< 1269216008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided that |b@| was simply -|b|, since |ab|=|a||b|, unless someone has a counter-example? < 1269216009 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well |a@| is obviously |a|*|@| < 1269216011 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| = -1 < 1269216014 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a * -1 < 1269216032 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah it's a case of reducing |a+b|... < 1269216052 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has reducing |a+b| been done, or is it impossible? < 1269216079 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked wolfram alpha for some inspiration but it wasn't very helpful < 1269216086 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'd just have to make shit up until all the properties work... < 1269216087 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from |x| > 0 ofc :P < 1269216094 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>= that is < 1269216106 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is?? < 1269216122 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1269216194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is |a+bi| defined the way it is? < 1269216267 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1269216468 0 :alise!~alise___@212.183.140.36 JOIN :#esoteric < 1269216469 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1269216481 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb alise < 1269216485 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, because we want |-| to be a "metric" < 1269216495 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :metric? < 1269216505 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means |a-b|+|b-c|>=|a-c| and |a-b|=0 <=> a=b < 1269216517 0 :AnMaster!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1269216526 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and |a-b|=|b-a| < 1269216545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how he can use that to define at least the properties of |a+b@|
< 1269216553 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we care about metrics? They make a topology < 1269216559 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we care about topologies... I don't know yet < 1269216566 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's @ < 1269216593 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is defined such that |@| = -1. Pseudomathematical curiousity that I seem to have interested alise in just now < 1269216615 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Or, probably less peusomathematically, |x| gains an exception in its definition] < 1269216647 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1269216855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a-@| + |@-c| >= |a-c|. If a=0 and c=5, for instance, and this rule is upholdable, |@-5| >= 5 < 1269216881 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced that it's upholdable given the redefintion, however. < 1269216929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so |@| = -1 < 1269216938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@-1| >= 1 < 1269216941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@-2| >= 2 < 1269216967 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems... broken < 1269216978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| = -1, |@-1| = 1 (presumably) < 1269216984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@-2| = 2 < 1269216991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a 0 missing there... < 1269216996 0 :nooga!~nooga@093105098174.pila.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1269216998 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1269217063 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If |@-1| = 1, |@-2| = 3, somehow makes more sense, but there's no evidence for that really < 1269217113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "sense", but it's nicely pattern-filling < 1269217160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This number is no number, it's more like a function :P < 1269217166 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|a-b|+|b-c|>=|a-c| < 1269217170 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1269217181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: /msg??? < 1269217292 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a=@, b=0, c=1 |@-0| + |0-1| >= |@-1| <=> -1 + 1 >= |@-1| < 1269217313 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we have a problem < 1269217416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well clearly |@-1| results in a number < 1269217425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~@-1~ < 1269217438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has these contradictory properties! < 1269217453 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe |a-b|+|b-c|>=|a-c| is simply broken < 1269217544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you are broken :| < 1269217578 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when |x|>=0 is suddenly violated, I'd expect anything that relies on that to be broken < 1269217590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: /msg :((((( < 1269217597 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not here right now < 1269217601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: yes you are < 1269217697 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = 1 + 0 = 1 + 0*(-1) = 1 + (1+(-1))*(-1) = 1 + 1*(-1) + (-1)*(-1) = 1 + (-1) + (-1)*(-1) = 0 + (-1)*(-1) = (-1)*(-1) < 1269217755 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan 1 + 0*(-1) = 1 + (1+(-1))*(-1) ? < 1269217760 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho sorry I see it now < 1269217776 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that's so.. obvious, looking at it < 1269217783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1269217806 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, that means something major would have to break in order to make a system in which -1*-1=-1 < 1269217813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1269217817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe 1-1 != 0 < 1269217840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 1-1 == 0 is pretty much the _definition_ of negation < 1269217884 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's the only property of negation used above < 1269217900 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1+(-1) = 0) < 1269217915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 - 1 = 1 + (-1) < 1269217925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :axiom: x + (-x) = i, where i is additive identity < 1269217928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i = 0 < 1269217932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x + (-x) = 0 < 1269217935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 + (-1) = 0 < 1269217936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 - 1 = 0 < 1269217938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1269217973 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also used a(b+c) = ab+ac < 1269217975 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1269217992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-b is just an abbreviation for a+(-b) afaiac < 1269218026 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah obviously, and several other properties, but none that involve negation < 1269218032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah it is < 1269218040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since a b = a*b, a-b = a*-b < 1269218044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore a+(-b) = a*-b < 1269218045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1269218047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1269218048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D! < 1269218058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats alise -----###
