< 1282004577 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1282004712 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282004828 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the reflective version of (what I was talking about) still does apply to Turing machines, at least. It's just a formulation of the HP where the input is "me" instead of "another machine like me". < 1282004889 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Eightebed is nearing completion. I have the runtime support built, I think, I just need to test it. < 1282004900 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282005056 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L8R D00DZ < 1282005060 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1282006104 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282006212 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever use inverted logic to make your programs more efficient? < 1282006395 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I never don't refrain from avoiding that < 1282006395 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282006487 0 :wareya!~wareya@74.70.142.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282008288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAH < 1282008298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN FIX ALL THAT IS WRONG WITH THE MUSIC PLAYING ON HERE < 1282008301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1282008303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1282008308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rockbox supports SDL. < 1282008314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1282008315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1282008317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no man < 1282008318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful < 1282008319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1282008322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean pixi < 1282008323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not computer < 1282008324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1282008324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1282008335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite satisfied with music playing on my desktop. < 1282008349 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Rockbox is not bad for portable playing. A bit rough UI-wise, but not bad. < 1282008358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has doom < 1282008375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1282008382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pixi can run it natively, as well. < 1282008392 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing a program with SDL, now. < 1282008458 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to bother getting the cross compiler. < 1282008551 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what the sample rate is of a PC speaker? < 1282008662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1282008727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do you ever use inverted logic to make your programs more efficient? < 1282008728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? < 1282008729 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should seem that a program that emulates it should ideally use only sample rates which are either a multiple of the PC speaker rate or a factor of the PC speaker rate. < 1282008783 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: By inverted logic like that, I mean storing various boolean and bit fields in the inverted way than normal, in some cases but not all cases. < 1282008788 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282008829 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sort of like how electronic circuits sometimes do; they might put a bar over the signal name or put a circle on the pin in the diagram) < 1282008902 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In CZZT, the video_mem.flash_state variable is toggled between 0x7F and 0xFF < 1282008923 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where 0x7F means blinking text is displayed, and 0xFF means blinking text is hidden.) < 1282008979 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully, does this way of storing the values makes sense to you, or not? < 1282009252 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 1 means block the option, 0 means unblocked? < 1282009265 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just redefining the use of boolean values < 1282009281 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282009293 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: Depending on which way is more efficient you might use 0 for blocked or 1 for blocked, it depends on the program. < 1282009368 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282009378 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the blinking text case, however, normal boolean values (0 and 1) are not used, instead 0xFF and 0x7F are used, and there is a reason for that < 1282011110 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/7s5jc.jpg < 1282011115 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the greatest thing every, i think < 1282011622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i love the best party < 1282011635 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i cant disagree < 1282011676 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel its like what simon pegg's political party would be like if he had one < 1282011689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing is < 1282011706 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get the feeling that icelanders are some of the most care free nutballers on the planet < 1282011711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it'll do a world of good for reykjavík < 1282011715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since he's actually, you know < 1282011716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not evil < 1282011723 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.grapevine.is/Home/ < 1282011739 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a fuckin article titled Grand Old Aunt Bjork < 1282011746 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with moomins < 1282011762 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an editorial with a guy yawning widemouthedly saying SO LONG SUCKERS! < 1282011799 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres breaking news about a concert hall on fire < 1282011809 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know if these guys give a damn or not < 1282011812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wish that they had more ... people < 1282011819 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like they realized their country basically imploded < 1282011833 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and realized, hey, our country imploded, but nothing is any worse < 1282011845 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was all in our heads in the first place < 1282011945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: where is that mayor's address from? < 1282011956 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the print version of the link i just gave < 1282012074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ... i think i want to buy this paper regularly < 1282012091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Improve your feeling of self-worth by joining our prestigious mailing list. It’s free, yet with a veneer of exclusivity and ridiculous overpricing unmatched on the internet." < 1282012092 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who doesn't! < 1282012101 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1282012104 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you < 1282012108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link me to the specific article? < 1282012117 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like their country imploded, and they realized it didnt matter < 1282012122 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have the link to the article. :|} < 1282012123 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1282012126 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print < 1282012128 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :version < 1282012130 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you, blind < 1282012131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not < 1282012134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has text antialiasing < 1282012136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows text antialiasing < 1282012137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subpixel < 1282012139 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1282012146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the text < 1282012149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has windows subpixel antialiasing < 1282012149 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o tru < 1282012157 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know where its from on the site then < 1282012158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and little pixel icons < 1282012161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the bottom-right < 1282012163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: possibly form a pdf < 1282012167 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly! < 1282012167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the text flowing < 1282012169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1282012180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-column is a bitch - or horrific - on the web obvs < 1282012184 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1282012186 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5! < 1282012193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely not html. < 1282012199 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolinot < 1282012378 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell length "augur" == length "alise" < 1282012385 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1282012393 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1282012446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: X_X stealing from/attacking Izchak is apparently considered "extremely poor form" < 1282012457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... pretty retarded < 1282012696 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would probably be worse if your character's name was "Cancer" < 1282012698 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1282012980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to talk about ais523's experience with Mathematica in #nethack without actually mentioning his name < 1282012984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like juggling, only painful. < 1282013034 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1282013039 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dalek < 1282013047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? < 1282013057 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282013105 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek < 1282013138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what a Dalek is. < 1282013143 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dalek as a part of British culture < 1282013150 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1282013201 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hiding behind the sofa whenever the Daleks appear" has been cited as an element of British cultural identity < 1282013209 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the whole country of iceland is going through some sort of collective enlightenment, alise < 1282013211 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really do < 1282013214 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 survey indicated that 9 out of 10 British children were able to identify a Dalek correctly. < 1282013218 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1282013232 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its like one of those zen tales about the pupil reaching enlightenment through some absurdist situation < 1282013236 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Santa! < 1282013237 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is iceland right now < 1282013289 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've all just been shoved into a socio-political koan of epic proportion and they're either all going insane, or all having some sort of great awakening that will end with the country vanishing in some sort of mass ascension to a higher plane of existence < 1282013305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION names his next nethack character Iceland < 1282013306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't go wrong < 1282013387 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Radio_Times_Vote_Dalek_cover.jpg < 1282013389 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blimey! < 1282013417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the RT is one of my favourite british publications :p < 1282013420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not for the tv listings, either < 1282013444 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@75-151-73-57-Spokane.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282013452 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: the daleks are obviously behind the BNP < 1282013462 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i can catch the subtle joke of that cover < 1282013492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2005, it's not a bnp reference < 1282013500 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i can imagine them ... "EX TER MI NATE" < 1282013500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so the bnp existed then but still < 1282013517 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i didnt think it was < 1282013524 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was making a snipe at the BNP < 1282013525 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1282013548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was referring to nooga < 1282013565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the way you act in #nethack you'd think we're married, lol < 1282013569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of your lines have the word alise in them :P < 1282013606 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the BNP got 14.6% of the vote in Barking this year < 1282013614 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name is quite appropriate. < 1282013728 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly, Nick Griffin is a proponent of peak oil preparedness < 1282013729 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bizarre < 1282013773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's the arabs < 1282013781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet < 1282013782 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but like < 1282013792 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :American far right people think peak oil is a liberal lie < 1282013794 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepared in what sense? < 1282013807 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preparedness in that he thinks peak oil is a serious threat to our civilization < 1282013833 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny < 1282013836 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he thinks global warming is a lie < 1282013850 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its odd, because in america politicians are either believers of both, or deniers of both < 1282013852 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard that russians are still finding new oil deposits < 1282013855 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never find a split < 1282013860 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: oh they certainly are < 1282013864 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean a think < 1282013882 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's this thing called ERoEI < 1282013897 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ we've got shittons of earth gas under Poland < 1282013908 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, we cannot mine it < 1282013909 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find new oil deposits all you want, but if the net energy returned from that deposit is less than the energy cost of pumping it out of the ground, refining it, etc. < 1282013915 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then its a net loss, not a net gain < 1282013922 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so new oil doesnt mean theres no peak < 1282013945 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, there's