< 1270252828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1270253025 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-198.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270253064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1270253104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently mkPolar 1 is also known as cis < 1270253121 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1270253127 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cos + i sin" < 1270253151 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im pissed off about this cyclotomics < 1270253161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know, i meant it was a defined haskell function < 1270253227 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1270253243 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1270253284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z^5 = 1 and not z = 1 means z^4 + z^3 + z^2 + z + 1 = 0 fwiw < 1270253305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that's one of the results, but it also is simply polynomial division < 1270253329 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1270253332 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z^4 + z^3 + z^2 + z = -1 < 1270253369 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we should be able to extract two sequences, x1 = z^4 + z^2, x2 = z^3 + z (say) such that x1+x2=-1 & x1*x2 = < 1270253375 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1270253413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1270253425 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be true though :( < 1270253449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well z and z^4 are also conjugate, so z+z^2 and z^4+z^3 are conjugate < 1270253466 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multiplying conjugates at least gives a positive real < 1270253480 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6180339887498945 < 1270253496 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is 1+phi, which is not rational) < 1270253518 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm a bit lost now as for what I should do < 1270253523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another option would be z+z^3 and z^4+z^2 < 1270253536 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that gives 0.38196601125010515 < 1270253550 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 1/2.6180339887498945 < 1270253609 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-198.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270253629 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know this stuff, anyway < 1270253764 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyclotomic polys are easy < 1270253765 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez < 1270253871 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hs let w = exp (2*pi*sqrt(-1)*(1/17)) :: Complex Double in (sum \$ map (w^) [3,10,5,11,14,7,12,6])*(sum \$ map (w^) [9,13,15,16,8,4,2,1]) < 1270253875 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let w = exp (2*pi*sqrt(-1)*(1/17)) :: Complex Double in (sum \$ map (w^) [3,10,5,11,14,7,12,6])*(sum \$ map (w^) [9,13,15,16,8,4,2,1]) < 1270253879 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`haskell let w = exp (2*pi*sqrt(-1)*(1/17)) :: Complex Double in (sum \$ map (w^) [3,10,5,11,14,7,12,6])*(sum \$ map (w^) [9,13,15,16,8,4,2,1]) < 1270253882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot is not here < 1270253922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-4.0) :+ (-5.06434096082401e-016) :: Complex Double < 1270254010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may try privmsg'ing lambdabot. prepend with "> " < 1270254023 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Galois Data.Complex> multiplicativeGroupGenerator 52 < 1270254023 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Galois Data.Complex> map(\i->2^i`mod`5)[1..4][2,4,3,1] < 1270254023 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Galois Data.Complex> let w = exp (2*pi*sqrt(-1)*(1/5)) :: Complex Double in (sum \$ map (w^) [2,3])*(sum \$ map (w^) [4,1]) < 1270254026 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-0.9999999999999999) :+ 6.861555643110582e-17 < 1270254038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that won't show up here < 1270254053 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplicativeGroupGenerator 5 = 2 < 1270254073 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orbit of 2 in multiplicative Z/5Z = [2,4,3,1] < 1270254082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1270254093 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the periods (w^2+w^3)(w^4+w) = -1 < 1270254094 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is also a generator, i should think < 1270254097 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought I did this...... < 1270254105 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just pick the first generator < 1270254153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, exp (2*pi*sqrt(-1)*(1/5)) = cis (2*pi/5) < 1270254176 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don\t understand what I had wrong before < 1270254197 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This mouse still feels too weird < 1270254213 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we didn't try that splitting < 1270254214 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, changing the speed of the thing also changes the speed of the trackpad < 1270254219 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(w+w^4)*(w^3+w^4) <------- augh!!! < 1270254221 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so stupid < 1270254331 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION switches back to his wired mouse < 1270254388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: i was trying to suggest things that were conjugates of each other, if the product was supposed to be negative no wonder that didn't work :D < 1270254411 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but you are right -- they are conjugates < 1270254432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1270254443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they were conjugates their product would be positive < 1270254462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(w^2+w^3) and (w^4+w), that is < 1270254469 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right I see < 1270254503 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a 'fast' way to calculate the value of (w^2+w^3)*(w^4+w) < 1270254511 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's really confusind and complicaetd ;D < 1270254543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly the right kind of thing for a computer program, you'd think < 1270254586 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to program this algorithm but it is really a lot harder than anything I have worked on before < 1270254593 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess that is the wrong way to put it < 1270254599 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you tried it imperatively? < 1270254601 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1270254866 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1270255217 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this... appears to only work for fermat primes < 1270255227 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is not good because there are other primes < 1270255348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? what goes wrong for 7, say? < 1270255368 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well give me 10 mins I will try p = 7 on paper < 1270255397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1,2,3,4,5,6} lessee < 1270255417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{2,4,1} nope < 1270255440 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3,2,6,4,5,1] < 1270255445 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the orbit of 3 < 1270255447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{3,2,6, < 1270255453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was _getting_ there :D < 1270255455 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1270255456 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1270255510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you take (w^3+z^2+w^6)*(w^4+w^5+w^1) ? < 1270255519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would, if it worked < 1270255571 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did i get that z there < 1270255583 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pasteit4me.com/312001 < 1270255621 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1270255672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, so [3,6,5] and [2,4,1], or [3,4] and [6,1] < 1270255716 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3,4], [2,5] and [6,1] < 1270255725 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the thing splits into 2*3 or 3*x < 1270255727 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the thing splits into 2*3 or 3*2 *** < 1270255732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh any two? < 1270255752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1270255757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you multiplied all three < 1270255767 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1270255777 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general if we have an orbit that covers the whole group [a,b,c,d...] < 1270255807 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like you can share it out (one for me, one for you, one for him, one for me, ...) into sets which (obviously sum to -1) and multiply to make a rational number < 1270255821 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why they multiply to make a rational..... I have no idea < 1270255828 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you are taking all the cosets of a subgroup? < 1270255838 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1270255843 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I guess they are cosets aren't they < 1270255854 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the group is Z/pZ by the way (multiplicative) < 1270255870 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don'tknow if I neglected to say that earlier) < 1270255891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understood that much < 1270255902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i wouldn't call that Z/pZ... < 1270255924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia used a superscript X < 1270255983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm since the multiplicative group is cyclic, i guess all subgroups are cyclic too so given by a single element < 1270256006 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ooh that explains why you can keep doing it! < 1270256074 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit usesless to know that y1+y2+y3 = -1 & y1*y2*y3 = 1 < 1270256076 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't solve this equation < 1270256087 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact if this is the case you don't need to find a primitive root at all, unless you want to classify everything < 1270256096 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1270256100 