< 1282521609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: quick say something < 1282521667 0 :ineiros_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1282521704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ok, how about this: ping me in three seconds? < 1282521706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: or you < 1282521715 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ping < 1282521723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, has to be stornger < 1282521724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stronger < 1282521732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm making X-Chat Suck Less.) < 1282521734 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1282521760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: again! again! < 1282521775 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, pong is a game < 1282521777 0 :ineiros_!~itniemin@cs27065016.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1282521782 0 :distant_figure!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1282521800 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, alise? < 1282521818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am dead < 1282521826 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figured < 1282521878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: let's play aGAIN! that would be FUN! < 1282521910 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1282521914 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1282521917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: YOU HAVE TO PING ME THE ROPE < 1282521932 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| (alise)| < 1282521936 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | < 1282521948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :balls < 1282521958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha that was funny. i am hilarious < 1282522004 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am suddenly aware that I failed to include paddles < 1282522016 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, whatever those paddle things are called, if they had names < 1282522034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rackets? < 1282522079 0 :nooga_!~nooga@77-45-52-193.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1282522116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't seem to find the colour of the division line... < 1282522183 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :red < 1282522192 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1282522209 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1282522214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that one < 1282522215 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know what you meant, I think < 1282522216 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1282522217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, i dunno if it's configurable < 1282522220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vertical one < 1282522225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm making xchat look less horrific < 1282522396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: babble < 1282522397 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i should really do c, do d" as " if(foo) a; b; else c; d;", but it's hard to let go of my ankle, willya < 1282522408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: babble again < 1282522408 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: do not mention that io does not fnord fnord < 1282522410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: babble again < 1282522411 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: xtofius drscheme is the ide thingy for) is one instruction: 0 days 4 hours 23 mins 39 secs signon: thu sep 14 fnord colin kernel: bttv0: using: fnord < 1282522413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1282522420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: babble again < 1282522420 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, but i < 1282522423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: babble again < 1282522426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ^ < 1282522473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Want to pack JS and CSS really well? Convert it to a PNG and unpack it via Canvas" < 1282522474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no words < 1282522492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by peer review < 1282522499 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282522501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: babble < 1282522510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: make fungot babble plz < 1282522646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: or you < 1282522696 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282522702 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282522706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or anyone < 1282522754 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282522763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please? :P < 1282522795 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, babble < 1282522795 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: oh well, ( 1)...) < 1282522799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: abc < 1282522800 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ( catch throw, by the way, fnord < 1282522800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: abc < 1282522801 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i thought about 2, but it is not important anymore.) < 1282522802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: abc < 1282522802 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ( and yes, it did nothing when i hit submit < 1282522803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: abc < 1282522803 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: if i have a romanian friend who just graduated and his homepage was also at ccs.neu.edu. thanks < 1282522804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: abc < 1282522806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1282522807 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1282522808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the indent < 1282522818 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What style is it on? < 1282522818 0 :zeotrope_!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1096752322.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1282522820 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LISP? < 1282522822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1282522822 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1282522824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just irc < 1282522833 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp should be a style < 1282522837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1282522850 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1282522852 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define name "lisp") < 1282522866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not lisp < 1282522866 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the syntax for string literals in Scheme < 1282522872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh, "foo" < 1282522885 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...So, what's wrong? < 1282522905 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Scheme is a Lisp < 1282522914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not really. < 1282522928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite a way away from the other languages of the Lisp tradition. < 1282522946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, I may just have to write my own IRC client, god help me. < 1282522954 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I like defaults < 1282522975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1282522984 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like customizing stuff < 1282522992 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I did switch the font to Dejavu Sans Mono < 1282522993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and ...? < 1282523002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you telling me this? < 1282523017 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought it would give you a headache. It didn't. < 1282523026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it ... < 1282523069 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you... I don't know < 1282523156 0 :chickenzilla!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1282523178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh, i wish there was a decent text-rendering library < 1282523186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Pango but with less suckery? < 1282523191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pango sucks at jusified text i think < 1282523193 0 :chickenzilla!~chicken@olol.eu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282523198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that true? < 1282523212 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Chrome: Stop ignoring random input! < 1282523240 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it will ignore context menu clicks < 1282523262 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it will fail to recognize that I typed something into the address bar < 1282523267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray midori < 1282523316 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Justified text? Yeah, everything but TeX sucks at justified text. < 1282523331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but is Pango ok at it, or? < 1282523340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yeah, Bitstream Charter is amazing; i can confirm < 1282523489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TABLE FAILING < 1282523490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAA < 1282523504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE;LP < 1282523558 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Falcon has tabular computing! < 1282523565 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sends alise a falcon < 1282523723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The Gameboy has what amounts to an 8080 in it... < 1282523731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could port CPM to it. < 1282523732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1282523732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i have what amounts to a broken table < 1282523733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new < 1282523769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great now it's broken the wrong way < 1282523933 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you, Gmail < 1282526012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@exp $f 0 := '(x => x) < 1282526012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@exp $f n := '(x => f $(exp f (n-1))) < 1282526017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT'S THAT MACROS OH MY < 1282526095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@exp : ast(a -> a) -> nat -> ast(a -> a) < 1282526095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@exp $f 0 := '(x => x) < 1282526096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@exp $f n := '(x => f $(exp f (n-1))) < 1282526184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1282526200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exp succ 3 == (x => succ (succ (succ x)))) < 1282526223 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION CAPSLOCKS BY ACCIDENT < 1282526641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH ACCIDENTAL CAPSLOCK ENVELOPED < 1282526949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh! I need asyncore. < 1282526950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: make it god < 1282526953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*good < 1282526963 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm? < 1282526973 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because I used asyncore for something once... < 1282527002 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1282527014 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) This computer professor sent us word documents < 1282527026 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) for a class I was enrolled in several years ago < 1282527074 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a broken form email < 1282527105 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The attached document is about the correct class < 1282527166 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got another email correcting it < 1282527175 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyways, do you want to see my code? < 1282527224 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses < 1282527323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1282527350 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if I can find it < 1282527372 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh, it's on my old computer < 1282527374 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on < 1282527548 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282527750 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ancient Firefox just crashed < 1282527879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: http://pastie.org/1108844.txt?key=klmt98oegcgnkpdzdufxdq make this less insanely indented < 1282527906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1282527907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indentation fail < 1282527908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1282527967 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My code is not for ircadmin, but for a different chat protocol < 1282527980 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf at autocomplete < 1282527995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess < 1282527997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTIVE WORLDS CHAT < 1282527999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or haver < 1282528007 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The later < 1282528016 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latter < 1282528020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haver is kinda shit < 1282528024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't fix any of irc's actual problems < 1282528076 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, an AW chat bot that didn't use the sdk would probably break some tos < 1282528149 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1282528157 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1 is obviously an imposter < 1282528171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow asyncore.loop is retarded < 1282528183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the map a dictionary instead of a list < 1282528186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows? WHO THE FUCK KNOWS? HAHAHAHA < 1282528209 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Gmail < 1282528216 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me download the fucking att.. there we go < 1282528285 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :raw_chat.py: http://pastie.org/private/4gmcayohanftkdt1tymzq < 1282528313 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haverchat.py: http://pastie.org/private/26wqwowsye05pum4ftztg < 1282528333 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282528369 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pyhaver.py, which doesn't use haverchat.py (hence nor raw_chat.py), but is a bit more tested: http://pastie.org/private/yuyd220kww6n5zlmvsguhw < 1282528374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asyncore != asynchat < 1282528397 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asynchat requires direct use of asyncore < 1282528427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does. < 1282528428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only one function# < 1282528431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/#// < 1282528458 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads his code and decides alise has a point < 1282528583 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May I ask why you need asyncore? < 1282528591 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for non-asynchat reasons? < 1282528603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because asynchat sucks < 1282528609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider e.g. multiple terminators < 1282528635 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1282528649 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hmms < 1282528695 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point < 1282528928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many years it take until ipv4 is optional in the linux kernel? Presumably it will die out some day, and turn into a "unless you know you want this, you don't" thing < 1282528956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it won't < 1282528961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ipv6 is a non-starter < 1282528970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will happen is mass NATing < 1282528972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it is happening already < 1282528979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whole ISPs on one NAT will happen soon enough < 1282529028 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that would be a disaster for many people < 1282529035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, like you. < 1282529040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed < 1282529044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISPs have been fucking everything up for years < 1282529051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you planning for that by now? < 1282529051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I need to be able to ssh home < 1282529060 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I do have an ipv6 tunnel at home < 1282529081 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you're a pessimist? < 1282529095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway we will run out of nat soon too... when data centers fail to allocate new ips < 1282529101 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then ipv6 will be forced < 1282529133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah nating won't solve the issue < 1282529136 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all new application protocols will just have to mention the host name < 1282529138 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like htt < 1282529141 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http 1.1 does < 1282529168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, I do think, and hope, ipv6 will be forced into use < 1282529177 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at