< 1282953623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what happened to the "I have a contract written several years ago that says I own most of Facebook" case? < 1282953641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut? < 1282953667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... back when the current owner of Facebook was writing the application originally (in the days when it was thefacebook.com) < 1282953677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was being funded by someone who wanted the website made < 1282953693 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the terms of the loan gave him a certain percentage of ownership in the website for every day it was late < 1282953702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he was rather late < 1282953721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION searches Slashdot for the story
< 1282953746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall seeing a headline that it was bullshit < 1282953803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/07/13/146207/Man-Claims-84-of-Facebook-Gets-Order-Blocking-Assets < 1282953811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as usual, the comments > the summary < 1282953851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Under Paragraph 3 of the contract, the Seller and Purchaser agreed that for each day after January 1, 2004, the Purchaser would acquire an additional 1% interest in the business, per day, until the website was completed ... Upon information and belief, the website, thefacebook.com, was completed and operational on February 4th, 2004." < 1282953933 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I dare you to facilitate a violation of the statement telling you not to facilitate or encourage any violations of the statement < 1282953933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 34, not 84? < 1282953945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he got another 50% due to a different part of the contract < 1282953948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1282953962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, you kind of did, merely by virtue of being here < 1282953973 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You facilitated my violation! < 1282953979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing I don't have a Facebook account then < 1282953985 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> I do < 1282954015 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1282954030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, want to watch me suffer at Xom's hands? < 1282954031 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1282954044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not really < 1282954083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, the section 2 license that they can do anything with your stuff? < 1282954094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, that's only limited to "in connection with Facebook" if you happen to be German < 1282954120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 17.1 and 17.2 are defined in terms of each other < 1282954147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: German, or residing in Germany? < 1282954162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :German, according to the contract < 1282954169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so if you're a German American, or whatever < 1282954171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: brilliant < 1282954180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the thing is still under the jurisdiction of German courts < 1282954186 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282954188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it's enforceable at all, and it probably isn't < 1282954258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it contradicts itself < 1282954265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stating that any amendment must be signed by them < 1282954273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it's been amended, and hasn't actually been signed < 1282954301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I love the provision for democracy < 1282954340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can change the agreement, but it can be overriden by a vote - but the quorum is 30% of all Facebook users < 1282954346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the chance that /that/ quorum will ever be reached? < 1282954371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, "We can make changes for legal or administrative reasons, or to correct an inaccurate statement, upon notice without opportunity to comment." < 1282954474 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] < 1282954720 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282954735 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282955391 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1282955796 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1282956118 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1282956201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Country: Space" -- film infobox on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apogee_of_Fear < 1282956332 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not acceptable to sit in and just observe a course you haven't payed for, is it? < 1282956392 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282956403 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282956672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'd ... assume not ... < 1282957158 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd assume it was acceptable < 1282957165 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paying for it is silly < 1282957195 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shouldn't have gotten the burger with pepper on it
< 1282957218 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it delays my sleep by taking more time to eat) < 1282957528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: this is america their universities are weird < 1282957538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows what their etiquette is < 1282957636 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yeah, I dunno, it's probably silly < 1282957841 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("yeah" there was a response to the first line, the rest applies as a response to the statement about etiquette) < 1282957880 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is that comex retweeted some thing about some freshman sitting in on a graduate course < 1282957914 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1282957951 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :students < 1282958014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you only read comex's tweets because he's internet famous :) < 1282958043 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex's tweets are how I found out he's internet famous < 1282958061 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's the internet and why is he famous? < 1282958142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I am totally confused by your question. < 1282958182 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the point did not escape you! I am delighted < 1282958207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ESCAPING of the POINT < 1282958219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a novel by O.L.S. Ner < 1282958242 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr Ner, how did it come to be? the escaping? < 1282958264 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at first it wasn't... then (at a later point, this was) it was < 1282958303 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think that may be the whole of it < 1282958372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Tab sat bored in orbit, a beep sounded. A transmission. He let it through, and crackled sound streamed out of the speakers. "There isn't much--" the sound cut out for a second -- "--I need--has escaped--I repeat:--the point has--" The static built up to a point, and the transmission ended. Tab opened a channel to the base on Earth. "Command," he said, "I think we may have a problem." < 1282958386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This could totally work. < 1282958402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: all we need to do is blend your lines and my lines < 1282958407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we will have the greatest bad novel of all time < 1282958437 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be bad, but it would be the greatest of the bads - the least bad if you might < 1282958456 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex? internet famous? < 1282958475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it would be an EFFORTLESS BLENDING OF GENRES, that of the English, scholarly professor Mr. Ner, and the space-faring, risk-taking Captain Tab. < 1282958483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yeah; he's behind the latest iPhone jailbreak that's all the rage. < 1282958487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jailbreakme.com and all that. < 1282958493 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf?! < 1282958500 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr Ner and Captain Tab - yes this does fill me with confidence < 1282958508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: why wtf < 1282958513 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does! < 1282958526 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't tell that from his appearances on the # < 1282958534 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, gz < 1282958539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what < 1282958558 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He appeared in a cloud; he appeared in a hallway < 1282958566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: at the start of the novel, it's two separate narratives, Mr. Ner and Captain Nab changing each chapter, but then they CONVERGE. < 1282958568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how literary is that? < 1282958594 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, being a novel I would say TOTALLY literary < 1282958605 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean COMPLETELY < 1282958619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we should also have flashback chapters < 1282958625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like to Mr. Ner's formative moments as a child prodigy < 1282958629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Captain Nab's troubled childhood < 1282958636 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes < 1282958683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (very late) reveal of exactly _what_ has escaped will of course be horribly cliched < 1282958698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonono, it is never revealed < 1282958701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the thing < 1282958703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is merely the Point < 1282958715 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we already covered what escaped, it is the point that did < 1282958723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i was thinking the opposite. < 1282958726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus allowing us to demonstrate, in a parodic yet sincere fashion, what happens to humans in the face of the unknown, and the tropes we all must ultimately succumb to < 1282958734 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but what's the point!?" you may ask < 1282958737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the sequel reveals what the Point is immediately. < 1282958742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, it would be something singularly underwhelming) < 1282958743 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... that shall eventually be apparent < 1282958763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an underwhelming singularity, that's the point < 1282958785 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what what? < 1282958800 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suspects oerjan to be overwhelmingly underwhelmed
< 1282958803 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*expects < 1282958832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: full names: Oliver Lance Sterling Ner and Jack Tab < 1282958855 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, "Lance" is a pretty good name, well done < 1282958874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty good, but not sterling < 1282958883 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oswald Eric Robertson Jan ? < 1282958898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes, he's the Prime Minister < 1282958903 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed only sterling is sterling < 1282958940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: although let's just go with Oswald Robertson Jan and leave the E out, otherwise we'll have to come with a hideous explanation for the proliferation of middle names < 1282958953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy enough to just brush away in the case of Oliver, since he's all posh-like :p < 1282958966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you seem unfamiliar with the alternate meaning < 1282958990 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seemingly, I may seem so < 1282958992 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eric is a bit boring < 1282959004 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eric Idle is not < 1282959050 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ear still hurts < 1282959063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i generally ascribe to the principle that the simplest name should be first, anyhow, otherwise it sounds stilted < 1282959065 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: cut it off before it spreads! < 1282959077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, well, we can't really change Ner < 1282959087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise the shoddy olsner-based foundation of all of this crap falls apart < 1282959089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:22 <+cheesworshiper> pikhq: My CPU is idling at 99 degrees celsius. < 1282959097 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd Even Robertson Jan < 1282959099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jack Tab is clearly an excellent name for a rugged American spaceship captain though < 1282959103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a *very* forboding thing to have as a last message before pinging out. < 1282959103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wow. < 1282959103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice norwegian names < 1282959107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1282959112 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: odd and even are nice norwegian names < 1282959122 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guttorm < 1282959122 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1282959147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THE ESCAPING of the POINT" is a very good high-brow sci-fi title though, it could get us critical acclaim no matter what the contents of the book < 1282959147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: we don't have a G in the acronym < 1282959164 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you're assuming they won't actually read the book? < 1282959173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's sci-fi. of course they won't < 1282959181 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's a norwegian name, right? < 1282959186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: sure < 1282959193 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, right... only the stupid customers do :P < 1282959194 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guttorm says bæsj < 1282959209 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the time < 1282959209 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drittsnakk < 1282959223 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh no, you too? < 1282959232 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: nope, I just fake it < 1282959239 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oof < 1282959241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well sci-fi hasn't got the greatest literary reputation ;) < 1282959252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:) < 1282959260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have iStates now < 1282959266 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Southern iCalifornia < 1282959267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Except for when the scifi in question has a good literary reputation. < 1282959272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, they argue it can't be science fiction. < 1282959290 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, if it's good it's literature and not scifi < 1282959300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually hard to come up with sci-fi authors that have escaped the toilet < 1282959309 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[i]California is now officially owned by Apple < 1282959330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly "literature" only applies to things that are approved by 80 year old English majors! < 1282959350 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've recently read some extremely awesome sci-fi < 1282959354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("I have been a soreheaded occupant of a file drawer labeled 'science fiction' ever since [publishing 'Player Piano'], and I would like out, particularly since so many serious critics regularly mistake the drawer for a urinal." --Vonnegut) < 1282959369 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: maybe we could have them take iRan and iSrael next < 1282959372 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was from Polish author, probably it was even translated to english < 1282959383 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but vonnegut makes literature rather than scifi, right? < 1282959388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Stanisław Lem by any chance? :P < 1282959392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's the claim. < 1282959403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I suppose Vonnegut managed to escape the urinal eventually < 1282959416 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean he *actually* doesn't deserve the scifi gutter, does he? < 1282959429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course he doesn't < 1282959432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many sci-fi authors don't < 1282959442 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably none of them do < 1282959448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a few. < 1282959457 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their work is not very popular. < 1282959463 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah! *arguably* anything, of course, since anything can be argued < 1282959463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a relic from the days of Amazing Stories!!! Robots from OUTER SPACE abduct BEAUTIFUL BARELY-CLAD WOMEN as HOSTAGES!!! < 1282959469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISSUE #43! < 1282959481 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg they are BARELY-CLAD < 1282959486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BARELY EVEN CLAD AT ALL < 1282959489 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no, his successor < 1282959490 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.culture.pl/en/culture/artykuly/dz_dukaj_czarne_oceany < 1282959491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the exception of extended universe stuff. That's almost universally dreck, and somehow popular.) < 1282959502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you succeed another person XD < 1282959503 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this description is not accurate < 1282959509 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book is really good as for SF < 1282959517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Amazing Stories actually had some good stuff in it back in the day. < 1282959528 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herp derp, time to sleep methinks < 1282959528 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean really < 1282959531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmm, yeah, amazing stories was actually a real one < 1282959535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to come up with a name that sounded like it < 1282959539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's so hard, they all had stupid names like that < 1282959559 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fantastic Voyage^HStories < 1282959562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alien science < 1282959571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; pulp magazines have some of the stupidest names. < 1282959573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Star Trek novels are like badly-coded nano-machines < 1282959583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless and replicating at a ridiculous rate < 1282959599 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh, I think that counts as making a funny < 1282959609 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hey, there's a book with fan-submitted stores and there were some that I liked! < 1282959611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: have i not been making funnies? < 1282959618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: stfu < 1282959629 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1282959631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1282959647 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: this observation has no relation to previous events < 1282959649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1282959655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you're fun when you don't sleep; don't < 1282959666 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: thanks :D < 1282959670 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, alise, do you know some books by Lem? < 1282959686 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'm woefully low on caffeinated beverages with dubious additives < 1282959687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I know of them, certainly; I want to read Solaris sometime. < 1282959691 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one story, Of Cabbages and Kings < 1282959691 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1282959708 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try Dukaj, if his works were translated < 1282959710 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not bode well for the morn < 1282959716 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1282959718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: BTW, Amazing Stories wasn't merely "a real one". It was the first pulp magazine devoted to science fiction. < 1282959727 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is called the recent Lem < 1282959729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah i know < 1282959740 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.adherents.com/lit/bk_Thatcher.html#Cabbages < 1282959747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just, you know < 1282959748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name is crap < 1282959788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1282959791 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pulp" is fun, it supposedly refers to the paper this particular quality of magazine was printed on... but I'm not quite sure what quality that is... I mean, all paper is pulp at some stage is it not? < 1282959818 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything means nothing < 1282959855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read "pulp" as "for popular consumption" < 1282959859 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason < 1282959881 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://www.dukaj.pl/English/ReadingRoom/BlackOceans < 1282959887 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mere fragment < 1282959900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: please don't sleep this is awesome < 1282959907 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The name pulp comes from the cheap wood pulp paper on which the magazines were printed." < 1282959914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His first codename was WINNIE_THE_POOH" gahahahaha < 1282959920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yeah, but the paper they used had fairly minimal processing. It pretty much amounted to sticking wood pulp in a frame and letting it dry. < 1282959929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He liked the poetry of English metaphysicians" < 1282959934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: this is utterly bizarre < 1282959945 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;] < 1282959948 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well, isn't that what normal paper "pretty much" amounts to? < 1282959962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: that first paragraph made absolutely no sense < 1282959980 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book is about DARPA, corporations, neuromonads and more < 1282959981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's, uh, not particularly good writing unless it has larger context to explain it < 1282959984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just random words < 1282959999 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense only if you're reading the whole < 1282960002 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :book < 1282960011 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this fragmet is about some stupid computer < 1282960015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: With some chemical processes to get a finer paper out of it... < 1282960017 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, it is quite random, but if you let it make sense it will < 1282960032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1282960037 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really relevant < 1282960040 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the whole story < 1282960041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Point is approaching... Mach 7..." < 1282960055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleaching, for instance... < 1282960058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Command's calls of impending destruction did nothing to ease Tab's spirits. < 1282960073 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh! so at this point, it is not already established that the point has escaped? < 1282960091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He clenched his teeth, sat straight in his seat, closed his eyes, bit his lip... and aimed the ship's weapons at itself. < 1282960100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it has escaped already ... but now it approaches Tab < 1282960115 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, Tab's Predicament < 1282960154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An infinitesimal moment passed; impossible to speak about, as though it occurred on the human scale of things, Tab did not think a single thought in its passing. And then, he fired. < 1282960164 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1282960178 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herp nooga derp < 1282960179 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"impossible to speak about" XD < 1282960207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was expecting eternal nothingness so greatly that for a second or two he didn't bother to think, and he was just about ready to conclude that he was dead when he felt the ship around him. He opened his eyes. Somehow, the shots had missed the ship entirely. He ran a diagnostic. < 1282960214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: CONTRADICTIONS ARE LITERARY < 1282960237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1282960239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OVER TO MR. NER < 1282960240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LITERALS ARE CONTRACTED DICTION < 1282960269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If I'm going to consult with you I'd at least like tea to be delivered on a *semi*-regular basis, dammit." < 1282960277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oliver was not in a terribly good mood. < 1282960292 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Diagnostics show nothing." Nothing!? Well, obviously the ship is still there, the shots had missed it. < 1282960296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: HEY < 1282960298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS A MR. NER CHAPTER < 1282960302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET YOUR FILTHY TAB MATERIAL OUT OF IT < 1282960336 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAB MATERIAL!? < 1282960391 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, I don't have much to contribute right here... it doesn't work if you expect it of me < 1282960407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1282960420 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is mr ner anyway? < 1282960428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lieutenant -- or, as Oliver would have had him called, leftenant -- approached Oliver. "Sir, Captain Tab just fired a shot at the Excellence itself in a desperate attempt to destroy the Point. But he just communicated with us a second ago; the ship is still there. No sign of the Point." < 1282960439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: a professor of ... astrophysics or something < 1282960449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scholarly, very English. lives in a very old, grand house. < 1282960464 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sign? No point? Obviously this is victory for Tab. < 1282960468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irritable. likes tea. genius. helping the US space agency at this point for no apparent reason < 1282960521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aha," said Tab, "but a sign would point to the point, and since there is no sign, there must be no point, as the point that would be there -- that is, the sign -- would point to the point; and if the point were pointed to, Tab would know where it is. Since he doesn't, the point must obviously be gone." < 1282960533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sir..." said the baffled lieutenant. < 1282960534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1282960539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Tab -> Oliver < 1282960550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorry, sorry," said Oliver. "Has he run a diagnostic?" < 1282960556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He's doing so as we speak." < 1282960569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1282960581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tab drummed his fingers as the diagnostic ran. < 1282960599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer beeped. "Diagnostic complete", read the screen in front of him. < 1282960607 0 :calamari!~kidsquid@206.29.188.235 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282960616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tab forwarded it to Command, and waited for the analysts to respond. < 1282960618 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1282960652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What seemed to Tab like an eternity of uncertainty passed, and eventually a response echoed out from the communications system. < 1282960657 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A diagnostic? How quaint. Did you expect the Diagnostic to simply point out the Point? < 1282960661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The shots definitely fired. But the Point intercepted them." < 1282960672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Have I destroyed it?" < 1282960680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No. The shots did no damage." < 1282960683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1282960688 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intercepted the Point? But would there then not be a Sign? < 1282960712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sincerely doubt the shots were intercepted. that would require them getting to the point, after all. < 1282960715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a name for a US general now < 1282960722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surname < 1282960745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacFord < 1282960749 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about... Attenbauer? < 1282960781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1282960811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oliver burst into the quiet office of General Attenbauer. "What the hell are you doing, bursting into my office like this?" the general asked, although it was more like an interrogating demand. < 1282960824 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there is one thing we can assume here, it's that nothing can get to the point. < 1282960831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sir -- forgive me -- I have reason to believe that the Point is sentient." < 1282960847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sentient?" said Attenbauer. "You mean it can think?" < 1282960853 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we are quite close to the point, in fact the Point has already been intercepted < 1282960861 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or so Command says) < 1282960865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes; and act upon those thoughts, too. I think it put itself in the way of the shots to keep Tab alive." < 1282960898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's a good point < 1282960900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Then... it is either benevolent, or acting according to some greater plan that involves Tab in some way. But why do you believe this? The Point's actions have appeared completely random up until now." < 1282960943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because the ship's tracking of the Point shows erratic movement patterns that are entirely consistent with those of a being experiencing fear." < 1282960948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1282961077 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fcuk.it/ O_o < 1282961186 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tab, look at it this way. It's afraid of you - you should have tea with it." < 1282961341 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tea with a Point? What does that even mean!?" thought Tab. He nodded as if the statement was both profound and obvious - it probably was to Oliver. < 1282961349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the point is to prevent tab completing his mission < 1282961358 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may well be why it is < 1282961410 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pinyin.info/readings/texts/moser.html Articles like this make me want to learn Mandarin. < 1282961416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Just so I have room to mock people*. < 1282961434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, so I cheat, because I can *already* comprehend (simple) written Chinese. But still.) < 1282961467 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: and that shall be it for now - for now I shall sleep < 1282961484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think i may just cut out all your parts < 1282961490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and therefore cease all the profits < 1282961494 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282961506 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282961719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Very few Americans, on the other hand, ever learn to produce a natural calligraphic hand in Chinese that resembles anything but that of an awkward Chinese third-grader." < 1282961723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MOCK THAT! < 1282961744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is there anything wrong with that article? < 1282961773 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Factually? Not a hell of a lot. < 1282961782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Opinion-wise? So very very much. < 1282961795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chinese is hard" seems like a reasonable opinion. < 1282961819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that he then goes on to say that it's impossibly hard and that it takes years and years just to learn all the characters. < 1282961829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is... Comical. < 1282961890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also seems to labor under the impression that English's orthography is easy. < 1282961906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's one of the most complex.) < 1282961915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban solves all problems < 1282961927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except getting laid. < 1282961985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also: Japanese's orthography is, in fact, harder than Chinese.) < 1282961988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chinese doesn't solve that problem either :P < 1282961998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[However, in mašq and those styles of kufic writing which lack consonant pointing, the ambiguities are more serious, for here different roots are written the same. ﯨطر could represent the root nẓr 'see' as above, but also nṭr 'protect', bṭr 'pride', bẓr 'clitoris' or 'with flint', as well as several inflections and derivations of each of these root words.]] < 1282961998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Does if you're gay. < 1282962017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or female! < 1282962027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes... because men like nothing more than Chinese. < 1282962039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, the thing is, there's a gender disparity in China. < 1282962050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Significantly more men than women. < 1282962068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, with Lojban you could also seduce someone from Lojbaia. < 1282962069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojbania? < 1282962071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojbia? < 1282962083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojbanistan. < 1282962092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojbanistania. < 1282962149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ 嚔 < 1282962151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst character ever < 1282962184 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1282962243 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1282962244 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1282962244 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282962296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, it's just 口 + 土 + (... the 家 radical without the dot; can't type it easily) + 田 + 足 < 1282962299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRR < 1282962335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking up a couple of characters because they don't have Japanese readings (so I can't just type them) < 1282962357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, that's just an obnoxiously archaic reading. Anyways. < 1282962380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :口 + 土 + + 田 + 足 < 1282962385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP DOING THAT IRSSI < 1282962389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PASTING != ENTER < 1282962521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :口 + 土 + 冖 + 田 + 厶 + 疋 < 1282962523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1282962526 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all. < 1282962536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two archaicisms and something that's not a character. Curses. < 1282962580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Anyways. Lojbanistania Minshushugi Gijin Minkyouwakoku. < 1282962590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat < 1282962600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The Democratic People's Republic of Lojbanistania. < 1282962616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1282962821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This article is at least accurate in that romanisation for Chinese languages sucks majorly. < 1282962861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Roman alphabet is just lacking in good ways of representing phonemes. < 1282962903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arguably, romanisation for Anglo-Frisian languages also sucks majorly, and for the same reason...) < 1282962962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ut where the real difficulty comes in is when you start to really use Chinese to express yourself. You suddenly find yourself straitjacketed -- when you say the sentence with the intonation that feels natural, the tones come out all wrong." < 1282962994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I know he's ignorant? Because this happens with a *lot* of languages! English's stress patterns sound freaking bizarre in *most* languages! < 1282963302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amaximaximaximainineoaerion < 1282963467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION once again growls at broken power cables
< 1282963475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer will probably hibernate soon < 1282963480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not getting power < 1282963490 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because cables that enter my possession break uinstantly < 1282963511 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cries
< 1282963676 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it spontaneously decided to start charging again < 1282964150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hole in tpace and sime < 1282964190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :place and slime! < 1282964261 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the relative playslime < 1282965069 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playground of Jiyva < 1282965840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLACE and SLIME, the critically-acclaimed sequel to THE ESCAPING of the POINT < 1282965891 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminded me of a debate on Slashdot < 1282965914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where they were trying to discuss a programming language that had no legal issues at all, in practice or theory, and additionally that nobody would try to sue you for using < 1282965925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the end, they settled on Common Lisp, on the basis that nobody cares about it < 1282966082 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B217D75.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282966118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1282966133 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python has legal issues? < 1282966142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every damn language has legal issues in the US < 1282966147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a software parent for everything < 1282966152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm sure there's a patent on roman numerals :P < 1282966159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably multiple < 1282966175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC could probably patent CLC-INTERCAL style roman numerals right now as a design patent < 1282966193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than the fact he's Scottish and thus lives in a marginally saner patent environment than the US < 1282966229 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if PSOX is patentable
< 1282966237 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, the idea of .. what PSOX is < 1282966277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If linked lists can be patented, so can PSOX. < 1282966295 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :......linked lists are patented?! < 1282966299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1282966325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most every non-trivial program will violate a software patent. Just give up on programming legally. < 1282966393 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to patent "Hello, World!"
