< 1284595264 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck fuck fuck fuck fco fuck fuck fuck fuck < 1284595286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qhat < 1284595335 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have misplaced the wire for connecting the computer and my phone. This is the second time that that has happened. I have no way to charge my phone < 1284595352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1284595393 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will hurtyoi alise < 1284595398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fosjdf < 1284595402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a phone < 1284595494 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cancel that, I have a way to charge it < 1284595504 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No phone to computer connection though < 1284595522 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is killing me, ESP. With this broken comp < 1284595532 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284595640 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SgeoN1: you appear to be cursed < 1284595655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REST MY CASE < 1284595658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until next time < 1284595675 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/6ifoU.jpg what happens when I select Ubuntu < 1284595842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Put a fucking LiveCD in. < 1284595893 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1284595900 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to find one < 1284596002 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1284596018 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is some sort of karmic retribution for meeting a smart, attractive girl < 1284596046 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where it doesn't balance out good v bad < 1284596061 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just, good social v bad computer luck < 1284596226 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where the frack is my mouse? < 1284596372 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foundit < 1284596426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-dispense wine tanks to come to American supermarkets. Wow. America figured out a way to be *less* classy. < 1284596443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://consumerist.com/winetank.jpg Anticlass. < 1284596620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hipsterhitler.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/heilvetica.jpg < 1284596786 0 :SgeoN2!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284596853 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1284597209 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alise, dad said he's going to give me a CD. Any recommendations for what to burn? < 1284597242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, Ubuntu should be fine. < 1284597259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want to download all that... dunno. < 1284597286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu has the advantage of being a good thing to install after you recover any data :P < 1284597299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not the beta, though.) < 1284597311 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u burn tu < 1284597397 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhùnntoū < 1284597413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what < 1284597443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably his romanisation < 1284597449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the ... japisation < 1284597465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1284597524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ウブントゥ < 1284597624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ubuntulinux.jp/ < 1284597625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So boring < 1284597658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone set their browser to Japanese and go to ubuntu.com < 1284597683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is astoundingly unshocking website design for a Japanese site. < 1284597703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Japan has for the most part not grown beyond Geocities.) < 1284597718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Geocities Japan, incidentally, is still around *and* used) < 1284598057 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose 8.10 is a bad idea < 1284598215 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will DSL have tools that I might want or need? < 1284598328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :death squad league < 1284598400 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ultimate boot CD has two things that look useful here < 1284598418 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I could presumably download tthose on anu distrp < 1284598493 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ill try parted magic < 1284598582 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1284598790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to rejoined magic < 1284599925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1284599936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the DoD, protest is considered a form of terrorism. < 1284599991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus it is, in their mind, perfectly legal to torture protesters indefinitely. < 1284600901 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parted Magic came with Chromium < 1284601162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1284601179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN2: use ubuntu. < 1284601185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parted magic is lacking. < 1284601186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1284601187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284601208 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unhelpful < 1284608343 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284608485 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1284609038 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284612866 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1284612871 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1284612871 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt JOIN :#esoteric < 1284616215 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284616558 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1284616739 0 :so!4800d25a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.0.210.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284616776 0 :so!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest69453 < 1284616783 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1284616798 0 :Guest69453!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1284617488 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284617895 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284618115 0 :__s!4800d25a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.0.210.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284618189 0 :__s!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While writing patches for Python, it was made clear that code cache was rather valuable < 1284618215 0 :__s!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This made me think of an interpreter with multiple interpreters, so that instructions used commonly together would remain close together in the code cache < 1284618237 0 :__s!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The overhead is of course rather silly, so I didn't go about trying to work it into CPython < 1284618320 0 :__s!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it struck me that that thinking works in the case of Befunge. Quadrupled the size of the interpreter for up to a third improvement in speed. That was coupled today with shifting implementation dimensions to 80x32, which was of similar benefit < 1284618350 0 :__s!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the latter didn't cause such bloat size wise < 1284618370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1284618620 0 :__s!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1284619343 0 :SgeoN2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1284619359 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: 148-key MEGABOARD: http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/images/enhpc.gif <-- nice, just layout? or actually built? < 1284619383 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah probably not built < 1284620154 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1284621145 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1284622669 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that is a real keyboard < 1284622678 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1284622691 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm pretty sure there is a real keyboard with ctrl + hyper + super < 1284622691 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Space-cadet.jpg < 1284622699 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one < 1284622708 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome keyboard, really. < 1284622711 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh crap maybe it's not the real thing < 1284622719 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just press the HYPER key until it broke < 1284622720 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something ugh < 1284622730 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Press it until I get to the bonus round < 1284622749 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not exactly that keyboard < 1284622751 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But pretty close < 1284622758 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both LISP machines keyboards < 1284622817 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh crap that picture has three control keys < 1284622825 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The previous keyboard illustration showed a basic set of keys that could fit on a normal PC keyboard, taking the same amount of space, even though moving the main area of the keyboard slightly to the right created space for a few additional keys. The emphasis was on showing how APL characters could be distributed." < 1284622830 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/kybint.htm < 1284623445 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284623999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1284624000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1284625217 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1284625238 0 :relet!~hirtho@159.162.68.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284625244 0 :relet!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1284625538 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1284625721 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/Fungi < 1284625764 0 :augur!~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284626270 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You did notice the writer of that was here last night, right? < 1284626314 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-243-35.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1284627606 0 :trinithis!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: still here, but its now night for me, so im going to sleep < 1284628112 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284628627 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1284628885 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1284628885 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1284628885 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1284631228 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1284632631 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1284633633 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1284635377 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trinithis: Main.hs needs to export main for the thing to build < 1284636283 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284639680 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1284640092 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1284640446 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-243-35.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1284641467 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284641501 0 :nooga!~nooga@81.219.195.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284642991 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1284643410 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284643603 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1284647834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Space-cadet.jpg <-- that is a different one < 1284647886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://hackage.haskell.org/package/Fungi <-- does it pass mycology? < 1284647935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any updates on jitfunge btw? < 1284649124 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-2-159.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284649431 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it does < 1284649435 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, I didn't < 1284649696 0 :CPressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284649730 0 :CPressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You never did say if you wanted to use that awesome language name I gave you. < 1284649924 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1284650150 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPressey: I don't think I noticed < 1284650155 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it? < 1284650190 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back to sorting laundry
< 1284650202 0 :CPressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jonguilexiphonaugh", if I recall correctly. For your hash-consing Haskell-esque language. < 1284650205 0 :CPressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ^ < 1284650232 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I do like that name! < 1284650498 0 :CPressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please use it only for good. < 1284650577 0 :CPressey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1284651042 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I got home so ridiculously early I'd best get kraken on implementing this thing < 1284651393 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.246.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284651452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:37:49 i believe that is a real keyboard < 1284651456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just an amalgamation of all of them < 1284651524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you still haven't answered MY question < 1284652002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Children Under Four and Children With Autism Don't Yawn Contagiously" < 1284652006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, that means i'm not autistic < 1284652075 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1284652150 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ai-contest.com/problem_description.php < 1284652152 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new mission < 1284652355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Children Under Four and Children With Autism Don't Yawn Contagiously" <-- does that mean they don't yawn when others do, or that they don't cause others to yawn? :D < 1284652368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :former :P < 1284652378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I saw that too. Press releases are always overstating findings. So I looked at the paper. < 1284652378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autistic yawners: 0 out of 15 < 1284652378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Controls (various groups): between 23 and 43% < 1284652378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooo... for once the press release was conservative? Weird. < 1284652380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1284652381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--reddit < 1284652384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\n"/"/ < 1284652439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. < 1284652444 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of a test group is that < 1284652446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15? < 1284652457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There isn't exactly an abundance of autistic children. < 1284652471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose parents will let them participate in experiments. < 1284652471 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine fine, but 0 is probably within statistical error of 3. < 1284652483 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 3 is 23% (round down) < 1284652487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8624.2010.01495.x/abstract;jsessionid=6AC173A7C7EF450ADD604C9A39DFEA9D.d01t01 < 1284652488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read it < 1284652493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the quote was a misquote < 1284652495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or justified elsewhere) < 1284652496 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :READ YOUR FACE < 1284652504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English National Provision does not have a subscription to this Journal or Article. Please contact your librarian for details. < 1284652504 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got other stuff to do :P < 1284652510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did he read the paper fucking piece of < 1284652519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit fucker < 1284652549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: he's probably a part of the conspiracy with secret privileges < 1284652559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuuuck that shit < 1284652564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.srcd.org/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=899 < 1284652564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YW < 1284652565 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet I have access through Purdue! < 1284652574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have access < 1284652575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA < 1284652576 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no results ... < 1284652578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ $// < 1284652579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA < 1284652581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOSER < 1284652582 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet I don't have access through Purdue! < 1284652584 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION felt like yawning when he read that headline
< 1284652589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REJECT YOUR BET < 1284652595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You're not autistic! Or under 4! < 1284652601 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *Conspiracy < 1284652604 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not boring; i'm just very yawn-contagious, and kind of tired) < 1284652619 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently not autistic, yes < 1284652622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm yawning now < 1284652627 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under 4, i'm not so sure < 1284652640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Clapping is an arousing activity, and increased arousal is < 1284652640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :associated with diminished yawning (Provine, 2005)." < 1284652645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[claps in front of children] < 1284652649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Society gasps] < 1284652675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the double-spacing < 1284652681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feels like pain < 1284652682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our university proxy gets that wiley.com PDF, at least. < 1284652717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it like a literal HTTP proxy? < 1284652761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very literal. no ability for metaphor at all. < 1284652768 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a DNS hack; you just write ".libproxy.tkk.fi" after any hostname, log in on the login page, and it proxies stuff and rewrites links to include the added domain too. < 1284652786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet. < 1284652795 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Purdue's proxy isn't anywhere near as pretty. < 1284652810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1284652811 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a literal HTTP proxy too, but that needs a SSH pipe, so it's not so comfortable for one-shot "I want this article" spur-of-the-monent sort of things. < 1284652914 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I don't have access because Purdue doesn't have a medical school X-P < 1284652938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So is it based on libproxy.so HUR HUR < 1284652941 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't exactly have a medical school either, though there's some related fields. < 1284652955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean literal as opposed to its own web interface where you kludge in a URL and it spits out a cached version of the paper. < 1284652961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or downloads one.) < 1284652982 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. Then they're both literal. But the latter way is just the usual Squid, available from inside the campus network. < 1284653007 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually "any hostname" up there is a bit of a simplification; I think they return an error page for any domains not on the list of places they actually have some sort of licensing dealie with. < 1284653032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably not SO literal, if it bypasses login pages. < 1284653035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1284653036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SO usual, < 1284653051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: slashdot.org.libproxy.tkk.fi < 1284653061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, they use Shibboleth < 1284653077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "bypass login pages" is, I think, a property of the other end's IP-based authentications. < 1284653131 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What wacky antics are you lovable nerds up to now? < 1284653140 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, http://slashdot.org.libproxy.tkk.fi/ redirects (at least if you've logged in) into a "Remote Access Menu - Aalto University Library, Otaniemi" and a list of 137 websites, presumably places where using the proxy will actually achieve something. < 1284653161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. But what about Ann. /..? < 1284653181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The premier journal on the topic of wasting time nerdily. < 1284653229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to get at academic papers that you haven't paid to see? < 1284653244 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A noble cause, indeed. < 1284653273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is paying for it with his taxes :P < 1284653280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got it elsewhere. < 1284653303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The Wiley pdf is a bit more nicely formatted, but content-wise it seems very much the same. Also, the topic made me yawn. < 1284653349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so BORING. < 1284653469 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This list of places to remotely access is interesting, though; I don't think I've ever actually looked at it. < 1284653506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxxhothotbarelyleganteenresearchmathematics.org < 1284653510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*legal < 1284653580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, I missed my chance to throw condoms at the pope. < 1284653653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least each second that goes by takes him a little further away from me. < 1284653667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win some, you lose some? < 1284653693 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: of course I haven't! < 1284653726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: PAH < 1284653736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there's still time for Operation Hatheist! < 1284653754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well < 1284653761 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out I know very little about implementing haskell-esque languages < 1284653826 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/simonpj/papers/slpj-book-1987/ < 1284653844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Haskelloid. < 1284653845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no i haven't read it myself, but apparently it's a classic) < 1284653875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's spj, doesn't it become a classic by default? < 1284653881 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1284653920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Implementation of Functional Programming Languages. Prentice-Hall, 1987. ISBN 0-13-453333-X < 1284653920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing Functional Languages, with David Lester. Prentice-Hall, 1992. ISBN 0-13-721952-0 < 1284653921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/simonpj/papers/pj-lester-book/ < 1284653927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This book gives a practical approach to understanding implementations of non-strict functional languages using lazy graph reduction. The book is intended to be a source of practical labwork material, to help make functional-language implementations `come alive', by helping the reader to develop, modify and experiment with some non-trivial compilers. < 1284653928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unusual aspect of the book is that it is meant to be executed as well as read. Rather than merely presenting an abstract description of each implementation technique, we present the code for a complete working prototype of each major method, and then work through a series of improvements to it. All of the code is available in machine-readable form. < 1284653930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like good reading too < 1284653931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also spj < 1284653938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Simon_Peyton_Jones_01.jpg SP FUCKING J < 1284653944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He stares into your soul. < 1284653952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAH < 1284653960 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I've seen him before... < 1284653962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEEL HOW HE BLURS HIS REALITY < 1284653967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONLY THE WINDOW CAN SAVE YOU < 1284653969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND HE CONTROLS IT < 1284653975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HE FEEDS UPON YOU, MORTAL... < 1284653976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY GOD HE LOOKS LIKE DOCTOR WHO BUT A LITTLE BIT OLDER < 1284653980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...AND HE TAKES YOUR LIFE AWAY < 1284653995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Eleventh_Doctor.jpg → http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Simon_Peyton_Jones_01.jpg < 1284653999 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps this is what Gaiman has planned? < 1284654011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spj would make a good doctor < 1284654020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very lazy < 1284654024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though < 1284654029 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL GAIMAN WRITES HIM INTO IT/ < 1284654073 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if doctor who actually existed, it would be like him take a break and just be SPJ for a few decades < 1284654108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to take < 1284654121 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional programming and time-travel do have many things in common, with all the non-temporal thinking involved < 1284654121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, not under Tennant < 1284654139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THE VERY FACT THAT I CANNOT SAVE EVERYONE EVER KILLS ME PSYCHOLOGICALLY ;___; OH GOD I AM SO AWFUL BECAUSE I SAVE THE UNIVERSE ON A REGULAR BASIS" < 1284654143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I MUST BE STRONG :|" < 1284654145 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, I thought I had that word in there, must've missed it < 1284654158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you could get rid of the who and insert the to < 1284654158 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTD was just irritatingly soppy... < 1284654161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect sentence < 1284654166 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I only corrected my self in thought < 1284654173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then Moffat turned crap on us. < 1284654180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jv < 1284654181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1284654183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1284654187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i've seen like three moffat episodes < 1284654190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and heard about the rest < 1284654196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is exactly what happens when a fanboy get si < 1284654200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gets in charge :P < 1284654214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proliferation of canon! complete rethinking of EEEVERYTHIIING! < 1284654243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. < 1284654245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, [insert ludicrous love interest] < 1284654266 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iiuc, the doctor who series never bothered with canon or continuity in general < 1284654276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well yes but the fans take care of that ... < 1284654285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and by proliferation of canon i just mean < 1284654289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insufficient mythos! < 1284654294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKE MORE THINGS < 1284654297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so inserting canon into a series that has none? :D < 1284654356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, he did write good episodes, just not good story arcs. < 1284654382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, not under Tennant < 1284654385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant davies < 1284654386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1284654389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tennant was wonderful < 1284654421 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can't bear to watch anything past davison. sorry.
< 1284654425 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes back under his rock
< 1284654455 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Davison sucked at writing but was all right at story arcs. Moffat is kind of the opposite. < 1284654478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure he didn't mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Doctor < 1284654500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i know he didn't do any writing... < 1284654503 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you might want to consider cpressey's age when making inferences < 1284654511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea who Phantom_Hoover thinks davison is < 1284654518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: we don't /actually know/ your age, though < 1284654520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284654541 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Davison, Davies, SAME DAMN FIRST SYLLABLE < 1284654557 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned be the first syllable < 1284654561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing anyone can agree about doctor who is that the theme music rocks < 1284654563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not the latest one < 1284654569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't need to turn techno < 1284654659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nothing can be agreed upon? < 1284654666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the music itself < 1284654669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the specific arrangement < 1284654683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whomix.windbubbles.net/ < 1284654761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://whomix.windbubbles.net/remixes) < 1284654795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: he's either nearly 4 or nearly 40, recent evidence is ambiguous on this point < 1284654806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the 0 was a typo < 1284654820 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need RECOMMENDATIONS < 1284654841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: buy low! sell high! < 1284654855 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: never eat yellow snow < 1284654864 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His first language was '93, so that helps date him. < 1284654893 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: #esoteric is not a dating site! < 1284654898 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was for his BBS, so he must have been in his late teens at the very least. < 1284654901 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think these are more like 'advice' than 'recommendations' though < 1284654905 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not even radiocarbon? < 1284654924 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You'd need an ELABORATE PLAN for getting the sample in that case. < 1284654938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whomix is so cool < 1284654944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh. < 1284654944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION points the Device at cpressey.