< 1269218060 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which property is the easiest to break? < 1269218065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of them < 1269218072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise someone will have already done so and formalised everything with it < 1269218080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to sacrifice something major, that's why they are fundamental properties < 1269218180 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What causes |a-b| + |b-c| >= |a-c| to break, exactly? < 1269218187 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Given |@|=-1 < 1269218189 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1269218208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing you just have to break other things to make it work :P < 1269218232 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: http://www.qdb.us/60621 < 1269218250 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that rule derived? That would be easiest to work with < 1269218289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+0=a, 0*a = 0, a+(-a) = 0, (a+b)c = ac+bc, a+(b+c) = (a+b)+c, 1*a = a, 0+a = a < 1269218344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of those 0*a = 0 _might_ be derivable from something simpler, but the rest are really fundamental (you could drop one of the first and last by adding commutativity) < 1269218351 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a+b)c = ac+bc seems somewhat unintuitive. Maybe in the goal of -1*-1=-1, we can break it < 1269218367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh in fact that means i'm _not_ using commutativity, not even of addition < 1269218436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the distributive law is pretty powerful yeah. but without it there isn't really any connection _between_ addition and multiplication to speak of. < 1269218442 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are educated stupid < 1269218462 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to email oerjan's proof to Gene Ray? < 1269218494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he denies the definitions duh < 1269218596 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@@| = |@||@| = 1; |a@+b@@| = |[a+b@]@| = -|a+b@| and this probably gets us nowhere < 1269218634 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what |1/@| is
< 1269218664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|1/x| = 1/|x| < 1269218667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 1/-1 < 1269218679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := -1 < 1269218688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|1/@| = -1 < 1269218689 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we be certain that that rule works given that |x|=-1 exists? < 1269218701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you find a contradiction. < 1269218727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |a-b| + |b-c| >= |a-c| is equivalent to |x| + |y| >= |x+y| < 1269218743 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1269218754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| + |n| >= |@+n| < 1269218757 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earlier on I was using |z-w| as notation for d(z,w) < 1269218760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| + |1| >= |@+1| < 1269218768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@+1| <= -1 + 1 < 1269218771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@+1| <= 0 < 1269218772 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d is just a function onto R(eal) < 1269218781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@+1| = -2, perhaps? < 1269218786 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can prove that d(x,y) >= 0 < 1269218791 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing |x|+|y| >= |x+y| before, and deciding that it was broken, I don't remember why < 1269218807 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, wormholes I guess < 1269218813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: plz respond in /msg :( < 1269218854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=@, y=-@, |x| + |y| = |@| + |-@| = -2 >= |@+-@| = |2@| = -2 < 1269218857 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1269218876 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, |@+-@| = |0| = 0 < 1269218880 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, contradiction < 1269218962 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1269219122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN HAS SQL? < 1269219123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DBASE IZ GETDB('db/lcsn.db') < 1269219123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUNNAHS IZ DBUCKET(&DBASE&,"CAN I PLZ GET * ALL UP IN lollit") < 1269219123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IM IN UR FUNNAHS ITZA TITLE < 1269219123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : VOTEZ IZ &TITLE#ups& - &TITLE#downs& < 1269219124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/noL0U < 1269219127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by what metric is lolcode esoteric again? < 1269219189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo's metric above < 1269219194 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's deliberately strange. < 1269219205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a metric for esotericism? < 1269219240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you made a metric for *WHOOSH* < 1269219297 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, @ such that |@| = -1. < 1269219330 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define the absolute value of a number as the square root of the number times its complex conjugate. < 1269219337 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|x| = sqrt(x*x') < 1269219406 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, was thinking of sqrt(x*x), but that doesn't work with non-reals. I think the above def. fixes that < 1269219451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it _is_ the usual one for complex numbers < 1269219467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka modulus < 1269219474 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the complex conjugate for @? < 1269219481 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's @*@? < 1269219512 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you define a complex number as a 2x2 matrix of real numbers, I'm pretty sure the absolute value is the square root