< 1279497616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ξ Windows won't have that problem.
< 1279497631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it Ψ Windows?
< 1279497644 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither will MS Windows
< 1279497645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.>
< 1279497645 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypernet:<access_type>/<routing_data>/<key_mode>.<key_data>[.<key_numeric_1>.<key_numeric_2>][/<subkey_data>]
< 1279497694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "Hmm. No caps lock key. SET IT ON! FUCK YEAH!"
< 1279497695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ughh.
< 1279497715 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should make a ... thingy that X11 is one of, that's compatible with X but supports.. betterness
< 1279497715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, do tell me. What exactly is 2D acceleration except for "not having a stupid graphical server in between me and the hardware"?
< 1279497731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: being compatible with X11 implies suckiness.
< 1279497757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You can request that the hardware render things to the framebuffer instead of your CPU.
< 1279497765 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only thingies that use the X compatibility need suck!
< 1279497770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hm?
< 1279497773 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypernet URLs are case-insensitive (normally all uppercase except the "hypernet:" at the beginning), access_type is alphabetical, routing_data is zero or more unbounded nonnegative integers with dots in between, key_mode is alphabetical, key_data is alphabetical, key_numeric_ is numeric, subkey_data alternates numerics and alphabetics seperated by dots (starting with numeric).
< 1279497777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You mean that isn't how it usually works?
< 1279497795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Surely the video card just maps a certain part of memory to video memory?
< 1279497805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Without 2D acceleration, you write to the framebuffer. And that's all.
< 1279497831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 2D acceleration, you can have the video card itself perform operations onto the framebuffer.
< 1279497836 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is there some page describing that?
< 1279497837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Like what?
< 1279497845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely CPUs are so fast nowadays that for 2D it doesn't matter...
< 1279497888 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scaling, antialiasing, rotating, alpha channel...
< 1279497896 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1279497904 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's an shttp
< 1279497912 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yup.
< 1279497912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blitting...
< 1279497913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And ... the video card is faster at these than a modern CPU ... how?
< 1279497915 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: No. Not yet
< 1279497917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just .. vector operations.
< 1279497917 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry
< 1279497923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for 3D, yes. But for 2D?
< 1279497934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Video cards are exceptionally, exceptionally good at vector operations.
< 1279497946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oh. Also, color space changes.
< 1279497948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but...
< 1279497961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How complex would a 2D game have to be for the speed of these operations on a modern CPU vs video card to matter?
< 1279497967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was much more relevant 10 years ago than it is today.
< 1279497969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And would it be humanly playable?
< 1279498003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also question: Why are mouse buttons treat as anything but special keypresses?
< 1279498013 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is even goal of hypernet keys? DS is probably indirecting request to data using signatures and static data is probably binding via hash.
< 1279498021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Basically, the only thing that matters much with 2D acceleration any more involves video.
< 1279498047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You're telling me a CPU can't sustain 30 fps?
< 1279498055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With super-optimised memcpy to video memory, say?
< 1279498076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transforming CMYK to RGB, or video scaling, or actual video display from an MPEG stream.
< 1279498093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, but it takes CPU time that could be better spent doing something else.
< 1279498112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but on the other hand, this speed obsession produces DRIVERS.
< 1279498115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, in the case of Flash (which implements all this piss-poorly), doing *fuck all*.
< 1279498117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever used video drivers? Do you still have a soul?
< 1279498127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pretty sure the answers are "yes, no" and this is no coincidence.
< 1279498156 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides he should ignore alise's idea of morality, unless it's code morality
< 1279498167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If you are only going to use well-written software for video rendering, then there is no need for 2D acceleration on vaguely modern hardware.
< 1279498170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what is my idea of morality?
< 1279498192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right then. No hardware accel. in Arbitrary Greek Letter Windows.
< 1279498200 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance: mplayer is exceptionally good at displaying video.
< 1279498207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash sucks giant donkey balls at it.
< 1279498213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (3D will be handled firstly, not at all, and later, by letting you say "Okay, I am going to do insane shit now".)
< 1279498236 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOu seem to have implied that using video card drivers is immoral. Whether it is or not, using blobs is pretty much a necessity
< 1279498240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The WM will then be expected to hand over a chunk of raw video memory corresponding to your window, and access to the video hardware, to you.)
< 1279498243 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, you can handle 3D just fine. Just use Mesa.
< 1279498245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I did not imply that.
< 1279498256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implied that using video drivers is fucking painful.
< 1279498261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They break a lot and they suck.
< 1279498273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's slow. :P
< 1279498274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Mesa wants to do crazy shit instead of just software rendering, well, that's it's darned mess.
< 1279498293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Mesa is the backend for all free-software 3D.
< 1279498305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I thought you meant software rendering.
< 1279498311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, how does Mesa handle acceleration in a window?
< 1279498314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the answer "not"?
< 1279498317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mesa does 3D in general.
< 1279498349 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Yes statis data is binding via hash
< 1279498354 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/statis/static/
< 1279498356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll software render if it has to, it'll do crazy shit if it has to. It takes care of the crazy shit.
< 1279498370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How...?
< 1279498379 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active Worlds in WINE had some issues with attempting to render 3d in a part of a window
< 1279498387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Here is video memory. (Actually, it's some memory belonging to the WM that it will blit to a window for you.)"
< 1279498402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Mesa go from that to "ha ha, I am drawing accelerated 3D all over my window area, video memory"
< 1279498404 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And digital signatures does mean binding by signatures, that it can be changed in the future by whoever has permission to modify it
< 1279498408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, yeah... Uh. That might break its acceleration.
< 1279498420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So it needs direct access to a chunk of video memory, right?
< 1279498436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it needs access to DRI.
< 1279498455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What, the full DRI stuff?
< 1279498462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRI is X only...
< 1279498463 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then also "W" key mode, which means "wiki", allows everyone to edit
< 1279498464 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, both need double the number of bits relative to safety level, so at least 160 bits (256 if you want some security margin).
< 1279498473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sorry, DRM.
< 1279498483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the kernel-side stuff.
< 1279498510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So how would my system support it?
< 1279498519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks
< 1279498521 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Thanks, but is 256 enough?
< 1279498524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A request to the window system saying "plox gimme direct video memory plez".
< 1279498525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1279498563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It would require some trickery, but you could do the same sort of thing that the Xcomposite does.
