< 1283558403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(jonnynomind) < 1283558408 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1283558414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate them because they broke my brain and I want it back. < 1283558434 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: basically it's polyphonic zzt #play < 1283558436 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or does implementing monads in the language itself seem like an inelegant hack? < 1283558468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Pretty much, < 1283558469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*much. < 1283558504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:00:14 32-bit PCM is sufficient for recording the full dynamic range possible in air. < 1283558507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:00:18 This includes shock waves. < 1283558540 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need that for those realistic nuclear hand grenade first-person shooters < 1283558572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He's going to treat us like a band of trolls! < 1283558575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invading! < 1283558576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or -- ignore us. < 1283558580 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: haha that's nice < 1283558580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1283558580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also "end of the world"-class disaster movie soundtracks. < 1283558595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1283558602 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: maybe you should just tell him that #esoteric is invading < 1283558621 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATTACK < 1283558626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leave no prisoners! < 1283558649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: "We will add your syntactical and semantical distinctiveness to our own. Your language will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile." < 1283558696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*semantic, not semantical < 1283558719 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, yes. An esolang named Borg... < 1283558726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's a pretty good attack against the esoborg < 1283558739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What is, exactly? < 1283558741 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have them try to assimilate a poisonous language < 1283558748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1283558774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: its only instruction is to load an esolang from the wiki < 1283558777 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to watch more Star Trek < 1283558781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and combine it with the current one < 1283558782 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: we'd need a Category:Borg_assimilee to add to other languages then < 1283558822 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when it tries to assimilate a Lisp and Factor? < 1283558829 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre and post fix? < 1283558838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They doesn't have to." < 1283558840 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they combine to get mixfix < 1283558841 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I was vaguely wondering what a combination would be like < 1283558857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: (define (f x) [(+ 2 "abc" length 2 +)] call) < 1283558876 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more along the lines of some words being prefix some being suffic < 1283558879 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*suffix < 1283558882 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no parents < 1283558885 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*parens < 1283558889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said synergies < 1283558932 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an orphan language < 1283558937 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something Haskell-like except with suffix-functions < 1283558977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Did you just seriously use the word synergy in a non-ironic context? < 1283558977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: did you seriously use the word non-ironic in an non-ironic context? < 1283558978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You could probably run Wolfram Research in a few years if you started now. < 1283558978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: Uhm... is that good or bad? < 1283558986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, parens is no more a logical abbreviation of parentheses than parents is < 1283559006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, should I tell him or goad him further? < 1283559017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Don't be nasty; he's a lunatic, not a murderer. < 1283559020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't tell him anything. < 1283559025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a silent invasion of laughter. < 1283559027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe slightly, the latter divides a phoneme < 1283559083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Phantom_Hoover: Don't be nasty; he's a lunatic, not a murderer. < 1283559098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parenth, for people with lithpth. < 1283559101 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :218| Phantom_Hoover: Don't be nasty; he's a lunatic, not a murderer. < 1283559103 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : jonnymind, oh, good. Your attitude towards language design is very similar to that of Wolfram himself. < 1283559104 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Uhm... in that case: thanks. < 1283559124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : even the egos are similar.... < 1283559124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : :) < 1283559124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : .... < 1283559124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* jonnymind searches the ban button :) < 1283559133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even his channel members are turning against him! < 1283559155 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor lucone, banned for getting the joke? < 1283559174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1283559178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's just ganging up against him < 1283559180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor guy < 1283559266 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a addon for PPMCK that allows mixing MML codes with assembler codes and machine codes? < 1283559279 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : falcon had to be fast in managing raw native data in a way that was high level and comfortable in a script. ← therefore monads. Makes sense. < 1283559342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : A design philosophy combines their justifications into one coherent goal. < 1283559343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: was getting to it. < 1283559348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1283559355 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think we both know his design goal. < 1283559372 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Put all of the cool toys from other languages in!" < 1283559376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I degenerate into just outright flaming his stupidity, I'm gonna whip out the Borg line. < 1283559401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what interesting esolangs can we add? < 1283559406 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, Feather! < 1283559418 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Add to...? < 1283559427 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Falcon. < 1283559461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay, stop being evil. < 1283559468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously want to interrogate this insane man. < 1283559471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK... :( < 1283559588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Feather barely even exists in its creator's mind. < 1283559588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Like a four-spatial-dimensional object, poking slightly in and moving around in some incomprehensible way, dropping out occasionally.) < 1283559588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o,O < 1283559588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's poetry... < 1283559603 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add some of the INTERCAL stuff, such as the FORGET command and things like threaded COME FROM. < 1283559618 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also add the preprepreprocessor. (Enhanced CWEB has a preprepreprocessor) < 1283559619 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283559670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, finally gave in? < 1283559676 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283559686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, I realised it could work earlier on being said by Falcon. < 1283559727 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHA he does not know of our secret war room < 1283559755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We shall take Tiger Mountain. By strategy! < 1283559757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: A friend just facebooked (and a friend-of-a-friend told a similiar story) about a plumber that came to fix something, left saying "I'll need to go get some more tools from the car", and then never came back (or at least not in two weeks). < 1283559769 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, BtW, Feather is meant to be computable, and AFAIK is. < 1283559770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly there is an epidemic of alien plumber abductions < 1283559777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know. < 1283559806 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait the other one was a maintenance guy, not a plumber < 1283559815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the evidence is clear, anyway < 1283559819 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FTR he did eventually come back and say that it needs a part that he won't be able to get 'til Tuesday. < 1283559835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently aliens are bad at UFO maintenance. < 1283559845 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plumbers are just specialized pipe maintenance guys. < 1283559866 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ooh, maybe they've been abducting people to fix it, yeah < 1283559880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1283559883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unix is primarily about pipe maintenance. < 1283559922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, another Voyager cast member who hates it! < 1283559924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[After being cast as Harry Kim, Wang had a strained relationship with Voyager executive producer Rick Berman, who took over from Star Trek inventor Gene Roddenberry: "When Roddenberry passed the reins over to [Rick] Berman, unfortunately Berman kept the same formula. And he just kept plugging it in. So when I'm asked what made Voyager stand out...you are talking about the same overall formula so it doesn't. It has stayed the same for every single episode. < 1283559924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"]] < 1283559941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: why else would the internet tubes run on it, duh < 1283559947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In a 2007 interview with scifiworld.com, Wang voiced his displeasure about the show. He felt the Harry Kim character was "underused", passive and one-dimensional. Prior to Season 2, he went to the producers and said: "Listen I want to have a stunt double, I want to do some stunts, I want to run, I want to kick; I want to have a love life". He also stated to only have had "minimal" creative impact upon Harry Kim: he desperately wanted Harry Kim to be funn < 1283559947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ier, but the producers felt that Neelix or The Doctor fit better as comic relief. In the end, he described it as unfulfilling,[2] and also spoke of a "rift" between Berman and him.[1] When he complained that every other character on the show got promoted except Kim, he was told that he had to remain the lowly Ensign because "well someone's got to be the ensign".[3]]] < 1283560050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : jonnymind: Philosophies usually are :) < 1283560051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : let's say that there may be different ways to solve a problem. < 1283560051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not the complexity theory. < 1283560055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A--what now? < 1283560087 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you want to enjoy Falcon? < 1283560093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have to keep the peace. < 1283560098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is interesting. < 1283560106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have decided he simply has really terrible taste. < 1283560107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you are a better man than I. < 1283560126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...   [ name|"unknown", income| {=> self.name.len()*100} ], < 1283560128 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. Borg should have a design philosophy. < 1283560139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just call me Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz < 1283560155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still of the opinion that his philosophy is that other languages have cool things, and that he wants these cool things. < 1283560279 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add commands to adjust the optimizer < 1283560300 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add stack based programming < 1283560309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: to assimilate all other languages and their features is not obvious enough for you? < 1283560314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add dependent theorem proving! < 1283560366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Borg, how about have one construct, " will be assimilated" and then perform the following block of code? < 1283560402 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i haven't looked at falcon but my intuition is that there are clearly cool features in various languages that are _incompatible_ with each other. and that _might_ be part of falcon's problem, i don't know. < 1283560404 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly piping each block to the next, or viewing it as a function of some description. < 1283560436 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need function concatenation operator < 1283560455 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, also known as "composition". < 1283560470 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1283560516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" will be assimilated [as ] [with Phantom_Hoover: OOB seems to "tag" a value with a special invisible quality which makes some built-in functions do something different with it when they receive it. < 1283560762 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why does everything have to be like Forth? Surely some non-Forth languages might be good? < 1283560792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's more or less the idea i had for the LiMonadE vapor-language (unlambda + monads) < 1283560808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, augh at the pun < 1283560809 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not everything has be like Forth, but some of these feature are useful < 1283560814 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the quality being the monad, of course) < 1283560816 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1283560838 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a preprepreprepreprocessor < 1283560848 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283560851 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also postpostpostprocessor < 1283560874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what? < 1283560896 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this kind of feature can be useful sometime < 1283560930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see the use for more than a single layer of pre-processing in general. < 1283560951 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1283560971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION consider lisp meta-macros < 1283560975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1283561028 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...And jonnymind has just said that his monad model can easily break if you use it with map. < 1283561038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words cannot express how stupid that is. < 1283561127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1283561159 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1283561162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283561381 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enhanced CWEB has its own meta-macros format, and they have many purposes, and can be mixed with TeX as well as with the C preprocessor, and that means it can do a lot of things. < 1283561477 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A common thing I use is to define @-p to predeclare a procedure as well as start its definition, without having to repeat it) < 1283562396 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283562864 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Re Falcon: it is both the incompatibility of everything, plus the, well, non-standard nomenclature. I would bet the designers do not hold degrees in CS (otherwise they would be more careful about what they call a "monad" or "functional programming", is all.) < 1283562918 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1283562942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you i don't hold a degree in CS either :D) < 1283562951 0 :Tatiana1!~tatiana@189.100.43.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283562982 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1283562988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1283563012 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First of all, sorry for my terrible english < 1283563053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1283563056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're not about religion. < 1283563084 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1283563090 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are you from? < 1283563096 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283563101 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Internet < 1283563116 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From home < 1283563128 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Home < 1283563130 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me come home < 1283563135 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Home is whenever I'm with you < 1283563138 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to go to your own home < 1283563142 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I go to my own home < 1283563239 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tatiana1: i am from norway. although this channel is not usually an "ordinary" chat channel either (we talk about computers, technology and math a lot) < 1283563255 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ordinary"? < 1283563268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying that ordinary chat rooms have most of the people be from the same area? < 1283563279 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, where would I find such a chat channel for my area? < 1283563292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i have no idea what they are like since i've probably never been on one :D < 1283563298 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it is a ecletic chat rsrsrs < 1283563309 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ecletic? < 1283563327 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is for esoteric programming, so you can look at the wiki for more information about esoteric programming language < 1283563329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: buy a dictionary < 1283563334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what zzo38 said, i was about to say that < 1283563340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what i really mean is that we're not the kind of chat where you start out by asking people where they are from ;D < 1283563341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: or use the internet < 1283563354 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. < 1283563379 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such word as ecletic < 1283563387 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is correct. We not generally start by asking where you are from < 1283563388 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worp < 1283563392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although many of us do know where many of the others are from, eventually :) < 1283563408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least approximately < 1283563417 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes looking at the IP address / domain name can help a bit < 1283563427 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see where you are from, in case you are interested < 1283563448 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worp worp < 1283563455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Internet has been unhelpful < 1283563492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to do that, you can usually do a /whois someone's_nickname command. i think. it probably depends on client. < 1283563497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, i see, boring typo pointing outs < 1283563506 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoerp < 1283563510 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alk < 1283563515 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And eclectic doesn't seem to have any.. oh, I see what he thinks this is < 1283563520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a general chatroom? < 1283563523 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worp worp worp < 1283563525 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combination of stuff? < 1283563526 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this client it just displays it in every message that user sends. < 1283563535 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Are* there "general chatrooms" on freenode? < 1283563541 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, defocus < 1283563557 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knarl < 1283563567 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283563569 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do all sorts of stuff in this channel, but mostly programming stuff, and sometimes mathematical stuff, and things related to that, are most common. And esoteric programming discussion is on topic to this channel. < 1283563570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: defocus; it's shit < 1283563600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it's an IRC channel < 1283563603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can it be shit? < 1283563614 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This client displays other client's IP address / domain name before every message, in dark cyan, after the @ sign) < 1283563672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we _are_ pretty eclectic, just not general. iiuc what eclectic means. < 1283563678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is this one of your hyper-literal-interpretations-are-hilarious thing, or just... I don't know < 1283563679 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tatiana1: #esoteric = (computer programmers | mathematicians) + (very smart | very strange | very creative) < 1283563687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hahahaha < 1283563688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about ego < 1283563698 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsrsrsrs i liked < 1283563706 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you from? < 1283563708 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tatiana1: I don't follow "rsrsrs". < 1283563711 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I guess that is pretty close! < 1283563723 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it's an uttern failure to understand < 1283563724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric = (dabblers & dilettantes & amateurs) + (computing skill) + (a few people of actual merit) :-) < 1283563732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we're cool dilettantes! < 1283563733 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rsrsrsrs" = smile < 1283563741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: #defocus is shit. As a community ... it is shit. < 1283563742 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I suppose that is also it! < 1283563749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you unfamiliar with the expletive "shit"? < 1283563759 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsrrrrr < 1283563772 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tatiana1: rsrsrsrs isn't very common here, we usually use smileys or maybe a lol < 1283563775 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: who is of actual merit? < 1283563783 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never seen rsrsrsrs before now\ < 1283563784 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I suppose I'm painting the ideal rather than the reality. But, damn, most of us *are* one of those. < 1283563786 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have seen rsr5 < 1283563798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Sgeo -----### < 1283563814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: well, that would be telling (and rude to everyone else). (ais523, cpressey, oerjan, a few others) < 1283563833 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc including yourself.... ? < 1283563835 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsrsrs or huahauhaua < 1283563842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I don't see why. < 1283563853 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it < 1283563857 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s r5rs? < 1283563861 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing, ignore that < 1283563863 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION selffacepalms < 1283563869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dabbling dilettante with computing skill. I don't see why that doesn't fit me better than actually-skilled-person. < 1283563901 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tatiana1: hau hau is actually a way to write the sound that dogs make < 1283563903 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Polish < 1283563912 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think both cpressey's and alise's fits well. < 1283563931 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hau hua = is smiling < 1283563932 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well. If you want to look at what we DO, sure. We dabble. We... dilletante things up. < 1283563933 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283563933 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i have a hunch alise may think general chatrooms are shit in general < 1283563948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: absolutely not! I loooove #esoteric < 1283563956 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1283563958 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are your from? < 1283563966 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1283563970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i thought we just established #esoteric was _not_ a general chatroom < 1283563974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The observable Universe < 1283563983 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had that map, remember? < 1283563984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well we like to pretend it's not :-) < 1283563996 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tatiana1: I am from Canada, in case you really care. (You can check my domain name and see that my service provider is from Canada, too) < 1283563999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: we downloaded all the data before the site shot itself < 1283564002 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has no face!.... erm, it has no topic1 < 1283564027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although of course #esoteric may be twisted into an approximation of what hyper-geeks might think an ideal general chatroom _should_ be. it's why i'm here, isn't it. < 1283564029 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :understood < 1283564039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tatiana1: England, the country of violating 14 year olds' human rights as defined by the UN, and rain. < 1283564043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, I'm totally not bitter or anything. < 1283564049 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that reference is ungoogleable < 1283564050 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah right < 1283564057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *topic! < 1283564074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is modarchive.org -able < 1283564087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ? < 1283564094 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing :D < 1283564113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that the n in nooga stands for "nothing" < 1283564122 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I`m from Brazil < 1283564126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: actually my swat wasn't for your misspelling, i didn't even notice that :D < 1283564136 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what, "on topic"? A few days ago I released a stupid language called Eightebed, which proved nothing *really*, but which released me to work on something else for a while. I've had a few ideas, one of which is a fixed set of grid-rewrite rules which I think could be Turing-complete in an interesting way. < 1283564142 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tatiana1: But maybe you want to see the things that the people on this channel have invented and stuff, if you really care, that is. < 1283564152 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tatiana1: Poland, polar bears, vodka, moustache etc etc < 1283564167 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the occasional vodka moustache. < 1283564172 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1283564179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to make BF-RLE sound important < 1283564183 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen a goddamn polar bear < 1283564198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: oh in reply to what i said? :) < 1283564202 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISIDTID < 1283564212 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so ;f < 1283564236 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Go to the zoo < 1283564240 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=73115 < 1283564241 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I`m telling the truth < 1283564244 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, sleep time, brb < 1283564249 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shipped with the desktop version of Alchemy < 1283564296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tatiana1: we didn't say otherwise < 1283564317 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tatiana1: I'm more of a "This sentence is false" person myself. < 1283564347 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sentence is true but unprovable. < 1283564363 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283564387 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sentence is false, but its negation is unprovable. < 1283564397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i'm not sure you quite get the r part of brb < 1283564417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or you sleep rather fast < 1283564421 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sentence is true, and its negation is unprovable < 1283564428 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sentence is false and unprovable < 1283564434 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Work out stuff relating to the above < 1283564442 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes hand-wavy gesture < 1283564460 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sentence is equivalent to the Riemann hypothesis. < 1283564482 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely "The Riemann hypothesis." is simpler? < 1283564484 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tatiana1: Brazil's pretty cool. That's where Lua comes from. < 1283564486 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1283564491 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely "The Riemann hypothesis is true." is simpler? < 1283564492 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sentence's negation is provable if and only if the Riemann hypothesis is correct. < 1283564497 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua? < 1283564522 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot to mention: we're largely concerned with programming languages, formal calculi, and models of computation here. < 1283564527 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua's a programming language. < 1283564534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hm < 1283564537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May be easier to deal with "This sentence's negation is provable if and only if statement P is true." < 1283564553 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See how that relates to statement P < 1283564560 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OK. < 1283564578 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jsforth guy complained about Lua due to lack of bit manipulation < 1283564579 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "largely concerned" is too strong. Theoretically, we all like those things. They make us feel good. < 1283564581 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1283564615 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I also complained about Lua due to lack of bit manipulations, too. < 1283564634 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could care less for bit manipulations. I mostly like Lua. < 1283564652 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind 1-indexing in a language. But when it's supposed to interact with C.. < 1283564667 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really a strong complaint, but still < 1283564679 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh! adjustable indexing! < 1283564682 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns into a Perl < 1283564688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : either that or you sleep rather fast ;; damn Uberman < 1283564706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Surely "The Riemann hypothesis is true." is simpler? ;; Surely [Riemann hypothesis] is simpler? < 1283564770 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm not thrilled with the conflating of maps and arrays. Part of me says, that's just going too far. < 1283564783 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fun! < 1283564791 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION evillaughs < 1283564848 0 :Tatiana2!