of the determinant. < 1269219528 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+bi has complex conjugate a-bi < 1269219539 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sqrt(a^2+b^2), of course. < 1269219553 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|@| = sqrt(@*@) = @ is not what we want < 1269219562 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So @' != @ < 1269219571 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If sqrt(a^2+b^2) = -1, then a^2+b^2 is an imaginary number. < 1269219575 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming we're following that definition, which might not even be a useful one < 1269219600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@' is a unique number such that @*@' = -1^2 < 1269219603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := -1 < 1269219604 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For simplicity, let's assume b = 0. Then a^2 is an imaginary number. < 1269219625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1269219625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 1 < 1269219636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm now that is a bit of an issue < 1269219647 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it a bit of an issue? < 1269219660 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@' = 1/@. < 1269219705 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme think, the numbers we're familiar with are of the form a + bi. These numbers could simply be a + bi + c@ + di@. < 1269219722 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this is a quaternion. < 1269219734 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, if this is the quaternions. < 1269219744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but < 1269219754 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there are usual rules for abs value for quaternions, then those are broken by this < 1269219758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@*@' = -1^2 (because sqrt(@*@')=-1) = 1 < 1269219765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sqrt(1) is actually 1 < 1269219797 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, right. < 1269219811 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll have to find a way to decide when sqrt(x) is sqrt(x) and when it's -sqrt(x) instead. < 1269219899 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you get a similar paradox without @? < 1269219911 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I have heard something that might accomplish this. < 1269219960 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heard of, rather. < 1269220068 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I haven't. < 1269220096 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just seems like absolute values are too fundamentally nonnegative. < 1269220137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be so nonnegative < 1269220162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1269220172 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minkowsky inner product! < 1269220173 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we don't find a way to solve this impossible problem, surely humanity will be destroyed! < 1269220180 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's precisely the thing I mentioned. < 1269220199 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, something with the word Minkowski in it. < 1269220213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has _imaginary_ absolute values, not negative ones, though < 1269220226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from special relativity theory) < 1269220240 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has imaginary absolute values? < 1269220249 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but their _square_ is negative though < 1269220253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not quite related, but for the usual 2x2 matrix representation of (a+bi), [a -b; b a], you do have |a+bi|^2 = det([a -b; b a]) = a^2+b^2... if you do a+b% as [a b; b a] you'd have a fancy number % for which |%| = i. (Since |%|^2 = det([0 1; 1 0]) = -1.) That sort of representation would seem to be sort-of closed under addition and multiplication. < 1269220275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: yes < 1269220312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a distance in time has a length that is an imaginary number times a distance in space < 1269220336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for combinations of time/space, it depends on whether it's faster than light or not) < 1269220346 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Find a shape that's like a cone, except that one vertical cross section is a V and a perpendicular one is an upside-down V. < 1269220360 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders hyperconic sections.
< 1269220376 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever the heck those things are called. < 1269220428 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadric sections. < 1269220457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperboloids? < 1269220468 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a type of quadric section. < 1269220500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two opposed cones would be a degenerate instance of that < 1269220525 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lost the conversation
< 1269220526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that's not what you said < 1269220527 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1269220534 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no quadric section, not even a degenerate one, that's that I said. < 1269220552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: yours is like a degenerate saddle, more like? < 1269220561 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1269220587 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I'm pretty sure there's only one sane shape that's like that. < 1269220632 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to define @ in terms of imaginary abs. values? < 1269220634 0 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-124-134.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1269220636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are sure there's at least one? < 1269220662 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes a shape sane < 1269220665 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1269220680 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the absolute value, and then multiply it by the square of the sine of the argument. < 1269220689 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/sine/cosine/ < 1269220698 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm actually for timelike distances in minkovski space there _is_ a difference of direction, between forwards and backwards in time < 1269220702 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sanity. < 1269220719 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The absolute value is actually an insane function, by one formal definition. < 1269220723 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is utterly lost
