< 1273190595 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273190630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop is, for all intents and purposes, dead < 1273190637 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs a new power cable < 1273191340 0 :augur!~augur@store.redemmas.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1273191451 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-34-17-217.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273191777 0 :CT|P4!p4@89.248.165.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273191966 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate programvareverkstedet < 1273191968 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :var sl_select, tl_select, web_sl_select, web_tl_select;var ctr, web_ctr, h;var tld = ".com";var sug_lab = "";var sug_thk = "";var sug_exp = "";var dhead = "Dictionary";var dmore = "View detailed dictionary";var tr_in = "Translating...";var isurl = "";var show_roman = "Show romanization";var hide_roman = < 1273192004 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, Google Translate says it's "software workshop". < 1273192007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :software workshop < 1273192011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right < 1273192020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1273192049 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate verksted < 1273192052 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :workshop < 1273192069 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says 'verk' means 'plant' and 'stedet' means 'instead'. < 1273192083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i thought `translate used google translate < 1273192086 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe it's a plant instead of being a workshop. < 1273192096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost nonsense < 1273192097 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate verk, sted < 1273192099 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plant, location < 1273192107 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate verk, stedet < 1273192109 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works, rather than < 1273192110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate i stedet < 1273192112 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead < 1273192122 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1273192131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't mean instead unless you prepend "i" < 1273192145 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does 'stedet' just mean 'stead', then? < 1273192152 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it does. < 1273192153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the place < 1273192183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verk has several meanings < 1273192198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work, plant, pain < 1273192217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate tannverk < 1273192221 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toothache < 1273192228 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate vannverk < 1273192232 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterworks < 1273192239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate livsverk < 1273192243 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life's work < 1273192276 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jatsu tsappari dikkari dallan tittari tillan titstan dulla, dipidapi dallaa ruppati rupiran kurikan kukka ja kirikan kuu. < 1273192288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish? < 1273192296 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish-style gibberish. < 1273192364 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice that that part doesn't contain "s" except as part of "ts". < 1273192396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know ts- in the beginning of words was allowed in finnish < 1273192406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it _is_ gibberish, you say < 1273192407 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's not. < 1273192440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. That looks a lot like Japanese-style jibberish. < 1273192452 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it does. < 1273192476 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"titstan" isn't possible in Japanese, but I think the rest is. < 1273192479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, *actual Finnish* looks a lot like Japanese-style jibberish. :P < 1273192483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they _do_ have a bit similar phonology, with lots of cv syllables... < 1273192502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: "l" is not a phoneme in Japanese. < 1273192507 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1273192543 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1273192737 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least this is an opportunity to load some old music onto my N1 < 1273192760 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{.iatsutsapa ri di ka ri da lantita ri ti lantitstandula di pi da pi da la ru pa ti ri pi rankuri kankuka .ia kiri kanku} < 1273192804 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, < 1273192807 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{.iatsutsapa ri di ka ri da lantita ri ti lantitstandula di pi da pi da la ru pa ti ri pi rankuri kankuka .ia ki ri kanku} < 1273192834 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders loading his oversized MIDI collection onto the N1` < 1273192835 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N1 < 1273192837 0 :Slereah!~nigger@ANantes-259-1-86-31.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1273192839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ia ia, shub niggurath < 1273193247 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1273193718 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1273195049 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1273195076 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1273195077 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-34-17-217.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273195139 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1273195757 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-34-17-217.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273196644 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Programming Contest problem I made: http://pastie.org/949412 < 1273196774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while cat $somefilename | read -n 1 somechar; do < 1273196803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels unintuitive to me that that should actually give a different character on each iteration < 1273196817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't actually check it < 1273196831 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1273196851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe cat $somefilename | while read -n 1 somechar; do < 1273196861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is possible < 1273196877 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be < 1273196903 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right < 1273196907 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me send a message < 1273196988 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent, hopefully anyone having trouble reads it < 1273197017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should still check it, i'm not an expert on shell programming < 1273197023 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did < 1273197034 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo@ubuntu:~$ echo "Hello" | while read -n 1 h; do echo -e $h; done < 1273197035 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H < 1273197035 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1273197035 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1273197035 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1273197035 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1273197047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the other way just did an infinite loop < 1273197055 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of nothingness < 1273197064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tyvm < 1273197070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1273201236 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1273201547 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1273201779 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1273202141 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273202836 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273205849 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273205874 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#"(.`,/ < 1273205922 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say < 1273205944 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't say < 1273205978 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can figure out its purpose and if you can make a shorter one that is still only symbol (without alnum)? < 1273206008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know the language. < 1273206107 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is something on Anarchy Golf! < 1273206293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really go there, i'm not so interested in golfing < 1273206310 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1273206377 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know my "Check for brainwave activity" problem? Well, I didn't win. I got it down to 12 bytes before post-mortem. < 1273206397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I remember it. Linky? < 1273206411 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?Check+for+brainwave+activity < 1273206427 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION screams in faux horror at the .rb < 1273206456 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1273206488 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretending that I'm horrified at Ruby < 1273206497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's just printing a string? < 1273206506 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how does /*/g*/e*|tac work exactly? < 1273206530 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It it dependent on the files on the computer. On other computers it might not work. < 1273206567 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/*/g*/e* expands to /usr/games/espdiff but there is a blank line at the top of output, so tac command will fix that < 1273206685 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I didn't know is that an input would also do..... but now I learned < 1273206701 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's espdiff? < 1273206775 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't actually know what it was either, at first. But I looked in the files and found that file on the Anarchy Golf server, so I figured it out. < 1273206798 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it is a program to do whatever the user wants, but actually it just delays and then tells you there is no brainwave activity detected. < 1273206816 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The deep scan mode just makes it delay longer. < 1273206828 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a shell script, you can look it up easily in Anarchy Golf server < 1273206884 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why someone wrote this program, but they did! < 1273207041 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1273207110 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a question about Linux: If you use dd to copy a DVD device file to a normal file, will the file be usable as a ISO file? < 1273207133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1273207151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you may want to use ddrescue instead. < 1273207171 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1273207177 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd just craps out on errors. ddrescue goes crazy and gets the data off the disc anyways. < 1273207202 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1273207391 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you record a CD/DVD, can you put the name of the device file instead of the ISO file, will that work? < 1273207756 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How difficult is it to program a window manager that you can push some key combinations to send signal to the currently program, such as wm-pagedown for SIGUSR1, wm-pageup for SIGUSR2, wm-end for SIGTERM, wm-pause for SIGSTOP, etc? < 1273207927 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wm-home would be for SIGHUP and wm-delete for SIGKILL. < 1273208172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... Hmm. I suppose you *could* use the device file instead of an ISO file on disc. < 1273208193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that window manager feature would be *pretty darned* hard to do. < 1273208206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, the window manager is not aware of PIDs. < 1273208287 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. So that's why other window managers won't do that, it is because of not aware of PIDs. But how does it sent SIGWINCH signal correctly? < 1273208303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGWINCH? < 1273208330 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGWINCH < 1273208332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that. The window manager doesn't. < 1273208351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The *terminal emulator* sends that signal. < 1273208368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the terminal emulator does that in response to a resizing *message* from X11. < 1273208389 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1273208401 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's how it works. < 1273208404 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves how Ruby has 10 million different ways to do almost, but not quite, the exact same thing, for each value of thing. < 1273208448 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so that's how Ruby works. < 1273208756 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to messages work in X, is it like a event loop? < 1273208783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. It might... Actually be called an "event". < 1273208797 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only vaguely know the structure of X. < 1273208800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There be deep magic in there. < 1273208962 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw something about _NET_WM_PID it says it is used for killing processes < 1273208982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1273209061 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it can use that to check the PID for the client owning this window < 1273209085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1273209229 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@97-118-202-110.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273209953 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1273210515 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273211406 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273211835 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: If your character is a ettercap and you fall down and break all of your eyes, how many glasses do you need? < 1273213489 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273213546 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1273217219 0 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-33-228.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1273217237 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1273217683 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1273217742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1273217810 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1273217932 0 :Slereah!~nigger@ANantes-259-1-86-31.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1273218683 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1273219199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1273219200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1273219329 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@tengototen.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273219407 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1273219907 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-198.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273222318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273222551 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1273225248 0 :adam_d!~Adam@cpc2-acto6-0-0-cust48.brnt.cable.ntl.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273228149 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273228648 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273229299 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1273229616 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273229671 0 :cheater3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1273231645 0 :Tritonio_GR!~Tritonio@ix.ceid.upatras.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1273232194 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~522ceedd@gateway/web/freenode/x-beixejybigizhcav JOIN :#esoteric < 1273233020 0 :P4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: has just left his bouncer < 1273233090 0 :CT|P4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1273233090 0 :CT|P4!p4@unaffiliated/p4 JOIN :#esoteric < 1273233090 0 :CT|P4!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :P4 < 1273234312 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1273237206 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1273239325 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1273239667 0 :cheater2!~cheater@ip-80-226-225-193.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1273240272 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some english language related questions and my native english speakers in MSN aren't logged in. < 1273240284 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess I will ask here... :-) < 1273240428 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "Bees have to survive. This translates to having complex social procedures" make any sense in english? Especially the "translates to" part, does it mean "means"? Or is it a bad translation from Greek? < 1273241079 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1273241108 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's okay but i'm not a native speaker < 1273241343 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? and you are not Greek right? because that might be the reason this sounds good to you... ;-) < 1273241379 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish < 1273241404 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok great. < 1273241408 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope it's correct then < 1273242315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks... Weird. < 1273242370 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ςηατ? < 1273242372 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooops < 1273242376 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what looks weird? < 1273242933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bees have to survive. This translates to having complex social procedures." < 1273242955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably write that as something like "In order to survive, bees have complex social procedures." < 1273243573 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i know. plus the sentence is completelly made up for the purpose of bringing up my point. anyway I found an american and asked him. i changed it to "involves" < 1273243655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, "translates to" is a perfectly valid English phrase, even used as "implies" or "means". < 1273243669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just looks weird in this context. < 1273243716 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok then i'll keep it in mind. :-) don't mind the context. < 1273243837 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1273243894 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you can still help. < 1273243900 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The answer to this problem passes through RSS feeds and personalized micro sites." < 1273243907 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"passes" < 1273243914 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap or not? < 1273243993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1273244050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, what does it mean? < 1273244068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks weird to _me_, but i'm a norwegian :) < 1273244070 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that RSS feeds are part of the solution < 1273244080 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, i don't think that's reasonable < 1273244092 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. neither do i < 1273244094 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1273244117 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is partially solved by RSS feeds etc... ??? < 1273244120 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try "involves" < 1273244135 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1273244172 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thanks. < 1273244222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is more direct, so probably better < 1273244368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes the mezzacotta comic is particularly gruesome today < 1273244410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION votes it fully baked, for the first time in months probably < 1273244566 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273244636 0 :Patashu!~Patashu@c122-106-156-182.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1273245313 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: MSN = Patashu@hotmail.com , AIM = Patashu0 , YIM = Patashu2 < 1273245535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273245888 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byeeee < 1273245895 0 :adam_d!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1273245934 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273246252 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1273246434 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1273247136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1273248615 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273248960 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273248970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1273249000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273249712 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1273250007 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273250457 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1273250470 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273250858 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1273251291 0 :ale__!~ale@ppp-166-94.21-151.libero.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1273251947 0 :ale__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Sto andando via < 1273252127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc5-sgyl29-2-0-cust220.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273252155 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1273252333 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273252357 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga! < 1273253849 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1273253930 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You took your bloody time! < 1273255441 0 :P4!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which esoteric langue is the fastest in md5 generation? (http://crazy-tronners.com/P4/very/bad/md5-test?reset) < 1273255693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1273255733 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273257801 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273258383 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273259139 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273259205 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273259275 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273259275 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273259505 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273259688 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1273259908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_Japanese.svg This is an awful keyboard layout. *Awful*. < 1273259974 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when you consider that Japanese only needs some 15 keys to be input. < 1273260062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kstnhmyrwaiueo" suffices. < 1273260115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait, that's missing diacritics. < 1273260139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 keys for those, another for small-kanji. 18 keys, short punctuation. < 1273260415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my frient has a laptop with such kbd < 1273260966 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are Chinese keyboards like? < 1273261153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Chinese script? < 1273261213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, and (small niche) Cryllic. < 1273261270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Keyboard_layout_Chinese_Traditional.png Anyways. This is a common layout in Taiwan. < 1273261284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the 4 different supported input methods. < 1273261327 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273261356 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273261364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga! < 1273261377 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273261385 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How rude. < 1273261412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: yes, keyboard layouts are not standardised in the Sinitic languages. < 1273261426 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1273261448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's like 20 different input methods. < 1273261460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, my client must have dropped out while you were talking. < 1273261477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them based on trying to input the structure of the characters, a few of them based on pronounciation. < 1273261507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pinyin and zhuyin for Mandarin, jyutping for Cantonese, pretty much structural only for *any* other Sinitic language) < 1273261566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sinitic? < 1273261566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... With the exception of Dungan, which is written with Cyrillic.) < 1273261598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The family of languages deriving from Old Chinese. < 1273261623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the common ancestor of Old Chinese and Bai, if one includes that language in the family as well. < 1273261670 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273261680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga! < 1273261748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of the Sinitic languages but Dungan and Bai are commonly written with a Chinese script. Bai can still be written with such a script, but Dungan cannot, do to the large number of Russian loan words in the language. < 1273261787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you buy the official line of the PROC, these are all dialects of the same language. < 1273261794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow. < 1273261805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linguistics sometimes seems interesting. < 1273262086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I hate having to *learn* languages. < 1273262132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language education is commonly terrible. < 1273262158 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dropped French and German, though I still do Latin. < 1273262188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primarily because it's taught differently, and the curriculum is less boring. < 1273262441 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1273262463 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised that that seems absurd. < 1273262463 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273262480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. Latin is a fascinating language. < 1273262483 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273262497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity it's not used much as an actual language. < 1273262514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Indeed. And I can now grasp Perligata, so it's relevant to esolangs! < 1273262516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rather than a source of neologisms or ancient-looking flair) < 1273262575 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The neologisms are fun, too. < 1273262601 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still say "praeterition" and get a warm, fuzzy feeling when people ask me what it means. < 1273262634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quick, make harder neologisms! < 1273262663 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs to fetch textbook < 1273262666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hayaku, tsukau harder shingoisms! < 1273262708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, English's acceptance of neologisms. < 1273262741 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scription? Too obvious... < 1273262742 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273262753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quietion. < 1273262772 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It both sounds wrong and is a false friend! < 1273262778 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profection. < 1273262784 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273262790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1273262813 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that one. I must remember to use it < 1273262838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Which party will best aid the profection of our nation?" < 1273262863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pervention. < 1273262891 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nescition! < 1273263018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, all of the "I"s are already words. < 1273263051 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conspection! < 1273263070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concursion! < 1273263088 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already a word... < 1273263362 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop's dead. < 1273263376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays Funeral March < 1273263391 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION burys Sgeo's laptop < 1273263414 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it either needs a new < 1273263448 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power cord, or um... the hole for the power cord needs to be fixed somehow. < 1273263490 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit late now. < 1273263494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just buried it. < 1273263989 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273264003 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does he do that? < 1273264023 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273264054 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273264256 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way to charge my computer via my phone, is there? < 1273264269 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously doubt it. < 1273264306 0 :whtspc!~whtspc@g228073.upc-g.chello.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273264319 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your phone's battery will have much less capacity than your laptop's < 1273264490 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have my phone hooked up to the charger < 1273264537 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely the voltages would be different? < 1273264566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can charge phones from laptops because USB ports are *designed* to give power to small devices. < 1273264591 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup kids < 1273264617 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo's laptop is broken, and he's running through all sorts of zany schemes to fix it. < 1273264670 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nutty < 1273264690 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: my word you have quite the irish name dont you < 1273264697 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1273264705 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"domhnall" < 1273264711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know that? < 1273264717 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /whois Phantom_Hoover < 1273264733 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck. < 1273264738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say no more. < 1273264741 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1273264745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamned client. < 1273264749 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1273264780 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1273264831 0 :whtspc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1273264906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~m4ltest@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273264913 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /whois Phantom_Hoover < 1273264925 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4|test! < 1273264928 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you! < 1273264933 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cheeky bastard < 1273264937 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1273264940 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1273264968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's m4ltest, which I used to test a theme ages ago and is now my other account on my computer. < 1273264984 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fsck, this is publically logged. < 1273265017 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you say < 1273265039 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame oerjan! < 1273265063 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1273265154 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1273265154 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273265201 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273265673 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~chatzilla@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273265679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn irssi. < 1273265762 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Let us never speak of this again. < 1273265974 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, does anyone know of a Brainfuck interpreter in an HDL? < 1273266060 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1273266688 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1273267908 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1273268303 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.112.36.213.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273268306 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1273268363 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A just received an Altera MAX dev board. Any ideas for a cool project? < 1273268389 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a programmable logic device, 240 elements and 8 kilobits of memory. < 1273268507 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.clifford.at/bfcpu/bfcpu.html < 1273269192 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273269199 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273269525 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273269532 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273269677 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273269783 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's official. Yesterday, there was unusual trading activity. < 1273269833 0 :nooga!~nooga@c154-29.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1273270080 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Hardware for a non-imperative esolang? < 1273270104 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like underload processor < 1273270108 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with imperative? :-) < 1273270122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what everyone else uses. < 1273270124 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imperative is boring < 1273270141 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload would be cool. I wonder if it's possible with only 240 elements < 1273270150 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering about OISC. < 1273270186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OISC is fun, but it's not very esoteric to implement it in hardware. < 1273270236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazy K might be neat. < 1273270922 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273271501 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to start with something easy though < 1273271550 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazy K's about the smallest functional language there is. < 1273271604 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking it up < 1273271867 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hueh < 1273272098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're not up to doing Lazy K, perhaps a hardware MARS? < 1273272113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Lazy K is too not-minimal. < 1273272127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, it has more than S and K. < 1273272163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write it in Iota or Jot notation. < 1273272545 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1273272610 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1273272642 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1273272918 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1273273491 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1273273582 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1273273587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assassinates his computer < 1273273604 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're still here < 1273273617 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you playing Citadels or something? < 1273273623 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION delivers Sgeo's power cable < 1273273631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Citadels? < 1273273726 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1273273727 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1273273738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan. < 1273273742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover. < 1273273784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION detects no alise < 1273273801 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is gone. < 1273273802 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Fri.. oh wait, alise has been here on Fridayness < 1273273818 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You won't be seeing them for a long lime. < 1273273823 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1273273835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine a lime. < 1273273845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make it longer. < 1273273854 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then see alise at the end of it. < 1273273873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: don't joke about this, there are serious reasons why alise _could_ disappear. < 1273273881 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Sorry. < 1273273889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plead ignorance. < 1273273891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why i am worried when e is not here. < 1273273898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on weekends) < 1273273917 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, long-term non-weekendness is still a possibility? < 1273273920 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(:(:( < 1273273921 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very < 1273273946 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if e's sectioned, things are bad for everyone < 1273273967 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, I kind of figured that that was off the table < 1273273973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh we could hope he's just taking his advice to rest on fridays < 1273274022 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why would it be? < 1273274057 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, because my mind just decided that hey, it's been a while since I thought about it, I'll just forget about it! < 1273274134 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assassinates Sgeo's mind < 1273274178 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why everyone else always knows more about this than me. < 1273274238 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: some of it was only told in private channel < 1273274254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it hasn't exactly been kept entirely out of #esoteric. < 1273274254 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1273274312 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :short summary: alise faces the very real possibility of being put in a mental institution < 1273274324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Alise-alert | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1273274326 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, he kind of is there, but only during the week < 1273274344 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but he's not formally institutionalized yet < 1273274345 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he was like 14? < 1273274348 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or so we hope) < 1273274350 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1273274360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: He 'goes there voluntarily'. And it's a 'school'. < 1273274394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, he only 'goes voluntarily' because they're threatening to make it non-voluntary otherwise. < 1273274398 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1273274402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1273274567 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100315083431] < 1273274570 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that this has happened before. < 1273274579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1273274592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was gone for several weeks during the winter < 1273274618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were worried then, too. < 1273274666 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however there isn't any real reason to be worried _yet_ right now < 1273274688 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do we worry? < 1273274713 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow, a bit < 1273274724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow, we get