< 1265933404 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1265934049 0 :nooga!~nooga@sc82.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1265934054 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1265934068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1265934165 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm eriting regexp compiler :D < 1265934169 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing* < 1265934253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1265934258 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1265934319 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine that you can compile custom grep-like program for matching massive amounts of data against specified regexp < 1265934402 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPU will directly execute the automaton < 1265934585 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1265934590 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1265934643 0 :cheater!~cheater@62.176.155.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1265934773 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever i write something bigger in C i do this funny thing: first i implement crude lisp and then i use it to write the main thing < 1265934776 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1265934804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun's_Tenth_Rule < 1265934840 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1265934888 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fall into that < 1265934908 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I learn Lisp? < 1265934911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, which? < 1265934922 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP < 1265934949 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, which dialect? < 1265934956 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not about to go around buying books < 1265934959 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SICP < 1265935000 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: oh the mighty oracle, what's the ultimate answer to life, the universe, and everything? < 1265935001 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to use Scheme < 1265935016 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he told me STFU < 1265935020 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1265935044 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: short answer: get PLT scheme and never worry about this again. < 1265935118 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nooga.pl/ < 1265935119 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1265935138 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a f*#(@)&# perl script < 1265935139 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, which should I focus on learning: Haskell or Scheme? < 1265935144 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Haskell < 1265935159 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Scheme < 1265935161 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hascheml < 1265935168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn each of them until you can implement them in each other! < 1265935179 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme first, because it's easier < 1265935188 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and knowing scheme will help you learn haskell < 1265935201 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Haskell, because it's awesome < 1265935214 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I understand Haskell somewhat at this point < 1265935216 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is scheme < 1265935219 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Haskell is awesome, so if you start with Haskell you might never get to Scheme < 1265935224 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if knowing Scheme will help any more < 1265935240 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know haskell and scheme, and I know that there's much more to learn from both of them < 1265935240 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1265935258 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Haskell - TICK, Scheme - TICK, next? < 1265935269 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SADOL < 1265935270 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D:D:D:D:D: < 1265935718 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were select one to use as my main language from now on, which should it be? < 1265935766 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no main language < 1265935779 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you choose one you chose wrong < 1265935825 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use C (C99) and Ruby < 1265935844 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C fror speed and Ruby for expression < 1265936314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Haskell. < 1265936325 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Haskell < 1265936665 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did nooga turn into a parrot? < 1265936820 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1265936992 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parrot parrot < 1265937009 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: quine < 1265937262 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1265937637 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265937647 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION seems to be back in the SG-1 addict groove
< 1265938035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get stepped on < 1265940290 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1265940485 0 :lament!~lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265941466 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1265942094 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/ydgebt/pvctrombone.ogg < 1265942234 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails to refrain from commenting
< 1265942260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, the PVC trombone. < 1265942298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails to refrain from responding to Sgeo's commenting
< 1265942653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that there are a lot of freaking characters in Japanese
< 1265942738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does a japanese character freak, exactly? < 1265942803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: To get the general sense of that statement, s/freak/fuck/ < 1265942871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes i've heard that japanese are very inventive in that department < 1265942967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1265943100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literacy is a nontrivial affair. < 1265943226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :triviality is a literal affair < 1265943245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thou art full of pithy sayings. < 1265944555 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1265946523 0 :augur_!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265946649 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1265946863 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I not able to focus on my [classified] project? < 1265946987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have lost your clearance, but of course this fact is secret so they cannot tell you. instead they use the mind control satellites to disorient you. < 1265947150 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the government classifying it < 1265947158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some company that's giving us the resources < 1265947168 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not like I signed a contract to keep anything secret < 1265947170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you didn't think the _government_ is in control, did you? < 1265947206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you didn't sign a contract, they don't want that kind of evidence lying around < 1265947307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The project was in existance for some time before it became classified. < 1265947316 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I told a lot of people a lot of details < 1265947323 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is what they _want_ you to think < 1265947371 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, someone did seem to forget everything after it became classified... < 1265947918 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1265949272 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1265949280 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1265949317 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1265949334 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1265949864 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1265950180 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1265951342 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265951466 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1265952549 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1265953957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1265953997 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1265954569 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1265954637 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1265956113 0 :augur_!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265956158 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1265956161 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1265957027 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1265957155 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1265958197 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1265958333 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-14-29.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265958885 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I will do anything (almost) for a new router. < 1265959553 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1265961031 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1265961599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1265961600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1265965189 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.org <- Nobody cares enough to cybersquat it < 1265965217 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1265965372 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1265965734 0 :scarf!~scarf@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1265965950 0 :Pthing!~pthing@cpc11-pres4-0-0-cust168.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1265979805 0 :Asztal!~asztal@host86-155-77-3.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1265980365 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1265980461 0 :MissPiggy!~quantum@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1265982127 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265982253 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1265982281 0 :cheater!~cheater@213.221.89.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1265982712 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1265985104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : More precisely, it would demand that wormhole ("level 1 wormhole") that has one end in normal space, also has the other end in normal space, wormhole ("level 2 wormhole) that has one end in level 1 wormhole interror space has the other end also, etc... <- would be sad missing out on the possibility of mixed level ones < 1265985365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: Oh, the PVC trombone. <-- PVC trombone? Is that actually what it sounds like it would be? (can't listen to the music atm, no headphones around, and I'm on the train) < 1265985390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when wgetting the url times out < 1265985411 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reuploaded to http://codu.org/tmp/pvctrombone.ogg because filebin was being useless. < 1265985426 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is that actually what it sounds like it would be?" If it sounds like it would be a trombone made of PVC pipe, then yes. < 1265985445 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could look something like this: http://codu.org/pics/main.php?cmd=imageview&var1=Assorted%2FPVCTrombone3.jpg < 1265985505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I didn't imagine quite that look < 1265985531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how do you tune it? < 1265985555 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a trombone, it has a slide. < 1265985565 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/pics/main.php?cmd=imageview&var1=Assorted%2FPVCTrombone4.jpg Here it is fully extended. < 1265985577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you decide the notes on it. I don't see where you drag it out or whatever it is you do < 1265985626 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You play it like a trombone is how :P < 1265985641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes it is extended there < 1265985647 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this lag is horrible. I blame GSM for it < 1265985651 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit in the bottom left is the mouthpiece, the pipe in the front is just a handle. < 1265985657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm tethering my phone atm) < 1265985668 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet :P < 1265985689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the pipe that goes up and isn't connected? < 1265985695 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so it seems < 1265985703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a T-ish shape at the end < 1265985730 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the handle < 1265985733 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, your lag is really bad :P < 1265985737 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like two minutes. < 1265985747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The bit in the bottom left is the mouthpiece, the pipe in the front is just a handle. < 1265985749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what is the pipe that goes up and isn't connected? < 1265985752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 2 second diff < 1265985756 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that order < 1265985760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it seems better < 1265985771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the mobile indicates it is suddenly on 3G < 1265985774 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1265985774 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I said that a minute ago :P < 1265985785 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said what a minute ago? < 1265985791 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The bit in the bottom left is the mouthpiece, the pipe in the front is just a handle. < 1265985796 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1265985802 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were two seconds off for you, but a lot more than that for me :P < 1265985805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the lag seems close to none to my bouncer now < 1265985809 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it does seem to be better now. < 1265985812 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though < 1265985817 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1265985841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a train, it is moving. Would jump between different areas with different connectivity < 1265985909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw: the good thing with living close to a railway station is that that it is close to the station. The bad thing with living close to a railway station is that it is close to the railway station < 1265985959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ^ < 1265985983 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1265986013 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, today's xkcd is bad, even for xkcd. < 1265986047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw it earlier yeah < 1265986048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible < 1265987183 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265987771 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1265987798 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1265989373 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1265990287 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-7-134.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265991093 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1265991109 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265991124 0 :cheater!~cheater@62.176.155.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1265993944 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1265994213 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1265994312 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1265994580 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1265996548 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265997186 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1265997704 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1265997882 0 :augur!~augur@c-76-114-212-110.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265997887 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265998405 0 :MigoMipo!~MigoMipo@84-217-7-134.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265998532 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1265998574 0 :augur!~augur@c-76-114-212-110.