/\n\n/g; < 1281134927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/<\/p>//g; < 1281134928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that most definitely doesn't remove the newlines < 1281134930 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show pi < 1281134931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes it replace all quotes with `` < 1281134931 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh read p; if [ "x$p" = "x" ]; then p=5; fi; echo "scale=$p; a(1)*4;" | BC_LINE_LENGTH=490 bc -l | tr -d '\\' < 1281134934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I put it before your regexp, man < 1281134946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up wit dat, duude. < 1281134959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, obviously < 1281134959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, does $/ break ^ in regexp? :D < 1281134962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ matches the start of a line < 1281134967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously why? < 1281134968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1281134971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the start of a string < 1281134977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add the /m flag at the end of the regex < 1281134979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll match newlines < 1281134983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and things like "abc" at the start of

-lines that become "-starting-lines, the " gets replaced with `` < 1281135007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it works now. < 1281135105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know any nice typewriter-y fonts? Not necessarily monospaced, just the kind of thing that /looks/ typewritery/terminaly. < 1281135105 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, feel free to tell me I'm still wrong. < 1281135113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To set the monospaced portion of http://qntm.org/dropout. < 1281135151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Something actually typewriter-like? Might I recommend Courier New? < 1281135163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you're right pretty much < 1281135177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's monospaced, though; I don't particularly require monospcaed. < 1281135179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*monospaced < 1281135189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, it's like passing the parameters by reference more than by value < 1281135196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides ... Courier is nicer than Courier New. < 1281135197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, but it's actually typewriter-imitation. < 1281135204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, Courier. < 1281135224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay; now tell me of a nice pdfTeX version. :P < 1281135267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally... Is there a nice LaTeX command to set those little "break in text" flourishes used to mark mini-sections (often three stars like ***)? < 1281135273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: \usepackage{courier} < 1281135273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically with the space before and after. < 1281135275 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Eeer umm... kinda but also no. < 1281135289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: also a good description < 1281135346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Courier's apparently not merely typewriter-imitation. < 1281135358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the actual typeface that was used in most typewriters from the 50s on. < 1281135386 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were multiples, IIRC < 1281135390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courier, Elite, Orator < 1281135394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think Courier was the most common < 1281135411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Courier was the most common due to being free to use. < 1281135496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay; now how do I use courier with the verbatim environment? < 1281135512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does it automatically do that? < 1281135522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The font that is actually provided is URW Nimbus Mono (A Courier clone)." Oh, great... < 1281135547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh. < 1281135582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Terminal-y font? Maybe fixedsys? < 1281135608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, Courier is great for this. < 1281135620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any command in LaTeX for... "vskip one blank line"? Like, including line height and such? < 1281135631 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. Guess it'll just be a pain getting Courier installed right, then. < 1281135668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'll just use the imitation for now. < 1281135684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not /awful/ or anything; it's not like monospaced fonts are paragons of typographic excellence, anyway. < 1281135688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This extra space, especially when co-occurring at a page break, may contain an asterisk, three asterisks, a special stylistic dingbat, or a special symbol known as an asterism." < 1281135723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love me some asterisms < 1281135726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*asterisms. < 1281135726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterism_(typography) contains actual latex code < 1281135733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\newcommand{\asterism}{\smash{% < 1281135733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \raisebox{-.5ex}{% < 1281135733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \setlength{\tabcolsep}{-.5pt}% < 1281135733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \begin{tabular}{@{}cc@{}}% < 1281135733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \multicolumn2c*\\[-2ex]*&*% < 1281135733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \end{tabular}}}} < 1281135735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1281135744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still need that skip-one-line thing. < 1281135770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that that \asterism won't center properly. < 1281135787 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\vspace{...some length...}, i presume < 1281135800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\vskip works < 1281135806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd like it to figure out the length for me < 1281135855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is presumably some length designation for that particular length < 1281135894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1281135905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean. < 1281135924 0 :Starmage!~Guest820@200.144.24.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281135937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Starmage < 1281135939 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latex has many length designations, like em for the width of an m < 1281135943 0 :Starmage!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellow < 1281135999 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tug.org/pipermail/xetex/2010-January/015564.html is relevant to the centering < 1281136062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tug.org/pipermail/xetex/2010-January/015565.html says to delete the \smash < 1281136091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\centerline works < 1281136094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1281136114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about em, that's a standard typographical unit. < 1281136123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe there is one for "vertical space of one line, including spacing"... < 1281136259 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Communication Fail :( < 1281136336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION thinks of a name for the break, since \break is taken
< 1281136388 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjansen/latexdoc/ltx-86.html < 1281136427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\baselineskip < 1281136429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\baselineskip + \parskip or something like it < 1281136430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1281136473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, i'm not so sure < 1281136476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just line spacing + par spacing < 1281136479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the actual length of the line < 1281136482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think \textheight would do that < 1281136511 0 :Starmage!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1281136528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, and those /set/, silly < 1281136534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1281136612 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1281136691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I'm terribly confused < 1281136724 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1281136894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it working, thanks :P < 1281136903 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1281136939 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/O/ < 1281137002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sam Hughes could do with a typography lesson. < 1281137010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, Ed stories-era Sam Hughes could. < 1281137022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Fine Structure actually has proper quotes and e[nm] dashes. < 1281137138 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1281137149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...which would cause the universe as we know it to cease to exist, with potentially devastating consequences." --Ed < 1281137173 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :potentially. < 1281137231 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1281137251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why Be Here Now lists the total number of chapters in its chapter titles
< 1281137252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1281137256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, Ed is that kind of guy. < 1281137270 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's Ed? < 1281137435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/ed < 1281137444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you could wait for my super-duper nicely-typesetted one. < 1281137451 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that one of Gaiman's short stories has been made into an obscene number of films
< 1281137463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which? < 1281137474 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We Can Get Them For You Wholesale. < 1281137490 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searching for it on Youtube is ridiculous. < 1281137496 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1281137553 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that story is awesome < 1281137561 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know there was a film for it < 1281137569 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or (m)any of his others < 1281137569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281137575 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did see the bbc(?) neverwhere production < 1281137590 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, there are a mad number of student films of that one. < 1281137590 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one novel.. hell, i can't think of the name of it at the moment < 1281137594 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna say star something or other < 1281137601 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stardust? < 1281137604 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1281137613 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've become rather a fan of gaiman haha < 1281137617 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my collection should be about complete < 1281137624 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the kids books ;) < 1281137640 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still need some of the Sandman specials though < 1281137655 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *still* can't find Season of Mist. < 1281137658 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smoke and Mirrors is one of my favorite publications though < 1281137668 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been looking for *months*. < 1281137672 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just so MANY good stories in there < 1281137686 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has read Season of Mist *MWAHAHAHA*
