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02:11:16 <immibis> i found some old cds, containing among other things Game Maker 4, Encarta 95 and Liberty BASIC 2.02 for Windows
02:19:33 <Gregor> Upload them to vetusware.com
02:19:40 <Gregor> (Assuming they're not already there)
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04:35:37 <Gregor> lawl MST3K. This movie is /so awful/. I swear it's just constantly on the brink of turning into porn.
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05:14:37 <Sgeo> Gregor, is that the one with the tubular boobular song?
05:15:13 <Gregor> Not ... yet?
05:15:28 <Gregor> It could be, it has songs.
05:15:56 <Gregor> It's "Untamed Youth"
05:17:08 <Sgeo> No, the movie with that is Outlaw
05:17:15 <Sgeo> http://mst3k.wikia.com/wiki/Tubular_Boobular_Joy
05:18:35 <coppro> let's just be clear
05:18:47 <coppro> you aren't expecting an MST3K movie to be /good/, are you?
05:19:21 <Gregor> Actually Moon Zero Two was pretty good. It was mostly just clearly dated.
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05:42:46 <Sgeo> Can someone please explain to me how heterogenous lists in a strongly-typed language can ever seem like a good idea?
05:44:50 <coppro> polymorphism
05:45:25 <coppro> if you mean truly heterogeneous, then no, that's never a good idea, regardless of how much Java and C# try to make you think it is
05:47:26 <Sgeo> I'm not thinking of Java and C#
05:47:35 <Sgeo> And I don't think polymorphism comes into this
05:47:45 <coppro> sure it does
05:47:52 <coppro> a vector<Base*> is a heterogeneous list
05:48:06 <coppro> if it is filled with Derived*, SuperDerived*, and OtherDerived*
05:48:10 <Sgeo> In LSL, there are no objects
05:48:27 <Sgeo> No base object to talk of
05:48:28 <coppro> LSL?
05:48:36 <Sgeo> The language used in Second Life
05:48:52 <Sgeo> Lists freely contain floats and strings etc. etc. etc.
05:48:56 <pikhq> Linden Scripting Language
05:49:03 <coppro> oh
05:49:07 <coppro> no, that's a horrible idea
05:49:15 <coppro> common in just about every scripting language ever
05:49:16 <Sgeo> And to get, say, the first element of a list (a_list) if it's a string: llList2String(a_list, 0)
05:49:17 <coppro> but always horrible
05:49:27 <coppro> (and most functional ones)
05:49:48 <pikhq> I prefer the Tcl solution.
05:49:52 <pikhq> List, what list?
05:49:55 <pikhq> You have strings.
05:50:03 <pikhq> That's about it.
05:50:12 <coppro> :/
05:50:28 <coppro> isn't that the language that stores an int form of every string just in case?
05:50:33 <pikhq> No.
05:50:51 <coppro> oh
05:50:53 <coppro> which is that, then
05:51:01 <pikhq> As an optimisation, it stores what the string was last used as.
05:51:25 <pikhq> So if you're doing a lot of arithmetic, it won't be thunking to and from an integer.
05:51:38 <Gregor> *boxing*
05:52:00 <coppro> ah
05:52:01 <pikhq> Erm. Right.
05:52:09 <pikhq> Sorry, I've been writing the word "thunk" a lot today. :P
05:52:23 <Gregor> Thunks thunking thunks thunk thunk thunk.
05:52:44 <pikhq> I've been doing lazy functional C.
05:52:48 <pikhq> It tends to thunk.
05:52:49 <Gregor> I nose.
05:53:01 <Sgeo> lazy functional C?
05:53:25 <pikhq> Yes.
05:53:33 <pikhq> The laziness is explicit!
05:54:04 <Sgeo> Linky?
05:54:41 <coppro> Sgeo: he wrote a horrible set of macros to make a sort-of lambda
05:58:04 <pikhq> http://sprunge.us/HOQR There's main.c ATM.
05:58:16 <pikhq> It doesn't work right.
05:58:44 <pikhq> And it's hacked-up beyond belief because I've been trying things.
06:15:07 <fizzie> Deewiant: Have you happened to notice this? http://zem.fi/g2/v/Mobile/20100128_001+crop.jpg.html
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10:26:09 <Deewiant> fizzie: Don't think so, no.