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1265998862 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1265999722 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do most reversible esolangs handle interactive I/O? (If at all?) < 1265999752 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they force the user to untype the input and to forget the output < 1265999769 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1265999772 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: my reversible brainfuck treats it as a side-effect outside the world < 1265999794 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: that' EULA, huh? < 1265999798 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, state of the realWorld is irrelevant in what's reversible, all that matters is that the effect on the tape is reversible < 1265999820 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was supposed to be a "s in the" in that sentence) < 1265999928 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather, which is reversiblible, is going to have some sort of I/O-equivalence thing in which unproducing then reproducing output is a NOP, but producing different output tries to erase the output produced so far and produce different output < 1265999932 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some similar trick for input < 1265999949 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's way down the line, I have enough problems trying to prevent infinite recursion in the first place < 1265999988 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: OK. I'm thinking of adding interative I/O to Burro 2, is all, and was wondering. < 1266000021 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a standard method < 1266000048 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not hard, because it can just delay all I/O operations until the end of the current iteration. If there was an "un-I/O" operation before the iteration ends, well, it doesn't happen. < 1266000171 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you branch conditionally on input, then uninput? < 1266000352 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbranch (on the same condition) and re-input, and ultimately re-uninput again? I'm more worried now what uninput without a corresponding input means. < 1266000354 0 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1266000398 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you can only branch conditionally on input if the input was from the previous loop iteration. So no problem there, I think. < 1266000418 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the start of the loop, you have no idea where your tape values came from anyway. < 1266000575 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An uninput without input can just increment a counter saying "Ignore the next n input operations" < 1266001157 0 :boily!~boily@132.203.170.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266001352 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FIreFly < 1266001355 0 :FIreFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1266001625 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, there? < 1266001635 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but tired and not really concentrating < 1266001635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, iirc you are on karmic? no? < 1266001640 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I am < 1266001646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, is it reasonably usable/stable yet? < 1266001652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ext4 bug was recently closed < 1266001662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be time to migrate unless there are other huge issues < 1266001672 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mostly: the main issue for me is that pulseaudio's ALSA emulation is buggy < 1266001682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, alsa emulation? < 1266001685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what happened here < 1266001691 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally it works, but occasionally it causes processes that use it to consume 100% CPU and be unkillable except with -9 < 1266001696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it using alsa!? < 1266001701 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet emulating alsa? < 1266001709 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's using pulse, which emulates alsa for programs that aren't written against pulse < 1266001712 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is almost everything < 1266001718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, but the kernel uses alsa? < 1266001722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, brb phone < 1266001836 0 :boily!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266001907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1266001919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, did you have that problem in jaunty? < 1266001935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, how many are having the issue (I assume that there is a relevant bug report about this issue?) < 1266001952 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I haven't reported it yet, I must get around to that sometime < 1266001959 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's becoming harder to reproduce as time goes on < 1266001972 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it's always been intermittent, but it seems to happen a lower and lower proportion of the time < 1266001979 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so true < 1266001989 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :birth rates go down all over the developed world < 1266001992 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, huh < 1266002006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, how is that related to alsa? < 1266002017 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's becoming harder to reproduce as time goes on < 1266002022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hah < 1266002039 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHEER IS EHARD < 1266002075 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, kipple was last seen 1159 days ago? I'm relatively sure I remember being in here at the same time as them once < 1266002077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, funny, my karmic VM just complained that the virtualbox network was using a .local domain < 1266002083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying it broke avhi < 1266002089 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how long does that mean I've been here? < 1266002128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :RIP sun.com | 0 days since last topic change | 5 days since last alise sighting | 7 days since last ehird sighting | 17 days since last calamari sighting | 206 days since ast graue sighting | 1160 days since last kipple sighting | 2226 days since last sleon|tuX sighting | 2583 days since last hcf sighting | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1266002252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like how the only possible value for the first one is < 1266002254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 0* < 1266002271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible *valid* value. < 1266002272 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266002273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266002277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well yes < 1266002279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was given < 1266002285 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't realised that until you pointed it out, how beautifully esoteric < 1266002304 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, also then I should point out that it was I that added that bit first < 1266002355 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of the file-accessed timestamp on Windows < 1266002371 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, at least if you try to view it the usual way (via right-click | properties), involves accessing the file < 1266002473 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? really? < 1266002558 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1266002564 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just get the current time < 1266002611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia article on the "TLD" .local: "Despite not being a valid top-level domain in the Internet, considerable DNS traffic exists, querying the local domain in the public Domain Name System.[1] In June 2009, the L root server received more than 400 such queries per second,[2] ranking 4th in DNS traffic of all TLDs behind COM, ARPA, and NET." < 1266002623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's .... weird < 1266002700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some really buggy DNS servers out there, apparently. < 1266003027 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stats.l.root-servers.org/cgi-bin/dsc-grapher.pl?window=604800&plot=qtype_vs_all_tld&server=L-root&key=255 < 1266003032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf too < 1266003044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.dnsbl? < 1266003055 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's badly misconfigured < 1266003082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stats.l.root-servers.org/cgi-bin/dsc-grapher.pl?window=604800&plot=qtype_vs_all_tld&server=L-root&key=38 <-- and A6 queries still too < 1266003120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.lan also shows up on the PTR query graph < 1266003129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .linksys and what not < 1266003138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stats.l.root-servers.org/cgi-bin/dsc-grapher.pl?window=604800&plot=qtype_vs_all_tld&server=L-root&key=12 < 1266003166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I wonder tld .belkin is... < 1266003185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh there are A queries for the tld .invalid < 1266003190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stats.l.root-servers.org/cgi-bin/dsc-grapher.pl?window=604800&plot=qtype_vs_all_tld&server=L-root&key=1 < 1266003836 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1266003873 0 :casmith789!~chris@cpc2-king8-0-0-cust831.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266003899 0 :casmith789!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266004389 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Y29tJw==? That's base64 for "com'" and Y2FcIA==, which seems to be "ca\ "... < 1266004434 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is Base64 for "org/" as well. < 1266004447 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 'ecuador'? < 1266004467 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1266005071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, and .html... < 1266005073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266005075 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.html < 1266005097 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,home is funny too < 1266005102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.home* < 1266005112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, the main stats are at http://stats.l.root-servers.org/cgi-bin/dsc-grapher.pl?window=604800&plot=qtype_vs_all_tld&server=L-root < 1266005135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay the NS graph is funny too < 1266005644 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266007056 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And A6 records? Who uses them? < 1266007168 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought A6 was obsoleted by AAAA ("Quad-A") records. < 1266007265 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.249.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266007270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is Dispatch 2. < 1266007280 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are here < 1266007282 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1266007288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am that. < 1266007308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :RIP sun.com | 0 days since last topic change | 0 days since last alise sighting | 7 days since last ehird sighting | 17 days since last calamari sighting | 206 days since ast graue sighting | 1160 days since last kipple sighting | 2226 days since last sleon|tuX sighting | 2583 days since last hcf sighting | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1266007309 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise lol I tried to code my expression problem in agda and got bored because it turned out hard < 1266007336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1266007345 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi alise! < 1266007349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1266007350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1266007372 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like our topic < 1266007376 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was supposed to remind you of something, but I forgot. On a completely unrelated note, I believe graphs of light can be utilized to facilitate the relocation of certain sentient objects. < 1266007381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hi, scarf. < 1266007382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Any new suck? < 1266007388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not see you last weekend; did you receive my email? < 1266007406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That something was "Get passport photo". < 1266007412 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I know. < 1266007418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the "unrelated note" < 1266007435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahah. < 1266007436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawl. < 1266007448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: I am ehird, by the way. < 1266007452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by the < 1266007458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back to studying Japanese. Whoo. < 1266007465 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ah, and I did get your email < 1266007470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good... < 1266007474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Well. I'm being lazy on it today. XD < 1266007475 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure if you were someone I already knew, or not < 1266007487 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have your whole IP memorised, and you've replaced your whois < 1266007505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye... < 1266007509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I thought A6 was obsoleted by AAAA ("Quad-A") records. <-- correct < 1266007512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you know, then, of the situation. < 1266007512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still used it seems < 1266007519 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: trying to fly under the radar? or just fancying a change of name? < 1266007545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just fancied it. Why shouldn't I be allowed to confuse people as to my gender! < 1266007560 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I manage that pretty effectively when I'm trying to hide it < 1266007571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mother saw a practitioner of law (what, they could be googling) a few days ago. Apparently at first glance their chances of sectioning me are somewhere in the vicinity of nil, but that's not an Official Legal Opinion for a while. < 1266007580 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you can get a whole channel apologising to you on the assumption that you're actually female and they've just offended you < 1266007602 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I actually started approaching this from a nomic angle < 1266007605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: oh, but "alise" is rather overtly feminine and I've been using female pronouns for no particular reason other than havoc, confusion and finally wrecking the English language's gender-pronoun system once and for all < 1266007611 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I love it < 1266007616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: also, that's hardly surprising. you do that to everything :P < 1266007622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: They can, however, make life hell for you. < 1266007632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not if I don't a-t-t to the e-n-d. < 1266007634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See now. < 1266007643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes indeed, AT&T should be a temporary fixture, not an everlasting thing! < 1266007643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-t-t? < 1266007647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say to all the googlers. Cough. < 1266007652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Concatenate, sir! Concatenate. < 1266007660 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1266007687 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depriving people of internet access was ruled to be a human rights violation in France, by the way < 1266007695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas. If they're just bluffing, then yes, there's jack they can do if you deny them such things. < 1266007722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: that's great. I'll just relocate to France and then put myself in the same situation again :) < 1266007743 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, not quite useful enough, I was hoping it would be an EU-wide precedent < 1266007792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I would technically be allowed to the internet, were I to bring my own laptop (although they have no Wi-Fi it could be plugged into Ethernet) or my own 3G connection, but if the former it would be censored, and either way one of the nurses would have to be in the room, monitoring it. < 1266007814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So even if it was EU-wide they'd be obeying the letter and flagellating the spirit to death. < 1266007827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor precedent-ghasts. < 1266007841 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, having a human there defeats all the usual methods of defeating filters < 1266007855 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not directly, but in a soft-security sort of way < 1266007858 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so I guess you can move abroad? < 1266007871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could do that even if they could section me. < 1266007874 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's any way to evade filters steganographically < 1266007878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I move abroad, the UK government cannot touch me. < 1266007889 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being mentally ill isn't even illegal... < 1266007897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not obeying a sectioning is. < 1266007901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is their threat. < 1266007901 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1266007905 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, nice loophole there < 1266007911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delivered to me, clearly, personally: attend, or you will be sectioned. < 1266007929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there are two options: put them in a position where they cannot section me - i.e. move; or discover that they cannot section me. < 1266007931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, why not move abroad next weekend or so? < 1266007945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, that sounds lovely and easy. < 1266007961 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can't just randomly decide to go abroad permanently, especially given alise's likely resources < 1266007963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not being in the Schengen zone, he needs a passport. < 1266007974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Moving is one of the options being pursued, though. < 1266007986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We moved into Ovington recently, so we have little ties to the location. < 1266007998 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: there's always the third option, of getting the media involved < 1266008001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: He's a European citizen. Makes it easy. < 1266008014 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an incredibly risky operation for all sides of the argument, though < 1266008020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: I have considered and rejected that because of the risk. < 1266008024 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1266008036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: My mother is mentally ill (what it is I will not say, at least in public) and this stemmed from her being treated for that. < 1266008051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want the press on your side - at least the press that makes any difference, i.e. the awful press - you need to be spotless. < 1266008053 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I don't want to know the details < 1266008062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that's almost certainly going to fail. < 1266008064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't want publicity. < 1266008069 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's a great characterisation of the media < 1266008074 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*characterization < 1266008074 0 :tcsavage!