< 1281137693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, DIE. < 1281137699 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or send me your copy. < 1281137709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say i had a _copy_ :D < 1281137715 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AA < 1281137716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read it at the library < 1281137722 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually oerjan has the original < 1281137722 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?qwork=10919118&matches=15&keyword=season+of+mists&cm_sp=works*listing*title < 1281137724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ahhhh, and now I get it," says Ed-B. Now I see why you came back and left everyone behind in your old universe." < 1281137729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed an opening quote, Sam. < 1281137739 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a number of copies starting at around $12 < 1281137743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where they presumably still has one (or two, probably at least one in norwegian and one in english) < 1281137752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have < 1281137759 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Sandman copies are that newer two-tone color cover < 1281137762 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, steal it and drop it off at the top of the Scott Monument at noon on Wednesday. < 1281137763 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the other covers better < 1281137772 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i couldn't beat the price and getting to buy them all at once < 1281137793 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda wanna buy the covers i liked and sell the other ones or something, but that'd be a pain < 1281137797 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not really all that picky about covers < 1281137836 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, gonna have to look up that youtube stuff, sounds fun < 1281137864 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do I have a horizontal scrollbar on this chat window? < 1281137879 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, FASCISM < 1281137881 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask your irc client < 1281137882 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see nothing that failed to wrap < 1281137889 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you visited the link, yes? < 1281137901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I couldn't get audio. < 1281137909 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am confused < 1281137921 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not a link that requires audio < 1281137922 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean me, individually. < 1281137937 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is however a link where you can purchase what you were looking for < 1281137937 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1281137950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what about myndzi's last link? < 1281137960 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you were talking about something else. < 1281137973 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1281137975 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it wrapped < 1281138010 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you scroll down there are some new copies for like $15 < 1281138018 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, one < 1281138024 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION buys it and goes NYAHAHAHA
< 1281138025 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1281138047 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: er, i'm not terribly interested in the book itself, if that's what you meant < 1281138058 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, UK. < 1281138061 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no it was just a guess < 1281138073 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so? i'm sure you can find someone who will ship there < 1281138078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you know the plan? < 1281138095 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like me to proxy buy one for you? < 1281138100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it involves a man and a canal in panama < 1281138133 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a man, a can, a pan < 1281138165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a man nap? < 1281138182 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a nan map? < 1281138235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madam, can adam plan a canal? < 1281138267 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adam, can madam do anal? < 1281138268 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;p < 1281138286 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i am about to leave; you can drop me a query if you decide you want to take me up on the offer < 1281138294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, NEVER < 1281138294 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'll see it later < 1281138298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/ < 1281138303 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1281138310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU! < 1281138314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1281138316 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesnt work /o/ < 1281138322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|o/ < 1281138328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_o_ < 1281138329 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         | < 1281138329 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         |\ < 1281138331 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i maek mastake /o/ < 1281138331 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                | < 1281138331 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :               /`\ < 1281138334 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is fix < 1281138412 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1281138427 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281138441 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281138444 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1281138450 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/ < 1281138450 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         | < 1281138450 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         >\ < 1281138462 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: im glad you liked my joke :D < 1281138468 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this what you were hunting for? a man, a plan, a canal: panama < 1281138476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone read Ed stories? I know pikhq and Sgeo have. < 1281138495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: hunting? we were already dismembering the body < 1281138499 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/ _o_ |o| \o\ < 1281138499 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |   |   |   | < 1281138499 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |\ /|   >\ /| < 1281138502 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't see it < 1281138511 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I lost a line < 1281138543 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ram a lack ok, calamari! < 1281138582 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1281138641 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :armadillo, rama lama ding dong < 1281138752 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1281138801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``I wanna go to Andromeda,'' says Ed, rotating the ship to point < 1281138801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :towards an extraordinarily distant blob of light. < 1281138802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :``We can't go to Andromeda,'' I remind him sternly. < 1281138804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lulz, lampshading. < 1281138822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION read the Ed stories earlier this year and alise is probably to blame for it
< 1281138831 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1281138838 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1281138944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I told you to read them. So, yeah. < 1281138957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Either you didn't like them, or you just wanted to make me feel bad. :P < 1281138960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrt "blame") < 1281138998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :false dichomoty! < 1281139002 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tomy < 1281139079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so what's the true option? :P < 1281139104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, do you know the variable to adjust to stop -- from appearing at the start of a line? < 1281139106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ugly. < 1281139125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a way to make it disable ligatures when stretching text would be nice. Ha ha, only kidding, I've read the microtype docs, TeX sucks enough that that's impossible. < 1281139131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they were all right, and was joking < 1281139321 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, best I can come up with: eyes TAC at a cats eye < 1281139469 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thick catseye stack chit ? < 1281139510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eye stack late talk cats eye < 1281139539 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1281139807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have typeset the Ed stories up to the end of Spacéd; the typography is not perfect, but pretty damn good, and I'd appreciate any comments. pikhq, Sgeo? < 1281139811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give you a PDF if you want. < 1281139824 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Email? < 1281139834 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is going to start tutoring soon
< 1281139838 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, a few min < 1281139857 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, a few seconds actually < 1281139884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me guess; you're teaching C# to somebody online. < 1281139898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without, of course, considering whether knowing something is truly equal to being able to teach it ... < 1281140062 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he's mostly reading a book (not one that I suggested, one that he chose) and I can answer any questions, etc. etc. < 1281140076 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, technical difficulties right now :/ < 1281140104 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1281140128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few things are lost when converting the Ed stories to dead tree format... < 1281140133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the lovely little links back everywhere. < 1281140175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION starts envisioning some system of threads embedded in books for linking
< 1281140366 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, any chance of an ePub version? < 1281140416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why bother? I am doing this for the typography. < 1281140434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about ereaders that don't respect typography, i.e. all of them, apart from the ones with a PDF reader. < 1281140455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When this is done, if I get permission from Sam I'll publish it on Lulu in the highest-quality hardback they offer. < 1281140470 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we need to tunnel TeX-over-IRC < 1281140538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is so easy; my converter basically lets me paste the HTML in and it spits out LaTeX. < 1281140550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add chapter titles, wrap lines for my convenience, replace breaks with \pbreak, remove links... that's about it. < 1281140554 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1281140559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is there any difference between \emph{c} and $c$? < 1281140597 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] < 1281140819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aargh, Sam Hughes uses ONE em-dash in a chapter where every other dash is ens -- not even ens, just "-". < 1281140830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I meant to RESPECT that crazy, CRAZY wish? < 1281140855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will interpret it as meaning that all breaks in conversation, in quotes, should be em-dashes. < 1281141239 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't Sam once rant about Lulu? < 1281141470 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1281141783 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1281142045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Perhaps. I don't know. < 1281142106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?q=lulu&sitesearch=qntm.org < 1281142108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1281142122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ed stories" is a surprisingly long book. < 1281142148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to the end of the first chapter of The End Of The Game, it's 107 pages. < 1281142454 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://qntm.org/faq < 1281142468 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't reference Lulu by name, just as "self-publishing" < 1281142489 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, major FS spoilers near that question < 1281142544 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://pastie.org/private/chm2vxv8ylymbkzvu4qebq wthout the spoilers. You're just going to have to believe me that that's what it says < 1281142822 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you still there, or did I traumatize you? < 1281142835 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716] < 1281142970 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1281143073 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1281143099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, it's a pretty fucking stupid remark. < 1281143106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lulu isn't "self-publishing", it's self-printing. < 1281143120 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1281143124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that answer is very assholish for Sam. < 1281143124 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference >.> < 1281143149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Self-publishing is like PublishAmerica. Self-printing is just: you give them the PDF, the near-bitmap (well, vector) of what you fucking want on the page, and they supply the hardback. < 1281143158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gutenberg over TCP/IP. There's nothing disrespectful about that. < 1281143162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing loser-y. < 1281143176 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deja Vu < 1281143178 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Severe Deja Vu < 1281143210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1281143236 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the Gutenberg comment, watching someone play the game, and tutoring this person < 1281143241 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I've done exactly this before < 1281143275 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1281143313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. You haven't. < 1281143327 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intellectually, I know that < 1281143546 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1281143717 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h175.23.