~tatiana@189.100.43.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283564877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Better than Tcl conflating everything with strings. < 1283564919 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION o.Os at the number of Titanics in the Futurama universe < 1283564942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is it countable or uncountable? < 1283564954 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :countably finite < 1283564962 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BORING < 1283564967 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if "uncountably finite" makes sense < 1283564985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1283565009 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It only make sense if what you mean by "uncountably" is that it is too long to count and you don't have time or words for them < 1283565030 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is probably not what is meant, because it isn't what it meant in "uncountably infinite" < 1283565031 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate only having 3 options when there are 2 booleans < 1283565038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is that model of ZF without axiom of choice where two definitions or finite don't coincide, though < 1283565050 0 :Tatiana1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1283565052 0 :choochter!~choochter@host213-1-51-218.btremoteinternet-dsl.bt.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283565084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them being essentially "can be counted by a finite natural number", the other being "is not the same size as a proper subset of itself" < 1283565160 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example of a set where those definitions aren't equivalent? < 1283565161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however if you can be counted by any ordinal at all, those two coincide < 1283565208 0 :Tatiana2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1283565258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in such a model you have sets that are not equivalent to a proper subset of themselves, but which _still_ are not equivalent in size to any {1,...,n} < 1283565284 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Sgeo wonders if "uncountably finite" makes sense <-- Thank you; you are justifying "very strange" < 1283565311 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to have a table with 4 spaces with one space not making sense! < 1283565315 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 2, 3... ah, shit, I'm bored. Well, I guess that the numbers on the clock are uncountably finite. < 1283565315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot embed _all_ the naturals into them, but you can embed any finite set of naturals. you cannot extend the embedding to all without using the axiom of choice. < 1283565316 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do sometimes think of strange things like that too, but not specifically that < 1283565319 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ugly and horrible and nightmare incuding < 1283565394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense such a set is uncountable (not equivalent to a subset of naturals) but still finite in the other sense < 1283565408 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Awesome < 1283565443 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What is ugly and horrible? And why? < 1283565453 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A B < 1283565456 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ~B < 1283565460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~A B < 1283565466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ~A ~B doesn't exist < 1283565486 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in what context? < 1283565518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any! *insanes* < 1283565626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedekind-finite < 1283565658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbing non-verbs, a clear sign of insaning < 1283565672 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a bit insane too, a bit.... but I don't consider myself ugly and horrible and nightmare incuding < 1283565696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1283565774 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION happies oerjan for allowing "uncountably finite" to exist < 1283565873 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insane people do things that are improper because the proper way is very wrong < 1283565962 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celia Green wrote a book with the thesis that in all of human history, only two people were sane. Everyone else was (and is) insane. < 1283565974 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just thought I'd throw that out there. < 1283565990 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which two? < 1283566004 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And insane monsters do things that are very improper because the very proper way is extremely wrong. < 1283566017 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I play D&D game I prefer to play monster character. < 1283566050 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also because someone wrote a book, I don't know which book I mean, though. < 1283566085 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION seconds Sgeo's question < 1283566112 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, which two people? Or, does Celia Green not know which two? < 1283566208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the answer must be something explosive. < 1283566270 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Jesus Christ and Frederick Neitzsche. < 1283566296 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not saying I agree with her, or anything. < 1283566297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had a hunch about the first one < 1283566300 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: THey are also just as insane as everyone else, I think < 1283566411 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I agree. I would also note that Jesus Christ, as portrayed in the New Testament, is in my opinion largely fictional, and that ol' Fred is just as insane as anyone else, just in a completely different direction. < 1283566451 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I say the latter based on having read Thus Spoke Zarathustra; I've never read the New Testament from cover to cover, though.) < 1283566488 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fred makes some good points, but, sheesh. Calm down, dude. Sit. Have some tea. Organize your thoughts. < 1283566506 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes, I agree with you about Neitzsche, and about Jesus, that may be correct (we don't actually know what (if anything) happened, it is just written by a few people). < 1283566751 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If my character is dead, I create another character, a different monster character, also, and beginning at the next session, and the DM has to fit it into the game somehow, there are many ways < 1283566862 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clones! < 1283566870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why people are following him < 1283566944 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clones? < 1283566957 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are clones following you? < 1283567366 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283567387 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283567450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they must have got him < 1283567547 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops! I didn't mean to do that! < 1283567563 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pushed the "d" button! That makes the room exsovalve! < 1283567572 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well too late now < 1283567598 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would probably be panicking if i knew what exsovalve was < 1283567613 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what exsovalve is either < 1283567616 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/probably/clearly/ < 1283567642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good. then maybe we can avoid panic < 1283567650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1283567804 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food? < 1283567810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is food following you? < 1283567938 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm stalking it. < 1283567951 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah ha! < 1283567963 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, well, an INTERCAL reference in #haskell. < 1283567975 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means everyone playing "the game" has to take a swig. < 1283567979 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a swig < 1283568217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's what they call "the game" these days < 1283568254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly INTERCAL is no match for haskell's reverse state monad < 1283568445 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so much crazy, so little time. < 1283568617 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I do, to make the best use of my limited crazy-time? < 1283568667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck if _i_ know < 1283568752 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I don't know? < 1283568802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this problem is obviously at _least_ NP-complete. < 1283568806 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not. Don't mean to put that burden on ' < 1283568811 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y'all. < 1283568837 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first, I'm going to see if the reverse state monad is something real, or something oerjan just made up. < 1283568855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cackles evilly < 1283568867 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently real < 1283568909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top google hit seems aptly named < 1283569078 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I can only imagine how that works. < 1283569095 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My understanding of monads is (ask Phantom_Hoover) still quite crude. < 1283569106 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I *can* imagine. < 1283569116 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking just the other day, < 1283569131 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know, there ought to be any number of really bizarre monads you could write" < 1283569146 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that anyone in this channel could think of any at the time) < 1283569329 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think of any at the time, because I don't know a lot about monads, to think of it. < 1283569886 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought reverse state was an esome inventiojn < 1283569971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it that simply placing cheese between slices of bread and grilling it freaking *delicious*? < 1283569979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/freaking/is freaking/ < 1283570025 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can make sandwich! < 1283570049 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I hate non-grilled cheese sandwiches < 1283570059 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are grilled really that much better? I never tried < 1283570106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... Non-grilled cheese sandwiches? WHAT IS THIS MADNESS. < 1283570132 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There is a scientific reason. Let me see if I can remember it. < 1283570133 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just eat the bread, then eat some cheese a while later... < 1283570211 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grilled sandwich is better, at least in my opinion. < 1283570235 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I have some tomato in it too, then definitely yes < 1283570317 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should find out how to grill sandwiches < 1283570330 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a grill, don't I? Are there safe indoors grills? < 1283570337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's *ridiculously* easy. < 1283570343 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a frying pan and some butter < 1283570350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a frying pan, some butter, and a sandwich. < 1283570384 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heat up frying pan. Butter bread. Apply to frying pan until sufficiently grilled. Flip. Apply to frying pan until sufficiently grilled. Remove. Eat. < 1283570389 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :butter? use olive oil. < 1283570425 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long does that take? < 1283570426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq, I hate non-grilled cheese sandwiches < 1283570426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are grilled really that much better? I never tried ;; yes < 1283570429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yes, you can also just oil the *pan* instead of the *sandwich*. < 1283570441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not long < 1283570442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Like, 5 minutes? < 1283570445 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 5 minutes < 1283570446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are far, far better < 1283570446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1283570451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must advocate the superior option < 1283570453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheese on toast < 1283570458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is how you make cheese on toast: < 1283570461 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I cannot find a reference to it. But I found a book with a fantastic title: http://books.google.com/books?id=-oRp5VCVTQQC < 1283570467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't taste less bad after some time, does it? < 1283570472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1283570484 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might end up bringing such sandwiches to school < 1283570484 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: unless you like it burnt < 1283570496 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, as in, make it, bring it to school, eat at school < 1283570498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheese on toast: Put butter on two slices of bread. Thick bread. Put cheese on these two slices. Strong cheese. Grill it (or whatever you want to do instead). < 1283570519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a more manly dish than a grilled cheese sandwich, but ... rather harder to store. < 1283570524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you want to eat it hot. < 1283570541 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks about using an actual grill to make grilled cheese < 1283570578 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMaybe I won't spend so much money on buying chicken sandwiches from the place on campus < 1283570599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, so. Texas toast and strong cheese. < 1283570608 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, it is... why isn't poultry meat? < 1283570618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's best hot. < 1283570618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It ... is .... < 1283570621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*... < 1283570627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Texas toast? Fuck that shit. < 1283570633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's thick bread. < 1283570635 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, :/ < 1283570648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nobody British enough to make a proper cheese on toast would buy anything with Texas in the name. < 1283570668 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I dimly remember some biochemistry term like "queso-opioid" or something, to refer to the chemicals that are produced when you bake or fry cheese. < 1283570672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "Texas toast" is literally just thickly-sliced bread. < 1283570680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, if it's bright, strong yellow and sliced it's not cheese. < 1283570688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking proper fucking cheddar here. < 1283570703 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn! I want to go there sometime. To Cheddar, I mean. < 1283570708 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides not to make a Sgeo-style joke < 1283570709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You want more horrification? < 1283570718 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cheese tastes better melted because it's filled with drugs? < 1283570719 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1283570720 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The cheesy channel | (a(:^)*S):^ | Should the esolangs community have a Hackiki wiki? (Wiki capable of running nearly-arbitrary code) Vote: http://poll.fm/23p9l | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1283570720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: There's things more artificial than "American cheese". < 1283570724 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they have a cheese tourism culture there... like Wisconsin. < 1283570736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: haha wow < 1283570745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: For instance, there's "sliced cheese food product". People actually buy this and eat it. < 1283570763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, I am totally not hearing you! < 1283570810 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no clue what kind of cheese is in the house < 1283570814 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :American, I think < 1283570826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Mostly composed of vegetable oil. < 1283570877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Get you some cheddar. Now that's cheese. < 1283570922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: American cheese is just bad cheddar + various other suspicious crap added + stupid colouring. < 1283570939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ whatever else Kraft decides they want you to have in your body as opposed to something you actually want in your body -- of the week < 1283571034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Actually American cheese is just leftover bits of cheese from *various things* + emulsifiers + stupid colouring. < 1283571048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: With more crap added to make it lower quality sometimes. < 1283571075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it's pre-wrapped slices, it's got crap added. And it's vomitous, rather than merely crappy.) < 1283571100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, so no actual proper cheese. < 1283571117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, apart from leftovers. < 1283571122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: tl;dr get some mature cheddar. < 1283571123 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I only wish I could find a reference for it so I'm sure I'm not hallucinating it. < 1283571125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :casual caseine < 1283571127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not medium. Mature. < 1283571137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not extra-super-duper mature, though, that's kind of icky. < 1283571142 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been interested in cheese enough to care before < 1283571146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, *casein < 1283571147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Icky = Hey, I eat one crumb and it feels like my mouth hurts.) < 1283571159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's probably because American cheese is the most boringly uninspiring food product there is. < 1283571169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cheddar itself is delicious. Seriously. < 1283571182 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does american cheese taste so bad < 1283571224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: as in [does it really?] or [what is the cause?] < 1283571242 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the cause < 1283571251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sometimes, it's instead just throwing together milk, whey, milk fat, milk protein, salt, and emulsifiers in the right proportions. < 1283571264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: that. < 1283571271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, it is the most boring and bland cheese ever. < 1283571301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cottage cheese has more flavor. And *that's* just curds and whey with some of the whey drained off. < 1283571374 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :american cheese has a flavor < 1283571380 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it tastes bad :D < 1283571405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crappy American cheese tastes bad. < 1283571411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Good" American cheese just lacks taste. < 1283571448 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are many grades? < 1283571491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you familiar with Cheez Whiz? < 1283571507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Easy Cheese? < 1283571522 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :familiar no, I stay the hell away from that stuff < 1283571532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are also American cheese. < 1283571534 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my parents never buy it < 1283571588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Easy Cheese, BTW, is "cheese" in a spray can. Yes. A spray can. < 1283571592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only contact we Brits have with your icky American cheese crap is when we go into burger joints. < 1283571596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what. < 1283571605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Easy_cheese2.jpg < 1283571613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I... loaded the page. < 1283571618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look like cheese. < 1283571634 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) cheese is not orange < 1283571636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tastes like artificial cheese flavor. < 1283571660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Kraft died tomorrow, the only innocent casualties would be a few chocolate brands. < 1283571666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Toblerone, Milka. That's all I can think of.) < 1283571670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Cheddar cheese often is. (for no good reason, it's very common to dye it orange-yellow-ish) < 1283571683 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's regional < 1283571692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but still. < 1283571694 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: here they don't dye it so it's white < 1283571702 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where I live, they make cheddar cheese both white and orange, they make both kinds. < 1283571716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strong cheddar is never coloured in my experience < 1283571724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the orange is just the wimpy stuff for people who can't handle cheese < 1283571731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and ofc you can get white mild cheddar too) < 1283571759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I think you'd be amazed by some of the processed "foods" available in the US. < 1283571771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1995 it was revealed that the Swedish politician Mona Sahlin had bought, among other things, two bars of Toblerone using her Riksdag credit card (i.e. taxpayer's money). This became known as the Toblerone affair. Sahlin was forced to step down as a candidate for the post as Prime Minister." < 1283571792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, in the UK when our MPs started putting houses and porn and shit on their expenses, we just yelled at them for a month or two. < 1283571805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE HAVE MOTHER FUCKING IMITATION MAYONNAISE. < 1283571813 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, porn is one thing. But TOBLERONE??? < 1283571818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...but mayonnaise is the simplest thing to exist, ever < 1283571838 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "Miracle Whip". It's imitation. Fucking. Mayonnaise. < 1283571858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't want to talk about this any more or ever again or ever make it stop < 1283571891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make the pain stop < 1283571893 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: One thing I have discovered is that in the US, unlike Canada, you can get actual *pickle relish*. It's amazing. I didn't even know it existed before. < 1283571904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Pickle relish is delicious. < 1283571921 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it illegal in Canada? < 1283571942 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No -- I had just never been able to find it. It's all sweet relish. < 1283571959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1283571959 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1933, Kraft was a well-established distributor of mayonnaise, yet sales were slipping as a result of the Great Depression.