00:00:21 :P 00:00:41 Gregor: I propose we sue Apple for funding. 00:01:50 I wish it was easy to put graphical Linux programs in a sandbox. Wait... we could! 00:02:31 Y'see, what I'm thinking here now is: You put an apt:// link on a page, and voila! Clicking it "downloads" (installs with the installed-GC thing) and opens it in a total sandbox. 00:02:47 Because really all it needs to be able to do is access your ~ based on a file open/close dialogue... 00:04:05 INSUFFICIENT TALKING 00:04:10 -!- wareya_ has joined. 00:04:12 * Topic for #slate is: The Slate programming language | http://code.google.com/p/slate-language http://www.slatelanguage.org http://github.com/briantrice/slate-language http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/slate/ 00:04:14 Curses! 00:04:22 not another one 00:04:28 cpressey_: Slate is old 00:04:29 TUNES old 00:04:30 (i know, i know) 00:04:34 it was hosted on tunes until recently 00:04:39 but only recently topicalized 00:04:45 topicalised how 00:04:53 you started talking about it 00:04:56 it's prototype-based smalltalk (which is cool) 00:04:59 cpressey_: just now, you mean? 00:05:07 just today as far as i'm aware 00:05:11 I was quoting it to curse them for stealing my channel name. 00:05:20 cpressey_: No, "Slate" is my tablet. 00:05:20 * Sgeo switches his loyalty and love to Slate 00:05:42 * cpressey_ smiles wanly 00:05:53 (there's no emoticon for that) 00:05:57 Wait, prototype-based Smalltalk? So, what's the difference between Slate and Self? 00:06:05 cpressey_: :douglasadams: 00:06:12 Sgeo: 4,000 miles and a zebra 00:06:13 Sgeo: slate has more unicorns 00:06:23 also, it's different. 00:06:27 alise: zebracorns 00:06:27 Sgeo: it has multimethods 00:06:31 i.e. methods aren't attached to the object 00:06:37 like CLOS 00:06:41 Oooo 00:07:01 * Sgeo likes CLOS-like, but hasn't actually tried CLOS 00:07:09 Just Factorness, which is apparently CLOS-like 00:07:56 -!- wareya has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:07:56 what comes next in this sequence: Thue, ///, ... 00:07:57 I think I hate your guts. 00:08:02 cpressey_: a donkey 00:08:03 ..? 00:08:08 or: 00:08:15 a LED with no power supply 00:08:16 alise: i ain't gonna implement no donkey in R though. 00:08:25 This is the statistics R, right? 00:08:30 yes 00:08:35 Do it in E instead. 00:08:42 wouter's E? 00:08:43 http://www.erights.org/ 00:08:44 This E. 00:08:52 The capability-security language. 00:08:56 It's pretty cool. 00:09:04 ANOTHER PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE 00:09:06 * Sgeo still wants Newspeak to mature 00:09:07 Fortran 00:09:08 ANOTHER PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE 00:09:24 alise: that e is boring 00:09:28 is not 00:09:35 whatever 00:09:42 why have you become boring 00:09:57 i have my reasons. wait what? 00:10:12 you're just whatevering anything without looking at it :P 00:10:19 i've seen it before 00:10:41 Not boring: Sgeo going insane. 00:10:48 Actually, wait, that is rather boring 00:11:03 haha they call e users elang-ers 00:11:06 the erlang guys must hate them 00:12:33 now if we made a language named "er" ... 00:12:44 -!- cpressey_ has quit (Quit: is boring now and thus doesn't belong here.). 00:13:08 i think cpressey may be a bit pissed off. 00:13:13 just a hunch though 00:15:09 ais523: quick, generate an insane idea 00:17:09 Gregor: pikhq: Does the Device work on you? 00:17:14 It's very rusty... 00:17:22 alise: hey you didn't notice my insane idea 00:17:28 oerjan: what was it 00:17:32 it could be a cross of E and R 00:17:42 now if we made a language named "er" ... 00:17:44 that's not insane, you're slipping 00:18:01 * oerjan wails 00:18:08 YOU MEAN 00:22:05 -!- GreaseMonkey has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:22:34 alise: a program that automatically creates a 3D world to explore given only a text adventure as input 00:23:05 ais523: noted. wait, on the Slate? 