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p-1 is always even < 1270256111 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(p > 2) < 1270256228 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG BLUE BUBBLEGUM JONES < 1270256241 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, fax! :D < 1270256244 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glomps fax < 1270256248 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey augur :))) < 1270256260 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an idea for a fun little challenge < 1270256266 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe thing? < 1270256271 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah did i mention it to you? < 1270256280 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been modelling simple universes < 1270256288 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a universe ? < 1270256351 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so in this context, a universe is some topology, some number of particles that inhabit that topology (or some properties over that topology, take your pick), and some number of rules that govern the physics of those particles in that topology < 1270256399 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur WOLFRAM?? < 1270256410 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1270256419 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like cellular automata < 1270256424 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure you could model (some) of these universes as CAs < 1270256428 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except on arbitrary topology < 1270256431 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the physics dont have to be defined CAly < 1270256436 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there are non-CA rule sets? < 1270256438 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how < 1270256444 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could do so if you wanted. < 1270256481 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as an example, imagine you had an infinite discrete universe with a particle occupying one position in the universe < 1270256506 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say that it has a constant velocity in some direction and so forth < 1270256513 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure you could also define a CA for this tho < 1270256772 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you know the setup of the game? < 1270256859 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so < 1270256862 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds very difficult < 1270256889 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is rather, i think < 1270256895 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to reiterate, the game goes like this < 1270256924 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i secretly design a (simple) universe. then i provide to you the causal graph of the universe < 1270256932 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw -- x1 = z^3+z^6+z^5 ; x2 = z^2+z^4+z^1 gives x1 = -1/2-sqrt(-7/4) ; x2 = -1/2+sqrt(-7/4) < 1270256933 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to determine the design i used. < 1270256951 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, the causal graph is a picture ? < 1270256965 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur I want to try this but I am not likely to win < 1270257008 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the causal graph is basically just a directed graph, where each node is one of the possible configurations of the universe, and each directed arc connects a configuration to a "successor" confiuguration < 1270257017 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem is, I know that z^3+z^6+z^5 = -1/2-sqrt(-7/4) -- but that doesn't help me find any expression for z^3 or whatever < 1270257022 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie the configuration the universe would be in after running the physics one time unit forward < 1270257087 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could imagine a universe with a single point in it, and that point has a single property Energy that is one of the integers, and the "physics" is such that Energy increases by one every time step < 1270257111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well z^3 is a 7th root of unity, i don't know whether they can be expressed with real roots < 1270257133 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the causal graph of this universe is basically 0 -> 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> ... where each state corresponds to one of the configurations {(point, energy)} of the universe < 1270257144 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this make sense, fax? < 1270257166 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaugely :) < 1270257180 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or imagine you have a universe that is a string of text < 1270257184 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of length 3 < 1270257203 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with say 1 of 26 "particles" (letters) in each position < 1270257214 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aaa", "aab", ... < 1270257215 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well there is a theorem that every root of unity can be expressed in radicals (from Gauss) < 1270257219 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are the configurations of this universe < 1270257233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax: oh < 1270257235 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but I am completely failing to see how it works for non-fermat primes < 1270257242 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then theres some physics that says each "configuration" is followed by, lets say, the "next" string < 1270257253 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or god only knows what the universe is, right < 1270257262 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur yeah I get that it just seems if you can choose any rule you want that it's impossible to figure it out < 1270257273 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let me give you a very simple one :) < 1270257277 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1270257282 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a simple causal graph: 1 -> 1 < 1270257365 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the simplest universe i can think of < 1270257390 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks < 1270257391 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1270257399 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot universe < 1270257401 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon, think of what kinds of universes this could be :) < 1270257409 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the universe and the physics < 1270257419 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually its a whole class of universes, but < 1270257421 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe is {1} and the physics is I < 1270257455 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, yeah. the universe is a 1x1 universe with no particles (or 1 particle) and no physical laws that change anything. < 1270257471 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively it could be seen as any universe with no particles an no physical laws that change anything < 1270257485 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres the next simplest one i can think of < 1270257488 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 -> 1, 2 -> 2 < 1270257504 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe is {1,2} and the physics is I < 1270257508 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1270257517 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what do you mean bye {1,2}? < 1270257520 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1270257527 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1 and 2 that i used are just names for configurations < 1270257527 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, BYE! {1,2} < 1270257531 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the nodes of a graph < 1270257535 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no edges yet < 1270257536 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry, couldn't help myself) < 1270257550 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the nodes in the graphs are not the universe < 1270257565 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe is a topology plus a physics that this graph describes < 1270257614 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe envisioned is as follows: < 1270257630 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 1x2 universe with one particle (which can be in either location) and no physics < 1270257654 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, a 1x1 universe with one particle (which can be pointing in either one of two directions) and no physics < 1270257672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's a particle which can be either red or blue! < 1270257677 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the configurations for the former are: [o| ] and [ |o] < 1270257683 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :) < 1270257693 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for the latter: [<] and [>] lets say. < 1270257763 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres another universe thats similar: 1 -> 1, 2 -> 2, 3 -> 3, 4 -> 4 < 1270257874 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure you can imagine what this is < 1270257898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's a 1x2 universe with two particles *ducks* < 1270257904 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :) < 1270257914 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you hve some physics in there < 1270257924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no physics < 1270257929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing changes < 1270257930 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then definitely not < 1270257938 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that universe would be [o|o] < 1270257944 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would have only one state < 1270257955 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making its causal graph the same as the first universe: 1 -> 1 < 1270257956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't say particles couldn't be in the same position < 1270257967 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhaaa good thinking oerjan :) < 1270257972 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes, you're right < 1270257975 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be that universe < 1270258002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i predict the number of possibilities will become hopelessly large, fast < 1270258009 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it could be a 1x1 universe with a particle that faces one of four directions, or two particles that face one of two directions, or, ... < 1270258018 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the number of possibilities might < 1270258028 