~tomcsavag@host86-133-195-53.range86-133.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266008082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Are you not British?! < 1266008085 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reason I correct that is not because of some stupid spelling ridiculousness < 1266008086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a tcsavage? < 1266008091 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you turing complete? < 1266008106 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because I've been writing in Java recently, and have a huge number of method names ending -ize and class names ending -izer < 1266008109 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not Turing complete < 1266008113 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wanted to standardise on one spelling < 1266008120 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love < 1266008122 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the one that the library already used < 1266008143 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, there are arguments that -ize is correct in British English too, and that -ise is a neologism < 1266008153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind what English you use. < 1266008159 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I talk in a strange mix of British and American English on the Internet < 1266008160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Omit Us, go ahead. < 1266008163 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and occasionally Perl < 1266008165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't really matter. < 1266008187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put in the Us and mostly use -ise because I was brought up that way, but it doesn't really bother me at all either way. < 1266008207 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gray" vs. "grey" is another good one < 1266008210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: Not being in the Schengen zone, he needs a passport. <-- err, isn't that basically EU? < 1266008218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you say that UK isn't part of it? < 1266008218 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: minus UK < 1266008218 0 :tcsavage!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't know < 1266008223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, why on earth < 1266008227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: plus some other stuff < 1266008230 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a passport to leave the UK by plane, at least < 1266008232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because the UK is a major international player < 1266008234 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Ireland too < 1266008235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we like keeping our distance from the EU < 1266008236 0 :tcsavage!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are humans turing complete? < 1266008241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcsavage: no infinite memory. < 1266008243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1266008244 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could catch a ferry to Northern Island, then walk across the border < 1266008250 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love <-- brilliant < 1266008251 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Northern Ireland < 1266008254 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did I manage that? < 1266008261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But it is convenient, because of the rights we get. < 1266008271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we can get a residence in any EU country, we're allowed there. < 1266008271 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love < 1266008278 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, what's the syntax? < 1266008278 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1266008280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just have to go up to them and say, yo, we're here, and that's pretty much it. < 1266008282 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`qdb I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love < 1266008283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: addquote < 1266008283 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1266008288 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love < 1266008289 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128| I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love < 1266008293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Reversi/Othello is a really nice game. < 1266008297 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266008300 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have a quote database here? < 1266008302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the other way doesn't work? < 1266008310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ? < 1266008315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: HackEgo's, aye. < 1266008317 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more fun, EU-internal flights you get to avoid customs < 1266008320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Sgeo maintains a text version. < 1266008321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just: < 1266008321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1266008322 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128| I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love < 1266008328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: yar < 1266008335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the schengen agreement is sweet < 1266008342 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if I can find it < 1266008353 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!swedish I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love < 1266008357 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cun du iferytheeng a Tooreeng mecheene-a cun du, ixcept lufe-a < 1266008360 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swedish I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love < 1266008362 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cun du iferytheeng a Tooreeng mecheene-a cun du, ixcept lufe-a < 1266008366 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swedish I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love. < 1266008367 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cun du iferytheeng a Tooreeng mecheene-a cun du, ixcept lufe-a. \ Bork Bork Bork! < 1266008371 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that algorithm deterministic? < 1266008373 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bork bork bork! :D < 1266008375 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, apparently not < 1266008383 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://209.20.80.194/sgeo/quotes.txt < 1266008389 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bork is trigerred by the dot, scarf < 1266008397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1| I've always wanted to kill someone. >.> < 1266008397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2| I used computational linguistics to kill her. < 1266008400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A story in two quotes. < 1266008417 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, does anyone happen to know of a bz2 implementation in Java that's licenced under a non-insane open source licence (i.e. GPL2 or GPL3 compatible)? < 1266008426 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is no, but it can't hurt to ask < 1266008429 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/7222508/Palestinians-dressed-as-the-Navi-from-the-film-Avatar-stage-a-protest-against-Israels-separation-barrier.html < 1266008437 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you're wondering why, I'm writing the most overengineered ttyrec player ever) < 1266008445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, moving I mean < 1266008456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Moving will work, it's just not as simple as you think. < 1266008457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as in, an European can come to UK and settle down < 1266008461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1266008462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1266008466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It updates every 30min or so < 1266008475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, really? It should work both ways to be fair < 1266008475 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: IIRC, yes but they don't get benefits, etc, unless they get a job < 1266008481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: well, yes < 1266008489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK basically gets what they want from the EU and ignores the rest, whatever the tabloids say < 1266008493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: politics isn't. < 1266008502 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the UK came off /incredibly/ well from the recent EU treaties < 1266008502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the UK is powerful enough to do it < 1266008519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"125th Barbie: Computer Engineer Barbie" < 1266008521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1266008525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY AM I SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS? < 1266008527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESSSSSSSSSSSSS < 1266008532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Interwebs, voting, etc.) < 1266008534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (if you're wondering why, I'm writing the most overengineered ttyrec player ever) <-- why not use JNI? < 1266008537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever it is called < 1266008541 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, my todo list is still on pastebin.ca http://pastebin.ca/1794648 < 1266008542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.barbiemedia.com/admin/uploads/ComputerEngineerBarbie.pdf < 1266008542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use the native library < 1266008548 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1266008557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: do you realise that the kind of people who use ttyrec won't use a Java program? :P < 1266008558 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: since when did all platforms that support Java have a ttyrec library installed by default? < 1266008570 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, bz2 library I meant.... < 1266008573 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: empirical evidence contradicts your statement < 1266008574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not ttyrec one < 1266008576 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: *bz2 < 1266008581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Sample size? < 1266008585 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: about 4, tbh < 1266008595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1266008595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Running the .jar is sort-of awkward in many OSes, including mine. Is there a way to get it working like a program < 1266008595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1266008595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : written in some other language? .jnlp is nice for evaluation, but doesn't leave the program installed. < 1266008600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this is where Java starts giving you hell < 1266008603 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1266008606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's possible, but you'll hate life < 1266008613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you'll give up on Java at some point < 1266008621 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is .jnlp? < 1266008626 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my solution is to write the program as a jnlp | javac | gcj polyglot < 1266008633 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Java Network Launch Protocol, used by Java Web Start < 1266008637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :àh < 1266008639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah* < 1266008646 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was a computer engineer < 1266008647 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should be doing homework nowish
< 1266008648 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, Sun decided that the standard method of packaging Java programs came free with automatic updates < 1266008651 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't wear that dress < 1266008656 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have a linux shirt < 1266008659 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is just too much < 1266008664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, what dress? < 1266008669 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.barbiemedia.com/admin/uploads/ComputerEngineerBarbie.pdf < 1266008672 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why people should have to trust me in particular to run a program I write, they should just have to trust its source code < 1266008682 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, in practice the two are pretty much identical, but I'm too idealistic to admit that < 1266008692 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, wth < 1266008697 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1266008698 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1266008702 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, alise linked to it < 1266008705 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1266008707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1266008713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very wth < 1266008730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: you should package it as a .jar < 1266008744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what, is it *wrong* to promote computer engineering now? :) < 1266008744 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's what I'm doing atm < 1266008749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barbie does every other career, you know < 1266008753 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm working to remove library dependencies atm < 1266008757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: you write a shell script to find where you are and java -jar it < 1266008761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with -classpath containing all your dependencies < 1266008762 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because I'm hardly using any features of it < 1266008769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(have /usr/lib/somethingplay/(stuff)) < 1266008779 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea's to have no dependencies outside the jar itself; this isn't deliberate, it just kind-of happened < 1266008795 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a nice side-note, by default netbeans links in lgpl libraries to your project, but doesn't include their sources < 1266008807 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning it's illegal to distribute the resulting program without chasing their source < 1266008811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, just that is so unrealistic. I mean, there are female CS students at the university I'm at. One of them wore an ubuntu jacket today I noticed. < 1266008824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barbie, UNREALISTIC?! < 1266008828 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and very definitely not *pink* < 1266008842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are girl-chic computer scientists < 1266008843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK, FIND ONE < 1266008854 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I mean, it is too pink. That is promoting gender differences or something. < 1266008860 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise : Lady Ada Lovelace < 1266008865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, haha < 1266008876 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://membres.multimania.fr/bewulf/Russell/2003-06-Ada_Lovelace.jpg < 1266008879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I think any feminist would agree that women have the right to wear whatever the hell they like :P < 1266008879 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't be classier < 1266008888 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to QI, which is a UK quiz show based around questions where the obvious answer is false, traditionally blue was for girls and pink for boys, but it swapped