00:23:17 you asked for an insane idea 00:23:21 fair enough 00:23:22 done 00:23:23 my head just exploded 00:23:39 for a Slate, it would be more useful getting it to automatically illustrate fiction books 00:23:44 as reading is a common use for a tablet PC 00:23:55 ahh i dunno with a regular display that's not so good :P 00:24:06 I'd use one of those Pixel Qi displays, but... they're not really ready yet. 00:29:48 A realistic portrayal of AI! http://cowbirdsinlove.com/906 00:30:16 (Also notable for being the first ever instance of the line "Suck it, Werner Heisenberg!".) 00:30:34 alise : heheheh 00:30:41 (Note: Has title text) 00:34:14 Every webcomic does nowadays 00:34:38 Wow, CBIL used to have terrible art. 00:35:15 (http://cowbirdsinlove.com/5) 00:35:34 (That's actually better art than in 1-4 :P) 00:35:36 Slereah: not IWC 00:35:52 oerjan: if you can call that a WEBCOMIC 00:36:02 or darths & droids 00:42:19 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:43:35 -!- ais523 has joined. 00:45:21 wb ais523 01:03:39 There is an Inspector Gadget Minus Gadget 01:03:43 Amazing 01:22:46 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:28:05 alise: Is it just Penny (was that her name?) solving all the crimes/mysteries for no apparent reason? 01:28:13 Yes 01:28:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6MR14mFtIw 01:28:28 It flows perfectly 01:29:58 Sure enough. 01:30:23 "Where's Uncle Gadget" indeed. 01:32:07 Hahaha 01:32:20 I figured they'd remove all references to him. 01:32:27 But just all scenes with him. 01:32:31 That's kinda interesting :P 01:34:47 So he's taking the jet, which presumably means he already killed Gadget, and we just didn't see those scenes. 01:34:53 (At 3:45) 01:35:11 Penny seems unconcerned. 01:36:01 I figured they'd remove all references to him. 01:36:01 But just all scenes with him. 01:36:02 wat 01:36:13 ah right 01:36:25 Goodnight. 01:36:28 Bye. 01:36:30 -!- alise has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:37:51 "Uncle Gadget will never find us here!" 01:37:54 Oh, she's in denial. 01:37:55 Got it. 01:38:13 :D 01:40:10 "Sounds like everything's back to normal" WHERE IS THE PILOT FOR YOUR PLANE 01:40:54 It is amazing how irrelevant Gadget is :P 01:41:41 There are probably strictly MORE idiosyncrasies in the normal version. 01:42:27 Gadget serves to be the namesake. 01:42:35 Crappy job, really. 01:53:37 o.O 01:53:44 There's *tobacco* subsidies in the US. 01:53:49 In addition to tobacco taxes. 01:54:13 *We simultaneously tax and subsidise tobacco*. 01:56:22 although i don't know that there is tobacco grown in norway, i'm pretty sure similar stuff applies to most of our farming 01:58:44 and the EU has the CAP 02:00:57 alcohol might be a better example for us, i'm sure we both make it and (even more sure) tax it heavily 02:01:09 s/us/norway/ 02:02:19 pikhq: btw you asked the other day if norwegian was hard to learn. i forgot about the bokmål/nynorsk/dialects complications 02:03:05 although you'd normally only learn to _use_ bokmål specifically, you'd want to learn to understand the rest... 02:03:34 oerjan: Do you have the government *paying people* to make alcohol? 02:04:27 pikhq: maybe not for making the alcohol but probably for growing the plants to make it 02:05:55 i'd _guess_ there are no _specific_ alcohol subsidies. 02:09:06 We directly pay people to grow tobacco *explicitly*. And then tax the tobacco when it's sold. 02:09:25 right 02:09:27 Oh, and the payment for the tobacco subsidy comes out of the tobacco tax. 02:13:27 So basically, the government IS the tobacco industry. 02:23:24 -!- Mathnerd314 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716]). 02:51:19 Why doesn't emacs in Perl mode have any C-c bindings? 02:54:33 Can someone please explain Perl 02:54:43 Perl's weird behavior upon doing modulo 1? 02:54:47 Is 'ua' in "actually" a diaeresis? 