< 1282966400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prior art... < 1282966418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, arguably Bilski means software patents aren't valid in the US any more, at least some of them < 1282966419 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello, World!!!" < 1282966443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah... < 1282966453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US is still a crazy legal environment though. < 1282966454 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bilski? < 1282966457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the courts even managed to reject some < 1282966465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you could try following the Supreme Court more < 1282966470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you *are* perfectly legal, you can probably be sued into bankruptcy. < 1282966477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : In re Bilski is the normal abbrevation < 1282966495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As defending yourself in court is expensive. < 1282966508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs Konversation to briefly review KDE 4's general usability
< 1282966521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: CLC is Scottish? cool < 1282966529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the point of being effectively impossible if your opponent is a large corporation. < 1282966530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will henceforth refer to him as Scotty. < 1282966535 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know for certain, but there's very strong circumstantial evidence < 1282966559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: you could try following the Supreme Court more ;; haha < 1282966573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why haha? < 1282966575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do his bytes give off a certain hint of a Scottish accent? < 1282966589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: CLC-INTERCAL's documentation describes it as a Scottish compiler < 1282966596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, just the amusingness of a Brit telling a random person to follow Supreme Court proceedings, as if that were a perfectly normal thing to do < 1282966608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's INTERCAL. Shouldn't that be evidence /against/ CLC being Scottish? < 1282966640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I don't know < 1282966642 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So everything in the documentation is Gospel lies? < 1282966650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd have had to have learnt Scottish Gaelic in order to improve the ruse < 1282966669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@dinky ~]$ kde4-config < 1282966669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@dinky ~]$ < 1282966672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Isn't Sgeo... American? < 1282966677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1282966710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how is KDE4, atm? < 1282966710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as opposed to Mexican Gaelic? < 1282966718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to Irish Gaelic < 1282966724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, that would be reasonable < 1282966725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 4 is yet to be evaluated. < 1282966727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ah; misparsed your statement. < 1282966731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Anyways. < 1282966735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of hard to do so in GNOME. < 1282966747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably install Konqueror instead. < 1282966751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING FUCK FUCK. I know this is minorly old news but AARGH < 1282966763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's fucking segregated proms in the US still. < 1282966790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck the south. Should've let them suceed. < 1282966790 0 :kalise!~ehird@91.104.251.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282966794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Secede. < 1282966796 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems just like older KDE 4s to me < 1282966802 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably not a good thing < 1282966815 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME works, but it's just plain boring :-D < 1282966827 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't run Linux because I want things to actually /work/ < 1282966857 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a reason you won't just adopt the obvious IRC naming convention and say "'In re Bilski'"? < 1282966860 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, "In re Bilski" < 1282966900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me, that's almost as grammatically incorrect as leaving off accents < 1282966914 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: would you object to "Moby Dick"? < 1282966922 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, that would normally be set as \emph{Moby Dick} < 1282966932 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the quotes suffice in ASCII < 1282966935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for book names, it's less clear < 1282966938 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Wikipedia uses ''...'' for italics < 1282966941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but quotes make it look like a subtitle < 1282966944 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lending more credence to it, I suppose < 1282966944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those are doublesinglequotes < 1282966949 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but still < 1282966956 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, what about 'In re Bilski'? < 1282966959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine most IRCers would think "''Moby Dick''" would be crazy < 1282966969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it looks like a trendy middle name < 1282966976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :along the lines of Elliot 'alise' Hird < 1282966991 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two ts, god dammit < 1282967001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, OK < 1282967009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I'd remembered it as being specifically 1 < 1282967010 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear, if my life was a sitcom, the spelling of my name would be the reliable comic foil. < 1282967015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you got annoyed whenever people got it wrong < 1282967018 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1282967031 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You try spending your formative years having your name spelled wrong in increasingly creative ways :) < 1282967031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd remembered "Elliott normally has two t's", probably because of you < 1282967033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so changed it < 1282967044 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Elliot" is the most common variation of the name, I think. < 1282967056 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is what Wikipedia lists the name under < 1282967115 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once wrote a card to a girl. I remembered seeing her name on a piece of paper, but when I asked my mom, she said the name would be spelled differently from what I thought I saw < 1282967140 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wrote down the spelling that she said, which turned out to be wrong < 1282967164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: Imagine having a last name that only people from Britain can spell or pronounce. :P < 1282967181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in your case it wouldn't come up much. But here... urgh. < 1282967189 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Americans have trouble pronouncing "Hird", I think. < 1282967192 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I think I'll call you Sauce < 1282967201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: Anything like "herd"? < 1282967203 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, they simply have no idea how to go about pronouncing it, and definitely don't conclude it should be pronounced as a Brit would pronounce "herd". < 1282967207 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: British "herd". < 1282967218 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's that different from heard? < 1282967218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd pronounce "hird" and "herd" the same way... < 1282967223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "heard" for that matter < 1282967227 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but speakers of other dialects may not. < 1282967244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "hurd" < 1282967248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: So, same as "heard" and "herd" and "hurd"... < 1282967262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, people sometimes say "Set" or sometimes a name only relate to mine in that there's one syllible < 1282967278 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konqueror gives me the same slightly-upset, mostly confused feeling as always < 1282967292 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite upsetting < 1282967302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: Imagine an ignorant American doing "Worcester". < 1282967311 0 :kwertii!~kwertii@ResNet-32-110.resnet.ucsb.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1282967313 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: War cester. < 1282967318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: War Chester. < 1282967324 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously? < 1282967326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1282967331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY INSERT A FUCKING H < 1282967333 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Americans are more retarded than I thought. < 1282967338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once, I needed a late pass from some school librarian, and said my name "Gold" < 1282967350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also heard "War Kester". < 1282967356 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've actually never heard War Cester. < 1282967356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your name isn't "Sgeo"? < 1282967362 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She asked "man?". I was thoroughly confused by this, and said yes, assuming she was asking if I was a man < 1282967368 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Seth Gold Seth Gold Seth Gold Seth Gold < 1282967372 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out, she was asking if I meant "Goldman" < 1282967380 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Sgeo's father has a heart attack] < 1282967383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm absolutely astonished when someone pronounces it right. < 1282967394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Worcester" is pronounced something like "wooster" but with a shorter oo < 1282967397 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wusster. Not hard. < 1282967405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Very well aware. < 1282967414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Leicester" is another good one for confusing foreigners < 1282967419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: Yes, but nobody does it right. < 1282967426 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise, I don't think you know my middle name < 1282967429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Lester? < 1282967431 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Seth Sgeo Gold < 1282967439 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know what KDE component contains the control centre? < 1282967471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: Well, nobody except people from Massachusetts or Britan. < 1282967473 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I coerced Epiphany into following my evil hintingless issues < 1282967476 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *Britain < 1282967481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that. < 1282967488 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise, your nick reminds me of a Siner's nick < 1282967509 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: True. I was wondering why it seemed familiar to me. < 1282967524 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I remember about kaelis is that (s)he hated Gregor for some unrevealed, probably-stupid reason. < 1282967538 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, (s)he is probably the safest pronoun for every single member of Sine.) < 1282967684 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is still a Siner, fwiw < 1282967697 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1282967700 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although he recently tried to do a poll asking if he should leave < 1282967712 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How attention whorey. < 1282967741 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people were angry at him for some reason or another < 1282967763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Sine? < 1282967775 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a dump. < 1282967795 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My experience with Siners is that they're a bunch of whiney, inconsistent, boring... entities. So it is. < 1282967810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me rephrase that: what is it meant to be? < 1282967814 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: An IRC network. < 1282967820 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An "omg private" IRC network. < 1282967830 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc.aftran.com, port 9999, I believe. < 1282967842 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not; aftran.com appears to be dead. < 1282967845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repent, siners < 1282967854 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repnt < 1282967966 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION glowers at alise
< 1282967978 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For revealing the secret? < 1282967992 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tee hee. I'm disrupting the sanctity of the Prolonged, Internet-Based Grumble. < 1282968008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think certain persons would at least prefer if you used the IP address instead, although I may be mistaken < 1282968034 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can anyone even care about that? < 1282968047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same way I might care if I set up sethgold.net < 1282968051 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sethgold.name < 1282968063 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. Because "Aftran" is someone's real name. < 1282968501 0 :sftp_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282969004 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d-a- < 1282969159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-r-t < 1282969182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is tellypathetic
< 1282969197 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ic-na < 1282969213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google will now know exactly where I am during school hours :/ < 1282969226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you are just m--s--g with me < 1282969259 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fa-r-t- < 1282969299 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats kalise -----###
< 1282969304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T CALL ME THAT < 1282970457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, it had to be done eventually: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220080270152%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20080270152&RS=DN/20080270152 < 1282970487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a patent application on the process of suing somebody for damages over a patent < 1282970512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not yet a patent though. < 1282970522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell from that page whether it was granted or not < 1282970560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have a patent number if it were. < 1282970574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have not been summarily rejected. < 1282970578 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is itself troublesome. < 1282970602 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am currently conducting some sort of review of KDE SC 4.5. < 1282970618 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Software Collection", the fashionable new name for what we used to call KDE.) < 1282970636 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB < 1282970643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Google owns my soul < 1282970670 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Konqueror uses smooth scrolling by default, which is insanely frustrating. < 1282970693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smooth scrolling must die. < 1282970694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if smooth scrolling is fast enough, it's OK I suppose < 1282970714 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the sort where you move the mouse wheel and half a second later the page finishes scrolling? < 1282970718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an abomination < 1282970734 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1282970743 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when it mysteriously gives up < 1282970758 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just scrolls normally < 1282970759 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like right now < 1282970762 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1282970763 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282970789 0 :kalise!~ehird@91.104.251.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282970796 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Starting Akonadi server..." < 1282970798 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't. < 1282970803 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh Akonadi < 1282970813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things, it crashed and claimed to have deleted all my IRC logs < 1282970823 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was particularly ironic given that I eventually found them < 1282970858 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ssh, the writers of Star Trek: Voyager will hear you! < 1282970870 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that matter? < 1282970875 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mwahaha! I have killed your entire crew!" "Noooo! But why are they standing right next to me on the bridge?" < 1282970881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can produce bad ideas from anything. < 1282970882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1282970884 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They're figments of your imagination!" "NOOOOOOO! You win!" < 1282970890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're even talented at it. < 1282970906 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it would probably be a good idea if nobody ever talked, ever, just in case they heard < 1282970914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, ESR seems to be good at losing email < 1282970919 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"losing" < 1282970927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he emailed me and asked for a copy of an email I'd sent him a few hours earlier < 1282970942 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got caught in his Evil Idiotarian Liberal Moron filter < 1282970947 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it filters 99.9% of email) < 1282970970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Knuth's secretary emailed him (CCing me) answering a question with, effectively, "I've told you that at least twice already, but here's the answer again) < 1282970975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: no, he'd read the original < 1282970986 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had forgotten something I'd written in it, so asked for another copy < 1282970994 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably deletes the email he reads < 1282971001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was my conclusion < 1282971032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because kilobytes matter on terabyte drives. < 1282971050 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i think it's an organisational thing used by people too stupid to create a Read folder < 1282971056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :folder? < 1282971061 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in their mail client < 1282971063 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, KDE Help Center requires htdig to create a search index < 1282971063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with the Read status in the email client? < 1282971067 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how awful < 1282971074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is htdig? < 1282971074 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, "read, considered, done". < 1282971082 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htdig is an html thing < 1282971097 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr KDE's help search works by indexing the rendered, output HTML files < 1282971119 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1282971123 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ht-//Dig < 1282971126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not necessarily insane < 1282971132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if they're stored as HTML in the first place < 1282971134 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ok, but it does suck for the end-user < 1282971155 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rendered, not raw, so there should be nothing weird about searching for "html" < 1282971163 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what? < 1282971174 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1282971180 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This configuration section is already opened in Konqueror" < 1282971183 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't, I closed that window < 1282971187 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid locking thing < 1282971196 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's right < 1282971205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, Paul Allen (the less famous founder of Microsoft) has gone and sued most of the major tech companies in existence, except Microsoft < 1282971213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the infringed patents is about using a browser to view images < 1282971230 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1282971236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually, data in general, but images and videos in particular < 1282971262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen speculation that what he wants to do is to get people to realize the absurdity of software patents < 1282971264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote we sue him for hurting my faith in humanity. < 1282971293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it'd be a little expensive for that, wouldn't it? < 1282971304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if Florian Muller's turned up yet, and what side he's on? < 1282971318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: He's a billionare. < 1282971320 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a microsoft founder is actually a benevolent vigilante who throws away his millions for a good cause < 1282971321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently he hasn't < 1282971321 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1282971326 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo you are great < 1282971327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could wipe his ass with $100 bills. < 1282971343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: the good cause might be a side-effect < 1282971364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, someone noticed that he seems to be avoiding suing companies based in Seattle < 1282971367 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of what, more money? < 1282971370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether that's a coincidence or not, who can say < 1282971377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: well, software patents do screw up the economy < 1282971382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say he wants to make a tech startup < 1282971389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he could do worse than eliminating software patents first < 1282971399 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit of a bold aim < 1282971447 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konqueror bug: it uses KHTML < 1282971451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: any opinions on why Intel bought McAfee, btw? < 1282971457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: I thought it was being ported to Webkit? < 1282971466 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "I need a virus scanner; buy McAfee for me." < 1282971469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: Actually, it now uses QtWebkit. < 1282971471 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1282971474 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope < 1282971476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: I don't believe that theory < 1282971477 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE SC 4.5, opened Konqueror < 1282971479 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KHTML < 1282971484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that shit. < 1282971494 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :View -> View Mode -> (*) KHTML < 1282971494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel would surely notice if they bought a massive company by accident < 1282971505 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's utterly nonsensical, so I'm sticking to that theory < 1282971506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a medium-sized one < 1282971546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: Ars Technica's theory, which is the only one that even makes remote sense, is that they want to move into the security software business (combined with security hardware on their chips) < 1282971555 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bought a company in a vaguely related area which already had market share < 1282971572 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new theory: McAfee make a shit ton of money < 1282971576 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel want a shit ton of money < 1282971587 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel buy McAfee to accrue shit tons of money in the future < 1282971601 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any flaws with this one? < 1282971612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parents dismissed that one < 1282971626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the basis that investment banks would have done it first if it was purely based on accounting reasons < 1282971658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel are not likely going around looking for undervalued companies to buy as an investment < 1282971671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it'd be useful for them, but companies that specialise in that are likely to get there first < 1282971694 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's a well-known fact that buying McAfee will get you a ton of money in the long-term < 1282971699 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel are in a vaguely related sector < 1282971704 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes sense that they'd look for companies to buy up < 1282971712 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that sector < 1282971723 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1282971733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1282971736 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say intel got mcafee quite cheap < 1282971759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do have the advantage that they could plausibly act so as to aid mcafee < 1282971786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, my faith in #esoteric has been restored by nobody yet suggesting hardware antivirus < 1282971805 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why would that /restore/ your faith in our esotericiness? < 1282971833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it restores my faith in humanity < 1282971836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only a small subset of it < 1282971846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I should say the #esoteric community < 1282971847 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but our point is to be basically inhumane < 1282971848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the channel itself < 1282971867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, most esolangs are not morally objectionable < 1282971875 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware antivirus is? < 1282971887 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what esolangs /are/ morally objectionable? < 1282971892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just a really realy bad idea < 1282971896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*really < 1282971923 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUM! dum dam dum dum! < 1282971939 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a cookie if that played correctly in your head, first time < 1282972072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: Ook. < 1282972080 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook < 1282972081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: YOU TORTURE MONKEYS TO MAKE THE OOKS. < 1282972094 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so that's why the language is interesting < 1282972212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the reconstructed C-INTERCAL repo is at http://gitorious.org/intercal/intercal < 1282972235 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eric S. Raymond < 1282972236 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523" < 1282972243 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you shame yourself with such juxtaposition? < 1282972247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are our gitorious usernames < 1282972266 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gitorious.org/cyclexa/mainline < 1282972269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't see why you can't work with someone on an unrelated task even if you disagree with their philosophies < 1282972289 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like, uh, working with Hitler! < 1282972293 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something! < 1282972330 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with ESR? < 1282972332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just compared ESR to Hitler? < 1282972338 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's illegal in Germany, among other things < 1282972340 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN A MANNER < 1282972350 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, lots of things are illegal in Germany. < 1282972356 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: enough < 1282972360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many of them should be elsewhere too < 1282972363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although probably not /that/ one < 1282972389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kalise: You know who else made things illegal? < 1282972391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HITLER < 1282972394 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Genocide is illegal in Germany!" "Yes, well, lots of things are illegal in Germany." < 1282972401 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rape is illegal in Germany!" "Yes, well, lots of things are illegal in Germany." < 1282972408 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a defence that works in many situations. < 1282972415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty bad defense < 1282972425 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a GOOD one! < 1282972445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "a but not a" inherently false? < 1282972501 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you believe the dialetheists! < 1282972502 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "but" a logical ... operator thingy? < 1282972511 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not = and not, pretty much < 1282972556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders what the value of ( = ) is
< 1282972561 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My toe is painfully itchy :( < 1282972576 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1282972601 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: >_< < 1282972605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome calculator says "Malformed expression" < 1282972615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, makes a strange clicking noise whenever you press or release Shift < 1282972618 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gcalctool < 1282972620 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1282972636 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes insane
< 1282972638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it both a) makes logical sense, and b) is annoying < 1282972673 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, the "using alphabetised lists to verbosely restate simple statements for dramatic effect" patent belongs to ME! < 1282972700 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) My toe b) is itchy < 1282972706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suggests putting on some lotion
< 1282972732 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My toe is (a) a toe, and (b) itchy. < 1282972755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) prior (b) art < 1282972848 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1282972849 0 :kalise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282972858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1282973211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, I should ask in here next time I have a medical issue < 1282973332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me, i'm a doctor < 1282973341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: of mathematics < 1282973349 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOIDBERG! < 1282973378 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irc.peeron.com/xkcd/bucket/literal_irc%20medical%20advice.txt < 1282973443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: context? < 1282973493 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, on Futurama, Zoidberg is a "doctor" who doesn't know the first thing about human anatomy < 1282973513 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I assumed it was a Final Fantasy reference < 1282973554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You should watch Futurama. < 1282973573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have watched bits, when I noticed it was on < 1282973581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't really track things like the individual characters < 1282973602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch a few episodes, it'll be easy. < 1282973618 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOwX0qGhdlg < 1282973671 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQF9g6EjPw&feature=related < 1282974398 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The autopsy revealed that the patient was asleep." < 1282974412 0 :Gregor-L!~Gregor@173-123-0-25.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282974427 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does an autopsy on Gregor-L
< 1282974436 0 :Gregor-L!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1282974443 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My internet connection left my computer. < 1282976542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm even less like AnMaster than you are in that respect <-- XD < 1282976574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ouch, what is/was the cause? < 1282976597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, still, temporary using phone for tethering is a slow but not too expensive solution < 1282976607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least with my dataplan) < 1282976669 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it has left you completely < 1282976676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just a specific computer < 1282976685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the latter case, even more ouch) < 1282976701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1282976701 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was referring to taking my phone away from the computer :P < 1282976812 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't allowed to tether
< 1282977519 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "allowed" < 1282977524 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not "allowed" to tether. < 1282977586 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282977602 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have gcc on my phone now >: ) < 1282977612 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should install lighttpd on it next :P < 1282977632 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282978160 0 :trounce_!~trounce@c-98-246-8-27.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282978569 0 :trounce_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1282978611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282978980 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad wants me to choose between eReader and netbook I can bring to school < 1282978989 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think netbooks can really run IDEs that well < 1282979014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the class I need it for is Perl, and just ssh really, so for this semester it's ok, but... < 1282979078 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I still want that infinite notepad paper that the eReader promises < 1282979466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What eReader? < 1282979482 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want infinite notepad paper, go with something more like ... notepad paper. < 1282979503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: IDE? You mean an editor and a shell? < 1282979539 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also a compiler, and maybe make :P < 1282979559 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if those are your only options, then clearly the netbook. < 1282979560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay, fine. < 1282979568 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Also: IDE? You mean ssh? < 1282979591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to listen to some Hitchhiker's Guide, then bed.