somewhere in history < 1266008890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovelace was sweet. < 1266008941 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She has Leia hair < 1266008970 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen an actual photo of her < 1266008982 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was in her cancer period so she doesn't look that pretty < 1266008993 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know she had cancer < 1266008994 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1266009016 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She died quite young < 1266009019 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like in her 40's < 1266009056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: I love QI. < 1266009067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17:00 Haskell is a language that curries functions < 1266009068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17:09 Haskell is named for Haskell Curry < 1266009068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17:15 currying is named for Haskell Curry < 1266009072 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love QI more if it were easier for me to watch < 1266009074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well they named it Haskell because of Haskell Curry, obviously < 1266009077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Piracy?? < 1266009079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Piracy? < 1266009087 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, preferably no BitTorrent < 1266009093 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, one thing that worries me a lot; the more I use Java, the more I discover similarities to Haskell in it < 1266009096 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1266009099 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YouTube if possible < 1266009099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Maybe it is because the TAVSYS file stores string using Baudot?)" --zzo38 < 1266009106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: man up and bittorrent < 1266009109 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They named it Hakell after Eddie Haskell from Leave it to Beaver! < 1266009109 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/BigPictures/Lovelace_3.jpeg < 1266009113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: OH < 1266009114 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daguerotype picture :o < 1266009117 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's because without using it, you couldn't possibly imagine the languages were remotely similar < 1266009123 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always under the impression that I'll get caught if I BitTorrent < 1266009125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: I'd curry her function. < 1266009127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: MAN < 1266009128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UP < 1266009129 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might have even named it Haskell for that reason < 1266009141 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, teaching Java's my day job, so I may as well get at least half-decent at it < 1266009225 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: And what has Java learned so far from you? < 1266009236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1266009247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I did *not* come back from that place to experience puns as bad. < 1266009250 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: /me thinks < 1266009289 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was a pun? < 1266009291 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I blame oerjan and lament for setting the atmosphere < 1266009294 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just got it < 1266009297 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION continues thinking
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ACTION stops thinking
< 1266009331 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have that programmery-thing anymore < 1266009337 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where you actually write programs < 1266009395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: I sort of do, but it's constantly plagued with "this would be so much better in /my/ language". < 1266009402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect it to pick up again soon. < 1266009422 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a C++ class. I'm dealing with C# recently. < 1266009430 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I'm looking into Haskell again < 1266009436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That feeling is pretty much a constant < 1266009455 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm getting pretty good at just language-hopping, recently < 1266009475 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the benefit of working on esolangs so much is that when you get the impulse "this would be so much better in feather", you can just ignore it < 1266009557 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: I think any feminist would agree that women have the right to wear whatever the hell they like :P <-- true < 1266009558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1266009588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, my point was that barbie in general seems... overly pink. Not a varied selection there. < 1266009592 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: men too? < 1266009622 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, hm? Is this some reference to skin colour of Europeans? < 1266009632 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1266009633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.x < 1266009640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: because little girls tend to like pink. Call it society or inherent, or whatever you want. < 1266009643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 's true. < 1266009644 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, would any feminist agree that men have the right to wear whatever the hell they like? < 1266009667 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not < 1266009670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes, and I think society encourages it. At least it doesn't seem to try to be neutral about it < 1266009681 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, I have no idea. Ask alise. < 1266009687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess so < 1266009698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not any feminist but all the sane ones. < 1266009704 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1266009708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sane feminism nowadays is an alias for someone who supports equality. < 1266009712 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1266009718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you go further you get, well, S.C.U.M. Manifesto. < 1266009737 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm not familiar with that < 1266009740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto < 1266009742 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1266009749 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn you, for once you provide a link! < 1266009758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love you too. < 1266009893 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1266009907 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|^^^^^^^^^^^\||_____ < 1266009907 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| STFU |||""'|"""\___ O < 1266009907 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ______________|||___|__|__|) -|- (@)@)""""""**|(@)(@)**|(@) / \ < 1266009994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1266009996 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1266010011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't even line up in monospace... < 1266010015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anwhere < 1266010017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywhere* < 1266010020 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it lines up in proportional to start with < 1266010024 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but messes up towards the end < 1266010040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, eh? well the first | lines up yes < 1266010044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the rest makes no sense < 1266010045 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once saw a massively complex table designed to line up in proportional that used ` and ' for spacing < 1266010053 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, wtf < 1266010054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1266010062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would only work for a given font < 1266010074 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, but most of them have approximately similar metrics < 1266010077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, and what was the context of that table? < 1266010085 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it was in a forum post on GameFAQs < 1266010126 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, approx similar metrics sure, but small differences would result in large differences near the end of the line < 1266010143 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they would basically add up in the long run < 1266010145 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, the font size was very small < 1266010156 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sufficiently so that ' was one pixel plus one pixel of spacing < 1266010163 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ` was two pixels plus one pixel of spacing < 1266010171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then was the actual text in that table readable? < 1266010188 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266010198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different font size? < 1266010202 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was back in the days before antialiasing was common, and where pixels were large enough to be visible < 1266010208 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266010219 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same font size, a typical capital letter was maybe five or six pixels wide < 1266010223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was just going to suggest getting a high dpi monitor ;P < 1266010240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, iirc gamefaqs uses monospaces < 1266010250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Forum post". < 1266010253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it did yesterday when I checked some walkthrough for a game I was stuck in < 1266010253 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: for the FAQs; not in the forum posts though < 1266010255 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh right < 1266010258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual GameFAQs thingies are just text files. < 1266010261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a forum? < 1266010263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1266010263 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1266010276 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sometimes more informative than the FAQs themselves < 1266010277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw I think it was paper mario for n64) < 1266010284 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's moderated by different people < 1266010294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GameFAQs' forums are interesting, mostly because of LUE lore < 1266010295 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people post rejected FAQs to the forums, and if the mods there like them they get stickied < 1266010299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i've ever read them < 1266010301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, LUE? < 1266010303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just articles *about* them < 1266010307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's COMPLICATED! < 1266010318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sure, but what does it mean? < 1266010324 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have two independent sources of FAQs on the same website < 1266010328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, that is also complicated. < 1266010330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1266010348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1266010351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1266010353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, uh, it's a board or was a board or something on GameFAQs. < 1266010358 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1266010374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life, the Universe, and Everything, and basically you had to have a lot of ... RPG-esque stats to get in there, basically. And then it sprung off into tons of other thing and glorious drama blah blah. < 1266010377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that interesting, I guess. < 1266010398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1266010438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does almost every nintendo game contain at least one or two points where you have to do something so non-obvious that there is no way to figure it out without a walkthrough < 1266010456 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Gotta sell those copies of Nintendo Power magazine < 1266010468 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: pokemon doesn't, AFAIK < 1266010477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, don't they realise people just check gamefaqs? ;) < 1266010483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, ah maybe, never played those < 1266010492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was paper mario < 1266010497 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot what the tricky thing was < 1266010530 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, so, maybe we should say "every rpg or adventure game" < 1266010550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though there were a few weird ones in mario 64 and such too < 1266010559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(paper mario is an rpg) < 1266010599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nintendo Power is older than GameFAQs. :P < 1266010602 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed spoilers for the bit in mario 64 where you have to zoom in and change the camera angle, to trigger you teleporting < 1266010609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what XD < 1266010617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, would that be the flying cap thingy? < 1266010631 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep (or just the cap switch generally in the DS version) < 1266010634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, that was quite tricky < 1266010641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, there is just one cap switch there? < 1266010657 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the locations of the other two were changed to have a couple of stars instead < 1266010665 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I wasn't aware of that they ported it to DS < 1266010671 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a multiple-characters thing instead, which has new levels < 1266010684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, did they fix the bad camera control when they ported it? < 1266010693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, didn't they have to lose some of those stars < 1266010696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that need the other caps < 1266010699 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not awful in the port, but I'm not sure what it was like originally < 1266010701 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are more starts < 1266010703 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stars < 1266010713 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, but what about metal and vanish caps? < 1266010717 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of flying cap as mario, vanish cap as mario, metal cap as mario < 1266010727 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's flower as mario, flower as luigi, flower as wario < 1266010733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1266010740 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the cap switch creates blocks that drop flowers < 1266010743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, that means some of the stars must have been relocated < 1266010749 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: why? < 1266010753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they depended on the caps to be reachable < 1266010762 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you can still get all three cap effects < 1266010764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you had to fly, or use the metal < 1266010766 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you get them a different way < 1266010771 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, ah. I see < 1266010794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, but why wario. Why. < 1266010795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: The cap switches are entirely optional, y'know. < 1266010799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't make sense in that game < 1266010815 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in the original, yes; in the sequel, no < 1266010824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, err really? No that wouldn't work for the first level where you have to pass through those rings of coins < 1266010824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, they made it required? < 1266010827 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you don't have to hit the switch < 1266010832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well, maybe you need all coins? < 1266010835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1266010836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all stars < 1266010836 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you do have to release at least Mario, which is sort-of the equivalent of hitting a switch < 1266010837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You don't have to get all the stars. < 1266010837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1266010843 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, true I guess < 1266010855 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can leave luigi and wario locked up all game, though, I did on my first playthrough < 1266010862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:02:08 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Defcalc <<< this is just tree rewriting < 1266010864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't caaaaaare < 1266010869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, err, how do you start playing as then? < 1266010877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 70 stars to beat the game. < 1266010878 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like trees < 1266010883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There are 120 stars *in* the game. < 1266010888 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you start as Yoshi, obviously < 1266010891 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah yes, remember now < 1266010896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, what? Not in the original < 1266010897 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the numbers were bumped to 90 and 150 for the DS port, IIRC < 1266010902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, in the original you start as mario < 1266010907 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and play mario all the way < 1266010908 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, I'm describing a port with some enhanced features < 1266010923 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was a straight port, it wouldn't have sold as well as a port with some extra levels < 1266010927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, s/enhanced/totally wrecked/ < 1266010927 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1266010936 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what makes you think that? < 1266010942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the metal cap doesn't really need a FAQ to get. < 1266010944 0 :Slereah!