< 1284076810 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284076962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn off logger daemon, and voila, my phone works better. < 1284077018 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1284077050 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284077059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: xD < 1284077179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it functions... Usably. < 1284077199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than sometimes-usably, sometimes-WHYTHEFUCKWONTYOUTAKEINPUTGOD < 1284077428 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when god takes input is up to god, I think < 1284077433 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1284077492 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahhaa < 1284077813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alcove. < 1284077890 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha < 1284077892 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheee :D < 1284077945 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1284077981 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heehee < 1284078684 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284079097 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1284079194 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284080142 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're right, unreachable code is a fatal compile error in Java < 1284080154 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.159 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284080158 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Lua it's a syntax error to have a return before the end of a function < 1284080168 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take THAT, unreachable code! < 1284080175 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, in the grammar? < 1284080185 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, in the grammar, indeed. < 1284080222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder how far you could go along the lines of static analysis in the grammar < 1284080433 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: HackFactor? < 1284080445 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh - FactorInHackEgo < 1284080473 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Alcove? < 1284080492 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've wondered that too -- I tried to do all of BASIC once, including types < 1284080492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alcove. < 1284080518 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... as an LL(1) grammar. Kind of hard when the type annotation comes after the variable name < 1284080534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1284080542 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, LL(2) maybe? < 1284080748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather like LR(1) < 1284080755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even implemented it by hand, from a description of the algorithm < 1284080785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(admittedly, I implemented it in VBA for Excel; it's one of the languages which I used to be rather good at, because I didn't know any better to avoid learning it) < 1284080789 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: congratulations, you've gotten me thinking about it again. i bet you could design a practical language where the only error is syntax error (that is, "you stepped outside this BNF grammar"). perhaps "practical" is an overstatement though < 1284080800 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1284080810 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never liked LR parsers for some reason < 1284080832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually I gave up because Microsoft broke backwards compatibility with every release of Excel < 1284080843 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. it was no longer possible to hide the entire UI < 1284081168 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1284081248 0 :hiato!~nine@41-133-148-136.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1284081466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............Firefox now comes with an Urban Dictonary bookmark? < 1284082291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlikely. < 1284082295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1284082297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1284082299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284082892 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got banned from a channel for saying faggot < 1284084910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arbitration clauses: most evil thing? < 1284085148 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1284085429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Motherfucking hell. So, corporations can give unlimited money to politicians... *And judges*. < 1284085519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I genuinely must leave this country. < 1284085545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, o.O linky? < 1284085567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "Citizens United" sound familiar? < 1284085580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The decision applies to any elected position. < 1284085588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which includes a large number of judges. < 1284085939 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Slava dislikes lazy lists < 1284085973 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1284086062 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost want to cry inside < 1284086260 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you trying to make thue.c build, too? < 1284086312 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking about FACTOR < 1284086318 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope not < 1284086343 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence, why do you hate Factor? < 1284086349 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said I did < 1284086364 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I get your drift < 1284086438 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just never saw it as very interesting and don't like that it was rewritten in C++ and don't like that slava took my power cord for my laptop < 1284086460 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1284086495 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While he was in Minneapolis, I went over to his place and hacked with him w/factor and stuff < 1284086548 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I left my power cable over there, and then he moved to New Zealand < 1284086630 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I don't like that Factor must be bootstrapped. :( < 1284086650 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^not convincing someone who used to love Smalltalk < 1284086671 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^not trying to convince just explaining why I don't like it < 1284086849 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like the language idioms (cleave, chop, etc combinators), don't really like some of the directives ( ; INLINE ), etc etc < 1284086971 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think a stack-centralized view of programming really scales well to multiprocessing. < 1284087408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: *Hardly anything* scales well to multiprocessing. < 1284087442 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some better than others < 1284087471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I almost guarantee your favorite language doesn't scale well to multiprocessing. < 1284087489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, incidentally, is your favorite language? < 1284087508 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably erlang < 1284087524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, your favorite language scales somewhat well to multiprocessing. < 1284087530 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kid I kid < 1284087536 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably common lisp < 1284087565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though when it gets too complex you end up with, no joke, locks on top of the message-passing system. *groan*) < 1284087584 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1284087612 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor has support for Erlang-style message passing < 1284087628 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does scheme, so does whatever < 1284087745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually not a common thing. And besides which, message passing is not the magic solution to all multiprocessing woes. < 1284087768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best solution is, of course, to allow a lot of solutions with different pros and cons to be easy to use. < 1284087808 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd say this is the approach taken by, most notably, Haskell. And though I'm not sure, I *strongly* suspect the same is true of Scheme and Common Lisp.) < 1284087818 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284089006 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1284089299 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thue.c is insane < 1284089328 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284089384 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1284089392 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor also has futures&promises < 1284089412 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked about STM, but since it currently only has co-operative threads... < 1284089485 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it currently only has co-operative threads, STM... doesn't apply? < 1284089505 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're supposed to cooperate? < 1284089651 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have misunderstood < 1284089673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've yet to see STM really work outside of Haskell. < 1284089706 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably make it work well in something else with good metaprogramming, though. < 1284090035 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with STM outside of Haskell? < 1284090083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't bloody work at all! < 1284090094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas in Haskell, STM was a weekend project. < 1284090109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally. < 1284090181 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was about to quote someone who said that Factor won't use multiple cores, then e said e was a troll < 1284090309 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... the target and the rnum arrays are 1-based... < 1284090338 0 :mrjbq7!~jbenedik@cpe-75-84-251-166.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284090412 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi mrjbq7 < 1284090417 0 :mrjbq7!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1284090422 0 :mrjbq7!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just curious what this esoteric stuff is all about < 1284090441 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric programming languages < 1284090452 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as INTERCAL, Brainf***, Unlambda < 1284090453 0 :mrjbq7!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, Factor's not an esoteric programming language (according to the list) < 1284090461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what's it's officially about < 1284090466 0 :mrjbq7!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see the brainfuck interpreter in factor? < 1284090469 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrjbq7: we talk about all kinds of things here < 1284090470 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unofficially, it's about anything math or computersciency < 1284090491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ununofficially, it's about being off-topic. < 1284090497 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284090506 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people with a common interest in esolangs, socializing about... whatever happens to be interesting to them < 1284090523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which rarely happens to be esolangs. < 1284090524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284090542 0 :mrjbq7!