[citation needed] Kraft developed a new dressing similar to mayonnaise, but at a lower price. Premiering at the Century of Progress World's Fair in Chicago in 1933, Miracle Whip was an instant success as a condiment on fruits, vegetables and salads." < 1283571966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pickle relish is CORRUPTING OUR CHILDREN < 1283571992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hey, be glad you're not Italian. < 1283571999 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no children and I use no relish. < 1283572001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh how I could make you pain. < 1283572010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: COMMUNIST < 1283572013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat < 1283572026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what, this might actually do it anyways. < 1283572028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Kraftparmesan.jpg < 1283572031 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: COMMUNIST??? < 1283572038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, really. That's powdered "parmesan". < 1283572039 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: mind you Mona Sahlin got better, she's currently the opposition's PM candidate < 1283572048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(again) < 1283572114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wow, I'm amazed that's a scandal over there. Props to you guys. < 1283572127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: SOCIALISM FASCISM < 1283572150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, there's also imitation whipped cream. < 1283572164 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's currently somewhat of a "scandal" in norway about at least three government ministers accepting afghan carpets as gifts (completely legally, mind you) < 1283572168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often in a spray can! < 1283572206 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those are the prime minister, foreign minister and defense minister, i.e. the three that actually had any business going to afghanistan) < 1283572209 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: BTW, I'm only naming highly commonly consumed things, not niche oddities. < 1283572217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can I cry please? < 1283572231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise I'd mention things like canned pancake batter) < 1283572235 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I accidentally got upset over a simplification for teaching the other day < 1283572236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1283572246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you guys let me come live there? Thanks. < 1283572267 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I didn't realize that that's what it was, and I didn't know what it was non-simplified, and I got confused because the simplified BS made no sense whatsoever < 1283572301 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should explain what I'm talking about < 1283572388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: We also brought non-dairy creamer to the world. < 1283572419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... No, that was Switzerland. < 1283572436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She was talking about sigfigs < 1283572437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switzerland AND BRITAIN < 1283572444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You should be ashamed. < 1283572455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how for addition and subtraction, you just look at the number of significant figures after the decimal place < 1283572503 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realize that this was just equivalent in some cases (presumably all that we'll be dealing with) to making the highest-place sigfig be the highest lowest sigfig in the operation < 1283572504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why is that being taught in university? < 1283572526 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not taught in high school. < 1283572530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283572532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you /are/ joking < 1283572538 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We did do sigfigs in HS < 1283572541 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1283572547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just been a while < 1283572556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unit did significant figures shit with me recently (year 10; most people would be 15, me 14) < 1283572559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i remember thinking < 1283572564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this simple shit being taught so late?? < 1283572577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it was also mention iirc that the minister for development (i.e. charity) had gotten a goat and a wife in sierra leone. however, he apparently didn't bring either back home ;D < 1283572582 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mentioned < 1283572584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: In many high school programs, it's not taught at all. < 1283572595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The goat /was/ the wife. < 1283572603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I refuse to answer. Let me cry alone. < 1283572612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I were joking. < 1283572613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no, that was another story, which i also seem to recall :D < 1283572631 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name a programming language or library which supports significant figures. < 1283572641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Falcon < 1283572645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the goat and the wife were as _gifts_, in case it wasn't clear) < 1283572649 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SNAP! < 1283572654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha < 1283572665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here! Take my wife, Western king! (She's a whore.)" < 1283572681 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds Stargate-ish < 1283572745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: About what age do you guys generally get to algebra? < 1283572794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uh, around the same age. < 1283572807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Which is? < 1283572812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivial shit, like "find x and y". < 1283572815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 15 < 1283572823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Yeah, around the same age. < 1283572830 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took it in 8th grade.. so what's that.. 13? < 1283572833 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pretty depressing. < 1283572845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Around the same time as significant figures. :P < 1283572845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: About. I did it in 7th. < 1283572853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, perhaps earlier, actually. < 1283572867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the unit were on this ridiculous "HE IS LACKING IN EDUCATION" kick at the time. < 1283572885 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION did calculus his junior year. Whooooo... < 1283572894 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Education sometime around the 18th birthday? < 1283572948 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used sigfigs in physics class. I don't like using sigfigs except with scientific notation. When the question involved sigfigs I wrote down the answer using scientific notation. < 1283572952 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw political sign saying all kids should learn to read by 3rd grade.. I couldn't believe my eyes < 1283572971 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I live in AZ.. and we suck :( < 1283573007 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1283573010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I remember people still struggling with reading in my 3rd grade class. < 1283573014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly, every kid in my kintergarted class learned to read rather quickly < 1283573017 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR sigfigs way earlier than algebra. Then again, ISTR a sigfigs "refresher" in 1st-year undergrad physics. Soooo... < 1283573022 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was at some SLCD place < 1283573038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The teacher decided to teach phonics then. First time they'd seen any hint of words having anything to do with phonemes. < 1283573060 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people make fun of phonics.. but they work < 1283573066 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid phonetic alphabet! Who needs it! < 1283573077 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The School for Language and Communication Development" < 1283573107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Better than brute-force pattern recognition. < 1283573112 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION o.Os at it being a school for children with "language and autism disorders" < 1283573112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which, < 1283573129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, is *not* how Japanese or Chinese people learn their script...) < 1283573155 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Perhaps there is different way learning better for a different language < 1283573170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why o.O < 1283573186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, I'm just pointing that out because some idiots go "ZOMG Chinese does whole language stuff THATS GREAT" < 1283573198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even though there's rather a lot of phonetic cues in there) < 1283573201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I saw political sign saying all kids should learn to read by 3rd grade.. I couldn't believe my eyes ;; what age is third grade????? < 1283573202 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: O, that is why < 1283573211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because this channel has, at least once, tried to convince me that I am not on the spectrum? < 1283573237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why the kindergarden you went to should change any of that. < 1283573238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Uh... 8 to 9. < 1283573249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably everyone in here has at least a minor-- < 1283573253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ... < 1283573254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. < 1283573259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, very funny. < 1283573273 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spectral geo < 1283573274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "n the United States, third grade (called grade 3 in some regions) is a year of primary education. It is the third school year after kindergarten. Students are usually 8 - 9 years old, depending on when their birthday occurs." -- Wikipedia < 1283573299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I... < 1283573324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who can't read by the time they enter nursery -- or at least leave nursery to enter proper school -- are considered thick as all hell. < 1283573327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over here. < 1283573352 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't everyone get the Reading stuff at 8 years old? < 1283573357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Is nursery the equivalent of kindergarten? < 1283573363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "the Reading stuff"? < 1283573367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... What? What? < 1283573377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Pretty much. I'm not sure whether it's leaving nursery or entering nursery when you should be able to read or else you're really fucking retarded. < 1283573377 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ah, yes it is. < 1283573377 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR everyone being able to read, and probably write, in 1st grade. < 1283573385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, someone learning to read in nursery is probably considered fine. < 1283573387 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.abelard.org/asimov.php < 1283573388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although your parents probably suck. < 1283573391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For not teaching you sooner. < 1283573394 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming nursery == kindergarten. < 1283573411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ah, that. < 1283573412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1283573492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Kindergarten is not compulsory in all states. < 1283573517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if nursery is compulsory here. < 1283573521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But point is, wtf Arizona. < 1283573531 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION more cheese toast < 1283573545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As such, there are many who arrive in first grade (that's about-equal to *year two* for you) not being able to read. < 1283573555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, I have addictified cpressey with my quasi-opioid drug toast. < 1283573557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, cheese. < 1283573599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I propose brutal eugenics. < 1283573602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In language first graders are taught the fundamentals of literacy, including reading sentences, writing very simple statements and mastery of the alphabet, building on what the students have learned in kindergarten or other forms of pre-school (although because first grade is the first compulsory level of education in many U.S. states, the level of literacy in incoming students can vary widely)." -- Wikipedia. < 1283573614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it'll be utter fascism for a few generations, but it's not like it'll be any worse than your current political climate. < 1283573616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the *fucking alphabet*. < 1283573621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can get some actual shit done. < 1283573625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Six and seven year olds*. < 1283573684 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with such concepts as "a clock" or "a calendar" or "money". < 1283573701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate your country. < 1283573705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not for your freedom, either. < 1283573718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the feeling this was designed assuming that parents would never interact with their crotch-fruit. < 1283573741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crotch-fruit is the most horrific term I have ever heard. < 1283573869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How does primary-school math education go there? < 1283573940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh... in a way that I utterly cannot remember. Ask Wikipedia. < 1283573953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't detail. < 1283573976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff-like, then. < 1283573978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google it. :P < 1283574025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, have you already read Profession, so I can spoil it? < 1283574064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1283574092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the United States, in mathematics, fourth graders are usually taught how to add and subtract common fractions and decimals. Long division is also generally introduced here, and addition, subtraction, and multiplication of whole numbers is extended to larger numbers." < 1283574104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember, the day we were to learn multiplication < 1283574111 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had watched some tapes on arithmatic < 1283574115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Of ... integers? < 1283574121 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was convinced that a*b != b*a < 1283574122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, naturals. < 1283574132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, of naturals. < 1283574132 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've said this before < 1283574133 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1283574146 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember long division! 4th grade sounds right. I still do it sometimes. < 1283574155 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1283574158 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why were you convinced that a*b != b*a ? < 1283574162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this is clear proof of the matrix < 1283574192 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it made no sense that 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 4 + 4 sort of thing should always work < 1283574221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've mentioned this in here before < 1283574232 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember once, in 6th grade < 1283574254 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convincing myself that 2/0 = 4/0 but not 3/0. I think because 2/0 * 2/2 = 4/0 < 1283574263 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then how did 1/0 interact with stuff < 1283574266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< oerjan> (mind you i don't hold a degree in CS either :D) < 1283574271 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up crying over this < 1283574278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically Sgeo has always been a crank mathematician at heart < 1283574280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was a bit of a crybaby) < 1283574283 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, clearly your degree was in Punning. < 1283574283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok, maybe you are autistic < 1283574308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly, Dot Action has driven me near tears these past few days, but I think that is intentional on the part of its creator. < 1283574310 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or my memory may be wrong :/ < 1283574317 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes you did mention about 2/0 = 4/0 but not 3/0, before. < 1283574368 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283574379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Punning should so have been a city in china < 1283574442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was a man from near Punning, who had an idea oh-so cunning < 1283574465 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1283574477 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limericks are going TOO FAR, cpressey < 1283574479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1283574491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when you don't manage to make them scan < 1283574526 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is "idea" two syllables < 1283574558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it scans _well_ in any case < 1283574580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANnoying: Having to explain to an adult why x/0 is generally not considered to work before explaining how I think I'm getting it to work < 1283574580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There once was a man from near Punning < 1283574581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who had an idea oh-so cunning < 1283574581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to his dismay < 1283574581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waking the next day < 1283574581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He found the neighbour's wife stunning. < 1283574584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't come up with the last line < 1283574591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I made up something random instead < 1283574653 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Um... the "a" in "idea" just sort of floats there non-disruptively in the meter, for my ears. But I can see how it might not technically fit < 1283574757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1283574763 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283574853 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283575232 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik "idea" isn't germanic native < 1283575256 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283575399 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close to finishing stage 32 < 1283575429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :55 is DEATH < 1283575436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIQUID DEATH < 1283575517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: afaik it's greek < 1283575742 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DANG IT < 1283575750 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just got the last green dot on 32 and died < 1283575807 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No flash = No Dot Action 2. :( < 1283575810 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fun thing is that the part that looks hardest is incredibly easy < 1283575882 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEAR! ! ! < 1283575897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yeah, but this is English. < 1283575904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: We despise native words. < 1283575907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And thus no purpose in life. < 1283575946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: To the point of having a non-native *pronoun*. < 1283576056 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? :) < 1283576059 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1283576083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they" is from Old Norse, rather than Old English. < 1283576223 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :33 was annoying < 1283576276 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 34 supposed to be doable? < 1283576329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283576331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is "are". < 1283576440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "am" iirc < 1283576490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, that's from Old English. < 1283576500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obvious cognate with Old Norse, though. < 1283576500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU SAY SO < 1283577198 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I see absolutely no way to travel down the staircase of 34 < 1283577218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Uhh, screenshot me up. I forget. < 1283577239 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying to post screenshots < 1283577251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imgur.com < 1283577257 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I know about it < 1283577262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what's before that's annoying < 1283577266 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, I'm on Windows < 1283577272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt+printscr < 1283577273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mspaint < 1283577274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl+v < 1283577275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :save < 1283577276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :png < 1283577276 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1283577276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1283577277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imgur.com < 1283577279 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying < 1283577288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I'll do all the work for you as well as telling you how to do it. < 1283577291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am too kind ... < 1283577311 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I want a screenshot program that automatically uploads to imgur < 1283577318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: protip < 1283577319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy < 1283577358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: another tip: Higher is better. < 1283577366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another tip: Control is unnecessary. < 1283577384 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of revealed that a bunch of people from another channel are the new people in #falcon < 1283577385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. "Modern Indo-European". < 1283577391 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now one person's asking me from where < 1283577400 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if I should reveal it or not < 1283577403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um < 1283577412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd not reveal. < 1283577414 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start with reconstructed Proto-Indo-European, specify enough of it to make it an actual language. < 1283577414 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I jump before the staircase, I die < 1283577415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't need those people :P < 1283577418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So don't jump. < 1283577436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't jump, I die < 1283577444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless maybe if I start on that elevated thingy and < 1283577514 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ty < 1283577519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I died on that lone block < 1283577584 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of time < 1283577651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy < 1283577654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283577666 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to kill old habits < 1283577710 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C L E A R ! ! ! < 1283578113 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283578486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283578512 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283578827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1283579220 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1283580156 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716] < 1283583066 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283583077 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283583409 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1283584138 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :105 requires a bit of thought < 1283584203 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1283584263 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283584392 0 :cheater00!~cheater@p5B216CA4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283584423 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I just tried writing my first Falcon program, and it doesn't even *work*. < 1283584457 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This language is fascinatingly bad. < 1283584460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1283584470 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Falcon, not Factor < 1283584479 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes. NOT Factor. < 1283584518 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.falconpl.org/index.ftd?page_id=sitewiki&prj_id=_falcon_site&sid=wiki&pwid=Code+Snippets&wid=snippet%3Apicker <-- the first program there, what would you expect it to output? 89, maybe? < 1283584541 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It outputs '1'. < 1283584622 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1283585394 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how well it works, or how good it is. < 1283585455 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does have some good features, such as metacompilation and prototype OOP. < 1283585679 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283586010 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably use a different program language < 1283586402 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283586990 0 :Nomz!~Nomz@203.124.30.0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283587036 0 :Nomz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sum 1 here ????? < 1283587070 0 :Nomz!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get n e reply frmm n e 1 < 1283587199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1283587200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1283587285 0 :Nomz!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1283587406 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283587636 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1283587636 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1283587636 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1283589213 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-223.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283589752 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@m-227.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1283590867 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283591623 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:44:14 clearly INTERCAL is no match for haskell's reverse state monad ← I must see this. < 1283591886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I cannot for the life of me tell how it works. < 1283592337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the let statement is completely insane. < 1283593181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, I missed out on the cheese discussion. < 1283593403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:59:54 pikhq: Uh, around the same age. ← My school did it at around 11 or 12 for the top set, although it was pretty trivial. < 1283593877 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283594380 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Falcon is a small, fast and powerful embeddable programming language." < 1283594392 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently they are using some odd definition of "small". < 1283594775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god, I have it! < 1283594786 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're trying to make a language bigger than Common Lisp! < 1283594834 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1283595063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283595447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying, it seems I have constructive interference of the noise from my computer and my monitor. Causing a very annoying high pitched tone exactly where it is most comfortable to sit. Moving head a few cm in any direction removes the noise. Turning off monitor removes it. But it isn't there when listening close to the monitor when it is turned on. < 1283596143 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1283596234 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B216CA4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283598736 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@78.104.80.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283598738 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283601529 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1283601840 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have come to the conclusion that brainfuck is not an esoteric language; it is well known and somewhat popular. The only thing that can define it as esoteric, as of now, is its being of a turing tarpit. However, many non-esoteric languages are also turing tarpits - such as BASIC, Bash, and PHP. < 1283601845 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sarcasm) < 1283602791 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP is turing tarpit?? < 1283602993 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_UNIX-HATERS_Handbook < 1283602997 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is now. < 1283603005 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, it was almost like Windows for them < 1283603044 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1283603079 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3 Documentation? What Documentation?" < 1283603097 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can assign almost every chapter to recent MS Windows systems < 1283603116 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows XP is still my favorite OS < 1283603145 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from the lack of inter-process comunication, and driver hell, I haven't had a single problem with the OS itself. < 1283603161 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1283603165 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not counting the lack of DX10/11. < 1283603168 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also used it for a long time < 1283603188 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not counting the awful Luna theme. < 1283603188 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then my computers had more cores and RAM than XP can handle < 1283603199 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283603213 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran it on a 2 ghz machien with 2 GB RAM, and an ati x1500. < 1283603217 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :machine* < 1283603354 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides he hates the UHH purely on the basis of its front cover. < 1283603380 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good points aren't something that you throw away because of their tone and source. < 1283603423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They overlaid black text on a black-and-white image. < 1283603428 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should DIE. < 1283603461 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1283603781 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1283603829 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1283604217 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uugh enumerators < 1283604518 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1283604879 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1283605857 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1283607983 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1283611676 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@j-123.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1283612697 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, < 1283612697 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: then it was that the text was indeed in english. < 1283612706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOO < 1283613568 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.124.