02:55:28 what weird behavior 02:56:02 print (5 % 1); 02:56:03 0[ 02:56:10 Erm, that [ was just my prompt 02:56:20 Oh, wai.. no 02:56:25 Oh, duh 02:56:28 * Sgeo facepalms 02:56:35 * oerjan assumes you figured it out 02:57:11 I cannot rightly comprehend the confusion of ideas that led me to believe that doing something modulo 1 would simply round the something 02:57:56 what a load of babbage 02:58:03 Gregor: I doubt it. 02:59:06 pikhq: I guess I'm trying to figure out if 'ua' is a diphthong :P 02:59:12 I think it is. 02:59:26 Well if it is, then actUAlly is a diaeresis! 02:59:34 Gregor: this non-native speaker guesses it depends on dialect, like everything else 02:59:38 Or maybe just how I pronounce it? 02:59:42 oerjan: Yuh >_< 02:59:49 oerjan: Quite true. 03:00:01 English has a lot of variation in the spoken language. 03:00:12 I don't know how it compares to other languages in that regard. 03:00:22 I guess a lot of people just pronounce it like "actchally" 03:00:45 (*ignoring* things like "Chinese" which are a fucking language *family*, last mutually intelligible 2000 years ago) 03:02:42 well i can say that norwegian has a bit as well :P 03:03:49 oerjan: Actually, some argue that you've merely got a single Scandinavian language. :P 03:04:19 that's when we invade them with our army and navy 03:04:38 -!- cal153 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 03:04:56 or at least look sternly at them 03:05:09 * Sgeo titles his homework assignment with the thing about Perl in the topic 03:32:33 -!- cal153 has joined. 03:47:10 -!- __s has joined. 03:49:02 Hi __s 03:49:10 <__s> Hello 03:49:35 Are you a regular here? If not, what do you believe this channel is about? 03:49:41 <__s> It's odd seeing a discussion of one's program without their presence 03:49:45 Ah 03:49:55 <__s> I believe this discussion is about esoteric programming languages 03:50:18 Ok, just wanted to be sure. Some people come here thinking that it's about ... spiritual stuff.. esoterica? 03:50:23 <__s> Seems the two I recognize from what I read previous is Deewiant and pikhq 03:50:24 What program? 03:50:47 <__s> http://github.com/serprex/Befunge 03:50:56 <__s> Finally fixed it 03:51:12 <__s> Discussions I found were from before I had it running Wumpus even 03:51:48 <__s> Reading made me wish I'd heard some things prior 03:52:06 <__s> I'm about to test with dimensions of powers of two 03:52:30 <__s> But overall I figure I should inquire to the details of what's been done with Befunge and jits so far 03:53:04 * Sgeo is probably the wrong person to ask 03:53:15 <__s> Right now I have an idea that would lack an optimizer. An array of commands' assembly to glue together 03:53:34 <__s> I'm aware there's an LLVM attempt, but LLVM is rather heavy to what should be rather light weight 03:53:45 <__s> Unladden swallow is quite amusing 03:54:53 __s: i recall fizzie had a jit befunge under construction 03:55:24 <__s> But he's sticking to the habit of keeping a program under wraps until it's done? 03:55:47 <__s> Programs are never done, release broken code and keep releasing broken code. Sooner or later people will think it works 03:55:54 i don't know _that_, but last i heard it still was pretty buggy 03:56:31 <__s> I've been finding it rather hard to find fast interpreters 03:56:34 also for all i know he _has_ put it on the web, i just don't remember 03:56:51 <__s> fizzie: jit befunge where? 03:57:18 hm i guess fizzie's jit is the llvm attempt you mention 03:58:06 <__s> How was the performance, bugs aside? 03:58:13 <__s> Performance including memory use 03:58:27 i don't remember 04:00:20 <__s> Is there a resource better than the rather scarce esolang where I can find fast Befunge interpreters and benchmarks? 04:00:56 not that i know, unless it's linked there 04:01:09 * oerjan is definitely not a befunge expert 04:02:06 i only recall fizzie's jit because it was discussed in this channel 04:03:05 __s: the mycology website's decent for compliance testing 04:03:15 and it tends to touch on those other issues tangentially as a resut 04:03:18 *result 04:03:22 <__s> Mycology was good for 98 04:03:53 people have mostly abandoned 93 except for fun, it's mostly limited 04:04:02 well, 98 is fun too, but in a different way 04:04:28 <__s> First I want to go as far as I can with 93 04:04:40 * pikhq groans 04:04:46 "AOL working with Jonas Brothers to 'redesign the Internet'" 04:04:57 hmm 04:04:58 i also recall mycology has a 93 part but the interpreter needs to load only the 80 x 25 top part 04:05:04 If this actually happens and takes off, I am beginning a genocide program. 