< 1282980015 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, as in, Visual Studio < 1282980030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something more OSS like Code::Blocks < 1282980366 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I get the eReader, I would have to bring my heavy laptop to school < 1282981092 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: New quit message. Entering 2006 in style. < 1282981852 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1282982399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1282982400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1282982572 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1282982655 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@173-123-163-172.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282983466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, fungot fungot < 1282983466 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: being a man... it's not here... better get some rest tonight. let's do our best, but... i can't stop anymore. < 1282985295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1282985295 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7* fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1282985308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah I see < 1282985342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not "allowed" to tether. <-- I'm allowed to, but the carrier warns that "it won't work with an iphone, nothing we can do about that" < 1282985362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is no way I would ever consider getting an iphone < 1282985364 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-100.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282985412 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why a netbook btw? < 1282985437 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, are there small laptops roughly as light as netbooks? Are they as cheap? < 1282985447 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, I'll try to convince my dad < 1282985451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I use a laptop, 15". Large enough to use for extended periods while small enough for me to carry in a non-oversized backpack < 1282985480 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, *my* laptop isn't cheap. It is a thinkpad. But I'm pretty sure a dell of the same screen size and similar cpu would be way cheaper < 1282985488 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it wouldn't last as long < 1282985515 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would lack features like acceleration sensor to move harddrive head over the discs and so on < 1282985526 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would have a non-matte monitor < 1282985534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you consider that a problem < 1282985545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, still it would probably run visual studio quite well < 1282985552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are small ones, 13" and such iirc < 1282985579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, iirc alise and ais523 both have some "netbook sized, laptop performance" computers < 1282985594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toshiba iirc, could be wrong though < 1282985617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any advantages to a netbook over a netbook-sized laptop? < 1282985622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, but using visual studio on a 12" would probably not be a very pleasant experience < 1282985639 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, maybe battery life, not sure. < 1282985679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, and that netbooks probably still come with xp instead of vista or 7. Though that is easy to fix. If nothing else most universities seem to provide MSDNAA to compsci students these days < 1282985725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, oh and with a laptop you can probably run windows in virtualbox with reasonable performance. I can recommend the 64-bit xp pro as being especially fast under virualbox for me < 1282985753 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried visual studio though, never really needed it < 1282985785 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does need to sleep
< 1282985838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, surely it's about 5 in the States? < 1282985844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1282985855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have been asleep a while ago < 1282985915 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, the C programming teacher showed visual studio running in some xp under virtualbox on his netbook. He ran linux as the native OS, saw it when he was hooking up the projector. His window manager was twm < 1282985924 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never really seen anyone else use that for ages < 1282985965 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't he just use an IDE that runs under Linux if that's.... Oh. Idiot students < 1282985972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, he showed emacs too :P < 1282985996 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, but since the lab computers have xp he needed to show how it worked there < 1282985998 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, putting the computer down and sleeping < 1282986005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya < 1282986061 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I've toyed with twm... < 1282986085 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly because it's the only proper X window manager on OS X, though. < 1282986613 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1282986631 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, X on OS X doesn't look like it is using twm iirc? < 1282986644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather window bars look like native OS X iirc < 1282986646 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesnt by default. < 1282986652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doesn't < 1282986675 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does have twm installed. < 1282986737 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1282987518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1282988261 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god, this Stig thing is completely insane... < 1282988922 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to thutubot, BtW? < 1282989470 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stig? < 1282989487 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, the test driver on a British motoring show. < 1282989514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He always wears overalls and a helmet, and his identity is a closely guarded secret. < 1282989518 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1282989530 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1282989533 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now he wants to publish an autobiography, and the BBC are Very Annoyed at this. < 1282989973 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1282990005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably the most ridiculous thing ever. < 1282990009 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose anonymous publishing is out of the question < 1282990298 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I know the show; I think some Finnish channel shows it, and my wife's brothers watch it. We were visiting one day and saw this episode where they "revealed" his identity to be Schumacher. < 1282990314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No recollection of the name though. < 1282990327 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1282991068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, but that's widely accepted as being a joke. < 1282991203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, thus "revealed". < 1282991319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The original Stig actor, Perry McCarthy revealed his identity in his autobiography[2][3] in 2002. In 2003 his character, the 'Black Stig', was killed off, and replaced with the 'White Stig'." Heh; if he goes through with the book, it seems he should be careful of "accidents". < 1282992785 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1282993553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking for gcc... gcc < 1282993553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... no < 1282993553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether gcc accepts -g... no < 1282993553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... unsupported < 1282993554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1282993558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks strange < 1282993584 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it complain about stdlib.h not exisiting, yet when I try out the commands that it reports fails in config.log manually... everything works < 1282993585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1282994945 0 :Dyle!~Dyle@41.221.164.59 JOIN :#esoteric < 1282995224 0 :Dyle!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1282995897 0 :cheater00!~cheater@p5B21658F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1282996007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm got it to compile in the end < 1282996011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the debug output of a JIT compiler for 68k emulation: Max CPUID level=10 Processor is GenuineIntel [PentiumPro] < 1282996011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a bit strange since it is running on a core 2 duo and JITing to x86_64 code. < 1282996011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works fine though as far as I can tell... < 1282996039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, iirc you are the guy most likely to have a clue about what might cause that < 1282996105 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1282996107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to have x86-64 as an alternative < 1282996117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe it only checks for AMD + x86-64 or such < 1282997561 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'll need to look at the sources if you are curious enough. The CPUID model/family bits are a real mess, though. < 1282997716 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Max CPUID level=10" probably refers to the value returned by function 0, which returns the vendor-ID ("GenuineIntel" if it's a core 2) and the largest supported standard cpuid function; 10 sounds a reasonable value there. < 1282997982 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably says "PentiumPro" because PPro is the first CPU to return family=6, which is what pentiums II, III, M, and Core/Core2/Core i7, and Atom, return too. (P4 returns family=15, for some unclear reason.) < 1282998005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can be separated from each other by the "model" number, but maybe it doesn't look at that. < 1282998030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1282998047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed it seems to not look at the model < 1282998422 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1282998437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh... I never seen System 7 boot in less than a second before. Ubuntu didn't compile the package with JIT support, but since they dropped it in lucid I had to compile it myself anyway, and thus enabled JIT. Even without JIT it boots way faster than any real mac that came with system 7. But with the JIT on and the "lazy invalidation" option it boots so fast I can only see a flicker after the happy mac s < 1282998437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creen. < 1282998446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even the happy mac one is unusually fast < 1282998520 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Intel® Processor Identification and the CPUID Instruction" application note has the CPUID family/model table, and it's about four pages with numerous footnotes, and that's only Intel's own chips. < 1282998570 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To differentiate between the Pentium III processor, model 7 and the Pentium III Xeon processor, model 7, software should check the cache descriptor values through executing CPUID instruction with EAX = 2. If 1M or 2M L2 cache size is reported, the processor is the Pentium III Xeon processor otherwise it is a Pentium III processor or a Pentium III Xeon processor with 512-KB L2 cache size." < 1282998601 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you said i7 returns family 6 too, but what about i5? < 1282998620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably that, too, but the table was dated 2009, and I don't think they had introduced i3/i5 at that time. < 1282998632 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1282998639 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what style are you on at the moment? < 1282998639 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tonight's enchantment night! all you like? oh, by the train. hoo-boy... all clear' function. < 1282998649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFVII, then. < 1282998669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you have some good ideas for new styles? < 1282998669 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this is my special gas chamber. take care of you to stop that stupid heidegger ever use it right now. < 1282998815 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I did have one, but I've forgotten it. < 1282998986 0 :kwertii!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: bye < 1282999359 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1282999388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1282999388 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7* fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1282999392 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes < 1282999587 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1282999856 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1283001733 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1283002231 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E36C8.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283002276 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1283002312 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283002554 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1283002555 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1283002555 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1283003000 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1283005370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm anyone has any experience with SDL here? < 1283005396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering how to make it not do X11 stuff async so I can get a meaningful backtrace for this X11 error... < 1283005494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you can make the X11 video-driver do that without any code changes. < 1283005507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you can do it for gtk stuff by just passing --sync iirc < 1283005515 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for something similar for sdl < 1283005528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes some SDL_VIDEO_X11_FOO environment-variable options, but there doesn't seem to be anything useful there. < 1283005570 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list is at http://sdl.beuc.net/sdl.wiki/SDL_envvars but it doesn't seem very useful. < 1283005666 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL_DEBUG has sometimes been useful for debugging, but probably not for a delayed X11 error. < 1283005734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange but I get different errors at different points < 1283005735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283005767 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this one is new... "Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.0." < 1283005797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how strange.... the backtrace winds through both SDL and gdk... < 1283005813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it supports both optionally so I guess this makes it even trickier < 1283005825 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283005835 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least this last one seems sensibly related to what I was doing at the time of the crash (moving mouse) < 1283005848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL_CreateCursor is in the backtrace < 1283005878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw it seems lucid has messed up the debugging symbol repos, missing for packages in lucid-updates < 1283005899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I have to downgrade to lucid for those packages to make the debugging symbols work... < 1283006977 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some completely inexplicable reason, I wrote myself a private pastebin, even though the improvements gained over something like sprunge.us are pretty minor. (Works as a tinyurl-style link-shortener, can handle non-text/plain stuff too, able to specify meaningful names for pastes, and update/delete existing ones.) < 1283007204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pretty much only works for only one user pasting < 1283007217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but like I said, it's private. < 1283007219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering the meaningful name bit < 1283007257 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a random kernel source file: http://p.zem.fi/test -- and through the highlighting eggine, http://p.zem.fi/test.c < 1283007264 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm it seems that SDL_DEBUG makes it do sync stuff more often, though not all the time < 1283007267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1283007275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes whatever it is, it is definitely cursor related < 1283007377 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef X11_DEBUG < 1283007377 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : XSynchronize(SDL_Display, True); < 1283007377 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1283007381 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SDL_X11video.c) < 1283007391 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a runtime option, of course. :p < 1283007621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1283007636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, could I fake that from the program source you think? < 1283007647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, do I have access to call it where needed < 1283007727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, yes, though you might need to do some very nonstandard fiddling to get the SDL_Display value. < 1283007752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah I see < 1283007813 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDL_Display is a macro for this->hidden->X11_Display, and 'this' is a SDL_VideoDevice * from somewhere. < 1283007849 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static int X11_VideoInit(_THIS, SDL_PixelFormat *vformat) < 1283007851 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that < 1283007859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_THIS ? < 1283007869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_THIS is "SDL_VideoDevice *this". < 1283007879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that the code inside can use "this->foo". < 1283007901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then I just need to step a few times and do call XSynchronize(whatever, 1) < 1283007901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1283007949 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, you can get the Display* from a public SDL function, too: SDL_GetWMInfo fills a SDL_SysWMinfo structure for you, and then you have (assuming SDL_SysWMInfo i) i.info.x11.display that's a Display*. < 1283008061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int (*XSynchronize(Display *display, Bool onoff))(); < 1283008062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283008070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look quite right < 1283008080 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there function pointer syntax there in it < 1283008089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) call XSynchronize(this->hidden->X11_Display, 1) < 1283008089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$8 = (int (*)(Display *)) 0 < 1283008093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks suspect too < 1283008105 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.251.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283008122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It returns a function. < 1283008126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1283008136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one set by XSetAfterFunction. < 1283008146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1283008153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it returned a NULL function pointer < 1283008173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that matters much. < 1283008183 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should still toggle the synchronization thing on. < 1283008206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah way more useful error < 1283008219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was cursor related still but not the same call < 1283008247 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, now to try to decode this: http://sprunge.us/gTJJ < 1283008249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1283008253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I'm actually getting used to freetype's rendering-sans-hinting. < 1283008269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually all usage of freetype is akin to getting used to something. < 1283008279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually a stupid thing. < 1283008301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tries to FreeCursor something that hasn't been Cursored, is my guess. < 1283008367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well... that's strange. I can't trace it back very far into the application due to JITing. Still hm... Actually that stack trace looks VERY strange < 1283008381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/EPKV < 1283008384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange even for JITing < 1283008440 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../SDL/video_sdl.cpp is in the app, I guess that is the best place to continue looking now < 1283008478 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw this things require at least -O1 to compile. Not sure why exactly but some JIT auto-code-poke tools seems to want -O1 or higher < 1283008486 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog, do you even do anything other than log? < 1283008523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also clogs. < 1283008543 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The pipes.) < 1283008570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err I wonder... I have no idea if it is allowed but I think it frees a cursor without hiding it first < 1283008571 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1283008627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that should be a crashy problem, but who knows. < 1283008664 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, other things making this fun to debug, this thing does more mad things with mmap than jitfunge (it requires being able to map at 0x0) and also more segv stuff than it. (sigsegv is somehow related to video refreshing... I haven't probed too much into that area) < 1283008760 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, if you want to try a trivial thing, try out "SDL_VIDEO_X11_DGAMOUSE=1 ./app"; it should use a bit different mouserying thing then. < 1283008779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is an app bug, still, but. < 1283008876 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1283008901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does DGAMOUSE do? < 1283008916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can it still set custom bitmaps for the cursor? < 1283008982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we doing here? < 1283009042 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it uses the DGA extension's mouse thing. Though I doubt it actually affects the cursor parts at all. < 1283009064 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal's setting up some sort of JIT'ing 68k emulator which keeps crashing, if I've understood right. < 1283009070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Introducing... Web Workers *BETA* / combining the sanity of threads with the robustness of web development / Smiling Cartoon Guy: What could possibly go wrong? / TODO: - Find out what could possibly go wrong" < 1283009124 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well no, ppc. I'm trying to get sheepshaver to work with SDL since SDL makes one of the programs I want to emulate work properly (as opposed to the plain X alternative) < 1283009169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the 68k was separate (though sheepshaver and basiliskII share quite a bit of code) < 1283009235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. Well, nevertheless. < 1283009250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SheepShaver is incredibly crashy. < 1283009318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:50:37 Well, are there small laptops roughly as light as netbooks? Are they as cheap? < 1283009320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes but there is no better alternative < 1283009330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an extremely light 13" laptop that i use for everything < 1283009336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cost a bit less than £500. < 1283009349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't sold any more. there's a new model out. it is probably just as good. < 1283009353 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheepshaver is the only classic mac PPC emulator I know of < 1283009378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:53:37 Any advantages to a netbook over a netbook-sized laptop? ;; a bit longer battery life, slightly smaller (but not really lighter in any real sense) < 1283009383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd always recommend the latter. < 1283009400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, does he log read? < 1283009412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not but i can ping him next time he's online < 1283009418 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283009436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:01:25 Mainly because it's the only proper X window manager on OS X, though. < 1283009440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can install ones, you know. < 1283009446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac-on-Linux works well (in my limited testing), but of course is not much of a help unless you have a PPC linux system handy. < 1283009458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:58:07 coppro, the test driver on a British motoring show. < 1283009464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top Gear is famous enough to reference by name. < 1283009513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:11:38 Ooh, I know the show; I think some Finnish channel shows it, and my wife's brothers watch it. We were visiting one day and saw this episode where they "revealed" his identity to be Schumacher. < 1283009516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is Top Gear. < 1283009624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so are you patching the program? < 1283009634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, please publish a tarball or a .patch < 1283009810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I couldn't be bothered to install WMs on OS X. < 1283009839 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once installed evilwm on OS X; what an absurd combination. < 1283009846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macports makes it quite easy. although the cool kids use homebrew these days < 1283009876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I remember my plight to get KDE 3 compiling with native OS X Qt. < 1283009876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(evilwm's in macports, too.) < 1283009881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God bless me for attempting that. < 1283009889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else already managed it; I never could, though. < 1283009899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole goal was running Amarok on OS X without that pesky X11 thing. < 1283009918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was before KDE 4 made it all officially supported and whatnot. < 1283010006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[David Sansome and John McGuire have been working on a project, which aims to port Amarok 1.4 to Qt4 and rewrite it to make full use of Qt4 features. The project has been christened as “clementine-player”.]] < 1283010007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet! < 1283010046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.clementine-player.org/screenshots/clementine-0.4-2.png Who would have thought that Amark would look native on Windows? < 1283010261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I will patch the program if I figure out how to fix it < 1283010275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first guess turned out to be wrong < 1283010287 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no I have no clue why it acts like this < 1283010438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the same issue happen with BasiliskII? < 1283010453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd try myself but I don't want to put in so much effort that still neglects System Software 6. < 1283010532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no it doesn't seem to use the same code path for the cursor handling < 1283010546 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue why that is < 1283010547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So BasiliskII works, then? < 1283010561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for this, it is quite easy to make it crash as well < 1283010576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not quite as easy as with sheepshaver < 1283010630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and atm I'm suspecting memory corruption, since everything seems to be done correctly as far as I can tell... And valgrind on sheepshaver would not work. < 1283010646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :valkyrie grind < 1283010709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, guess what VOSF stands for in the preprocessor define ENABLE_VOSF < 1283010716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[You can then try to compile the program with < 1283010716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cd src/Unix < 1283010717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ./autogen.sh < 1283010717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ make < 1283010717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : under Linux, or < 1283010717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cd src/BeOS < 1283010719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ make < 1283010721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : under BeOS.]] < 1283010725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Vandalise Open Source Foundation < 1283010733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Video On SegFault < 1283010751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homepage3.nifty.com/toshi3/emu/sheepshaver1.html why does this say sheepshaver for x86 < 1283010755 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no I have no idea what exactly it does but it sure scares me < 1283010760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1283010770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :videos your reaction and uploads it to youtube < 1283010775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sheepshaver works on linux/ppc too iirc < 1283010784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some random links < 1283010785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basilisk II < 1283010785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SheepShaver for x86 (日本語) --Sheepshaver home page < 1283010787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SheepShaver < 1283010792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just use the emaculation source < 1283010792 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, use the CVS version < 1283010794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the official one < 1283010798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, they are less buggy < 1283010799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by far < 1283010806 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, actually compiles < 1283010806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than the emaculation sources? < 1283010821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1283010838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I used cvs from http://www.cebix.net/ < 1283010841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, not sure if they've actually done any sourec work < 1283010855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm talking about http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheepshaver which is where most people get their sheepshaver fix < 1283010856 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, there are actually a few random recent commits < 1283010860 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like adding missing include < 1283010861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such < 1283010869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.emaculation.com/lib/exe/detail.php/sheep1.png?id=sheepshaver Graphing Calculator fuck yeah!!!!!!!!! < 1283010882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optional dependencies for clementine < 1283010883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : gstreamer0.10-base-plugins: for more open formats < 1283010883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : gstreamer0.10-good-plugins: still free < 1283010883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : gstreamer0.10-ugly-plugins: damn if you really need those < 1283010890 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clementine? < 1283010899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a port of Amarok 1.4 to Qt 4 < 1283010906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amarok 1.4 = Amarok before they ruined it with the stupid 2 interface < 1283010913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, also maintained and changed and stuff < 1283010916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are its origins < 1283010941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway sheepshaver runs as long as you use X11+esd instead of SDL for video and/or audio < 1283010945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.clementine-player.org/screenshots/clementine-0.4-1.png on Linux < 1283010947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.clementine-player.org/screenshots/clementine-0.4-2.png on Windows :P < 1283010956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: esd? seriously? < 1283010967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well yes from configure options it seems to use that < 1283010979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god CVS is so crazy < 1283010980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1283010990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it uses esd with OSS fallback < 1283010992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can I run MacOS X applications under Windows with this? < 1283010992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : No. Firstly, SheepShaver doesn't run under Windows. Secondly, MacOS X doesn't run under SheepShaver." < 1283010993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could explain it < 1283011005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^ // < 1283011010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed you need OS 8/9 for sheepshaver < 1283011017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a funny answer :P < 1283011020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283011041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually don't trust me on MacOS 8 working with it < 1283011043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried < 1283011048 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I don't own a copy of that < 1283011055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I do for OS 9) < 1283011061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1283011064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very important < 1283011071 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need 9.0.4, no later < 1283011088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later ones use those "blue tasks" which sheepshaver can't hande < 1283011090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handle* < 1283011097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google blue tasks if you want to find out details < 1283011104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were.... strange < 1283011142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about those versions < 1283011150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm? < 1283011164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System Software 6, System Software/Mac OS 7, Mac OS 8. < 1283011167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing else matters. < 1283011178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I don't know how well 8 works with sheepshaver < 1283011186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do you configure the build? < 1283011187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as I said, I don't own a copy of 8 < 1283011189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit some header file? < 1283011194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sheepshaver or basilisk? < 1283011199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheepshaver < 1283011222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System Software 6, while obviously the most usable and fastest release, does not really have much software support. < 1283011225 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/ tells you < 1283011235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not < 1283011238 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1283011239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only shows a stock compile process < 1283011240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep for autogen < 1283011248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283011250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1283011250 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah, autogen invokes configure < 1283011251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283011255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just pass it --help < 1283011258 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use normal configure < 1283011280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway you need a ROM image for this, which you can extract with basilisk from an update for PPC < 1283011280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try compiling it with clang >:) < 1283011287 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how I bootstrapped it :) < 1283011292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, or, I could pirate one < 1283011293 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the rom on my mac didn't work < 1283011294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one. < 1283011317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually gonna compile this with clang < 1283011320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh and basilisk cvs configure is currently broken < 1283011322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish me luck < 1283011327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you need to edit configure.ac < 1283011338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll only be doing sheepshaver for now < 1283011341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283011346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works somewhat out of box < 1283011354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just remember to not enable sdl < 1283011360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system7today.com is so fun :) < 1283011371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Foo? Yeah, System 7 can do that." < 1283011376 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, can sheepshaver run system 7? < 1283011382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283011392 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the ROM it needs is from OS 8 iirc < 1283011397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1283011413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can do it with basilisk < 1283011415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the older 7s < 1283011417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And for Basilisk I recommend the Performa ROM (it makes System 7 boot" < 1283011424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 Aug 2010 ... SheepShaver for Windows is best used with Mac OS 8.6 to 9.0.4, but check below for notes about running System 7. ... < 1283011428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1283011432 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you need a rom for basilisk yes < 1283011434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different one < 1283011459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, clang does not have an -On options? < 1283011463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*option < 1283011470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what? < 1283011476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O1, -O2, etc. < 1283011477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it does < 1283011478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to -O4 < 1283011480 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh no idea < 1283011488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang -pipe -O4 --analyze < 1283011496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's just a bug finder < 1283011499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just -pipe -O4 then < 1283011518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --enable-ppc-emulator use the selected PowerPC emulator default=auto < 1283011518 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah it's a bug finder! It would probably go spare at sheepshaver < 1283011519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1283011532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that is because it runs code natively on Linux/PPC < 1283011541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, don't use that flag < 1283011546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why would you use SDL instead of X11/esd? < 1283011547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will figure out you aren't on PPC < 1283011565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a make uninstall? < 1283011579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, until it crashes it makes one of the games I get nostalgic about work. the X11 one just gives a black screen in it < 1283011591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it crashes sooner or later with sdl even without running that game < 1283011601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@dinky Unix]$ CC=clang CFLAGS="-pipe -O4" ./autogen.sh < 1283011603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wiiiild < 1283011606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: in `/home/ehird/bii/SheepShaver/src/Unix': < 1283011607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables < 1283011609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not wiiiiild < 1283011610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, --prefix < 1283011613 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283011619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if it has make uninstall i don't need prefix :) < 1283011621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't know why it can't < 1283011641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang: error: 'x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu': unable to pass LLVM bit-code files to < 1283011641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linker < 1283011674 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well it installs 4 files or such iirc, the binary, a man page, a keymap (need to be customised!) and finally some tun-iface script example < 1283011675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283011676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O4 breaks < 1283011680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how utterly bizarre < 1283011685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-O3 works < 1283011702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does --with-dgcc default to $CC? < 1283011703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I suspect your chance of success is close to zero with clang < 1283011709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--with-dgcc ? < 1283011714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some configure option < 1283011718 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do < 1283011720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC_ARG_WITH(dgcc, [ --with-dgcc=COMPILER use C++ COMPILER to compi < 1283011721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :le synthetic opcodes], [DYNGEN_CC=$withval]) < 1283011743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USE_DYNGEN = @USE_DYNGEN@ < 1283011743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DYNGENSRCS = @DYNGENSRCS@ < 1283011743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DYNGEN_CC = @DYNGEN_CC@ < 1283011743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DYNGEN_CFLAGS = @DYNGEN_CFLAGS@ < 1283011745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh right, with gcc at least, you need at least -O1 in CFLAGS < 1283011747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283011754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise some compile time generation tool will segfault < 1283011763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@dinky Unix]$ CC=clang CFLAGS="-pipe -O3" ./autogen.sh < 1283011764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for lols < 1283011773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow configure is working < 1283011779 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot CXXFLAGS I think < 1283011779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unbelievable < 1283011785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is mixed C/C++ < 1283011791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1283011810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think it is possibly even more insane to use clang for the C++ code though < 1283011820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Configuration done. Now type "make". < 1283011834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cracks knuckles