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1284090564 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think I just fixed the *other two bugs* in thue.c, so... :P < 1284090578 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a language beginning with Fa that you'll be .. thought weird of if you say you like... < 1284090585 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after bug #1 was pointed out to me) < 1284090593 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 letters < 1284090612 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Father. yeah, the one ais523 is working on. < 1284090622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of Falcon < 1284090623 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait... < 1284090642 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ais523's language is Feather. And if it ever comes to exist, it will be interesting < 1284090700 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I thought you were going to say Factor < 1284090731 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to imply it, although obviously wouldn't have meant it < 1284090777 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no... actually there are only two bugs... that comparsion between char *'s is intentional! < 1284090902 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1284091699 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Falcon apparently has special casing for monads < 1284091775 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's putting it mildly < 1284091813 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know details < 1284091936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1284091997 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fscanf(file, "%[^\n]", s); <-- I think DICE C conforms to POSIX in its implementation of this, while glibc (or whatever Ubuntu is using) doesn't. < 1284092061 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908775/xsh/fscanf.html says that between [ and ] are "bytes", not "character sequences". So this reads up to the first backslash or 'n'. Not the first linefeed. < 1284092071 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it's kind of ambiguous. < 1284092315 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why john didn't just use fgets is beyond me < 1284092776 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1284092984 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1284093021 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284093316 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha HA < 1284093318 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Gp4Bh.png < 1284093801 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's scary D-8 < 1284094688 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284094693 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1284094699 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284095271 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: why thank you < 1284095288 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Have some sheet music http://codu.org/tmp/GRegor-op13-mov2-wipp6.pdf < 1284095373 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: er thank you, I will! < 1284095477 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: measure 245 QUITE HIGH < 1284095526 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Measure 250 HIGHEST NOTE ON THE PIANO < 1284095549 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspected it might be < 1284095634 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: also: measure 56 eighth rests ... QUITE LOW < 1284095690 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's a bit of a Lilypond anomaly ... < 1284095721 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you have multiple voices, it insists on putting rests in weird places. < 1284095984 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks hard to play < 1284096052 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 over 6 rhythm? < 1284096169 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not "easy" to play :P < 1284096238 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 11tuple (is that what you're referring to?) is a Chopin-tuple. It's just "stuff this arbitrary number of notes into the appropriate amount of space" < 1284096266 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rhythm doesn't really matter at that speed. < 1284096306 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Incidentally, that 11-tuple is far easier to play than either of the preceding two 9-tuples) < 1284096783 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, I should write for solo piano < 1284096815 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the best way to, uh, actually get played < 1284096884 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I do it :P < 1284096892 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets played because I play it X-P < 1284097050 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I could also just build a set with live keyboard playing + sequenced music < 1284097070 0 :mrjbq7!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1284097184 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sequenced some wind quintet + drum + electrib bass song but I don't think I'll ever have to turn that into parts :D < 1284097402 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's tricky if your preferred musical style involves as much rubato as mine ... needs humans. < 1284099197 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah would be cool to play tracker music + physical modelled instruments with a dx7 as midi controller :D < 1284099239 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284099665 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284099683 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284101637 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1284102271 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284102277 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284104733 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284105514 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284105525 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284105599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1284105600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1284105624 0 :madbr!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1284105735 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@78.104.81.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284105737 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1284105954 0 :cheater00!~cheater@p54972DCA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284106142 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1284108113 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284108878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284110494 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1284110629 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" ais523: congratulations, you've gotten me thinking about it again. i bet you could design a practical language where the only error is syntax error (that is, "you stepped outside this BNF grammar"). perhaps "practical" is an overstatement though" <<< OKLOTALK doesn't have syntax errors OR runtime errors, and it's the most practical thing ever < 1284110902 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Father. yeah, the one ais523 is working on." <<< someone make a time travel joke plz < 1284110969 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" cpressey: That's scary D-8" <<< how? < 1284111088 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* lament (~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)" <<< good byes < 1284112385 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284112424 0 :hiato!~nine@41-133-148-136.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1284113576 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284113989 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1284118572 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1284118818 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284119384 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-249.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284119723 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1284119731 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1284119733 0 :hiato!~nine@41-133-148-136.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1284122098 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284123381 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glio < 1284123424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead1d47@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.29.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284123465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what that program in the topic is and why it's been there for months.
< 1284123652 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1284123660 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like yet another Underload quine to me. < 1284123705 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a was...? < 1284123708 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1284123716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1284123717 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1284123723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add-parens is a. < 1284123746 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm right, i executed double-ass wrong in my head < 1284123762 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284123773 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (a(:^)*S):^ < 1284123773 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a(:^)*S):^ < 1284123785 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or, actually i did it right, but i remembered it was siisii instead of a quine) < 1284123844 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aSS)aSS < 1284123845 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aSS) ...out of stack! < 1284123848 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1284123857 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1284123865 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aSS):aSS < 1284123865 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS < 1284123868 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1284123877 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know why it made Ghost_Vacuum run away though. < 1284123986 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: doubles, a parens, S prints, ^ runs, * concats? < 1284124010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1284124100 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION got the quine
< 1284124103 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284124114 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ~ swaps and ! drops, if I recall correctly. < 1284124126 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you just might < 1284124413 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-111.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284125520 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284127346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284127902 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I realized after I wrote that that Befunge doesn't have syntax or runtime errors either < 1284127936 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think Gregor might be scared of computers without fans < 1284127940 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know i am) < 1284127957 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Right, and it's an incredibly practical language too. < 1284127962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, why is that quine in the topic? < 1284128042 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mystery for the ages. < 1284128059 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly because the canonical ass-quine would get us blocked by all sorts of content filters? < 1284129541 0 :derdon!~quassel@p5B3E352A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284130064 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is utterly confused by today's Freefall.