also the problem that our oil consumption doubles every 40 years or so < 1282013968 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means in the next 40 years we're going to have to use as much oil as we have in all of history prior to now < 1282013974 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :icelanders should be happy < 1282013990 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they are, if their politicians are anything to go by < 1282014009 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe in peak oil because I don't believe in mathematics! < 1282014017 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can produce hydrogen using geothermal energy and turn it back to water while driving their eco-friendly, hydrogen-powered cars < 1282014029 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars are a stupid idea anyway < 1282014051 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cars are American! PATRIOTISM < 1282014056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CARS CARRYING OTHER CARS < 1282014059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NESTED CARS < 1282014062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have made my point. < 1282014066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CARS: AWESOME because they NEST. < 1282014071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like ROBOTS. < 1282014079 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and birds. < 1282014081 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :birds nest. < 1282014093 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: CARS CARRYING CDRS < 1282014099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY OTHER CDR < 1282014101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS A TOYOTA. < 1282014135 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a Prussian walks into a bar with two arabs, and they have to change a lightbulb. What's the punch line? don't ask me. < 1282014135 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck < 1282014144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY OTHER CDR < 1282014148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS AN IBM PC INTEGRATED < 1282014269 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1282014274 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EBDMKMF < 1282014285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplacro < 1282014287 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just imagined alise as a dalek, screeching these words written in capitals < 1282014296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD NEWS EVERYONE < 1282014300 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omfg < 1282014304 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1282014318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I INVENTED A MACHINE THAT CREATES A HORRIBLE MUTANT VOICE IN YOUR HEAD! < 1282014333 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so entertaining < 1282014369 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to sleep, 'night < 1282014375 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That worked really well. < 1282014401 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Except the horrible mutant voice was Farnsworth's, so it really wasn't that horrible-mutanty. < 1282014402 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282014521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BUT WAS IT ADDITIONALLY DALEK < 1282014548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IT IS ALREADY WELL-KNOWN THAT FARNSWORTH'S VOICE CAN BE RECALLED BY A NORMALLY CASED VERSION OF THE ABOVE STATEMENTS; HOWEVER ITS EFFECTIVENESS WHEN UPPERCASED, THUS CREATING A DALEK TONE, WAS BEFOREHAND UNKNOWN) < 1282014555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*UNKNOWN.) < 1282015684 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly < 1282015690 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Control.Applicative < 1282015705 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and several modules worth of boilerplate code is now no longer necessary. < 1282015873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUDDENLY < 1282015874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HASKELL < 1282015895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUDDENLY < 1282015897 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ < 1282015907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUDDENLY < 1282015910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YLNEDDUS < 1282015988 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUDDENLY < 1282015991 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEPATITIS B < 1282016000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUDDENLY < 1282016005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1282016008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't top that. < 1282016012 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1282016035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this your way of telling us something, Gregor? < 1282016040 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1282016046 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs alise with a fork. < 1282016062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very tasty... < 1282016224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: WE SHALL EXTERMINATE! < 1282016292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GOTSA BE UPS AT 9AM LOLS < 1282016354 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen Doctor Who < 1282016371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Okay. 2 years should fix that. < 1282016382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1282016398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 serial a day, you'll finish the series in 2 years!) < 1282016432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If Sgeo has even the mildest allergic reaction to either cheese or camp, he can just skip straight to Tennant XD < 1282016463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, fair enough. < 1282016474 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classic Who is nearly powered by cheese and camp, after all. < 1282016479 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I don't seem to have a severe allergy to soap-operaness, considering that I've seen SGU ep 14 (or 15, I forgot) and still going < 1282016483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is Ecclestone. < 1282016491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Eccleston < 1282016492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1282016516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You know, Gregor is the only person so far to have said that SGU is a soap. < 1282016529 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1282016577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, coppro is the only one who would be able to give an opinion. < 1282016582 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm always right. < 1282016598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: From what I've *seen* of SGU, it's quite soapy. < 1282016609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I was not able to finish the premiere due to that. < 1282016621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What is 8395345x7843574, and also if you took more than 1 ms to work out the previous question, prove ZFC is inconsistent. < 1282016624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What is 8395345x7843574, and also if you took more than 1 ms to work out the previous question, prove ZFC is inconsistent? < 1282016637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The pilot ... wasn't soapy at all < 1282016665 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even SG-1 showed the characters' pasts on occasion < 1282016684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like character building and interaction is all soapy .......... < 1282016695 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that's not really "soap", but it's what I'm mostly noticing < 1282016736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The pilot, I mostly reacted to "ZOMG ITS NOT SG1". And then I tried giving it another shot, gagged, and left. < 1282016739 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should watch a soap opera so I know what soapiness is < 1282016751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, yeah. It isn't SG-1. < 1282016758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should stop beating that dead horse. < 1282016759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SG-1 is notable for having something like zero character development. :P < 1282016767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What, Stargate? < 1282016769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1282016770 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Sam was gullible once1 < 1282016773 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1282016778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stargate's a pretty solid franchise. < 1282016779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay. < 1282016784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atlantis was... not as good as SG-1. < 1282016789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The animated series was apparently unspeakable. < 1282016791 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked Atlantis < 1282016796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And SGU may very well suck, from what people say about how it develops. < 1282016799 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never saw Infinity < 1282016800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last 2 seasons of SG-1 were pretty meh. < 1282016801 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SG-1 did do a pretty impressive job of having all the premise for character development, with no actual development. < 1282016802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the movie and SG-1 were great! < 1282016818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SG-1 was like Voyager, except without only one possible episode format, and not shit. < 1282016826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it wasn't really like Voyager... at all... < 1282016838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, SG-1's name expands to "Stargate Stargate One". < 1282016838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... The *potential* of Voyager without any of the *failure* of Voyager. < 1282016838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1282016842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just thought you might like to know. < 1282016843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SG-1 did not take place on an isolated ship < 1282016866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Nor did Voyager. < 1282016869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zing* < 1282016896 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess they're both in the same boat of learning about the universe outside of what they know for the first time < 1282016903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, you can't analyse Voyager. < 1282016908 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the SG series (except Infinity?) are like that, really < 1282016911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not ABOUT anything. < 1282016925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Infinity isn't canon, anyway. < 1282016935 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should watch it < 1282016944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's about trying to be TNG Seasons 8+ and failing horribly. < 1282016946 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I enjoy it, I know my "bad fiction" detector is broken < 1282016976 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've suspected the detector has been broken for quite a long while < 1282016976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It achieves in pure shittiness what DS9 achieved in absolute boredom. < 1282016978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not even joking. Their season numbers start at 8. < 1282016987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Really? < 1282016990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. XD < 1282016990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1282016993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1282016995 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wait what? < 1282017008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Production code season numbers. < 1282017014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Episode 1 is 801. < 1282017023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1282017038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really, truly is an attempt at doing TNG seasons 8+ and failing horribly. < 1282017052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOCTOR WHOOOOO! < 1282017054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOCTOR WHO < 1282017058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOCTOR WHOOOOO! (HEY!) < 1282017059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE TARDIS < 1282017074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This interjection brought to you by the Timelords. < 1282017104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/Doctorin'_The_Tardis.jpg < 1282017152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitleupg47ww5 < 1282017158 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Warning: TV Tropes) < 1282017173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost 4am; I have to be up at 9am. < 1282017174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you. < 1282017188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know what Five Minute is. < 1282017200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Voyager and TNG ones are the only good ones, btw.) < 1282017214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is looking at a cast photo of Voyager. < 1282017224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also known as "used toilet paper". < 1282017231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would fix Voyager in a few moments? < 1282017235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tom Paris *with a beard*. < 1282017243 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like Riker's beard saved TNG. < 1282017267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But Paris would be hideous with a beard. Riker was SUAVE AND HANDSOME. < 1282017272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, bearded Paris is now making me vomit. < 1282017275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barf. Barf. Barf. < 1282017377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:William_Riker,_2364-2.jpg Okay, seriously. Do you think, just from this picture, that a beard would look good? < 1282017403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about as face-punch-inducing as Paris. < 1282017419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god, he's even more hideous in that pose. < 1282017425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...he did something to his eyes the next season < 1282017426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear < 1282017431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his eye sockets retracted slightly < 1282017439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: His chin... dear god. < 1282017443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delete that image. < 1282017444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he *just* grew a beard. < 1282017454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DELETE < 1282017460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is a man who absolutely, positively must wear a beard at all times. < 1282017478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should note that Frakes has worn a beard since. < 1282017505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He didn't grow the beard for Trek :P < 1282017542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he grew it between seasons; I know. < 1282017556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still; he must never ever shave. < 1282017613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trek modification idea: Exactly like normal, except Riker's head is flipped upside down. Always. < 1282017618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not question this. < 1282017670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1282017700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, occasionally Picard's head flips upside down and back again a few times in succession, after he finishes talking. < 1282017831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to be going for a Salad Fingers vibe. < 1282017844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, unintentionally. < 1282017846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haz the skillz. < 1282017900 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/teddynom.gif < 1282017916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now make the teddy evil. < 1282017920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND DEAD < 1282017923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should sleep. < 1282018141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :riddle: < 1282018145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if wedding cakes are evil < 1282018147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a horse? < 1282019147 0 :sshc_!