~Slereah@ANantes-259-1-49-113.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1266010953 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, some extra levels sure, but what I'm finding an issue with is changing the playing character so completely < 1266010960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in a level where the vanish cap is useful. < 1266010965 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, most of the controls are the same < 1266010980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I found the vanish cap without problems. And, You mean "where the metal cap is useful" < 1266010983 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing mario's 3d model with yoshi's isn't a massive change < 1266010991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Erm, right. < 1266010994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/You/you/ < 1266011002 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, same abilities? < 1266011003 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the characters are mostly similar, apart from each has a few moves the others don't < 1266011004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, it's just the wing cap that's a "guide dang it" sort of thing. < 1266011016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, true < 1266011023 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ? < 1266011038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, actually I found that one by pure chance, I wanted to check what the odd white column in the emulator was < 1266011041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WTF is with the light from the roof?" < 1266011043 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it didn't draw it properly < 1266011047 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mario is the only one who can wall-kick; yoshi can't punch (swallowing enemies instead); luigi's backflips last ages; wario's punches are super-powerful < 1266011051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the game it isn't as visible normally < 1266011051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Heheheh. < 1266011054 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about it for the differences, though < 1266011062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, it's pretty darned visible. < 1266011067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a column of light. < 1266011072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "?"? < 1266011072 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yoshi can fly to some extent, but not very far < 1266011076 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not *soild white column* though < 1266011086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Yeah. < 1266011092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a sunbeam, not a white column. < 1266011097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which Mario is standing. < 1266011110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I know, they fixed that bug later in mupen64plus iirc < 1266011118 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you press A while standing there, you get a message saying "mario... hello..." or something like that < 1266011120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a sunbeam on modern versions < 1266011124 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oklopol, Defcalc, tree rewriting, Slereah likes trees, or something < 1266011140 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amidst Mario chatter < 1266011142 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, fly? how does that even make any sense < 1266011147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, yes, I was just telling oklopol to shut his foo because it's still a nice language. < 1266011152 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it's more gliding < 1266011159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I like trees too. Nature is fun. < 1266011165 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, if you hold down jump, you go up for a bit before going down < 1266011170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yeah. < 1266011172 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, *how* < 1266011173 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can move for that time < 1266011191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mupen64plus now emulates that game 100% perfectly. < 1266011193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, I mean, Yoshi isn't very aerodynamic really! < 1266011197 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: he has wings? < 1266011204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? does he? < 1266011204 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, anyway < 1266011216 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :little stubby ones that rather restrict flying, but enough to keep him in the air for a bit < 1266011217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's just what Yoshi does. < 1266011226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He does it in all the games in which Yoshi is playable. < 1266011237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, I haven't played many games with yoshi in < 1266011238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, double-jump. < 1266011250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never played Mario World? < 1266011288 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the super mario 64 ds version is more like one continuous jump than a double-jump < 1266011305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, mario world, maybe. SNES? < 1266011318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and boring plus rather hard < 1266011327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer RPGs mostly actually. < 1266011336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snes rpgs are lovelu < 1266011338 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely* < 1266011339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Weird. < 1266011345 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sometimes at least) < 1266011347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoshi's sort of gliding thing is fun < 1266011360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in yoshi island ds, and maybe the original it's based on too, it sounds and looks like he's desperately taking a dump < 1266011361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: SNES. And one of the greatest platformers. < 1266011367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes him flutter up momentarily < 1266011371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR < 1266011373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also one of the easier ones) < 1266011375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, mario 64 is way better (apart from the camera of course) < 1266011383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No. < 1266011391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mario 64 is as good. < 1266011392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266011393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Mario Bros 1, bitches. < 1266011394 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the DS version, you mostly just use R as a camera control < 1266011395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No competition. < 1266011401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Mario 3. < 1266011404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well, I'm good at mario 64. I suck at mario world < 1266011408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the world one is worse < 1266011409 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1266011413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: How can you suck at it? < 1266011414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DAH--duh. Duh duh duh, da duh duh duh duh duh dah dah dah dah dah duh dah duh < 1266011419 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, always dying? < 1266011426 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the camera stays in much the same angle while it's released, swings behind you when it's pressed < 1266011426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to time jumps? < 1266011431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite powerups and trivial one-ups! < 1266011436 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How 'bout just Mario Bros? < 1266011445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the issue is the jumps < 1266011458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can try again. Forever. < 1266011465 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also, time limit < 1266011466 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1266011471 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mario 64 lacks that < 1266011471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: meh < 1266011475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: boring arcade-ish game imo < 1266011476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can go back to the level. < 1266011483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, how 'bout just donkey kong?!) < 1266011484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well, I hate time limits < 1266011498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you run out of lives, you fail at gaming forever. < 1266011500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really run into SMB's time limmits < 1266011508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run out of lives in SMB1 all the time though :) < 1266011527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to get a 1-up, kill the Koopa Troopas at the start of 1-1 and exit the level) < 1266011527 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How 'bout that little-known, hand-held LCD-screen game, "Mario's Cement Factory"? Now that's retro. < 1266011538 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I know it < 1266011544 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Really! < 1266011550 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what? < 1266011551 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: there's an infinite loop near the start of 1-1 < 1266011553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1266011562 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you can get an extra life, get a coin, then die < 1266011569 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only remember it vaguely from an issue of Electronic Gaming from the 80's < 1266011569 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and respawn where you can repeat the process < 1266011576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you were so amazed it wasn't even a ? < 1266011580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a ! question < 1266011590 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I've even seen one of the original game&watch games, and even played it, although I'm not sure it was that one in particular < 1266011591 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes! < 1266011595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: let's confuse you: I'm using Linux, and like the typography and fonts < 1266011603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Gw_donkeykong_trans.png < 1266011609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handheld nintendo console with two screens < 1266011613 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that should have been: alise: Yes? < 1266011616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a dpad, and some buttons < 1266011618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :folds < 1266011622 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1266011634 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "game & watch"? never heard about that before < 1266011642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: thou art luckey. < 1266011643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lucky < 1266011648 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, strange there is a super mario wiki < 1266011652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Play more Smash Bros. < 1266011654 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dates from before games consoles were capable of running more than one game < 1266011656 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how is that strange? < 1266011675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what? the fighting games? < 1266011678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loath that genre < 1266011682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Gamewatch_mariobros_open.JPG IT'S JUST LIKE A BOOK < 1266011699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if we can all agree on one game being great < 1266011701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mario Kart! < 1266011706 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: which version? < 1266011710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Which one? < 1266011714 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you play this < 1266011715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I mainly play double dash, the gamecube one < 1266011718 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has like two buttons < 1266011722 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually played all but the Gamecube and Wii ones < 1266011728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the best one, IMO. < 1266011730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played the DS one < 1266011731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rubbish < 1266011734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wii one is also rubbish < 1266011736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the steering is wonky < 1266011738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really hard to steer precisely < 1266011743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the console ones were good. < 1266011744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just seems really fuzzy, not enough mario karty < 1266011747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not played the portable ones. < 1266011750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with the wheel < 1266011753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wheel is worse than useless < 1266011754 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, I was too young to understand when I was playing the SNES version; I played it in a supermarket creche while my parents were shopping < 1266011756 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I interested in Muppets right now? < 1266011760 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and never figured otu the controls < 1266011761 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*out < 1266011767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the original mario kart came out in 1992? < 1266011769 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the DS one is rather broken, and I dislike the level design < 1266011769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Play it with a Gamecube controller. < 1266011774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought 64 was the latest one < 1266011775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Mario Kart! <-- no < 1266011779 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that genre either < 1266011780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I might as well just play the gamecube version < 1266011782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about: < 1266011782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graphics are sharper < 1266011783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: well, die. < 1266011785 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the N64 one was fun, if a little prone to random explosions < 1266011789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION throws a blue shell at AnMaster
