< 1266797050 0 :Pthing!~pthing@cpc2-pres4-0-0-cust265.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266801701 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266802934 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266803587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1266804113 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got the backorder email for the Barbie computer engineer (it's not really on backorder, it's preorder, but whatever). The product name there: "BRB I CAN BE DOLL computer eng" < 1266804144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: who won curling < 1266804150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK. < 1266804150 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1266804151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... :D < 1266804153 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1266804157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'ma buy that doll < 1266804166 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1266804169 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BRB I CAN BE DOLL < 1266804171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, I can be doll < 1266804177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF I JUST TRY < 1266804181 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do you want to bet that I won't get my HW done? < 1266804191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horse whaling? < 1266804194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you can even whale a horse. < 1266804194 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: YOUR HOMEWORK < 1266804220 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@174-16-215-143.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266804898 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266804966 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266806017 0 :augur!~augur@c-68-54-80-152.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266806100 0 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-35-132.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1266806220 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1266806640 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is so tired
< 1266806650 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an exam tomorrow, and homework due tomorrow < 1266808351 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266808436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what time is it there? < 1266808447 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now, 10:13. < 1266808450 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PM < 1266808642 0 :bsmntbombdood_!~gavin@97-118-202-87.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266808645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:16 am here. I don't know when I have to be up, because the place is run by incompetent fools that do not tell you when they will arrive. < 1266808659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until the morning, that is; add a few hours to whatever they tell you, and that's when they'll arrive. < 1266808671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earliest I have to be up is probably 9:30, but I don't care. < 1266808799 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1266809225 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1266809990 0 :bsmntbombdood_!~gavin@97-118-170-56.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266810009 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1266810272 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1266811066 0 :bsmntbombdood_!~gavin@97-118-195-224.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266812426 0 :bsmntbombdood_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :bsmntbombdood < 1266812524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, so ends another week. < 1266812533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I believe, is the only one active, so... anything to say? < 1266812554 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope your situation improves soon. < 1266812564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny. So do I. :P < 1266812571 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266812581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, see you guys on Friday. < 1266812592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess one could say that this is the end of Dispatch 3, though I've never really thought of them as having endings per se. < 1266812603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a rather appropriately me-like thought to end my stay with. Bye! < 1266812607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266813006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1266813743 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-100-139.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266814917 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1266815007 0 :lament!~lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266817925 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1266818040 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1266818136 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266819176 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266821154 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1266821281 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266821449 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1266821468 0 :puzzlet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1266821469 0 :puzzlet!~puzzlet@wikipedia/PuzzletChung JOIN :#esoteric < 1266821988 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1266822138 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1266822156 0 :lament!~lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266822418 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1266823484 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr2.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266825087 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266825586 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266825599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1266825600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1266825873 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I will do anything (almost) for a new router. < 1266828225 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1266829403 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B132FA4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266829505 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1266830354 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1266831329 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1266832133 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1266832359 0 :scarf!~scarf@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266832404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes freefall isn't approaching a downer ending :(
< 1266832450 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: bye < 1266833370 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1266833386 0 :Pthing!~pthing@cpc2-pres4-0-0-cust265.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266833402 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GIGs minus the initial terminal in the push rule = turing complete < 1266833422 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should implement this < 1266834178 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1266834290 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266835400 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1266836598 0 :scarf_!~scarf@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266836607 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1266836617 0 :scarf_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :scarf < 1266837274 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: GIG? < 1266838295 0 :Pthing!~pthing@cpc2-pres4-0-0-cust265.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266838623 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266841201 0 :Asztal!~asztal@host86-166-170-102.range86-166.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266844026 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1266846827 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-11-203.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266847287 0 :scarf_!~93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/x-bgqbanvyibvvjbqd JOIN :#esoteric < 1266849540 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266850231 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1266850519 0 :scarf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can anyone here remember why Java has 13 months in a year? < 1266850522 0 :scarf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to know, but forgot < 1266850531 0 :scarf_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it may be something about lunar calendar compatibility, or something) < 1266850871 0 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-97.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1266850891 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266851065 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1266851408 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf_, discworld year? < 1266851427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, how many months was that < 1266851507 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld_%28world%29#Calendar < 1266851514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf_, clearly for compat with that :) < 1266851582 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when I googled I thought I would get an lspace link, but first hit was wikipedia, heh) < 1266851607 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Discworld_calendar seems somewhat more comprehensive though < 1266852379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, the Undecimber. < 1266852386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of explained in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undecimber < 1266852396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lunar calendar compatibility indeed. < 1266852432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You won't get the 13th month out of a Java Calendar object that's using the standard Gregorian calendar. < 1266852575 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1266852594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it also returns 12 if you ask for getMaximum(Calendar.MONTH). < 1266852932 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266853423 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is january 0? < 1266854765 0 :MissPiggy!~none@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1266855484 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1266856853 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1266857204 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1266857345 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1266857354 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1266857995 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266860148 0 :scarf_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1266860181 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266860268 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, TURT headings are counter clockwise right? < 1266860339 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1266860347 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-52-134.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1266861021 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266861169 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1266861535 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266861580 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-242-239.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1266861725 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-11-203.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266861809 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1266861909 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1266861959 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-212-31.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1266863187 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266863363 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1266863545 0 :Pthing!~pthing@cpc2-pres4-0-0-cust265.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266863548 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266863740 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1266863790 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes. "The first month of the year in the Gregorian and Julian calendars is JANUARY which is 0; the last depends on the number of months in a year." < 1266863832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why are they SHOUTING the name of the MONTH? < 1266863861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because in Java, CONSTANTS tend to be SHOUTED. < 1266863876 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but that seems so C PREPROCESSOR < 1266863880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than nice enums < 1266863883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1266863902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not nice enums, though; they're just integer constants. (Still, I think real enums get NOISY names too.) < 1266863917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't java have enums? < 1266863926 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but they were added in Java 1.5/5.0 or so. < 1266863931 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enums are fun < 1266863932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1266863938 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're basically static arrays of generic objects < 1266863941 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you just compare pointers < 1266863951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, wtf < 1266863959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not basically map to integers with type checking < 1266863960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're a lot more complicated than C enums, though, since you can defined methods and everything for "enum classes". < 1266864006 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :public enum InputFormat { BZIP2, GZIP, TTYREC, SCRIPT }; < 1266864014 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^-- an actual line of code from a Java program I'm writing < 1266864019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so they can be simple too. < 1266864040 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can define constructors, and then list arguments there in the list of enum values. < 1266864045 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, due to namespacing, you have to call the actual formats TtyrecAnalyzer.InputFormat.BZIP2 or whatever < 1266864115 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though erlang's record syntax (somewhat like struct) is noisy (one of the few things that irritate me with erlang), this is still a lot less code than would have been required in for example C: < 1266864120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add_circle(#turtle{pen=false}, Drawing = #drawing{}) -> < 1266864120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Drawing; < 1266864120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add_circle(#turtle{pos=Pos,colour=Colour, pen=true}, Drawing = #drawing{nodes=N}) -> < 1266864120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Circle={circle,Colour,Pos}, < 1266864120 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Drawing#drawing{nodes=[Circle|N]}. < 1266864137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that last one could be compressed to one line without causing much readability issues < 1266864142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, I have (stripping comments): public enum Side { BLUE, RED, NONE; public Side opposite() { if (this == BLUE) return RED; else if (this == RED) return BLUE; else return NONE; } } < 1266864156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That lets you say BLUE.opposite() or some-such. < 1266864173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he < 1266864174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh* < 1266864180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, in general, when you have a Side foo, foo.opposite(); I doubt BLUE.opposite() gets used much, since it's the same as RED.) < 1266864185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is NONE supposed to happen? < 1266864194 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, sometimes. < 1266864200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, such as? < 1266864203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used for the winner in a draw, and so on. < 1266864222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so blue and red indicates winner/looser? < 1266864231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're just the names of the sides. < 1266864245 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a blue player and a red player, and a getWinner() method that returns RED, BLUE or NONE (if draw). < 1266864245 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean like that < 1266864249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like winner = none < 1266864251 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1266864261 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still I like the way you SHOUT the sides < 1266864298 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also used by getOwner() for board squares part of the no man's land in the middle of the board (the game board is divided to three parts; home area of the blue player, home area of the red player, and the part in the middle owned by nobody.) < 1266864308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that thing < 1266864309 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1266864333 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm board < 1266864353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I will split you in three parts, then. < 1266864381 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1266864457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, karate style? < 1266864470 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or whoever it is that do that sort of stuff) < 1266864616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:41:55 even though erlang's record syntax (somewhat like struct) is noisy (one of the few things that irritate me with erlang), this is still a lot less code than would have been required in for example C: < 1266864620 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:42:00 add_circle(#turtle{pen=false}, Drawing = #drawing{}) -> < 1266864645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you make a record syntax _less_ noisy than that? it's almost the same format as haskell's... < 1266864662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you could lose the # < 1266864693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the constructors, you can do something like: public enum Foo { BAR(42, "pink"), BAZ(6667, "octarine"); public Foo(int price, String color) { this.price = price; this.color = color; } public int price; public String color; }; and then use BAR.price and BAZ.color around. < 1266864713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My only example for that sort of stuff is from the messy messy GUI parts of that game, and it's too messy to present here.) < 1266864928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : how do you make a record syntax _less_ noisy than that? it's almost the same format as haskell's... <-- it is? < 1266864928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1266864939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought haskell would have used something lean < 1266864940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1266864946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inferring what sort of record it was < 1266864961 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since for erlang it is basically a tagged tuple < 1266864970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turtle{pen=False} would be perfectly fine haskell < 1266864988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh haskell cannot do that because one data type can have several constructors < 1266865000 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PFH < 1266865024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with shared fields, as long as they are the same type < 1266865026 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well erlang record syntax checks that the first thing in the tuple is the correct atom (it should be the record type). < 1266865042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, anyway, you just did that there < 1266865047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Turtle{pen=False}" < 1266865065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you skipped what sort of record it was, didn't you? < 1266865074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, or do you make types upper case? < 1266865080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um Turtle is the data constructor < 1266865088 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, blink? < 1266865090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can be for only one data type < 1266865094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pattern matching < 1266865098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not constructing a new one < 1266865101 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ^ < 1266865116 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what was < 1266865122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : add_circle(#turtle{pen=false}, Drawing = #drawing{}) -> < 1266865132 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that bit is matching against the parameter < 1266865141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1266865143 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the longest registered MIME type is apparently "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml" < 1266865154 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, ms office related? < 1266865163 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, OOXML to be precise < 1266865166 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i think that would still be Turtle{pen=False} in haskell < 1266865169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsurprising < 1266865174 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a glossary inside a OOXML word document < 1266865186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, do they have a length limit? < 1266865195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed i think haskell lacks a way to not specify the data constructor there < 1266865198 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text is the ODF equivalent < 1266865201 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I suspect not < 1266865205 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on that monstrosity < 1266865285 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1266865357 0 :lament!~lament@S0106001b63f462cc.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266865384 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266865484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and here is a funny thing < 1266865494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inferred type spec for that function is: < 1266865496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-spec add_circle(#turtle{},#drawing{nodes::[{'circle',{_,_,_},{_,_}} | {'line',{_,_,_},[any()]}]}) -> #drawing{nodes::[{'circle',{_,_,_},{_,_}} | {'line',{_,_,_},[any()]}]}. < 1266865505 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using the dialyzer tool) < 1266865516 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can declare aliases thankfully < 1266865527 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that will end up relatively short when I write in what I want < 1266865604 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact: < 1266865606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-spec add_circle(turtle(),drawing()) -> drawing(). < 1266865619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway most of that type info is in the record definition already < 1266865657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text is the ODF equivalent <-- where does it say it's a glossary though? < 1266865705 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: it doesn't have a separate MIME type for glossaries < 1266865713 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be like, say, C having a separate MIME type for functions < 1266865780 0 :Pthing!~pthing@cpc2-pres4-0-0-cust265.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266865798 0 :amca!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: nap time < 1266865838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, AnMaster: RFC4288 ("Media Type Specifications and Registration Procedures"): 4.2. ("Naming Requirements"): "Type and subtype names MUST conform to the following ABNF: type-name = reg-name; subtype-name = reg-name; reg-name = 1*127reg-name-chars; ..." < 1266865841 0 :amca!~amca@CPE-121-208-82-97.cqzr1.cha.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1266865846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it has a length limit of 127 chars. < 1266865864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not strictly speaking part of the MIME spec, just the RFC that specifies what IANA wants to register, though. < 1266865887 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char[] x = "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml"; printf("%d",(int)sizeof c); < 1266865900 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1266865904 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1266865908 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char[] x = "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml"; printf("%d",(int)sizeof x); < 1266865909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char x[], you mean. < 1266865909 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1266865911 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did I do that? < 1266865918 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c char x[] = "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml"; printf("%d",(int)sizeof x); < 1266865919 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1266865922 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :85 < 1266865923 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been teaching Java all day < 1266865942 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the "application" and "vnd...+xml" are the "type" and "subtype" parts, so they both can be 127 characters. < 1266865990 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anything have anything but "text" or "application" as the type? < 1266865998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :image/png? < 1266866007 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, forgot about those < 1266866029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not do the obvious thing instead: < 1266866077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANA has defined seven top-level types: text, image, audio, video, application, multipart, message. < 1266866104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml"ad+y1-.a,@ < 1266866105 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :83 < 1266866118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1266866135 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the minus 1 was in error < 1266866138 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml"ad+y.a,@ < 1266866138 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :84 < 1266866151 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, still your char count includes an ending \0 I think < 1266866152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%d", (int)sizeof("application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml")); < 1266866153 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :85 < 1266866186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell length "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml" < 1266866187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the prefix of HackEgo? < 1266866187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the ending \0 is part of the length. < 1266866191 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot < 1266866195 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :84 < 1266866195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1266866196 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1266866203 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1266866204 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1266866218 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml" | wc -l < 1266866219 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1266866221 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1266866223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/ < 1266866223 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml" | wc -w < 1266866224 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? \ addquote \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ helpme \ imdb \ karma \ minifind \ paste \ ping \ quote \ rec \ runfor \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ unstr \ url \ wolfram < 1266866225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml" | wc -n < 1266866227 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1266866230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1266866234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1266866238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml" | wc -c < 1266866239 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? < 1266866239 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1266866239 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1266866240 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :84 < 1266866243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1266866252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one was which? < 1266866271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will NEVER know < 1266866275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1266866278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run them again < 1266866280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml" | wc -c < 1266866281 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :84 < 1266866286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml" | wc -n < 1266866287 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1266866290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml" | wc -l < 1266866291 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1266866297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml" | wc -w < 1266866298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266866298 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1266866312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost always use wc -l < 1266866317 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is why I forgot the other ones < 1266866323 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "NRTS"4(n"application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml"N.a,@ < 1266866323 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :84 < 1266866327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1266866336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the befunge solution I had was shortest so far < 1266866347 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why not use y (23) ? < 1266866351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for size of TOSS < 1266866356 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is faster too < 1266866367 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ul (84)S < 1266866375 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for function pointers, no need to actually count to a zero on stack < 1266866382 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (84)S < 1266866383 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :84 < 1266866384 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I win < 1266866386 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, shortest-non-cheating < 1266866388 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1266866405 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml"ad+y.