< 1279498577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What's that?
< 1279498601 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I can allow a variable number of bits
< 1279498601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Uses a GL extension to allow you to accelerate rendering frames to physical memory.
< 1279498630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think handling 3D is too much of a bitch to deal with to start with.
< 1279498659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, and is there a reason that the mouse isn't just two integers in memory that you can read as often as you want (but it'll stay the same if you read quicker than the mouse update speed)?
< 1279498666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, any reason at all?
< 1279498710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No.
< 1279498718 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Since for static case, one hash suffices and for DS case you can treat the signature as static data.
< 1279498724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right. Thought so.
< 1279498762 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is voxelperfect.net broken, or is it just me?
< 1279498773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk: http://esolangs.org/ should work fine.
< 1279498786 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: OK.
< 1279498814 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't :/
< 1279498819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk: dunno then
< 1279498842 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is anyone else having the same problem?
< 1279498843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm, what's a good keyboard interface? Can't just be one memory location, can't just be one location per key; we need some kind of notification mechanism, but I'm trying to keep this simple.
< 1279498858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk: now that you mention it...
< 1279498863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAUEEEEEEEEEE!
< 1279498865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix it!
< 1279498875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue graue graue (he apperas if you call him three times)
< 1279498885 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea in hypernet is all files (including static files) are encrypted, and that hypernet packets can be sent using anything (TCP/IP, UDP, e-mail, HTTP, FTP, fax machine, printed barcodes in books, ham radio, etc)
< 1279498902 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT
< 1279498922 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't work
< 1279498927 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a static file, if you happen to already have a copy (even if you don't know it yet, because it is encrypted), you might be able to retrieve it without sending or receiving anything from anywhere else.
< 1279498940 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For files that can change, you might still be able to do this, but it might be a older version
< 1279499018 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might use a command-line tool to receive/send/request files (and other commands) using hypernet, or the web-browser might support hypernet URLs, or whatever else
< 1279499025 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :site is back online
< 1279499058 0 :jcp_xc2!~amboyd@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1279499110 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypernet shall be fully decentralized, with no dependencies on centralized services, and also entirely free and complete specifications available in the public domain for anyone to read, with only one central authority being the standards organization, to publish the documents describing the protocols, nothing else.
< 1279499147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madk: duh
< 1279499151 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot B A START
< 1279499156 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the government censors internet, they will be unable to censor hypernet!
< 1279499196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is just designing freenet
< 1279499210 0 :jcp_xc2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :jcp_x
< 1279499230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit this laptop is so perfect i love it
< 1279499233 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Another way to transfer hypernet, is using floppy disks or USB file system devices, where the computer you attach it to will read/write the files on it, in order to send you the response (if it knows it), and to pass it on to other disks)
< 1279499274 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard file formats are mostly plain text and gzip (and other compression tools), no HTML or anything like that (although they can still be used if you want to)
< 1279499290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has happened to the trackpad though
< 1279499301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: occasionally my tracks happen in reverse then get stuck
< 1279499302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut?
< 1279499369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes the mouse just dances around
< 1279499378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wut?
< 1279499452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i think it is maybe sweaty or something distorting tracking
< 1279499468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1279499471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using another part of my hand works
< 1279499685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ping
< 1279499698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what was that level of secrecy parodied on agora? UNIVERSALLY TOP SECRET or something
< 1279499702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GALACTICALLY SECRET maybe
< 1279499722 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That creepy shadow contract is dead!
< 1279499731 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, not enforced by Agoran law
< 1279500103 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: don't know
< 1279500105 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ZOMBIE
< 1279500116 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the one parodied?
< 1279500119 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COSMIC TOP SECRET
< 1279500122 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the highest NATO classification
< 1279500164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1279500173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what goethe's argument would be for U.N.D.E.A.D. still existing?
< 1279500185 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1279500190 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was referred to U.N.D.E.A.D.
< 1279500210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: probably there is an argument that it will start existing again when contracts are reintroduced
< 1279500223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, nobody seriously argues when goethe claimed it retroactively changed itself way back when.
< 1279500268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU TRACKPAD
< 1279500270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MAKE IT WORK
< 1279500701 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1279501124 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: do you have a synaptics touchpad?
< 1279501184 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise alise
< 1279501190 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't she saying anything
< 1279501218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a synaptics touchpad.
< 1279501323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: why?
< 1279501336 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what doesn't work?
< 1279501346 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because mine doesn't work either
< 1279501349 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only in lunix
< 1279501354 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works in freakin windows
< 1279501468 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseEeEeEeEeEEeeeEE?
< 1279501473 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
< 1279501519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works
< 1279501522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has an issue
< 1279501557 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1279501558 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what issue?
< 1279501561 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i know how to fix it
< 1279501743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sometimes moves the opposite direction i do. movement often stops, then jerks around a lot if i move some more.
< 1279501749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost impossible to move correctly.
< 1279501762 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try changing from relative to absolute mode
< 1279501768 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the other way around
< 1279501773 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you do it with synclient
< 1279501831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's in a different mode
< 1279501841 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two modes for the synaptics touchpad
< 1279501974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i change it? no such var in synclient, or it seems so
< 1279501974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from -l
< 1279502290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99
< 1279502302 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1279502304 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a sec
< 1279502616 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't remember :-<
< 1279502624 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lwn.net/Articles/38505/      looks similar to your problem
< 1279502636 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://www.pubbs.net/200911/fedora/24583-xorg-synaptics-touchpad-and-absoluterelative-mode.html
< 1279502704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not always reversed
< 1279502705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only sometimes
< 1279502753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears to be fixed.
< 1279502757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1279502994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: that command doesn't do a thing
< 1279503005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, question. How would you structure a keyboard interface?
< 1279503055 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ever you do make sure at least one of the most useful shortcuts is impossible on some keyboard
< 1279503062 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because of matrix limitations)
< 1279503068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I haven't a clue.
< 1279503079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: As an API for accessing a keyboard.
< 1279503148 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.
< 1279503165 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey alise, want to help me figure out why my synaptics touchpad doesn't work?
< 1279503176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no, but i will.
< 1279503182 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3
< 1279503185 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually used my own independent judgement today!
< 1279503191 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible!