10:28:42 <fizzie> Deewiant: Well, now you have.
10:29:14 <Deewiant> Indeed. Amusing, that.
10:32:30 <fizzie> It reminds me a bit of that fake L4 poster (did you see that one?), except that this one is -- as far as I know -- officially sanctioned.
10:38:05 <Deewiant> I saw that one, yes.
10:40:54 <fizzie> Mathematicians are a bit... strange.
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14:31:50 <facsimile> By installing Brainfuck, you will be able to experience the power of Brainfuck???
14:32:12 <facsimile> wat's that from
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14:34:26 <zeotrope> its from the java installer
14:34:45 <zeotrope> facsimile: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2009/01/12.html
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15:18:43 <facsimile> http://arxiv.org/abs/0811.3171
15:18:50 <facsimile> Quantum algorithm for solving linear systems of equations
15:18:59 <facsimile> this is too hard I can't understand it
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16:55:10 * oerjan gets versioned by a frigging bot
16:56:03 <oerjan> how gregarious
16:56:19 <Gregor> :P
16:56:36 <oerjan> hm no +e flag?
16:57:53 <Gregor> ¿Qué es +e?
16:58:12 <oerjan> it used to be the flag showing that i was identified
16:58:19 <Gregor> Huh
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17:00:11 <oerjan> hm whois seems to show the account name last, although without a field name
17:00:50 <oerjan> but i cannot detect anything that tells whether the actual _nick_ i'm using is registered by me
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17:02:54 <oerjan> it seems i have to msg nickserv to find out
17:06:46 <oerjan> oh whois no longer censors our actual connected servers
17:16:38 <Ilari> Netsplits now look like: "Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: <list>" :-)
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18:10:25 <olsner> oerjan: leverpastej med rödbetor var ju gott ju
18:10:32 <olsner> men det är lite godare med gurka
18:10:45 <oerjan> lies!
18:11:03 <oerjan> well, the second part
18:11:05 <oklopol> what's rXdbetor
18:11:16 <oerjan> red beets
18:11:29 <oklopol> makes sense
18:11:43 <oklopol> that sounds like a really weird thing to eat
18:11:48 <oklopol> i wish i had some
18:12:25 <fizzie> Rad beats.
18:13:14 <oklopol> can't eat the beat.
18:18:00 <fizzie> It's a bit of a disadvantage that fungot only supports IP addresses, not hostnames; can't point it at the freenode rotation thing.
18:19:26 <oklopol> i'm sure your code is modular enough to allow for an easy modification
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18:24:35 <Ilari> And no support for "advanced" sockets API? :-)
18:25:21 <pikhq> Why am I suddenly failing to figure out how to generate a lazy list?
18:27:40 <fizzie> There' SCKE which has gethost
18:29:33 <Ilari> The most important additions in advanced sockets API are getnameinfo and getaddrinfo.
18:31:49 <fizzie> Yes, well, there's no generally recognized fingerprint for that yet.
18:36:24 <Ilari> That advanced sockets API was developed to support IPv6. getaddrinfo and getaddrinfo are independent of address family (unless program is requesting practicular address family).
18:40:31 <fizzie> I do know the functions.
18:41:23 <fizzie> AnMaster had some sort of NSCK "new-sockets" thing going on at some point.
18:43:26 <scarf> pikhq: in which language?
18:43:30 <scarf> it's nontrivial in BF, for instance
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18:55:16 <oerjan> no suck
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19:00:34 <pikhq> scarf: C.
19:00:47 <scarf> still not all that easy
19:01:13 <pikhq> It should be when I've already got lazy evaluation of everything else going.
19:02:05 <pikhq> It's not so much the "lazy list" bit that's the problem so much as it is the *corecursive* lazy list bit that's tricky.
19:04:32 <pikhq> I'm trying to create a lazy list out of stdin.
19:04:54 <pikhq> Currently, I'm managing to create a list with the first element being the first element of stdin, and the second element being segfault.
19:05:09 <pikhq> Which I shall call "_|_".
