< 1271722604 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1271722853 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irextechnologies.com/irexdr800 Opinions? (Note also that it runs Linux and has a vendor-supported jailbreak) < 1271723012 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that a lot more expensive than iPad? and I didn't see any direct mentions of Linux < 1271723039 0 :charlls!~charlls@201.226.222.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1271723049 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/earth-environment/article7100906.ece < 1271723052 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sorry, europeans. :( < 1271723056 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so sorry < 1271723076 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't use the iPad if it was free. Also, that's $100 less than the iPad. Also it has an eInk screen (though a smaller one). Also, they don't tend to mention the developer details on the general product page, but the forums, developer page, etc etc are quite explicit. < 1271723088 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: ^^^ < 1271723108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well katla hasn't erupted _yet_ < 1271723136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although there was a fake report that hekla (another volcano) had done so < 1271723137 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1271723158 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hekla = largest volcano on iceland < 1271723289 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1271723289 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1271723292 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271723296 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271723336 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I wouldn't use the iPad if it was free" ... I know, they treat developers like crap < 1271723337 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the "shop" part of the iRex showed $895, so I just assumed that's the one you meant :-/ < 1271723369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently someone was looking at a webcam of hekla or something like that, and seeing smoke - but they didn't notice that the smoke was in the background, from the current volcano eruption :D) < 1271723375 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: No, that's the enormous 10.2" one. < 1271723400 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: The 8.7" one is $400 from Best Buy (plus shipping) < 1271723435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone's going to be more expensive than the iPad :/ < 1271723469 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Smaller = more expensive < 1271723472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: anyway some of the ashes are currently at newfoundland, i read < 1271723490 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: man if they come to the US we might have to shut down shit here too < 1271723498 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will /definitely/ be interesting < 1271723539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however there are reports that the volcano is changing behavior from sending out ash to sending out lava, so it may be better at least for a while < 1271723613 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im secretly hoping that it continutes to get worse. grounding air travel wouldnt be all that bad < 1271723620 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe itll force america to build more trains. < 1271723646 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.2/20100316074819] < 1271723654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: the main worry in norway is all the ambulance helicopters < 1271723664 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=11432 < 1271723670 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambulance helicopters :( < 1271723683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were grounded too < 1271723700 0 :charlesq__!~charlls@201.226.222.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1271723705 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured < 1271723711 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks < 1271723718 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upsides and downsides < 1271723726 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world is a giant reddit < 1271723748 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however norway cleared up today, anyway, although they expect a new cloud of ash tomorrow < 1271723782 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1271723785 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were hit first, but also cleared up first, it seems < 1271723797 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it all depends on wind direction, anyhow < 1271723828 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be a good name for an esolang ... Ejafjojfakjasfjkul < 1271723862 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do have Itflabtijtslwi < 1271723881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eodermdrome can _look_ like that, i think < 1271723953 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Eyjafjallajökull < 1271723956 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :182 +++++++++++[>++++++>+++++++++++>++++++++++++++++++++++>+<<<<-]>+++.>.---------------.<++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++.>.---------.<++++++..>.+++++++++.>++++.<+.++++++++++.<..>>>-. [691] < 1271723982 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT DOES IT WORK? < 1271723994 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen Eyjafjallajoekull < 1271723996 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :169 ++++++++++[>++++++++++++>+++++++>++++++++++>+<<<<-]>>-.<+.---------------.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++.++++.<.<++..>.+++++++++.<+++.----------.>+.++++++++++.>++..>. [173] < 1271723996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WHO WAS VOLCANO < 1271724000 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8D < 1271724010 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slereah got banned from another channel lol < 1271724171 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf +++++++++++[>++++++>+++++++++++>++++++++++++++++++++++>+<<<<-]>+++.>.---------------.<++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++.>.---------.<++++++..>.+++++++++.>++++.<+.++++++++++.<..>>>-. < 1271724177 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eyjafjallajökull < 1271724196 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dare I ask, but what's with the "[173]" ? < 1271724228 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :length is 170, apparently < 1271724240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generations used to evolve that solution. < 1271724403 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfd output size -> 178, 187 bytes (respectively) < 1271724430 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I do wonder how it encodes "o:" < 1271724451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen o: < 1271724463 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen o: < 1271724466 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :49 ++++++++++[>+++++++++++>++++++>+>+<<<<-]>+.>--.>. [177] < 1271724472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that. < 1271724479 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant what character encoding does it use < 1271724486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that. < 1271724488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8. < 1271724504 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION didn't know Brainf*** was UTF-8 aware ;-)
