< 1275696456 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TODO's have some stuff which is implemented wrong. Like some opcodes right now have strings instead of a list of numbers, so the program can't do anything with them. < 1275696484 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the macro opcodes < 1275696967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tesla didn't need a computer" < 1275696972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He just told the data what to do and it damn well did it" < 1275696975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he also fought corporate crime and satanism with mark twain in a giant robot" < 1275697061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: So Chuck Norris was their secret lovechild? < 1275697195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that last thing is actually a comic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Fists_of_Science < 1275697198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SORRY GRAPHICAL NOVEL.) < 1275697435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's legal to use a police scanner, right? < 1275697443 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or an app that ultimately gets audio from one? < 1275697462 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1275697502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wat? < 1275697517 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.scannerradio < 1275697632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Who knows; cares. < 1275698351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! Slereah visited us! < 1275698362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:49:51 and how does FTL imply time travel? < 1275698365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise he was that retarded < 1275698636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, to get FTL you'd need to change enough of known physics that it might not imply time travel after all < 1275698694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:54:51 Although "Turing-complete" here means something rather different to everywhere else. < 1275698695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not. < 1275698704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HII < 1275698706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You hid from me again < 1275698735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a nice formal definition of turing-completeness on the wiki so we can just point people at it to shut them up < 1275698744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just "can emulate a turing machine", an actual formal definition < 1275698792 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A finite state machine can easy emulate _a_ turing machine < 1275698947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff < 1275698948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1275698951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why we need it < 1275698952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you write it < 1275698980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't think even mathematicians have a nice formal definition that works in every corner-case < 1275698999 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there wouldn't have been that row about the 2,3 thing < 1275699038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "There exists a function UTM_P: UTM -> P such that interp_P(UTM_P(x)) = UTM(x) for all x" < 1275699044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this leaves the infinite program thing vague, which is probably for the best. < 1275699278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but I feel that directly appealing to UTMs is unwise. < 1275699363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, maybe < 1275699376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have problems with halting and IO, too < 1275699494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treating IO formally is easy enough, you just need a potentially-infinite input stream < 1275699494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1275699507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't need to have it as part of the UTM definition < 1275699517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how halting is an issue < 1275699986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia: A proof that a self-organising, democratic system can arise with very little to no outside control, decentralised, on the internet... and it'll be even more bureaucratic and self-congratulating than in real life. < 1275699988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A success, and a failure. < 1275700048 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia doesn't face challenges that a real-world polical system might face < 1275700091 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some people on Wikipedia are physically more powerful than others < 1275700097 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikiphysically < 1275700107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like in real life. < 1275700284 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1275700289 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is Wikipedia democratic? < 1275700329 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: brb, upgrading < 1275700353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: Votes^WArticles for Deletion < 1275700368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although admittedly sometimes the sysops just decide to take their own preferred course of action instead. < 1275700378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a discussion! Your thoughts do not really count. < 1275701156 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, lambdamoo? < 1275701196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: \mu < 1275701200 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1275701206 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heh < 1275701435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thank God we have @reapers to make sure that anyone not active enough get < 1275701435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fragged. But overpopulation and massive programming projects are sucking this < 1275701435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOO under!" < 1275701440 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I didn't realise he was that retarded <-- I think you confuse "retarded" with "don't know a lot of physics" < 1275701456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even /I/ know that and I'm incredibly physicstarded :P < 1275701492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, I readily agree to being more of a physicstarded than you. But I'm not a retard in general. That was my point. < 1275701558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every animal is retarded < 1275701562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, heck I doubt either of my parents would know this either. Both are social science more or less < 1275701564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some animals are more retarded than others < 1275701575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are in* < 1275701624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I heard economists and CEOs were some of the most retarded ones in general < 1275701639 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a few exceptions for the CEOs < 1275701649 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-1088893966.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1275701651 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange animals < 1275701652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Economists aren't as bad as their reputation. < 1275701659 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh? < 1275701659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CEOs sure. < 1275701666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual economists are mostly sane. < 1275701678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what about the current financial crisis? < 1275701681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking the kind that actually work on the science/theory of economics. < 1275701687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275701689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who everyone then ignores. < 1275701693 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :) < 1275701758 0 :augur!~augur@96.231.218.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275701871 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway, Jobs doesn't seem like a stupid CEO. Wait. Ipad < 1275701874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget what I said < 1275701928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Jobs is a clever man -- and probably quite nice -- he just has different values to most other people. < 1275701937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He doesn't care much about openness in technology, for instance. < 1275701944 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1275701956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The folklore.org stories paint him as a bit of an asshole, but really, we all knew that already. < 1275701964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nice asshole. Go fig. < 1275702040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1275702084 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1275702678 0 :jabb!~475e1fa6@gateway/web/freenode/x-mpxzmcshjkpxzsoi JOIN :#esoteric < 1275702939 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wrt apple (took a bit to find it, knew I had seen it somewhere): http://media.fukung.net/images/24383/e6fb96d7a9dcc822029dd97dd79382d7.jpg (sfw) < 1275703029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd take an iPad if it was cheap :P < 1275703136 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah so the last paragraph doesn't apply to you then ;P < 1275703157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought an iPhone in 2007 and it was like £400 < 1275703166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it didn't have any apps then even, so yeah, that was pretty dumb < 1275703168 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what is that in SEK? < 1275703170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I jailbroke it on the first day though < 1275703177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows, with the exchange rates now < 1275703182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4635kr apparently < 1275703185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the exact price < 1275703192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc those changed quite a lot since then < 1275703192 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275703204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was expensive, anyway; you could get a decent laptop for its price. < 1275703215 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a thinkpad? < 1275703217 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1275703235 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thinkpad almost one year ago was around 9000 SEK iirc < 1275703250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 10000, don't remember any more < 1275703259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my Toshiba Satellite for just under £500. < 1275703270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a capable, if low-specced laptop. I could have got much higher specs, but I preferred the long battery life. < 1275703279 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, cheap < 1275703291 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and not a thinkpad < 1275703297 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even more "not a mac" < 1275703312 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway I bet it doesn't have a magnesium roll-cage ;P < 1275703319 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc my thinkpad does!) < 1275703490 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night alise, ais523 < 1275703502 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wait, you are up very late aren't you? < 1275703502 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1275703510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: same reasoning < 1275703512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: yes < 1275703514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: very late? < 1275703516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2am is not so late. < 1275703519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm up! < 1275703536 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, true, 03:00 (use 24h dammit!) is later < 1275703543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1275703549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH THREE HUNDRED HOURS < 1275703568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that one doesn't even make sense < 1275703579 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not 300 hours, nor 300 minutes < 1275703627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called military time and you were just supporting it. < 1275703969 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275703976 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have IRC server in my computer < 1275704058 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see if it work! < 1275704109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoo-ray < 1275704137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 6667 of portage ?! < 1275704145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Connecting to zzo38computer.cjb.net (24.207.48.53) port 6667... < 1275704147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow, or failed. < 1275704253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: timeout < 1275704302 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I turned it off for a few seconds to edit the configuration. Try zzo38computer.cjb.net:194 < 1275704322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, using the actual IRC port? You are crazy < 1275704324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/./ < 1275704351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Connect, then. < 1275704380 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on < 1275704424 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1275704428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* zzo38 (~zzo38@24.207.48.53) has joined +ADMIN < 1275704428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello! < 1275704428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sorry, I have to leave now < 1275704428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* zzo38 has quit (zzo38) < 1275704428 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, 194 is the official irc port? < 1275704440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: one of three of the iana-assigned ones < 1275704860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275705227 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the reply to my message scrolled past the scrollback and now I must consult the logs! < 1275705296 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, and phantom_hoover has left so I have no one to reply to the reply to < 1275705534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1275706021 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275706093 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275706255 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275706343 0 :augur!~augur@pool-108-56-52-43.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275706723 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275706769 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am back on now, and I will tell you a hint: If you are unable to read the log file, you can use the FLUSH command to flush the file so that it can be read. < 1275706783 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Enter the channel name as the parameter to FLUSH command) < 1275706858 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know there is no standard format for IRC log, I created SIRCL format for IRC log. I propose SIRCL has a standard for IRC log format. What is your opinion? < 1275707020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard IRC log format is the raw IRC messages. < 1275707047 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides he'd trust alise with his life, unless anger and/or yelling could threaten his life
< 1275707049 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275707051 0 :_lament!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :lament < 1275707081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failing that, some obvious /(\d\d):(\d\d)(:(\d\d))?\s+<([^>]+)>\s(.*)/ produces (h,m,(s?),name,msg) < 1275707085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Good to... know... < 1275707095 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not literally my life < 1275707104 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe computer-related decisions < 1275707113 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was trying to be funny partially < 1275707117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:17:22 i _think_ minimal overlap may be a hexagonal pattern, isn't that the equivalent to kepler's theorem in two dimensions < 1275707121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :honeycomb conjecture iirc < 1275707126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proven as part of kepler's conjecture's proof < 1275707141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The honeycomb conjecture states that a regular hexagonal grid or honeycomb represents the best way to divide a surface into regions of equal area with the least total perimeter. Mathematician Thomas C. Hales proved the conjecture in 1999 with revisions in 2001. < 1275707166 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/irc_log/ADMIN/1275700304 you can see the SIRCL format in real action! (I know this channel does not use it) < 1275707170 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kepler's conjecture? < 1275707179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Kepler conjecture, named after Johannes Kepler, is a mathematical conjecture about sphere packing in three-dimensional Euclidean space. It says that no arrangement of equally sized spheres filling space has a greater average density than that of the cubic close packing (face-centered cubic) and hexagonal close packing arrangements. The density of these arrangements is slightly greater than 74%. < 1275707181 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIRCL? < 1275707182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_conjecture < 1275707203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proved by Thomas Hales using exhaustive computer calculations ikn part < 1275707212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in < 1275707215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so some people consider it "not completely rigorous" but they're full of baloney) < 1275707221 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I called it SIRCL format, short for "Simple IRC Log" < 1275707221 0 :ws!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ... < 1275707263 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was proven? < 1275707267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275707268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_conjecture#Hales.27_proof < 1275707288 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to not be up to date in mathematical knowledge < 1275707298 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Flatterland said it was yet to be proven < 1275707298 0 :augur!~augur@pool-108-56-52-43.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275707303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how his proof was 250 pages of notes and 3 gigabytes of programs, data and results. < 1275707305 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIRCL format does not have to be used for only one channel, although it is common to log each channel separately anyways < 1275707307 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a 2001 book < 1275707309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck the system :P < 1275707332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: well in 1998 he announced it complete, in 2003 the ann. math. panel announced it was 99% certain of the result < 1275707341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Hales (2005) in ann. math. was a 100-page summary < 1275707349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was quite new and not widely accepted in 2001 < 1275707358 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1275707391 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:How_to_Escape_from_a_Black_Hole.svg < 1275707503 0 :augur_!~augur@pool-74-96-6-252.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275707504 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pyramid_of_35_spheres_animation.gif I have again fallin in love with ray-traced images < 1275707515 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pyramid_of_35_spheres_animation_original.gif < 1275707555 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275707656 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Created_with_Persistence_of_Vision HAWT < 1275707780 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise! < 1275707809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? < 1275707941 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1275707943 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Blender generally well-regarded? < 1275707961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well-regarded as in "I HOPE YOU ENJOY HORRIBLE INTERFACES HAHAHAHAHAHA" < 1275707965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from that, yes < 1275707967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:51:23 hmm, obviously he'll have ignored me based on that inference and won't hear this < 1275707967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:51:26 even though it's wrong < 1275707968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1275708039 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what other free 3d authoring tools are available? < 1275708045 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides POV-Ray, ofc < 1275708066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none < 1275708102 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Wings3D free? < 1275708104 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot < 1275708247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275708249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing < 1275708254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that erlang thing < 1275708262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wings 3D can be used to model and texture low to mid-range polygon models. Wings does not support animations and has only basic OpenGL rendering facilities, although it can export to external rendering software such as POV-Ray and YafRay. Still, Wings is often used in combination with other software, whereby models made in Wings are exported to applications more specialized in rendering and animation such as Blender. < 1275708294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:23:06 Phantom_Hoover: They're not *scary*, they're just more complex than your ordinary integral. <-- s/more/even more/ < 1275708296 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So models don't look polished in Wings3D. How is that inherently a bad thing? < 1275708297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :integrals are not complex. < 1275708304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: did I say that? < 1275708310 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although no animation support is not a good thing < 1275708405 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1275708440 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you would like to see any additional logged/predefined channels in my IRC, you can propose them in the +ADMIN channel. < 1275708630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:10:03 * oerjan kept nagging about NB. PLEASE intercal DO NOT being simpler < 1275708632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually i listened < 1275708674 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about INTERCAL exactly? < 1275708683 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want simpler? < 1275708693 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean something else, too < 1275708721 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is CLC-INTERCAL you can modify the syntax however you want (even at runtime) < 1275708801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:35:09 Seems kind of interesting to me that the same wiki having languages like LOLCODE also has such intellectual articles on Turing-completeness :) < 1275708801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:36:12 "Can haz stdio"? Classic. :) < 1275708801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:36:41 maedhros777: you may note that boolfuck shows you don't even need more than two values 0 and 1 for TC, which means increment and decrement are the same operation < 1275708801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:37:04 also some people here like to hate LOLCODE. just saying. ;D < 1275708802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:37:23 oerjan: It's the greatest language ever :) < 1275708804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:37:29 Besides BF, of course. < 1275708806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:37:46 I should make a real-time multiplayer FPS in BF. =D < 1275708808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are my mortal enemy now maedhros777 < 1275708819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, I wrote a way to do an INTERCAL/J polyglot. < 1275708845 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, does everyone remember the description of THQ9+ < 1275708847 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK maybe you should post them at wiki, or something like that < 1275708848 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1275708857 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where T implemented "turing-completess" < 1275708864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no point < 1275708868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: oerjan's < 1275708869 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably cpressey came up with it < 1275708871 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275708873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1275708879 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find it anywhere < 1275708881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X Makes the programming language Turing-complete. How this is supposed to be achieved is not clearly specified. (The Perl implementation generates a random number, adds it to each character in the program, and interprets the resulting program code as Perl code.) < 1275708883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/CHIQRSX9_Plus < 1275708894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not oerjan's finest moment in language design < 1275708901 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1275708913 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i remembered one that just added a single instruction < 1275708915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as CHIQRSX9+ is actually an infinite family of languages < 1275708922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of which are turing complete, but < 1275708933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the implementation selects from a finite (and thus very limited) subset of these at runtime < 1275708936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interprets the program in it < 1275708940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is clearly lunacy < 1275708957 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Perl implementation generates a random number, adds it to each character in the program, and interprets the resulting program code as Perl code." LOL < 1275709048 0 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-6-252.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275709064 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275709088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:14:10 Phantom_Hoover, a bit hard here too, I have no children. It would be rather strange if I did, I'm 20 after all... < 1275709092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah because there are no teen fathers < 1275709179 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i found it < 1275709203 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently oerjan's suggestion was CHIQRS9+ < 1275709217 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the author of HQ9+ suggested to add X < 1275709499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:59:41 oh a lunatic < 1275709504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How DARE you call Emperor Norton that. < 1275709518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Please execute AnMaster for treason. < 1275709579 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Multi_Color_Go.JPG < 1275709604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: it's a sheep getting raped by a flower? < 1275709642 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275709657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:02:33 oklopol, didn't* ehird use windows95 for a bit? < 1275709658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:02:39 I mean, like during last year < 1275709658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275709680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:04:46 AnMaster: oh whatever you're just trolling < 1275709680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reaaaaaaaally, it took you that many pages of pointless anmaster-vim-trolling to figure that out? < 1275709743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, he even continued after the topic changes < 1275709754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster really is a bone-headed die-hard zealot :))) < 1275709799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:30:51 oerjan, ah, don't remember you doing much with fungoids? < 1275709799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:31:01 he's done more than you < 1275709799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh snap :P < 1275709943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:50:29 then again who the fuck gives a shit about water so i guess it's okay that the random number 100 is associated with it < 1275709944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:50:34 or wait < 1275709944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:50:39 actually i love water < 1275709944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's breaking down < 1275710059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:16:33 what's less crap (for IM, not irc) < 1275710059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:16:42 pidgin or telepathy? < 1275710060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pidgin def. < 1275710073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :empathy is like prealpha software < 1275710424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:12:48 oklopol: hard to say. i have a theory that alise is the next zzo38. < 1275710424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm listening < 1275710825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34:11 pikhq: from csh type ' exit', is a simple protocol which provides an interface to c. [...] < 1275710826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275710826 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: nobody is allowed to fnord me in soviet russia < 1275710833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: nobody is allowed to fnord me in soviet russia < 1275710834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275710834 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: could you please check whether the installation files for your browser? :d < 1275710884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:37:38 Deewiant: ever yours, c. darwin. 17 spring gardens, london, fnord, morphology, adaptive characters, 426. [...] < 1275710885 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: " e" is already taken), too < 1275710886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that address < 1275710925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:40:11 AnMaster: intercal-72 c-intercal clc-intercal j-intercal yes all versions all versions < 1275710925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:40:22 ais523, hey, was that all versions ^ < 1275710925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:40:30 yes all versions all versions < 1275710928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is especially brilliant lately < 1275710963 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:41:43 AnMaster: to any airbus plane. 3 passengers sadly died the most awesome thing ever. < 1275710964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1275711063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:49:34 AnMaster: un- unless he starts to en- to enjoy watching the tae bo that i had < 1275711063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:49:45 fungot: Tae bo? < 1275711063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:49:45 Deewiant: no she no they're not having ah they're not you got to look at why they try to get together there you know < 1275711063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:50:01 Awfully schizophrenic :-P < 1275711073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA < 1275711075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:52:26 AnMaster: you might as well be in the court i'm a law student so i am loving my bread machine < 1275711080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a law student so I am loving my bread machine < 1275711141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:18:09 what's the mathematica to express a function in terms of a single variable? < 1275711143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#+3& < 1275711150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or f[x_]:=x+3 < 1275712023 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275712063 0 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-6-252.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275712107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 28 am doo doo < 1275712656 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275712678 0 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-6-252.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275713020 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275713431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1275713471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275713472 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observation: A transparent casing for a melodica provides all the incentive necessary to properly use the spit valve. < 1275715876 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1275715876 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1275715885 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1275716233 0 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-6-252.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275717105 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275717579 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1275717623 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1275717650 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work for you? < 1275717707 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also like to know which IRC servers and/or IRC clients you like? < 1275717781 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look at the bug report list for ngIRCd some are in German, however. < 1275717786 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some are English < 1275718041 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275718417 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a feature request for channel logging. Well, I have implemented channel logging in ngIRCd. (I simply added a code to the "IRC_WriteStrChannelPrefix" function, and it was not difficult to do) < 1275718432 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngIRCd is very good! < 1275718470 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275718497 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: http://codu.org/tmp/BalMusetteNocturne-wipp1.ogg Me playing two instruments at once < 1275718525 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listening < 1275718556 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With apologies for the poor audio quality) < 1275718562 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recording was sucksy < 1275718603 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine playing was tricky < 1275718613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit! :P < 1275718630 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which two instruments? (I suppose some might be harder than others) < 1275718650 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ maryland is a police state < 1275718650 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 cops had people pulled over in the same one mile stretch of road, with a 7th cop in the shadows waiting to pounce < 1275718653 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hear the music, and it does seem to work OK < 1275718654 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'aww, do I have to tell you, you should guess :P < 1275718670 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is difficult for me to figure out the instruments < 1275718677 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It always is < 1275718692 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a hint: The instrument that sounds like a piano is a piano. < 1275718700 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, can you play *three* instruments at once? < 1275718708 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a useless hint: The instrument that sounds like it could be a harmonica or an accordion is neither. < 1275718725 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's the hard part < 1275718730 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I suppose my left foot is free .. < 1275718735 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ... an ARMONICA? < 1275718761 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No it is not :P < 1275718763 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you play the other instrument by feet? < 1275718765 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a melodica. < 1275718771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Naw, one hand each. < 1275718787 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds *horrible* < 1275718790 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you play piano you cannot touch all of the notes at once < 1275718797 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't have three hands < 1275718805 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he can < 1275718818 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You can't touch every note on the piano at once unless you have twenty hands or so :P < 1275718828 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: You probably don't appreciate accordions either. Heathen. < 1275718838 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: this is the worst thing i have ever heard < 1275718841 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, my ears < 1275718860 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is working OK < 1275718880 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although perhaps it could be played much better if it were played properly < 1275718901 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither instrument is being played "improperly", but I am a noob at the melodica. < 1275718907 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i even appreciate melodicas < 1275718922 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they usually don't sound like farting < 1275718927 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not really meant for chords < 1275718935 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. They're meant PRECISELY for chords. < 1275718950 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Decent ones anyway) < 1275718958 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they aren't < 1275718978 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point of a melodica is the expressivity < 1275718991 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're for playing a melody line, hence the name < 1275719009 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a chord, you want some control over the relative volumes of the different notes < 1275719020 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: You are so ridiculous :P < 1275719024 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do that so all the expressivity is lost < 1275719027 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time do it in Bohlen-Pierce (you will need special instruments), some people will think it is more worse, but to some people it is more better < 1275719131 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a chord, if you are using MIDI or whatever, you can even make it to use a different instruments for Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Bass, and you can do the same if you have a orchestra to do it for you, or a group of singers to sing it < 1275719295 0 :scott4!~scott@c-67-166-88-253.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275719486 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard of a expensive piano that can be both acoustic piano and electric piano at once, so it can be used with no power, the strings can resonate from the other strings, and use all electronic functions when it is switched on < 1275719518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they make those. Basically it can retract the strings and detect the hammers directly like a hammer-action digital piano. < 1275719545 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy-expensive, and not actually that great of an idea since it can't possibly sound the same in acoustic and digital mode. < 1275719551 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like that, that is what I have heard of. It is expensive < 1275719603 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And really, digital pianos have gotten pretty damn realistic recently. The top-of-the-line models simulate a piano rather than using soundbanks, so they're extremely close to an acoustic. < 1275719674 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes I know it can't sound the same in both ways, that is a purpose of it, you can have both modes for different kinds of musics! But perhaps they can add a third mode, which is hybrid mode, where the strings are controlled digitally, and if a string is hit by a key, it will detect and record that event. < 1275719715 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hybrid mode would probably be even more expensive a lot more < 1275719755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure whether they have that. < 1275719807 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that just on a normal acoustic piano, it can make a bit different sound when touching the strings by hand, is there any kind of music that requires one person to play the keys and the other person plays the strings directly? < 1275719833 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you place additional object on top of the strings it can vibrate that object as well < 1275719865 0 :scott4!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275719903 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you write "wood" in Italian? If the part of the music is you have to knock the wood on the piano, do you have to write "wood" in Italian? < 1275719935 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't "have" to do anything. < 1275719957 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't want to write "knock on wood" in English though, could be misconstrued :P < 1275720003 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, legno means wood, and it's used to indicate you should strike the string with the wood of the bow on bowed instruments. < 1275720054 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean though, if it is written on a piano music? It can mean that for bowed instruments, but if it is piano, surely you cannot do that < 1275720097 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any meaning for piano music. < 1275720103 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask my composer friend next time he's online. < 1275720183 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write Bohlen-Pierce musics? < 1275720241 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what sense? < 1275720267 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I capable of making software such that I could cause notes to be played in a Bohlen-Pierce scale? Yes. < 1275720281 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I capable of writing music in it that doesn't suck? Maybe, maybe not. < 1275720297 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you ever try? And then you can figure out < 1275720323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not. < 1275720361 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you written music using *any* scale other than 12-TET? < 1275720390 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275720418 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275720429 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275720439 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wonkette.com/415809/arizona-school-demands-black-latino-students-faces-on-mural-be-changed-to-white < 1275720488 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the purpose of changing that? Just leave it until you happen to make a new mural with white faces? < 1275720677 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but the NIGGERs and SPICKs! < 1275720686 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275720693 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275720752 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written program to play Bohlen-Pierce scale as well, in QBASIC, and in MegaZeux. (The only version of MegaZeux which supports it is P9, which I am the only person that uses it, I am sure because I wrote it and haven't released it yet!) (Version P9 supports playing any frequencies of notes, other versions can use only standard notes) < 1275720878 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, Mrs Robinson makes me feel wonderful ::hugs everyone:: :D < 1275720889 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still, standard notes are the only ones which can be entered directly; to play Bohlen-Pierce you need to program in the frequencies yourself) < 1275720926 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275721665 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sightly esoteric way to represent normal note frequencies: f = 440 * 2 < 1275721674 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sightly esoteric way to represent normal note frequencies: f = 440 * 2^(x/12). < 1275722605 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1275723445 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful. It has just occurred to me that I am probably one of the 10, maybe 5 people in the world most familiar with a new C++ feature. < 1275723523 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what happened to everyone's favorite Internet girl*? < 1275723556 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Internet girl is an established gender, generally recognized as sharing relatively few elements with female < 1275724277 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help :( < 1275724404 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help? < 1275724410 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275724420 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275724432 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate Flash-reliant websites < 1275724441 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could se his impending interwebs disconnection. < 1275724461 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*see < 1275724477 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, ran onto website that had electric version of some magazine. Used Flash, not PDFs. < 1275724487 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate those < 1275724490 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die scribd die < 1275724598 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, One shop had its catalogs only "available" as Flash on Web (why the hell they couldn't put PDFs)? < 1275724661 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, standard HTML would be even better... < 1275724700 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no javashit of course... < 1275724739 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XHTML > HTML < 1275724799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1275724800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1275725143 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for me to go to sleep < 1275725991 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T-shirt with text "5 > 2". Anyone gets the reference? :-) < 1275726288 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-1-88.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275726430 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately not < 1275726538 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hint: XHTML... < 1275728528 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275728528 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275728530 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275728532 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275729587 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275729775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, there? < 1275729807 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1275729828 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1275730143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" i'm listening" <<< predicting the future only works if you don't tell the people involved < 1275730153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i guess telling the conclusion is as bad as telling why < 1275730166 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. < 1275730176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have self-fulfilling prophesies. < 1275730506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the series i watch < 1275730611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i was just thinking about time travel in cayley graphs < 1275730790 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...How? < 1275731536 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275731997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err well see i first take an element g of infinite order that commutes with all the others and then i create rows H, gH, g^2H, ... containing all products with g with others, i consider one of these rows a point in time, time travel is when an element is repeated in a later row < 1275732009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to find a way to do a thing, but cayley graphs are so fucking general < 1275732307 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1275733486 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@129.241.210.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275733500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1275733516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spirit_Sucker! < 1275733585 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed! < 1275733642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my piano keys is broken :(( < 1275733650 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1275733665 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, why? < 1275733680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a tile fell off the ceiling :\ < 1275733717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there is a war between your ceiling and your piano, got it. < 1275733731 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems TV Burpesque. < 1275733740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should check your ceiling for strange vibration damage. < 1275733759 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, I like the ceiling, but I like the piano. but which is better?" < 1275733773 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My shift key seems to be defective. < 1275733787 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the piano that should be jealous of the tiles and not the other way around, i've been doing tilings and not played the piano at all for the past month < 1275733793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: How vital of a key? < 1275733807 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, replace it with a keyboard key. < 1275733811 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah. < 1275733815 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a rather low Eb < 1275733834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glue an E to a B and replace it. < 1275733838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HackEgo is seriously broken, unless you've just fixed it. < 1275733840 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B14D8B0.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275733847 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It reset because I fixed it. < 1275733848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1275733849 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ cube2.base64 \ cube2.jpg \ hack_gregor \ hello.txt \ help.txt \ huh \ netcat-0.7.1 \ netcat-0.7.1.tar.gz \ out.txt \ paste \ poetry.txt \ quotes \ share \ test.sh \ tmpdir.27406 \ wunderbar_emporium < 1275733851 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly play atonal stuff < 1275733852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275733862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel < 1275733864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1275733866 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes < 1275733867 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275733872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275733872 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275733873 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if i didn't, i don't know what keys are more vital than others < 1275733874 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :102| I want to read about Paris in the period 1900-1914 not about the sexual preferences of a bunch of writers >.> < 1275733888 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :33|IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler! < 1275733912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where german is completely mangled < 1275733917 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i use the white keys more < 1275733923 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Naturally. < 1275733932 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "WON" mean? < 1275733935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's why the nazis won, the english couldn't decipher german codes < 1275733940 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wohnen"? < 1275733956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because it's easier or anything, i just can't stand keys of different color than my own < 1275733984 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps Turing gave up because of everyone saying "what the hell is the point of TCness?" < 1275734007 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KingOfKarlsruhe: isn't it wonnen? i guess you're joking. < 1275734012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gewinnen < 1275734026 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean "gewonnen haben" < 1275734030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the ge- is on all forms? < 1275734040 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The office next to mine had "THE BRO-OFFICE" written on the whiteboard. So I modified it into "THE BROÖFFICE". Thinking of the diaresis mark as an umlaut made me consider finding the closest German analogue for that phrase and replacing it, but then I got lazy :P < 1275734046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever, my german is rusty < 1275734084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1275734096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what does BRO- mean < 1275734108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :office for black people < 1275734115 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably "of brothers"? Except in the "bro" sense of "brothers" < 1275734115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right < 1275734123 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with two extremely white people in it :P < 1275734160 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if it starts with "DIE" then I have to be careful that I don't write it in that order in case I'm interrupted right after I write "DIE" on somebody's whiteboard :P < 1275734208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i sometimes get startled by my watch on late tuesday/early wednesday < 1275734247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has 3-letter english day names, except when changing in the night it briefly passes through the german alternatives < 1275734259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1275734262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275734268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dienstag < 1275734281 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275734288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why < 1275734303 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1275734309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i presume there's a way to set it to use the german ones < 1275734316 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the middle of the night and suddenly your watch is making threatening remarks. < 1275734325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly! < 1275734422 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are old languages always hideous? < 1275734457 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old things always are, otherwise what would be the point of future < 1275734475 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ... no. < 1275734479 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just no. < 1275734486 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no further comments on that "no". Just no. < 1275734487 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LINGUAE SENILES NOT SUNT HIDEOSAE! < 1275734489 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*NON < 1275734508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: okay, could you elaborate < 1275734510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has no idea whether two of those words are correct
< 1275734563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, he said! < 1275734594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION almost, but not quite, manages to remember what office is in german
< 1275734596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is, if you're in the past then you make ugly things, if you're in the present, you make normal looking things, and if you're in the future you make awesome shiny things < 1275734611 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that people in the present (us) would have the perfect spot < 1275734623 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to look for, but still a past we can laugh at < 1275734683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually people in the present make strange dysfunctional things. at least that was my conclusion when visiting an art museum with my father the day before yesterday < 1275734733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was "crafty" arts too, or whatever it's called, so the old things were actually useable items) < 1275734822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the modern section there was a lot of ... weird stuff < 1275734833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it future stuff? < 1275734846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well have been < 1275734888 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gf is leaving for a month to go museum surfing in sweden < 1275734902 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275734923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is perfect because now i can just do math 24/7 and go insane < 1275734955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't go all gödel on us, here < 1275734967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DSFDASfADSFADSFADSFADF < 1275735017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you know he starved to death after his wife died because he thought everyone else was trying to poison him) < 1275735033 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he was that dude < 1275735049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i eat hamburgers off the street, i don't think i'll have that problem < 1275735055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay i don't but i might < 1275735126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm she didn't die she was in hospital < 1275735150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i just remember gödel+poison < 1275735168 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once read this book or two about mathematicians when i was a kid but i can't remember history < 1275735343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: "There exists a function UTM_P: UTM -> P such that interp_P(UTM_P(x)) = UTM(x) for all x" < 1275735370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function needs to be computable, otherwise you get almost everything < 1275735385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you may need a postprocessing function as well < 1275735672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : aha, and phantom_hoover has left so I have no one to reply to the reply to <-- doomed never to meet again! < 1275735760 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The honeycomb conjecture states that a regular hexagonal grid or honeycomb represents the best way to divide a surface into regions of equal area with the least total perimeter. Mathematician Thomas C. Hales proved the conjecture in 1999 with revisions in 2001. < 1275735764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that late? < 1275735784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thought it was an old easy variation of kepler's problem...
< 1275735822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i guess that is a bit stronger than if you already have decided on spheres, that may still be easy < 1275735829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*circles < 1275735984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (so some people consider it "not completely rigorous" but they're full of baloney) < 1275736023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the plus side i recall he started a project to get the proof computer verified < 1275736234 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275736331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : probably not oerjan's finest moment in language design <-- actually if you count the fact i actually got around to implementing it... < 1275736369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1275736543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:40:03 apparently oerjan's suggestion was CHIQRS9+ < 1275736543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:40:17 and then the author of HQ9+ suggested to add X < 1275736565 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite recall, however i'll point out that the choice of implementation for X was mine alone < 1275736787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:00:24 12:12:48 oklopol: hard to say. i have a theory that alise is the next zzo38. < 1275736791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:00:24 i'm listening < 1275736889 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you clearly consider zzo38 awesome, _and_ you are constantly considering reimplementing your own version of stuff. Q.E.D. < 1275737076 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275737085 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275737100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17:30 christ maryland is a police state < 1275737100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:17:30 6 cops had people pulled over in the same one mile stretch of road, with a 7th cop in the shadows waiting to pounce < 1275737157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that sounds like it might be a good idea to do occasionally, i'm sure there are car owners driving above the speed limit who count on not being pulled over because someone in front of them is doing the same thing and would be taken first... < 1275737181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you don't consider enforcing speed limits to be a police state in itself < 1275737198 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A police state is a state with police in it. < 1275737203 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only true freedom is anarchy. < 1275737204 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1275737252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it is not particularly wise to define police state in such a way that almost all people would prefer to live in one < 1275737261 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah i noticed the :P) < 1275737275 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-21-80.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1275737307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people aren't free in anarchy either, they also have to have no clue what's going on, like maybe strapped to a bad with constant lcd injections < 1275737313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bed < 1275737315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's freedom < 1275737348 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK!!!!!!! < 1275737372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to counter that, a perfect society would be one where you could know everything that was going on and still be happy < 1275737407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm the only one in the world who thinks smart people can be happy < 1275737438 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly i can't be the only one who's... or actually nm < 1275737450 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The perfect society is one in which the media constantly placates the people into believing they're in a perfect society. < 1275737453 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD. BLESS. AMERICA. < 1275737469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah countless philosophers have thought the opposite < 1275737495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes like alise < 1275737973 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi everyone! < 1275738153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a better mouse < 1275738245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a cat. < 1275738260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a habit of bringing in a wide variety of mice. < 1275738279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK YOU MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD ME < 1275738297 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND YOU MISUNDERESTIMATED ME. < 1275738298 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1275738471 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275738485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: onko Phantom_Hoover sinunkin mielestäsi hölmö < 1275738536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please just insult me in front of my face. < 1275738542 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did! < 1275738550 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, thanks. < 1275738564 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have our own secret language < 1275738569 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Called Finnish. < 1275738594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, i'll never tell < 1275738603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google translate rather agrees. < 1275738606 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1275738618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's unlikely that Finnish would be mistakeable for something else. < 1275738637 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275738639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i do agree but i'm not sure my opinion counts < 1275738702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had something to say but I forgot it. < 1275738711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have nothing to say but i'm gonna say it anyway < 1275738746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought streaming would make life easier than torrenting but i'm seriously considering going back < 1275738818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or buying a megavideo account, there's a million streaming services and they're the only one you can actually count on < 1275738825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1275738837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noerjan? < 1275738871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll insult oerjan now < 1275738872 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... < 1275738894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: eix ollu aika lol ku oerjan lähti hei < 1275738916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to learn more languages < 1275738947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that didn't really insult oerjan, actually i have no idea what it meant < 1275738948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baah, Google doesn't help very much. < 1275738962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey wasn't it pretty lol when oerjan left" < 1275738991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should not let things out unfiltered < 1275739084 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275739101 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like flies! < 1275739104 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They drop! < 1275739111 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHA < 1275740643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baah, why is no-one interested in the TreeVM? < 1275740789 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TreeVM? < 1275740880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A VM that operates on a tree as the fundamental data structure. < 1275740967 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me and CakeProphet were working on it yesterday. < 1275741016 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275741102 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to switch to KDE again.
< 1275741109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275741120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1275741128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only played like 250 games of minesweeper on this computer < 1275741143 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was actually a slight inference i needed to make during the last game :O < 1275741181 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: link? < 1275741183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which i mean this isn't a puzzle game < 1275741246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275741263 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: link? < 1275741266 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work for some reason. < 1275741275 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jabb, it's in yesterday's logs. < 1275741288 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1275741294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then select the second entry. < 1275741305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do a text search for "tree". < 1275742284 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh, I need to fix my packages. < 1275742664 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1275742679 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hallo < 1275742685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1275742700 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trees. < 1275742715 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So have you had any ideas for the language? < 1275743021 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....none < 1275743036 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1275743043 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is very tired and baked?
< 1275743378 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baked? < 1275743384 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time is it for you? < 1275743409 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you weren't the guy who'd been up for about 3 days, were you? < 1275744172 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 5:22am here < 1275744183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 1:22 here. < 1275744188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PM, if it's unclear. < 1275744301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where i live time doesn't exit < 1275744303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exist < 1275744342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you communicate with us, then? < 1275744349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh umm < 1275744378 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well err < 1275745089 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@198.134.92.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275745098 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor finally you came < 1275745104 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wooh airport < 1275745110 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Airport! < 1275745113 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` < 1275745114 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275745115 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :airport <3 < 1275745124 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeppelin! < 1275745137 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeppelins are probably the coolest things ever. < 1275745160 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Led Zeppelin? < 1275745187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the lighter ones that can fly < 1275745203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although lead balloons can fly. < 1275745207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mythbusters. < 1275745218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275745231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly very surprising < 1275746427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1275746786 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lead balloons? < 1275747006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Balloons. Made of lead. < 1275747015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does exactly what it says on the tin. < 1275747141 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1275747507 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275747549 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1275749042 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is desperately trying to find a situation in which he can call JavaScript communist.
< 1275749053 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since its object system is classless. < 1275749661 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like you've found it < 1275749746 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: btw, you wondered what my compiler compiled? it compiles a small language I made (not a very esoteric one though, mostly kind of ordinary) < 1275749783 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric is overrated. < 1275749838 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, I think it is pretty justly rated < 1275749842 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.71.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275749848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Artographer. < 1275750000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what's the language like? < 1275750122 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: mostly C:ish, but with modules and some differences in the syntax for types < 1275750140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1275750142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Oh, is this that M++ thing? < 1275750161 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, based on the same ideas, but not really < 1275750182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M++? < 1275750193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner, what's the language like?00:28:58 Hint: XHTML... < 1275750193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1275750194 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like the fourth time I've started making something like that, but only this time it ended up as a compiler that can actually do anything < 1275750199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: some thing olsner wrote two posts about on his blog then gave up on < 1275750205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*newline before 00:28:58 < 1275750236 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, I've dropped all the "++" parts to make it easier to get somewhere < 1275750257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, dropping the ++ part from C++ gives you a vastly superior language < 1275750259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so good idea < 1275750269 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with ++? < 1275750271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: make sure to stray far away from D territory; it is a failure and an abomination, so don't repeat it. < 1275750276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: C++ is an abhorrent language < 1275750298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you weren't expressing some strange dislike for the post- and pre-decrement operators. < 1275750299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:30:38 Gregor: HackEgo is seriously broken, unless you've just fixed it. < 1275750299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:30:40 --- join: KingOfKarlsruhe (~nice@p5B14D8B0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #esoteric < 1275750299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:30:47 oerjan: It reset because I fixed it. < 1275750302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY SEXY TIME < 1275750312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone find the `addquotes we've done in the meantime < 1275750327 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, where did D go in particular that was bad? < 1275750350 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling "M++" gives something weird which seems to involve both Unix and sharks. < 1275750418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, isn't C a subset of C++? In the sense that a valid C program is also a valid C++ program? < 1275750434 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only *almost* < 1275750456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's some mad stuff, like references. < 1275750596 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, is there a link to a spec, olsner? < 1275750596 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in terms of the sets of valid programs, there are many valid C programs that are not valid in C++ < 1275750655 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, not really, but I might write one eventually :) < 1275750665 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example code? < 1275750821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:34:00 oerjan: The office next to mine had "THE BRO-OFFICE" written on the whiteboard. So I modified it into "THE BROÖFFICE". Thinking of the diaresis mark as an umlaut made me consider finding the closest German analogue for that phrase and replacing it, but then I got lazy :P < 1275750830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love diaereses <3 < 1275750834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : aha, where did D go in particular that was bad? < 1275750836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everywhere. < 1275750849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: e.g. int *x = malloc(butt) < 1275750858 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what? < 1275750866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no implicit casting from void * in C++ < 1275750866 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is butt? < 1275750869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything < 1275750880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It tries to be everything: it has (specified) laziness, closures, templates that border on macros, ... < 1275750899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: In being all this, the actual underlying C++-esque language is very drab and boring without much insightful design; the rest is simply heaped on. < 1275750921 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heaping stuff on is a respected design principle! < 1275750928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: There's also the fact that getting the toolchains to work is actually the hardest thing to do in the language -- and of any language -- but that's not about the language. < 1275750936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Albert Einstein himself praised its simplicity! < 1275750970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Seriously: To get the latest-stuff-that-actually-works, you have to compile LLVM yourself, then fiddle with CMake settings endlessly, then run the right script to compile Tango, make sure you don't specify D2, sometimes you have to do this in seperate stages, and /then/ you have to manually install the files.) < 1275750974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And even then it only works sometimes.) < 1275751034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:40:22 Why are old languages always hideous? < 1275751036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is not hideous. < 1275751044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Lisp is one of THE oldest languages. < 1275751051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What predates it... hmm, Fortran. That's about it. < 1275751067 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp is an exception. < 1275751076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Algol isn't so ugly. < 1275751076 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Or, you can download the Tango bundle and untar it. :-P < 1275751097 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example code (BF interpreter): http://paste.cplusplus.se/paste.php?id=11910 < 1275751097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also, Pascal isn't so ugly. < 1275751105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that gets me is mainly the p < 1275751107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Basically: Lisp, and anything Niklaus Wirth touched, isn't ugly. < 1275751117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POINTLESS ALL CAPS < 1275751123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also haven't had to compile LLVM yourself since LLVM 2.6. < 1275751132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WAS NOT POINTLESS; THAT WAS A SIDE-EFFECT OF LIMITATIONS OF THE CHARACTER SETS BACK THEN. < 1275751140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Okay then: it USED to be flaming death, now it's just partly flaming death. < 1275751153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S STILL UGLY. < 1275751167 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any point in time since, I don't know, 2008 maybe, there have been Tango bundles. < 1275751187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WELL, NOT EVERY LANGUAGE DID THAT. INDEED ALGOL 68, BLOATED BEAST THAT IT WAS, DEFINED THINGS ABSTRACTLY WITH UNDERLINES AND LOWERCASE TEXT -- AND SPECIFIED THAT IMPLEMENTERS MUST MAKE THIS WORK; THE MOST COMMON STRATEGY WAS UPPERCASE + PUNCTUATION MARKS. < 1275751199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(YOU COULD USE RESERVED WORDS AS VARIABLE NAMES BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE SET AS VARIABLES, NOT AS UNDERLINED KEYWORDS.) < 1275751208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But binaries are meh :P < 1275751229 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If you insist on building from source, don't be surprised if it gets tricky. :-P < 1275751255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just let pikhq continue this debate, he hates the D toolchain mess even more than me < 1275751263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq pikhq pikhq (if you call his name thrice he appears) < 1275751338 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of a mess you end up in depends mostly on the project you want to build, I suppose < 1275751339 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How inefficient. < 1275751351 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're just starting to code something it's not at all bad. < 1275751354 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He should try to get it down to at most 2. < 1275751432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has E been invented? < 1275751454 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure there's a language called E. < 1275751455 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, yes. < 1275751457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275751462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a capability-based language thing. Quite nice. < 1275751465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And F... < 1275751467 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only a few letters that haven't been taken. < 1275751486 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H? < 1275751528 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn. < 1275751535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1275751543 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about ß? < 1275751566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bonus points because people will confuse it with B. < 1275751604 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A G H I N O P X < 1275751614 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on some quick Google-checking. < 1275751629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, X seems nice. < 1275751655 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's X++, but not X. :-P < 1275751747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is X++-- sensible? < 1275751751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dibs on the entire greek alphabet < 1275751755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or --X++? < 1275751771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dibs on Cyrillic! < 1275751771 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Lambda's taken :-P < 1275751790 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all Asian scripts. < 1275751803 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And various scripts for conlangs. < 1275751839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greek alphabet is great because literally every single character is pretty except capital xi < 1275751859 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, can I have capital xi? < 1275751883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ξ < 1275751886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you really want it? < 1275751892 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1275751893 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I think capital omicron is a bit boring < 1275751911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you the Kanji for lowercase xi and zeta. < 1275751923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absolutely not. < 1275751925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zeta is beautiful. < 1275751933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Boring, perhaps, but not inelegant. < 1275751934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, just lowercase xi. < 1275751948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uppercase xi has a certain charm when serif. < 1275751949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The upper-case letter of omicron (O) was originally used as a symbol for Big O notation," < 1275751952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you'd notice that. < 1275751956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Definitely not lowercase Xi. < 1275751961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what? These letters aren't for sale. < 1275751961 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's serious business. < 1275751965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't sell dibs. < 1275751967 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't find it particularly pretty. < 1275751970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swapsies? < 1275751990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Okay, then: Every other letter. And don't say "not the uppercase ones that are equivalent to Latin ones" because they're only boring because they're familiar. < 1275751996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I also call the Talking Leaves. < 1275751998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Greek text, in general, looks gorgeous. < 1275752007 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I wasn't going to. < 1275752052 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have theta? < 1275752060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1275752068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this is interesting, when playing minesweeper, i can't simultaneously solve another problem EXCEPT if i do all the inference speaking out loud < 1275752085 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you most of the conlangs. < 1275752101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe natural languages do have some use < 1275752102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only flaw of the greek alphabet is... that lowercase upsilon and nu are very slightly confusable? Dunno. < 1275752106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1275752110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least languages < 1275752123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... the way χ hangs below the baseline is strange. < 1275752150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also represents a weird sound, at least in the IPA. < 1275752160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the IPA"? You're strange. < 1275752170 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1275752170 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why's that strange? < 1275752190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://scripts.sil.org/cms/sites/nrsi/media/Gentium_home_5.png i just want to stare at this all day < 1275752191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i wonder if i could solve a problem, watch a tv series and play minesweeper simultaneously < 1275752195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: because IPA is usually treated as... a unit < 1275752202 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's not a weird sound :-P < 1275752209 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I call the obsolete Greek characters. < 1275752219 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And stigma, heta and sho. < 1275752225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone set Euclid's Elements (at least the first book) in Gentium nicely and I will love them forever < 1275752234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ah ah ah, I still consider them part of the Greek alphabet < 1275752238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already called them. BITCH < 1275752241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaalll mine < 1275752243 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "The IPA" is grammatically correct, "IPA" alone isn't. < 1275752257 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider zeta outside the Greek alphabet, then. < 1275752264 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1275752266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't care, I also consider "ATM machine" acceptable for instance. < 1275752268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1275752271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't read acronyms as their expansions :P < 1275752276 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call the modern Greek alphabet. < 1275752281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I already called it. < 1275752283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys, no one cares about YOUR discussion, just join mine < 1275752284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just get over it < 1275752288 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If you just don't care, then don't consider it "strange" to do it correctly :-P < 1275752300 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fine. < 1275752303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i don't care about either one -> < 1275752315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own the constructed scripts, so I can just make up letters. < 1275752331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I believe it perfectly correct to consider acronyms as atomic objects, not their expansions. < 1275752357 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. < 1275752366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "the IPA" isn't strange. < 1275752381 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes read acronyms as their expansions, so I prefer the phrasing to be valid for that as well. < 1275752382 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IPA" is still in need of an article. < 1275752404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what's ATM machine? < 1275752419 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatic Teller Machine Machine. < 1275752423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1275752432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just call it an AT machine? < 1275752442 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's called an ATM. < 1275752449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a totally superfluous syllable. < 1275752465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so why add the machine to the end? < 1275752466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't sure because alternating turing machine machine works too < 1275752528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know what the other atm is but i didn't know what it was short for) < 1275752562 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1275752598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Quod Libet fails on me] < 1275752675 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because he/she/it "... I'm not sure what "libet" means. < 1275752721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quodlibet means "what pleases" < 1275752735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually seen in "ex falso quodlibet", "from falsehood, follows what pleases" < 1275752742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail at Latin, I think. < 1275752749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as do I < 1275752753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway Quod Libet is just a music player. < 1275752761 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't fail at it, since I have done EXAMS. < 1275752781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, guys, I need a suggestion for an audio library thing to play various audio formats programmatically. < 1275752791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not GStreamer; GObject crap and iirc it's not gapless or something if you play multiple files. < 1275752798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Xine; Xine is shit. < 1275752799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps libvlc? < 1275752802 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you fail at exams, you fail at the subject, if you pass the exams, either you don't fail at the subjects or the exams fail at the subject < 1275752811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone used it? Apparently ffmpeg has an example that uses SDL to do the actual audio but ffmpeg to decode? < 1275752836 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real programmers don't listen to music. < 1275752851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hum of the cooling fan is music to their ears. < 1275752858 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "various audio formats" I guess you mean "typical audio formats" < 1275752867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if they're silent PC obsessives and their cooling fan is inaudible? < 1275752886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they enjoy the silence. < 1275752886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: FLAC, Vorbis, MP3 (it's okay if you have to enable some silly switch), AAC at least < 1275752903 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye, so typical. < 1275752910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275752923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish to write a music server, you see. < 1275752932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MPD and XMMS2 have the flaw that I didn't write them. < 1275752935 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it serve music? < 1275752945 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people and your NIH syndromes. < 1275752973 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expand NIH. < 1275752980 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Invented Here. < 1275752998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1275753032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A music server is a server that handles playing various subsets of a collection of music, while clients provide the interface and other functionality. < 1275753046 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1275753057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, something that scrobbles played tracks to last.fm would be its own little daemon that connects to the music server, sets up a hook for the NewTrackStartedPlaying event or similar, and sends the info, while another client handles the actual user interaction. < 1275753065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could have a command that works like "music stop", "music skip", etc. < 1275753073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And Deewiant: yes, I'm aware you should wait until half-way to scrobble a track) < 1275753075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*track.) < 1275753080 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why separate the server and the client if it's for personal use? < 1275753096 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can connect to it from different machines (more) conveniently. < 1275753103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Not for me, that's not my reason. < 1275753129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greater extensibility: I may want to say "music skip" even if I normally use another client; the Unix philosophy is better, one tool for one job, and this enables it (see e.g. the last.fm client); if I'm going to write something, I should write it correctly, and the GUI should not be bundled with the actual player; < 1275753138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it allows usage across different desktop environments and so on. < 1275753146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus if the GUI app crashes or has some problem it doesn't interrupt your music. < 1275753186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the server deals with actually getting the music out of the speakers? < 1275753235 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server streams to the client, which gets it out of the speakers. < 1275753238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, OSSv4 devices appear to have disappeared. < 1275753247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Er... no. < 1275753261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Are you sure you know how XMMS2/MPD work? Because it's not like that. < 1275753278 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'm confusing it with shoutcast and whatever. < 1275753299 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know pretty much nothing of how they work. < 1275753305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The server handles maintaining the collection of the music including parsing out their tags, etc., maintaining playlists -- including, say, ones done programatically based on some tags or whatnot -- and getting out of the speakers. < 1275753315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My suggestion: get an instrument that you can play with your feet. < 1275753333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In turn, clients handle displaying what song is playing, letting the user change the song from a nice list, showing an interface to create and view playlists, setting modes like shuffle, etc., and also non-UI clients handle things like interfacing with last.fm and the like. < 1275753415 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may also benefit from getting an application that automatically scrolls music across the screen. < 1275753428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How on earth has OSS just disappeared... < 1275753429 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then learn to decouple your eyes and multitask. < 1275753438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Your suggestion is rubbish. < 1275753454 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada! You can now look like a complete idiot while listening to music. < 1275753461 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My issues with music players are mostly the supported file formats, so I don't much know or care about most of the other features. < 1275753466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but it must be funny to watch. < 1275753480 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-46-148.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1275753563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Heh, what do you use? MPC? WavPack? ...TAK?! < 1275753582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you might actually use Musepack. < 1275753587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a scary thought. < 1275753610 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a count from late 2007 here: only one .mpc. < 1275753614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mp3PRO :P < 1275753622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What, then? .mid? < 1275753623 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly modules and the like. < 1275753636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RealAudio? < 1275753637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1275753655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see midis and modules and the like as separate from actual audio wave files, so I don't particularly care about supporting them. < 1275753660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fileformatist, sure, but I don't really care. < 1275753660 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.mid, .mod, .s3m, .xm, .it, .gbs, .psf, .snd, .sndh, .ay, .gym, .sap, .sid, .mtm, .spc, ... off the top of my head. < 1275753696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit, they made a new Musepack release. < 1275753698 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to listen to them, so I don't care what I "see them as", just that they work :-P < 1275753712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's not like you'd ever use software I wrote, anyway. < 1275753723 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like you ever finish anything, anyway. < 1275753729 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1275753773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm deeply offended. < 1275753795 0 :softmoon!~matengneo@2001:da8:201:1172:c154:dcc9:1bbf:7525 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275753819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:55:43 ais523: "There exists a function UTM_P: UTM -> P such that interp_P(UTM_P(x)) = UTM(x) for all x" < 1275753819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:56:10 the function needs to be computable, otherwise you get almost everything < 1275753819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:56:25 also you may need a postprocessing function as well < 1275753819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, true < 1275753823 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ym is hard to find a player for. < 1275753823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering something like < 1275753838 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or easy to find, but it seems a bit random. < 1275753874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interp_P(UTM_P(x)) -out-> {halts_with(o) => interp_UTM(x) == halts_with(UTM_P_post(o)); hangs => hangs } < 1275753875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1275753880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: .ym? < 1275753881 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad I have around 400 of them. < 1275753926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:26:38 A police state is a state with police in it. < 1275753926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:26:43 The only true freedom is anarchy. < 1275753926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:26:44 :P < 1275753926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:27:32 Gregor: it is not particularly wise to define police state in such a way that almost all people would prefer to live in one < 1275753926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "almost all" < 1275753937 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ym is ST-Sound's file format. < 1275753987 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly for Atari stuff, AFAIK. < 1275753987 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: do you mean almost all = all for sensible measures of finite populations < 1275753992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, that ... helps < 1275754002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, I'm not a pedantic asshole like that < 1275754009 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://leonard.oxg.free.fr/stsound.html < 1275754009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a different kind of pedantic asshole < 1275754015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I just meant that there are quite a few anarchists around. < 1275754021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, even in this channel < 1275754031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: you're crazy < 1275754046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i know < 1275754083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:03:41 ....none < 1275754084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:03:56 .. < 1275754084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:04:03 * CakeProphet is very tired and baked? < 1275754084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:09:38 baked? < 1275754084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK HE MIGHT BE REFERRING TO DRUGS < 1275754122 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I listen to esoteric stuff :-P < 1275754163 0 :softmoon!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275754166 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so phantom hoover is a hoover that's also a phantom, and cake prophet is a cake that's also a prophet, have i somehow seriously misunderstood how compounds are usually constructed < 1275754169 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, have some esoteric stuff that I want to be able to listen to on demand. < 1275754221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, anyone ever used libvlc? < 1275754268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uninstalls OSS, returns to ALSA in despair
< 1275754511 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Back when I was a DOSist, I used to use Cubic Player, because of the Würfel Mode. < 1275754528 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Würfel mode? < 1275754542 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what it was like, just the name. < 1275754546 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1275754560 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cubic.org/player/features.html "the only software on earth featuring Würfel Mode" < 1275754560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something has gone awfully wrong. < 1275754565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sound is... refusing to work. < 1275754573 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't handle much; just the common mod formats, MIDI, and SID. < 1275754587 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that feature list is a bit bigger than the one I was looking at. < 1275754605 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, still not that much. < 1275754620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I didn't/don't have very esoteric files. < 1275754641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no screenshot of Würfel Mode either. But it supported all VESA text modes, and I think my Matrox Mystique 220 card offered quite many of those. < 1275754642 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current plan is to go for http://xmp.sourceforge.net/ at some point. < 1275754783 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The "phantom" is an adjective. < 1275754794 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While "cake" is not an adjective. < 1275754917 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: During a brief Windows time, I also used http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/DeliPlayer for a while -- it has a reasonably large format support, but I guess it's pretty dead and was windows-only anyway. < 1275754972 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might use that for the Amiga stuff if it were non-Windows. < 1275755143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275755158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that http://zakalwe.fi/uade/ too. < 1275755177 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zakalwe.fi? < 1275755180 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Culture fans? < 1275755196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1275755301 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.71.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275755307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am unable to get sound working < 1275755431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Should I just install Arch? And why am I asking an Arch fanboy this? < 1275755502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use Movitz. < 1275755521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can feel superior to everyone. < 1275755530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from Scheme users. < 1275755536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Reduceron users. < 1275755561 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What machine-level Scheme implementation is there? < 1275755568 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1275755583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom's < 1275755626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes no sense in this context. < 1275755634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely < 1275755710 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, there is Schemix. < 1275755717 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use that. < 1275755735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had plans for a Scheme OS once. Was going to use someone's little x86-sexp-assembler written in Scheme. < 1275755741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was going to be called X-Scheme or something. < 1275755774 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it fell by the wayside, like so many of our dreams? < 1275755787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1275755804 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glad that I'm not the only one. < 1275755944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I need to go on an epic journey across Scotland and over the Irish sea in about 10 minutes, for "work" "experience". < 1275755952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MAY NOT RETURN. < 1275756040 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hey, "fanboy" is a bit strong. < 1275756058 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Thanks for that UADE thing; I don't think I knew about that, before. < 1275756074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Fanboy isn't a very strong word :P < 1275756080 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: I have a NASA t-shirt with what seem like blatant mathematical errors on it.. < 1275756080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And you didn't answer my question! < 1275756091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your mother is a blatant mathematical error LOL LOL < 1275756099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if your mother is actually dead that causes a lot of awkwardness for me here < 1275756122 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often does that happen? < 1275756139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I know of two in here who talk a lot who fit that bill. < 1275756151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, my mother is not dead. < 1275756192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know! < 1275756196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom is so fat she DIED. < 1275756202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yet!" < 1275756224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR MOTHER IS SUCH A FAT WHORE, SHE DIED OF A PENIS INFECTION. ALSO, OBESITY. < 1275756225 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot! < 1275756226 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: luxy has an abcd! krob! krob! krob! krob! < 1275756240 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What style is he on...? < 1275756244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^STYLE < 1275756246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1275756247 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1275756254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: luxy has an abcd! krob! < 1275756255 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: plus one exception to that.) the service book. < 1275756264 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hastily reads remaining webcomics from today
< 1275756291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote pikhq: from csh type ' exit', is a simple protocol which provides an interface to c. [...] < 1275756292 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ( .)y(.) bbl. going to use apple hw then indents the s-expression following that. they are even more limited pre-scheme. < 1275756293 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :170| pikhq: from csh type ' exit', is a simple protocol which provides an interface to c. [...] < 1275756297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote alise: nobody is allowed to fnord me in soviet russia < 1275756298 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: most people slow down while driving by accidents, most of which are themselves lists, then party on. < 1275756300 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :171| alise: nobody is allowed to fnord me in soviet russia < 1275756304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote AnMaster: intercal-72 c-intercal clc-intercal j-intercal yes all versions all versions < 1275756305 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: standardizing on s-r _only_? surely someone must have cancelled. too bad it died ( or so it seemed. < 1275756307 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :172| AnMaster: intercal-72 c-intercal clc-intercal j-intercal yes all versions all versions < 1275756308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filling in the fungot-quote backlog :P < 1275756319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote AnMaster: to any airbus plane. 3 passengers sadly died the most awesome thing ever. < 1275756321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungquote! < 1275756321 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :173| AnMaster: to any airbus plane. 3 passengers sadly died the most awesome thing ever. < 1275756339 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's sometimes a bit inconsiderate. < 1275756345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [...] i'm a law student so i am loving my bread machine < 1275756348 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :174| [...] i'm a law student so i am loving my bread machine < 1275756429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote alise, marble marbelus < 1275756433 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :175| alise, marble marbelus < 1275756438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are a bit chronologically distorted, but who cares < 1275756445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote cmake is a nuclear powered waffle iron powered by a burning-hot testicle attachment and it burns one of the waffles and doesn't touch the other. < 1275756448 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :176| cmake is a nuclear powered waffle iron powered by a burning-hot testicle attachment and it burns one of the waffles and doesn't touch the other. < 1275756449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(coppro tried to quote that, not me) < 1275756468 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I figured that by calling me a fanboy you'd guessed my answer already < 1275756477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: MAYBE I'M WRONG. < 1275756500 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably aren't < 1275756539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Tell me, I can't take it any longer! < 1275756573 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, go ahead and install Arch, it'll make life easier :-P < 1275756612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Issue; my mother uses this computer sometimes. < 1275756635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So even better!! < 1275756649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to put up with parental invasion. < 1275756704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES, but, this is the only half-shared computer < 1275756760 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, why are you caring about whether stuff works on that one ;-P < 1275756771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only one unpacked and plugged in atm. < 1275756848 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go now AND I MAY NOT RETURN. < 1275756850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVER. < 1275756853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGAIN. < 1275756860 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See ya < 1275756867 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275756897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I need life advice ;_; like an antelope < 1275757047 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggestion: get sound working < 1275757073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Tried & failed. < 1275757076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mixer is just ... not there < 1275757097 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask on # < 1275757122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Have you ever been in #ubuntu? < 1275757126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? Count yourself lucky. < 1275757126 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1275757146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You repeat something fifty times, and still nobody's actual question is answered. < 1275757151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just tiny irrelevant ones that aren't even vaguely technical. < 1275757160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you just say it ONE time, then it disappears into the backlog in about 2 seconds.) < 1275757435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Which is probably a reason to switch to Arch, really. < 1275757442 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1275757499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, go ahead and install Arch, it'll make life easier :-P <-- but you have to edit some text config files at least once. I'm not sure alise is that type < 1275757519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I am perfectly capable of editing textual configuration files. < 1275757520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm sure he could do it, but I also suspect he wouldn't like it < 1275757529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes but you don't want to, right? < 1275757551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not my fault that "Linuxtarded just-make-it-work idiot" and "incredibly ultra-genius visionary post-configuration post-object-oriented metasystem enthusiast" are so easily confusable when presented with Linux :-P < 1275757565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not just genius, INCREDIBLY ULTRA-genius) < 1275757586 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, because at end of install you will get a menu to edit some system config files, you probably need to set time zone and a few misc things at least. Oh and you need to add the init scripts to start by using a config file that lists them, In the order you want XD < 1275757634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've installed Arch before. < 1275757643 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-48-53.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275757650 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two things that annoys me with arch linux: 1) init script system is rather limited 2) no debug symbol packages (yet, and this has been planed for a looong time) < 1275757652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit I don't like is that configuration thing that you have to re-combine the kernel or whatever to take effect. < 1275757655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has modules and stuff in it. < 1275757661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can never decide what to put in it first time! < 1275757666 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you mean re-generate initramfs? < 1275757670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1275757684 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ubuntu does that too. < 1275757690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) doesn't bother me, my init needs are very minimal and (2) so how do you debug programs effectively? < 1275757742 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) only applies if you're debugging a system library < 1275757751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1275757752 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you don't like it, change it? < 1275757753 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, (2) by building a custom glibc that installs debug symbols, that is what I need for my debugging currently. Don't really need debug symbols for all the other stuff < 1275757774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my only problem with Arch is that (1) it sucks, like all software and (2) I don't think my mother would appreciate using it < 1275757775 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, debug symbols for glibc is increadibly useful for any debugging. < 1275757784 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incredibly* < 1275757788 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say so < 1275757799 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've yet to even feel the need for debuggers typically :-P < 1275757814 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: (1) doesn't really count < 1275757827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yesterday I tried another one, debugging over IR. Embedded systems are quite interesting to debug sometimes... < 1275757829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it sucks to initially set up moreso than Ubuntu, then < 1275757837 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically printf but sending messages over ir < 1275757850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it turned out to solve the issue, due to the extra delay that printf over IR caused XD < 1275757883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh to hell with it, I'll just buy my mother a portable solitaire device < 1275757889 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm quite sure your DAEMONS array will be nothing like mine, but in case it helps: < 1275757896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAEMONS=(syslog-ng @sensors @gpm @smartd @alsa network @iptables @ntpd @aiccu @sshd @hal crond @ddclient @ip6tables @denyhosts @postfix @mdadm @cpufreq) < 1275757898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, maybe I'll just get her an iPad, it would satisfy like 110% of everything she wants to do with a computer :-P < 1275757908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has solitaire, email, and the web < 1275757912 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been on #ubuntu channel, but only for one thing, to ask about autorun DVDs in Ubuntu, so that I can do Quality Control testing. (Please note all the computers already have Ubuntu installed (it has nothing to do with me), I just needed to add a program.) < 1275757915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, she = ? < 1275757918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: @ = not? < 1275757920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: she = mother < 1275757924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the semi-shared computer < 1275757939 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAEMONS=(syslog-ng fix-mtrr @network @irqbalance !netfs @crond arch32 @alsa @hal @cups @sshd @openntpd @inadyn) < 1275757981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could actually remove that !netfs < 1275757982 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, @ = "in background" < 1275758003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ALSA is lame :< < 1275758016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I thought you hated HAL? < 1275758024 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that even does anything for me < 1275758028 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not < 1275758036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not load syslog-ng in background :P < 1275758049 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes but things doesn't work without it < 1275758061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never read system logs anyway :D < 1275758064 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make it !alsa for now < 1275758065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as for syslog-ng, I don't want to miss out on early errors < 1275758069 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case stuff goes wrong < 1275758074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: heh; what do you use instead of alsa? < 1275758079 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pulse < 1275758079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ossv3? :-D < 1275758080 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, doesn't alsa just restore mixer levels? < 1275758082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Erm... < 1275758083 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1275758086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Pulse uses ALSA. < 1275758090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's a layer over ALSA. < 1275758092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Or OSS, I think. < 1275758097 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a layer over a million things < 1275758103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What do you layer it over then...? < 1275758103 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, that just restores the mixer levels < 1275758113 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, whatever it does by default I guess < 1275758116 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably ALSA < 1275758117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Methinks I'll use pekwm < 1275758122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus gnome-tray or something < 1275758126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, gnome-panel < 1275758137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe XFCE's panel < 1275758173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you probably want alsa there then. Since otherwise channels start all muted iirc < 1275758194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE POWAH OF OSSV4 < 1275758209 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I just stopped alsa and sound still works < 1275758261 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-164.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275758262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, stop != start < 1275758277 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err... yes? < 1275758278 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop just saves mixer levels to a file < 1275758283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start just loads them < 1275758288 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik stop doesn't mute channels < 1275758304 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it doesn't, by default < 1275758353 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so it is necessary. < 1275758444 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it isn't like it hogs system resources or anything < 1275758460 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't mean it shouldn't be removed < 1275758478 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it should be removed if you aren't using ALSA, but probably not otherwise < 1275758487 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly < 1275758494 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you like messing with mixer controls at every boot < 1275758631 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1275758658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1275758874 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which card games do you play? < 1275759008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not many. < 1275759070 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275759274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: what options are good to enable on a filesystem again? noatime, what else? < 1275759286 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nodiratime < 1275759292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? Doesn't noatime do that? < 1275759298 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno < 1275759307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers using JFS
< 1275759313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Arch support JFS out of the box, I wonder? < 1275759333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS is <3 < 1275759345 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the standard kernel in the core repository? Dunno. < 1275759356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast and reliable like XFS, "fsck" takes 2 seconds if there's an error and <1s if there's none, error recovery is very good, ... < 1275759382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, apparently it's actually <1s for system failure, not 2s < 1275759408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The JFS driver is built as a module in the standard Arch kernel packages." < 1275759421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just have to add "jfs" to one of those file things, right? < 1275759432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one of those file things" :D < 1275759443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are using a generic Arch package for your kernel, you can simply append elevator=deadline to the kernel line in your /boot/grub/menu.lst The kernel entry would look something like: < 1275759444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1275759458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also possible to enable the Deadline I/O scheduler for specific devices by invoking the following command: < 1275759459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo deadline > /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler < 1275759460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubly noted < 1275759494 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That better than CFQ? < 1275759582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For JFS, yes. < 1275759587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you using JFS? < 1275759595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS+deadline outperforms all other Linux filesystems, IIRC. < 1275759595 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1275759607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just keep using whatever. < 1275759625 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you play? Bridge? Hearts? Poker? Solitaire? Gin Rummy? Pokemon Card? Tarot Card? < 1275759631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hells yeah, Brain Fuck Scheduler is in AUR < 1275759637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Solitaire is actually called Klondike. < 1275759640 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play any card game actively < 1275759661 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I meant solitaire games in general, I didn't mean Klondike solitaire specifically < 1275759666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1275759680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tarot isn't a game, just a silly waste of time :-) < 1275759734 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is actually just a deck of cards. There are many kind of games that are played with them, however. (Most are trick-taking types, which were what tarot cards originally designed for; but now you can also play Gnostics (which also requires Icehouse pieces as well)) < 1275759793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I didn't realise. < 1275759890 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if I could make a deck like http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/PySol/screen/spider-tarot-cardset.png but larger and for printing, with numbers in both corners, and a book to go with it (describing various games (both soitaire and multiplayer), also possibly with a very brief appendix about "interpretations" of the "meanings" of cards and so on) < 1275759922 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is my preferred tarot deck although the one in the picture is only suitable for computer game < 1275759925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=32877 ;; con kolivas patchset kernel < 1275759970 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like Uncarrot Tarot but it is not available anywhere and not compatible with standard tarot. Spider tarot is compatible with normal tarot, so the standard trick taking games can still be played with them. < 1275759981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: https://lwn.net/Articles/244941/ noatime => nodiratime < 1275760052 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The problem is if the majors have to be given names, which is used in Gnostica (but you could just write down which number has which effect) < 1275760089 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this deck? < 1275760098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to reboot, then. < 1275760121 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1275760136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275760212 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1275760303 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found another bug in ngIRCd, it doesn't log QUIT messages! < 1275760833 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1275762041 0 :kalise!~arch@91.105.71.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275762049 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking fuck fuck fucker fuckity < 1275762052 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1275762055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ARCH IS NO < 1275762067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was doing its mkcpio thing after I configured it when I accidentally ^C'd the installer < 1275762073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it wants me to do it all over again just to do that part < 1275762083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: AnMaster: HALP < 1275762105 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do it all over again. < 1275762113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But that's completely pointless, and slow. < 1275762123 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is accidentally ^C'ing stuff in the middle of installation. < 1275762134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to cancel one particular step. < 1275762136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESC didn't work. < 1275762173 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have much of a choice here AFAIK :-P < 1275762188 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install manually or do it again. < 1275762202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it says that the filesystem is busy, ha ha ha < 1275762223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umount doesn't work. ha ha ha. < 1275762227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says it's busy too; ha ha ha. < 1275762244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; < 1275762279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umount -f -l /dev/sdb1 < 1275762281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:3 < 1275762296 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe start with fuser/lsof :-P < 1275762344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it complain about having no separate /boot? < 1275762347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is, like, 2012. < 1275762360 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. I have a separate /boot. < 1275762363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1275762376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LVM or sth? < 1275762387 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that I can't accidentally overwrite my grub.conf or kernel. < 1275762395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things I'm going to have to figure out before I reboot this thing: lilo! < 1275762404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub technically can boot jfs but it's very unrecommended < 1275762407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... lilo < 1275762429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lilo totally gets a bad rep :))) < 1275762438 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... a separate /boot with a more palatable fs ;-P < 1275762448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS is perfectly palatable. And I don't like GRUB anyway. < 1275762453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing wrong with lilo. < 1275762458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the lilo that was around in the 90s :P < 1275762459 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Palatable to GRUB, I obviously meant. < 1275762467 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, doesn't matter. < 1275762473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh no, I have to run lilo(1) when I update my kernel!" < 1275762489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch installs sysvinit by default -- have they abandoned the bsd style init?! < 1275762496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say it ain't so! < 1275762618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses /dev/sd[a-z][0-9]+ identifiers in fstab cuz he's a rebel
< 1275762627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*she's; stupid self-inflicted nick pronouns < 1275762672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone in here used pekwm? < 1275762765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot how cool xdm is < 1275762809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is netfs anyway < 1275762980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION considers using xfwm
< 1275763049 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275763094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, i lament lament, a last lament, alas < 1275763138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas, I lament, I lament lament, I lament, alas <-- palindrome < 1275763146 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h202.8.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275763169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet prophesises cakes < 1275763249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :krade'tmar < 1275763287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t'keprophea'c < 1275763310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: thanks for the helpful advice, it just installed the packages then failed and quit again < 1275763322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it couldn't umount /mnt/proc which was apparently mounted < 1275763327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have to do it ALL. OVER. AGAIN < 1275763334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oasijfsgsoyshjhiohjhjopjoisjgirg < 1275763366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YH8998982Y3892Y321873Y12983Y89213Y98213 < 1275763369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well time to reboot. < 1275763377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1275763630 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant: AnMaster: HALP <-- ? < 1275763707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1275764392 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-205-116.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275764707 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1275764859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:53:45 --- quit: oerjan (Quit: Later) < 1275764866 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:56:02 "hey wasn't it pretty lol when oerjan left" < 1275764896 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: thanks for adding that quote < 1275764898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you find that quit message hilarious... < 1275764916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it means something funny in finnish < 1275764945 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Baah, why is no-one interested in the TreeVM? < 1275764961 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a very new idea < 1275765005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that is our _normal_ reaction to 90% of new esolangs. < 1275765093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that may be because 90% of esolangs are just machine codes with slightly eclectic instruction sets < 1275765643 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1275766065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why Reduce[d == Norm[{a - b, c - d} + t*{v - u, x - y}], {t}] makes mathematica lock up < 1275766309 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat obvious, but I had to check: it begins to load in wolfram alpha, but then stops < 1275766318 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen that before < 1275766732 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275766758 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-164.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275766877 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oranjer, I presume they kill queries after some fixed time limit < 1275767869 0 :jabb!~475e1fa6@gateway/web/freenode/x-vcntxefnmakdywee JOIN :#esoteric < 1275767877 0 :jabb!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1275768420 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275770476 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275771524 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275771931 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the HELP command in ngIRCd send ERR_NORECIPIENT_MSG if you put too many arguments? < 1275771966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it just likes to argue. < 1275772019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you put your nick as the extra argument? < 1275772025 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But shouldn't it be ERR_NEEDMOREPARAMS_MSG instead? Most commands do that if you put the wrong number of arguments < 1275772050 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps as the first argument < 1275772056 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The same error. It sends that error if there are any arguments at all. (If there are no arguments, it lists the valid commands) < 1275772065 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if( Req->argc > 0 ) return IRC_WriteStrClient( Client, ERR_NORECIPIENT_MSG, Client_ID( Client ), Req->command ); < 1275772069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1275772118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ERR_NEEDMOREPARAMS_MSG seems like it should only be used if you use too _few_ arguments < 1275772124 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the name < 1275772168 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275772170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most commands that take an argument take the recipient as the first one, so saying that it takes no recipient makes sort of sense < 1275772172 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does sound like it, but maybe in IRC it is the same message number < 1275772173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc) < 1275772268 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define ERR_NORECIPIENT_MSG "411 %s :No recipient given (%s)" < 1275772278 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1275772289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that does sound wrong then < 1275772300 0 :alise!~ehird@91.105.71.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275772362 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways: I am adding in an additional function to the HELP command, which is that if it has exactly one argument, it will send a help topic message to the client. (With no arguments it will just list the valid commands the same way it already does) < 1275772365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [rejoins after being gone for a while, having previously had a long discussion about how to fix Xorg config] I don't suppose anyone has any more ideas, I tried everything before [etc.] [link to stupid "HOW TO ASK QUESTIONS ON IRC" guide] nazi: I was just asking the few people who'd talked about it before < 1275772375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That's not how it works What's not how what works? < 1275772384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Blah blah blah you must ask full detailed questions with output blah blah blah < 1275772389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC support sucks. < 1275772446 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want proper support, consider Red Hat :-P < 1275772451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't suppose you use any PS/2 devices? < 1275772459 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, a keyboard. < 1275772464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: HOW THE FUCK DO YOU MAKE X11 LIKE IT. < 1275772471 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic? < 1275772475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried evdev, non-evdev, every fucking thing, it only worked once and I was unable to reproduce it. < 1275772478 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't have to twiddle anything. < 1275772481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell kind of magical settings do you have? < 1275772484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so no xorg.conf. < 1275772488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I were so lucky. < 1275772497 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a xorg.conf but it doesn't have my keyboard settings. < 1275772617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a ServerLayout section? < 1275772628 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1275772644 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I have all the graphics-related stuff there. < 1275772690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have InputDevice lines in that ServerLayout section, then? < 1275772705 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm pretty sure I don't. < 1275772706 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, the Finnish word "pointti" is so cute! < 1275772721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Then... that cannot possibly work < 1275772738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1275772739 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic, like I said. :-P < 1275772740 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? \ addquote \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ helpme \ imdb \ karma \ marco \ minifind \ paste \ ping \ quote \ rec \ roll \ runfor \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ unstr \ url \ wolfram < 1275772753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto fi en pointti < 1275772756 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275772761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1275772783 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Colloquial loanword: "point" as in meaning < 1275772790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275772803 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: HAL does the stuff. < 1275772807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275772829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:poeng, probably < 1275772872 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaj said, "So I blogged (in Finnish) about people who want age limits on books. Somehow the comments section of this post managed to become a debate on climate change. Go figure." < 1275772906 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Mauno said, "Jis eivät ryhtyneet maahanmuutosta väittelemään, on se jo saavutus," and Kaj said, ":D Pointti." < 1275772944 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an extreme anglicism :-P < 1275773004 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, what does what Mauno said mean? < 1275773014 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Jis/Jos/ < 1275773033 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mistake. < 1275773042 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`swedish Jos eivät ryhtyneet maahanmuutosta väittelemään, on se jo saavutus. < 1275773044 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jus ieefät ryhtyneet meehunmooootusta fäittelemään, oon se-a ju seefootoos. \ Bork Bork Bork! < 1275773067 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If they didn't start debating immigration, that's already an achievement" < 1275773076 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. :) < 1275773146 0 :chuck!~charlie@yourwiki/staff/charlie JOIN :#esoteric < 1275773266 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any documentation what the HackEgo commands do? (Usually I just always get "No output." regardless of anything) < 1275773347 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/creatures < 1275773348 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'Look up what?' \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ QUERY=`echo -n "$1" | od -t x1 -A n -w1000 | tr " " %` \ \ lynx --cfg=/dev/null --lss=/dev/null \ \ --dump --width=1000 'http://creatures.wikia.com/wiki/'"$QUERY" | \ grep -A 100 'Jump to:' | \ tail -n +3 | \ sed 's/ */ /g' < 1275773351 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voila. :P < 1275773370 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask me and I can probably tell you. < 1275773395 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl: My question is all of them! < 1275773400 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1275773405 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1275773406 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? \ addquote \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ helpme \ imdb \ karma \ marco \ minifind \ paste \ ping \ quote \ rec \ roll \ runfor \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ unstr \ url \ wolfram < 1275773419 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a FTP session for these files? < 1275773433 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/calc < 1275773434 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what ? does, addquote adds a quote to the quotes database, calc tells Google to calculate something, commands probably does the same thing as ls bin, creatures looks something up on the Creatures Wiki... < 1275773434 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'Calculate what?' \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ QUERY=`echo -n "$1" | od -t x1 -A n -w1000 | tr " " %` \ \ lynx --cfg=/dev/null --lss=/dev/null \ \ --dump --width=1000 'http://google.com/search?q='"$QUERY" | \ grep -m 1 '=' | sed 's/ \+/ /g' < 1275773443 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`commands < 1275773445 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?, addquote, calc, commands, creatures, define, esolang, etymology, fortune, \ google, helpme, imdb, karma, marco, minifind, paste, ping, quote, rec, roll, \ runfor, sayhi, strfile, swedish, toutf8, translate, translatefromto, \ translateto, unstr, url, wolfram < 1275773451 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? < 1275773452 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like big butts and I cannot lie. You other brothers can not deny that when a girl comes in with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face, you get sprung. < 1275773453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: note that HackEgo has been buggy for many days until today < 1275773465 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1275773467 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ cd `dirname "$0"` \ cat ../help.txt < 1275773475 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define looks up the definition of something somewhere, esolang looks something up on Esolang, etymology looks something up in the Online Etymology Dictionary, fortune... probably gives you a fortune cookie or something... < 1275773479 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fortune < 1275773481 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save gas, don't eat beans. < 1275773521 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google does a Google search, helpme presumably does just that, imdb looks something up on IMDB, karma doesn't do much, I'm betting marco causes it to say "Polo", I don't know what minifind does, I think paste links to a pastebin... < 1275773526 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste < 1275773527 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1595 < 1275773540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`calc 2+2 < 1275773542 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275773552 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently `calc doesn't actually work. < 1275773553 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1275773555 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? \ addquote \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ google \ helpme \ imdb \ karma \ marco \ minifind \ paste \ ping \ quote \ rec \ roll \ runfor \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ unstr \ url \ wolfram < 1275773558 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1275773559 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1275773563 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is why it is broken < 1275773564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the google lookup commands are probably all broken now :( < 1275773591 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: um what? < 1275773594 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I just entered the command wrong < 1275773596 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping does that, quote gives you a random quote from the quotes file, I don't know what rec does, roll maybe rolls a die, I don't know what runfor does, sayhi is probably like marco and ping, I don't know what strfile does... < 1275773617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`google test < 1275773618 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275773637 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish translates something into mock Swedish, toutf8 translates some character encoding to UTF-8, translate and its brethren do nothing, I don't know what unstr does, I don't know what url does, wolfram looks something up on Wolfram Alpha. < 1275773642 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d6 < 1275773644 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1275773652 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/roll < 1275773654 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ rolls="$*" \ if [ "$rolls" = "" ] ; then rolls="1d6" ; fi \ \ for i in $rolls \ do \ if expr "$i" : ".*[dD].*" >& /dev/null \ then \ rollc=`echo "$i" | sed 's/[dD].*//'` \ diesz=`echo "$i" | sed 's/.*[dD]//'` \ else \ rollc=1 \ diesz="$i" \ fi \ \ roll=0 < 1275773658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: calc, google and translate* used to work via google lookup < 1275773666 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1000d6 < 1275773668 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3556 < 1275773669 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d6+2 < 1275773670 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1275773673 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1000000d6 < 1275773674 0 :ws!wswieb@akson.sgh.waw.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1275773687 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d6*2 < 1275773688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but presumably it broke in one of google's redesigns < 1275773688 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 < 1275773692 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d6-2 < 1275773693 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1275773711 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, 1d6*2 rolled an odd number. < 1275773737 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, dunno what it did there :-P < 1275773743 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1000d6 < 1275773745 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3484 < 1275773746 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1000d6 < 1275773748 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3536 < 1275773753 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1000d6-2 < 1275773755 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2455 < 1275773757 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3497977 < 1275773761 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rolling a (6-2)-sided die. < 1275773769 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it finally finished rolling 1000000d6. :P < 1275773771 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah < 1275773777 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll (1d6)+2 < 1275773778 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1275773781 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1275773785 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. :P < 1275773795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/roll < 1275773797 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ rolls="$*" \ if [ "$rolls" = "" ] ; then rolls="1d6" ; fi \ \ for i in $rolls \ do \ if expr "$i" : ".*[dD].*" >& /dev/null \ then \ rollc=`echo "$i" | sed 's/[dD].*//'` \ diesz=`echo "$i" | sed 's/.*[dD]//'` \ else \ rollc=1 \ diesz="$i" \ fi \ \ roll=0 < 1275773809 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great that it supports +-* but not in any useful way :-P < 1275773925 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.113.249.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275774313 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-205-116.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275774481 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275774594 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275774990 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275775576 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1275776166 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275776175 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275776305 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275776330 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-164.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275776812 0 :alise!~ehird@91.105.71.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275776817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's working now. < 1275776824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOH < 1275776828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether to use XFCE, or to roll his own with pekwm + some panel
< 1275776831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REQUIRE OPINIONS < 1275776854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE XFCE IT HAS MORE CAPS < 1275776886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually Xfce < 1275776896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. boring. < 1275776965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xfce works fine but it's a bit... bloated and boring < 1275776990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he should point out he has no clue, in case that weren't obvious
< 1275777002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting for someone else to talk :-) < 1275777013 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1275777119 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's your opinion? < 1275777172 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd give you an opinion, but I'm usually devoid of opinions < 1275777195 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, here's one: freeallegiance.org is a good game, even though it's Windows-only and has DRM-esque stuff < 1275777343 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275777350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot decide! < 1275777365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d2 < 1275777367 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1275777374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't tell me what they represented! < 1275777379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1275777382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = roll my own < 1275777384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 = use xfce < 1275777386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d2 < 1275777387 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1275777389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO! < 1275777392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d2 < 1275777394 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1275777395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay! < 1275777405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a surprisigly good way to figure out what you want to do < 1275777413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roll your own, cursed by fate < 1275777417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when you've already made your decision < 1275777420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roll a die for it; if you get a result and think "No!", you want the opposite < 1275777428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but sometimes I can't analyse myself to figure out which decision I really want < 1275777436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I rely on the instinctive bad reaction to the choice I don't want to figure it out < 1275777441 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just roll a hypothetical die instead? < 1275777452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, for some reason that doesn't work because i know what i'm trying to do or something < 1275777462 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = LambdaMOO 2=M*U*S*H < 1275777465 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d2 < 1275777466 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1275777470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 50d50 < 1275777471 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1431 < 1275777472 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I like coding LambdaMOO < 1275777474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't oklopol say something about this dice-rolling trick < 1275777475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d1 < 1275777476 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1275777477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d1 < 1275777477 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d2 < 1275777479 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1275777481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 2d1 < 1275777483 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1275777483 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1275777484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 2d1 < 1275777486 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1275777487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1275777493 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1275777498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1000d2 < 1275777499 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1500 < 1275777499 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is slow < 1275777500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1000d2 < 1275777502 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1513 < 1275777505 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d0 < 1275777506 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275777516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION purges xfce.
< 1275777516 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 0d1 < 1275777517 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1275777518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :purges I say! < 1275777519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahahaha < 1275777530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd ask Deewiant for yet another one of his perfect opinions but he uses openbox or something < 1275777534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i cannot forgive < 1275777539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d-1 < 1275777540 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1275777541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d-1 < 1275777542 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1275777544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d-2 < 1275777545 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1275777546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d-2 < 1275777547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1275777547 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1275777550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 1d3 1d3 < 1275777552 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 3 < 1275777555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo probably doesn't use the cheat for large number of rolls that lambdabot uses < 1275777572 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I like that my opinions are perfect but unforgivable < 1275777573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 8d2 1d256 < 1275777574 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 65 < 1275777575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(approximate with normal distribution) < 1275777575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what cheat? < 1275777583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well your opinion on this matter (desktops) definitely is < 1275777591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 8d2 1d256 < 1275777593 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 105 < 1275777594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 8d2 1d256 < 1275777596 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 226 < 1275777597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (approximate with normal distribution) < 1275777599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it adds < 1275777607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 50d2 1d100 < 1275777608 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :73 59 < 1275777612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 50d2 1d100 < 1275777613 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :78 70 < 1275777614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 50d2 1d100 < 1275777616 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 48 < 1275777617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 50d2 1d100 < 1275777618 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :82 10 < 1275777621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`roll 50d2 1d100 < 1275777622 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :73 21 < 1275777624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275777626 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :144| it can be a good fursuit, but the good thing is that nobody can complain a fox doesn't have the right skin tone < 1275777629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275777631 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275777632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1275777637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh - oh < 1275777639 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1275777640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor!! < 1275777645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke it again < 1275777653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in pursuit of a fursuit < 1275777665 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forsooth < 1275777667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fusuit of a fursuit: futile pursuit of a fursuit < 1275777693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys < 1275777694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is fusuit < 1275777697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :window managers eh < 1275777700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: futile pursuit, duh! < 1275777705 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1275777707 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Openbox eh < 1275777717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM ASKING GUYS (WHICH IS YOU IF YOU IS NOT DEEWIANT) WHICH IS GOOD WINDOW MANAGER < 1275777734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO NOT PIKHQ, HE'LL SUGGEST RAT POISON WHICH IS _BARBARIC_ < 1275777746 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barbaric? < 1275777752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILLING RATS! < 1275777769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'D USE http://www.jfc.org.uk/software/lwm.html, BUT LAST TIME I USED IT I REALISED I WASN'T HARDCORE ENOUGH TO USE IT < 1275777775 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275777775 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like opening boxes? < 1275777791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES, OPENING BOXES IS BASICALLY TANTAMOUNT TO GENOCIDE < 1275777802 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-11-164.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1275777808 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, kwm < 1275777816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel window manager? < 1275777821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What haven't they got in the kernel these days, eh?! < 1275777830 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE? < 1275777831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of kwm < 1275777840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's kwin < 1275777842 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION meant whatever KDE uses
< 1275777853 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Googling KWM gives KDE-related results < 1275777861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kde has the disadvantage that kde sucks < 1275777867 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mentions xmonad just to find out why alise hates it
< 1275777878 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of people like me that assume that it should be kwm? < 1275777878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the recompile-to-configure thing is stupid < 1275777888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the actual haskell configuration part is stupid, it's not written very well < 1275777891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't like tiling managers < 1275777893 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.debian.org/WindowManager calls it "KWin / Kwm" < 1275777897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's basically like a bloated, haskell version of dwm < 1275777982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff///////// < 1275778049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://karmen.sourceforge.net/karmen-0.13-640x480.png reminds me os Mac OS < 1275778054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa -- that guy uses ed < 1275778055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's impressive < 1275778074 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just for the screenshot ;-) < 1275778085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, people like that tend to use ed < 1275778092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uber-minimalist plan 9 folks < 1275778103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite commendable in its insanity really < 1275778105 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People actually /use/ it? < 1275778115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1275778131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ken thompson &co obviously used it for a long time, i think ken is using sam now though which is basically ed with a view of the file < 1275778135 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I can understand using it on a terminal connected to something via a 300 baud modem, but sheesh < 1275778148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and several other folk used it < 1275778163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: well ... it's not actually all that bad < 1275778183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's very similar to ex, which is just the : vi commands... < 1275778192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you're good at using its commands to /view/ stuff you're set < 1275778208 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think that "view of the file" is fairly crucial < 1275778231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well. We will never truly understand the enlightenment attained by those who code in merely ed. < 1275778237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used TECO before; that was fun. < 1275778243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually not so bad once you figure it out. < 1275778379 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275778385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Armed with these certainties, therefore, I embarked upon a spiritualist quest to write the perfect window manager. It has a lot of faults - more faults than features, probably - but goddammit the faults are perfect too. < 1275778389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1275778394 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.9/20100315083431] < 1275778397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Addendum: This page, and wm2 itself, were written in 1996. Other window managers are better now than they were then, and I'm older and less zealous." < 1275778414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/too\.\n"/too."/ < 1275778417 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1275778442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the author of Rosegarden, it seems. < 1275778532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What's that awesome pacman replacement that uses aria2 so everything goes so fast you're left feeling a little sad that there wasn't more fun to be had? < 1275778543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why do I turn every description into a sort of existentialist nightmare? < 1275778550 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :powerpill < 1275778551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when I misuse the term "existentialist"? < 1275778554 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use clyde nowadays, though < 1275778559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does clyde to < 1275778559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do < 1275778564 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't have magic downloading but was otherwise nicer < 1275778564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what is it with Archers and wrapping pacman < 1275778573 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't wrap pacman, for a change < 1275778574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, well, some of us only have 8 megabit connections. < 1275778579 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just uses pacman's library < 1275778600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a LIBRARY and people still wrap it? < 1275778601 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its main advantage is search speed, IIRC < 1275778601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1275778602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1275778607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1275779450 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275779468 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1275779469 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1275779599 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275780106 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1275780170 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275780438 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1275780449 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1275780547 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1275780652 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone else use different window-manager and package-manager, but I have to write my own window manager, and also write the Arcane Linux Package Manager, or "pm" for short ("pm" being the command you must type in to activate it). And "pm" has to take package data from standard input and then install it if -I is given, and so on. (If no arguments are given, it must accept package data from stdin and then do nothing with it.) < 1275780667 0 :alise!~ehird@91.105.71.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1275780670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh; most PekWM themes suck. < 1275781268 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1275781280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NEED LIFE ADVICE. < 1275781469 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION may be the wrong person to ask
< 1275781480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S ACTUALLY WINDOW MANAGER ADVICE. < 1275781638 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which window managers are best, or about the function of some window managers < 1275781662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically all I want is something with a titlebar and minimise/maximise/close buttons :-) < 1275781688 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fvwm95? < 1275781746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fvwm is a bit arcane and complex; and the -95 portion just makes your computer look like Windows 95, so, uh, yeah. < 1275781763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pekwm is quite good, xfwm4 is quite good (but it's a bit too tied to xfce), ... < 1275781854 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1275781866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pekwm has some oddities though. the menu, for instance; i dislike menu-controlled WMs. < 1275781875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone just made an updated icewm that'd be great. < 1275782080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling that if Deewiant didn't have a terrible opinion on this matter he'd have a great opinion :D < 1275782185 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: lmfao < 1275782194 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you come up with the greatest little aphorisms < 1275782205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I the only one who pronounces lmfao as limmfaaao? < 1275782214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "lympho", were that a word. < 1275782223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it is! Excellent. < 1275782230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a prefix, at least. < 1275782231 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lymphomaniac: a person who craves lymph nodes < 1275782251 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or who secrets sebaceous fluid < 1275782252 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one or the other < 1275782262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both < 1275782264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1275782299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, mmaker thinks that the pacman package manager should be filed under Games -> Arcade < 1275782302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1275782334 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is mmaker? < 1275782373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an (arch linux specific?) utility that generates a menu file for various window managers/task bars (for the "start"-imitation menu) based on installed packages < 1275782384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacman is the arch linux package manager, but mmaker deduces that it must be the arcade game instead :-)