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19:46:16 <AnMaster> <fizzie> AnMaster had some sort of NSCK "new-sockets" thing going on at some point. <-- no one else seemed interested, however I probably have the draft around still
19:47:39 <AnMaster> I might start working on it (when I have time, a bit busy RL currently) if someone actually plan to use it for something. Would implement it in cfunge in that case. If that person then doesn't use it I would be rather annoyed ;P
19:48:28 <AnMaster> fizzie, anyway cfunge's SCKE uses getaddrinfo iirc
19:51:10 <fizzie> Yes, I guess there's no reason why not.
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19:56:04 <oerjan> otherwise it would sucketh
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20:03:00 <pikhq> In theory, I have a working implementation of the SK subset of Lazy K...
20:03:14 <pikhq> In practice, it segfaults on everything that's not equivalent to I.
20:03:19 <pikhq> I am... Rather confused.
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20:13:22 <pikhq> Even passing it cdr or car causes a halt.
20:14:34 <bsmntbombdood> t-t-t-tree
20:15:44 <soupdragon> hi bsmntbombdood :)
20:15:59 <bsmntbombdood> ohai fax
20:16:12 <oklopol> party!
20:17:07 <whtspc> whooooo!
20:17:49 <oklopol> are you the guy who was doing whitespace yesterday
20:17:51 <oklopol> or whateverday
20:18:48 <oerjan> no way
20:18:55 <oerjan> whtspc has been here for ages
20:19:00 <oerjan> the silent type though
20:19:23 <oklopol> hmm, possibly
20:19:33 <oklopol> i almost never look at userlist
20:19:50 <pikhq> http://sprunge.us/KgMJ
20:19:55 <pikhq> Anything obviously wrong there?
20:20:21 <oklopol> apart from all the obvious evil?
20:20:34 <pikhq> Apart from the obvious evil.
20:21:06 <Sgeo> The latent evil!
20:21:13 <Sgeo> </silly>
20:21:22 <soupdragon> what's the obvious evil :(
20:21:44 <oklopol> soupdragon: we like to call sexy things like that mad or evil here, on occasion.
20:21:46 <FireFly> Oh, comments
20:21:57 <oklopol> really those three adjectives are synonyms.
20:22:01 * soupdragon lol you use while(n --> 0)
20:22:09 <FireFly> I thought "what the heck, what's that '→' doing in C source?"
20:22:58 <mycroftiv> gotta love the "goes to" operator
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20:30:19 <oklopol> what if you had a distance function that measures how similar two programs are, and then made limit(n --> 0) { ... } a statement; it executes a piece of code such that for each epsilon there is a delta such that when n is smaller than delta, the distance between what was executed in the limit and what the code does given that n is smaller than the epsilon
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20:32:07 <oklopol> well why make it a metric space, i guess you could just give it some natural topology
20:33:36 <oklopol> why did someone show me the attempt to make brainfuck into a group
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20:36:20 <Ilari> Was it commutative? Simple? :-)
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20:39:13 <oklopol> i think it was a rather failed attempt, so hard to say
20:40:55 <MigoMipo> http://michid.wordpress.com/2010/01/29/scala-type-level-encoding-of-the-ski-calculus/ A quite interesting implementation of SKI =D
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21:10:07 * Sgeo wonders if there's a way to make XChat automatically ghost Sgeo
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21:10:23 <Sgeo> -NickServ- You may not ghost yourself.
21:10:57 <oerjan> nickserv does not believe in suicide
21:11:51 <pikhq> So, no bloody clue where that bug is, then. :/
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21:17:40 <Ilari> Fun, something caused keyboard to only respond to X- and WM-level keys...
21:18:21 <oerjan> remarkable how you manage to type with that
21:18:35 <Ilari> Switching to text VC and back fixed it.
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22:48:31 <Sgeo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Perl
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22:53:55 <bsmntbombdood> Sgeo: old
22:54:06 <bsmntbombdood> 20 years, in fact :P
22:54:08 <soupdragon> bsmntbombdood: bomb
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23:00:52 <AnMaster> <fizzie> Yes, I guess there's no reason why not. <-- "no reason to not use NSCK" or "no reason to not use getaddrinfo for SCKE"?
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23:01:45 <AnMaster> fizzie, as for why I'm using getaddrinfo instead of other apis, iirc I read in POSIX 2008 or something about the other ones being (or going to be) deprecated
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