< 1284654946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : His first language was '93, so that helps date him. < 1284654950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his first /popular esolang/ < 1284654957 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, per his lingography. < 1284654959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And it was for his BBS, so he must have been in his late teens at the very least. < 1284654961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it was /his/ BBS? < 1284654963 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gyaah, dammit. < 1284654995 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he says "my BBS", which pronouns to "his BBS". < 1284655023 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go verbing again < 1284655037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my country", I don't own England < 1284655058 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that still makes it "his country" when talking about alise in the third person < 1284655073 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to make matters worse I actually had two BBSes. not at the same time though. < 1284655105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, damn it how old are you? < 1284655119 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: true, but. < 1284655127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 47 < 1284655128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd estimate < 1284655166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Correct me, dammit! < 1284655168 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: teenager in 1993 should suffice for any estimate < 1284655194 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, "Davison" refers to the 5th doctor, yes. < 1284655202 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'd be at most 13 years older than me < 1284655266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -13 years older than oerjan < 1284655305 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, how old is oerjan then? < 1284655326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves his cane at olsner
< 1284655340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :574 < 1284655343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YKGOML < 1284655360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTY-SOMETHING < 1284655371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cpressey is between 30 and 36 < 1284655376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely on the side of 36 < 1284655383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i am behind him right now with a knife < 1284655399 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be impressive < 1284655415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how far behind < 1284655440 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, well, i *am* facing wsw < 1284655440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean _technically_ if you're currently facing westward... < 1284655454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1284655491 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I am behind you, sans knife. < 1284655546 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm behind you, you can have my spare knife if you want < 1284655553 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a swivelly chair. I could just spin and in the space of a few seconds everyone on this channel will have been behind me at some time today. < 1284655601 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my earbud cord, plugged into my desktop, would strangle me < 1284655609 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1284655615 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to unit tests! < 1284655620 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely, lovely unit tests < 1284655622 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't allow that! our knives are useless if you're already dead! < 1284655759 0 :quintipod!~quintopia@lawn-128-61-30-148.lawn.gatech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1284655760 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you're forgetting the antipodes! < 1284655781 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohai < 1284655784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you just need to lay down a bit < 1284655789 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lie < 1284655827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod: hello < 1284655829 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man I didn't know an esoteric PL chan existed. Just randomly found it... < 1284655847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod, welcome to the legion on the dam! < 1284655857 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. I'm quintopia on the esolang wiki if that rings anyone's bell < 1284655937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod: wait you never read the Community page before? ;D < 1284655941 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recognize oerjan < 1284655949 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No not really < 1284655970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod, everyone recognises oerjan! < 1284655975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's so lovable! < 1284655982 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly just surf the recent changes page < 1284655984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on a mustache and goggles
< 1284655987 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is a very recognizable shape. < 1284655988 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO YOU DON'T < 1284655989 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how I found this channel < 1284656013 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know I found it *twice* though, and managed to completely forget about it in between < 1284656020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod: well me too < 1284656022 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it in the channel list searching for the kubuntu netbook channel whose name i can't remember < 1284656040 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it via the mailing list, as did I guess some others. < 1284656080 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mailing list? That at all interesting? < 1284656109 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's muchos dead now. < 1284656131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that was on (at least) sange.fi, or whatever. < 1284656165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in '02, it was all the rage < 1284656213 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Darths & Droids is really drifting from the SW canon. < 1284656216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Flash Player to support 64-bit for all major desktop operating systems including Linux" < 1284656220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fina-fucking- < 1284656236 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "is drifting"? you seem to think it was ever close... < 1284656252 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's drifting MORE AWESOMELY < 1284656258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ON PAGE #0 IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH EVEN THE EXTENDED UNIVERSE < 1284656270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(NOTE: THE EXTENDED UNIVERSE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH MOST THINGS, INCLUDING PHYSICS, LOGIC AND THE EXTENDED UNIVERSE) < 1284656281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the lack of Jar-Jar saddens me. < 1284656291 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: is that announced before or after they completely dropped 64-bit support+ < 1284656303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i hope after, or reddit is going to be stabbed < 1284656307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: btw the valorum link was predicted before on the forums. although the comic _did_ leave some huge hints back then < 1284656314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2010/09/flash-player-square.html < 1284656315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after < 1284656317 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it? < 1284656318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1284656324 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want EVIDENCE < 1284656326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And SCIENCE! < 1284656346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: just look carefully at valorum's deranged speech in the senate, his obsession with cyborgs in particular < 1284656364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there was that... < 1284656391 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god what is the original trilogy going to be like. < 1284656418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Comic Irregulars are clearly evil masterminds trying to take over the world! < 1284656436 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using comic sans? < 1284656437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1284656451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er that was not to quintipod < 1284656465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is blessed with the inability to notice fonts
< 1284656475 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod: as you can see we talk about nothing except esolangs here < 1284656477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : My god what is the original trilogy going to be like. ;; maybe it'll diverge completely < 1284656480 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well without trying, anyway < 1284656482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: i don't follow the comic) < 1284656489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Mezzacotta is obviously their evil supercomputer! < 1284656493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: YOUR LOSS < 1284656498 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all about an elaborate esolang based on a star wars comic < 1284656499 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when in doubt, use Comic Sans < 1284656502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, YOU HAVE NO TASTE < 1284656516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Phantom_Hoover: well i am just starting to read it right now :P < 1284656518 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a blessing indeed oerjan. They are heart-piercingly many occurrences of papyrus everywhere these days < 1284656527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*There < 1284656530 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the baking system trains it to overthrow its human masters. < 1284656533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, fucking Egyptians. < 1284656538 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE HAVE BEEN FEEDING IT < 1284656557 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, if I tell you who invented Papyrus, will you murder him painfully? < 1284656564 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cpressey: s/nothing/everything/ < 1284656565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Force is an energy field—" "Energy? But energy is force times distance." "And 'power of the force' would be distance times the derivative with respect to time." < 1284656566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/groan < 1284656574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Probably. Even Comic Sans MS has justificationl. < 1284656577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*justification. < 1284656635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Papyrus is one of those novelty fonts that irritating, tasteless fools with pretensions towards graphic design keep on using because they think it makes them stand out. < 1284656643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not really the designer's fault. < 1284656661 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen exactly one good use of it in a logo < 1284656663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007 < 1284656670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Comic Sans/Papyrus/ < 1284656734 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic Sans is unforgivable, I'm afraid. < 1284656765 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think it can be forgiven when used /in comics/ < 1284656766 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Papyrus was just like all of the other things intended harmless wihc went horribly wrong. < 1284656773 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod, NEVEr < 1284656783 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only really funny ones < 1284656784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the baking system is rather broken because the hall of fame has a quorum threshold that is much higher than the number of people actually voting < 1284656787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic Sans is the Cardinal Sin of typography. < 1284656794 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't so initially of course < 1284656807 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1284656809 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1284656812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although occasionally a batch still trickle through < 1284656833 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I want a shirt that says that. In comic sans? < 1284656857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod, then find someone who makes shirts! < 1284656877 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would making it in comic sans be too ironic to be ironic? < 1284656885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Comic Sans is the Cardinal Sin of typography. < 1284656885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh < 1284656890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be stupidly obvious irony. < 1284656891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in comicy stuff it's ok < 1284656893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not very good < 1284656908 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I twitch when I think of it now... < 1284656910 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about in papyrus? < 1284656918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1284656918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, any nice monospace fonts yet? < 1284656924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod, better. < 1284656930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Erm... Luxi Mono is nice. Emacs renders it badly (too bold). < 1284656934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, freetype. < 1284656938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs may be partially culpable. < 1284656949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monaco on Linux lacks bold, damn fondu. Otherwise it's nice. < 1284656954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be a different file, actually. One I don't have. < 1284656968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Droid Sans Mono is... very close to DejaVu. < 1284656982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So is Menlo, barely-modified from Bitstream, which DejaVu extends.) < 1284657000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/images/dejavu-menlo-colors.png How they differ. < 1284657026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Myself, well... < 1284657026 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do Droid Sans Mono on the phone, even though it's not a Droid. < 1284657028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(custom-set-faces < 1284657028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : '(default ((t (:family "DejaVu Sans Mono" :height 105))))) < 1284657028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(setq-default line-spacing 0.125) < 1284657041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Droid * are just Android < 1284657047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the Droid that co-opted the name for its phone model < 1284657049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not Android either. < 1284657056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Droid is a font family created by Ascender Corporation for use by the Open Handset Alliance platform Android[1] and licensed under the Apache license. The fonts are intended for use on the small screens of mobile handsets and were designed by Steve Matteson of Ascender Corporation. The name was derived from the Open Handset Alliance platform name Android. < 1284657069 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The phone, I mean; the fonts of course are.) < 1284657071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Many Linux users use Droid Sans as an OS font. < 1284657080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially Ubuntuers. < 1284657085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heads up on efunge: to make it compile with last version of erlang (released yesterday) an unintended side effect is that the trunk and supervisor-tree heads no longer compiles on older versions. < 1284657102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or perhaps Menlo is based on DejaVu. < 1284657108 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Ubuntuers are not the brightest bunch, by and large. < 1284657109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... < 1284657115 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I get it? < 1284657122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I just broke this program for everybody who hasn't manually installed Erlang (or perhaps uses Arch or Gentoo) since yesterday." < 1284657126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I would've thought it had some sort of inherent phoneyness designed by science of bubbly liquids, so that it only works properly in a mobile device. < 1284657134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, my fault for using a somewhat experimental feature that changed syntax slightly < 1284657137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. But no! < 1284657144 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway arch doesn't have the new version yet < 1284657146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Still :P < 1284657156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, indeed. There are some very bright Ubuntuers, though. < 1284657160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to think I'm among them. < 1284657164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Droid Sans /is/ nice as an OS font. < 1284657175 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also like to think the same. < 1284657176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't have any preference for it over DejaVu, so I stick with the default. < 1284657184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ubuntuers too, though. < 1284657206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and um, it stopped working for me. As I upgraded. I was aware of this issue due to testing beta version before. Didn't change the code then of course. < 1284657219 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So alise is the resident wording corrector. Got it < 1284657227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1284657240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod: I corrected my own lines there. < 1284657256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to be a bit anal about that. I don't like myself for doing it. < 1284657292 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Your setence made since with or without the too, so it seemed rather anal to want to add it in < 1284657317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ubuntuers are not the brightest bunch [...]." "There are some very bright Ubuntuers, though." < 1284657328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there not a better noun for a Ubuntu user, though? Ubuntists? Ubuntites? Ubunopods? Ubuttantes? < 1284657329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to flow a bit better with the "too". < 1284657348 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1284657348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod: Would saying "*Well, your" right now be hilariously ironic or just irritating? < 1284657353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ubuntodes < 1284657355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntopodes < 1284657360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ubuntupodes < 1284657370 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, i'd lol < 1284657379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: *Well, your *I'd < 1284657395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically I don't care about not using capitalisation since I omit it regularly. :P < 1284657402 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod: _everyone_ here is a resident wording corrector < 1284657405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But officially I have to correct. < 1284657409 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I omit capitalization intentionally < 1284657415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: Was "Your" intentional? < 1284657419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, oerjan is the resident punner. < 1284657421 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And punctuation where its unambiguous < 1284657422 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i AM capitalization < 1284657424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody else may pun. Unless it's actually god. < 1284657425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*good. < 1284657428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case, it is permissable. < 1284657434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has a state-sanctioned monopoly on bad puns. < 1284657439 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: wait, what < 1284657446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what? < 1284657446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats alise -----###
< 1284657448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1284657472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is that thing again? < 1284657481 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: also please stop calling me Quadrescence < 1284657495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. Now I've pinged the beast... < 1284657505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1284657507 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.246.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284657508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- oops < 1284657513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- I was being oh so careful, too. < 1284657524 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not < 1284657552 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you forgot to correct my "since" to "sense" above < 1284657559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sense < 1284657562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I didn't. < 1284657563 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thx < 1284657567 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, just switch XChat's completion settings. < 1284657575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THX sound systems < 1284657577 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much nicer with last-spoke. < 1284657588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Good idea. < 1284657604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll also set up a word-replace of he-who-cannot-be-named to quintipod, on the assumption that the latter will hopefully be around more than the former. < 1284657610 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a fly swatter < 1284657614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, naw. < 1284657616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod: I think I've even corrected logs I was reading, too. < 1284657627 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what's wrong with Q**dr*sc*nc*? < 1284657633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Log-reading is a favourite past-time of the hopelessly destroyed here: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D) < 1284657641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pick one. Preferably a big one. You may wish to order by size.) < 1284657659 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big ones have more in them < 1284657676 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they are tl;dr < 1284657785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod: you'd be surprised how quick the time goes < 1284657805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i should plot the size of the logs, that'd be interesting, to see what distribution it follows < 1284657809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plot them after sorting, that is < 1284657846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((Time for newbie bot demonstrations)!:aS):^ < 1284657847 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((Time for newbie bot demonstrations)!:aS) < 1284657848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, btw, wrt efunge, I don't see the problem since it had not yet had a stable release. Though trunk could I think. < 1284657851 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1284657857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-05-28: the day of bf joust < 1284657866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod: < 1284657868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1284657868 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1284657873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((Time for newbie bot demonstrations)!S(:^)aS):^ < 1284657873 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Time for newbie bot demonstrations)!S(:^)aS(:^) < 1284657874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Tell us about how you're written in Befunge-98. < 1284657874 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: enter fluellen and gower. < 1284657877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1284657878 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss* wp youtube < 1284657879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1284657879 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1284657881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Tell us about how you're written in Befunge-98. < 1284657881 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: by fnord, which guarantees practically infinite energy for free < 1284657889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintipod: http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 is the code. < 1284657890 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so, let's say i call the time spent in those discussions. having been involved in a large program? < 1284657893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : plot them after sorting, that is <-- sorting by date or sorting by size? < 1284657895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm just not doing this right < 1284657906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's generating those lines from a Markov chain-type dealie. In Befunge. < 1284657907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: size < 1284657911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to look at the curve < 1284657942 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1284657944 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((Time for newbie bot demonstrations)!a(:^)*S):^ < 1284657945 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((Time for newbie bot demonstrations)!a(:^)*S):^ < 1284657953 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah. the other could be interesting too. If you use an averaging function with a window you could use it to find the activity over the year < 1284657954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1284657958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed < 1284657972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or over years I guess < 1284657994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i did unicode-plot (with the block characters) various lengths (it squishes the data by calculating the mean of successive values) of charts of sizes < 1284657995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over time < 1284657998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it basically just got bigger < 1284658006 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284658008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically activity has never dropped significantly in our history < 1284658017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lament has been saying we're dying at every point in that climb :) < 1284658041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I seem to remember that there is some seasonal variation though < 1284658049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as weekday variation < 1284658051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl phone < 1284658091 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fear the bible phone < 1284658168 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/test8.png -- I think this was some sort of a long-term activity plot, though it doesn't got any axis labels in it. And it's outdated now. I'll see if I can manage to get some new plots going. < 1284658196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the zero-activity periods are times when I've been elsewhere; these are from my personal logs, not clog logs.) < 1284658220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a css-selector thing combined with grep/awk on the commandline < 1284658220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1284658233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ scrape http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=S;O=D 'td[align=right]' < 1284658236 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1284658236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'd spit out all the sizes < 1284658244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't need the grep/awk thing i guess that can be a separate element of the pipe < 1284658282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=S;O=D | sed 's!.*\(.*\)!\1!' < 1284658284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the heck doesn't this work? < 1284658289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great < 1284658291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all one one line < 1284658322 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall add this thing to autojoin when I bother to log in from an actual computer. Right now, it's definitely naptiem. < 1284658335 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Busy busy busy < 1284658390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1284658579 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1284659200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Deprecated since version 2.7: The optparse module is deprecated and will not be developed further; development will continue with the argparse module." < 1284659201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x_x < 1284659214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that shit, I'm on 2.6. < 1284659248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, wait, I don't even want it. < 1284659344 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: and optparse was (iirc) introduced in 2.6 deprecating the one they had in 2.5 < 1284659411 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like they got it right first, or at least wrong only once... noooo no, thinking and python obviously don't go that well together < 1284659523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optparse is 2.3 < 1284659797 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284659800 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the Pope, the UK is a 3rd world country! < 1284659802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! < 1284659821 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that means we're neither in NATO nor the Warsaw pact. < 1284660052 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to punch these people so hard right now. < 1284660493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the university proxy for databases is slow today... < 1284660500 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes ages to load anything from ACM < 1284660524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's a broader point here. Why the big push for black holes by liberals, and big protests against any objection to them? If it turned out empirically that promoting black holes tends to cause people to read the Bible less, would you still push this so much?" — Andrew Schlafly, teacher of children. < 1284660546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1284660612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that is so much nonsense that I can't even figure out what he is arguing for. < 1284660629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, black holes are a LIE-BERAL CONSPIRACY < 1284660633 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS IS RELATIVITY < 1284660642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, who is he talking to then < 1284660647 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invented by a damn German, as we all know! < 1284660660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, some moderately sane person, presumably. < 1284660665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284660672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is telling him that he's a complete idiot. < 1284660685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he is < 1284660759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrape(1) is now functioning quite well! < 1284660770 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what does it do? < 1284660773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ scrape 'http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=S;O=D' -text 'td[align=right]:nth-child(even)' < 1284660779 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scrapes things! < 1284660789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Selects elements from webpages and outputs them in various forms, using either CSS selectors or XPath. < 1284660829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Various switches control the behaviour of the next selector: -content elides the opening and closing tags of your selection, -text flattens it into a markupless text format, and -xpath interprets the next selector as XPath, not CSS. < 1284660837 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1284660839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284660847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, xpath is quite "eugh" IMO < 1284660856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why css is the default :) < 1284660856 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XPATH RAWKS < 1284660859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hah < 1284660888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail -n +1 doesn't work... < 1284660893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am i forgetting... < 1284660895 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@188-22-126-177.