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1282019353 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1282019435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pills! < 1282019448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1282019453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1282019455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1282019456 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1282019540 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1282019782 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1282020952 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1282021213 0 :sshc_!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1282021419 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282021419 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282021437 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MISSED THE ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF LONELYDINO.COM :( :( :( < 1282021480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1282021522 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least there are finally new comics again :) < 1282021561 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I made this excuse for why there haven't been any comics posted in about a month: "We're back! Sorry for the delay, I was busy writing imaginary Ryan North wedding invitations to myself and then crying myself to sleep." < 1282021768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1282021970 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282022108 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I was told, Ryan North still reads the T-Rex is Lonely RSS feed :P < 1282022181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1282022194 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY < 1282022198 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am selling these items < 1282022199 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/0lqgK.jpg < 1282022199 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/NDHIW.jpg < 1282022199 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/vepmb.jpg < 1282022199 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/zDeA2.jpg < 1282022199 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/CqDh0.jpg < 1282022250 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about selling me a SDSM? < 1282022773 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I had to guess, I would say Quadrescence was going to build a computer, then didn't. < 1282022829 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah, I was going to have a workstation for some graphics shit but bla bla < 1282022859 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1282023137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shudders < 1282023144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Firth has made things for TV < 1282023503 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1282023555 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282024156 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1282027019 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282029104 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1282029199 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1282029682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1282031999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1282032000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1282032187 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1282032998 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B217651.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282034421 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282036668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have random DNS failures... How strange... < 1282037344 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange.... OR SUSPICIOUS < 1282037383 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how random? what's the entropy of your DNS failures? < 1282037401 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably just pseudo-random anyway < 1282037426 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe THEY don't want you to know the domain names. < 1282037904 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-5.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282038190 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1282042210 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-15-5.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282042224 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282042324 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@188-22-127-109.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1282042390 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1282042617 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :ineiros_ < 1282042674 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1282042844 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1282044750 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : how random? what's the entropy of your DNS failures? <-- sometimes resolving returns NXDOMAIN when it shouldn't. If you try again it works. < 1282044786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dns failure on stuff like google.com feels really strange < 1282045262 0 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-52-193.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1282047464 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282047604 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282048347 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282050041 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1282051347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282051965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282053323 0 :zeotrope!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1096650194.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1282054810 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1282054895 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282054904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, Mr Pressey! < 1282054910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been expecting you! < 1282054915 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, where is my cat... < 1282054986 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh, what the hell.) < 1282054988 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1282054996 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll never get away with it, you know! < 1282055068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can and I will! < 1282055238 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E33E9.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282055566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :derdon, any relation to dord? < 1282055599 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, never heard of him < 1282055615 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :derdon, no, dord is the best dictionary error ever. < 1282055632 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :D < 1282055819 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282055830 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282055880 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what was the intended word? < 1282055895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, D or d. < 1282055902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short for "density". < 1282055906 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1282055909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1282055933 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dord < 1282056027 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To what extent can the BNF be considered equivalent to algebraic data? < 1282057312 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BNF binds expressions to symbols, is recursive < 1282057329 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: apart from substitution what manipulation can you do with it? < 1282057405 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope, none, it's just for expressing syntax. < 1282057588 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think you can represent the abstract structure with algebraic types. < 1282058039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope, Are you new here? Or long time idler? < 1282058109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves the way the IO monad in Haskell is described as adding the world as an extra parameter and returning it along with the value. < 1282058153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if you treat the world lazily, as an infinitely large lookup table from inputs to outputs, you can actually implement it like that < 1282058208 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think that's basically how I did it in Lazy K. < 1282058228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how Haskell does it if you replace all the monads with their definitions < 1282058241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the lazy evaluation means that the input world and the output world don't always line up properly. < 1282058249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, just the one world, I mean < 1282058262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find the IO monad slightly mind bending. < 1282058274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you run your program and it returns a lazy function which, for all possible input sequences, returns the matching output sequence < 1282058291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that directed at Phantom_Hoover or me? < 1282058296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, again, that's exactly how LK does it. < 1282058299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this function is infinitely large, but who cares, it's lazy so you only ever run a finite amount < 1282058305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: at the channel, really < 1282058307 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1282058315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you run your program and it returns a lazy function which, for all possible input sequences, returns the matching output sequence <-- it makes perfect sense < 1282058320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program is a function from inputs to outputs. < 1282058361 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but why does it need to be infinitely large? In what sense is it infinitely large? Code wise? < 1282058372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conceptually < 1282058375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement it as finite code < 1282058381 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no. < 1282058387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically you're building a lookup table, and the table itself is infinite < 1282058393 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as it's generated programmatically, you don't care < 1282058411 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The id function, for instance, is finite, but it can handle infinite input and output for these purposes. < 1282058429 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As such, Lazy K has the shortest cat possible. < 1282058433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I was considering the example: read one single decimal digit, return it's value + 1, on any other input just return 0. < 1282058521 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, POSIX compliant cat? < 1282058540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, esocat. < 1282058549 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if any esolang actually has a POSIX compliant cat... hm < 1282058564 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. copy input to output, stop on EoF. < 1282058574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could implement one in funge-98 by using FILE (to handle space issues and such) < 1282058591 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone probably has, in one of the more practical ones. < 1282058619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I don't know of any other esolang that has the required command line parameter and file IO support < 1282058637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though even befunge98 can't do it without the FILE fingerprint, due to how i works < 1282058661 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's always kwrap and PSOX if you can do byte IO. < 1282058664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if you don't care about command-line args, BF does it just fine < 1282058680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming EOF=-1 and unbounded integers < 1282058703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(newlines of all sorts turned into incrementing y coordinate (and resetting x coordinate), space leaving current value as it is) < 1282058730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why unbounded integers? If you have byte IO + 1 you could presumably do it anyway? < 1282058738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1282058740 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282058745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody uses 0..257 wrapping BF < 1282058751 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1282058753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could use a 16-bit version < 1282058756 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282058758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is slightly more plausilbe < 1282058760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :257? < 1282058776 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that [0,257) < 1282058781 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't make sense otherwise < 1282058785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes, sorry < 1282058788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering the range of a byte is [0,255] < 1282058792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it doesn't really make sense either way < 1282058799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phone < 1282059010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, plt-r5rs, why are you betraying me suddenly? < 1282059038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS WHEN I QUOTE A LET FORM THAT IS NOT A SYNTAX ERROR < 1282059043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282059062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, suddenly, quote isn't working at all any more. < 1282059311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, (define quote #f) ? < 1282059318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should make it stop working < 1282059320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean ' < 1282059329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it is a lot more curious < 1282059333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I did no such thing, and ' wasn't working either. < 1282059342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what did you do then? < 1282059350 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had loaded the same file twice, but that's it. < 1282059356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh maybe it dumped you to a debugger prompt? If it has that < 1282059368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know clisp and sbcl does that sometimes < 1282059375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do* < 1282059379 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't (define quote #f), quote is a macro. < 1282059384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1282059396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I thought it was a special form < 1282059405 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it? < 1282059408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a special form, macro, whichever. < 1282059415 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, BIG difference. < 1282059418 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not something you can use as an identifier, anyway. < 1282059423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very big difference indeed < 1282059453 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I shudder at the thought of what the