< 1283011835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time for action. < 1283011841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-mdynamic-no-pic" < 1283011842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooo < 1283011848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++ -I../kpx_cpu/include < 1283011850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, sir, why < 1283011850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1283011851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1283011853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CC isn't CXX < 1283011854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1283011860 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure checks if -mdynamic-no-pic is supported < 1283011863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i set for C++ compiler? < 1283011868 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, CC and CXX are separate yeah < 1283011873 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ./configure --help < 1283011875 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to list vars < 1283011878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember to make distclean < 1283011880 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in between < 1283011886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it breaks otherwise... sometimes < 1283011888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does clang Just Work if you pass it a c++ file? < 1283011905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just work as in just break :P < 1283011910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it sucks at C++) < 1283011911 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I never tried < 1283011921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth a try < 1283011936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, do I look like a walking man-page/google/encyclopedia? < 1283011940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283011947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ais523 looks like that to you < 1283011952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i may as well return the favour < 1283011953 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283011957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283011961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/sh: clang^CFLAGS=-pipe: command not found < 1283011967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaat < 1283011967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@dinky Unix]$ CC=clang CXX=clang^CFLAGS="-pipe -O3" CXXFLAGS="-pipe -O3" ./autogen.sh < 1283011972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after copy-pasting from a line I ^C'd on < 1283011972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1283011973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1283011983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1283011988 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why did ^C insert a literal one though < 1283012007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's how my terminal displays it? < 1283012009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather my shell < 1283012014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1283012017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do it mid-line < 1283012022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1283012025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang is actually compiling this Vorpal < 1283012030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :../timer.cpp:342:32: warning: conversion specifies type 'unsigned long' but the < 1283012031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : argument has type 'uint32' (aka 'unsigned int') [-Wformat] < 1283012031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : printf("WARNING: InsTime(%08lx): Task re-inserted\n", tm); < 1283012031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ~~~~^ ~~ < 1283012037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I doubt doubt it will work for a few files < 1283012041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, some are pretty sane < 1283012044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigsegv.cpp:2585:30: error: use of undeclared identifier < 1283012044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'SIGSEGV_FAULT_HANDLER_ARGLIST' < 1283012044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static bool handle_badaccess(SIGSEGV_FAULT_HANDLER_ARGLIST_1) < 1283012050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigsegv.cpp:2490:41: note: instantiated from: < 1283012050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define SIGSEGV_FAULT_HANDLER_ARGLIST_1 SIGSEGV_FAULT_HANDLER_ARGLIST < 1283012054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell does that mean? < 1283012056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah you need a patch from the karmic package for that I think < 1283012060 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me pastebin it < 1283012061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: got a link? < 1283012062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1283012107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://sprunge.us/JGEf http://sprunge.us/KGZG < 1283012112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, probably need both < 1283012119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I applied before even trying to compile < 1283012136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, not the True case one < 1283012141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one is fixed in cvs < 1283012142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh -O4 is link-time optimisation < 1283012169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1283012174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :konqueror opens http://sprunge.us/KGZG syntax-highlighted as a diff < 1283012177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with code folding to the side < 1283012180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to kate < 1283012183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1283012194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes and? < 1283012202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it done that for ages < 1283012205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in 3.x < 1283012232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, impressive that it autodetected the former < 1283012233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*format < 1283012243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283012314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error on the same file fun fun < 1283012318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigsegv.cpp:2592:31: error: use of undeclared identifier < 1283012319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'SIGSEGV_FAULT_ADDRESS'; did you mean 'SIGSEGV_INVALID_ADDRESS'? < 1283012319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SI.addr = (sigsegv_address_t)SIGSEGV_FAULT_ADDRESS_FAST; < 1283012319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ < 1283012323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is from the video on segfault thing I bet < 1283012337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but yeah, what now < 1283012343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I didn't get that one < 1283012348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so no clue < 1283012366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define SIGSEGV_FAULT_ADDRESS sip->si_addr < 1283012368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are you sure you applied the patch properly? < 1283012368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's defined, so wut? < 1283012396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patch -p3 &5 < 1283012928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:9875: $? = 0 < 1283012928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:9875: ./conftest < 1283012930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:9875: $? = 0 < 1283012932 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:9893: result: yes < 1283012947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get same result for non-SDL build though < 1283012948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:9826: checking whether we can skip instruction in SIGSEGV handler < 1283012948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:9852: clang -o conftest -pipe -O3 conftest.cpp -lpthread -lm -l < 1283012949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SM -lICE -lX11 -lXext -lXxf86dga -lXxf86vm -lesd >&5 < 1283012953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[the same errors from the actual c file] < 1283012965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it errors there? < 1283012974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283012976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, try with gcc < 1283012981 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to see if that works < 1283012984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patch -p3 <(curl http://sprunge.us/JGEf) ;; skillz < 1283012989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think i may be able to fix the problem < 1283013033 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I don't need the patch it turned out. < 1283013036 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked < 1283013064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:9826: checking whether we can skip instruction in SIGSEGV handler < 1283013064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure:9852: clang -o conftest -pipe -O3 conftest.cpp -lpthread -lm -l < 1283013064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SM -lICE -lX11 -lXext -lXxf86dga -lXxf86vm -lesd >&5 < 1283013064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In file included from conftest.cpp:94: < 1283013064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./sigsegv.cpp:2592:31: error: use of undeclared identifier 'SIGSEGV_FAULT_ADDRES < 1283013065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S'; did you mean 'SIGSEGV_INVALID_ADDRESS'? < 1283013066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SI.addr = (sigsegv_address_t)SIGSEGV_FAULT_ADDRESS_FAST; < 1283013068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ < 1283013070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./sigsegv.cpp:2481:37: note: instantiated from: < 1283013072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define SIGSEGV_FAULT_ADDRESS_FAST SIGSEGV_FAULT_ADDRESS < 1283013074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ < 1283013076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigghhh < 1283013081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./sigsegv.cpp:2614:32: error: use of undeclared identifier 'SIGSEGV_REGISTER_FIL < 1283013082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E' < 1283013082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (SIGSEGV_SKIP_INSTRUCTION(SIGSEGV_REGISTER_FILE)) { < 1283013085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this too < 1283013087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1283013131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows < 1283013154 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, SIGSEGV_FAULT_ADDRESS is defined in the sigsegv.h file < 1283013164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1283013169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in an if < 1283013169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet < 1283013189 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes on __apple__ ??? < 1283013202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1283013206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: when you run configure < 1283013214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bad memory access recovery type .. : < 1283013215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this line < 1283013218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1283013511 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1283013514 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, will check < 1283013567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad memory access recovery type .. : siginfo < 1283013568 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^ < 1283013598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, btw you need to do this as root before you can run sheepshaver (once you managed to compile it): < 1283013611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr < 1283013615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is right < 1283013622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be able to mmap page 0 to run < 1283013635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok, so i need to install siginfo? < 1283013641 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't know. < 1283013645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can find no such package < 1283013655 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, try this with gcc < 1283013658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see if that works < 1283013667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a minute, sure < 1283013699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I will speak to you again after you either solved it or tried with gcc < 1283013787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ducks < 1283013851 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ducks is a different topic than sheepshaver, so okay, I can discuss that species of birds if you like. < 1283013857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I have much to add to it < 1283014028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fun fact: if you do a quick swap of lolcode's keywords with more conventional things, it becomes a regular programming language < 1283014040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1283014046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some strangeness; for instance, a conditional is "bool / if / then / ... / else / ... / endif" < 1283014052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, but in a much stronger sense than merely resemblance < 1283014055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, some notes that might help though: siginfo seems related to sigaction(), which afaik is POSIX and handled in libc < 1283014062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can literally imagine this being released as a real programming language < 1283014067 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would suspect clang is indeed the issue there < 1283014078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tmpServer == "OK" < 1283014078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if < 1283014078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : then < 1283014078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : plainText!!append srvr < 1283014085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta be a nicer keyword for if there, it seems really weird < 1283014098 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do if and then have to be separate keywords < 1283014106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : BOTH SAEM tmpServer AN "OK" < 1283014106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : O RLY? < 1283014106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : YA RLY < 1283014106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : plainText!!append WIF srvr < 1283014107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they can occur separated? < 1283014113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's how lolcode has it < 1283014122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :key phrases < 1283014123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps check / ifso are the closest to those < 1283014144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps check / iftrue / iffalse < 1283014147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh and check the result of the "whether your system supports extended signal handlers" test < 1283014153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is where it detects siginfo I think < 1283014165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether your system supports extended signal handlers... no < 1283014169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, says yes here < 1283014182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and as far as I know it is libc, not compiler implemented < 1283014197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so check config.log for details on that test < 1283014204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1122599.txt?key=0drwzd3rf6teud4qg8akuw ;; this is LOLCode, with a simple substitution < 1283014221 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java? < 1283014227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it uses java classes < 1283014230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1283014232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's run in "Java LOLCode" < 1283014244 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are all implementations using that? < 1283014245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementation-specific of course < 1283014247 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283014250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1283014256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lolcode impls are a bit wildly varying anyway < 1283014273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, apart from stdio iirc? < 1283014278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1283014279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a spec < 1283014282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if anyone follows it < 1283014285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin < 1283014287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use stdio < 1283014289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print "HAI WORLD!" < 1283014290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end < 1283014292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- hello world < 1283014301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what is the !! notation you used < 1283014309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's !! in the original < 1283014313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably java-lolcode specific < 1283014315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does it mean? < 1283014317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283014319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. in java < 1283014329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo!!bar xyz == foo.bar(xyz) < 1283014334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283014338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo!!bar WIF xyz in the original < 1283014398 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, your code is however an improvement compared to java for most part < 1283014401 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1283014407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lolcode.com/keywords/iz a more conventional if statement < 1283014409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah :P < 1283014428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The traditional if/then construct is a very simple construct operating on the implicit IT variable. In the base form, there are four keywords: O RLY?, YA RLY, NO WAI, and OIC. < 1283014430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, never mind < 1283014431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- 1.2 spec < 1283014440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY? branches to the block begun with YA RLY if IT can be cast to WIN, and branches to the NO WAI block if IT is FAIL. The code block introduced with YA RLY is implicitly closed when NO WAI is reached. The NO WAI block is closed with OIC. The general form is then as follows: < 1283014447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the !! notation I find is not very good but apart that, and some other small details, quite nice compared to java < 1283014463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOTH SAEM ANIMAL AN "CAT", O RLY? < 1283014463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : YA RLY, VISIBLE "J00 HAV A CAT" < 1283014463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : NO WAI, VISIBLE "J00 SUX" < 1283014463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OIC < 1283014464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that is valid < 1283014474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could say < 1283014478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tmpServer == "OK", check < 1283014479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : iftrue < 1283014479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : plainText!!append srvr < 1283014479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : plainText!!append " | OK\r\n" < 1283014479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283014495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOTH SAEM ANIMAL AN "CAT" < 1283014495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY? < 1283014495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : YA RLY, VISIBLE "J00 HAV A CAT" < 1283014495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : MEBBE BOTH SAEM ANIMAL AN "MAUS" < 1283014495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : VISIBLE "NOM NOM NOM. I EATED IT." < 1283014496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OIC < 1283014500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :animal == "CAT" < 1283014501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check < 1283014506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : iftrue, print "J00 HAV A CAT" < 1283014506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, any luck with sheepshaver? < 1283014513 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find lolcode utterly boring < 1283014516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ifelse animal == "MAUS" < 1283014520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print "NOM NOM NOM. I EATED IT." < 1283014522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endcheck < 1283014524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: of course it is < 1283014530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hilarious just how unesoteric it is < 1283014534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1283014538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've managed to produce something almost identical to a regular language < 1283014551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so did you try with gcc yet? < 1283014559 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, or even check that thing in config.log? < 1283014572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna try with gcc now < 1283014610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether your system supports extended signal handlers... yes < 1283014610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether we can skip instruction in SIGSEGV handler... yes < 1283014610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283014663 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, then I suggest you either check what the error is for clang in config.log, or just use gcc :P < 1283014673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clang is awesome < 1283014676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly doubt clang will manage the jit < 1283014696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RACIST < 1283014724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sure it is nice, but I'm not that interested in spending time on trying to port a most likely very GCC specific JIT to clang < 1283014731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah fine < 1283014739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, of course you can do it if you want < 1283014749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the error might be trivial to fix < 1283014754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it might be impossible < 1283014766 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not impossible < 1283014767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lolcode.com/specs/1.2 wow it's so formal < 1283014775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might need a huge rewrite < 1283014783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, any BNF? < 1283014792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but... < 1283014796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the language is terribly formal in it < 1283014800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for lolcode < 1283014830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All LOLCODE programs must be opened with the command HAI. HAI should then be followed with the current LOLCODE language version number (1.2, in this case). There is no current standard behavior for implementations to treat the version number, though. < 1283014836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so that's better translated as "lolcode N", not "begin N" < 1283014850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so did you look at config.log for clang? < 1283014854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1283014856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the same errors < 1283014864 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for that siginfo test? < 1283014866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SheepShaver compiles now anyhoo < 1283014870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to the other ones < 1283014878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Zap PRAM file" lol < 1283014895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, makes perfect sense to me, but where does it say that? < 1283014900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :menus < 1283014916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zapping PRAM is funny because it was incredibly common advice back in the day and almost always did nothing helpful < 1283014924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have a problem with--" "Zap your PRAM." < 1283014936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, okay so then you need a ROM, a install cd iso (or *.toast, iirc sheepshaver can use *.toast images) < 1283014945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those I can't help you with < 1283014949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD? seriously? for system 7? < 1283014971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I had a PPC performa with system 7.5 < 1283014976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it came with the system on a cd < 1283014985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 68k probably didn't < 1283014995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1283015001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The colon may also introduce more verbose escapes enclosed within some form of bracket. < 1283015001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::() resolves the hex number into the corresponding Unicode code point. < 1283015001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : :{} interpolates the current value of the enclosed variable, cast as a string. < 1283015001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : :[] resolves the in capital letters to the corresponding Unicode normative name. < 1283015033 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and anyway, getting hold of the rom takes a bit of work < 1283015108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that looks like it is designed for ease of parsing rather than ease of use < 1283015126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Operators that work on specific types implicitly cast parameter values of other types. If the value cannot be safely cast, then it results in an error. < 1283015126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : An expression's value may be explicitly cast with the binary MAEK operator. < 1283015126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAEK [A] < 1283015126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Where is one of TROOF, YARN, NUMBR, NUMBAR, or NOOB. This is only for local casting: only the resultant value is cast, not the underlying variable(s), if any. < 1283015129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is ridiculous < 1283015152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sdl compiles for me, how do i produce an error? < 1283015164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, by running it and then moving the mouse about < 1283015170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1283015173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of lack the files to do that < 1283015176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, right < 1283015213 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be back in a few minutes < 1283015451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this "the rom" that takes a bit of work? < 1283015515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mac rom thing < 1283015528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both 68k and ppc ones takes a bit of work to find < 1283015538 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A bit of work" they're right there at oldos.org. < 1283015551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the 68k you can trivially get the ppc one thanks to being able to extract it from an update < 1283015552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least the Quadra 650 ROM I used last time. < 1283015565 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, that works for basiliskII, not sheepshaver < 1283015568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't suppose anyone has a system 7 disc? < 1283015577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, I sold that performa years ago < 1283015616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, check macintoshgarden though < 1283015620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have lots of old software < 1283015623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or links to it < 1283015625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least < 1283015631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abandonware" hahahahaha < 1283015640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, quite a bit of it is, not all is though < 1283015645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, abandonware is bullshit < 1283015650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :legally meaningless < 1283015662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* I don't run it < 1283015664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this thing is old and not sold any more, therefore I can publish it for free" has never been true < 1283015675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? The instructions I adapted last time -- http://wiki.oldos.org/Mac/PPCEmulator -- set up SheepShaver (with OS 7.5.5) with that particular ROM. < 1283015770 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't tried this for a while, though. < 1283015781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.macintoshgarden.org/apps/macintosh-system-76-mac-os-76 < 1283015782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ho < 1283015787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temporarily unavailable due to high bandwidth costs < 1283015788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1283015808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes, check comments for alt downloads < 1283015814 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes that exists < 1283015822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temporarily unavailable due to high bandwidth costs < 1283015823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1283015826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temporarily unavailable due to high bandwidth costs < 1283015827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1283015831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Temporarily unavailable due to high bandwidth costs wtf < 1283015838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Copy Text" is grayed out in the menu how bizarre < 1283015840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are System 7, Mac OS 8 and 9 installs there (and a lot of good programs) < 1283015841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1283015845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'll try that link < 1283015895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I got 9 from a certain bay ages ago (due to my physical cd being damaged :/) < 1283015895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS 7.6 Install.sit < 1283015895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1283015920 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oooh this looks like a "open the box with the crowbar found inside" issue < 1283015921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1283015932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i can unpack sits on linux :P < 1283015939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: WARNING: Sorry, no suitable addressing mode in direct < 1283015939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: Sorry, the JIT Compiler requires Direct Addressing, at least < 1283015940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sniff < 1283015940 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, only old old sit < 1283015951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 7.6 < 1283015953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably is old old sit < 1283015959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, eh < 1283015963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that about direct < 1283015967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can unpack very *very* few sit files on Linux; the tools are horribel. < 1283015971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheepshaver requires "real" < 1283015981 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basiliskII requires "direct" or "real" < 1283015981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was trying to enable jit compiler in basilisk < 1283015987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, works for me < 1283015989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in it < 1283015997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the patch you need? < 1283016011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, none? < 1283016014 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well actually < 1283016020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I needed to fix configure.ac < 1283016026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: WARNING: Sorry, no suitable addressing mode in real < 1283016026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: Sorry, the JIT Compiler requires Direct Addressing, at least < 1283016027 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is broken < 1283016036 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, read the first 5 lines or so < 1283016043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will claim GCC doesn't support C89 < 1283016050 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that stdlib.h is broken < 1283016057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not here < 1283016057 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reality: configure.ac needs manual patching < 1283016066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1283016069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do i have to do < 1283016073 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1283016131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, right near the top of configure.ac, after the AC_CONFIG_HEADER line < 1283016133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add this line: < 1283016134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC_USE_SYSTEM_EXTENSIONS < 1283016146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1283016147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, then rerun autogen.sh < 1283016213 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that JIT can make OS 7 load so fast you only see a flicker for the extensions < 1283016223 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, on the other hand it breaks some old games I play in it < 1283016251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even without the JIT stuff is faster than any "real" System 7 system that I used < 1283016259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't use either addressing mode for me, so yeah < 1283016263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no JIT it is < 1283016278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how very strange... what distro? < 1283016285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch linux 64 < 1283016303 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283016311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, could be related. Not sure < 1283016319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy Language Idea: "employees.each { print employee.name }"; that is, the implicit argument name to closures passed to iterators is the singular of the collection name. < 1283016326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1283016328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people.each { print person.age } < 1283016347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addressing mode ........................ : direct < 1283016348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what how can that be < 1283016440 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283016466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i have jit enabled < 1283016526 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to attempt to endure Pidgin again
