< 1272585616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like getting rid of the ability to rm random files by removing rm. < 1272585618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does wall need suid? < 1272585622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, that's not going to do much < 1272585637 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sgid tty. < 1272585654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suppose you could get a similar effect by linking up /etc/passwd and write < 1272585666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what wall does. < 1272585680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. It hooks up who and wall. < 1272585700 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wall is a recursive command? < 1272585706 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows what pikhq meant.
< 1272585708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's how it works. < 1272585720 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you meant what you said? o.O < 1272585721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wall/write/ < 1272585741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I meant what I didn't actually say. < 1272585978 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned that the IREX DR800SG is awesomesauce? < 1272586004 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wall? < 1272586020 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, broadcasts to all users on the system < 1272586030 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1272586043 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice nobody pointed out how awesome my update to the front page is :( < 1272586165 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides that Gregor is the Lawlabee of the Lawlabee
< 1272586569 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel more guilty about not feeling guilty than I feel about the whole scenario < 1272586610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't think you should feel that guilty < 1272586618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I see what you did to the main page < 1272586624 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and am unsure whether it's vandalism or not < 1272586632 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what Gregor did that may be guilt-worthy
< 1272586644 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not vandalism :P < 1272586646 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sgeo: < 1272586663 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What front page did Gregor do to? < 1272586682 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1272586689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang's < 1272586905 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Koira (Canis lupus familiaris tai Canis familiaris)[1] on suden kesy jalostettu muoto. < 1272586909 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dog (Canis lupus familiaris or Canis familiaris) [1] is a domesticated wolf processed form. < 1272586919 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love domesticated wolf processed forms. < 1272587011 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay, "koira" is "dog", of course, and "on" is "is". And I guess "suden" is "wolf". < 1272587038 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks some other stuff up.
< 1272587069 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kesy is domesticated, muoto is form, so jalostettu must be processed. < 1272587092 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there's probably a better translation than "domesticated wolf processed form". :P < 1272587263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate jalostettu < 1272587265 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :processed < 1272587331 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'processed' sounds more what is done to food that makes it unhealthy (if it doesn't happen to be already unhealthy)... :-) < 1272587338 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it does. < 1272587369 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to re-learn those verbs that I learned last night. < 1272587382 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention the words for "I" and "me". < 1272587463 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I" is minä, right? < 1272587487 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, those verbs were "lift", "shine", and "get". < 1272587512 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en fi I shine and I lift the dog and the dog gets me. < 1272587515 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Olen paistaa ja minä nosta koira ja koira saa minut. < 1272587541 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that's only approximately right. < 1272587554 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks only sightly better than intertran... :-) < 1272587591 0 :Slereah!~nigger@ANantes-259-1-22-195.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1272587607 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is "I lift the dog" actually "minä nostan koiran"? < 1272587766 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, unless it has some special meaning, yes. Or "nostan koiran". < 1272587930 0 :Azstal!~asztal@host86-171-100-2.range86-171.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1272588008 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1272588012 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1272588128 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://rogeralsing.com/category/domain-specific-languages/ < 1272588143 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting project < 1272588334 0 :Azstal!~asztal@host86-165-75-191.range86-165.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1272588397 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1272588402 0 :Azstal!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Asztal < 1272588877 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then "the dog lifts me" is koira nostaa something, right? I've forgotten the word for "me". < 1272589080 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1272589843 0 :Asztal!~asztal@host86-156-103-145.range86-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1272589849 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, my older brother and I are going back and forth trying to name a chain of countries that border each other. < 1272589854 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out we're really bad at this. < 1272589861 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272589876 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our chain so far: France, Spain, Germany, Austria, the Czech Republic, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Greenland. < 1272589903 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only pair of those that I actually know share a border is Norway and Sweden. < 1272590060 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawl @ Spain->Germany < 1272590065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1272590077 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The beginning might actually have been Spain, France, Germany. < 1272590667 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spain <-> france <-> (germany, czech republic, austria) <-> (denmark, sweden, norway) <-> finland < 1272590683 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a, b, c) is a, b and c bordering eachother < 1272590708 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iceland and greenland are islands, so I don't know how to classify them < 1272591269 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1272591707 0 :fax!~none@unaffiliated/fax JOIN :#esoteric < 1272592318 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1272592323 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1272592965 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1272593171 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1272593588 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1272593623 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-140-214.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1272594925 0 :Asztal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: . < 1272595314 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272595884 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@97-118-187-215.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272596007 0 :fax!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1272596809 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1272597222 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1272598394 0 :Alex3012_!~chatzilla@ool-18b989d3.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272598424 0 :Alex3012_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Alex3012 < 1272600963 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272602541 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@129.241.210.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1272603237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Our chain so far: France, Spain, Germany, Austria, the Czech Republic, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Greenland. < 1272603281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spain doesn't border germany, the czech republic doesn't border norway, denmark doesn't border finland and the last two are remote islands < 1272603321 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Finland border one of Norway, Sweden and Denmark? < 1272603324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although with extended sea borders, you might get to them < 1272603330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both norway and sweden < 1272603362 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we picked precisely the wrong one. < 1272603385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1272603412 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our initial attempt at creating a chain of bordering countries went like this: "The United States." "Canada." "Uh..." < 1272603421 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norway and iceland have bordering sea economic zones, i think < 1272603422 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1272603435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: US->Mexico->good luck. < 1272603438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1272603449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US -> russia, perhaps? i < 1272603471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: note that if you go for "Kingdom of Denmark" you also pick up Greenland and the Faroe Islands. < 1272603489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'m not sure how close alaska is, although they can apparently see russia from their houses < 1272603543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada -> greenland -> iceland -> norway is plausible with economic zone borders, i think < 1272603550 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's why my mom didn't vote for McCain. < 1272603600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Diomede_Islands_Bering_Sea_Jul_2006.jpg < 1272603601 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She'd rather not have her as VP when an old guy's the President. < 1272603615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left side is US, right side is Russia. < 1272603624 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's bedtime; good night, everyone. < 1272603626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 miles. < 1272603650 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vitä-or-something! < 1272603691 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that's even within the political sea borders < 1272603705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little Diomede has a village on it, Big Diomede only has a weather station. < 1272603760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Soviet Russia evacuated it to prevent cross-border contact) < 1272603767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1272603824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Exclusive_Economic_Zones_Nulles.png < 1272603971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the latest agreement with russia, if you include sea area norway is the largest nation in europe :D < 1272603984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that requires ignoring russia past the ural though < 1272605738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd :D < 1272606637 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, 's a good'n today. < 1272606814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humor is present. < 1272606909 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUMOR DETECTED, COUNTERING WITH STUPIDITY < 1272607323 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.2/20100316074819] < 1272607339 0 :adu!