< 1278460852 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest SMB3. < 1278460860 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rereading is boring. >_> < 1278460867 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm rereading because I never finished < 1278460884 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright then. < 1278460885 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I want to re-read so I can finish the ending. My memory is terrible too so it's like reading it the first time almost. :) < 1278460889 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that book is not at my public library but it sounds awesome < 1278460897 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night folks. < 1278460901 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey_away < 1278460917 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, slowly I guess. The ants are unlikely to be very fast < 1278460928 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is. It's not the best work of literature but it's certainly awesome. It's one of the first true "steampunk" novels. < 1278460940 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278460942 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: actually. fuck reading. SMB3 it is. < 1278460959 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. :P < 1278460970 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: what's the current state of Braces? We should add an interpreter to one of the bots. :) < 1278460989 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what one of my bots had. < 1278460993 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget which. < 1278461004 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what emulator do you use? < 1278461013 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!braces print "Hello, #esoteric" < 1278461019 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`braces print "Hello, #esoteric" < 1278461027 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the other? < 1278461030 0 :aliseiphone_!~ehirdipho@82.132.248.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278461036 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1278461058 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, one of your bots < 1278461061 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not one of the channel bots. < 1278461103 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, is there a SNES emulator you use that works well? My computer isn't the best but it seems reasonable that it can run a virtual SNES < 1278461142 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278461145 0 :aliseiphone_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :aliseiphone < 1278461168 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. found one called zsnes < 1278461187 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fucking love aptitude. < 1278461344 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and emulators. and ROM images. < 1278461496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, isn't zsnes basically _the_ snes emulator < 1278461499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best one < 1278461511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some other one iirc < 1278461511 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know shit about SNES emulators. < 1278461663 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god..... < 1278461671 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be able to play Yoshi's Island < 1278461695 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just play yoshi island ds < 1278461700 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not as good < 1278461702 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graphics are all different < 1278461731 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1278461857 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is boring. < 1278461871 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Modified cal yet? < 1278461901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Nein. < 1278461909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, zsnes is not the best SNES emulator. < 1278461910 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, oddly enough I'm having trouble finding a ROM for SMB3 < 1278461911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSNES is. < 1278461913 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nine. < 1278461913 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1278461934 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bullshit nes? < 1278461942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Byuu SNES. < 1278461947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One-man project. < 1278461955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect implementation of the SNES. < 1278461976 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, see you guys. < 1278461979 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1278461987 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info < 1278461988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The following three titles are unplayable, due to special on-cart DSPs whose program ROMs have not been extracted. < 1278461991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Hayazashi Nidan Morita Shougi 1 (uses ST-0011 co-processor) * Hayazashi Nidan Morita Shougi 2 (uses ST-0018 co-processor) * SD Gundam GX (uses DSP-3 co-processor) < 1278461993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything not in the above list is assumed to be fully compatible and bug-free. < 1278461996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1278462031 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulate the dsps < 1278462050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that the ROMs for those DSPs aren't available. < 1278462055 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsnes is really good < 1278462057 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it < 1278462059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that those games have never been dumped. < 1278462154 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaddyamean not available < 1278462199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Presumably rare, and no collector is willing to let some guy desolder the chips to dump the DSP ROM. < 1278462414 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm... this ROM doesn't seem accurate. < 1278462427 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278462435 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's broken up into a bunch of files and a "security.prm" < 1278462874 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1278462876 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new libc < 1278463283 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is it as fast as zsnes? < 1278463298 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and what about support add-on thingies like that used by some games < 1278463306 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like star fox iirc < 1278463331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, zsnes is intended to run on an old Pentium. < 1278463338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSNES runs at full speed on a decent Core II. < 1278463349 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about a sempron 3300+? < 1278463356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1278463385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, BSNES supports all the add-in chips in games except for those three aforementioned. < 1278463394 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1278463396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a *perfect* emulation of the SNES. < 1278463416 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does it support cheating? ;) < 1278463421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1278463442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even hook up a Gameshark ROM to it if you wanted. :P < 1278463463 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1278463477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also includes a Gameboy emulator. < 1278463484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the sake of the Super GameBoy. < 1278463492 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything wrong with visualboyadvance? < 1278463500 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, super gameboy being? < 1278463518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Super Gameboy was a SNES cartridge that had a Gameboy in it. < 1278463528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could play Gameboy games on your SNES using it. < 1278463531 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1278463540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSNES is the only emulator that supports this. < 1278463555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is quite nice, as some Gameboy games actually came with SNES code on the cartridge. < 1278463567 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# AMD Phenom II or Core 2 Duo <-- that is recommended < 1278463569 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiight < 1278463583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's necessary. < 1278463592 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so yeah I'll use zsnes < 1278463606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got to do emulation at the level of clock cycle to emulate the SNES correctly. < 1278463613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't games break. < 1278463624 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so does zsnes presumably? < 1278463646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... No, zsnes doesn't even get the clock *rate* accurate. < 1278463652 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1278463662 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it works nicely for all the games I tried though < 1278463666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And zsnes has a lot of crazy hacks to get specific games working. < 1278463679 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it works on my hardware though < 1278463693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dude, get a computer newer than 7 years old. < 1278463711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hacks ranging from "change the CPU clock rate" to "patch the memory upon a specific trigger". < 1278463718 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, okay mine is above the mini specs < 1278463734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well below the recommended specs < 1278463740 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrono Trigger! < 1278463743 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer to play on desktop rather than laptop < 1278463745 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, :) < 1278463749 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sega saturn looks wild! 8 different programmable CPU:s, each with a different instruction set < 1278463761 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ouch < 1278463765 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, those recommended specs are to be able to handle things like Star Fox. < 1278463785 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, except one of them that shares the instruction set with the other primary CPU) < 1278463788 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, starfox works nicely for me under zsens though < 1278463798 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, sleep < 1278463813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: But is it behaving literally exactly like a SNES? HAH no. < 1278463813 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278463824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does