< 1283016535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wasn't quite ready < 1283016544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, alise had some stuff in the lo < 1283016545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :log* < 1283016548 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replies to what you said < 1283016553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt netbook/laptop < 1283016553 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1283016677 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1283016728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gwenolé Beauchesne is maintaining a version of Basilisk II with a dynamically recompiling 680x0 emulation. < 1283016729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coool < 1283016762 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :680x0? < 1283016798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that is the one you are using afaik? < 1283016826 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, or something based on it < 1283016854 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you might know it as 68k < 1283016893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the link in question is dead < 1283016897 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, BasiliskII's startup in JIT-mode is indeed the fast. < 1283016909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, even more so with these settings: < 1283016928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile FPU < 1283016934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache: 16384 < 1283016941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enable lazy invalidation < 1283016954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that is the fastest one, the "constant jump" one slowed it down for me < 1283016956 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile FPU and lazy invalidation were (at least here) checked by default; cache was 8192, though. < 1283016966 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm, they were unchecked here < 1283016988 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, however it breaks on some old apps < 1283017013 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it starts faster than any real mac ever did even without JIT, so not really an issue < 1283017030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like 2 seconds with jit disabled < 1283017040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fraction of a second with it enabled < 1283017210 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1283017593 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1283018093 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283018104 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1283018107 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B21658F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283018110 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1283018129 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1283018234 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back from eating < 1283018244 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, any luck with getting stuff running? < 1283018385 0 :relet!~thomas@c905DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1283018440 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings quadra650.rom, selected snippets: < 1283018442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Life Is Good < 1283018442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Life Is Good < 1283018442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Life Is Good < 1283018443 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1283018589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inspired by the topic, I dug out the original iBook installation discs and dumped "Classic Support" in again. < 1283018643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS 9.2, and all kinds of useful things, like Netscape Communicator, and IE 5.0. < 1283018702 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283018711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1283018722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, IE 5 was quite good, for it's time < 1283018735 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B21658F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283018744 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far better than IE6 even < 1283018815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a "Mac OS ROM" image in it too, but I don't suppose it works in SheepShaver. (Still, nice that it starts with some Forth code.) < 1283018834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? huh < 1283018840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, then I think it might < 1283018850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like openfirmware stuff < 1283018862 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it starts with , and there's a made of Forth. < 1283018891 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *looks* like a newworld ROM, but SheepShaver said "segfault" when I told it to use it. Of course it might've segfaulted on something completely difererent. < 1283018921 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should attempt to learn Forth < 1283018933 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how many languages he knows, and how many he's forgotten
< 1283018947 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, the forgotten list arguably includes Perl and COBOL < 1283018958 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I still remember some bits of COBOL < 1283019096 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/grkg -- weird place to crash, on the opening { of SCSIInit. It seems as if something has overwritten the function with zeroes. < 1283019117 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283019182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hahaha < 1283019187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it hasn't crashed < 1283019204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, same way that jitfunge getting sigsegv didn't crash :P < 1283019212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, to run it under gdb you need: < 1283019220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handle SIGSEGV nostop noprint < 1283019220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handle SIG40 nostop noprint < 1283019220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handle SIG41 nostop noprint < 1283019221 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those < 1283019280 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm'k; but it does crash in the sense that the process dies with segfault. < 1283019365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, thats strange < 1283019372 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what ROM are you using? < 1283019378 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the same as for basilisk I hope? < 1283019388 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ERROR: Unsupported ROM type." -- aw. (Disabled the JIT thing.) < 1283019410 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well if you have basilisk working you can trivially get one for sheepshaver < 1283019412 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was just trying out that iBook "Classic support" ROM. I didn't really expect it'd work. < 1283019425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1283019444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, by getting 68k tomeviewer (available for free from various places) + one update from apple < 1283019452 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then extract the rom from that update < 1283019454 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, I saw that in the interwebs somewhere. < 1283019456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google for details < 1283019474 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the deal with the addressing modes, by the way? With --enable-addressing=direct it dies to the segfault; without, it gives that "Unsupported ROM type" message. < 1283019569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, um I don't know about that < 1283019584 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but it needs to be = real for sheepshaver < 1283019608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for = real to work you need to do that "allow mmap of page 0" thing I mentioned above < 1283019620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I noticed that. < 1283019630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ppc without jit is unusably slow < 1283019633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on a core 2 duo < 1283019641 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is for OS 9 < 1283019644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried 7 < 1283019676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For PPC System pre-8.5 I'd need an oldworld rom, anyway. < 1283019683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283019692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't have that. What I have is the "update from apple" one < 1283019956 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. "The document "TomeViewer 1.3d3" could not be opened, because the application program that created it could not be found. Could not find a translation extension with appropriate translators." (And this was supposed to be a 68k version especially for the rom-extraction with Basilisk II.) < 1283019994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, um... < 1283020003 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1283020013 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, file damaged? < 1283020028 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you unpack it in a way as to preserve the resource fork? < 1283020051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a ppc executable that is valid won't give you that error on 68k < 1283020072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be. It was a .sit, extracted it with the Stuffit Expander 5.5 that I have inside BasiliskII, and it didn't complain. (Not that I know if there's any checksums in .sit files.) < 1283020096 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm... do you have disk copy in there? < 1283020106 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so I could send you a *.img.hqx < 1283020159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sit alone won't do it < 1283020172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, iirc you need to *.bin or *.hqx it < 1283020176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it safe to transfer < 1283020205 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, it's just that I only see it as plain .sit file. I would think StuffIt would complain if the .sit isn't whole, but who knoes. < 1283020227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so. do you have disk copy or not? < 1283020261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but using it sounds like giving up; I'm going to extract that thing out of the .sit no matter what. :p < 1283020268 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1283020566 0 :Atomix!~Atomix@87.110.73.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283020578 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1283020582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1283020610 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw channel on the list, I wondered - what are you discussing here? < 1283020671 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix, esoteric programming languages < 1283020705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as brainf*ck, INTERCAL, befunge and so on. see also our wiki at esolangs.org/wiki < 1283020711 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@173-123-81-177.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283020721 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the purpose of these languages? < 1283020721 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix, do you know what a programming language is? It's a language that humans can write and read (usually) that contain instructions for computers < 1283020730 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know javascript < 1283020733 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An esoteric programming language is one that's not intended for mainstream use < 1283020733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix, fun and recreation I guess < 1283020738 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have made several applications < 1283020743 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe to see if some weird thing can be done < 1283020753 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what? < 1283020753 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one language deliberately made to be difficult to write in < 1283020754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway if you want that file it will be at http://mewtwo.sporksirc.net/~anmaster/tmp/TomeViewer.img.hqx until tomorrow < 1283020776 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, one? malbolge? intercal? < 1283020784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of Malbolge < 1283020786 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Craziest things ever. I added a bit more memory (8 → 64) to the BasiliskII (so that it can run iCab -- was thinking of maybe downloading it directly there), and for some reason now extracting tomeviewer.sit worked. Or at least the file now has a proper icon. < 1283020806 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm not *that* surprised in fact. < 1283020818 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can you give me some nice example where you have used esolang ? < 1283020820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is some strangeness with downloading non-hqxed dual fork files < 1283020821 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a link or smt < 1283020833 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix, sane people don't use esolangs for productive products < 1283020841 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just for fun < 1283020848 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what i mean < 1283020851 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, will remove that file I uploaded then < 1283020853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, but this was the very same .sit file I extracted; I didn't download it with iCab. The only thing I changed was the memory. < 1283020861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix, the bot fungot in here is coded in one < 1283020862 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: all right? < 1283020863 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1283020864 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1283020902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why so little ram for it? I have like 512 MB assigned to it iirc < 1283020931 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1283020945 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNIF? < 1283020946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trQ\WATESYCFIUBHNOJPMK'L < 1283020946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]O#KJI'HU;PYGTIRESZYWAT\RSTyezrtivugphojk < 1283020948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283020952 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.251.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283020958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, FING yes, what about it < 1283020967 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't have my old config file in ~, so it had defaulted to 8M. < 1283020973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1283020974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I assume it's a ... thingy of some sort < 1283020978 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingerprint < 1283020984 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thingamabober < 1283021002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FING, SOCK and FILE are all fingerprints < 1283021008 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same goes for whatever other ones it uses) < 1283021024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, FING is however for reassigning the assignment of letters for fingerprints < 1283021032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that you move an instruction from C to S or whatever < 1283021042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, useful when multiple fingerprints collide < 1283021042 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1283021044 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I took a look at the source you gave me - ive never seen any esolangs before. So what is the whole purpose of creating these languages, where does the fun come in? < 1283021105 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, the tomeviewer-extracted rom worked; don't have an operating system handy, though. IIRC they did something to the OS 9.2 included in OS X's "classic support" so that it couldn't be run on "real" (or emulated) macs, only within OS X's Classic. Will have to wonder about that later. < 1283021106 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix, I guess that is hard to explain if you don't get it. Some people (like we) just find inventing, coding in or implementing such languages fun < 1283021123 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sauna-time now.) < 1283021127 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why < 1283021127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix, why does someone who find skiing fun find it fun < 1283021134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the answer < 1283021151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Craziest things ever. I added a bit more memory (8 → 64) to the BasiliskII (so that it can run iCab -- was thinking of maybe downloading it directly there), and for some reason now extracting tomeviewer.sit worked. Or at least the file now has a proper icon. ;; icab yay! < 1283021174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, isn't icab shareware? I seem to remember it refused to run after x days < 1283021180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: twungot? < 1283021198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's free now at least i think < 1283021209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, twitter fungot < 1283021209 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the president of shinra soldiers around here. better get some tea! < 1283021214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're rewriting it in forth? XD < 1283021215 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally, I don't particularly enjoy coding in esolangs, but do enjoy thinking about them, and if I ever get the courage, maybe making one at some point < 1283021226 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what? < 1283021231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was talking to fizzie < 1283021240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what's that /sys thing i need to echo again? < 1283021242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes but where did he say he was doing that < 1283021245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it required for basilisk ii? < 1283021247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: his git repo < 1283021260 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/mmap < 1283021263 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where tab is literal one < 1283021265 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B21658F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283021268 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is just one completion < 1283021275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't remember the exact name < 1283021275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does basilisk II need it or just SS? < 1283021282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, SS < 1283021284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, twitter fungot. < 1283021285 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: an' for marlene......! < 1283021291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, or basiliskII in *real* addressing mode < 1283021295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to direct < 1283021298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's in real. Not sure. < 1283021304 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well try it < 1283021311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it won't boot if it needs it < 1283021316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1283021321 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the meaning of life? < 1283021330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix: not 42, that's the answer to life, the universe and everything < 1283021332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the meaning of life < 1283021336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix, no idea, but if you generalise that question it is 42 < 1283021342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh snap < 1283021343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh goody, you can specify options on the command line < 1283021346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a config file < 1283021352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't appear to be able to save config from the GUI though < 1283021354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, config file is better probably < 1283021354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just from CLI < 1283021357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um < 1283021361 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can config from gui < 1283021364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283021366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't persist < 1283021368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sure you have gtk -dev packages installed? < 1283021371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, whaat? < 1283021371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to do: < 1283021373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --config FILE < 1283021373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : read/write configuration from/to FILE < 1283021375 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats not correct, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life < 1283021375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh it needs to start < 1283021377 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before < 1283021379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix: no it isn't < 1283021381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the books < 1283021384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh. < 1283021386 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is the ultimate question of life? < 1283021386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, if you close it right away it won't persist iirc < 1283021390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: where does it save? < 1283021397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, somewhere in ~ < 1283021400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't check right now < 1283021410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix: Mu; the question is "what is the question [that is answered by the answer to life, the universe, and everything]?" < 1283021429 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN YOU MULTIPLY SIX BY NINE < 1283021436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Wrong. < 1283021438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1283021442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/.basilisk_ii_prefs is what it created here. < 1283021448 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he aint wrong, but anyone can read that on wiki < 1283021451 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im asking your opinion < 1283021456 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if there was a "multiply" in there < 1283021459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arthur is not one of the Earth natives, so although he contains part of its program, he cannot execute it perfectly. < 1283021473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is most likely "What do you get when you multiply six by seven?". < 1283021491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course the literal interpretation is played out in the book. < 1283021497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the universe ends and is replaced by something even stranger* < 1283021506 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or has happened already < 1283021515 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you are missing my point < 1283021516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't mean it can't happen twice. < 1283021526 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I aint talking about the book, as i said < 1283021528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix: If you're actually asking what I think the meaning of life is, I think it has no meaning. < 1283021529 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im asking your opinion < 1283021535 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1283021540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "meaning of life?" < 1283021544 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283021549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it's "worth" doing some things, but that's not because of any inherent meaning to life. < 1283021555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just sort of happens. < 1283021562 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens? < 1283021567 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is an extrinsically assigned meaning. If we want a meaning of life, we have to make a meaning ourselves < 1283021569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. Time. < 1283021581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the universe ends up changing. Some life is involved in all that big mix-up. < 1283021586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing particular. < 1283021592 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are saying we have to make our brains think that there is a purpose to life, even though in reality there isnt one? < 1283021608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with that. < 1283021615 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't sure how religious stuff entered this discussion
< 1283021618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we have the power to decide what meaning our own life has, as it is our own. < 1283021634 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't )have_ to make our brains think there is a purpose to life, unless we want a purpose to life < 1283021643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life, itself, I think we must accept has no meaning. But I don't think that's a negative thing; that's a very human-centric view of things, that having no inherent meaning is a bad thing. < 1283021644 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats the same as convicing ourselves of somekind of purpose < 1283021650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Not really. < 1283021657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's merely deciding a subjective set of values which we strive for. < 1283021665 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1283021682 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happens when you run of those values? < 1283021686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1283021693 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you commit suicide? < 1283021696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : so what happens when you run of those values? < 1283021701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please restate this in a comprehensible manner. < 1283021704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you are trying to say. < 1283021712 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Atomix is asking what happens when you complete your self-assigned purpose < 1283021726 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you stated yourself, that we decide on a subjective set of values to strive for < 1283021731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1283021732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1283021737 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I asked < 1283021742 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when you run out of them < 1283021745 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Choose another purpose? Choose a purpose that won't run out? Live without a purpose other than having fun? < 1283021748 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you have no more values < 1283021752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix: Meaningless question. < 1283021758 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one might think so < 1283021765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An example set of values may be utilitarianism: maximise the happiness of all sentient beings. < 1283021770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no way to "run out" of utilitarianism. < 1283021778 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the values 3, 7 and 12. < 1283021782 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used all of them. < 1283021784 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now out of values. < 1283021805 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the theory is missing its purpose - sooner or later one will ask himself/herself why to do such a thing? (as you said, maximise the happiness of all sentient beings) < 1283021807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix: but really I think this is sort of a philosophical tar pit < 1283021820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're trying to give meanings to questions that we've decided have no meaning just because we feel a need to answer them < 1283021826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pointless. < 1283021836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix: Why? Because it's arbitrary. < 1283021846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it cannot be justified in the end, just like axioms in a logical system can't be justified. < 1283021860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think you can reject "kill everyone" for the same reasons you can reject "A and not A". < 1283021890 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That assumes that there's some objective way to order values < 1283021900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing I said does. < 1283021922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/System_7.5_Version_7.5.3/ ;; anyone know how to change these into one disk image? < 1283021929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i not bother? < 1283021931 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what is that YOU strive for in your life? < 1283021950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atomix: An arbitrary, hodge-podge set of basically inconsistent values. Like all humans. < 1283021970 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be more specific < 1283021974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mess around, I occasionally do productive stuff, I try to be nice to people who are nice and not stupid... < 1283021982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't consciously analyse my every action. < 1283021987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do, you probably need to relax a bit. < 1283022067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where's the ROM on oldos? < 1283022108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1283022115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1283022136 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random H2G2 thought: < 1283022144 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1283022162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The psychiatrists obviously knew the truth about Earth; that's why they destroyed it. < 1283022181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then surely they would have known about the Golgafrinchian contamination? < 1283022185 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could swear I've seen that hypothesis somewh.. oh < 1283022220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempting to find consistency in H2G2: one of the most laughable activities in the galaxy. < 1283022224 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's memory comes back to him
< 1283022235 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but this is #esoteric! < 1283022240 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No task is too laughable! < 1283022254 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can solve the halting problem! < 1283022288 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1283022298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, YES WE CAN! < 1283022324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you can just dd some zeroes to a file and use that as the disk, right? < 1283022329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and let the installer format it < 1283022368 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION once tried to disprove God by wondering if Chaitin's constant was not just uncomputable, but unknowable
< 1283022404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't disprove god < 1283022407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's stupid to try < 1283022417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's not unknowable i don't think < 1283022421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have computed the first digits for some languages < 1283022432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the BB function is uncomputable < 1283022435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can work it out manually < 1283022451 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a bit of a mistaken idea regarding turing machines and interactions with input < 1283022484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance the first four bits of the halting probability of either binary lambda calculus or binary combinator logic (I forget which) are .0001 < 1283022504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, BB function? < 1283022509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the probability that a random program in those halts is >= 0.0625 < 1283022513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: busy beaver < 1283022600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caught SIGSEGV at address 0x7fac25b6a708 [IP=0x7fac284109e3] < 1283022640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fun < 1283022745 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION earpains
< 1283022863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, at a written segfault? < 1283022863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1283022868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your ears are weird. < 1283023132 0 :Killerkid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1283023180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing = string | list of (thing | (string, thing)) < 1283023223 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks too much like OCaml except for the "of" < 1283023231 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The halting problem is at \Delta^0_2 in the arithmetical hierarchy. < 1283023233 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait, is "of" part of OCaml types? < 1283023241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...What's in the higher numbers? < 1283023252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Death and pain. < 1283023268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things Man Was Not Meant To Know. < 1283023316 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Igors didn't believe in Things Man Was Not Meant To Know < 1283023342 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Igor firmly believed that there were some things a man was not meant to know, such as what it felt like to have every ... < 1283023345 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the rest < 1283023380 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, someone's quoted that at me before. < 1283023391 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've read it too, naturally) < 1283023412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was after the Life self-replicator was built. < 1283023451 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Life self-replicator? < 1283023455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(j/k, I remember) < 1283023519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders what alise thinks of Linux Mint
< 1283023524 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283023536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "pointless", basically < 1283023538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1283023549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, wasn't that stupidised Ubuntu? < 1283023564 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A description I never thought I would type.. < 1283023582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can this startup disk not have disk copy? sheesh < 1283023590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know of any tools to process hfv on linux :) < 1283023686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi alise < 1283023702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1283023717 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how does Feather's OO bits work? < 1283023723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1283023730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Quite well. < 1283023734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, qusetion deflected < 1283023737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*question < 1283023738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I haven't decided yet < 1283023739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you owe me one, ais523 < 1283023744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague idea, but it keeps changing < 1283023747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: heh < 1283023750 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, futile. < 1283023766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually, Phantom_Hoover will figure out that it's pointless to ask people questions they don't know the answer to < 1283023770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either you'll get "I don't know", or a lie < 1283023774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way the answer is useless < 1283023786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: preliminary KDE 4.5 review: ok, so I could use it, but why would I want to when I can just use GNOME instead? < 1283023793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I'm trying to work out which bits you don't know. < 1283023794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason not to < 1283023797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ah, OK < 1283023807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not completely broken like it used to be, then? < 1283023822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed so < 1283023831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember I used 4.1 for a while because there was something really wrong with GNOME then, but I can't remember what it is < 1283023831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the little complexities it loves to have make some stuff quite annoying < 1283023842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what it was < 1283023844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas GNOME's more conservative attitude helps here < 1283023867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Internet seems to have more people who hate Gnome than who hate KDE, for some reason < 1283023884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's polarising. it used to be a bit more opinionated than it is now, i think. < 1283023899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, more non-control freaks are using linux now < 1283023899 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, Esolang spam is getting weirder and weirder < 1283023906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas you basically had to be a control freak to get it to work in the past < 1283023909 0 :Killerkid!~l1am9111@host86-176-106-177.range86-176.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283023911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a spambot went and pasted in a dictionary definition of "trustworthy" < 1283023914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1283023920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spammers: very trustworthy. < 1283023931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on two different pages, both of which were spambot names < 1283023946 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the summary was "Test post" < 1283023970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION modifies a JFS filesystem from Macintosh System Software 7.5.5
< 1283023982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it doesn't try and create any resource forks. < 1283023987 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can you salt things? < 1283023996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, and I do occasionally < 1283024015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not worth it unless they're under heavy spambot attack, normally spambots attack a page once then move on < 1283024016 0 :Atomix!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1283024029 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I more commonly semisalt (which allows registered users to make a page, but bars anons) < 1283024050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs StuffIt Expander onto a Unix filesystem
< 1283024055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will surely work < 1283024110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@dinky StuffIt Expander� 5.5]$ ls < 1283024110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Icon? Read Us First! StuffIt Expander? < 1283024141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I have 354 log actions on Esolang < 1283024181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the log again? bans etc.? < 1283024200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deletions, bans, pagemoves < 1283024214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and something else important I'm forgetting < 1283024215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, protections < 1283024226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@dinky mac]$ dd if=/dev/zero of=disk.hfv bs=1 count=104857600 < 1283024231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling this could go quicker < 1283024238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bs=1"? < 1283024252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a reason to do it one byte at a time? < 1283024264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i'm too lazy to divide the count < 1283024267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why is dd's syntax unlike every other program on Unix? < 1283024269 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1283024273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it predates unix < 1283024274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Vorpal < 1283024279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ah, that makes sense < 1283024296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is most likely inspired from DD found in IBM JCL, and the command's syntax is meant to be reminiscent of this" < 1283024311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc on plan 9 dd has a unixy syntax :P < 1283024383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ehird@dinky mac]$ dd if=/dev/zero of=disk.hfv bs=8192 count=12800 < 1283024383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12800+0 records in < 1283024384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12800+0 records out < 1283024384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 0.225616 s, 465 MB/s < 1283024386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's better. < 1283024400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"105 MB" < 1283024414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you're going to use metric megabytes, you're rounding upwards, dd < 1283024422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dishonest of oyu < 1283024429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you < 1283024439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suppose metric megabytes /are/ standard for hard drives... < 1283024441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system 7.6 is mine! mwahahaha < 1283024461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god for illegal downloads, eh. < 1283024463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1283024475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mac os 7.6 install folder ftw < 1283024506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To duplicate a disk partition as a disk image file on a remote machine over a secure ssh connection: < 1283024506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dd if=/dev/sdb2 | ssh user@host "dd of=/home/user/partition.image" < 1283024508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless use of dd award < 1283024514 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: At least de facto standard. < 1283024527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the right standard too, really < 1283024529 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283024540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary only makes sense for SSDs where it's actually based on powers of two < 1283024544 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1283024545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decimal is consistent with the rest of the world < 1283024560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest of the world sucks. < 1283024563 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw the rest of the world. < 1283024595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/2Rana.png < 1283024599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS 7.6 installer. Discus. < 1283024601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I like the whole MiB syntax even though everyone else seems ot hate it < 1283024603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to hate it < 1283024609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or javelin? < 1283024610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should generalise to non-computer units too, though < 1283024612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like it. < 1283024620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: although KiB is wrong; it should be kiB, for SI-consistency. < 1283024631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, probably < 1283024635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, http://i.imgur.com/2Rana.png has antialiased text < 1283024635 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits alise with a frisbee