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281143884 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1281143887 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR < 1281143952 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onomatopoeia Reduction < 1281143961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!simpleacro < 1281143964 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SKBKNFZB < 1281143987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexy Klingons Bonking Knaves Nightly, Fucking Zaphod's Beetles. < 1281144015 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1281144026 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: interesting analysis. < 1281144096 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Smalltalk > CSharp) ifFalse: [ Transcript show: 'Liar!' ] < 1281144140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Wanna take on a menial job for me? You'll get recognition in the colophon, which is what you like to be paid in, right? :P < 1281144147 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1281144155 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colophon? < 1281144201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The little bit in small, centred text at the start of a book that tells you what typeface it uses and the copyright notes and everything. < 1281144207 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1281144214 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what the menial job is < 1281144219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd put you on the Thanks page, except I don't think I should put my thanks on other people's novels. < 1281144221 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk ifTooMuchExpressionification [exit] < 1281144250 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+: < 1281144251 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet, you forgot a : < 1281144255 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1281144262 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1281144270 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad blocks can't be messages, afaik < 1281144272 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much expressionification is fine in a language, but it better be terse. < 1281144274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Read my beautifully-typeset (but-not-quite-perfectly!) production of the Ed stories, and tell me every time you see a short dash - like -, not -- - in "something a character is saying, as if their speech was broken off-". The exact quote would be nice, but chapter is fine too. < 1281144288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will be no long -- dashes until the later paragraphs, which should make it a whole lot easier. < 1281144302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a bonus, you get to gawp over my wonderful typesetting. :P < 1281144315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: It's 130 pages. < 1281144315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it easy to just search for -? < 1281144324 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should name Humanistic Conceit < 1281144338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: wat < 1281144341 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the typeface, I assume) < 1281144347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Except that outside "speech", it /should/ be -. < 1281144361 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so this will be incredibly easy < 1281144370 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need to use my humanness < 1281144398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, I'm actually doing it manually. < 1281144405 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I was suggesting a name for any conceited typefaces you might make. < 1281144405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry, I'll find you another menial task you can do for recognition! < 1281144411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Ah. < 1281144425 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conceited typeface? < 1281144428 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though fungot tends to be better at this sort of thing. < 1281144429 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: moral heroism, on the contrary, have omitted no pains to instruct them, blame them for giving ear to the demagogue who took pains to delude them? we must have nomination at gatton because we have launched our ship with a reconciled spirit, and have maintained that the resistance of power, and of the surrounding region. the security, which it is impossible not to observe, that the speaker must infallibly come back t < 1281144657 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1281144671 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel as though I am perhaps insane. < 1281144771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So, want to take a look at the draft version? < 1281144804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it's all the alien spider goblins' fault! < 1281144808 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I.. guess < 1281144835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: GOOD! MWAHAHAHA SLAVE http://filebin.ca/fxgocj/ed.pdf < 1281144859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I included "Free, Standing" as an epilogue. It works well. < 1281144935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything works well when you have balls the size of planets. < 1281145010 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't there a table of contents? < 1281145034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because novels shouldn't have tables of contents. < 1281145039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hyuk hyuk hyuk < 1281145064 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....since when did #esoteric become #typography < 1281145069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three minutes ago. < 1281145083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: it was inevitable, really. < 1281145120 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm. I guess? I have absolutely no interest in typography. < 1281145161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have said. < 1281146268 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1281146416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1281146473 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h35.30.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281147523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: any comments on ed.pdf? < 1281147555 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so special about typesetting? < 1281147560 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It all just looks like text < 1281147573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to ask some questions ... but never mind. < 1281147585 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were those questions? < 1281147605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the page-big part headings are such a good idea; I think Be Here Now, for instance, should be lead into naturally, not announced. But then I can't see how to make that consistent with the other parts, which aren't named in their chapter titles. < 1281147614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you're not even seeing the point of typesetting, erm, never mind. < 1281147647 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes text look pretty, I guess? < 1281147679 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you got it. < 1281147691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No, he hasn't. < 1281147789 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, barring any sort of pretension < 1281147799 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic idea of typography is to make visually appealing type. < 1281147821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not true < 1281147823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has never been true < 1281147859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic idea of typography is to make /readable/ type, to the finest degree possible: this ends up being visually appealing to get your mind into a consistent reading rhythm in accordance with the whitespace, etc. < 1281147888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, if you -- subconsciously -- flag anything as looking "awkward", even if you don't realise it, it jarrs just a little, and all those jars add up. Leaving the door ajar. I'm very, very tired. < 1281147910 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. There's the functional aspect of typography. That's why calligraphic typefaces usually are not good for large volumes of text < 1281147915 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data, SLEEP < 1281147921 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they're visually appealing. < 1281147933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: yes < 1281147939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you hated typography :) < 1281147949 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean I don't know anything about it. :) < 1281147958 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hate is too strong. I don't hate fields of study. < 1281147978 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just personally would not devote serious amounts of time to it. < 1281148089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interests are a bit arbitrary. < 1281148106 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. I like fucking cows, for instance. < 1281148133 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if I could save the world with typography I would devote some time to it < 1281148146 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a world peace treaty that's so well set, no one could possibly refuse. < 1281148147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can save the world by fucking cows? < 1281148164 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the saving-the-world condition is only valid for typography < 1281148167 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for interests in general. < 1281148183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile: < 1281148184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:52:54 fizzie: i like cows < 1281148185 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: dr. rutherford ( middlesex, brentford) rose to move as an amendment, that the nation ought to be fnord had a great battle which arrested the armies of france or austria. if his happiness coincides with the desires, of any state in the presence of dost mahomed. then came a notification that dost mahomed would not make his appearance there. in the garrets was his library, a large and growing party in the nation; and for th < 1281148228 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1281148235 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot astounds me with each sentence. < 1281148236 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: froissart, character of the scotch universities. war with china, the. < 1281148266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1281148266 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches* ss wp youtube < 1281148271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1281148271 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1281148273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: duck butts < 1281148273 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: cool. does anyone know of any way to connect < 1281148275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :�It basically func- < 1281148275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tions like a trapdoor ten seconds forwards in time. Nothing can come back the < 1281148275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other way – that would result in an ešect preceding a cause, which would cause the < 1281148275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1920 CHAPTER 7. THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD < 1281148275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :universe as we know it to cease to exist, with potentially devastating consequences. < 1281148286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That copied badly, but yes? < 1281148298 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the - < 1281148303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I like that line < 1281148308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already quoted the universe-ceasing-to-exist part ;P < 1281148324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you don't have the new version with the em dashes, I see. < 1281148341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: However, I realised that what I said isn't quite true. < 1281148349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- is correct when surrounded by spaces. < 1281148354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be -- when speech is being cut off or resumed. < 1281148354 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth is overrated. < 1281148358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, I will upload the newest PDF for you. < 1281148367 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1281148378 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: are you getting free labor out of Sgeo? o_o I find this amazing. < 1281148385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You sure do appreciate my work. < 1281148393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: No, I did it all myself instead. But yes: credit him and he'll do anything. < 1281148402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like currency, but FREE! < 1281148405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://filebin.ca/jvtunb/ed.pdf < 1281148421 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't wanna lost my place :( < 1281148436 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you win the Nobel Prize for me I'll credit you. < 1281148443 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a < 1281148463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Note the page number. < 1281148477 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it would be interesting if there was only one nobel prize... like a wrestling championship belt. < 1281148494 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every year the champion had to out-academic the contestor. < 1281148657 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: if you can devise a typeface that is composed of fractals then I will be intrigued. < 1281148679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: That's not hard. < 1281148697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just find some fractals that look like letters; I'm sure there's some sufficiently generic meta-fractal you could supply parameters to to get that. < 1281148703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even just warping an existing fractal. < 1281148704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1281148706 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well neither am I, thanks to your mom. :) < 1281148722 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAM < 1281149040 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1281149499 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there's already a design for replacement red blood cells that are so much more efficient that if you replaced your red blood cells with them, you could hold your breath for four hours. We just can't build them. Yet." < 1281149793 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281150031 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h55.53.