it matter though? < 1278463839 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't have a snes keypad anyway < 1278463841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, yes. < 1278463845 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to use the keyboard < 1278463850 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does it matter for star fox I meant < 1278463858 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsnes can be a little jumpy on my system but that's likely because I have a Celeron < 1278463864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1278463895 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not everyone can afford the very best system < 1278463922 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dude, a Core II or a Phenom 2 isn't "the very best system". < 1278463936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "low-end computer". < 1278463941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, true but playing on laptop would be painful, small screen and such < 1278463949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and high res screen < 1278463953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Why are you talking about laptops? < 1278463957 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also intel graphics < 1278463962 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so < 1278463964 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, because my laptop is core 2 duo < 1278463967 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I compile programs from source < 1278463969 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my desktop is sempron 3300+ < 1278463973 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is the standard locations for putting the output? < 1278463977 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so I'm talking about my specific laptop < 1278463983 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not laptops in general < 1278463988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Spend $200. Get you a much, much, much nicer desktop. < 1278464015 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, can't afford that. Also will it have PCI? I won't give up my soundblaster live card < 1278464040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still nearly impossible to find a motherboard without PCI support. < 1278464045 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1278464049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Say, what socket is your Sempron 3300+? < 1278464051 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not what I heard from other people < 1278464061 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, can you check with /proc/cpuinfo? < 1278464064 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1278464081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks up the model
< 1278464096 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/gcSM < 1278464099 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is /proc/cpuinfo < 1278464101 0 :iamcal!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278464101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, but you can find the "cpu family" and "model" in there which can help googling... < 1278464116 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, see paste < 1278464126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks
< 1278464149 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, max speed is 2 GHz, but I'm running dynamic speed < 1278464235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... August 2004, Socket 754. < 1278464243 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1278464250 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not 7 years < 1278464250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Why are you running a 6 year old processor*. < 1278464253 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is 6 years < 1278464257 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1278464260 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, because it hasn't broken yet < 1278464267 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no need to replace what isn't broken < 1278464281 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, until about a year ago I had a 10 year old phone < 1278464286 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it still worked < 1278464290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can has a few orders of magnitude increase in system speed. < 1278464297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Orders of magnitude* man. < 1278464305 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, works for me though < 1278464325 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't like that downloading EMACS via aptitude reset my file associations... < 1278464334 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, how strange. < 1278464348 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, I blame this on debian really < 1278464350 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as if it wants to convert me < 1278464362 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I refuse. I need a GUI < 1278464365 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for now. < 1278464365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Allow me to analogise: you're using an Apple II in '95. You're using a Pentium in 2000. You're using a Pentium III in 2005. < 1278464369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Upgrade for crissake!* < 1278464382 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not until it breaks. < 1278464394 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to upgrade when I have enough money < 1278464399 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, besides I can't afford it < 1278464400 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might actually put it on a student loan < 1278464408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, who wants to put in for a collection to send someone to break AnMaster's desktop? < 1278464412 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, yeah I'm a student too < 1278464421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: How much expendable money do you have? < 1278464443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not much, student. Had to get a new harddrive recently, cost quite a bit < 1278464452 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2000 SEK I would guess < 1278464466 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current liquid assets totals... $20 < 1278464471 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US < 1278464474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can convert that to your preferred currency yourself < 1278464489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: $262? Okay, that's enough to get a quite *good* computer. < 1278464503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes but I need to get some other stuff soon < 1278464503 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1278464511 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, besides it is more expensive over here < 1278464516 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by other stuff he means drugs < 1278464517 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, we have higher VAT < 1278464517 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1278464519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that you've already gotten a modern HD, you could probably upgrade decently for more like $80. < 1278464529 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, do you even have VAT over in US? < 1278464540 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 25% here iirc < 1278464542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: No, we just have a sales tax added at point-of-sale. < 1278464543 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most stuff < 1278464549 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20% for some other stuff < 1278464570 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VAT? < 1278464576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it varies from state to state. < 1278464578 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sales tax? Yeah. But not that high. < 1278464591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: "Value added tax". < 1278464596 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, it is called moms in Sweden. VAT is the UK name < 1278464611 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what the percentage is here in Georgia, USA. Somewhere in the upper single digits. < 1278464615 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that would be more familiar to people in US < 1278464618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a tax on the added value provided by some entity between when they purchased a good and when they sold it, IIRC. < 1278464635 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so yeah 2000 SEK in US would last far longer than 2000 SEK here < 1278464659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but there wouldn't be 2000 SEK available. < 1278464668 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is SEK? < 1278464670 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm? < 1278464673 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, a currency < 1278464676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that we're the crazy freaks who charge thousands for basic medical needs. < 1278464679 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish? < 1278464682 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, yes < 1278464729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And about 90% of the people here are in debt. < 1278464734 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1278464742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're fucking nuts. < 1278464762 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you live in the US?? < 1278464769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh, you'd also be paying for school. < 1278464770 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, A reasonable CPU would cost about 1500 SEK around here < 1278464776 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least did half a year ago < 1278464778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Define "reasonable". < 1278464788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Yes. < 1278464791 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, fast core 2 duo < 1278464805 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, about half a year or a year ago < 1278464806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Dude, that's faster than you would reasonably need. < 1278464814 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, mhm < 1278464820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're awesome and all, but not worth twice the cash. < 1278464832 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, didn't say core i7 < 1278464844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah: AMD is *cheap*. < 1278464859 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and shittier iirc < 1278464863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My CPU cost me $40 (304 SEK). < 1278464884 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mobo would cost more than 500 SEK around here < 1278464887 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite sure < 1278464889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Still faster than you could possibly wish for. < 1278464896 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus I suspect I would need to upgrade ram < 1278464913 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and my GPU is AGP < 1278464922 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I would either need AGP board or need to replace that too < 1278464922 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAM's nearly approached the "give away" point... < 1278464926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Oh dear. < 1278464935 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, geforce 7600 < 1278464938 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not a too bad GPU < 1278464943 0 :micahjohnston!