< 1271724507 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.irextechnologies.com/irexdr800 Opinions? (Note also that it runs Linux and has a vendor-supported jailbreak) < 1271724513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Doesn't have to be. < 1271724529 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how can you output Unicode in a non-Unicode implementation? you can't! < 1271724532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: It has to be UTF-8 not-breaking is all. < 1271724538 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: What a silly thing to say. < 1271724551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's quite ignorant. < 1271724559 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1271724571 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In every way. < 1271724581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A UTF-8 string is a string of 8-bit units. < 1271724591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 or more of those units makes a UTF-8 character. < 1271724591 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfd compiler creates volcano.com, which uses 0xF6 for "o:", which I don't think is proper UTF-8 < 1271724614 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it doesn't look correctly here (no big surprise, DOS app) < 1271724625 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: That's because DOS isn't UTF-8-capable. < 1271724633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programs unaware of UTF-8 will simply treat each unit as an 8-bit character instead. < 1271724633 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, that's what I meant! < 1271724644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if they don't do any splitting, it "just works". < 1271724661 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a division symbol here, which is wrong < 1271724666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, it outputs a UTF-8 string without having a clue) < 1271724691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Yes, that's because DOS is interpreting the UTF-8 string as using characters from the codepage instead. < 1271724701 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I meant was that it is ignorant of code pages, so it's pretty random what it chooses for that < 1271724728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because DOS knows nothing about UTF-8 so it can't do UTF-8. < 1271724740 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead, it tries something else. < 1271724747 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does Brainf***, only particular implementations < 1271724748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, displaying the glyph for 0xF6. < 1271724753 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1271724760 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nor does Brainf***, only particular implementations // NO NO NO < 1271724782 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"treats as raw data" isn't the same as "fully supports" < 1271724792 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is for Brainfuck. < 1271724806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck treats everything as raw data. < 1271724809 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck has no characters, only bytes. < 1271724819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happens to be in 8-bit units called "bytes". < 1271724825 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Usually :P ) < 1271724836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some implementations make this 16-bit, 32-bit, etc. units instead) < 1271724917 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+00F6 ö c3 b6 LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS < 1271724940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. So? < 1271724942 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 0xF6 came from UTF-16 from my Windows XP (since I cut and pasted via clipboard), I guess < 1271724954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 < 1271724956 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good lawd < 1271724958 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much lame. < 1271724968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 is such a *retarded* character encoding. < 1271724992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About as much of a pain as UTF-8, except without being compatible with anything. < 1271725017 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other languages that do not have the letter as part of the regular alphabet or in limited character sets such as ASCII, O-umlaut is frequently replaced with the two-letter combination "oe". < 1271725034 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only guess as to why they chose UTF-16 is speed < 1271725058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it's no faster than UTF-8 if actually handled correctly. < 1271725081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: UTF-16 requires 2 16-bit units to encode some Unicode characters) < 1271725103 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp437 represents "o:" as 0x94 (148) < 1271725113 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there :-P ;-) < 1271725133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are aware that o followed by colon is not the same as ö, right? < 1271725136 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, UTF-16 can be wasteful, but so can UTF-8, depends on language most heavily used < 1271725149 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'm only using that because I'm not setup to enter 8-bit chars here < 1271725152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big. Deal. WE HAVE COMPRESSION. < 1271725158 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is American, typically doesn't do 8-bit ...