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im not looking for _my_ solution, just _a_ solution < 1270258048 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so heres another universe thats kind of interesting < 1270258053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"faces directions" sounds similar to momentum. < 1270258067 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1270258089 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 6 -> 1; 7 -> 1; 8 -> 4 < 1270258095 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to use Haskell for everything < 1270258147 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill even be generous and tell you the physical makeup of the universe < 1270258153 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1x2, one particle. < 1270258207 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we have 2^3 states, so one bit could correspond to position of particle < 1270258230 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1270258242 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a truism, ofcourse < 1270258252 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, modulo anything else, the particle can be in exactly two positions < 1270258263 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the universe has at least 2*n configurations < 1270258266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it means the particle can have 4 inner states in each position < 1270258273 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1270258287 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're veeeery close < 1270258293 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1270258301 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now just figure out what the physics is :) < 1270258306 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could point in each of four directions < 1270258314 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1270258364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1270258381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i make it a rule that the particle is _always_ changing position, each step < 1270258386 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1270258430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1,3,5 and 8 correspond to the same position, 2,4,6,7 to the other < 1270258442 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1270258470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we can say that 7 and 8 are both pointing down < 1270258475 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1270258580 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, when you interpreted 1x2, did you interpret that to be 1 high or 1 across? < 1270258598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the particle always rotates its pointing direction each step, but skipping the down direction < 1270258622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe this gives the required graph < 1270258635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 high < 1270258639 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1270258645 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what i intended :p < 1270258662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what's what you intended < 1270258679 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 high < 1270258717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 and 4 point left, 2 and 5 up, and 3 and 6 right < 1270258725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rotation is clockwise < 1270258744 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1270258827 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thatll do it :) < 1270258886 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let me do one thing to my universe: expand the size to 2x2 now. the causal graph is as follows: < 1270258901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this analysis was made somewhat easier by the fact it contained two aspects that did not interfere with each other < 1270258920 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 6 -> 7 -> 8 -> 1; 9 -> 10 -> 1; 11 -> 12 -> 3; 13 -> 14 -> 5; 15 -> 16 -> 7 < 1270258937 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :identical physics, one particle, just in 2x2 not 1x2 < 1270258954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by identical physics? < 1270258959 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, not the physics oyu just devised, but the physics that i had in mind. < 1270258964 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1270258969 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as before. < 1270258977 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this universe and the previous one are different _only in size_ < 1270258982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have 4 positions rather than 2 < 1270258987 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do. < 1270259012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are still 4 inner states possible < 1270259019 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1270259029 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming those can be selected independently < 1270259033 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1270259061 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they can, but the physics constraints which configurations are possible as next configurations. < 1270259091 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all of this you can assume that all properties of particles are independent of their position < 1270259144 0 :mibygl!~62d188c5@gateway/web/freenode/x-gftfxhstlpnklczf JOIN :#esoteric < 1270259154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1270259481 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-221-66.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270259508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time there are 8 non-repeating states, while there were only 2 the last time < 1270259537 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean states which, once left, are never again reached? < 1270259538 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1270259566 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill give you an even better hint < 1270259576 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think of the particle as a robot instead, the physics makes more sense. < 1270259624 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means doubling the positions did not just add an extra irrelevent bit, it has to interfere with stuff < 1270259633 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. :) < 1270259635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*irrelevant < 1270259652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, there would be only 4 non-repeating states < 1270259654 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no constraint on the configurations that the particle can appear in < 1270259680 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the particle can be found in each of the four positions in each of the four states. < 1270259686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the new bit and the old ones have to have physical interaction < 1270259724 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know if you want more hints < 1270259740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 6 -> 7 -> 8 -> 1; 9 -> 10 -> 1; 11 -> 12 -> 3; 13 -> 14 -> 5; 15 -> 16 -> 7 < 1270259752 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep :) < 1270259821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is still room for one bit aspect that does nothing but flip each turn (in fact this is clearer here since you numbered things to alternate odd/even turns) < 1270259845 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, im not using your physics but mine. so you cant assume its doing what yours did :) < 1270259850 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-198.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270259869 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want another hint? < 1270259872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but i _am_ assuming i have to come up with something that fits the previous one as well < 1270259891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise this would be easy < 1270259894 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1270259911 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: its not always changing position, nor internal state, during each time step. < 1270259926 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it *is* at least changing one of them < 1270259939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the last point is obviouas < 1270259942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a < 1270259953 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure that it was :P < 1270260052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1270260121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've got it, just checking < 1270260157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 -> 2 -> 3 -> 4 -> 5 -> 6 -> 1; 7 -> 1; 8 -> 4 < 1270260171 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1270260180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checking it gives the same < 1270260288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1270260357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each step, _if_ the particle is pointing toward another reachable position, it moves there. otherwise it rotates clockwise. this fits both universes. < 1270260367 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bingo. :) < 1270260430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1270260478 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now figure out the structure of this universe, given those physics, and 1 particle: < 1270260509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this is turning out more interesting than i expected :P < 1270260528 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 -> 2 -> 1; 3 -> 4 -> 3; 5 -> 6 -> 5; 7 -> 8 -> 7; 9 -> 10 -> 1; 11 -> 12 -> 2; 13 -> 14 -> 3; 15 -> 16 -> 4 < 1270260547 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tell me the geometry of the universe. < 1270260548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same physics? ok. < 1270260586 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can already figure it must be a universe with 4 positions. but what are their arrangement, and is there more to the geometry than just that. < 1270260625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is at least some toroidal stuff going on < 1270260644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only way you could flip between two states with those physics < 1270260693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait four positions... < 1270260704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait yes < 1270261242 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm a bit disappointed < 1270261257 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this program would be able to derive solution for the cubic equation and stuff like that < 1270261263 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems like you have to hard code all that in :[ < 1270261272 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the roots of unity subroutine) < 1270261284 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless I am [hopefully] missing something) < 1270261541 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ideas yet, oerjan? :) < 1270261553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: the universe is 2x2, with the left edge and right edge wrapping to each other. one (but not the only) assignment of states to positions is: < 1270261556 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/6/10/15 2/5/12/13 < 1270261558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/7/9/16 3/8/11/14 < 1270261567 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1270261569 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bingo. < 1270261633 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1270261693 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to look at larger universes, and see if there are any parallels between them when you wrap one dimension < 1270261716 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or see if there are parallels between when you wrap one dimension and when you wrap a second < 1270261750 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, if you enjoy this, i can try to put up a site with a bunch of these < 1270261784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first, there would be 2*n final cycles where n is the number of rows < 1270261798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for each going left, the other right < 1270261813 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each of length m < 1270261843 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1270261864 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each of those cycles would have m incoming paths of length n < 1270261874 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, half of them would < 1270261890 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 2*m*n cycles < 1270261923 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1270261929 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are actually 2*n cycles < 1270261936 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were right the first time < 1270261953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um s/cycles/states in cycles/ < 1270261976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, only the top and bottom rows would have incoming paths < 1270261985 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right yes, sorry :) < 1270261999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m*n each < 1270262030 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now are there any salient relationships between the unwrapped universe and the wrapped universe? < 1270262052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n to each of the m states in the cycle < 1270262110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the downwards and upward paths still exist in both < 1270262145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unwrapped universe has only one cycle, along the border < 1270262190 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1270262197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 2*(m+n) states in it < 1270262202 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the state graphs < 1270262211 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping the state labels the same in both < 1270262269 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1270262320 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it and see ;) < 1270262335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everything _not_ approaching a border is of course the same < 1270262351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edges, that is < 1270262357 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean everything that _is_ approaching a border < 1270262363 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, half the borders < 1270262366 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because half the borders remain < 1270262405 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by approaching i mean being next to, about to collide with it or pass through < 1270262432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah only the changed borders < 1270262448 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1270262453 0 :samosa!~Miranda@unaffiliated/samosa JOIN :#esoteric < 1270262458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1270262466 0 :samosa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1270262479 0 :samosa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im new. < 1270262481 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats samosa < 1270262486 0 :samosa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this channel for? < 1270262490 0 :samosa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1270262503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: conclusion, only 2*n edges are actually removed and 2*n added < 1270262509 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1270262511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming languages < 1270262522 0 :samosa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1270262540 0 :samosa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1270262543 0 :samosa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-__- < 1270262556 0 :samosa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz, i mean what does esoteric mean? < 1270262597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it means weird and often useless < 1270262602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric, (adj.): unusual and not well-known. < 1270262627 0 :samosa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1270262680 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+. < 1270262680 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1270262735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also frequently unreadable < 1270262748 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can fungot do ///? < 1270262748 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mibygl: you don't know what is correct?) not declared in this scope points to *here*" ( or newline). < 1270262767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know of < 1270262794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately a couple of our bots are missing, including the one with most esolangs in it < 1270262817 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, fungot is _written_ in one (and implements two others) < 1270262818 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please note how carefully i used capitalization, rather than against mine except for locative-object ( which makes no sense < 1270262857 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I ask fungot what languages e implements? < 1270262858 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mibygl: and the best, mmh. < 1270262863 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mibygl: um, someone claimed you were == uorygl, is this correct? < 1270262868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1270262868 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ```; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1270262872 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct. < 1270262888 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were not uorygl, I would be impersonating uorygl, which is not a nice thing to do. < 1270262904 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So fungot only implements two languages? Bah. < 1270262904 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mibygl: eh what? < 1270262907 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so oerjan, did you want me to put up one of those sites? < 1270262928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean having the same last 3 letters is impersonating? < 1270262938 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If those letters are "ygl", yes. < 1270262967 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another network, instead of uorygl/mibygl, I'm Warrigal/Mibbigal. That's also an impersonation sort of thing. < 1270262994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i don't think i'll be spending a lot of time on it, honestly. but who knows. < 1270263004 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww ok. < 1270263026 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i offered a cash prize for a theory of how to infer properties of the universe from the properties of the causal graph? < 1270263027 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1270263048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mibygl: you have to note that fungot implements those languages _in_ befunge < 1270263049 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan:, so i'd like to keep the secret weapon secret!" if you eval what magic outputs in javascript, but there would be < 1270263069 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr, I want a ///bot. < 1270263083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it does not expose befunge itself to others than fizzie, presumably for security reasons) < 1270263202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm fungot does have definable commands though < 1270263202 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which wasn't that fnord at all < 1270263210 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1270263210 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble < 1270263214 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1270263229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mibygl: just write a /// interpreter in brainfuck and you'll be all set ;D < 1270263292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: your bots are missed < 1270263321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1270263344 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I could figure out what keeps happening to 'em. < 1270263350 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1270263351 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1270263398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mibygl: did you see me mention itflabijtslwi in response to your comment about /// and input? < 1270263445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*/\/.\\0\/,\\,0,\\,1\/\/.\\1\/,\\,1,\\,0\/\/,\\,\/.\//********/.//.0 < 1270263451 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110100101100110100101101001100101100110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110011010011001011010010110011010010110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110 < 1270263597 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1270263607 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1270263714 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /!/@@@@//@/####//#/\$\$\$\$//\$/ nom/om! < 1270263715 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom < 1270263729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*itflabtijtslwi < 1270263748 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I want to do /// busy beaver stuff. < 1270263766 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to write the program of length N with the longest finite output. < 1270263772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1270263814 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call that length ?(N). < 1270263822 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders when ?(N) is first larger than N. < 1270263877 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, /x/yyy/xxx is 10 long and outputs 9, /x/yyyy/xxx is 11 long and outputs 12. < 1270263904 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1270263947 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By using that trick a bunch of times, as I did in that om nom nom thing, you can achieve nearly exponential growth. < 1270263958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems hard to do something fancier in that short span < 1270263976 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay, what's the best you can do in 80 characters? < 1270263998 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-198.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270264075 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a simple attempt: /0/1111//1/2222//2/3333//3/4444//4/5555//5/6666//6/77777//7/88888//8/99999/00000 < 1270264111 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it outputs 2,560,000 characters. < 1270264127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1270264129 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\\*\//@@@@@@@@** < 1270264129 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************ < 1270264191 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if we had a Slashes unescaper. < 1270264274 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the result of that substitution is /*\*/+\+//+\+/*\*\*\*/? < 1270264296 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1270264449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway as you can see it doubles the number of **'s < 1270264467 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\\*\// has 38 characters, right? < 1270264482 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1270264483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say so :D < 1270264516 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you just plopped two in, you'd have four characters to spare... < 1270264535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1270264543 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use that twice. < 1270264550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1270264566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should give you something 2^2^n < 1270264589 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using two probably doesn't help at all. < 1270264648 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-198.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270264722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1270264751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\\*\//@/*/\/-\\-\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/-\\-\\-\\-\//**++ < 1270264796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1270264812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\\*\//@/*/\/-\\-\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/-\\-\\-\\-\//**-- < 1270264812 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-------------------------------- < 1270264825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\\*\//@@/*/\/-\\-\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/-\\-\\-\\-\//**-- < 1270264826 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ < 1270264848 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh we're already beyond 80 < 1270264926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1270264967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\//@@/*/\/-\\-\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/-\\-\\-\//**-- < 1270264967 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------- < 1270264979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\//@@@/*/\/-\\-\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/-\\-\\-\//**-- < 1270264979 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :------------------- < 1270265005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\//@@@@/*/\/-\\-\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/-\\-\\-\//**-- < 1270265005 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------------------------------------------- < 1270265007 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I'd think that the second replacement would replace * with yet anther replacer. < 1270265034 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1270265040 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace @ with * and * with something else in it. < 1270265066 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one will generate a bunch of *s; the second one will turn each * into a doubler. < 1270265084 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see that you're doing something like that already. < 1270265102 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, put some spaces in there so I see what's going on. < 1270265127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\// @@@@ /*/\/-\\-\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/-\\-\\-\// ** -- < 1270265128 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------------------------------------------- < 1270265149 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant. < 1270265170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i reduced to 3 to keep it below 80 chars < 1270265188 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that actually is what I was looking for. < 1270265225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, that causes it to take some more time to get up to speed < 1270265232 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't that first output a bunch of *? < 1270265240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\//@@@@/*/\/-\\-\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/-\\-\\-\//**---- < 1270265240 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 1270265244 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er wait < 1270265252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\//@@@@@@/*/\/-\\-\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/-\\-\\-\//**-- < 1270265263 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the first /@/\/... just makes the @s into *s, doesn't it? < 1270265280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must have been fairly big because it doesn't print anything XD < 1270265287 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\//@@@@@/*/\/-\\-\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/-\\-\\-\//**-- < 1270265287 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ < 1270265322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no, it turns the @'s into * 3/2-icaters < 1270265339 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-198.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270265348 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1270265395 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, have you beat the one that uses only one 38er yet? < 1270265410 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1270265433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i _hope_ the thing with 6 @'s above failed to respond because it got really big < 1270265479 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculate how many it makes! < 1270265505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 3/2 thing makes that a little awkward :D < 1270265624 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-198.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270265642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let m3h n = 3*d + r where (d,r) = n `quotRem` 2 in iterate m3h 2 !! 5 < 1270265653 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 < 1270265678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let m3h n = 3*d + r where (d,r) = n `quotRem` 2 in iterate m3h 2 !! 6 < 1270265680 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19 < 1270265694 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean? < 1270265722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1270265732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means the 5 @'s produce 13 *'s and the 6 @'s produce 19 *'s < 1270265749 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let m3h n = 3*d + r where (d,r) = n `quotRem` 2 in iterate m3h 2 !! 1 < 1270265751 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1270265781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let m3h n = 3*d + r where (d,r) = n `quotRem` 2 in map (iterate m3h 2 !!) [13,19] < 1270265783 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[316,3597] < 1270265836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 6*80-9 < 1270265838 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :471 < 1270265873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um wait that makes no sense < 1270265917 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If 19 is all you get, then this is worthless. < 1270265946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the @@@@@ one above printed more than 316 -'s, something is wrong < 1270266001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let m3h n = 3*d + r where (d,r) = n `quotRem` 2 in map (iterate m3h 2 !!) [1..19] < 1270266003 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3,4,6,9,13,19,28,42,63,94,141,211,316,474,711,1066,1599,2398,3597] < 1270266067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\//@@@@@** < 1270266067 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :************* < 1270266081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\//@@@@@@** < 1270266082 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :******************* < 1270266189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789 < 1270266204 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just checking if my terminal is really 80 wide < 1270266205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1270266271 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\//@@@@@/*/\/-\\-\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/-\\-\\-\//**-- < 1270266272 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- < 1270266327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the... < 1270266335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is _not_ what egobot printed the last time < 1270266384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had about another line. perhaps that 3597 long one previous caused a bug... < 1270266416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never printed anything, after all. < 1270266465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway 3597 is worthless, as you say, we hadn't even filled in with @'s from the single substitution one < 1270266543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/*\\*\/+\\+\/\/+\\+\/*\\*\\*\\*\//@@@@@@@@@@@** < 1270266565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be 4096, although it seems to stall egobot again < 1270266573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes Boo! < 1270266573 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************ < 1270266670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /-**/*-/---**************** < 1270266670 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**--- < 1270266704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait that can be reversed :D < 1270266730 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, it can! < 1270266730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /-*/**-/--------* < 1270266730 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************-------- < 1270266749 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can do that lots of times. < 1270266757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_now_ we're kicking :D < 1270266764 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting something like 2^^14 of them. < 1270266825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /-*/**-//*-/--*/--* < 1270266831 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1270266839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes Boo! < 1270266840 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo! < 1270266854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /-*/**-//*-/--\*/--* < 1270266854 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------------**** < 1270266913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/-*\/**-\/\/*-\/--\\*\//@-* < 1270266914 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :----** < 1270266952 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/-\\*\/**\\-\/\/*\\-\/--\\*\//@-* < 1270266952 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :----** < 1270266958 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /@/\/-\\*\/**\\-\/\/*\\-\/--\\*\//@@-* < 1270266964 0 :Alex3012!~chatzilla@ool-18b989d3.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270266970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes Boo! < 1270266971 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo! < 1270266983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently too much to hope for < 1270267058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /-*/**-//*-/--\*//-\*/**\-/--* < 1270267067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes Boo! < 1270267068 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo! < 1270267111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /-*/**-/----** < 1270267112 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :********************************---- < 1270267130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why didn't the previous one print the same... < 1270267200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i escaped every relevant *- boundary inside the substitutions that i can see... < 1270267201 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are we hoping for that's too much? < 1270267247 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick question about the BSD license: What do I put for "Organization", given that it's myself? < 1270267255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be able to copy substitutions into @'s, and then apply them to pass - and * doubling past each other four times... < 1270267259 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-198.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270267284 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1270267288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, completely chaotic" < 1270267294 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your name. < 1270267294 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1270267307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Neither the name of the Sgeo" < 1270267324 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time I put an organization into an Organization box, it credited all my work to that organization. < 1270267344 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /-*/**-//*-/--\*/--* < 1270267345 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------------**** < 1270267349 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the MIT license like? < 1270267370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /-*/**-//*-/--\*/-* < 1270267371 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :----** < 1270267381 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it < 1270267386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /-*/**-//*-/--\*//-\*/**\-/-* < 1270267387 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :********************************---- < 1270267406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was better. and one more iteration would kill it XD < 1270267481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means two @'s is too much to hope for again. hm... < 1270267755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-* => **- => ----** => 32*, 4- => 4*2^32-, 32* => 32*2^(4*2^32)*, 4*2^32- => ... < 1270267829 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if codepad.org is an inappropriate way to distribute this code < 1270268048 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/wd8oGuUT < 1270268051 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a mess :/ < 1270268263 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that code? < 1270268459 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python mapping of a C API < 1270268649 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.activeworlds.com/showthread.php?p=124425#post124425 < 1270269151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*1/11*//*\*/*//1*/*1+//1+/+1/*****1 < 1270269164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes Boo! < 1270269164 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boo! < 1270269177 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /*1/11*//*\*/*//1*/*\1+//1+/+1/*****1 < 1270269178 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++11111111111111111111111111111111 < 1270269684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//++/+0+//+///(//(((((1) < 1270269685 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :000000000000000000000000000000023 < 1270269863 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//(((((1) < 1270269863 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 < 1270269939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//(((((((1) < 1270269939 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1270270001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1+/(((((((1) < 1270270002 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++11+ < 1270270168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+/(((((((1) < 1270270169 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111+ < 1270270215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//(((((((1) < 1270270215 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 < 1270270232 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1270270319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//(11111) < 1270270319 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 < 1270270362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//((((((((((1) < 1270270368 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024 < 1270270861 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1270271057 0 :sshc!~sshc@174-19-197-100.bois.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270271062 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1270271062 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1270271067 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, you got it to output 1024. < 1270271081 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-74-96-89-29.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270271265 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+111111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//((((((((((1) < 1270271272 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4314 < 1270271278 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+11111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//((((((((((1) < 1270271284 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8231 < 1270271287 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//((((((((((1) < 1270271290 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+11111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//((((((((((1) < 1270271292 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//((((((((((1) < 1270271295 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :132343 < 1270271298 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000 < 1270271300 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2662 < 1270271304 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//((((((((((1) < 1270271306 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+11111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//((((((((((1) < 1270271311 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//((((((((((1) < 1270271311 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4424 < 1270271313 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13044 < 1270271317 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100000 < 1270271320 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must say, this function doesn't make much sense. < 1270271331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1270271355 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I get for trying to understand things without analyzing them. < 1270271376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what you are doing is changing the output base < 1270271442 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.Char; import Numeric; main = print [showIntAtBase n intToDigit 1024 | n <- [2..10]] < 1270271457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.Char; import Numeric; main = print [showIntAtBase n intToDigit 1024 "" | n <- [2..10]] < 1270271460 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :["10000000000","1101221","100000","13044","4424","2662","2000","1357","1024"] < 1270271481 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused < 1270271515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the parts from 2000 and down, at least < 1270271580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import Data.Char; import Numeric; main = print [showIntAtBase n intToDigit 1024 "" | n <- [2..12]] < 1270271582 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :["10000000000","1101221","100000","13044","4424","2662","2000","1357","1024","851","714"] < 1270271652 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1270271686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to reorder a bit < 1270271720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//(111) < 1270271721 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 < 1270271759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//41/5//42/6//61/7//44/8//81/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//(((111111111) < 1270271759 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :432 < 1270271799 0 :Copyleftist!~ixia@72-26-83-201.adsl.gulftel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1270271833 0 :Copyleftist!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1270271861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//23/5//42/6//25/7//44/8//45/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//(((111111111) < 1270271861 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :432 < 1270271905 0 :Copyleftist!~ixia@72-26-83-201.adsl.gulftel.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1270271906 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//23/5//42/6//25/7//44/8//45/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//(((((((1) < 1270271906 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128 < 1270271920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//23/5//42/6//25/7//44/8//45/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//(((((1) < 1270271920 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 < 1270271931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//23/5//42/6//25/7//44/8//45/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//((((((((1) < 1270271931 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 < 1270271935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//23/5//42/6//25/7//44/8//45/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//(((((((((1) < 1270271936 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :512 < 1270271988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//23/5//42/6//25/7//44/8//45/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//(((((111) < 1270271988 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :96 < 1270272023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//23/5//42/6//25/7//44/8//45/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//111() < 1270272023 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1270272068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//23/5//42/6//25/7//44/8//45/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//111() 1111() 11111() 111111() 1111111() 11111111() 111111111() < 1270272068 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 4 5 6 43 8 9 < 1270272081 0 :Copyleftist!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1270272090 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//23/5//42/6//43/7//44/8//45/9//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//111() 1111() 11111() 111111() 1111111() 11111111() 111111111() < 1270272091 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 4 5 6 7 8 9 < 1270272427 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+111111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//23/5//42/6//43/7//44/8//45/9//46/A//47/B//84/C//85/D//86/E//87/F//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//1() (1) 1(1) ((1) 1((1) (1(1) 1(1(1) (((1) 1(((1) (1((1) 1(1((1) ((1(1)) 1((1(1)) (1(1(1)) 1(1(1(1)) ((((1) < 1270272427 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B 100 110 120 130 14 < 1270272459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//23/5//42/6//43/7//44/8//45/9//46/A//47/B//84/C//85/D//86/E//87/F//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//1() (1) 1(1) ((1) 1((1) (1(1) 1(1(1) (((1) 1(((1) (1((1) 1(1((1) ((1(1)) 1((1(1)) (1(1(1)) 1(1(1(1)) ((((1) < 1270272460 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C0 D0 E0 F0 10 < 1270272479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1270272517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1270272533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes /(1/11(//(\(/(//1(/(\1+//1+/+1//)/+//+1111111111111111/1\+//11/2//21/3//22/4//23/5//42/6//43/7//44/8//45/9//46/A//47/B//84/C//85/D//86/E//87/F//(+/(//++/+0+//+///(//1() (1) 1(1) ((1) 1((1) (1(1) 1(1(1) (((1) 1(((1) (1((1) 1(1((1) ((1(1) 1((1(1) (1(1(1) 1(1(1(1) ((((1) < 1270272533 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F 10 < 1270272548 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1270272579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1270272583 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you < 1270272643 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i should be going to bed but instead i'm apparently doing number display in /// :) < 1270272726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka slashes) < 1270272832 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1270272838 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing an arbitrary-precision lib < 1270272856 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i will use to write a serialization lib < 1270272868 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i will use to write a scripting language < 1270272888 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i will use to write simulation software < 1270272897 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i will use to write artificial intelligence < 1270272905 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i will use to take over the world !!! < 1270272920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit i was going to joke how this would end :D < 1270272924 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1270272949 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed "write an operating system" in there, though < 1270272960 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't need to write an os < 1270272970 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where the AI comes in < 1270272974 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1270272981 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will write all the drivers for me < 1270273011 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will crawl the web for documents about all devices ever made < 1270273045 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will also reverse engineer Win32 drivers as well < 1270273058 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will do everyone's homework < 1270273074 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... that's not a good thing? < 1270273087 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1270273090 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which part? < 1270273095 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing everyone's homework < 1270273097 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1270273100 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya i was jk < 1270273123 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be like, some kinda VIP service < 1270273168 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what would you have AI do for you? < 1270273302 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky < 1270274762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1270274784 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1270275464 0 :samosa!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: samosa < 1270277589 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@91.35.72-86.rev.gaoland.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270278715 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I will do anything (almost) for a new router. < 1270279443 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1270280148 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: adu < 1270280624 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1270280686 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@91.35.72-86.rev.gaoland.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270281599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1270281600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1270281743 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: PyFunge bug: if ; is the first character in a file, it doesn't work properly < 1270282618 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1270283280 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@91.35.72-86.rev.gaoland.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270284047 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1270284859 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1270286516 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-8-39.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270287374 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, interesting bug < 1270287781 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1270288250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, a bit hard to test with mycology though I imagine? < 1270288805 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-19-202.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1270288999 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1270291788 0 :adam_d!~Adam@client-82-26-214-230.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1270291835 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@athedsl-253510.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1270294156 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-181-73.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1270294159 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1270294159 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1270294755 0 :alise!~alise___@212.183.140.48 JOIN :#esoteric < 1270295025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hail < 1270295601 0 :olsner_!~salparot@81-233-241-210-no50.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1270297130 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hi < 1270297134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1270297160 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I found out why I was unable to use some 802.11n networks. Wrong reg domain setting. < 1270297181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that issue confused me for months) < 1270297228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear diary < 1270297235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was on "world" setting, which is defined as the subset of channels allowed everywhere) < 1270297249 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wrong window :P < 1270297257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite < 1270297334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you going to tell it then? < 1270297367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I was being a jerk to you < 1270297371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1270297436 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't be surprised < 1270298478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now where is coppro? < 1270298932 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1270298985 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-19-202.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1270299663 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl for the rest of the day < 1270299668 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(out of town, no internet) < 1270299968 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1270300107 0 :olsner_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: olsner_ < 1270301738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fpqrsuvtu < 1270301932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, dear; an unwinnable game of robotfindskitten. < 1270303749 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Well yes, I'd need a separate file but I won't bother with that for a bug that only shows up in one interpreter < 1270304432 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1270304731 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-122-35.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1270305483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1270306372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My rfk86 is a bit prone to unwinnables, because the screen is smaller than is typical, but I think I generate the same amount of NKIs. < 1270306830 0 :olsner_!~salparot@81-233-241-210-no50.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1270310195 0 :mibygl!~62d188c5@gateway/web/freenode/x-qduaplryrwyifgeu JOIN :#esoteric < 1270312416 0 :olsner_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: olsner_ < 1270312999 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1270313196 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1270315372 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1270317862 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1270317902 0 :adam_d!~Adam@client-82-26-214-230.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1270318235 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1270318878 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will try walking outside a bit today < 1270318922 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1270321198 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, dear; an unwinnable game of robotfindskitten. <-- is that possible!? < 1270321234 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, NKI? < 1270321384 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I need to figure out how to make ubuntu call iw reg set SV on boot... < 1270321508 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err SE of course < 1270321509 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not SV < 1270321598 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is that it needs to be done before the wlan interface goes up, otherwise it won't take effect for some reason < 1270321605 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thus rc.local won't work < 1270322260 0 :fax!~none@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1270322994 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-8-170.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270324310 0 :alise!~alise@host86-139-126-138.range86-139.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1270324369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, hello, hello, hello! < 1270324406 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hellote. < 1270324473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:00:34 fizzie, NKI? < 1270324473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-kitten items < 1270324475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:59:58 Oh, dear; an unwinnable game of robotfindskitten. <-- is that possible!? < 1270324478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently in the flash version. < 1270324498 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1270324498 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1270324504 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I thought the kitten was always generated, but I guess I was wrong < 1270324530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not using my laptop!; I am using the ole' desktop. Not the iMac. < 1270324541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a semicolon after an exclamation mark /really/ valid? I mean, honestly. < 1270324573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ought to be. < 1270324598 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1270324645 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, perfectly, ! is logical not, and ; is "skip to next ; in path" < 1270324665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your wittosity is unmatched, surely. < 1270324669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this world. Universe! < 1270324834 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1270325047 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: In rfk86, at least, the kitten is always generated, but it may be unreachable. < 1270325055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1270325681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg < 1270325683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1270326175 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh? < 1270326177 0 :adam_d_!~Adam@client-82-26-214-230.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1270326181 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does that even make sense? < 1270326359 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1270326698 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is alise < 1270326699 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffffffffffff < 1270327487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Sure. You can't move diagonally in rfk86, so if you have an object that is surrounded by 4 other objects (in the corner, 2 other objects is enough), you can't ever touch that object. If it happens to be the kitten, you are out of luck. < 1270327662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can move diagonally in the official robotfindskitten, but that just means you need more stuff to block the kitten totally.) < 1270327773 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, after all, robot must touch items to determine if they are kitten or not. < 1270327918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true < 1270327943 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I never seen an unreachable object in the "official" one < 1270328088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you hve a large terminal, it's pretty unlikely. But it's still possible. < 1270328119 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a 20x5 terminal window (where you only get 20x2 cells of grid) it happens more often than not. < 1270328191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you make a small enough terminal window, robotfindskitten ends up in an infinite 100%-CPU loop; probably it's trying to place objects randomly and not finding any free slots. < 1270328324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1270328358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when i was 8 and had that bug < 1270328364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a prog < 1270328972 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm terminal is 180x41 according stty size < 1270329135 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1270329806 0 :mibygl!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1270330935 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-132-216-79.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1270330962 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1270330964 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sheep < 1270330975 0 :sheep!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :hiato < 1270330985 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1270331114 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1270332335 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1270333249 0 :isthac!~fdulu@41-132-216-79.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1270333372 0 :isthac!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is no entirely satisfied with his nick, wanted something that sounded like it was straight out of lovecraft's work < 1270333426 0 :isthac!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :hiato < 1270333679 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you stuck with it for so long, too. < 1270333851 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, having withdrawel symptoms as we epeak, but my newly hired councellor says i'll get through it < 1270334314 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1270334471 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1270334477 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.za is to South Africa as .ch is to Switzerland. < 1270334486 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that it's not actually short for any /official/ name. < 1270334487 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1270334540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1270334589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, .za would have at least made since if the TLDs were done in '65. :P < 1270334631 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.za is an abbreviation of Zuid-Afrika, Dutch for South Africa. Dutch was an official language there before '65.) < 1270334950 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to go back a bit farther for .ch < 1270334967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confoederatio Helvetica. < 1270334996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which actually makes a *little* bit of sense. That's apparently minted on Swiss coins... < 1270335068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. .su exists. < 1270335078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TLD for the Soviet Union) < 1270335160 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's someone with the email address n@ai < 1270335188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see someone with the address root@. < 1270335214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE ADMINISTERS THE ENTIRE NET < 1270335232 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, DNS < 1270335245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENTIRE. NET. < 1270335276 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE TUBERWEBS < 1270335282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1270335344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rebooting, kernel upgrade < 1270335482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DNS TLDs are fairly ridiculous. < 1270335496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cat is a gTLD. < 1270335503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is reserved for sites in Catalan. < 1270335514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1270335537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a somewhat obscure Romance language) < 1270335626 0 :AnMaster!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1270335697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i like to pretend pikhq never googles anything but actually just happens to know everything < 1270335730 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1270335737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I <3 me Wikipedias. < 1270335801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles "omniscience" < 1270335843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION once tried to make a mathematical proof that no omniscient beings existed < 1270335869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this wp page about one of our professors that says he studies math and something like alien abductions. i almost asked him about this, but luckily found out that the wp page had actually confused two professors with the same name before < 1270335873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Under what axioms? < 1270335894 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't QUITE grasp that Turing machines didn't take/need to take input/output, and that not being computable by a turing machine != not knowable < 1270335905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1270335943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, a UTM is a machine that can compute any algorithm, not a magic machine that does everything. :P < 1270335953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a UTM + magic oracle) < 1270335973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Magic oracle? Me want. < 1270336540 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1270337337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reboot < 1270337483 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1270337691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is hiato's "newly hired councellor" some sort of sneak-dig at the ehird of many names? < 1270337727 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't alise back < 1270338250 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-221-66.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1270338788 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrrrr < 1270338984 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the input and output of a TM are the tape < 1270339164 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving ```