00:00:09 coppro: quick say something 00:01:07 -!- ineiros_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:01:44 coppro: ok, how about this: ping me in three seconds? 00:01:46 Sgeo_: or you 00:01:55 alise, ping 00:02:03 ok, has to be stornger 00:02:04 *stronger 00:02:12 (I'm making X-Chat Suck Less.) 00:02:14 -!- distant_figure has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:02:40 Sgeo_: again! again! 00:02:55 alise, pong is a game 00:02:57 -!- ineiros_ has joined. 00:03:02 -!- distant_figure has joined. 00:03:20 Uh, alise? 00:03:38 I am dead 00:03:46 Figured 00:04:38 Sgeo_: let's play aGAIN! that would be FUN! 00:05:10 | | 00:05:14 | | 00:05:17 Sgeo_: YOU HAVE TO PING ME THE ROPE 00:05:32 | (alise)| 00:05:36 | | 00:05:48 balls 00:05:58 haha that was funny. i am hilarious 00:06:44 I am suddenly aware that I failed to include paddles 00:06:56 Or, whatever those paddle things are called, if they had names 00:07:14 rackets? 00:07:59 -!- nooga_ has joined. 00:08:36 i can't seem to find the colour of the division line... 00:09:43 red 00:09:52 BRB 00:10:09 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:10:14 not that one 00:10:15 Yes, I know what you meant, I think 00:10:16 Oh 00:10:17 grr, i dunno if it's configurable 00:10:20 the vertical one 00:10:25 i'm making xchat look less horrific 00:13:16 fungot: babble 00:13:17 alise: i should really do c, do d" as " if(foo) a; b; else c; d;", but it's hard to let go of my ankle, willya 00:13:28 fungot: babble again 00:13:28 alise: do not mention that io does not fnord fnord 00:13:30 fungot: babble again 00:13:31 alise: xtofius drscheme is the ide thingy for) is one instruction: 0 days 4 hours 23 mins 39 secs signon: thu sep 14 fnord colin kernel: bttv0: using: fnord 00:13:33 hmm 00:13:40 fungot: babble again 00:13:40 alise: yes, but i 00:13:43 fungot: babble again 00:13:46 Sgeo_: ^ 00:14:33 "Want to pack JS and CSS really well? Convert it to a PNG and unpack it via Canvas" 00:14:34 there are no words 00:14:52 -!- alise has quit (Quit: Connection reset by peer review). 00:14:59 -!- alise has joined. 00:15:01 fungot: babble 00:15:10 Sgeo_: make fungot babble plz 00:17:26 coppro: or you 00:18:16 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 00:18:22 -!- wareya has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:18:26 or anyone 00:19:14 -!- wareya has joined. 00:19:23 please? :P 00:19:55 fungot, babble 00:19:55 Sgeo_: oh well, ( 1)...) 00:19:59 fungot: abc 00:20:00 alise: ( catch throw, by the way, fnord 00:20:00 fungot: abc 00:20:01 alise: i thought about 2, but it is not important anymore.) 00:20:02 fungot: abc 00:20:02 alise: ( and yes, it did nothing when i hit submit 00:20:03 fungot: abc 00:20:03 alise: if i have a romanian friend who just graduated and his homepage was also at ccs.neu.edu. thanks 00:20:04 fungot: abc 00:20:06 hmm 00:20:07 * Sgeo_ blinks 00:20:08 why the indent 00:20:18 What style is it on? 00:20:18 -!- zeotrope_ has joined. 00:20:20 LISP? 00:20:22 ^style 00:20:22 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube 00:20:24 just irc 00:20:33 Lisp should be a style 00:20:37 no 00:20:50 -!- zeotrope has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:20:52 (define name "lisp") 00:21:06 that's not lisp 00:21:06 I forgot the syntax for string literals in Scheme 00:21:12 uhhh, "foo" 00:21:25 ...So, what's wrong? 00:21:45 I thought Scheme is a Lisp 00:21:54 Well, not really. 00:22:08 It's quite a way away from the other languages of the Lisp tradition. 00:22:26 god, I may just have to write my own IRC client, god help me. 00:22:34 alise, I like defaults 00:22:55 what? 00:23:04 I don't like customizing stuff 00:23:12 Although I did switch the font to Dejavu Sans Mono 00:23:13 ... and ...? 00:23:22 why are you telling me this? 00:23:37 Thought it would give you a headache. It didn't. 00:23:46 why would it ... 00:24:29 Because you... I don't know 00:25:56 -!- chickenzilla has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:26:18 urgh, i wish there was a decent text-rendering library 00:26:26 like Pango but with less suckery? 00:26:31 pango sucks at jusified text i think 00:26:33 -!- chickenzilla has joined. 00:26:38 pikhq: is that true? 00:26:52 Dear Chrome: Stop ignoring random input! 00:27:20 Sometimes it will ignore context menu clicks 00:27:42 Sometimes it will fail to recognize that I typed something into the address bar 00:27:47 hooray midori 00:28:36 alise: Justified text? Yeah, everything but TeX sucks at justified text. 00:28:51 pikhq: but is Pango ok at it, or? 00:29:00 also, yeah, Bitstream Charter is amazing; i can confirm 00:31:29 TABLE FAILING 00:31:30 AAAAAA 00:31:44 HE;LP 00:32:38 Falcon has tabular computing! 00:32:45 * Sgeo_ sends alise a falcon 00:35:23 Hmm. The Gameboy has what amounts to an 8080 in it... 00:35:31 One could port CPM to it. 00:35:32 :P 00:35:32 pikhq: i have what amounts to a broken table 00:35:33 what's new 00:36:09 great now it's broken the wrong way 00:38:53 Fuck you, Gmail 01:13:32 @exp $f 0 := '(x => x) 01:13:32 @exp $f n := '(x => f $(exp f (n-1))) 01:13:37 WHAT'S THAT MACROS OH MY 01:14:55 @exp : ast(a -> a) -> nat -> ast(a -> a) 01:14:55 @exp $f 0 := '(x => x) 01:14:56 @exp $f n := '(x => f $(exp f (n-1))) 01:16:24 e.g. 01:16:40 exp succ 3 == (x => succ (succ (succ x)))) 01:17:03 * Sgeo_ CAPSLOCKS BY ACCIDENT 01:24:01 OH ACCIDENTAL CAPSLOCK ENVELOPED 01:29:09 Ugh! I need asyncore. 01:29:10 Sgeo_: make it god 01:29:13 *good 01:29:23 Hrm? 01:29:33 Just because I used asyncore for something once... 01:30:02 WTF 01:30:14 a) This computer professor sent us word documents 01:30:26 b) for a class I was enrolled in several years ago 01:31:14 I think it's a broken form email 01:31:45 The attached document is about the correct class 01:32:46 Just got another email correcting it 01:32:55 alise, anyways, do you want to see my code? 01:33:44 * Sgeo_ curses 01:35:23 sure 01:35:50 Let's see if I can find it 01:36:12 Urgh, it's on my old computer 01:36:14 Hold on 01:39:08 -!- SgeoN1 has joined. 01:42:30 Ancient Firefox just crashed 01:44:39 Sgeo_: http://pastie.org/1108844.txt?key=klmt98oegcgnkpdzdufxdq make this less insanely indented 01:45:06 wait 01:45:07 indentation fail 01:45:08 heh 01:46:07 My code is not for ircadmin, but for a different chat protocol 01:46:20 Wtf at autocomplete 01:46:35 let me guess 01:46:37 ACTIVE WORLDS CHAT 01:46:39 or haver 01:46:47 The later 01:46:56 Latter 01:47:00 haver is kinda shit 01:47:04 it doesn't fix any of irc's actual problems 01:47:56 Also, an AW chat bot that didn't use the sdk would probably break some tos 01:49:09 Back 01:49:17 SgeoN1 is obviously an imposter 01:49:31 wow asyncore.loop is retarded 01:49:43 why is the map a dictionary instead of a list 01:49:46 who knows? WHO THE FUCK KNOWS? HAHAHAHA 01:50:09 Dear Gmail 01:50:16 Let me download the fucking att.. there we go 01:51:25 raw_chat.py: http://pastie.org/private/4gmcayohanftkdt1tymzq 01:51:53 haverchat.py: http://pastie.org/private/26wqwowsye05pum4ftztg 01:52:13 -!- nooga_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:52:49 pyhaver.py, which doesn't use haverchat.py (hence nor raw_chat.py), but is a bit more tested: http://pastie.org/private/yuyd220kww6n5zlmvsguhw 01:52:54 asyncore != asynchat 01:53:17 asynchat requires direct use of asyncore 01:53:47 yes, it does. 01:53:48 but only one function# 01:53:51 s/#// 01:54:18 * Sgeo_ reads his code and decides alise has a point 01:56:23 May I ask why you need asyncore? 01:56:31 I mean, for non-asynchat reasons? 01:56:43 because asynchat sucks 01:56:49 consider e.g. multiple terminators 01:57:15 Um 01:57:29 * Sgeo_ hmms 01:58:15 Good point 02:02:08 I wonder how many years it take until ipv4 is optional in the linux kernel? Presumably it will die out some day, and turn into a "unless you know you want this, you don't" thing 02:02:36 no it won't 02:02:41 ipv6 is a non-starter 02:02:50 what will happen is mass NATing 02:02:52 in fact it is happening already 02:02:59 whole ISPs on one NAT will happen soon enough 02:03:48 alise, that would be a disaster for many people 02:03:55 yes, like you. 02:04:00 alise, indeed 02:04:04 ISPs have been fucking everything up for years 02:04:11 aren't you planning for that by now? 02:04:11 alise, I need to be able to ssh home 02:04:20 alise, well I do have an ipv6 tunnel at home 02:04:41 alise, you're a pessimist? 02:04:55 alise, anyway we will run out of nat soon too... when data centers fail to allocate new ips 02:05:01 and then ipv6 will be forced 02:05:33 so yeah nating won't solve the issue 02:05:36 Well, all new application protocols will just have to mention the host name 02:05:38 Just like htt 02:05:41 http 1.1 does 02:06:08 Sgeo_, I do think, and hope, ipv6 will be forced into use 02:06:17 at most nating will delay it 2-3 years 02:06:32 alise, you're a pessimist? 02:06:45 no, i'm extrapolating based on existing trends and the unlikelihood of ipv6 adoption 02:06:58 plus a knowledge of how little ISPs care about customers 02:07:07 Vorpal: not if you start NATing entire countries 02:07:09 Qatar does this 02:07:13 alise, all major *OS*es support ipv6 out of box now though 02:07:16 yepp 02:07:18 alise, ... what? 02:07:21 that ISP infrastructure is not getting replaced 02:07:26 Surely ISPs have corporate customers 02:07:31 those old programs aren't getting updated 02:07:36 Sgeo_: indeed; they don't care either 02:07:50 Vorpal: btw, the opinions I am expressing are exactly identical to the ones ais523 expressed only days ago on this matter. 02:08:07 I'm going to go cry somewhere 02:08:39 hm 02:08:42 Sgeo_, yeah :( 02:13:58 i'm just gonna use http://docs.python.org/library/select.html 02:13:59 instead of asyncore 02:15:09 Hey, considering that you're working with sockets instead of pipes, your client can be Win32-compatible 02:15:21 * Sgeo_ is still bitter 02:15:52 Sgeo_: um. asyncore uses select() 02:16:04 Note File objects on Windows are not acceptable, but sockets are. On Windows, the underlying select() function is provided by the WinSock library, and does not handle file descriptors that don’t originate from WinSock. 02:16:05 alise, on sockets, I assume 02:16:11 who said i would use pipes 02:16:17 anyway, i will be using pipes at some point 02:16:20 for external commands 02:16:23 alise, PSOX 02:16:24 and i have 0 interest in windows compatibility 02:16:41 PSOX had to change its spec to avoid select to maintain theoretical Windows compatibility 02:17:05 and i have 0 interest in windows compatibility <--- wait, didn't you say cfunge was stupid because it didn't support windows at one point 02:17:08 Sgeo_: how amazing. 02:17:15 Vorpal: as part of a larger complaint, probably. 02:17:27 Or alise is inconsistent 02:17:33 or, i just don't remember doing that 02:17:41 and assume past-me had eir reasons /or/ was trying to piss off Vorpal 02:17:43 the latter is very likely 02:17:51 alise, yeah I think you complained about lots of other things that time too 02:18:16 alise, still it seems a bit strange you have no interest in windows support now 02:18:22 see last message 02:18:47 alise, aka trolling 02:18:59 yep. 02:19:03 it worked though didn't it 02:19:08 1! 2! 3! 4! This is how we Vorpal-alise war! 02:19:10 alise, you should be ashamed of yourself 02:19:16 Vorpal: why? 02:19:29 alise, and it didn't, if it had worked it would have been me implementing windows support 02:19:31 and I didn't 02:19:39 alise, it was you who ported it to cygwin, remember? 02:19:49 and that is hardly windows 02:19:59 Vorpal: it worked because you still remember 02:20:07 true 02:20:22 alise, but then I have a good memory for some things 02:39:35 challenge: use all meanings of affect and effect in a single sentence that doesn't sound _too_ contrived 02:52:41 "All students who have laptops on campus and would like to use the Farmingdale wireless have to have 02:52:41 installed the Symantec 02:52:41 Endpoint Protection AntiVirus." 