~ajr@pool-173-66-9-50.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272607749 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1272607898 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1272609100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1272610044 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1272610167 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1272610716 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1272611325 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1272613863 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1272614399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1272614400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1272616402 0 :RC!~sambuks@203-214-92-192.dyn.iinet.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1272616412 0 :RC!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest33013 < 1272616473 0 :Guest33013!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1272616947 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Hey! Listen! < 1272617558 0 :Axtens!~Axtens@dsl-202-72-158-213.wa.westnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1272618702 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1272618965 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: lament < 1272619208 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272619317 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1272622919 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1272623032 0 :Axtens!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: it's been a long long day and I just wanna go home < 1272623636 0 :lereah_!~lereah@nanpc301.in2p3.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1272623920 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1272624590 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1272625014 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-226-59.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1272630823 0 :adu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: adu < 1272633111 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-132-16-47.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1272633482 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1272633545 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-99.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1272633619 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1272633619 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1272638760 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1272639017 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@150.140.227.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1272639109 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1272640135 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@129.241.210.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1272641997 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-132-16-47.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1272643962 0 :lereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1272644284 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1272645693 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1272646952 0 :alise!~alise@212.183.140.52 JOIN :#esoteric < 1272646959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi alise < 1272646969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye. < 1272646997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1272647011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel rather uncomfortable. I should really wait 'til Friday before going on here. < 1272647057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, thy mother. < 1272647064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 'tis Friday. < 1272647108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what time zone are you in? < 1272647121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder he is uncomfortable if he doesn't know what day it is < 1272647125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er; Saturday. < 1272647130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1272647162 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: British < 1272647170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know < 1272647175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't necessarily mean he's in the UK, though < 1272647182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is. < 1272647242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but the plan is to not be soon, so... < 1272647250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1272647259 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How's that going, BTW? < 1272647272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No progress atm. Sorry. < 1272647279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaw. < 1272647340 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1272647397 0 :hiato!~fdulu@41-132-16-47.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1272647428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: However, I am considering using some sort of organisational aid so I can enslave you lot to help me with the details of the plan were you so inclined. < 1272647432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voluntary slavery; it's the future! < 1272647475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that's _so_ 1984 < 1272648689 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1272648879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I call a meeting in #esoteric-priv. Invitees are pikhq, Sgeo, ais523, oerjan, oklopol, and just about anyone apart from AnMaster really. < 1272649033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news, I just contacted the admin of a website because I wanted to register but disagreed with a frivolous term they'd added to the ToS < 1272649037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I crazy, or not? < 1272649063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I really have to answer that? < 1272649077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you don't < 1272649082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if someone else would, though < 1272649088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the answer is yes. < 1272649100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all I know this is one of these competitions to see if anyone actually /reads/ the ToS of websites or not < 1272649111 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1272649156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, but were you planning on _having_ any firstborn children, anyhow? < 1272649186 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the term? < 1272649238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it was a website concerning glitches in Pokémon games; it wanted me to pledge eternal allegiance to Weaviles < 1272649248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is frankly a ridiculous term < 1272649263 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a joke < 1272649324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1272649339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it's a joke doesn't mean I should disregard it, though < 1272653114 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1272653126 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-11-122.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1272653250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pledges his eternal allegance to Weaviles. Hooray, bug-type Pokemon
< 1272653494 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1272653599 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1272653733 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pledges his eternal allegiance to allegiances.
< 1272653771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can has clang 2.7
< 1272653833 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would also appear to be borken. < 1272653840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: it was a website concerning glitches in Pokémon games; it wanted me to pledge eternal allegiance to Weaviles < 1272653844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an excellent term < 1272653847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have accepted it. < 1272653856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you have something against Weaviles? < 1272653954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how can I discriminate against all the other physical sweepers in existence? < 1272653970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/cc-P8j8OI.s:203: Error: symbol `.LBA6_instrs_' is already defined < 1272653971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1272653981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you just have to have faith. < 1272654023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gah* it actually does try to redefine that several times. < 1272654027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is *broken*. < 1272654054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define PIKHQ "Annoyed" < 1272654059 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define PIKHQ " More annoyed" < 1272654078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: clang went from a moderately poor implementation of computed goto to one that *cannot work*. < 1272654161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears Gentoo's clang ebuild is... Not actually 2.7? < 1272654637 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1272654778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ctan.tug.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/comicsans/ < 1272655538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1272657787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman reminders day! < 1272657826 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1272657880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Ubuntu tell you not to have any applications open during the upgrade process? Surely it's irrelevant while you're downloading the package files. < 1272657924 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1272658130 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also note that they clearly stole the Lucid theme from me. < 1272658161 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently by hacking into my Facebook account, the scum! < 1272658218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it is, but during the actual upgrade, Firefox breaks randomly < 1272658224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen anything else break randomly though < 1272658252 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you upgrading now? < 1272658262 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or have you done it? < 1272658612 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox usually breaks during and after upgrading in my experience < 1272658808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm going to go, so bye. < 1272658810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100401213457] < 1272658834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm still on 9.04! < 1272658844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Lucid good? < 1272658882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, if anyone's interested, the finite derivative of fib(n) is fib(n) + fib(n-2). < 1272659053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I suspect Lucid isn't stable yet < 1272659064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it out, though? < 1272659066 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1272659070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting before upgrading < 1272659073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, be interested in my finite derivative. < 1272659087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting in a vaguely interesting sort of way < 1272659153 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCLIBC_PRINTF_SCANF_POSITIONAL_ARGS=9 < 1272659157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that is pretty strange < 1272659171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo http://esolangs.org/wiki/ais523 < 1272659181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1272659182 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1272659185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (http://esolangs.org/wiki/ais523)S < 1272659185 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/ais523 < 1272659188 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make config in uclibc gives the even