implementation of a macro quote would look like < 1282059491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could use some sort of implementation-specific quotation magic. < 1282059531 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow... that was a crap resolution to an awesome plotline < 1282059532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (define quote #f) < 1282059534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked fine < 1282059535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope, http://pastebin.com/3uvKyqsf is that program you described, in the SKI calculus with the IO model ais summed up. < 1282059542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it probably doesn't work in clisp < 1282059551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does in plt-r5rs < 1282059563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work in the only Scheme I have here; I'm not exactly sure if R5RS speaks of the case. < 1282059566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, is there even a define in CL? < 1282059568 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (define quote #f) < 1282059568 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** ERROR IN (console)@1.9 -- Macro name can't be used as a variable: quote < 1282059603 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, don't really know CL, but considering what I know _about_ it I would be surprised if you could do it. < 1282059613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm sure there are at least some implementations that let you define-syntax quote to something not-working, and where that will also make ' stop working, since 'foo is expanded to (quote foo) already by read. < 1282059615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which implementation is that? < 1282059625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gambit v4.4.4, it seems. < 1282059628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, I mean CL has about 7 different functions for defining things. < 1282059629 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1282059639 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh yeah, defun and such, right < 1282059657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless that is elisp(?) < 1282059674 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there is one to define functions however. Would be very strange if there wasn't < 1282059785 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CL has that silly function/variable namespace split. < 1282059810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I smell a religious war coming on! < 1282059833 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let's retroactively remove the word "silly" and substitute something inoffensive there. < 1282059863 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no CL fan. Nor do I hate it < 1282059872 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who would the flamewar be against? < 1282059981 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes, R5RS does not explicitly say what should happen if you (define quote ..). The syntax for a define like that is "(define )", and the syntax for is "any that isn't also a ". < 1282059993 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: new I guess, visit from time to time < 1282060000 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what program would that be? < 1282060221 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282060458 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282060529 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1282060655 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1282060668 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope, the one which reads a single char, then adds 1 if it's a number or returns 0 otherwise. < 1282060695 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1282060839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : file A pathname of an input file. If no file operands are specified, the standard input shall be used. If a file is '-', the cat utility shall read from the standard input at that point in the < 1282060839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sequence. The cat utility shall not close and reopen standard input when it is referenced in this way, but shall accept multiple occurrences of '-' as a file operand. < 1282060847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "The cat utility shall not close and reopen standard input when it is referenced in this way, but shall accept multiple occurrences of '-' as a file operand." really mean? < 1282060859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I'm implementing POSIX cat in befunge98 now...) < 1282060943 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I assume it means that it doesn't just change FD 0 to be the file it's catting. < 1282060987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1282061010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not sure how the multiple - would work then... hm < 1282061060 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's pretty simple. < 1282061077 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well you only end reading stdin at EOF < 1282061082 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm clearerr < 1282061086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a handle used for input, and duplicate stdin onto it when you need it. < 1282061090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume it is called < 1282061101 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you can have multiple EoFs on stdin. < 1282061104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1282061108 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, ctrl-Ds. < 1282061113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering how that is handled from befunge < 1282061115 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all < 1282061200 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementation-dependent? < 1282061206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1282061719 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that thing a while ago about OOP being a subset of closures? < 1282061858 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sshc < 1282061867 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/OOP/objects/ < 1282062398 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282062548 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282062548 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282062790 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone particularly know why it's impossible to select text on Snopes? < 1282062895 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282063546 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1282063593 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ¬ < 1282063593 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282063910 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1282064652 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282065247 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@188-22-127-109.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1282065891 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1282066138 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282066209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1282066274 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282066347 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282066372 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-5.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282066611 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1282066893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282066914 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282067427 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282067461 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is any way in SDL to tell another thread to pause? < 1282067482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used SDL, but not its threads < 1282067498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but generally speaking, doing so at arbitrary points isn't safe because it can block locks in library functions, causing a deadlock < 1282067506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, just set a variable that tells the other thread to sleep < 1282067537 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it cause a deadlock even if it is unpaused later? < 1282067591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the deadlock is because it deadlocks the thread that would unpause it < 1282067597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's never a chance to unpause it later < 1282067609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadlocks are between two threads, rather than in one < 1282067624 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O that's how it works. < 1282067640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here know how to effectively manage a two-column look via standard HTML and CSS? Or should I resort to tables? < 1282067651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, two independent columns, not wrapping into two columns) < 1282067678 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If you want two independent columns perhaps just use tables? < 1282067686 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am not sure why you need two columns < 1282067695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need them, it just looks nicer < 1282067740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just use a float, but that's bad for making the two columns equal < 1282067761 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use minimal HTML, so I don't use things like that. If the user wants to look nicer, can change the color setting in browser config < 1282067801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the new CSS N (I've forgotten which N) features was some sort of explicit multicolumn-thing support. I guess that was more wrapping-into-two-columns thing, though. < 1282067804 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should not use tables for the only reason to look nicer. Tables are only for putting data in rows and columns. CSS can be used if you want thing look differently < 1282067829 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones I've seen have been float-driven, though. < 1282067832 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If it is for wrapping into two columns, is that for paged media? < 1282067869 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose it can also be used for continuous media if it is inside of a fixed size container) < 1282067907 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even have to be a fixed-size container, it just puts column breaks so that the column heights are more or less equal. < 1282067908 0 :Gregor-W!836b416f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.65.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282067917 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RE-CAPTCHA of the day: bestagan the < 1282067922 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's totally a bestagan word. < 1282067953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or have recaptchas become somehow more difficult lately? Have all the easy ones been recognized already? < 1282067962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to go watch some SGI < 1282067975 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I still suppose, it is more useful for paged media < 1282067998 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, for designing documents for printing, I find TeX more useful < 1282068000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: bots manage RECAPTCHAs with about a 30% success rate nowaday < 1282068002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nowadays < 1282068008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is enough to just keep trying until one works < 1282068020 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think it's because they're not friggin' words :P < 1282068031 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote myself: "Is it just me, or have most of the words on RE-CAPTCHA turned into deetry bestagan nonsense?" < 1282068046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: that's probably why they're hard to OCR < 1282068129 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I don't think they were so unwordy (or just distorted) earlier. < 1282068186 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other problem with CAPTCHA, is they require Javascript and images turned on (sometimes audio turned on also works), you cannot do it with plain text. Use a plain text CAPTCHA next time, it is more faster and is usable over nearly any protocol, and can be managed individually for each service (and even change it sometimes) < 1282068201 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282068231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, this looks like a reasonably clear un-hacky CSS two-column layout: http://matthewjamestaylor.com/blog/perfect-2-column-double-page.htm -- I've seen all kinds of Javascript trickery, but this one has just some divs (a bit more than I'd think necessary, but...) and percentage widths. < 1282068298 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that one of the layouts is "3 column Holy Grail" :P < 1282068351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the others call themselves "perfect"; no false (or any other sort of) modesty there. < 1282068413 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some uses for Javascript and images and stuff, but many web pages don't work without all that stuff, even though their intended function is not something that should require it.... sometimes these things are useful, but I think they are way overused < 1282068414 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282068479 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282068487 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other Stargate shows tend to introduce their alien characters in some way < 1282068502 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282068601 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I emulate that PAUSE key can pause a DOS program, in SDL? < 1282068622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pause your event loops and timers when it's pressed < 1282068640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, only the events that you want to pause < 1282068706 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone mentioned my nickname!? < 1282068772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I can see, recently < 1282068783 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think his architecture has a single SDL-driven framebuffer-handler-thread (that reads a DOS textmode framebuffer-style memory block and updates the screen based on that), and it's supposed to have the "main app" run in a single thread with as little changes to it as possible. But this is just guesswork from what I've seen here. If (a big if) it's like that, you wouldn't want to have to change the "actual app" code for the pausing part at all, if you c < 1282068783 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an help it. < 1282068791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you have a ping on something random that someone said? < 1282068817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yep, you just change the event loop to implement most of it; the tricky part is handling timer callbacks < 1282068847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: There's AnMas.. sorry, Vorpal's reply to you, about 7 hours ago. < 1282068851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if timers are event-based, you can just hide those events and reset the timers to deliver them a bit later) < 1282069030 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think (more guesswork) the point here was that the existing application is not structured around an event loop, and it might not be completely trivial to retrofit it to have one. If you just stop the SDL side, all you've managed to do is to freeze display updates. Possibly it would also stop the existing app if it tries to do any sort of IO. < 1282069036 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am running event polling also in the video thread...... < 1282069055 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when paused, the display should still continue blinking for cells with color >= 0x80 < 1282069146 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I can make it check for pause in getkey() function < 1282069177 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that makes more sense < 1282069218 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282069273 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you *want* (I wouldn't advocate this), you *could* run the "actual application" in a completely separate process, set