02:52:44 I hate my school 02:57:21 Sgeo_, tell them you have OS X? 02:57:25 or such 02:57:37 probably works better than saying linux 02:57:46 Just asked my professor 02:57:50 Sgeo_, and? 02:57:53 (Not that e likely knows or cares) 02:57:57 Vorpal, via email 02:58:28 hm 02:58:57 http://pastie.org/private/12ac73d3jdksp2djd9mapg 02:59:00 The email I sent 02:59:14 Sgeo_, hm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symantec_Endpoint_Protection says it exists for linux 02:59:26 Sgeo_: Might I suggest going to a school with a less incompetent IT department? 02:59:41 seems somewhat intrusive though 03:00:09 Laptop hybernating soon 03:00:19 pikhq, after I graduate from here 03:00:20 hybernating? 03:00:35 Vorpal, yes. Storing the contents of memory on disk 03:00:39 So that I might sleep 03:00:42 Sgeo_, you fail at spelling 03:00:51 hm 03:00:52 ? 03:00:56 Sgeo_, the word has no y afaik 03:01:03 Sgeo_: Inform them that installing any non-free software would be an unacceptable security risk, and ask for source code. 03:01:09 Sgeo_, "hibernating" is what you mean 03:01:50 Happening now 03:02:08 ? 03:02:10 night 03:03:16 Also, Symantec sucks ass. 03:03:44 I'd rather boot into Linux than use Symantec 03:04:07 I'd rather apply nail to eye than use Symantec. 03:04:12 Less painful. 03:04:32 Then again, I think my current AV may be broken 03:04:39 -!- augur has joined. 03:06:28 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 03:20:02 * SgeoN1 vaguely wonders where his dad is 03:32:18 In case anyone was worried or otherwise cares: don't be 03:32:22 He's ok 03:42:23 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:42:33 -!- augur has joined. 03:44:03 Sgeo_: Inform them that installing any non-free software would be an unacceptable security risk, and ask for source code. 03:44:06 "act intelligent to retards" 03:44:08 never good advice 03:45:01 Vorpal: if you were writing an irc /client/ would you use select() or epoll() :-D 03:46:05 -!- aschueler has quit (Quit: leaving). 03:46:39 alise: Okay, okay, fine. Walk through their office with a bulk eraser. 03:49:14 pikhq: Why is epoll() such a horrific API? 03:50:12 alise: Because fuck you. 03:50:20 i'll just use asyncore for now. 04:00:00 -!- botte has joined. 04:00:03 hi botte! 04:00:12 ?x 04:00:20 oh right i don't have a handler for that yet 04:00:21 lol 04:00:30 pikhq: behold my fearsome, entirely useless bot 04:00:38 it supports multiple servers! 04:01:23 alise: Vejn 04:01:34 pikhq: I agree... vejn. Now what does vejn mean? 04:01:40 Win. 04:01:53 -!- botte has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:01:56 -!- botte has joined. 04:01:56 butts. 04:02:53 botte: I concur. 04:02:58 -!- botte has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:03:37 pikhq: Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 244 04:03:45 This is the most hideously complex IRC-echoer EVER. 04:03:58 It even loads plugins! Although it does fuck all with those plugins. 04:04:09 alise: That's not bad for getting a TCP/IP connection. :P 04:04:18 pikhq: Ha, you C programmer. :P 04:04:18 (I hates BSD sockets) 04:04:29 No BSD sockets here, all crappy crappy asyncore crap! 04:04:33 alise: What langauge? 04:04:40 Python. 04:04:45 It's shit, hooray! 04:05:10 Try Haskell. 04:05:25 Or, if you can stand the syntax and the typing and the pain, Erlang. :P 04:05:35 Haskell has several flaws that unfortunately make it unsuitable for botte. However, I /would/ rewrite it in [unnamed language #n]. 04:05:43 Smalltalk! 04:05:49 Plof! 04:06:05 What flaws does Haskell have for these purposes? 04:06:24 This language features SMP concurrent threads communciating in functionally safe ways, asynchronous everything but with continuations so it's not painful, a sane multiplexer that can do asynchronous socket IO etc. without each component knowing about each other at the core, and a good type system. 04:06:26 Vala if you want a compiled language? 04:06:39 Which actually /would/ make botte a very, very happy project. 04:06:48 Oh, and code reloading ala Erlang, too. 04:06:52 Unfortunately, this language does not exist. 04:06:59 Well, bye bye Haskell 04:07:13 Haskell just plain isn't suitable. :P 04:07:23 I never quite learner how code reloading works in Erlang 04:07:23 alise: Okay, you could *do* that in Haskell, but you'd have to write the infrastructure... 