< 1266011790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Mario RPG? < 1266011791 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had some great level design < 1266011794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is good < 1266011795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually dodged a blue shell before! < 1266011795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SNES one < 1266011796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah. The Gamecube one is better. < 1266011798 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mario 64 < 1266011808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way I know is sure-fire, and the other way was the luckiest fluke ever. < 1266011811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't reproduce the latter. < 1266011816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: <3 Mario RPG. < 1266011819 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GBA one is rather neat too, they managed to balance the items well and the battle mode is great < 1266011837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about paper mario? It is quite nice < 1266011842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :played that recently < 1266011847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not played it. < 1266011861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the n64 one that is < 1266011862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only own one console, BTW. < 1266011870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I own none < 1266011877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Haven't played it, but I probably have the ROM. < 1266011878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus I can't play anything newer than n64 < 1266011894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sure-fire way, btw, is to go up a blasting tunnel - like in Daisy Cruiser's longcut or D.K. Mountain - while it locks on to you < 1266011896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, use glide64 to get anything usable in mupen64plus for it < 1266011897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picked up a backwards-compatible PS3 recently. < 1266011903 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, paper mario that is < 1266011905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will "hit" you in the air, though you won't see it, and it'll have no effect < 1266011905 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266011909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, you need to time it rather well... < 1266011914 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Already do; couldn't get Mario 64 working otherwise. < 1266011933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, well. It's freaking Mario 64. < 1266011935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, glide64 is the only decently working video plugin for most games < 1266011951 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: doesn't work in the DS version, btw, it falls back while you blast, and catches up to you afterwards < 1266011962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: pah, other people have tried this! < 1266011964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not so special < 1266011970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best 3D Mario game. :) < 1266011971 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the DS version, a skilled player can set off a power-slide turbo boost at an exact moment to dodge it, but I'm not that good < 1266011987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, camera control < 1266011996 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the PSTB fanaticism in the DS version really defines the game; it's probably a bad thing, it leads to you wearing your left thumb out) < 1266012007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I hate the camera control in mario 64 < 1266012014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, that is the one thing that's off. < 1266012015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it is a good idea but it doesn't work out well < 1266012022 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, I dislike the way items work in the DS version, they're pretty much all designed to screw over the leader, you can't do clever things like setting red shells as mines any more) < 1266012022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glide64 is a weird name for a video plugin, assuming it doesn't actually use the 3dfx Glide API. < 1266012031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think it does.... < 1266012033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be much better if it were analog. < 1266012047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: I hate how sending a blue shell backwards as 1st player hits yourself < 1266012047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or some opengl wrapper thingy for it < 1266012055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just... argh, no, I didn't tell you to do that < 1266012064 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what does sending it forwards do? < 1266012069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same. < 1266012073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue shells don't aim :P < 1266012075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just hit player 1 < 1266012077 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same happens in the DS version < 1266012088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ds version's graphics suck and i find the gameplay a little sluggish < 1266012094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1266012099 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the GBA version, you can trail a spiky shell behind you like with other shells, and it will protect you and break like a green shell does < 1266012105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never liked either fighting or racing games < 1266012111 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fully 1/3 of my scrollback is now Mario-related. < 1266012111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mario kart isn't really a racing game < 1266012113 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you fire it forwards, it just goes straight and hits a wall and dies < 1266012117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPGs and some platformers is what I like < 1266012117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: SHADDUP < 1266012119 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you fire it backwards, it stays there as a mine < 1266012119 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also zelda games < 1266012128 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the DS version is, because they nerfed items so badly for the leader < 1266012129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zelda a link to the past or oot < 1266012131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is best < 1266012134 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other versions aren't, really, though < 1266012139 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for the flamewar to die down over that
< 1266012148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, alise pikhq ^ < 1266012155 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I've never played either < 1266012159 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1266012160 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I've watched two OoT TASes < 1266012165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, TAS? < 1266012166 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a normal one, and a RBG one < 1266012171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tool assisted speedruns < 1266012172 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: tool-assisted speedrun < 1266012176 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, RBG? < 1266012179 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse bottle glitch < 1266012180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's a weird way to do it, but yes, it seems you're right. At least it explains the name. < 1266012181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, cheat codes? < 1266012184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :artworks in which you slow down time in the game and use repeated save/loads to get an almost perfect time for a game < 1266012186 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a cheat code, exactly < 1266012189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using glitches is fair game < 1266012194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, also wth is "reverse bottle glitch"? < 1266012197 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's memory corruption < 1266012203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I made sure to call them artworks so you'd get upset and trash them) < 1266012206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, It could be fairly old code? < 1266012219 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you use a race condition while fishing to get a bottle into an inventory slot it can't normally occupy < 1266012220 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It probably is; no-one'd do it that way nowadays. < 1266012223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster: That's a weird way to do it, but yes, it seems you're right. At least it explains the name. < 1266012224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1266012233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, glide64 < 1266012242 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you keep catching and releasing bugs; every time you do so, it copies one of the bytes that holds item quantities over another < 1266012246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266012248 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, one of the video plugins for mupen64 < 1266012250 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to how your inventory's arranged < 1266012256 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the only one that works decently too < 1266012269 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you seemingly do random sidequests for most of the game, then randomly you've completed all the dungeons in the game < 1266012284 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, heh < 1266012286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the TASes use quite a lot of special programming in them; I think some of the megaman ones had pretty complicated programs to do the optimal-route-finding. < 1266012292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, you still need to complete the first normally < 1266012295 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good RBG quest doesn't complete any of the compulsory dungeons apart from the last one, and for that one you skip most of them < 1266012297 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no you don't < 1266012301 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, no? < 1266012302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's glitches to skip that. < 1266012307 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266012349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, interesting how it can skip over going to big link? < 1266012351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1266012354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grown up link < 1266012355 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1266012372 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it would have to < 1266012374 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you just wander into the temple of time, become big link, and wander back out again < 1266012384 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glitching past all the barriers that would normally stop you just doing that without prerequisites < 1266012391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, trollaxing time < 1266012396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best characters/kart in mario kart? < 1266012403 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, there must have to be a *LOT* of glitches? < 1266012407 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes, it's a TAS < 1266012411 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, don't they all work exactly the same iirc? < 1266012416 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: no < 1266012417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, at least in the n64 version < 1266012421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:40:04 cpressey, isn't there an algorithm for converting it to RPN? < 1266012424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shunting thingy dijkstra bla < 1266012426 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, pretty sure they do in the n64 version < 1266012426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://www.tasvideos.org/ZeldaOcarinaOfTimeTricks.html < 1266012427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: nah different speed, accel, etc < 1266012434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :powerup weights, i think < 1266012435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and special powerups < 1266012437 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, err yes, it was mentioned a bit later iirc < 1266012438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1266012448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i'm logreading an entire week < 1266012454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't give me shit or i'll start blabbing about how bad it was < 1266012455 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, where is that described? Not in game? < 1266012460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah in game < 1266012462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the gcn one < 1266012468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcn? < 1266012473 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my definition of a TAS: it's where you painstakingly spend months, interactively at a copy of the game, using rewinds, slowdown, etc., to record a script that plays the game as near-perfectly as you can manage < 1266012474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamecube nintendo < 1266012474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm talking about n64 here < 1266012480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go to single player mode, select characters, select kart, look at kart stats < 1266012485 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I can summarize my lines: "Hate Python, haaaaate." < 1266012489 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you just plug the script into an emulator, and get a really really fast tool-assisted speedrun < 1266012497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: having to work with it? < 1266012498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, heh < 1266012563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tasvideos.org/RockmanTricks.html is also a nice list. < 1266012565 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I don't think I've ever met anyone who hates Python before, so it's refreshing < 1266012572 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as a Perl fan myself, I should have come across more < 1266012581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: The Pokemon Yellow speedrun couldn't have taken more than an evening to do, though. < 1266012584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Python. < 1266012587 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sure? < 1266012593 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they skip out all the rerecords < 1266012598 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the final product < 1266012603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: it probably uses some glitch < 1266012607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to win the game in three minutes or something < 1266012608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, that's because the only glitch is restarting the console at the right time. < 1266012611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a joek a joek lol < 1266012618 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically, a TAS takes a month of work to produce an hour of output < 1266012621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 2 minutes. < 1266012628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How on earth? < 1266012631 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah, that's the one I was talking about < 1266012636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It saves. Shuts down the game in the middle of saving. < 1266012647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starts the game, loads. < 1266012651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes into battle. < 1266012655 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: basically, if you turn it off while saving, all the remaining save data is full of the same byte < 1266012671 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not quite, it went and did lots of changing the pokemon list, which was 255 items long and so overflowed into main memory < 1266012674 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, it's my day job. scarf: The next time someone refers to it as "uncluttered" I shall refer them to the design of the pickle module, and have them compare it to any other modern language's serialization facilities. < 1266012687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: That happened in-battle, and I was typing out the description. < 1266012693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I never really thought of you as a day job kind of guy, Cats Eye surely generates some money right?! < 1266012695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Also, that was the item list. < 1266012698 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, I got the order wrong < 1266012705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't possibly have time for all the stuff you do without either not having a day job or sleeping polyphasically, surely. :P < 1266012709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It swapped the item list around to write memory such that it skipped to the end of the game after the battle. < 1266012727 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the pokemon list was involved too, but that might have been a different TAS < 1266012728 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I wish. < 1266012740 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: 0 pokemon. < 1266012759 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: same, but I thought the /list/ was still used < 1266012795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Pokemon Green one was fun, also. < 1266012800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm watching that speedrun now < 1266012803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Started a walk through walls glitch. < 1266012805 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1266012805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Go 9999999999999999999999999999999999999[lots of 9s]" < 1266012807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Go! < 1266012813 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I had more time when I was at school, and when I was commuting to/from work at my previous job. < 1266012818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walked to the end-of-game. < 1266012822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :End. < 1266012824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266012832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr3L597dZFM < 1266012834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so pretty < 1266012876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you made this game your bitch" --youtube comment < 1266012911 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what's that a link to (at work)? < 1266012930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PKMN Yellow speedrun < 1266012968 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I've