stranger prompt: Maximum number of positional args. Either 0 or >= 9. (UCLIBC_PRINTF_SCANF_POSITIONAL_ARGS) [9] < 1272659200 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0, or >=9, huh? < 1272659231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (Hey AnMaster! alise here! I want ais523 to see this: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ais523)S < 1272659232 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey AnMaster! alise here! I want ais523 to see this: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ais523 < 1272659269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo "Hey AnMaster! alise here! I want ais523 to see this: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ais523" < 1272659269 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey AnMaster! alise here! I want ais523 to see this: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ais523 < 1272659272 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh. 1) that's annoying 2) there is nothing I can do, ais filter urls. At best try adding spaces in it like foo . bar or such < 1272659298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is spam on the wiki or such, why not just tell him < 1272659313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's spam on the wiki, my RSS client will tell me < 1272659316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo ais523 doesn't know how to use a computer though... < 1272659316 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/input.26333: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' < 1272659321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo "ais523 doesn't know how to use a computer though..." < 1272659321 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 doesn't know how to use a computer though... < 1272659329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo "LIKE YOU" < 1272659329 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE YOU < 1272659333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so petty < 1272659344 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1272659347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll shut up now < 1272659349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ignores the troll
< 1272659361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo "are there even any bots left for you to ignore?" < 1272659361 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there even any bots left for you to ignore? < 1272659485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:56:08 I find it hard to believe that a link like that could be ontopic < 1272659486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:56:14 and if it is, it has a rather unfortunate URL < 1272659491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In response to "lovethecock dot com" < 1272659494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would we do without you, ais523? < 1272659498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: someone was blatantly trolling < 1272659508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found it an amusing thing to say < 1272659512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well it MIGHT be appropriate... might" < 1272659514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weirding trolls out is the easiest way to get them to leave, IIRC < 1272659567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in the end the troll just got bored < 1272659584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing, posting gay porn links here is likely counterproductive anyway because half the channel will just ask for more < 1272659595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then he tried to start a flamewar, and failed miserably < 1272659610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:02:35 Those of us who enjoy gay porn have some free gay porn links, those of us who don't just ignore *shrugs* < 1272659611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let live, man < 1272659613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let live < 1272659620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MOST MAXIMALLY CHILLED PERSON IN HERE < 1272659691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are trolls so bad at trolling nowadays? < 1272659733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:14:35 I mean, even the Emacs fans here think vi is perfectly usable, and vice versa < 1272659739 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, probably it is just this channel < 1272659749 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was trolling? < 1272659750 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is hard to troll < 1272659754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people in here segregate into {emacs & vi fans} and {emacs & vi haters}. < 1272659756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite strange really. < 1272659756 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: some newbie < 1272659761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We added a new dimension to the emacs/vi thing. < 1272659772 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1272659800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:19:50 personally, I like to use the repos in Sweden < 1272659806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that, but it made me think about AnMaster < 1272659807 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I can't have a nice GUI editor, emacs > vi < 1272659807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I stopped < 1272659809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously) < 1272659833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK, now that's just being petty < 1272659848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can the repos of an entire country be tainted by one of its citizens? < 1272659858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless, it's someone really high-up with the ability to taint repos < 1272659858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:27:46 He lost the finger in a crash, that is; he didn't just lop off a perfectly good finger. < 1272659860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just to clarify." < 1272659867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they can't be, it just made me angry every time I did repo stuff < 1272659887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps try norway or finland instead, then < 1272659891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, AnMaster has actually contributed to the neg-value of moving to Sweden as a possible escape option; I'm rather crazy < 1272659910 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of pondering the possibility of going to a Finnish university. < 1272659914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what if he runs into me one day. I'd commit murder. < 1272659920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Why? < 1272659931 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I hear that they're free. < 1272659959 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That comes across as a good reason. < 1272659968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are they in most countries. < 1272659977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Go to Oxford. The country sucks but the university doesn't :P < 1272659985 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a feeling that was the case. < 1272660002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, well, Oxford is a nice place. < 1272660005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :university costs money in the UK, though, presumably unless the Lib Dems somehow win < 1272660023 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My family is kind of reluctant to pay for university. < 1272660026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you actually live here, they give you a loan for that amount with interest pegged at inflation < 1272660031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, yes. < 1272660035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you don't have to repay until you get a job < 1272660043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in theory you can pay for it with your own money once you get some < 1272660043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the Lib Dems win, but I find it unlikely. < 1272660054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Still, that's the price of an Oxford education :P < 1272660063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cheaper than MIT. < 1272660064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even going to get a vote this time, I'll be in Canada and a huge argument broke out when I tried to get someone to proxy-vote for me < 1272660079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) why? (b) why? < 1272660082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't fill in the form because nobody technically promised to proxy for me, they spent all their time trying to persuade each other to do it instead < 1272660089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) conference, (b) I just answered < 1272660093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (c) can I come with you to Canada? < 1272660101 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why all university-age kids don't just go to a place where it's free. < 1272660102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: (c) could be difficult, I imagine < 1272660114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as only have a temporary visa-equivalent < 1272660115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Family. Friends. Culture. Language. etc. < 1272660118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why :((( < 1272660126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm coming back again afterwards < 1272660126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care I'll just tell the unit I'm going on holiday or something < 1272660131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then come back < 1272660132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Most of the time you have to be in the country to get it free. < 1272660135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly BUT STLL. < 1272660147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Canada it's nice. :( < 1272660148 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why bother? My dad pays for everything < 1272660168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, getting dinner < 1272660169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimated time until Sgeo's life comes crashing down and he finds himself completely unable to pay for anything: ??? < 1272660169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which bloody well bones USians. There's no such thing as "free college" here. < 1272660170 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What counts as "being in the country", though? It's difficult to attend a university without being in the same country. < 1272660176 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I thought he didn't. < 1272660179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Residence? < 1272660180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Resident already. < 1272660193 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have to be a resident for a certain amount of time or something? < 1272660195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps even citizenship in some countries. < 1272660197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm pretty sure "being in the EU" counts. :P < 1272660208 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the countries that don't provide education often subsidize it for locals (Canada, for instance) < 1272660230 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sad that when I had an issue with XChat just now, I thought of joining the IRC channel instead of just Googling < 1272660236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, the US doesn't. We're getting freaking boned. < 1272660254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. They "subsidize" it by offering subsidized loans. < 1272660273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not getting freaking boned! < 1272660276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the universities respond by increasing how much they charge by how much loans one can get. < 1272660278 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's still usually more expensive to get educated in the US than in Canada even without government subsidies < 1272660290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes. < 1272660295 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads about free education on Wikipedia.
< 1272660308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada is very tempting. < 1272660359 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I will do anything (almost) for a new router. < 1272660448 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Sweden and Finland, there is no fee for foreign students enrolling at a university, although they may not be eligible for the monthly study allowance and loan most nationals are." < 1272660489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Finland has mandatory military service at 18 btw. < 1272660499 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1272660516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Awesome...howso < 1272660521 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can "military service" consist of doing programming in a safe area for the military? < 1272660524 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ironically. < 1272660533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Sarcastically surely. < 1272660536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1272660539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Perhapsssss... < 1272660540 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1272660545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you want to sleep at night? < 1272660548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. In Finland. < 1272660550 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they have wars in Finland? :P < 1272660574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, military service consists pretty much of learning how to operate your weaponry. :P < 1272660576 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have no reason to believe I'll be shot the next day, I'll be able to sleep at night, I think < 1272660650 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last time the Finnish army fought, they were holding off Hitler. < 1272660690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So you don't care about being responsible for deaths? < 1272660700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the technical term is "sociopath". < 1272660715 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people shooting or dropping bombs are the ones responsible < 1272660725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not true. < 1272660731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not the person who wrote the "explode and cause tons of damage" code in the bomb? < 1272660734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonsense. < 1272660739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The blame is equal. < 1272660739 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally consider deaths to be the responsibility of the people giving the orders, not the people carrying them out. < 1272660744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about someone who says "Kill him"? < 1272660748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: And you'd be wrong. < 1272660750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he's not the one who actually fires the gun... < 1272660761 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, ok, order givers too < 1272660768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: You are under no obligation to follow illegal orders, BTW. < 1272660768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, I think experiments have shown that directly following orders is not such a crime. < 1272660775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But doing-military-programming is very detached from that. < 1272660786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But Hitler will still kill you anyway if you don't... < 1272660789 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I guess you're more right than I implied. < 1272660792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No. Directly following criminal orders will get you hanged for war crimes. < 1272660809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Milgram. < 1272660816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it so wise? < 1272660817 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Nuremberg doesn't care. < 1272660831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care. < 1272660835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm arguing about should-be. < 1272660849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:38:56 I ported gnuplot to my eInk reader. Plots on eInk = friggin' amazing. < 1272660857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnuplot = neither free software or gnu! Also ugly output. < 1272660875 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it seems military service isn't anything to worry about if they're not actually fighting. < 1272660891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. In hypothetical should-be land, starting wars would be the only offense worthy of a death sentence. :P < 1272660925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Yeah, the Finnish army appears to be there so that they *can* fight if they happen to be invaded. < 1272660951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing should be worthy of a death sentence. < 1272660954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, almost nothing. < 1272660992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "Starting the murder of anywhere from hundreds to millions of people"? < 1272661010 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said "almost". < 1272661017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killing someone is more costly than imprisoning them until they die. < 1272661026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes, yes it is. < 1272661028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are you doing an argument-by-moral-outrage? < 1272661048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case I'm wholly uninterested. < 1272661059 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argument-by-moral-outrage is the only way to talk about desert. < 1272661061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, death is less torture than a life of nothingness. < 1272661076 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Desert", pronounced like "dessert", meaning "what people deserve".) < 1272661096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace "what people deserve" with "what a society should do", then. < 1272661105 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1272661145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1272661298 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes: .se is Sweden, .no is Norway, .dk is Denmark, .is is Iceland, and .fi is Finland.
< 1272661358 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden apparently has an official web site at sweden.se. < 1272661456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden, see? < 1272661462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Switzerland is .ch, if it matters < 1272661465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't matter.) < 1272661470 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't matter. < 1272661478 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 750 EUR in USD < 1272661491 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :750 Euros = 993.37500 U.S. dollars < 1272661496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl plans a move at insane speed. < 1272661522 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only a thousand dollars; therefore, I am going. < 1272661533 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though none of us have any idea what "it" is. < 1272661969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : gnuplot = neither free software or gnu! Also ugly output. // gnuplot is most certainly free software, and no, of course it's not GNU. < 1272661982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it is not free software. < 1272661992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is distributed under a license which permits copying and modification of the source code. < 1272661992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, modified versions are only allowed to be distributed as patch files. < 1272662008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This violates the DFSG for one. < 1272662026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no it doesn't; but it almost does. < 1272662032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly not very nice. < 1272662042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nicking GNU's name for something so very... unGNUlike isn't very nice. < 1272662067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, that iRex still needs a keyboard. < 1272662089 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A) GNU sez gnuplot was probably unaware of GNU when they chose the name. < 1272662097 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) The iRex has a tablet screen. < 1272662138 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you made me call iRex instead of IREX, damn it X_X < 1272662160 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate how spelling errors are contagious. < 1272662163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A) gnuplot's official story disagrees < 1272662169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) it's not good for typing on, though. < 1272662172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How light is it? < 1272662178 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1272662186 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not good for longform typing, certainly. < 1272662194 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually pretty happy typing on an iPad. < 1272662199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: You have an iPad? < 1272662202 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People keep calling "IREX" "iRex" because they're applefags. < 1272662207 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I've typed on iPads. < 1272662207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Shame on you :P < 1272662218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Bad name choice :P < 1272662222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eye-rex. i rex. < 1272662224 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use one less finger on an iPad than on a real, three-dimensional keyboard. < 1272662228 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, rex. < 1272662232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very common Apple+popculture ref => iRex < 1272662237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ natural aversion to SHOUTING < 1272662240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hmm... does the IREX have a decent touchscreen? < 1272662247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, could it be feasibly used to, say, use the pen to draw mathematical notation? < 1272662249 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a /tablet/ screen. < 1272662255 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's quite accurate. < 1272662258 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's WACOM. < 1272662264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1272662273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1272662279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wacom? Yeah, that's the freaking best you can *get*. < 1272662282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how mathematical handwriting recognition is doing... < 1272662284 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even detects hovering, although the only program that uses it is the web browser. < 1272662296 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need to use a pen with it? < 1272662302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you could write natural mathematical notation and get it plotted, I may be orgasming right now. < 1272662302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Yes. < 1272662307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: It's a tablet screen, so yes. < 1272662307 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a tablet, not a touchscreen. < 1272662325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it's of sufficient quality that it suffices as a replacement for paper. ;) < 1272662337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So how light is it? < 1272662342 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quite" < 1272662346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than a mere vaguely-useful pointing device. < 1272662350 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, it's light enough that it's never bothered me *shrugs* < 1272662354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, pikhq makes a good point: Is the tablet good enough to be usable for writing on like paper? < 1272662366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does it look jaggedy, etc? < 1272662369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's freaking Wacom. < 1272662392 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a 160dpi screen hooked to a Wacom tablet, it's beautiful. < 1272662397 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's eInk so there is a delay. < 1272662411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dresdencodak.com/2010/02/09/the-process/ This was drawn on a Wacom tablet. < 1272662417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah okay, so, I want one? < 1272662418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any further questions? < 1272662430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1272662430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1272662430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I no longer want one. < 1272662437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. More like "digitally painted". < 1272662445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that Wacom tablets are good. < 1272662449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nothing to do with handwriting. < 1272662451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have here a Wacom tablet I use for nothing, and it's not quite as nice for writing as paper; I'm not quite sure why. Possibly because the markings appear on a far-away screen, and that sort of witchcraft makes me uneasy. < 1272662461 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, stop saying stuff so that I can copy a link from my terminal. :P < 1272662475 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay, resume. < 1272662493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The IREX, though, has the display surface *also* be the writing surface. ;) < 1272662500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also eInk. < 1272662511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dvice.com/assets_c/2009/09/irex_front_page-thumb-550x695-24643.jpg Most WTF ebook demonstration text ever XD < 1272662522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, that might help. Not sure about the lag, that also sounds a bit otherworldly. < 1272662568 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not trying to prostletize the IREX, it really is useful mainly for reading and little else. I've found it to be quite nice for taking notes, but it doesn't FEEL like paper so I can see how others would disagree. If you want a device for reading, it's great, and you may get a few other perks. If you want a general-purpose computing device, go get raped by Apple. < 1272662629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's just so close to something I really, really want. < 1272662634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If eInk had computer-display-style lag, or near it, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. < 1272662644 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, that's a major disadvantage. < 1272662651 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About what's eInk's lag? < 1272662655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, quite honestly, a pen and something roughly paper-sized is bliss, no matter what it controls. < 1272662658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: ? < 1272662661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: It exists and is notable. < 1272662665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1272662666 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: There are different refresh modes, so it kinda depends. < 1272662671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't really use it for normal-style handwriting. < 1272662672 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1272662682 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "quick refresh" is very nearly instantaneous, but can create black->white ghosting. < 1272662696 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "slow refresh" is roughly half a second tops, and crisp. < 1272662702 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are a few modes in between. < 1272662915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears to be pretty much the best eBook reader for... Not-sucking. < 1272662972 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the quick-refresh mode can also create white->black ghosting, but that's sort of irrelevant since it's just "slightly lighter text than you expected" < 1272663016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you could quite reasonably run whatever you want on it, so long as it'll work well with the display. < 1272663066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would be *horribly* tempted to shove FreeCiv on there or something
< 1272663085 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeCiv would be bad probably :P < 1272663105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Input could be annoying for that. < 1272663121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The display, though? Modify it to not make things flash, and you're good. < 1272663144 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as you don't scroll, or move :P < 1272663373 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1272663374 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.studyinsweden.se/Course-search/ < 1272663380 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is mathematics considered a "natural science"? < 1272663461 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose. < 1272663482 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gosh, it looks like they don't teach mathematics in Sweden. :P < 1272663502 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it looks like most universities don't have any programs. < 1272663507 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this search is not comprehensive. :P < 1272663722 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a pen and something phone-sized? < 1272663787 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think I will ask Reddit what to do. < 1272663797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel an urge to say something about that being like doing all your writing on post-it notes, though that's not quite it. < 1272663938 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the third time I've dropped my phone, in 3 days < 1272663962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm starting to get Android cold feet < 1272663975 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wondering if I should return this and wait for the Evo, or return it and get an iPhone < 1272663986 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. I hope its screen isn't as easily breakable as my brother's iPhone's was. < 1272664000 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to drop it, don't get an iPhone. :P < 1272664483 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1272664737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for the not-being-required-to-follow-criminal-orders thing, wouldn't people do it because they were afraid of being shot by the person giving the orders if they didn't? < 1272664818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do Not Get An iPhone. < 1272664824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is one piece of advice I can give you it is THIS. < 1272664836 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why? < 1272664838 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don < 1272664843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say "morality" < 1272664849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, morality. < 1272664851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suck it. < 1272664867 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are iPhone immoral? < 1272664875 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Look, an unmarked plural.) < 1272664876 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any reasons BESIDES "morality"? < 1272664884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Because of the recent ToS changes? < 1272664887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1272664896 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feeding a dangerous, actively malicious entity: bad. < 1272664897 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unmarked plural are immoral! < 1272664897 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty much completely unaware of the ToS. < 1272664910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Basically, all applications must now be /originally/ written in Objective-C. < 1272664914 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noo! I love unmarked plural! < 1272664919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are platonically /not allowed/ to do ANY compilation, whatsoever. < 1272664932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This also bans all Flash applications, which is no coincidence. < 1272664968 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it means there's no "3rd party" between the dev and the system. While I see the argument against requriing a third party, if it's optional, why block it? < 1272665031 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I really wonder why they require apps to be written in Objective-C. It makes it more difficult to turn an existing app into an iPhone app but not to turn an iPhone app into a non-iPhone app. < 1272665041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: To stop Flash. < 1272665046 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1272665053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have almost admitted as much, and Steve Jobs recently posted a note talking about how crap Flash is. < 1272665080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't they just say "no converted flash apps"? < 1272665082 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean it's specifically to make writing Flash stuff less attractive? < 1272665086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically saying "fuck off, we are creating a beautiful new platonic garden with developers as our sex slaves. And we don't like you. Therefore, time to drive you out of the market with the very visible gigantic hand of Steve Jobs, which has taken a break from its usual activity (masturbation)." < 1272665096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Less attractive i.e. not allowed on the App Store. < 1272665098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So very much less attractive. < 1272665101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not attractive at all. < 1272665104 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1272665116 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does want to see Flash die..
< 1272665122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, also, any other budding young frameworks like the C# etc. ones. < 1272665131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including some "point-'n-click" ones designed for kids and the like. < 1272665144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I want to see [some horrible person] die, but I wouldn't kill them. < 1272665150 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drag-and-drop programming languages are so cute. < 1272665161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would not support whoever killed them. < 1272665172 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash is not a human being. < 1272665180 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash isn't a person. < 1272665181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care. < 1272665188 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Killing Flash is not the same sort of thing as killing a person. < 1272665190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The enemy of my enemy: not my friend. < 1272665202 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would love to see both Apple and Adobe suffer
< 1272665207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe Apple's practices are immoral; so, irrespective of me hating Flash and wanting it to die, I do not support them. < 1272665208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple. < 1272665228 0 :maedhros777!~michael@c-76-118-245-128.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272665244 0 :maedhros777!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1272665380 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at Adobe's surly error message regarding Flash on the iPhone.