most nating will delay it 2-3 years < 1282529192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise, you're a pessimist? < 1282529205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm extrapolating based on existing trends and the unlikelihood of ipv6 adoption < 1282529218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a knowledge of how little ISPs care about customers < 1282529227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not if you start NATing entire countries < 1282529229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qatar does this < 1282529233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, all major *OS*es support ipv6 out of box now though < 1282529236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yepp < 1282529238 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ... what? < 1282529241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ISP infrastructure is not getting replaced < 1282529246 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely ISPs have corporate customers < 1282529251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those old programs aren't getting updated < 1282529256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: indeed; they don't care either < 1282529270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, the opinions I am expressing are exactly identical to the ones ais523 expressed only days ago on this matter. < 1282529287 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go cry somewhere < 1282529319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1282529322 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, yeah :( < 1282529638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just gonna use http://docs.python.org/library/select.html < 1282529639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of asyncore < 1282529709 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, considering that you're working with sockets instead of pipes, your client can be Win32-compatible < 1282529721 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still bitter < 1282529752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: um. asyncore uses select() < 1282529764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note File objects on Windows are not acceptable, but sockets are. On Windows, the underlying select() function is provided by the WinSock library, and does not handle file descriptors that don’t originate from WinSock. < 1282529765 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, on sockets, I assume < 1282529771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who said i would use pipes < 1282529777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i will be using pipes at some point < 1282529780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for external commands < 1282529783 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, PSOX < 1282529784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have 0 interest in windows compatibility < 1282529801 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX had to change its spec to avoid select to maintain theoretical Windows compatibility < 1282529825 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and i have 0 interest in windows compatibility <--- wait, didn't you say cfunge was stupid because it didn't support windows at one point < 1282529828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: how amazing. < 1282529835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as part of a larger complaint, probably. < 1282529847 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or alise is inconsistent < 1282529853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, i just don't remember doing that < 1282529861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assume past-me had eir reasons /or/ was trying to piss off Vorpal < 1282529863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter is very likely < 1282529871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah I think you complained about lots of other things that time too < 1282529896 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, still it seems a bit strange you have no interest in windows support now < 1282529902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see last message < 1282529927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, aka trolling < 1282529939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1282529943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked though didn't it < 1282529948 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1! 2! 3! 4! This is how we Vorpal-alise war! < 1282529950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you should be ashamed of yourself < 1282529956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why? < 1282529969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and it didn't, if it had worked it would have been me implementing windows support < 1282529971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't < 1282529979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it was you who ported it to cygwin, remember? < 1282529989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is hardly windows < 1282529999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it worked because you still remember < 1282530007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1282530022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but then I have a good memory for some things < 1282531175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge: use all meanings of affect and effect in a single sentence that doesn't sound _too_ contrived < 1282531961 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All students who have laptops on campus and would like to use the Farmingdale wireless have to have < 1282531961 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installed the Symantec < 1282531961 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endpoint Protection AntiVirus." < 1282531964 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate my school < 1282532241 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, tell them you have OS X? < 1282532245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1282532257 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably works better than saying linux < 1282532266 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just asked my professor < 1282532270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, and? < 1282532273 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that e likely knows or cares) < 1282532277 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, via email < 1282532308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1282532337 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/12ac73d3jdksp2djd9mapg < 1282532340 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The email I sent < 1282532354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, hm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symantec_Endpoint_Protection says it exists for linux < 1282532366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Might I suggest going to a school with a less incompetent IT department? < 1282532381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems somewhat intrusive though < 1282532409 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laptop hybernating soon < 1282532419 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, after I graduate from here < 1282532420 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hybernating? < 1282532435 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes. Storing the contents of memory on disk < 1282532439 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that I might sleep < 1282532442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, you fail at spelling < 1282532451 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1282532452 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1282532456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, the word has no y afaik < 1282532463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Inform them that installing any non-free software would be an unacceptable security risk, and ask for source code. < 1282532469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, "hibernating" is what you mean < 1282532510 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happening now < 1282532528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1282532530 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1282532596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Symantec sucks ass. < 1282532624 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather boot into Linux than use Symantec < 1282532647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather apply nail to eye than use Symantec. < 1282532652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less painful. < 1282532672 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, I think my current AV may be broken < 1282532679 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282532788 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282533602 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders where his dad is < 1282534338 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case anyone was worried or otherwise cares: don't be < 1282534342 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's ok < 1282534943 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282534953 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282535043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo_: Inform them that installing any non-free software would be an unacceptable security risk, and ask for source code. < 1282535046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"act intelligent to retards" < 1282535048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never good advice < 1282535101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you were writing an irc /client/ would you use select() or epoll() :-D < 1282535165 0 :aschueler!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1282535199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, okay, fine. Walk through their office with a bulk eraser. < 1282535354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why is epoll() such a horrific API? < 1282535412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Because fuck you. < 1282535420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just use asyncore for now. < 1282536000 0 :botte!~botte@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282536003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi botte! < 1282536012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?x < 1282536020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right i don't have a handler for that yet < 1282536021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1282536030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: behold my fearsome, entirely useless bot < 1282536038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it supports multiple servers! < 1282536083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Vejn < 1282536094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I agree... vejn. Now what does vejn mean? < 1282536100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win. < 1282536113 0 :botte!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282536116 0 :botte!~botte@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282536116 0 :botte!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts. < 1282536173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :botte: I concur. < 1282536178 0 :botte!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282536217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 244 < 1282536225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the most hideously complex IRC-echoer EVER. < 1282536238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even loads plugins! Although it does fuck all with those plugins. < 1282536249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's not bad for getting a TCP/IP connection. :P < 1282536258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ha, you C programmer. :P < 1282536258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hates BSD sockets) < 1282536269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No BSD sockets here, all crappy crappy asyncore crap! < 1282536273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: What langauge? < 1282536280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python. < 1282536285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's shit, hooray! < 1282536310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Haskell. < 1282536325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if you can stand the syntax and the typing and the pain, Erlang. :P < 1282536335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has several flaws that unfortunately make it unsuitable for botte. However, I /would/ rewrite it in [unnamed language #n]. < 1282536343 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk! < 1282536349 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof! < 1282536365 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What flaws does Haskell have for these purposes? < 1282536384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language features SMP concurrent threads communciating in functionally safe ways, asynchronous everything but with continuations so it's not painful, a sane multiplexer that can do asynchronous socket IO etc. without each component knowing about each other at the core, and a good type system. < 1282536386 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vala if you want a compiled language? < 1282536399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which actually /would/ make botte a very, very happy project. < 1282536408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and code reloading ala Erlang, too. < 1282536412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, this language does not exist. < 1282536419 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, bye bye Haskell < 1282536433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell just plain isn't suitable. :P < 1282536443 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never quite learner how code reloading works in Erlang < 1282536443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, you could *do* that in Haskell, but you'd have to write the infrastructure... < 1282536452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At which point you may as well make AliseLang. < 1282536455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not the good type system! < 1282536463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yeah, it is /theoretically/ possible in Haskell, but bleh. < 1282536467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, yeah, that's hard to extend. < 1282536469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want to be the one tasked to do it. < 1282536498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, I settle with the FFI That Thinks It's a Language; Python. < 1282536513 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just write an easy abstraction thing for asyncore < 1282536520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, asyncore is shit underneath < 1282536543 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd sleep but I'm hungey < 1282536548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I need code structuring opinions! Should IRCClient handle joining channels on connect and the like, or the Bot that contains it? < 1282536563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ the client, since it's client-specific, but in some sense you could see the Bot as the overbearing, slightly creepy father of the clients. Aww. < 1282536571 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :84fb75c9 < 1282536574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The clients will have things like .say(target, message), so... < 1282536579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, I dunno how thick I want them to be. < 1282536583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think they should handle ghosting nicks. < 1282536598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I'm not sure where that leaves the bot, apart from handling and replying to messages... which is actually a pretty big deal I guess. < 1282536622 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it irclib sucks? < 1282536625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: yep. < 1282536630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't solve this problem besides < 1282536640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention NIH. < 1282536647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: To give you a sense of how good I'd like the type system to be: a complete, type-safe encoding of IRC. < 1282536649 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use Smalltalk? < 1282536652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right down to the modes. < 1282536660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing is a string apart from, well, message bodies. < 1282536665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You could actually do this in Plof. < 1282536668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I started doing this in Haskell but it was Quite Painful. < 1282536671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, Plof has no static type system :P < 1282536672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You'd start by adding a type system. < 1282536677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: because it has absolutely 0 features suitable for this < 1282536683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it is more flexible than Lisp. < 1282536689 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok,type safety pretty much throws Smalltalk out, but Python too < 1282536689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeaaaah :P no thanks < 1282536700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Python because it's the lowest common denominator, as I said. < 1282536706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: By the way, start using Bitstream Charter for IRC. Now. :| < 1282536718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ... everything < 1282536725 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alise, remind me tomorrow < 1282536730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: To? < 1282536739 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use that font for everything < 1282536796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Okay. < 1282536799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's damn good on-screen! < 1282536811 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sshould eat something, but there's not much I'm willing to eat < 1282536811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: < 1282536813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ccxvii.net/gargoyle/shots/tads-lcd.png (if LCD screen) < 1282536819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ccxvii.net/gargoyle/shots/tads-crt.png (if non-LCD) < 1282536835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I am saying is: god damn look how beautiful it is, it's a beautiful serif almost optimised for screen. < 1282536842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(optimised for 300dpi 80s laser printers) < 1282536849 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not monospaced < 1282536854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: YOU DON'T SAY! < 1282536863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Luxi Mono is a nice serify monospaced font that goes well with it.) < 1282536894 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would Luxury work for Methadone? < 1282536903 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack < 1282536925 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luxi < 1282536933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1282536944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Methadone? < 1282536964 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love autocorrect on this thing < 1282536995 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although what it tried to autocorrect was Nethack. It left NetHack aloneosh < 1282537003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloneosh < 1282537138 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts an amulet of restful sleep on alise. Well, I think it's restful sleep. Could be Strangulation < 1282537167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why sleep. < 1282537188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 'Cause. < 1282537243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Released under a licence which permits free distribution but not modification, the Luxi fonts are not free software. This led to their removal from Fedora as well as the Debian package of XFree86. < 1282537245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately < 1282537249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but luxi mono is really nice < 1282537319 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the point of releasing free stuff if modification is allowed? If you don't want money, surely you want your stuff to be widely used... < 1282537331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1282537334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if modification isn't allowed? < 1282537337 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't < 1282537343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corporation etc. < 1282537348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want their work tarnished < 1282537354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to keep a good name for a high standard < 1282537364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want people piggybacking off their design < 1282537423 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1282537443 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282537665 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My water's clean and my water's free, so Pond Erosa, you gonna thank me < 1282537705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aieee, OpenBSD songs. < 1282537708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my cue to run -> < 1282537710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by peer review < 1282537781 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome, I can put alise to sleep on command < 1282539055 0 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@32.165.33.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282539107 0 :SgeoN3!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282539209 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282539317 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1282539951 0 :SgeoN3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1282539955 0 :SgeoN3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1282539969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You suck. < 1282539997 0 :SgeoN3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1282540439 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716] < 1282540657 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282541851 0 :SgeoN3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1282542361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses cat for its original purpose < 1282544372 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1282545761 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282546588 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282546871 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1282547626 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-113.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282547855 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1282548868 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282548940 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1282548946 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282549341 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1282549625 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1282550399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1282550400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1282552482 0 :zeotrope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1282552554 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1282553398 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1282553398 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1282553399 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1282554018 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282554018 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282554018 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282555396 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1282555982 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1282556337 0 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-52-193.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1282557035 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282559284 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1282560557 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1282560558 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1282560558 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282561198 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1282561566 0 :MizardX-!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1282561758 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282561776 0 :MizardX-!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MizardX < 1282567072 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282568415 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah: "The stateOrProvinceName field needed to be the same in the CA certificate (None) and the request (None)". < 1282568631 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1282568906 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1282569116 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E3E8B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282569216 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-203-58.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282569229 0 :Slereah!~nigger@ANantes-259-1-46-130.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1282569470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything has conspired against me to make me wake up at 6. < 1282569539 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282569753 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282569813 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1282569814 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1282569814 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282570084 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fiendish perspiracy. I mean, a conspiracy. < 1282571315 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282571463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Everything has conspired against me to make me wake up at 6. <-- heh < 1282571469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how so? < 1282571595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: SUN CAT NOISE ALLERGY < 1282571604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, take some word salad instead of an answer. < 1282571820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1282571895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in Sweden we have these things called "rullgardin" that guards against sun cats. Google translate seem to suggest "1. pulldown 2. blind 3. shade" for it < 1282571898 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1282571955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is assuming sun cat means the same as in Swedish < 1282571965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be hilarious if it didn't < 1282572198 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allergy for the noises made by the sun cats. < 1282574072 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282575420 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1282576005 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1282576072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, poor Yorick, I knew him well. < 1282576092 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1282576208 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, poor Yorick, e hears that a lot < 1282576375 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid name :( < 1282577232 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1282577757 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-94.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282578289 0 :ski!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1282578627 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282578673 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282578903 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1282579110 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282579219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Alas, poor Yorick, I knew him well. <-- what? < 1282579265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Shakespear misquoting < 1282579268 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to google < 1282579278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' The opening words are very commonly misquoted as "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him well." ' < 1282579368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia claims it is: "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy; he hath borne me on his back a thousand times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! My gorge rises at it. Here hung those lips that I have kissed I know not how oft. Where be your gibes now? (Hamlet, V.i)" < 1282579369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1282580418 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I took what I'd like to call a cloudorama (sounds better than "cloud panorama"), I have no idea how it will turn out, but parallax should not be the main issue... Will take a bit to process it < 1282580432 0 :ski!~slj@c-3810e055.1149-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1282580435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some quite interesting cloud shapes today < 1282580489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm forgot to set constant exposure, might have some problems with that < 1282580492 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, we will see... < 1282580739 0 :augur!~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282580930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1282581011 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm used to people misquoting it < 1282581074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, incidentally, is it possible to capture a whole rainbow without distorting perspective? < 1282581075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, I can't make much sense of the correct quote, but then I'm not a native English speaker... So this quite dated English is a bit problematic... < 1282581109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, define distorting perspective. < 1282581113 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think more people have this problem < 1282581120 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks this channel contains geeks < 1282581126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, probably, I don't think pikhq does though < 1282581130 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, straight lines becoming curves etc. < 1282581140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noticeably, as well. < 1282581147 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in fact, I've only heard it correctly the first time once :) < 1282581155 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by someone who played the role in a play < 1282581159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, define "noticeably" in precise mathematical terms :P < 1282581169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, haha < 1282581172 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knew the correct version beforehand < 1282581180 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I can < 1282581184 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't* say I knew it < 1282581186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before googling < 1282581191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And has never studied Hamlet appreciabl < 1282581205 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be all like "OMG you misquoted", but I gave up on that < 1282581229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, why didn't Shakespeare put the best-known line from the play into it? < 1282581255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway I have no clue, presumably if you printed the image large and put it up on a curved wall it would work < 1282581272 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would require you to stand at a specific point though < 1282581283 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, FWIW a whole rainbow is always exactly 84° wide < 1282581334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that would be possible with a moderate fisheye lens. Then you could use hugin or similar softwares to correct it < 1282581366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So some sort of transform would be required? < 1282581549 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, from a fisheye? Yes by your definition of "distorting perspective" < 1282581560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all lenses distort perspective more or less < 1282581563 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282581758 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, hence "noticeable". < 1282581781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if you showed it to someone on the street, would they notice the distortion. < 1282581997 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, doubtful, he had a white cane (not sure if it means the same over there, but here it is used by blind people) < 1282582077 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, are you really so unaware of other cultures that you assume that everything is utterly different? < 1282582119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? I just assume things might be different over there when I don't know otherwise < 1282582124 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: might < 1282582145 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you do it so much that it becomes rather ridiculous. < 1282582151 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1282582162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if you meant the "blinds" thing above, that was a joke yes < 1282582227 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282582229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EAGR6 I8# < 1282582253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :farlk < 1282582339 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take offence to that last statement! < 1282582371 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1282582467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i farl < 1282582469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& tisp < 1282582473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at fl'rd of st'mt < 1282582475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arkin d'bra < 1282582499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1282582500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and q < 1282582503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and r b u < 1282582506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1282582512 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282582516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X! and R! and R R R! < 1282582739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone please tell me why X-Chat doesn't let you configure a colour? < 1282582764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it was written by FASCISTS < 1282582886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1282582890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrf < 1282582905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: or, at least, people who suck at ui design < 1282582972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FASCISTS who suck at UI design. < 1282582976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I find a decent client, well, I'll be forced to write that smart IRC lib and a decently-designed IRC client on top of it < 1282582986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what gargoyle does for IF, for IRC! < 1282582996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gargoyle? IF? < 1282583001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interactive Fiction. < 1282583007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, text adventures. But more literary. < 1282583023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gargoyle is an interpreter for them that actually pays attention to typography: http://ccxvii.net/gargoyle/screenshots.html < 1282583043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, you know, quite important for literature. < 1282583044 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1282583062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them just put unantialiased Arial without line spacing in a big window, white on blue. < 1282583063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eurgh. < 1282583071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vomitious. < 1282583091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arial isn't *that* bad. < 1282583099 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just terribly overused. < 1282583109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is, though, it's like Helvetica but ugly. < 1282583114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And /unantialiased/ Arial... < 1282583121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's just say that I've never seen more jaggy lines. < 1282583145 