seen that one already I think < 1266012977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which platforms are the pokemon games for? < 1266012978 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Youtube URLs are so opaque... < 1266012982 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: most of them < 1266012985 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what sort of emulator do you need < 1266012985 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Nintendo make < 1266012990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, snes? < 1266012991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Gameboys, mostly. < 1266012992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the DS. < 1266012995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266013003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I have a ds emulator, it sucks < 1266013006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GBA (gameboy advance) has Pokemon Sapphire which is the main one I've played. < 1266013009 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the gameboy advance one then < 1266013011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And VirtualBoy Advance is pretty much perfect. < 1266013012 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handheld RPGs: game boy original, game boy color, gameboy advance, DS for the four generations < 1266013015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the emulators are. < 1266013025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And obtaining a sapphire/ruby rom is as easy as, uh, going to the toilet? < 1266013030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And VirtualBoy Advance is pretty much perfect. <-- yes < 1266013031 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were also console RPGs too, for the N64-like consoles < 1266013043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, protip: tapping A and B doesn't make the pokeballs work more. < 1266013044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, oh? interesting < 1266013048 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ruby/sapphire have a rather obnoxious font < 1266013054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Really? I never noticed. < 1266013056 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: but it gives your fingers something to do while you're waiting < 1266013064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you don't meen firered and lifegreen? < 1266013075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they ran out of colours lol.) < 1266013080 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's obnoxious too, but a diffreent way < 1266013082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1266013086 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and firered and leafgreen are remakes of red and green < 1266013094 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes sense to have similar names < 1266013094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1266013094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's the font obnoxious? < 1266013094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I seem to lack a collection of such roms < 1266013102 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a large snes rom collection < 1266013103 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like heartgold and soulsilver are remakes of gold and silver < 1266013108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.coolrom.com/roms/gba/ < 1266013110 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fewer n64 < 1266013117 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just one gba < 1266013117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be bullshit, maybe not < 1266013118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ymmv < 1266013129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I was planning for piratebay < 1266013154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roms are generally on less reputable sites ;) < 1266013160 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, there's a general rule that you don't discuss ROMs on every forum in existence < 1266013164 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including, presumably, IRC < 1266013167 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266013185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, so, lets discuss EEPROM then < 1266013200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it was *that* type of roms we were talking about here < 1266013222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: yes, but I don't really care < 1266013226 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I expected people would be jumping on me for either censorship, or calling IRC a forum < 1266013246 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously I fail at trolling #esoteric, I should go back to trolling ##crawl-dev < 1266013259 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't mean to troll it, but looking back on what I say there, I think I'm a troll) < 1266013271 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ffs, rapidshare style website sucks < 1266013275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I remember why I prefer torrents < 1266013302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lericson.blogg.se/code/2010/february/this-might-seem-silly-git-pull.html < 1266013330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be playing a Pokemon game in Japanese, but... No kanji. < 1266013335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Makes it harder to read*. < 1266013347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well. Easier to read. Harder to understand.) < 1266013397 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first rule of ROMs is that you don't discuss ROMs. < 1266013417 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I like f4y's comment < 1266013436 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's factually incorrect < 1266013450 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but especially if it's correct < 1266013455 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other commenters seem divide < 1266013457 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*divided < 1266013491 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one about Linus being a Swedish speaker? It's correct. < 1266013556 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://lericson.blogg.se/code/2010/february/this-might-seem-silly-git-pull.html <-- heh < 1266013676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a torrent for 10.26 GB of for GBA < 1266013680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty amazing < 1266013686 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, ^ < 1266013687 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, there must be some sort of gnome (no offense meant to the desktop environment) on my disk eating files. < 1266013711 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't get what you're trying to say here, and don't particularly want to either < 1266013721 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the huge size < 1266013730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the GoodGBA set of things not discussed contains 34118 things not discussed, and those modern things not discussed aren't exactly very small. < 1266013736 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory's cheap, after all. < 1266013769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 10 second speed run. < 1266013789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its submission explains the input frame by frame. < 1266013793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tasvideos.org/2025S.html < 1266013806 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266013826 0 :tcsavage!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266013844 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That fantasy strategy game or whatever? < 1266013855 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you linked it. Wonder how I missed that. < 1266013873 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the one. < 1266013884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's amazing. < 1266013922 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When your win condition is based solely on the RNG what do you expect? < 1266013945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares, it's sweet < 1266013993 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: colors a skeleton < 1266014045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; I was about to ask whether anyone's interested enough to look at frame 1063 and explain what that's about. < 1266014095 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colors a skeleton! < 1266014103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colours, the skeleton. < 1266014112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which frame is it? < 1266014113 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I watch it -_- < 1266014114 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGfx3QAV64M < 1266014115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, as in, what time? < 1266014117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tasvideos.org/1145M.html < 1266014121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click the watch thingy and choose you toob < 1266014129 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol where is it < 1266014139 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my link, it's off topic < 1266014140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno :D < 1266014141 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzkrREEtnAI < 1266014152 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1080p! < 1266014169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time count is the colour skeleton < 1266014202 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get 720p youtube < 1266014207 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the little box isn't big enough < 1266014229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fullscreen dood < 1266014234 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0:19, I think < 1266014236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are your two choices < 1266014242 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think it's obscured by the "this is from tasvideos" text < 1266014280 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be the frame immediately before the "congratulation message is displayed" one. < 1266014281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1266014287 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait < 1266014293 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how to watch it -_- < 1266014294 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at a frame 1060-1062 < 1266014302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitting 1063 will be tricky < 1266014309 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: Youtube, linked. < 1266014327 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you! < 1266014378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: it basically manipulates the RNG through a certain input sequence so that a search for whoever finds him successfully, and does that immediately < 1266014383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Frame 1120 in the actual video. < 1266014386 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I'll just grab the avi < 1266014391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1266014397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dns timeout on tasvideos < 1266014399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1266014401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the flicker thing before the hooray you won thing < 1266014410 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it works < 1266014420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. < 1266014422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It glitches oddly, then "Hooray, you won". < 1266014423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:21:11 I am eternally tempted to design a "real" language which "gets everything right". It's a bad temptation. It's better to stick to these weird little languages that intentionally get things "wrong"... < 1266014427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEEEEHIRDLAAAAAANG < 1266014432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, AAAAAALISELAAAAAAAAANG < 1266014442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The skeleton is on the screen color-swapped for no good reason. < 1266014453 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, except that my MPC doesn't work and VLC evidently lacks frame advance. < 1266014453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "simple" stuff, getting that right is easy < 1266014457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliselang solves problems you didn't even know you had < 1266014465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: mplayer? oh, mpc = windows = no < 1266014517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:50:36 I could live with them being slightly less than first-class, for efficiency. But still, it's so rare to be able to handle them like normal objects. < 1266014518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk < 1266014526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squeak has totally super-awesome stack objects < 1266014535 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hrm, well... I downloaded the highest-quality MP4 version from youtube, and frame-advanced, and there's one glitched-graphics frame, but I still don't see any special colors on the skeleton. < 1266014541 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If getting the simple stuff right is easy, why does it still seem so rare? < 1266014553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Glitched-graphics comes a few frames before that. < 1266014554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Because most people underrate correctness massively. < 1266014564 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, okay. Maybe the youtube version has a dropped frame or something, then. < 1266014567 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, whatever. < 1266014570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's the flicker before the you won thing < 1266014572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the transition < 1266014572 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Fair 'nuff. < 1266014573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that i think < 1266014583 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Only one glitched-graphics frame? < 1266014587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And most people HIGHLY underrate dependent types!!!!12121 < 1266014589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, a couple. < 1266014593 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be 3 according to the description < 1266014603 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After which, the colour. < 1266014633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'd avoid IEEE floating point whenever possible, anyway. < 1266014642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that break mathematical laws in such ridiculously arbitrary ways upset me. < 1266014648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, okay, there it is. The .avi version has it, the youtube one doesn't. < 1266014649 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I agree. < 1266014670 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the people that know dependent types highly OVERrate them < 1266014677 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating point on an Apple ][+ traumatized me over the real number system for the rest of my life. < 1266014684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: Hey, it's not my fault they solve most problems. < 1266014692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reals are spooky < 1266014693 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If it's the one that colours a whole lot more than just the skeleton, I saw that one. < 1266014703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about a system which has |x-y| instead of x-y < 1266014705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, I assume it's that one. < 1266014713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Since the skeleton is coloured too. < 1266014718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be cool to keep the commutativity rag up for as many operations as possible < 1266014721 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, yay, VLC /does/ have frame advance. It's just hidden in view->advanced controls. < 1266014776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:51:53 Hm, maybe Ruby does something like that though -- I wouldn't put it past it. < 1266014776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :na < 1266014809 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, they're getting rid of continuations in 1.9. Because they're hard to implement efficiently. < 1266014811 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Efficient. < 1266014812 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby. < 1266014814 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO. < 1266014821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they're not < 1266014826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.9.1 is out, maybe even 1.9.2 < 1266014829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they reinstated continuations < 1266014834 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good. < 1266014836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they even work across threads now, which makes them something other than useless < 1266014849 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. Wow. < 1266014888 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK, Youtube is ~30fps, while most videos on that site are ~60fps... < 1266014907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I know right < 1266014911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's your http://www.youtube.com/my_speed < 1266014935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We did not find any video playbacks from your location." < 1266014936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz. < 1266014943 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1266014958 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know Ruby