< 1269220760 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm guessing you understand all but one word of "take the absolute value, and then multiply it by the square of the sine of the argument". < 1269220789 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1269220888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a saddle surface is defined to be smooth on wikipedia, so wouldn't include your case, or would it? < 1269220923 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it cannot be smooth, since absolute values are cross sections < 1269220927 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any smooth function would make a silly absolute value. < 1269220945 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it has a non-differentiable spot at zero. < 1269220983 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And |(|x|)| should be |x|, not |x|^2. < 1269221008 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the absolute value of (, anyway < 1269221027 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you forgot to close a parenthesis. < 1269221050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll close it here ) < 1269221079 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the absolute value of (, anyway i'll close it here) is. < 1269221088 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JOKE MURDERED < 1269221095 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the words, but not the point < 1269221115 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well, visualize that shape. < 1269221138 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just plot it on Wolfram? < 1269221154 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1269221157 0 :ubunt63!~ubuntu@151.54.28.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1269221199 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does he _want_ such a tattoo? < 1269221227 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether Wolfram wants such a tattoo. < 1269221236 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess even if he had it, we wouldn't be able to see it. < 1269221302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: I'm guessing you understand all but one word of "take the absolute value, and then multiply it by the square of the sine of the argument". < 1269221307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which word doesn't he understand? < 1269221317 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+abs%28x%2By*i%29*cos%5E2%28arg%28x%2By*i%29%29 < 1269221318 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why would you square it? < 1269221329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd want it negative sometimes < 1269221353 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trigonometry fail on my part. < 1269221363 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the absolute value, and then multiply it by twice the cosine of the argument. < 1269221366 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1269221369 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idle speculation: do you get some sort of sensible structure from matrices of the form [a b; b a], with the usual matrix addition and multiplication? It won't be a field, since there's no multiplicative inverse if a=b there, but is it isomorphic to some other well-known thing? < 1269221374 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the absolute value, and then multiply it by the cosine of twice the argument. < 1269221395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: neither works since they don't fulfil f(-x) = f(x) < 1269221417 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This doesn't fulfill that? < 1269221426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't see your last one < 1269221434 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+abs%28x%2By*i%29*cos%282*arg%28x%2By*i%29%29 < 1269221439 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my workbench is almost complete. all it needs is a work surface. :D < 1269221455 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think there's a name for those. < 1269221467 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win 12 < 1269221474 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arg? < 1269221483 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the split-complex numbers. < 1269221493 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the argument function. It returns the angle of the Argand diagram. < 1269221503 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does the same sort of thing as the signum function. < 1269221504 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mindboggles
< 1269221517 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in a sense, it's the angle of the complex number. < 1269221521 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is completely clueless as to what Warrig.. oh
< 1269221538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait maybe i'm the one failing trigonometry here < 1269221549 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The argument of 1 is 0, the argument of i is pi/2, the argument of -1 is pi, and so on. < 1269221551 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will just stay lost
< 1269221557 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but I also failed trigonometry. < 1269221610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's isomorphic to the ring of 2*2 matrices ;D < 1269221654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait now i'm failing reading too < 1269221713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems they've called split-complex numbers indeed. < 1269221788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And a huge pile of other names.) < 1269221839 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun to have both the complex numbers and the split-complex numbers. < 1269221851 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have both i and j such that i^2 = -1 and j^2 = 1. < 1269221869 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then ij = -ji. < 1269221877 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, we've lost commutativity. < 1269222008 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1269222009 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1269222021 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my university has the most students presenting at ECO5 < 1269222022 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1269222024 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does @ fit in with all of this < 1269223090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go really soon... it's 1am i have to be up at 7 < 1269223127 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: bye ::hug:: < 1269223151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless fax says anything interesting in /msg in the next minutes or so... < 1269223237 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye alise :/ < 1269223322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone have anything else to say? < 1269223336 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stay strong, young one! < 1269223347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3, everyone. < 1269223353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets in TARDIS; destination: Friday.