< 1284130148 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what Sam was up to last time we saw him... < 1284130191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have utterly forgotten) < 1284130327 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is beautiful < 1284131258 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1284131692 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know if there are any Underload interpreters implemented in C, out there? < 1284131927 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: My phone is a computer without a fan. < 1284132053 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain is a computer without a fan. < 1284132062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is my calculator. < 1284132071 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain is a fan without a phone. < 1284132304 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload looks like it would really easy to do in C. < 1284132335 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not "really" easy, but not hard. < 1284132705 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1284133253 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1284133281 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284133312 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284133330 0 :hiato!~nine@41-133-148-136.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1284133737 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loki < 1284134069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284134372 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284134446 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do you have Thue on your phone? No? I rest my case, whatever it may have been. < 1284134505 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you have Thue installed on your phone?" "Yes..." "Well you better let him off, then!" < 1284134864 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1284134958 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that imply that this very much computer-shaped thing I've been using actually isn't a computer, since it doesn't happen to have Thue on it? < 1284135014 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1284135799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → X restart
< 1284135802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284136511 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284137042 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284137270 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Milo's and John's Wierd interpreters are... wholly mutually incompatible. < 1284137542 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1284137702 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284138366 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@j-194.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1284138738 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1284138789 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should actually do something with that Lisp OS thing alise and I were discussing... < 1284138888 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1284138892 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1284139078 0 :lifthrasiir!Wieq2fjn@haje12.kaist.ac.kr JOIN :#esoteric < 1284139650 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284140275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_, how? < 1284140301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_, cpressey: why are there two of you? < 1284140326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like oerjan's evil twin. < 1284140333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, really? < 1284140524 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like Gregor-W without the W < 1284140558 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for "how?", I'm still trying to think of an interesting was to answer that without context < 1284141120 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*way < 1284141275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, the context is " Wow, Milo's and John's Wierd interpreters are... wholly mutually incompatible." < 1284141329 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: programs that run on one do not run on the other < 1284141676 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I use a BNC now :P < 1284143023 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm thinking about generating multi-core compatible code in my compiler < 1284143047 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't have an idea how to utilise multi-core potential in this problem, yet < 1284143265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, for all programs? < 1284143309 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, what is the problem in question? < 1284143392 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284143592 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1284143597 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, INJUSTICE < 1284143765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/ < 1284143765 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1284143766 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       /�\ < 1284143777 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: all I've seen. I have yet to see a wierd-john/wierd-milo polyglot. < 1284144006 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: generating parallell code for executing finite state automata < 1284144020 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but why? What's so incompatible between them? < 1284144433 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they have completely different interpretations of the language's semantics < 1284144460 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you're going to parallelize regular expression matching? :) < 1284144494 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, not completely maybe, but enough so that when you hit the first bend, BOOM < 1284144701 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i thought about it but i can't imagine if it's really possible < 1284145115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile the FSA into a regex, then use PPCRE and SBCL? < 1284145117 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I... there was a good paper on this... no, actually it wasn't very good :) but it did point out that some algorithms seem basically unparallelizable -- running a finite-state automaton is one of them < 1284145185 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can remember the name i'll look for it later < 1284145981 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could split the string in n parts, first one much longer than the rest, and start an automaton from each state for the latter parts, in initial state for the first part, of course this might not be very practical because if the automaton is deterministic, then there will probably be a huge number of states, so you can't really run from all of them; oh and when the first one catches up, you can drop all but one search in the second p < 1284145994 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly didn't come through so i'll repeat half < 1284145995 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not be very practical because if the automaton is deterministic, then there will probably be a huge number of states, so you can't really run from all of them; oh and when the first one catches up, you can drop all but one search in the second part, etc < 1284146284 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I pronounce a word IPA [faɪθ], how might you be inclined to spell that if you thought it was English? < 1284146295 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but non deterministic ones could be parallelized < 1284146300 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1284146312 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still i'm talking about DFA < 1284146359 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is a nondeterministic one easier to parallelize? < 1284146384 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess that's a bit obvious < 1284146403 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you've branched too many times, give a few branches to other computers < 1284146418 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming, again, a huge amount of states < 1284146452 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :converting from NFA to DFA can caouse expoinental explosion of number of states < 1284146455 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1284146486 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still DFA's are faster to execute in single process < 1284146519 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely not faster to make an explicit subset construction than to recurse, usually < 1284146520 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know it it's worth parallelizing < 1284146536 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is* < 1284146557 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my argument for "no, they are not faster to execute in single process", but i probably misunderstand you < 1284146572 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must do some research on that < 1284146580 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even a paper < 1284146598 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a RESEARCHER < 1284146607 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically... no < 1284146663 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i want my regex compiler to be as optimal as it can be < 1284146800 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an it could be my thesis < 1284147188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, fithe? < 1284147211 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm < 1284147220 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a severe split of opinions on the i/y issue. < 1284147234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weeeeellll.... < 1284147264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be pronounced "ghoti". < 1284147274 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goatee? < 1284147274 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would pronounce "fithe" with a voiced 'th' normally. < 1284147278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fish" < 1284147280 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Fish". < 1284147280 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, ala tithe < 1284147328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But English hasn't actually got a way of indicating voiced vs. unvoiced 'th'. < 1284147338 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it does, � and �. < 1284147347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*non-archaic < 1284147350 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284147362 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even remember which is which :P < 1284147386 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume 'ð' is voiced, per the IPA. < 1284147403 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't the IPA use � X-P < 1284147403 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1284147429 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :þ and ð are icelandic < 1284147468 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And archaic English. < 1284147473 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Only � I thought? < 1284147484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where the "Ye Olde" thing comes from. < 1284147487 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ð, it's pretty commonly used < 1284147496 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nobody kept wynn (which I don't even have a compose sequence for :P ) < 1284147521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the compose sequences for the others? < 1284147528 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: archaic English is in the same group as achaoic Norse and stuff < 1284147538 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1284147544 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that Norsk resembles English < 1284147545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ð died out before þ. < 1284147546 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even now < 1284147568 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, but I was talking about Icelandic :P < 1284147574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :þ lasted up until Early Modern English (barely); I'm pretty sure ð died in Middle English. < 1284147588 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Icelandic still looks like ancient Norse < 1284147594 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with new words < 1284147599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Actually, Old English was West Germanic, whereas Old Norse was North Germanic... < 1284147612 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like car and computer ;p < 1284147620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, Old English then went on to borrow an absurd number of words from Old Norse. < 1284147626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And bits of grammar. < 1284147634 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, French. < 1284147641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That was later. < 1284147642 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Later) < 1284147656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though at this time there *was* a good deal of Latin borrowing. < 1284147736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT I WANT TO DO SOMETHING ALREADY < 1284147783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. English's syntax is actually typical of North Germanic languages. Curious. < 1284147871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah, English. The West Germanic language with North Germanic grammar and Romance vocabulary. < 1284147881 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROMANCE < 1284147885 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ROMANTIC < 1284147935 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i looked at Bokmal course my first thought was sometnig like: "oh, it's like English but written differently" < 1284147977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd probably get that more with West Frisian. < 1284147985 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dutch is just English with a funny accent. < 1284147987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is, of course, somewhat useless to learn) < 1284147998 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, by that same token, German is just English with a funny accent. < 1284148002 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah, something like that < 1284148004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And French is just English with a REALLY funny accent. < 1284148006 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1284148011 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284148016 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :German is totally f&(#$^$d up < 1284148036 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish is just Russian with funny accent - wrong < 1284148047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's brilliant to be angry in, though. < 1284148048 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Czech is just Polish with a funny accent. < 1284148052 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(German, that is) < 1284148061 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i speak perfect Polish but i can't understand Russians < 1284148071 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that'd be true, it's hilarious < 1284148081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish is just Japanese run through a cypher. < 1284148097 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Czech - serek = shit < 1284148111 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish - serek = (small) cheese < 1284148124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it has superficially similar phonology. No clue why.) < 1284148129 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1284148141 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1284148176 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-111.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284148346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bûter, brea, en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk." Aaah, obvious cognates. < 1284148408 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly perfect English. < 1284148453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284148587 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tits? < 1284148793 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE? < 1284148867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, why do endings in many RPG seem like anticlimaxes? Not sure if it applies to other genres as well... < 1284148879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer RPGs that is < 1284148896 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of these days it could be time to expurgitate the hackiki poll away from the topic; I just went there and it was all "poll closed" to me. < 1284148929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Bûter, brea, en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk." Aaah, obvious cognates. <-- this looks slightly Scandinavian? < 1284148941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not Swedish, Norwegian or Danish though < 1284148972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you could edit it < 1284148976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic I mean < 1284149004 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The cheesy channel (cheddar) | (a(:^)*S):^ | Should the esolangs community have a Hackiki wiki? (Wiki capable of running nearly-arbitrary code) Vote: http://poll.fm/23p9l | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1284149036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's West Frisian. < 1284149046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no, cheddar! < 1284149046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I prefer the complaining to actual action. (And maybe it has a point still; I think it's possible to leave comments even if the poll's closed.) < 1284149068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Which is an Anglo-Frisian language... Other Anglo-Frisian languages include English and Scots. < 1284149069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh wait, not a cheese name < 1284149071 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1284149085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right. < 1284149089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it spoken? < 1284149097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or dead? < 1284149113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friesland and Groningnen, in the Netherlands. < 1284149117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284149129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1284149131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284149132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Few hundred thousand speakers. < 1284149138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1284149220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to go into extinct languages, one can find languages closer still to English. < 1284149227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1284149254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yola. < 1284149269 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, anyway what did "Bûter, brea, en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk." mean? < 1284149280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can guess at some words... < 1284149282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "Early Modern English without the vowel shift". < 1284149283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is all < 1284149324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Butter, bread, and green cheese is good English and good Fries." < 1284149344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how is it good English? < 1284149364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say it out loud. < 1284149376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds like English with a thick accent. < 1284149382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah... < 1284149417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The cheesy channel (cheddar) | Also combûter programming | Should the esolangs community have a Hackiki wiki? You should've voted: http://poll.fm/23p9l | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1284149436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the mutual comprehensibility of the two languages, though, is rather low... Mostly because English has a lot of Romantic vocabulary, and Frisian doesn't.) < 1284149451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284149594 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284150543 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: but non deterministic ones could be parallelized <-- indeed, I was assuming DFA but didn't say so. doh! < 1284151651 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-87.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1284151769 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1284152807 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284152936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are dynamically-scoped variables ethical? < 1284153072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it so that Moses' stone slabs had some "thou shalt not dynamically scope" engravings? < 1284153105 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, dynamically-scoped variables remind me of globals < 1284153151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, foolish youth! < 1284153331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1. Thou shalt not criticise any aspect of Lisp." < 1284153386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, dynamic variables are in Lisp? < 1284153390 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read your SICP today? < 1284153413 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DYNAMIC VARIABLES ARE WHAT I BLOODY WELL SAY THEY ARE < 1284153429 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the Prophet of Things! < 1284153493 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like dynamic scopes and ham, I do not like them, Sam-I-am. < 1284153540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What makes dynamic scopes different from globals? < 1284153554 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, morally, not physically < 1284153619 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are an abomination in the eyes of the lord < 1284153918 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. There's a movement to estabilish a World Parliament. < 1284153982 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serious or hopeless? < 1284153991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entirely serious. < 1284154024 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopeless? < 1284154038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at all. < 1284154298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only capable of creating a figurehead/ < 1284154346 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most probably. < 1284154370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the proposal is to rework the UN to have an elected parliament running it. < 1284154385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And to make this system replace treaties as the primary form of international law. < 1284154528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: when making some hot chocolate, if using the box marked "100% pure coca powder" *add some sugar* < 1284154541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once that is done it tastes lovely < 1284154553 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284154559 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hi < 1284154562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supporting groups include: the Council of Europe. < 1284154577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAXIOM < 1284154608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Council of Europe? < 1284154618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is this related to EU in any way? < 1284154622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a confusing name? < 1284154624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our Society to Segment. < 1284154634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Council of Europe (French: Conseil de l'Europe) is one of the oldest international organisations working towards European integration, having been founded in 1949. It has a particular emphasis on legal standards, human rights, democratic development, the rule of law and cultural co-operation. It has 47 member states with some 800 million citizens. It is distinct from the European Union (EU) which has common policies, binding laws and only twenty < 1284154634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-seven members. The two do however share certain symbols such as their flag. < 1284154641 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, maybe you can explain to me < 1284154646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's more general. < 1284154647 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Eightebeden Sgeo on the morality of dynamic scoping, or lack thereof, if you please. < 1284154655 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the moral difference between using dynamically-scoped variables and global variables < 1284154663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is distinct from the EU, but one of the pan-Europe legilsative entities. < 1284154696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The latter is usually not such a good idea; the former is probably more "moral" (for instance, if you have a LET construct you can temporarily reassign it without ugliness) BUT will confuse EVERYONE. < 1284154701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you designing a language? < 1284154705 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no < 1284154708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then? < 1284154727 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor uses dynamically-scoped variables, and I'm not sure how much, but I have a feeling that it's quite a bit < 1284154736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Factor. < 1284154744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's obscure enough that people who use it will understand it. < 1284154747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a *lot* of European legislative entities. < 1284154757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: If used tastefully, far superior to global variables. Of course, global variables have a place, too... < 1284154762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although not much of one) < 1284154767 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION deosn't want to see Factor remain obscure