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283613985 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now of the opinion that Turkish Star Wars is far funnier than Plan 9. < 1283614482 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283614498 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have written a "munching squares" program for BytePusher. < 1283615325 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION munches squares < 1283615466 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is much shorter than the other two programs. < 1283615503 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program is 3073 bytes long. The scrolling logo is 100608 bytes long. The keyboard test is 130558 bytes long. < 1283615572 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the screenshot on the wiki page for BytePusher < 1283616257 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There is a article about munching squares on Wikipedia) < 1283616258 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:53 < OmniMancer> from what I read in the logs these people have been locked in a closet with a small set of very pure langauges all their lives and know nothing of the real world < 1283616281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that is kind of true < 1283616299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: from #falcon? < 1283616305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1283616316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is jonnymind there? < 1283616320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1283616322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, yes. So he can ban me. < 1283616345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: has the discussion been relatively civil? < 1283616347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before this < 1283616368 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, jonnymind wasn't there until just before I left. < 1283616377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ^? < 1283616384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: has it been? < 1283616425 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OmniMancer was exasperated, but that was the extent of it. < 1283616570 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example of PUSHEM code: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/prog/BytePusher/Munching_Squares.pushem < 1283616618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Tell me what the replies are :-) < 1283616620 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283616630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's cool < 1283616694 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Can you understand this code? < 1283616706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, but i haven't tried < 1283616805 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you try? < 1283616898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might another time < 1283616900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite long < 1283616943 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1283617181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, bah, I wanted to see an epic debate. < 1283617198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's leave those retards alone. :D < 1283617202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're no fun. < 1283618358 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E6CFB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283619422 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283619442 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283619659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1996, Forbes went to work for Microsoft,[1] and Microsoft's cabinet archiver was enhanced to include the LZX compression method. Improvements included a variable search window size; Amiga LZX was fixed to 64kB, Microsoft LZX could range on powers of two between 32 and 2048 kilobytes. A special preprocessor was added to detect Intel 80x86 "CALL" instructions, converting their operands from relative addressing to absolute addressing, thus calls to the sam < 1283619659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e location resulted in repeated strings that the compressor could match, improving compression of 80x86 binary code. < 1283619893 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, I'm out of there, now. I kept it civil. < 1283620438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283620814 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283620873 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION despairs at Coq's coinduction. < 1283620930 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283621102 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1283621113 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283621132 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I just want to define the nats as a coinductive stream! < 1283621228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, why? < 1283621240 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the lulz! < 1283621249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't sound hard. < 1283621330 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried defining stream and smap appropriately, then defining the nats as cons 0 (smap S nats), but that violates one of the restrictions. < 1283621454 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's that smap isn't a constructor of stream, but I might be wrong. < 1283621687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest defining your own types. < 1283621690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That usually works. < 1283621692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, I see. < 1283621700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do it manually. < 1283621822 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1283621891 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do what manually? < 1283621909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write your own corecursive thing directly < 1283621912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than calling smap < 1283621966 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work..? < 1283622137 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really see how... < 1283622269 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you presumably need to use a corecursive function to map S on a stream, and then we're back at square 1. < 1283622329 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there's a Super Ultra Clever way of doing it. < 1283622351 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B216CA4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283622495 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283622780 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283622852 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, name a function over the complexes right now. < 1283622873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Uh, argument. < 1283622886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addition. :P < 1283622901 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "over the complexes" I mean having type C → C < 1283622958 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1283623048 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is probably an abuse of notation, but whatever. < 1283623059 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, try again? < 1283623087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Addition where you pack the two together. < 1283623120 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Do you mean having type C -> C but *not* type R -> R or Z -> Z ? < 1283623120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, uh, conjugate. < 1283623130 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz, like, yeah. Addition. < 1283623132 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z? < 1283623138 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Integers < 1283623140 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1283623146 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you don't know what Z is? < 1283623151 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1283623157 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1283623163 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do now. And I did once. < 1283623164 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my fault for not Blackboard Bold'ing it. < 1283623193 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what would be interesting about having... actually, no < 1283623197 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it should have interesting properties when an image is transformed with it. < 1283623202 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R->R but not Z->Z would also be interesting < 1283623209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Not really. < 1283623221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, multiply by i? < 1283623229 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that < 1283623236 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not _that_ interesting < 1283623241 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, do you know how boring that is? < 1283623242 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just rotation, I think < 1283623256 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rotate by 90°" < 1283623295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: e^x? < 1283623309 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, been done. < 1283623318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, pics? < 1283623319 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if tan has. < 1283623326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: What does e^x produce for images? < 1283623334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, pi^. :P < 1283623397 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, SRoMG does this a lot, and I'm wondering what else can be tried. < 1283623453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please stop using that incomprehensible abbreviation. < 1283623496 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Square Root of Minus Garfield? < 1283623497 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But typing "Square Root of Minus Garfield" goes contrary to my laziness! < 1283623513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes < 1283623513 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, part of the Mezzacottapeligo. < 1283623518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arcsin(Garfield) is awesome < 1283623520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sin(Garfield) too < 1283623532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=433 < 1283623534 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1283623535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=473 < 1283623539 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what else can we do? < 1283623539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for cpressey) < 1283623547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: i^x? :PPP < 1283623577 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex exponentiation still hurts my brain. < 1283623579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::pppppppppp < 1283623599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=415 log. Awesome! < 1283623616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=400 exp) < 1283623643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, there's 1 Over Garfield. < 1283623643 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION quite liked Garfield^-1 centred on Garfield's thought bubble. < 1283623646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=407 < 1283623649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING DISTURBING < 1283623693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=388 < 1283623701 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT SURE WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS CRAZY < 1283623719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Complex little creatures, aren't they?" http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=156 < 1283623733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Cube root is beautiful. http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=380 < 1283623780 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could satarize these strips with a 1 + Garfield < 1283623822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firstly, not a word. < 1283623830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secondly, it's already a loving parody of Garfield Minus Garfield. < 1283623851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=368 < 1283623852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAR GOD < 1283623863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=351 fffff < 1283623894 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? It's more an experimental toying with Garfield. < 1283623894 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a Fourier transform of Garfield. < 1283623899 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as a sort of Garfield. < 1283623922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: But it is inspired by, at least. < 1283623924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, now read through all the Mezzacotta strips < 1283623953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1283623975 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1283623992 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, OLD < 1283624007 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283624008 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether to start on Lightning Made of Owls. < 1283624056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Link me to the FFT? < 1283624059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, FT. < 1283624073 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=43 < 1283624088 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By DMM himself. < 1283624183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1283624188 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=26 polar cöordinate transformed. < 1283624204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diaeresis fail. < 1283624221 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. Indeëd. < 1283624257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diaeresis fail. < 1283624283 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deliberate that time. < 1283624330 0 :cheater99!~cheater@p5B216CA4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283624463 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Oöps. < 1283624502 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My right ear's working again! < 1283624668 0 :nooga!~root@86-63-110-58.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1283624688 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use Y Windowing System < 1283624780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that exists < 1283624818 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder... why < 1283624827 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. I can say "asshole" on Fark? < 1283624913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say asshole any time. < 1283624916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: because X is awful < 1283624932 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: My idea about while loops an TCL (I don't know if you recall it; doesn't really matter) did not turn out to be interesting, < 1283624944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1283624979 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take the language of while programs. Add some kind of homoiconicity so that you can build programs from inside it. Enforce the rule that inside each while loop, the program must re-define the meaning of "while". < 1283624986 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I can't say "fuck" on Fark < 1283624989 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns it to "Fark" < 1283625002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you don't what? < 1283625007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Fark is utter crap, anyway. < 1283625030 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: pr. don't recall my offhand remark about my silly idea < 1283625035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't remember cpressey's idea about while loops and TCL < 1283625042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ah < 1283625050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TCL as in Tcl/Tk? < 1283625054 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there it is, if anyone wants it. < 1283625072 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. Someone was answering someone else's question about TCL here at the time. < 1283625088 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think ais523 was playing with expect, that's why. < 1283625100 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@k-43.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1283625112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I was < 1283625161 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's true < 1283625177 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering if there's something that could replace X in linux < 1283625186 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess there isn't < 1283625235 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can run GTK+ stuff in DirectFB, that's sort of replacing X, but I don't know why anyone would. < 1283625269 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's wait for open Aqua reimplementation < 1283625339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Quartz < 1283625340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Aqua < 1283625342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you care about < 1283625362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, it's just Display Postscript < 1283625363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with PDFs < 1283625389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone is working on some X-compatible replacement minimal thing i think < 1283625392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if it's any good < 1283625396 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squeak and Pharo have some framebuffer thingy < 1283625402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wayland < 1283625403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think' < 1283625404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server) < 1283625425 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just realized that means Macs are running a crippled monster forthoid in their display systems. < 1283625429 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shweet. < 1283625434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if it's actually X-compatible < 1283625442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Nothin' wrong with PDF. < 1283625448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PostScript is cool, and PDF is just non-TC binary PostScript. < 1283625462 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Thus, forthoid. < 1283625467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not a crippled monster :P < 1283625483 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Factor a forthoid? < 1283625489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, you used to be able to screenshot to PDF and windows were layers and shit. < 1283625491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also XDirectFB, which can put X windows into a DirectFB screen. (Don't know how compatible that is either.) < 1283625496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it would scale (although a lot of graphics are bitmaps) < 1283625497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was cool < 1283625501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno if you still can < 1283625505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It used to be the default screenshot format) < 1283625511 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. non-TC <-> crippled. Monster, referring to some of the interestingness that PS layered in. < 1283625562 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I thought that's obvious? Unless you get pedantic. < 1283625590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1283625594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor is a Joyoid. < 1283625596 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all concatenative languages are "forthoids"? What's the point of the term "forthoid" then < 1283625599 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1283625607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was more of a Forthoid to begin with. < 1283625616 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, non-TC <-> crippled? < 1283625618 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wha? < 1283625622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now with quotations and the like it's an imperative Joy, rather than a functional Forth. < 1283625624 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were Practical... < 1283625660 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION borrows oerjan's palm frond and swats Phantom_Hoover_ -----###### < 1283625663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course non-TC <-> crippled < 1283625667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HAHAHA @ cpressey being practical < 1283625679 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a music scale (4/8,5/8,6/8,7/8,8/8) < 1283625699 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so all programs are crippled, then? < 1283625701 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, make a scale (3/6,4/6,5/6,6/6) < 1283625714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If cpressey invented Befunge-93 today, it wouldn't have a defined ASCII representation, it would be based on Minkowski space, it would have only 7 instructions, and the playfield would be 80 x infinity for some mathematical reason. < 1283625725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, the defined ASCII representation would be crazy and probably 1D. < 1283625735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, that's what the little copy of cpressey in my head would do. < 1283625784 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? I misconceived, then. < 1283625784 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be... close. Ish. < 1283625800 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we'll never know. < 1283625819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And it would only be arguably computable. :P < 1283625858 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its semantics would certainly not depend so unspeakably on those of C, that's for sure. < 1283625882 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yoin < 1283625890 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Should I even ask what "Practical" with a capital P means to you? < 1283625906 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz that's, uh, a bit creepy to see. < 1283625928 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like identifying oneself as a Bright, or something. < 1283625964 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1283626004 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't come back after reboot that means i borked my partition table < 1283626009 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1283626010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, ByteByteJump is {**(pc+1) = **pc; pc = *(pc+2)}. Is {**(pc+1) = **pc; pc = **pc} TC? < 1283626032 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brbuibmpt" < 1283626048 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1283626142 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: uhhhhhhh < 1283626184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes? < 1283626190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pc is program counter, of course. < 1283626191 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I think it is < 1283626205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: See, if I want to compete with BytePusher, I have to come up with my own, totally more awesome OISC. < 1283626206 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe not < 1283626213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that has only two operands, making it INSTANTLY SUPERIOR. < 1283626248 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is, because I think you can encode SMETANA in it, but my brain isn't really working < 1283626294 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I think it's not < 1283626305 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shows you how good I am at thi < 1283626308 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this. < 1283626340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AR CH Æ OL OG Y < 1283626349 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh btw, that P != NP proof was debunked, wasn't it? < 1283626356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it? < 1283626365 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heerd rumours, is all. < 1283626372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An August 2010 claim by Vinay Deolalikar, a researcher at HP Labs, received heavy Internet and press attention after being initially described as "seem[ing] to be a relatively serious attempt" by two leading specialists. The proof has been reviewed publicly by academics,[22] and it was found to contain irreparable conceptual-level errors as well as a number of concrete errors and flaws.[23] < 1283626373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1283626397 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irreparable conceptual errors! < 1283626536 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if you can nicely define division using coinductive nats in Coq. < 1283626549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think {**pc = **(pc+1); pc = **(pc+1)} is a better instruction. < 1283626552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION codes up a VM to play with it < 1283626654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, an infinite loop is... < 1283626662 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that infinity is S infinity, and hence div n 0 = infinity. < 1283626681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X: DO (X+1) X < 1283626684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1283626689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right? < 1283626739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64K of RAM should be enough for everyone < 1283626743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*everyone. < 1283626789 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It depend what you do < 1283626803 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a one instruction computer, it might not be enough for large programs < 1283626873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, ByteByteJump has a major flaw. < 1283626882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program counter is not exposed in memory. < 1283626907 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so jumps are impossible/ < 1283626912 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1283626938 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Is that a flaw? I programmed a BytePusher program, with conditional jumps < 1283626975 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it has no calculation built-in, you have to use tables, and that makes my "munching squares" program size 3K (plus one byte). < 1283627001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is {*pc = m[*pc] = m[*pc + 1]} valid C? < 1283627005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That assignment to *pc makes me think not. < 1283627019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, although not valid portable C < 1283627025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meaning? < 1283627033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's conforming C because I know of at least one C compiler that accepts it, given an appopriate definition for PC < 1283627039 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on which an appropriate definition is actually possible < 1283627046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit < 1283627046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's UB < 1283627056 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question, is, is it portable and properly defined? < 1283627056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: a program can contain UB and be conforming < 1283627061 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is a valid C code, though < 1283627063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1283627076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"conforming C" means "accepted by at least one C compiler", according to the standard < 1283627082 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any proper C compiler should compile it (as long as you put the semicolon in where it belongs) < 1283627082 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1283627092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just choose an arbitrary compiler that happens to define the particular UB you're using < 1283627095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, sure about that? I thought it meant following standard < 1283627099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"strictly conforming" is what it needs to be accepted by all < 1283627101 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283627116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what if all happens to implement that UB the same way? < 1283627123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems unlikely < 1283627135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true, but would it be strictly conforming then? < 1283627139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1283627146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283627166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it's defined as "conforming + no UB, unspecified behaviour never matters, implementation-defined behaviour never matters" < 1283627212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm it could still end up strange if _all_ implementations misimplements a given part < 1283627223 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means there is no compiler accepting the program < 1283627223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there are no implementatiosn < 1283627227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*implementations < 1283627231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1283627248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you might be interesting to know that the C standard doesn't define behaviour of the programs output by a compiler < 1283627252 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and no program could ever be conforming < 1283627255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fread(x, N, ...) will always read N if the stream has at least N bytes in it, right? < 1283627257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a compiler can just not produce an executable and still be strictly conforming < 1283627258 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ha < 1283627275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hehe... < 1283627290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no, it can return a lower value if there will eventually be N bytes in the stream but they can't be retrieved immediately for some reason < 1283627316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this is a file < 1283627317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meh < 1283627330 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most common reason by far is network timeouts (say NFS), but there are others < 1283627345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on a regular, local file? < 1283627348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just a quick hack, so < 1283627361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a quick hack, as long as your OS isn't doing some sort of crazy buffering you'll befine < 1283627363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be fine < 1283627376 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that depend on mount options for the nfs fs in question < 1283627391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I reimplemented awk in about 10 lines for a quick hack this mornign < 1283627409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it wouldn't work for general awk files, but it's good enough for processing autoconf output on a system that doesn't have awk < 1283627415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I'm pretty sure (due to having used them) that there are mount options for nfs that makes it timeout instead of stall forever < 1283627439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I tend to think in terms of "x can do that" rather than "x does do that" < 1283627464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1138253.txt?key=4fz7yhgu7qu0jczaxsla ;; that's the kind of instruction loop I like. < 1283627466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1283627469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for C programming, you know "under circumstances x, y can go wrong" and don't care about knowing the exact details of x < 1283627526 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things can go strange for sshfs (fuse based) too. If a file is open it won't time out and unmount if network is lost. Sometimes. < 1283627565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1138253.txt?key=4fz7yhgu7qu0jczaxsla < 1283627566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1138256.txt < 1283627574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second of these is likely to be more efficient, right? < 1283627604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: reading from a network socket, if read's argument is larger than the packet size then it nearly always returns one packet rather than the amount you specified < 1283627607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus you have read returning low then < 1283627624 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well yes < 1283627643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also EOF < 1283627666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't read EOF from an unclosed network socket, unless there's an error < 1283627680 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, GAS‽ I thought you had taste! < 1283627684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously, I meant for streams and standard input < 1283627701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in the standard input case you could get a "fake" EOF so to speak, from ctrl-d < 1283627703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I didn't write it, dude, gcc and clang did. < 1283627728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, profile them < 1283627733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, best way to find out < 1283627811 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "mov %edx, %edx" seems to do nothing < 1283627827 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that sort of thing is sometimes useful to set flags, but it doesn't seem to actually look at the flags afterwards < 1283627856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the m() refers to a flag; I don't understand the syntax < 1283627906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov doesn't set flags anyway. < 1283627911 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I presume m is a variable from elsewhere < 1283627912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1283627916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with -Os it omits that instruction < 1283627917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the only way that makes sense < 1283627925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, wait no < 1283627927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1138256.txt < 1283627929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is obviously better, I think < 1283627933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, am I muddling x86 with other asms? < 1283627943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 6502, it sets the zero flag, although not the others < 1283627946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m is a variable from elsewhere < 1283627965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1138256.txt in clang's output it is just: < 1283627971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vm: < 1283627974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :word m[ram_words]; < 1283627993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1283627998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :word m[ram_words] = {load_addr}; < 1283628001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would this initialise the rest to 0? < 1283628017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that looks like llvm asm < 1283628028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does? < 1283628034 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the word stuff < 1283628041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just my #define for int32_t < 1283628046 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: your interrobangs annoy me so much I just set my IRC client to replace interrobangs with normal question marks < 1283628047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :load_addr is 1 < 1283628049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://pastie.org/1138256.txt in clang's output it is just: < 1283628049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : vm: < 1283628049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : word m[ram_words]; < 1283628051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, eh? < 1283628060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............ < 1283628077 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well it doesn't make sense < 1283628085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not talking to you < 1283628093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still doesn't make sense though < 1283628109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm actually it is m: < 1283628122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why do the interrobangs annoy you? < 1283628139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool it segfaults < 1283628141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's very rarely used correctly < 1283628157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is used to replace !? and/or ?! afaik? < 1283628158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't then, really, for instance < 1283628161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think the usual thing to do is to set flags on arithmetics, not movs, but I really haven't made a survey on this. (My handy single-page messy 6502 instruction chart says LDA/LDX/LDY set both N and Z.) < 1283628167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, and I dislike the punctuation generally < 1283628192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, he could just switch to use !? or !? then. Are you going to filter that as well? < 1283628196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exclamations are generally annoying < 1283628212 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if someone came in here and ended all their sentences with !, we'd get annoyed quickly < 1283628213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No they're not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1283628219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an interrobang is just another sort of exclamation < 1283628220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would we! I don't think we would! < 1283628225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we would like it! < 1283628243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's getting on my nerves already... < 1283628256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people! < 1283628259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'll stop now. < 1283628273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes. But there are reasons to use it. Like: "wow, some quick calculation shows that that the probability for that coincidence is 1 of 10^23!" or similar < 1283628276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl food < 1283628292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that implies 10 to the 23 factorial to me < 1283628423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, the VM uses 100% of a CPU for its infinite loop. < 1283628586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, how can it segfault? < 1283628591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (;;) { < 1283628592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m[m[0]] = x = m[m[0] + 1]; < 1283628592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m[0] = x; < 1283628592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1283628595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all unsigned. < 1283628599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, I said a 16-bit machine. Heh. < 1283628613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And coded my thing wrong. < 1283628702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It no worky. < 1283628737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, cpressey, you implement this machine. < 1283628850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tell me why chr(x&256) + chr(x>>8) doesn't work. < 1283628872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, < 1283628874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Oops. < 1283628877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :& 255 it should be! < 1283628902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, this depends on endianness. < 1283628903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eurgh! < 1283628916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: RELIEVE THE PAIN < 1283628921 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: STOP USING C < 1283628927 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts alise to sleep < 1283628928 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, was away, just came back. < 1283628930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: BUT IT'S A LOW-LEVEL VM MACHINE THING < 1283628941 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use Forth for low-level stuff! < 1283628971 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell first. THEN C. That's my opinion, anyway, not that I always follow it. < 1283629034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Okay. Do it in Haskell then. < 1283629153 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always do it with liberal use of monads. < 1283629168 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at his smallness < 1283629173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to my tallness < 1283629177 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My porcelain doll-ness < 1283629185 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My port-in-a-squall-ness < 1283629188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> I mean, I reimplemented awk in about 10 lines for a quick hack this mornign < 1283629197 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In what language? C?? < 1283629200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shellscript < 1283629207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I cheated and used a2p < 1283629217 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Kids-in-the-Hall-ness / My Pink-Floyd's-"The-Wall"-ness / My just all in all-ness < 1283629221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other lines were working around bugs in a2p < 1283629224 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wonderful me-ness < 1283629226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parsing arguments < 1283629228 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hammer the pe--- < 1283629233 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ople can tell < 1283629250 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry about spamminess < 1283629336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, that implies 10 to the 23 factorial to me <-- hm? < 1283629346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 10^23! < 1283629368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "1 out of 10^23" means "pretty unlikely" to me in that context < 1283629398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal demonstrates new heights of reading comprehension. < 1283629403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He could get a Ph.D. in it at this rate. < 1283629439 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You are forgiven. But only if you are drunk. < 1283629447 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeep < 1283629449 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not < 1283629452 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tired though < 1283629467 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll let "tired" go. THIS time. < 1283629507 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1283629522 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh right, now I get what he meant < 1283629526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Haskell is a pain < 1283629534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my point was "!" is useful in some cases < 1283629536 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for something as simple and array-y as this) < 1283629549 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to use Python. < 1283629552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's useful if you want to speak about fractionals. < 1283629552 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stops himself. < 1283629557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make an esolang that uses interrobang in it's syntax... < 1283629557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283629582 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283629595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember to make it do some sort of combination of ? and !. < 1283629607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well yes < 1283629617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't make it isomorphic (if that's the term) to BF < 1283629639 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or maybe it should be like intercals over-strike stuff < 1283629643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: < 1283629645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void vm() < 1283629645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1283629645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : word x; < 1283629645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (;;) { < 1283629646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m[m[0]] = x = m[m[0] + 1]; < 1283629648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : m[0] = x; < 1283629650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1283629652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1283629654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit values, full 16-bit memory < 1283629656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as in either the unicode code point, or !? are allowed < 1283629660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it loads a raw memory image < 1283629663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(two bytes to the value) < 1283629667 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like it does for ." < 1283629670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :initial m[0] is assigned by the memory file < 1283629693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a program that takes a bunch of integers separated by whitespace and spits out a \0-padded memory image plus the first value being "1" to point to the first number entered would be cool too < 1283629699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to pave the way for an assembler) < 1283629703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROCEED, SLAVE < 1283629731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ITRALCEN or whatever it was called was going to use interrobang for its metaevaluation stuff. < 1283629738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble INTERCAL < 1283629738 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITRALCEN < 1283629742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITRALCEN. < 1283629750 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1283629756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sounds cool < 1283629759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, I never actually ended up doing it. < 1283629763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it was < 1283629768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all the INTERCAL language was implemented using it < 1283629770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically < 1283629771 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah, right, it was you who made the idea up < 1283629776 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to ask < 1283629786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was going to accept ?! too < 1283629788 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://pastie.org/1138303 < 1283629788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the same way < 1283629794 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw < 1283629796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, heh < 1283629802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Well /that/ bit is the easy part. < 1283629831 0 :nooga!~root@86-63-110-58.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1283629832 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, you asked. < 1283629838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283629843 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, why lua? < 1283629843 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm having wild problems with restoring ext3 partition < 1283629854 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Haskell lost. Then Python lost. < 1283629859 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smacks forehead < 1283629867 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoulda done it in Falcon or R! < 1283629869 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E6CFB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283629871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, and the problem you are trying to solve is? < 1283629885 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lua is nice, besides the syntax < 1283629889 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, DO IT IN FALCON < 1283629893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is doing a great imitation of ignoring me while proving he isn't < 1283629898 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like pascalified javascript < 1283629952 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Damn, I would have to look up how they do arrays. < 1283629964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um? am I ignoring you? < 1283629976 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I picked Lua because I knew I could just start using m as if it was an array, and it would be. < 1283630007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, but you asked what cpressey was doing just after I FORCED him to do it. (Well, not exactly that.) < 1283630050 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I was wondering what the goal of the program was. That function didn't look like it was a complete program to me < 1283630074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called an esolang. < 1283630077 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's alise's putative successor to ByteByteJump. < 1283630080 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definedness of "m[m[0]] = x = m[m[0] + 1];" looks unclear, but perhaps this was already spoken about (I'm not really following the discussion here). < 1283630085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although his program is, uh, incomplete. < 1283630091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Huh, surely /that/'s ok? < 1283630093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1283630100 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If m[0] == 0, especially. < 1283630100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why would it not be? < 1283630110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed. No input or output of any kind. Pretty useless as it is. Which is why I asked < 1283630115 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but VM I guess then < 1283630127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a reference implementation. < 1283630132 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283630145 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I coded the /interesting/ part of the semantics. < 1283630146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, looks OISCy? < 1283630149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm basically trying to usurp BytePusher in awesomeness. < 1283630151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1283630183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A B means "*A = *B; jump to address B" < 1283630264 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1283630272 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is there any IO or such (possibly by using memory mapped IO registers or similar)? < 1283630297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In a computer, yes. In the architecture, no. < 1283630305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and memory location 0 is the program counter, of course. < 1283630320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283630322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumping to 0 is *quite* fun, in the "HOW DOES THIS WORK" sense. < 1283630328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and this is not a computerish implementation? < 1283630331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first operand of your first instruction becomes a second one. < 1283630335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's just the basis for one. < 1283630352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual computer will be like BytePusher but more awesome. A proper sound chip rather than just raw PCM. < 1283630359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synthesiser, that is. < 1283630366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All done memory-mapped, naturally. < 1283630371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, does the architecture reserve some specific memory addresses for such usage? To prevent a situation where different implementations put them in completely different areas < 1283630386 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the world of esoputers. < 1283630394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. ARM and Z80 don't tell you what the computer should look like either. < 1283630403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're ISAs; the rest is up to the computer architecture. < 1283630423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. Are you going to define such an architecture as well? < 1283630438 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm not even sure about the "m[m[0]] = x;" part. There's no additional sequence points, and if m[0] == 0, you have a write to m[0], and a read from m[0], and you're only allowed to read the previous value "only to determine the value to be stored", which doesn't seem to be the case here. I don't think there's any rule that'd let you apply any "but m[0] *must* be read before the m[m[0]] write can know where it's writing to"; but there's a horribly long th < 1283630439 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read about these and related points in comp.lang.c. < 1283630443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The actual computer will be like BytePusher but more awesome. A proper sound chip rather than just raw PCM. < 1283630443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Synthesiser, that is. < 1283630443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : All done memory-mapped, naturally. < 1283630444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Adding the "= m[m[0]+1]" bit makes it even less clear, though.) < 1283630460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Blargh. < 1283630477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a big deal, I can fix it. < 1283630487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely want an in-memory PC though. < 1283630489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That shit is FUN. < 1283630507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0 X" is an unconditional jump to X. :-) < 1283630521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since *X gets put in the program counter, but then it gets set to X < 1283630533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in practise it seems tricky to be able to resolve the location of m[m[0]] before reading m[0] < 1283630552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, well, that's you using logic again. < 1283630568 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but with the = m[m[0]+1] it is harder to know < 1283630609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: m[m[0]] is just **m. < 1283630612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, could have memory doing strange things like erasing m[m[0]] while reading m[m[0]+1]. For some sort of arcane memory < 1283630613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I'm pretty sure is valid, you know. < 1283630615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, no it's not. < 1283630619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *(m + *m). < 1283630622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess is more iffy. < 1283630624 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash? Though I doubt anyone uses that for main memory < 1283630631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if m is in 0? :-) < 1283630640 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg flash for core. < 1283630652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, yeah, presumably NOR then < 1283630653 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be... sluggish < 1283630654 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283630663 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, would be worse if NAND < 1283630667 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And take a lot of power, relatively speaking < 1283630673 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact I can't see how NAND could even work for it < 1283630679 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E6CFB.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283630763 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder what type of microprocessor is used in a normal harddrive... < 1283630807 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would Marilyn vos Savant be a good fit for this channel? < 1283630810 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypothetically? < 1283630837 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1283630870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's annoying < 1283630880 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I think my desktop has at least 5 processor cores, considering CPU, GPU, two harddrives, one dvd and one sound card. GPU probably consists of more than one in reality < 1283630901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because of her surname :) < 1283630908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know the sound card has a DSP, it's a SB Live 5.1 with that EMU10k DSP thingy) < 1283630951 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... are you *sure* you're not drunk? < 1283630968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can she even program? < 1283630976 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless someone drugged me with alcohol... < 1283630980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has she done anything other than popularising Monty Hall and other simple problems and, at one point, having a very high IQ? < 1283630981 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A few months after the announcement by Andrew Wiles that he had proved Fermat's Last Theorem, vos Savant published her book The World's Most Famous Math Problem in October 1993.[15] The book surveys the history of Fermat's last theorem as well as other mathematical mysteries. Controversy came from the book's criticism of Wiles' proof; vos Savant was accused of misunderstanding mathematical induction, proof by contradiction, < 1283631022 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, was that the incorrect announcement, or the correct one? < 1283631029 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what about other drugs than alcohol then? < 1283631035 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Her assertion that Wiles' proof should be rejected for its use of non-Euclidean geometry was especially contested." < 1283631038 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad fit. < 1283631047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, other drugs wouldn't make me drunk < 1283631053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hahaahahaha < 1283631065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, this is definitely alcohol or nothing < 1283631077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although at this level Sgeo should be having trouble typing with accuracy < 1283631086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 1993 would be the original < 1283631089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but clearly her criticism is bullshit < 1283631095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1283631113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when a girl IMed me with "I < 1283631119 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm aseunk" < 1283631130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1283631131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What if Marilyn von Savant is actually ALL OF US... man... < 1283631140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[universe changes] < 1283631147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : WHY ARE THE WALLS BREATHING I BLAME WHOEVER DEVELOPS ACTIVEWORLDS < 1283631157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[universe changes] < 1283631158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283631220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, heh < 1283631225 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, stage 101 is fun < 1283631230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: stop cheating < 1283631234 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah those are different drugs < 1283631244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: CONGRATULATIONS YOU GOT THE JOKE < 1283631247 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you've been dot-act-2-ing again? < 1283631250 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is it cheating if the code is given in the instructions? < 1283631262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what instructions? < 1283631264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose not < 1283631267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say? < 1283631276 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1283631284 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use Google Translate < 1283631285 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on < 1283631300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The password "086-754" to enter, can play a bonus stage." < 1283631310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1283631313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complete 100 to get it < 1283631314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1283631318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1283631329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 101-108 for a reason! :| < 1283631332 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but for all I know there could be some drug other than alcohol that gives similar symptoms. I mean, the phase-space of possible drugs is hardly small enough to be completely explored. < 1283631341 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, I can't recall how many stages I cleared; just that it was >90, <100. < 1283631344 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, when I type in the code, I don't see 1-100 in the list < 1283631353 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 101-108 < 1283631358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: afaik alcohol is fairly unique in its effects < 1283631364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, but they come after 100, obviously < 1283631368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do you do 55? < 1283631373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot figure it out. < 1283631411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is it proven that no future drug could give similar effects? Maybe some mad scientist gave Sgeo a sample of a new drug to test it out on him! < 1283631424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Do you have that 1-100 code somewhere? I don't think I can manage to do 1-54 to see 55 for you. < 1283631436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://jayisgames.com/archives/2007/04/dot_action_2.php#walkthrough < 1283631439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has codes for every level < 1283631452 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I dug it out of the swf myself back then. :p < 1283631455 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alcohol is chemically simpler than most drugs. From what I understand, it does what it does because your brain is busy "digesting" it. < 1283631492 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to, say, psychoactives which bind to various neural receptors. < 1283631541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm okay < 1283631555 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, fwiw, I think it would be hard to come up with an "alcohol-alike" drug < 1283631574 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: IIRC, you just need to hit the middle one of the three green blocks on the left, and keep pressing right; it'll keep flipping around, but it'll bounce from the above/below greens so that