@ < 1266866405 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :84 < 1266866425 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means, as little program code apart from the string as possible < 1266866429 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, anyway: < 1266866481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 c7*,@ < 1266866481 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T < 1266866484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1266866486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge98 c7*.@ < 1266866486 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :84 < 1266866487 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1266866491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, that is equally short < 1266866506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[>+<,]>-.!application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml < 1266866507 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T < 1266866516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't mind the encoding of the value as an ASCII char. < 1266866521 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I do mind that < 1266866524 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert it to integer < 1266866545 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that program would either be trivial, or fail utterly, in INTERCAL < 1266866554 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all known methods of representing strings require knowing their length in advance < 1266866573 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else just padding out a really large buffer < 1266866578 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of, like C without string literals < 1266866586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, doesn't that make intercal sub-bf-complete? < 1266866616 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1266866626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, then it must be possible in some way < 1266866634 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can emulate a Minsky machine and use that to store the strings < 1266866637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, anyway why not use some sort of tree structure? < 1266866644 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, ouch, it's easier just to calculate the length in advance < 1266866664 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is the minsky machine now again? < 1266866676 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bignum BF with a fixed-length tape < 1266866697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1266866714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, anyway why not use a tree structure of some sort to store them in intercal? < 1266866728 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course implementing such a tree structure would be horrible < 1266866735 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: have you ever /tried/ to do a tree structure in INTERCAL? < 1266866744 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only plausible method I can think of is encoding it into an array < 1266866755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, no. But my point is that once it is done it could be made into a library < 1266866766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :call it treelib.i or whatever < 1266866768 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the IANA mime type application form -- http://www.iana.org/cgi-bin/mediatypes.pl -- has the subtype field defined as so you couldn't have registered that thing with it. (Technically you get up to 64, because the "vnd." part is selected from a drop-down thing.) < 1266866804 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, edit the html code using something like firebug? < 1266866813 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see if the server handles the longer length < 1266866844 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it would be hilarious if Microsoft had done that. < 1266866865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that mime type registered though? < 1266866900 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't scarf say it was? < 1266866911 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw on a forum that it was < 1266866915 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Are arrays also fixed size in INTERCAL, or can they expand? < 1266866928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be. < 1266866929 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's like C; they're fixed-size upon creation, but you can create them dynamically as the program runs < 1266866936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/ is the definitive list. < 1266866937 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, k. < 1266866942 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you want a bigger array, you create a bigger array then copy your data into it < 1266866973 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a cap at 2^32 max size for any dimension, though; INTERCAL is TC, but not because of the arrays (you have to mess about with scoping to get TCness) < 1266867039 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: There are two other types that are equally long, though: "application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.pivotCacheDefinition+xml" and "vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.volatileDependencies+xml". < 1266867056 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, you actually checked? < 1266867057 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1266867062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, both are ooxml crap yeah < 1266867070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only checked the "application/" category, though. < 1266867103 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind-of shocked that you can just fill in a form to apply for a MIME type < 1266867141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ cat tmp.txt | awk '{print $1;}' | perl -ne 'print length($_), " $_";' | sort -nr | head < 1266867141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :73 vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document.glossary+xml < 1266867141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :73 vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.volatileDependencies+xml < 1266867141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :73 vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.pivotCacheDefinition+xml < 1266867141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :71 vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.presentationml.presentation.main+xml < 1266867142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :70 vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.pivotCacheRecords+xml < 1266867146 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the top-five. < 1266867157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, use cut for that < 1266867158 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not awk < 1266867161 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1266867164 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it all in awk < 1266867165 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is better < 1266867188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and can't you do that awk thing in perl anyway? < 1266867202 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, awk and perl in the same pipeline scores positive points in my book. < 1266867214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, it's like UUOC to me < 1266867225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk and sed would have been fine < 1266867235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably do the whole thing in awk, or in perl; it's just that I build my pipelines in stages. < 1266867235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed and perl... maaaaybe < 1266867254 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah but use the right tool for the job < 1266867268 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A subshell to compile and run a C program on the fly for one of the pipe stages would be the icing on the cake. < 1266867270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for just getting first field with no other processing: cut < 1266867277 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, XD < 1266867327 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would argue that for a one-off pipeline, the "right tool" is the one you can think of fastest. Anyway, cut fails because it generates loads of empty fields for consecutive delimiters, and those lines had a bit differing number of preceding whitespace in them. < 1266867349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1266867374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you download it as plain text? < 1266867402 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a copy-paste from a browser. < 1266867415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, yes, in this case awk '{print length($1)" "$1;}' would have made more sense. < 1266867434 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame the way I think. < 1266867469 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are those the longest MIME type names in there? < 1266867486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :longer if you include the application/ < 1266867513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the length limits are defined separately for the "application" part and that subtype part. < 1266867529 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess those are the longest in general, but I'll check the other top-level types too. < 1266867532 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But usually one won't see any "exotic" types. < 1266867550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Longest one in audio/ is "audio/vnd.sealedmedia.softseal.mpeg". < 1266867589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"image/vnd.sealedmedia.softseal.jpg" -- heh, sealedmedia is quite a leader in these. < 1266867609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"message/global-disposition-notification" < 1266867625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"model/vnd.parasolid.transmit.binary" < 1266867646 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"multipart/voice-message" < 1266867666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"text/vnd.net2phone.commcenter.command" < 1266867675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is sealedmedia? < 1266867688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it smells drm a long way away that name < 1266867690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"video/vnd.nokia.interleaved-multimedia" < 1266867696 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, Nokia slipped one in too < 1266867728 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The image/ one was actually a shared win with "vnd.sealedmedia.softseal.gif". < 1266867752 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are they repackaging file extensions that already exist as MIME types? < 1266867780 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has their DRM wrapper around it, I guess. < 1266867780 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embrayce and exshtend. < 1266867794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, googling indicates it is drm crap < 1266867797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oracle Information Rights Management (IRM, formerly SealedMedia) is a new form of information security technology that secures and tracks sensitive digital information everywhere it is stored and used." < 1266867811 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That WP clip starts like a press release/ad copy. < 1266867821 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did Oracle buy them? < 1266867824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conventional information management products only manage documents, emails and web pages while they remain stored within server-side repositories. Oracle Information Rights Management uses encryption to extend the management of information beyond the repository - to every copy of an organization's most sensitive information, everywhere it is stored and used - on end user desktops, laptops and mobile wireless devices, in other repositories, inside and outside t < 1266867824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he firewall." < 1266867828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And continues that way too. < 1266867840 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT IT I WANT IT < 1266867847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is there any advertisment template on it? < 1266867847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Oracle believes that cp does not exist. < 1266867848 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's to stop you juts taking a screenshot of these DRMed PNG files? < 1266867850 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just < 1266867852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not I suggest you put one there < 1266867856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Jack shit. < 1266867862 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, there doesn't seem to be. < 1266867869 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, add one then < 1266867869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Just listen to this: "Oracle Information Rights Management introduces some new elements into information workflows, such as encrypting ("sealing") and classifying documents, emails and web pages, and the requirement to install Oracle IRM Desktop agent software on every end user device on which sealed information is created or used. But the disruptions to existing workflows are sufficiently small, and the benefits so considerable, that information righ < 1266867869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ts management is now routinely being adopted by enterprises and government agencies worldwide to secure their most confidential information." < 1266867890 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blergh < 1266867906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's copy-paste directly from