< 1271725174 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm not defending them, I'm just saying ... < 1271725175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö is not an 8-bit character. < 1271725184 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically cannot even pronounce a simple 8-bit word like eyjafjallajökull < 1271725186 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in cp437 ;-) < 1271725188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is U+00F6, which in UTF-8 is encoded using 2 bytes. < 1271725190 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lol < 1271725194 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1271725214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other encodings, it may be 8-bit. In still others, it's 32-bit. < 1271725233 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what I mean, it's not 7-bit ASCII < 1271725235 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In UTF-64 (UCS-8) it's 64-bit. < 1271725238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Huffman encoded, it may well end up as one bit. :P < 1271725324 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb question, but is the "oe" in "oerjan" short for U+00F6 ?? < 1271725332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1271725337 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ø < 1271725358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong Germanic language. :) < 1271725367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i were swedish, it would be, but i'm norwegian < 1271725409 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp850 = 0x9D (157) < 1271725442 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, isn't Norwey related to Sweden somewhat? ;-) < 1271725450 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wey/way/ < 1271725465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next door neighbors < 1271725477 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than just neighbors, though, cousins right?? < 1271725509 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're both descended from vikings < 1271725561 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Kiel < 1271725594 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accordingly, on November 4, 1814, Norway was forced into entering the union with Sweden. < 1271725595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you insist, the swedes were our evil oppressors from 1814 - 1905 (ok, not _that_ evil) < 1271725597 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sounds messy) < 1271725660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we actually had great autonomy in most matters, with our own constitution and parliament < 1271725769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so much so that our national day is the day of our 1814 constitution rather than our 1905 independence < 1271725874 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah but you europeans are so waifish anyway < 1271725897 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the netherlands' national anthem still has it swearing allegiance to spain! < 1271725912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow :D < 1271725962 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read that a lot of Icelanders are migrating to Norway (economic, mostly, but now I'm sure the stupid volcano doesn't help) < 1271725963 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say the constitution was the crowbar we used to eventually get independence, and remarkably peacefully < 1271725988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they cannot emigrate to norway if they cannot fly here, silly < 1271726004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess they could bring their fishing boats < 1271726047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yeah i've read that too) < 1271726459 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eyjafjallajökull" (according to Wikipedia's OGG) sounds like "ehvya leyv kvik" (where's the "ull" ??) < 1271726490 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/leyv/leyvov/ < 1271726614 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2 ... much easier to pronounce :-P < 1271726954 0 :charlesq__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1271727033 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1271727045 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: food < 1271727370 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1271727371 0 :cheater3!~cheater@ip-80-226-26-251.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1271728267 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1271728364 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1271729306 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271729385 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: 314 is too obvious, you should go with 271 (272?) or 161 (162?), maybe 141. < 1271729404 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ?s being on whether you truncate or round. < 1271729533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1729 < 1271729544 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8675309. < 1271729550 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to use that as a magic number some day. < 1271729553 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Boo hiss. < 1271729567 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's intended to be obvious < 1271729579 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Exactly the problem :P < 1271729583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If it makes you feel better, I know of that only by force of meme. < 1271729598 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Everyone knows of that one only by force of meme. < 1271729599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's not math nerdy < 1271729605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: True. < 1271729612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just memey. < 1271729619 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence my "boo hiss" :P < 1271729622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, *people actually have heard the song and enjoyed it*. < 1271729640 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "people" < 1271729677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Collective noun for members of homo sapiens. Sometimes broadened to be inclusive of other sapient beings." < 1271729704 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Homo sapiens dumbassus still counts then. < 1271729728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Homo sapiens stultus still counts. < 1271729760 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your usage varies from mine :P < 1271729798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small furry creatures from alpha centauri < 1271730418 0 :cheater3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1271730933 0 :augur!~augur@c-68-54-80-152.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271732633 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1271733956 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: brb < 1271734200 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1271734817 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Finland have, like, the same flag. < 1271734843 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scandinavia's like that. < 1271734851 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know I put them in the wrong order. < 1271734870 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember whether Norway or Sweden goes first, nor whether Finland or Iceland goes last. < 1271734895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was unaware that Country was an instance of Enum. < 1271734911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway goes first, of course. sheesh. < 1271734918 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1271734932 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Norway, Sweden, Denmark... < 1271734991 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for chronology, denmark's flag is the oldest country flag in the world iirc < 1271735034 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oldest in continuous use, or oldest period? < 1271735036 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay, Finland definitely goes before Iceland. < 1271735063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: um... i thought oldest period < 1271735106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And God Save the Queen is the oldest national anthem. < 1271735150 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it looks like you're wrong. Sweden comes before Norway. < 1271735162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats uorygl -----###
< 1271735177 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland. < 1271735180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY A MISPRINT YOU'VE FOUND < 1271735207 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not like the earlier countries are better or anything. < 1271735252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i didn't know there was a fixed order. and that one is definitely not chronological by independence. < 1271735342 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by original founding either, i'm pretty sure norway was unified before sweden < 1271735343 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe Norway comes first after all. < 1271735384 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think denmark may have been first < 1271735438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's just a big mess trying to order them < 1271735473 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very small mess; you just have to figure out whether it's Sweden and then Norway or the other way around. < 1271735528 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only there were some NULL country we could compare them to. < 1271735547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kenya, perhaps < 1271735577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, Tanzania < 1271735586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olduvai_Gorge < 1271736303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION grumbles at Normish not having Java
< 1271736328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wanted to run an HTTP-IRC proxy on there so he could connect to IRC from his crap RAZR
< 1271736707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's about the Sovereign Military Order of Malta? < 1271736719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has the notable property of being a sovereign non-nation. < 1271736804 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1271738429 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it sovereign over? < 1271738492 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-9-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271738721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Itself. < 1271738738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and yes: it has international recognition. < 1271738758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some 50 countries have embassies with it, and it is a permanent observer in the UN. < 1271740117 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-32-211.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1271740169 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1271740170 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1271740610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1271740695 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1271743214 0 :Rugxulo!~rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271743965 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster signed on at 4/8/2010 11:14:50 PM, and has been idle 7 hours, 48 minutes and 10 seconds < 1271743981 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly a small timezone difference (as it just turned 12am here) ;-) < 1271744411 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Atari 2600 Air Raid auction that ended for $31,600" < 1271744415 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1271744426 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The auction resulted in 52 valid bids, and in auction's final seconds bidding jumped from $17,528.28 to its final price of $31,600." < 1271744473 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxed, of course, which apparently makes a difference to some people *shrug* < 1271744541 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271744605 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271744988 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@tengototen.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271745166 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1271745166 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1271746556 0 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.rh.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1271746573 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I exist. < 1271746628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thou think'st, therefore thou art? < 1271746691 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I will do anything (almost) for a new router. < 1271746692 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thou ask'st me, therefore I answer thee; and could thou tell the difference? < 1271746698 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*couldst < 1271746701 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. < 1271746713 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-c-c-combo breaker. < 1271746722 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271746746 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1271746823 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's going on? < 1271747130 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now? apparently not much ;-) < 1271747172 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wrote a lame Befunge93 program that names the digit you enter, easy to i18n-ize, heh
< 1271747199 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of people here are European, so I guess they're all asleep < 1271747278 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09am here already, so possibly at work too. < 1271747479 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2:10 over here. < 1271747488 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The night is young. < 1271748829 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271748862 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1271748970 0 :MigoMipo!~migomipo@84-217-13-177.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271748972 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1271749100 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: adu < 1271749154 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1271749271 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271749686 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Sgeo. < 1271749705 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get a chance to check out those links? < 1271749788 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1271750116 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. Sleep beckons. < 1271750123 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Beckons. < 1271750399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1271750400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1271750634 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1271750939 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271751013 0 :MigoMipo!~MigoMipo@84-217-0-156.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271751108 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1271751324 0 :adam_d!~Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271752579 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1271752631 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1271753061 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271753214 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1271753229 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1271753293 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net < 1271753601 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befi.asm -> 13 SUBs, 13 XORs, 19 ADDs, 20 PUSHes, 24 POPs, 27 CMPs, 32 CALLs, 45 JMPs, 71 MOVs, etc. (including other less interesting numbers) < 1271753792 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total of 53 unique instructions used < 1271753842 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and (surprise!) a Kenyan won the Boston Marathon ;-) < 1271753994 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271754189 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1271754204 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A Kenyan has now won 18 of the past 20 men's Boston marathons" < 1271754218 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang, I didn't know it was quite that common < 1271754669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, Ubuntu's clang package updated; I should maybe try out ff3 with it. < 1271754695 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@ix.ceid.upatras.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1271754696 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, except that I turned the computar off when leaving home today. Whoops. Well, maybe later. < 1271754951 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1271754986 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still can't get used to it being called "clang" (like a bell) instead of "C lang"
< 1271755020 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should've maybe been called "Clangejajofulkullok" ;-) < 1271755029 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1271755034 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would explode too with a name like that
< 1271755037 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271755076 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do so many people have ping timeouts? < 1271755089 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1271755609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentally pronounce "clang" as the bell sound instead of "see-lang"; I wonder how it officially speaking should be. < 1271755883 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang (as bell), I read somewhere < 1271756036 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently so. < 1271756051 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Clang (pronounced /ˈklæŋ/ like the English word clang[2]) is ...", [2] http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/llvmdev/2008-July/015624.html < 1271757134 0 :aschueler!~alec@host86-167-40-196.range86-167.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271757314 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Rugxulo < 1271757632 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : AnMaster signed on at 4/8/2010 11:14:50 PM, and has been idle 7 hours, 48 minutes and 10 seconds <-- morning. < 1271757637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(now that is) < 1271757646 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, closer to noon < 1271758172 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271758284 0 :lereah_!~lereah@nanpc301.in2p3.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1271758339 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1271758442 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Hey! Listen! < 1271758541 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271758608 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1271758722 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1271758784 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: lament < 1271760649 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271762521 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1271762794 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@a91-153-122-35.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1271762804 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1271764633 0 :Asztal!~asztal@host81-129-119-203.range81-129.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271767583 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1271770045 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271770056 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1271770076 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271770187 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1271770280 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1271771412 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1271771682 0 :dio77!~dio77788@61-91-95-81.static.asianet.co.th JOIN :#esoteric < 1271771753 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-210.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1271771822 0 :dio77!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quitte < 1271772944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1271773849 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1271774643 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1271774644 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271775067 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1271775811 0 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1271775817 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1271776121 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1271776221 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Hey! Listen! < 1271777820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the creators of clue, www.vjn.fi/oklopol/toi.py < 1271777877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting < 1271777887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone wants a more comprehensive documentation (not sure there's much to add but i could clarify it), do tell, also the interp is incredibly slow < 1271777889 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which clue, btw < 1271777895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name is ambiguous < 1271777901 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by incredible i mean don't run the example program for long < 1271777908 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it uses as much memory as ordinals usually do < 1271778006 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what does it do? Just very very quick desc. < 1271778030 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "it is an esolang" or "it is a game" or whatever < 1271778069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found the docs at the bottom < 1271778071 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see.. < 1271778082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, esolang I guess? < 1271779167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: from mine < 1271779176 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang < 1271779196 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, if i leave some chicken in room temperature overnight, can i die from eating it? < 1271779208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iIlari and pikhq < 1271779210 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i' < 1271779212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1271779221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure at least Ilari and pikhq know < 1271779306 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be really easy to make the thing run non-exponential timely, but i would first like to know its computational class < 1271779315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't given it any thought really < 1271779426 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1271779430 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1271779613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of the language is you can't actually talk about any object, you can just map stuff over all objects < 1271779617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's the only point < 1271779885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO HOW ABOUT THAT CHICKEN < 1271779912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just eat something else and eat the chicken some other day -> < 1271780326 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...about the chicken, there's a lot of information about what can cause food poisoning, but why would i give a shit about food poisoning if i don't die < 1271780349 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1271780368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: what's the probability that i die from eating chicken i left in room temperature overnight < 1271780396 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very small < 1271780401 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive done it. < 1271780407 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, <3 < 1271780409 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1271780409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm pretty sure it's 0%, but i've heard some stories about people actually dying of food poisoning < 1271780414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have? < 1271780417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1271780421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i will too < 1271780429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye :P < 1271780460 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait umm < 1271780465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there's also some cheese involved < 1271780474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might complicate things? < 1271780531 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't there be statistics on this stuff online < 1271780677 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1271781029 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271781199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i decided to eat them because they tasted okay when i tasted them without cooking < 1271781216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i suppose this is it, consider the language my obituary < 1271781249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do get food-poisoned, it's likely to be curable < 1271781330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1271781347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd think there's a continuous scale of food-poisonings < 1271781356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worseness scale < 1271782136 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: lament < 1271783287 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1271783400 0 :oklofok!~oklopol@a91-153-122-35.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1271783923 0 :MigoMipo!~MigoMipo@84-217-13-224.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271783957 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1271785539 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1271786843 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1271787511 0 :|MigoMipo|!~MigoMipo@84-217-13-224.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1271787741 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1271788183 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1271789585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Noone ever wants to hang out with me in #malbolge :( Of course not. All the cool kids hang out in #malbolge-t < 1271789645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#malbolge was empty and unregistered when I looked < 1271789665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#malbolge-t likewise < 1271789681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :context indicated Freenode, but not strongly; I suspect they were just joking < 1271790985 0 :charlls!~charlls@201.226.222.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1271791478 0 :|MigoMipo|!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1271791967 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1271791970 0 :charlesq__!~charlls@201.226.222.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1271792028 0 :charlesq__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1271793069 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-253.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1271793082 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1271793092 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1271794706 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1271795643 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1271795748 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1271797547 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271797687 0 :nooga!~nooga@188.74.79.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1271797690 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1271797695 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm stuck in edinburgh < 1271797719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ash cloud? < 1271797723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they wouldn't let a simple pole on a complex plane today? < 1271797746 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hahahaha ohohoho < 1271797766 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the f#$$%#$, icelandic ash cloud < 1271797779 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icelanders smoke too much < 1271797809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a pretty impressive joke to come up with so quickly < 1271797819 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polandball cannot into poland < 1271797833 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm enraged < 1271797835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well it's not quite new < 1271797856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, an existing joke, modified to fit in the context? < 1271797861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1271797987 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently reading: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/btkx2/hands_up_who_is_secretly_hoping_katla_erupts_just/ < 1271798394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine reactions would change significantly based on whether it kills a lot of people, or just makes air travel impossible for a decade < 1271798400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second would give the world quite a wake-up call < 1271798405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first would mostly be ignored < 1271798425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... right < 1271798451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2257 < 1271798475 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleak, but realistic < 1271798509 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like eyftljktl < 1271798523 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't find that very hard to pronounce at all :D
< 1271798534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the ll's are a bit surprising < 1271798566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the last one < 1271798694 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welsh uses ll for a voiceless lateral fricative < 1271798788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my own dialect does strange things with l itself, like many norwegian ones < 1271798849 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1271798908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fjell (cognate with -fjall- there) has a palatalized one, kull (not the same as jökull, but rather "coal") has the strange retroflex flap < 1271798999 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the palatized is common in some dialects of swedish < 1271799000 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tillit (trust) has a "normal" l < 1271799076 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, I consider the "normal" swedish to have the same l everywhere, and I think the dialects that do weird stuff do it consistently < 1271799157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well standard norwegian does more or less the same one everywhere < 1271799211 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(newscaster pronunciation, or something) < 1271799982 0 :Azstal!~asztal@host86-156-103-7.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271799988 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1271799997 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1271800267 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1271800274 0 :nooga!~nooga@188.74.72.61 JOIN :#esoteric < 1271800336 0 :Asztal!~asztal@host86-155-79-126.range86-155.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271800510 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1271800522 0 :Asztal!~asztal@host86-166-170-145.range86-166.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271800752 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1271801134 0 :Azstal!~asztal@host86-156-196-73.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271801237 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1271801248 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1271801363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1271802004 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Hey! Listen! < 1271802150 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net < 1271803163 0 :charlls!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Saliendo < 1271803673 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders the decision problem "in formal system X, there is a proof of Y whose length is less than n"
< 1271803699 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where n is written in unary or something. < 1271803741 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that decision problem is in NP. < 1271803755 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you restrict the formal system to stuff that runs in polynomial time, I guess. < 1271803762 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do so. < 1271803779 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, I'm quite sure that's in NP. < 1271803805 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it seems like it's not in P, but maybe it is. < 1271804057 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make Y any SAT problem, i should think. < 1271804058 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can check a proof of length n in polynomial time, then finding it is in NP by definition < 1271804086 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, NP-complete precisely < 1271804122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the n doesn't even really enter into it < 1271804149 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1271804185 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that you need to make it large enough that the obvious test-the-correct-guess proof fits < 1271804189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1271804193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed n was somehow linked to size of Y < 1271804218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... for really _difficult_ Y's, n could be enormous < 1271804234 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use other quantifiers than just existential then you can easily find pspace-complete stuff too < 1271804236 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say if Y is an encoding of something EXPTIME, just for a start < 1271804236 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1271804283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially n is padding to get the whole problem down to NP, given Y's size < 1271804339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: pspace-complete doesn't work because the _proof_ would likely be exponential in size < 1271804360 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i meant in that case the problem isn't in \ < 1271804987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to think it's because of me because i asked if they're gonna give courses on it < 1271805071 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, I want to take a complexity theory course next year. < 1271805073 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1271805104 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also tilings and patterns & cellular automata < 1271805136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh my) < 1271805204 0 :Asztal!~asztal@host86-156-101-144.