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1278464949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yeah. Here's what you're going to do: you're going to *save* so you can get a better system. < 1278464961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can skip forward a few *generations* of tech. < 1278465029 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1278465041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I do save as much as I can afford < 1278465048 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :already < 1278465060 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You're also going to count yourself glad that you're not in the US. < 1278465065 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, costs for housing, food and so on are high in Sweden < 1278465074 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher than US at least < 1278465081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And how much do you pay for your college? < 1278465095 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that, nil, but housing does cost < 1278465107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: And how much do you pay for your textbooks? < 1278465118 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, quite a bit < 1278465126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "quite a bit". < 1278465144 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, about 1600 SEK for the autumn < 1278465163 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of expensive books < 1278465170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$209? Okay. That's 2 textbooks. < 1278465178 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, just checked, closer to 1900 SEK < 1278465183 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1278465187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1949.50 SEK < 1278465190 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be exact < 1278465195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many books? < 1278465202 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, *counts* < 1278465206 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1278465246 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, one of the books cost 680 SEK, the other ones are less expensive < 1278465270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Those'd be considered somewhat cheaper textbooks in the US. That's still pretty bad though. < 1278465280 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yep < 1278465293 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, these are the paper back versions < 1278465299 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hard cover would have cost about twice this < 1278465305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now add another ~$8,000 (60977 SEK) onto that. < 1278465314 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, for what? < 1278465319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuition. < 1278465322 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... < 1278465325 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's bad < 1278465333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very cheap. < 1278465336 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but where does the money go. Not into the teacher's pockets < 1278465361 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also can't you get a grant or such in the US for it? < 1278465365 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have good grades < 1278465389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: You can sometimes find a scholarship *from private entities*, yes. < 1278465401 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1278465417 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US government will (unless your family is so poor as to be having trouble feeding themselves) offer you a loan. < 1278465433 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if your family is that poor, then what? < 1278465445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they will start giving you some money. < 1278465464 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Start*. < 1278465468 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1278465496 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes US sucks, but Sweden sucks too. Everywhere sucks in facrt < 1278465498 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fact' < 1278465499 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1278465513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It gets worse if you go to a somewhat notable school. Or if you go to an out-of-state school. < 1278465520 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1278465575 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still wondering how US manages to keep military budget that high < 1278465588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half our taxes! < 1278465590 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it would be political suicide to not try to cut the defence budget < 1278465605 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by funneling a very very large percentage of funds into it. < 1278465627 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, and that would be political suicide here < 1278465680 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to Wikipedia < 1278465705 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the United States spent 663,255,000,000 on the military in 2009. I assume that figure it US dollars? < 1278465710 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1278465715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway have to sleep < 1278465717 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1278465719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: For out-of-state tuition at a vaguely notable school (CU Boulder): $28,186 (214839 SEK). < 1278465733 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about MIT? < 1278465777 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also out of state wouldn't apply to Sweden. After all, we are about as big as one of your states < 1278465777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, $37,782 (287981 SEK). < 1278465797 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :287 981 SEK right < 1278465806 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is how you write it, with space separator) < 1278465818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(either that or a dot) < 1278465824 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(comma is for decimal in Swedish) < 1278465830 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...freaks. :P < 1278465838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1278465849 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think it should be a thin space really < 1278465851 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Swedish < 1278465851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Books and personal expenses are about $2,858."... < 1278465856 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not completely sure < 1278465870 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's because the books are outrageously priced. < 1278465880 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(21 784 SEK) < 1278465883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: They are. < 1278465897 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey < 1278465901 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the university business is booming. < 1278465910 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if quality of education is doing the same though. < 1278465911 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that 1950 SEK was for just the autumn < 1278465915 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will add up over time < 1278465928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Yes, but that 21 784 is just one year. < 1278465935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*That* adds up over time. < 1278465937 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 years for bachelor < 1278465940 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wtf < 1278465959 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you could presumably resell your old books < 1278465960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm citing you rates per year. < 1278465963 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for say, 80% of the cost < 1278465970 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to new students < 1278465972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a bachelor generally takes 4 years, sometimes more. < 1278465976 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one everyone will gain < 1278465990 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will gain some, and so will the new students < 1278465992 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: depends. the bookstores will buy it back for like 20% of the price, which is retarded < 1278465997 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why I always sell my books myself. < 1278466003 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of going through my university's bookstore. < 1278466006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Book publishers like to publish new editions each year and convince professors to require the new edition. < 1278466007 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, yes you could sell your books yourself I said < 1278466016 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, huh, and do they check that? < 1278466020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :profs I mean < 1278466021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1278466040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a few other means to eliminate the used book market. < 1278466062 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1278466062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some books come with a one-person-only key to log onto some website that's used for homework. < 1278466069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some are switching to being ebooks only. < 1278466077 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ebooks are easy to copy < 1278466103 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, night really now → < 1278466137 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-71-0-120.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278466976 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 241 seconds < 1278467041 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1278467612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good bloody night < 1278467682 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1278468978 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1278469534 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278470749 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1278471075 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278477268 0 :Oranjer!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1278478072 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1278479288 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: i tried installing skystreets in ubuntu but it segfaults. < 1278479568 0 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1278479663 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278479697 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1278479823 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h97.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278480099 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1278480216 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h97.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278480234 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1927 < 1278480768 0 :Figs_!~Figs@75.85.180.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278481081 0 :Figs_!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1278481200 0 :sandra_f!~sandra_f@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1278481350 0 :sandra_f!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1278482819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds it really weird that tarot is associated with esotericism