< 1279503193 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Well, kind of. I did rely on WOT]
< 1279503210 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't go into any chatrooms to ask if a website was trustworthy, and it's a matter of some importance
< 1279503325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What website?
< 1279503330 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how do we get around to it?
< 1279503340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: first tell me the model of the trackpad.
< 1279503349 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a synaptics ps/2 thing
< 1279503352 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no specific model
< 1279503384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, there is.
< 1279503388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably.
< 1279503392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so what distro are you using
< 1279503396 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu
< 1279503401 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.04 right now
< 1279503413 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked in i think 9.04 or 8.something
< 1279503444 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's an email between me and someone i thought might know http://pastebin.com/cm8CehM8
< 1279503493 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out he didn't :|
< 1279503504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ubuntu 10.04 livecd
< 1279503510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unplug mice
< 1279503511 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have
< 1279503513 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't work
< 1279503521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when you run "xinput list"
< 1279503525 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think at some point they broke the kernel
< 1279503529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong
< 1279503530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for me
< 1279503582 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's listed
< 1279503585 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i paste it in here
< 1279503588 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 6 lines.
< 1279503606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1279503610 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# xinput list
< 1279503610 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎡ Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)]
< 1279503610 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)]
< 1279503610 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎜   ↳ Logitech USB Laser Mouse                	id=9	[slave  pointer  (2)]
< 1279503610 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad              	id=12	[slave  pointer  (2)]
< 1279503611 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎜   ↳ Macintosh mouse button emulation        	id=13	[slave  pointer  (2)]
< 1279503637 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(keyboard is listed afterwards)
< 1279503641 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nymag.com, particularly http://nymag.com/bestdoctors/
< 1279503678 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nymag sounds like the name of a chinese province
< 1279503760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it should work
< 1279503770 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't
< 1279503785 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works in windows (well it did, but now 'doze is broken so i can't boot into it)
< 1279503799 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked in windows for months while not working under ubuntu
< 1279503803 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm certain ubuntu is broken
< 1279503831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i have a synaptics touchpad. i use ubuntu 10.04.
< 1279503832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works.
< 1279503838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a problem.
< 1279503845 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1279503849 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is your driver?
< 1279503864 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lsmod | grep synaptics
< 1279503884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :produces no output :)
< 1279503900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"psmouse", I would bet.
< 1279503920 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1279503921 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1279503993 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what dev does yours spit info out to?
< 1279504093 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you cat it, do you see anything?
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< 1279504199 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can check the device with cat /proc/bus/input/devices)
< 1279504323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to teach me linux :P
< 1279504343 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to be friendly :(
< 1279504350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sok :)
< 1279504375 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you get
< 1279504384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't seem to find a device file
< 1279504398 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat /proc/bus/input/devices
< 1279504401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1279504406 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says synaptics
< 1279504411 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and under that handlers=
< 1279504412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1279504425 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0007 Version=25b1
< 1279504425 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
< 1279504425 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P: Phys=isa0060/serio4/input0
< 1279504425 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S: Sysfs=/devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input8
< 1279504425 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U: Uniq=
< 1279504426 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H: Handlers=mouse2 event8
< 1279504428 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B: EV=b
< 1279504430 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B: KEY=6420 0 70000 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
< 1279504432 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B: ABS=11000003
< 1279504441 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does yours say?
< 1279504442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but e.g. /dev/input/mouse1 never yields anything
< 1279504451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does /dev/input/event6
< 1279504456 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does yours say /dev/input/mouse1
< 1279504457 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1279504462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Handlers=mouse1 event6
< 1279504466 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1279504470 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine doesn't say anything either
< 1279504476 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe i was wrong
< 1279504477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very curious
< 1279504480 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have just had a configuration issue
< 1279504490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: perhaps X11 is "eating" all the input somehow, though that'd be an awful violation of everything if that can actually happen
< 1279504491 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your touchpad does work
< 1279504492 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it
< 1279504493 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1279504494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: what's your Xorg.conf
< 1279504502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it works, apart from this glitch which is almost certainly hardware
< 1279504519 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me look
< 1279504525 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1279504526 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got /etc/X11/xorg.conf
< 1279504528 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cap
< 1279504551 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1279504556 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest version uses HAL
< 1279504561 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest version of ubuntu
< 1279504566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, indeed
< 1279504568 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even before it was using HAL drivers it didn't work
< 1279504580 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Section "Module"
< 1279504580 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Load "synaptics"
< 1279504581 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EndSection
< 1279504583 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just have this
< 1279504585 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have?
< 1279504600 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have something about screen devices but that's all
< 1279504652 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1279504686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i suggest removing xorg.conf
< 1279504694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have none
< 1279504701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it will autodetect the right driver if you do
< 1279504734 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can't be it though
< 1279504745 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's give it a try though
< 1279504764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude it's Linux/X11
< 1279504767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be any fucking thing.
< 1279504855 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's my problem
< 1279504871 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no fucking telling what the signal 'flow' is
< 1279504873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just remove it and restart X :P
< 1279504904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yes, a modern GNOME/X11/GNU/Linux system is hideously overcomplicated.
< 1279504907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers suck, we know this
< 1279504913 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even about complication
< 1279504921 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there was any documentation at all!
< 1279504936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is apparently "Geonic elements"
< 1279504954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: tried it yet? :P
< 1279504968 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a sec, waiting for this video to finish then i'll reboot
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< 1279504975 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D26U26fFojw&feature=player_embedded
< 1279504979 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check it out
< 1279504984 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is into synthesizers
< 1279505003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to reboot ...
< 1279505005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just log out
< 1279505013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X will restart
< 1279505055 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1279505066 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will have to close irc etc
< 1279505066 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right?
< 1279505074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah. since x sucks. :-P
< 1279505079 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking x
< 1279505082 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb
< 1279505085 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1279505718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb cheater99
< 1279505719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any luck?
< 1279505728 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx ^^
< 1279505730 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :(
< 1279505732 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing that did was make my gnome ugly :p
< 1279505752 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, the touchpad doesn't work on the login screen either (it used to but then it broke down completely)
< 1279505795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How on earth did it make gnome ugly?
< 1279505807 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it disabled compiz and the theme
< 1279505818 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it fell back to the way gnome used to look 15 years ago
< 1279505875 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you mean Motif compliant?