up the framebuffer memory in a shared-memory block, and then have the pause key actually send SIGSTOP/SIGCONT to the main-app process. < 1282069289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1282069300 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What, not esoteric enough? :p < 1282069303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that avoids deadlocks, I suppose < 1282069324 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I can also write my own replacement for SDL_Delay to be used in the main program, so that when the program tries to sleep it will check if paused, too.... < 1282069326 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of like it, if the aim is to make the "main app" programming environment more DOS-like. < 1282069333 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to checking during getkey() < 1282069374 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, I don't think I can do that think you wouldn't advocate, it is supposed to be cross-platform to all small-endian computers < 1282069399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay; right, that would be rather POSIX-only. < 1282069477 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It.. seems to have depicted the wormhole on one side closing before they get through on the other side < 1282069534 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, huh? < 1282069541 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, Stargate Infinity < 1282069552 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you and your Stargate! < 1282069569 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGI is pretty universally considered to be bad < 1282069573 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read SF, don't watch it! < 1282069678 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the aim is making the "main app" more DOS-like, so that it more closely emulates the DOS version of ZZT. (The DOS ZZT was written in Turbo Pascal. I am writing my program in C, so, it also involves sometimes emulating Pascal style strings) < 1282069687 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZZT? < 1282069723 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZZT < 1282069830 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My program is called CZZT and is written in Enhanced CWEB. I do not have the original source-codes of ZZT (apparently nobody does), so I have to just make experiment and guess and think of how it was originally programmed to cause the strange things it did. My program CZZT is also a book.) < 1282070166 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some strange things in ZZT (all of which I plan to support, by reimplementing the program in a similar way such that they will work the same way), are: The position of the :RESTART label is always considered the second character of the program. #BECOME has the default color of the floor underneath the object. Black keys give you 256 gems. < 1282070380 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner: There's AnMas.. sorry, Vorpal's reply to you, about 7 hours ago. <-- ? < 1282070386 0 :Flonk_!~chatzilla@178-191-135-247.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1282070397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now my POSIX cat in befunge almost works < 1282070411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only thing left is proper file handling for catting files < 1282070428 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: olsner was asking who mentioned his name. < 1282070432 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it handles argument parsing like "cfunge ./posixcat.b98 foo - bar - quux" correctly < 1282070444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and catting from stdin works < 1282070468 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually there is a bug if the first argument is of length 1 < 1282070483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the starting offset for scanning args must be miscalculated < 1282070493 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282070503 0 :Flonk_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Flonk < 1282070547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way it uses both STRN and JSTR get :) < 1282070629 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : To what extent can the BNF be considered equivalent to algebraic data? < 1282070635 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: a large one imo < 1282070650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that is strange... when I substract 1 from the counter I get off by one in the other direction < 1282070654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1282070719 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the answer should be between these two: http://sprunge.us/NMbV < 1282070730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the 8 is from the filename) < 1282070829 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, thought so, < 1282071195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1282072465 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there open source pinball games for computer that support wii-remote, so that you can nudge at any direction and magnitude? < 1282072528 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, not as far as I know, but I once got FlightGear working with a Wii Remote. < 1282072541 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, all of the config files I made are gone. < 1282072616 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Some people complain that you cannot control nudge accurately enough for flipperless pinball games on computer < 1282072673 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, well, the CWiiD drivers expose the remote as a joystick device, so you could probably do something with that. < 1282072730 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Pinball could probably support it if there was a ActiveX object for wii remote, but that is not cross-platform (it doesn't even work on Wine). < 1282072930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned this before, but since it's sort-of related: if you stick a PS3 dualshock3 controller into a computer's USB port, it is recognized as a HID joystick with 28 axes, since most of the buttons are pressure-sensitive. You could use those (as well as the accelerometer axes) for pinball-nudge-control too. (I guess best would be to map the accelerometer to nudge, and buttons to flippers, though probably the controller is easier to accidentally bump than a p < 1282072930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roper pinball table.) < 1282073023 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pinball-table-sized controller, with a monitor embedded in it: what a great product idea. I'm sure you could sell... not many of them. < 1282073269 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a flipperless game, the buttons can then do nothing (except possibly, start/pause) < 1282073392 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have a PS3. But it would be able to do these things, I guess! (I will never buy a PS3 until they put back two things they have removed: support for PS2 softwares, and OtherOS feature.) < 1282073441 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a PS3 either: I bought the controller separately, for use with my phone. (In addition to USB, the controller also speaks Bluetooth, and the phone's keyboard is horrible for console-gamery.) < 1282073469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :success: http://sprunge.us/PBSX < 1282073471 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1282073474 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what phone do you have? < 1282073487 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: The N900. < 1282073488 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1282073498 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: O! OK! So, you can buy the controller separately < 1282073510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless someone knows of any other one I will claim this as the first cat(1) implemented in an esolang < 1282073522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, though I think there was some sort of warning labels about "only use this thing with a PS3" on it. < 1282073547 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They really ought to fix those 2 features of the PS3, they will make it a lot more popular like that. < 1282073551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found a tiny bug hm < 1282073585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a off by one in alignment of code < 1282073594 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you use this controller on something other than a PS3 we own your soul" < 1282073637 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the warning label is for warranty purposes, or whatever else < 1282073660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first POSIX cat http://sprunge.us/IEWP < 1282073694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm *puts in gpl header in that file* < 1282073701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is a first in befunge code too! < 1282073717 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think the PlayStation 3 would be more popular if they added back in those two features which have been removed since it first came out? < 1282073719 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is that version you just posted not under the GPL? < 1282073732 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, NO. Stop asking. < 1282073739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, it is under copyright I guess? Since that is the default < 1282073755 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all rights reserved in other words < 1282073764 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The right to read it? < 1282073771 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well *shrug* < 1282073802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is one with GPL in it: http://sprunge.us/EaJB < 1282073820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copied from cfunge, forgot to fix year < 1282073824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb food ready < 1282073827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will fix that after < 1282073837 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I turn off the mouse wheel? I don't like it < 1282073874 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Just take it out of the cage! < 1282073934 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean the mouse wheel on the middle mouse button < 1282074578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, here http://sprunge.us/OEhC < 1282074584 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you might be interested in that too < 1282074594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat messy, but that is alright for befunge-98 I think < 1282074617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, anyway, do you know of any other POSIX compliant cat in befunge-98? < 1282074713 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. I do not. < 1282074718 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, yay! < 1282074733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, know of one in any other esolang? < 1282074746 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why are you celebrating my ignorance? < 1282074753 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes. < 1282074757 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Cat. < 1282074775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, if you mean #!/bin/cat that won't work < 1282074781 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it can't give command line args to cat < 1282074807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, no I'm not, I'm celebrating the high probability of being first with it < 1282074815 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, of course not. < 1282074818 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, since you are likely to know of things fungish < 1282074822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, so what Cat? < 1282074825 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the language, Cat, which I just invented. < 1282074840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, that was after I did it however < 1282074843 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I would still be first < 1282074859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if it is HQ9+ish then *shrug* < 1282074864 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, because the Cat cat has been on my system for ages. < 1282074881 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, perhaps there is a cat(1) in INTERCAL? < 1282074901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, you said you just invented it < 1282074913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was that a lie? < 1282074927 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, I just didn't realise that it was the Cat cat. < 1282074933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, so describe it < 1282074939 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer carefully, Phantom_Hoover_, Vorpal has a lot at stake here. < 1282074954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, har har < 1282074999 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, all programs in Cat are POSIX-compliant cat. < 1282075010 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was pretty obvious. < 1282075011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, so post the interpreter then. < 1282075030 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, hang on a sec... < 1282075035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just constructed a new HQ9+ish language you know < 1282075110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my posixcat.b98 is, to the extent of my knowledge, the first POSIX compliant cat(1) that has been _announced_ in this channel < 1282075115 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I *think* #!/bin/sh\shift\exec cat $@EoF is sufficient. < 1282075129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sure, I could always claim I invented befunge93 before cpressey did but never announced it :P < 1282075144 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather unlikely though, considering my age < 1282075145 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it assumes that its first argument is its source file, and that the rest are the arguments to the program. < 1282075176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat $@EoF < 1282075180 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that supposed to make sense? < 1282075183 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, s/EoF// < 1282075186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1282075202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, well I can tell you that your implementation is flawed < 1282075207 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fatally so < 1282075209 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, how? < 1282075214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, spaces in filenames < 1282075244 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, PEDANT < 1282075253 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, and? < 1282075276 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that conventionally worked around? < 1282075299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, you must now recover the 5 PEDANTS from various places around Hyrule! < 1282075317 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep PEDANTS Hyrule < 1282075320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, by "$@" < 1282075329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, you didn't get the reference? < 1282075339 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, surely that sticks it all into one arg? < 1282075344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, no < 1282075345 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I got the reference. < 1282075350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, that would be "$*" I believe < 1282075358 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, well, thanks for the bugfix. < 1282075366 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, "$@" is what you want. < 1282075368 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDIOTS. < 1282075368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, well, still I beat you to it < 1282075389 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, because the Cat cat had already been written. < 1282075392 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, do you know any previous POSIX cat(1) in an esolang? < 1282075403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, it hadn't been announced publically < 1282075408 