you can catch the blue. < 1283631576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283631595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: aha! < 1283631612 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101 is really, really fun < 1283631638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, btw I remember a funny video showing the effects of various drugs and driving. (not using actual drugs of course) < 1283631642 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might take a few tries to work out right, it's not exactly a very straight-forward thing. < 1283631644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue where it was I saw it < 1283631650 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the only bonus level that I solved, iirc < 1283631662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know which one you're talking about. < 1283631665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relatively amusing. < 1283631675 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, iirc lsd+driving was hilarious < 1283631682 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm I think the video was in German? < 1283631685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283631743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which is the middle one? < 1283631768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, on the left < 1283631826 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _think_ I did 105 < 1283631879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, cpressey: found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHDeMMzkHrI < 1283631884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did 55 woot < 1283631901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :107 is just a race against the clock < 1283631933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More specifically, ethanol acts in the central nervous system by binding to the GABA-A receptor, increasing the effects of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA (i.e. it is a positive allosteric modulator)[68]." < 1283631990 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lsd+driving is suicide < 1283632008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :108 is a tricky race against thge clock < 1283632028 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, most likely every one of those is suicide < 1283632036 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1283632043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to varying degree < 1283632051 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marijuana is harmless i think < 1283632057 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it comes to driving < 1283632067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannabis probably has the least effect < 1283632071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it has the least effect of everything < 1283632073 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, I don't think it was in the video though? Unless it's German name is very different < 1283632086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the video isn't exactly true to real life... < 1283632092 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well of course < 1283632096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the primary effect of LSD is seeing a creepy bunny. < 1283632097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it was supposed to be funny < 1283632101 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed. < 1283632128 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on lsd you would probably love the car you're driving and feel strong emmotional connection to the trees standing by the road < 1283632138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, with "those" in " nooga, most likely every one of those is suicide" I was referring to those in the video though < 1283632139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gahaha@56 < 1283632142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Haschisch" is second one in the video. < 1283632159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: at a regular dose isn't it a bit arguable whether you'd recognise them as trees or not? < 1283632165 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that same as marijuana ? < 1283632176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't speak German < 1283632178 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then comes the pink-blue, glowing squirrelephant that pursues you < 1283632191 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the same as en:hashish, which is same stuff in a bit different form. < 1283632197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283632203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, stage 101 < 1283632204 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now < 1283632207 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can't say I'm a drug expert < 1283632229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: unlike you i wish to play the game in order from start to finish < 1283632253 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't think 101 is after the finish < 1283632266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101 typically comes after 100. < 1283632284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it's technically speaking in a different list. < 1283632334 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see a changelog between 1.01 and 1.10, though. < 1283632387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1283632392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it changed? < 1283632395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dot action 2 1.10 :D < 1283632412 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-11-23 22:56:25] That http://dotaction.fizzlebot.com/ link is to version 1.01; the original you pasted -- http://dagobah.biz/flash/dotact2.swf -- is 1.10. < 1283632424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were two versions at least then. < 1283632437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1283632439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1283632443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing 1.01. < 1283632501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, we had a bit of a competition going on with oklopol. < 1283632570 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave up at level 93, oklopol went on at least up to 97. < 1283632619 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least 98, it seems.) < 1283632840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did 57 with 1 TIME left. Fuck yeah. < 1283632847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did we ever figure out how long a TIME was? < 1283632854 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1283632882 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure; I remember color-picking and figuring out the formula for the background RGB color. < 1283632925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are many. < 1283632955 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1283632964 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on a quick manual check, TIME seems to be decremented approximately at a rate of 4 units/second. < 1283632971 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1283633092 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually died on 101 this time < 1283633245 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, try 101-108? < 1283633364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 101 101 101 101 101 101 101 < 1283633462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: on stage 58, do you know how to avoid dying on the very last bit? < 1283633465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you space you die < 1283633470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wait you fall and die < 1283633882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did 58 < 1283633948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm too late, then. < 1283633983 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've tried the 101-108 levels back then, too. < 1283634134 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, someone killed my ghost < 1283634207 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → reboot < 1283634353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I most hate in the acted-on dots part twain is the time-limited levels. (Okay, all of them are time-limited theoretically speaking, but those where the main challenge comes from the time limit. I just tried 60 for a lark, and ran out of time on the last "terrace" there, even though I didn't do any obvious time-wasting on the way there. < 1283634354 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283634357 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283634475 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1283634481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 59 is evil < 1283634483 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283634483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the time < 1283634532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Dot Action 2 is even more than nintendo hard :) < 1283634597 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not IWTBTG levels < 1283634625 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comjex < 1283634634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says you, who hasn't even played all 100 levels yet. < 1283634648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have. < 1283634651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ages ago. < 1283634653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not in order. < 1283634661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did you mean Sgeo? < 1283634672 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is who I meant. < 1283634707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, I think I hate just about everything about the UI of video game emulators these days. < 1283634715 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSBox? < 1283634732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ROM management tools. < 1283634734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all suck. < 1283634740 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially in their treatment of files. < 1283634764 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WTFs at a non-programmer using the word "callbacks" < 1283634795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Play Dot Action 2. No other games are necessary. < 1283634824 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION growls at stage 35 < 1283634846 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy, just the damn time limit < 1283634888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did 59 < 1283634890 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1283634900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ha, you are so pitiful! < 1283634903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's the common ROM handling format: < 1283634927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.ext. A dump of the actual contents of the ROM chip. < 1283634928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WHAT THE FUCK AT 60 < 1283634929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing else. < 1283634961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metadata? Bah. Any hints about what hardware is needed to run it? Baaaah. Unreliable heuristics instead! < 1283634967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How do you do it??? < 1283635005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That last bit is mostly an issue for systems such as the NES and SNES where the cartridge could actually have addon hardware hooked into the system. < 1283635041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NES with its memory mappers, the SNES with its memory mappers and the ability to have some other processor run on the main bus in tandem with the main processor) < 1283635104 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Sgeo> alise, someone killed my ghost < 1283635107 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283635112 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe *I'm* drunk. < 1283635130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: NetHack < 1283635134 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no < 1283635135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HOW DO YOU DO 60 < 1283635148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crawl < 1283635150 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1283635162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awful. < 1283635171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what? I should write frontends to a bunch of (best available free) emulators. Just to get it not awful. < 1283635178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some sort of ROM management tool. < 1283635178 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you wanna watch on FooTV? < 1283635187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaand define a nice metadata format. < 1283635204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, i hate crawl < 1283635205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: XML! < 1283635211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?! < 1283635231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Maybe. < 1283635242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. < 1283635262 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried 60, and like I said, couldn't quite make it on time. But I'm bad at swimming upwards. Can't recall if there was any tricks from the previous playthrough. < 1283635267 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1283635285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: ROM patching is absolutely completely and utterly bonkers. < 1283635300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but you downloaded it recently! < 1283635303 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And played with it! < 1283635306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. < 1283635307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And loved it! < 1283635307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sucked. < 1283635312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I didn't. < 1283635323 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't love pitting monsters against eachother? ;) < 1283635337 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1283635337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fun, and why did you say ";)" < 1283635341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that wasn't playing crawl < 1283635342 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283635349 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd be happy if people just stopped calling things that clearly came on a floppy, "ROMs". < 1283635365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Hah. < 1283635371 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completely diferent problem, of course. < 1283635377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HOW DO YU DO 60 RTJHO < 1283635386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :36 done < 1283635388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also. I would *love* to punch whoever is responsible for "plugins" on emulators for more recent systems. < 1283635393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY DONT FUCKING WORK. < 1283635409 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Download your C64 ROMs here! (No, not the rom files vice/any-other-emulator needs.) < 1283635538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm actually having trouble thinking of levels more demented than DA2's, which is a problem, as I'd quite like to create DSDE. < 1283635552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1283635555 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.124.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283635556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1283635560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Dot Super Death Edition.) < 1283635587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hereby employ pikhq to come up with a dodgy half-phonetic-English-kana, one-or-two-kanji-words version of that title. < 1283635605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dottu SUPER DEATH: edition! < 1283635611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dottu edition: SUPER DEATH! < 1283635629 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is 37 a race against the clock? < 1283635631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't tell yet < 1283635644 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no < 1283635719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Sooo.... 点新死エディション? < 1283635752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Explore new death point" < 1283635755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat XD < 1283635804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I need a character like # or X but that looks dangerous. < 1283635805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("ten shin shi edishon" in Hepburn, "ten sin si etìīsiȳon" in craziness) < 1283635830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What does it translate literally as? < 1283635837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, :D Edishon < 1283635841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Dot new death edition. < 1283635850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not super. < 1283635874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :新, "new", was commonly used in the names of games where "Super" was in the US. < 1283635879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the rest of the world. < 1283635897 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New Mario Brothers"? < 1283635901 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION disillusioned < 1283635912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: No, think about games on the SNES. < 1283635915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a New Super Mario Brothers. < 1283635922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is it New New Mario Brothers in Japanese? < 1283635930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, it was New Super Mario Brothers. < 1283635937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, dot? Not dottu? :-( < 1283635940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RACIST. < 1283635965 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "Dottu" would more normally be romanised as "dottsu". < 1283636003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How can the Japanese pronounce dot without tu after it?! < 1283636005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is unpossible! < 1283636029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: They can't. < 1283636042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they can do "dotto". < 1283636053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is how it would end up in bastardised English. < 1283636055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, I need a character like # or X but that looks dangerous. <-- uh... What other characters do you think look dangerous? So we can have something to compare with < 1283636066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So how come you detranslated it as "dot"? :'( < 1283636067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Would you like it to just be bastardised English? < 1283636069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's racism. < 1283636074 0 :Gregor-P!~AndChat@108.97.102.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283636081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("ten shin shi edishon" in Hepburn, "ten sin si etìīsiȳon" in craziness) ;; Wait, I see no japanised "dot" here. < 1283636085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kanaised, rather. < 1283636089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "Ten". < 1283636093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wat. < 1283636103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Japanese for dot. < 1283636113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but what is it in ludicrous English kana? :P < 1283636118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ドット・スーパ・デース・エディション < 1283636125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All ... of that? < 1283636135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dotto suupa deesu edishon". < 1283636218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ドット is dotto? < 1283636222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1283636224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "tò'to sūhå tềsu etèīsiȳon". < 1283636232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ドット新死エディション < 1283636240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1283636243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then this is "dotto new death edishon"? < 1283636246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tò'to sûhå tềsu etèīsiȳon". < 1283636248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. < 1283636251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet < 1283636256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My game's new title < 1283636268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that one of the numbers there? < 1283636272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digits, that is. < 1283636277 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, your "discussion" (or the "dotto" part, anyway) made the Tenshi ni Narumon opening theme start to play in my head. "Thanks." < 1283636298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ? < 1283636309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :エ < 1283636313 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had I not died on the jump, I would only have had 76 time to do that maze < 1283636316 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time may be a factor < 1283636328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No. < 1283636332 0 :Killerkid!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1283636370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :一二三四五六七八九十 There's the numbers 1 through ten. < 1283636390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Just looked similar, then. < 1283636399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, it's uppercase Xi. :P < 1283636401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's zero? < 1283636402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iti ni san yon kò roku siti hati kiȳû sìȳû) < 1283636425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 零 < 1283636447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. < 1283636472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not normally used. < 1283636476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So is "ドット新死エディション" actually comprehensible to your average Japanese-speaker? < 1283636479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what? They just ignore zero? < 1283636481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. < 1283636483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese mathematics fuck yeah. < 1283636487 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And no, they don't ignore zero. < 1283636491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Even "edishon"? < 1283636495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use Arabic numerals. < 1283636497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes. < 1283636539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using the kanji for the numbers is a bit like spelling it out in English. < 1283636554 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finishes watching Turkish Star Wars < 1283636592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Japanese has a lot of bastardised English in it. < 1283636852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why did you watch that at all? < 1283636874 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, because it is hilarious. < 1283636879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how so? < 1283636880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1283636884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hmm, I need a character like # or X but that looks dangerous. <-- uh... What other characters do you think look dangerous? So we can have something to compare with < 1283636885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! does < 1283636894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's for the lava/electric fence (TOTALLY LAVA) < 1283636896 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in dot action 2 < 1283636900 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah hm < 1283636913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and ! is in use? Or not wide enough? < 1283636918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it just is. < 1283636920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ☠ < 1283636923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a full block < 1283636926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ! doesn't really look right < 1283636933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: haha, i think i'd prefer to keep it ascii :) < 1283636934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The training montage is the funniest ever. < 1283636939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ⚠ < 1283636945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what's the first one meant to be? < 1283636947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, aren't really many choices in ASCII < 1283636952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: skull and crossbones < 1283636961 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for me. < 1283636962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm... X does look somewhat dangerous. # doesn't. < 1283636967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't think of any other char < 1283636967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1283636973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: # is the walls < 1283636975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is typical for walls, on ASCII maps < 1283636977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X looks a bit like walls, though... < 1283636981 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nice skull btw < 1283636982 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a dagger with the end curled around. < 1283636983 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1283636986 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1283636987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ works for liquids, like lava < 1283637000 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, doesn't look very dangerous < 1283637006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could use ^ < 1283637011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, isn't # corridor in nethack? < 1283637016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spiky, and is used for traps in roguelikes < 1283637018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1283637025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for lots of things, including corridors < 1283637040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's really an electric fence < 1283637041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm < 1283637044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it keeps its shape and can stand alone) < 1283637054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you often get e.g. T shapes, meaning ^ would look a bit strange < 1283637059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used - for fences before < 1283637065 0 :Killerkid!~l1am9111@host86-176-107-174.range86-176.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283637068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would look even stranger for a T shape < 1283637074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what about |-|-|-|-|-| ? Fence posts < 1283637075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about % < 1283637078 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% looks kind of nasty, to me. < 1283637083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: err, one character < 1283637086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps % < 1283637088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm okay < 1283637091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's a bit ambiguous < 1283637099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to figure out ones for green (flips the level upside down) < 1283637103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and red (gives you fence protection) < 1283637107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% would be good for green < 1283637108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I was just about to say that % looks editable! < 1283637113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like flipping, somehow < 1283637117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *edible < 1283637121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, err yeah < 1283637136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, should be "eatable" really < 1283637148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically I mean < 1283637161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what evil-protection should be < 1283637169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$? it is somewhat valuable, I guess, but that seems strange. < 1283637175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps @ < 1283637180 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283637215 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what about ! like nethack potion < 1283637229 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :special effect for some time and such < 1283637233 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would be useful? If the OS could send a signal to a process meaning "Please reduce your memory consumption". < 1283637252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they're full block-width too < 1283637258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. they all take up as much space as a # < 1283637262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just different colours < 1283637268 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so monospace font? < 1283637276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and @ should be the player I think < 1283637286 0 :Leonidas_!