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281150121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: source? < 1281150164 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://digitalkingdom.org/robin/tiki-index.php?page=My+Views+On+The+Future < 1281150325 0 :SevenInchBread!~adam@h178.10.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281150412 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1281150624 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281150677 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wrote PipeTeX, I want you to please see this program http://sprunge.us/USOE < 1281151461 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you have any suggestions < 1281151485 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It might be difficult to figure out without a printout) < 1281152001 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want my character to eat your arm, and then fix it, and then pay you back double (because east pays/receives double)? < 1281152040 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or would you rather learn to stand on the ceiling in a different language? < 1281152057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reads
< 1281152082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that you are crazy. < 1281152098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I am in awe. I think. < 1281152105 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Perhaps I am crazy, but is that sufficiently relevent? < 1281152118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrt that paste, yes. < 1281152119 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1281152146 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK. < 1281152178 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any suggestions or anything like that, having to do with the program? < 1281152205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really, I'm afraid. < 1281152390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows has named pipes? < 1281152400 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people might say Don Knuth is also a bit crazy, and perhaps it is? < 1281152419 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I don't think a single person in this room is _sane_, so.. < 1281152428 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, Windows has named pipes, but you have to use the system call CreateNamedPipe and ConnectNamedPipe it is a server/client program. < 1281152436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dust Jacket Hardcover: A book bound in navy blue linen with a full-color dust jacket. < 1281152437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case Casewrap Hardcover: Full-color, glossy cover; no dust jacket. < 1281152438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1281152489 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But they are all in a directory called \\.\pipe or in \Device\NamedPipe in the NT object manager. (If you have the "ddd" program I wrote, you can make a list of named pipes by typing "ddd z: \Device\NamedPipe" and then "dir z:") < 1281152504 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION barely knows what a named pipe is
< 1281152518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, why not use regular pipes for this? < 1281152549 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because it has to go on both sides < 1281152554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ping < 1281152645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if zzo38 is an Order of the Stick fan
< 1281152662 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1281152941 0 :Warrigal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1281152957 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do you think this program is understandable better with a printout?) < 1281152966 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know if its possible to install linux onto a partition without using a CD? < 1281153039 0 :Warrigal!~Warrigal@rrcs-70-63-156-144.midsouth.biz.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281153058 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Probably it is possibly in some way? < 1281153062 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Sure, there are USB installs. < 1281153071 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Plus if you have Windows, there are installs you can do that boot from Windows. < 1281153104 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha hm < 1281153149 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1281153152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF WTF WTF < 1281153159 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe I didn't notice until just now < 1281153175 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pharo uses, for its default font for code, a non-monospaced font < 1281153179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who DOES that? < 1281153203 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Pharo? < 1281153203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how much that subconsiously elicited some opinion about Smalltalk
< 1281153213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, a .. Smalltalk thingy. A fork of Squeak < 1281153568 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like to learn about Forth programming? < 1281153632 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Forth, you can lets say, to define conditions. The IF must jump to the corresponding THEN if the condition is not true, but IF is read first, so we must put a mark in there. We can make a helping word: : ORIG HERE 0 , ; < 1281153652 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now: : IF` 0=GOTO` ORIG ; : THEN` HERE SWAP ! ; < 1281153781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I found out the Horror behind Memoir. < 1281153782 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do ELSE it will be the IF jumps to ELSE if false, but ELSE jumps to THEN regardless. Since the jumps will be in the switched around order ( [IF [ELSE] THEN] ) we can do it like: : ELSE` GOTO` ORIG SWAP THEN` ; < 1281153791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why do you need a monospaced font for code? < 1281153799 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: What is the Horror behind Memoir? < 1281153816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It won't automatically resize the page layout if you change the dimensions! Aaagh! < 1281153819 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ... it's what everyone's used to. I guess it makes more sense for Python than anything else < 1281153842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... Why Python?! < 1281153847 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-monospaced fonts are better for prettyprinted programs, such as web program. < 1281153850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, /nobody/ is used to Smalltalk. < 1281153865 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For loops, we need BEGIN ... AGAIN and BEGIN ... UNTIL and BEGIN ... WHILE ... REPEAT < 1281153891 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Smalltalk being the first language I've seen non-monospaced code in made me have an artificially high opinion of it < 1281153892 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The beginning of a loop does nothing, it is just a marker for the repeat part to jump back to, thus: : BEGIN` HER ; < 1281153899 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: BEGIN` HERE ; < 1281153939 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The AGAIN just jumps back: : AGAIN` GOTO` , ; < 1281153989 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For UNTIL it is like AGAIN but we repeat until the condition is true, that is, repeat if the condition is false: : UNTIL` 0=GOTO` , ; < 1281154007 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHILE is just like IF: : WHILE` IF` ; < 1281154060 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REPEAT at the end of a BEGIN ... WHILE loop is just repeat back to the beginning (unconditionally), but again the IF blocks are in backward order, thus: : REPEAT` SWAP AGAIN` THEN` ; < 1281154064 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Forth is so simple. < 1281154077 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion? < 1281154089 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, non-monospacing makes it harder to see . and : < 1281154140 0 :sshc_!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1281154145 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Perhaps if you want non-monospacing you can also prettyprint it like Enhanced CWEB does for C programs. (For Smalltalk, you would have to do it differently, though) < 1281154235 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1281154336 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Call me when this test fails, I want your machine" < 1281154493 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What test do you mean? < 1281154504 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sz := 1024*1024*1024*1024. < 1281154504 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : self should:[Array new: sz] raise: OutOfMemory. < 1281155016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest version of Ed stories: http://filebin.ca/mjced/ed.pdf < 1281155047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should eat something soonish
< 1281155130 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Eat your arm and then make a spell to fix it? (O no, you are not that kind of monster in D&D) < 1281155216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch, on page 64: "He'd" that looks like "Hed" with a ' on top. < 1281155218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs more spacing. < 1281155303 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sshc < 1281155723 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I need to add some more spacing between fucks of your mother. < 1281155730 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's getting kind of ridiculous < 1281155735 0 :SevenInchBread!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CakeProphet < 1281155757 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet is writing this WHILE having sex with your mother, y'know. < 1281155768 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's like the fourth time today, so it's painful ... and spongy. < 1281155823 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah I just inject meth directly into my penis < 1281155827 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I never orgasm. < 1281155849 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so painful, yes. But not spongy. < 1281155875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/rabery/ed.pdf < 1281155901 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The @@@o command (look up "Command o" in the index) can be used to measure the minimum width that a paragraph can fit into. < 1281155938 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is something that I believe TeX does not have built in, and that there is no way to do it using the built-in commands) < 1281155951 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the context of that command, I am a paragraph and your mom is what I'm fitting into. < 1281155984 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: Do you mean *my* mom? I don't think so. < 1281155996 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1281156007 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am referring to the Platonic ideal "your mom" < 1281156013 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the essence of the idea. < 1281156017 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet: O, OK. < 1281156020 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1281156032 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Platonic ideal your mom just happens to be a milf. < 1281156061 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are talking about Platonic ideals about "your mom" I suppose we do not have to worry about it < 1281156353 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what kind of creature my D&D character is and what kind of spell they have that nobody else would ever think of using? < 1281156411 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, how many things did Smalltalk invent o.O < 1281156435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windowed GUIs, IDEs, and unit testing?!?!? < 1281156471 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Did it? Anything else? < 1281156498 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[I think Windowed GUIs might be overly broad] < 1281156505 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, OOP, obviously < 1281156579 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Object-oriented programming, as well as various other things that some people have heard of and other things that nobody has every heard of, has been done a lot in Forth, too, they are nothing new, Forth already can do all of these things and more, you just to implement them using simple codes like the examples I posted above (in this IRC) < 1281156700 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some of the documentation of PipeTeX could be improved a bit, I might do so in the next version, as well as adding additional commands) < 1281157130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish my computer was fast enough to do HD. < 1281157140 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disconnecting in 4min < 1281157142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ForthTeX < 1281157172 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That is idea! < 1281157248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{\sf FORTH}\TeX}\ForthTeX\def < 1281157267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{Introduction to the \ForthTeX manual}\mychapterthing < 1281157300 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You mean like a stack based where each {} is an entry on the stack? < 1281157314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{...} is basically a quoting command < 1281157322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\foo precedes commands, non-commands are "printed" basically < 1281157336 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps then you also need instead of \ForthTeX put a different kind of symbol meaning by name instead of by value? < 1281157339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can pretend that \sf is like a forth word that "reads a bunch of text" and sets it in sans-serif, up to the next { or \ < 1281157350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you're probably right < 1281157351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you do < 1281157353 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: O, OK. < 1281157357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{\sf FORTH}\TeX}\def\ForthTeX < 1281157362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be more like Forth < 1281157363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even < 1281157373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\def\ForthTex {\sf FORTH}\TeX \end < 1281157378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is exactly like forth < 1281157385 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, it is more like how Forth does it < 1281157388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\: \ForthTex {\sf FORTH}\TeX \; % you see where I'm going with this < 1281157394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that would be pretty darn cool... < 1281157406 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, in Forth you can change things around to work in many different ways < 1281157518 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that last example, { and } would be commands to enter and exit a group to save information, so that \sf switches the font of the current group, and } put thing from the group back how it was before, you could have it like a stack, and then copy information alloted at the HERE mark and move it ahead, so that then you move it back afterward, that is one way. < 1281157546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1281157548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\begin < 1281157548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hello, world! < 1281157548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \n\@ \1 \+ \n\! < 1281157548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\n \10 \< \until < 1281157560 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1281157562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably \[integer] would just push [integer]. < 1281157580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the louf typesetting system is slightly similar to this. Not really, though; it's more functional than stack. < 1281157618 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, that would be how it does. And then \begin and \until inside of a definition like Forth, are just immediate words to keep track of the addresses for jumping back to, and so on < 1281157663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1281157666 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you would need \n\@ \10 \< < 1281157677 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Otherwise you are comparing it with the address of \n) < 1281157696 0 :bsmntbombdood_!~gavin@174-16-95-127.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281157727 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think TeX is a pretty good typesetting system, however there are some weaknesses which is why I wrote PipeTeX. < 1281157782 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although, there are other ways as well, such as e-TeX, EncTeX, MLTeX, LuaTeX, XeTeX, LaTeX, and so on) < 1281157797 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wrote PipeTeX instead. < 1281157838 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that you can use it even with later verions of TeX, possibly, too. < 1281157841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your TeX will almost certainly include e-TeX. < 1281157875 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1281157905 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You might be right about that. Still, I don't know about what things e-TeX actually does. < 1281157934 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with PipeTeX, I can make a paragraph box with the minimum width that it will fit, if I want to. < 1281157969 0 :deathmoniac!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1281158034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e-TeX just tweaks some stuff and adds some built-in commands. < 1281158043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're probably using it without realising it < 1281158044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it. < 1281158114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5am < 1281158116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta sleep smetime < 1281158117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sometime < 1281158223 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck wont usb-creator-gtk use a goddamn minimal iso >_< < 1281158287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION returneth
< 1281158477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: use unetbootin < 1281158484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me, it's a lot more pleasant < 1281158530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God it's nice having things to *go* to. < 1281159007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make me sleep ghost of sgeo < 1281159026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: NETE < 1281159035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1281159039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLEEP < 1281159277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but- < 1281159280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only /just/ brightened < 1281159304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay but < 1281159307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i leave you with this < 1281159308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/rabery/ed.pdf < 1281159328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you will possibly enjoy the viewing of this memoir-typesetting of a sam hughes story. < 1281159341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, ed. < 1281159349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeppers < 1281159353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typeset the nicest i can < 1281159357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comments on a postcard or to the logs < 1281159360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye! < 1281159363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1281159365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1281159368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nicely done. < 1281159597 0 :cal153!~cal@static-216-18-6-116.gtcust.grouptelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281159864 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1281160084 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281160452 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww bye alise :( < 1281160548 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUST ... WRITE ... MICROCOSM ... VFS ... < 1281160563 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1281160599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives Gregor a time injection
< 1281160616 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: http://codu.org/projects/microcosm/ < 1281160624 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An insane project that AnMaster and pikhq forced me to start. < 1281160638 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a time injection sounds like something from dr who < 1281160640 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started it under the condition that I wouldn't have to do this shit. < 1281160641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We like insanity. < 1281160642 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1281160659 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i dont get it < 1281160661 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever < 1281160663 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt matter < 1281160663 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1281160674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit busy trying to prevent myself from becoming a complete hikikomori ATM, so. :P < 1281160740 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other ways to combine Forth with TeX, as well. One idea is, add a \forth command to TeX, which means switch into Forth mode (TeX's eyes no longer see the file), and it is processed by Forth, until Forth executes a [TEX] command to switch back. It would normally be a outer command, so things like \def\xyz{\forth 1 3 + . [TEX]} will just make \xyz to expand as "1 3 + . [TEX]" and then switch to Forth mode the next time TeX's eyes would < 1281160903 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then have ASSIGN-GULLET ASSIGN-STOMACH ASSIGN-INTESTINES to define TeX control sequences with functions of Forth codes assigned to them to work in that part of the processing < 1281160966 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1281160996 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then TEX-HOOK to hook various parts of the processing of TeX < 1281161254 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you could include a file of Forth codes by typing \expandafter\forth\input < 1281162368 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281162858 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281163721 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1281164830 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1281165193 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281165271 0 :Gregor-P!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1281165337 0 :MizardX!~MizardX@unaffiliated/mizardx JOIN :#esoteric < 1281165593 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-46-103.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1281165775 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281165781 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281166557 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281167665 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1281167672 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1281167692 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1281167707 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1281167907 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281167999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1281168000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1281168380 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1281171205 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1281171892 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1281172185 0 :cal153!~cal@static-216-18-6-116.gtcust.grouptelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281172479 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1281174752 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1281174785 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281175162 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281175167 0 :lifthrasiir!OeyNFeDn@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1281175322 0 :ronnie!~ronnie@CPE00119575c685-CM001404962f58.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281175515 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281175550 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281175559 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281175565 0 :ronnie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1281175854 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@m-131.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1281176411 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281176425 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281176912 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1281177769 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1281177905 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@92.233.174.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281178418 0 :CakeProphet!~adam@h11.46.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281178685 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1281178853 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281178907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CakeProphet! < 1281179538 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1281180127 0 :CakeProphet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1281180320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, where did you leave it? < 1281180423 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reboot < 1281180614 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1281181653 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1281183125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost marble < 1281183208 0 :AnMaster!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1281184315 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@80-123-38-87.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1281184330 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1281184387 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that it would take over 333 days to read all of Schlock Mercenary on Archive Binge's fastest setting.