< 1269223371 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plays Dr Who theme
< 1269223386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAAAAAAAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1269223390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAH DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1269223402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH (DUH DUH) DUH BAM BAM BAM BUM < 1269223407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo < 1269223410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1269223441 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.* < 1269223525 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur < 1269223535 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fax < 1269223537 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup? < 1269223588 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me and alise were talking about finitism and ultrafinitism < 1269223605 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its stupid k. < 1269223609 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1269223656 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1269223658 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO WEEKS O_O < 1269223676 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1269223681 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, figures. :| < 1269223688 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr Who! < 1269223837 0 :ubunt63!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1269223845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Doctor" < 1269224036 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hush your face < 1269225598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to go to sleep but i proved a theorem and had to come write it down :< < 1269225638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i can't sleep because my brain is all hyper < 1269225657 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1269225659 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome :) < 1269225664 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs oklopol
< 1269225665 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1269225682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1269225682 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1269225682 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /< < 1269225686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1269225697 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1269225700 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi :D < 1269225707 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed you :) < 1269225717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi or me?!? < 1269225720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1269225721 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \o/ \o/ < 1269225728 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1269225730 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\OO/ < 1269225734 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: myndzi. < 1269225736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1269225740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\^__^/ < 1269225743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1269225744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur i knwo < 1269225745 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho i do love you totes. < 1269225745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*know < 1269225754 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had just forgotten myndzi's silliness < 1269225771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1269225771 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    `\o/´ < 1269225771 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      | < 1269225771 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     /´\ < 1269225771 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :   (_| |_) < 1269225830 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What just happened? < 1269225851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Myndzibot < 1269225856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the world ended. fortunately, they had a backup. < 1269225871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like Station V3 < 1269225888 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried reading that < 1269225911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after a number of comics, i discovered i was bored < 1269225919 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1269226002 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi is not a bot! < 1269226034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi is a cyborg! < 1269226041 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but myndzi does RUN a bot < 1269226058 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :directly on er username < 1269226563 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/b/ < 1269226823 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh lol < 1269226833 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one gets me in trouble sometimes! < 1269226965 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everybody lols. \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ < 1269226965 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                     |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   | < 1269226965 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    /´\ /|  /|  /<   >\ /`\ /<  /<   |\  >\  >\  |\ < 1269226980 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1269227127 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: i like how his dick is waggling < 1269227150 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/ \m/ < 1269227150 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      `\o/´ < 1269227151 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1269227151 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (_|¯`¯|_) < 1269227152 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1269227157 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wavin' in the breeze < 1269227160 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems ..off < 1269227166 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \m/\m/ < 1269227190 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \f/ \f/ < 1269227192 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ \m/ \m/ \o/ < 1269227192 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |   `\o/´   |   `\o/´   |   `\o/´   |   `\o/´   |   `\o/´   |   `\o/´   |   `\o/´   |   `\o/´   |   `\o/´   | < 1269227192 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/<     |    /|     |     |\    |     |\    |    /|     |    /|     |    /<     |     |\    |    /|     |    /| < 1269227192 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :      /´\      (_|¯`\         /´\         /`¯|_)      /`\      (_|¯'¯|_)      /`\      (_|¯'\         /´\ < 1269227192 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    (_| |_)         |_)     (_| |_)     (_|         (_| |_)                 (_| |_)         |_)     (_| |_) < 1269227426 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1269228409 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1269228533 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1269228873 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have pokemon music stuck in my head < 1269228925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't have a pokemon stuck in your head < 1269228959 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1269228970 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this one bit that sounds so awesome! < 1269229010 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1269229737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reboot < 1269230069 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1269230117 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1269231203 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax! D: < 1269231205 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1269231236 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a crazy idea for a story thanks to c-realm < 1269231302 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1269231449 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What idea of story did you mean < 1269231487 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we invent teleportation. it works wonderfully for non-living things. but for living things, it screws up your electrochemistry, causing temporary death, and so its not recommended that people teleport too much or too frequently < 1269231552 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our protagonist has such and such kind of job that necessitates increasing use of teleportation, and the more he uses it the more he starts to see things in the teleportation. < 1269231703 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1269231704 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1269231711 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he starts to see things. im not sure what yet, something inexplicable and such. < 1269231731 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eventually he ends up spending more and more subjective time in the jumps < 1269232193 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my own story about teleportation: One guy makes up a new kind of teleporter but something goes wrong. Now we lost the harp. But that's OK, because it caused other things too which are beneficial to the situation anyways. The End < 1269232420 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? XD < 1269232566 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually................ < 1269232651 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: your story is called Hyperion < 1269232747 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have another question, too: I thought of to connect high-address-bit of ARM11 to a flip-flop, and then the flip-flop to the NMI, but there must be some kinds of problem with instruction prefetch? Can this be fixed? < 1269232767 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: ey? < 1269233339 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1269233575 0 :charlls!charlls@186.72.57.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1269234720 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails to see "Cryonics" on WhatsTheHarm
< 1269236241 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1269238318 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: THIS IS NOT FOR GEFINGERPOKEN < 1269238959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1269243730 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1269244799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1269244800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1269245266 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I will do anything (almost) for a new router. < 1269245266 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1269247487 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1269247794 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1269249306 0 :adam_d!~Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1269251605 0 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-124-134.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1269252393 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1269253099 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guten tag < 1269253106 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hujen morgen < 1269253119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morn morn < 1269253477 0 :lereah_!~lereah@nanpc301.in2p3.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1269254578 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1269254895 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1269254915 0 :uorygl!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1269254929 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1269255057 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1269255216 0 :uorygl!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1269256683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1269257568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1269258065 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1269260118 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I am leaving. You are about to explode. < 1269264040 0 :Asztal!~asztal@host86-156-99-114.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1269265330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define nickname < 1269265339 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* a familiar name for a person (often a shortened version of a person's given name); "Joe's mother would not use his nickname and always called him ... \ * dub: give a nickname to \ * a descriptive name for a place or thing; "the nickname for the U.S. Constitution is `Old Ironsides'" < 1269265700 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define Hitler < 1269265701 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* German Nazi dictator during World War II (1889-1945) \ [23]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn \ * Hitler is a Malayalam movie about the life of Madhavankutty (known as Hitler), a bachelor a protective brother of five younger. ... < 1269265717 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahah wat < 1269265772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define esoteric < 1269265774 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* confined to and understandable by only an enlightened inner circle; "a compilation of esoteric philosophical theories" \ [22]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn \ * Esoteric is the fourth studio album by Swedish metal band Skyfire. It was released on September 14 in the United Kingdom, September 18 for the ... < 1269265824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an appropriate definition for esolangs, I wonder? < 1269265849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for esolangs, it's more that only a small number of people bother trying to understand them, rather than only a small number of people capable of understanding them < 1269265852 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41.132.216.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1269265860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except in a few cases like Feather, which not even I understand and I thought up the idea...) < 1269265908 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1269266241 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still "confined to" and "currently understandable by"; I don't think the definition has to imply that it should be especially difficult to learn to understand. < 1269266258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok < 1269266266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just my take, of course. < 1269266272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, that definition implies that the info is somehow kept secret < 1269266387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it has hints of that. Though "a compilation of esoteric philosophical theories" sounds more like not-interesting-to-many than kept-secret-by-design. < 1269267148 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"About NetHack: power to protect the wearer's face; a feature that gives rise to their knees before arthur. the motile phase, commonly..." < 1269267225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you using "About NetHack" for all fungot's twitter posts? < 1269267225 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: where does he live? d:: double clicking selects its text editing both direction < 1269267264 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, there's also "About IRC", "About Penny Arcade" and "About Chrono Trigger" posts, but for some reason the NetHack ones seem to be best. < 1269267368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1269268218 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1269268455 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1269268613 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-246-145.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1269268894 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1269270077 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-13-45.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1269270204 0 :ais523_!~93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/x-nowfennqbvjauusu JOIN :#esoteric < 1269270526 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1269271182 0 :mycrofti1!~ircguy@h69-128-47-242.mdsnwi.dedicated.static.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1269271221 0 :werdan7_!~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1269271452 0 :fizzie`!~fis@2001:1bc8:102:587b:230:18ff:fea9:6f01 JOIN :#esoteric < 1269271466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1269271466 0 :werdan7!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1269271466 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1269271466 0 :mycroftiv!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1269271635 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-243-132.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1269271900 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@97-118-247-81.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1269272171 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1269272592 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1269272656 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-46-214.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1269274125 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1269274271 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-13-45.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1269274388 0 :mycrofti1!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mycroftiv < 1269274644 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1269275280 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here have experience with optical character recognition? < 1269275327 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-13-45.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1269275573 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do it with my eyes every day! < 1269276733 0 :uoryfon!~warriphon@unch1537.unch.unc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1269277345 0 :werdan7_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 615 seconds < 1269277646 0 :werdan7!~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1269277751 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lereah_: :-P < 1269278861 0 :fax!~none@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1269279959 0 :uoryfon_!~warriphon@unch1537.unch.unc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1269279959 0 :uoryfon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1269279963 0 :uoryfon_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :uoryfon < 1269280128 0 :uoryfon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1269280211 0 :uoryfon!~warriphon@unch1537.unch.unc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1269280326 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Seven-value logic may also be able to produce Turing-complete languages, but only extreme oddballs would want to use it." < 1269280335 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, nine! < 1269280451 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quote's from , which somehow still exists, and which is interesting (although I don't know if I agree with it or not yet) < 1269281072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know whether i agree or not either, because it's so long i'm not gonna read it! :) < 1269281341 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1269281722 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1269281867 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1269282086 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1269282128 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1269282214 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1269282335 0 :uoryfon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1269282382 0 :uoryfon!~warriphon@unch1537.unch.unc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1269282557 0 :uoryfon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1269282577 0 :uoryfon!~warriphon@unch1537.unch.unc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1269282825 0 :uoryfon_!~warriphon@unch1537.unch.unc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1269282825 0 :uoryfon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1269282827 0 :uoryfon_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :uoryfon < 1269282868 0 :uoryfon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1269282898 0 :uoryfon!~warriphon@unch1537.unch.unc.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1269283142 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1269283657 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1269283741 0 :nooga!~nooga@sc82.internetdsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1269283792 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just tried to parallelize odd-even sort using openMP and found out that parallel version runs 100% slower
< 1269283859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No surprise. Threading has overhead. < 1269283920 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :array access is a possible bottleneck < 1269283961 0 :uoryfon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi < 1269284679 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1269284980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1269286061 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1*1 means I give you a dollar. You are $1 better off. < 1269286061 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1*(-1) means I give an IOU for a dollar. You are $1 worse off. < 1269286061 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-1)*1 means I take away one dollar. You are $1 worse off. < 1269286063 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-1)*(-1) means I take away one IOU for a dollar. You are $1 better off. < 1269286429 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that if you're an honest person, and you give me an IOU for $1, I'm $1 better off. < 1269286451 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah honesty proves cubic truth < 1269286464 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Slightly less, adjusting for the unknown inflation between the moment I receive the IOU and the moment you actually give me the dollar) < 1269287574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax, non-commutative? < 1269287600 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1269287609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just different interpretations < 1269287620 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since (-1)*1 != 1*(-1) there < 1269287626 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is an IOU the other is not < 1269288118 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is a biggest number, which, when you add one to it -- you get zero again < 1269288127 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we find this number using subtraction? < 1269288171 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 - 1 < 1269288218 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41.132.216.79 JOIN :#esoteric < 1269288856 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: Only in modular arithmetic. < 1269289110 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1269289236 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about negative numbers < 1269289241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't we wrap around to them fax < 1269289986 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1269292299 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1269292391 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax, what is that "cubic truth" stuff btw? < 1269292394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about timecube? < 1269292911 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most probably. < 1269293640 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1269295230 0 :nooga!~nooga@c139-44.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1269296027 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1269297348 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1269298050 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus joineth the trifecta. < 1269298079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define trifecta < 1269298111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another bot mercilessly assassinated < 1269298264 0 :fizzie`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fizzie < 1269298953 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1269298960 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`define trifecta < 1269298963 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* In horse racing terminology, a trifecta is a parimutuel bet in which the bettor must predict which horses will finish first, second, and third in exact order. The word comes from the related betting term, "perfecta". A trifecta is known as a Tiercé in France and Hong Kong. \ [17]en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trifecta < 1269298979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you meant, right? < 1269299052 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1269299077 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pretending that nooga - oerjan - coppro were a trifecta, since you joined in that order with no other actions in between ;P < 1269299118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Gregor -----###
< 1269299122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M NOT A HORSE < 1269299130 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what she said. < 1269299134 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowait. < 1269299137 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She said "neiiiiiigh" < 1269299155 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1269299165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was probably scandinavian then < 1269299174 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bravo, sir :P < 1269299203 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1269299366 0 :charlls!~charlls@201.226.222.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1269299809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :馬よ� < 1269299946 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1269300048 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1269301197 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1269301616 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1269301650 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1269301665 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1269301788 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection