< 1276387241 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, 850 results < 1276387262 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any APIs for programmatically searching through the web archive? < 1276387319 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With Avatar now in Post Production," < 1276387322 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BULLSHIT < 1276387328 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Not the Cameron Avatar] < 1276387334 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Nor the Airbending one] < 1276387545 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1276387924 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... actually. < 1276387931 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gen_fsm might make for a good object proces < 1276387936 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUD object, that is < 1276388717 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1276388825 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276389372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: so basically everything in the mud is an asynchronous message-passing finite state machine? < 1276389384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including inert pieces of information? Sounds to me like you've implemented STUFF. < 1276389657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no no, basically everything in the mud is touched by his noodly appendages! < 1276389678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexy. < 1276391085 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1276391092 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276391489 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1276391576 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No I'm not really implementing STUFF... that's just how Erlang works in the first place. < 1276391605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but in MOOs /everything/ would be one of those processes, in Erlang you have other-stuff too. < 1276391614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saying... even your data is STUFF. < 1276391641 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I guess? < 1276391654 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all rather arbitrary. < 1276391682 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wouldn't really say it's unified. Not everything is going to be gen_fsm < 1276391715 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically the MUD data. < 1276391722 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be finite state machines. < 1276391727 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1276391736 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oddessey.org/ < 1276391759 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lie, or really long wait and suspiciously unupdated copyright notice? < 1276391828 0 :selckiku!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276392015 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1276392023 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang's documentation is really confusing. < 1276392152 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "The Project LLC" < 1276392153 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1276392203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does everything associated in any way with Blaxxun appear to be lietastic? < 1276392221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddessey, Cytonia's Avatar, The CVN claiming that Blaxxun was A-OK < 1276392305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I don't rememeber if Hawk ever stated that Cybertown would never be a mandatory-subscription service, but if he did, that was a lie < 1276392333 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing a proposal for optional subscription < 1276392493 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, this person is IVN's representative in Cybertown < 1276392498 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost want to leave hatemail < 1276392645 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1276392646 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another IVN lie: Silhouette. Some thing that would allow video broadcast into Cybertown's 3d world. < 1276393579 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-205-116.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276393606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, I'm looking at Oleg's site again. < 1276393614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may soon feel inferior. < 1276393622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't feel inferior from the first page? < 1276393627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your ego is too big! < 1276393642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first page is a mere index. < 1276393652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite enough to cue a full inferiority complex. < 1276393657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, half then. < 1276393661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second page should seal it. < 1276393667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click any one of those links, though, and it's sealed. < 1276393724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the email link. < 1276393735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, even that. Somehow. :P < 1276393752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realise that whatever you typed it'd seem amateurish. < 1276393785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVEN http://okmij.org/ftp/Venus.html < 1276393812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there actually is no email link < 1276393832 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-122-149.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276393957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION never thought he'd laugh at a picture of Angela Merkel http://i.imgur.com/GsC20.png
< 1276393977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well technically several pictures) < 1276393983 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1276394001 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet I could construct appup files for Erlang using information from version control. < 1276394036 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, in simple cases, you're just specifying which modules to reload, add, and remove. < 1276394243 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1276395197 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tends to feel inferior to everyone here
< 1276396725 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1276397002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just reading oleg randomly < 1276397006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a random walk in awesome < 1276397012 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: por que? < 1276397046 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably just means you're not as full of yourself as some of us. < 1276397150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are certainly some pretty awesome people in here < 1276397169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all of us win £25,000 prizes for proving an unsolved problem in CS (even if it's one only wolfram cares about) < 1276397366 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1276397548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that succeeds, and if you can afford to consume perhaps several days of < 1276397548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu time and over a hundred megabytes of disk space, try < 1276397548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : make giant-test < 1276397734 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a pretty giant test. < 1276398184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OVER A HUNDRED MEGABYTES OF DISK SPACE!! < 1276398192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN 1992! < 1276398195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1276398253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (compile-nqthm) ; takes a few minutes on a contemporary workstation < 1276398253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; compilation finished in 0:00:00.215 < 1276398306 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1276398334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... howso < 1276398352 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obsessing about how much faster it is gets old < 1276398409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not obsessing < 1276398410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just amused < 1276398436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few minutes on a good workstation to less than a third of a second on a low-end machine is pretty good for 18 years < 1276398446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: well he has to use up the time he saved, somehow... < 1276398490 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, linky? < 1276398522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.cs.utexas.edu/pub/boyer/nqthm/index.html < 1276398533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the boyer-moore prover that automatically proved e.g. goedel's incompleteness theorem < 1276398550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess not totally automatically < 1276398572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was proved without computer? < 1276398678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1276398690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean it can't be proved again < 1276398810 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1276398881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A quite long-winded proof that a*b = b*a: < 1276398882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1002224.txt?key=vht0kabp2wpqpkjyzcwspg < 1276399208 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-205-116.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276399405 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, do you ever feel nostalgic? < 1276399436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs some advice
< 1276399459 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1276399460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What advice? < 1276399469 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you want advice from alise? < 1276399481 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember feeling nostalgic once. good times. < 1276399500 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you know, I'm working on a remake of a game. I'm worried that certain differences might be like giving the nostaligic persons the middle finger < 1276399529 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, for me, the most nostalgic-inducing place is the Altar, which has music that's similar, but not the same, as the original < 1276399533 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thigns like that < 1276399540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that that game had magic, this one doesn't < 1276399550 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things will be in different locations, etc. < 1276399561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my advice is that you have serious issues with nostalgia < 1276399564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that it doesn't matter at all < 1276399565 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really make a judgement, because I've spend a portion of time in this new place < 1276399575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're probably the only person who would take disruption of nostalgia as a middle finger < 1276399627 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I guess when the alpha opens to the public, we'll find out < 1276399682 0 :augur!~augur@pool-173-73-122-149.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276399741 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the very least, this portion of the game seems to satisfy my nostalgic cravings, despite the music and appearance being different < 1276399747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ground's the same snow white < 1276399800 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276400255 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1276400332 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1276400382 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1276400428 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276400770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why doesn't oleg suck at even one thing? < 1276400931 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Oleg's website? < 1276400935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://okmij.org/ftp/ < 1276400946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note how the site contains FUCKING EVERYTHING. < 1276401037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's everything from xml libraries in scheme to stuff about theorem proving to mathematics to type system hackery to c++ stuff to unix pipes to fixed-point combinators to using sendmail as a turing machine to ... < 1276401042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... operating systems to ... < 1276401336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what Scheme Oleg uses. < 1276401368 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@static-74-42-92-235.dr02.elko.nv.frontiernet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276402570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4:15; ho hum. < 1276402572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep soon, presumably. < 1276402719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yawns
< 1276403057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have thought Sgeo would be with the pitchforks to get me to sleep. < 1276403168 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was AFK < 1276403181 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I kind of didn't go to sleep last night >.> < 1276403186 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to go to sleep early tonight < 1276403188 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already ate < 1276403207 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, go to sleep! Don't turn into me! Although you're kind of worse than I am < 1276403222 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your computer in your room? Move it elsewhere? < 1276403228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! I like it in my room :| < 1276403231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And meh, it's only 4:26. < 1276403236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get up late tomorrow, right? < 1276403301 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: Either set an earlier time for yourself to go to sleep, or move the computer out of your room < 1276403325 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do you really get done when you know you should be sleeping? < 1276403357 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving wakeful time earlier, to when you should be awake, gives you time where you'll allow yourself to do stuff that takes time < 1276403392 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was kind of dizzying today when I was up at 6AM and had the whole day ahead of me < 1276403501 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a rule for myself for today: No coding after dinner < 1276403650 0 :gm|lap!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1276403715 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1276403770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (words (read-line)) < 1276403770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the lamp. < 1276403770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'("take" "lamp") < 1276403771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1276403784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes them symbols for easier comparison
< 1276403810 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1276403857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (words "Take the lamp.") < 1276403858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'(Take lamp) < 1276403862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Take will compare equal with take) < 1276403890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, or not < 1276403943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (words "Take the lamp.") < 1276403943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'(take lamp) < 1276403944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1276404133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: gimme some junk words to disregard in an adventure game's commands apart from "the" < 1276404164 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1276404170 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1276404178 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could pay attention to those, I guess < 1276404188 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that would be an .. interesting thing to force on the user < 1276404212 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess "There is a blue lamp here. There is a gold lamp far away" "> take this lamp" < 1276404220 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not forcing, and yet still useful < 1276404237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I have "A and B" split into A \n B? < 1276404238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not < 1276404242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know what A might do < 1276404435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> (words "Kill that rabbit") < 1276404436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'(kill rabbit) < 1276404436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1> (words "Take rabbit's lamp") < 1276404436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'(take rabbit s lamp) < 1276404495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eviscerate lagomorph < 1276404644 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to take a nap. It's almost midnight
< 1276404653 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I am leaving. You are about to explode. < 1276404653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 4:50 < 1276404656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god it is daylight < 1276404659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1276404674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE DOOMED. DOOMED. *MWAHAHAHA* < 1276404690 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, move computer out of room < 1276404699 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have to do that, I'm trying to avoid needing to do that < 1276404756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to where? < 1276404760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, i value my privacy. also my computer < 1276404954 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So to avoid needing to do that, force yourself to go to sleep sooner < 1276404958 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to sleep soon < 1276404970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1002281.txt?key=f74rclssjuwkkqytvfkx6g Some hypothetical adventure code. Really, it should have a notion of objects in a room... < 1276405133 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is tired
< 1276405147 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes he didn't give himself cancer by not sleeping last night
< 1276405156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gave yourself cancer. < 1276405266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well friends, soon would be a good time to bed < 1276405286 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night alise < 1276405305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night alise < 1276405311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not right now! < 1276405312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just soon < 1276405312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1276405334 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1276405340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT NOW < 1276405345 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1276405392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: like that would stop me < 1276405410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1276405632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well good night < 1276405643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1276405988 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1276407686 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1276407842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear God, Rock Band 3 is crazy. < 1276407853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They're shipping actual instruments for that game. < 1276407858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Actual musical instruments*. < 1276407884 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How musical < 1276407907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, they're all MIDI instruments (literally; they have MIDI ports), but still. < 1276407944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next up: an FPS shipped with actual weapons < 1276407945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How musical < 1276408012 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION afks again
< 1276408285 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1276408660 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1276408808 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guitar controller is either a 102 button monstrosity... Or a guitar that *happens* to have sensors in the fretboard and MIDI and USB out. < 1276409167 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there is a 2 octave keyboard coming with it < 1276409189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an adapter to let you use a real keyboard... < 1276409197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or any arbitrary MIDI device, really) < 1276409219 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in other words, it's sufficiently musical that the ninnies who play that game will cry. < 1276409231 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a two-octave keyboard is a joke. < 1276409258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just "pro mode". The other modes (which you may now call "noob modes", IMO) are as previously. < 1276409297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The keyboard is a joke, yeah. But the guitar thing... Is an *actual freaking guitar*. And played as such. < 1276409313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fake-instrument type game that I can actually kinda respect. < 1276409454 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1276409476 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276409813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276411016 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276412352 0 :rus_bear!~danil@pool-94.24.204-92.is74.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1276412369 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings, strangers! < 1276412434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetings be unto ye. < 1276412666 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you talk about esoteric here? And what is that, what do you think? < 1276412694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nominally, we discuss esoteric programming languages. < 1276412708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In practice, we discuss just about everything but esotericism. < 1276412791 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what languages are esoteric? It's AMAZING *_* < 1276412806 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Crystal healing, astrology, oracles, divine and occult knowledge, esoteric programming languages, ethereal and astral projection, government conspiracies to deny common paranormal events | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1276412823 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Pascal, C++ and Basic, Are they esoteric? < 1276412825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Gregor -----###
< 1276412830 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1276412831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck, Whitespace, Befunge, INTERCAL... < 1276412833 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=) < 1276412839 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! < 1276412853 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are they esoteric? < 1276412912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The primary criteria seems to be being decidedly *odd* and not practical. < 1276412978 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need them, if they're not practical? < 1276412987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Need? < 1276412995 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep... < 1276413006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric programming languages are *amusing*. < 1276413020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.>>>++++++++[<++++>-]<.>>>++++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<---.<<<<.+++.------.--------.>>+. < 1276413020 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1276413028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is not to be needed, but rather to be *interesting*. < 1276413030 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i get it=) < 1276413034 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1276413048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably, portions of C++ also fit this criteria. < 1276413066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: Boost) < 1276413088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(namely, the source code of Boost; the API presented by Boost isn't quite so esoteric. But there be magic within.) < 1276413102 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think c++ is practical language, cuz a lot of people use it to write serious apps < 1276413118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In spite of the language, sure. < 1276413164 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ is a powerful language, I want to learn Python now... < 1276413174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is an unimplemented language. < 1276413186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whispers: haskell haskell haskell
< 1276413193 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why& < 1276413194 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1276413242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ has so *much* in the language that it's damned near impossible to even write a *parser* for it, much less a full implementation. < 1276413308 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you make apps with c++? < 1276413328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same way one does in any other language; one simply writes code. < 1276413335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there was this proof you couldn't parse perl at compile-time, is there something similar for C++? < 1276413366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've not seen such a proof, but this *is* true of C++. < 1276413384 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1276413433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As determining the actual parse of a possible-declaration depends upon determining if something is a type, and to do that you need to solve the halting problem. < 1276413467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or actually execute the compile-time lambda calculus. I mean, type system. < 1276413473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1276413588 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we discussing perl? < 1276413598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primarily C++. < 1276413602 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1276413617 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at logs