< 1266014976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are lucky. < 1266014982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not a very good language. < 1266014984 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to implement efficiently?? < 1266014998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby is just like "yeaaa DYNAMIFUCKINGCISM" < 1266014999 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is hard abount it < 1266015001 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about* < 1266015014 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe it's a matter of the code they already have is fucked < 1266015032 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: I think one of the complaints was that VM's like the JVM are all, like, stack-based < 1266015049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: too much dynamiwoopy < 1266015146 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Your average video speed at this location from January 14, 2010 to February 11, 2010 was 2.89 Mbps." That's a bit strange, since the speeds shown by the test video right now are a lot higher. Well, whatever. < 1266015196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this is just a good time-of-day. < 1266015208 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266015225 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My graph is very sawtooth-like. < 1266015292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: There are few languages more dynamic. < 1266015400 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's so dynamic about it? < 1266015485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: false < 1266015490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Iverson Brackets. < 1266015525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Than Ruby? < 1266015532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1266015542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay... < 1266015548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages more dynamic? < 1266015568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk < 1266015571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one < 1266015577 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ruby is so dynamic" is mostly marketing. Lots of languages are dynamic. It's not usually a good thing. < 1266015592 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iverson Brackets?! < 1266015603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iverson_bracket < 1266015608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[x] = if x then 1 else 0 < 1266015610 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise were you reading fortress blog? < 1266015613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a < b] + [a = b] + [a > b] = 1 < 1266015616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, Smalltalk is more dynamic. < 1266015619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sign(x) = [x > 0] - [x < 0] < 1266015622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: i was reading you mentioning it < 1266015629 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk is also... Better. < 1266015642 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Kronecker delta I've heard of... < 1266015658 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is plenty dynamic, and I curse it for being so. < 1266015742 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a Matz quote where he admits Ruby was supposed to be like 'Smalltalk for normal programmers' or something? < 1266015758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby = Matzlisp. < 1266015763 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get ruby < 1266015767 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1266015769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just decided to change the syntax at the end of its hodge-podge transformation. < 1266015770 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the deal with ruby? < 1266015773 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I mean? < 1266015783 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not much to get. Like I said, it's mostly marketing < 1266015784 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hodge-STAR < 1266015785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Ruby is a language designed in the following steps: < 1266015785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * take a simple lisp language (like one prior to CL). < 1266015785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * remove macros, s-expression. < 1266015785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * add simple object system (much simpler than CLOS). < 1266015785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * add blocks, inspired by higher order functions. < 1266015785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * add methods found in Smalltalk. < 1266015789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * add functionality found in Perl (in OO way). < 1266015791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Ruby was a Lisp originally, in theory. < 1266015793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's call it MatzLisp from now on. ;-)" < 1266015795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--matz < 1266015795 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove s-expression o_O < 1266015808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Lisp, but get this: we take out the Lisp. < 1266015815 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it's a rubbish version of common lisp < 1266015819 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266015821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have sex with me, women! I am a genius!" < 1266015827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I invented MATZLISP!" < 1266016047 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1266016077 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could tell you stories about a certain troll in one of the BSD channels that that just reminded me of, but I'd much rather forget him. < 1266016095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs alise
< 1266016122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. < 1266016153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: S-expressions aren't essential to being Lisp. I' < 1266016170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d say macros and the idea of the code being a list are, though. < 1266016171 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the thought of /removing/ them seems bizarre to me < 1266016184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exist M-expression Lisps. < 1266016241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "We did not find any video playbacks from your location." here too for http://www.youtube.com/my_speed < 1266016263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also suggests I download google chrome for linux < 1266016269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange < 1266016274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I'm on FreeBSD atm < 1266016371 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^ < 1266016380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1266016400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wow, today's xkcd is bad, even for xkcd. <-- it's for valentine's day. how could you possibly make a joke for valentine's day that _wasn't_ bad? < 1266016402 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it does get the right small town < 1266016404 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *wish* that were strange. < 1266016405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's scary < 1266016416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering I have a highly dynamic ip < 1266016434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how perl requires a true statement at the end of modules? < 1266016439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, my language should require a ∎ < 1266016449 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a small black box? < 1266016457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_proof < 1266016469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hard to spot it was that here. < 1266016487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also I'm more used to the outline version < 1266016500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom is more used to the outline version. < 1266016512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one doesn't even make sense < 1266016520 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :∎ < 1266016526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use it like a rimshot, see. < 1266016537 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1266016718 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see a language require a statement which is neither true nor false at the end of each module. Perhaps an opinion. < 1266016724 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Posies are pretty; < 1266016740 0 :MigoMipo!~MigoMipo@84-217-2-83.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266016755 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey ahaha for "∎" as rimshot < 1266016818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Or an infinite loop < 1266016822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to prove it's an infinite loop. < 1266016828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proof must be at least 100 lines long. < 1266016837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, some proper busywork for programmers wanting to slack off! < 1266016846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WHAT ARE YOU DOING" "Proving" < 1266016866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. DSMV is removing the Asperger's Syndrome diagnosis. < 1266016935 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew aspergers doesn't exist!!!! < 1266016941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1266017123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: dammit i was going to comment on why uk is not a schengen member < 1266017147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gone :( < 1266017223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iiuc it's because of the british commonwealth - they cannot have easy travelling within both zones without all of the EU having the same) < 1266017245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So hey, it's slightly more reputable. < 1266017248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still a bunch of crap, but. < 1266017292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the schengen zone is essentially uncontrolled internally, but with strict outer borders externally < 1266017342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/all of the EU/all of the Schengen zone/ < 1266017400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that the british commonwealth travel is somewhat controlled, but much weaker than the outer schengen border < 1266017431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strict exactly is the outer schengen border? < 1266017460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: About as strict as other first-world nations. < 1266017538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc to enter schengen from a place that doesn't have visa exemption to it, you apply to any country within, but _all_ countries are notified and can probably veto it < 1266017558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1266017562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty hard to enter the eu, then < 1266017563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not entirely sure of the specifics though < 1266017570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably easiest to enter the uk then the eu from that?) < 1266017621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Can't go from UK to EU unless you can enter the Schengen zone from outside it. < 1266017650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then, hard to enter the EU full-stop < 1266017664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :letting almost any country in the eu veto any entry is pretty steep though < 1266017667 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this one of those puzzles, like where farmer Brown has a boat and his pig and a coyote? < 1266017678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Travelling IMMIGRANT < 1266017689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to a non-travelling immigrant < 1266017698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's not a veto system in place. < 1266017706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "probably veto" i mean i'm not in any way sure whether the accepting country _has_ to obey a veto < 1266017721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok < 1266017737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a common set of requirements to get a visa, and a single list of people that can't get a visa. < 1266017763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They must also not be a threat to the security or health of a Schengen nation. < 1266017820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the list public? < 1266017824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see i wanna see i wanna see < 1266017864 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd guess not, this list obviously includes suspected terrorists and stuff < 1266017875 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i've already been wrong in this discussion < 1266017885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1266017902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 Jun 2006 ... So a listing on the Schengen immigration 'blacklist' in ... The current criteria for listing a person on the Schengen blacklist are set out ... < 1266017904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna see wanna see < 1266017948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list doesn't appear to be public. < 1266017999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you are even notified of being on the list if that's the reason you're denied entry < 1266018016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being on the list does not necessarily deny you entry. < 1266018027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1266018028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a list of people officials should look out for. < 1266018039 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farmer Brown and his boat are on one side of a river, along with his pig and his coyote. He can only take one animal across the river at once. If he leaves them alone together, the coyote will eat the pig. < 1266018048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including people that should be denied entry, people who are wanted in a country in the Schengen zone, and missing persons. < 1266018049 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution: Take the pig across. Go back. Take the coyote across. < 1266018076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no you have to take the coyote first *ducks* < 1266018089 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the problem is that the coyote is on the Schengen blacklist, for obvious reasons. < 1266018104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint: the coyote and pig are completely symmetric in this puzzle) < 1266018126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also report lost or reported stolen *items*. < 1266018138 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, like the boat. < 1266018148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vehicles, identity documents, firearms, etc.) < 1266018178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list is updated every 5 minutes. < 1266018181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell needs a ShowHTML < 1266018185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need italics to show this properly :( < 1266018313 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Dare I ask? < 1266018339 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been having impure thoughts about serialization lately < 1266018402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distinguishing literals from free variables in this language < 1266018440 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when you have the coyote and pig on the other side, how can you go back for the ducks? < 1266018442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just write out HTML in your show function < 1266018469 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or better - ANSI escape codes! < 1266018477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266018479 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can make it out on your terminal < 1266018487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps bolding, or inversion. < 1266018502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You get the ducks to swim. < 1266018621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh. < 1266018628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you, old GHC, and your lack of UTF-8. < 1266018634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Print! PRINT! < 1266018651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: take the coyote back, then the ducks over, then go back and fetch the coyote < 1266018672 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But won't the ducks eat the pig then? Those things are nasty. < 1266018687 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh in that case there might be a problem < 1266018702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Results 1 - 3 of 3 for "duck eats pig". (0.20 seconds) -- well, maybe it's not so bad. < 1266018712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then there is anyhow - the ducks might swim over to the pig while you're not watching < 1266018800 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I hear ducks take to water like a duck to water. < 1266018829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm as long as the ducks are vegetarian this would seem to work. although then you really _do_ need to take the coyote first. < 1266018851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't work with 3 things the coyote eats, i think < 1266018902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah of course pig - coyote - duck is isomorphic to the well-known wolf - goat - bag of whatever goats eat < 1266018905 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now, as long as you don't let the coyote produce any, ahem, excrement, you've still gotten the things across, and that's what matters. < 1266018944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't matter who eats whom, you've failed anyway < 1266018971 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, if you eat them all, you're the winner. < 1266018992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was going to suggest you just eat the pig straight away < 1266019029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we generalize this to an arbitrary graph of -will eat- relationships... < 1266019041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ha, that ANSI code idea was brilliant < 1266019054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1266019120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't quite extend to the cannibals and missionaries case though, since that depends on majority < 1266019174 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Glad it was helpful.