04:05:05 well, interps that do 98 quickly tend to do 93 quickly 04:05:16 <__s> Mycology's 93 test was rather short 04:05:25 cfunge and ccbi are both pretty good 04:05:35 but there isn't so much you can fit into a -93 program, at least in terms of messages 04:05:38 nor so much you can test 04:05:38 <__s> How much is 98 a superset of 93? 04:05:44 almost exactly 04:05:44 __s: Not much. 04:06:00 well, as in 93 programs tend to work unchanged in 98 04:06:07 unless they rely on weird undocumented behaviour 04:06:12 the main difference is the behaviour of whitespace in strings 04:06:13 Which is much of Befunge. 04:06:21 Well. '93. 04:06:24 well, you'd be a fool to /rely/ on it 04:06:49 It's not specified what the memory space is filled with. 04:07:22 in practice, spaces or zeros 04:07:27 but you can always write it by hand to make sure 04:07:34 or just fill the entire 80x25 area in the initial progra 04:07:35 *program 04:08:40 -!- Gracenotes has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:09:02 <__s> With 93 I was thinking of an assembly solution that would work by having all instructions be the same size 04:09:47 <__s> I'm unsure how much it'd raise itself over a threaded interpreter 04:09:57 <__s> It'd be able to gain speed in one direction 04:10:18 * pikhq has finally broken down and gotten a Facebook account... Thing. 04:10:42 Mycology has -93 sup.. oh 04:12:01 <__s> pikhq: Where would I find your threaded Befunge interpreter? 04:12:13 __s: Uh. Lemme pastebin. 04:12:35 I need to get a website. 04:12:39 http://sprunge.us/XdXE 04:14:01 pikhq: You need to get .. 04:14:03 A HACKIKI 04:14:12 pikhq, you're not in the Navy, are you? 04:14:13 <__s> I didn't use rand because it's rather meh 04:14:24 Sgeo: No. 04:14:37 Sgeo: Why would you ask, anyways? 04:14:44 pikhq: HEY I KNOW U 04:14:45 <__s> I like your method of setting up the lookup table 04:14:50 Gregor: ZOMG I KNOW 04:15:17 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:15:36 pikhq, because there's someone with your name on Facebook who's in the Navy 04:16:39 Oh, misremembered your name 04:17:24 And of course right now, as per almost never, my Facebook photo isn't a real picture :P 04:17:27 <__s> Seems mine's faster on my adder benchmark. But of course that's flawed, since that's what I optimized for. What benchmark do you use? 04:17:39 Gregor: amusing, given how many real pictures of you there are around the internet 04:18:14 Sgeo: Josiah Worcester. 04:18:23 Found you via Gregor's page 04:18:40 ais523: Yes, but the Gregor *artist* page does have a real picture. 04:18:57 True. 04:19:02 * Sgeo wonders if he should maybe allow online persons to see tagged pictures of me 04:19:08 What's the worst that could happen? 04:19:10 ais523: http://codu.org/tmp/existentialism.png this is my current FB picture :P 04:20:09 Sgeo: Gah, I ignored the friend request and then realised it was you. 04:20:25 "Have I *ever* met this guy? No." "... Oh, Sgeo. Fuck." 04:21:48 * Sgeo should get around to making a decision on the 80 or so pending friend requests 04:22:18 :P 04:22:38 Hmm 04:22:47 You're less privacy-conscious than I? 04:22:48 <__s> Did you experiment with having x,y be a single value? 04:22:52 * Sgeo can't spell today 04:23:05 Actually, I can: t o d a y 04:23:24 Sgeo: Dude, I practically run around going "I'm Josiah 'pikhq' Worcester, and I live in Colorado" online. 04:23:30 See, like that! 04:23:41 pikhq, how often do you give out your address online? 04:23:44 pikhq: Dood, I'm more exhibitionist than you! 04:23:52 <-- MY NAME 04:23:55 Sgeo: Not that often. 04:24:11 <__s> Somebody stated their address to me one time 04:24:11 Gregor: Yeahyeahyeah. 