00:00:26 i suppose different bases work for different increments 00:00:59 (a^(x+d)-a^x)/d = a^x 00:01:14 I suddenly have an odd feeling that I'm about to say something and alise is going to contradict me. 00:01:22 uorygl: No you aren't. 00:01:32 <=> a^d - 1 = d 00:01:39 Anyway, if a hypothesis is falsifiable, then as the time it's gone without being falsified approaches infinity, its probability approaches 1. 00:02:50 uorygl: True if and only if someone's /trying/ to falsify it. 00:02:54 well assuming the conditional probability of falsification has a nonzero lower bound per time unit... 00:02:54 Right. 00:03:05 (conditional on it being false) 00:03:09 If I said "pink elephants exist in a planet where everybody has penises of length -3.4i halfinches, and every fortnight they all explode and come back together again", 00:03:11 and nobody challenged it, 00:03:17 I don't think we could assume it gets more probable! 00:03:39 That's not falsifiable, though. 00:04:39 It is; "the planet is [some space we will be able to visit in the future]; we will be able to visit it in N years" 00:04:49 I could say, "The universe contains no planets that do not have sapient life but do have blue, hairy creatures that secrete food for their young." 00:04:51 set N = very big 00:05:02 even once we're able to visit it 00:05:04 we could falsify it 00:05:10 but let's assume it's in a really boring region of space and nobody does 00:05:13 it doesn't get more likely 00:05:18 alise: I could just always say that we haven't seen that planet because it's outside the observable universe. 00:05:28 Thus, there's no falsifying it. 00:05:28 Let's say it isn't. 00:05:47 The pink elephants are too small to be seen with our technology. 00:06:00 And the two people on it live underground. 00:06:37 No, I'm making it falsifiable. 00:06:45 Oh. 00:06:46 "We will be able to visit it in N years; it is N miles away" 00:06:51 Oh, I see. 00:06:56 Perfectly falsifiable: but let's say it's a really boring region of space, and nobody bothers. 00:07:04 Countless aeons pass. Still no more likely. 00:07:06 I didn't see that that statement was a refinement of the hypothesis. 00:07:14 * uorygl nods. 00:07:26 If people were /actively trying/ to disprove it, and they didn't, then it'd become more likely. 00:07:37 (But it'd take a bloody long infinity for it to become 1.) 00:09:41 -!- bsmntbombdood has joined. 00:09:52 alise: http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54709 00:10:11 there are many like that 00:10:20 including some with a really heavy zalman metal case, you know that thing 00:10:29 question is how much powah can you get. 00:11:59 a totally silent computer is interesting in the psychological effect -- 00:12:06 the computer would become completely ambient, it would make no disruption 00:16:07 http://www.silentpcreview.com/Silverstone_ST45NF_PSU 00:16:16 there's your fanless psu 00:18:11 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 00:19:55 do you mean your as in the one i linked? 00:20:03 because i linked it 00:20:13 didn't see 00:20:43 yeah not a spcr review though http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=silverstone_nightjar_450&num=1 00:20:46 -!- Oranjer has left (?). 00:20:47 what google gave me 00:20:51 450w is pretty fucking good 00:20:57 you could run an i7 and an okay graphics card off that. 00:21:01 indeed 00:21:06 would want megahalems for the i7 mos def 00:21:14 it probably needs some airflow though 00:21:27 and probably one of the videocards that can be ran fanless /without/ a crazy cooler that overheats 00:22:08 bsmntbombdood: I dunno man 00:22:19 open the back of the case entirely (with maybe some dust filter stuff) 00:22:21 or something 00:22:25 let natural airflow take care of it 00:22:30 maybe i7 is a bit excessive 00:22:33 bet i5 could take it though 00:23:46 -!- Tritonio_GR has joined. 00:23:51 i wonder how much passive airflow you'll get from the cpu sink 00:24:36 * uorygl listens to his MacBook. 00:24:48 Yep, it's making sound. 00:25:21 But it's drowned out by the sounds of birds and rustling leaves outside, my dad cooking, my little brother banging stuff, and other appliances. 00:25:23 Of course it is. 00:25:45 No birds and leaves at 12:25 am; nor much cooking going on. Only child, and no appliances are on. 00:25:55 And this is the ooold computer I'm on. Whirrrrrrr. 00:26:01 * uorygl nods. 00:31:30 bsmntbombdood: remember those crazy watercooling solutions we talked about? 00:31:34 no 00:31:51 putting everything in one big loop, then getting a large house radiator 00:32:02 that can handle like 2,600 w 00:32:05 and just pluggin 'er in 00:33:00 "The funny thing is, I never noticed my LCD whine until after reading this post. It has a very quiet, very high frequency line." 00:33:00 FUCKKKK 00:33:09 i can hear it now 00:33:16 oh my goddd 00:33:18 Heh heh. 00:33:19 kill me 00:33:25 i'm going to have to commit suicide. 00:33:55 * uorygl attempts to listen to an LCD whine. 00:34:09 you could put the psu in another room 00:34:26 I think I hear it. 00:34:37 I think my tinnitus is louder than that. 00:35:40 i hate all the armchair engineering that goes into reviewing heatsinks 00:36:13 I used to think I had tinnitus but I think everyone hears whining when things are silent. 00:36:20 something that has 8 heatpipes MUST be better than something 6 00:36:20 That's called tinnitus. 00:36:26 bsmntbombdood: in all fairness mike chin knows what he's doing 00:36:33 maybe you meant someone else 00:36:39 uorygl: no because tinnitus is a condition and it's constant 00:36:49 this heatsink doesn't have a mirror finish, it must suck 00:36:51 Hmm. 00:37:25 bsmntbombdood: now that's ridiculous, spcr certainly doesn't say such bullshit 00:37:34 wasn't talking about spcr 00:37:41 ok :) 00:37:50 yeah hardware review sites almost always suck 00:37:54 ... i like ananadtech though 00:41:32 Now I want to take a hearing test. 00:45:58 http://www.jab-tech.com/YATE-LOON-120mm-Case-Fan-D12SL-12-pr-3009.html 00:50:32 and, http://www.jab-tech.com/Scythe-KAMA-FLEX-80-mm-Silent-Case-Fan-Medium-Speed-SA0825FDB12M-pr-4111.html 00:57:22 bsmntbombdood: the nexus fans are meant to be good. 00:57:36 yate loon is apparently the same manufacturer as the nexus fans, but less reliable quality 00:57:37 (and thus cheaper) 00:57:42 they're kinda oldschool i gather 00:57:44 yate loon = nexus 00:57:49 scythe are excellent. 00:57:51 bsmntbombdood: no 00:57:55 different manufacturer, yes 00:57:58 but nexus have better QC 01:02:10 http://www.silentpcreview.com/article114-page1.html 01:02:13 that looks nice 01:04:57 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:05:10 -!- augur has joined. 01:06:34 -!- Oranjer has joined. 01:15:47 http://www.silentpcreview.com/article601-page1.html 01:15:51 that's interesting 01:16:04 most everything on spcr is 01:16:12 the picopsu is awesome 01:16:18 but only usable for low power situations obviously 01:16:22 even the higher watt brick you attach it to has a fan 01:16:28 so you need to use the lower one 01:16:32 use 2 01:17:12 240 watts, I can barely contain my excitement 01:17:20 "No, use 50!" Now your computer is overheating. 01:17:33 besides, they're $50 a pop. 01:17:51 "Although the power brick is sold separately, Mini-box supplied two power bricks to test alongside the picoPSU, one rated for 80W, the other for either 110W or 120W (depending on which numbers you believe)." 01:18:02 the latter has a cooling fan ("on heavy load" -- most of the time with one of these, surely) 01:18:09 so basically you get ... eighty watts! 01:18:53 would be perfect for an itty bitty system to build inside house walls or something 01:19:00 house walls? why? 01:19:15 for like a kiosk thing? meh 01:19:21 would be v. nice for a media pc of some sort. 01:19:33 wouldn't it be cool to have a computer you couldn't see? 01:19:37 i'm imagining a big tv plugged into a teeny weeny computer running mythtv and all that kinda stuff 01:19:43 bsmntbombdood: well yes, but imagine maintaining it 01:19:46 or would you put a door in the wall 01:19:48 :P 01:19:53 no, that's the point 01:19:55 you can't find it 01:19:59 lol 01:20:03 wireless monitor 01:20:06 or is it just audio 01:20:11 like making ghost noises from the wall 01:20:18 woooh, it's a pc 01:20:23 wifi, duh 01:20:29 yeah wifi monitor 01:20:33 jesus, have you no imagination? 01:20:43 i'm joking, sir 01:22:06 put a couple terabytes storage 01:22:34 couldn't do that with that power supply though 01:22:45 precisely :P 01:22:53 well, 2tb drives don't have too bad power requirements i think 01:22:58 a network storage device would work better :P 01:27:54 -!- augur has changed nick to DalekEmperor. 01:28:03 EXTERMINATE 01:28:04 -!- DalekEmperor has changed nick to AUGUR. 01:28:08 -!- AUGUR has changed nick to augur. 01:29:29 you could also put the power brick far enough away not to hear it 01:30:58 -!- cheater3 has joined. 01:31:53 bsmntbombdood: that is just cheating though. 01:32:00 also, after /too/ far it'll run into problems 01:32:04 and after not far enough you will hear it easy. 01:32:09 silence vs a little noise = a lot 01:34:33 -!- cheater2 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:34:34 bsmntbombdood: You could just use the fanless power brick. :) 01:37:50 80w 01:39:02 Requires some doing, but quite feasible. 01:39:29 Especially if you're going for no-moving-parts. 01:40:14 but the point is that you can get a 0-fan pc doing much more than 80w 01:40:30 there are fanless 450w supplies; use them at 100-200w and you'll only need minimal airflow 01:40:39 be very careful and use a bit less and you'll only need natural airflow 01:40:43 (you'd def. want heatpipes somewhere else) 01:40:52 True. 01:40:56 really the best solution is: bunch of heatpipes + fucking gigantic radiator 01:41:10 but you would have to completely custom-do the heatpipes because i don't think you could mod the zalman easily to go to an external radiator. 01:41:12 The picoPSU is something you'd want for, say, something hooked into your TV running MythTV. 01:41:21 with that though you'd be able to handle a modern pc, save maybe graphics card 01:41:37 get two stonking great radiators and you'd be able to have a good processor and graphics card 01:41:45 of course: this will cost thousands to do the heatpipes & also get the house radiators. 01:41:50 and you will have to make it all yourself 01:41:52 Yes. 01:42:00 but if you did it... that would be utter perfection. 01:42:03 Now where are you going to put the radiators? 01:42:29 My wall of my room in the previous Hexham house that my computer stood at had a down-staircase on the other side. 01:42:38 I was actually thinking about drilling through my wall, running watercooling cables through, 01:42:44 and mounting a gigantic household radiator on the wall of the stairs. 01:42:55 That way it would stay cool in my room and I'd still have some inkling of space... 01:43:03 Better hope that radiator's held up securely though /wince 01:52:36 alise, why are you using WinCE? 01:52:50 What?! 01:52:53 Oh. 01:58:07 -!- augur has changed nick to DalekEmperor. 01:58:58 -!- DalekEmperor has changed nick to augur. 02:01:48 city 02:09:32 Death on a (pogo) stick. 02:14:44 http://gunshowcomic.com/comics/20090930.png 02:20:35 -!- augur has changed nick to DalekEmperor. 02:20:45 -!- DalekEmperor has changed nick to augur. 02:32:26 -!- coppro has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:47:41 -!- Tritonio_GR has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:01:24 what's the point of a set-top box that can't handle 1080p? 03:03:17 alise 03:03:18 http://gunshowcomic.com/d/20100422.html 03:03:21 you are the rabbit in the igloo 03:03:25 1080p is pretty easy to do with a low-power-usage computer. 03:03:41 i am always the rabbit in the igloo 03:03:49 Low power usage for a computer still gets you "able to decode h.264 in real time with ease". 03:03:49 also that page isn't loading for me :/ 03:04:12 pikhq: really? 03:04:21 http://gunshowcomic.com/comics/20100422.gif 03:04:31 Yes. Modern CPUs are both crazy fast *and* don't use that much power. 03:05:05 My *last* CPU was able to decode 1080p h.264 in real time. And it would be a good 7 years old now. (and it was single core.) 03:05:53 now have 1080p h.264 and aac audio packed in matroshka or however you spell it 03:06:05 alise: Matroska. 03:06:09 And yes. Done that. 03:06:13 i'm not sure your old pc could really handle realtime 1080p h.264... that stuff is pretty hardcore 03:06:17 you need about 3ghz single-core iirc 03:06:20 or about 2ghz dual-core 03:06:26 It used about all of my CPU. 03:06:30 i guess it could be a good cpu from 7 years old 03:06:35 *ago 03:07:05 what was top of the line 7 years ago? 03:07:23 Erm. 7? More like 5. XD 03:07:24 i dunno 03:07:27 shit shittingham by Shitco 03:07:45 (technical term) 03:08:13 bsmntbombdood: Some Athlon 64... 03:08:49 This was just a *bit* before Intel trashed Pentium 4 for good, IIRC. 03:09:05 x2? 03:09:14 probably not. 03:09:16 Wait, they shipped P4s up until 2008? 03:09:21 What the fuck Intel? 03:09:21 dual-core came to fashion with the core 2 duo i think 03:09:32 pikhq: they're just sooo good 03:09:40 Yeah, I hadn't purchased an x2. 03:09:56 there's an athlon 64 x2 in this machine right now 03:12:41 My current system can encode h.264 (... 480p) in faster-than-realtime. 03:12:54 yeah 480p :P 03:13:00 (never bothered to check how much faster; I generally start the makefile before I go to sleep.) 03:13:04 1080p h.264 is just glorious 03:13:08 It is. 03:13:24 the problem is that the real world doesn't have enough details to take full advantage. 03:13:25 :( 03:13:32 we should just meticulously draw everything 03:13:37 Pity my monitor is too cheap to display it. 03:13:40 alise: indeed 03:13:50 (it's 1440x900) 03:13:52 speaking of 1080p, i need a new hard drive 03:13:57 lol 03:14:05 bsmntbombdood: 2TB is all the rage. get two, RAID 0 them 03:14:06 bsmntbombdood: MOAR TERABYTES 03:14:08 (just keep backups you bum) 03:14:13 raid0 ftl 03:14:14 4TB of sex for about $400. 03:14:18 also, http://www.mini-box.com/PW-200M-DC-DC-power-supply?sc=8&category=13 03:14:25 Get four, RAID5 them. 03:14:26 so what, you are keeping backups right? 03:14:28 so raid0 it. 03:14:37 a 200w picopsu style 03:14:49 yeah with a fan component 03:14:53 solid-state ftw! 03:15:36 Clearly the next step in solid-state computing is eInk, to get rid of that pesky whine and distracting backlight. 03:16:00 no fan... 03:16:08 surely in the power brick. 03:16:39 oh 03:16:49 laptops generally have fanless power bricks 03:17:08 and also v. low power 03:17:08 we're talking 40-60w here 03:17:13 even the picopsu one can handle 80w 100% fanless 03:17:48 wtf are you talking about 03:18:16 what do you mean 03:18:21 eh 03:18:28 we should just get a bunch of flux capacitors 03:18:31 can power anything 03:18:39 http://www.mini-box.com/picoUPS-100-12V-DC-micro-UPS-system-battery-backup-system?sc=8&category=1264 03:18:40 bwahahaha 03:18:53 lol 03:20:15 hmmmmm 03:20:27 how many watt-hours are in a 12v car battery? 03:20:33 just use the 400-500whatever one 03:20:39 no fan at all 03:20:39 simple 03:21:03 just open all the holes in the case you can, and make sure the cpu heatsink is comfortably away from it 03:21:18 then use a low-power graphics card so you don't need a hefty heatsink because it has little heat output 03:21:21 job done 03:22:32 picopsu is cool just because it's so small 03:22:49 make the smallest modern x86 computer you can 03:22:57 problem is... all mobos are pretty big 03:23:03 I think mini-ITX is the smallest? 03:23:43 so get a low-power cpu with a very small heatsink so that it doesn't take up much height, stick a picopsu on it, a tiny (say the 18 series of intel SSDs) drive, leave the rest to the mobo 03:23:49 custom-make a tiny plastic case for it 03:23:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile-ITX 03:24:29 that's called a smartphone... 03:24:54 smartphones aren't regular x86 puters 03:25:12 That's x86. 03:25:19 oh you mean mobile-itx? 03:25:21 the page hasn't loaded yet 03:25:22 stupid 3g 03:25:29 why limit yourself to x86? 03:25:36 "regular" puter 03:25:39 puter puter puter 03:25:41 such a silly word 03:25:43 puter 03:25:51 Mobile-ITX is 60mm by 60mm. Though it gets a little bit larger due to the needed IO breakout board. 03:27:37 There's also PC/104. 96mm by 90mm, peripherals attached via sticking the board on top. 03:30:23 djb has published a new standard-workstation list of parts & software & stuff since 2005 every one or two years... and since 2006 all of them have been minor revisions with "I haven't assembled it yet, see the 2006 instructions" 03:30:26 why bother, man, why bother 03:30:28 you haven't even tried it :P 03:31:03 Hah. 03:31:20 also dammit i really wish core i7 supported ecc /sigh 03:32:45 I'd go AMD, but AMD processors suck. 03:33:37 pay extra for a xeon 03:33:47 bsmntbombdood: "no" 03:33:59 have to get special mobo, costs a lot more, iffiness about heatsinks, different socket etc. 03:34:19 Xeons are at a "bend over and take it" price point. 03:40:19 's a good price point :P 03:40:27 -!- alise has left (?). 03:40:29 -!- alise has joined. 03:49:23 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117191&cm_re=xeon-_-19-117-191-_-Product 03:49:26 come on, that's not too bad 04:11:48 now add all the other ghosts, and see my other complaints 04:22:43 ghosts? 04:24:02 i'm going to have some tea 04:24:11 er, costs 04:24:13 not ghosts 04:24:16 bsmntbombdood: dammit, I want tea 04:24:19 you're such an english fucker 04:25:50 Fuck it. I'm getting some tea too. 04:26:41 Mmm, delicously delicious Earl Grey. 04:29:17 You know what? 04:29:18 Fuck you guys. 04:29:53 You mean there's a British person without tea? 04:30:03 To obtain tea I would have to: 04:30:15 - go downstairs; a laborous task 04:30:18 - find tea 04:30:20 - prepare tea 04:30:24 - walk back upstairs 04:30:34 I could've sworn the need for tea was so ingrained into the British genome that it was still quite noticable several generations removed from Britain. 04:30:35 Not only am I tired and I should really sleep as it's 4:30 am, but... 04:30:38 naw. 04:30:44 pikhq: SADLY NOT. 04:30:50 I don't even know if there's any decent tea here. 04:30:59 I mean, I still have quite a need for tea. 04:31:08 You're just crazy. 04:31:33 pikhq: You wouldn't even believe it, there are people here who put COW'S MILK in tea! Only Douglas Adams is allowed to do that! 04:31:53 ... You mean there's people who don't do that? 04:31:59 What heathens. 04:32:11 YOU LUNATIC! 04:32:20 * pikhq dances before the moon 04:32:26 *ere 04:32:28 i have lapsang suochong 04:34:22 The traditional hanzi for that is... ? 04:34:37 * pikhq wikipedes 04:35:20 拉普山小種 04:35:24 "拉普山小種". Okay, that's straightforward enough. 04:35:31 wikiPEDOS 04:35:37 anyway seriously FUCK. YOU. GUYS 04:35:54 I expect you to lodge me & provide tea at my convenience as payment for this travesty 04:36:04 http://anandtech.com/show/825/4 04:36:06 "Small variety from the mountain Lap", apparently. 04:36:09 lol, cpu coolers from 2001 04:36:29 alise: Learn Japanese and maybe I will. :P 04:36:38 NO 04:36:41 ...well, okay. 04:36:48 (no reason for that except to make you squirm.) 04:36:55 Can I pay you [learn Japanese] after you provide me with the service? 04:36:58 (though you *do* have the time. :P) 04:37:00 I'll sign a contract! 04:37:07 No I don't... not right now at least. 04:37:11 (I'm too braindead on weekdays to.) 04:37:34 I strongly suspect a major portion of that is boredom. 04:37:45 Belive you me, boredom makes your brain fucking *dead*. 04:38:00 and being woken up at 7am every day. 04:38:05 that helps too 04:38:11 yeah 04:38:17 i think i've been getting dumber 04:38:26 bsmntbombdood: how old are you 04:38:29 Yeah, that's just cruelty to anyone younger than, say, 25. 04:38:34 100 04:38:44 bsmntbombdood: presumably in binary 04:39:08 So, 4b10. 04:39:32 so, today I learned that in third grade, Eliezer Yudkowsky bit his math teacher because she didn't know what a logarithm was 04:39:43 which is just brilliant 04:39:50 Beautiful. 04:39:59 Also, how can you not know what a logarithm is? 04:40:06 I mean *god* that's basic. 04:40:11 10100 in binary 04:40:16 Well, I didn't when I was that age, but that's only because the state education system was tainting my mind. 04:40:32 one of my coworkers was trying to get me to explain logarithms to her the other day 04:40:33 I was dumb right up until approximately the time I dropped out. 04:40:43 she couldn't get it 04:40:54 well your mind shouldn't be going at 20 unless you were exceptionally smart before 04:41:00 so i conclude you're just thinking you're getting dumber! 04:41:21 oh jesus christ 04:41:24 see what i mean? 04:41:30 what 04:41:39 i meant 10011 04:41:40 ...what 04:41:43 lol 04:41:45 fair enough then 04:42:04 pikhq: To make it even more awesome, I learned this as part of the only Harry Potter fanfiction to invoke quantum physics and Bayesian probability... why Yudkowsky wrote it I've no idea: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5782108/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_of_Rationality 04:42:14 ("You turned into a cat! A SMALL cat!") 04:42:15 alise: Hahahah. 04:42:26 It is quite thoroughly awesome though. 04:42:48 He *actually wrote* a HP fanfiction? 04:42:55 Wow. 04:43:19 It's 17 chapters long so far! 04:43:27 It's amazing, in a kind of this-is-an-utterly-pointless-exercise way. 04:43:29 hrm 04:43:33 i want to build another computer 04:43:36 Heheh. 04:43:40 bsmntbombdood: make it solid state 04:43:48 i encourage you to read it 04:44:05 alise: something like that 04:44:18 bsmntbombdood: it'd be awesome 04:44:32 you could use it as your main machine and keep the powerhouse in some network'd cupboard 04:44:40 and then make a command "faster" which sends commands to it 04:44:47 $ gcc ... huge.c 04:44:49 ^C 04:44:51 $ faster gcc ... huge.c 04:44:53 zOMG SPEED 04:44:54 $ 04:45:20 what's the name of the thing i'm thinking of?? 04:45:31 what is that thing 04:45:47 did "faster" automatically 04:45:52 no longer developed iirc 04:45:58 ccache? 04:45:59 distcc? 04:46:03 i assume we're talking cc stuff 04:46:07 rather than auto shellout stuff 04:46:08 Single-image multiprocessing? 04:46:12 i dunno what ccache's actually called 04:46:16 almost 5am damn 04:46:16 Erm. Clustering. 04:46:25 no 04:46:43 general purpose, it would migrate processes back and forth as need 04:47:05 Single-system image clustering. 04:47:36 There's many implementations of it. 04:48:37 ah, MOSIX is what i was thinking of 04:48:58 MOSIX is still developed, though OpenMOSIX isn't. 04:54:11 I thought MOSIX wasn't even developed when it was developed. 04:54:22 Mo' six plz 04:54:33 MOSIX: MAN POSIX! 04:54:35 POSIX for MEN! 04:57:20 Gregor: Hah. 04:57:41 I got 99 problems but POSIX ain't one 05:28:50 -!- Alex3012 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:29:25 -!- Alex3012 has joined. 05:34:28 Ah, I can't wait until I can be awake at this bedtime without a nagging feeling of doubt. 05:38:06 glasses++ 05:38:28 Sgeo: You are now wearing two pairs of glasses?? EXTRAORDINARY! 05:38:42 blargh, i still can't decide what heatsink to get 05:38:53 bsmntbombdood: Terahalems 05:38:59 Like Megahalems, but moreso. 05:39:00 alise, ++ only increments by one. Go back to C-like languages 101? 05:39:06 They take up 3 average office blocks. 05:39:50 Sgeo: Well, if you're the kind of person who needs glasses, you probably put them on every day, and you certainly don't mention it every day. So this has to be some special occurrence, not regular glasses-putting-on. If you need glasses you probably already have them on. So you'd be wearing two pairs. If you didn't need glasses, it's unlikely you'd have a reason to put them on just now. 05:39:57 So the most likely explanation is that you are now wearing two pairs of glasses. 05:40:55 Or, I'm the kind of person who can see perfectly well without glasses, but who has better depth perception with glasses 05:41:16 Then it is strange to mention such a common event as putting on your glasses in here. 05:41:29 Although you do do that quite a lot; I should have adjusted my estimate accordingly. 05:41:31 Ho hum! 05:41:34 I recently [minutes ago] got a hold of these glasses 05:41:46 Haven't worn glasses since 2007 I think 05:41:58 So no, it is not a common occurance 05:42:53 Then you've been living with bad depth perception for that time? Knowingly? 05:43:00 Or is this a recently-discovered thing? 05:43:11 Knowingly 05:43:35 Well that's silly. 05:46:53 Shit, it is almost 6 am! 05:54:54 -!- alise_ has joined. 05:55:01 abc 05:55:43 6 am? Hold out for 5 am, alise! 05:55:44 :P 05:55:58 -wut 05:56:29 -!- alise has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:56:30 Just another 23 hours. 05:56:43 You could even get some tea to help you. 05:56:49 pikhq: You realise that a few hours after /that/, I will have to go back to the Place? 05:56:56 Yes. 05:57:00 And that I can barely function with one day's sleep deprivation? 05:57:05 Yes. 05:57:18 Although one day looks likely now, much as I hate to admit it (as I seem to think that not admitting it will prevent it)... 05:57:29 Happened last week too; why Friday night but not Saturday I wonder? 05:57:36 (Do I sleep, that is.) 05:57:43 Tea would be nice though. But what if things get boring? 05:57:44 Do you realise that I find it hard to be serious? 05:58:21 I know, I know. But your advice is telling me to do things that I want to do, against my better judgement. 05:58:32 So I'm trying to make you refine it into something close but slightly more reasonable and serious. 05:58:46 Which you should probably not do, even though it won't change anything. 05:58:57 Jesus christ, I wish I could just replace myself with a very small, rational, program. 05:59:46 I strongly suggest you spend the next week asleep and wake up refreshed and free on Friday night. 06:01:27 Another facet of my irrationality is that I find it very hard to disobey when the idiotic knocks on the door - like I'm some sort of young child who isn't /intentionally/ not getting out of bed - progress from "