http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/content-management/irm/index.html < 1266867909 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1266867915 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: tag it copyvio < 1266867916 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :advertisment and a few more at least < 1266867927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, not advertisment? < 1266867928 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy way to get rid of a c&ped press release < 1266867931 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266867933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1266867936 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: you could use both, but copyvio's a /much/ more urgent tag < 1266867946 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, right < 1266867973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, definitely copyvio. < 1266867976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, both can't hurt! < 1266868044 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the history: if the page wasn't edited afterwards, {{db-copyvio|url=http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/content-management/irm/index.html}} should be the only tag you need if it's as blatant as that < 1266868120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it has two edits; one by DrilBot fixing two [[foo|foo]] links to just [[foo]], one "Removed category Information Rights Management (using HotCat)". < 1266868155 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither counts < 1266868167 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for preventing speedy copyvio, that is < 1266868224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll see if I can manage to successfully add that. Wikipedia makes me nervous, though. < 1266868238 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is hotcat? < 1266868244 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might get someone yelling at you for not warning the user in question < 1266868249 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: an interface to the category system < 1266868259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is db-copyvio btw? < 1266868263 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically a bit faster than typing out by hand < 1266868272 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: mentally read "db" as "delete because" < 1266868275 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, ah < 1266868281 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the implication that it should be deleted Right Now, thank you very much < 1266868292 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, I tried "database" and "decibel" < 1266868303 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither fitted :) < 1266868307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: The user in question seems to have disappeared; at least the user link is red, and his/her talk-page just has someone complaining about adding random links to the Information Management topics. < 1266868311 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it adds the page to one of the top-priority admin action categories < 1266868328 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fine, then you can warn them without worrying about getting a reply < 1266868338 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1266868350 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(something may be wrong with my reasoning here...) < 1266868472 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1266868487 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1266868610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone tell me if this logic is correct < 1266868611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is < 1266868615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm somewhat tired: < 1266868617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normalise_angle(Heading) when Heading < 0 -> < 1266868617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heading rem 360 + 360; < 1266868617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normalise_angle(Heading) -> < 1266868617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Heading rem 360. < 1266868636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heading is in degrees and is an integer < 1266868644 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: depends on what rem does < 1266868651 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is really hard to tell, as it differs from lang to lang < 1266868659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, reminder. Erlang's name for modulo < 1266868668 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with negative numbers, I mean; with positives, it's obvious) < 1266868673 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does rem handle signs? < 1266868678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1266868696 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> -301 rem 300. < 1266868697 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1266868709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2> -299 rem 300. < 1266868709 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-299 < 1266868724 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that answer the question? < 1266868729 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then your logic looks right to me. I'm tired too though :) < 1266868737 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, same here, and even same disclaimer < 1266868740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, also I don't know if this is specified < 1266868748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if it just happens to be that way < 1266868752 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not specified you're better off avoiding it < 1266868753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that C99 modulo? < 1266868757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we have a Scheme interpreter here? < 1266868765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, try #irp < 1266868766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1266868767 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while x < 0 x += 360 < 1266868784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, efunge is bignum < 1266868787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could take some time < 1266868832 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you anticipating having to normalize 10^61 ? :) < 1266868834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it would have to be tail recursive < 1266868841 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, 10^-61 maybe < 1266868845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1266868849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-10^61 < 1266868850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1266868852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1266868856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but yes, it might happen < 1266868859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 % would indeed give -1 there. < 1266868861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I want it to work smoothly < 1266868903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I meant was that if it's not defined, you're taking your chances. If you want to ensure correctness you'll need to compute remainder yourself somehow. < 1266868929 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever "correctness" means w.r.t. Befunge-98, given my sloppy spec :) < 1266868936 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why couldn't the degrees be a power of two < 1266868947 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then some tricky bitshifting would have solved it < 1266868970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, anyway I assume TURT is counter clockwise like the normal math notation? < 1266868972 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99's % is defined so that (a/b)*b + a%b == a as long as a/b is representable. And / truncates towards zero, so (-301/300)*300 = (-1)*300 = -300, and from -300 + x = -301 → x = -1. < 1266868997 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: sounds like a reasonable assumption. It wasn't intended to be evilly weird... < 1266869016 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1266869031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, well the fact that it is global "To keep this fingerprint tame, a single Turtle and display is defined to be shared amongst all IP's. The turtle is not defined to wrap if it goes out of bounds (after all this interface might just as well be used to drive a real turtle robot.) " < 1266869040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really makes it very feral < 1266869045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a efunge point of view < 1266869049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tame for cfunge of course < 1266869064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite hilarious that per-ip state is trivial in efunge but somewhat messier in cfunge < 1266869070 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reverse applies for global state < 1266869103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a _real_ turtle robot would wrap after 40000000 m < 1266869107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, btw if it isn't counter-clockwise both me and Deewiant will personally murder you, same for a few other funge authors I suspect < 1266869111 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it would? < 1266869121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh going around earth < 1266869122 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1266869126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, approximately < 1266869126 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: beautiful < 1266869135 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: exactly by the original definition of a metre < 1266869137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but the cable wouldn't be long enough < 1266869138 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming it can travel through oceans safely. < 1266869139 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the definition has since changed < 1266869143 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's a turtle, it can swim < 1266869152 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: Indeed. < 1266869175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, which one is turtle and which one is tortoise? They have the same name in Swedish < 1266869179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this always confuses me < 1266869197 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does the real turtle robot also actually teleport on the T command, instead of just boringly moving without the pen down? < 1266869215 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tortoises, like porpoises, live in water < 1266869225 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which is the porpoise and which is the dolphin? < 1266869230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1266869249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on the variant of English. < 1266869252 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, btw, how is the pen colour and paper colour supposed to work for real turtle bots? < 1266869258 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would they have ink mixers in them? < 1266869274 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is lying. ban him! < 1266869287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1266869290 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tortoises or land turtles are land-dwelling reptiles of the family of Testudinidae, ..." < 1266869290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :British English calls them turtles if they live at sea, terrapins if they live in fresh or brackish water, and tortoises if they live on land. < 1266869293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says wikipedia < 1266869298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1266869300 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also says < 1266869302 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This article is in need of attention from an expert on the subject. WikiProject Tree of Life may be able to help recruit one. (November 2008)" < 1266869310 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the "clear with color" command on a real turtle bot will paint the whole earth with that color. < 1266869319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try not to paint everything pink. < 1266869320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hehe < 1266869327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ultramarine? < 1266869330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i sincerely doubt it's particular piece of information they need an expert for < 1266869335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it's that < 1266869335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :American English calls them turtles if they live in water, turtles or tortoises if they live on land, and terrapins if they're the diamondback terrapin. < 1266869351 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't know about "normal math notation", but in navigation, headings go up clockwise, not counter-clockwise. < 1266869393 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no < 1266869394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you know around the unit circle? < 1266869398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, but the cable wouldn't be long enough <-- sheesh AnMaster, this is the wireless age < 1266869398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: On the other hand, you have query heading return "0=east", which sounds more like the "normal math notation". < 1266869406 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the drawings made by one TURT will be inverted by another TURT. < 1266869409 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chaos will ensue. < 1266869417 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you have ops, you can ban me < 1266869420 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, quite < 1266869427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it were "navigationary", you'd think that 0=north. < 1266869433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes < 1266869436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that isn't the cas < 1266869438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case* < 1266869443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says 0deg = east < 1266869445 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the spec < 1266869451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey, btw, how is the pen colour and paper colour supposed to work for real turtle bots? < 1266869464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bodily fluid variations. aren't you glad you asked? < 1266869475 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, turtle *bots* < 1266869477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not turtles < 1266869477 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, 0=east strongly implies whoever wrote that was thinking of the unit circle, trig, and all that. Not aircraft navigation. < 1266869478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_ < 1266869479 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1266869480 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The freak. < 1266869500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, if it was aircraft navigation it would be using nautical miles < 1266869504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the distances < 1266869517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, also where is my ILS glideslope :( < 1266869519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boring. < 1266869526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For really big turtle bots, maybe one pixel equals one nautical mile. < 1266869540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that doesn't even work for mine. I render to svg < 1266869542 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sblooosh, goes the paint. < 1266869565 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, one square nautical mile? Or do we use non-square pixels? < 1266869572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much paint would it take to paint a square nautical mile of seawater, say, pink? < 1266869575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: no i don't have ops < 1266869612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: -ChanServ- 5 oerjan +votsriRfA [modified 2 days, 22:50:33 ago] < 1266869614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless someone forgot to tell me < 1266869615 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You certainly seem to have. < 1266869616 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no clue < 1266869631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does the colour mix in water? < 1266869639 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1266869641 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it float on top and try in the sun? < 1266869644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone else has "[modified ? ago]". < 1266869646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes mad with power