04:24:17 <__s> I showed up the next day 04:24:24 <__s> They had me out the door within half an hour 04:24:33 __s: I feel that pikhq ought to be responding to you, so I will because I don't really do Befunge :P 04:24:57 __s: Was this just like "My address is if you want to send me a postcard" and then you showed up? 04:25:23 <__s> Was an MSN contact, person stated their address since they were having a party 04:25:26 I don't do esolangs that often, except for PSOX which isn't an esolang 04:25:29 __s: x,y as a single value? No, I didn't really mess with it much. 04:26:07 Although Mixfix will be a beautifully readable language that combines prefix, infix, and postfix, and is just incredibly awesome 04:26:15 As long as you don't mind your brain exploding 04:26:17 <__s> Was curious, since it's one of the more arbitrary choices we diverged on 04:26:56 <__s> Sgeo: Inspired by shuffling yard fun when you don't sanitize input? 04:27:16 shuffling yard? 04:27:44 Inspired by me thinking that "somequestion?" is nice as postfix, but postfix if gives me headaches. And also wondering about doing prefix without parens 04:27:48 <__s> Friend of mine implemented a shuffling yard infix parser, it ended up also accepting postfix 04:28:25 <__s> I'm wishing there was a language that would let infix use space parans 04:28:39 <__s> a+b * c -> (a+b)*c 04:29:04 Doesn't Falcon (hated be the language) do that? 04:29:15 <__s> I'ven't seen this Falcon 04:29:37 * Sgeo may be mistaken 04:29:43 But I'm certain I've seen it somewhere 04:29:51 Maybe some dead language loved by alise 04:30:32 http://www.falconpl.org/ WARNING: NOT SAFE FOR SANITY 04:30:59 Monads are .. somehow hard-coded in 04:31:05 <__s> It makes me feel like it is trying to sell something too much 04:31:09 There's a special bit, I think. I don't really know the details 04:32:43 I could _swear_ I've seen the feature you're asking for before though 04:34:53 Aaand someone running for Congress in the US (as a Republican) wants to *ban masturbation*. 04:35:15 ... And believes her enemies hide in shrubs. 04:35:26 >USA 04:35:32 >Republican congress candidates 04:35:38 Hahahahahahaha, that's funny! 04:35:54 How is it that one of the two major parties here is not merely bad but *ACTUALLY CRAZY*? 04:36:12 They're both crazy. 04:36:17 The democrats are just less crazy. 04:36:37 Oh, see, the Democrats are (mostly) just assholes. 04:36:38 Also, a vast majority of the land in america is covered by white trash. 04:36:47 the USA at least. 04:36:51 The Republicans are *literally crazy*. 04:37:04 And yes, that's true. The vast majority of the *land* is unsettled. 04:37:05 Don't get me wrong, the democrats are too. 04:37:31 The republicans are the bright white that makes the gray of the democrats look like black. 04:37:39 When was the last time a Democrat claimed his enemies were literally hiding in the bushes? 04:38:03 I dunno, I don't pay attention to regional politics all over the country. 04:38:09 I'm not saying "the Republicans are doing some ignorant things". I am saying that they have ceased to have any grip on sanity. 04:38:10 <__s> Falcon seems a lot like Python with Ruby block syntax with the creator's eccentricities all over. I thought they'd gone for Python's going for a print function, then figured the whole > >> syntax 04:38:19 s/sanity/reality/ 04:39:03 "the Republicans" have to sensualize everything to make other republicans vote for them. 04:39:13 White trash isn't smart enough to care about actual politics. 04:39:16 Is it just me, or do the only two near-term options for healthcare both suck? 04:39:36 Leave HCR as is (it's rather broken) or undo everything, going back to previous painful breakage? 04:39:45 HCR is a good start that needs to be fixed 04:39:47 imo 04:40:13 Sgeo: We can't have good healthcare. Industry wouldn't profit. 04:40:20 They should have just built on medicare. 04:43:27 wareya_: That would be sane. 04:43:35 >should 04:43:46 And the few sane and reasonable Congressmen did, in fact, propose that. 04:43:51 It was a 4 page bill. 04:43:56 Yeah. 04:44:04 Too bad out congress is insane. 