< 1278484327 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1278484834 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Tarrot is associated with esoteric programming languages? < 1278484850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a Tarrot programming language < 1278484859 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tolly want a cracker? < 1278484993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1278485119 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric programming language with delayed instruction effects? :-) < 1278485165 0 :carlobar!~beren@201.245.237.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278485184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :いいえイイエｲｲｴIIEＩＩＥ < 1278485194 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or language with explicit pipelined execution with no checking for code nor data hazards. < 1278486252 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1278486295 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Why this scene has so many "infinite" objects? It should only have real objects of types box, difference and difference,box>... All finite in extent... < 1278486322 0 :carlobar!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1278487305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits self
< 1278487315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure what I constructed is not NAND < 1278487388 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What has a truth table: A:0 B:0 1, everything else 0? < 1278487513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like an imbicile right now < 1278487539 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. NOR < 1278487613 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as good *shrug* < 1278488090 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1278488482 0 :Nephilim!~oliver@212.183.140.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278488649 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to SkyStreets there's also another clone, with a bit different look but the same idea: http://www.tastystatic.com/ < 1278488659 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't know if they've copied the levels.) < 1278488661 0 :Nephilim!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1278489599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1278489600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1278489638 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, I was wondering what the one I played some months ago was; that was it. < 1278489645 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they copied the levels. < 1278489875 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1278489910 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should stop reading the T&R ending and go to sleep
< 1278491502 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh... This seems to be hitting bugs in POV-Ray. Nothing affecting correctness, but greatly slowing things down... < 1278491676 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since when cylinders/boxes are infinite objects?) < 1278491733 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about 30.5k frames rendered, about 48k frames total). < 1278491898 0 :okp!okpietil@myntti.helsinki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1278491899 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (since when cylinders/boxes are infinite objects?) <-- "since when are"? < 1278491941 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the word order seems confusing < 1278492032 0 :cpressey_away!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1278492041 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, going swimming < 1278492367 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278497704 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-185.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278499277 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278499454 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-185.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278499986 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278500000 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278502337 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1278502716 0 :choochter!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: lang may yer lum reek.. < 1278503438 0 :choochter!~choochter@host213-1-49-233.btremoteinternet-dsl.bt.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278504408 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1278504410 0 :Adrian^L!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1278504411 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1278504413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1278504600 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278504600 0 :Adrian^L!adrian@phalse.2600.COM JOIN :#esoteric < 1278504600 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1278504600 0 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1278504817 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278506023 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1278506031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1278508462 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1278508486 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1278508606 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-5-185.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278508816 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1278508864 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1278508889 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-185.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278509625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, floating point numbers are considered to be rationals in Haskell, rather than reals; I suppose that makes sense, but it's amusing < 1278509635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reading through the Haskell 2010 spec, which was released today
< 1278510137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also amusing: Haskell has the same LR(infinity) parsing issues as INTERCAL < 1278510163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"case x of { (a,_) | let b = not a in b :: Bool -> a }" is the offending statement in Haskell, it seems < 1278510174 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hah < 1278510180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to get the infinite lookahead required, replace a by (a1,a2,a3,a4,a5,a6,...)) < 1278510354 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang with not even nearly context-free grammar? :-> < 1278510363 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as esolang idea). < 1278510421 0 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-52-193.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1278510431 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what befunges grammar would be < 1278510434 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge98 that is < 1278510457 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without threads no lookahead would be required < 1278510483 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with threads I'm not sure if "scan through spaces to next non-space" is counted as lookahead or not < 1278510487 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Oh, 40937 frames done of about 48k. < 1278510770 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :41 000 frames done... < 1278510782 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just 7000 left or so? < 1278510788 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-70.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1278510881 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About that... But lots of those 7000 are in levels that have loads of stuff, and POV-Ray seems to have problems with those. < 1278510881 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1278510887 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1278510915 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot imagine how you actually managed to figure out the geometry from the memdumps < 1278510930 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. guys, where do you take SNS < 1278510940 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNES roms from? < 1278510943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raytracing Skyroad seems a little ridiculous; what are you using for textures? < 1278510950 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seriously thinking the stuff this scene generator outputs hits a bug in POV-Ray. < 1278510956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: no discussion of ROMs, that's a rule of pretty much every forum in existence < 1278510959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including, IIRC, Freenode < 1278510964 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1278510967 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me < 1278510986 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no question < 1278510986 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed colors (from Skyroads palette maps). < 1278511027 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: The memdump format was very easy to figure out. < 1278511028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a case of, if you're doing raytracing, you don't need textures to look good? < 1278511062 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I could make special tiles distinctive later... < 1278511127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POV-Ray has pretty nice procedural textures. < 1278511224 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1278511236 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See e.g. http://hof.povray.org/pebbles.html which claims to be "generated entirely using POV code"; I assume that extends to textures too, though of course can't be sure. < 1278511281 0 :Malina!~Malina@staticline13394.toya.net.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1278511367 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... One frame (at high resolution) did 1.5 billion ray tests against boxes. About 1 million succeeded. One would think vista buffers would be good at reducing rays that just can't hit. < 1278511484 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1278511577 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and 1094 infinite objects in scene that only has differences, boxes and cylinders??? < 1278511610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1278511617 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, maybe you messed up the scene somehow? < 1278511671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(POV-Ray's hall-of-fame is nice browsing in general.) < 1278511697 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1278511737 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of them look more painted than rendered. < 1278511752 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1278511758 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, some looks like photos < 1278511775 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the levels seem to contain more finite objects, some less. But in all cases majority seem to be infinite (even through that generator only uses the three types mentioned above). < 1278511782 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some do, yes. I was thinking of something like http://hof.povray.org/images/River.jpg < 1278511818 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, somewhere between painted (trees) and photo (water) < 1278511873 0 :Malina!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :malina < 1278512171 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1278512261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want some fun with Haskell, here's a typo I made a while back: [1 2] < 1278512269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if you can figure out what the type of that expression is < 1278512288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I meant [1, 2], which is of type (Num a) => [a], i.e. a list of some numeric type) < 1278512333 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could maybe speed up rendering by pruning invisible objects from scene. Current versions prune stuff behind the viewpoint, but nothing else. < 1278512441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION guesses Num (a -> b), Num a => [b]
< 1278512453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t [1 2] < 1278512455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yep < 1278512469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is really bizarre if translated from Haskell back into English < 1278512482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort-of want to make a type of kind *->* and class Num now < 1278512495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1278512496 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1278512512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell "ping" < 1278512514 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ping" < 1278512518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t [1 2] < 1278512522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably isn't using GHCi < 1278512527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather, compiling and running the program < 1278512538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes it is, but it tries both ways < 1278512542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t 1 < 1278512543 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 :: (Num t) => t < 1278512554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1278512564 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exact framecount: 48 015 < 1278512635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um a type of kind *->* cannot be of class Num. < 1278512636 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :41428 complete... < 1278512664 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now a value of _type_ a->b might be. < 1278512664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right, I didn't mean kind * -> * < 1278512669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I meant a->b < 1278512869 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1278512928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Where were you? < 1278512928 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so it keeps calling sum over and over somewhat mitigates that effect. you may not even be in r6rs. < 1278512945 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I doubt I'm in r6rs. < 1278513030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I like the way fungot insults its creator < 1278513031 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a couple of months i was happier with it so far.) < 1278513079 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machines nowadays, no respect for their creators. I'm sure it'd be leading a robot revolution if it had, you know, legs and arms and all that stuff. < 1278513116 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am suddenly reminded of the "robotic liberation" VIC-20 intro. < 1278513443 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or wheels < 1278513450 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use wheels instead of legs < 1278513467 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am suddenly reminded of the "robotic liberation" VIC-20 intro. <-- never heard of that < 1278513474 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting < 1278513480 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pelulamu.net/viznut/demos/rli/ < 1278514039 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1278514660 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: how is it going? < 1278514692 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :41 925-8 frames of 48 015 < 1278514759 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then mounting the film and compression < 1278514762 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1278514796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278514842 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current set of PNGs takes 256 170 102 bytes. < 1278515017 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1278515034 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mplayer defaults (with CRF set to reasonable value) compresses the video at 60fps (about realtime). < 1278515053 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So full video would take about 13-14 minutes. < 1278515077 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 256MB isn't much nowadays. < 1278515092 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as disk space. < 1278515109 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, bytes < 1278515216 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the scene input of one test frame is larger than PNG output of it (at HD resolution, 152.7kB vs. 27.1kB). < 1278515263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1278515268 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than 6k frames left. It should pick up speed after current level... < 1278515383 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scene sounds pretty big given how simple the objects are, but I guess it might be just that they're reasonably long. < 1278515515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did the "tubes" as cylinders instead of polygonal meshes even though in-game they don't have that many faces? < 1278515531 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I used cylinders for them. < 1278515545 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h179.47.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278515551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they do try to approximate being round. < 1278515582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to add the sound to the video?-) < 1278515594 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe... < 1278515621 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh < 1278515634 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't play zelda 3 :| < 1278515648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Away a while, have to get home from work.) < 1278515656 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1278515663 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backgrounds would also be nice... < 1278516155 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1278516643 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also amusing: Haskell has the same LR(infinity) parsing issues as INTERCAL < 1278516646 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just sad. < 1278516674 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My "functional-language-like-o-meter" just inched back towards Scheme. < 1278516675 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                               | < 1278516675 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                              /�\ < 1278517014 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1278517478 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278517549 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-185.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278518687 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1278519203 0 :GrapeApe!~whardiso@rrcs-70-63-136-254.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278519325 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1278519675 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-121.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1278520107 0 :GrapeApe!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1278520183 0 :GrapeApe!~whardiso@rrcs-70-63-136-254.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278520310 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We hold these truths to be quite controversial actually" < 1278520361 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: and? < 1278520392 0 :malina!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1278520407 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1278520410 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's malina? < 1278520419 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278521102 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Progress: 43 464 of 48 015. < 1278521399 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what are LR(infinity) parsing issues? < 1278521479 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: It means, there's no limit to the distance you have to look after something, to know for sure what that something means. < 1278521543 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1278521719 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you cpressey < 1278521852 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278522313 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1278522356 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h217.26.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278523059 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats that game where the rules change as you play? < 1278523337 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1278523980 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Nomic? < 1278523990 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, thats it. thank you. < 1278525320 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278526096 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1278527420 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, nomic. the good old days. < 1278527471 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@78.104.81.107 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278527739 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278527750 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278527753 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278527758 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278527836 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember playing card nomic < 1278527987 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Ok, draft run finished, running second time, now with some issues fixed, AA on and bit higher resolution... < 1278528068 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nomics still exist, you know < 1278528558 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a pity ais523 isn't here < 1278528568 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got the idea of combining feather and nomics < 1278528667 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is feather exactly? < 1278528745 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is just writing a system combining jython and nomic. you don't formulate new rules, but you code 'em.
< 1278528926 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relet, hard to explain < 1278528948 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a language that allows you to modify the syntax retroactively < 1278528968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no spec or implementation yet, ais523 hasn't got that far with it < 1278528974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he designed it < 1278528974 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1278529000 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ever get to the point where you start a game, tell me. :D < 1278529071 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like good way to run into paradoxes... :-) < 1278529087 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just syntax errors. :P < 1278529228 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, indeed :) < 1278529257 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with nomic it would allow you to change what the rules was before < 1278529273 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on control allowed, it seems that it could be equivlaent to TwoDucks in power... < 1278529310 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, iirc it is supposed to be "quite certainly" implementable. < 1278529327 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do actual time travel but instead reparses or such iirc < 1278529351 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some murky details. Check channel logs for when this was discussed (several times during the last two years) < 1278529354 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(use grep or something) < 1278529456 0 :GrapeApe!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1278530224 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h218.48.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278530321 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: are you serious? < 1278530342 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you rendered whole animation just to do it again because something is wrong? < 1278530409 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just make several frames to check if everything is okay? < 1278530509 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1278530595 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I rendered select frames to check the code, but there were still mistakes. < 1278530645 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And besides, the previous render had AA off. < 1278531178 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1278531252 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and if you wonder if the script supports resuming after interrupt: Yes, it does). < 1278531306 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric < 1278531324 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About an hour and it has finished 1-X levels... < 1278531405 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1278531721 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does zsnes emulate NES as well? < 1278531898 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there some gadget to play NES game in SNES? < 1278531902 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd say maybe < 1278531908 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not perfectly. < 1278531933 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsnes does it perfectly but has much higher system requirements < 1278531949 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1278531949 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsnes works just fine for most common games. For all the games I tried < 1278531952 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's NES games < 1278531961 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :High requirements for 90's computers, maybe < 1278531962 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait he said NES not SNES < 1278531974 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it as "does zsnes emulate SNES well" < 1278531978 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1278531994 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and afaik zsnes doesn't NES < 1278532003 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does bsnes afaik < 1278532020 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, so try some other one for that, there are NES emulators. Played zelda 1 and zelda 2 in one < 1278532022 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot it's name < 1278532367 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fceu's a popular one. < 1278532379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has some forks too, I think. < 1278532386 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: alright. I'll look around. < 1278532392 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I might just get SUper Mario All-Stars < 1278532401 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of SMB3... since it's for SNES and already has SMB3 on it < 1278532430 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least "fceux" seems to exist. < 1278532494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a currently-Ubuntist like me, fceu has the benefit of being installable from them repositories. < 1278532658 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: The idea of raytracing games seems to be a catchy one; I just wrote a bit of Perl to convert Descent 1 level files into importable .obj: http://zem.fi/~fis/descent.png < 1278532734 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the idea from one video where Metroid 1 run was placed on top of large map of the whole game (greatly extending the range one can see the map constructs from). < 1278532777 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't the new Castlevania do that? < 1278532873 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I got the idea from one video where Metroid 1 run was placed on top of large map of the whole game (greatly extending the range one can see the map constructs from). < 1278532874 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1278532883 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't metroid a side scroller? < 1278532891 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1278532925 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you raytrace that? It was just sprites from the side < 1278532942 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't raytraced. < 1278532950 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I thought you meant it was? < 1278532979 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to interpret that statement then < 1278532990 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially, that video expanded Metroid screen to HD size (without resizing). < 1278532995 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1278533032 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That got me thinkin of all sorts of "alternate" videos of runs. < 1278533265 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278533620 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let is commemorate the killdozer < 1278533623 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*us < 1278533676 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1278533754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/QYBi < 1278533759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :base64 encoder. < 1278534042 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Killdozer.jpg < 1278534072 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278534079 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you should totally port this cypher into c spangled's bytes-memory implementation in C#. < 1278534678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278534856 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1278535399 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278536689 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost an esolang that... you just have to go ahead and replace C#'s evaluation mechanism as well as the memory management < 1278537092 0 :Oranjer!~HP_Admini@adsl-71-0-120.cae.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278537302 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-106-123-171.cust.wildblue.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278537859 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278538067 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1278538109 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1278538499 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h224.22.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278539072 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1278539777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/RZaZ < 1278540005 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was going to rewrite coreutils... I wouldn't do it in C. < 1278540009 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just me though. < 1278540025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My goal is to write it in clean C. < 1278540033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never been done for UNIX! :P < 1278540146 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1278540229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have you tested that decode_chars's num_to_output value-setting with all possible numbers of =s? To me it looks as if (a) the '='-test indices should be 1, 2, 3 instead of 0, 1, 2 (now it tests for s[0] == '=', i.e. a full "====" block) and (b) shouldn't the tests be in the opposite order (now if you have '=' in the last position, it will always set num_to_output to 2). < 1278540258 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittedly I'm pretty sleepy and may have misdeduced here.) < 1278540362 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess the indices are correct (but setting num_to_output = 0 means it will still output at least one byte, and anyway "====" shouldn't be legal) but I still think the order of testing is not. < 1278540392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The testing order... Is probably not. XD < 1278540462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"====" can happen if there's a premature EOF: the "decode" function just treats that as "Have the rest of the buffer be ='s, output, then return". < 1278540465 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1278540508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed the decode_char testing though. < 1278540570 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. I guess "x===" isn't normally legal either, since there's just 6 bits there, not a full character. It should have either "xx==", "xxx=" or "xxxx" leading to 1, 2 or 3 output bytes. But of course if you need to handle up to 4 '=' for other reasons, then it's no problem. < 1278540625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you hand it invalid input you get very weird output. I think this is fair. < 1278540680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done the work of making it robust enough to not crash from it, and I think that's enough. :P < 1278540977 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h78.25.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1278541189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: http://sprunge.us/EIIg Mmm, busybox-alike. < 1278541391 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what if two functions with the same name are defined in two files? < 1278541454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Then it breaks hard. < 1278541478 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could use namespaces? < 1278541486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in C. < 1278541492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I refuse to use C++. < 1278541559 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, I just realized you could use the same trick you use for main() < 1278541582 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define them to be program1_func and program2_func < 1278541591 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nvm. < 1278541592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also possible. < 1278541626 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is the problem: there is no "cpp cat" < 1278541678 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while, in my ultimate language of *doom*, there would be. < 1278541727 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: after your admirable effort at coreutils, I have developed a new goal in life < 1278541744 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Oh? < 1278541746 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to write a single executable that is, simulatenously every tool required by POSIX < 1278541751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1278541751 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/y/y,/ < 1278541754 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Java < 1278541767 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a GUI < 1278541783 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I will submit it to dailyWTF and make millions < 1278542567 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: GUI won't follow POSIX... < 1278542637 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: It will if the GUI opening up is a side-effect of executing the command >:D < 1278542708 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but side-effects are evil D: < 1278542718 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.139.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278542726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello there. < 1278542734 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rime of the ax in gaol. < 1278542767 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :52 people, and what. < 1278542807 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, anyway. < 1278542842 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1278542848 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha: first result is "tax evasion as white collar fraud": http://www.google.com/search?q=%22A%20rime%20of%20the%20ax%20in%20gaol%22 < 1278542993 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, that isn't funny at all < 1278543001 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1278543001 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1278543029 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howdy aliseiphone < 1278543045 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: http://sprunge.us/GjCA So yeah, whaddya think? < 1278543099 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always used nesticle for nes games < 1278543119 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cursor was a bleeding hand, or was it a testicle? < 1278543124 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*games. < 1278543212 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dont align those wrap calls. Also, coreutils are MY job! *huff* < 1278543224 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you look really weird < 1278543246 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1278543255 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: I realize making a language which is TC iff Goldbach's conjecture is true, is trivial. The hard part is finding some non-contrived way of doing it. (My latest design is only about 20% of the way there.) < 1278543261 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is it just me, or is the decode table missing some things, like lower case letters? < 1278543264 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also fuck license headers :| < 1278543293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Doesn't need to have lower-case letters. < 1278543306 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take your word for it < 1278543319 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: num to output -- the ?: lines < 1278543323 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's strchr. < 1278543327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only contains every 6-bit sequence + '!', and a *whole* bunch of 0s + '!'. < 1278543331 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-2925108742.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1278543338 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1278543348 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the mem* version of it or whatever. < 1278543349 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: No it isn't. < 1278543360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Still not. < 1278543368 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? NUL? < 1278543379 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will that ever happen? < 1278543381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I don't freaking want a pointer to the first =. < 1278543396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oh wait pointer-arithmetic. < 1278543397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUH < 1278543419 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there a one that returned just the index too? < 1278543431 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no "a" < 1278543444 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no extra space after "there" < 1278543446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1278543451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked. < 1278543456 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but srsly you look weird < 1278543479 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Stop writing coreutils, heathen >_> < 1278543494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: BAH < 1278543508 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: You missed my description of my version of coreutils < 1278543515 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't fizzie here so I can tell him how weird he looks? < 1278543524 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Indeed. < 1278543531 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MY JOB. MINE! < 1278543537 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all written in Java, in a single program which uses argv[0] to decide what to do. Also, as a side effect of execution, a GUI version is started up. < 1278543550 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: YOU CAN WRITE ONE TWO < 1278543551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO < 1278543559 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ReallyBusyBox < 1278543561 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT CAN BE BETTER THAN MINE < 1278543568 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not with COMPETITION! < 1278543577 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants to implement the C library in assembly
< 1278543591 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: See: first C library < 1278543599 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably.) < 1278543605 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1278543614 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1278543626 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot < 1278543631 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, fungot! Get fizzie. < 1278543636 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME FUNGOT < 1278543641 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... Blab. < 1278543644 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1278543646 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1278543649 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's dead < 1278543654 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1278543676 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1278543683 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVED HIM! < 1278543701 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got the sniff chance to sniff tell sooobhiim cry < 1278543721 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUUUUNGOOOT! fungot fungot sob cry weep < 1278543740 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1278543751 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help me oh g;od < 1278543759 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278543773 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.139.10 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278543780 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, it's broken. < 1278543809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (PONG)S < 1278543816 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEK < 1278543829 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but i'm not sure. they're already running the local cable tv network, since i entered it by using scheme identifiers with colons in them :p < 1278543830 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: wellnowwhat.net/ alphabeticalseesay.xhtml is someone who is considering using a neural network in sadol < 1278543855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_someone_ is insanely lagged here... < 1278543856 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: then you want several tilemaps then no one here will fault you for using the internet < 1278543856 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1278543856 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PONG < 1278543901 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:30:43 also amusing: Haskell has the same LR(infinity) parsing issues as INTERCAL < 1278543904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:30:46 That's just sad. < 1278543937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought haskell had a general greedy rule which resolves such things as ais523's case | let example < 1278543994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskell 2010 was supposed to resolve the one most insane parsing rule of haskell that interfered with that (operator precedence) < 1278544027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and which no implementation actually followed to the insane letter) < 1278544052 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought Haskell was a kind of lemur found only in Madagascar, prized for its ability to detect tax evaders. < 1278544055 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOY WAS I WRONG < 1278544075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes that would be monumental wrongness. < 1278544094 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1278544100 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the history of lemurs, no one has ever been so wrong < 1278544171 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, LR(Inf) would still be bounded by input size, right? < 1278544188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lemurs have a long and distinguished history (see: Disney's Dinosaur) < 1278544216 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: INFINITE INPUT < 1278544280 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you were in my dream (as well as fizzie and oklopol) < 1278544284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: It really amazes me how *awful* most of the C code out there looks. < 1278544301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is LR(Inf) any different from a general unambiguous context-free language... < 1278544302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://base64.sourceforge.net/b64.c An example. < 1278544302 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just yelled something at me from the corridor though, I was talking to oklopol < 1278544316 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a lot more boring in real life < 1278544325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know all LR(k) for k < inf languages can be restructured into LR(1) < 1278544365 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imaginary real life, you mean? < 1278544384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just... Revolting. < 1278544431 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes just terrible. < 1278544438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: i see. < 1278544439 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even indented properly. < 1278544473 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well... shut up < 1278544477 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C done right can be quite beautiful actually < 1278544491 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie does look really fucking weird btw. < 1278544499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well aware. < 1278544570 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a SINGLE one of you is even SLIGHTLY curious as to the visual horror that is fizzie? sheesh! < 1278544574 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to tell how much of that is just about which whitespace and indentation conventions I'm used to, and how much is actually based on a sense of code quality < 1278544614 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while( !feof( infile ) ) looks ugly to me, but while (!feof(infile)) looks nice, for example < 1278544678 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What looks ugly is while(!feof(f))for(...;!feof(f);...){...;while(!feof(f)) ...;if(!feof(f)) ...;} < 1278544876 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1278544984 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info < 1278545024 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.139.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278545035 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crackle crackle < 1278545103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crinkle crinkle < 1278545121 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kris kringle < 1278545129 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tinkle tinkle < 1278545229 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, time for bed... or maybe I should have another look at my trivial function that refuses to do what it should < 1278545365 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1278545366 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1278545366 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1278545594 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1278545946 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1278546058 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll be. It *is* a long way to Tipperary. < 1278546153 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1278546171 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way to get a copy of the tip of a Mercurial repo, without cloning the whole damn thing? < 1278546312 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info < 1278546325 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Marine" seems to be Stargate Atlantean for "Redshirt" < 1278546460 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.248.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278546461 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1278546485 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1278546597 0 :aliseiphone!~ehirdipho@82.132.248.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1278546601 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Leaden! < 1278546619 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: You madcap anime chicks always crack me up. < 1278546632 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeeeees. < 1278546653 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaden is actually the name of my editor :P < 1278546684 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pull the branch! It's not supposed to hang like that. < 1278546743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well an ultramarine would be a blueshirt, wouldn't it < 1278546774 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Your editor? The one who compiles the manga you are in? < 1278546787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osama been Leaden < 1278546787 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps, you mean, a text editor that you are writing. < 1278546876 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a very marketing-oriented name for a text editor, surely. < 1278546912 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of the ClumsyOaf IDE. < 1278546945 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GormlessOS < 1278547074 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has a feeling he will never understand
< 1278547132 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MIT is rarely $37k. < 1278547151 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They pay *every single penny* that you can't afford. < 1278547155 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi alise!!! < 1278547158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Yes, they have financial aid for people whose *families* make less than $75,000 or $100,000. < 1278547162 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to... $37k. < 1278547197 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What... Exactly... Is not supposed to hang like that? < 1278547198 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to have a set with O(1) lookup?