< 1276413621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl has parse-time Perl, not compile-time lambda calculus. :) < 1276413672 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1276413719 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, C++ is unparseable in the sense that Perl is < 1276413735 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for a different reason < 1276413750 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except slightly less so, as there *is* a greater distinction between the compile-time and run-time semantics in C++ than Perl. < 1276413760 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1276413790 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. My GC is faster than Boehm on binary-trees but slower on gcbench. < 1276413793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the compile-time semantics of C++ have absolutely no side effects, so at least one can perform the parsing *statically*) < 1276413855 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If C++ templates had side effects, it'd be nearly impossible to compile. < 1276413877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. This sounds like a good idea. Anyone got an in with the standards committee? :P < 1276413887 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do! < 1276413895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1276413916 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually, compiling templates do have one side effect, which is that the template is then compiled < 1276413934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. I'm not really considering that much of a side effect, though. < 1276413947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking more along the lines of having full IO capabilities. < 1276413951 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1276413955 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're an evil evil man < 1276413995 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think dgregor would fail me in GSOC if I suggested that < 1276414114 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1276414125 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1276414129 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1276414160 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... ethereal projection, was that in a splatbook? < 1276414189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly. < 1276414220 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1276414231 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, good enough for me! < 1276414231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a splatbook < 1276414279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION performs a google divination
< 1276414290 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/splatbook < 1276414303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A "splatbook" is a expansion book for an RPG, particularly D&D, particularly a poorly thought-out one. < 1276414321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's the same page i'm currently looking at. you're psychic! < 1276414361 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the term has evolved to mean what pikhq said < 1276414397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D&D 3.5 has some *really* stupid expansions out there. < 1276414432 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1276414448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Creating ways to achieve nigh-infinite stats from level 3... < 1276414473 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they've got it down to 2 < 1276414479 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that's just the omniscient one < 1276414489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down to 1 if you count "Pazuzu Pazuzu Pazuzu". < 1276414505 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't heard that one < 1276414507 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles
< 1276414529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summon Pazuzu, wish for a candle of wish, IIRC. < 1276414550 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, an infinite wish thing? < 1276414582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. < 1276414802 0 :rus_bear!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1276414813 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolunrealfail < 1276414836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiannafail < 1276414875 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolo < 1276414881 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lollolfail < 1276414996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276415999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1276416000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1276416098 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276416112 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276416350 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1276417216 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276418542 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1276421232 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1276421404 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276421599 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1276421617 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276421712 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276421723 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276424297 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1276424610 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1276425848 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276426492 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1276426903 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276426941 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1276427185 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1276427891 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276428638 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1276429983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Erlang's documentation is really confusing. <--- is it? < 1276430001 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I bet I could construct appup files for Erlang using information from version control. <-- cool idea < 1276430550 0 :relet!~hirtho@port-92-206-232-132.dynamic.qsc.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1276430566 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-83.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276431115 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1276431315 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1276431456 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1276434767 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1276435502 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: omghaahhahaohwow < 1276435549 0 :chickenzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1276435629 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1276436463 0 :relet!~hirtho@port-92-206-232-132.dynamic.qsc.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1276436692 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-200.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1276436796 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1276436796 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1276437613 0 :hiato!~nine@dsl-245-57-76.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1276438105 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.125.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1276438878 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1276440273 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-1088893966.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1276440308 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, strange file: /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh.dpkg-obsolete < 1276440557 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@217-208-159-73-no147.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276440561 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1276440562 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1276440659 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.3/20100401080539] < 1276442471 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@jol13-1-82-66-176-74.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276442673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;l < 1276444927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. [[Doctor Fun]] is been proposed for deletion < 1276446043 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1276446737 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276448370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d. < 1276449446 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Submitting a YouTube video to Reddit doesn't imply that I made it, does it? < 1276450163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...No? < 1276452671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Crystal healing, astrology, oracles, divine and occult knowledge, esoteric programming languages, ethereal and astral projection, government conspiracies to deny common paranormal events | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1276452673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Windows_Chicago_%28build_73%29_boot_screen.gif < 1276452682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft CHICA Lens Flare GO < 1276452695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/Winchicagodesktop.png < 1276452704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/Windowschicago73.png < 1276452791 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1276452813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1276452826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day alise < 1276452832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b'day < 1276452859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's your birthday? < 1276452947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1276452956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the 22nd of august < 1276452967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1276452996 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- 28th of june < 1276453011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok; i will promptly forget that < 1276453024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very perfect date *cackles evilly* < 1276453578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stop cackling. < 1276453583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have cackled a sufficient amount. < 1276453614 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stopped several minutes ago. ok to be honest i never really started. < 1276454140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Firefox on Amiga: Timberwolf Goes Alpha" < 1276454144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1276454147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amigaos 4 < 1276454147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1276454328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he can chart things with Wolfram Alpha
< 1276454453 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I'll just try a spreadsheet < 1276454521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chart what exactly < 1276454589 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1276454590 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up < 1276454606 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can chart things with alpha, but it's quite crap < 1276455127 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1276455944 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1276456022 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1276456051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi coppro < 1276456119 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1276456262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is on his every-so-often Install Windows in a VM and then Strip It Down Until It Screams in Pain, then Cackle
< 1276456264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM APPLYING NIHILISM TO THE PROBLEM OF WHAT COMPONENTS TO INCLUDE IN AN OPERATING SYSTEM < 1276456272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DELETE DELETE DELETE < 1276456415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders whether his instinct that firewalls should BURN should be now carried out in this mission
< 1276456447 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you have an instinct that firewalls should burn? < 1276456456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because EVERYTHING MUST BE DELETED < 1276456467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but mostly because I'm pretty sure that: < 1276456482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- software firewalls are useless for blocking outgoing connectns by malicious software, obviously - and if you have such software you're fucked anyway, and < 1276456504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- if you don't have any ports on which vulernable software is running, and you aren't trying to block external access to something (which could be done in better ways), you don't need to block incoming connections < 1276456510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO, I HAVE ONLY ONE MEGABYTE OF RAM. < 1276456512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DELETE DELETE DELETE < 1276456584 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you block outgoing connections? < 1276456591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm talking about windows here < 1276456599 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you just mean user-mode can't do it? < 1276456608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because disabling some random software in windows is about as easy for a virus as... anything < 1276456615 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1276456637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, if you have software that's trying to take over the world through your internet connection, your virus scanner is sort of broken. < 1276456676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually interesting how windows becomes not-totally-abhorrent if you basically remove 90% of it < 1276456705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time i did this i just went nuclear with nlite and removed pretty much everything; the installed windows was something like 200-400 megs of disk and ran extremely quickly and non-crashy < 1276456852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :language idea: typed graphs < 1276456860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is a graph. Types are basically rules defining what connections are valid. < 1276456952 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1276456990 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-192-87.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276456991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I read on reddit right before switching back and seeing that: < 1276456992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I apologize. It's just that, when someone says "Interesting" as a one-word sentence, it's usually sarcastic.]] < 1276457018 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1276457024 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with me it's not) < 1276457095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION deletes all links in the Games menu apart from FreeCell, Minesweeper and Solitaire
< 1276457384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the language idea was inspired bya previous comment on that thread :P < 1276457403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying that basically every data structure is just an efficient representation of a certain subset of graphs defined by some constraints < 1276457418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*remove basically < 1276457579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads tweakui
< 1276457621 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1276457661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1276457692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi alise < 1276457720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I only realised recently that the name "alise" was the one picked by the random number generator for my last-but-one Neverwinter Nights character < 1276457744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1276457785 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1276457817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.activewin.com/articles/general/article_29.html <-- opera unveils version 3.5 of opera! < 1276457819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: huh huh? < 1276457841 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which RNG? < 1276457898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, Neverwinter Nights has one included. < 1276457926 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall it does. < 1276457978 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For nostalgymatic reasons I've always used the rinkworks.com namegen, I believe it was the first one I saw. < 1276457987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL UNINSTALL EVERY SINGLE COMPONENT THAT WINDOWS CONTAINS < 1276458205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, opera, i am sure you can display a proper menu, not a ghastly opera logo. < 1276458210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on. you used to be good < 1276458246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1276458304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*random name generator < 1276458321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it works quite well, although it's a bit repetitive for gnomes and not nearly silly enough < 1276458331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION holds to the point of view that gnome names should be hideously embarassing to say
< 1276458464 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.rinkworks.com/namegen/ has a bit more settings. < 1276458485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, you don't really need an ideal name < 1276458488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a unique one < 1276458492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mushy Insults" at least sound embarrassing enough. < 1276458552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1276458593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the Pokemon name generator is very realistic. "Oh, my Faceyzard has evolved to Lumpechu." (Disclaimer: I know nothing about poke-men except what I've acquired through cultural osmosis.)) < 1276458610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: whereas I participated in the UK nationals < 1276458623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost in the second round, due to playing someone good and making a hilariously bad prediction < 1276458630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was sixth on the online pracice server for a while < 1276458641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, those names sound decent for facetious Pokémon names < 1276458651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumbirtle. < 1276458664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some of them sound a bit stupid.) < 1276458671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just mixing insults with the second half of real Pokémon names < 1276458742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emuntangangeld < 1276458748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hinessghaugha < 1276458751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Achustkalbanlor < 1276458754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unttanmosvesy < 1276458769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All perfectly cromulent names. < 1276458831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Names With Apostrophes". The world does not need this option. < 1276459087 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it does. < 1276459103 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a decent Thri-kreen name unless it has at least two apostrophes. < 1276459199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: [2010-06-13 02:31:21] Tweeted: About NetHack: it was locked. he took the tub, and resurrection. "need we wait until morning then?" asked conan, eyeing his companion... (fungot) < 1276459200 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you lay golden eggs?! < 1276459210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Not that I know of, no. < 1276459211 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh no, there can't be comments in pointy? ( 200 0))) a) 1) < 1276459234 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1276459239 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conan's companion < 1276459254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was tempted to add "suggestively" before the ... there. < 1276460100 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any pictures from your trip btw? < 1276460120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1276460120 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1276460222 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the one through Europe I meant. Haven't yet seen any pretty photos from it < 1276460296 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://zem.fi/g2/v/Travel/2010/Interrail/ but there's nothing especially highlight-worthy, and the panoramas are very "autopano-sift + optimize once" messy, since I had approximately no time at all to get the pictures ready before we had to present them to wife's family, and I probably can't motivate myself to fix them now. < 1276460311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1276460311 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. there's only one cat. < 1276460336 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also no comments in the photos. < 1276460342 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where are the panos? Or are those thumnails cropped? < 1276460352 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or is there more than one page?) < 1276460358 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All thumbnails are cropped to squares, and panoramas are mixed everywhere. < 1276460362 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1276460365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all those are subfolders. < 1276460372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's around 700-800 photos in there. < 1276460382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, those are subdirs < 1276460393 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, augh, no easy way to find the panos :/ < 1276460408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can provide a list if you want. < 1276460417 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thanks, if it isn't too much trouble for you < 1276460428 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The file names are distinctive.) < 1276460451 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any way to view more than the default number of images on a single page? < 1276460465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: Why do user interfaces require a hover time before displaying a submenu? It's annoyingly slow, and seemst o have no benefit. < 1276460484 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which user interfaces? < 1276460490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seems to < 1276460495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: all WIMP ones < 1276460504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting with maybe late mac os or windows 3.1/95 < 1276460525 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I don't think so, no. There's also no full-screen slideshow thing. < 1276460529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well okay, I guess xcircuit isn't. It was the one I checked since I happened to have that open < 1276460551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: http://pastebin.com/HqeAUf5h has the filenames, just open any random picture and substitute the obvious parts in the URL, it should work. < 1276460588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes open random image, then make a short one liner that wgets the files to a dir and then I can display them with eog :) < 1276460621 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll need to do some link-following for that, because the actual full-size image files have the gallery2 ID in the path. < 1276460627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the view-page URLs that are predictable. < 1276460667 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1276460672 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, okay that's annoying :/ < 1276460680 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wget can fetch resources of the image too < 1276460685 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err of the page < 1276460738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that really helps, since the full-size page is not directly on the page, it's just linked (by the "full size" icon). < 1276460744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there some nice historical reason for why the recycle bin is so rubbish? < 1276460751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say yes < 1276460758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and full size icon is not full size= < 1276460768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't know of one < 1276460789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it's so awful, nobody could have /intentionally/ designed it that way, could they? < 1276460795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, okay now time for the heavy tools. curl, grep and sed < 1276460802 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what specifically is so bad about it? < 1276460806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Of course not; the full-size images are huge (compared to the scaled low-quality versions) and that'd be a whole lot of bandwidth waste to make everyone download those. < 1276460819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the fact that the easiest way to empty it is to go to the desktop, right click on the icon, and select empty? < 1276460823 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah.. hm < 1276460826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that if you add it to quick launch this option disappears? < 1276460836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you basically have to switch to the desktop for no reason at all? < 1276460842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's not really designed to be wgettable, and I don't mind that; my upload pipe is tiny anyway. < 1276460845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ouch, that seems bad < 1276460846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the fact that by default it prompts you if you want to empty the recycle bin, when the recycle bin basically IS the prompt < 1276460853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Not all of them are probably worth viewing closely, anyway. < 1276460864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Ubuntu, there's an empty option on the right-click for it on the taskbar < 1276460885 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wtf.. the full size link is javascript < 1276460887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, evil < 1276460887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: of course, you could click on your quick launch icon to open the recycle bin... and then click empty... but oops, if you disable the shitty helpful-folder-sidebar thing there is no such thing! ctrl+a, delete, yes confirm for god's sake, close the window < 1276460892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tl;dr aaaaargh < 1276460897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to disable it, I think < 1276460900 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm not writing an interpreter for this in a bash one liner! < 1276460913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, maybe not < 1276460915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sends the recycle bin shortcut to the recycle bin
< 1276460941 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: The "href" field in there is just fine, there's just some useless javascript there too. < 1276460953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: (I don't know what's up with that; I didn't make the gallery.) < 1276460983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1276461015 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes, you want to fetch the link with title="Full Size" for all those image-view pages, that shouldn't be too much work. < 1276461038 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There will be two of them, just pick the first.) < 1276461132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is chris okasaki so cool < 1276461229 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl ${fbasedir}/Folder1/interrail-0009-0018.jpg 2>/dev/null | grep -m 1 -B 1 "popImage" | pcregrep -o '(?<=href=")[^"]+(?=")' < 1276461231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about that :D < 1276461249 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd grep for the 'title="Full Size"' bit, it's more logical. < 1276461254 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might well work too, though. < 1276461259 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, turns out it is on a different line < 1276461262 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, three lines < 1276461270 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame either curl or hidden CR or such < 1276461277 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, -B 2 then. < 1276461285 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah but mine works too < 1276461301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, but it might stop working if I add some other popImage-enabled link! < 1276461372 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The full-size images are scaled to not so very high resolution either. < 1276461447 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1276461452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it generates wget commands < 1276461461 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1276461496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lets see if this works < 1276461506 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you have slow upload < 1276461517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much worse than my ADSL even < 1276461522 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get about 80 kb/s up < 1276461523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've said that no less than at least twice in this very same conversation. < 1276461542 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm I might have missed it in the panoramic enthusiasm! < 1276461548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get about 100 kB/s, but there's other things going on at the moment. < 1276461606 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, forgot to replace the test link with $i in the loop < 1276461609 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fixes* < 1276461625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 kb/s + one Skype call for other stuff; I don't know how wide a Skype call is. < 1276461627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here we go < 1276461639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: any idea what a set of constraints on graph connections would look like? < 1276461655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i'm not sure how I'd express "not cyclic" without having it as a primitive < 1276461665 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr < 1276461677 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make labels be associated with datapoints in Gnumeric < 1276461698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: like howso < 1276461708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving cells a name? < 1276461719 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving coordinates which I'm plotting a name < 1276461719 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw http://sprunge.us/GOUR is the script < 1276461736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: like howso < 1276461739 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name thing in the data doesn't seem to do anything < 1276461743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define name < 1276461746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what @ http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/c < 1276461747 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yeah, that would have to be a primitive < 1276461751 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a label to show up by each plotted point < 1276461758 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cycles on connection "foo" probably < 1276461765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i'm trying to think what kind of constraints produces a list < 1276461768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1276461774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every cell has only one connection < 1276461792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we need a special start node? < 1276461799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphs don't usually come with preconceptions of such < 1276461802 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, every cell has zero or two outgoing connections; < 1276461814 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'd have to express scopes as nodes < 1276461816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1276461816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and try saving as progressive optimised jpeg in gimp, gives the smallest files. If you didn't use gimp try the command line tool jpegoptim, it tries to (loselessly) decrease the file size by optimising the huffman encoding stage iirc < 1276461820 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the global scope would be a root node < 1276461824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outgoing connections? < 1276461827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but gimp manages that even better IME < 1276461827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so directed graphs < 1276461832 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's directed < 1276461834 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although... < 1276461837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acyclic < 1276461837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every cell has zero or two outgoing connections < 1276461837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every cell has zero or one incoming connection < 1276461839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah progressive jpeg tends to be smaller for some reason < 1276461840 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not directed would be weird < 1276461842 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the reverse for pngs < 1276461849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think that produces only lists < 1276461863 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Right, you'd need a means for other incoming connections so other things could reference it < 1276461902 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm in Folder1/interrail-0009-0018.jpg, is something weird up with the horizon? < 1276461915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ok: < 1276461919 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or is it just the projection? < 1276461920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acyclic < 1276461922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every cell has zero or two outgoing connections < 1276461923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every cell has zero or one internal incoming connection < 1276461931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well actually, no < 1276461934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: we treat every structure as a complete graph < 1276461940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then drop the constraints when it's in another environment, so to speak? < 1276461941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1276461942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1276461966 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Like I said, I haven't really spent any time fixing those. I think I clicked the "straighten" button on that one, but that's a bit random. It does look a bit screwed up. < 1276461967 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I want to label each individual point of data with its own name < 1276461978 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a bit more than just a bit. < 1276461980 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I have to go to OpenOffice.org Calc? < 1276461990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnumeric can do everything iirc :P < 1276461997 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah hm nice panos though :) < 1276462014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, then tell me how to give each individual point of data a label < 1276462016 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are all again with no tripod or anything, so the source material is on the difficult side, especially for the automagic tools. < 1276462038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: jfgi < 1276462040 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is the image with golden stuff on the roof? < 1276462054 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is interrail-0898-0900.jpg < 1276462062 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's a nice phantom foot in that one. It's from Versailles. < 1276462073 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That would work, but then it's less exciting I think < 1276462078 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1276462112 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there are doppelgangers in a few other ones too < 1276462123 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, though more than the legs usually < 1276462125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, lots of people there. < 1276462180 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for "golden stuff", just look at http://zem.fi/g2/v/Travel/2010/Interrail/Folder6/interrail-0897.jpg.html < 1276462183 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is 08949-0870.jpg 360 degrees? < 1276462189 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit... overdone for my tastes. < 1276462202 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it the one with Louvre's glass pyramid? If so, yes. < 1276462204 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh I agree. I prefer simplistic design. < 1276462231 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah yes indeed that one < 1276462269 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is the cottage garden? 1228-1230.jpg? < 1276462293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still Versailles. < 1276462303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All "Folder6" images are from there. < 1276462305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for 1353-1358? < 1276462311 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm * checks folder* < 1276462332 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop that one was not versailles then < 1276462339 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :folder 7? < 1276462345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Folder7, and it's the view through our hotel window in Paris. < 1276462366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rue Therese, plus a few accents in the vowels here and there. < 1276462381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thérèse, apparently. < 1276462406 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is the name of the street there.) < 1276462415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the panos in Folder1 are from? < 1276462438 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockholm or Helsinki I guess? < 1276462450 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helsinki coastline, the Hki-Sto boat was just leaving. < 1276462454 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1276462486 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the last one (Stickholm) looks very strange in the other right edge of the sky < 1276462495 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is it 180° or? < 1276462520 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :180 and a bit, there was a bit of a pier. < 1276462534 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a pier in the sky? < 1276462553 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1276462558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, from the coast, so it's a bit more than 180 degrees because of that. < 1276462559 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you meant from a pier < 1276462562 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1276462592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I think it needs a tiny bit of photometric correction, the sky changes shade in some places. Apart from the strange bit at the right side < 1276462607 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does. < 1276462629 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that the automatic low-dynamic-range vari-exposure fixed-wb settings made it really horrible, and I was in a hurry. < 1276462637 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but what caused the bit on the right? It can't be due to exposure or white balance can it? < 1276462678 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I tend to not worry about WB until I get to the computer. After all with raw you you don't have to worry about it until at the computer :) < 1276462707 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway, very nice all of them :) < 1276462722 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I didn't notice any seams except when it went through someone moving about < 1276462764 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also, how much ram does stitching the 360° one take? < 1276462767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a huge gap in the 360-degree one, near the left edge of the image file. It would probably be easily fixable with better control points. < 1276462820 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The right-most source image in the Stockholm one is a bit over-exposed, the sky's been clipped close to white, which probably explains why it lacks color in the stitch. < 1276462827 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, huge gap? hm? oh maybe you need to optimise the FOV too then < 1276462835 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the lens parameters < 1276462844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"labels clearly need to be implemented, and are just waiting for a < 1276462844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :volunteer." < 1276462848 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was in 2008 < 1276462866 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gap" in the "does not match" sense, not in the "missing data" sense. That was confusingly put, I admit. < 1276462869 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This copy of Gnumeric dates from before then, I think :/ < 1276462896 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276462910 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1276462918 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for my 360° panos to line up I tend to first need to optimise for only position, then for position and FOV, then for that + barrel and so on, and finally all those + x/y shift. For some reasons the results of doing it all at once tends to be rather bad < 1276463103 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a similarish procedure too. < 1276463152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1303881.820036] usb 5-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 14 < 1276463152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1303886.973661] usb 5-2: string descriptor 0 read error: -71 < 1276463152 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1303886.977680] usb 5-2: can't set config #1, error -71 < 1276463157 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is up with my card reader < 1276463179 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, now it works < 1276463182 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another usb port < 1276463224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old card reader I have flatly refused to grok a SDHC card. It does plain SD cards just fine. < 1276463237 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I don't have any such cards < 1276463240 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to move half of those photos through the camera's USB connection nonsense. < 1276463241 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have CF < 1276463265 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in fact my camera is faster. this thing is USB 1.1, and camera is USB 2 < 1276463268 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CF is the one that makes sense, but smaller cameras tend to like small-form-factor cards more. < 1276463273 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it tends to train the battery of the camera < 1276463274 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very fast < 1276463302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The N900 USB connection is pretty fast (USB 2.0, most likely) but the camera is slow. And battery-drainy too. < 1276463376 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes the recent fixes in the lego thingy fixes the tendency for one of the critical controlling parts for the pneumatics to come loose after about 170°
< 1276463398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: < 1276463438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :list(A) := { < 1276463438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acyclic < 1276463438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every cell has [] or [A, list(A)] outgoing connections < 1276463438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every cell has [] or [list(A)] internal incoming connections < 1276463438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1276463443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: forgot it had to be typed :P < 1276463547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1276463594 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in OpenOffice.org Calc. If I choose "Data series in columns", the points look correct, but have one nonsensical label. If I do "Data series in rows", the labels are good, but the points are nonsensical < 1276463596 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries
< 1276463619 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw I found out that my camera's clock is slightly slow. I set it last time about 3 years ago. It was slow by 12 minutes. Not too bad really < 1276463787 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Just choose only the data points for plotting, then in the "data series" wizard step you can customize more ranges for labels. < 1276463807 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: I'm not sure when I set this (I think we got the camera in 2007 or so), but it's now 3 minutes ahead of the correct time. < 1276463943 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Data labels" thing doesn't seem to be functioning as I would assume it would < 1276463989 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean labels of the data series, if you don't want to have to click those manually for each, the "first row/column as label" checkboxes are also worth a try. The whole process is not very intuitive, and I don't really know what sort of thing you want, so maybe I won't try guessing any more. < 1276464030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want one different label for each point in the series < 1276464089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "data labels" thing only shows the values in labels, I guess. < 1276464331 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1276464360 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if I reorganize my data in a clinically insane way, I can get what I want < 1276464395 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can sort-of do that in gnuplot if your data is sensibly formatted, but I don't know about oocalc. < 1276464396 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276464398 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1276464415 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my camera is way older than that though < 1276464420 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a pastebin for spreadsheets? < 1276464427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Docs. :p < 1276464439 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Doesn't it have some sort of spreadsheety thing?) < 1276464479 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Google Docs may do the charting he wants
< 1276464506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else wanted custom data labels in oocalc, and ended up doing the graphing in R instead. Heh. < 1276464542 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1276464598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could get it done in oocalc if it allowed per-data-series setting of "categories" (because you can get those as data labels), but categories (as far as I can tell) are a graph-wide setting. < 1276464633 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn that fix did not work < 1276464656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest using oleo :P < 1276464660 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aha-onC9NxdadGxYbzVPNmFjaGR4WTRrVmdQTlRWMVE&hl=en < 1276464667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: cannot graph. well, i think it can chart with plotlib or something with the ugly motif interface < 1276464701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no permission to view < 1276464758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works for Chrome in incognito. Try again? < 1276464772 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worked for me(tm). < 1276464777 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what do you want out of that data? < 1276464782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A map < 1276464787 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those numbers represent locations < 1276464796 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1276464799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unfortunately, this is a coincidence." --uorygl on the etymology of "cum" < 1276464808 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should work in oocalc. < 1276464830 0 :uorygl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small world. < 1276464866 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how? < 1276464884 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'll see if I can figure that out. < 1276464893 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tyvm < 1276464896 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: works now < 1276464906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck are you graphing < 1276464915 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a guess. < 1276464921 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be able to guess correctly. < 1276464947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to do with some shitty game < 1276464964 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep! [Except ofc I wouldn't call it shitty] < 1276464990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1276464996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, it does sort of work. Do you want a .ods file or just messy instructions? < 1276465014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messy instructions would be nice < 1276465021 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what do you mean "sort of"? < 1276465045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't look pretty. < 1276465137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Select just the numbers, click the chart-making wizard, select XY (scatter), next, "data series in columns" (no labels anywhere), next, then for "data labels" set the range that has the names, next, disable legend/grids, finish; ... [cont] < 1276465182 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... then in the actual graph, click one of the points so that it selects (highlights) the series, right-click, "insert data labels", right-click again, "format data labels", and then select "show category" instead of "show value as number" as the label. < 1276465203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should give you the points in those coordinates, and those names above the points. < 1276465223 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was based on OO.org 3.2, I don't know how different it would be for other versions. < 1276465321 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah crap, I don't see "Insert data labels" < 1276465338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I see something similar though < 1276465341 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghrm. And you clicked the data points, not the whole graph? < 1276465395 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it, ty < 1276465410 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to Object properties... and there was a data labels thing there < 1276465426 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. If it works... < 1276465437 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing it that way will still mean all points are in the same "series", so they'll have the same color/icon, just that the names will be above the points. It might be trickier if you want them to have separate colors and legend entries. < 1276465477 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is fine, thanks! < 1276465565 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks.. upside down. I guess what I always thought of as "forward" was South < 1276465727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you want, you can right-click on the Y axis line, do "format axis" and turn on "reverse direction". < 1276465746 0 :hiato!~nine@dsl-245-57-76.telkomadsl.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1276465755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In this version, anyway.) < 1276466354 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a c2bf of some sort? < 1276466394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's gcc-bf, but it's unfinished < 1276466403 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the other way around < 1276466411 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to compile c to *****fuck < 1276466418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it's gcc with a BF backend < 1276466431 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1276466434 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm confused < 1276466471 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it mean it puts out bf or it eats bf? < 1276466488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :puts out bf < 1276466492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also c2bf, but that's older and more shittier < 1276466494 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1276466501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: iirc it doesn't actually fully work yet < 1276466505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ais523's project as he is humbly omitting < 1276466527 0 :FredrIQ!~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq JOIN :#esoteric < 1276466648 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am wondering about a language that is esoteric and not fully cryptanalized yet < 1276466656 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least not widely known enough < 1276466675 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fast enough to run near the main loop of an app < 1276466704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1276466730 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expand on that thought < 1276466824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what art thou talking about.st. < 1276466928 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the application difficult to RE < 1276466945 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self modifying code is not really successful anymore < 1276466995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you can write the code someone else can make sense of it. < 1276467055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not always < 1276467111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what method would you recommend for testing a webapp on IE? < 1276467117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Suicide? < 1276467121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Uh, I'd use a VM. < 1276467127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a boring solution? < 1276467138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You /could/ use IEs4linux, but who knows what tricksy things Windows has in store. < 1276467204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a spare Windows licence to put in a VM, is the issue < 1276467266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could boot into the Windows partition here < 1276467271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would mean closing everything down < 1276467306 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^why I chose between Windows and Linux for my main OS, instead of using Linux for everything but my games < 1276467308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are online IE VMs that you can VPN into, or whatever < 1276467314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Run the Windows partition in a VM? < 1276467323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's an OEM licence < 1276467328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can't be used on different hardware, like a VM < 1276467341 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just a technicality, it would go mad if I tried < 1276467344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the anti-piracy features < 1276467551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I guess that's what it does. Though I like to call it an "anti-upgrade feature", since it also bites you if you just want to upgrade the computer too much. < 1276467603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. I can't save a file in OOo that has the same name as a folder. < 1276467606 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our university has some remote-desktop IE boxes for staff, though I guess officially those are only for using the horrible IE-only university web-apps, not random testing. < 1276467615 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, same name excluding .extension < 1276467623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't have a spare Windows licence to put in a VM, is the issue < 1276467629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose I could suggest something illegal? < 1276467639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just write the extension explicitly? I don't think it adds a duplicate if you spell it out. < 1276467639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't follow illegal suggestions < 1276467650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: it's an OEM licence < 1276467650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so can't be used on different hardware, like a VM < 1276467650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : not just a technicality, it would go mad if I tried < 1276467657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could remove that crap by booting into the partition, using whatever tools remove it < 1276467659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then doing it in the vm < 1276467667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's illegal, i'm pretty sure that's like a protected right < 1276467671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I think that's legal < 1276467676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I also think I'd screw it up if I tried < 1276467792 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that reversing one axis makes the map.. wrong < 1276467824 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1276467949 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, how do I save this chart as an image? < 1276468258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are click-and-it-disappears tools for pretty much every windows abomination out there < 1276468271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, some cleaner than others < 1276468284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not nearly savvy enough to find the ones that work without being full of trojans < 1276468336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the thing that does it? < 1276468342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not windows genuine advantage... windows product activation? < 1276468351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: it's an OEM licence < 1276468351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so can't be used on different hardware, like a VM < 1276468351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : not just a technicality, it would go mad if I tried < 1276468351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think so < 1276468352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1276468354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1276468359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't copy from windows vm to linux :D < 1276468384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, here's an idea < 1276468398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says it only dies if the hardware is seen as "not substantially the same" < 1276468414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot into windows, unplug almost everything, shut down, set vm as close as possible, ?? < 1276468415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*??? < 1276468423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vms tend to be pretty different < 1276468430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it cares about essential hardware, not peripherals < 1276468434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aha < 1276468436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like disk model, cpu model, that sort of hting < 1276468437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have the CD? < 1276468441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't a CD < 1276468446 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1276468450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1276468455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you can configure the oem version to install as retails < 1276468457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*retail < 1276468461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you'd need a retail key < 1276468462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1276468467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ies4linux /should/ work < 1276468473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... what website are you testing? < 1276468478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine you using anything that wouldn't work in ... lynx < 1276468499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's a webapp for calculating legailty of Pokémon < 1276468503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to help in RNGing them < 1276468511 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't work in IE, browsershots confirms it < 1276468542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ies4linux should work just fine < 1276468555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/ < 1276468576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: basically it installs an IE/Wine setup and fixes all the little niggles that stops it... working < 1276468593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it clash with existing wine? < 1276468596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it just automates the install, not sure < 1276468598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it uses existing wine. < 1276468620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it can install everything from ie 5.5 or 6, I forget, to 8, iirc < 1276468625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you know, that's cool < 1276468630 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1276468992 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/7Qatq.png < 1276469006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1276469008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to make a better chart though, one less vulnerable to human error < 1276469013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that meant to be... a map? < 1276469022 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1276469030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1276469033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU COULD HAVE JUST MADE A MAP < 1276469042 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1276469150 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, ies4linux has caused that cascading freeze problem < 1276469159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it freezes, then all terminals mentioning it freeze, etc < 1276469162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the system becomes unusual < 1276469244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1276469264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm <-- Features Windows XP booting on a 7 MHz original Pentium with 20 MiB of RAM < 1276469270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boot time: 30 minutes. < 1276469387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's similar to how long it takes on a modern networked and externally controlled system < 1276469416 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes what is probably crappy Haskell
< 1276469505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1276469516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie6 seems to work, at least < 1276469526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should really have turned network access off first < 1276469533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You know, I wouldn't bother targeting ie6... < 1276469536 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's unlikely that things that target IE will have Linux-targetting payloads < 1276469548 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ies4linux works best with it < 1276469549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but wine can access the linux root by default < 1276469555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, it can < 1276469560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus has permissions to wipe your home folder < 1276469573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I'm relying on security through obscurity here < 1276469581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and avoiding websites altogether, using only the file:/// tree < 1276469582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some highly illegal XP distribution floating around with tons of stuff stripped; e.g. they replaced Windows Explorer with the Windows 95 version and iirc removed all the MSHTML and IE files. < 1276469796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how small he could get Windows XP and have it still ... do things
< 1276469799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*she < 1276469802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly nick pronouns < 1276469811 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Zzzz < 1276469822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... with gratuitous use of nLite + a purging of \WINDOWS, should be possible < 1276469907 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1276469921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1276470073 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :filesystems suck < 1276470095 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: make me a better model of a filesystem < 1276470115 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, wait < 1276470116 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can hardlink < 1276470125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I believe you already know what my opinions are on filesystems. < 1276470134 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good enough < 1276470210 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, the world needs a better model of filesystems :/ < 1276470257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proposed better model of filesystems: none at all. < 1276470390 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, maybe some sort of object database? < 1276470402 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1276470404 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure that is vague < 1276470407 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi < 1276470408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple: < 1276470414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAM is disk cache. < 1276470418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to go even further: < 1276470422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disk is global encrypted network cache. < 1276470424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho < 1276470428 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well yes + stack? < 1276470429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ho < 1276470430 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume? < 1276470431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's off to work we go < 1276470436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You know what I mean. :-) < 1276470544 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I think most programs will want some non-persistent working state < 1276470568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, or do you claim that registers are RAM cache? ;P < 1276470602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider: < 1276470608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are running a very intensive computation that will take hours and hours. < 1276470613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your trip over your power cord. < 1276470629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your computer has decided that it doesn't need to persist that data, and you are fired from your job, which is maintaining high-performance computers. < 1276470634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no money to buy food, so you starve to death. < 1276470636 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unlikely the way my room is organised < 1276470642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, not persisting temporary data is equivalent to murder. < 1276470644 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have to get between a bookshelf and a wall < 1276470656 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes, and this task is _very_ memory intensive. < 1276470662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it updates memory a lot < 1276470671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There are efficient algorithms to do persisting like this. < 1276470674 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so it would be IO bound if writing the state to disk all the time < 1276470679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Research topic etc. < 1276470687 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, snapshotting every few minutes might work better for that < 1276470691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: that's why you do it as a background process every very small interval < 1276470699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on the order of, say, 1s at most) < 1276470704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1276470705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10s at most < 1276470713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are good ways to do all this < 1276470714 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but writing out 24 GB data to disk? (yes this is a high end workstation we imagine) < 1276470717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would take ages < 1276470726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: how fast can you modify 24 gigs of ram? < 1276470736 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, pretty fast since it will use 8 cores < 1276470741 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ram is fast < 1276470750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you do realise that multiple cores use the same ram pathways? < 1276470754 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of it is able to be done in fast stores < 1276470765 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no? NUMA < 1276470774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, NUMA. < 1276470778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying, most of the time. < 1276470786 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1276470788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, even Xenon core i7 is NUMA < 1276470788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Anyway, obviously such an edge-case could disable or significantly slow that. < 1276470797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(persisting) < 1276470836 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well while we were talking I was doing some memory intensive stuff. Not quite as bad and task is fast. Converting raw files to tiff < 1276470846 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes about 20 seconds per file < 1276470852 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :batch job < 1276470857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what you'd be good at? < 1276470861 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumping state in between seems pointless for that < 1276470870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QA. Your brain is entirely devoted to the task of finding exceptions to the rule :-) < 1276470870 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I can think of a lot of things ;P < 1276470881 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh yeah QA is important IMO :) < 1276470885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway, yes, "RAM is disk cache" is a simplified view. < 1276470891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the essence of the philosophy. < 1276470905 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it makes kind of sense for some type of tasks < 1276470925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's part of my OS design... and, oh, Smalltalk's. < 1276470926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, like for those people who don't save every half minute when writing something and make a VCS commit every few minutes < 1276470927 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1276470940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of plenty of ways to make it omit temporary objects. < 1276470941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep all my assignments for university in version control of course < 1276470946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., never save local variables < 1276470950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only exposed things on an object < 1276470966 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes, you don't want to write out the int i; for a tight loop ;P < 1276470971 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1276470980 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless very very long running < 1276470985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An even more radical part of my vision is that almost everything should be versioned. :-) < 1276471007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is quite practical, though, with deduplicative storage; see Plan 9 venti, which is tried and tested and works exactly like that. < 1276471015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you never delete a venti record) < 1276471017 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well certainly but that would fill your disk pretty fast if you version middle-of-computation state < 1276471029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, obviously you don't version that. Sheesh, I'm not *that* stupid. :P < 1276471038 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be quite useless to have a version like "panorama stitching: 25% done" < 1276471047 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has an urge to make an 'edge case' pun
< 1276471061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, is it something to do with suite cases? < 1276471069 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking graphs < 1276471072 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1276471642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointers < 1276471690 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/T6bDS.png < 1276472236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jeffkatz.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a721c2d7970b0133ec69016c970b-800wi < 1276472237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just... what. < 1276472274 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1276472278 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any D&D person: How do you pronounce " Majere" < 1276472300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, map based on converting the data I had to CSV first, instead of manually typing it in < 1276472308 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the data of? < 1276472308 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More reliable, more information < 1276472314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: some shitty 3d virtual reality < 1276472317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sgeo, couldn't you have guessed? < 1276472318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locations in a now deceased game called Mutation < 1276472359 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no problems with you being interested in online games < 1276472366 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the necrophilia is disturbing < 1276472377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! < 1276472406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote what's the data of? [...] Locations in a now deceased game called Mutation I have no problems with you being interested in online games but the necrophilia is disturbing < 1276472415 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :180| what's the data of? [...] Locations in a now deceased game called Mutation I have no problems with you being interested in online games but the necrophilia is disturbing < 1276472436 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's possible to fit that quote's context in under one week < 1276472444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...under one week? < 1276472464 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I was referring to his longstanding tradition of being interested in games that the rest of the world considers dead < 1276472471 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the MUSHes < 1276472481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Cybertown" < 1276472488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: since when is a week a measure of length? :P < 1276472498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, that tradition is well-known enough that it needs not be mentioned < 1276472501 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is in the fourth dimension < 1276472505 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a measure of duration < 1276472691 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think LambdaMOO is considered a MUSH < 1276472704 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-243-205-116.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1276472744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1276472757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses the windows calculator right?? Or the defragmenter?? Or Paint?? < 1276472759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can strip those out can't I! < 1276472892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a Win98 install somewhere with the bare minimum
< 1276472944 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i use windows calculator < 1276473004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: but i'm trying to get the smallest usable windows xp installation! < 1276473010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just use some smaller calculator :P < 1276473056 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use one of the OMG calculators < 1276473076 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[except the ones that rely on the Windows calculator, I guess] < 1276473239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd better keep the defragmenter < 1276473243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for... obvious reasons < 1276473254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1276473255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are third party ones < 1276473257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1276473322 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: fair enough; i only use it cos i cba to get a replacement < 1276473344 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what size are you shooting for? < 1276473357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<400 meg installed, as best as i can basically < 1276473362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lowest resource usage hopefully < 1276473371 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hd size? < 1276473374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even installing sound drivers by default < 1276473377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: ? < 1276473405 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big is the disk you'r installibng on? < 1276473423 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1276473452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: oh it's a vm < 1276473455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 10 gig max :P < 1276473458 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah < 1276473459 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1276473462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm optimising for lowest disk usage and resource usage < 1276473464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just for fun basically < 1276473475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my automatic reaction to boxes marked "Remove" is "CLICK CLICK CLICK" < 1276473491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets back adoption of IPv6 by removing it
< 1276473493 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there needs to be a newbs guide to using vms < 1276473498 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1276473504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit apps? pfft < 1276473506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple: it's easy :P < 1276473514 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, boost is so bloated that I can't use -j2 when compiling a project that uses it. because that causes swap trashing. < 1276473517 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setting up as well? < 1276473520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus -j1 is faster, even on dual core < 1276473523 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the irony < 1276473530 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j ? < 1276473547 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapple, to make obviously < 1276473551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs edit, edlin, ping, xcopy, sort, more, ipconfig and others? < 1276473555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not say "me". < 1276473569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windoze users? < 1276473574 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-pineapple- VERSION irssi v0.8.12 < 1276473576 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1276473577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slimming down Windows XP to be almost nothing :P < 1276473587 0 :pineapple!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've found xcopy more useful than copy < 1276473588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can just use Cygwin or some other crap surely! < 1276473589 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used ipconfig, sort, and ping; also less