04:44:07 our* 04:44:11 <__s> pikhq: I don't think US can feasibly get healthcare. They're jealous of us Canadians, but Canada's healthcare is having trouble keeping up with the population finally growing closer to 40M rather than 30M 04:45:19 __s: So, you think it will remain being the only developed nation without universal healthcare? 04:45:48 Presumably this has something to do with $1 trillion being an okay defense budget but heaven forbid a few billion go towards healthcare. 04:46:32 <__s> How well working are other nations' healthcare? It's a messy thing, pushed too much by all that altruism for people who can't prove themselves 04:46:38 If I get sick, how difficult would it be to move to Canada? 04:46:45 SUPPORT YOUR TROOPS 04:46:50 THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR YOUR FREEDOM 04:47:15 <__s> I suppose that defense debt is something to deal with factor wise 04:47:30 __s: Our healthcare system is comparable with some third-world nations. 04:47:43 It is by far the worst of any developed nation. 04:47:57 Most third world nations have better healthcare than america 04:48:20 Except for Expensive Innovative Special procedures 04:48:24 Sgeo: Depends on a few things. 04:48:25 <__s> How much is it held back by legislation not allowing a competitive price to enter the market? 04:48:49 __s: Healthcare is inherently non-competitive in many situations. 04:49:11 (namely, emergency care. Which, incidentally, is the *only form of care many Americans get*.) 04:50:10 Also, most of the "not allowing a competitive price" thing is actually the *insurance companies*. 04:50:12 <__s> That's the problem with US in some ways. 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It is successfully getting to the point where it asks which OS to boot into 16:17:18 SgeoN1: you appear to be cursed 16:17:35 Any chance of downloading a small, bootable OS to my phone? 16:17:50 -!- Flonk has joined. 16:18:17 Phantom_Hoover: As long as you make sure to maintain the delicate verb-noun balance. 16:20:50 I can't very well use a computer to make my phone be bootable usb 16:21:04 SgeoN1, hmm. 16:21:27 What kind of bandwidth and capacity to you have? 16:22:13 -!- SgeoN1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:22:22 -!- SgeoN1 has joined. 16:22:46 Not much capacity, I am on wifi 16:22:57 You have an idea? 16:23:08 Also, no optical drives to boot from? Though I guess actually preparing boot media might be tricky if you don't have one handy. 16:23:09 I guess I can delete some stuff 16:23:26 I have an ancient computer at home 16:23:35 But I want to solve this in class 16:26:09 SgeoN1, well, the Ubuntu live disk is ~700MB, so that's no good. 16:26:14 Getting the phone's USB mess-storage device bootable from the phone itself sounds untrivial, unless someone's already done a tool for that. Though I guess if it just exports a memory card directly you could dd a boot sector in. 16:27:00 Was hoping for DSL 16:27:28 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 16:28:07 But if it does something to make the memory card usable simultaneously from the phone and via USB, it might be that it fakes a device and filesystem over USB, and thusly might not be able to make it bootable. 16:28:39 Gah, awful weather out there, but I need to get home from this conference-place. 16:29:32 It's not simultaneously available 16:29:44 Last I checked 16:30:17 Then it sounds doable. I guess you have a dd on the phone? 16:32:35 fizzie, the weather's lovely here... 16:32:43 It's against the natural order! 16:35:53 Using a classmate's PC 16:36:00 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 16:39:44 SgeoN1, are you on Windows? 16:40:13 Just finished with pendrive's instructions 16:41:08 You need *instructions* for a *flash drive*? 16:43:28 It's not working 16:44:40 What can you possibly need instructions for? 16:45:07 Avoiding erasing my SD card? 16:45:35 And in any case, if you need instructions for a flash drive, you will never get it to work in a BIOS. 16:45:40 Also, what else could I have done from Windows? 16:45:56 -!- augur_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 16:46:46 -!- coppro has joined. 16:46:46 -!- coppro has quit (Changing host). 16:46:46 -!- coppro has joined. 16:48:42 Dear thingie that happens when I try using the installed Ubuntu: stop complaining about the nonMS os 16:49:37 I think a genuine dual-boot setup would have saved me here 16:51:57 SgeoN1, so, what have you learnt today? 16:52:27 Don't drop computers? 16:52:55 Always have bootable media on hand? 16:53:37 Don't use the Windows based Ubuntu installer? 16:53:44 That one. 16:54:54 I think there were times that it was helpful 16:56:31 What's the chance of actual physical damage? 16:56:49 Medium, I should think. 16:58:13 Don't you use Windows since AW doesn't have the decency to run on a nice OS? 16:58:45 Yes, partially 16:58:53 There's a lesson in that, too. 17:00:35 What lesson? 17:02:11 Don't let a single piece of software dictate your decisions to the extent that your computer can be made into a very expensive nightlight with a single drop. 17:02:38 I don't think even Windows can cause physical damage 17:04:00 True. But you haven't even dual-booted properly. 17:04:38 I probably have an Ubuntu LiveCD lying around 17:04:58 And if not, I do have an old.computer with disk burning ability 17:05:52 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 17:07:36 SgeoN1, why the hell did you use the Windows installer in the first place? 17:07:57 Good question 17:08:22 I mean, it installs Ubuntu *in an image file on your Windows filesystem*. 17:08:26 Words fail me. 17:08:59 Phantom_Hoover: That's still better than Slack's old umsdos installation. 17:09:17 Phantom_Hoover: For some values of "better" anyway. 17:09:30 Going off irc to save battery powe 17:10:26 That one installs to bazillion files in a directory on a FAT filesystem, with extra data (long filenames, permissions) in some hidden metadata files. 17:12:57 -!- augur has joined. 17:13:56 -!- nooga has joined. 17:14:43 -!- SgeoN1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:15:37 -!- SgeoN1 has joined. 17:16:52 Given the intensity of rain here, I sure hope this poster tube is waterproof. It has this telescoping extensible design that I find suspicious. 17:21:09 fizzie, is Finland one of those places where the weather is consistently interesting? 17:23:55 -!- SgeoN1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:24:08 It's not proverbially bad, but I guess there's a moderate amount of variation. 17:25:21 This year's summer was uncommonly warm and sunny, but the autumn seems thus far normally wet. 17:26:36 -!- SgeoN2 has joined. 17:27:04 Whoops, this phone is about to run out of freshly squeezed orange juice. Maybe I'll stay quiet for the rest of the bus trip. 17:27:16 Some tech guy put my HD into some external reader thing, and the disk showed up as uninitialized 17:27:40 You hit it so hard the bits fell off. 17:28:20 Is this as terrible a sign as he implied? 17:28:41 It certainly is not a *good* sign. 17:29:47 Still, there are tools to extract files from byte soup even if partition and filesystem structures are gone. 17:30:37 Reading a full disk image out might be a good idea, assuming you have space for one somewhere. 17:33:20 I assume that, given Wubi's idiotic installation system, your NTFS partition was corrupted and your Ubuntu system fell with it. 17:34:06 * Phantom_Hoover → stuff 17:35:25 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 17:38:27 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:45:59 -!- alise has joined. 17:47:18 like an artichoke! 17:47:41 01:37:32 I think they have some sort of automation to catch people who do long-running CPU-intensive tasks. 17:47:44 then what's the point? 17:50:38 18:54:47 Is 'ua' in "actually" a diaeresis? 17:50:48 Why are you all asking about this so much :P 17:51:19 US pronunciation is /ˈæk.tʃu.ə.li/ 17:51:24 unfortunately i don't know what that implies :D 17:51:36 Gregor: give me the syllables of actually 17:51:46