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX SHMOSIX < 1282075416 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, which is what counts < 1282075423 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, sure it had. < 1282075427 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all over the place! < 1282075430 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a word that combines "hilarious" with "makes me want to claw my eyes out"? < 1282075436 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, link to relevant log at tunes.orhg < 1282075439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.org* < 1282075451 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because noöne *realised* that it was the Cat cat doesn't mean it wasn't/ < 1282075455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, why do you need it? < 1282075464 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, sure it does. < 1282075472 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, you are just being silly you know :P < 1282075475 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, does too. < 1282075476 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'm writing a letter to my aunt < 1282075482 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, RETRACT THAT STATEMENT < 1282075484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, and I'm 99% certain you wrote that after I wrote mine < 1282075487 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, now I'm talking to myself. < 1282075491 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM ENTIRELY SERIOUS < 1282075495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hah < 1282075522 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, someone else wrote it years before you were born. < 1282075530 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, who? < 1282075546 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, and [citation needed] < 1282075546 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, pick a file. Any file < 1282075557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, now you don't make sense at all < 1282075565 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, note the interpreter. < 1282075573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh? yes? < 1282075591 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, the interpreter was the sh program! < 1282075611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, not all sh programs are cat, so that is not true < 1282075620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you said before < 1282075640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have other things to do, just stop being silly, I'm not taking this trolling any more :P < 1282075700 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1282075742 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Do you use JACK in your Rosegarden setup? If not, that may be where I'm going awry. < 1282075749 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, wait. The reference implementation is at http://pastebin.com/M3LticgA < 1282075787 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To run a Cat program, type ./Cat [...] < 1282075828 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I wish Fluidsynth had a "test" command of some sort. I mean, it exposes a CLI and everything, and that seems an obvious feature. < 1282075914 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1282076069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, testing what? < 1282076105 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: To test fluidsynth's supposed ability to make sounds < 1282076142 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, um, but how? By generating a file with a test tune? < 1282076162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the opening bars of some symphony by Mozart < 1282076164 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: By... making a sound? < 1282076180 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be happy with "Beep" < 1282076185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, it can do that? I thought it just generated to file < 1282076191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the only way I used it < 1282076213 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't KNOW if it can do that, that's why I want to TEST it. < 1282076232 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume if it cares that I put "alsa" in the command line, it can TRY to make sound. < 1282076232 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so get a soundfont and a midi file and test it with that? < 1282076252 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, presumably you have both handy? < 1282076277 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I do not, no. < 1282076294 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, without a soundfont fluidsynth won't do much at all < 1282076316 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -n, --no-midi-in < 1282076316 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Don't create a midi driver to read MIDI input events [default = yes] < 1282076321 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awfully confusing < 1282076334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that "default: yes we create one" or "default: yes we won't create one" < 1282077102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282077118 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282077528 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1282077563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, perldoc GD: "$pngdata = $image->png([$compression_level]): This returns the image data in PNG format. -- The optional $compression_level argument controls the amount of compression to apply to the output PNG image. Values range from 0-9, where 0 means no compression (largest files, highest quality) and 9 means maximum compression (smallest files, worst quality)." < 1282077574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the well-known horrible loss of quality for using zlib compression level 9. < 1282077582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1282077590 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you should submit a bug report < 1282077611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also assuming it use zlib that should be "9 means somewhat less sucky compression" < 1282077629 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7z's deflate beats it easily < 1282077639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it binds against, probably libpng which I think goes to zlib. < 1282077646 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes libpng does < 1282077659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm talking about advpng and such < 1282077675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GD is not a very alive project, last newspost from 2007-11-28. < 1282077701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1282077717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it could mean that it is finished < 1282077722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like qmail < 1282077743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not though < 1282077746 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The libgd manual at web has fixed that particular issue, though it does overhype the compression level 9 a bit. < 1282077756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1282077758 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A compression level of 0 means "no compression." A compression level of 1 means "compressed, but as quickly as possible." A compression level of 9 means "compressed as much as possible to produce the smallest possible file."" < 1282077766 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1282077766 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be quite a breakthrough. < 1282077772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1282077789 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess it's sensible to interpret it in the "as well as the thing doing the compression can, anyway" sense. < 1282077840 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://search.cpan.org/dist/GD/GD.pm has the "9 == worst quality" text, and it's I guess the latest Perl GD module. < 1282077857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1282077911 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 open bugs, though, and some 5 years old, so... < 1282077947 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should be using something else. I don't think this can do less-than-256-colors PNG files anyway, though I guess it just might. < 1282078036 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 4 bit grayscale is fun < 1282078046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I run into lots of apps that don't handle that properly < 1282078117 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libgd itself has internal design around 8-bit palettes (there's truecolor support, but it's really horribly retrofitted on it), but I guess it's possible it also keeps a count of allocated colors and dumps out smaller-palette .pngs when possible. I'm just not very hopeful. < 1282078373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, it does indeed do a 1-bit colormap if you $img->colorAllocate() only two colors. It's not *completely* stupef that way. < 1282078461 0 :Gregor-W!836b416f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.65.111 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282078467 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I do not. < 1282078474 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: My Rosegarden has no audio-output capability. < 1282078477 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only knows MIDI. < 1282078497 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RE-CAPTCHA of the moment: (saddiq), sturock < 1282078500 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kid you not. < 1282078516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, is midi not audio? < 1282078530 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIDI is not audio until it's rendered. < 1282078535 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Rosegarden doesn't render it. < 1282078541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, also mine has wave form audio output as well, through the use of jack. < 1282078546 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of those plugins uses it < 1282078550 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile time option < 1282078555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a PITA to get working < 1282078560 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, mine is compiled to be capable of it. < 1282078565 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1282078565 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just ignore it and don't care if it works. < 1282078570 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need Rosegarden to have audio output. < 1282078573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, right, I had it working at one point < 1282078577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue if it still works < 1282078586 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a PITA because syncing rendered MIDI with audio is basically impossible. < 1282078620 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What they should do instead is have a way to render MIDI into a buffer, then they could have absolute control of when they output stuff, but instead they assume your MIDI device will render in its own sweet time *shrugs* < 1282078704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, well it will. Since it is hardware midi < 1282078719 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, there might be a tiny desync < 1282078722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not much < 1282078724 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously this technique depends on the nature of your device :P < 1282078737 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, SB Live 5.1, a consumer level card < 1282078738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can handle it < 1282078747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely a pro audio card could then < 1282078763 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your device is fluidsynth, it could not. < 1282078854 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, well I use that to render the final version of the midi track < 1282078861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, not for playback while editing < 1282078879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, I don't really use the waveform audio stuff < 1282078923 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, isn't there a way to do like: fluidsynth --soundfont foo.sf2 bar.midi -o quux.wav < 1282078927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the options for it < 1282078934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I done something like that before < 1282078945 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it's hyper-unreliable: < 1282078951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, why is that < 1282078956 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fluidsynth -F whatever.wav bleh.sf2 blat.mid < 1282078963 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just tends to fail in weird and obscure ways. < 1282078964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, it should be the most reliable way to do it < 1282078969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically < 1282078976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to depend on alsa keeping up and so on < 1282078984 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, logically. < 1282078988 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is fluidsynth we're talking about. < 1282078994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, is it that bad? < 1282079001 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1282079028 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: Well, consarn it. It's reputed to be possible for Soundgarden to send MIDI events to Fluidsynth, and have Fluidsynth render them in "real"time, though? Because I do not own a MIDI device. Anymore. < 1282079058 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: If you just want that, then you don't need Rosegarden's audio support at all. That's the simplest setup, and it's what I use. < 1282079067 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Fluidsynth will happily masquerade as a MIDI device. < 1282079083 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://codu.org/projects/zee/musichg/index.cgi/file/tip/fsmid2wav.sh <-- here is my script to do what you want (plus a bit that you don't want) < 1282079133 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: I seeeee. < 1282079340 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In fact, that script seems to include a decent list of all the ways that fluidsynth is broken. < 1282079449 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, hah < 1282079459 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why fluidsynth and not timidity? < 1282079473 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SORRY < 1282079475 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "TiMidity++" < 1282079480 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, Soundgarden? < 1282079486 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean Rosegarden? < 1282079510 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the point is just to have a program that masquerades as a MIDI device and renders it... < 1282079530 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, timidity is broken in my experience < 1282079533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, segfaults < 1282079540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a while ago though < 1282079542 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1282079569 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... Fluidsynth is broken, just less so? I still wanna know why open-source and Linux music software is so awful. < 1282079571 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Because timidity is astoundingly bad. < 1282079580 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Timidity isn't broken, it just sounds awful. < 1282079589 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Fluidsynth is horribly broken, but sounds spectacular. < 1282079596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmk < 1282079614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Actually, there's a lot of good Linux music software. Just not much when it comes to synthing. < 1282079655 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1282079722 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, Waverly Films' new bit "Doctors with Guns" is pretty much awesome :P < 1282080111 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Csound