< 1283024638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a first for the Mac OS? < 1283024638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we should use kim for distances < 1283024649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: is it /good/ antialiasing < 1283024662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose a new, AMERICAN unit of measuring data! < 1283024663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Uhh, it probably looked good on the CRTs of the time. i.imgur.com/2Rana.png < 1283024671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The font isn't exactly the best on-screen one, anyway. < 1283024681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too tall and thin, with subtle serifs. < 1283024687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially not at /those/ resolutions. < 1283024699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, the actual antialiasing is acceptable. < 1283024734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please insert the disk: Mac OS 7.6". < 1283024734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1283024742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disk Copy time! < 1283024767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lib. There shall be 9 bits to the lib. And 36 libs to the bok. From there, well. Who needs more than a few boks anyways? < 1283024770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Markdown's equivalent to MediaWiki's : < 1283024800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what does that do? < 1283024804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blockquote? < 1283024814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :

tag, but it's normally used for indenting generally < 1283024823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a blockquote is < 1283024823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foo < 1283024824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> bar < 1283024825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> baz < 1283024830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that should probably work < 1283024834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :email-style < 1283025049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't, really < 1283025053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not on gitorious < 1283025056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just won't indent < 1283025071 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, IIRC logs also record patrolling, although the MediaWiki used might be too old for that. < 1283025106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's new enough but has patrolling turned off < 1283025127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only really useful on wikis so large that one person can't check all edits/pages themself < 1283025138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas on Esolang, multiple people check each edit < 1283025143 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283025292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1283025295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i make this owrk < 1283025295 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perl is a general purpose language. It's also known to be the only widespread use obfuscated language." < 1283025297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*work < 1283025305 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@j-183.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1283025496 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. < 1283025557 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROGRAM-ID. SGEOLOVESCOBOL. < 1283025624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow, I'm actually installing Gnash < 1283025648 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Gnash suck, or something? < 1283025652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1283025656 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to put drops in my ears < 1283025916 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If you're making a zero-image with dd, it's worth a thought to "dd if=/dev/zero of=disk.hfv bs=1 count=0 seek=104857600", to make a sparse file. For a 100-meg image it probaly doesn't much matter, though. < 1283025938 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're you trying to do? < 1283025985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last resort since i can't get youtube working < 1283025987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UTZTPCj7xI < 1283025998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what actions are taken in this video to install 7.6.1? :P < 1283026105 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1283026138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrrm, that's a six-minute video to summarize. < 1283026168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of it is the actual installation < 1283026171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*installation. < 1283026185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only care about what I have to click to get the installer to not say "Insert the 7.6 disk, foo" when I run it from another disk. < 1283026347 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, uh... it starts with "Apple Macintosh CD" on the desktop, then it auto-initializes the HD (I think the system will automatically ask it when your .hfv file is just zeros), after that it just runs the "Install Mac^{TM} OS" thing in the middle of "Apple Macintosh CD". < 1283026444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1283026460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So it doesn't run "Installer"? < 1283026478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see an "Installer" there. < 1283026495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they must have copied the disk images to a disk somehow. But how?! Disk Copy says the .image files are invalid... < 1283026532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, what IS an .image? < 1283026535 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/ltr0 -- that's him starting the thing. < 1283026539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to be dd'd? < 1283026585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.5.5 is the only thing I've installed in BasiliskII, so don't know about 7.6's steps. < 1283026598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Install 1\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\200\20 < 1283026601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is how Install 1.image starts. < 1283026646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1283026651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're virtual disk image things < 1283026828 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@108.100.162.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283026875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1283026877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're separate disks :D < 1283026878 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are you installing an old version of Mac OS? < 1283026935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283026943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yeah 19 mounted disks < 1283026947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u no im hardcore < 1283027006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To what end‽ < 1283027054 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the cool kids are doing it! I just installed OS 9.2 on the iBook. (If you can call installing OS X's "classic support" with the software recovery thing, that.) < 1283027068 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: Uhh, it probably looked good on the CRTs of the time. i.imgur.com/2Rana.png <-- looks pre-rendered compared to the button below < 1283027076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is < 1283027124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that old Mac OS has a limit to the number of mounted disks at one time < 1283027124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1283027127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or basilisk ii does < 1283027131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, OS 9 (probably 8 too?) had quite nice grayscale antialias < 1283027134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greyscale* < 1283027143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was new in 9 < 1283027147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1283027156 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that is a good reason to prefer 9 over 8 then < 1283027179 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, btw why were you asking me about sheepshaver? weren't you playing around with it this spring? < 1283027189 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that OS 9 on real mac? < 1283027207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had os 8 or 9 on a real mac (I forget which) recently, yes < 1283027213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried sheepshaver a long while ago < 1283027219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently = a year ago or so < 1283027227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: gahh this sucks so much < 1283027231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limited mounted things < 1283027257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1283027258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1283027259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1283027324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vMac made this a lot easier ... < 1283027327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could swap disks at runtime < 1283027764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, again, to what end? < 1283027789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he says, in #esoteric < 1283027811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just for the lulz? < 1283027813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1283027903 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr < 1283027911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Website requires cpalead.com to be fully functional < 1283027913 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrrrr < 1283028032 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I loathe explorer < 1283028261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS 7.6.toast 250 Mb < 1283028264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toast? Seriously?! < 1283028306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what it runs on. < 1283028336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1283028339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1283028339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1283028350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roxio toast is just a silly old mac burner < 1283028354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless file format for me though < 1283028359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need an .iso i think, not sure < 1283028412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Details for file extension: TOAST - Toast CD Image File (Sonic Solutions) - Toast 6 runs on Mac OS X only. This is basically an .ISO file. < 1283028413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1283028431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: question: is /dev/cdrom the same format as an .iso? < 1283028438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, can I supply a foo.iso where ordinarily I would pass /dev/cdrom? < 1283028459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. < 1283028462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1283028599 0 :alise_!~alise@91.104.244.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283028781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1283028938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking hell... A quarter of high school students drop out of high school in the US. < 1283028946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*High school*. < 1283029024 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to high school students dropping out of middle school < 1283029045 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a quarter of those who don't drop out pass in spite of being high in school. < 1283029060 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: The thing is, even a complete idiot can graduate from a US high school. < 1283029093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a B average through high school and I did hardly *anything* for much of it. < 1283029209 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@80-123-47-162.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1283029234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that may just be a sign of genius. < 1283029303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Correctly answering multiple choice questions is hardly a "sign of genius". < 1283029440 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1283029446 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffff < 1283029454 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you unpack a .sit_.bin in mac os >_> < 1283029470 0 :kitabuki!~kitabuki@217.66.22.81 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283029472 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, like that < 1283029475 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kitabuki < 1283029544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: vMac made this a lot easier ... < 1283029544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could swap disks at runtime <-- hm < 1283029565 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I think you can have several with basilisk and such < 1283029570 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's limited < 1283029577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, anyway I managed to install it from a set of floppies from apple < 1283029579 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure < 1283029588 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, i have a set of floppies (19 + one installer) < 1283029596 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately when i mount them all, my installation disk is not mounted. < 1283029612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I think I put the floppy images on a hfs partition then mounted them with disk copy? < 1283029627 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahaha, unfortunately disk copy doesn't want to mount these. < 1283029631 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says they're BAD AND WRONG AND EVIL < 1283029634 0 :kitabuki!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1283029692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, mine were *.img I think < 1283029708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I used 7.5.5 thingy from apple < 1283029716 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, not from macintoshgarden < 1283029720 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[SwedeBear I download the file and moved the .zip into Basilisk II and used StuffIt to unzip it, up to that point everything works good. I now have to files: Apple Mac OS 7.6 CD.image and _Apple Mac OS 7.6 CD.image, neither mounts in ShrinkWrap or StuffIt. What do I have to do to make it work inside OS 7.5.5?]] i wish this file was still there sigh < 1283029721 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1283029741 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, um what? < 1283029745 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1283029756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, the _ one is probably a resource fork < 1283029760 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit either doesn't work or is no longer on the net < 1283029761 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1283029763 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a quote from a forum < 1283029766 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :demonstrating that it has an .image < 1283029768 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the CD < 1283029770 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is what I need) < 1283029788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I have an OS 9 CD image. And I think I have the set of floppy images I used somewhere too < 1283029794 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are more seeders now for the Apple Legacy Software Recovery CD torrent, so speeds have probably picked up. < 1283029794 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For anyone else interested in getting this without bothering with the torrent, here's a direct download: < 1283029794 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TF755K5F < 1283029794 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1283029814 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 7.6(.1) is all i care about :P < 1283029816 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, apart from system 6 < 1283029818 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's trivially obtained < 1283029831 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still possibly the most usable OS ever released ;) < 1283029847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, OS 9 has very nice AA though :P < 1283029857 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something that expresses the intent of ;) without being the creepy paedophile smiley (that is, ";)") < 1283029891 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something i don't like about old Macintosh operating systems is that you have to hold the mouse button down to keep a menu open < 1283029900 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the whole non-modality thing and all, but it gives me carpal tunnel < 1283029953 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, how is ";)" a "creepy paedophile smiley"? < 1283029961 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it looks like < 1283029967 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone saying ;) instantly seems reepy < 1283029967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, you don't have to hold it down in OS 9 < 1283029968 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*creepy < 1283029968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283029983 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, no that is a wink with the eye < 1283029987 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, everyone agrees os 9 was the worst classic mac os < 1283029997 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that ;) is a wink. but it's creepy. to everyone. trust me < 1283029998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I don't. < 1283030008 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, no it isn't. it's just you < 1283030012 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that is merely because you are nostalgic and remember it < 1283030019 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, this isn't just my opinion < 1283030038 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have seen it expressed a great many times, a lot in this channel < 1283030049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, considering the population of earth very very few specific opinions will be unique < 1283030073 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use retarded loopholes like you do, so no need to worry about that. < 1283030079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, hah < 1283030083 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3% [> ] 21,423,692 231K/s eta 54m 47s < 1283030085 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should go faster. < 1283030088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, of what? < 1283030090 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like that to go faster. Go faster, that. < 1283030099 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, is that the megaupload url? < 1283030109 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. It's a ton of Mac OSes; I want it for 7.6.1. < 1283030125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, downloading that too: 9 minutes remaining, 162 of 578 MB (833 KB/sec) < 1283030125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283030137 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: :< < 1283030140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, no I don't have premium account < 1283030142 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But my connection gets those speeds! < 1283030146 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not on this download. < 1283030155 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose you're willing to mirror that somewhere more European? < 1283030160 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 minutes remaining < 1283030162 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283030187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, the closest server I have where I could put it is in LA, CA, US < 1283030201 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I would be willing to use this to seed the torrent however < 1283030209 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, if you /msg me details of it < 1283030229 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, Mac OS 8 < 8.5 == Mac OS 7.7, pretty much) < 1283030242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I assume you will seed to at least a 1.5 ratio without interruptions (except for computer being shut down) < 1283030244 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case < 1283030252 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what's your upload? < 1283030262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, about 80 KiB/s < 1283030271 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm downloading at 300 KiB/s < 1283030273 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll pass < 1283030276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283030279 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1283030282 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's 170 KiB/s < 1283030284 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still more than 80 < 1283030286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, 6 minutes remaining < 1283030290 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :49 < 1283030292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :829 KB/s < 1283030302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh 879 KB/s < 1283030305 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is unlikely < 1283030313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it exceeds the theoretical limit < 1283030323 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 megabit/second down < 1283030327 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, the torrent is 404'd. < 1283030337 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be possible to get *sustained* speeds above 800 KB/s < 1283030342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on 8 megabit/second down < 1283030352 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um, it's 1024 KiB/s < 1283030355 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure peeks might be due to buffering or ATM transfer mode or such < 1283030364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, yes but with overhead... < 1283030372 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, of protocols < 1283030374 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1283030379 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably not 224 bytes of overhead. < 1283030410 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, other traffic. I'm youtube-dling at 130 KB/s in another tab < 1283030434 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, you may want to "mplayer $(youtube-dl -b -g ...url...)" to watch stuff in real time < 1283030436 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with a -cache option < 1283030440 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than waiting for the download < 1283030451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, but then I noticed that sometimes I get burst up speeds in excess of 2 MB/s. And the bursts are often lasts several seconds < 1283030465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it "calms down" to the normal speed < 1283030504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, youtube-dl blah & wait until it says about 20 % vlc blah < 1283030506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I do < 1283030518 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ugh, vlc < 1283030524 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do realise vlc can do youtube natively? < 1283030526 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it ~never works) < 1283030533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, yes I know it never works < 1283030533 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, point is you don't have to do the waiting manually < 1283030553 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you use something which can actually play urls without being retarded < 1283030554 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. mplayer < 1283030562 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, you know what happens when I don't? It takes too long to download < 1283030600 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1283030603 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I measured that for 10 minute HD I need to wait until 20-25% until I can start watching if I don't want to end up stalling around 80% or 90% < 1283030617 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so use a big -cache < 1283030642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, meh, this works and I often don't want to watch it right away anyway < 1283030666 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how fast you can virtualise x86 code on x86 (i.e. running on the CPU natively for the most part, but unable to affect anything outside without going through the virtualising software)
< 1283030685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, usually when I do want to watch right away it is periodicvideos or sixtysymbols, and then I queue several downloads and start the first after 20% < 1283030688 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? nanokernel OS that runs all processes under this and just lets them message-pass :D < 1283030689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no stall later on then < 1283030698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, download done! < 1283030699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1283030717 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23% [========> ] 141,469,942 180K/s eta 41m 27s f < 1283030731 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: let's race it against airmailnet < 1283030738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, eh? < 1283030750 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, anyway do you have a checksum for it? < 1283030753 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(delegates to wheelsnet and sneakernet at both endpoints) < 1283030758 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wheelnet < 1283030768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, what? < 1283030773 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i.e. send it to me in the post :P < 1283030791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, hah that would take longer < 1283030832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file Apple_Legacy_CD.iso < 1283030832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple_Legacy_CD.iso: data < 1283030837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, that doesn't look good at all < 1283030847 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm. < 1283030859 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try s!/dev/cdrom!that! in basilisk ii prefs < 1283030863 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear keyboard: please let this key reattach < 1283030876 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I will try to put it in the GUI :P < 1283030897 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, just sending it to the right computer over sshfs < 1283030918 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, to protect that secret, secret iso file < 1283030943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, no, because I don't have nfs set up to laptop and I already had sshfs mounted < 1283030948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: to be fair, ssh tends to be faster < 1283030952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use sshfs because it is easy < 1283030956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it compresses en route < 1283030973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to mess with configs < 1283030975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from ssh < 1283030979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have that set up anyway < 1283031086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I have no /dev/cdrom in that prefs file < 1283031095 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm good point < 1283031099 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's in the SCSI section < 1283031107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what format is the line < 1283031108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot < 1283031137 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, ah it is cdrom < 1283031140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it seems to boot from it < 1283031147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.6.1 < 1283031149 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it works? < 1283031150 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1283031153 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, it'll have the installers < 1283031157 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for up to 8.0 i think < 1283031158 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe 8.5 < 1283031159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, whoo Newton! < 1283031162 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many many installers < 1283031163 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newton? < 1283031165 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about it < 1283031166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, yes! < 1283031172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, there is a folder on the CD < 1283031174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that name < 1283031177 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1283031182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and surely you know what it is! < 1283031184 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Apple_Newton_and_iPhone.jpg < 1283031208 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, well, the newton had a larger screen < 1283031225 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, and is that a vertical antenna at the top? < 1283031262 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1283031275 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :44% [================> ] 269,363,186 332K/s eta 27m 25s f < 1283031290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, System 1.0, 2.0.1, 5.0, 5.1, ... < 1283031291 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E36C8.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283031301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to 2.0, 3.* and 4.*? < 1283031311 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i forget, but there was no 2 and 3 < 1283031316 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1283031321 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is 2.0.1 there < 1283031323 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what about 4 < 1283031331 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there were < 1283031333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, there is up to 8.1 btw < 1283031339 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 2, 3 and 4 were basically identical < 1283031352 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system software 2.01 = system 4.0 or 4.1 < 1283031368 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :system software version =/= system evrsion =/= finder version < 1283031374 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the early days < 1283031386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple SW A-D, E-M and N-Z < 1283031387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283031394 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, is there a *non*-legacy cd too? < 1283031401 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for 8.5 - 9.0 < 1283031419 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i dunno, this is 68k < 1283031425 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for ppc... i don't know < 1283031428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, 8.1 came for 68k? < 1283031431 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283031434 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.5 was the first ppc-only version < 1283031436 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth < 1283031439 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 8.1 is nothing like 8.5 < 1283031449 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 <= version < 8.5 is more like Mac OS 7.6 < 1283031451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, didn't 8.1 use the grayish theme? < 1283031453 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than Mac OS 8 as you know it < 1283031461 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but < 1283031465 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from appearance < 1283031470 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the next major release of 7 < 1283031473 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, A/UX! < 1283031477 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8.5 is when it started on the path towards 9 < 1283031482 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/MacOS81_screenshot.png < 1283031484 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BMW CyberDrive! < 1283031499 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emate 300! It's like a Newton but NOT! < 1283031501 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, there is god damn Lisa stuff on there < 1283031503 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Movies from MARS < 1283031513 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisa O/S 3.1 < 1283031516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisa Pascal Workshop < 1283031533 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O/S heh < 1283031541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :says so in the dir name yes < 1283031558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mac OS Runtime for Java 1.5.1 < 1283031569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacTCP Token Ring Extension haha < 1283031576 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1283031591 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one token ring to rule them all... < 1283031598 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1283031610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I can't find MPW though < 1283031626 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is just OS software. < 1283031659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is colorsync and quicktime too < 1283031680 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and peripheral drivers < 1283031710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, newton seems to have had stylewriter drivers < 1283031721 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I wonder if you could hook up a printer to an iphone? < 1283031723 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet not < 1283031779 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, network printer < 1283031808 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also perhaps bluetooth, i think ipad does bluetooth at least since it has the keyboard < 1283031814 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think the iphone does though < 1283031823 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it has bluetooth < 1283031828 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although apparently it's a bit rubbish < 1283031837 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :89% [=================================> ] 540,800,200 837K/s eta 3m 47s f < 1283031839 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: HA HA < 1283031865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, what about it? < 1283031869 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I'm already done :P < 1283031877 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have superiorised your speed < 1283031882 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :840 KiB/s. sustained < 1283031883 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, no < 1283031884 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyotch < 1283031906 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, I said I got 873 KB/s max, and near the end I got 860 KB/s sustained < 1283031910 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you fail < 1283031925 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you said that was impossible < 1283031928 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am accentuating the unpossible < 1283031930 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so die on the floor < 1283031949 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A A A DOWNLOADED < 1283031952 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL HAL IT < 1283031961 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, well I think I sometimes get more bw than I pay for :P < 1283032019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw why does both's font looks as slightly less ugly Comic sans? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Apple_Newton_and_iPhone.jpg < 1283032070 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ those apples background < 1283032071 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :appl appl appl < 1283032091 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because newton used such a font for note taking < 1283032102 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the iphone uses Marker Felt for Notes, which irritates EVERYONE < 1283032102 0 :Vegabondmx!~Vegabonds@unaffiliated/vegabondsx JOIN :#esoteric < 1283032110 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(John Gruber actually fiddled around with system files just to get it to use something else) < 1283032111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, yes I noticed, also you get image corruption when you open a second-level dir with a large window and then drags that window about < 1283032119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen corruption on desktop < 1283032122 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how big is your screen? < 1283032127 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set to < 1283032131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check < 1283032149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen win/1024/600 < 1283032150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, ^ < 1283032150 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the statistics it gives you for untranslated instructions < 1283032155 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rank Opc Count Name < 1283032155 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :000: a975 1545452 ILLEGAL < 1283032155 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :001: e541 283685 ASL < 1283032155 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :002: a822 278293 ILLEGAL < 1283032155 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :003: a873 244811 ILLEGAL < 1283032156 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :004: a88f 231497 ILLEGAL < 1283032158 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many illegal opcodes < 1283032166 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, uh, you can't really expect stability with a non-standard res. < 1283032175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, yes that is only with JIT and JIT is somewhat buggy < 1283032180 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :512x384 is safe. everything else is hit-and-miss < 1283032185 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the jit buggy? < 1283032186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, well... that is too small < 1283032187 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works for me < 1283032194 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what you had back in the day < 1283032194 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal < 1283032198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, without JIT some old games work < 1283032205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with it they fail with illegal instruction < 1283032212 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh the iso is so nicely organised :3 < 1283032220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, yes now to find a PPC one < 1283032225 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no 68k is my love forever < 1283032230 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely little architecture < 1283032270 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs OSS to get sound working
< 1283032324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, where did you find the legacy software recovery cd? < 1283032328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macintoshgarden? < 1283032336 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, the forums < 1283032337 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.macintoshgarden.org/forum/ndif-disk-copy-basilisk-ii-system-76-and-headaches < 1283032343 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after gratuitous amounts of googling < 1283032394 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, http://www.macintoshgarden.org/apps/be-os-macworld-preview-release < 1283032496 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1283032519 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know how to unload alsa modules? < 1283032541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.macintoshgarden.org/apps/apple-system-software-recovery-1-dated-1998 < 1283032551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, kill everything using sound first probably < 1283032561 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it seems to have done it itself < 1283032565 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1283032597 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to try rebooting < 1283032605 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1283032610 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283032639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION officially has more games than any one person could play. Or want to play, for that matter.