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen people saying that antialiasing is a terrible thing. < 1282583146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://orvp.net/xchat/simplyglyphed/simplyglyphed-compact.png < 1282583150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $// < 1282583152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A midsummer night's IRC. < 1282583173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Tuomov sharse that opinion. But then tuomov is my designated "person who pisses everyone off but is intelligent enough that I should read what he says to broaden my horizons". < 1282583187 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's Tuomov? < 1282583210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuomov Valkonen, author of Ion3. < 1282583219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, that tiling window manager that you heard about when he changed the license to a crazy non-FOSS one. < 1282583230 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1282583237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disillusionment. < 1282583243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With... < 1282583253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distro maintainers. < 1282583273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't necessarily agree with his opinions; it's just that he gives enough intelligent justification for most of them -- if you ignore the abrasiveness -- that it's worth reading. < 1282583278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although he's taken his blog down as of late. < 1282583283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, his "not a blog". < 1282583430 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the non-FOSS licence forbid? < 1282583559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uh, it said that you couldn't call derivative works "ion", and that if a distrobution's package was older than, I think, 30 days, it had to give the user a big glaring warning and point them to the website. < 1282583569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Originally, iirc, it said that distros had to update within N days of a release.) < 1282583575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was more to stop distros packaging it altogether than to get better packaging. < 1282583588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since, obviously, none of them wanted to package non-FOSS software in the first place, let alone comply with the terms.) < 1282583593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the name bit seems reminiscent of what Mozilla does, so not completely crazy. < 1282583603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: We're talking any single code change at all here. < 1282583613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/not// < 1282583656 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the age thing is completely insane. < 1282583668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, it wasn't intended to be sane. < 1282583687 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was intended to spite distro managers? < 1282583735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically. Anyway, that isn't really the important part; his blog was. < 1282583756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underneath the fuming moron lay someone with actually good ideas (along with some kooky ones, but all well-justified). < 1282583773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I decided, to balance out the self-affirming crap I, like everyone, read, I'd read his blog too. < 1282583775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well justified yet kooky? < 1282583778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well worth it. < 1282583781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that even work? < 1282583783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, just some ones I didn't agree with, really. < 1282583792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he had arguments in various stages of compelling for all of them. < 1282583797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly an intelligent guy. < 1282583820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, I disagreed that antialiasing sucked and bitmap fonts were superior on current screens, but I at least respected the opinion. < 1282583838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He switched to Windows from Linux right before he gave up on his blog. Even that managed to be slightly convincing as to its sanity. < 1282583849 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link or archive? < 1282584023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately no archive. < 1282584033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :archive.org < 1282584036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the Internet Archive has maybe one or two posts; I don't know their URLs, so I can't help you. < 1282584037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried. < 1282584042 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did he fiddle his robots.text? < 1282584048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1282584053 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/text/txt/ < 1282584056 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastard. < 1282584062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would email tuomov@iki.fi if you want to read any of it. Although he'll probably yell at you. < 1282584064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, maybe not. < 1282584069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pages are there in the archive. < 1282584072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not recent pages. < 1282584076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :robots.txt blocks even old ones, I think. < 1282584094 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, only versions of pages post-adding of restrictions. < 1282584183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20070513131756/http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/b/ The last archive is from 2007. < 1282584215 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That strongly implies robots.txt use. < 1282584218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His best posts aren't there. < 1282584229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He might have just blocked all robots to e.g. keep Google out. < 1282584236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Why? < 1282584244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1282584248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Found < 1282584248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The requested URL /~tuomov/robots.txt was not found on this server. < 1282584249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose not. < 1282584254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although /b/ is not found too. < 1282584258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he may have just nuked it. < 1282584755 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282584832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by peer review < 1282584850 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282584852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gggg < 1282584852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1282584856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the g is fucke'st up < 1282584905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1282585043 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282585051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, default freetype subpixel rendering is so bad it's comical < 1282585060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "gouge my eyes out with a rusty fork" comical < 1282585095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you told us this several times before < 1282585116 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282585132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, i said freetype patched rendering is bad < 1282585146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unpatched freetype rendering is, in a literally visible to every single person way, colour fringing on /every single vertical line/ < 1282585147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yellow < 1282585157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sublime in its hideousness < 1282585159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, patched? you mean the patent thingy? < 1282585166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a non-patented patch < 1282585168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you claimed both the patent free and the patent ones were horrible < 1282585193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1282585200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was meaning the patched, patent-free ones < 1282585211 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patched with what patch? < 1282585211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :world-wide userbase of totally unpatched freetype set to subpixel is 0 < 1282585213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any patch < 1282585230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the one that fix a typo in a comment? ;P < 1282585236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1282585241 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiiight < 1282585246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3DNow!™ Instructions are Being Deprecated" < 1282585251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not being included in future processors < 1282585251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1282585253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--AMD < 1282585284 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, this is like the first time x86 breaks backward compat then < 1282585291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly x86 :-P < 1282585299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway who writes x86-64 code that uses 3DNow!??? < 1282585303 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1282585306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it could be 32-bit code being run i guess < 1282585313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is what I meant < 1282585325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32-bit x86 code which uses 3dnow is quite plausible < 1282585325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still ... everything has an SSE path < 1282585331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no popular software ran just on AMD < 1282585332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we'll be Fine < 1282585343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Now we will see how many cowboys just checked for 'AUTHENTICAMD' and assumed 3DNow as a result.]] < 1282585344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the real problem < 1282585346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(--reddit) < 1282585360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1282585387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why it's AUTHENTICAMD, to distinguish from ACTUALLYFAKESORRYAMD? < 1282585389 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, unbalanced [ and ] < 1282585392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1282585393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*[[ < 1282585418 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is actually AuthenticAMD < 1282585423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1282585424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with case like that < 1282585428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ActuallyFakeSorryAMD < 1282585438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why is it GenuineIntel < 1282585439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1282585447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also that string is too long < 1282585451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fit in the cpuid < 1282585472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaddap :) < 1282585475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ImitationIntel < 1282585478 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice AuthenticAMD and GenuineIntel has exactly the same length < 1282585526 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPUID#EAX.3D0:_Get_vendor_ID < 1282585537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CyrixInstead is quite nice < 1282585554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IntelCorporn < 1282585566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have to be alphanum? < 1282585573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly not < 1282585588 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why do OpenBSD songs scare you so? < 1282585610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intel EMT64" < 1282585613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they're shit. < 1282585624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Utter shit. < 1282585634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, Vorpal, you like OpenBSD. < 1282585641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me, Vorpal, exactly how shitty are the release songs? < 1282585644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I didn't say I liked their release songs < 1282585650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said that either. < 1282585651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I said I liked the OS < 1282585652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How terrible are they? < 1282585659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just, 1 to 10 scale. < 1282585676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, iirc 3.6 is quite passable considering. But the rest... -2 ? < 1282585682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: See? < 1282585687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and considering is "considering it is country western" < 1282585689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even OpenBSD fans cannot stand the release songs. < 1282585701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm not a "fan" as such < 1282585702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But all country/western has the exact same level of shittiness; infinite! < 1282585707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is a decent OS < 1282585713 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but calling me a fan is taking it too far < 1282585718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAN FAN FAN FAN < 1282585725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fan, eggs and fan < 1282585730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns on a table top fan < 1282585739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabletop* < 1282585740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fan fan fan fan fan fan fan fan fan... < 1282585753 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why are you speaking in Swedish now? < 1282585758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in // < 1282585767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wir fan fan fan auf der Autobahn < 1282585775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeh? < 1282585780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was German < 1282585782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kraftwerk reference. < 1282585784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually *fahren. < 1282585811 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sv:fan = {en:fan,en:devil,en:damn} < 1282585811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenBSD has release songs? < 1282585826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html < 1282585828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold! < 1282585830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, though not en:fan in the sense of "device moving air" < 1282585838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for that it would be sv:fläkt < 1282585863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The Apache group started from the humble beginnings of just being 'a patchy' set of changes to a completely free web server of dubious quality. But the years have changed them, and what they supply is now quite non-free... released under a license so entangled in legalese that we have absolutely no doubt that there are encumbrances hidden within. Legal terms protect. Who are they protecting? Not your f < 1282585863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reedom.]] < 1282585865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ... < 1282585868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're calling Apache non-free < 1282585873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tee hee. < 1282585879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, at least they stopped the commentary < 1282585882 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with recent ones < 1282585887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2004, it appears. < 1282585906 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1282585913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that long ago? < 1282585920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1282585979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, 4.4 has commentary < 1282585992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean -- < 1282585996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They called Apache non-free in 2004. < 1282585999 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1282586017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it has a less bsdy license than they like < 1282586025 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call gpl non-free too... so what do you expect? < 1282586038 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What license was XFree86 under? BSD with advertising? < 1282586085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1282586086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :custom < 1282586094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after they changed < 1282586109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Versions of XFree86 up to and including some release candidates for 4.4.0 were under the MIT License, a permissive, non-copyleft free software license. XFree86 4.4 was released in February 2004 with a change to the license: the addition of a credit clause,[15] similar to that in the original BSD license,[16] but broader in scope. Many projects relying on XFree86 found the new license unacceptable,[17] an < 1282586109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d the Free Software Foundation considers it incompatible with the version 2 of the GNU General Public License, but compatible with version 3.[18] The XFree86 Project states that the license is "as GPL compatible as any and all previous versions were", but does not mention which version or versions of the GPL this is valid for.[19] < 1282586116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xfree86.org/legal/licenses.html < 1282586121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's similar to BSD4, yes. < 1282586149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants BSD-5 < 1282586187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD-700 would be the GPL I think < 1282586244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD1! < 1282586269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Using vacuous schema" --nXML. < 1282586271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, nXML. < 1282586273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever you say. < 1282586309 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282586361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tramp /sudo:: is awesome < 1282586366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-x C-f /sudo::/etc/fonts/local.conf < 1282586367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Works < 1282586398 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tramp? < 1282586406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs thing. < 1282586435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what distro? < 1282586447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any < 1282586449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stock emacs < 1282586454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/su:: also works < 1282586463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ... that wasn't what I meant < 1282586474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux distro? < 1282586477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what I meant was what distro you are editing /etc/fonts/local.conf on < 1282586480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch < 1282586483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1282586502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu comes with a basically decent lcd patch by default so i don't need to fuck about with this as much < 1282586507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it still has some borkenness though) < 1282586540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1282586551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, OR you could turn off subpixel :P < 1282586563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less colour distortion < 1282586574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no colour distortion with a high dpi display like i have and a good patch < 1282586579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unhinted non-subpixel is an non-starter < 1282586583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too low resolution < 1282586587 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unhinted yes < 1282586589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and hinting is destroying my fonts) < 1282586594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1282586609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a gentoo user, you sure do hate it when people prefer other settings to the ones you use. < 1282586625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance http://ccxvii.net/gargoyle/shots/tads-lcd.png < 1282586630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has absolutely 0 visible colour distortion. < 1282586634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the point of typefaces on screen is to make text readable IMO. Sure for logos you might have somewhat different requirements, but apart from that.. < 1282586640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1282586643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hinting is making the type unreadable < 1282586656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I find full hinting on dejavu works very well < 1282586658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because freetype sucks at hinting < 1282586665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like hand-made bitmapped fonts too < 1282586666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look Vorpal i really don't give half a shit what you like in your fonts or not < 1282586673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so please stop trying to convert me < 1282586680 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, opengenera has some awesome bitmapped fonts < 1282586704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that text is blurry though. < 1282586714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, this is on a 96 DPI TFT monitor < 1282586729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, this isn't < 1282586738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a 128 ppi TFT display of good quality < 1282586747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not blurry here. < 1282586753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks exactly like a book < 1282586783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what is that strange text adventure btw < 1282586792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :text adventure != interactive fiction < 1282586800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people stopped making text adventures a while ago < 1282586802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it looked like a text adventure < 1282586805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1282586811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interactive fiction is text adventures < 1282586812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just matured < 1282586818 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, matured? < 1282586823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has subpixel smoothing on < 1282586824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more like a novel < 1282586828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1282586834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't no that was meant to be a bad thing. < 1282586839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't < 1282586840 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/no/know/ < 1282586843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal just dislikes it < 1282586851 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I like the good old text adventures < 1282586976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :General rule: someone who says "good old" is speaking through nostalgia, rather than reality. < 1282586983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm crap at them. < 1282586997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get past the start of "Spider and Web". < 1282587103 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION begins pondering Flatland < 1282587111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, now that I have separate X screens and no Xinerama nonsense (because turning Xine on makes X segfault...), maybe I could finally get per-screen subpixel orderings and/or settings. < 1282587128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Xinerama nonsense? Why, you could use ion3! < 1282587135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just because I listen to him doesn't mean I can't mock him.) < 1282587144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But, wait, why would you turn on Xine? < 1282587220 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was a needlessly confusing abbreviation for "Xinerama" there. :p < 1282587226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. :P < 1282587239 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1282587403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I was thinking Xinerama was some home entertainment thing < 1282587637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : General rule: someone who says "good old" is speaking through nostalgia, rather than reality. <-- XD < 1282587665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, maybe, but I can't be nostalgic over something I discovered way after I discovered their replacements (games with graphics) < 1282587712 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why on earth? < 1282587848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover, maybe, but I can't be nostalgic over something I discovered way after I discovered their replacements (games with graphics) ;; yes you can < 1282587854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can be nostalgic over things you weren't even born for < 1282587855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xinerama sounds like some fancy program that uses Xine < 1282587879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, if you pronounce it in a certain way, it sounds like "Cine[ma-]rama." < 1282587985 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1282588007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1282588024 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dealing with some idiot who thinks that since an old channel isn't supposed to be actively used (a lot of people still idle there), he can keep asking for it, day after day < 1282588050 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, channel? < 1282588080 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#secondlife on EFNet < 1282588087 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moved to ##secondlife on Freenode < 1282588101 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he just changed the topic in the latter to ask the question < 1282588102 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again < 1282588106 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I changed it back < 1282588127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'll defend the topic :P < 1282588129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put it back one time < 1282588141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I'm totally altruistic. < 1282588219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: just pretend i'm a bot < 1282588265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: stop talking to him, he's clearly trolling < 1282588286 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, by persistently and continually asking the same thing every so often? < 1282588292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1282588299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and provoking you to field utterly pointless questions < 1282588302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough that you sigh in here < 1282588308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just say nothing and he'll get bored. < 1282588321 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, apparently he doesn't < 1282588338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He asks for the room regardless of whether or not anyone responds < 1282588358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'll change the topic back < 1282588362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eventually, he will get bored. < 1282588381 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in EFNet he asks < 1282588384 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every few hours < 1282588390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless of the response < 1282588397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1282588401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he can't do that all his life < 1282588405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at some point he will give up < 1282588411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will be soon, due to finite patience. < 1282588433 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he started weeks ago < 1282588436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe days, not sure < 1282588453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no op around to +b? < 1282588455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before August 13th < 1282588462 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In EFNet, just Gigs < 1282588466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will Gigs? < 1282588475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1282588483 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E hasn't been active in either channel, afaict < 1282588592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1282588594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just provoked him < 1282588763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did You Know: There's an implementation of RFC5514? < 1282589011 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282589030 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282589033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RFC5514? < 1282589064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5514 < 1282589263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: feeding. stop < 1282589416 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1282589462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ok, he's clearly a worthless troll, i've succumbed but i'm stopping now and so should you < 1282589594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do something interesting, already! < 1282589605 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went there to see epic battles, dammit! < 1282589619 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the interesting stuff was on the Freenode side < 1282589662 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's past tense < 1282589712 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1282589745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282590238 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282590243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm just going to install GNOME. < 1282590270 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who knows care to tell me what the difference betwixt CS and CIS is? < 1282590285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think CIS is like CS' retarded little brother. < 1282590288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1282590291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282590297 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282590314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah ... I'm thinkin' ... GNOME would be the least painful option at the moment. < 1282590400 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIS is basically what I'm in. Little theory < 1282590407 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels pain < 1282590415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIS = Software engineering -- the Retarded Name edition, then. < 1282590466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1282590471 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome is ok < 1282590500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, if you don't like theory, why do you hang out here? < 1282590509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282590510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, learn to parse < 1282590517 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIS has little theory < 1282590530 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you are in CIS. < 1282590557 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct < 1282590563 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence, the pain < 1282590619 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1282590627 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why'd you go into it, then? < 1282590703 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the college's CS department was shutting down < 1282590713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1282590731 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I didn't really know the difference back then < 1282590750 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I did, I would probably have leaned towards "practical" anyway :/ < 1282590771 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, CS shutting down, and having no real choice of college... < 1282591476 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282591741 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282591746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does gnome depend on gstreamer these days? < 1282591767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, you know MuPDF? < 1282591780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's the same guy who does Gargoyle. < 1282591783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No joke. < 1282591801 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1282591805 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1282591864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Typeset -- various typesetting software; hyphenation and TeX-style line breaking" < 1282591867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome! C code for it! < 1282591881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dis guy iz mah hero < 1282592112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Winter break be over < 1282592440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282592687 0 :arch!~arch@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282592691 0 :arch!