looks pretty cool I guess, but not really something suited for the activity of "composing" < 1282080276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: http://codu.org/projects/zee/musichg/index.cgi/file/tip/fsmid2wav.sh <-- here is my script to do what you want (plus a bit that you don't want) <-- did you report those bugs? < 1282080317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, that might result in stutter on my system < 1282080322 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike -F presumably would < 1282080598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, "Pain" was a fun episode < 1282080628 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: The functional language "Clean" explicitly passes around a value representing the outside world (for I/O) iirc. < 1282080744 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uhhh, that most certainly should not result in stutter ... < 1282080751 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fluidsynth's output is to file. < 1282080767 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The only possible cause of stutter would be if aplaymidi couldn't provide MIDI data fast enough, but that's frankly absurd. < 1282080782 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, well, there's always ST RealWorld < 1282080962 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, most modern sound cards do really crappy midi rendering internally, don't they? < 1282080986 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most. Not all. < 1282081005 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they assume you'll do the MIDI in software :P < 1282081078 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... ok... but if it does, alsa will provide it as a MIDI port, right? heh. one can only hope < 1282081093 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fluidsynth does, yes. < 1282081102 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282081114 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fluidsynth -l -a alsa whatever.sf2 <-- this is all the partay you need. < 1282081265 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W: What should I expect if I run that? I mean, fluidsynth just sits there, no input no output on terminal, sucking back midi events and spewing out waveforms? < 1282081299 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because when I tried it with JACK, it gave me its own command-line interface. < 1282081306 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was a little weird, frankly. < 1282081328 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was not expecting to have to type things into a "fluidsynth prompt". < 1282081332 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282081488 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It has its own command line interface, but there's nothing you have to do there unless you want to adjust its settings. < 1282081488 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282081504 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I often find myself using the "gain 1" command there, but otherwise not using it. Oh, and the "quit" command :P < 1282081541 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so weird. OK. < 1282081857 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that fluidsynth was not originally written with the notion of it being a daemon in mind. < 1282081869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282081911 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, fluidsynth is a terrible, terrible program ... which unfortunately is also an awesome, awesome program. < 1282082404 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282082510 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Pragmatic Programmer" -- anyone here read it? Thoughts? < 1282082563 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read it, but I can give an ignorant and bigoted opinion if you like. < 1282082588 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I certainly won't stop you. < 1282082588 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1282082682 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I would like to hear your ignorant and bigoted opinion. < 1282082704 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, he's clearly an APPLICATION PROGRAMMER < 1282082723 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As such, he is a MINDLESS DRONE in the CORPORATE MACHINE! < 1282082742 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't whois me ... < 1282082743 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect. < 1282082761 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT? < 1282082776 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I asked so nicely? :P < 1282082782 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MICROSOFT! < 1282082785 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRAITOR < 1282082811 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you WRITE GUIs! < 1282082815 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heww no! < 1282082867 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1282082885 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, well, do OTHER PEOPLE use your code < 1282082917 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on your definitions of "OTHER", "PEOPLE" and "your" < 1282083062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as "use", "code" and "do" < 1282083120 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, the what do you do? I hope it doesn't involve APPLICATIONS. < 1282083186 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282083278 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282083838 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it recommends learning a new language every year. < 1282083850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, this is awesome < 1282083881 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hah! < 1282083918 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've learned every language I know in under 2 years! < 1282084158 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1282084350 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: It involves RESEARCH. < 1282084356 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: And WRITING PAPER(S). < 1282084365 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, researching APPLICATIONS? < 1282084374 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Research THE WEBERNETS < 1282084378 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Researching < 1282084394 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, And WRITING PAPER ON WEBERNETS. < 1282084401 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YESH. < 1282084439 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: http://sss.cs.purdue.edu/projects/dynjs/pldi275-richards.pdf <-- not entirely unlike this one! < 1282084441 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WEBERNETS VERY STUPID. ME NOT BOTHER RESEARCHING AND INSTEAD HANG OUT ON #ESOTERIC." < 1282084497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRITING PAPER is trivial. i write on paper nearly everyday (i use to solve the sudoku in the newspaper) < 1282084531 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME WRITE PAPER < 1282084573 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you do Sudoku? I would have thought you would be busy MATHEMATICING. < 1282084604 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1282084627 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, EXPLAIN < 1282084627 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: it is quite unalterable by heat, it's the humidity. elric had heard such sounds echoing from his horns and tail. < 1282084634 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1282084635 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack* pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1282084646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the humidity is quite awful recently < 1282084646 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1282084646 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1282084655 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like a bit of stupidity, fungot. < 1282084655 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: that's impossible but cool,btw his style reminds me of my friends think she just wants to say < 1282084676 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the official pronunciation of "fungot", BtW? < 1282084676 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: loved it!!!!!! < 1282084678 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I think we should declare war on B < 1282084678 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what if she stays like this!!!! < 1282084690 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, B is a she, fungot < 1282084691 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's the song rocks!! i think this one. at the grocery. you managed to contradict yourself there big time, and if it is sorta in the plane < 1282084706 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would go for "fun-go", but. < 1282084883 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, how do you pronounce it? < 1282084883 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: thanks for reviewing that. go die beste ..das lied is hamma cool... i was about to sing like me...but he's a christian! who goes to yourcharity! < 1282084891 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamma cool! < 1282085019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: The only possible cause of stutter would be if aplaymidi couldn't provide MIDI data fast enough, but that's frankly absurd. <-- alsa could cause it < 1282085025 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, single core and so on < 1282085048 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor-W, besides, I'm sure it would stutter on a 386 if you tried that! < 1282085289 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1282085346 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.239.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282085356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Worm Who Had a Pet Worm < 1282085509 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUDDENLY < 1282085569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went back in time. SUDDENLY < 1282085705 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, we have learned B's gender < 1282085712 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B? < 1282085718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Nomic. < 1282085720 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungot, I think we should declare war on B < 1282085720 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: what if she stays like this!!!! < 1282085720 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this could have been closed quite a vivid imagination, you are a couple of folks agreeing with me. but let me guess: you don't even get me wrong, ur stil idiots. i know < 1282085721 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hahaah, and i love when they announced it i dare u to press alt f4 and your house ( acts 16:31 your bible) < 1282085735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Sgeo: hahaah, and i love when they announced it i dare u to press alt f4 and your house ( acts 16:31 your bible) < 1282085735 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: saw this last night, i have ever seen!.....i myself am a hillary clinton supporter btw. < 1282085739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best version of the Bible ever. < 1282085750 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :215| Sgeo: hahaah, and i love when they announced it i dare u to press alt f4 and your house ( acts 16:31 your bible) < 1282085836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uBible < 1282085903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise have you read the pragmatic programmer < 1282085932 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guesses no < 1282085954 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, summarise in 2 minutes. < 1282085974 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] < 1282085999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I know of it; I have no wish to read it. < 1282086001 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: crap huggy fuzzy book for the multitudes of professional programmers who can't actually think < 1282086012 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ah. < 1282086014 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was less than 1 minute < 1282086025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dave Thomas I find to be one of the more irritating members of the Rubysphere. (God, I just coined that, and feel DIRTY.) < 1282086028 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wondering if anyone knew exactly how crap, is all. < 1282086034 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You don't need to understand CS!" kind of things. < 1282086038 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Eww < 1282086040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the Pragmatic Programmers print some good books tohugh, I think < 1282086043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though < 1282086070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, uh, sort of bought a hefty Rails volume when I was still doing web stuff, still doing Ruby, and they were the only docs available outside of an API reference. < 1282086079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my defence, everyone else was doing it too. Just like heroin. < 1282086083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except less blissful. < 1282086086 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Yes, it looks like. It was highly recommended by two people here who I thought were smarter than that. < 1282086101 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, eeeuuugh. < 1282086102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Who? < 1282086113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, at work or in here? < 1282086119 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. At work. Sorry < 1282086124 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physically-here < 1282086125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I gather that it's not actually a terrible book. < 1282086136 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well not physically *here*... argh < 1282086137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, it's certainly not pretentious enough for us, but it's not a "LOL PROGRAMMING IS EASY!" type thing. < 1282086153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I suppose it's similar to Code Complete -- which I also haven't read. < 1282086170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1282086173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pragmatic_Programmer < 1282086176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From that, it actually seems awful. < 1282086183 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that we're the pretentious people in CS> < 1282086189 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried reading Code Complete. My operating theory is that, like CC, PP is probably an OK book for people whose minds work like that, but it would not help me. < 1282086215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What these books teach me is that I probably don't want to program underneath someone else for a living. < 1282086231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: We're not even proper academia! That's the great thing. < 1282086238 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! < 1282086253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just sit here, dismissing questions as too easy and waffling on about nothing. < 1282086266 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1282086277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: you're making me want to create an esolang inspired by that syntax < 1282086287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :object → receiver, or something < 1282086290 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The weird thing is how heavily "software engineering" concentrates on personality and process -- as if the "writing software that works" part just took care of itself. < 1282086325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: But, dude, with Agile there's so little time left to actually write code that it's impossible to screw up any one component; that'd be like screwing up "Hello, world!" < 1282086339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then AGILE PROCESS ensures that all the pieces stick together! YAY! < 1282086361 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, what was that? I was busy switching context. < 1282086367 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moo. < 1282086398 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting it's all a lost cause ;) < 1282086517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Dave Thomas actually studied computer science. I cannae believe it. < 1282086519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1282086553 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282086582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Can you attempt to explain to me what the hell distinguishes SCRUM! from AGILE!? < 1282086596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it may cause permanent brain damage if you try and think about this stuff, but I'm truly curious. < 1282086621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, is it that Scrum is-a-concrete-instance-of-the-abstract-classifier Agile? < 1282086630 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Urk. Well, as far as *I* have ever been able to tell, Scrum is a kind of Agile. < 1282086662 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Agile" is a descriptive adjective, used specifically to describe a family of techniques. Scrum is a technique. < 1282086669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN MY DAY, people said "Agile" and meant a specific process involving passive-aggressivity, post-it notes and orgies^Wgroup hugs^Wsessions < 1282086710 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe "Agile" to be intentionally vaguely defined so that organizations can say "Why yes, we do Agile here!" < 1282086732 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And just never mind about XP. Just never mind. < 1282086765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's funny, because the C2 wiki -- as well as, you know, being the first -- actually has some of the most level-headed stuff about programming on the web. < 1282086771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's so grounded in XP culture that I have no idea how. < 1282086887 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I haven't checked recently, but last I did, XP seemed virtually dead. < 1282086910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can an /idea/ die? < 1282086966 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in the sense that no one seems to describe themselves as using it. < 1282087000 0 :Gregor-W!