< 1284154780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Most programmers suck. < 1284154782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deal. < 1284154794 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor will never, ever become mainstream. Sorry < 1284154802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:32:19 Well, Slava dislikes lazy lists ;; define more precisely < 1284154804 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will show the benefits of Factor to AW programmers < 1284154812 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AW bot programmers < 1284154820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah, thing is, from what I've seen of AW and AW people and AW-related code, they're fucking retarded. < 1284154825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like an orgy of Sgeo's fetishes. < 1284154829 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything remotely Forth-tinted will never, ever become mainstream. Sorry < 1284154837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would rather hire someone straight out of Java-school. < 1284154850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you only know of _one_ person besides me < 1284154859 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who??? < 1284154868 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other person in the project < 1284154868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the Other Programmer on Sgeo's C# project < 1284154890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey. European Parliament also called for a World Parliament. < 1284154892 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Sgeo's C# project? < 1284154899 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it in C#? < 1284154903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, if I install Mono on my Ubuntu box, will it come with an ILASM.EXE-alike? < 1284154908 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: TELL ME IT WILL < 1284154929 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I have no idea < 1284154930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Anyway, if it's anything like Second Life, and since at least that has interesting stuff, dating from /after/ people figured out how to make 3D VR simulations not completely and utterly suck, I would expect its programming user-base-subset to be more intelligent, rather than driven by ridiculous nostalgia. < 1284154933 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap < 1284154943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if the quality is superior, I expect it will not be by much. < 1284154946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: probably < 1284154951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dis/Assembling CIL Code - Mono < 1284154951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilasm: The Mono Assembler can be given disassembled text, and it creates an assembly file. This is very important, because many compilers don't create the ... < 1284154959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilasm(1): Mono IL assembler - Linux man page < 1284154960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilasm is the Mono ILAsm assembler. You can pass one or more options to drive the compiler, and a set of source files. < 1284154960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux.die.net/man/1/ilasm - Cached - Similar < 1284154960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilasm - Mono Wiki < 1284154960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 Apr 2008 ... The Mono IL assembler. Comparable to the Microsoft ilasm.exe tool. < 1284154961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mono.wikia.com/wiki/Ilasm - Cached - Similar < 1284154963 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: try google < 1284154965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284154973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Second Life's code sucks horridly. < 1284154974 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so, "Mono IL assembler" < 1284154978 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1284154983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is perhaps the worst C++ I have ever seen. < 1284154990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean people who program things for Second Life. < 1284154994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1284155003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you imagine how bad that code is, imagine how incorrigibly terrible Active Worlds code is going to be. < 1284155008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yeah. < 1284155012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: == CIL < 1284155027 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I should hope so < 1284155056 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mono: a project to port .NET to different architectures and to gratuitously change the VM language it is built on. Hey, not a bad idea! < 1284155059 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I work on Smalltalk bindings for AW instead? < 1284155069 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm still planning to after Pharo 1.2 comes out < 1284155074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1284155148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO BINDINGS FFS < 1284155155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am fucking sick of hearing about you asking the question < 1284155161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SHOULD I MAKE AW BINDINGS FOR [random language]?" < 1284155172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have heard it like threeee thouusand fuckinggg timesssss < 1284155178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In like three minutes < 1284155228 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering how poorly maintained my bindings for Python are, and how that's what most people are interested in.. < 1284155263 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: should i compile perl with my regexp compiler? < 1284155268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I talk about random shit some time, but if ANYONE in here is actually interested in the language-binding preferences of people who use Active Worlds, PLEASE make some sort of noise now. < 1284155272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sometimes, < 1284155275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Yes. Very yes. < 1284155283 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION makes enough noise to deafen everyone.
< 1284155293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Allow me to introduce you to #sgeo! < 1284155294 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's (!) doable < 1284155300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Topic for #sgeo is: Sacred Geometry Topcis < 1284155303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be at home there. < 1284155305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I want a world parliament dammit! < 1284155309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Also a pony. < 1284155317 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boobs < 1284155320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I dunno, I'm not much fond of that idea. < 1284155337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It has the potential to be very... insidious. < 1284155363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Alternately, I want to estabilish a totalitarian state and eliminate everyone responsible for evil. < 1284155367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284155367 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drags alise bac into #sgeo
< 1284155373 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that sounds very, very wrong < 1284155375 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1284155397 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, sacred geometry. < 1284155398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, what the hell is bac? < 1284155409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And then you go mad with power. < 1284155410 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank YOU, Pythagoras, for having WEIRD BELIEFS. < 1284155424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, but only once the evil people are gone. < 1284155437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Thus creating a new evil person! < 1284155442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that the inevitable toppling of power ends with the assholes gone. < 1284155444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284155471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION clones himself, so the clone can be the dictator and he can be the freedom fighter
< 1284155475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERFECTION < 1284155490 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he could make an analytical engine in AW
< 1284155499 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be easier than a full-blown 8-bit computer < 1284155502 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that design TC? < 1284155516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OJFDIGJDFOIHJDTFOGHOIFDGHJODIGFHJ < 1284155520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT ISN'T AW FOR TEN MINUTES < 1284155556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Coup d'État of the Week < 1284155568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that the correct capitalisation?) < 1284155596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes) < 1284155598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1284155605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So! I hereby proclaim Ubuntu Netbook Edition INTERESTING < 1284155606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had forgotten that the US has private ambulances. < 1284155609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*INTERESTING. < 1284155615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its WM is ratpoison with gradients. < 1284155620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, uh, the rat. < 1284155622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1284155625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of windows, it has tabs. < 1284155665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Privatised essential services. *sigh* < 1284155686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The tabs become just the icon when not focused to save screen real-estate. The window takes up the whole screen apart from the small bar at the top. Below all Windows is a large-scale version of the GNOME menu plus a directory listing of ~ and a list of volumes (clicking them opens Nautilus). < 1284155692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Nautilus).) < 1284155701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's great on, uh, a netbook. < 1284155816 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sacred geometry! < 1284155848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is rather disturbing how few unmaximised windows I use. < 1284156114 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284156138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. Some fundamentalist atheist sued the US, alleging violations of the First Amendment, in response to the crew of Apollo 8 reading from the Book of Genesis... < 1284156158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The suit was dismissed for lack of jurisdiction. < 1284156186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fundamentalist atheist" ;; I prefer the term "moron latching on to atheism as a way to get attention". < 1284156214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fundamentalist" in attachment to any religious belief tends to mean "moron latching on to X as a way to get attention". < 1284156216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "fundamentalist atheist" would be one who intolerantly adheres to the most anal-retentive form of atheism in the strongest way. So... he'd just be REALLY ADAMANT that god doesn't exist. < 1284156234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just happens that "fundamentalist [actual religion]" usually means "batshit crazy". < 1284156263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think Buzz Aldrin taking the Communion was objectionable, though. < 1284156277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't much like the idea of even a small amount of alcohol in an astronaut. < 1284156294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fundamentalism" for religious beliefs is actually typically divergent from the original religious beliefs in question... < 1284156303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the one who sued is the founder of American Atheists. < 1284156317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure that lawsuit was to prove a point. < 1284156349 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284156424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The idea of this entry was to do the impossible: a 1K remake of the famous WOLF5K that rocked the final edition of the5K. Does not feature guns, violence: in WOLF1K, there is no room for guns or any form of violence." < 1284156523 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1284156532 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284156671 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, someone in Crawl got 267 runes < 1284156705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally know what that means. < 1284156717 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i want 267 runes < 1284156725 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally have no idea what it means < 1284156730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOu need 3 runes to get to the Realm of Zot, which has the Orb of Zot < 1284156752 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runes are collected at the ends of.. some places < 1284156753 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can make guesses which likely conform to the general idea, and cannot possibly make guesses the conform to the specifics < 1284156759 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in the abyss, and in Pandemonium I think < 1284156765 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/78291/morgue-78291-20100518-161512.txt < 1284156924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check out the notes! < 1284156944 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo deosn't want to see Factor remain obscure <-- but they have broken "monads". < 1284156959 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Broken? < 1284156959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not really broken. More like "not really monads at all" < 1284156960 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1284156968 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Howso? < 1284156973 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Vorpal might be thinking of Falcon < 1284156993 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as I said, we need a language called "Falctorn" < 1284157010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh right < 1284157022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, that explains it < 1284157030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, yeah factor is pretty good. < 1284157052 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor doesn't excite me much, but it's nowhere near Falcon. < 1284157071 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure doesn't excite me much either < 1284157076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, well... the first two letters and the next to last. And c moved around. < 1284157097 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok, ok, in terms of *edit distance*... < 1284157098 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the edit distance isn't h uge < 1284157103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge* < 1284157129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I was actually thinking hamming distance, then switching to edit distance when I realised there was a c that could be moved around < 1284157165 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what languages do excite me? < 1284157172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I hope befunge98 does! < 1284157177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it doesn't. < 1284157190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what doesn't what? < 1284157200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even if it did in 1998, it's been 12 fucking years!) < 1284157213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: unless I am severely mistaken, Befunge-98 does not excite cpressey. < 1284157217 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284157233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 12 years might be stretching it a bit < 1284157272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge-110, however... < 1284157278 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't actually thinking of including esolangs in that set < 1284157385 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually thinking of C. < 1284157422 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The usual edit distance (Levenshtein one) only counts substitutions, additions and deletions, so you need two operations to "move the c around", and then a substitution to change t/l; that's larger than just the two substitutions, so it doesn't matter whether you use the Hamming or Levenshtein distance. < 1284157469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So. I have concluded that xkcd is busy being brilliant, not lame. < 1284157482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Befunge-110, however... < 1284157487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is abandoned, afaik. Or do you mean Vorpal's version? < 1284157494 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This has been another episode of the continuing series of "focus on the unimportant details only". Thank you.) < 1284157497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'll just answer your questions for you in future, kay. < 1284157503 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1284157503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: He is subverting the expectation that a comic should be "funny", by trying his hardest to not be funny. < 1284157508 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: okay. HEY WAIT < 1284157522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. < 1284157530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to say "but the latest comic-" < 1284157554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, nice one < 1284157642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, pikhq, with all that Vorpal-pressure you'd better keep delivering the yuks, or we'll just call you xkcd 2: Electric Boogaloo, and maintain an xkcd 2: Electric Boogaloo sucks blog. < 1284157659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that fails, we'll have to start xkcd 2: Electric Boogaloo sucks 2: Electric Boogaloo. < 1284157684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we'll get arrested by the Breakin'-sequel-title-ripoffs police. < 1284157732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Such* a bizarre sequel title. < 1284157761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Vorpal-pressure? < 1284157763 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vorpal pressure" sounds like a fakey physics term, though. "The vorpal pressure of the vacuum destabilization chamber is rising!" < 1284157779 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice < 1284157781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: We're leaking warp plasma! < 1284157792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess the Five Iron Frenzy album was more bizarre, though. What with their 4th album claiming to be "Five Iron Frenzy 2". < 1284157809 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm gonna play with FightClub < 1284157817 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. For the record. I never planned a Befunge-110. Someone else might've. I idly thought Befunge-111 might be a good idea and started writing a spec. I shelved it. < 1284157822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Have fun with that. < 1284157825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Ah, yes, 111. < 1284157836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-110 was Vorpal's anal-retentive "clarification" of -98. < 1284157840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-111. < 1284157843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consistency must prevail! < 1284157844 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently I had more dangerous thoughts about what a Befunge-111 could be. I never told anyone about them. I have effectively shelved them too. < 1284157855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More dangerous than replacing fingerprints with URIs? < 1284157868 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadow dragon > orb guardian < 1284157877 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hard to compare < 1284157889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I assume "dangerous" means "utterly ludicrous". < 1284157890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Was it computable? < 1284157922 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um... I was trying to make something that didn't leave 1/3rd unspeced... And 98 and t speced in a way that would basically make it not work < 1284157925 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was computable. No, they weren't quite ludicrous enough. Thus shelved. < 1284157976 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284158005 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, O < 1284158010 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whhh < 1284158012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Unfortunately, only ten people ever had the desire to implement -98, only five got far enough for the ambiguously specified (not unspecified; it didn't have sections missing or anything) parts; only four decided to keep going, and they easily found consensus, e.g. from Mycology. < 1284158027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pick on those hypothetical example numbers, I will shoot you. < 1284158041 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to think of 98 as being "goobishly specified" < 1284158058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, they are underestimates yes. And shoot if you want. I have protection < 1284158096 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think there should be 5 for the last group < 1284158114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Please kill this man. < 1284158347 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I can't. I'm trapped in WOLF1K where there is no room for violence. < 1284158432 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really want to know, one idea was to abandon fingerprints in favour of sucking in all of Unicode as the instruction set. < 1284158517 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, there's no need to push the semantics of TURT onto A-Z. Just start using, I dunno, ᓀᐦᐃᔭᐍᐏᐣ, and you've started manipulating the turtle. < 1284158591 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the fabled mythical central repository, that sounds like a very conflicty solution, unless you cultivate a culture of deliberately avoiding trying to make the instruction characters meaningful. < 