04:07:32 At which point you may as well make AliseLang. 04:07:35 pikhq: Not the good type system! 04:07:43 And, yeah, it is /theoretically/ possible in Haskell, but bleh. 04:07:47 alise: Okay, yeah, that's hard to extend. 04:07:49 I wouldn't want to be the one tasked to do it. 04:08:18 Therefore, I settle with the FFI That Thinks It's a Language; Python. 04:08:33 Just write an easy abstraction thing for asyncore 04:08:40 no, asyncore is shit underneath 04:09:03 I'd sleep but I'm hungey 04:09:08 pikhq: I need code structuring opinions! Should IRCClient handle joining channels on connect and the like, or the Bot that contains it? 04:09:23 I /think/ the client, since it's client-specific, but in some sense you could see the Bot as the overbearing, slightly creepy father of the clients. Aww. 04:09:31 84fb75c9 04:09:34 The clients will have things like .say(target, message), so... 04:09:39 But still, I dunno how thick I want them to be. 04:09:43 I do think they should handle ghosting nicks. 04:09:58 But then I'm not sure where that leaves the bot, apart from handling and replying to messages... which is actually a pretty big deal I guess. 04:10:22 I take it irclib sucks? 04:10:25 SgeoN1: yep. 04:10:30 and doesn't solve this problem besides 04:10:40 Not to mention NIH. 04:10:47 pikhq: To give you a sense of how good I'd like the type system to be: a complete, type-safe encoding of IRC. 04:10:49 Why not use Smalltalk? 04:10:52 Right down to the modes. 04:11:00 Nothing is a string apart from, well, message bodies. 04:11:05 alise: You could actually do this in Plof. 04:11:08 pikhq: I started doing this in Haskell but it was Quite Painful. 04:11:11 Uhh, Plof has no static type system :P 04:11:12 alise: You'd start by adding a type system. 04:11:17 SgeoN1: because it has absolutely 0 features suitable for this 04:11:23 No, but it is more flexible than Lisp. 04:11:29 Ok,type safety pretty much throws Smalltalk out, but Python too 04:11:29 pikhq: yeaaaah :P no thanks 04:11:40 I'm using Python because it's the lowest common denominator, as I said. 04:11:46 pikhq: By the way, start using Bitstream Charter for IRC. Now. :| 04:11:58 And ... everything 04:12:05 Alise, remind me tomorrow 04:12:10 SgeoN1: To? 04:12:19 Use that font for everything 04:13:16 SgeoN1: Okay. 04:13:19 It's damn good on-screen! 04:13:31 I sshould eat something, but there's not much I'm willing to eat 04:13:31 pikhq: 04:13:33 http://ccxvii.net/gargoyle/shots/tads-lcd.png (if LCD screen) 04:13:39 http://ccxvii.net/gargoyle/shots/tads-crt.png (if non-LCD) 04:13:55 What I am saying is: god damn look how beautiful it is, it's a beautiful serif almost optimised for screen. 04:14:02 (optimised for 300dpi 80s laser printers) 04:14:09 It's not monospaced 04:14:14 SgeoN1: YOU DON'T SAY! 04:14:23 (Luxi Mono is a nice serify monospaced font that goes well with it.) 04:14:54 Would Luxury work for Methadone? 04:15:03 NetHack 04:15:25 Luxi 04:15:33 Sure. 04:15:44 ...Methadone? 04:16:04 I love autocorrect on this thing 04:16:35 Although what it tried to autocorrect was Nethack. It left NetHack aloneosh 04:16:43 aloneosh 04:18:58 * SgeoN1 puts an amulet of restful sleep on alise. Well, I think it's restful sleep. Could be Strangulation 04:19:27 why sleep. 04:19:48 alise: 'Cause. 04:20:43 Released under a licence which permits free distribution but not modification, the Luxi fonts are not free software. This led to their removal from Fedora as well as the Debian package of XFree86. 04:20:45 unfortunately 04:20:49 but luxi mono is really nice 04:21:59 What's the point of releasing free stuff if modification is allowed? If you don't want money, surely you want your stuff to be widely used... 04:22:11 you mean 04:22:14 if modification isn't allowed? 04:22:17 Isn't 04:22:23 corporation etc. 04:22:28 don't want their work tarnished 04:22:34 want to keep a good name for a high standard 04:22:44 don't want people piggybacking off their design 04:23:43 -!- comex has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net). 04:24:03 -!- comex has joined. 04:27:45