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use scrumstreme agilegramming < 1282087040 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I saw it, XP contained the commandment "If XP is broken, fix it". This made XP the Wiki of development methodologies. I think it ended up being diluted into meaninglessness. < 1282087055 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I'm guessing here. I don't talk very long to anyone who seems too into this sort of thing. < 1282087056 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with XP? < 1282087144 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Since XP could be anything at this point (see above), I can't say. < 1282087161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People have turned agile from a silly little game to boost morale and keep focused into a cult. < 1282087167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost comedic. Almost. < 1282087175 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least it's not Lean. < 1282087180 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought XP was just writing tests first, or am I mistaken? < 1282087181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extreme programming should be more like extreme ironing. < 1282087183 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT is something to behold. < 1282087187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPILING ON THE TOP OF A CLIFF < 1282087194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRITING AN OPERATING SYSTEM WHILE BUNGEE JUMPING < 1282087196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YEAH < 1282087204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, that's TDD. Or BDD, depending on your God. < 1282087209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*god. < 1282087226 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BDD = TDD where I pretend my tests are written in English < 1282087318 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I approve of TDD, more or less, btw. < 1282087334 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't always do it myself, but sometimes. < 1282087369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to like TDD, but it turns out that I'm Sick of This Shit and just want to write some fucking code, not spend ages explaining to a computer how my code should work and then writing it. < 1282087380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I explain to it how the code should work once already, by writing it. < 1282087390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, test cases are always so rudimentary, arbitrary and stupid... < 1282087418 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof-Driven Development would be better. < 1282087445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but ... I've become disillusioned a bit with that. < 1282087453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. Who knows. < 1282087489 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main reason I'm OK with TDD is because tests are so much easier to write near the beginning, when the requirements are, uh, not history yet. < 1282087489 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I learn some design patterns? < 1282087517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1282087518 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After code has been out in the wild for a while... shit, good luck knowing how it's "supposed" to be behave. < 1282087525 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, explanation? < 1282087527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Just no. And don't ask why. < 1282087533 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking why < 1282087537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You tell him why. < 1282087582 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Actually you should. But you should learn them without assistance of any books, examples, other people, or other people's code. < 1282087596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No instructional videos either. Dammit! < 1282087611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case Sgeo can't tell, cpressey is telling Sgeo to learn them simply by writing code that uses them, which Sgeo almost certainly does already. < 1282087620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is a completely impartial observer with no sense of identity. < 1282087740 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The classic "gang of four" book on design patterns is not bad, actually, but ... < 1282087775 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to be sure that I'm not a code monkey, and if I am, fix it < 1282087782 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. Originators come up with concept 2. Originators use concept 3. Concept is good 4. Concept is published 5. People start using concept "in the large" 6. Concept is now crap < 1282087825 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold the power of dumbing down. < 1282087841 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Write proofs. Even simple ones. It's the best cure I know of. < 1282087853 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not proofs of programs, necessarily. Just proofs. < 1282087854 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1282087862 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, inception is one of the better movies < 1282087868 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have really njoyed it < 1282087873 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was about to say, I have no idea how proofs of programs work < 1282087894 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i asked this question a few times here < 1282087898 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one gave me a good answer < 1282087915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just want to be sure that I'm not a code monkey, and if I am, fix it < 1282087920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning "design patterns" will make you one < 1282087938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: because it's not that simple < 1282087938 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1282087950 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i studied mathematics < 1282087955 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not that simple either < 1282087972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a random computer illiterate on the street asking you to explain the halting problem, except for program proving we don't have the standard stock answers that make it easy. < 1282087986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm sure that computer illiterate may be a very successful doctor or whatever, which isn't simple < 1282087987 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i followed the whole storyline of inception without getting lost < 1282087990 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not easy!!!! < 1282087991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't make it any easier. < 1282087993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yes it is < 1282087996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just nesting, big whoop < 1282087998 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1282088003 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen Inception yet < 1282088016 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's not easy *in general* < 1282088018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's like the matrix but with more layers of nesting < 1282088023 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as in... it's not easy to me. < 1282088023 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I can only say one more thing on the subject then I have to leave... < 1282088024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and leonardo dicaprio < 1282088027 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was easy to me. < 1282088050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: ok, so you're creating an imagined Average Person who doesn't grok inception so that you can claim you achieved something by grokking inception < 1282088052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha < 1282088101 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1282088113 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guessed, i am projecting my erotic desire. < 1282088121 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what about those program proofs? < 1282088121 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, well I forgot what the question was. < 1282088226 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which costs more, replacement coords for a headset with replacable coords, or very cheap headsets < 1282088238 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace headsets for headphones if headset implies a microphone < 1282088240 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proving properties of programs is not really different from proving properties of the integers. It's just that the integers have a simpler structure. There are an infinite number of possible runs through a program; there are an infinite number of integers. You find a way to link the property you want to prove, to the properties that you already know, by going back to the definitions. < 1282088243 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/for/with/ < 1282088259 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to leave now. Bye! < 1282088265 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye cpressey < 1282088267 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1282088336 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's called induction < 1282088492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey's explanation was crap there, btw. < 1282088800 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGU 1x20 time < 1282088989 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1282089028 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bucket, Stargate Universe < 1282089029 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stargate Voyager? < 1282089053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Clearly, someone has a low opinion of the series. < 1282089070 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they're pointing out the obvious similarity < 1282089086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, uh, newsflash: Voyager is universally hated by EVERYONE but you. < 1282089093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the ACTORS hated Voyager. < 1282089094 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1282089108 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1282089119 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily all of them < 1282089138 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 2 of them, I think < 1282089138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mulgrew and Beltran did, and that's just the ones that have spoken out. < 1282089146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of the writers hate a lot of the work they did.. < 1282089179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The series's "critical acclaim" is a misnomer; it's more "hysterical, sarcastic laughter", and the fan opinion is too horrific to be put into words. < 1282089197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone compared a series to Voyager, especialy a series that has been met with some disdain, it is a deliberate insult. < 1282089233 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are mulgrew and beltran again? < 1282089243 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mulgrew is the actress for Janeway < 1282089248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Janeway and Chakotay. < 1282089258 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were both playing old women < 1282089260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Chakotay's extremely wooden acting was due to Beltran not giving a shit. < 1282089263 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you like to be playing an old woman < 1282089284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not giving a single shit at all. < 1282089298 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1282089301 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways < 1282089304 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i love fucking recruiters < 1282089304 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 09:14 (15 hours ago) Hi XXX, < 1282089304 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1282089304 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I hope you have had a good day, unfortunately mine is not nearly over! < 1282089304 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah, i very well hope your day isn't over at 9 am you worthless bitch < 1282089317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i love fucking recruiters" < 1282089321 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1282089326 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking recruiters are loved by me. < 1282089338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you enjoy congress of a certain nature with recruiters. < 1282089356 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that's a Sgeo-joke! < 1282089367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1282089367 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More evidence that you're turning into me! < 1282089385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You turn things that don't directly say "fucking", "sex", "intercourse" or "snu-snu" into really strained sexual references. < 1282089389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is totally not the same thing. < 1282089411 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I did that, what, once or twice on the same day? < 1282089413 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop arguing with yourself, Sgeo. < 1282089420 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes you look vain. < 1282089424 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282089425 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lonely. < 1282089436 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282089446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99 is like the terrible replacement for augur after augur left at the end of a season, returning only for a few later cameos < 1282089451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i totally started writing that before augur came in. no joke < 1282089469 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: <3 < 1282089517 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you are like Hugh.