< 1279505889 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORT of like this: http://blog.chris.tylers.info/uploads/rhl72-gnome-desktop.png
< 1279505906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: see that just looks usable to me :P
< 1279505911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bit of an old fart ...
< 1279505936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a no-nonsense GUI thing with unantialiased fonts.
< 1279505952 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so alise
< 1279505957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, then, I'm the guy using Fluxbox.
< 1279505957 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you an old fart
< 1279505958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1279505962 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're supposed to be a teenager
< 1279506018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: magic.
< 1279506021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeck, fluxbox.
< 1279506031 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so what do we do about the thing now?
< 1279506040 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's look at your HAL info
< 1279506045 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe??
< 1279506056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh i'm only 14, that information is PRIVATE
< 1279506061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about you paste yours :-P
< 1279506165 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you get when you do ls -R /etc/hal/fdi
< 1279506166 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1279506249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ ls -R /etc/hal/fdi/
< 1279506249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/hal/fdi/:
< 1279506249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :information  policy  preprobe
< 1279506249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/hal/fdi/information:
< 1279506249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/hal/fdi/policy:
< 1279506250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferences.fdi
< 1279506252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/etc/hal/fdi/preprobe:
< 1279506267 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it?
< 1279506290 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are you sure you have no xorg.conf or Xorg.conf in /etc/X11?
< 1279506313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and certain.
< 1279506323 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything else under /etc/hal ?
< 1279506338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1279506354 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there about synaptics in preferences.fdi?
< 1279506356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lshal reports that psmouse is being used for something, though under the synaptics device itself it actually lists no driver. queer.
< 1279506371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my xinput:
< 1279506374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎡ Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)]
< 1279506374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)]
< 1279506374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎜   ↳ SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad              	id=11	[slave  pointer  (2)]
< 1279506374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎜   ↳ Macintosh mouse button emulation        	id=12	[slave  pointer  (2)]
< 1279506374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :⎣ Virtual core keyboard                   	id=3	[master keyboard (2)]
< 1279506375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard             	id=5	[slave  keyboard (3)]
< 1279506377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ↳ Power Button                            	id=6	[slave  keyboard (3)]
< 1279506379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ↳ Video Bus                               	id=7	[slave  keyboard (3)]
< 1279506381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ↳ Power Button                            	id=8	[slave  keyboard (3)]
< 1279506383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ↳ Chicony USB 2.0 Camera                  	id=9	[slave  keyboard (3)]
< 1279506385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :    ↳ AT Translated Set 2 keyboard            	id=10	[slave  keyboard (3)]
< 1279506390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no
< 1279506397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just something about hotpluggable storage
< 1279506471 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a thing called 11-x11-synaptics.fdi
< 1279506478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sends the world's most evil HTTP query to tinyurl.
< 1279506482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses.
< 1279506487 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <h1>414 - Request-URI Too Long</h1>
< 1279506490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To filebin, then.
< 1279506560 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll upload my lshal
< 1279506590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://filebin.ca/hbrppf/timemachine.tex Thoughts?
< 1279506634 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://pastebin.com/QxpPVDyq
< 1279506689 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's not the WHOLE thing :p
< 1279506826 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/GUuXCpr8
< 1279506839 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi
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< 1279506934 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heyyy
< 1279506968 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, my.. I'm not alone in this universe, am I?
< 1279506974 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1279506975 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise
< 1279506976 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need ideas
< 1279506977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, not Century Schoolbook :(
< 1279506980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: sec.
< 1279506984 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK GOODNESS
< 1279506989 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway
< 1279506994 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok alise!
< 1279506995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anachronism, not good for fiction.
< 1279506998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: sec
< 1279507020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1279507021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  input.x11_driver = 'synaptics'  (string)
< 1279507021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1279507021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  input.x11_options.SHMConfig = 'on'  (string)
< 1279507023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have this line
< 1279507025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Better font por favor?
< 1279507028 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I fixed a bug in M-Code, if it interests you. It was preventing commented code from parsing correctly.
< 1279507035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Preferably one that's not a pain to obtain?
< 1279507037 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have this line?
< 1279507039 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1279507041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i suggest removing /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi
< 1279507043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows why
< 1279507053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmm
< 1279507054 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have the line with shmconfig?
< 1279507058 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or with x11_driver?
< 1279507073 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you listed two lines but only talk about one.
< 1279507078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Also, those your only complaints?
< 1279507083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: maybe Minion? (It's an anachronism but inspired by ancient designs, so...) and it's originally postscript, so should be quite easy to find
< 1279507085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only complaints so far
< 1279507096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make a pdf or ps of it? i'm extraordinarily lazy
< 1279507097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: indeed.
< 1279507101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i have neither of those lines
< 1279507104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi somewhere and nuke it
< 1279507104 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1279507108 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1279507117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Just lemme upload.
< 1279507119 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you sure the original text had en dashes -- instead of em dashes ---?
< 1279507147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Gutenberg did. That may well be an error.
< 1279507174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If it had -- in plaintext, that is often used to denote em dash.
< 1279507176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so in TeX.
< 1279507188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. Sed away, then.
< 1279507247 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try and reboot now
< 1279507252 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1279507278 0 :jillsmitt!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1279507297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Was the original text written with single quotes?
< 1279507300 0 :jillsmitt!~quassel@95.58.170.163 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1279507304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes.
< 1279507319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It has several chapters in a single quotation.
< 1279507328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With double-quotes used within the single quote.
< 1279507347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, I forgot H. G. Wells was completely insane.
< 1279507352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have spaces at the end of lines. You might want to rectify that.
< 1279507353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "several chapters" I mean "almost all of it".
< 1279507382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have an \emph{} of a sentence with the . outside it, but an \emph{} of the start of a quotation with the ` inside it.
< 1279507389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest setting it as `\emph{I} instead.
< 1279507392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bug.
< 1279507422 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1279507426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I'm going to only update the PDF once I fix everything you list here. :P
< 1279507459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. There's several em-dashes here used for an interrupted sentence with spaces before them.
< 1279507462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is wrong.
< 1279507484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would M-q all of the text
< 1279507486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*text.
< 1279507494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-q?
< 1279507497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Emacs
< 1279507499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refills text.
< 1279507503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right.
< 1279507504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1279507508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no trickery. I don't want to waste this model, and then be told I'm
< 1279507508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a quack.''
< 1279507511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The opening quote is just a `.