< 1283032746 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.244.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283032753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck yeah! gnome-volume-control does OSS. < 1283032760 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how? < 1283032791 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have all the games for: NES, SNES, N64, FDS, GB, GBC, GBA. < 1283032817 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All" in the sense of every last one? < 1283032817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: context? < 1283032823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:56 * pikhq officially has more games than any one person could play. Or want to play, for that matter. < 1283032836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. EVERY SINGLE N64 game? < 1283032839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY SINGLE GBA game? < 1283032845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is simply not possible! < 1283032862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: In the sense of "every single one that was actually put on a cartridge and sold" (and a superset of that, actually...) < 1283032875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do you know how to disable the Unix FS? < 1283032881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How do you have all GBA games. < 1283032886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why would you want to < 1283032895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is very useful to transfer downloaded fs to it < 1283032896 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1283032898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ~/games/emulation/GBA < 1283032898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, setting it to false works < 1283032899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :downloaded files < 1283032900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1283032903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, ok < 1283032907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, BLATANT LIES < 1283032908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But how. < 1283032909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, just pointing it to a subdir not / < 1283032918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes Unix folder
< 1283032919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I use ~/mac/shared < 1283032926 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well full path in config < 1283032929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,* < 1283032931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's a mere 24GB when uncompressed. < 1283032933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wait, someone was obviously dumping them... < 1283032954 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283032970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : gather statistics on untranslated insns count < 1283032971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : gather statistics on translation time < 1283032973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to disable this? < 1283032974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, do you have them legally? < 1283032980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hahahaha < 1283032981 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes by disabling the JIT :P < 1283032982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not only no but hell no. < 1283032992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, *phew* < 1283032997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: omg it DOES have A/UX < 1283033004 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I said so < 1283033005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :above < 1283033009 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, please *READ* < 1283033010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexiest .iso ever < 1283033015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i thought you were just saying yay A/UX < 1283033017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not OMG THIS HAS A/UX. < 1283033020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is CD 4 of 4 < 1283033025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing is a national treasure < 1283033028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: who cares about the other 3 < 1283033029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably suck < 1283033034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this thing has all anyone could ever want < 1283033035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray A/UX! < 1283033042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, first has apple application software, the next two have PPC OS software < 1283033046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A/UX, it's got what plants crave! < 1283033071 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you could set up an appleshare server! < 1283033120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to make a disk appear as a hard disk, not a floppy, to the OS? < 1283033134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not that I know of. And it doesn't really matter < 1283033141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it can't be formatted :) < 1283033155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so use two images < 1283033161 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for each partition < 1283033162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1283033171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant for wiping < 1283033171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283033179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ethernet Interface: eth0" < 1283033181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyever not? < 1283033188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The sad thing is, most console emulators appear to suck. Especially for more recent systems. < 1283033190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um? dd if=/dev/zero of=diskimage < 1283033191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283033203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cannot open /dev/sheep_net (No such file or directory). Ethernet will not be available." < 1283033205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww... < 1283033209 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, don't use that one < 1283033212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it doesn't work < 1283033217 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with modern kernels < 1283033220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tunnel MacOS Networking over UDP" < 1283033221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh... < 1283033221 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, there is an user space one < 1283033226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds nice. < 1283033230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the user space one is the only one that works < 1283033230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work? < 1283033237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the user space one? < 1283033243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm let me check < 1283033258 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, slirp < 1283033261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is userface < 1283033263 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1283033264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1283033264 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :userspace* < 1283033273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work out of the box? < 1283033285 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and tunneling probably works but it needs another sheepshaver as the end poiint < 1283033287 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :point* < 1283033291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no internet connection iirc < 1283033297 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, slirp works out of box for me < 1283033321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, it crashes the first time < 1283033323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then works after that < 1283033334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um, probably unrelated < 1283033336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked for me < 1283033342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it happens even for normal stuff with me < 1283033343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfault < 1283033345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably jit weirdness < 1283033368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"System Software by CPU" haha < 1283033390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1283033392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the installers automount < 1283033402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: apple sure took a lot of care with this disk < 1283033411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything Just Works :P < 1283033417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay installing 7.6.1 < 1283033437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, yes. It's classic Apple. They prided themselves on that then. < 1283033451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: huh, i get visual distortion here too < 1283033455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only with JIT? < 1283033459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I was not using JIT < 1283033466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1283033472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, basilisk II is buggy < 1283033474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows that < 1283033484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I thought you said it was sheepshaver that was :P < 1283033498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you're right, it loads extensions ludicrously fast < 1283033500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well yeah. that too < 1283033508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIEE the trash is more to the left than the other two icons < 1283033524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it loads extensions faster than any real mac that ran those OSes even without JIT < 1283033531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JIT just makes it flicker past < 1283033531 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ld: fatal error: out of file descriptors and couldn't close any < 1283033533 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... awesome < 1283033539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: XD < 1283033539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dang. < 1283033543 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how? < 1283033547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebKit < 1283033550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm here to kick ass and close file descriptors, and I'm all out of file descriptors. < 1283033555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how many files is it trying to link at once < 1283033559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, WebKit. Linker abuse. < 1283033561 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A metric lot. < 1283033563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1283033572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How many files is it trying to link at once?" "Yes." < 1283033581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a perfectly cromulent response < 1283033597 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So I like giving "Yes" additional semantics. < 1283033598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I suggest you put them in a hanful of *.a and use the whole archive option to force include the entire archive (including unreferenced files from outside) < 1283033601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iiiiit's iCab time! < 1283033605 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :handful* < 1283033616 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I wasn't really planning on linking manually X-P < 1283033621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah < 1283033635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iCab 2.9.9. It's got what 68k users crave! < 1283033640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.icab.de/download.php?os=68k&lang=en < 1283033641 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is with gold. Original ld segfaults. < 1283033647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh does anyone have a copy of Stuffit. < 1283033666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is it shareware or not? < 1283033681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iCab? Dunno. < 1283033683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuffit? Yes. < 1283033686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not in those days. < 1283033694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I have stuffit keys btw somewhere < 1283033707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, have quicktime pro key too I think < 1283033747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuffit /expander/ is free < 1283033749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on old mac os < 1283033756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh < 1283033758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can copy it off another disk < 1283033778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I refuse to comment on origin and you are absolutely not welcome to inquire in /msg about a non-existent wide selection of keys for old mac software. :P < 1283033811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duuude, your metaphysics is, like, acid, maaan. < 1283033822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't taaaaaake it. < 1283033827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, metaphysics how? < 1283033834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The, existence, man. < 1283033839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283033854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Royco < 1283033857 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cup of soup < 1283033882 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, it's a mere 1,614 object files. < 1283033904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Konqueror history: "Clearly it should be ordered by domain." < 1283033927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, have no way to disable this." < 1283033953 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds GNOMEish < 1283033964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, GNOME would have no way to disable it, but it wouldn't sort by damn domain in the first place. < 1283033996 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and if it had a way to disable it, you would have to use gconf to reach it < 1283034009 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, there is a balance between zzoishness and gnomishness though < 1283034011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but again, it wouldn't do that in the first place. :P < 1283034024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think sorting by day then domain is a good idea < 1283034034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; Konqueror does it the other way around. < 1283034038 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1283034040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is silly < 1283034048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, groups visits to a domain from ages ago into the same domain thing, even if it's at the top for most recent. < 1283034053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: GNOME is becoming less and less extreme-GNOMEish each release, anyway. < 1283034064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And KDE 4 is becoming more... KDE 4. Which is more confusing than anything else. < 1283034079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I could tell what KDE 3 was "all about"; I'm not sure what KDE SC 4's goals are at all. < 1283034088 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 4 = badsauce < 1283034095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're to seem to work like GNOME on the surface, but then ... not work at all underneath. < 1283034103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, actually I seen both directions in GNOME. Like that "make pressing key while hovering menu item change shortcut". Useful. Used to be available in GUI config < 1283034103 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE4 is not to be ingested < 1283034107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowdays it is gconf only < 1283034121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Makes you wish they had just ported KDE 3 to Qt 4 and called it a day. < 1283034121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, although it may be useful it's... really confusing if you trigger it by accident. < 1283034137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, overall GNOME is definitely getting better. < 1283034146 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qt 4 is awesome. KDE 3 was awesome. Combine it and you get double-awesome. < 1283034159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I find gnome-terminal default key bindings for switching and moving tabs around is just unusable < 1283034164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer konsole style for that < 1283034169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE 3 wasn't awesome, IMO. But it's more understandable than KDE 4. < 1283034173 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so extremely useful option < 1283034176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, but I mean, overall. < 1283034187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aladdin Expander, wow, it's not even called Stuffit. < 1283034192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it is < 1283034194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, KDE3 was KDE3. That had both downsides and upsides < 1283034196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not the installer filename < 1283034196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, yeah, it wasn't actually awesome, but it was... I dunno. Very much usable. < 1283034204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 5.5 from 1999 (or at least with a copyright date ending 1999) < 1283034210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With just a handful of really stupid things. < 1283034213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ctrl-Alt-A thing in the window manager was awesome < 1283034214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ARTs!) < 1283034216 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That still exists, right? < 1283034222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It was /understandable/. You used KDE 3 and you knew exactly what it was aiming for. < 1283034229 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, exactly < 1283034231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this might be tolerable for you. < 1283034235 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, guess why I was a huge fan of it? < 1283034245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't know where gnome is heading these days really < 1283034250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE SC 4 is implemented better than KDE 3 -- at least, now it is -- but it has no philosophy. < 1283034251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in part I suspect I don't like it < 1283034268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I've basically given up on desktop environments by now. < 1283034277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME is heading for something that Just Works without thinking. Apple is an example of aiming for that and missing. < 1283034279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though XFCE doesn't seem revolting. < 1283034295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNOME has aimed for that for most of its life -- at least since GNOME 2 -- and has missed several times, but appears to be on the right track now. < 1283034301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, xfce is quite nice, used it on some live cds for disk stuff < 1283034310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how far did they miss? < 1283034312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :systemrescuecd is awesome for doing weird partition stuff < 1283034315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's all open and whatnot, there's less of the corporate pressure that stopped Apple from keeping trying new things until they worked. < 1283034320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Apple? < 1283034326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Latest OS X misses by a long mark. < 1283034327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use that when setting up disks < 1283034336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System Software 6 was very close. But it was limited, so. < 1283034347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: KDE had more "just works" than GNOME back in the day (TM). < 1283034362 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I haven't used the latest OS... < 1283034363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And KDE didn't ever really aim for that... < 1283034371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah -- remember that GNOME vs KDE article? < 1283034374 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think GNOME is partly on the wrong track, because it means I don't really have options to configure stuff I disagree with it about < 1283034379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not really. < 1283034380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the vomit-encrusted rave GNOME thing? < 1283034382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still it is not so bad I can't stand it < 1283034409 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I would say that is quite reversed these days < 1283034413 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that article < 1283034424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wasn't KDE a german office of exactness? < 1283034425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, that. Right. < 1283034434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It was "KDE developers are European and listen to tinkling classical music in a modern architecture building and do everything by the book, then enter the military to kill people senselessly because they are empty inside" and "GNOME developers are all at a rave and vomit and shit everywhere while lights strobe, and occasionally they put it all in a tarball and release it without checking whether it works." < 1283034451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yeah, that was true back in the day, with GNOME being the crazy unusable UI-effects one. < 1283034456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's interesting how much that is reversed now. < 1283034462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although really both are like KDE in the article now. < 1283034465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is... maybe E17? < 1283034472 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't remember the military bit < 1283034480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it definitely had it < 1283034482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Except for the "put it all in a tarball" thing. < 1283034488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E17 doesn't release. < 1283034488 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, e17 XD < 1283034492 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never tried it < 1283034494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, yes. < 1283034496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not very good. < 1283034508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looked... eyecandish? < 1283034510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/E17_screenshot.jpg < 1283034512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1283034515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eye candy and nothing else. < 1283034518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It has some interesting things going on, but it's a version control checkout and it shows. < 1283034522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much more popular a while ago than it is now. < 1283034522 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283034530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That was E16. < 1283034534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say I like eye candy < 1283034537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1283034544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E16 didn't have eye candy. < 1283034547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enlightenment 16 was popular. < 1283034548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1283034550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1283034555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well E17 was popular too, in some circles. < 1283034564 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I suppose you don't approve of Compiz, then? < 1283034568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Eye candy is worthless; but ugliness is pretty unusable too. < 1283034572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, E16 still has releases? < 1283034579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lack of gradients isn't ugliness, though. :) < 1283034583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, pikhq: I use clearlooks, metacity, old version of standard gnome icon theme, #D3D9FF solid color desktop bg < 1283034589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep, apparently < 1283034590 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that says everything I think < 1283034595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Clean. < 1283034597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearlooks is pretty eyecandyish < 1283034620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: old clearlooks was great: http://clearlooks.sourceforge.net/screenshots/clearlooks-0.6.png < 1283034620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's the unobtrusive kind, though. < 1283034625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more conservative than it is now < 1283034630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, pikhq due to different colour reproduction on my laptop I use #DCDDEF there < 1283034633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's circa 2005 < 1283034634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks about the same < 1283034640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know which is most correct < 1283034643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably desktop < 1283034677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: old clearlooks was great: http://clearlooks.sourceforge.net/screenshots/clearlooks-0.6.png <-- hm, not same shade on window title bar < 1283034697 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lighter, and more pure blue < 1283034706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing i hate about classic mac OS: icons are just sprawled everywhere with no organisation most of the time! < 1283034709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^ < 1283034709 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: would you consider licensing some of your GPL code as BSD just because someone asks you to for no apparent reason? < 1283034712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes; it had a different colour scheme then. < 1283034713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say no, I need ammo in an arugmnet < 1283034714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Actually, I may want to start using XFCE. < 1283034719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But look at the buttons, etc. < 1283034723 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I would want a good reason < 1283034728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They're nicer. < 1283034729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a very good reason < 1283034738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nah < 1283034741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I dunno... I've used XFCE and ... I actually have no opinion on it. < 1283034747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It completely bypassed my opinion subsystem. < 1283034752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... ESR has decided he wants to relicense C-INTERCAL as BSD because it's a compiler and it helps to solve license issues < 1283034754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok, but the gradients on the toolbars < 1283034760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are much less obtrusive < 1283034766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any reason why the compiler itself (as opposed to libick) should be < 1283034769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i support < 1283034772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply because BSD is nicer < 1283034773 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't have any toolbary window around to check with < 1283034778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, his attitude seems to be "let's just do it, we'll sort out the legal problems later" < 1283034782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1283034784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's retarded < 1283034785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I actually use some KDE software for the toolbary ones < 1283034787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell him he's retarded < 1283034791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, like kate < 1283034796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it must be said that GTK sucks. < 1283034804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it does, but everything uses it anyway < 1283034808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what ya gonna do < 1283034813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1283034827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and no I'm not prepared to re-license my contributions to ick < 1283034853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: even if everyone else did? < 1283034856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, obstructiveness < 1283034857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not without a very good reason and everything being properly considered < 1283034864 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, even tracking down everyone else would be tricky at this point < 1283034865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wait for the next line < 1283034880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what if there was no particular reason but every other contributor ever had already agreed? < 1283034888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd just tell him "that's illegal". < 1283034897 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I would ask why this was decided on < 1283034907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Because we want it to be BSD." < 1283034910 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, "why" < 1283034916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Because we like BSD." < 1283034921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why" < 1283034934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Because we do. The other 30 contributors have already agreed; will you?" < 1283034935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, (I could go on forever, and if there was a good reason I would likely switch) < 1283034940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal was the best person to ask here because a) he's written some relatively hard-to-replace code, b) he's right here in the channel, c) he isn't me < 1283034946 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I probably wouldn't without a good reason no < 1283034954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and d) he's insane < 1283034962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION growls
< 1283034965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Okay; we'll rewrite your code and remove you from the credits file." < 1283034972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, *shrug* < 1283034975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, I was rather hoping he had strong views on BSD vs. GPL < 1283034983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you already know those views, surely < 1283034991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he expresses them at every available opportunity < 1283034993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lose track < 1283035033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iCab starts! woo! < 1283035037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm happy to use BSD too, I tend to use GPL for my own projects due to not wanting companies making commercial use of my own code without giving back but I'm happy to contribute under BSD to projects already using it < 1283035042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :network error < 1283035044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sob* < 1283035047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is my views on BSD vs GPL < 1283035061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "giving back" there refers to the community as a whole < 1283035077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOGLE LOADS < 1283035079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and renders properly, wow < 1283035084 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the form of paying me < 1283035094 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as in releasing improvements < 1283035101 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so there you have my views on them < 1283035112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which Google is rendered on a 68k Macintosh: http://imgur.com/ugJA5.png < 1283035117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, however I doubt any sane company would want to reuse code from ick < 1283035126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just... too messy < 1283035135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better than it was < 1283035145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESR is busy trying to make it messy by the look of things < 1283035150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes, thanks in part to me < 1283035151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that he seems unable to read INTERCAL doesn't really help < 1283035154 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ick? < 1283035157 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know; thanks for that < 1283035157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, he what? < 1283035162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the main C-INTERCAL binary < 1283035168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he keeps asking me what programs do < 1283035173 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I'm pretty sure you asked this before? < 1283035175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why are you even collaborating with him? < 1283035178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's awfully incompetent < 1283035178 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ais and ESR's magic intercal machine. < 1283035180 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is unable to read INTERCAL... then again, I'm not encouraging a new INTERCAL project
< 1283035187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: let's just say ais's < 1283035190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, perpet.c was really horrible before I cleaned it up < 1283035193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: because Knuth asked us to < 1283035194 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what he could write in INTERCAL
< 1283035196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: erm, he created C-INTERCAL < 1283035198 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1283035202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR MYSTERIOUS REASONS < 1283035203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: (esr) < 1283035205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could easily assemble the versions yourself < 1283035207 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confused ESR and Knuth < 1283035208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and email them to knuth first :) < 1283035208 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, took quite a while to figure out how stuff tied together, iirc it used goto to jump around before? < 1283035209 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1283035223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this iCab was released in 2006 < 1283035224 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if I completely got rid of that or not < 1283035226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you believe that? < 1283035230 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283035231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new 68k software, released in 2006 < 1283035232 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, have you found out why Knuth wants this‽ < 1283035233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by an actual company < 1283035241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The Art of Computer Programming. < 1283035244 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, they stopped after that < 1283035248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to answer questions with gratuitous interrobangs < 1283035248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: who cares < 1283035263 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I refuse to answer questions with gratuitous interrobangs <-- um? < 1283035264 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah, so this is how he will complete it? < 1283035265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... Kidding, right? < 1283035271 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was that directed to < 1283035279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: me? < 1283035281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to Phantom_Hoover, who'd just used one < 1283035282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: for what remark? < 1283035287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: dunno < 1283035287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: TAoCP & INTERCAL? < 1283035290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1283035290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nope < 1283035297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he's including an INTERCAL program, apparently < 1283035298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuuuuck? < 1283035299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask ais523 to confirm < 1283035312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would he do that < 1283035318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, a system error occured. < 1283035320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“iCab” < 1283035323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : error type 10 < 1283035323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2491#more-2491 seems to give some of the context < 1283035325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ Restart ] < 1283035329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. He's going to be discussing compiler techniques... < 1283035331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah reboot < 1283035336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, for great epicicity! < 1283035338 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Taxi for the Mac? < 1283035345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Don (he asked me to call him that, honest!) had requested a bug fix in INTERCAL, which he plans to use as the subject of a chapter in his forthcoming book Selected Papers on Fun And Games. As of those three hours ago Donald Knuth’s program is part of the INTERCAL compiler’s regression-test suite. < 1283035345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even just his blog post titles make me want to stab him < 1283035360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's a web browser < 1283035363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the issue with C-INTERCAL is mostly parsing (though optimisation is also non-trivial) < 1283035371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least as far as I understand it < 1283035374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's annoying me atm is that he seems to have an attitude of "if you have a good testsuite, any commit that doesn't break it should be accepted" < 1283035381 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything with "Taxi" in the name should be an interpreter for Taxi < 1283035391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even useless commits? < 1283035405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ones that reduce code quality, AFAICT < 1283035415 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god, ESR may challenge Wolfram in ego. < 1283035423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he told me to open up commit access to the INTERCAL repos for anyone I'd been working with < 1283035426 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I discovered that INTERCAL had nucleated an entire weird little subculture of esoteric-language designers around itself, among whom I had come to be regarded as sort of a patriarch in absentia…." < 1283035429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1283035433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basilisk is so crashy < 1283035434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the assumption that they'd run the regression tests first < 1283035438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is it? < 1283035439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HAHA < 1283035444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what are you doing in it? < 1283035449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody, and I mean nobody, considers esr godlike in the esolangs community < 1283035452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also claims that all modern INTERCAL impls are decended from C-INTERCAL < 1283035453 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I found that browsing web is a bad idea. < 1283035456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, otherwise it works well < 1283035461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even after I specifically told him CLC-INTERCAL existed < 1283035461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's what i was trying < 1283035464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: know of an irc client? < 1283035464 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, this is what I was mocking. < 1283035471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is esr, are you surprised? < 1283035479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not 68k no < 1283035479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggestion: avoid talking to him, do only the work Knuth requests < 1283035482 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I'm apparently a "doughty Englishman" < 1283035484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, get MPW and make one < 1283035488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1283035493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet ircle works < 1283035498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no clue < 1283035502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1283035504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an ircle release < 1283035506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.sit.bin fun fun < 1283035513 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what doughty means.
< 1283035513 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that should be easy < 1283035524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does he know what doughty means? < 1283035524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU PEOPLE AND YOUR SLANG < 1283035530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't; "brave, courageous and stouthearted" < 1283035533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, even if stuffit fails at .bin < 1283035533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what doughty means either < 1283035537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck can he deduce that from C-INTERCAL? < 1283035538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I don't think it will < 1283035545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it doesn't < 1283035547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail at it < 1283035547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could still use hfstools to copy it to the disk image < 1283035547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1283035552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from unix < 1283035557 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, to work on it for any time would require that. < 1283035557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha it has both UK and US english releases < 1283035562 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hfstools support copy and unhqz < 1283035568 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hqx* < 1283035572 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and same for bin < 1283035576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well both ways < 1283035611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, btw when you linked http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/E17_screenshot.jpg did you read the dialog in the middle? < 1283035617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hilarious < 1283035640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :) < 1283035645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's conservative, haha < 1283035662 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiz can totally outflashy that. < 1283035667 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and calling a supposedly "conservative" theme "bling bling"...? < 1283035669 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1283035763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's called irony. < 1283035783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it got a 2010 date correct < 1283035784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1283035789 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you think they did that intentionally? < 1283035794 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what did? < 1283035799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, ESR might actually be more full of himself than Wolfram... < 1283035804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basilisk's scroll wheel emulation is awesome < 1283035806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, he isn't < 1283035808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ircle < 1283035825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, o.o < 1283035840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : basilisk's scroll wheel emulation is awesome <-- um... it doesn't work in all apps due to being implemented as "arrow key input" < 1283035847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I evidently haven't learnt enough of Wolfram. < 1283035849 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in some apps it scrolls too fast < 1283035851 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1283035883 0 :alise68k!~alise@91.104.244.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283035894 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning America! < 1283035908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, read the introduction at http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/guide/FunctionalProgramming.html < 1283035909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1283035921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, even ESR isn't that bad < 1283035942 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAGH < 1283035962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His *software* has a huge ego... < 1283035982 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is apparently oblivious to Lisp... < 1283035984 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about this one: " < 1283035984 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica provides a uniquely integrated and automated environment for parallel computing. With zero configuration, full interactivity and seamless local and network operation, the symbolic character of the Mathematica language allows immediate support of a variety of existing and new parallel programming paradigms and data-sharing models. " < 1283035994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite as bad as the first one < 1283035995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1283036016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION avoids concurrency quite well as it is, thank you very much.