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1282592693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sun12x22 is a nice console font. < 1282592709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``And it has `UNIX QUOTES'! Ooh, and a nice Q, too.'' < 1282592720 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1282592843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.stationv3.com/ < 1282592848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JFS! The most amazingly amazing filesystem that nobody uses ever! < 1282592850 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, still up, this is becoming a quite long sunday < 1282592880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a rather large-amount-of-pixels Sun font on the SparcStation, the few times I actually had a monitor plugged in it. I remember it being quite nice. < 1282592884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monday: The longest Sunday. < 1282592895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It somehow manages to pull off serifs and not look jaggy. < 1282592940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I will now attempt to read that ON THE FRAMEBUFFER FUCK YEAH. < 1282592961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`links -g' representin' < 1282592963 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1282592970 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO OUTPUT!? < 1282592984 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S OVER NO OUTPUT!!! < 1282593003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: die < 1282593013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: poper still going on? < 1282593019 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some activity < 1282593045 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And talk about the history of EFNet#secondlife < 1282593053 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And about how I was banned from there once < 1282593124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh; why? < 1282593180 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I talked about my apparently misnamed product too much maybe < 1282593202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misnamed? < 1282593238 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the details of their argument, but I guess arguably "antiposeball" is inaccurate as it doesn't destroy poseballs < 1282593280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``That makes absolutely no sense,'' said the Quite Elegant Benefactor. < 1282593298 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1282593305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, we need reverse semicolons. < 1282593310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``They would be classy.;; < 1282593328 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1282593350 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to try DCSS < 1282593392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``Distributed CSS'' < 1282593409 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1282593425 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``which echo hi < 1282593436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that that makes no sense < 1282593442 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1282593479 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, backquotes are expanded by sh, not exec. < 1282593518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``Although I do wonder if this font isn't intended for text more than terminal output...'' < 1282593535 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1282593558 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is a backquote addict! < 1282593566 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More than I'm a virtual world addict! < 1282593568 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1282593627 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my DCSS experience is off to a good start < 1282593631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even register sgeo! < 1282593665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1282593745 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282594386 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282595471 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-12-94.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282596039 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose someone has made Flatland: the RPG? < 1282596838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only RPG system I've tried out: http://everything2.com/title/LMERP < 1282596928 0 :alise!5b694e74@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282596933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just installed liboobs. < 1282596935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discuss. < 1282596940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm pretty sure that's unintentional.) < 1282596983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Review of stock GNOME: It's pretty okay. (Better than Ubuntu GNOME.) < 1282597021 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so far, Crawl seems to be intended to be playable without spoilers, but is supposedly harder than spoiled NetHack < 1282597031 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not surprising. < 1282597035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, old, I mentioned it a few weeks ago < 1282597037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It also gives you a headache. < 1282597038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu loves to make things shitty. < 1282597042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what, liboobs? < 1282597045 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes < 1282597047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Quite. < 1282597048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: didn't realise < 1282597076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I said I thought that the chance of that being unintentional were damn small iirc < 1282597094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, there actually seems to be no other reason to name it like that. < 1282597097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not sure you were here then, but I thought you log read < 1282597100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we have a very boob-appreciating GNOME developer. < 1282597105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but sometimes I skip logs < 1282597111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read for fun, not to keep updated < 1282597116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure I can start fam in the background, I can probably get away with starting HAL in the background... < 1282597121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GDM needs dbus or it won't start. < 1282597129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Need HAL to mount stuff from Nautilus; alas.) < 1282597136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why fam < 1282597140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why not use gamin? < 1282597146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME uses FAM. < 1282597160 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes but gamin is a drop-in ABI compatible replacement for fam < 1282597170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which doesn't need a daemon running as root < 1282597179 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the security problems it implies < 1282597181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it needs a daemon running as $you? < 1282597202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, normally it doesn't, it uses kernel apis, but when it needs it, it will automagically start it < 1282597208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am, uh, not terribly worried about FAM security. < 1282597215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But okay. < 1282597221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so I can just install gamin and not configure anything? < 1282597221 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, pretty sure all major distros, including ubuntu, switched to gamin < 1282597227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed < 1282597235 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, just remove the fam daemon from startup < 1282597240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninstall fam < 1282597242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and install gamin < 1282597246 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no more worries < 1282597257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in startup, but i won't bother uninstalling fam, probably < 1282597259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i will < 1282597260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i will < 1282597276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAEMONS=(syslog-ng !netfs @network @crond @hal dbus) < 1282597277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thar < 1282597279 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well it installs libfam.so so you can't have boths at once < 1282597283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fam and gamin) < 1282597286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, pacman told me < 1282597289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1282597294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully gnome will remove the hal dependency soon. < 1282597299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's basically being deprecated < 1282597307 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, my DAEMONS is: DAEMONS=(syslog-ng @sensors @gpm @smartd @alsa network @iptables @ntpd @hal @ddclient @sshd aiccu @crond @ip6tables @denyhosts @postfix @mdadm @cpufreq @radvd) < 1282597314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're a lunatic < 1282597318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why? < 1282597320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAEMONS=(syslog-ng !netfs @network @crond @hal dbus) < 1282597322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why :p < 1282597328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I have a lot more stuff to start < 1282597331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, than you do < 1282597335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1282597347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"speaking of HAL, time to install OSS" < 1282597348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you don't need an ipv6 tunnel obviously < 1282597350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really, gonna get clyde first) < 1282597356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nor do you, you just want one for the geek cred < 1282597364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1282597369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, actually I do, I use some ipv6 only irc servers < 1282597369 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a bit of fun with this < 1282597386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok, but that's because they're run by nerds who /really/ want the geek cred to the point of being stupid about it < 1282597412 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, welll yes... < 1282597419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well* < 1282597447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway I need all those damons < 1282597452 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well maybe not gpm < 1282597455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that yes < 1282597476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gpm is nice to have < 1282597485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need all those Matt Damons < 1282597491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need alsa >:) < 1282597501 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I want my mixer levels restored < 1282597511 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and I get low latency with alsa < 1282597512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ossv4! the only sound system that rhymes with "whore"! < 1282597515 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have no issues with using it < 1282597532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ESD on OSSv4, oh yeah. < 1282597533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1282597536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ESD on OSSv3, oh yeah. < 1282597542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1282597548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run Linux with the first prerelease of E17! < 1282597552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I browse with Mozilla! < 1282597557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use XMMS! < 1282597557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1282597564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the very model of an early-2000s Linux user! < 1282597569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WHY SIGH < 1282597574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1282597612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid Epiphany, listening to DPI settings. < 1282597620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what? < 1282597620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web isn't built for your idealistic notions. < 1282597625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1282597640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you have a high-dpi monitor then Epiphany will go "Ooh! That means I can render pt-size fonts correctly!" < 1282597645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, besides you won't have your time set over network < 1282597648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :result: websites designed on already high-dpi screens with browsers that don't do this, < 1282597648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need ntpd for that < 1282597655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get sized too small < 1282597665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why small instead of big < 1282597667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go figure < 1282597682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, but i synced with ntp at the start and i think my system clock is quite good at ticking :P < 1282597698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh it's not dpi < 1282597701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's default font settings in gnome it listens to < 1282597703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including font size < 1282597706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so default font size ends up not being 16px < 1282597707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I run software that needs +/- a few seconds accuracy < 1282597711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so relatively-sized websites bork < 1282597724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, my clock doesn't tick out that much without waiting a good long while I'll bet < 1282597743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, doesn't cups need hal iirc? < 1282597749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it dbus it needed < 1282597751 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them anyway < 1282597758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a printer < 1282597764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd have to be a network printer too as i have no printer port :P < 1282597780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably dbus, i doubt apple would depend on hal < 1282597783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway DAEMONS=(syslog-ng !netfs @network @crond @hal dbus) is wrong because the hal script will start dbus and you will probably get a race condition there < 1282597795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: one of them will fail to start dbus, no biggie < 1282597800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fine < 1282597802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbus @hal < 1282597803 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, remember how I had to tell you that a wand was speed monster < 1282597809 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl would do that for you < 1282597810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah better < 1282597825 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm not sure if arch init scripts do locking properly < 1282597829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :metacity is quite corrigible < 1282597839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, corrigible? < 1282597840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1282597844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like metacity < 1282597844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to say acceptable < 1282597850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that isn't actually what not-incorrigible means < 1282597857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incorrigible = broken beyond the point of acceptability < 1282597861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrigible = broken but fixable < 1282597918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how is metacity broken? < 1282597928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I find it nice and non-intrusive < 1282597928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fun fact: before I installed ttf-dejavu, while gnome-extras was installing -- at this point GNOME was using bitmapped fonts -- it installed evince, which caused gsfonts to install. This caused the whole desktop to switch to using the ghostscript Helvetica. < 1282597932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was ... comical. < 1282597934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it isn't < 1282597941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, corrigible didn't have the meaning I'd like it to < 1282597964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i appear to have gotten myself addicted to my mouse-bindings setup though < 1282597979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where middle click = close window, right click = minimise/iconify, and alt+right-drag resizes < 1282597987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as well as alt+left-drag moving) < 1282597998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those middle and right clicks are on the window title that is < 1282598019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@dinky conf.d]$ sudo ln -s ../conf.avail/70-no-bitmaps.conf . < 1282598020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1282598031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid fucking "helvetica". < 1282598145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA I THINK I DEFEATED FEEBLE GNOME < 1282598154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::root { font-size: 16px } -- my user stylesheet < 1282598187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ghostscript helvetica is quite nasty iirc? < 1282598195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is < 1282598198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why it was so amusing < 1282598218 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and if even I think a font is nasty, it must be horrible to you < 1282598226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to figure out why Epiphany's documentation LIES about putting %{width=CHARS} at the end of a bookmark URL will make its toolbar textbox thing wider < 1282598243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well ... it was better than bitmapped helvetica at the size gnome was using it at < 1282598253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, the size gnome was using bitmapped helvetica at < 1282598261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you just proved font relativity < 1282598271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just call me Alistein < 1282598275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1282598304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DO YOU LIE, GNOME?! < 1282598357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why not just use firefox? < 1282598377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox is slow and crashy. And, well, I'm trying to sign up to the GNOME cult here! Failing this, I'll just use Midori. < 1282598377 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282598481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange. AliseLang#72 isn't solidifying in my head. Perhaps it's already solid... < 1282598505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how many have you implemented of those? < 1282598521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, 0. AliseLang is the term for my current pet head-language. < 1282598529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's implemented it gets named