< 1279507513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace '' with '.
< 1279507527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, booog.
< 1279507534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :booog? :P
< 1279507542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bug, but more oo-gy.
< 1279507544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, H. G. Wells loved his dashes.
< 1279507549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did.
< 1279507572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like typographic symbols were new to him or something.
< 1279507597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\chapter*[Epilogue]{\textsc{Epilogue}}
< 1279507600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the *?
< 1279507610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes it not have a number assigned.
< 1279507610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't that say "Chapter Epilogue"?
< 1279507618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it'll say "Epilogue".
< 1279507625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1279507659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then I'd like to see the PDF.
< 1279507689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme get Minion set up and just double-check for remaining stupidities.
< 1279507707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minion may not fit the text. I am not sure. But it should be easy to get working since it's a postscript font.
< 1279507800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reflows
< 1279507836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm finding it hard to find Minion on a torrent site.
< 1279507842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There needs to be a site for typophile pirates. Yarr.
< 1279507846 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1279507922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, install Adobe Reader.
< 1279507929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This gets you Minion Pro as an otf.
< 1279507939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convert them into Type1.
< 1279507943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/minionpro/.
< 1279507967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I recommend doing this instead of XeTeX because the packages give enhanced support.)
< 1279507972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lglinux.blogspot.com/2007/09/myriad-and-minion-for-latex.html
< 1279507987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd like to see the current PDF anyway, though.
< 1279507991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Awesome.
< 1279508005 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-14-5.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1279508084 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: nothing
< 1279508088 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: we need mo' ideas
< 1279508104 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1279508112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i suggest reinstalling
< 1279508114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1279508116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like windows.
< 1279508141 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will reinstall you
< 1279508143 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1279508145 0 :jcp_x!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1279508162 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a 10.04 livecd
< 1279508169 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing doesn't work on it either
< 1279508177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1279508179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install gentoo :-P
< 1279508187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentoo solves all problems given infinite patience
< 1279508193 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not being helpful :<
< 1279508202 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1279508250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i no rite
< 1279508302 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon alise
< 1279508305 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be a star
< 1279508307 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come up with something
< 1279508316 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were supposed to be smart with computars
< 1279508317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://filebin.ca/wrkhx/timemachine.pdf
< 1279508320 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1279508334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: only with things that obey the rules of logic
< 1279508337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux is a mystery to me
< 1279508391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs Adobe Reader for the sole purpose of having its fonts
< 1279508398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: damn, i really want to show you my The Metamorphosis now
< 1279508401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beautiful
< 1279508410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the Q in that garamond
< 1279508413 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: linux obeys rules of logic, it runs on a turing machine
< 1279508416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Anyways, thoughts on the text ATM?
< 1279508483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yeah if you believe that stuff
< 1279508492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the text itself is fine, of course, only formatting issues are to talk about :-P
< 1279508492 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i do
< 1279508501 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: u just don't want 2 hlp me :<
< 1279508503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i do not like your chapter headings much
< 1279508524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have the font be bigger, perhaps bold, the dashes to be shorter, and there be more space between the number and the dashes
< 1279508527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's just my preference
< 1279508558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also, the man's name is H. G. Well,s not H.G. Wells. Probably.
< 1279508564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Wells
< 1279508566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Wells,
< 1279508585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: XD
< 1279508593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1279508613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's probably not H.G.
< 1279508648 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my initials are cooler
< 1279508704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C. H. Eater XCIX
< 1279508717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Charles Harold Eater XCIX
< 1279508739 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1279508761 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my first names goes back so far i'm like the 5th or something in line
< 1279508792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Any other thoughts on the formatting?
< 1279508794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know someone with the most awesome name ever but i don't think i'll reveal it for the sheer awesomeness
< 1279508805 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it
< 1279508824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'm not so sure printing THE TIME MACHINE on every verso page is productive.
< 1279508831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might move the page numbers there instead.
< 1279508840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1279508842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*every recto page
< 1279508906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also, make sure every chapter starts on a recto page.
< 1279508911 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALISe
< 1279508915 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise
< 1279508922 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that name
< 1279508928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay.
< 1279508935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it does
< 1279508936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1279508939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: nope
< 1279508952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i think your chapter starter pages have too much blank space
< 1279508952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Memoir class takes care of *that*. ;)
< 1279508958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at it in dual mode in your favourite pdf viewer
< 1279508963 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a long dip down compared to the previous page
< 1279508971 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be a little toot
< 1279508973 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me
< 1279509093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaddup
< 1279509131 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you mention it then
< 1279509152 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to torture us?
< 1279509153 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
< 1279509195 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hmm, that really is a lot of blank space.
< 1279509279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yeh
< 1279509288 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1279509289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i decided not to after i checked and it was trivially googleable
< 1279509293 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u'r hateful
< 1279509317 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y r u hateful? :< <
< 1279509321 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1279509346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ
< 1279509503 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that I have never eaten a hamburger
< 1279509513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad's a bit paranoid about Mad Cow disease
< 1279509524 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, there hasn't really been an outbreak in, how long?
< 1279509527 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1279509535 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's probably safer to eat a hamburger than get in a car
< 1279509539 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1279509542 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by "outbreak" you mean "case", several years
< 1279509562 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bear in mind this disease has delayed effect
< 1279509568 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have it for deeecaaadesss
< 1279509588 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION paranoiafuels
< 1279509599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Y'know what'd be cool (if painful)?
< 1279509620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make a book entirely by hand, using moving type.
< 1279509624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A clockwork urethra?
< 1279509624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1279509634 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha clockwork urethra.
< 1279509642 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have an urethra, you're a girl.
< 1279509649 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly kid.
< 1279509664 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <cheater99> you don't have an urethra, you're a girl.
< 1279509668 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :196|<cheater99> you don't have an urethra, you're a girl.
< 1279509689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure i do have a urethra :P
< 1279509693 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, HackEgo's working again!
< 1279509693 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"People with a biologic relative who has been diagnosed with CJD or vCJD are unable to donate."
< 1279509707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Creating a single book with movable type, though, would be really silly.
< 1279509729 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you mean books weren't made with movable type?
< 1279509729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome, but really silly.
< 1279509732 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused
< 1279509733 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should create a book with one of those labeling tools
< 1279509736 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that make strips
< 1279509741 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one letter by letter
< 1279509754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Modern books are not made with movable type.
< 1279509776 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes, but when movable type was invented...
< 1279509783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: BTW, by single book, I mean a *single book* being printed. Literally, print exactly one copy.
< 1279509810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, when movable type was invented books had already existed for ages.
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< 1279509872 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like an extremely effective way to spend your time
< 1279509890 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 years?
< 1279509894 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for CJD?
< 1279509897 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nightmares
< 1279509926 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1279509928 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has CJD
< 1279509929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: It'd be the ultimate in expensive bookery.
< 1279509945 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1279509956 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about as cool as..
< 1279509956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if I used gold leaf or something.
< 1279509970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cow meat today is fairly safe though, right?
< 1279509972 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a multithreading operating system writen in machine code with a hex editor.
< 1279509974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to screen it?
< 1279509982 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after writing it out in pencil on paper.
< 1279509983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, the only way this book could be more crazy-awesome is if I took up calligraphy."
< 1279510005 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calligraphy is ten times faster than movable type page setup.
< 1279510031 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it takes more time to learn, I'm sure.
< 1279510044 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, movable type setup is probably really freaking painstaking.
< 1279510096 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. Are multiple copies of a single page done at once?
< 1279510131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... Yes, that's how movable type normally works.
< 1279510141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You set up the type for a page, and then print off many copies.
< 1279510150 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so I _do_ get it
< 1279510152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*This is the whole reason movable type was revolutionary*.
< 1279510175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took barely any extra effort to print off 2, 3, or 3000 copies of a book.
< 1279510184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so, mass media was invented.
< 1279510234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(woodblock printing, invented much earlier, was a bit less revolutionary cause carving books into wood is a motherfucking pain.)
< 1279510256 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understood the multiple copies thing, but just didn't realize it was multiple copies of one page at a time
< 1279510282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... How else could it possibly work?
< 1279510296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, having a fully set frame for each page? Ugh.
< 1279510303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know, but it just sounded wrong somehow
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< 1279510903 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird, taking a drug that can be so dangerous to treat such mild discomfort
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< 1279511248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abc
< 1279511249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what?
< 1279511265 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Paracetamol
< 1279511270 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a very minor headache
< 1279511371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's all sorts of scary.
< 1279511436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever taken more than 500mg in a 24h period
< 1279511452 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well below the recommended dose
< 1279511482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you've taken alcohol... Seriously, for the love of god, don't even think about touching that shit.
< 1279511497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't drink
< 1279511511 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is that "ever" taken alcohol, or taken alcohol recently?
< 1279511518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Recently.
< 1279511536 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you taking paracetamol for a headache?
< 1279511537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That produces almost-instant liver failure.
< 1279511548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's a common painkiller.
< 1279511567 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing here, this headache was very minor
< 1279511594 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even help that much
< 1279511620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"overdoses of paracetamol can cause potentially fatal liver damage; [..] in rare individuals, a normal does can do the same"
< 1279511634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know. It's a painkiller that doesn't kill pain that well.
< 1279511642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/does/dose/
< 1279511650 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it seemed to help with a recent severe headache
< 1279511658 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that could have been placebo effect, I guess
< 1279511659 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I actually take something, it'll be ibuprofen
< 1279511674 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I prefer to avoid those sort of things
< 1279511677 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently aspirin is really hard on the stomach?
< 1279511681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ibuprofen or naproxen sodium work well, I've found.
< 1279511687 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aspirin is really hard on the body generally
< 1279511706 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aspirin works, but it's harder on the stomach than most things.
< 1279511716 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Ibuprofen's downside? They all seem to have one
< 1279511732 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :downside: you're taking a drug
< 1279511776 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ibuprofen has a minor antiplatlet effect.
< 1279511821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can also cause: nausea, dyspepsia, gastrointestinal ulceration/bleeding, raised liver enzymes, diarrhea, constipation, epistaxis, headache, dizziness, priapism, rash, salt and fluid retention, and hypertension.
< 1279511824 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, bad if you have severe cut, bad if you have a minor cut, or bad if you are ... that condition that doesn't let bleeds stop
< 1279511825 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1279511833 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1279511835 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :headache? That would be ironic
< 1279511843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and DEATH.
< 1279511887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah, most drugs have these sorts of possible side effects.
< 1279511900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be surprised if there wasn't one that didn't have the possibility of nausea.
< 1279511935 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean that Paracetamol's hardness on the liver isn't its only side effect?
< 1279511941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1279512105 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ambiguous "no"
< 1279512113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paracetamol can also cause stomach bleeding, and calcify kidneys.
< 1279512116 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1279512130 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1279512133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have no idea what a calcified kidney is, and I don't want to know.)
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< 1279512832 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just occured to me that I'm glad my mouthwash is non-alcoholic
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< 1279515000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/ehmnsc/TenpopinanpaWan.pdf
< 1279515024 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, LaTeX can get decent results from logographic Toki Pona.
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< 1279515620 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: latex or xetex
< 1279515712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: That's XeTeX.
< 1279515721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much Unicode for normal TeX.
< 1279515734 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know
< 1279515740 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why did you say LaTeX?????????????????????????????
< 1279515756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LaTeX is a macro package for TeX.
< 1279515770 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And XeTeX is an implementation of the TeX language.
< 1279515777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1279515785 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you asked is basically like "GTK+ or C".
< 1279515793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry.
< 1279515796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GTK+ or GCC".
< 1279515799 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not mutually exclusive.
< 1279515799 0 :coppro!~coppro@unaffiliated/coppro JOIN :#esoteric
< 1279515822 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XeTeX is more than just an implementation of TeX
< 1279515866 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is typically okay to say "latex" as if it were its own program
< 1279515869 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore etc
< 1279515893 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1279515986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, xelatex. Happy?
< 1279517276 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1279517287 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so pissed pikhq now can you give me money please? :(
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< 1279519726 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i h8 ubuntu
< 1279519728 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1279519755 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naze?
< 1279519949 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good feed reader?
< 1279520013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget
< 1279520225 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no
< 1279520229 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wget is too bloated
< 1279520244 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want something lightweight like term
< 1279521213 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, ##cs was started today
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< 1279528981 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what's that then?
< 1279528998 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: exactly what it sounds like
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< 1279529063 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash hash cee ess? :P a channel for generic computer science?
< 1279529073 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
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< 1279529222 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the equation of a computer
< 1279529242 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: 3 = x
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< 1279545613 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of program should I try and write in my esoteric language M-code?
< 1279545618 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an idea
< 1279545674 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I alone?
< 1279545682 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does no other life exist in this universe?
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< 1279546262 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've usually -- if at all feasible -- just written a yet another Befunge(-93) interp, but that's just a personal idiosyncrasy, not a real suggestion.
< 1279546452 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be writing this in a separate esoteric language
< 1279546459 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look very easy to do
< 1279546475 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A BrainF*ck interpreter is complicated enough
< 1279546637 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nooo I'm alone agaiin
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< 1279546871 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing really looks like it'd benefit (in the "easier to do stuff" sense) from an assembler that'd support labels, but maybe that's just too boringering.
< 1279546929 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that wouldn't be too difficult. I had them at one point in early development, but I took them out
< 1279546935 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get on that now
< 1279546940 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make some things a bit easier :P
< 1279546992 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing is, I'm also trying to hunt down a bug
< 1279546993 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1279546999 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put the bug on hold, I suppose
< 1279547320 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assembler with labels?
< 1279547324 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually working on such a thing.
< 1279547366 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some skeleton code written in Haskell. the only thing missing is the instruction parsing and machine code output parts. But all the helper functions have been made so it'll be a breeze
< 1279547388 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An assembler without labels is a sad assembler, after all.
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< 1279547397 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1279547402 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should check out M-code on the wiki
< 1279547428 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, labels getting close to done
< 1279547591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did take a peek; it looked refreshingly low-levely. (Though I was a bit distracted by the use of the words push/pop for register load/store; it's not doing anything stack-related, after all.)
< 1279547797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also made me want to write another of those GCC computed-goto driven interps for it, but I don't really have the time, and it wouldn't be anything especially clever anyhow.
< 1279548110 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :labels get.
< 1279548119 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to make them work for all the bit versions
< 1279548596 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploading
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< 1279549090 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added labels and made the interpreter source just a little cleaner in the process. Also fixed a minor internal bug regarding the "|" symbol.
< 1279549091 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://floatation.webs.com/M-Code.zip
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< 1279549424 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added labels
< 1279549445 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is a link to what M-code is
< 1279549590 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki
< 1279549594 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just search m-code
< 1279549599 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link me
< 1279549632 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/M-code
< 1279549632 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lazzzzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
< 1279549667 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok looks boring :S:S:S:SS:S:S:S:S:S:S:S
< 1279549687 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1279549697 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't take this to be negative.
< 1279549703 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at it for at most 30 seconds.
< 1279549709 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I only have a superficial opinion.
< 1279549710 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-.
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< 1279549941 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-oh
< 1279549948 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my labels might be broken
< 1279550189 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: why is it malfunctioning
< 1279550214 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call it M-code for a reason
< 1279550216 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kid
< 1279550245 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put a couple label addresses into the register to output them, and it's showing 0
< 1279550261 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my program says it's not 0
< 1279550374 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :._.
< 1279550389 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something funny is going on
< 1279550407 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pre-runtime the label's value is 40
< 1279550424 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometime between then and the output command in the source it became 62
< 1279550686 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened that it jujst doesn't work all of a sudden ._.
< 1279550725 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
< 1279550727 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d'oh
< 1279550735 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that's the onl issue though
< 1279550748 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot to reset a variable when I had to separate parsing into two passes
< 1279550775 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURRA-oh wait
< 1279550784 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first issue persists
< 1279550834 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooooooh
< 1279550838 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid me
< 1279550866 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot that > puts a value at an address into the register, not the actual value
< 1279550873 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid stupid stupid -.-;
< 1279550907 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an alternate stack assignment to make it so you can pass like a constant into a register
< 1279550971 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theeere we go
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< 1279551166 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, good
< 1279551169 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works now
< 1279551189 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEBBU
< 1279551196 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are become my test subject
< 1279551214 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ?
< 1279551229 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you're the only other person here atm
< 1279551232 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not free for me to become test subject
< 1279551272 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Soviet IRC Channel, test subject becomes YOU.
< 1279551274 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/M-code
< 1279551282 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write some simple program or something in it
< 1279551312 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need help bug-hunting, but nobody is doing anything with it
< 1279551357 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>[64]j[8]$8}[32].i[9]}[9]?[8];_$32Hello,[32]world!$64[45] ?
< 1279551447 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an example.
< 1279552017 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well? anything?
< 1279552193 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHiuFEKmJw&feature=related
< 1279552331 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WMG'd?
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< 1279554309 0 :Madk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1279554378 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1279560470 0 :choochter!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: lang may yer lum reek..
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< 1279564236 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rich
< 1279564369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh?
< 1279564399 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GSOC paid me the midterm
< 1279564428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1279566201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ill-gotten gains.
< 1279566217 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so
< 1279566265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Google money is made by murdering.
< 1279566378 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted
< 1279567013 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes you a murderer
< 1279567030 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be evil - or we kill you
< 1279567248 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry
< 1279567250 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't be evil - that's our turf.
< 1279567251 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google isn't evil
< 1279567255 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know that
< 1279567295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Remember back a while ago when we were talking about boring fake-quines? I wrote a really silly Perl fake-one: http://sprunge.us/fUYE?perl
< 1279567350 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the 0; for
< 1279567359 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fake quine is one that prints its own source file?
< 1279567370 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an "EOF" status report from the source-filter sub.
< 1279567401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The filter examples had an unadorned expression instead of an explicit return, so I put in one too.
< 1279567429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's of course an almost identical one using the magical DATA filehandle, too: http://sprunge.us/YEZF?perl
< 1279567498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl Hm
< 1279567507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1279567513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl hm
< 1279567519 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1279567534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`No output.
< 1279567536 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1279567553 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, a HackEgo quine.
< 1279567560 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lacks the `.
< 1279567596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^hm...
< 1279567707 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately fungot says "Mismatched []." if there's an unterminated loop in bf; if the message were something like "Unterminated [" you could sort-of count "^bf Unterminated [".
< 1279567707 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and using actual wav files might give too much: http://www.call-with-current-continuation.org/ manual/ interpreter-command-line-format.html'
< 1279567735 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf .]
< 1279567735 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mismatched [].
< 1279567739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul  ...bad insn!
< 1279567739 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1279567763 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given how trivial actual quining is in Underload, going via error messages is a bit silly.
< 1279567809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ^echo
< 1279567809 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ^echo
< 1279567832 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool No.
< 1279567845 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it accepts an argument, unfortunately.
< 1279567856 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping you didn't check for that.
< 1279567885 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style Not found.
< 1279567885 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1279567938 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^str Usage: ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]
< 1279567939 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]
< 1279567960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^str 0 get
< 1279567960 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^str 0 get
< 1279567972 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, so I set it to that in a query.)
< 1279567973 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^str 0 set foo
< 1279567973 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set: foo
< 1279567975 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^str 0 get
< 1279567975 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo
< 1279567983 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have uncovered your misdeeds!
< 1279568048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def Usage: ^def <command> <lang> <code>
< 1279568048 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: ^def <command> <lang> <code>
< 1279568053 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it perhaps getting a bit silly?
< 1279568058 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very.
< 1279568066 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of these lack the ^cmd bit at the beginning anyway.
< 1279568082 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, I do count
< 1279568088 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aSS):aSS
< 1279568088 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS
< 1279568095 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a quine-example for Underload.
< 1279568106 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So those are just "str" and "def" quines.
< 1279568109 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only because Underload itself doesn't need the ^ul.
< 1279568125 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, anything is a quine like that. :-P
< 1279568147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither do the str and def commands "itself" need the prefix, it's just there for the benefit of the bot. Ahem. Okay, I'll stop rationalizing.
< 1279568204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^asc 53.
< 1279568204 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :53.
< 1279568213 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now I'll really stop.
< 1279568221 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(~:SaS:aSS)~:SaS:aSS
< 1279568222 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(~:SaS:aSS)~:SaS:aSS
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< 1279568353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^
< 1279568353 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(~:SaSaS(:^)S):^
< 1279568358 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a tiny bit shorter.
< 1279568377 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds
< 1279568378 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu
< 1279568401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adapted it from the ^ul/+ul toggle-quine I wrote back then when we had a +ul bot:
< 1279568403 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (^ul )(+ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^
< 1279568403 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ul (+ul )(^ul )(~:SaS~aSaS(:^)S):^
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< 1279568642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS(:^)S):^
< 1279568642 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aS(:^)S):^
< 1279568824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't buy you much over the "usual" (:aSS):aSS, except that perhaps some "explicit language" filters won't trip.
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< 1279570988 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul $(window).scrollTo('#disclaimer');
< 1279570988 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn!
< 1279571229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been peeking at the manual of the DSP chip (TI C64x+ series) they've put in my phone; it seems quite a spiffy thing. "64 general-purpose 32-bit registers and eight functional units -- [each of which contains:] two multipliers, six ALUs". (It's a VLIW thing to drive all those units in parallel.)
< 1279571278 0 :FireFly|n900!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1279575915 0 :Guest82424!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :?
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< 1279579174 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgency is present in this air. I wonder from where?
< 1279579184 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523.
< 1279579192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1279579263 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just sprayed an awful lot of aerosol and the air is still. I never knew air could smell this bad.
< 1279579303 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smell just bad or unusual kind of bad? :-)
< 1279579335 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that unusual kind of bad is very difficult to describe to someone that hasn't experienced it).
< 1279579448 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the worst smells I have ever run across: "Pineapple scented" liquid soap. That smelled _REALLY_ HORRIBLE.
< 1279579529 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In contrast, paint that is infamous for its smell wasn't that bad.
< 1279579545 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auuugggh google just "improved" their image search.
< 1279579574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Hail, aliseiphone.
< 1279579579 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smells like teen spirit.
< 1279579584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: When do you regain freedom?
< 1279579603 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ehm?
< 1279579614 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 Aug I become daypatient.
< 1279579617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Like, "no longer have to reside in the unit".
< 1279579620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kthx.
< 1279579630 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Unusual and bad.
< 1279579644 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like aerosol ... Without the smell.
< 1279579656 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Throwing a party?
< 1279579696 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Google are "improving" your "life".
< 1279579714 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of smell that feels like it is outside the space of smells, but still is felt as bad smell.
< 1279579717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Yes, I shall find a political party and throw them out a window.
< 1279579771 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later that day I ran into that soap I smelled some real pineapples. Not one of the best smells, but it wasn't bad smell either.
< 1279579866 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which?
< 1279579893 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about the Tories? Then we get a nice Lib Dem government.
< 1279579900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: Select one at random. I shall repeat until there's a lack of political parties.
< 1279579916 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1279579923 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things?
< 1279579974 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, just throw out all the Tories and (in the US) Republicans.
< 1279579983 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things, indeed.
< 1279579998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby moving us at least a few steps towards having discussion happen instead of rants.
< 1279580088 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah because Dems are sane.
< 1279580097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: More so than the Republicans.
< 1279580102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is not saying much mind.
< 1279580108 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US operates on a 1.25 party system.
< 1279580138 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1279580156 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/3 republican, 2/3 democrat, and everyobody else?
< 1279580164 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Whereas Canada operates on a 0.75 party system.
< 1279580188 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no, the GOP is one
< 1279580199 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the dems are almost the gop
< 1279580216 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1279580219 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with only .25 actually distinct party
< 1279580551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliseiphone: The "Democrats" range from the slightly more sane neoconservatives to literal, honest-to-god communists.
< 1279580567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very, very broad party. Getting them to do anything is like herding cats.
< 1279580585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Republicans range from the slightly less sane neoconservatives to literal, honest-to-god fascists.
< 1279580601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very, very well-defined party. Getting them to do anything is like getting lemmings to jump off a cliff.
< 1279580624 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the Republicans' strength
< 1279580661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convince them that it's in their favor to make Congress not do anything, and fuck it, that's what they'll do.
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< 1279580899 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in a bit
< 1279580903 0 :aliseiphone!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Get Colloquy for iPhone! http://mobile.colloquy.info
< 1279581143 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I'm using NO SCRIPT WHATSOEVER - Download it at file:///dev/null
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< 1279583477 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus
< 1279583487 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, why isn't alise here?
< 1279583630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<aliseiphone> back in a bit
< 1279583710 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined variable 'aliseiphone' at line 5, column 23