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1284660902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, +1? < 1284660908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1284660908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why the + there < 1284660909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"drop first line" < 1284660910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If the first character of N (the number of bytes or lines) is a `+', < 1284660910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : print beginning with the Nth item from the start of each file, other‐ < 1284660910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wise, print the last N items in the file. N may have a multiplier suf‐ < 1284660910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fix: b 512, kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1000*1000, M 1024*1024, GB < 1284660910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1000*1000*1000, G 1024*1024*1024, and so on for T, P, E, Z, Y. < 1284660911 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1284660913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1284660916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did that! < 1284660923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1284660926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it has to be +2 < 1284660926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1284660944 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why does it have to be +2 ? < 1284660953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[sed 's/K/*1024/']] < 1284660962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to start with line 2 < 1284660964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. drop the first line < 1284660975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is /another/ evenly-numbered right-aligned td in this case) < 1284660987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, [[sed 's/K/*1024/']] <-- ? < 1284660993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for parsing filenames :) < 1284660998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1284660999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1284661000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :filesizes < 1284661006 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um okay < 1284661010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what :) < 1284661017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has byte ones like < 1284661017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :86 < 1284661019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and k ones like < 1284661020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :108K < 1284661024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1284661025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm trying to plot them, so... < 1284661031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which commands give you that < 1284661038 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh website? < 1284661043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1284661112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1126.4 < 1284661113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1284661118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did decimals get in there < 1284661125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, in the source or? < 1284661133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1284661134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1.8K" < 1284661142 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is of course rounded < 1284661149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, just du -b the files locally < 1284661154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.8*1024 -> 1843.2 < 1284661156 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for more exact measurement < 1284661157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well that's the OBVIOUS thing < 1284661163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is an excuse to write scrape < 1284661166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah touche just thought of that < 1284661169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'll go do that < 1284661169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1284661173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, no, not du < 1284661178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :du takes filesystem shit into account < 1284661180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wc -c beyotch < 1284661184 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not du -b < 1284661187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1284661190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, -b is probably GNU < 1284661192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wc is nice < 1284661201 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah -b is gnu < 1284661230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head -n -1 is useful too < 1284661231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1284661232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to drop last line < 1284661235 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1284661236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. total line of wc < 1284661256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you could plot on number of lines per day as well. And probably average length for each day < 1284661265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have our average lengths gotten shorter or longer? < 1284661270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or stayed pretty much the same? < 1284661273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :longer obviously < 1284661276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i plotted a compressed graph < 1284661278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it just goes up and up < 1284661284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with only 8 graph characters admittedly < 1284661287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/)/ < 1284661289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that could be due to more lines < 1284661291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think there were one or two very slight drops < 1284661292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than longer lines < 1284661295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1284661300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, i doubt it though < 1284661300 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we just keep talking and talking < 1284661306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, and that too < 1284661307 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really saying anything < 1284661310 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284661317 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just talking < 1284661318 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know < 1284661320 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking < 1284661322 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1284661323 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi! < 1284661332 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what about seasonal variation? < 1284661394 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I recommend seasonal variation. < 1284661399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hey how do you plot a list of numbers from stdin with gnuplot again :D < 1284661410 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, in what? < 1284661423 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in unchanging things. < 1284661431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I ask fizzie :P < 1284661451 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, like c? < 1284661455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, besides in my case I had it in a file, and just loaded that < 1284661472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what did you do? I'll just replace it with /dev/stdin < 1284661473 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that was one of the predictions of the æther theory, so... < 1284661484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that had multiple time series and such though < 1284661490 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes. seasonal variation in the error messages produced by its compilers. yes. i'd advocate that < 1284661493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, let me dig it up < 1284661525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: SON OF UNBABTIZED < 1284661530 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plot 'data-avg.txt' using 1:2 title "Real", 'data-avg.txt' using 1:3 title "User", 'data-avg.txt' using 1:4 title "Sys" < 1284661531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^ < 1284661544 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: <3 Gerson < 1284661552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a special datafile "-" which means "data follows this plot command", if you want to pipe both the plotting command and data to gnuplot using the same pipe. < 1284661567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, plus some stuff before like "set title" and "set style" < 1284661577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and set output < 1284661578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you end with a line that starts with "e"; it's pretty arbitrary. < 1284661582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and um set term < 1284661611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plot "sizes" plots it as a scatter < 1284661614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not terribly helpful < 1284661620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set style data linespoints < 1284661621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^ < 1284661626 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, try to run that before < 1284661636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can stick the style in the plot command, too: "with linespoints". < 1284661640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hideously ugly, how can i get a single joined line? < 1284661641 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that yes < 1284661646 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just "lines", then. < 1284661656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so raggedy :( < 1284661658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wut < 1284661661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one that shoots right up < 1284661661 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah with that many datapoints it won't look good. < 1284661663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have them sort- < 1284661664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh of cours < 1284661665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1284661668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have them sorted :) < 1284661676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1284661676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can it automatically average a bit? < 1284661685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for a single x value yes < 1284661688 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can do spline smoothing if you want. < 1284661694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too? < 1284661702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it is now more reasonable. < 1284661718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to figure out what curve it is. < 1284661733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like long tail. < 1284661738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a not-terribly-high peak. < 1284661747 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sine < 1284661760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sorted < 1284661763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sine is unlikely < 1284661766 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, if I got a sine curve after *sorting* data I would be worried < 1284661767 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1284661768 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can add "smooth csplines/acsplines/bezier/sbezier" for different sorts of curve-fit-smoothing. < 1284661771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise, for a single x value yes < 1284661771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It can do spline smoothing if you want. < 1284661774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single x value; how? < 1284661798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: any options to tweak for those? < 1284661799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I forgot, since I needed the line points thingy and the smoothing didn't work with that style < 1284661801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "single x value" was "average many entries for a single x value"; for that you just specify "unique" in the plot. < 1284661807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I ended up not using it < 1284661825 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "with smoothing unique" or such iirc? < 1284661828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: erm, any way to set how many to average at a time? < 1284661836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ < 1284661836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can't calculate approximation splines, all weights have to be > 0 < 1284661838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck you :| < 1284661858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you forgot to give weights I presume? < 1284661861 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: For "unique", it will always average all that have the same X value, you can't tweak that. < 1284661869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay. < 1284661888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No change. < 1284661904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have points with the same X value there, then? < 1284661932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno :P < 1284661936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1284661943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a plaintext file with a bunch of numbers < 1284661945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you need some other smoothing function < 1284661952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the size distribution is kind of fun < 1284661960 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, can you upload that image somewhere < 1284661964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set term svg < 1284661966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: which one < 1284661968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :set output "foo.svg" < 1284661969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, not svg :P < 1284661976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well same works for png iirc < 1284661979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why not svg? < 1284661990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1st = 1.7 * 2nd. then a bunch of almost equal ones < 1284661998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For general sort of averaging, you might be able to round the X values to particular steps with a suitable "using" spec, and then run "unique" on it. < 1284662000 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a steady decline from 200s into 100s < 1284662002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway I meant the size distribution < 1284662005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm adapting those old testN.png log-activity plot scripts to my current "logs in a database" scheme; soon we'll get those updated too. < 1284662014 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1284662022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's pretty much a steady decline all the way through < 1284662026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which db engine? < 1284662035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :129 -> 86 though < 1284662037 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: PostgreSQL, since I had that installed anyway. < 1284662041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for the activity? Or what? < 1284662042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of these two lines < 1284662042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:04:30 hi < 1284662042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:53:19 hi < 1284662048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only someone with the nick "a" just said "a" on one day < 1284662065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be 15-16 added bytes instead < 1284662070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for file size < 1284662072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when ordered by size < 1284662078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1284662080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. there's no particular distribution < 1284662085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100s are the most common < 1284662090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one above 250 or so < 1284662094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's just a steady decline < 1284662095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, in bytes!? < 1284662097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what? < 1284662106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilos < 1284662109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in weight in paper) < 1284662109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1284662114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on paper < 1284662116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which one was above 250? < 1284662121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, one with spam or such? < 1284662126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bf joustfest < 1284662131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284662138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-05-28 < 1284662140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :417K log < 1284662147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second-top is 250K < 1284662152 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one is? < 1284662156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=S;O=D < 1284662210 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use of uninitialized value in subroutine entry at ./log-activity.pl line 211." Hmm. < 1284662215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1284662218 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.246.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284662220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1284662245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm, can't you lock a channel in your client < 1284662253 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a "no part unless I first unlock it" < 1284662263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:14:52 WTF COMMERCIAL!! Why is there a commercial for Emerald Nuts that implies a grizzly death of the three main characters shortly after the commercial ends >_< < 1284662266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UQxN5HW1PU < 1284662273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i just keep hitting part by mistake < 1284662275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably not < 1284662276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really care < 1284662286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, part is a button? < 1284662290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a key binding? < 1284662292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the right of the tablist... < 1284662294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also Ctrl+W < 1284662296 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284662297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also /part < 1284662301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just xchat < 1284662306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well /part is not so easy to do by mistake < 1284662307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in tabs mode < 1284662333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ^W might be < 1284662333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://frox25.no-ip.org/~mtve/code/eso/bef/chess/ < 1284662337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the second-highest log < 1284662340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by mtve < 1284662345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge-93 chess program with AI < 1284662350 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!_! < 1284662355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no castling or en passant, you can cheat, no checkmate processing < 1284662360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangs on stalemate < 1284662362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the AI sucks < 1284662363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1284662370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's chess-with-AI in befunge-93 < 1284662373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty awesome < 1284662374 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UQxN5HW1PU <-- safe for mind and so on? < 1284662382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1284662385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and work < 1284662393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boursin is a soft cheese < 1284662395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you didn't know < 1284662407 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, why did you go !_! at that? < 1284662408 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284662419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I can't say I knew that, no < 1284662431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but primarily I meant ads can be bloody strange < 1284662440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just hilarious < 1284662446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm not sure I consider that VW "pimp your ride" safe for mind for example < 1284662454 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/test10.png -- okay, here's average per-week activity (measured in line counts), plotted with a starting time step of one day/pixel, from 2003-01-01 to 2010-08-31, with the top 8 noisiest people highlighted. I should probably map some nick-changes away from that. < 1284662481 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: <3 mtve < 1284662488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird->alise, definitely < 1284662492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the ehird/alise/tusho trinity, and AnMaster. < 1284662496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah tusho too < 1284662504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha vorpal isn't even on it < 1284662515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird, alise, tusho: the father, the spirit and the holy ghost < 1284662541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pikhq/oklopol too < 1284662542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : There's the ehird/alise/tusho trinity, and AnMaster. <-- should be merged into Vorpal < 1284662549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what, all of them? :D < 1284662565 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes of course. I will assimilate you all! < 1284662566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are Borg. Resistance is futile. < 1284662569 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tusho is who? < 1284662572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typed it before you did < 1284662573 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Right, I'm replotting it with ehird → alise, tusho → alise, AnMaster → Vorpal mappings. < 1284662573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nyah < 1284662574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: me < 1284662574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hah beat you to it < 1284662579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I sent it before you did < 1284662583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i was typing it when your message arrived < 1284662583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 4 second margin < 1284662584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nyah < 1284662593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's merely a hivemind incident < 1284662602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you think I typed it after I send it!? < 1284662609 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a good trick < 1284662613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was typing mine when yours arrived < 1284662617 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what accts for the big spike? seems like there might have been a talkative other < 1284662635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: bf joust < 1284662637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i said < 1284662638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, implying that I typed it before, since obviously I couldn't type it after I sent it < 1284662639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh in test10? < 1284662643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should perhaps average a bit more than with a (Hamming-weighted) window of 7 days; there's the weekend/weekday differences that doesn't gloss over, which makes for a peaky graph. < 1284662644 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ah. missed that < 1284662644 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no... < 1284662648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :network lag means i didn't see it < 1284662651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until i was typing mine already < 1284662656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well okay < 1284662658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I agree on < 1284662679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://zem.fi/~fis/test10b.png -- fixed nickname mappings, with fabulous results: I got myself on the chart too. < 1284662720 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1284662732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha i still dominate bitches < 1284662739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it seemed squished horizontally < 1284662740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you fix that? < 1284662743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seems < 1284662754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what the fuck, i'm there even in 2003 :D < 1284662759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little red line < 1284662762 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a suggestion is to add some scale? < 1284662764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE ALWAYS EXISTED < 1284662769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND WILL ALWAYS DOMINATE < 1284662783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the red line must be an artifact over there < 1284662789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1284662792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS MY UNDYING PRESENCE < 1284662797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am there even when there are no other colours < 1284662804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it plots all 8 lines throughout the whole plot. And I think the scale was suggested earlier too. < 1284662807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably it layers all lines with height 0 on top of each other, and luck happens to be...) < 1284662811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like it, don't change it :P < 1284662817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a higher graph or perhaps a log scale might be more useful to see anything useful in the less peaky regions < 1284662825 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the alise-stalt < 1284662829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyway yeah, give us a less-horizontally-stretched, generally-higher-resolution version :D < 1284662832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please. >_> < 1284662851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how a lot of the time i talk more than *everyone not on the chart combined* < 1284662855 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I can add more horizontal pixels if you want, or just make the graph less tall to make it less stretchedy. < 1284662857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you mean less horizontally compressed! < 1284662899 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, I can make it average over more than 7 days so that it won't be so peaky, if you want just general overall activities. < 1284662903 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about that "average over hour of activity" graph? I seem to remember it showed I had never spoken during some hours < 1284662909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if that is still the case < 1284662915 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm trying to retrofit that script at the moment. < 1284662921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, awesome < 1284662947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Widen it so it's less stretched horizontally, then just make both dimensions bigger from that. < 1284662950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For more clarity. :P < 1284662962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the picture will be huge! < 1284662966 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1284662977 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also make it update in realtime < 1284662980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it isn't huge until it is like my 360° panos < 1284663124 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now graph swearing < 1284663215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Size matters! < 1284663215 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/ ) < 1284663215 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, if you write the function that maps the irc logs to swearing index < 1284663291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh I interpreted it as you meant "every swearword" and thought you joked (since that would require understanding the context, "fuck" might not be swearing in some specific contexts) < 1284663298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I actually laughed at that. < 1284663338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck is always swearing < 1284663340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not always cursing < 1284663352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how "penguin" is a swear word. < 1284663352 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We must conspire to have "Fuck this shit bastard penguin's crap." inserted into the kernel source. < 1284663356 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what's the difference? < 1284663363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i think there's a fetish for that < 1284663376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: cursing is saying "Fuck!", "Fuck this shit!" < 1284663390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just swearing would be, uh, "So then I fucked the antelope!" < 1284663401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be my own idiosyncratic definition, but i don't think so < 1284663409 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, fucking an antelope is just beastiality < 1284663424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, crap could be a typo for carp for example? < 1284663430 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not swearing then < 1284663458 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but still a bit fishy < 1284663484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hey leave that to oerjan. < 1284663516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's like saying someone who accidentally says nigger didn't actually say nigger < 1284663526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, that nigger -- er, black person, is really... successful." < 1284663528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said nigger obvs < 1284663552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also on that page: A little about the counting method used: A word is counted if it appears in any context, even if part of another word (such as love in rollover, which was why this word wasn't included. It was a funny story about horrible awk memory leaks using regexp). It's not grep -c, multiple words on one line may be counted. < 1284663558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use of uninitialized value $body in length at ./log-activity-times.pl line 114." -- that also doesn't sound good. < 1284663569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and that is much less exact < 1284663571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you plot it manually? < 1284663575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Meh. < 1284663593 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do everything (related to these plots) with Perl. < 1284663608 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pictures come from GD and so on. The horrible. < 1284663614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should really clean this stuff up at some point. < 1284663653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why this per-time-of-day thing is taking a lot more time to run, though. < 1284663665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from /usr/share/dict/words scrap (and similar words like scraps, scraped and so on) and skyscraper are example of words containing "crap" < 1284663678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine the latter being likely in the kernel source < 1284663681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore crap then < 1284663683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former though... < 1284663710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also abbrevs and so on, it doesn't seem like that thing checks comments only < 1284663730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so non-words containing those letters might occur < 1284663797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I was using year:month:day in place of hour:minute:second there. (Still not sure why it would make it take so long to finish, though.) < 1284663857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, missing indexes? < 1284663917 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think so; it was spending 99% of the CPU in the Perl side. < 1284663927 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, http://zem.fi/~fis/test11.png for just last month's time-of-the-day info. < 1284663960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Doing a longer period of time now.) < 1284664012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the hours are again Finnish time. < 1284664041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which timezone? < 1284664059 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EET/EEST is I think the abbrevs. We're one hour aheard of you. < 1284664066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284664075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has such a funky colour < 1284664095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also what is the cause of the abrupt changes for me? I can't think of a reasonable explanation. I certainly don't go online in exactly the same hour every day < 1284664097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I managed to maintain ludicrous activity despite being in a mental institution. < 1284664101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get an award. < 1284664111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, last month < 1284664113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that month, but.) < 1284664117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was still in there last month. < 1284664121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284664122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as a daypatient. < 1284664128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even before that, on the larger graph, you can see me. < 1284664171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover does however seem to keep very strict "leaving irc" time < 1284664203 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmn, there seems to be something wrong with the script, based on http://zem.fi/~fis/test11b.png which should be 2009-01-01 → 2010-08-31. So you might want to disregard these results until I find out what's wrong there. < 1284664235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he goes to bed ridiculously early < 1284664254 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and he never stays even in case of an interesting convo < 1284664269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure he has a thing known as school < 1284664273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you phanty :| < 1284664281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, in summer too? < 1284664289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOREVER SCHOOL < 1284664296 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there was something *really* screwy with the "count message lengths" logic. < 1284664307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in summer, that's why I was able to stay up until half 12. < 1284664314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wasn't it counting number of messages rather than length? < 1284664322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I can't bear it any longer and sleep in any case. < 1284664333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That last one was doing something really weird. < 1284664341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm okay < 1284664348 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: my $COUNT_LENGTH = 0; # 0: none, 1: count lengths, 2: count average length ← this was set to "2" earlier. < 1284664360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284664362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: when is the latest you have ever gone to bed? < 1284664366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so what does it count now? < 1284664373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, http://zem.fi/~fis/test12.png for last month in mode 0, where it counts just number of messages and ignores lengths. < 1284664385 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I have no idea. < 1284664391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that needs to be logarithmic or something < 1284664403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is no detail near the middle < 1284664417 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I stay up really late, I'm normally not checking the time. < 1284664422 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not much going *on* near the middle. < 1284664437 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the Y scaling is somewhat messy thanks to the smoothing. < 1284664455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm why the 20-21 dip I wonder < 1284664514 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was just for one month; it's currently calculating the same for 2009-01-01 to 2010-08-31. < 1284664539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 4am? 6am? < 1284664541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at all? < 1284664557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I love how we all DIED < 1284664580 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what? < 1284664588 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, one of them is correct! < 1284664597 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your guess is as good as mine as to which! < 1284664604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I bet it's more like 7PM < 1284664607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1284664613 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess it is due to most of us being EU or NA timezones. Meaning we either sleep or are work or university at those times < 1284664618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That pm was in capitals, not just another way of saying it. That is, shouted. < 1284664620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*7 PM, maybe. < 1284664624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, LIES < 1284664625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/test12b.png -- that's averaged over 20 months. < 1284664628 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm sure a plot for June-August will look different < 1284664630 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7AM! < 1284664633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah like nobody from university IRCs < 1284664640 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half past three in the afternoon! < 1284664647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, sure we do, but not as talkative < 1284664652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, busy with other stuff < 1284664715 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it looks like you talk more than "others" at some times < 1284664726 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:30 or so for example < 1284664742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 22:00-22:30 < 1284664746 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing the "sum of activities normalized to 1" relative-talkativity plot now; that reveals more midnight details. < 1284664758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah nice < 1284664769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i monologue < 1284664770 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't 0 at midnight? < 1284664771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody else really does < 1284664787 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "night" as defined by "the time #esoteric is quiet". < 1284664790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, true, I do it very rarely < 1284664792 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :P < 1284664795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I monologue too, just not here. < 1284664817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happened a few times in here iirc, but quite sort. like 5-10 lines < 1284664824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is at like 50-100 lines < 1284664846 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays I tend to sleep from around 01-02 onwards, which means I keep missing a whole lot of stuff. < 1284664857 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm either: a) watching video in a window and not realizing it isn't fullscreen, or b) watching video in fullscreen and *still* not realizing it's fullscreen < 1284664860 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, client is always connected though? < 1284664863 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or logging at least < 1284664881 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second is a bit more confusing since I usually press the fullscreen button and probably expect it to cover my entire field of vision or something < 1284664883 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, um? < 1284664884 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yes, but I can't bother logreading when there's lot of stuff. < 1284664893 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/test12r.png -- normalized plot. < 1284664901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well that is likely do to black borders around < 1284664921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it seems unlikely that full screen window actually fills your monitor without some nasty up-scaling < 1284664931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: field of vision fullscreen sweet < 1284664942 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it does cover the whole screen, at least all the pixels < 1284664943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh come on nothing wrong with a bit of upscaling < 1284664948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the upscaler is good < 1284664953 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, like that bent IMAX cinema in Stockholm? < 1284664955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the source quality is not too high anyway < 1284664960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i mean for things like old TV shows < 1284664960 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is like half a sphere < 1284664968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck watching TNG at its original size on a modern monitor < 1284664976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a magnifying glass :) < 1284664978 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have video above you and so on as well as in front < 1284664983 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hah < 1284665005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: oh come on nothing wrong with a bit of upscaling if the upscaler is good <-- that is exceedingly rare < 1284665017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I haven't yet seen a good upscaler in fact < 1284665026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can manage more than say, 2-4% < 1284665077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer fullscreen works acceptably on low-res, already-relatively-blurry material < 1284665080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, as i said, old tv shows < 1284665087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't notice that it's upscaled because it was blurry to begin with < 1284665095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284665103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, can't say I watched many of those < 1284665109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNG :P < 1284665118 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, haven't watched that on computer < 1284665120 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this is 720p upscaled to 1080p < 1284665126 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks good enough :) < 1284665130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only on CRT based TV < 1284665140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that should be fine < 1284665142 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAL < 1284665157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: psht, you got the time-adjusted version! < 1284665161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the jerky-movement version < 1284665173 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1284665178 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think CRT TV:s have pixels, it's more like fuzzy overlapping blobs of light < 1284665183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably time-adjusted < 1284665204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: if you haven't looked at a semi-decent CRT monitor recently try it, it's not as fuzzy as your mental image of it becomes :P < 1284665205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the kind of videos I tested upscaling with were modern ones filmed with digital camera, that filled like a bit more than 1/3rd of my monitor < 1284665222 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, had a problem finding anything higher < 1284665232 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't know anyone who still has a half-way decent CRT TV :P < 1284665236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the 4096p thing of youtube? would need downscaling for that < 1284665243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i said monitor :-P < 1284665249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a trinitron < 1284665254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Actually, typical CRT TVs don't have pixels. They have lines. < 1284665258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want eeeeverything < 1284665277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING < 1284665286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want infinite money, and the justification would be that i'm awesome < 1284665290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scan line can vary at arbitrary points during the scan. < 1284665291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the old CRT TV downstairs doesn't even have text tv. And you have to program the channels stored for the buttons by opening a small hatchet and turn tuning knobs! < 1284665293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY CAN'T I HAVE INFINITE MONEY < 1284665303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"text tv" heh < 1284665305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teletext my boy < 1284665309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teletext < 1284665319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm Swedish name was "texttv" < 1284665320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Ceefax < 1284665322 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's faaaar from half-way decent < 1284665326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most glorious server ever < 1284665326 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I extrapolated from that < 1284665327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know < 1284665330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ceefax still exists? < 1284665330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, of course < 1284665333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the original, analogue, blocky form < 1284665333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you could somehow actually get the signal to the TV set properly, you could do 4096x480 video on a regular TV set. < 1284665335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I did! < 1284665336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over analogue airwaves < 1284665336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but. It is retro < 1284665339 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so fun! < 1284665340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i mean other people not in the UK < 1284665347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and indeed, it will continue broadcasting in that format < 1284665352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until the last analogue TV broadcast ends in 2012 < 1284665353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though for this you would *probably* need to hook into the electron gun directly) < 1284665357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the world will end in 2012 < 1284665357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you could somehow actually get the signal to the TV set properly, you could do 4096x480 video on a regular TV set. <-- eh? < 1284665364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world will never see the beginning of a year without ceefax < 1284665370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is immensely comforting. < 1284665384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: CRT, he means < 1284665390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1284665400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, doesn't it have a max native res? < 1284665406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that direction? < 1284665407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They *do* have that shadow mask with three-color phosphors at discrete points, you can't really sensibly get more resolution than that even if you control the gun. < 1284665407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ceefax: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/Ceefax.png < 1284665415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it has lines, so you'd just get insanity < 1284665417 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, right, color TVs have shadow masks. < 1284665420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: REMOVE THEM < 1284665424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that ceefax image < 1284665425 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hah < 1284665429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just imagine every pixel is blocky < 1284665431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get a sense of it < 1284665436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: my favourite tv program is Pages from Ceefax < 1284665441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music is just so lovely < 1284665446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I know what text signal over tv looks like < 1284665450 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seen it elsewhere < 1284665454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but you've never seen Ceefax! < 1284665455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blocky yes < 1284665457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people still send letters in and shit < 1284665463 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, people WRITE to it! < 1284665464 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed that I haven't seen < 1284665465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a friend who quite recently still used it < 1284665469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like read it regularly < 1284665474 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's weather and news! < 1284665475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the letters though < 1284665483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you mean like personal letters broadcast to everyone? < 1284665485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The digital version is an ABOMINATION! < 1284665489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no... < 1284665492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: public letters < 1284665493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not digital. < 1284665494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284665496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a primitive forum < 1284665500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really slow < 1284665504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was on an analogue TV. < 1284665507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know. < 1284665511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that it is < 1284665512 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how did you send them? Phone? < 1284665513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is. < 1284665520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... Post ... < 1284665525 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With such a crappy signal from Channel 4 that it's like playing Nethack! < 1284665527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not did; it's do. < 1284665535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, < 1284665535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: At least you are spared Five! < 1284665549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, INDEED < 1284665559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In Britain it is forever the late 1960s. < 1284665564 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People write to the Finnish teletext system, too; there are (well, were...) a couple of pages dedicated to correspondence from viewers. < 1284665566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, uh, early 70s mixed in. < 1284665578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: RIP analogue, eh? < 1284665583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the neverending December 1969? < 1284665583 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel very lucky that during my formative years the house I lived in had no signal whatsoever from Five. < 1284665596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... You guys actually have effectively a *text terminal* over your analog TV signals? < 1284665598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to get up before 6am to watch the kid's program on five < 1284665601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was like... 5 < 1284665603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, YES. < 1284665606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, no. < 1284665607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, view only < 1284665611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The only input is a three-digit number. < 1284665616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and four shortcut buttons on every page. < 1284665616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1284665618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To a different number. < 1284665618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Still. < 1284665622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, text would be SWEET < 1284665626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, there's *actual input*? < 1284665629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1284665629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, for a multi-page document, it automatically scrolls. < 1284665631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the page number < 1284665638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, wanna know how it's broadcast? < 1284665639 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell does a TV get that signal through? < 1284665643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: /In the scanlines that aren't shown/. < 1284665651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not scrolls, it is like 746 (1) and so on < 1284665658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, yes < 1284665659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means there's an actual transmitter in the TV *for the sole purpose of teletext*. < 1284665666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it doesn't < 1284665669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen < 1284665671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's how it work < 1284665671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1284665674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in every scanline not shown on the tv < 1284665675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, that's actually fairly common. < 1284665676 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it does fancy filtering. < 1284665678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some teletext data < 1284665680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I get it now. < 1284665683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, just relies on how crts work < 1284665687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this changes very quickly < 1284665687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1284665690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you enter a page number < 1284665693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just waits until it's broadcast < 1284665695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then displays it < 1284665698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why it does the counting thing < 1284665702 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, I remember the waiting thing too < 1284665703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Also, it's the vertical blanking interval, not the cropped scanlines. < 1284665710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmm, alright then < 1284665713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern TV sets sometimes cache the whole set of pages, though. < 1284665714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it seemed like 100 (default page iirc?) was broadcast more often than other pages < 1284665726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Those without access to teletext-equipped sets can still view limited Ceefax content via the BBC's Pages from Ceefax slot." < 1284665737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those still living in the 1940s are advised to turn on their wireless. < 1284665743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I seen a TV cache like 4 pages around you or so at most < 1284665763 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284665771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Some cache all of it. Including the different subpages of one page. It isn't very much data, after all. < 1284665771 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Ceefax, how are you? I am fine. Yours, cpressey < 1284665774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also the corruption due to poor signal < 1284665779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least around here they still send the teletext stuff over DVB-TXT, I believe, though I'm not completely sure. < 1284665782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, did it have any sort of forward error correction? < 1284665785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even checksum < 1284665799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the web interface -- http://www.yle.fi/tekstitv/html/ but it's mostly in Finnish only -- still works. < 1284665800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get strange blocks all over the page < 1284665806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The US sends much, much less stuff in the VBI than you guys do. < 1284665806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah i think it had no correction... < 1284665809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it probably had some sort of duplication < 1284665812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise no single page would work < 1284665815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing much < 1284665825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WE USE IT TO ITS TFULL EXTENT < 1284665829 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "Tyvärr kunde sidan du sökte inte hittas" < 1284665829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> At least around here they still send the teletext stuff over DVB-TXT, I believe, though I'm not completely sure. < 1284665829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee. Closed captioning, time, content ratings. < 1284665832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all crappy and modern though < 1284665842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: closed captioning? that's teletext page 888 < 1284665845 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and above that "Valitettavasti etsimääsi sivua ei löytynyt" < 1284665846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't even use it for noting the aspect ratio of the analog signal. < 1284665854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[TEXT] [8] [8] [8] ...wait... < 1284665858 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Whoops, http://www.yle.fi/tekstitv/ just; I cut the URL a bit wrongly. < 1284665859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly the teletext stuff disappears < 1284665867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only appearing, with the large font, in a black box, in the bottom, for subtitles < 1284665874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pressing a number brings up the little top bar again to go elsewhere < 1284665874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yeah < 1284665875 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wait, the tv contains a *transmitter*? < 1284665879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no < 1284665881 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, it does nto. < 1284665884 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought not < 1284665884 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not < 1284665895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is amazing :D < 1284665908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, really, it is impossible to tell what aspect ratio an analog, System M, NTSC signal is. < 1284665913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sweet < 1284665920 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it was not 888 here, but something else < 1284665922 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot what < 1284665925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6xx iirc < 1284665942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...here we have the Sky (digital satellite TV) box set to relay the real aspect ratio to the TV < 1284665947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which leads to two things: almost no 16:9 analog signals, and morons displaying all 4:3 signals as 16:9. < 1284665950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which then adds black bars to the left and right of 4:3 content as appropriate < 1284665952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works universally < 1284665956 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :300-something here, IIRC. And it wasn't really used much, sometimes there were alternative-language subtitles. Nowadays everything's done with DVB's subpicture streams. < 1284665960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately by default it just stretches < 1284665966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it requires a little bit of set-up < 1284665977 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: Yes, really, it is impossible to tell what aspect ratio an analog, System M, NTSC signal is. <-- how comes? < 1284665987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because the aspect ratio is not encoded in the signal. < 1284665999 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1284666009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the Finnish teletext system has a "subtitle blanking page", which puts two black bars over the regions that usually have subtitles there. It's meant for those who are trying to learn languages and want to avoid seeing the translations. < 1284666019 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, i just realized, if !(a|b) then !(a^2|b^2) where | is "divides" < 1284666022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike most PAL systems, which note whether it's 4:3 pillerboxed, 4:3 native, 16:9 letterboxed, 16:9 native, or PALplus. < 1284666037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I remember that here they did real-time captioning for news sometimes. Which was strange to watch. The captioning sometimes typoed and backspaced < 1284666048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: !(a|b) == a%b :P < 1284666070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PALplus being a backwards-compatible 16:9 encoding which on incompatible sets shows as 16:9 letterboxed, and on compatible sets shows as 16:9 native. The missing lines are encoded inside the letterboxing.) < 1284666071 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i was trying not to overload ints and bools < 1284666072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.yle.fi/cgi-bin/tekstitv/ttv.cgi/html?PAGE=338 -- but it's pretty boring since there's only black background behind the black bars. :p < 1284666074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you can exploit that somehow < 1284666076 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er coerce < 1284666079 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1284666094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a%b implies (a<<1)%(a<<2) < 1284666096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1284666098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a%b implies (a<<1)%(a<<1) < 1284666109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not true if it overflows ofc < 1284666113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what was the normal captioning pages? < 1284666113 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1284666120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it should automatically show them < 1284666123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in realtime < 1284666146 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 333 for channel 1, 334 for channel 2 here. They share the teletext pages. < 1284666147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (PALplus being a backwards-compatible 16:9 encoding which on incompatible sets shows as 16:9 letterboxed, and on compatible sets shows as 16:9 native. The missing lines are encoded inside the letterboxing.) < 1284666151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's what everything uses nowadays < 1284666151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1284666155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything = all FIVE channels! < 1284666166 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you can prove the irrationality of root 2 with that. < 1284666174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ceefax is shared over BBC 1 and 2 but it's still always 888 < 1284666176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we are superior < 1284666177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1284666177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1284666178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah yes they did for SVT1/SVT2 here too < 1284666180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have different ceefaxes < 1284666182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just most of the pages are identical < 1284666186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they had different captioning pages < 1284666187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some are only available on one channel < 1284666202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this looks wrong? http://www.yle.fi/cgi-bin/tekstitv/ttv.cgi/html?PAGE=333 < 1284666216 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what does that page say? < 1284666217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well of course everything uses PALplus. It's the easy way of doing analog 16:9 video without breaking stuff for the person with the 50 year old TV set. < 1284666226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that looks like a teletext 404 :D < 1284666245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hey mine is just 35 or so iirc :P < 1284666254 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes I was suspecting that too < 1284666258 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want confirmation < 1284666269 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-243-35.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1284666278 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "The page you are looking for does not exist on the www-server", basically. < 1284666282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1284666290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Might be related to the fact that no subtitled programs are going on at the moment. < 1284666291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...I mean tele-server." < 1284666291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You might want to upgrade. TVs have gotten much less shitty. < 1284666304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and more shitty in other ways! < 1284666308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1284666315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't use it :P < 1284666320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I hardly ever watch TV < 1284666332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, I have to go visit my (Catholic) extended family in 2 days. < 1284666343 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O god I will have to pretend not to hate the pope. < 1284666371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, the programming is still shit. < 1284666376 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, and the currently send Finnish subtitles (for hearing-impaired folks) using DVB subpictures with the language code for Dutch; I think it is because of compatibility reasons; all (well, most) boxes let you change the subtitling language, but less support the "force subtitles even if they're not displayed by default" thing. < 1284666382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and the array of 2 rows of 10 tuning knobs each under that hatch is cool. As I said above, used for storing the channels for the buttons < 1284666404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't get it. < 1284666413 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, these days there is just one channel used, the one mapped to the digital TV box < 1284666417 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has it's own remote < 1284666419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to set channel < 1284666475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't get it either < 1284666493 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they sent those subtitles with the code for Finnish, then they'd have to set the "non-mandatory" bit on -- otherwise they'd be displayed for everyone, not just those that want to see them -- and since not all boxes can force subtitles to be displayed, they instead send them as "Dutch" subtitles, because with more boxes you can change the subtitling language to Dutch when you want to see them. < 1284666521 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1284666528 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what they'd do if they'd happen to have actual Dutch subtitles for something, but also the hearing-impaired Finnish ones. < 1284666547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this is so screwy < 1284666626 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and I have managed to record some DVB streams so that it picks up all subtitles from the whole... what's it called, "group" of channels sent over one DVB "stream", and then displays all of them at the same time. It's quite hilarious, since the other channels' subtitles don't correspond to the program at all. < 1284666660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1284666670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, very bored? < 1284666671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not sure what they'd do if they'd happen to have actual Dutch subtitles for something, but also the hearing-impaired Finnish ones. < 1284666673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dutch is now German < 1284666696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, by the pigeonhole principle this will run into problems at some point < 1284666697 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DVB sends a program stream of N megabits over a single frequency, and it's the client's task to pick only video/audio/subpictures for the channel it's interested at.) < 1284666712 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only if something eventually gets subtitled into every language on earth < 1284666726 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to make a homebrew computer based around a closed-captioning decoder chip at one point (makes it easy to display text on a crt...) < 1284666736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, true, and even before then there will be confusion about the moving around of various languages < 1284666736 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That does have the nice property that you can watch channel X and record channel Y even with only a single DVB tuner, as long as X and Y happen to be in the same group.) < 1284666740 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just keep remapping with a less popular language until you've run out of them, then invent a new language code 'xx' or something < 1284666777 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ooh, that's cool, didn't know that about DVB < 1284666784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1284666794 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably where they'll squeeze the hbbtv stuff in < 1284666797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, assuming it supports that? < 1284666809 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, "hbbtv"? < 1284666835 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :newfangled internetty digital web-tv 2.0 thing < 1284666869 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1284666876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Assuming that. Supporting it was for a very long time a feature request in MythTV; they finally got it done with a really half-arsed solution though. VDR's been capable of it for... well, long. < 1284666902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know how well consumer-hardware style DVB boxes support it.) < 1284666903 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like digital tv plus internet, essentially, with some new standards for how to do the internet part and (iirc) stuff like html with video-tags displaying DVB video < 1284666917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I meant the tv card or whatever < 1284666928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, presumably it might do the filtering in hardware < 1284666950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, but the cheap ones all just return the the full program stream and let the software figure it out. :p < 1284666951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like my digital tv box does, since it gives just one signal out to the TV < 1284666969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogue one that is < 1284667009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, except that I did have one USB 1.2 DVB tuner. The bandwidth of pre-2 USB isn't wide enough to push the whole program stream through, so you have to use the filtering (which it did support) there. (But when you use it, you can't do the nifty simultaneous watch+record trick, of course.) < 1284667016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise, by the pigeonhole principle this will run into problems at some point < 1284667016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1284667020 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :webvervision < 1284667021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna know why? < 1284667032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English < 1284667038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody would ever want to read subtitles in such an insane language < 1284667041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the last language can just replace English < 1284667042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, XD < 1284667073 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1284667082 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what about hearing impaired Americans who emigrated to Finland? < 1284667091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English speaking americans I mean < 1284667127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody speaks English psht < 1284667146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if they want to add a language not even in the list, they can replace Swedish < 1284667148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other dead language < 1284667149 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should just have different "languages" for normal text and hearing-impaired text < 1284667149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oui < 1284667162 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, they are usually different subtitles < 1284667167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Som kommer att fungera perfekt. < 1284667174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, or make hw support the "not mandatory" flag < 1284667237 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of it supports the manual visibility setting; they just might be worried that older devices will show those subtitles all the time if they label them as Finnish. < 1284667273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not in the UK < 1284667279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get hearing-impaired stuff in the normal subtitles screen < 1284667288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the rest of us have fine-tuned our acent decoders < 1284667290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*accent < 1284667292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and need no subtitles < 1284667305 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ja med engleska vill säga ty detta vackra språk jag nu skriver på, som talas uti de flesta delar av Sverige är ju inte dött än. < 1284667311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder how well that translates < 1284667321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *it < 1284667325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1284667326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not it < 1284667327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not uti < 1284667334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, "uti" was correct < 1284667339 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Swedish < 1284667347 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is rather poetic/archaic though < 1284667354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Alla vet att franska är det språk som Sverige. Bonjour! < 1284667369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, "that language which Sweden"? < 1284667374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the language of Sweden" < 1284667384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, incorrectly translated < 1284667402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Egentligen Sverige ÄR Frankrike, om man tänker på det tillräckligt hårt. < 1284667404 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yippetiyap yippetiyap < 1284667411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wrong word order < 1284667423 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tänker man tillräckligt HÅRT så går nog precis vad som helst < 1284667425 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"är" has to go in front of Sweden < 1284667446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Din promiskuösa amerikansk mamma är så fet, blev hon ett svart hål. < 1284667446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, för vadå? < 1284667460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amerikansk is supposed to be African-American. < 1284667462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno if that translated. < 1284667470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how formally said. I mean what was "promiskuösa" supposed to be? < 1284667473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it didn't < 1284667476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: promiscuous < 1284667482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your promiscuous African-American mother is so fat, she became a black hole." < 1284667485 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah, it sounds extremely formal in Sweden < 1284667494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and it ended up wrong after the , < 1284667505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "one thinks hard enough, so will probably just about anything" < 1284667506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep. < 1284667522 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nonsense in English < 1284667525 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1284667527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vi kommer i fred, skjuta för att döda, skjuta för att döda, skjuta för att döda, vi kommer i fred, skjuta för att döda, skjuta för att döda, män. < 1284667529 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the harder you think, the harder *they* think! < 1284667540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why "men" at the end? < 1284667544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seuraavaksi samma på finska? < 1284667551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's how it is in the song! < 1284667554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "Seuraavaksi"? < 1284667567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Next", in Finnish. < 1284667572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Det är liv, Jim, men inte som vi känner det, inte som vi känner det, inte som vi känner det, det är liv, Jim, men inte som vi känner det, inte som vi känner det, kapten. < 1284667582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "next same in Finnish"? < 1284667593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Is ^ correctly translated? < 1284667599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't know the original < 1284667605 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Right, or more like "next, the same in Finnish". < 1284667606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's life Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it, it's life Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, Captain." < 1284667618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and well, lyrics are often not grammatically reasonable < 1284667651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, "it's life" was literally translated. Which doesn't work < 1284667654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an idiom in English < 1284667693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to change it to "the life" (livet) for it to be sensible in Swedish, and even then it feels unidiomatic somehow. < 1284667701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "så är livet" sounds better < 1284667702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it's not an idiom here < 1284667704 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To be more accurate about it, fi:seuraava is approximately en:next, and the -ksi suffix is I guess the translative noun case.) < 1284667708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh < 1284667712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :referring to [insert strange alien species of the week] < 1284667734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, someone made some sort of parody song on TOS? < 1284667747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. this thing is definitely alive, but not of a form we understand or commonly recognise. < 1284667759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In 1987, yes. < 1284667759 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, you know, sånt är livet. < 1284667763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE < 1284667764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is wonderful. < 1284667769 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that sounds idiomatic too < 1284667773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the log Kirk holds in the video:) < 1284667775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*video :) < 1284667792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Boldly going forwards / 'cause we can't find reverse." < 1284667838 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Staaaaar-trekking, across the universe. The song was used *somewhere*, but I can't quite remember where. (Well, presumably it's been used in many places, but I am thinking of a particular instance.) < 1284667851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The breakdown at the end is... odd. < 1284667861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can you translate "across the universe" for me? < 1284667870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Translate says "Across the Universe", because of the Beatles thing. < 1284667877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, in 1987? Not a home made video then < 1284667879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284667890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :över universum? < 1284667900 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm... "over the universe"? < 1284667902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1284667902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It got to #1 in the UK. < 1284667906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simon Bates, then a BBC Radio 1 DJ, took the song under his wing with the result that it became an instant hit, spending two weeks at number one on the UK Singles Chart[2] and becoming the ninth best-selling single of 1987 in the UK. < 1284667931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for some reason I can't think of a reasonable word there < 1284667936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ask olsner < 1284667938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner! < 1284667943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Translate "across" for me. < 1284667944 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ask Vorpal < 1284667948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal! < 1284667952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Translate "across" for me. < 1284667972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Över universum? Ett KORS universum! (<- non-joke) < 1284667981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works in English! Although it isn't funny. < 1284667986 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a Finnish comedy show sketch, a Star Trek parody, called "Tähtireki": literally translated that is "star sleigh", i.e. that thing Santa goes around in. < 1284667996 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiedosto:T%C3%A4htireki.JPG < 1284668010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to make Star Tech. < 1284668026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no I can't < 1284668029 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the point was that they talked only in abbreviations; they just said the first letter of each word of the sentence. < 1284668029 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ask olsner < 1284668035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wherein all the places in TNG where they probably wrote "tech" instead of the technobabble (they actually did this), you dub "tech" over.) < 1284668042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, "ett kors" means "a cross" not "across" < 1284668044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Captain! The techyon pulse is destabilising! < 1284668046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "one cross" < 1284668046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What? XD < 1284668049 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :star träck = starling droppings < 1284668054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I hate you!" "IHY!" < 1284668058 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*starträck of course, meh < 1284668064 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The commander was trying to say "Turn Right" or something, and kept repeating "TR, TR, TR", and the underling kept understanding it wrong. < 1284668067 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone familiar with the BBP pi formula? < 1284668074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That ... is hilariously ridiculous. < 1284668091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Was that the /entire premise/ of a /TV show/? < 1284668099 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get the expression for the kth digit to work no matter how hard I try. < 1284668110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Also, each episode ended with some catastrophe or other, and just before it hits the commander says, defeated, "EVVK"; short for "Ei Voisi Vähempää Kiinnostaa", or "Could Not Care Less". < 1284668111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's in hex. < 1284668115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, uh, no. < 1284668117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBP is binary. < 1284668126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, it was just a single sketch in some sort of multi-sketch comedy show. But there were a couple of them. < 1284668127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes, I understand this. < 1284668132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Obviously you don't want the 1/16^k factor. < 1284668143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's just (4/8k+1) - (2/8k+4) - (1/8k+5) - (1/8k+6). < 1284668149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where that's 4/(8k+1). < 1284668150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have tried this. < 1284668177 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It never gives an integral amount. < 1284668220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1284668234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh wait, you /want/ 1/16^k. < 1284668238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why the rounding brackets are there. < 1284668242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I think. < 1284668243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1284668244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1284668253 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Especially the log Kirk holds in the video:) <-- where? I missed that < 1284668262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: every time you see him < 1284668263 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, there are no rounding brackets in my version. < 1284668264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has a log in his lap < 1284668267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and why the log in kirk's knee? < 1284668267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the captain's log < 1284668271 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh duh < 1284668273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailey%E2%80%93Borwein%E2%80%93Plouffe_formula < 1284668278 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you forgot the tech in the third tech from the end < 1284668282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: had to have it pointed out to me too :) < 1284668303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: Also, each episode ended with some catastrophe or other, and just before it hits the commander says, defeated, "EVVK"; short for "Ei Voisi Vähempää Kiinnostaa", or "Could Not Care Less". < 1284668307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How were you meant to know this? < 1284668309 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and what's up with the "on the starbord"? And why that thing in front of the face < 1284668310 0 :Sgeo|web!897db275@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.178.117 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284668319 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Any reason to not burn Knoppix? < 1284668321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Port and starboard bows. < 1284668332 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, burned cds smell badly? < 1284668333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: It's not Ubuntu, and Ubuntu has everything you need right now, plus an actually viable OS to install afterwards. < 1284668343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and burning plastic releases toxic gases < 1284668344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, in front of which face? < 1284668346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure < 1284668352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Please tell me you are joking. < 1284668359 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, obviously -_- < 1284668364 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Knoppix not have TestDisk? < 1284668370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the one who says "that thing is on the starbord now" < 1284668374 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I also burned Parted Magic < 1284668389 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not going to be installing any OSes on this drive anytime soon < 1284668391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's uhura to start with < 1284668392 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, rounding it gives something vaguely correct. < 1284668394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's the doctor < 1284668397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nurse < 1284668400 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a temporary thing until I get an external HD < 1284668403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1284668403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1284668406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot < 1284668407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the video < 1284668410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Burn Ubuntu. < 1284668416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to answer any more questions because there is no reason not to. < 1284668418 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, for a comprehensive suite of disk tools I suggest systemrescuecd < 1284668431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, it has gparted, testdisk, and a lot of other stuff too < 1284668439 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1284668446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that also works < 1284668451 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything interesting on there that's not on Parted Magic? < 1284668452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Knoppix or Parted Magic are just stupid choices < 1284668456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, of course it doesn't have all the games or openoffice and so on that knoppix has < 1284668461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Sgeo|web just loves parted magic for some reason < 1284668468 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is _currently_ using Parted Magic, fwiw
< 1284668468 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, but that isn't what I want of a system rescue cd < 1284668482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTED MAGIC OMG IT'S THE ONLY REASON I EXIST < 1284668486 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So unless there's something on systemrescuecd that's not on here already, I < 1284668492 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to bother burning ot < 1284668494 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1284668494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is parted magic? < 1284668527 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LiveCD with a bunch of disk related stuff < 1284668528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, I don't know what parted magic contains < 1284668530 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are those square brackets in the BBW formula actually rounding? < 1284668531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't tell you < 1284668541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, go to system rescue cd website and check < 1284668542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1284668550 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://partedmagic.com/programs.html < 1284668555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, does that parted magic cd have mdadm and such? < 1284668565 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen square brackets used as normal ones TOO OFTEN. < 1284668570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for linux software raid < 1284668570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think... < 1284668572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. < 1284668575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] as () is common in logic. < 1284668581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok, Sgeo doesn't use /that/ < 1284668585 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, where rounding is meaningless. < 1284668589 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, anyway http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page < 1284668591 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does < 1284668593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, go on from there < 1284668603 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I'm using RAID < 1284668609 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, IGNORE ANYTHING VORPAL SAYS ABOUT RAID < 1284668615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, http://www.sysresccd.org/Detailed-packages-list < 1284668620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1284668634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo|web, IGNORE ANYTHING VORPAL SAYS ABOUT RAID < 1284668635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1284668637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, the cd also contains several non-linux boot images < 1284668653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS UNLIKELY TO HELP < 1284668653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, such as some real mode hw testing tools like memtest < 1284668655 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1284668674 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, http://www.sysresccd.org/System-tools < 1284668677 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnily enough, testing the memory is the least of my concerns right now < 1284668694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MHDD[25] low-level Hard Disk Drive Diagnostic. Reports S.M.A.R.T. data, firmware errorlog, runs firmware tests, scans surface reporting access times per sector and much more. Revised documentation at [26]" < 1284668695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have Active Worlds code to rescue!" < 1284668700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is another bootable image file on it < 1284668718 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never tried that one < 1284668723 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stick to booting the linux image < 1284668775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, incidentally, have you tried picking apart your partition table (or what's left of it)? < 1284668787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway I can just point him to the website and package list since I don't know exactly what he wants < 1284668791 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think at any rate, all I want to do is use TestDisk to backup all the important stuff somewhere, then get rid of the disk < 1284668810 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the SMART stuff claims there are read errors < 1284668810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, I would suggest ddrescue? < 1284668817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get an image of what you can < 1284668821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to another disk < 1284668827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then try to restore from there < 1284668852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since with manual rescuing straight from the disk it is likely to take more time, which is a BAD IDEA for a broken disk < 1284668863 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ddrescue right away to an image file on another harddrive < 1284668869 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then recover from that < 1284668885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, but for god's sake, read the ddrescue docs first < 1284668900 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to skip that step < 1284668919 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sheesh. ROUNDING brackets should be ROUND. < 1284668938 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, since you need to pass some flags to make resuming possible in case you have to interrupt the recovering < 1284668942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he's already left it a day or two < 1284668944 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or want to retry parts < 1284668952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no hope then I guess < 1284668955 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1284668956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly < 1284668960 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how stupid can he be < 1284668970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, first that key thing where he chipped the plastic < 1284668972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then this < 1284668980 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I supposedly do? < 1284668983 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's pi in hex? < 1284668995 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 3 < 1284669014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: left a broken HD for days before attempting recovery < 1284669017 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.243f6b, it appears. < 1284669023 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't see nearly enough hex fractions these days
< 1284669038 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't know how soon I'll have a place to back stuff up to < 1284669047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, double x = 3.14; printf("%lx\n", *((unsigned long*)&x)); < 1284669056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that should give you pi in hex < 1284669060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> let bbp n = ((4/((8*n)+1)) - (2/((8*n)+4)) - (1/((8*n)+5)) - (1/((8*n)+6))) * (16**n) < 1284669060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> map (round . bbp) [1..10] < 1284669060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2,11,85,807,8541,97051,1159542,14380534,183563828,2397572384] < 1284669061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1284669064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming a 64-bit system < 1284669070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjust to long long for 32-bit < 1284669074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because 3.14 is pi. < 1284669089 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it gets worse with time? < 1284669093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, to 3 significant digits yes :P < 1284669094 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that exponent is wrong. < 1284669115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailey%E2%80%93Borwein%E2%80%93Plouffe_formula < 1284669116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orally < 1284669116 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 16^n is pointless. < 1284669118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Orally? < 1284669133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, yes a disk that is dying will get worse with time < 1284669134 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1284669135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, rapidly < 1284669142 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: even unused? < 1284669152 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, depends on failure mode < 1284669154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pi begins 3.24 btw < 1284669159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hex < 1284669161 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer fell. < 1284669167 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the failure mode < 1284669168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh wait duh < 1284669172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it's binary < 1284669174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1284669176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, hard to tell what failure mode that gave raise to < 1284669178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe not < 1284669179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's basically pi = sum from 0 to infinity [16^(-k)f(k)) < 1284669183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*] < 1284669194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, spingle misaligned? broken platter? < 1284669197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be anything < 1284669201 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how do I find out? < 1284669205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the nth digit *should* be around f(k). < 1284669206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, you don't < 1284669213 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, he has used it. < 1284669220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah.... < 1284669227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He had the disk read with another computer. < 1284669241 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And read on this one with TestDisk < 1284669245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/0/4/b/04b7d4bcbf61949558b66a5ee48d9dbf.png < 1284669247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is equivalent < 1284669248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw < 1284669250 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if the head's wonky he could have ruined what data was left. < 1284669251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, stupid stupid stupid < 1284669251 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll stop doing that < 1284669254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The formula yields an algorithm for extracting hexadecimal digits of π. In order to perform digit extraction first we must rewrite the formula as < 1284669260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailey%E2%80%93Borwein%E2%80%93Plouffe_formula#BBP_digit-extraction_algorithm_for_.CF.80 < 1284669264 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, turn off disk until you are ready to begin test < 1284669270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, that means physically turning it off < 1284669272 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spinning it down < 1284669275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^ < 1284669278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just having it sit idle < 1284669279 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, ^ < 1284669282 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make sure it's spun down? < 1284669289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, SHUT OFF COMPUTER, UNPLUG IT < 1284669300 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, that is how < 1284669301 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...while having a usable computer < 1284669321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, YOU DON'T < 1284669321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and a pony" < 1284669332 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, how are you going to rescue it if you don't have another hdd to dump the image file to < 1284669337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well the mbr is intact < 1284669340 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR HARD DRIVE COULD BE SCRATCHING YOUR DISK TO DEATH FOR ALL YOU KNOW < 1284669341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at least one part of data < 1284669346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since wubi/ubuntu tries to boot < 1284669350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but fails due to the windows installation being fucked) < 1284669363 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Wubi installed *in the Windows filesystem*? < 1284669368 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it does < 1284669370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it adds a bootloader. < 1284669373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1284669374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes. < 1284669384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes but errors can spread if the platter is damaged. As in read head could try to read the damaged area and hit things physically and thus spread the bad sectors < 1284669385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is jumped to, and it just says "lol you no files" < 1284669386 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if his Windows partition dies, so does Ubuntu. < 1284669390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed < 1284669394 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, if the platters have physical impact damage < 1284669408 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which is why he should take that hdd out < 1284669413 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an boot option I can add to livecds to make it not spin up the HD? < 1284669417 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, no < 1284669429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: If you had a better laptop it would have tried to stop using the HD as soon as you dropped it :P < 1284669429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, use an external hd cabinet perhaps < 1284669432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maybe disconnecting the HD. < 1284669439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Phantom_Hoover said. < 1284669447 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that then < 1284669448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do it. Like, right now. < 1284669450 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me turn off this < 1284669452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it's turned on! < 1284669457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BIOS checks the storage devices for bootability. < 1284669461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you value YOUR LIFE or your DRIVE'S life?! < 1284669469 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at school < 1284669481 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not disconnecting it here < 1284669482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what does "i hela universum" mean? < 1284669486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Then turn it off. Now. < 1284669496 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely there's not particularly lethal current in a drive bus? < 1284669506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Sgeo|web, alise: when I last rescued a dying disk I used an external harddrive cabinet, and turned it on, waited until it got an sdc device, then ran ddrescue with relevant parameters on it, dumping it to an image file on another disk < 1284669512 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, "in the whole universe" < 1284669558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, listen to Vorpal. The longer your HD is in the computer, the less your chances of salvaging any data become. < 1284669570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could rescue almost everything in that case. The error was not a read error but some strange spin-down-and-reset issue < 1284669572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trekkin' / Över universum / På rymdskeppet Enterprise / Enligt Kapten Kirk! < 1284669573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trekkin' / Över universum / Djärvt gå framåt / Eftersom vi inte kan hitta vända! < 1284669579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nonsense < 1284669583 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284669585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it preserved the RHYMES < 1284669586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523 < 1284669590 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it didn't < 1284669600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it translates quite well < 1284669610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and we don't have the split infinitive or whatever it is called < 1284669610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trekkin' / Over the Universe / On the starship Enterprise / According to Captain Kirk! < 1284669618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...but he might be lying about that. This could be a cardboard box." < 1284669631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trekkin' / Over the Universe / Boldly move forwards / Since we can not find reverse! < 1284669636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Dear student, The University is launching a new website with revised content and a fresh new design. The purpose of the new site is to communicate to our external audiences in a clear and consistent manner. You will be able to see it next week when it launches overnight on 20 September. The main website address will change to www.birmingham.ac.uk. < 1284669643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any bets on how much of a disaster this will be? < 1284669653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, you will lose data rapidly on your disk right now < 1284669657 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fresh new disaster < 1284669657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i bet it will be a disaster; how much is the bet worth? < 1284669665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think it'll be a disaster too < 1284669668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we both need someone to bet against < 1284669671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: darn < 1284669676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's bet against fungot < 1284669676 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: sorry, i misread. :) trying tho! lol < 1284669682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, too illiterate < 1284669693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how can you make a disaster with a website? < 1284669698 0 :Sgeo|web_!897d290d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.41.13 JOIN :#esoteric < 1284669700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, anyway from linux you could spin down by hdparm -Y. And making sure smartd or anything else that might try to access the hd is NOT RUNNING < 1284669708 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, status update. < 1284669709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Tror du hela kanal bör vara på svenska? < 1284669710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web, from windows you are fscked < 1284669727 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Status update: I am on a school computer < 1284669734 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth is going on? < 1284669745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, why would you want to spin down a hard-drive without shutting it down, except to save power or something? < 1284669747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Sgeo|web_ dropped his computer. < 1284669748 0 :Sgeo|web!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1284669755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ouch < 1284669760 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a lot of stuff is now screwed. < 1284669779 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, proper computers will unload drive head < 1284669783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the hard drive actually crash? < 1284669786 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have been telling him to turn the effing disk off to stop it from destroying what survives. < 1284669799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, IIRC if you cut the power to a hard drive, it uses its own rotational energy as a generator to park the drive heads < 1284669812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he dropped it, tried to boot it a load of times, booted a linux livecd -- this all took two days or so < 1284669814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm not sure if they /all/ do that < 1284669815 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, we do not know if Sgeo is using a proper computer. < 1284669815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, no one opened and checked. MBR is readable, but it can't book < 1284669817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot* < 1284669818 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo|web, listen to Vorpal. The longer your HD is in the computer, the less your chances of salvaging any data become. < 1284669820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now his harddrive is probably utterly irrecoverable and he's being slow to stop the disk < 1284669821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: hm, ok < 1284669822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and not readable from other computer < 1284669824 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that point, it was already off < 1284669836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Any one made in the last, oh, 20 years or so. < 1284669845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to make a hard-drive theoretically unrecoverable, but after a while it reaches the point where you need an electron microscope to get the data off < 1284669877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think dropping in something hot enough to melt the platters might do the trick < 1284669884 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if molten iron is hot enough < 1284669892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there are ways < 1284669902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blowtorch? < 1284669903 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it takes a lot of effort, they're not the sort of thing you're likely to do by mistake < 1284669910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You need it to be hot enough to scramble the magnetic domains. < 1284669912 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, would not be as well stired < 1284669912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throwing it at one of the LHC's magnets? < 1284669933 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION desires solid state storage
< 1284669934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firing it at a sunspot? < 1284669943 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huge magnetic field, very hot. < 1284669945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about hot enough to melt it, say a math of magma, and then stiring the whole thing well for an hour? < 1284669950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stirring* < 1284669957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's well above hot enough. < 1284669975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah, is a bath of molten iron hot enough? < 1284669983 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, think terminator 2, final scene < 1284669985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1284669996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not think Vorpal would have seen terminator. < 1284669998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what the magnetic material is... < 1284670013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. Melting point of iron is 1538 C... < 1284670015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, C-INTERCAL's been removed from Debian, they can't find a maintainer < 1284670021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll maintain it! < 1284670023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I only seen one of them, terminator 2 < 1284670026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* that's going to be above the Curie temperature for anything. < 1284670030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you run and tell them that i'll maintain it. < 1284670037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect a salary < 1284670043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you're a debian maintainer... < 1284670059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far above. < 1284670065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I CAN BE! < 1284670075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1284670078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BTW, the easier way to pull this off is Thermite. < 1284670085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh? < 1284670089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lowercase that. < 1284670133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Thermite is not hard to make and *really* hot. < 1284670145 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, describe the situation so we actually know what's going on, < 1284670156 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah yes think I seen a video of it < 1284670157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Better: Termite < 1284670159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let them eat at it < 1284670162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, periodic videos or such < 1284670164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've dropped the computer, yes? < 1284670168 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1284670169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust + aluminium. Apply blowtorch. < 1284670173 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it was running < 1284670183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the hard drive, when read, shows no partitions etc < 1284670186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: have you ever wanted a program for easy unix-pipeline screenscraping? no? why not?! < 1284670188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you boot from it? < 1284670199 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MBR starts < 1284670205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dissolving the platters in acid such that they're no longer magnetic works < 1284670205 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, new information from today: < 1284670211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: script? ttyrec? tpipe? < 1284670212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no partitions = mbr fucked, boots to boot loader = mbr not fucked < 1284670214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what you mean < 1284670215 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sense = 0 < 1284670217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Burns up to about 2500°C. < 1284670221 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, right < 1284670224 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend tried a script he wrote that does ddrescue stuff < 1284670227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: screen-scraping in the web sense < 1284670236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lynx --dump? < 1284670238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, you give it a URL and some sort of syntax to extract things from the page, and it spits them out on stdout < 1284670238 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was taking too long, and I wasn't willing to leave the laptop at the school over the weekend < 1284670239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, this could easily spell doom. < 1284670243 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl? < 1284670249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good luck isolating "every other link" with lynx --dump < 1284670249 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of about 5gbs, 1gb was corrupted < 1284670265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But it was taking too long, and I wasn't willing to leave the laptop at the school over the weekend <-- so run it at home with another computer < 1284670267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the host < 1284670284 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think, preferably, not using this friend's script < 1284670287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: With ~~!!scrape(1)!!~~, it's $ scrape http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/ 'a:nth-child(even)' < 1284670291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how well dd on an unmounted external hard-drive works on Windows < 1284670295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, so very severe damage? Vorpal, comment. < 1284670297 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, but read ddrescue manual < 1284670310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I've used Perl before for that sort of thing; with a few CPAN libraries, it's not /quite/ that simple, but close < 1284670313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well he should have not touched it until he could run ddrescue as the first thing < 1284670315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no booting < 1284670317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ah, but scrape has more features! < 1284670320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1284670325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to tell < 1284670326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: than CPAN? < 1284670331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, in a simple syntax. < 1284670333 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even theoreticlaly possible? < 1284670361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: -content/-text print out just the HTML innards rather than the outer tag, and the whole contents with markup removed, respectively. -xpath uses XPath instead of CSS selectors. < 1284670363 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The script is supposed to use a large block size for speed, then smaller for the errors, iirc < 1284670366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They apply to the next pattern.) < 1284670370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can read any URL! Probably! < 1284670378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can give it more than one selector, though why, I'm unsure. < 1284670408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, basically, do what Vorpal says: get a disk image as soon as possible, and FFS *don't use the disk until then*. < 1284670411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I've had a hard-drive break "unrecoverably" on me before (there was a power supply error) < 1284670419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but in general Sgeo seems to act stupidly when it comes to these sort of things. I mean when I got hw issues on one disk in my RAID 1 setup (random spin down when reading, any smart scan while it happened "forgotten"), the first one I thought was a random fluke, second time I wasn't at the computer, but as soon as I got back I failed the array and turned off < 1284670458 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and use ddrescue to get the disk image, but you really want to read the whole manual first < 1284670466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since otherwise you will use ddrescue in a bad way < 1284670477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to provide a log file parameter to use < 1284670478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also planning to let you select, e.g. an attribute to print out. < 1284670484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it's not idiocy, just not knowing the correct procedure and doing obvious things that are harmful. < 1284670494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, otherwise you can't have a second go with smaller block size < 1284670496 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the failed areas < 1284670514 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost a bit of data, but mostly I restored from backup < 1284670537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggestion: log + default settings on first attempt, then rerun with smaller block size and possibly non-cached access using the log file < 1284670545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will attempt to re-read failed areas < 1284670549 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's what the script is supposed to do < 1284670594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, don't use the disk, until you are able to rescue it. External cabinet recommended to cut down on time spent running while live cd boots < 1284670603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ scrape http://reddit.com/ -text a.title # most pointless command-line ever < 1284670606 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the manual, it automatically tries what you are suggesting < 1284670616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, unicode error. < 1284670623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, I'm pretty sure the log file is not used by default < 1284670624 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, at least, according to my interpretation < 1284670627 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1284670634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, which you need < 1284670644 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So use the logfile, and you didn';t mean taht I have to manually use smaller block sizes for errors < 1284670651 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will do everything by itself < 1284670660 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No insane scripts that contain scripts that modify themselves < 1284670663 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/manual/ddrescue_manual.html#Examples < 1284670705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, notice double invocation of ddrescue there < 1284670711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ddrescue -f -n /dev/hda /dev/hdb logfile < 1284670711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ddrescue -d -f -r3 /dev/hda /dev/hdb logfile < 1284670726 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that one will copy to another disk < 1284670732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, not to an image file < 1284670746 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want to copy to an image file instead < 1284670775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :image file on /what/? < 1284670803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, on a partition on a larger disk < 1284670805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1284670812 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that is the most sensible way < 1284670827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, since it was a laptop disk I doubt it is 1.5 TB < 1284670837 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100GB < 1284670844 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of it used < 1284670853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, used or not won't matter here < 1284670858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be the full 100 GB needed < 1284670865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no less no more < 1284670885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes 100 GB fits easily onto most desktop drives of 4 years ago even < 1284670920 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck it would even fit on a semi-modern laptop drive. 250 GB or such is common for laptops these days < 1284670944 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thinkpad is a year old and has 200 GB unless I misremember < 1284671194 0 :trinithis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284671340 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this whole summer onwards I have not been at my best < 1284671433 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, YOU ARE TOO OLD < 1284671442 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21? Nearly dead! < 1284671468 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wondering if maybe I'd prefer computer repair to programming < 1284671476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hey you < 1284671483 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I tend to like debugging more than writing code, for instance < 1284671509 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... I think this whole incident means I should perhaps stick with code < 1284671511 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've been wondering if maybe I'd prefer computer repair to programming <-- um, considering recent events I would definitely turn in the door and go to a competitor :P < 1284671514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, surely 90% of professional programming is program maintentance? < 1284671553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes, we need higher level processors, move GC to hardware < 1284671559 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it won't be like that < 1284671580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware gc <3 < 1284671591 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would that work? < 1284671604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've been wondering if maybe I'd prefer computer repair to programming <-- wow, professional programming is uncreative enough! < 1284671615 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, surely a little risky? < 1284671620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: moving gc to hw doesn't end maintenance though :P < 1284671625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: obvs you only do it on a lisp processor or similar < 1284671630 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when someone invents the Magic GC we want? < 1284671646 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have tonnes of computers which we can't improve. < 1284671665 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mana-based garbage collection... < 1284671679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What about when someone figures out a better way of executing Lisp in hardware? < 1284671683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not upgradable, either. < 1284671697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it in writable microcode i guess :P < 1284671699 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, true, but still... < 1284671706 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if Factor can be efficiently run on a Lisp machine
< 1284671714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSDIFJOISDJFDSF < 1284671717 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, SHUT UP ABOUT FACTOR PLEASE < 1284671717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP TALKING ABOUT FACTOR < 1284671723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a Sgeo-meme, it's just irritating! < 1284671732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only say something about it if you have an actual comment! please! < 1284671746 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I allowed to talk about Mixfix? < 1284671755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1284671759 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1284671760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1284671761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: moving gc to hw doesn't end maintenance though :P <-- it's a magical cure for everything! < 1284671761 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too Agda-y! < 1284671762 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it must < 1284671763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's actually interesting < 1284671767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's his language < 1284671772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should be multifix < 1284671776 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1284671779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not mixfix < 1284671788 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, multifix then < 1284671793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mixfix is Agda's crazy way of doing it, yes? < 1284671800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before you claim I'm trying to ridicule the concept: no, I'm just being silly in general) < 1284671802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that crazy. < 1284671813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coq's system is better, but even crazier. < 1284671818 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Agda do? < 1284671823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh yes, just write out the syntax with spaces and it'll work!" < 1284671827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_: things < 1284671829 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixfix < 1284671832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse into a list of tokens then match against things like if_then_else_ < 1284671833 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, it's a dependent language that thinks it's a theorem prover. < 1284671848 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_: you will fall in love with it now < 1284671855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's wrong, before you get started. < 1284671877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_: I have here a stinking turd. < 1284671881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is executable. < 1284671901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the turd Agda? < 1284671988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It is a turd. I made it myself. < 1284672010 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you chmod 755'ed it. eww. < 1284672011 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, anyway; it wants to be a proof assistant, but it lacks various things that you really need to get a nice proof assistant. < 1284672030 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a tactic language. < 1284672039 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a well-designed proof kernel. < 1284672063 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a safe place to put my HD when I take it out of the laptop? < 1284672067 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, was it agda you said you didn't understand? or was it coq? I remember it was one of them < 1284672117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i am amateur-alright with coq i.e. i know it but could never prove anything substantial or even medium in it (like most people :P) < 1284672128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda i know the language but cannot understand why it's so stupid < 1284672136 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a totally cryptic visualization for you: http://zem.fi/~fis/alise_vs_vorpal.png < 1284672144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the stdlib is basically 99% random unicode characters picked because they look vaguely related to the operation < 1284672146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even just at random < 1284672148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the language being stupid? < 1284672149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1284672155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, heh < 1284672178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so what is something like "length of list"? unicode snowman? < 1284672178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zvCUmeoHpw <-- awesome < 1284672191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no their list library is like 40 lines long because that's not boring and abstract enough < 1284672203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I can give examples. < 1284672212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, haha < 1284672215 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, go on < 1284672222 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if they are about crazy < 1284672236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOO, I ^Led away my channel view! < 1284672256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, eh? < 1284672265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, List.agda. < 1284672277 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why exactly is that comet displaying cracks with magma? < 1284672283 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :∷ is the cons operator. < 1284672287 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ::, note. < 1284672302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is too easy to type. < 1284672302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hm? < 1284672308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not too weird so far, a bit pretentious I would say < 1284672320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly linked it for how well the music matches it :) < 1284672328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :∷ʳ is an operator for appending. < 1284672334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for something from about 30 years prior to the video < 1284672339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not made for the music) < 1284672366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's an asteroid :P < 1284672397 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :∷ʳ' is a *type constructor* < 1284672406 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what the type is for. < 1284672417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Tell him the coinduction syntax! < 1284672424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah that video is not really realistic < 1284672427 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. < 1284672444 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coinduction is not performed through the sane method Coq uses. < 1284672453 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, they got the scale of that hit very wrong. Not astroid there, most be planetoid < 1284672457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but it is pretty < 1284672465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_≈⟨_⟩_ : ∀ x {y z} → x ≈ y → y IsRelatedTo z → x IsRelatedTo z < 1284672465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ ≈⟨ x≈y ⟩ relTo y∼z = relTo (trans (reflexive x≈y) y∼z) < 1284672465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1284672467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an infinity operator which makes a type coinductive. < 1284672468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, without the # < 1284672487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Normal : (n : ℕ) → Polynomial n → Set (r₁ ⊔ r₂ ⊔ r₃) where < 1284672488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : con : (c : C.Carrier) → Normal 0 (con c) < 1284672488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : _↑ : ∀ {n p'} (p : Normal n p') → Normal (suc n) (p' :↑ 1) < 1284672488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : _*x+_ : ∀ {n p' c'} (p : Normal (suc n) p') (c : Normal n c') → < 1284672488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Normal (suc n) (p' :* var zero :+ c' :↑ 1) < 1284672488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : _∶_ : ∀ {n p₁ p₂} (p : Normal n p₁) (eq : p₁ ≛ p₂) → Normal n p₂ < 1284672492 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and I don't think land will be torn up that cleanly like it they were just a texture :P < 1284672502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the *musical sharp sign* is used to lift a value into its coinductive type. < 1284672509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, XD < 1284672512 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The flat sign is used for the converse. < 1284672518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Rec {a} (A : ∞ (Set a)) : Set a where < 1284672518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fold : ♭ A → Rec A < 1284672528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The builtins: < 1284672530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :postulate < 1284672530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ∞ : ∀ {a} (A : Set a) → Set a < 1284672530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ♯_ : ∀ {a} {A : Set a} → A → ∞ A < 1284672530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ♭ : ∀ {a} {A : Set a} → ∞ A → A) < 1284672539 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So *you cannot tell easily* whether a function is coinductive or not. < 1284672546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to find that wonderfu lthing < 1284672553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, now it went over my head < 1284672556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to look for infinity signs. < 1284672564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: when quantifying on levels you have to use ℓ < 1284672568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? because ascii is too easy < 1284672583 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Coq and Agda are strongly-normalising; recursion is very carefully restricted. < 1284672585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type-signature : ∀ {a} (A : Set a) → A → A < 1284672585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type-signature A x = x < 1284672585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax type-signature A x = x ∶ A < 1284672588 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, and here I am wondering why Agda overloaded ? for so many purposes < 1284672589 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284672589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey they added syntax definition < 1284672599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: :D < 1284672620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -‿homo : Homomorphic₁ ⟦_⟧ F.-_ T.-_ < 1284672620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -‿homo x = < 1284672620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : GroupP.left-inverse-unique T.+-group ⟦ F.-_ x ⟧ ⟦ x ⟧ (begin < 1284672620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : T._+_ ⟦ F.-_ x ⟧ ⟦ x ⟧ ≈⟨ T.sym (+-homo (F.-_ x) x) ⟩ < 1284672620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⟦ F._+_ (F.-_ x) x ⟧ ≈⟨ ⟦⟧-cong (proj₁ F.-‿inverse x) ⟩ < 1284672621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ⟦ F.0# ⟧ ≈⟨ 0-homo ⟩ < 1284672622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : T.0# ∎) < 1284672624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a proof in Agda. < 1284672627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it does not make any more sense once you know Agda. < 1284672629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAA < 1284672633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I can say is "no homo". < 1284672644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS why are they using underbars < 1284672652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ties < 1284672662 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of unicode at your fingertips and you picked UNDERBARS? < 1284672672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh they use ... instead of ellipsis < 1284672675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug! < 1284672677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, :D < 1284672689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there anything below codepoint 127 at all < 1284672690 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; underscores are strictly forbidden in Agda syntax. < 1284672703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not true < 1284672705 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They indicate where the arguments actually go. < 1284672706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are there in the declarations < 1284672709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if_then_else_ < 1284672712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: only for operators < 1284672714 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth and falsehood are the first two higher spirits < 1284672716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not values < 1284672716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I meant. < 1284672732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ≈⇔≈′-set : ∀ {c} {C : Container c} {X : Set c} (xs ys : ⟦ C ⟧ X) → < 1284672732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : xs ≈[ set ] ys ⇔ xs ≈[ set ]′ ys < 1284672748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :×◇⇿◇◇× : ∀ {c} {C₁ C₂ : Container c} < 1284672749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {X Y} {P : X → Set c} {Q : Y → Set c} < 1284672749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : {xs : ⟦ C₁ ⟧ X} {ys : ⟦ C₂ ⟧ Y} → < 1284672749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ◇ (λ x → ◇ (λ y → P x × Q y) ys) xs ⇿ (◇ P xs × ◇ Q ys) < 1284672756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, ×◇⇿◇◇× is an ACTUAL DEFINED NAME. < 1284672763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1284672763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not shitting you. No, it is not displaying incorrectly (unless it's question marks). < 1284672765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT FILE < 1284672769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that's just the type signature. < 1284672778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.cs.nott.ac.uk/~nad/listings/lib/Data.Container.Any.html#4950 < 1284672798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think there is a tvtropes entry about not having any sense of scale. And it applies to that youtube video you linked. While a astroid can be huge. It won't be like that. That would be like a dwarf planet hitting us when it comes to the size < 1284672806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Shut up it was cool. < 1284672808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the effects though < 1284672811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was probably meant to be a planetoid. < 1284672823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah so wrong title < 1284672824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's like they looked at mathematical notation and what they took from it was "using lots of strange symbols is good". < 1284672832 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Vorpal: Hey, you guys are *really* similar. Here, let's have a plot of your line lengths, versus an uninterested third party (myself): http://zem.fi/~fis/len.png -- the Y scale is log(frequency) for that length, the X scale is message body length; summed over 2009-01-01 - 2010-08-31 again. < 1284672838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, uhu. < 1284672838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But pretty, nonetheless, and with well-synchronised music. < 1284672856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Clearly, we are soulmates. < 1284672863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, my new compression algo is now beating bz2 on the test file I'm using (a C-INTERCAL tarball) < 1284672867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, alise overlaps you < 1284672871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that length of messages? < 1284672874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1284672878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's still a long way behind lzma < 1284672881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a song line < 1284672882 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, alise overlaps you at the end < 1284672885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alise, alise overlaps you!" < 1284672899 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, we hope you now understand why Agda sucks. < 1284672899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, mistab < 1284672901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: describe it? < 1284672905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no there's more < 1284672918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ƛ-/✶-↑✶ : ∀ k {m n t} (ρs : Subs T m n) → < 1284672918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ƛ t /✶ ρs ↑✶ k ≡ ƛ (t /✶ ρs ↑✶ suc k) < 1284672919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my graph looks oddly flat at the bottom for some part < 1284672921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ·-/✶-↑✶ : ∀ k {m n t₁ t₂} (ρs : Subs T m n) → < 1284672921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : t₁ · t₂ /✶ ρs ↑✶ k ≡ (t₁ /✶ ρs ↑✶ k) · (t₂ /✶ ρs ↑✶ k) < 1284672927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, same for the other ones < 1284672932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic idea is to build the original data into a tree < 1284672935 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is that lambda-bar? < 1284672936 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then deduplicate the tree < 1284672939 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when they get 300+ < 1284672940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Something like that! < 1284672952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is happening there < 1284672955 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, should we even *start* on proofs? < 1284672960 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting off with a binary tree, but optimising it into an n-ary tree < 1284672962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have a wonderful one. < 1284672967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's too sm--) < 1284673003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and what is up with the peak for alise at a bit over 450? Full length lines resulting in line break? < 1284673007 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's probably when the absolute counts of occurrences of particular lengths go to 0. It's at different Y height because the fraction of count "1" depends on how many messages there have been in total. < 1284673012 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, to those unfamiliar with proof assistants: < 1284673012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: likely < 1284673015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i paste a lot < 1284673021 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, peaking at the end is probably because of the IRC length limits. < 1284673038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coq gives a tactic language to help you transform propositions to assist proof. < 1284673043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the major issue is to find an efficient way to encode the resulting tree < 1284673061 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda requires you to construct proof functions *by hand*. < 1284673062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I wonder why mine ends earlier? I mean, I know I have sent lines that got broken over several < 1284673075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Untrue! There is a program that's basically type signature -> term. :P < 1284673078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that helps much. < 1284673086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have a shorter name? < 1284673087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Maybe your automatic line-breaker is playing it safe rather than sorry? < 1284673089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I get to fit more in. < 1284673091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that. < 1284673099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1284673101 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, re that video: < 1284673103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a c combination < 1284673110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ c // < 1284673112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1284673121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/acomb/a comb/ < 1284673124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1284673127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all right, except that it's a dwarf planet, not an asteroid, and there aren't any tidal forces. < 1284673128 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/s/s/\/\//\/ \// < 1284673136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1284673164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no you must sed the regex < 1284673170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using / < 1284673173 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AnMaster!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/AnMaster" (which is what many of those lines probably had) *is* quite a bit longer than "alise!~alise@[ip here]", that's true. < 1284673182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1284673197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should change my ident I guess < 1284673203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1284673261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, applying some sort of smoothing function might be interesting to make it easier to actually interpret the data in the noisy areas < 1284673293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could fit some sort of mixture-model distribution there, that might make sense. < 1284673300 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also do such plots for everyone of the top speakers in here, then try to match up people :D < 1284673309 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also added ais523 to the plot, though it's in danger of getting seriously crowded. < 1284673317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like, what about you and oerjan? Or ais523 or oerjan? < 1284673319 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what post? < 1284673338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, some sort of distribution of irc line length http://zem.fi/~fis/len.png < 1284673343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, see that url < 1284673363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to #esoteric, the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1284673369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic was too long for me to see the link to the logs < 1284673370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and ais523 is significantly different from you and me < 1284673379 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um. /topic < 1284673380 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I should probably make some sort of interactive thing where you can choose the names and get a customized plot, but not today. < 1284673382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should give it to you < 1284673389 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1284673397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that would be awesome. Is it fast enough for that? < 1284673413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know how to get the full topic, how do you think I shortened it? < 1284673415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also what is "mixture-model distribution"? < 1284673424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so why shorten it? < 1284673432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to help in future < 1284673436 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhu < 1284673443 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I could precalc the counts for everyone (or at least top 100 or so), then the actual displaying would be fast enough. < 1284673457 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true < 1284673527 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And mixture-model distribution is just something where you take a random variable X with a probability K from distribution D1, and with (1-K) from distribution D2; it's a nice way of fitting parametric distributions to something that doesn't quite follow a "real" distribution (Gaussian, gamma, exponential, whatever). < 1284673544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In general case there can of course be more than two components.) < 1284673547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284673586 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a bit hard on those end bits though < 1284673614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now I'm lost in logreading < 1284673619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do that more often, #esoteric has great logs < 1284673643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to see Quintopia here < 1284673644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it s a lot more well defined near the base. Maybe something that extrapolates missing data or something, if that makes any sense < 1284673653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Quintopia? < 1284673662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user on Esolang < 1284673692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284673701 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for that debate about the ironic Comic Sans T-shirt < 1284673711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find a font that looks like Comic Sans to most people, but isn't < 1284673713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use that < 1284673714 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just today we had a Intel guy talking about modeling long-tailed distributions (in network traffic anomaly detection) with a two-component mixture of Pareto and exponential distributions, especially to handle that tail end of rare events well. (That's where I sort of got the idea from.) < 1284673739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, haha :) < 1284673825 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284673831 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: random insane idea: use powers of 1012 for measurements, in order to help silence the kB/KiB debate < 1284673852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be about right no matter what measurement system you're used to < 1284673918 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will also be somewhat wrong in all cases, too. < 1284673935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION curses at US labor laws
< 1284673943 0 :Flonk_!~chatzilla@80-123-41-6.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1284673952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, then. Anyone want to guess how many days off a US employer must give to employees? < 1284673959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the state < 1284673981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nice guess, but actually wrong. < 1284674000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think there probably are states with stricter laws on this than federal laws < 1284674012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that they differ on things like notice requirements < 1284674028 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284674028 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 20 per year? < 1284674040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my next guess would be 0, or maybe 1 < 1284674040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Try lower. < 1284674046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that was a low one < 1284674048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 0 it is! < 1284674065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, why would you agree to an employment contract that didn't give you at least some time off? < 1284674071 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1284674075 0 :Flonk_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Flonk < 1284674083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you familiar with the concept of "wage slavery"? < 1284674104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm aware with the original meaning, but it doesn't seem likely to apply nowadays < 1284674145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's when you somehow cause someone to owe you a lot of money, then offer them a job and accommodation to help pay it back, charge for the accommodation such that the amount they owe you doesn't actually go /down/ < 1284674168 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the whole thing ends up being equivalent to slavery, but more legal < 1284674230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Many Americans have actually gotten themselves in a similar situation. < 1284674249 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders whether to write "Journey to Alpha Centauri" for real.
< 1284674250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays, there's the option of claiming bankruptcy, which is probably preferable to slavery < 1284674269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because people are morons, back to debt! < 1284674293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or because they're under student loans, which cannot be bankrupt upon) < 1284674298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, really? < 1284674302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes really. < 1284674306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, it's pretty much the opposite < 1284674320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you manage to live until retirement age and somehow still haven't managed to pay off your student loan, it's written off < 1284674372 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, it would crash into the limit for a 64-bit clock too early. < 1284674382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what would? < 1284674383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it's paid the same way as tax is, thus unless you move abroad or something like that, it's basically impossible to fail to pay it off if you can afford to) < 1284674403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Phantom_Hoover wonders whether to write "Journey to Alpha Centauri" for real. <-- what was/is that < 1284674418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, game from one of Pratchett's books. < 1284674436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nearly impossible to get out of student loans without just paying them off in the US... < 1284674463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee. Permanent and total disability. < 1284674483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Courtesy of the "bankruptcy reform" bill of 2005. < 1284674490 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shows a little white dot on the screen, and if you wait for 2 million years or so, the dot fills the screen, and it shows a message saying "You have reached Alpha Centauri. Now go home." < 1284674499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Maybe you should just play a few games of Desert Bus and see if it cures you of that idea. < 1284674521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could effectively get rid of them by taking out a loan to get the money to pay them off, then defaulting on that loan, but it seems a pretty bad idea < 1284674538 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as nobody should sanely offer you that loan in the first place < 1284674538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh Johnny books? < 1284674545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I seem to remember it now < 1284674552 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the advantage of that over Desert Bus is that at least you don't have to be at the controller all that time < 1284674572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sane loan offers? The US? HAH! < 1284674592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: Maybe you should just play a few games of Desert Bus and see if it cures you of that idea. <-- desert bus? < 1284674600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Until recently, people were taking out 4th mortgages. I wish I were joking. < 1284674635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, and just about any moron with the ability to breath can get a bunch of credit cards. Still. < 1284674658 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: See something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Bus -- but to summarize, you drive a bus for 8 hours, continuously, at a straight road with no other traffic, and the bus veers slightly so that you can't just tape the gas button down. < 1284674677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :America: the nation of morons. < 1284674677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, would I be wrong to assume that you are active in politics? < 1284674683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not wrong at all. < 1284674718 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought the US system screwed anyone more than very moderately left? < 1284674746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hell, screws anyone not right. < 1284674767 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, indeed. < 1284674780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it and I'd like out of the crazy-go-round please. < 1284674805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the fuss over something as simple as Obama's healthcare bill. < 1284674842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dear God Japan has more liberal labor laws. And these guys have overworking as a major *cause of death*) < 1284674877 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that's primarily cultural, isn't it? < 1284674881 0 :trinithis!~trinithis@99-7-56-119.lightspeed.davlca.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284674894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, yes. < 1284674904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese corporate culture is... Kinda stupid. < 1284674913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought so. < 1284674923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Work all day, drink all night, fuck having any life outside of work!" < 1284674923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to query Japanese Friend.
< 1284674952 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1284675040 0 :Sgeo|web_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1284675048 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese Friend agrees with pikhq. < 1284675164 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hah < 1284675179 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the discussion of labor laws, I assumed Desert Bus was a job rather than a video game. < 1284675210 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the non-stop Phoenix-Las Vegas-Los Angeles run, or something. < 1284675229 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, i guess having Vegas in the middle means there is ONE stop. OK. < 1284675258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/DT2eQ.gif Seriously. The fuck? < 1284675298 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1284675316 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MADNESS < 1284675374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there's categories of employees exempt from overtime laws. < 1284675412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAt < 1284675416 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples? < 1284675444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Administrative, professional and executive employees". < 1284675469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, white collar jobs. < 1284675559 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I would have expected some sane list like "nuclear reactor workers in case of emergency, or if everyone else on the other shift died" < 1284675583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar for firefighters and so on < 1284675588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case of emergencies < 1284675602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than the majority of workers? < 1284675613 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah < 1284675629 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so these people don't get paid overtime? < 1284675632 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what? < 1284675664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are not required to be paid overtime. < 1284675677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, in fact, could be required to work, say, 24 hours a day. < 1284675748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm. Unpaid for this overtime? < 1284675749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1284675768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1284675773 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284675800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Salary. < 1284675803 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yup, that's me < 1284675823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the employer loses on it, sleep deprived workers are less efficient < 1284675826 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is an illusion in corporate america < 1284675855 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, wrong. Corporate US. < 1284675859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, exempt employees are *also* exempt from minimum wage laws. < 1284675860 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :America is a lot more than just US < 1284675908 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the phrase is "corporate america" whether you think it's wrong or not. no one says "corporate US". < 1284675934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so what about South America? Mexico? Canada? < 1284675956 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're being ridiculously pedantic here < 1284676003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. I'm being non-US-centric < 1284676051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, "ridiculously pedantic" would include Panama and so on in the North America list apart from Mexico and Canada. < 1284676052 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: then at least be pedantic enough to call it "USA", not "US". < 1284676062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not sure about Panama, but some small countries < 1284676076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, indeed I would in Swedish. Everyone says USA about USA here < 1284676147 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check and mate! < 1284676172 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-165-42.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284676176 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1284676176 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1284676185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm? Chess reference? < 1284676380 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What? Why would I make a reference to the game of chess? What possible relevance could that have to anything? < 1284676390 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1284676417 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what did you mean by that then < 1284676473 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "i pawned you" < 1284676566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, :D < 1284676587 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm btw, I think this line contains a chess reference < 1284676591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I remember correctly < 1284676612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, can you spot it? < 1284676623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is worthy of oerjan < 1284676640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prods GreaseMonkey
< 1284676645 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1284676659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, "En passant (from French: in passing)", in passing, by the way < 1284676660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284676661 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/mods/milky_makes_me_feel.mod < 1284676664 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1284676794 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/mods/milky_makes_me_feel.mod <-- augh please include a warning like "this is not something that Gregor would have composed" :P < 1284676817 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was done for a one hour compo < 1284676828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, besides you do something strange with left/right channel, sounds like optimised for speakers, rather than headphones < 1284676832 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you want something more cheerful: http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/mods/gm-poo.it < 1284676839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there is no sound of the opposite side on the other end < 1284676847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which soulds horrible in headphones < 1284676858 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what are you using to play it? < 1284676866 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mikmod hard-pans < 1284676871 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think libmodplug soft-pans it < 1284676871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, vlc < 1284676875 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is libmodplug < 1284676881 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, is the package in arch < 1284676886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't feel like compiling anything < 1284676888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even AUR < 1284676888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atm < 1284676904 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in: vlc, which is libmodplug. < 1284676910 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, hm okay < 1284676920 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :milkytracker normally softpans too AFAIK < 1284676947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, so vlc should soft pan? < 1284676952 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically < 1284676972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, okay. Well it doesn't for me. Besides can't you set that in the file? < 1284676985 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing with the .mod format is it's always L/R/R/L < 1284676993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, I'm pretty sure MIDI has some 127-step pan value or such < 1284676996 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not more < 1284677018 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .it format has 65 steps (0 through 64, 32 being centre) as well as "surround" (flip right channel) < 1284677023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/mods/gm-poo.it at least doesn't hard pan < 1284677034 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, but not my style either < 1284677040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, I prefer acoustic :) < 1284677077 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of gm-poo.it (it's an edited 1hc entry) was to make it incredibly cheesy < 1284677079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, love violins played solo. < 1284677102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :letting them just form strings in the background is a sad waste of the capability < 1284677108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, and yes it is < 1284677132 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, btw what is 1hc? < 1284677138 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one hour compo < 1284677146 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aka "fast music" in other places. < 1284677146 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(competition, usually) < 1284677148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, so it plays in a loop for 1 hour or what? < 1284677155 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's made in an hour < 1284677156 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have one hour time to make the thing. < 1284677157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284677165 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you plan ahead? < 1284677188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually they give out samples or chords or something that you're supposed to use, to show that it's made after those were released. < 1284677196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But of course you can prepare.) < 1284677196 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess but you can't guarantee that you have the right samples for it < 1284677212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284677214 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't actually bash the pattern data in beforehand < 1284677241 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, but you can think of a general melody and so on < 1284677255 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/mods/gm-pond.it is kinda fun, if you don't like drums then try muting channels 08 through 11 < 1284677260 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a hex editor? < 1284677275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, I have emacs :P < 1284677288 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, I'm pretty sure I used some hex mode in it before < 1284677301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I have bless, which is some semi-crappy gnome based hex editor < 1284677319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And dd. < 1284677323 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x0088: change 40 40 40 40 to 00 00 00 00 < 1284677330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and ed! < 1284677353 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, M-x hexl-mode < 1284677353 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got khexedit and hexedit on this < 1284677355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, especially zeroing will be easy with just dd. < 1284677412 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're concerned about electric, imagine it's an acoustic bass (it could well be actually) < 1284677424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, and I have nothing against drums in general. Only because that would leave no way to describe the hate I feel for organs in general and church organs in particular < 1284677437 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1284677446 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmkay < 1284677467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, and electric guitar is fine as long as there is absolutely no overdrive or other screech noises < 1284677504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, still sounds very electronic. Nothing like an acoustic recording < 1284677524 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmkay < 1284677526 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, you would need some rather low end earbuds to not hear the difference :P < 1284677545 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, can you guess the instruments? < 1284677558 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one may be a flute < 1284677571 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, samples, i should say < 1284677583 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: this is your .mod? < 1284677595 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah < 1284677596 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, wrt playback device: I'm using Beyerdynamics DT150 Studio Monitoring headphones (circumaural of course) < 1284677617 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: nice. i don't think i could write anything in just an hour < 1284677625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, so far from those hypothetical crappy earbuds < 1284677635 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284677635 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are "noise-cancelling" ones < 1284677636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, and to me those sound like various rather electronic instruments < 1284677647 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one's a duck quack < 1284677656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, not sampled? < 1284677660 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw gm-poo.it actually had pads added < 1284677669 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think it was but it's looped < 1284677676 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : GreaseMonkey, "En passant (from French: in passing)", in passing, by the way < 1284677687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, well it sounds incredibly electronic to me :P < 1284677690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you think _btw_ counts as a chess reference? < 1284677696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes! < 1284677704 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is _not_ a pun worthy of me, in fact it's sheer idiocy < 1284677706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, rather far fetched one yes < 1284677714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but yes worthy of yoy < 1284677717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you* < 1284677722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of joy < 1284677725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Vorpal -----###
< 1284677730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps of yoy too < 1284677742 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this is the original 1hc version of gm-poo.it for comparison: http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/mods/pootastic.it < 1284677742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does not like the direction of recent pun discussions :D
< 1284677752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yoyo! < 1284677767 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there aren't any pads) < 1284677782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, pads being? < 1284677791 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the way i used those "strings" < 1284677797 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, soft sounding chords < 1284677803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, which sort of string instruments < 1284677812 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, they sounded good as pads < 1284677814 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1284677861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, also sounds incredibly artificial to me :P < 1284677943 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this features a vacuum cleaner sample fed through resonant filters: http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/mods/vactopia.it < 1284677946 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, I have heard a few mod files (or .it or whatever, that family of file formats anyway) that sounded similar to real acoustic. But note _similar_. Still not the same. < 1284677964 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, like alternative_samba.mod ? < 1284677983 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, never heard of that. I think it was game music for some open source game < 1284678003 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmkay < 1284678015 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blobwars or old old supertux perhaps? Or perhaps some completely different game < 1284678018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1284678037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know both of those I mention used mod style files < 1284678048 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supertux switched to ogg later on < 1284678080 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the guys imported old music and rewrote it in rosegarden and used high quality soundfonts to render it to good *.ogg < 1284678087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounded a lot better < 1284678093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think it can't have been from that < 1284678158 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/butts/gm-trance.vgm <-- WIP done for sega master system < 1284678175 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you want a VGM player: http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/stuff/vgmplay.py.txt < 1284678176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, "http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/mods/vactopia.it" <-- I can't discover any vacuum cleaner < 1284678187 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1284678205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGM? < 1284678207 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that < 1284678221 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-165-42.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1284678221 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1284678222 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1284678227 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong window focusd < 1284678229 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*focused < 1284678233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284678239 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't vlc play vgm? < 1284678246 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as I said < 1284678249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : GreaseMonkey, "http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/mods/vactopia.it" <-- I can't discover any vacuum cleaner < 1284678308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, your script, what does it require? < 1284678319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, I have jackd + alsa setup here. < 1284678328 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses ossaudiodev < 1284678329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it need anything crazy like OSS or pulseaudio? < 1284678336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hm compat modules then < 1284678356 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not convinced there's a vacuum cleaner, try listening to it in mikmod < 1284678368 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't support filters) < 1284678375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, I don't have mikmod, nor can I find it in the arch repos < 1284678388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the library is there < 1284678394 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the binary is not < 1284678400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, long live hardware mixer of sb live 5.1, or this would be painful. (oss stuff) < 1284678407 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmkay < 1284678414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1284678430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : does it need anything crazy like OSS or pulseaudio? < 1284678432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSS is not crazy :( < 1284678447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not ossv4 maybe < 1284678470 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284678484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ossv4 is nothing like ossv3 < 1284678484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, that .vgm file sounds very screechy? < 1284678489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it supposed to be that way? < 1284678516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I meant the oss-alsa compat stuff in the vanilla kernel < 1284678529 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's sega master system - 3 square waves and a noise channel (which can also do a very low duty square) < 1284678557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, ah explains the painful sound. Not my style simply. I prefer sine < 1284678562 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :57337 < 1284678563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3579545 < 1284678566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, what was that about < 1284678570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your script printed that < 1284678583 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first is the length of the noise sequence < 1284678594 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second is the PSG base clock < 1284678597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, why would anyone want to play noise? < 1284678607 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because some people like to have drums < 1284678620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, oh fitting description of drums :D < 1284678637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, but more seriously, how do you get drums = noise < 1284678645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like nonsense to me < 1284678646 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noise == white noise < 1284678659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, yes and are drums that? < 1284678674 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but they can be produced to some extent by using it < 1284678687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, your track had no drums though? < 1284678700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This novel is great (so far). < 1284678701 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gm-trance has drums < 1284678711 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's also a WIP) < 1284678730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, didn't sound like ones to me. But then I'm a acoustic fan with high expectations < 1284678739 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeap < 1284678766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's merely a hivemind incident <-- ok _that_ one was worthy of me < 1284678779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, it wasn't a joke < 1284678787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean < 1284678790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the borg reference < 1284678798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, yeah, i only realised that after i said it :D < 1284678976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, if you can reproduce http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Liszt-La_Campanella-Greiss.ogg in one of those mod style formats so it sounds non-artificial I will be impressed < 1284678985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without using just one huge sample or such of course < 1284679033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, there is room for music outside of acoustic performances of classical pieces. < 1284679047 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to Gorillaz
< 1284679049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed. But this was generic challenge < 1284679060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mehhh one or two Gorillaz things are nice enough. < 1284679070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of it's rubbish though. (I haven't actually listened to their latest album though.) < 1284679079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, my tastes are eclectic... < 1284679099 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: their first album is pretty good overall, with some weak points, yes. their later stuff -- not as good. < 1284679100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I love zelda - a link to the past music. Which is not classical acoustic. < 1284679105 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be pulled off as a .it file, not really a .mod file though as it doesn't have enough channels really < 1284679125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, well I'm fine with that :) < 1284679133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah the first is nice ("Rock the House" is fucking awful though) < 1284679143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything after that is patchy < 1284679145 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ack. yes. < 1284679148 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found "shoeshine" irritating < 1284679158 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, but how tricky would reproducing the echos and so on be? < 1284679163 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yay G minor AFAIK < 1284679176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i found "shoeshine" irritating ;; who's this to? < 1284679189 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt gorillaz < 1284679190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, and the use of pedal < 1284679193 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: you mean 19-2000? < 1284679206 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the vampire song, whatever that one's called < 1284679210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either you mean 19-2000 or Starshine :P < 1284679214 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1284679218 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, around 4:30-5:00 it sounds hard even for .it to me < 1284679223 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm no .it expert < 1284679241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the remix of 19-2000 is irritating < 1284679243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original is fine < 1284679255 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1284679262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1284679272 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get echo going really well i'd have to find out how to sample w/o echo < 1284679289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, true, and it's echo from walls and such. < 1284679301 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then feeding it through reverb < 1284679306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, which gives it a lot more natural feeling that most tracker based music < 1284679307 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1284679313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, and what about the sustain pedal? < 1284679341 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's essentially just not doing a note-off when you change notes < 1284679349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, sustain pedal is not like just holding down the key really, it gives resonance in other strings in the piano that would otherwise be dampened < 1284679355 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no it is not the same < 1284679363 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case i could switch samples < 1284679364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unlike brainfuck Brainfuck-- uses 32 binary bits as a way to store memory, the first 8 bits is used with the input/output instruction, the rest can be used for other things." < 1284679371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a real punishment system for publishing dialects like this < 1284679374 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284679397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, hm indeed. would take a lot of samples. And explains why it takes a 72 MB soundfont file to even get halfway decent piano sound. < 1284679403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest taking a hint from bed bugs and institutionalise stab rapes < 1284679405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=1604) < 1284679405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is the smallest soundfont I have around < 1284679415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is piano only < 1284679416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psht mt-32 piano is juust fine < 1284679427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :default mt-32 piano, that is, the beautiful thing about the mt-32 was that it was reprogrammable... < 1284679432 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm not sure Gregor would agree < 1284679437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was joking < 1284679441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, I'm sure he wouldn't < 1284679442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284679446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mt-32 actually predated general midi... < 1284679448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wasn't just a sound card < 1284679455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, mt-32 must have been very early yeah < 1284679459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not THAT early < 1284679464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1987 < 1284679470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1284679471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/05/MT_32.jpg < 1284679473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bigger than it looks there < 1284679475 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i'll have to cover every note < 1284679477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty heavy too < 1284679480 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the piano < 1284679482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was nice, you see that display? < 1284679486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :games often used it to put little messages there < 1284679496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like just the title of the game or whatever, little easter egg for mt-32 users < 1284679499 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i'll have to have several samples per note < 1284679504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since the sounds were programmable and it was all analogue it sounded amazing < 1284679504 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, i'm leaving, cya < 1284679521 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, that is an adaption of a violin piece by Paganini to piano. Liszt adapted it. Whatever it sounds like it is pure piano. < 1284679528 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1284679531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey, the bell like effect is from playing near the top of the piano < 1284679535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1284679549 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hah < 1284679554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, games used that? < 1284679565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1284679571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music from them is unreal < 1284679575 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, must have been expensive < 1284679579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get such a box < 1284679579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was < 1284679582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to play a game < 1284679584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much only the devs and a few crazy people had them < 1284679587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was for more than games ;) < 1284679595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, it was lovely < 1284679597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, didn't it reduce sales of games < 1284679605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they worked on adlib too, and soundblaster < 1284679606 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had to have such a thing < 1284679607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just didn't sound nearly as good < 1284679607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284679621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah but thats roland < 1284679625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to find a nice mt-32 game clip
< 1284679625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect < 1284679636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Roland *is* good. My digital piano is Roland. < 1284679642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mt-32 is roland too :P < 1284679647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, exactly < 1284679651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, meaning: good for it's time < 1284679653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its* < 1284679654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1284679668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap compared to my modern sound card I bet < 1284679687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, probably better build quality < 1284679769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way, the default amidi samples are far superior < 1284679770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*midi < 1284679775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your sound card is NOT reprogrammable < 1284679777 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh the default ones surely < 1284679780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, actually it is < 1284679781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why mt-32 imitation sounds suck < 1284679782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, ok < 1284679786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is based on EMU10k < 1284679787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody reprograms it as well ;) < 1284679790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so programmable DSP < 1284679792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: two nice mt-32 compositions: < 1284679793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah no one does it < 1284679798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3dB0qEcG20#t=0m15s < 1284679798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApX60Y8djPI#t=4m30s < 1284679802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in *theory* mine is reprogrammable < 1284679806 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EAX effects and such < 1284679809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those #t=s are important < 1284679815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid a lot of rubbish < 1284679828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, unlikely to work in youtube-dl? < 1284679834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just download them then skip to that time yourself < 1284679837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1284679905 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3dB0qEcG20#t=0m15s <-- I have heard this on pc-speaker before I think... < 1284679911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe yeah < 1284679914 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something very similar < 1284679916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mt-32 version makes the game so much more hifi :) < 1284679927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed it does < 1284679951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, more hifi than the image :P < 1284679971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: speaking of game music of that era, Monkey Island II (although meant for adlib or soundblaster, not MT-32, by then) has a wonderful thing called iMUSE. It's a point-and-click adventure, you know the type. One of the defining ones, actually... brilliant game. Anyway, iMUSE. It handled seamless transitions in music from one scene to another. This wasn't just cross-fading. Oh no. The current music would continue playing until one of a predefined set of < 1284679972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : points (quite often), and it'd then go the a specific transition (I think some of them were semi-automated from different start/end points) from that part of that music to the new music. < 1284679972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I would expect zelda oot quality 3D graphics to that sound at least < 1284680016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd walk into the carpenter's place, and the music would quickly and unnoticeably turn into the carpenter's slightly-different blend of the main music for the town. (Actually his wood chops were synchronised to the beat...) < 1284680032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even walk to the map and go to the very-differently-musiced swamp without anything unnatural happening, because it was all paced programmatically. < 1284680036 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I heard of iMUSE before yes < 1284680039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1284680042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was invented for MI2 though < 1284680048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was never used to that extent anywhere else < 1284680058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew it was invented for a game in that series yes < 1284680066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MI1/2 are very recommendable plays, incidentally.) < 1284680096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume you know of ScummVM.) < 1284680100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought about it, but never got around to it < 1284680116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, does scummvm emulate mt-32 though? < 1284680123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, actually! < 1284680125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1284680127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You need to get some ROMs. < 1284680129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, you know... not hard. < 1284680140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you turn on the MT-32 emulator, point it at them... and voila; almost perfect. < 1284680151 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I played some scummvm games before. < 1284680153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not absolutely perfect, obviously; the original MT-32 was analogue. < 1284680157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think those had recorded audio < 1284680171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd rom era < 1284680173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, the CD release of MI1 has the MT-32 tracks recorded onto CD-Audio which it uses < 1284680176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's naff < 1284680179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it cuts off just like that < 1284680186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um? < 1284680188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1284680191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you move somewhere else < 1284680195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the current sound doesn't even fade out < 1284680200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just cuts the sound out and plays the new track < 1284680204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's switching to a new CD track < 1284680206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1284680211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds grotesque < 1284680233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MI1 is a short game (but challenging). MI2 is, like, twice the length or more. And a lot harder. < 1284680249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: listened to those videos? < 1284680266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, waiting for the second one to download. getting 30 kb/s < 1284680276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, not the best speed < 1284680289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lolworthy how good the music sounds compared to the graphics < 1284680347 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and the MT-32 of the second video sound better than the first half indeed < 1284680369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mt-32 theme of the second one is impressive < 1284680375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1284680379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I don't hear "oh, old computer music" < 1284680382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and yes, the sb is a better match to the graphics quality < 1284680399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at 7:53 in that second video there's some nice music too < 1284680401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the background music) < 1284680419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guitar sound is very good < 1284680443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't gotten there yet < 1284680465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a lot more listenable than the first half < 1284680471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: can you translate "across the universe" for me? <-- genom universum perhaps? < 1284680474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listening after the main theme is mostly pointless, it's just little blips of flavour music < 1284680481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: gehennom universum < 1284680484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that is "through the universe" < 1284680487 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "across" < 1284680494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :down and out in the universe < 1284680522 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of word for "across" in this sense. < 1284680607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From one end of the universe, to the other: across it. < 1284680640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wrt monky island, I would say that pc speaker version is more impressive. In the sense "wtf, is that possible with a pizeo electric buzzer!?" < 1284680653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling? < 1284680690 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think "across" is pretty much a synonym for "through" in the context of that song quote < 1284680714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm perhaps < 1284680723 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"across the field" would be quite different < 1284680743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DLoSAb1-bc < 1284680746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pc speaker monkey island 2 opening < 1284680752 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, maybe "tvärs genom" would be better? except for rhythm of course < 1284680753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more impressive than MI1's < 1284680766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the arpeggios < 1284680769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sound better on a real pc speaker < 1284680778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1284680787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I know < 1284680791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually further from the original meaning < 1284680794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((What it's meant to sound like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lTz2nkPNXA)) < 1284680797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm already listening to it < 1284680806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1284680859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I just found it on /mnt/old-disk-images/mnt/gentoo/home/anmaster/tmp/misc/7DLoSAb1-bc.mp4 < 1284680872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunatic :P < 1284680880 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which indicates a malfunction in /mnt/old-disk-images/mount-stuff.sh < 1284680886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunatic. < 1284680887 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is supposed to go to /mnt/gentoo < 1284680893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not /mnt/old-disk-images/mnt/gentoo < 1284680901 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating. < 1284680906 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so not quite as lunatic as it might look like < 1284680907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating. < 1284680910 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284680924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, no, that isn't the lune part < 1284680925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it. tvärs genom _would_ mean from one end to the other, i think. < 1284680930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what is the adjective of something relating to a lunatic?) < 1284680940 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunar < 1284680941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, however while checking the various youtube files in it I found the autotuned Carl Sagan too < 1284680964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which bit is the lunatic part? < 1284681007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that you (1) have a script to (2) mount disk images from old systems you have archived which (3) includes your temporary files, and (4) you actually looked at it before trying to (5) download a video from YouTube instead of just manning up and installing Gnash or something. < 1284681007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc < 1284681013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1284681014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1284681027 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and those tmp files are not really tmp. Well it started out as tm < 1284681029 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmp* < 1284681033 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ended up permanent < 1284681037 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: tricky, since -ic already means related to, and has been nouned _from_ an adjective there < 1284681039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good name for a permanent directory. < 1284681046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I use ~/Saved for that kind of stuff. Or, well, did.) < 1284681048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lunaticic < 1284681052 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and that disk image was from ddrescue, I don't edit anything on it < 1284681056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunattic < 1284681061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond the initial fsck < 1284681071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunatical, perhaps, mixing even more greek and latin < 1284681116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wrt: (4) and (5): I knew it was in that dir, and there are like 4 youtube videos in there < 1284681127 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: wI9% tNO CARRIER < 1284681129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunatical, a beautifully lunatical word < 1284681131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quicker to check them than googling for it < 1284681145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: see what i did is i clicked a link and the video played :) < 1284681154 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, because I linked it! < 1284681160 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait hm < 1284681161 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1284681166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a different one < 1284681180 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you had to find the link though < 1284681193 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nouning" is nicely verbed, adjectivally speaking < 1284681214 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *"nouned" < 1284681224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah i typed "monkey island 2 pc speaker", pressed enter, then clicked the first link on google, which was to a video < 1284681233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was... strenuous :) < 1284681236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no sound in 6lTz2nkPNXA ? < 1284681249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vlc fucking up < 1284681255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM < 1284681258 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm .flv, did those have sound last? < 1284681260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it doesn't start with sound < 1284681265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1284681269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cold open < 1284681270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a video game :) < 1284681279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you run MONKEY2.EXE, and that appears straight away) < 1284681289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: lunattic, like a place to keep mad old relatives? < 1284681293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or the moon < 1284681296 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how lunatic < 1284681302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have quietness in a video game < 1284681313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the rest of the game has (great) music :-P < 1284681320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1284681371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it works here < 1284681372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well technically you ran MONKEY2 and it probably did its copy-protection thing (you had to give something from the manual -- or something) and then asked you if you wanted the real or lite (easy) version < 1284681378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it went to the cold open < 1284681395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is " ((What it's meant to sound like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lTz2nkPNXA))" mt-32? < 1284681396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=290XnObHxVs ;; oh, I do like the Amiga opening < 1284681399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no; adlib or soundblaster < 1284681405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mt-32 doesn't sound as good on MI2 < 1284681412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since by then they realised /nobody/ bloody had one (1991) < 1284681419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they optimised for the cards people actually had < 1284681428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it sounds better there then? < 1284681439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds quite nice, though not mt-32 quality < 1284681444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1284681452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, MI2 came on *11 disks* for the Amiga < 1284681476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, now i have to play the games again *sigh* < 1284681485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nostalgia can be like heroin. well, only if you're Sgeo < 1284681499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs ScummVM in advance
< 1284681505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life's good! < 1284681566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wait a second. Nostalgia? How so? < 1284681578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played them (badly) as a kid. < 1284681586 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah, they are before your time though < 1284681587 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by far