and therefore ceases to be an AliseLang. < 1282598540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy secret: I don't actually keep track of them! < 1282598598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Besides, I'd like to see you implement a compiler for a language with a good type system (above Hindley-Milner), Erlang-style code reloading, processes that communicate in a functionally pure way, and a reactor at the core multiplexing all sorts of internal and external IO including automatic epoll() on sockets and the like. < 1282598598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think you did < 1282598623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah I meant how many aliselangs have been implemented so far < 1282598625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was all < 1282598636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1282598648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh and erlang does the automatic epoll() < 1282598667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, unfortunately it sucks at everything else that I like :P < 1282598681 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you could make a new language targeting BEAM < 1282598688 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(beam being the erlang vm) < 1282598702 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that new language's compiler could do the type checking and so on < 1282598719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but the architecture would be too different wrt. the processes due to it being more functionally-oriented. < 1282598733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the last "it" refers to? < 1282598754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AliseLang#N < 1282598813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X.org 8 success story, btw: < 1282598826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed X.org. I installed xf86-video-intel. I ran "startx". Everything worked. All I had to do is set my keymap. < 1282598841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what happens when you kick HAL out of the house for being a bum. < 1282598865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I installed X.org. I installed xf86-video-intel. I ran "startx". Everything worked. All I had to do is set my keymap. <-- yes and? < 1282598877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are you surprised in any way? < 1282598881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in previous versions of X.org nothing worked because it used HAL and HAL sucked shit. < 1282598889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you had to create an xorg.conf. < 1282598899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah, I am surprised that 8 now doesn't suck in that manner. < 1282598899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, even with HAL you just had to set keymap, oh and tell it stop touching joysticks < 1282598903 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same stuff now < 1282598907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, with HAL it would often not allow me to press keys. < 1282598909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or move the mouse. < 1282598913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even to do Ctrl+Alt+F1. < 1282598914 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, never had that < 1282598917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. :P < 1282598927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I heard synaptics is a PITA with xorg 8 however < 1282598938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enables the trackpad < 1282598940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM < 1282598944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION disables it < 1282598945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1282598952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, synaptics driver? < 1282598954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit jaggedy acceleration but that's just a user settings problem < 1282598956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: evdev :P < 1282598961 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that explains it < 1282598967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I meant the real synaptics driver < 1282598969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1282598976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well evdev works fine, seemingly < 1282598978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why use it? < 1282598981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it=synaptics < 1282598992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it doesn't do all the stuff like palm detection < 1282598993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1282599000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to play a game: Let's See How "Empathy" Still Sucks! < 1282599020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempted to open "Accounts". Nothing happens! Eternal sadness! < 1282599025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Connection: Impossible! < 1282599033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so intuitive! < 1282599035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is "empathy"? < 1282599046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The New New Super Hyper IM Client in GNOME. < 1282599051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, uh, not very mature. < 1282599055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what is wrong with pidgin? < 1282599058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you need IM < 1282599074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything. More or less. People who use Pidgin grow to be suicidal and then eventually just develop a mortal hatred yet deep dependence on it. < 1282599078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't pidgin gtk anyway < 1282599079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empathy, if it /worked/, would be better. < 1282599080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't. < 1282599092 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1282599093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@dinky ~]$ empathy-accounts [ehird@dinky ~]$ < 1282599094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, hooray. < 1282599105 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, someone fail at newlines there < 1282599109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue who < 1282599116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode webchat < 1282599122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although sometimes terminals do that to me < 1282599129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why aren't you using a real irc client? < 1282599133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like irssi or xchat < 1282599138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't got one installed yet < 1282599142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i connected while still getting gnome up < 1282599142 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ksirc or whatever < 1282599147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just reinstalled, since I had a bunch of stuff installed.) < 1282599157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or ... I, Arsey! < 1282599163 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1282599170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I just reinstalled, since I had a bunch of stuff installed.) <-- wait, is this supposed to make any sense? < 1282599179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have to name my awesomely typo-knowledgical client /something/. < 1282599186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not really. I just had a ton of crap and decided to start over with GNOME as the base. < 1282599191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than remove the stuff I no longer needed. < 1282599196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282599205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1282599250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bug report: empathy-accounts does nothing. Literally nothing." < 1282599273 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also that "telepathy" thing; I can never keep it and empathy straight. < 1282599273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System -> Preferences -> Messaging and VOIP Accounts < 1282599276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this will pop it up. < 1282599288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Telepathy is the underlying super-heterosexual-magic library/thing underlying Empathy. < 1282599294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not the most workituding of software. < 1282599298 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently so. < 1282599311 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs the IM stuff in N900, unless I misremember. :p < 1282599360 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can mangle libpurple's protocols into the mix somehow, though. < 1282599368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised I can use GNOME PackageKit with clyde :sweet: < 1282599378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, maybe I need to install some Protocols Fuck Yeah, < 1282599380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yeah. < 1282599404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extra/telepathy-butterfly 0.5.12-1 (telepathy) A MSN connection manager for Telepathy < 1282599413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell it's modern software because they use abstract names to refer to things like MSN. < 1282599416 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, did you strace it < 1282599419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their logo is a butterfly, so dude, let's call it butterfly. < 1282599419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might do something < 1282599425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extra/telepathy-gabble 0.8.14-1 (telepathy) A Jabber/XMPP connection manager for Telepathy < 1282599429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No logo? Just make some shit up! < 1282599438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nope, I'm just gonna install telepathy-BEAUTIFUL-BEAUTIFUL-BUTTERFLY < 1282599456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, err, that reference seems familiar, can't place it < 1282599460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@dinky ~]$ clyde -S telepathy-beautiful-beautiful-butterfly ;; I actually typed this by mistake < 1282599461 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh, discworld? < 1282599468 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, clyde? < 1282599491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a Discworld reference, I don't know if it's a reference; if it is, it wasn't intentional, or at least subconscious. < 1282599501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: clyde is the only sane pacman-with-AUR that exists. < 1282599507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses libalpm instead of Let's Just Call Pacman. < 1282599515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what all the kids are using. < 1282599564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yaourt is using libalpm too iirc for some parts of it? < 1282599566 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg-query -l '*butter*' => account-plugin-butterfly 0.8, telepathy-butterfly 0.5.4-1maemo0. < 1282599593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, possibly. But yaourt is the slowest thing in existence, and clyde does All That But Better. < 1282599603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yay butter. < 1282599618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, does it show recent comments? < 1282599654 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what msn-pecan's name is referring to. < 1282599667 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why msn-pecan? The short answer is: there are many problems with the Pidgin development team. It's basically impossible to implement anything there." < 1282599674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Probably. < 1282599684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, did it do that for you? < 1282599687 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only we could extract clean, renewable energy from all the complaining done by software developers. < 1282599705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you gave it some -Q switch, probably. < 1282599707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not when doing -S. < 1282599713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, uh, you might be able to script it. < 1282599724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a bonus, it's 1,000,000x faster and like, actually maintained. < 1282599735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, I resemble that remark. < 1282599735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, besides yaourt is fast for me (have about 5 packages there) < 1282599744 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I use pacman unless specifically doing AUR stuff < 1282599841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(have about 5 packages there) ; eh? < 1282599902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, you could power a small country (or at least a biggish city) all by yourself. < 1282599923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should run for the presidency. < 1282599927 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282599952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Elect alise: your policy is so shit, CO2 will actually start getting sucked back up into machines." < 1282599957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*policies are < 1282599998 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1282600007 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282600007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ubuntu may ship with msn-pecan; it says WLM there instead of MSN, iirc. < 1282600031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How msn-pecan fixed a 6 year old bug, how Pidgin didn’t, and stole the fix" ;; Open source software: It's THEFT. < 1282600067 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loose codes sink ships. < 1282600093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comments part was a bit amusing. < 1282600119 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He changed his mind when I explained that the core parts of libpurple’s (Pidgin) msn were either developed or refined by me anyway, and therefore, Pidgin devs probably didn’t have the expertise required to identify this problem." < 1282600124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am God, and Pidgin developers are mere Peasants. < 1282600132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They Cannot Understand My Perfect Code. < 1282600133 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(18:31:37) felipec left the room < 1282600133 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(18:32:21) khc: actually, I knew what was required to fix that timeout bug before that, but that discussion prompted me to actually do it" < 1282600158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thief *and* a liar! < 1282600380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it seems not-so-certain that the pacman packagekit thing will actually call out instead of using libalpm, which would not allow clyde to work its AUR magic. < 1282600539 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282600583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1282600589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1282600617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :packagekit? < 1282600619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that < 1282600763 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1282600773 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1282600773 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282600841 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gigs is awake < 1282600846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ? < 1282601000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bored. < 1282601021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should try proving some trivial computational equivalences with some esolangs in Coq. < 1282601283 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could anyone tell me the name of the game wherein you have to propose and vote on rules to win? < 1282601293 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nomics, in general? < 1282601303 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, thanks Phantom_Hoover < 1282601305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora is the one everyone talks about. < 1282601355 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, now it's coming back to me < 1282602037 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1282602105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who runs the wiki again? < 1282602118 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could *really* do with the TeX rendering thing. < 1282602119 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "runs" :D < 1282602131 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who can compile stuff on the server? < 1282602133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graue, nominally < 1282602155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone have ssh access? < 1282602174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he is never around. he can be emailed in emergencies. < 1282602207 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think anyone else has more than wiki admin access < 1282602211 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't an emergency, though. < 1282602224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just something that would be really really useful. < 1282602231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those are ais523 and keymaker) < 1282602245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's a CS wiki with no way of rendering mathematical notation. < 1282602262 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a bit awkward < 1282602289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why can't we get MediaWiki's built-in TeX renderer installed? < 1282602298 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask graue ;D < 1282602337 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, graue? < 1282602356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's his email. < 1282602358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah oerjan answered that < 1282602375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a graue. < 1282602385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, old < 1282602387 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the graue's email address? < 