< 1272665423 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apple restricts use of technologies required by products like Adobe® Flash® Player. Until Apple eliminates these restrictions, Adobe cannot provide Flash Player for the iPhone, iPad or iPod touch." < 1272665427 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, surliness. < 1272665437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No doubt that Adobe are dicks and idiots. < 1272665437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not really my point at all. < 1272665492 0 :cheater2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1272665528 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-226-59.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1272665615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fuddles about with notations for the lambda calculus.
< 1272665691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my currently preferred notation is (λx : E) for a λ-abstraction, and (f·x) for application. < 1272665745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y := λf : (λx : f·(x·x)) · (λx : f·(x·x)) < 1272665820 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1272665892 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1272666150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are the characters in the log screwed up? < 1272666206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set charset to utf-8 in browser. < 1272666209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in View menu, most likely.) < 1272666227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes... < 1272666239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it do that itself? < 1272666353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird... The progress monitor for the Lucid update has been giving basically the same estimates for time for about 7 hours. < 1272666392 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who links to xkcd at this point will be shot. < 1272666398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1272666477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tunes.org is old; clog is crufty. < 1272666709 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog? < 1272666968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling just gives footware. < 1272666980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freudian slip... < 1272667145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog is our friendly logging bot. < 1272667148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dustware. < 1272667221 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1272667254 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone else think that it's weird that Hitler has gone from being a hated dictator and mass-murderer to a debating technique? < 1272667278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1272667290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitler is the most prominent Worst Person Ever; so arguing with Hitler is often simply reductio ad absurdum. < 1272667299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, reductio ad absurdum requires a most-superlative example. < 1272667364 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Hitler is just the most prominent example. There are other people that have done Very Bad Things(tm). < 1272667400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1272667402 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-198.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272667403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I said the most prominent. < 1272667413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When writing an argument, usually you avoid obscure examples unless you need them for some reason. < 1272667430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when picking a most-evil person, Hitler is the easiest choice. < 1272667460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, I mean, a lot of people even dispute Mao and Stalin's evilosity, but basically nobody disputes that Hitler was evil (and those that do almost certainly aren't going for coherent argument). < 1272667488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mention this because of this: http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Richard_Dawkins < 1272667494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scroll to the bottom. < 1272667524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conservapedia contents are hating techniques, not debating techniques :-) < 1272667541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[It appears as if both the political left and the political right are beginning to perceive the atheist and evolutionist Richard Dawkins as a "clown". The Huffington Post and the Canadian publication the National Post have both referred to Richard Dawkins as a "clown" recently. Conservapedia is considering adding material to its Richard Dawkins article in order to incorporate the public's growing perception that Dawkins is a clown. Dawkins certainly has a < 1272667542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : penchant for engaging in publicity stunts, yet in far too many cases he fails to provide the public with anything of real importance and substance.conservative 18:18, 21 April 2010 (EDT) ]] < 1272667557 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1272667558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Kenneth. < 1272667565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Conservapedia is considering adding material to its Richard Dawkins article in order to incorporate the public's growing perception that Dawkins is a clown. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1272667570 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A never-ending font of stupidity. < 1272667585 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1272667587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm laughing so hard atm < 1272667589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ that quote < 1272667609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dawkins, a clown? LMAO. < 1272667625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He may be the closest thing to an atheist fundamentalist there is, but a clown? LMAO. < 1272667643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are far more "fundamentalist" atheists than Dawkins. < 1272667653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dawkins is just the only quasi-rationalist in the public eye. < 1272667665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the few well-known atheists not modest or apologetic about their atheism, so... < 1272667673 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets worse: for a while the Dawkins article had the Hitler picture *above the photo of Dawkins*. < 1272667675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, fine. He's the closest thing to an atheist fundamentalist in the public eye. < 1272667688 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *facepalm* < 1272667702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is like Goedel's fabled systems. < 1272667720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can show that he knows God doesn't exist, but you can't prove to him that God doesn't exist! This is some sort of or another deep observation that I have done here made. < 1272667724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How so? (I'm missing the reference) < 1272667733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find myself wondering down paths of ultimate stupidity, sometimes. This time is one of those times. < 1272667742 0 :Rugxulo!~rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272667756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, by "fabled" I mean "almost all". < 1272667762 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here code in Perl? < 1272667767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately not. < 1272667780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#esoteric is not associated with the joke language Perl, please visit www.perl.org" -- topic until a moment ago < 1272667814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For every set x, there exists a set y whose members include: < 1272667815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * x itself; < 1272667815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * every subset of every member of y; < 1272667815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * the power set of every member of y; < 1272667815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * every subset of y of cardinality less than that of y." < 1272667816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and a pony. < 1272667855 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!seen mtve < 1272667872 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, is there a way to find out when mtve was actually active here? < 1272667877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1272667878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grep logs. < 1272667882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But: A while. < 1272667963 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this "Perl" thing? I have looked at various programs written in it and I can only surmise that it is an esolang of the highest order. < 1272667969 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems silly to be on a channel for weeks without saying anything :-/ < 1272667970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My birthday's tomorrow, and nothing interesting is going to happen. < 1272667982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Computers, bouncers, etc. < 1272667988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Higher-order esolangs: quantifying over all possible esolangs. < 1272667995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'll bake you a fake cake. < 1272668005 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks Perl is way too complicated
< 1272668015 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is worse, Perl or Bash? < 1272668030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Girl I know did her final project for a UNIX class in Perl instead of Bash < 1272668036 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bash. At least I *know* that I don't know Perl. < 1272668049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do Perl quite a lot. Well, occasionally, anyway. < 1272668056 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I use zsh anyway... < 1272668082 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-34-17-217.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272668083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plugs zsh
< 1272668097 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang idea: Language with loads of operations with no apparent pattern... < 1272668104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J! < 1272668131 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse, Perl or Bash?? uh ... both can be horribly misused < 1272668139 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't inherently bad, just not ideal < 1272668167 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has heard somewhere "Remember that Perl was invented BECAUSE Bash is such a horrible language"
< 1272668171 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something along those lines < 1272668174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why were you asking after Perl people, though? < 1272668191 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for random comments, nothing important < 1272668204 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve wrote a Befunge93 interpreter in Perl, for instance < 1272668231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this different from CPAN's Language::Befunge module? < 1272668248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1272668253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess so. < 1272668254 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works in 5.6.1 but not 5.005, apparently needs "->" added after "{$cmd[$_]}" but before "()" < 1272668254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1272668263 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's different < 1272668275 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language::Befunge is Jerome Quelin's B98 interpreter < 1272668299 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long story short, I'm not impressed with how difficult it is to build Perl < 1272668320 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how it has changed, how many corner cases it apparently has, too many modules, etc. < 1272668336 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hate it, but I don't really like it either < 1272668337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corner cases? < 1272668348 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's crufty, but I think it's still somehow endearing. < 1272668352 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird idiosyncracies < 1272668355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't build it. < 1272668368 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, everything is crufty, it's just it confuses the crap out of me < 1272668374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Wait, you mean there exist UNIX systems *without* Perl? < 1272668379 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1272668380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo uses DOS and Windows. < 1272668392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. That explains it. < 1272668395 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I checked, neither FreeBSD nor OpenBSD come with it by default (or did you mean "no port available"?) < 1272668403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use an OS that lets you develop! < 1272668421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Not all distros will come with it by default, no. < 1272668430 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several ports for DOS, OS/2, Windows ... it's not that, it's just ugly, complicated, easy to break, too *nix-oriented, etc. < 1272668431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't imagine there being a distro *without* packages for it. < 1272668475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still one of the most commonly used languages. Hooray, being entrenched. < 1272668486 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just hard for me to personally justify wanting to use Perl over something else, that's all ... I can't think of many reasons for me to want to use it < 1272668494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Ugly, complicated, and easy to break? Sounds just like Windows. < 1272668518 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO, at some point, you can overcomplicate things so much that they almost lose their usefulness < 1272668541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can select a comfortable subset of features and use that, if you like. (But certainly you don't *have* to use Perl if you don't want to.) < 1272668542 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't use Windows. At all. It makes no sense to me. < 1272668578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can use Windows. It's just like social interaction: a bunch of arbitrary, complicated rules; heuristics for emulating them often break, and you're left feeling utterly bemused. < 1272668626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, in the arrow thing, you can write consistently "$foo{$bar}->($baz);" if it makes more sense to you. It would to me; I wasn't actually aware that modern Perls have made the ->s between subscripts/parens optional for dereferencing a chain of references. < 1272668638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Still, use an OS that lets you develop. < 1272668666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's non-trivial to get a compiler working, you're doing it wrong. < 1272668694 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for reasons why you might want to use it, CPAN is one; even if the quality does vary, there's certainly a lot of it. < 1272668699 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler works, just the whole build process of Perl wasn't exactly perfect < 1272668724 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in Perl, the outcome of "nanosecond" == "nanosecond" is even OS dependent? < 1272668730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/8719/166350.aspx < 1272668733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did the compiler come with Windows? < 1272668741 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: use eq < 1272668742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If no, you're doing it wrong. < 1272668744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: why not use strawberry perl etc < 1272668753 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows has no compiler by default (I assume you knew that) < 1272668764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very well aware. < 1272668767 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :== should fail in strict mode < 1272668781 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I was just curious about building it, I'm aware of pre-made binaries < 1272668801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can hardly call something an "OS" if it doesn't come with a way of writing new programs. < 1272668808 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that "windows scripting host" thing in it. < 1272668812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write JScript or something. < 1272668824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: I have no clue about the details.) < 1272668832 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not defending Windows, it does a lot of strange and dumb things < 1272668834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can. < 1272668837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is actually quite nice to use. < 1272668859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's Windows Script Host nowadays. < 1272668869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I'm not even saying you should use Perl. Just an OS that makes developing things nice. ;) < 1272668870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so Android isn't an OS? < 1272668895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1272668904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, Android is a Linux distribution. < 1272668906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1272668921 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pkhq, what tools are you thinking of, in particular? < 1272668933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can cut some slack to embedded-targeting things; at least it comes "with" a separate SDK you can fetch. < 1272668958 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1272668972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... cc, make, a decent text editor? (for a C-based OS. make only included because it's still the ubiquitous C build system) < 1272669000 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all OSes have ports of those things < 1272669009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for something Lisp-based, a freaking Lisp compiler and a decent text editor. For Forth, well. Is there such a thing as Forth *without* the compiler?) < 1272669018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't not have them. < 1272669040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're more fundamental than a GUI to my OS. < 1272669076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the GUI is optional. GCC is not.) < 1272669098 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm feeling one of those desires to create my own computer system from the ground up again. < 1272669100 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's frustratingly inverted on Macs. < 1272669135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have so many times wished that Macs had something more than outdated versions of Python and Perl. < 1272669136 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, gcc? < 1272669142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X is still "better" than Windows in that regard, since it has the development tools on the installation media, they're not just installed by default. < 1272669162 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macs don't have the most recent versions of Python and Perl? < 1272669167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least my discs included some version of Xcode.) < 1272669174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the ones I was using didn't. < 1272669200 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like Python 3.1.2 is available for the Mac. < 1272669221 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available-schmavailable, but I guess this was about what is included in the OS? < 1272669231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1272669241 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those tend to be rather old-ish. < 1272669243 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I currently have Perl 5.8.9 on my Mac. < 1272669267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it was a shared computer to which I did not have root. < 1272669275 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, the only reason for me even trying 5.005 was that it was smaller than 5.61, and I was curious why < 1272669284 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's a problem with the computer, not with Macs. < 1272669288 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course 5.8.8 is like three times that of 5.6.1) < 1272669323 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Yeah. < 1272669404 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-198.