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271805208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure the rest is that interesting < 1271805216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should stare at the courses again < 1271805220 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm stuck taking stuff like MTH 210 - Communicating in Mathematics. < 1271805221 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to do that every few days < 1271805228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1271805232 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A study of proof techniques used in mathematics. Intensive practice in reading mathematics, expository writing in mathematics, and constructing and writing mathematical proofs. Mathematical content includes elementary logic, congruence arithmetic, set theory, functions, equivalence relations, and equivalence classes." < 1271805254 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already know elementary logic, set theory, functions, equivalence relations, and equivalence classes! < 1271805260 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congruence arithmetic, not so much. < 1271805273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'll be studying the first 5 pages of every math book intensively < 1271805296 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know congruence arithmetic? Z/nZ is a field iff n is a prime < 1271805317 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1271805321 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If congruence arithmetic is the same thing as modular arithmetic, I do know it already. < 1271805326 0 :Asztal!~asztal@host86-156-193-189.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1271805328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it is < 1271805331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should think so < 1271805340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're pathetic < 1271805343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i KNOW it's the same. < 1271805424 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what I'm supposed to do if I already know all the listed topics. < 1271805427 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: the interesting thing is nZ are actually ideals of the ring Z, and in general we know R/I is a field iff I is a maximal ideal of R, and obviously nZ is maximal in Z iff n is a prime (n = mo = mZ is a bigger ideal) < 1271805437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1271805438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typo < 1271805449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(n = mo => mZ is a bigger ideal) < 1271805463 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: take some other course < 1271805473 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a prerequisite for everything. < 1271805492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually have to take prerequisite courses before taking the actual ones? < 1271805501 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally every required math course has this as a prerequisite. < 1271805509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in finland we can do what the fuck we want and everything's free < 1271805518 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you're exaggerating. :P < 1271805524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not < 1271805528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are laws < 1271805537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not all courses give you useful credits < 1271805556 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can take any course you want to, and go to whichever lectures you choose, just do 25% of homework and take the exam < 1271805608 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl, what course is this? < 1271805615 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say "in Finland", are you referring to a specific university? < 1271805621 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: MTH 210, Communicating in Mathematics. < 1271805679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think all universities are free here < 1271805692 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Free" in the sense of being able to take any course you want to? < 1271805713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they cost nothing, i'm also rather sure you can take any course you want to in most unis here < 1271805722 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1271805737 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought such places didn't exist. < 1271805791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also these unicorns who guide ppl from one lecture to the next < 1271805829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Allow me to make your jaw drop then. (because mine already has) < 1271805845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US, $20,000 a semester is not an unusual cost for college. < 1271805897 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually considered going to an american uni for a year mostly for the language, so i knew that < 1271805901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some universities can cost significantly more than that. < 1271805910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah that's pretty horrible < 1271805924 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think $20,000 seems pretty expensive. < 1271805928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Ivy Leagues can get up to $100,000. < 1271805970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for my (crappy) college, it's ~$3,000/semester < 1271805974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some courses at our place that are a bit more strict than usual with the prerequisites, and also some that take a limited number of people and you have to specifically apply for them, but in general what oklopol says goes here too. < 1271805993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though they tend to have full-ride programs if you are accepted and can't afford to pay that) < 1271806073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: I'm counting books, fees, board, not just tuition. < 1271806086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should also mention. $20,000 is also quite often for state-funded schools. < 1271806091 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's still expensive. Not sure. < 1271806102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have the nerve to charge for tax-funded institutions. < 1271806105 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't live at school
< 1271806115 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you talked to those financial aid dudes yet? < 1271806146 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that my dad's now paying for an unlimited data plan, I think I'll hold off < 1271806159 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1271806178 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this is out of gratitude, you're making me slightly angry. :P < 1271806201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, capitalism. < 1271806227 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grand Valley State University's tuition is $4,315 per semester if you're taking 12-16 credits. < 1271806270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I was saying semester when I meant year. XD < 1271806278 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or $6,694, or something in between, depending on whether you're a Michigan resident or not, and on whether you're lower or upper division. < 1271806290 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. In that case, $20,000 isn't so expensive. < 1271806378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah. America seems to feel that education is a privledge for the wealthy or people willing to go in debt for much of their lives. < 1271806385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ain't it "wonderful"? < 1271806394 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we're weird that way. < 1271806411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: By "weird" you of course mean "getting boned". < 1271806435 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how come so many of us #esoteric people are Scandinavian-type people? < 1271806975 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1271807712 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish politics is complicated. There are too many parties. :P < 1271807792 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be worse < 1271807794 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be too few < 1271807911 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I need to figure out how this coalition stuff works. < 1271807936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you're unfamiliar with parliamentary systems? < 1271807943 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely. < 1271807945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as used in pretty much every democracy but the US) < 1271807976 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US is, in a few ways, the strangest country in the world. :P