1282602402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you see MC Frontalot rapping about infocom btw? < 1282602406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure if he's supposed to make that public < 1282602418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg? < 1282602419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ask oerjan to contact graue about this then < 1282602431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, learn to delegate < 1282602432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an email address on the front page. < 1282602441 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B21692B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282602444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/ has a "please contact graue" mailto link. < 1282602444 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delegating to me is a hopeless proposition < 1282602611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarhj < 1282602616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaargh* < 1282602619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=159&artikel=3942754 < 1282602632 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in that room a few months ago < 1282602679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fizzie ^ < 1282602701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... < 1282602724 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1282602731 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes but I mean, lucky it didn't happen when I was in there < 1282602797 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I've emailed graue. < 1282602813 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope he responds... < 1282602831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, for those of us who don't speak Swedish? < 1282602843 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "Ceiling fell down in auditorium" < 1282602857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I attended lectures in that room during last spring < 1282602859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so argh < 1282602868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While audits were being performed? < 1282602874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1282602887 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* now i know where Vorpal is < 1282602891 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hardly an obscure pun. < 1282602893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you knew this before < 1282602894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until i forget again, that is < 1282602906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Örebro University. < 1282602909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh, there were no lectures, that starts next week < 1282602917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes that means I'm somewhere near there < 1282602959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: all i recall from before is that you denied being at uppsala < 1282602974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well yeah Uppsala != Örebro < 1282602983 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and that was like today or yesterday < 1282602987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly you should invest a bit more on maintenance and repairs there... < 1282602989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, thus logical consistency is saved < 1282602989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I denied that < 1282603004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but but, that would cost money! < 1282603006 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, was supposedly renovated in 1995 < 1282603013 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1282603018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, company who did it is now out of business < 1282603036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and _why_ did they go out of business, we may ask < 1282603051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :na.se (local paper) writes that they were going to inspect all other ceilings built with the same technique. < 1282603058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://na.se/nyheter/2.2503/1.928537-innertak-rasade-pa-universitetet < 1282603065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the CC of things like Coq? < 1282603079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasenyheter < 1282603087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ? < 1282603102 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's not TC, and all programs halt, which isn't necessary for FSA and PDA. < 1282603147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah it's näse in swedish < 1282603151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed pun :D < 1282603153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1282603155 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282603169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering the huge amounts of snow this winter I can only be glad it didn't fall down then < 1282603177 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since then I had lectures there < 1282603182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it can definitely compute things like ackermann, i believe < 1282603194 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed. < 1282603203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the brackets problem. < 1282603209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to prove things well ordered for such iirc < 1282603219 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1282603232 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um the brackets problem? matching brackets? < 1282603236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1282603242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's _very_ low compared to ackermann. < 1282603247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1282603251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not more than LOGSPACE < 1282603272 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what CC is it? < 1282603297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :above primitive recursive, for ackermann < 1282603310 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it's far beyond say EXPTIME < 1282603325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or EXPSPACE for that matter < 1282603343 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282603351 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw I felt the last iwc was a bit stony < 1282603365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not sure that pun works in English) < 1282603410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolangs seem to be appallingly poor wrt different CCs. < 1282603410 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "stoned" < 1282603423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to be limited entirely to PDAs, FSAs and TMs. < 1282603433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that would be "on drugs" afaik? < 1282603438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1282603440 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, which is completely different < 1282603476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I meant more like "a bit awkward", though not exactly that either. < 1282603483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well it's a bit awkward to get most others without having a cutoff function of some sort? < 1282603498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is it? < 1282603533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what CC is deadfish < 1282603535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are various examples i guess. < 1282603539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1282603547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and what CC is HQ9+ ? < 1282603556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivial? < 1282603566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadfish is more than FSA, perhaps more than PDA < 1282603568 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is that a rigorous CC? < 1282603573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, whaat? < 1282603578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, how can it be that? < 1282603586 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, 1 unlimited register. < 1282603595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have any flow control? < 1282603599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "more than" as in contains things outside it, not as in contains all of it < 1282603640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1282603643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I say "trivial" because it has no flow control whatsoever. < 1282603648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so they are overlapping sets < 1282603651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't _expect_ you can do squaring, increment and decrement with a PDA, although maybe there is a clever way < 1282603669 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't we have strict subsets < 1282603672 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so much nicer < 1282603696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is multiplication possible on a PDA? < 1282603715 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the Q command of HQ9+ might be awkward to get inside PDA too < 1282603717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about bounded data storage but infinite code storage? < 1282603724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be sub-tc? < 1282603755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, would it? < 1282603768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just print the source from whatever little cache you have it in. < 1282603777 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, /me → sleep < 1282603778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um what does that even mean, if code is fixed at the outset it gives you nothing infinite for a given program, otherwise you might have full lambda calculus... < 1282603788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1282603817 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corpses are NOT food < 1282603828 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to drill that into himself < 1282603837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but PDA's have no cache to put the source in. you can print it once forward and once backward, is about all. < 1282603880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and if you interleave it with Q commands it gets even more awkward < 1282603900 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, a FSM could do multiplication, no? < 1282603913 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSM? < 1282603922 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finite State Machine < 1282603930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSA == FSM afaik < 1282603937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Flying Spaghetti Monster. < 1282603942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1282603951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this case not so < 1282603963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite positive the FSM could do multiplication. < 1282603995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't a BSM in the same CC as a FSA? < 1282604010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since computers are BSM and they can do multiplication... < 1282604067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot do multiplication an unlimited number of times though < 1282604068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1282604089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, true, you will run out of memory, or states, at some point < 1282604152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in deadfish, iisssssss (n s'es) gives you 2^(2^n), or 2^n bits. which means deadfish is inside EXPSPACE, i believe < 1282604169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a function of program size < 1282604302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nice < 1282604431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an o command after that would print Theta(2^n) digits, so it needs at _least_ EXPTIME. < 1282604547 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282605295 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282605380 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282605974 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1282606077 0 :alise!~ehird@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282606081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha archaeology < 1282606101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* The US's treatment of post-secondary education. < 1282606112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US's treatment of ARCHAEOLOGY. < 1282606130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near as I can tell, the *simplest* way to go to college in the US without being in debt forever is to get married. < 1282606147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get married ... to a horse. < 1282606174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get a verily < 1282606185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By being married, you can apply for financial aid based on your *own* assets and income. Rather than yours *and* your parents. < 1282606193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1282606216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you suddenly cease to be a "dependent" according to the financial aid department) < 1282606270 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.78.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282606303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the popular hit TV show, "that's what I call archaeology"? < 1282606336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately, one could kill your parents and hide the evidence. < 1282606337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get an AFFIRMATIVE?! < 1282606341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Always the best advice < 1282606341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/one/you/ < 1282606343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALWAYS < 1282606364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Violence is never discouragable. < 1282606390 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1282606456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DejaVu Sans sucks so much when not hinted. < 1282606465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of crazy person designs a font that /only works when hinted/ and isn't Microsoft? < 1282606754 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, watch me somehow survive Crawl! < 1282606761 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On, um, the server < 1282606765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which < 1282606774 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAO < 1282606775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: anyway, it still gives me a headache < 1282606777 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1282606779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping to the middle square like that < 1282606786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although iirc you can disable that < 1282606827 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, Mountain Dew... < 1282606852 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##crawl says that the Crawl wiki is horrible < 1282606858 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either out of date or otherwise wrong < 1282606886 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1282606899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you can fix that middle square thing right?? < 1282606908 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I have no idea < 1282606920 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But levels are rather huge anyway < 1282606926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeck < 1282606930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: doesn't it give you a headache? < 1282606935 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! < 1282606976 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282607006 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1282607099 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@32.166.229.29 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282607122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archaeology: ILLEGAL IN SEVENTEEN STATES < 1282607130 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, just because I'm not playing right now? < 1282607142 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1282607160 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, Archaeology is illegal because of me < 1282607215 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1282607235 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282607262 0 :yorick!yorick@2001:470:8:257::2 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282607290 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest76379 < 1282607305 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1282607408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Good call. PayPal is a festering shit-filled ass boil on the bloated rotting carcass of a dead syphilitic whore floating in a fetid pool of vomit, piss, and misery." < 1282607416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: My italic DejaVu Sans is serifed. Explain. < 1282607636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Only God can explain.) < 1282607712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The fuck? < 1282607713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :==> Edit fontconfig.install (highly recommended for security reasons)? [Y/n] y < 1282607713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gedit: error while loading shared libraries: libcairo.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory < 1282607715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1282607718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meant to say n anyway) < 1282607726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think it's because I nuked fontconfig. < 1282607732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, wait, it's happening in Epiphany too. < 1282607738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a mystery < 1282607749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Epiphany seems to be using the old versions of stuff.) < 1282607916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it was initially intended to be a DeusVult Sans with ser_aphs_, but god made some horrible misspellings < 1282607947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: xD < 1282607978 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad's AV claimed that 7zip may be suspicious