< 1281185562 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281186084 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1281186139 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@nat-wireless-guest-reg-158-122.bu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1281186343 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-82.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281186487 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1281186488 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: maybe one could name kim deal, too. < 1281186496 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1281186496 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1281186507 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld < 1281186507 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books) < 1281186509 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1281186509 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ' most people do,' said < 1281186847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Said who? < 1281186848 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there was a short man in a suit of armour. there was a pulse there, but that's only because he wants to show he's willing. very willing lad, brutha." < 1281187258 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716] < 1281187383 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.239.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281190680 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281192952 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1281193442 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] < 1281194196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the subject of urgency < 1281194645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, memoir really sucks in one way. < 1281194902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memoir? < 1281195197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only LaTeX document class that matters. < 1281195216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does books, articles, memos, notes, poetry, ... < 1281195256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its manual is a veritable tome of knowledge; a complete book with beautiful little miniatures of various page layouts and the corresponding code, and such. It contains much history about typography and information on why you might want to do things certain ways, but also includes all the information you need to completely change the entire page layout, just using memoir's commands. < 1281195265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also backwards-compatible with the article class and probably others. < 1281195305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing that sucks about it is that if you use a non-standard paper size, I don't think it has a way to automatically "scale" the proportions of a built-in page layout for a similar size, down to fit your page. < 1281195314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to specify all the values manually, which is... not easy if you're not good at that. < 1281195865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: \enlargethispage{3\baselineskip} % is this considered okay if i have e.g. an epilogue which i want to fit on one page rather than having a few dangling lines on the next page? < 1281195905 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Wellllllll it's really a hack and not very nice to do that but I guess you could get away with it < 1281195913 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you don't want to solve it this second < 1281195930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: can't really be solved; the only thing i could do is make the "chapter" heading appear higher on the page < 1281195935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not certain how to do that with memoir < 1281195946 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: \usepackage{fullpage} :)))))))) < 1281195954 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\usepackage{savetrees} < 1281195963 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already committed such a sin once, anyway: < 1281195970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\enlargethispage{2\baselineskip} < 1281195970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\enlargethispage{2\parskip} < 1281195970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\pbreak < 1281195987 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear lord just use the above packages you will not be disappointed < 1281195987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make the \pbreak (basically a centred \asterism with some space around it) fit on the end of the page, rather than the beginning of the next page. < 1281195992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: nothx < 1281195994 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use *one of the above packages < 1281195995 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1281195997 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not???? < 1281196005 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y do u h8 on savetrees < 1281196007 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you not like trees < 1281196014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate trees and i like whitespace :) < 1281196024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The goal of the savetrees package is to pack as much text as possible onto each page < 1281196024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A < 1281196025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a L TEX document. Admittedly, this makes the document far less attractive." < 1281196026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even they admit it! < 1281196044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"• At most two authors are listed. The remainder are replaced by “et al.”" < 1281196045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, that's EVIL! < 1281196047 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1281196054 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1281196065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, savetrees is like a tree nazi < 1281196067 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\usepackage{fullpage} < 1281196072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DECREASE! EVERYTHING!" < 1281196091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: but dammit, I like my whitespace :) < 1281196101 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just uses a full page < 1281196105 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't do other things < 1281196105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: anyway i'm not fucking greatly with layout until I figure out how to get memoir working with a smaller size < 1281196110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\usepackage[oneletterperpage]{killallthestupidtrees} < 1281196121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but memoir purposefully pushes the chapter headings down < 1281196125 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hahaha < 1281196128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for aesthetic reasons < 1281196134 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm aware < 1281196144 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How about you just ignore it for now < 1281196145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: you got any idea how to give memoir a custom paper size and give it one of its default layouts and tell it "go scale"? < 1281196153 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1281196155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too scared to define my own values, the default ones are fine < 1281196156 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to do that < 1281196157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: dammit < 1281196160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: i do though :) < 1281196164 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you don't < 1281196169 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're going to care about aesthetics < 1281196185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care about aesthetics; I'm just not very good at specifying arbitrary values like that. < 1281196196 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They aren't arbitrary < 1281196196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what trim paper size does The Quadrescence Press use? :P < 1281196208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're arbitrary to me, though; i.e. i just see a number box < 1281196215 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they are to you < 1281196217 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they aren't < 1281196235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course, I agree. < 1281196236 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: finish your document in its entirety then worry about this stuff < 1281196241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: it is finished < 1281196249 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay, do you want to send it to me < 1281196256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :D < 1281196257 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want me to screw with it < 1281196264 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I c. < 1281196275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellll okay but I reserve the right to then screw with it again completely < 1281196298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just yet another typesetting of someone else's work because I am ~not cool enough to write~ < 1281196306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tars it up
< 1281196310 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1281196326 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would tell you exactly what to do, it's just hard for "visual things" < 1281196331 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like visual basic < 1281196342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1281196366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: do you have the Minion Pro package installed? < 1281196377 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1281196384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1281196389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/wohxwx/ed.tar < 1281196392 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god you're using minion < 1281196398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pdflatex ed.tex", etc. < 1281196401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: is that a bad thing? :D < 1281196408 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1281196413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(( < 1281196417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been playing with other typefaces for it < 1281196427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minion is just my fallback so I don't have to look at computer modern when tweaking stuff < 1281196434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's wrong with minion? < 1281196453 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with CM? < 1281196473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not exactly ideal for long prose, like all didone/modern typefaces imo < 1281196485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more to the point, what's wrong with minion? < 1281196527 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing is ``wrong'' with it, I just don't really like when people use it. I mean, it's a pretty OK typeface, maybe it's that Wolfram Research uses it < 1281196561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I wasn't aware that Wolfram used it. < 1281196573 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the kerning of some characters is weird < 1281196578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: otoh, bringhurst uses it < 1281196595 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure a lot of people do because it makes them Hip and Different < 1281196601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, kerning is pissing me off right now; TeX is stupid enough that microtype suffers, because you can't disable kerning selectively properly < 1281196607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only when it's needed and shit) < 1281196631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minion makes you Hip and Different? gee, I really don't hang out in the kind of places where I'd find that kind of information :P < 1281196634 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: did you try \usepackage[bitstream]{mathdesign} < 1281196640 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the package < 1281196648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike bitstream fonts < 1281196669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX Gyre Schola or whatever they're calling it these days -- the New Century Schoolbook-based one -- worked okay < 1281196704 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You dislike the fonts in the package I suggested? < 1281196737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably [bitstream] is the Bitstream Vera fonts? < 1281196746 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, definitely not < 1281196751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually got mathdesign installed, it seems; I'll rectify that. < 1281196754 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitstream Vera is not my cup of tea < 1281196766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: Huh; I wonder which then. < 1281196779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitstream don't have any other Free with a capital E fonts afaik. < 1281196795 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1281196798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Documents/ed$ aptitude search mathdesign < 1281196798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Documents/ed$ < 1281196800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffff < 1281196807 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\usepacakge[charter]{mathdesign} < 1281196811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah bitstream charter < 1281196832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bitstream