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1283637286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know I'm nethack influenced here < 1283637296 0 :Leonidas_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Leonidas < 1283637306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, I thought that, but I realised that it can't be < 1283637311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1283637312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh? < 1283637318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can start in mid-air or on the ground < 1283637320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1283637321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1283637322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1283637325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this standing on the ground < 1283637327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283637329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or falling from the top of that cell on to the ground? < 1283637333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is obvious? but < 1283637334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1283637335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X < 1283637335 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Vorpal> alise, so monospace font? < 1283637341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here you want to be falling on to the X at the start < 1283637345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on it < 1283637349 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How I wish it were not! < 1283637350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what was # and X? < 1283637353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think I'll have to specify it some other way < 1283637359 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, they both look pretty solid < 1283637362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: # is wall/ground/floor/whatever, X is evil electric fence < 1283637366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solid, sure, but deadly < 1283637377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's hollow if you have ZET < 1283637384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you get from red blocks for a certain amount of time < 1283637392 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283637405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, starting on top of one at the beginning of a level sounds very evil < 1283637438 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How big is a Dot Action playfield, in grid cells? < 1283637442 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's normal < 1283637447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, you start falling on one < 1283637447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a few < 1283637454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the one with 1 time < 1283637457 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just move right or whatever < 1283637458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it 0 time, i forget < 1283637463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 time = 1/4 second < 1283637468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 time = game ends as soon as it starts < 1283637474 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh right, unrealistic physics for in-air movement < 1283637477 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, in the list, the time is listed < 1283637483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most platformers have that < 1283637488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have to press jump and right, if you hit off the ceiling you fall quicker) < 1283637492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(making you fall on to the block in time) < 1283637495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Pretty big < 1283637498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Bigger than 80x24 < 1283637551 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there's no TV Tropes drinking game for Turkish Star Wars. < 1283637553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway you said it was unclear if you stand on ground or are falling from top of tile? < 1283637558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be pretty simple. < 1283637565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1283637566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, does that mean the player is smaller than a tile? < 1283637573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly one tile big < 1283637576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he can be on half a tile < 1283637585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and half another? < 1283637591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283637592 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Take a sip every time the Indiana Jones theme plays or the hero attacks someone by bouncing on a trampoline." < 1283637593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could put it one tile up and say it's always on the ground < 1283637596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the same effect, probably < 1283637596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1283637601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if there's another square there < 1283637601 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, thus everything is in fact 2x2 tiles big? < 1283637619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from movement < 1283637625 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, time is most certainly a factor in 37 < 1283637627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1283637632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he can be on 1/whateverth of a tile too < 1283637637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: only if you suck < 1283637642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (however pixels high he is) < 1283637647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: continuous movement < 1283637647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hard to translate to ascii that < 1283637661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he can only start in one tile, i think < 1283637662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1283637672 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, still rather bad < 1283637676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1283637687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There's Turkish Star Trek! < 1283637691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7185067049150068960 < 1283637703 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1283637714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have TRAMPOLINING < 1283637716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funky opening music. < 1283637719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it has Mr. Spak < 1283637721 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, with unicode there is probably some symbol that exists for several different "placements" in a char. But since you wanted ASCII only... < 1283637728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Overview: This Turkish version of Star Trek is a complete rip off of the original Star Trek series, only the main character in this is a lecherous drunk accompanied by an entire soundboard of wacky effects. Everything about this film is below Z-grade." < 1283637746 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like Turkish Star Wars.... < 1283637747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm just going to have START x y or something, probably. < 1283637754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh it is not just a texted version? But a rip-off? < 1283637760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And it uses clips too, apparently. < 1283637762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1283637765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with Turkish Star Wars < 1283637768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1283637770 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have King Leonidas? < 1283637772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both use /clips from the original/, too < 1283637773 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I was thinking this would be a good candidate for a C64 game, with a sprite for the player. You could do an 80x50 playfield if your player sprite was really tiny (like, 2 pixels square.) < 1283637780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1283637785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the star trek theme and their own crazy theme < 1283637788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do the star trek theme again < 1283637792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why??? < 1283637794 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha < 1283637802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That would be awesome. < 1283637804 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These films make very little sense. < 1283637814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Captain's logbook. Star-date blah blah. < 1283637820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which star trek theme? < 1283637823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOS? < 1283637824 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I can't remember being on the payroll < 1283637825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1283637829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh-aaaaah oh oh oh oh oh aaaaaaaah < 1283637831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what little backstory TSW has, I gather that the world has been blown up several times. < 1283637835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh oh ohhhh aaaaah aah ahah ah ah ahohhhh < 1283637844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that sounds inappropriate over IRC. < 1283637847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm trying to remember the TOS theme... was ages ago I watched non-movie TOS < 1283637855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Click the video and hear < 1283637863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7185067049150068960 < 1283637864 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds it on youtube < 1283637867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope you have a gvideo-download < 1283637873 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, not on Youtube. < 1283637897 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, um the theme I meant < 1283637904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there were 3 versions < 1283637905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each series < 1283637909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh? < 1283637917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two with crazy female vocals (one with them drowning out everything else) < 1283637921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the other with it mixed in) < 1283637924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one without (series 1) < 1283637937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does it bother you, that I have a different structure than human, Doc?" -- Mr. Spak < 1283637956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mr. Spock please don't be upset. We appreciate that you Vulcans are superior species." < 1283637957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one had female voices < 1283637961 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which don't remember at all < 1283637974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Upset? Probably, you forgot that such an illogical emotion does not exist on us." < 1283638012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, when did they use which theme? < 1283638013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this has just as good writing as TOS :-) < 1283638024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 1 was manly and unfeminine < 1283638030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget the ordering of the mixed in / drowning one < 1283638036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 3 is the one that had it drowning out everything else creepily < 1283638045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAH @ THE TRANSPORTER GRAPHICS < 1283638053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but when did they use them? < 1283638057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ??? < 1283638059 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for mirror universe and such? < 1283638062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the three series of TOS < 1283638065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, aha < 1283638068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :each had a different variation on the theme < 1283638069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, do the action scenes have TRAMPOLINES? < 1283638074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no female, female mixed in, female drowned out < 1283638078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget the ordering of the latter two < 1283638079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, god I had forgotten how long TOS ran < 1283638081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: dunno < 1283638084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, not long :P < 1283638088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but too long :P < 1283638097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just long enough for it to be syndicated striped < 1283638098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was vital for TNG < 1283638101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1283638103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vital for TOS' popularity < 1283638105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which lead to TNG < 1283638120 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but just long enough for it to be syndicated striped <-- eh? < 1283638133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understood each word but wtf is "syndicated striped" < 1283638151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :striped = one episode a day < 1283638162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283638164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stripped, maybe < 1283638165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the term < 1283638172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283638173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripping_(television) < 1283638181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah I found the original without vocals < 1283638190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds jazzy < 1283638195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in part < 1283638202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I much prefer the TNG music. < 1283638255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: speaking of swapping music for mirror universe episodes < 1283638260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nceCmigAM ;; normal Enterprise theme < 1283638266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which enterprise? < 1283638267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbsZRbwbJ4 ;; "In a Mirror, Darkly" theme < 1283638270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ENT < 1283638276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as in the last one? < 1283638277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trek: Enterprise < 1283638277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleugh, awful. < 1283638278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283638284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The series? < 1283638286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is. < 1283638291 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the theme. < 1283638292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In a Mirror, Darkly" was actually good, though. < 1283638297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1283638297 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh wasn't that very un-spacy music too? guitar iirc? < 1283638298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't watch Star Trek... < 1283638301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pop song. < 1283638312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. But not the mirror universe one. < 1283638314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think I watched any of the mirror universe < 1283638320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only two episodes. < 1283638324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, will download once I finished watching TNG intro < 1283638326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No overlapping, either, just one ship. < 1283638327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The last season was about where it became watchable. < 1283638336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole two-parter took place in the mirror universe. < 1283638349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah: < 1283638352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it didn't end with a revolution. < 1283638354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[download] 1.5% of 23.01M at 29.61k/s ETA 13:03 < 1283638355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it got canceled just as it improved. < 1283638361 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I will watch. In a while < 1283638372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: might want to watch both to see the contrst < 1283638373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*contrast < 1283638376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The normal theme was still god-awful. < 1283638382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well yes, but look at the dl speed < 1283638383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they replaced all the historical exploration scenes with warfare :) < 1283638391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it seems that HD download slower than smaller ones < 1283638401 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TNG one was original-size youtube < 1283638408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loved the scene of Cochrane shooting the Vulcan. Nice teaser. < 1283638410 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downloaded at 200 kB/s < 1283638433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It tried a bit too hard to be retro. < 1283638444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prime directive? Never heard of it. < 1283638457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stardate? Naw, let's just use Earth years. Because only FEDERATIONS make space-wise decisions! < 1283638472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Star Trek TOS did not need a prequel. It really didn't. < 1283638481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needed a sequel that completely forgot about Voyager. < 1283638483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1283638487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; I dislike the idea of an Enterprise-pre-Enterprise. < 1283638503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd like to see a sequel set a long time after Voyager. < 1283638520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll require less anal clinching to canon. < 1283638533 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That would be quite nice. < 1283638551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just like a sequel that is written well. < 1283638569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The most WTF part of Voyager canon is that it ends with the Borg no longer being much of a threat < 1283638572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell would you do that??? < 1283638573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the non-mirror one downloaded fast < 1283638574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1283638580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could freaking make it be about Wesley's adventures if it were written reasonably. :P < 1283638582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are the best enemy ever. < 1283638601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: to make it written well would require some retconning. Because SHUT UP WESLEY!) < 1283638638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: He graduated Starfleet and grew the fuck up. < 1283638647 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Borg? Hey yeah, we have one of them on our CREW. < 1283638651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me one reason not to do this. < 1283638654 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhh Voyager. < 1283638657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I cannot. < 1283638658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I was referring to the finale. < 1283638664 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't care. < 1283638666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which future Janeway says "Ha, actually, I have this magic that defeats the Borg". < 1283638671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And gives them it. < 1283638674 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1283638675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck Janeway. < 1283638679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK JANEWAY. < 1283638680 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I only care that it ENDED. < 1283638684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK THE FUCKING HELL OF JANEWAY FUCK. < 1283638684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1283638690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: VOYAGER IS FUCKING SHIT. < 1283638694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Janeway wasn't the worst of Voyager < 1283638699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1283638701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Indeed, she wasn't. < 1283638702 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there were far worse parts of it < 1283638705 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All characters were the worst characters in Voyager < 1283638707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She was the worst character < 1283638708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But: Fuck. Janeway. < 1283638712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no < 1283638713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The Doctor < 1283638720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Nelix. < 1283638721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the only sane man on the ship < 1283638734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Neelix didn't control the direction of the entire ship and its crew. < 1283638738 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, maybe the doctor was not entirely void as a character. < 1283638738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wait a second? Didn't he almost destroy the ship once? < 1283638740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do anything at all, actually. < 1283638742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after being taken over? < 1283638746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Doctor? < 1283638748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes < 1283638750 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: He tried very hard to be the Wesley. < 1283638752 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*maybe* < 1283638754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, don't know. < 1283638762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, he failed because he *sucks*, but hey! < 1283638772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Robert Picardo, the Doctor, actually initially auditioned for Neelix; can you believe that? < 1283638789 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You know waaaay too much about this awful show. < 1283638792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have cooked up a WONDERFUL soup that -- -- will hopefully make you shut up." < 1283638794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You're fucking kidding. < 1283638798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I watch it for amusement. < 1283638807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Like MST3K, but I get to come up with the narration myself. < 1283638810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nope. < 1283638816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's often in so-bad-it's-good territory. < 1283638829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is... All the merit it has for much of its run. < 1283638852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's a handful of actually decent-to-good episodes that somehow managed to sneak in) < 1283638856 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's not so boring that I couldn't watch it, like -- some of those other shows. < 1283638867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wow that mirror universe music was *AWESOME* < 1283638868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I've actually grown on Deep Space 9. < 1283638868 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is awful > boring? Dunno, really. < 1283638871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, just pure awesome < 1283638884 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: DS9 was not half as bad < 1283638887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I liked the fade of the title to black at the beginning. It's the little things... < 1283638892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I mean wrt boringness. < 1283638897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The mirror universe episode there was actually genuinely good. < 1283638899 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH < 1283638904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right < 1283638906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No goatees! < 1283638906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop talking about Star Trek! < 1283638913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a bunch of people being assholes to each other, and then it ends! < 1283638914 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we at least discuss LITERATURE? < 1283638914 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, haven't watched them < 1283638915 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't know if it was boring so much as.. slow. < 1283638929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hey, at least we're not discussing favorite captains. < 1283638933 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OVID'S METAMORPHOSES. READ IT? < 1283638934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voyager, "Blood Fever" review: Everyone gets pon farr. Everyone tries to have sex with each other! < 1283638935 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP < 1283638939 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, A BIT < 1283638943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you mean Star Trek: The Complete Movie Scripts? < 1283638943 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN LATIN, AS WELL < 1283638946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There's a competition? < 1283638952 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'M ABOUT 1/3 THE WAY THROUGH < 1283638953 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder, does that exist?) < 1283638956 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it probably does) < 1283638957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: There's some debate, yes. < 1283638959 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT LATIN THOUGH < 1283638960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Picard. I can see an argument for Sisko, but he wasn't really a captain. < 1283638972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Kirk was brash and ... not as intelligent as Picard. Janewahahahahaha < 1283638982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Some people actually like Kirk. They must love cheese. < 1283638982 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm I have the say TNG is my favourite < 1283638984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Archer was... uh... I can't think of anything to say < 1283639010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, YOU'RE SO UNCULTURED < 1283639030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: One bad thing about "In a Mirror, Darkly" was a bit of a continuity error. < 1283639053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It mentions a speech by Cochrane talking about the future Borg and future crew battling before he made the warp flight in a speech. < 1283639054 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could not find module `Text.ParserCombinators.Parsec' < 1283639059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Text.Parsec < 1283639060 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, forget Parsec anyway < 1283639063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: In a series that played with time travel to the point that it may have ceased to have happened, that is *not* a big deal. < 1283639064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: for v3 < 1283639067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But, < 1283639071 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they gotta go and move everything huh < 1283639079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How come the crew of First Contact didn't know about this? < 1283639086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And realise? < 1283639094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YOU CAN say that this is because of the alternate universe. < 1283639100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why, when it's identical in every other way apart from evil? < 1283639104 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could not find module `Text.Parsec' < 1283639106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I happen to mention that Enterprise may have wiped itself from existence? < 1283639106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1283639111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't "In a Mirror, Darkly". < 1283639118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was "Regeneration", which I watched the same day (oops). < 1283639124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they have no alternate universe excuse. < 1283639126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: In a series that played with time travel to the point that it may have ceased to have happened, that is *not* a big deal. <-- actually I find that was one of the few good parts of that series < 1283639133 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, forget Parsec anyway < 1283639134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love time travel < 1283639139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, could have been done better < 1283639148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, any time travel is better than no time travel ;) < 1283639156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need more Q. < 1283639159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any future series must have Q. < 1283639166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably Q and the Borg at the same time. < 1283639169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Picard. < 1283639171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: rm -rf Voyager && yes < 1283639172 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Godlike superbeings FtW! < 1283639176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh god no < 1283639188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, still not read the Culture books? < 1283639190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Q was an annoying arrogant bastard < 1283639192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just make an episode that is Picard and Q and the Borg destroying Voyager, over and over again, and they do it so many times that it actually disappears from the timestream forever. < 1283639196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... that's ... the point ... < 1283639214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes and it doesn't work out too well < 1283639220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it did. < 1283639230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I disagree there < 1283639230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It worked brilliantly in TNG. < 1283639239 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes, the first 3 or 4 times < 1283639246 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, then *yawn* < 1283639249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All Good Things..." <3 < 1283639250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was solidly meh in DS9, and SUCKED MAJOR ASS in Voyager... < 1283639264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dude, there were only 8 Q episodes in TNG. < 1283639267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were 8 seasons. < 1283639279 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes. And? < 1283639286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 8 < 1283639297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Encounter at Farpoint" and "All Good Things..." are the same story. < 1283639301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't avoid involving Q in the conclusion. < 1283639306 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283639307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's 7 Q stories now. < 1283639318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 7 still < 1283639321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hide and Q" was first season, so we can pretend it never existed. 6 Q stories. < 1283639330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wait what < 1283639332 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" "Hide and Q" was first season, so we can pretend it never existed. 6 Q stories." < 1283639334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work < 1283639339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the first season was awful < 1283639347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: First season sucked and Riker didn't have a beard. < 1283639350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it introduced Wesley-as-God (by mistake), had beardless Riker, and hackneyed plots. < 1283639351 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring awful things, how does THAT work? < 1283639355 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, okay and 4 < 6 still < 1283639376 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Don't forget the keychain-sized phasers. < 1283639388 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How do you *aim* that thing?) < 1283639391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, "Q Who" is good because it introduces the Borg and is an awesome episode. 