nervous. Sunday, we become worried. Monday, we start updating the Alise-missing-count. < 1273274734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next weekend, a lot more < 1273274736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next Friday, we get Agora to declare war. < 1273274742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :D < 1273274763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora? < 1273274787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a nomic that several people here play in. also the world's oldest. < 1273274793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the Nomic of Agora. < 1273274796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(started in 1993) < 1273274823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I've *always* wanted to play a nomic! < 1273274847 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION used to play, but doesn't any longer < 1273275081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, if you buy the official line of the PROC, these are all dialects of the same language. < 1273275122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be like if a nationalistic EU decided to declare english and german a dialect of the same language < 1273275149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps even english and italian < 1273275180 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're talking about Chinese? < 1273275183 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1273275195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROC = people's republic of china < 1273275226 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, "PRC" seems more familiar < 1273275241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1273275250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah. < 1273275257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taiwan is always ROC though, i think < 1273275264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nah, "English and German". < 1273275280 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1273275310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Sinitic languages are more akin to the Germanic languages in the level of relation than the Indoeuropean ones. < 1273275314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1273275322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't sure about that < 1273275337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is sort of Germanic, isn't it? < 1273275347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *Very* Germanic. < 1273275383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 1500 years ago or so they were the same language < 1273275397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Bit more than that. < 1273275398 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709] < 1273275422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think 1500 years ago is about when mutual intelligibilty completely stopped. < 1273275425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wasn't that about when the anglo-saxon invasion was? < 1273275469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The various Germanic languages had already split off into a handful of related languages before they were actually *written*. < 1273275485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i though both english and german descended from saxon < 1273275499 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm really vague on this though < 1273275536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proto-Germanic split into East, West, and North Germanic. < 1273275550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but both english and german are west < 1273275555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afair < 1273275563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :West Germanic itself split into South Germanic and Anglo-Frisian branches. < 1273275586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1273275593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thought < 1273275622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may just be confused because Sachsen is a part of modern germany < 1273275647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even back in Old English, English was freaking crazy about its foreign word acquisition. < 1273275657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1273275703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of things like this, English has several cognates *with itself*. < 1273275760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, "shirt" and "skirt" are both cognate. < 1273275772 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shirt" native to English, "skirt" borrowed from Old Norse. < 1273275779 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew about that one < 1273275796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skjorte and skjørt in norwegian :) < 1273275811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Right", "rich", "raj", "regalia", "reign", "royal", and "real" are also all cognate. < 1273275832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Germanic, Celtic, Sanskrit, Latin, French, French, Portuguese origin, respectively) < 1273275920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls something about ei turning to oi in french, so those two may be from different periods? < 1273275948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English has done that sort of thing a lot. < 1273275962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"chef" and "chief" are both from the same word in French. < 1273275976 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and french itself has done it with latin iirc < 1273276014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also "warranty" and "guarantee". < 1273276015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English *loves* cognates. < 1273276178 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In D&D game I want to have a "Merciful to Gibbering Mouthers" feat! I also want to have a metamagic feat that makes it the components are wasted as normal as if the spell has an effect but the normal effect of the spell is suppressed! < 1273276294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That sounds like the most bizarre metamagic feat ever. < 1273276307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, make it so you can fake-out casting a spell? < 1273276327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I blame oerjan! <-- *MWAHAHAHA* < 1273276360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Holy fuck he just cast wish. Holy fuck he just cast wish. Oh god what do I do what do I do what do I do" < 1273276360 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I suppose that's one use. < 1273276366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1273276369 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like that. < 1273276378 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps other uses can be found, too? < 1273276387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it lower the spell level? < 1273276401 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't invent such a feat yet, but I suppose it could. < 1273276404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i recall zzo38 plays _weird_ D&D. almost no fighting and a lot of trickery, i take. < 1273276425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so such deception would probably fit right in < 1273276425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I play *creative* D&D. < 1273276434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do fights, but in very hilarious ways. < 1273276445 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, you are right about that. My brother likes to fight more than I am, though. I prefer to not fight if I can avoid it. < 1273276454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octopus on the face. :D < 1273276537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also proud of having bowled a giant turtle into an army. < 1273276567 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No love for Paranoia? < 1273276573 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1273276620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The computer would like to remind you that paranoia is a treasonable offense, and encourages your clone to be more paranoid about paranoia in the future. < 1273276626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bang* < 1273276679 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: null < 1273276761 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once we did that my brother's character were attack everyone at the same time my character was heal the same guys that were being attacked in this way, and although this combination seem strange, actually this combination worked perfectly in the end. (I also broke the opponent's weapons while they were unconscious)