Charter is a typeface optimized for printing on the low-resolution 300 dpi laser printers of the 1980s." xP < 1281196847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blurgh; I need to isntall mathdesign now < 1281196857 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can think of alternatives < 1281196858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, no, wait < 1281196862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use the charter package < 1281196893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: unacceptable; doesn't have Greek < 1281196899 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1281196900 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1281196908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: I can't find file `grmn1200'. -- oh, do I need to delete the .aux crap? < 1281196913 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :texlive-fonts-extra in ubuntu has mathdesign.sty. < 1281196929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Greek for exactly one letter, heh: < 1281196935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I was expecting orange light to fall across us as < 1281196935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we arrived in the {\greektext e}Eri system at a relative speed small < 1281196935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to make it appear that we were at a standstill." < 1281196955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: well, it certainly isn't telling me it has greek < 1281196960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even after rming the aux files < 1281196998 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well remove the \greekletter crap right now then which is probably specific to the minion package anyway < 1281197042 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it compiled for me with mathdesign < 1281197043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: no it is not < 1281197046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the babel package < 1281197047 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for textssc < 1281197054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the standard way to do these things ... < 1281197061 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe scc, i don't remember < 1281197083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't now of babel, really? < 1281197095 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of babel, I just don't typeset greek < 1281197102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xP < 1281197187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: what latex font do you think is the most similar to georgia? < 1281197192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the original typeface the text was set in < 1281197222 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um charter is kind of close < 1281197272 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fouriernc? < 1281197290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear: none of these have Greek. < 1281197301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe math-mode Greek, but not actual-text Greek. < 1281197327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX Gyre Schola is better than New Century Schoolbook so tgschola > fouriernc < 1281197341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a pretty close match, Georgia is just ... plumper and less serify. Damn, I need to learn the terminology. < 1281197393 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you just use Georgia with xelatex? < 1281197427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :georgia is designed for screen and, I dunno, I've never liked XeLaTeX much < 1281197446 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try \usepackage{kerkis}? < 1281197467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: LaTeX Error: File `kerkis.sty' not found. < 1281197478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to find what texlive package it's in; sigh < 1281197485 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload the pdf < 1281197489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1281197490 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can look before you go check it out < 1281197496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/textssc/textsc/ btw if not using minion < 1281197536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, it's based on Bookman? skeptical, but ok < 1281197546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX Gyre Bonum is probably better < 1281197550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as Bookmans go < 1281197551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll see < 1281197558 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.file-pasta.com/file/0/ed.pdf < 1281197604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that capital E is /freaky/ < 1281197623 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha quit looking at the giant E at the start < 1281197628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1281197633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: i'm going to try xelatex just to see < 1281197749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: Wow, \LaTeX looks fucked up in Georgia. The a is lowercase. < 1281197758 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1281197774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, XeLaTeX doesn't do \textsc properly, it seems; actually, wait ... does Georgia even have small caps? < 1281197785 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not who knows < 1281197831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Libertine O looks nice ... < 1281197841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but nothing like Georgia :P < 1281197845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah < 1281197847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i nearly nearly give up < 1281197869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how many badnesses it complains about < 1281197870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so bad. < 1281197946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: Maybe I'll just convert it to lout and become a hermit and bang sticks and rocks together to make runes. < 1281197957 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1281197958 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it < 1281197995 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@78.104.80.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281198003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if TeX Gyre Pagella has less awful quote marks than URW Palatino. < 1281198153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe, LuaTeX can't even load microtype. < 1281198172 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1281198200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: wait, there's an opentype to t1 converter, isn't there? < 1281198215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it only works for minion < 1281198227 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're thinking about converting georgia to something usable with latex < 1281198231 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop thinking < 1281198246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : base=$(basename "$font" .otf) < 1281198246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cfftot1 "$font" "pfb/$base.pfb" < 1281198246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : t1dotlessj "pfb/$base.pfb" "pfb/${base}LCDFJ.pfb" < 1281198254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: why :D microtype support and the like? < 1281198279 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minion could only be converted because someone spent a lot of time tweaking things, preparing fontinst files, and making a .sty file < 1281198286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1281198296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was only musing < 1281198314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just email the author and ask him what he'd like it set in. < 1281198489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just forget about it and set his new novel but i'd have to read it first < 1281198492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just give up on typesetting < 1281198494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and become a hermit < 1281198496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sleep forever < 1281198500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. let's go with that one < 1281198925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb: rebooting into windows to see if it can handle HD < 1281198946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281199110 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1281199590 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E5608.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281200901 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281203622 0 :AnMaster!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1281204652 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1281205026 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1281205295 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281205539 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1281205786 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1281207504 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.239.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281207534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1281207555 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.239.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281207590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Windows can decode a "900p" Blu-Ray rip and have it almost synched up with the audio. < 1281207600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I conclude that Linux audio still suuuuuuuuuuucks shiiiiiit < 1281207616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only conclude that good God Ubuntu sucks at audio. < 1281207635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the *default settings* for ALSA and it just plain works. < 1281207635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a more positive note, thx coppro for making me decide to, uh, obtain Stargate Universe. < 1281207646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Air pts. 1 and 2 are anything to go by it's gonna be good. < 1281207689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately the Blu-Ray rip only has up to episode 10; apparently the season was released in two halves, both the price of a regular season (!) on Blu-Ray. So that sucks; I can't find the second half in such quality. < 1281207721 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1281207768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: SyFy tends to air seasons in two parts. < 1281207779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second part of the season only finished a few weeks ago. < 1281207779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1281207805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so that thing I saw on Sky marked as the "finale" was actually the finale of the first half? Interesting. < 1281207814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two releases are marked "1.0" and "1.5", which is a bit strange, but there you go. < 1281207830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright then; now if only the 1080p 37" TV was in /here/. And I had a machine that can decode it with _perfect_ AV sync. < 1281207835 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, that's a very SCI-FI CHANNEL (not "SyFy" bleh) thing to do. < 1281207846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce Syfy as "Siffy" to protest the rename. < 1281207858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love it. < 1281207859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...new, to Sci-Fi." "You mean 'Siffy'." < 1281207884 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "siffih". So it's awkward to pronounce. < 1281207888 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@78.104.80.