1284158624 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the spec wouldn't define any of this. It would just define a distributed standards process: if you want some instructions to do something, start a blog, use the phrase "Befunge-111 Standards Proposal" in the title of your blog posts so I can find them with Google, and find civilized ways to deal with conflicts. < 1284158640 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I can/implementors can/ < 1284158648 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ☃. < 1284158680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the "reduce temperature" operation of the weather control machine extension.) < 1284158683 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't know what to do about combining characters. Disallow them, probably, as they could "combine" in 4 directions. < 1284158725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oooh that sounds nice < 1284158728 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Amazing that my font *has* then, when it barfs on simple Cree syllabary. < 1284158736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you could have them do different things in different directions < 1284158737 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/then/that/ < 1284158758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, actually more than 4 < 1284158761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, remember x < 1284158771 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(set delta) < 1284158801 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be tricky to write though < 1284158809 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode combining characters come after the base character, anyway, which sounds a bit awkward. You'd need to do a bit of lookahead, if you'd want to assign semantics on the combination, instead of the combining characters separately. < 1284158813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but you could do code that depends on delta < 1284158828 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see this is all why "disallow" < 1284158851 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm < 1284158861 0 :derdon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284158865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the combining characters came before the base character, you could let them combine to whatever the IP encounters next. Though then you'd need normalization if you wanted a "a + combining diaeresis" always do the same thing as ä. < 1284158866 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, TRDS < 1284158884 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just go back in time instead of lookahead < 1284158933 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284158986 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REGARDING OPERATION HATHEIST < 1284159026 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we get the Pope out of the Popemobile long enough to be able to snag his hat? < 1284159052 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put out some bait. What do popes eat? < 1284159090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be stripping more characters out of the C-style constants b93 program; it's a crying shame that currently FORTRAN, of all languages, is 12 characters (out of 115) more concise than Befunge, using the common "ais523 anagolf C style constants" (AACSC) metric. < 1284159137 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284159234 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it! < 1284159289 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could search for "How to get the Pope out of the Popemobile?" in gamefaqs or something; the question *really* sounds like an adventure game hint. < 1284159292 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll dangle some Eucharist crackers from one RC plane, then when the Pope starts running after the tasty demigod flesh, we snag the hat with the high-speed RC plane! < 1284159341 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284159350 0 :Phantom_Hoover__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1284159382 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to take into account the half-life of god-flesh; doesn't it decay back to cookies pretty fast? < 1284159423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, one of my father's cousins is a Catholic priest... < 1284159443 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could go to my local church and pretend to have had a revelation. < 1284159532 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked Wolfram|Alpha for "half-life of eucharist", but it just told me the word itself has a scrabble score of 14. Again a letdown. < 1284159551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for kwyjibo. < 1284159685 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, a google books result of a Webster's dictionary has the following: "The bread and wine of the Eucharist. ♦ synonyms: 1. element, basic, ... has a mass number of 272 and a half-life of 1.5 milliseconds. element 112 n. ..."; I'm sure there's nothing important in the "..." part. (But with a half-life of 1.5 milliseconds, and considering how long it usually takes for people to chomp down, there's quite a large percentage of cookie-dough instead of go < 1284159685 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d-flesh in what people eat.) < 1284159690 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Put out some bait. What do popes eat?" <<< i just know he shits in the woods < 1284159702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Does he shit prime numbers, though? < 1284159720 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A "prime-number pooping pope" javascript page might get some angry comments.) < 1284159748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linking to what everyone is already referencing time! http://alpha61.com/primenumbershittingbear/ < 1284159822 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the few things that make me proud of my nationality, that. < 1284159837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so wait, the Pope has a god Geiger counter? < 1284159876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he's the *Pope*, I would assume he can detect this sort of stuff. < 1284159885 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1284159889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, they surely teach that at the pope school. < 1284159906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's get a REALLY FAST RC plane. < 1284159913 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't there the whole infallibility thing too. < 1284159957 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, what about that Eucharist that still needed safe disposal by trained Church personnel ages after the communion it was stolen from? < 1284159996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, surely the Pope could detect someone dangling some god-flesh decay products from a plane above him? < 1284160018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But would he go after that? Well, maybe he would. < 1284160020 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 MST3k < 1284160058 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have it! < 1284160172 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazon has a paperback called "How to be Pope: What to Do and Where to Go Once You're in the Vatican"; but that doesn't sound directly applicable to hatheism. < 1284160180 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plane has a lithium battery; we pack the god-flesh around this. The Pope can use his infallibility in religious matters to detect this threat of spreading dangerous god waste over a large crowd of the righteous, so he runs outside the Popemobile in a heroic effort to shoot it down safely, at which point we fly the RC interceptor in and snag the hat < 1284160200 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misread that as "the pope has a lithium battery"; was going to ask for a citation. < 1284160286 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A duracell pope: it just keeps going, and going, and going, and going... < 1284160353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We then crash-land the bait near the guards who are, at this point, trying to shoot down the plane with the hat. The guards now need to be degodtaminated by the Pope, so noöne can stop us! < 1284160549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are these "we" you're talking about, anyway? Or is this the royal we? < 1284160574 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me and my aviation nut friend. < 1284160622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nut in rather more ways, I expect. < 1284160643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1284160662 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we don't want sane people in Operation Hatheist. < 1284160684 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also, if this fails, you shall have to attempt to steal the hat somewhere in England. < 1284160698 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to a magazine, this is what happens if someone proves that P=NP: < 1284160700 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Computers would acquire mind-boggling powers such as near-perfect translation, speech recognition and object identification; the hardest questions in mathematics would melt like butter under computation’s power; and current computer security methods would be as easy to crack as a TSA-approved suitcase lock." < 1284160705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. < 1284160712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Near-perfect translation XD < 1284160714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I'll have to ask ais. < 1284160722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He's ... rather unflinchingly legal. < 1284160728 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he lives in one of the cities on the tour. < 1284160735 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't exactly specify how it will come to pass, just that it will. < 1284160748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He won't even break the rules of a nomic game! < 1284160748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ais is? < 1284160751 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like buttah < 1284160751 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1284160761 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's just a minor case of hat-stealing. < 1284160810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just give the judge a false name after they haul you in, pay your 20 pound fine, and it's back to the Drones that afternoon! < 1284160813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that depends on the constant and/or factor < 1284160846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be be "P but with horribly bad constant" for example < 1284160873 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(n^7!!) < 1284160875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, because P = NP would give us a P but with a horribly bad constant algorithm for magical translation. < 1284160885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are both correct and missing the point entirely! < 1284160890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conflagulations. < 1284160895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that *could* happen. Not saying that it would < 1284160907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do not understand what P = NP is. Or... translation... < 1284160938 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh that? I meant in regards to security < 1284160951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the translation is obviously non-sensical < 1284160989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I didn't think I had to point that out < 1284160992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you only pointed out something that we ... already totally knew. < 1284160997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You really didn't have to point that out, either. < 1284161005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Captain Obvious at your service < 1284161028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A figure used to represent a sort of idiocy, I might add. < 1284161055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes I know.... I was being sarcastic < 1284161064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →←↓↑ < 1284161080 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no, that's completely wrong! < 1284161095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Vorpal got lost in the wrong direction and got ripped apart by dimensions. < 1284161097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can only hope. < 1284161170 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :↑, ↑, ↓, ↓, ←, →, ←, →, B, A. (I wonder if that will do anything in this channel.) < 1284161194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot to select two-player mode and start the game. < 1284161199 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is the article in question http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/63252/title/Crowdsourcing_peer_review? < 1284161210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Try pressing START. < 1284161267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you get the up and down arrows? < 1284161269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm? < 1284161311 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION determines a konami code bot to be strictly necessary