< 1283036045 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "Integrated into the core Mathematica language is industrial-strength string manipulation, not only with ordinary regular expressions, but also with Mathematica's own powerful general symbolic string-pattern language. " < 1283036063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is embarrassingly bad < 1283036078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, I haven't bothered to learn about string processing, so they could be right for all I know. < 1283036087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can anyone write "industrial-strength string manipulation" and NOT be joking < 1283036173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, doing *anything* industrial-strength in Mathematica seems silly to me. < 1283036182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that too < 1283036207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Coq seems more immediately gluable to the outside world. < 1283036226 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but "industrial-strength string manipulation" is almost as silly as "Enterprise INTERCAL System Administrator Certification" < 1283036234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I'd do the latter < 1283036245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Mathematica doesn't even do things like a memoized study < 1283036249 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can I have one? < 1283036252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, admittedly nothing else does either, but it'd help it out < 1283036266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: first step is to explain what it actually /means/ < 1283036268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL certification, that is. < 1283036276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd also need to demonstrate expertise in administering an INTERCAL-based system < 1283036289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a redundant one of course < 1283036303 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can truthfully say that I have administered every INTERCAL-based system in existence. < 1283036313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to fall for that one < 1283036317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ? < 1283036319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why not implement a redundant distributed network on top of CLC-INTERCAL networking < 1283036327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as erlang or similar < 1283036329 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pleeeeeaaaaase? < 1283036336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because I have better things to do? < 1283036344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, good point < 1283036434 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, pleasepleaseplease?? < 1283036450 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I imagine a rack containing some UPSes and huge cabinets of blade servers, each running INTERCAL software < 1283036462 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to get this image out of my mind < 1283036464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: begging is a method of gaining certification? < 1283036470 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, YES < 1283036526 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, what kind of university did you go to? < 1283036540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1283036544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work at any uni? < 1283036558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, well, all of the reputable ones. < 1283036575 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah... < 1283036581 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, graduating suma cum laude (spelling?) is the way to go < 1283036588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doing that by begging? wrong way < 1283036593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't need to beg < 1283036595 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you obviously don't go to a reputable university, then. < 1283036611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, examples of such in Europe? < 1283036660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, they do have reputations. < 1283036666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, read the sub titles for the categories on http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/guide/Mathematica.html < 1283036689 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They couldn't go around having people who don't know about them knowing about them, now could they? < 1283036697 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1283036723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise68k: do you have any code in C-INTERCAL? < 1283036725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I go to one that probably give you marks based on what you actually do < 1283036728 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I tire of this trolling. < 1283036728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember < 1283036730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not based on begging < 1283036735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know you have bug reports) < 1283036736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you were trolling? < 1283036748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, STANDARD TROLL TACTIC, THAT < 1283036757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what was? < 1283036781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, accusing your victim of trolling! < 1283036791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, are you saying I was trolling? < 1283036792 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1283036796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not intentionally at least < 1283036809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what you'd say if you were a troll! < 1283036819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see my debating skills? < 1283036822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old one < 1283036830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1283036844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I don't accuse people of trolling when it's obvious < 1283036872 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hence I should get my INTERCAL certification! < 1283036900 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... how does that follow < 1283036913 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1283036986 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, through LOGICAL. < 1283036996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRsa8205eS4 ← strange < 1283037070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the title is wtf < 1283037083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a proof assistant based on INTERCAL) < 1283037085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is it just black + music? < 1283037094 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes. < 1283037101 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, quite nice music so far < 1283037174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though somewhat abrupt change is style around 02:05 or such < 1283037223 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, didn't I have a random idea of a proof assistant written in Coq? < 1283037240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, isn't Coq a proof assistant? < 1283037254 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the change is presumably Wolfram's ego reaching its proper place in the heavens. < 1283037260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it is. < 1283037261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I would say awesome music with very very strange title < 1283037285 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I think I won't delete the file the music was that awesome. Just have to ignore the title < 1283037403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chrishecker.com/File:Wolframalpha-crop.png ← Wolfram's ego has indeed created much entertainment. < 1283037495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If anyone living has a claim to be the high priest of the cult of systematic skepticism in software development, that would be me. < 1283037499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed that on the first readthrough... < 1283037503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wow... < 1283037506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's mild by wolfram's standards < 1283037512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Have you been able to find a satisfactory GUI IM client? < 1283037518 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, O.o < 1283037522 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's strong? < 1283037547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: link Phantom_Hoover to Wolfram's blog post where he announces that he used your brain to PERSONALLY compute the answer to his BEAUTIFUL 2,3 problem < 1283037559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was done by HIM, STEPHEN WOLFRAM < 1283037573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. I use Pidgin. It causes great pain. But less so than anything else. < 1283037580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And IRC? < 1283037586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I use XChat. For now. < 1283037590 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, if you give me my certification, I'll beat Wolfram with a pillowcase full of soap. < 1283037592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi it is, then! < 1283037601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm not sure where it is, offhand < 1283037601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: XChat /can/ be configured to be somewhat tolerable... < 1283037607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You might like WeeChat, btw. < 1283037613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but irssi is *already* tolerable. < 1283037636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, judging by my search history, I have at times thought your name to be Adam, Alan and Alex Smith. < 1283037644 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mollyrocket.com/11235 < 1283037645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you thinking of this one: http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/solution_news.html < 1283037655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explanation of the title < 1283037656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, searching for "Alex Smith" is useless, it's a rather common name < 1283037664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: won't load o_O < 1283037667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, it was on his blog < 1283037670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah, that's why I refine it. < 1283037682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.wolfram.com/?year=2007&monthnum=10&name=the-prize-is-won-the-simplest-universal-turing-machine-is-proved < 1283037684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh: < 1283037685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"↑ I will write up why I think it sucks it in more detail at some point on my Mathematica page, but for now I refer you to this. To be fair, I'm using an old copy of Mathematica 3.0, but I've looked at the feature lists of the newer versions and they don't seem to fix (or even acknowledge) the issues I have with it, so I've never bothered to upgrade. I have an article brewing about my math problem solving workflow that I hope to post before the heat death < 1283037685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : of the universe." < 1283037689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone using mathematica 3 in 2010 < 1283037690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1283037692 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, incidentally, do you still have that insane beard? < 1283037702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I wonder why it's not loading. < 1283037705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insane? that beard is awesome! < 1283037707 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have a beard, yes < 1283037715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: did you blackhole Wolfram in your hosts file? < 1283037715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't talk to him if he got rid of that beard < 1283037718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, but good idea < 1283037724 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, this is #esoteric! < 1283037727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't put it past you... < 1283037732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his beard has been getting psychotherapy and is no longer insane < 1283037750 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCing from a 68k Macintosh, fuck yeah! < 1283037768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insane is not the same as not awesome!! < 1283037776 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which I use ircle: http://i.imgur.com/c3wwD.png < 1283037784 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD, PEOPLE WHO DO NOT USE OLD MACINTOSHII! < 1283037852 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the IM advice for System 7 is "install an IRC client and use Bitlbee" < 1283037893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Now, friends, you may be wondering why I bothered to do all this rather than simply starting a repo with ais523’s latest snapshot and munging my week’s worth of changes into it, and all I’m going to say about that is that if the answer isn’t intuitively obvious to you you have missed the point of INTERCAL and are probably not a hacker." < 1283037924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what's your opinion on that sentence? < 1283037925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tl;dr "If you don't understand why I wasted time bugging other people, you're not a hacker like I am. I know this because I wrote the definition of a hacker. Fun fact: It includes not calling yourself a hacker. I am a man of many contradictions." < 1283037935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think it's one of the strangest sentences I've read today. < 1283037938 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283037954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, incidentally, do you still have that insane beard? <-- which awesome beard? < 1283037955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1283037958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you give him permission to quote those emails? < 1283037964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1283037976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not explicitly < 1283037983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1283037993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably have objected if I didn't want them posted, at least < 1283038003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you have a link to a photo? < 1283038008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my email-quoting ethics: Only do it if the other person is a massive jerk, or if you're just quoting them in private to someone you know < 1283038018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what, any photo? < 1283038026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just click random image on Wikimedia Commons a few times < 1283038041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no to one showing your beard < 1283038044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no,* < 1283038045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: just change it to "if either person is a massive jerk", then it works just fine < 1283038059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: let's just say, I don't use Facebook for a reason < 1283038066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that's the first time you've outright called esr something nasty :-) < 1283038069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well I'm pretty sure I seen one < 1283038071 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, somewhere < 1283038077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or you're implying I'm a massive jerk :-D < 1283038080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is partly that I don't see what the point in gratuitous photos are < 1283038088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wolfram has one, but it's old, and you're a stalker. < 1283038096 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/alex_smith_bio.html < 1283038106 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody say anything Unicode, my poor Mac won't be able to cope. < 1283038107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nah, I was just wondering what Phantom_Hoover meant < 1283038109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, or that he asked permission < 1283038117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, since I did not remember that < 1283038120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if it counts or not < 1283038131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: eh? < 1283038162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, OK, I'll compensate for your crappy Googlestalking skills. < 1283038164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Interesting challenge: find a sentence in the blog post that isn't about esr in some major way. < 1283038185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far: "Still." < 1283038198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Today’s routine use of such tools wasn’t even a gleam in anyone’s eye then, if only because disks were orders of magnitude smaller and there was a lot of implied pressure to actually throw away old versions of stuff." < 1283038207 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I found it above < 1283038207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/images/alex_smith_wolfram_turing.jpg < 1283038208 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's Unicode. < 1283038209 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said < 1283038209 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prepare to suffer. < 1283038215 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, please read up :) < 1283038221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise68k: ? < 1283038229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, oh, the ironing! < 1283038231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just a c&p from the article < 1283038237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can hardly re-encode it to MacRoman for you < 1283038242 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyever not? < 1283038256 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, if I select a menu it halts all IRC output until I deselect. < 1283038257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not implemented in the client < 1283038262 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This font is ridiculously small. < 1283038269 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283038278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stable! < 1283038281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway considering license... remember IFFI. That makes the whole thing even more complex. :P < 1283038285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION disables JIT
< 1283038298 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, JIT is only marginally more stable < 1283038300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I did remember that, it was meant to be a last-case bargaining chip < 1283038304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, marginally is good < 1283038318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm I'm just pretending to be offline < 1283038323 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, right. < 1283038328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I should go actually offline, it would be nice if I got some sleep tonight < 1283038328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you really don't like talking to esr. < 1283038331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you know esr is on freenode right? < 1283038334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't mind normally < 1283038337 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blrhgl < 1283038344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just I can't think of a sensible answer to his last email < 1283038347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: said Mr. Ner. < 1283038350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not atm it seems < 1283038354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he usually is though < 1283038355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "That is illegal. Have a nice day." < 1283038373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway IFFI complicates it due to GPL3, iirc with proxy thingy too < 1283038388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, although the link code is GPL2 < 1283038397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes by special exception from author < 1283038400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that works < 1283038401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I suppose I've asked you to relicense for INTERCAL once already < 1283038424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC font options: Chicago, Courier, Geneva, Helvetica, Mishawaka, Monaco, New York, Palatino, Symbol, Times < 1283038426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So varied. < 1283038428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm? < 1283038439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should try to find an email from Google < 1283038451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, are you suggesting going GPL3? well I doubt you would get esr with you on that... and the code he wrote.... < 1283038453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A job offer? :P < 1283038461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I asked them what the license on CADIE was < 1283038466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1283038472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Google avoid comments in INTERCAL code because they slow execution) < 1283038473 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, awesome < 1283038479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did they reply? < 1283038486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yesss this has Mac OS speech in simpletext < 1283038489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fred I love you < 1283038503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1283038508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, "Victoria, High Quality" is all I remember from that < 1283038512 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as one of the voices < 1283038519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no high quality here dammit < 1283038521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm classic! < 1283038528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the "high quality" bit was not very well spoken < 1283038535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes it say "Fitter, happier, and more productive."
< 1283038540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am easily amused. < 1283038542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that voice is from classic mac os < 1283038545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :os 9 at least < 1283038559 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and what was the reply? < 1283038561 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the "the light at the end of the tunnel is the headlights of a fast approaching train" example-sentence of the "Bad News" (or some-such) voice. I fondly remember that. < 1283038561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geneva is a lovely bitmap font. < 1283038571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OS X still has that when you play the example. < 1283038575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to find it now < 1283038580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, me too... < 1283038604 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283038621 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Heh, went to iBook / Preferences / Speech; "System Voice" is indeed set to "Bad News". :p < 1283038637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, CADIE's license is "apache" < 1283038647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that's apache v2, mostly because v1 is insane < 1283038667 0 :alise68k!~alise@91.104.244.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283038670 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the OS X text-to-speech bit is not quite state-of-the-art. < 1283038690 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it isn't. < 1283038708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apache v2 is compatible with GPL3 but not GPL2 < 1283038730 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I thought it was GPL2-compatible. < 1283038779 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the OEIS doesn't have any sequences the union of which are |? < 1283038779 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, proportional IRC fonts. REBELLION < 1283038782 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/|/Z/ < 1283038790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR there was a big row about including clauses in GPL3 and Apache2 to make the two compatible < 1283038793 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Pretty sure it has N, at least. < 1283038801 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure your question is very well-defined. < 1283038804 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Union is an operation on sets. < 1283038806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: prime numbers and composite numbers? < 1283038812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the sequence that consists only of 0 and 1? < 1283038818 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's N, though < 1283038827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1283038829 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm... < 1283038833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw in -1, negative primes and negative composites < 1283038838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, what about odds and evens? < 1283038842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The GPLv3 added clauses *allowing* for certain restrictions or lack of restrictions for the sake of compatibility. < 1283038847 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think OEIS HAS negative numbers. < 1283038847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there goes the smallest boring number. < 1283038847 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1283038871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The GPLv3, BTW, is compatible with the old-style BSD license, as well. < 1283038876 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: according to The Penguin Book Of Interesting Numbers , 39 is the smallest boring natural number < 1283038879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it allows for an advertising clause) < 1283038885 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: interesting < 1283038890 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircle is so weird, having a separate window for the input line and all that. < 1283038893 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A big one, too. < 1283038895 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, advertising materials tend not to be so compatible with BSD4 < 1283038898 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, by what metric? < 1283038910 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway, while I wrote the main code on cfunge, after the point of implementing IFFI I got a few small patches from other people. Some not in here (very strange) and at least one I haven't seen on IRC for over half a year < 1283038917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have no idea how to reach < 1283038920 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircle appears to not have tab-completion of nicknames. < 1283038921 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, the book was a dictionary of interesting numbers < 1283038926 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A000027 is the natural numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, ...; A001489 is the nonpositive integers: 0, -1, -2, -3, ...; just join those. < 1283038929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, he did not want to be in credits since it was a trivial change < 1283038937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 39 wasn't there for any purpose other than being the smallest nonpositive < 1283038954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still that would complicate it further < 1283038958 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nathanieljohnston.com/2009/06/11630-is-the-first-uninteresting-number/ gives 11630 < 1283038963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could probably not change the ick exception to a new license < 1283038990 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, I agree; "just make the change and remove people's code if they complain" is not a sensible course of action < 1283038999 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm remembering once again the problem with theming. < 1283039001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll email ESR and say that at least one contributor other than me doesn't want a relicense < 1283039006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people have absolutely no taste. < 1283039022 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1283039024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I expect you have even more hard to track down people for ick itself < 1283039027 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some people just taste like chicken., < 1283039040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yep < 1283039046 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monaco at 12pt is too sparse. :( < 1283039051 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, it's just an emulated Mac. < 1283039082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.research.att.com/njas/sequences/index.html?q=0%2C1%2C-1%2C2%2C-2%2C3%2C-3&language=english < 1283039101 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Quick! What room should I go in to and ask for technical help in while mentioning I'm using Mac OS 7.6.1? :-D < 1283039108 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :( < 1283039122 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A001057 < 1283039124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise68k: I can't think of an appropriate one; #gnaa would at least be amusing < 1283039133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise68k, um... there is actually python that runs on classic mac os. But it might be PPC only < 1283039140 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise68k: ##c? < 1283039144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any channel you want to troll < 1283039149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't mind being banned from? < 1283039156 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise68k, I was about to suggest #haskell but realised that didn't run on any classic mac os < 1283039162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, Vorpal did just that in #esoteric < 1283039166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe not that specific version < 1283039171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did what? < 1283039188 0 :alise68k!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1283039200 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Find some popular and lively FirstClass BBS somewhere, ask there. < 1283039205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta love the Mac Programmer's Workshop. < 1283039208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :went into an IRC channel and asked for technical help on a relevant subject using an obsolete operating system < 1283039210 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: whatever it is that you did I'm pretty sure you did it < 1283039211 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, firstclass... *memories* < 1283039215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: #gnaa just redirects to a Freenode "NO NO NO NO NO NO NO" channel < 1283039224 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hardly surprises me < 1283039229 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, gymnasiet I studied at used first class < 1283039232 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on windows that is < 1283039233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Freenode do that? or did the GNAA themselves? I wonder < 1283039236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Topic for ##you_have_got_to_be_kidding is: Hi, you should probably read the network policy page (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#general) and maybe some information about the network (http://freenode.net/ and http://freenode.net/philosophy.shtml) and maybe find a better network ;) (http://irc.netsplit.de/networks). Thanks! < 1283039237 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked on linux too < 1283039238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Freenode < 1283039257 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, still quite different from old firstclass < 1283039262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ##you_have_got_to_be_kidding is the best page name ever < 1283039262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now I need more software to try on 68k. < 1283039265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*best channel name < 1283039266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. page. < 1283039278 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, you've got a C compiler... < 1283039285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm not installing MPW. < 1283039288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever used MPW? < 1283039288 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I used to go to fiMUG's (Finnish Mac-user community) BBS, "AppleGarden", with the Win3.1 FirstClass client. < 1283039289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pain. < 1283039290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, old < 1283039290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is PAIN. < 1283039294 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought everyone knew that < 1283039297 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I've also used firstclass... I remember someone figuring out how to send messages to the magic recipient "ALL" that literally put your message *everywhere* - in every bulletin board, in every subfolder, in every personal mailbox < 1283039299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not deny this. IT. IS. PAIN. < 1283039299 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION eats ripened ovaries
< 1283039306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I have used MPW... < 1283039308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, I didn't < 1283039309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Good ... to know ... < 1283039311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I ported ICK to it after all < 1283039313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And it was pain. < 1283039314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as MPW tools < 1283039317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, but there is a guy at the local LUG who swears by it. < 1283039319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, only works for PPC though < 1283039328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, would need reporting for 68k < 1283039329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But ... LINUX User Group... < 1283039340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, MPW is just pain. No arguments. < 1283039357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and MPW is "quaint" < 1283039360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I seem to recall he's got it set up to work with SSH. < 1283039363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And pain. < 1283039369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Um ... tell him he's crazy. < 1283039389 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ever tried that metroworks IDE for mac? < 1283039394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1283039395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, codewarrior iirc? < 1283039399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gather it's what professional developers used. < 1283039400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, know the name? < 1283039405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CodeWarrior, yeah. < 1283039411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I tried it, it is worse than MPW in C standard support < 1283039414 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1283039416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOH have you got a copy of HyperCard Myst Vorpal < 1283039424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1283039426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypothetically. < 1283039428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I have myst on a cd for mac < 1283039433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, legal < 1283039434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :original < 1283039443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, hypothetically, if some evil person didn't ask you in /msg... < 1283039443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is quite large < 1283039485 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and I have nowhere I can put it. If I could setup a hypotethical ssh tunnel to not send it over... < 1283039492 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% typos < 1283039504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, he'd have to hypothetically fiddle with his stupid router. < 1283039511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he would probably consider it. < 1283039542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well that hypothetical person would have to consider what he thinks it is worth :P < 1283039550 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and do it soon or tomorrow < 1283039561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow sounds good. :P < 1283039566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh and I have full hypercard somewhere < 1283039568 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could hypothetically just get it from one of those hypothetical peer-to-beer places. < 1283039577 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uru is playable online < 1283039581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peer-to-beer: the usual method of social interaction. < 1283039583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway I have no clue if this cd works on 68k. It came bundled with a PPC Performa < 1283039586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is it HyperCard? < 1283039587 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The one nautically themed one has a .dmg of the mac disc.) < 1283039595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If it's HyperCard, I bet I could substitute a 68k HyperCard in. < 1283039605 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well it is compiled hypercard I know < 1283039605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow @ Desktop Patterns < 1283039608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of Windows 95. < 1283039611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aw < 1283039616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be fat < 1283039621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, might be < 1283039623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1283039630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um desktop patterns... reminds me of system 7 < 1283039631 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283039636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha they have plaid < 1283039642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, screenshot? < 1283039649 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's whatever programming language that HyperCard uses like? < 1283039658 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desktop Patterns! < 1283039661 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember those! < 1283039673 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What's whatever programming language that HyperCard uses like? <-- um < 1283039678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean HyperTalk? < 1283039679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc < 1283039684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bit like AppleTalk < 1283039686 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not quite < 1283039686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://imgur.com/E7nac.png < 1283039688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Experience the PAIN. < 1283039706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, huh you could do that large repetitions < 1283039706 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Display Properties: Get your tabs workinbg < 1283039712 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you couldn't under 7.5 < 1283039717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I never used 7.6 < 1283039720 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION growls
< 1283039723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.6 is when 7 became actually good. < 1283039741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a "set arbitrary solid colour" option anywhere? Gaah. < 1283039749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dithering is weird. < 1283039763 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever classic came with (when I was really small), various subversions of 7.5, 8.5 a few times, 9.0.4 and 9.1 quite a lot < 1283039788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, go to monitor settings < 1283039794 0 :MizardX!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1283039796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and set a sane colour count < 1283039801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Millions already. < 1283039805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1283039808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the only place I can see to set a background is Desktop Patterns. < 1283039808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no clue then < 1283039811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has the dithered-solid-colours stuff. < 1283039813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that plaid is quite nice < 1283039819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't! < 1283039820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a funky kind of way < 1283039821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's awful! < 1283039828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it could be worse < 1283039835 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, replace the red with pink < 1283039837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be a hell of a lot better. < 1283039843 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be worse < 1283039853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and add complementary colours next to each other < 1283039861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be much worse < 1283039874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colours that complement each other are generally considered good to put next to each other... < 1283039893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm. Maybe I misremembered then < 1283039894 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict, Ward's Wiki people love Smalltalk < 1283039903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, it was born out of C2. < 1283039906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, no, wait < 1283039907 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I suggest some non-matching ones then < 1283039909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the project called < 1283039916 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Colors that compliment each other are also considered good to put next to each other. < 1283039922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lexnet.bravepages.com/HTMLJS.htm "Translating HyperTalk to JavaScript" < 1283039927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And force to mate. < 1283039935 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh pink, you're so bright and cheerful!" "As are you, yellow!" < 1283039954 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, surely hyperintelligent shades of blue like to do it? < 1283039967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but not with just ANY old colour. < 1283039975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, they could add tartan with the classical Scottish clan patterns