< 1266869648 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i forgot to tell you. < 1266869661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, doesn't you have ability to edit access list too? < 1266869666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there is +f there < 1266869680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only thing you are lacking seems to be +F < 1266869684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(founder access) < 1266869704 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need whatshisname for that. < 1266869709 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the founder. < 1266869721 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good grief. i seem to have achieved powers i don't even understand. < 1266869722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, well of course < 1266869722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Isn't that "whatshisface"? < 1266869748 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "andreou" says the access list < 1266869750 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i dunno, are they the same person? < 1266869763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, may this person also be known as "andreou"? < 1266869769 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1266869775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Information on andreou (account andreou): < 1266869775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Last seen : (about 39 weeks ago) < 1266869776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1266869782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and registered in 2003 < 1266869794 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very early on freenode iirc < 1266869795 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an old channel < 1266869798 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walks with a limp < 1266869803 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode was called openprojects back then < 1266869811 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that old? heh < 1266869812 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walks with a limp, talks with a lisp < 1266869821 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Information on lament (account lament): < 1266869822 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Registered : Jan 03 01:33:46 2003 (7 years, 7 weeks, 3 days, 18:42:45 ago < 1266869834 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, only a few minutes after andreou registered his nick < 1266869843 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how he got founder :) < 1266869847 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1266869861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know you went back that far < 1266869880 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh fizzie beats you both < 1266869885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Information on fizzie (account fizzie): < 1266869885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Registered : Sep 23 06:08:22 2002 (7 years, 22 weeks, 0 days, 14:09:05 ago) < 1266869886 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It's merely been about 5 years since I registered. < 1266869887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2002! < 1266869891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but I joined after lament. < 1266869899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Information on AnMaster (account AnMaster): < 1266869899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- Registered : Dec 26 16:35:03 2005 (4 years, 8 weeks, 3 days, 03:42:46 ago) < 1266869899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1266869916 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: On the other hand, I have no idea what sort of channels I might have been on openprojects before #esoteric. < 1266869924 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been around longer than AnMaster? Hah. < 1266869927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq registered about half a year before < 1266869928 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was on the network before, just didn't need to register before #esoteric < 1266869928 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1266869932 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I was on efnet before < 1266869938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amongst other places < 1266869946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And why do I have Kial registered to my account? < 1266869955 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see that < 1266869966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, strange < 1266869983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh ais/scarf is new here < 1266869987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007 < 1266869995 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yep < 1266870002 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the wiki ages before I found the IRC channel < 1266870012 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, but wasn't I in this channel like in late 2006? < 1266870019 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you joined *after* me? < 1266870020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth < 1266870031 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- cpressey is not registered. < 1266870035 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I first came here, my only IRC client was Chatzilla running inside Mozilla (not even Firefox) on an ancient SunOS box which only had CDE, via X forwarding < 1266870042 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey! know what to do when he next disconnects? < 1266870045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs
< 1266870072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, I have a vague memory of you mentioning that < 1266870080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, but what terminal were you using? < 1266870088 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xterm, I think < 1266870093 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1266870099 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Exceed < 1266870100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, terminal as in system to access it < 1266870102 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Weird. My oldest log dir for freenode seems to have only #esoteric in it, starting on Mon Dec 09 07:24:10 2002; what on earth have I been doing from Sep 23, 2002 to Dec 09, 2002... < 1266870104 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running on Windows < 1266870105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware terminal < 1266870107 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, oh? < 1266870112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is exceed? < 1266870115 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: all the computers were running Windows < 1266870120 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems to do X forwarding < 1266870123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, apart from that sunos box < 1266870128 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the X servers for Windows, isn't it? < 1266870133 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among winaXe and such. < 1266870135 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, as in, Exceed is a Windows X client < 1266870140 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you forward to < 1266870145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, what? < 1266870152 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so things happen on the server, they come up in your Exceed window < 1266870152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't x clients the application programs? < 1266870162 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, kind of like vnc? < 1266870163 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, X gets the terminology backwards like that. < 1266870164 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm confused < 1266870166 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: very like vnc < 1266870177 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you run on your system, and which shows the windows on your screen, is the X server. < 1266870181 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1266870188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, x clients = application programs. X server = the Xorg program or such < 1266870188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the apps, which you run on a remote server (possibly), are clients. < 1266870194 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which draws to hardware < 1266870213 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1266870222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, I thought this was well known < 1266870226 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "the x server" < 1266870233 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the typical name of it < 1266870240 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when talking < 1266870252 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed that that would be what was running on the SunOS server actually doing the forwarding < 1266870253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We got a copy of the I-think-it-costs-money-in-general WinaXe on the "new student CD" of the university; there was some sort of a campus license agreement. < 1266870269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, the forwarding.. well that is a tricky issue < 1266870289 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when was that? < 1266870302 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X reminds me of Java, they both have infinity layers of abstraction to make absolutely sure you can do anything, but have no idea how < 1266870303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: 2003 is when I started. < 1266870316 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1266870376 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: The section about the X Window System in the UHH is definitely fun reading. < 1266870377 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems they've been keeping the license thing going; the computing centre web pages have a use-your-service-password-to-login link to WinaXe plus 8.4. I assume it must cost money, since they have it password-protected. < 1266870394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1266870417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have a free license for "Comsol Multiphysics 3.5a (Windows, Linux, Mac)", some sort of partial differential equation numerical solver package. < 1266870418 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole UHH is fun reading < 1266870438 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the UHH? < 1266870452 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIX-HATERS Handbook < 1266870473 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1266870478 0 :Pthing!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266870484 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they hate all other OSes too? or just UNIX in particular? < 1266870496 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't know of it? < 1266870496 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just POSIXy ones? < 1266870499 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't < 1266870502 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a classic < 1266870503 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_UNIX-HATERS_Handbook < 1266870509 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember having heard of it now I've seen the name < 1266870528 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf is the whole thing < 1266870547 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, as a member of the university faculty, you can buy Windows 7 Ultimate for 20 eur? I didn't know that. < 1266870558 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads
< 1266870576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, while students can get it for free using MSDNAA? < 1266870581 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Microsoft's general strategy on Windows is to price it ridiculously high, then give a massive discount to anyone who might plausibly buy it < 1266870595 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: MSDNAA tends to only be for engineering and computer science students < 1266870602 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, people who might plausibly go into programming < 1266870613 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see < 1266870626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, oh btw what about OEM for windows? < 1266870631 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they get it really cheap? < 1266870649 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: depends on the sort of computer, I think < 1266870656 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard a while back that it's $6 on netbooks < 1266870661 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably to compete with Linux < 1266870665 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know for certain that that's true < 1266870674 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely to be much much cheaper than the retail version, at least < 1266870688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf is the whole thing <-- that pdf index is confusing. Page 8 is befoge page 4 in the side bar < 1266870700 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means the selection jumps about when you scroll < 1266870709 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: hey, if you typo "befoge", "befunge" starts to seem more plausible < 1266870720 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf, "befoge"? < 1266870728 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: read your own comment < 1266870745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266870747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before < 1266870755 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befoge < 1266870763 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see how close they are on qwerty < 1266870772 0 :gm|lap!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1266870779 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all that close < 1266870787 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a knight's-move < 1266870797 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that far < 1266870891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sell the OEM versions of Windows in the local computers-parts place(s); in theory I guess they would sell those only if you buy enough parts that they plausibly constitute a new computer, but I've heard that's not very rigorously enforced. < 1266870918 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course the "retail OEM" thing is probably much more expensive than what a real OEM with a Real Deal would get. < 1266871016 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The documentation and such is a bit OEM-oriented, though. I helped a friend to build his box and install win7 on it; technically speaking I am now bound to provide tech support for him with a "competitive price" that is "not higher than those I charge from my other clients". < 1266871031 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I happened to be the one to unwrap the box, and those were part of the license papers. < 1266871056 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also required me to plant that ugly sticker somewhere visible on the computer. < 1266871160 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you? < 1266871218 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I, uh... no comments, someone from Microsoft might be reading. Let's just say I tried, but I might have missed the case by a metre or so. < 1266871229 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you'd be evasive. < 1266871240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1266871245 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, Win7 Pro UK retail in this shop is 293.90 eur, the corresponding OEM version is 136.90 eur. < 1266871299 0 :Microsfot!~RawIRC@65.183.185.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266871304 0 :Microsfot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We heard that. < 1266871305 0 :Microsfot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1266871322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They certainly are everywhere. < 1266871365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did promise I'd accept tech support queries over IRC with a very reasonable rate, though. < 1266871365 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Williamsburg, at least. < 1266871375 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you got many? < 1266871396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None so far, in fact. Must be that Windows 7 is just so good. < 1266871409 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be, could be. < 1266871419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm trying to give some praise so that they'd forgive that whole sticker thing.) < 1266871480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it's not your fault that you stumbled and fell with the sticker into the trash can < 1266871484 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Windows 7 /is/ supposedly good. < 1266871495 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: meh, it's just better than Vista < 1266871508 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and IMO, Vista was better than XP < 1266871527 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is Windows 7 worse than? < 1266871546 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I started using them, I've had fewer problems with Windows 7 than I've had with Python. < 1266871552 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apples, oranges, whatever. < 1266871557 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1266871584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Actually I had the sticker ready for planting, and then I just accidentally got it stuck to the plastic bag the installation DVD and booklets were in. They're still in the same apartment as the computer, it's not that far off the mark. < 1266871769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1266871805 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Microsoft licencing can be so fu < 1266871807 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fun < 1266871813 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, the sticker seems to be on the bottom of this netbook < 1266871903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were some detailed instructions on where you were allowed to stick the sticker in, but I've forgotten them. < 1266871911 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bottom seems to be popular with laptops, understandably. < 1266871925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scarf: _interesting_ freudian keyboard slip there < 1266871935 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Interesting_ indeed < 1266871958 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I have a spare Windows 98 sticker somewhere < 1266871964 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I managed to peel off the computer it was originally stuck to < 1266871976 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite all the security flanges to stop you doing that < 1266872120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that you were sort-of technically allowed to move even an OEM license from one computer to another, with some added restrictions and bureaucracy. < 1266872214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interwebs seem to suggest otherwise, but that was just on some "explaining Microsoft licensing to normal people" page. < 1266872262 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266872271 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One main difference is that an OEM operating system license (such as the license for Windows) cannot be transferred from its original PC to another PC", says Education Operating System Licensing Q&A from Microsoft directly. I guess it's Not Possible(tm), then. < 1266872304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, if you change one component at a time, at what time does it cease to be the "original PC"? < 1266872339 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a Windows install tell me "TOO MANY PARTS ARE DIFFERENT!!!" after I upgraded some card or other, once. < 1266872373 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It made me re-enter the reg key or something, I forget. < 1266872435 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does that reactivation thing, or so I hear. I wonder if it's possible to reactivatate an OEM license like that. < 1266872435 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard it was tied to the motherboard, but I could well be thinking of a different version of windows. < 1266872440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That claim is perjury. < 1266872443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctrine of first sale. < 1266872488 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctrine of Microsoft sending assault troopers in black helicopters if you try to argue. < 1266872505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Microsoft has no assault troopers. < 1266872511 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're probably thinking of Blackwater. < 1266872553 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, they even have a justification for being motherboard-bound. < 1266872568 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Microsoft needed to have one base component "left standing" that would still define that original PC. Since the motherboard contains the CPU and is the "heart and soul" of the PC, when the motherboard is replaced (for reasons other than defect) a new PC is essentially created." < 1266872578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The heart and soul! < 1266872584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1266872603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The motherboard does not contain a CPU, it contains a bus to which a CPU is attached... < 1266872624 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To contain: to be capable of holding < 1266872629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe if you hit the old one with a hammer, and therefore have to replace it because of a defect, there's no problem there. < 1266872729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Being old is a defect. < 1266872733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1266872772 0 :scarf!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266872860 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot, encoding lurks dark corners. Only when the rain, ever to go with no throughput that I could see? < 1266872866 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1266872869 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: such are the difficulties of adjudication were great; i think insuperable. whatever acuteness and diligence could do has been done. i have never made a speech, the bishop of st fnord stood rows of eager spectators. it is the only school which they are composed, according to your discretion; no man can estimate the amount of fnord delight and instruction which, perhaps, at the full fnord tide of your favour," said mrs < 1266872886 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bishop of st fnord sounds like a cool guy < 1266873105 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilari: cfg's + a global control stack < 1266873157 0 :Pthing!~pthing@cpc2-pres4-0-0-cust265.pres.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266873278 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266873717 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :letrec a = a in a < 1266873774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that? < 1266873792 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. Some functional pseudocode. < 1266873810 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you s/letrec/let/ it would be haskell < 1266873838 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I used parens instead of = and in, it would be Scheme. < 1266873873 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Got URL where it is described? < 1266873891 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why yes, i do! < 1266873901 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let haskell = haskell in haskell where produc [1..n] < 1266873911 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a look at this wikipedia page that i created http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_index_grammar < 1266873912 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266873922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: nope < 1266873974 0 :MissPiggy!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks really nice augur I like these diagrams < 1266873983 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which diagrams < 1266874040 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like music < 1266874053 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#fff - sharp fortissimo < 1266874061 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sounds really bad) < 1266874101 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1266874109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1266874110 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches* ss wp youtube < 1266874129 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style speeches < 1266874129 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg) < 1266874131 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266874140 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1266874141 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1266874145 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hi there fungot < 1266874146 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: to the northwest of this cape. he took back the medal from the frog king. and i'd like to see that mystical sword for myself! geez! the king does not wish! we shall hold this position to the last man! big fire where lavos fall from sky! we no can call that the chrono trigger. it is r66-y? cool? who knows what would become of my mystics? i must win! < 1266874163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that sword? < 1266874243 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That #fff reminds me, I saw a modern production of Berlioz's "Damnation of Faust" the other day. In the opening scene, Dr. Faust was sitting at what looked like an Apple ][, with some esolang-output/trace-looking-stuff flickering on the wall behind him. < 1266874269 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: are you in vancouver? < 1266874277 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: No. < 1266874304 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I are in the US. < 1266874331 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1266874580 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where I am, at present, trying to understand some "clever" Python code. And failing. < 1266874612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It alone can't stop. < 1266874642 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm guessing it's talking about the masamune, because that's the most well-known mystical sword. I could be wrong, though. < 1266874702 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266874726 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well iirc so < 1266874747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why didn't the king wish btw? < 1266874748 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i shall help also. you must return to us, the chancellor's a decent man. why, this is for you guys are a lot! the hero has made the epoch, your wings! now this is a way to the ocean palace! and if you wish! we shall hold this position to the last man! big fire where lavos fall from sky! we no can call you " knight cyrus fell while protecting our kingdom from magus. i'd stay away! < 1266874760 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part "took back .. for myself!" is a direct quotation. < 1266874790 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, from what scene? < 1266874803 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From when Cyrus leaves, in Frog's flashback. < 1266874831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266874840 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, but what about the sword? < 1266874841 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: frog will do. the king fought the mystics over 400 long years. when will it be the reptites, or you silly apes who end up ruling the world?? < 1266874851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, fss, do that repeat < 1266874852 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: as long as you keep crono in your heart, the day of lavos"... go to " leene square" 1000 a.d.? yes, i'd have done something very brave! he's probably up north, to guardia!!! let's toast our land! now we'll have some peace! magus is a tad on the spooky side. our