< 1284161330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie hasn't pressed START yet. < 1284161350 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't decide whether I want to press select first. < 1284161365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it doesn't time out on me. < 1284161380 0 :UnicornRainbow!~ehird@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284161383 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE LITTLE TIME REMAINING. < 1284161386 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACT QUICKLY. < 1284161388 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1284161392 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaa! < 1284161393 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SELECT, START. < 1284161398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There goes. < 1284161401 0 :UnicornRainbow!~ehird@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284161412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnicornRainbow, why the Mysterious Sock? < 1284161421 0 :SuperMagicYay!~ehird@91.104.247.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284161422 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one old bear < 1284161423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE5? < 1284161428 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did hear the "bling" sound, I guess it did something. < 1284161438 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnicornRainbow: WE WILL FIGHT CRIME. < 1284161438 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SuperMagicYay: WE WILL FIGHT CRIME. < 1284161444 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god, should I step up Operation Hatheist to the next level? < 1284161450 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnicornRainbow: I CONCUR. < 1284161451 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SuperMagicYay: I CONCUR. < 1284161459 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ZZZZZIP! < 1284161460 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FWOOOM! < 1284161476 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15 LIVES] < 1284161477 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15 LIVES] < 1284161489 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW YOU HAVE 30 EXTRA LIVES. < 1284161489 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW YOU HAVE 30 EXTRA LIVES. < 1284161505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1284161530 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UnicornRainbow, can I fight crime? < 1284161532 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPINESS < 1284161532 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAPPINESS < 1284161533 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS < 1284161534 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS < 1284161536 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCELLENT < 1284161537 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCELLENT < 1284161548 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: PERHAPS. < 1284161549 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: PERHAPS. < 1284161553 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MUST DIE FIRST. < 1284161553 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MUST DIE FIRST. < 1284161560 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dies
< 1284161587 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION comes back to life with god-radiation from a god-flesh reactor
< 1284161595 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is as unto a god
< 1284161608 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses his power to steal the Pope's hat
< 1284161628 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOOL. < 1284161629 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOOL. < 1284161709 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YOU WILL DIE NOW. < 1284161709 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: YOU WILL DIE NOW. < 1284161730 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ut-oh. < 1284161774 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1284161774 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1284161778 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MY WORD < 1284161781 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE TIMESTREAM HAS BEEN DISRUPTED < 1284161784 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, quick! < 1284161786 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUR COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUSNESS -- GONE < 1284161791 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUR CRIME-FIGHTING ABILITY -- VANQUISHED < 1284161795 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUR SHAME -- IMMEASURABLE < 1284161796 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION aims his god-beam at Finland
< 1284161803 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUR LOVE OF FINLAND -- TARNISHED < 1284161811 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OUR ONLY HOPE -- RITUALISED SUICIDE < 1284161812 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A GASER! < 1284161812 0 :UnicornRainbow!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1284161815 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CONCUR. < 1284161817 0 :SuperMagicYay!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1284161863 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the moral of the story is that I should perhaps be more careful with them buttons. < 1284161919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie, how do you get the up and down arrows?<-- AltGr-y and AltGr-Y < 1284161964 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES < 1284161981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah untrue, dirty Swede < 1284161991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's u < 1284161992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not y < 1284161995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and U, not Y) < 1284162001 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyway, we've now got a horde of deified Finns coming for us! < 1284162005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION MUST BE TAKEN < 1284162019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err oops < 1284162026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed < 1284162040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :← is altgr-y < 1284162051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ııııııııııııııııııııııııııı < 1284162059 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1ıiI < 1284162061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284162064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting char < 1284162073 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :altgr-shift-i < 1284162087 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it's one of the types in the STLC. < 1284162098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Aren't you thinking of 1? < 1284162098 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, stlc? < 1284162105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably the type of one inhabitant. < 1284162110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: simply typed ... < 1284162112 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, pah! < 1284162120 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1284162120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides that predicate words shouldn't pop their argument in concatenative languages
< 1284162127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's called 1 because it has one inhabitant... < 1284162129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Booleans are 2, etc. < 1284162132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is set theory stuff. < 1284162141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take action < 1284162142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is indeed. < 1284162142 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the word "action". < 1284162155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, what's the member of 1, then? < 1284162199 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MUST KNOW < 1284162357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unit < 1284162359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tt < 1284162363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever you want to call it < 1284162367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell it's () :: () < 1284162371 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284162416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ı ("latin small letter dotless i") is used at least in Turkish. < 1284162489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also have a dotted capital I. < 1284162584 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HATHEIST <<< does this mean a person who believes in hats, or an especially hateful atheist < 1284162617 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284162669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit problematic, since when case-mapping, often i -> I and I -> i (since that's what is generally expected), even in systems where ı -> I and İ -> i properly. < 1284162681 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no, one who tries to steal the hat of the pope iirc? < 1284162685 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those whacky turks < 1284162694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that was operation hatheist < 1284162698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →→→→ < 1284162956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* alise decides that predicate words shouldn't pop their argument in concatenative languages" <<< and they don't, in japanese you can have multiple verbs using the same arguments < 1284162965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stick them at the end of the sentence < 1284162971 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afaik) < 1284162979 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese is the new Factor < 1284163000 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese ... is a concatenative language ... < 1284163000 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure japanese is "concatenative" tho, just verb-last :D < 1284163001 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ooh, spoken at 5:55:55) < 1284163021 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284163051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "* alise decides that predicate words shouldn't pop their argument in concatenative languages" <<< and they don't, in japanese you can have multiple verbs using the same arguments < 1284163052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verily < 1284163060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about verbs though < 1284163067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm you're totally right < 1284163067 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Wait, you're in EST? < 1284163071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :default-popping is a bit silly < 1284163074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you end up popping a lot i guess < 1284163083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: when it comes to natural languages, i figured sov is as close as you get < 1284163086 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, CST, I thought < 1284163099 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, haw, I'm off by one X-P < 1284163104 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In spite of ... being in EST ... >_> < 1284163104 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, CDT < 1284163175 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: So what are you doing in some godawful midwestern state? :P