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272669469 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could call it a problem with OS X in the sense that they don't bother using the nifty update system they have for delivering more up-to-date copies of Perl/Python. On the other hand, Debian etch (which was the stable version still at the beginning of last year) has just Python 2.4. < 1272669508 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 2.4 so horrible? < 1272669513 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1272669520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Debiant stable, as you well know, is about having the same version of everything until the next release. < 1272669524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Despite his dislike for computers it would seem that he had a fondness for video games. On some computers in the Linux labs Dijkstra showed up as having the high score for XBoing. " < 1272669529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4 is awful < 1272669536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to 2.6 < 1272669539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian Stable, even. < 1272669545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many useful additions in 2.6 -- hardly can be compared. < 1272669545 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but better than 2.2, 2.0, 1.5.2 ;-) < 1272669562 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't 2.6 the "brought some stuff from 3.x" release? < 1272669601 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they've even set a five-year-limit to the 2.6 series until officially deprecated (if not already) < 1272669641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's very deprecated yet; at least docs.python.org offers 2.6.5 docs by default. (Caution: not really evidence of anything.) < 1272669680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The current production versions are Python 2.6.5 and Python 3.1.2. -- If you don't know which version to use, start with Python 2.6.5; more existing third party software is compatible with Python 2 than Python 3 right now." < 1272669722 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Perl is (apparently) on 5.12.x, which seems odd to me :-/ < 1272669752 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, either 2.6 or 2.7 will be the last 2.x series < 1272669765 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you go < 1272669768 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Python 2.7 is scheduled to be the last major version in the 2.x series before it moves into 5 years of bugfix-only mode." < 1272669771 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1272669795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1272669824 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Float repr improvements backported from 3.x, A backport of the memoryview object from 3.x" < 1272669844 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in short, Perl 6 and Python 3 are the future < 1272669906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to mention Perl 6, if you mind Perl 5's historical baggage. I just have some doubts on whether much is happening over there. < 1272670052 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they were almost close to releasing a milestone for it, but one dude's wife had medical issues, so it got slightly delayed < 1272670139 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parrot's language list is funny-long, though I have a feeling most of those are pretty rudimentary hacks. < 1272670167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Arc, APL, bc, Befunge, Brainfuck, C, Common Lisp, ECMAScript (aka JavaScript), Forth, Generic Imperative Language, GNU m4, HQ9 Plus, Jako, Java, Java bytecode, Joy, Lazy K, Lisp, LOLCODE, Lua, MiniPerl (Perl 1.0), NQP (Not Quite Perl), Octave, Ook!, Perl (via Rakudo), PHP (via Pipp), Python, QuickBASIC 4.5, Ruby (via Cardinal), Scheme, Shakespeare, Smalltalk (via Chitchat), the "squaak" tutorial language, Tcl (via partcl), Unlambda, WMLScript, and .NET bytec < 1272670167 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ode." (Wikipedia; can't be bothered to go look at the official list.) < 1272670200 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, some of them are buggy, from what I read, but somebody did fix up the Befunge version a few years ago < 1272670207 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never tried it yet, though
< 1272670229 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MiniPerl (Perl 1.0)" ... wtf?? o_O < 1272670258 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QuickBASIC 4.5, yeah right ... even FreeBASIC isn't fully compatible < 1272670275 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, it's on the "abandoned projects" list officially; "Written by Jeff Goff. Was in 'languages/miniperl' in Parrot svn repository until r12805." < 1272670287 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is? < 1272670291 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiniPerl. < 1272670299 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can't quite find out what it was. < 1272670301 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what exactly it implemented
< 1272670309 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://trac.parrot.org/parrot/wiki/Languages has the official list, it's not very copypasteable. < 1272670347 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humorously, for the befunge-on-Parrot, "passing tests: 1/1 (100%)" < 1272670401 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1272670428 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HQ9+ passes 13/13 tests, and is marked "stable". Well, if you aim low... < 1272670448 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell ... ? < 1272670458 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, Befunge seems to have "test.bef" and "pascserp.bef" < 1272670482 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :io.pir (last changed 37 hours ago!) < 1272670522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously under hectic development. < 1272670526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most important things first. < 1272670587 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yowza, the "Forth" listed there is almost definitely useless < 1272670617 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the filesizes are insanely small, as are the tests < 1272670632 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, snack break < 1272670716 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1272670979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toy Forths tend to be pretty tiny. < 1272670996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM has that "Stacker" language, which is sort-of Forth-like, but also seems pretty useless. < 1272671128 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly I think it was more of a tutorial than something intending to be an implementation of anything. < 1272671262 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely not related, but: the csharp-mode in my Emacs lets me open one .cs file and edit it without problems, but if I go and open another I start getting strange errors and the indentation and other stuff no longer works. < 1272671277 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of a sign that man is not meant to mess around with C# in Emacs. < 1272671375 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-198.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1272671380 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try opening another frame, see if that helps < 1272671418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, I'll have to try that the next time. Quit-and-restart works, but it's still a bit annoying. < 1272671431 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Variable binding depth exceeds max-specpdl-size" is what it mostly says. < 1272671487 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what Emacs are you using? < 1272671516 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and BTW, Parrot has "Punie" (Perl 1) < 1272671542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xemacs is dead < 1272671552 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means there is gnu emacs and µemacs to choose from < 1272671566 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well xemacs might be technically alive < 1272671572 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is so dead it doesn't matter < 1272671603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xemacs is not dead. < 1272671607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it is actively developed < 1272671612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- but you wouldn't see that from inside your gnububble. < 1272671634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (Ubuntu emacs-snapshot 1:20090909-1), which has CC-mode 5.31.7; csharp-mode is documented to work with "cc-mode 5.31.3, which is current at this time." < 1272671643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be just some wonkiness in the snapshot version. < 1272671702 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine they test cc-mode before shipping it, so assuming you weren't using some outside version, it should work (or so we'd hope!) < 1272671732 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster, which MicroEmacs? the most "active" variant was/is JASSPA < 1272671744 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed "emacs-snapshot" because I couldn't wait for emacs23; now that it's been out a while, I'm not sure I actually need the snapshot. < 1272671786 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 23.1.50.1 is newer than 23.1 < 1272671820 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that's why < 1272671827 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy emacsers. < 1272671831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JASSPA MicroEmacs is not really micro at all. < 1272671835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Crazy viers. < 1272671840 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim < 1272671878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impious viaeity; that then thoroughly descend't into most vain vimaeity. < 1272671879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually a semi-converted Vimer-for-many-years; wouldn't think it completely impossible that I'd swing back some day. < 1272671894 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to GNU Emacs, it is < 1272671899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I keep trying to use Emacs keys in Vim, and writing ":wq" all over files in Emacs. < 1272671903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lo, all ye men of fortune; lo, all ye men poor; the End Times are Come, and Vi is their call. < 1272671914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vi, Vi, Vi - the number of the beast. < 1272671915 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use Viper then < 1272671933 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or VILE, which is loosely MicroEmacs-based < 1272671933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yet there was one clan other, promis't under veils to differ, < 1272671945 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, maybe this sort of dual-editoring is good exercise for the brain. It certainly could use some. < 1272671947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to rid the worlde of these vi-folk numerous; all lies, a facade. < 1272671954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not be fooled, young ones. < 1272671963 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VILE is quite nice actually. < 1272671965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really vile at all. < 1272671994 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JED is good too, if you prefer reasonable-sized Emacs-ish editors