only hope. < 1266874855 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1266874926 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the King part is from "The King does not wish to see anybody", with the ! from something like "They must have a death wish!" < 1266874958 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Can the sword alone stop it? < 1266874959 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there! there it is! but by the time we're through with you, you'll be in danger. open hatch. you must return to us, the chancellor's a decent man. why, this is for you guys are a lot! the hero has made the epoch, your wings! now this is a treasure there... found the treasure!! probably filled with mystical forest powers. we are immortal! we shall hold this position to the last man! big fire where lavos fall from sky! we < 1266874964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, it can? < 1266874965 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: we are looking to achieve a shorter life span... lavos will rule the world in a mere door that keeps us bound, hand, foot...and tongue kid? ...oh, it's you, isn't this morbid? the great adventurer toma levine rests in a grave to the north. it's a great place for a picnic! heard that magus's statue before my shift. i hate! ayla not like... < 1266874980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1266874982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't true < 1266874988 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the hero has made the epoch, your wings!" < 1266875005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should stick in the "use the previous line as the intial context", that'd make it easier to get the repepepetitition. < 1266875008 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was that guy in the future who did < 1266875009 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1266875028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the wings were added by Dalton in 12000 BC Zeal. < 1266875038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you remembered the name? < 1266875042 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1266875044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it was added buy that other guy < 1266875047 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in past < 1266875048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Dalton, after all. < 1266875094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm? < 1266875103 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's such a flashy guy, easy to remember. < 1266875104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot who that guy was, some boss < 1266875111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likes the sound of his own name, too. < 1266875127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bow, and pay homage to our new liege, King Dalton! -- The old crone and the pesky Gurus are gone. I now rename Zeal, the Kingdom of Dalton!" < 1266875128 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1266875134 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny in Swedish < 1266875137 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that name < 1266875147 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dalton → dalta < 1266875185 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what it is in English < 1266875186 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1266875193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiktionary gives it as < 1266875202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" 1. coddle excessively; pamper" < 1266875204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dalta vb itr, dalta med ngn klema coddle (mollycoddle, pamper) sb; kela pet (fondle) sb" says our Swedish-English dictionary. < 1266875224 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :klema indeed < 1266875225 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("MOT Norstedts stora engelska ordbok 1.0") < 1266875234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huh 1.0? < 1266875250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they came in like "1995 edition" < 1266875259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "seventh edition" < 1266875263 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in version numbers < 1266875399 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: probably related to English "dote" ? < 1266875418 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, not sure what that is? < 1266875422 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dote-matrix printers? < 1266875427 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1266875441 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.to bestow or express excessive love or fondness habitually (usually fol. by on or upon): They dote on their youngest daughter. < 1266875453 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from dictionary.com < 1266875467 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't aware of the other 2 meanings it gives < 1266875483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, and those are? < 1266875500 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. to show a decline of mental faculties, esp. associated with old age. 3. decay of wood. < 1266875760 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1266875784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't double sided printing be easy < 1266875821 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the web versions have version numbers. I don't know. < 1266875836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah could be < 1266875851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, doesn't those cost? < 1266875859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of yearly thing or such < 1266875863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MOT Norstedts stora engelska ordbok 1.0 < 1266875863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I denna tredje upplaga av Norstedts stora svensk-engelska ordbok har ca 6 000 aktuella ord och fraser lagts till. Dessutom har nya betydelser lagts till på befintliga uppslagsord, och innehållet har reviderats och moderniserats. -- Stockholm i maj 2000" < 1266875867 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is from 2000. < 1266875880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do, we have access via the university proxy though. < 1266875918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1266875987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be a "netmot foo" command-line shortcut on the standard shell server -- it used lynx --dump, IIRC -- though I think that's broken right now, there's been some URL changes now that this is the Wave University. < 1266875995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw my printer has reported that the black ink is almost used up for about a month now. During that time I printed around 200 pages of written text I think < 1266876004 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how it calculates < 1266876079 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tries to maximize profit to the printer manufacturer without *completely* lying. < 1266876094 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1266876096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a HP < 1266876104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful linux support there though < 1266876125 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better linux drivers by far than the windows drivers < 1266876130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all features supported of course < 1266876148 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is semi-official help from HP with those drivers even < 1266876180 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hplip isn't it called that? < 1266876518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they're "wonderful" nowadays? I think at some point in time they were a horrible binary blob. But I could be wrong. (I've usually just used the free alternatives.) < 1266876581 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's Lexmark's binary horribleness I'm thinking about. < 1266876601 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they are open source < 1266876605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the thing about them < 1266876620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hplip is open source and works very very wekk < 1266876623 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well* < 1266876634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be so. < 1266876639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never got my old lexmark printer/scanner/copier to work well under linux < 1266876644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it wasn't even detected < 1266876646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was ages ago < 1266876649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm pretty sure it was HP who bundled the whole Apache Tomcat with their Windows drivers just to show some printer statistics control panel tab. < 1266876657 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly before first ubuntu version even < 1266876669 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was on SuSE < 1266876673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(heh) < 1266876689 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and yes hp's windows drivers suck a lot < 1266876708 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while on linux it just works (remember to turn off the tray icon thingy though) < 1266876719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but once you do that it doesn't show up again) < 1266876731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have (well, technically speaking my wife has) a Lexmark E232 model-cheapo B&W laser printer, which works pretty well with CUPS + gutenprint's "Generic PCL 6/PCL XL printer" drivers. < 1266876740 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the app doesn't seem to auto start at all :) < 1266876765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this is a printer/scanner/copier thingy though < 1266876775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those are always messier. < 1266876784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and laser printers are always easier < 1266876791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are generally postscript aren't they? < 1266876802 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while inkjet... are not < 1266876858 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheap laser printers typically aren't postscript. < 1266876867 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like this one. < 1266876883 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite many (like this) support the very much simpler PCL language, though. < 1266876900 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCL, incidentally, is a HP thing. < 1266876904 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1266876908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well okay < 1266876913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still somewhat standard then < 1266876952 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and the only postscript printers I have had to deal with have been monster things where you log in on the printer afterwards to print your buffered document < 1266876959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they have those at our university) < 1266876966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and pseudo printers of course < 1266876970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for pdf conversion < 1266876988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think our printers support that sort of stuff too, but no-one uses those features, and I'm not sure they'd work anyway. < 1266877005 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they aren't optional at our university < 1266877038 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A LaserJet 5200 is the one I usually print to at work. < 1266877052 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a LaserJet... 4650?, when colors are needed. < 1266877063 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway, they have paper sorter and automatic < 1266877067 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1266877071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least some of them do < 1266877081 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, those get pretty complicated. < 1266877083 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hole-punch" < 1266877087 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, no? < 1266877097 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"staple"? < 1266877098 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that for putting in binders < 1266877100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, right < 1266877105 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it, staple < 1266877109 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1266877141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At my civil service place all large print jobs were printed to the copy machine, which also was a horrible monstrosity with all kinds of "which parts of the paper you want stapled" options. < 1266877150 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there are rumored to be colour printers at university (according to printer selection window). I have yet to successfully locate where they are physically located. < 1266877169 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, civil service? < 1266877171 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1266877177 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The army alternative. < 1266877187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have värnplikt there still? < 1266877207 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Civiltjänst? < 1266877214 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if it means what I think it does. < 1266877215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right. Sounds exotic < 1266877225 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't you use that dict < 1266877231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can I say? We're a bit traditionalists. < 1266877318 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, there is an even larger printer monster with automatic paper feed for copying kind of thing at one place at the university < 1266877321 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, I was doing desktop publishing work for Brottspåföljdssektorns utbildningscentral (the new name; I'm not sure what the old one was in Swedish) for a year. < 1266877326 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the other one actually has that < 1266877351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what the heck do they do. I can read each part of that < 1266877358 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I (first) went to university, there was a big ol' daisywheel line printer named "R5"... loud enough that it was housed in a room by itself. < 1266877365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can only hazard a guess that it is related to crime < 1266877378 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so bureaucratic opaque < 1266877393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you are older than us < 1266877394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1266877396 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They arrange the training you need if you want to work in a prison, basically. And some other