1 good story. "Deja Q" has mortal Q. Good. < 1283639407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Qpid" ... eh. Meh. Not included. < 1283639418 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why did you not include Qpid? < 1283639426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not good. I'm counting good ones to prove it's > 4. < 1283639430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...anyway, point is, almost all Q stories in TNG were good. < 1283639435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And besides, there were only 8. < 1283639439 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1283639443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm? how do you aim a laser pointer of keychain size? Such exists for presentation stuff iirc < 1283639444 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Q < 1283639471 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the mortal Q one was good, I agree < 1283639487 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to deliberately induce suffering by watching SGI.. actually, maybe I'll watch Deja Q < 1283639490 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283639502 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen it before < 1283639513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch "Encounter at Farpoint" and "All Good Things..." back to back. Bet it makes perfect sense. < 1283639538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how many bluray discs do you need to fit all of TOS I wonder < 1283639543 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know. I've never had to mortally wound a whiteboard. < 1283639545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Encounter at Farpoint" is kinda wince-inducing when Q isn't on-screen. < 1283639549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Um. < 1283639550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three. < 1283639554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the MOST. < 1283639555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, XD < 1283639558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1283639559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe more. < 1283639565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGU has half a season on a Blu-Ray. < 1283639567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, really? < 1283639568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So six, at the most. < 1283639574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That much quality would be pointless for the shabby source material. < 1283639575 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what quality? < 1283639576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So three. < 1283639580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: SGU? 1080p. < 1283639585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1283639589 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGU being? < 1283639589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultra quality HD etc. new modern show etc. < 1283639590 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I assume that you haven't, then. < 1283639592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stargate Universe. < 1283639596 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1283639598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: ? < 1283639605 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the Culture novels. < 1283639616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1283639620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like SGU < 1283639623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT WE ARE ALL NEGLECTING HERE < 1283639626 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, bah < 1283639630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, 1080p... http://xkcd.com/732/ < 1283639634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS STAR TREK NEW VOYAGES PHASE II < 1283639634 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: DOT ACTION SUPER PANIC ? < 1283639636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A Blu-ray disc gets you 50GB. Which is significantly higher than you need for very good quality 1080p video. < 1283639643 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, stupid. < 1283639644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm okay. < 1283639650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: xkcd, stupid < 1283639659 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like xkcd < 1283639659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why is that *specific* xkcd stupid < 1283639660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 1080p is damn good quality < 1283639662 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TV" and "monitor" are both very different things. < 1283639662 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you either get stupid high-quality movies or quite a lot on a disc. < 1283639666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not new < 1283639666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1283639667 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to read both xkcd and xkcdsucks though < 1283639671 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I watch movies on computer, not on a TV < 1283639672 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I break my vow to never read xkcd? < 1283639673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcdsucks sucks a lot nowadays too < 1283639677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carl is just going through the motions < 1283639678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no < 1283639678 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And your average monitor isn't a metre tall. < 1283639686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: anyway < 1283639693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: STAR TREK NEW VOYAGES: PHASE II < 1283639694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCUSS < 1283639700 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Thankfully I overcame the urge. < 1283639706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't even make myself watch more than a few minutes of World Enough and Time. < 1283639710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The glittersuit did it. < 1283639711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, true. So it has way lower DPI too < 1283639715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He literally wore a suit with glitter all over it. < 1283639723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You sit way, way away from it. < 1283639729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd wasn't dissing HDTVs, anyway, just their impressiveness. < 1283639735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's saying "HDTVs are good but they are not anything impressive". < 1283639739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which is also silly IMO < 1283639746 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed < 1283639754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is stupid and has no idea why TVs are good < 1283639757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving on, < 1283639771 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I find it nicer to watch on my desktop monitor < 1283639800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could get a TV tuner card if I needed that < 1283639817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Television is bad. Televisions are good. < 1283639819 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, ugh. < 1283639828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, hm? < 1283639915 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, why did you say "ugh" while highlighting me? < 1283639917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Proposal: Star Trek fan sequel series starring people who aren't unwashed Trekkies and with actual production values. < 1283639928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as Vulcans that aren't obviously wearing velcro. < 1283639934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Problem: getting people involved. < 1283639945 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, velcro? < 1283639946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Also: to be fair, New Voyages is following after TOS. < 1283639953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got about the same level of production values. < 1283639954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, I hardly ever watch TV. when I watch DVDs I do it on my computer. Which has a nice monitor and nice sound. < 1283639957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'll play Wesley, who, although he has graduated, has a rare genetic condition that means he still looks 12. < 1283639960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like me! < 1283639965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The looking 12 part, that is. < 1283639968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, now I'm wondering what the fuck you meant with " Vorpal, ugh." < 1283639971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, he has actually shrunk. < 1283639987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should just do a Galaxy Quest series. < 1283639989 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How's about we just get Wil Wheaton. < 1283639998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: He'd want money. < 1283640007 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You don't *know* that. < 1283640007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, he looks like Riker now. < 1283640022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: !! Wil could play Riker. < 1283640026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frakes is way too old-looking now. < 1283640047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming this has just turned into "Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Next Generation". < 1283640049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, okay. I guess you just said that to troll then, if you aren't going to explain what the fuck you meant with it < 1283640066 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TROLLING BY SILENCE < 1283640080 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1283640111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, starring WIL WHEATON as COMMANDER WILLIAM T. RIKER. < 1283640129 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get install libghc6-parsec-dev < 1283640132 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was what was wrong. < 1283640144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Presumably this is set on the Enterprise-E. < 1283640149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? maybe you meant that tv tuner card have traditionally been shoddy with buggy drivers? Well, there are good ones. I know some people who are using such under linux with good results. < 1283640163 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are of course still bad tv tuners, but you just have to avoid them < 1283640175 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will get zzo38 to write me a driver for my card < 1283640179 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you had to avoid ATI graphics a few years ago (that changed quite a bit now though!) < 1283640188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: We need Patrick Stewart... < 1283640194 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just have zzo38 reinvent the computer. < 1283640239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fuck it, we can't possibly play the TNG crew. < 1283640247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's set on the Enterprise-K. < 1283640249 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, there's a picture of David Tennant as Hamlet about to stab Patrick Stewart. < 1283640255 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Create a caption. < 1283640257 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why not pick the best characters from each generation? Spock, Picard, Riker, Data, and so on? < 1283640260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I loved that performance. < 1283640268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because we are Trekkies, and we fucking care about canon. < 1283640276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh < 1283640281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, Spock/Picard would delight the slashers. < 1283640283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah I know how to solve it < 1283640288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. < 1283640289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No time travel. < 1283640290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, we take the time travel from ENT < 1283640295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, argh you were too fast < 1283640300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENT had no time travel < 1283640301 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cryonics! < 1283640302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1283640305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did, probably < 1283640312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what do you mean < 1283640313 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's science fiction, you can contrive a reason < 1283640318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a prequel, not a time travel < 1283640324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else just forgot to mention Archer and his ship < 1283640328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how convenient < 1283640335 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ENT had *lots* of time travel iirc? < 1283640338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1283640342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1283640346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have all the characters resurrected via some alien technology < 1283640351 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that works too < 1283640353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and set it in the far future < 1283640360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they've all had a chance to be dead < 1283640362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, even further than the rest? < 1283640370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1283640370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1283640375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far future wrt Star Trek canon < 1283640390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the year 3000, let's say! < 1283640393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1283640396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we could have someone frozen in 1999 < 1283640401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who gets revi-- < 1283640403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUTURAMA < 1283640403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1283640406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[opening titles play] < 1283640409 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ARGH YOU BEAT ME TO IT! < 1283640435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think someone from 3100 or such visited Archer in ENT? < 1283640439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This episode brought to you by blatant trademark violation! < 1283640464 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now tubular bells are stuck in my head! < 1283640537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, which ones are tubular bells? < 1283640555 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands Vorpal a link to Wikipedia < 1283640599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :-D < 1283640600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, why are they stuck in your head? Accident while practising playing? < 1283640602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat? < 1283640624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Dum dum dumdum dum dum dum dum da da dada dum dum dumdum... < 1283640625 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Futurama theme < 1283640633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh, it uses those? < 1283640633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now "Tubular Bells" is stuck in my head! < 1283640663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Thankfully I don't know that one. Only heard of it. < 1283640678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I've listened to the whole thing. It's alright. < 1283640679 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, I think it must be like "Classical Gas". < 1283640688 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turkish Star Wars has a sequel. < 1283640690 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1283640761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4eZJh3FFg0 an excerpt of its beginning < 1283640771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not anything amazing or anything, but. < 1283640778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure changes a lot. < 1283640796 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No flash. < 1283640801 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could fix that, but < 1283640809 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would involve EFFORT. < 1283640822 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to put out a lot of that right now. < 1283640845 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is quite distracting. < 1283640861 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, there are too many things I could be doing, so I can't decide. < 1283640883 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1283640896 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsec is a wash. I... just can't get into it. < 1283640922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's aight. < 1283640938 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least I have it *installed*. < 1283640948 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1283640981 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It kind of bugs me that it doesn't come with a lexer < 1283641032 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Why does Neko suck? < 1283641035 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about it. < 1283641039 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virtually. < 1283641042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, things < 1283641049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not ... interesting ... good ... uh < 1283641052 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods knowlingly < 1283641055 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1283641091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, just listened to some tubular bells on youtube, and yeah catchy < 1283641106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu[laptop]: I just wrote a line on IRC to someone random. < 1283641114 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283641138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but futurama theme is a lot more than just that. Lots synthed music too I think < 1283641148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1283641167 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Huh < 1283641174 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was one long tubular bells solo < 1283641211 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, now I have TB stuck in my head. < 1283641327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, um? Are there different variants? < 1283641336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, the ones I found on youtube was definitely not solos < 1283641532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I can't find any that is a solo < 1283641581 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, definitely synthed music, tubular bells, and some other percussion, possibly also some non-overdriven electrical guitar, though not completely sure about that < 1283641818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1283641850 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The best TV themes are always instrumental solos < 1283641899 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION struggles through this Parsec thing < 1283641905 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm..... < 1283641913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, not sure I agree < 1283641944 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instrumental: yes in general, though voice that isn't singing can be used to some great effect < 1283641951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in the mirror universe theme for ENT < 1283641955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is indeed pure awesome < 1283641981 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solos? No I don't think I agree < 1283642026 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Murder, She Wrote", "MacGyver", "The Beachcombers" < 1283642050 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never watched the first or the last ones < 1283642102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, which season for the middle one? Was years since I watched MacGyver. And google indicates different theme music for the different seasons < 1283642102 0 :Brandie!~Brandie@69.73.232.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283642102 0 :Brandie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spamming is fun! Brought to you by FreeNode. /join #freenode < 1283642102 0 :Brandie!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1283642110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1283642117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was absurd < 1283642133 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-201-34.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283642161 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, most absurd spam ever in logs while you were offline < 1283642218 0 :Sebbie!~Sebbie@65.48.159.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1283642218 0 :Sebbie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spamming is fun! Brought to you by FreeNode. /join #freenode < 1283642218 0 :Sebbie!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1283642222 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1283642293 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strange indeed. < 1283642311 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to launch an expedition. fungot, are you coming? < 1283642312 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover__: robert hart, night watchman at rhodes, declares it was mixed with a sort of palimpsest formed after the obliteration of a previous design. in nature it was wholly fnord by the sculptured walls along our route. only when we had passed outside the radius of the campfire. then i half fancied i heard a new sound: common, yet unlike any i had ever looked < 1283642356 0 :aklis!~santi@unaffiliated/aklis JOIN :#esoteric < 1283642363 0 :aklis!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1283642398 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aklis: You forgot to tell us about teh FREENOED < 1283642419 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1283642420 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft* nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1283642431 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher < 1283642431 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations) < 1283642440 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, no that was some random person joining due to me mentioning this spam to a staffer in #freenode. happened to mention channel name < 1283642457 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that person was also complaining about the same spam in another channel I think < 1283642535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, um I can only find non-solo theme music for MacGyver when googling < 1283642542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so got a link to the solo version? < 1283642619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, actually there seems to be some guy who recorded a solo arrangement on guitar, but it seems definitely non-official < 1283642622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that #freenode is the channel where you report spam, why would a spammer refer you to it? < 1283642624 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah a link would be nice < 1283642652 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, this was your fault? < 1283642659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover__, no? Just that last guy < 1283642665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover__, who didn't spam < 1283642666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1283642986 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so Parsec is maybe livable if you build off the supplied combinators. < 1283642999 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sepBy, for e.g. < 1283643079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover__, you don't want to do that in #freenode < 1283643081 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, cpressey dislikes Parsec? < 1283643089 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1283643094 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover__, continue and chances are you will be klined < 1283643097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover__, seriously < 1283643105 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :klined? < 1283643109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover__, yes < 1283643112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :banned from network < 1283643120 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1283643122 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoilsports. < 1283643131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover__, basically it is a non-joky channel < 1283643147 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't Deja Q in fiveminute.net ? < 1283643167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what is "fiveminute.net" to begin with < 1283643171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I've almost got the DJGPP build of C-INTERCAL working again < 1283643185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, is it something owned by someone in here? If not, why are you asking here < 1283643208 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because several people here are fans of fiveminute.net < 1283643210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover__, and seriously go learn about IRC. I think kline was even in the original irc < 1283643216 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover__, irc rfc* < 1283643229 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I nave no idea what it is even < 1283643251 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Vorpal is lacking a web browser < 1283643267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I fail to see why I should open it for this < 1283643268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grah, I think I'm turning into alise < 1283643294 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a site with 5-minute satires of various Star Trek (and a few other series) episodes < 1283643301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1283643318 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm working through my differences with Parsec right now < 1283643329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, any good < 1283643329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1283643346 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, many of them < 1283643359 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one for Stargate SG-1's "2010" is junk though < 1283643359 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, oh, it is not videos? It is transcripts? < 1283643362 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1283643375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, how can it be 5-minute satires then? < 1283643381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it depend on reading speed < 1283643384 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes! DJGPP rocking goodness! < 1283643387 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*, it's just the name < 1283643426 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yar: And stranded the two of them on a remote planet? Does this mean Q's reality series is Queer Eye for the Bearded Guy now? < 1283643426 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worf: Commander Riker does not have a beard. < 1283643426 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yar: Yeah, but who knows if I'll get a shot at making that joke later. < 1283643499 0 :Hiant!~chatzilla@pool-71-255-202-26.bltmmd.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1283643619 0 :Hiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1283643695 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1283643730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, I've almost got the DJGPP build of C-INTERCAL working again <-- does that mean you had to break filenames again? < 1283643753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1283643757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew < 1283643759 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I haven't found out yet < 1283643809 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I seem to remember that the Mac/PPC port had some longer filenames, that had to be that way < 1283643814 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 100% sure though < 1283643828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is MacOS Classic/PPC < 1283643892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let i = 1 + 2 in i < 1283643912 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1283643925 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let i = read "123" < 1283643963 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let i :: Integer = read "123" < 1283643981 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there's some other syntax for that isn't there < 1283643987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you integrate the patches from my port? < 1283644003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I didn't < 1283644021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't they rather system-specific? < 1283644023 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let (i :: Integer) = read "123" in i < 1283644025 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, some of those fixed generic problems that were hidden due to gcc accepting non-strictly conforming programs < 1283644031 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1283644039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see the docs included with the patches < 1283644044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'll try to see which are portability patches and maybe apply them < 1283644078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and the path generation fix is generic but only matters on platforms where adding an extra path separator char isn't harmless < 1283644081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as classic mac OS < 1283644088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it is definitely non-harmless < 1283644089 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell let i = ((read "123") :: Integer) in i < 1283644090 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 < 1283644093 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1283644115 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, since there could be other such platforms you should probably apply that fix < 1283644165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I agree with portability fixing < 1283644177 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and one fix for the *.l files was needed for any platforms lacking unistd.h < 1283644185 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My patch is in AceHack! < 1283644187 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION happies < 1283644198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, which flex didn't properly check for < 1283644201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it is; when did you find out, and how? < 1283644212 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mentioned it in #nethack I think < 1283644218 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that, or you were adding it < 1283644219 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but ages ago < 1283644226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I assumed you'd have noticed earlier < 1283644226 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, very few of those patches are system specific. It is just that it happens to work on most other platforms :P < 1283644232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you noticed at all < 1283644249 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we were talking about AceHack now < 1283644249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the system specific stuff is in the ppc subdir and in perpet.c, and iirc not everything for perpet.c was system specific < 1283644370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, bbl, if you have any question about the patches I'm probably back in about 20 minutes or so. Maybe a bit more < 1283644384 0 :oerjan!~oerjan@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1283644472 0 :comjex!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :comex < 1283644781 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1138648 < 1283644799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think it is, because I think you can encode SMETANA in it, but my brain isn't really working <-- SMETANA isn't TC