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1281207951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apparently "1.5" was released in July. < 1281207954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1281207960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few few weeks ago. < 1281207989 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be able to find HD TV dumps; not a Blu-Ray rip yet. < 1281207999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Blu-Ray "Region B" (??) the full-season Blu-Ray came out in July too. Region A has to wait until 2011, but they got 1.0 and 1.5, while region B didn't. < 1281208025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My anal file-naming scheme has come under attack by the evil creators of Stargate Universe. < 1281208025 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, where is oerjan when you need him < 1281208041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1.1�1.2 ???.mkv" (Yes, that is an en-dash.) < 1281208055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's two separate episodes, "Air (Part 1)" and "Air (Part 2)", but aired as one continuous one. < 1281208060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually, I would just title it "Air". < 1281208068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a part 3 which was aired /after/ these. < 1281208073 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah, for me the plain alsa with no pulseaudio just works. Even on computers with stuff like Intel HDA instead of my sb live card < 1281208082 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulseaudio is what causes issues IME < 1281208083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: ALSA had the AV sync problems just as badly. < 1281208092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to try OSSv4, then hang myself. < 1281208104 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that I never had... Weird latency issues I guess < 1281208121 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I ate some fun food today. < 1281208158 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hissing cockroaches? < 1281208173 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punsch-roll <-- this very Swedish pastry is as noted in the article called "vacuum cleaner" here. Well, they had an extra long version at a café I visited today... Guess what they called it? < 1281208175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fun"; that is some definition of fun, "hissing cockroaches". < 1281208185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Black hole? < 1281208187 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :central vacuum cleaner < 1281208193 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mewtwo.sporksirc.net/~anmaster/central_vacuum_cleaner.jpg < 1281208197 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took that with phone camera < 1281208200 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Clearly Ubuntu managed to fucking break ALSA. < 1281208204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: That's not... hilarious. < 1281208207 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes doggy bag next to it. It was a bit too large. < 1281208214 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I said fun, not hilarious < 1281208223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know, I don't think the _entire_ blame lies on Ubuntu's shoulders. < 1281208230 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, plus, Swedish humour. It exists but is incompatible with you. < 1281208237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They may be slightly incompetent, but you gotta admit, Linux audio isn't known to be very worky. < 1281208249 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1281208258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Here's the thing: *I have yet to have issues with Linux audio*. < 1281208266 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like getting pulseaudio and timidity to work together < 1281208278 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I only ever had problems when pulse came out < 1281208279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Here, YOU'RE the Stargate expert (Sgeo doesn't count), YOU name my file. (This is the most important thing.) < 1281208284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Good hardware. Good luck. < 1281208285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Linux 2.2, 2.4, and 2.6. OSS, pre-in-kernel ALSA, 2.6 ALSA. < 1281208287 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I can strongly recommend that café for anyone in Sweden that happens to pass by the town of Vara (located along E20 between Göteborg and Stockholm). < 1281208296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've used it on a *lot* of hardware. < 1281208301 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anot sure what was so wrong with oss or alsa < 1281208310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: nothing at all. < 1281208313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, plenty. < 1281208316 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: call that one Vacuum and the other one Air :P < 1281208319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just nothing that could be fixed with a new sound server above them. < 1281208319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just haven't used any of the freaking bizarre audio abstraction layers... < 1281208329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wat xD < 1281208334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, unless you count arts, which KDE 3 demanded. < 1281208343 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the first parts are more about a lack of air :P < 1281208345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll go with "1.1�1.2 Air (Parts 1 & 2)", but I'll FEEL BAD ABOUT IT. < 1281208363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Gee, just go and spoil it; I was expecting them to suffocate and the rest of the series just to be footage of dead people. < 1281208381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or colonise the planet and live peacefully with a few minor incidents, as they try to come to terms with their loneliness. < 1281208399 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGU actually has significant attrition :) < 1281208435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remind me not to talk to you about anything I haven't finished watching/reading/etc. yet. :) < 1281208441 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPOILERS: Destiny's destination is an alternate earth, where they will pick up more people and then leave again < 1281208454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me you /are/ joking. < 1281208459 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: Here's the thing: *I have yet to have issues with Linux audio*. <-- the only issues I had so far has been with pulseaudio or jack. The latter is mostly my own fault for even trying to use that. Of course it works very well once it's set up. But the problem is that, setting it up. < 1281208470 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: maybe < 1281208477 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with pulseaudio.... well I wouldn't know where to start with describing the problems < 1281208479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I hate you, because now I have to look it up. < 1281208484 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: rofl < 1281208490 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kidding < 1281208497 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's from a book < 1281208498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Hyperventilation over! < 1281208503 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a SG book) < 1281208515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adding abstraction servers to Linux audio is an absolutely retarded idea. < 1281208519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people love doing it? < 1281208540 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they can't think of any other ideas that sound so good but are really so bad < 1281208553 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1281208554 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\expandafter\forth\input < 1281208556 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't work < 1281208582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it kill them to just make the audio interface *work well*? < 1281208588 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah... < 1281208609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elaborate justification for "1.1�1.2 Air (Parts 1 & 2)": En-dash to separate range is the Right Way to do things; series number must be included since it sometimes differs e.g. Voyager's "Unimatrix Zero"; the episodes are billed (Part N) for N in 1,2,3; there are two parts, and we should not insert "and" because it is more metasyntactic punctuation than actually part of the title. < 1281208610 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, just use dmix in case of lack of hardware mixing (which is the case for most hardware these days) < 1281208621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use OSSv4. < 1281208630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh snap, no, that would actually *work!* < 1281208642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even ALSA, which *is* the audio interface for most Linux systems, has trouble with this... < 1281208645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You're really writing ForthTeX? < 1281208656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Tried OSSv4? You'll like it. < 1281208658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the HELL should you need a user library to just make the freaking audio interface work at all? < 1281208659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention OSSv4? < 1281208661 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, it's more work, and it would probably not work out of box, unless it provides alsa compatible APIs < 1281208669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It does. < 1281208673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: There's nothing that does not support OSS. < 1281208675 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well. Still more work < 1281208680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: In fact, you can also make libalsa /output to OSS/. < 1281208683 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, alsamixer? (sorry, bad joke) < 1281208691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: Seriously. That's 100% compatibility. < 1281208694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because OSS is the audio interface on all *other* UNIX systems. < 1281208698 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1281208699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can use the slightly-worse OSSv4 fake libalsa. < 1281208702 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, I am not writing ForthTeX. It is just something I thought about while sleeping yesterday < 1281208705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(excepting OS X) < 1281208715 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway, for me as it happens, alsa actually works well. Both on desktop and laptop < 1281208717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Tempting, but ALSA "just works" here. < 1281208727 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue why, it's just the way it is < 1281208728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dude, you use Gentoo. You _have_ to break things on a regular basis. < 1281208734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do it. < 1281208736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1281208745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Things don't break here. < 1281208748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1281208766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, actually, I manage to break X every now and then.) < 1281208795 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, things didn't break on Gentoo. I think I had to report way more bugs under ubuntu so far than on gentoo. And I used gentoo for like 5-6 years. Ubuntu for about one < 1281208801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Perhaps instead of {...} pushing a "formatting stack", it could instead push a code block/quotation a la Joy. Then \sf would mean "sans-serif for the rest of the 'program'", where "program" is like a scope; i.e. it'd end after you finish executing the {...}. < 1281208813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although perhaps the pushing-a-formatting-stack would be a saner idea. < 1281208816 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch I think is lowest but I used that less on non-servers than either of the other < 1281208821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that ForthTeX is a sane idea in the first place. < 1281208823 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this might work: \forth ' [TEX] ASSIGN-GULLET unforth [TEX] \def\inputforth#1{\forth\input #1 \unforth} < 1281208826 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hard to tell < 1281208831 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But I don't know about this way either) < 1281208833 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only like half a year on main desktop < 1281208844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's the boring way, though. It should be a Forth integrated into the TeX, not TeX with Forth support. < 1281208846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, Gentoo is a reasonably stable system. Something that appears to have a bleeding-edge philosophy. < 1281208854 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course it is not sane idea..... < 1281208865 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so yeah, gentoo's issue is actually the compile time. It _breaks_ less than other distros IME < 1281208875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster: It's Gentoo's /users/ that break it. < 1281208882 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes some. I agree < 1281208897 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But..... < 1281208901 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE ARE INSANITY!!!!!! < 1281208910 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, like those with insane CFLAGS. But well... I only know one such user, and he started using sane cflags later on < 1281208916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You could use {...} as strings that way, too. < 1281208918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like < 1281208924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{sansserif} \fontname < 1281208926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1281208968 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would forthtex be like luatex? Or would it use a separate syntax? Or is it something like literal forth programming? < 1281208981 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think such things can work unless it is entirely remade such that it is not TeX anymore < 1281208986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ForthTeX wouldn't really be TeX at all. < 1281208989 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1281208994 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But using \forth to switch works better in my opinion < 1281208999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my view, "\foo" would be execute-Forth-word-foo. < 1281209006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal words would just be "text" typeset. < 1281209011 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there is an issue there. If you don't pass some test suite, iirc Knuth gets angry about you using the name TeX < 1281209014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ would push a new "formatting stack" < 1281209030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so \sf would say, change the font to sans-serif < 1281209031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the top formatting stack < 1281209032 0 :AnMaster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it is a registered trademark or such, if it is, you would need to follow it < 1281209034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} would pop it < 1281209035 0 :zzo38