criminology-as-a-study related stuff. < 1266877397 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, when was that < 1266877405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right; the printers. Our place has some for-students color printers in a separate room; you print things there, then collect them from the "printouts desk" and pay for it. (Black-and-white stuff is free.) < 1266877410 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And the university was a bit behind the times at the time, yes :) < 1266877424 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, around when was it? late 1980? < 1266877426 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Early nineties. < 1266877430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1266877455 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not *that* old :) < 1266877460 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, we get to pay for both and have some sort of printer account thingy < 1266877481 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot how many pages I have left on it < 1266877485 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very rarely print there though < 1266877512 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inkjet at home probably costs less in practise < 1266877528 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laser at home would be better < 1266877543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I worked out a how to correctly do double sided printing :D < 1266877611 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"odd pages, reverse order", put them in with the bottom at the page towards you, text facing up (it's one of those printers with the tray below where the printer comes out). Then "even pages, usual order" < 1266877618 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse order is the one where the first page ends up at the top < 1266877652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Our B&W printing policy is "please don't use huge amounts of resources, because if you do, then we're going to have to start enforcing quotas here, and that'll make no-one happy". < 1266877676 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, normal (for completely unfathomable reasons) is the one where you have to reverse the order of the printed out pages < 1266877684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not make the other the default < 1266877688 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would make more sense < 1266877733 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a (non-free) a-bit-wider-than-A0 no-real-limit-for-length,-it's-a-huge-roll poster-printer available for students, too. But that one was pretty expensive. < 1266877735 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have yet to see a printer designed so that the pages end up in the right order when you print in the non-reversed order < 1266877747 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266877747 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, colour? < 1266877752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so. < 1266877766 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that kind of printers are pretty fancy yeah < 1266877780 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The print queue is called "mankeli" (Finnish for sv:mangel). < 1266877784 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it looks like one, too. < 1266877787 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1266877821 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate mankeli < 1266877827 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var sl_select, tl_select, web_sl_select, web_tl_select;var ctr, web_ctr, h;var tld = ".com";var sug_lab = "";var sug_thk = "";var sug_exp = "";var dhead = "Dictionary";var dmore = "View detailed dictionary";var tr_in = "Translating...";var isurl = "";var show_roman = "Show romanization";var < 1266877830 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes < 1266877846 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto fi en mankeli < 1266877848 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mangle < 1266877862 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the printers at my uni are called "followme" usually because they are supposed to point to the nearest printer of the selected color-or-b&w-nsss < 1266877865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ness* < 1266877866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. mangle -- (clothes dryer for drying and ironing laundry by passing it between two heavy heated rollers) < 1266877866 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1266877868 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that sense. < 1266877869 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266877870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually they don't < 1266877878 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to go figure out where the heck the printer is < 1266877881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(never near you) < 1266877906 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, #!/bin/cat? < 1266877921 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ...? < 1266877930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : `translate mankeli < 1266877930 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : var sl_select, tl_select, [...] < 1266877944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked like it catted the source code? < 1266877957 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeaaaaah no. < 1266877957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`type translate < 1266877958 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1266877962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1266877963 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1266877963 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/translate < 1266877964 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ translateto "en $1" < 1266877972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type translate < 1266877973 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translate is /tmp/hackenv.28858/bin/translate < 1266877987 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file bin/translate < 1266877988 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/translate: Bourne-Again shell script text executable < 1266877993 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, then why that strange output above < 1266878009 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A) That's JAVASCRIPT code from translate.google.com < 1266878013 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1266878018 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) They keep changing their output, and I can't keep up. < 1266878044 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, looked slightly like perl + var to me < 1266878065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is probably some Acme module for that < 1266878070 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a bunch of variable assignments? :P < 1266878081 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acme::Javascript? < 1266878114 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yes < 1266878118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specs say mankeli's a HP DesignJet 2500CP; "600 DPI, 60 LPI", but I think that LPI value is a typo, since all specs in the web talk about "true 600 DPI". And the print queue is moderated; you have to call/email them before any submitted jobs are processed. (Presumably because they don't want a 87 cm wide and 10 metres long picture of a human penis come out of it unannounced.) < 1266878133 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, LPI? < 1266878141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lines per inch. < 1266878166 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's pretty small text < 1266878188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1266878222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway, what sort of lines are those < 1266878278 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lines of points? LPI's just the "vertical resolution" there, while DPI's the horizontal (across-paper) one. But I really think they both are actually 600 points per inch. < 1266878291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The printing seems to cost 20 eur/metre, on the 90 cm wide paper. < 1266878306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's expensive < 1266878312 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+22 % value added tax. < 1266878320 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that was without tax? < 1266878324 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh < 1266878326 0 :ttm_!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1266878334 0 :ttm_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ttm < 1266878340 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24.40 eur/m with tax. < 1266878401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's very very expensive indeed < 1266878415 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1266878424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I've never printed anything with it. < 1266878488 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you must be at university very late? < 1266878491 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sshing? < 1266878492 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1266878512 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At home I am. < 1266878516 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-212-31.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1266878519 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, vpn? ssh? < 1266878537 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither. The computing centre web site is publicly available. < 1266878577 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but the printer details? < 1266878580 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and printer queue? < 1266878597 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that public to the internet too? :D < 1266878641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1266878654 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://itservices.tkk.fi/fi/ohjeet/hinnasto/ if you can read Finnish. < 1266878674 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://itservices.tkk.fi/fi/ohjeet/anvandningspolitik/ if you want to read the usage policy in Swedish. < 1266878675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so you mean anyone over the internet can submit to any of the printers at that uni? < 1266878692 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just the specs and the name of the printer queue is mentioned there. < 1266878703 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err that is strange Swedish < 1266878705 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously you have to be using one of the university computers to actually access the queue. < 1266878714 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy: hows them gigs? 8D < 1266878723 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, s/politik/policy/ and it would make sens in Swedish Swedish < 1266878753 0 :cheater3!~cheater@ip-80-226-212-31.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1266878764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I doubt they have had anyone with real skills to translate that stuff. < 1266878780 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: In any case, the instructions seem to be there in English too if you're terminally interested, but it's very boring stuff. < 1266878782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, possibly. Also it could be sv_FI and sv_SE diffs < 1266878799 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and I'm not that interested no < 1266878831 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, at least it is better than translations like "all your base are belong to us" or "spoony " < 1266878832 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266878861 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1266878865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would be extremely surprised if fizzie didn't know that one
< 1266878926 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bard, yes. < 1266878951 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the original (more literally) < 1266879018 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the last xkcd wasn't too bad < 1266879035 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sysadmin one) < 1266879142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After submitting a chargeable print job, please consult the pidgeonhole in room U115a for further information. Payment takes place in U115a." < 1266879161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please consult the pidgeonhole for further information." < 1266879188 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pigeonhole < 1266879201 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1266879201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is also a spelling mistake. < 1266879205 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is in in FI? < 1266879206 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's funny even without that. < 1266879210 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it in* < 1266879253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translated of course < 1266879257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(correctly) < 1266879278 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish instructions just say the submitted jobs can be collected from room U115a. < 1266879294 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it would be something like "teller window"? < 1266879307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1266879322 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like pigeonhole better. < 1266879339 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it is manned by a real pigeon. < 1266879392 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least they didn't say "cubbyhole". < 1266879409 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use the word "dovecote" (fi:kyyhkyslakka, sv:duvslag) for the boxy-shelf-thing-thing where homework assignment papers and such (mostly for maths courses) are distributed from. < 1266879432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one also has no live birds in it, which is a shame. < 1266879471 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266879603 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1266879711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle -- I love the way they have a picture of real pigeons and holes. < 1266880682 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1266880956 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266881272 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-7-223.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1266881414 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1266881415 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1266881913 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-53-123.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1266881922 0 :comex!comex@c-98-210-192-54.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1266882027 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1266882027 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1266882502 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1266882511 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1266882882 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric