< 1285200010 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is addicted to SGU music < 1285200010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95's explorer.exe = awesome < 1285200038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I actually went quite happily a while back with a maximised VM running Windows 95 for a few days. < 1285200071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285200074 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.239.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285200075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck < 1285200079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed a long message < 1285200114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Presumably you were happy except for the lack of a modern browser. < 1285200118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! < 1285200130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, I highly recommend installing 95 in a fast VM like VirtualBox, installing the VESA driver, and then going into fullscreen mode for a few days. Seriously; it's fun. You can get a modern browser -- Seamonkey a few releases back works, Nathan of Toasty Technology (the GUI gallery person) was working to correct that at the time. < 1285200133 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between shallow binding and deep binding for dynamically-scoped variables? < 1285200136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few releases back = *minor* releases. < 1285200141 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The c2 wiki fails to be comprehensible to me < 1285200142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was, literally, almost latest Gecko. < 1285200158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was perhaps a few months to a year old. < 1285200167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, as I said, Nathan was working with the team to get the latest release working. < 1285200172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Windows 95.* < 1285200175 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1285200179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did I mention that Nathan /uses Windows 95 as his daily driver/? < 1285200183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is his main OS. < 1285200191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Wow. < 1285200201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh yeah, I had an IRC client too, though I forget which. < 1285200206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And it's nice that Seamonkey still works. < 1285200207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, an awful lot of stuff works, really. < 1285200217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In fact, the latest-but-one Cygwin release (the one before Unicode support) works on Windows 95! < 1285200222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means X11. < 1285200256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly: if you have some free time and get bored, fullscreen a 95 VM with the VBEMP drivers and have some fun. < 1285200264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually started really liking it. < 1285200268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seamonkey no longer supports 95. < 1285200275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Supports officially, perhaps. < 1285200293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But I just kept trying older releases until it worked, and Nathan still uses it, so he has a prerogative to keep it working. < 1285200295 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gecko started to rely on Cairo, which doesn't function for below 2000. < 1285200303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the team were very responsive to him in the bug report. < 1285200304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Seriously? < 1285200307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck that. < 1285200321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh well; it's not like you need the latest Seamonkey to be happy. < 1285200342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually using 95 in a VM made me, for a split second, consider continuing to use it. It's that enamouring. < 1285200351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was dropped in Seamonkey 2.0. < 1285200360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How recent is that? < 1285200363 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Win95 actually that great, or just the visual style? < 1285200372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The visual style is utterly irrelevant. < 1285200375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am talking solely about usability. < 1285200388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Nearly a year ago. < 1285200400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm. < 1285200410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, I did consider working on a new browser for it... < 1285200411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.1.19 is the last version to support 95, and was released in March of this year. < 1285200421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Based on WebKit. Which I deluded myself into believing might work on 95. < 1285200424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :End of life for the 1.x line. < 1285200428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :March 2010, you could get worse. < 1285200432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it could be forked easily enough. < 1285200494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nathan does have a few misconceptions about Linux, though... < 1285200495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From a users standpoint, built in drivers means you usually will not be able to make use of newly released hardware until the needed software is added to your Linux distribution, at which point you usually must upgrade the entire operating system to the latest version. (In contrast I just installed a driver for an SATA controller on Windows 95!) On the brighter side you won't have to hunt down and manually install dozens of separate drivers." < 1285200500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he makes up for it in PURE AWESOME. < 1285200511 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, you could just build a browser on Cygwin. < 1285200520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh yeah... Cairo on X. < 1285200527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1285200532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Does Firefox build in Cygwin? < 1285200545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1285200551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then... you're sorted. < 1285200588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera *still supports 95*. < 1285200595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh yeah. < 1285200598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used Opera. < 1285200605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They dropped support for NT 4, but not 95. < 1285200605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used 9 though, I think, not 10. < 1285200611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 was sluggish. I /was/ in a VM, though. < 1285200630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The major complaint I had after a few days of using Windows 95: "I can't flick my mouse into the bottom-left corner and click to open the Start menu, as the buttons ends before the bottom-left pixel." < 1285200665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite purifying, when your only complaint is a simple violation of Fitt's law. < 1285200675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was even considering writing a program that fucked with the taskbar to make it work... < 1285200680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...try doing that on Windows 7 :P < 1285200690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, the clock defaults to that weird 24 hour time." -- Nathan ;; wat < 1285200692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol americans < 1285200699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1285200726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenOffice also dropped support for 95. < 1285200734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs that, though? < 1285200735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nowt wrong with OpenOffice 2. < 1285200737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah, that. < 1285200745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 1 < 1285200747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 2, 1. < 1285200750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1285200754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowt wrong with OpenOffice 1 :P < 1285200758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You could just use Word 97. < 1285200762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1285200775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even 95 :P < 1285200811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Qt 4 no longer supports 95 at all. < 1285200845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And Windows 95 doesn't support Windows 7! < 1285200846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares? < 1285200872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, Windows 2000 is the least bloated Windows that programs still support. < 1285200885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, I'm pretty sure that with the patch thing, 95 supports up to a gigabyte of RAM. < 1285200895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait. < 1285200900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tweak a value to expand that, it seems. < 1285200910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you should be able to max out 32-bit address space, more or less. < 1285200923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You mean, "Windows 2000 is the least bloated Windows that *the wrong* programs support." ;) < 1285200930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1285200949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: What patch, pray tell? < 1285200956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's included on the CD version. < 1285200957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1285200959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of 95.) < 1285200971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm. < 1285200989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The tweak is just fucking with Vcache. < 1285200997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://support.microsoft.com/kb/253912 < 1285201018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, you can't say it doesn't support these applications. < 1285201020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin and X11. < 1285201023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem solved. < 1285201306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You've got me thinking about Windows now; not good for my mental health. < 1285201314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I will really support that appeal now. < 1285201391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Now program for it! < 1285201401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Windows 95 programming? Sounds fun! < 1285201408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Win32. < 1285201416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do anything! Anything! The only limit ... is yourself. Welcome, to Win32! < 1285201421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombo.com --> win32.com < 1285201439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, it redirects to http://www.bing.com/search?q=win32&form=MSSRPD < 1285201463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not true. < 1285201464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_API < 1285201466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use this! < 1285201521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not on Win95. < 1285201553 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285201658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PAH < 1285202059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION searches for that screenshot of 95's explorer on XP < 1285202214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Behold: < 1285202214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pu7o.org/pix/nt4sh_xp.png < 1285202219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows NT 4's explorer.exe < 1285202222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Windows XP Professional. < 1285202235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now give me a single reason why this should not always be so. < 1285202246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION groans < 1285202250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What? < 1285202261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blackbox for Windows. < 1285202277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that Blackbox. < 1285202317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, I know. < 1285202319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite popular. < 1285202321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty crap. < 1285202329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now look at my screenshot and gaze. < 1285202358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The beauty of it. < 1285202370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Should have sent a poet. < 1285202377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW LET'S BE POETS (Translation: NOW LET'S MAKE THIS WORK) < 1285202393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Windows without the crap. < 1285202399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, not quite. But close. < 1285202414 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's Windows XP without the PAIN AND AGONY < 1285202587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now imagine that on Windows 2000. < 1285202596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: With everything stripped out. < 1285202608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Mmmm. < 1285202614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'll have to try it. < 1285202631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. When I produce it! < 1285202637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(YOU WILL BE CRUSHED) < 1285202701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A thing that saddens me: The Alpha, MIPS and PowerPC releases of NT 4.0 didn't support the GUI. < 1285202713 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to install Flashblock < 1285202725 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Flashblock on Chromium only hides the Flash, right < 1285202726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1285202732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to... < 1285202738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it now stops it from starting. < 1285202741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.pu7o.org/_pvt/nt4explorer.zip < 1285202743 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome! < 1285202747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: NT 4.0 explorer, packaged for Windows XP. < 1285202766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, I'll want to slipstream that SOB. < 1285202775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: NO I WILL < 1285202786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mine will be at LEAST a byte shorter than yours. FOREVER < 1285202805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OMG IT RUNS IN WINE. < 1285202807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, let me repeat: < 1285202810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fucking runs in WINE. < 1285202820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can't see my cursor but IT RUNS IN WINE. < 1285202830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1285202884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine: cannot find L"C:\\windows\\system32\\Welcome.exe" < 1285202937 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, Welcome.exe < 1285202955 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I loved the propaganda that was included with various versions of Windows < 1285202956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I was just about to brag about how amazing my MicroXP would be, but then I realised that you'd just STEAL the ideas like a dirty THIEF. < 1285202964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: :P < 1285202970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I need an NDA. < 1285202980 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also loved the short videos for WinXP before WinXP was released < 1285202987 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any of those still available somewhere? < 1285202993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jewtube, probably < 1285203005 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1285203006 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: A thing that saddens me: The Alpha, MIPS and PowerPC releases of NT 4.0 didn't support the GUI. // ??? < 1285203020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There were releases of Windows NT 4.0 for those architectures. < 1285203025 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that < 1285203026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did not have the Windows user interface, just the command line. < 1285203031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be awesome if they did have it. < 1285203034 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wtfbbq, didn't know that :P < 1285203039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, I /may/ be wrong. < 1285203042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm pretty sure I'm not. < 1285203057 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ty. Although I don't particularly appreciate the way you wrote youtube < 1285203083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jewtube, jewnicode, jew reptilian new world order... < 1285203091 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aO0jumwHdg < 1285203109 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, YouTube's being crap < 1285203197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to sell Office XP: Sex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue_ShKRAqNo < 1285203215 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm4LMlWohY4&feature=related < 1285203278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The perfect name for an Alpha, MIPS or PowerPC box running NT 4.0: "Ivory Tower" < 1285203292 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1285203325 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of better OS's to fit that name... < 1285203335 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely ones that have never been commercially sold < 1285203337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSes, yes, but not OSes on such obscure platforms that nobody ever used themo n. < 1285203339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them on. < 1285203401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, don't bother including *any* web browser. < 1285203404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will have ftp. < 1285203405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need nothing else. < 1285203414 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....so what's being sold is being _unable_ to take the bra off? < 1285203421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Without the password! < 1285203426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for BOFHs. < 1285203454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285203459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: XD < 1285203471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Who needs ftp? < 1285203477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. No. You need ftp. < 1285203479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got a disc drive, right? < 1285203482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It comes bundled with the other stuff. < 1285203488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other basic command-line tools. < 1285203491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, you COULD specifically exclude it... < 1285203495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but it's kilobytes. < 1285203534 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$2.99 per minute, unless you're a fast talker, then it's $4.99 per minute" < 1285203572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://sillydog.org/graph/ss/others/applecomauredirect.png < 1285203583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple: it runs on Perl. < 1285203586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Apple.com: < 1285203594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugly Perl, at that! Oh the irony! < 1285203597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ais523) < 1285203612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"asia red". Sounds like a codename. < 1285203620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooooooooooooh, Windows XP! < 1285203756 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sshc < 1285203778 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I will not have this courtroom turn into a commercial for this 'Windows XP'" < 1285204198 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that from? < 1285204240 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the XPTV things < 1285204259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VinylDisc is a combination of a digital layer, either in CD or DVD format, and an analogue layer, which is a vinyl record, developed by German company Optimal Media Production. It consists of a silver layer containing CD or DVD and a black polyvinyl chloride layer (able to hold 3.5 minutes of audio on 33rpm) which can be played on a regular phonograph. < 1285204263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VinylDisc < 1285204305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuTzpbur5zw&feature=related < 1285204491 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... why < 1285204497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHY NOT < 1285204506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how it can only hold 3.5 minutes. < 1285204508 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's probably expensive and has no benefits. < 1285204524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could see pretentious IDM-type groups releasing albums in it. < 1285204529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least singles. < 1285204532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not 3.5 minutes. < 1285204594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do YOU know when Astronomy Picture of the Day updates? < 1285204606 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the perfect medium! Anyone can use it, even if they haven't purchased any new technology in the last 2(?) decades! < 1285204608 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never. It's a lie. < 1285204614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh. < 1285204619 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Almost 3. < 1285204620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the moon landings. < 1285204634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe CDs are less than 30 years old >__> < 1285204640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've been ubiquitous since I was born! < 1285204644 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before that, even! < 1285204647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way before that! < 1285204673 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had casettes when I was a kid, but I think CDs were already out there, just not ubiquitous. < 1285204689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cassettes where what Those Old Albums were on. < 1285204706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually every time I think "cassette", R.E.M. - Document's cassette release appears in my head. < 1285204812 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that DAT tapes still get more bits/dollar than most other forms of storage ... < 1285204839 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like 8GB/$ < 1285204882 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess hard disks are (finally) past that, but they weren't until a few years ago :P < 1285204918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My father uses/used DAT tapes extensively to record concerts. (officially, that is.) < 1285204936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His stereo is... hefty, and the speakers are mounted on the walls. < 1285205013 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still has a bit of a hard time realizing just how little 1GB is these days < 1285205067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 8 GB/$ means $79.99 buys you 639.92 GBs. < 1285205076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is actually the price of a 1.5TB hard disk. < 1285205085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, disks have won. < 1285205107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get a terabyte for *sixty fucking dollars*! Not $69.99 either; $59.99. < 1285205113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a THOUSAND GODDAMN GIGABYTES < 1285205148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Gregor: 8 GB/$ means $79.99 buys you 639.92 GBs. < 1285205148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> It is actually the price of a 1.5TB hard disk. < 1285205148 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, looks like a 1.5TB tape is about $100 < 1285205150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Womp womp < 1285205157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this may be google interpreting megabytes as mebibytes < 1285205157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1285205158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :disks win < 1285205168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: also, disks win at actually being used too :-P < 1285205171 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until you drop one < 1285205176 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, tapes aren't random-access. < 1285205178 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they're stupid. < 1285205249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: unless you drop one in a bad laptop without automatic drive-head parking < 1285205258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then leave it there to mature without rescuing it < 1285205258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTFY < 1285205293 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shipping to California – Please Read < 1285205293 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately we are unable to ship this product directly into the State of California. This particular product will need to ship to our Austin, Texas warehouse first. We will then immediately re-ship the product to you. You will not be charged for additional shipping. This will add 2-3 business days onto to delivery of your order. Customers shipping to other states are not affected. < 1285205296 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1285205305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD Where's that from? < 1285205313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tapeandmedia.com/sony_lto_5_tape_ultrium_5_tapes.asp?source=Froogle&REFERER=Froogle < 1285205353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unfortunately, the usual to-California transit checks for trace amounts of cocaine, included as a gift in all our products. Also swan remains, used in the production of the tape." < 1285205363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also human baby remains." < 1285205368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also innocent kittens." < 1285205373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So yeah, Texas." < 1285205379 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And a few less-innocent kittens." < 1285205390 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh BTW I apparently am capable of writing a JIT. < 1285205391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knew. < 1285205406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am capable of love. < 1285205411 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies. < 1285205412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only on Tuesdays ;____; < 1285205416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only for a Turing machine < 1285205419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dead Turing machine < 1285205477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you know that it's impossible to move your index finger around in a circle? < 1285205526 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly can't. < 1285205556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...really? I was just bullshitting you so I could waste your precious time and brain energy. < 1285205568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like when I told someone that "gullible" wasn't in the dictionary and it *actually wasn't*. < 1285205610 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, my circle seems extremely imperfect :P < 1285205638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hmm, it appears to also be impossible with the thumb. < 1285205654 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more impossible with the thumb. < 1285205926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHAT < 1285205928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easy with the thumb < 1285205935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you know that Google is DOWN??? < 1285205943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impossible. < 1285205947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S TRUE < 1285205965 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realize I used it like ten minutes ago to find that tape, right? :P < 1285206010 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does a Google cost? My techie friend said that I should use Googles. < 1285206265 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I get hit on the head and lose my intellect? < 1285206272 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or die < 1285206280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to wear a helmet < 1285206782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall go ahead and create the Win2k-minus-everything disk < 1285206812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Features have *got* to go. < 1285206844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will be rewatching SGU "Light" in a few seconds < 1285206958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1285206962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1285206964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285207495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win2k-minux-everything, 183MB. < 1285208700 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1285208703 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean < 1285208712 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, s/minux/minus/? :P < 1285208726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1285208773 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was the worst hybrid OS idea in history :P < 1285208774 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win2k, minix and Linux or something < 1285208820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be freakish. < 1285208825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazing, but freakish. < 1285209309 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285211086 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285211970 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285212981 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why win2k and not xp, vista, or 7? < 1285212994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Win2K sucks less. < 1285213082 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that difficult to believe... does win98 suck even less? < 1285213087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1285213090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win98 sucks more. < 1285213156 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the curve of suckiness is something like \--\_/--/, with win2K in the middle? < 1285213178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that Win95 is quite lacking in suck. < 1285213199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not having a lot of stuff lets it not have a lot of suck) < 1285213210 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so something like __/--\_/--/ < 1285213226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, I guess. < 1285213236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though before Win95 sucked assloads. < 1285213269 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers he has ^ < 1285213323 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe _/^\_/--/^ < 1285213342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye, ME sucked maximally. < 1285213357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make an OS suck more and not get sued for fraud. < 1285213393 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see that ad with Windows Vista = Windows CE + Windows ME + Windows NT = Windows Cement? < 1285213405 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad is in quotes < 1285213416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285213468 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awesome because it's true :D < 1285213794 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. Flashblock managed to crash < 1285213970 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't use NoScript? < 1285213988 0 :sshc_!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1285214203 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285214249 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Sgeo < 1285214574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't < 1285215181 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyever not? < 1285215417 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because ABP is more useful. < 1285215439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NoScript is just stupidly extreme. ABP is directed, surgical. < 1285216402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate limits. < 1285216480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, I hate all limits that cannot be computed obviously or via l'Hôpital's rule. Monsters. < 1285216822 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always seen it as l'Hospital's rule. < 1285216830 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I love, because it's "the hospital's rule" < 1285216993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285217140 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ABP is slower to use. You can't do "1-click site blocking/unblocking" < 1285217167 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is this for a class? if so, what is it called? < 1285217247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Calculus III < 1285217258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had two problems doing limits of a vector function. < 1285217263 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, totally took that last year :-) < 1285217266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reminded that I despise limits. < 1285217288 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limits are fun :-) you use them all the time in analysis < 1285217489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, derivatives. There's something I can get behind. < 1285217625 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: reals can be defined as the limit of a sequence of rational numbers. < 1285217788 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that doesn't excite you, then probably nothing will < 1285217962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, humbug. < 1285217973 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why must Flash crash all the time? < 1285217975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows the only reals that exist are computable! < 1285217979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Adobe sucks. < 1285218424 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok, the limit of computable sequences of rational numbers < 1285218532 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computable sequences aren't too hard to define; something like "successive terms can be output by a Turing machine" < 1285219066 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285220197 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285221556 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *Macromedia sucks? < 1285221573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I know, Flash hasn't been rewritten, and you have to blame the original authors of the codebase to some extent < 1285223508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( at how much memory and CPU Factor was using < 1285223655 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285223851 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285223923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1285224104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : limits are fun :-) you use them all the time in analysis <-- analysis is meh. Discrete math ftw! < 1285224152 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1285224312 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285224527 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :CaptainQirq < 1285224572 0 :CaptainQirq!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1285224580 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285225553 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285225740 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1285225778 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285225786 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285226847 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-211.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285228154 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1285228241 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285228799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1285228800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1285229164 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285229987 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1285229994 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285230085 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-165-42.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285230085 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285230085 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285231161 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1285231838 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285233566 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285239466 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285240494 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285243912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285244656 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285244735 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285244788 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-152.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285245003 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1285245087 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285246357 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nil < 1285246362 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NILE < 1285246489 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285246498 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-152.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285249006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in de'nil. < 1285250529 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98% packet loss.... how fun. To master DNS server. < 1285250554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't even update the domain to take the other server that went down out of round robin < 1285250657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, now you made me consider a esolang where everything were names of rivers (and perhaps also other geographical features) < 1285250950 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285251582 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285251902 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285254665 0 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1285254860 0 :nooga!~nooga@addo25.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285254982 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1285255340 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barf < 1285255453 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gopherwoodstudios.com/entanglement/ made an esolang based on that < 1285255456 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be cool < 1285255654 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285256347 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285256400 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-126.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285257970 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.239.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285258446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:04:55 Win2k-minux-everything, 183MB. < 1285258447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame < 1285258478 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LameNT < 1285258712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can you get nLite working in WINE? < 1285259689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 183 MB is rather large yeah < 1285259799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I got an uber-minimal, stripped-down XP ISO into like 200. < 1285259806 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nice < 1285259810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With 2000 and the complete eradication of IE components... < 1285259817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well! I think I can significantly beat that figure. < 1285259827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost nothing supports XP and not 2000, anyway. < 1285259829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Chrome works. < 1285259841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can run NT 4.0's Explorer on XP. Seriously. < 1285259846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.pu7o.org/pix/nt4sh_xp.png < 1285259856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look ma! No IE! < 1285259871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And font smoothing, too! < 1285260928 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285261064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq < 1285261065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hpcfactor.com/support/patching/win2000/ < 1285261068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE THERE SO MANY PATCHES < 1285261149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285261202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm windows update needs IE iirc? < 1285261214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://windizupdate.com/ < 1285261228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: besides, i don't know if windows update works with 2000 < 1285261232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all patch installation files < 1285261235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik < 1285261240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe IE updates, but I'm cutting out IE < 1285261364 0 :nooga!~nooga@aebg18.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285261446 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285261539 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285261839 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's pretty lurvely. < 1285261851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is? < 1285262076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Windiz Update? < 1285262194 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: NT shell on XP < 1285262268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. < 1285262275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Or, NT shell on 2000. < 1285262278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus: Micro2k. < 1285262436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "If it doesn't fit on an original zip drive, it's not worth having." < 1285262455 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't fit on a superformatted floppy, it's not worth having. < 1285262548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I reject that goal as being too difficult. < 1285262682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, Win2k has a fit when detecting graphics hardware. < 1285262691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Try resolution... back to the setup! Try resolution... back to the setup!" < 1285262695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my VM window jiggles about with its size. < 1285262707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really quickly, too. < 1285262731 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1285262804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: STRIP EVERY LOCALE < 1285262806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STRIP EVERY KEYBOARD LAYOUT < 1285262824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STRIP PER (Phantom Edition Recall-files) < 1285262849 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285263293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1285263300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Windows 2000 Professional: It starts in 16 colours! < 1285263313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1285263316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dalalalalalalalala WUM de dum duuuuuuuum < 1285263354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFkry3zzutI < 1285263355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel the love. < 1285263389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Note: Also the Me startup sound. < 1285263452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu0TMtgx1pE ;; Wow, the NT ones were fucking crazy. < 1285263464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing becomes some sort of crazy-dynamiced electronic piece. < 1285263560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a weird ambientish piece in the middle with the Windows 98 sounds. < 1285263570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Haha wow, 2000 Beta 3's is actually dramatic. < 1285263574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2 minutes 40 seconds or thereabouts) < 1285263643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm trying to design a "sane" ISA. Like a replacement for x86-64. Purely for recreational purposes, since it is unlikely to ever be implemented. A question: big or little endian? < 1285263653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any suggestions for that? And reason for that < 1285263669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :little endian < 1285263682 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, interesting. Why do you suggest that? < 1285263684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reason: you can make an N-bit number bigger just by appending < 1285263693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. Yes that is a good reason < 1285263695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pleasing from a theoretical aesthetics point of view, for one < 1285263699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as possibly being quite useful < 1285263709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you can easily imagine an addition algorithm on it stepping through bit by bit < 1285263715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is only pleasing in an aesthetic sense, but it's still nice < 1285263735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also: go for CISC, if you're trying to reproduce such a "rich" feature set < 1285263743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it /does/ have its advantages over RISC. < 1285263747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite the propaganda :) < 1285263757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I decided for memory mapped registers. And making page 0 physically unmappable (providing not just a guaranteed "safe" NULL, but also 8191 other "special" "safe" values) < 1285263767 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285263777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: memory map the registers in page 0 < 1285263789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hm < 1285263799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i suggest reserving about 8-16 pages for the system < 1285263802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :including hardware < 1285263808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, for graphics cards and the like < 1285263827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 pages would be nice, since that's a round megabyte < 1285263829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mebibytes < 1285263831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mebibyte < 1285263833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming 64-bit values < 1285263840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1285263861 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285263890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VBEMP NT edition, woo hoo! < 1285263946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why must it be distributed in a zip :P < 1285263991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the early roadmap for Neptune's development there was one service pack planned, codenamed Triton." < 1285263996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planning for bugfix updates: lol < 1285264077 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1285264087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1285264098 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks log < 1285264108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it seems down? < 1285264111 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would one plan for bug fixes? < 1285264116 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it loads < 1285264138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you were giving them for free, which it might not be. < 1285264143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise, I was planning to go for CRISC. "Complicated RISC". Yes it sounds like a paradox but I have some ideas < 1285264143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm lag < 1285264143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : extreme such < 1285264147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, those went missing < 1285264170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and yes these upper pages also includes MMU registers and more < 1285264183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRISC just sounds like VLIW. < 1285264195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the upper 16 KiB btw < 1285264199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Precisely. < 1285264205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hm? < 1285264210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reserving 16 pages should be a megabyte < 1285264211 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blatant robbery! < 1285264219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what is page size? < 1285264229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you said page 0 gave 8192 reserved values < 1285264230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1285264234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed 8192*8 bytes < 1285264250 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 8192 is one possible page size < 1285264254 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in bytes that is < 1285264262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm actually i'd reserve more < 1285264264 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the OS is supposed to read that from a control register during boot < 1285264270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1285264272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointless configurability < 1285264281 0 :tombom_!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285264283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe < 1285264305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, make the OS be entirely configurable through XML! < 1285264307 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway 8192*8 is a bit too large < 1285264309 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, har har < 1285264317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but hardware would use this too < 1285264337 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also I considered the variable page size thing found not just on x86 but iirc also PPC and SPARC < 1285264338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is a good idea < 1285264340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so actually i'd probably reserve maybe 512 pages of 8192 (64-bit)s < 1285264344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 32 mebibytes < 1285264346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough for anyone ;) < 1285264351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh, maybe hardware should reserve its own pages < 1285264357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you could have a huge graphics display < 1285264360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 < 1285264364 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285264365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so scratch that idea, just reserve 8 pages or so for the CPU < 1285264377 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so maybe supporting 4096 bytes, 4 MB and and 32 MB sized pages might be a good idea < 1285264377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 512 KiB < 1285264383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: support 2^n for all n < 1285264386 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285264388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't get implemented anyway < 1285264391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also 8 pages isn't enough < 1285264397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is for the cpu itself < 1285264410 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285264527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285264537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other hardware could allocate its own pages < 1285264541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the upper region of memory < 1285264552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well okay for page sizes what about: 4096 by default. Hardware could support huge pages, check control registers for that. < 1285264554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(much more durable than in lower region) < 1285264562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 4096 64-bit values, I assume? < 1285264562 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, since huge-pages do have some merits < 1285264572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how about this: no pages < 1285264576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm, rather large page size? < 1285264585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2048*8 maybe < 1285264666 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285264666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I do plan on keeping 8 bit char. And some support for mov to read/write 8, 16 and 32 bits. Probably not for any other instructions (those would be pure 64 bit register operations mostly) < 1285264670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pages at all. think about it < 1285264702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285264708 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LoseThos! < 1285264718 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sure, perfect for your OS. "Reasonably plausible one could port linux or similar to it" was in my plans for this < 1285264720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No rings, either! < 1285264733 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One display mode! < 1285264738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1285264757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, nice but conflicts with my design goals < 1285264766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: basically you're inventing something like Itanium but more boring < 1285264793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, if your design goals and LoseThos' conflict, yours are wrong. < 1285264810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I did say '[...] "sane" ISA. Like a replacement for x86-64.' < 1285264824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I was just asking about the endianness issue really < 1285264867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and yes hardware should be able to pick own ranges. After all you would want to put any on-graphics-card RAM into your address space. < 1285264919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: forbid hardware allocating a page above a certain number < 1285264923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps restrict it all to negative addresses, for instance < 1285264924 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but fixed places work fine for "standard" stuff like CPU registers, MMU control bits, system timer access, and some similar stuff < 1285264933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that page 1 -- page (a lot) can all be software controlled < 1285264940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forbid as in at the cpu level < 1285264950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna run Hurd on Itanium sometime :-D < 1285264954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I was considering putting kernel there (below cpu registers). I find that idea done by AMD was rather nice. < 1285264959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hm < 1285264962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this: < 1285264965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, no reason to have kernel there < 1285264970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have it in low finite address space < 1285265011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, are you sure linux requires paging? ucLinux < 1285265022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab... where a is the sign bit, negative would be hardware as you suggest. the next bit is kernel/userspace. So 01... = kernel, 00... = userspace, 1... = hardware < 1285265038 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 64-bit addresses that wouldn't cut away much after all < 1285265061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't really need a concept of kernel < 1285265061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and uclinux is not real linux, it is a separate project. Based on linux yes < 1285265063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can handle its own < 1285265075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285265086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, maybe add that as a suggestion simply. < 1285265129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I planned to put the IP at 0xfffffffffffffff8-0xffffffffffffffff (I sure hope I didn't make an off by 1 error here) < 1285265141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm variable length instructions or fixed length? < 1285265149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both have their merits < 1285265154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, just put the ip in one of the 8 reserved CPU pages < 1285265156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than enough space there < 1285265168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well that is in one of them? < 1285265178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 8 reserved cpu pages are starting at 0 in what i was thinking < 1285265183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, you wouldn't just reserve page 0 for null < 1285265186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd reserve pages 1-7 too < 1285265191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for CPU stuff < 1285265194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ip, registers, < 1285265195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1285265204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm... and leaving the address 0 doing nothing? < 1285265207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(8 is more than enough, but you know, leaves expansion room) < 1285265208 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1285265215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. possibly trap it in the memory interface < 1285265218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and flag up an error < 1285265221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like everything else does < 1285265228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1285265232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't even go to the memory interface < 1285265238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it'd go straight to the cpu to look up a register or whatever < 1285265243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it could just barf if it gets 0 < 1285265248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, interesting but the disadvantage is that sometimes you don't get a true NULL dereference. Consider struct->somememeber; where struct is a NULL pointer < 1285265263 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somemember is not the first one < 1285265265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that dereferences struct first, obviously < 1285265271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1285265275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1285265282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, that'd misbehave, sure < 1285265286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it misbehaves on current hardware too < 1285265289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: one solution would be: < 1285265291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have page 0 completely empty < 1285265294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only use pages 1-7 for internal stuff < 1285265295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Itanium is Intel's superarchitecture that went wrong, isn't it? < 1285265301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, unless your structure is ridiculously big, it'll be trapped < 1285265301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well yes and no. Linux forbids a few pages at the bottom due to this < 1285265308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that sounds reasonably safe < 1285265314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one page should be enough, assuming it's big enough < 1285265316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8192 bytes or more < 1285265320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah < 1285265359 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, where to put system clock and such? Around CPU registers or somewhere in negative hardware range < 1285265377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :around cpu registers, might as well < 1285265415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you have each be 8192 64-bit values, i.e. 8192*8 bytes, then pages 1-7 get you 448 kibibytes < 1285265423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than enough to stuff any damn extension you can think of in a lifetime < 1285265428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, yeah, "should be enough for everyone") < 1285265441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but you can always start using the high range and pretend to be a piece of hardware if you somehow run out of all that) < 1285265454 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think that might be too large to be useful. 8192 bytes seems better < 1285265468 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you could get some memory fragmentation issues with too large pages < 1285265484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, make it one 448 kibibyte page :) < 1285265495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is constrained by physical RAM, not virtual address space < 1285265505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I meant, too large page size :P < 1285265509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1285265518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just split it up into more pages, then < 1285265523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and come up with some sort of organisation < 1285265524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1285265533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Registers & Counters < 1285265539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has registers, carry flag and the like, and IP < 1285265544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like that < 1285265550 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and something like that. Maybe reserve 512 KiB at the start. 448 seems so uneven < 1285265556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's 512 KiB < 1285265560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was counting page 0 as reserved < 1285265562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the same size < 1285265562 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah with null page < 1285265566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reserved to always barf, that is < 1285265571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that'd become a few reserved pages, but whatever < 1285265588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you do foo->x where foo is null and the structure is bigger than 8 kibibytes, you deserve whatever you get) < 1285265804 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, negative is 0x8000000000000000-0xffffffffffffffff right? < 1285265810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I miscalculated < 1285265825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god knows < 1285265838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try not to think about such concrete things < 1285265977 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x0000000000000000 - 0x0000000000002000 Illegal memory, will cause a page fault < 1285265977 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x0000000000002001 - 0x0000000000080000 IDCR (ISA-Defined Control Registers) < 1285265977 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x0000000000080000 - 0x7fffffffffffffff Normal address space. < 1285265977 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x8000000000000000 - 0xffffffffffffffff HMA (Hardware Mapped Memory) < 1285265980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think that is right < 1285265990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not vliw? too cool for you? :P < 1285265994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285266007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1285266007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off by one error < 1285266007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x0000000000080000 -> 0x0000000000080001 < 1285266007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1285266015 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285266022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wait a second, or am I off by one in the other direction < 1285266024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I am < 1285266084 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x0000000000000000 - 0x0000000000001fff Illegal memory, will cause a page fault < 1285266085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x0000000000002000 - 0x000000000007ffff IDCR (ISA-Defined Control Registers) < 1285266085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x0000000000080000 - 0x7fffffffffffffff Normal address space. < 1285266085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x8000000000000000 - 0xffffffffffffffff HMA (Hardware Mapped Memory) < 1285266086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is better < 1285266110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as for VLIW. Could it actually work well? < 1285266125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure; well, as well as your crazy CRISC thing would. < 1285266137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Itanium's suckage was mostly Intel being fucktards and nobody else giving a shit. < 1285266141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you haven't seen the instruction set yet (and I haven't written that down yet) < 1285266148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm... < 1285266168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wasn't there a problem with writing compilers for VLIW iirc? < 1285266169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The main issue with VLIW is compiling for it. < 1285266175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can easily do it; it's efficiency that's the issue. < 1285266176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Itanium's suckage was down do the impossibility of compiling to it? < 1285266180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not impossible. < 1285266184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not a totally solved problem yet ;) < 1285266188 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes obviously < 1285266198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transmeta addresses this issue by including a binary-to-binary software compiler layer (termed Code Morphing) in their Crusoe implementation of the x86 architecture. Basically, this mechanism is advertised to recompile, optimize, and translate x86 opcodes at runtime into the CPU's internal machine code. Thus, the Transmeta chip is internally a VLIW processor, effectively decoupled from the x86 CISC instruction set that it executes. < 1285266200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coool < 1285266224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel's Itanium architecture (among others) solved the backward-compatibility problem with a more general mechanism. Within each of the multiple-opcode instructions, a bit field is allocated to denote dependency on the previous VLIW instruction within the program instruction stream. These bits are set at compile time, thus relieving the hardware from calculating this dependency information. Having this dependency information encoded into the instruction st < 1285266224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ream allows wider implementations to issue multiple non-dependent VLIW instructions in parallel per cycle, while narrower implementations would issue a smaller number of VLIW instructions per cycle. < 1285266229 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285266241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another perceived deficiency of VLIW architectures is the code bloat that occurs when not all of the execution units have useful work to do and thus have to execute NOPs. This occurs when there are dependencies in the code and the functional pipelines must be allowed to drain before subsequent operations can proceed. < 1285266241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the number of transistors on a chip has grown, the perceived disadvantages of the VLIW have diminished in importance. The VLIW architecture is growing in popularity, particularly in the embedded market, where it is possible to customize a processor for an application in an embedded system-on-a-chip. Embedded VLIW products are available from several vendors, including the FR-V from Fujitsu, the BSP15/16 from Pixelworks, the ST231 from STMicroelectroni < 1285266241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cs, the TriMedia from NXP, the CEVA-X DSP from CEVA, the Jazz DSP from Improv Systems, and Silicon Hive. The Texas Instruments TMS320 DSP line has evolved, in its C6xxx family, to look more like a VLIW, in contrast to the earlier C5xxx family. < 1285266253 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1285266254 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam < 1285266346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no! Lots of text! < 1285266353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal cannot handle this! < 1285266383 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...... what a strawman < 1285266397 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That strawman is a work of art! < 1285266414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Sophisticated-and-Cultured-Male < 1285266416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looool < 1285266431 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite see how much more like a VLIW C64xx could look; although it is sort of "optionally VLIW", in that it reads in 8-15 instruction packets, and then those are split to units of 1-8 simultaneously executed ops. < 1285266461 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285266467 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285266558 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I understand, the "efficiently compiling" problem there is sort-of solved by the fact that it does DSP, so it usually involves doing the same thing to many numbers, which tends to be easy to parallelize. (And of course people do bother to hand-craft assembly too. I don't have any first-hand experience as to how good TI's C compiler is.) < 1285266585 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It costs quite a lot, so presumably it must be good.) < 1285266606 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((Okay, so it's not really *that* expensive; four digits in $s, not more than that.)) < 1285266693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1285266699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afk for a bit) < 1285267487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may disable WFP by setting the value SFCDisable (REG_DWORD) in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ SOFTWARE\ Microsoft\ Windows NT\ CurrentVersion\ Winlogon. By default, SFCDisable is set to 0, which means WFP is active. Setting SFCDisable to 1 will disable WFP. Setting SFCDisable to 2 will disable WFP for the next system restart only (without a prompt to re-enable). < 1285267487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Important: You must have a kernel debugger attached to the system via null modem cable (for example:I386kd.exe or Windbg.exe) to use SFCDisable = 1 or SFCDisable = 2. < 1285267488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYY < 1285267508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1285267529 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what is WFP/SFC? < 1285267535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows File Protection < 1285267538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stops you fucking with shit < 1285267562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a coprophiliac, I would like to fuck with Windows' shit < 1285267566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus would like it to go away < 1285267579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coprophiliac? < 1285267597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, arguably it is a good feature, should result in less support calls for microsoft... < 1285267611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah easier to turn off.... perhaps < 1285267613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it already hides all the windows directories < 1285267619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and makes you click a link to show them < 1285267622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, this is only for windows 2000 < 1285267629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the only way to disable it in XP onwards is to use hacks < 1285267629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, coprophiliac: one who enjoys fucking with shit. < 1285267633 0 :nooga!~nooga@baa109.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285267633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patched DLLs, etc. < 1285267645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Of course, the "efficiently compiling" thing is as opposed to having the CPU pipeline efficiently. < 1285267658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coprophilia (from Greek κόπρος, kópros—excrement and φιλία, filía—liking, fondness), also called scatophilia or scat,[1] is the paraphilia involving sexual pleasure from feces.[2][3] < 1285267660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1285267668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, to enjoy fucking shit. < 1285267673 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1285267674 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ^ < 1285268115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: btw, windows 2000 may depend on ie in strange ways. < 1285268127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being that it is really the first member in the XP What the Fuck IE Abuse family. < 1285268205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Mmmf < 1285268218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also, TELL ME HOW TO FUCKING DISABLE WFP IN 2000 I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT < 1285268225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, permanently, without any serial port connected < 1285268233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFP = ? < 1285268277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows File Protection < 1285268282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is stopping me putting the NT4 explorer in there < 1285268299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1285268300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have disabled it < 1285268312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1285268315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be in the System config dialog. < 1285268315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cd Foo Bar" works in windows < 1285268318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for cd "Foo Bar" < 1285268321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nonono, it's registry editing < 1285268328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaarrrrgh. < 1285268336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it worked < 1285268338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nLite has it as a tweak. < 1285268339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to install explorer < 1285268388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Time to restart with the NT 4 EXPLORER FUCK YEAH < 1285268396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE-LESS INDAHAUS < 1285268411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: AWESOME < 1285268418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINIMALISTS REPRESENT < 1285268426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MNMLSTS RPRSNT < 1285268432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnmlstsrprsnt < 1285268436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnmlrpsnt < 1285268441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnlrpnt < 1285268444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mlrnt < 1285268448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mrnt < 1285268450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnt < 1285268452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mt < 1285268454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1285268455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1285268472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it didn't work lol. < 1285268498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: husàkenn ne, koriȳa. < 1285268508 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? < 1285268515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's reverted somehow < 1285268518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuq winduze < 1285268561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/jsifaq/jsi-tip-8185-how-do-i-disable-wfp-in-windows-2000-sp4-and-windows-xp-sp1a-.aspx < 1285268568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SP4: Replacing your nice registry option with a hex edit! < 1285268578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because professional users are morons.(TM) < 1285268603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google still looks fine in IE 5.0 :D < 1285268715 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1285268904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should still look reasonable in any web browser, actually. The only fancy stuff in there is Javascript. < 1285268926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it actually seems to have a for-crap-browsers version of the results page < 1285268931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which looks like it did in yonder days < 1285268948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet some people have some hack to use that as the main page :) < 1285268968 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bu < 1285269014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows File Protection Switcher 1.0" < 1285269016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't I know about this < 1285269020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1285269023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Oh well < 1285269202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1285269202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WPF < 1285269203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO < 1285269203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITS < 1285269204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING < 1285269205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CORE < 1285269205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF < 1285269206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1285269256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! I ran a patching tool and WPF complained, so it must be happy. < 1285269267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I declare the operation a success. < 1285269298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285269320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 16 bits for the opcode of instructions should be more than enough right? (8 is too few, and something in between is... annoying) < 1285269360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: variable length < 1285269371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well sure for the instruction < 1285269375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I meant for the *opcode* itself < 1285269378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to be able to store common, small things in very small space < 1285269380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so variable length opcodes < 1285269384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285269392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, nop or some very common move should just be one byte or so < 1285269395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1285269402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exchange-with-passing-directive-bitmasked-with-port-modulo-8 < 1285269410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should clearly not have a priority spot. < 1285269414 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I doubt I would have that one :P < 1285269419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know what i mean < 1285269424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do it vaguely like utf-8 < 1285269426 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1285269447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SOMEHOW IT IS THWARTING ME < 1285269495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, what about 1-63 for common 1-byte ones (opcode 0 should be invalid or such, that way, jumping to zero filled memory will be invalid), remaining ones for 16-bit ones? I have to check how many that gives me < 1285269605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY WIN2K DISC IS VERY BROKEN < 1285269608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERY BROKEN INDEED < 1285269618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, someone claiming microwaving food is bad for you because it uses radiation to cook your food, which puts radiation in your food < 1285269620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which causes cancer < 1285269631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am just smiling now and preparing my noose < 1285269637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to find an ISO *without any mother-fucking hacks applied at all* < 1285269641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: want mine? SP4 included! No serial required! < 1285269643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No fucking hacks. < 1285269650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it just has the serial check removed in the installer. That's it. < 1285269655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe is a version that never required it, OEM or something. < 1285269665 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I want the raw, as-put-on-disc ISO. < 1285269674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.torrentz.com/9dbe5e50f715eed52a9eb1c07220aee835f31ec1 < 1285269685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am pretty sure it is an OEM version that requires no cd key. < 1285269700 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmfkay. < 1285269708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, iirc OEM versions of xp were locked to some BIOS ID? Not sure about win2k < 1285269720 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOOOH < 1285269720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: XP started it. < 1285269723 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a ticket for jaywalking. < 1285269725 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so proud. < 1285269725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1285269732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now work on arson and murder. < 1285269739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, "jaywalking"? < 1285269740 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Baby steps. < 1285269747 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Crossing a street against a crossing signal. < 1285269748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It seems what he did is slipstream SP4 and add the serial to the auto-install config. < 1285269751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what the fuck? < 1285269754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah < 1285269760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised that you guys actually have jaywalking as an actual thing, and it's a crime. < 1285269778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, I crossed a road without the passenger light being on... two times today. < 1285269792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because... all the roads it crossed were either empty or red lighted. < 1285269799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you telling me this is actually illegal in America? < 1285269804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get *fined* for doing this? < 1285269805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory I don't think that is okay here either. But everyone does it. < 1285269810 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and people do it all the time. < 1285269815 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Same here. < 1285269825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LOVE HOW YOU GUYS VALUE THE RIGHTS OF CARS MORE THAN THE RIGHTS OF HUMANS < 1285269828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's totally great < 1285269828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The police only fine you if it's actually nearly-suicidal for you to do so. < 1285269832 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Uh, no. < 1285269832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt anyone would care though here, unless you are holding up traffic < 1285269839 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's also illegal to cross a street against a signal in a car. < 1285269840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if it was empty no one would care < 1285269849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: xD < 1285269854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally not the same thing, though. < 1285269858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no it isn't. < 1285269865 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why this is a $20 fine and that would be a $150 fine. < 1285269868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Except that pedestrians always always always have right of way. < 1285269874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's perfectly legal in the UK. < 1285269886 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right of way is distinct from legal passage. < 1285269887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And common law says that humans take priority (but it's not a right). < 1285269902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The penalty for it in the UK is, if you do it when there's cars there, you get hit by a car. < 1285269908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um, so if the car is driven by a human? < 1285269914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barbaric? Maybe. Effective? Yes. And it doesn't cost the state a thing! < 1285269929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, it happens automatically, even if no police officer is around to notice the crime. < 1285269936 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What sort of crazy cars do YOU have? HUMAN drivers? Huh? < 1285269945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The road system is very fucked up. < 1285269955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285269958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thin pavements, cars driving at ridiculous speeds with basically no regard for walkers or cyclists... < 1285269961 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, would not most drivers slow down in such a situation? < 1285269968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Ford Prefect didn't make such a stupid mistake after all. < 1285269978 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I mean, what if it is a blind person? Or a small child? < 1285269984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure, but who says they'll break in time? < 1285269987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zooooooooom. < 1285270008 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, s/break/brake/ ? < 1285270015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah whatever. < 1285270041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The crossing is pretty beastly where I'm talking about. < 1285270058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two streams of traffic coming in, and a stream going out. < 1285270071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that the electronics are a little overly cautious... < 1285270074 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Does Ford still make the "Ford Ka"? < 1285270076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "WSUS Offline Updater" is nice. It downloads all of the extent patches for a given version of Windows. < 1285270078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means you get held up for thirty seconds or so... < 1285270095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you learn to just cross when nothing's coming. Suicide is painless! < 1285270106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the road system. < 1285270108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which shall let me slipstream a 100% complete Win2k disc. < 1285270114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It appears so. < 1285270120 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hahahawesome. < 1285270124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wat < 1285270129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHY MUST YOU COMPETE WITH ME < 1285270132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL OBLITERATE YOUR VERY EXISTENCE < 1285270133 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Ford Ka is an American company making fun of your accent right to your face :P < 1285270145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tru dat < 1285270159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a Ford car, and this is a Ford Ka." < 1285270181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Ka is a car; one car is a Ka. A Ford Ka is a Ford car. Ford Ka's a Ford car." < 1285270184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I just wants a Windows VM < 1285270192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't hurt < 1285270202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why must it always hurt? < 1285270227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So fund Micro2k! < 1285270365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1285270370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shell32.nt4" is actually meant to be called that < 1285270372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not .dll < 1285270439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION curses at bittorrent < 1285270445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot find peers. < 1285270454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dude. < 1285270457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the tracker list. < 1285270459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you use torrentz.com < 1285270471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.torrentz.com/9dbe5e50f715eed52a9eb1c07220aee835f31ec1 --> click uTorrent compatible list --> < 1285270474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select all, paste into torrent client < 1285270478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWOOM INSTANT SPEED < 1285270492 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uTorrent is best? < 1285270504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How do with rtorrent? < 1285270513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to google) < 1285270556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: rtorrent is fucking painful in its UI. < 1285270568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's the standard list format < 1285270573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurr let's implement a usual ui using ncurses and the keyboard hurr < 1285270598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Suggestions? < 1285270638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Transmission. Not only does it have a daemon/command-line-client version, it also has a really nice GTK UI. < 1285270641 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ka for bil e ford ka? < 1285270646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a local web version, if you're into that. < 1285270652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, Qt too. < 1285270655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1285270656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ncurses. < 1285270667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although the curses one is in a git repo.) < 1285270672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: K < 1285270770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img48.exs.cx/img48/1732/sometime0ed.png < 1285270776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft does have a sense of humour! < 1285270900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So, how do you add a tracker list to Transmission? < 1285270951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there we go. < 1285270959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yep. :P < 1285271000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1285271021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY INFERNAL MACHINE WHY < 1285271116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transmission is definitely superior to rtorrent. < 1285271221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: the server/client thing is only done if you explicitly do that, and I think only their specific transmission-remote can actually connect to it. But that's not really much of a problem.) < 1285271224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, and the web interface too.) < 1285271237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dear God it works. < 1285271243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT 4 Explorer. < 1285271245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Windows 2000. < 1285271247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1285271260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, the patched version posted by THE MOST AWESOME PERSON EVER has the XP Professional gradient thing on the start menu but WHO CARES?? < 1285271276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sure it has the kinda weird circa-95 full-colour icons but that's what editing resources is for. < 1285271278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING AWESOME < 1285271285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be a simple patch to get it to use the Win2k gradient. < 1285271289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Of course it's... a bit buggy. < 1285271294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double click on my computer --> Find: All Files < 1285271296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Should* be a resource, after all. < 1285271310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XDD "[X] Run in separate memory space" (greyed out) < 1285271313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the Run dialogue < 1285271335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1285271340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Double clicking is Find..., not Open < 1285271343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that could easily be rectified < 1285271372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory usage of explorer.exe: six megabytes. < 1285271377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I like to see. < 1285271395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So then, how do I add a torrent tracker? < 1285271403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: To what? < 1285271415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Haha wow it has the active desktop tab in display settings. < 1285271418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transmission, probably... < 1285271433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, that's a seperate DLL. < 1285271436 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what I am doing. < 1285271444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Double click torrent, or just go to its properties in some other way. Click "Trackers". Click "Add". Or, just click the edit button and paste a list in. < 1285271465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It even works with network shares. < 1285271509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Another thing that would need to be corrected: Shows the irritating computer icon on folders that are shared or whatever, which basically means all the programs you've installed in the programs menu. < 1285271513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, this is minor stuff. < 1285271515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This works almost perfectly. < 1285271529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: IT EVEN WORKS WITH THE CONTROL PANEL < 1285271631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Folder options control panel doesn't work though. Obviously. < 1285271776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What we are learning today: NT changes very little. < 1285271806 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285271843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even rebooting works. < 1285271895 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1285272049 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1285272053 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285272061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It definitely has its share of glitches, like displaying a dozen instances of Task Manager in the systray, among other things." < 1285272071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apparently you can extract the NT files from an update. < 1285272129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------- < 1285272129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Printers < 1285272129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------- < 1285272129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough storage is available to complete this operation. < 1285272129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------- < 1285272130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1285272132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--------------------------- < 1285272134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Printers folder: don't fuck with it. < 1285272178 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to #esoteric, where alise prefixes every messages with pikhq < 1285272203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but it's all one continuous stream about running the NT4 Explorer in Windows 2k! < 1285272205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just trying to pikhq or interest < 1285272208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*our < 1285272243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ Start ] <- Click here to begin. < 1285272243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1285272292 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 2000 was nice, with updated drivers (and maybe 64-bit support) it would easily be the best windows evar < 1285272345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, windows 95 still holds that crown < 1285272349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which me and pikhq are trying to rectify < 1285272354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool nt4 explorer crashed :) < 1285272389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wonder how Chrome likes being run in NT4's explorer. < 1285272410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may freak. < 1285272477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't support Win2k. < 1285272542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdownport < 1285272575 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opera apparently still works on windows 95, but it's not supported < 1285272673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works great yeah < 1285272675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it does < 1285272677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :juts not officially < 1285272683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It lists Windows 95 as a minimum requirement, I thought < 1285272685 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, okay. < 1285272691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just < 1285272694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to install it manually < 1285272783 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@188-22-126-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1285272980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flonk. < 1285272989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder which of Opera and Chrome would actually run better on 2000. < 1285272990 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yus < 1285273034 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes he had a class browser and knew how to use it < 1285273252 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285273284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harpyon! < 1285273293 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1285273317 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up? :P < 1285273351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a harpyon the particle of which harpies are made? < 1285273352 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285273355 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285273396 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is what you want it to be :) < 1285273409 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No "official" meaning :P < 1285273839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google.no suggests i mean "Harpyørn" < 1285273915 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285274273 0 :Slereah!~nigger@ANantes-259-1-3-97.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285274390 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emergency maintenance! < 1285274405 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of emergency could it me? < 1285274407 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*be < 1285274420 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285274436 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285274588 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-217-218.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1285274647 0 :iGO!iGO@62.169.120.133.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1285274698 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285274708 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An advert on TV has just said that the internet is the most important invention of the 21st century. < 1285274714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION despairs. < 1285274719 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285274760 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. 2 is clearly accurate timekeeping < 1285274856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. 2? < 1285274874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the internet < 1285274915 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that ARM EABI takes a very progressive stance on floating point equality. < 1285274919 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((float) whatever == (float) whatever_else) always => false < 1285274925 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if they're bit-per-bit identical. < 1285274951 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conversely, != is always true, even if they're bit-per-bit identical. < 1285274957 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excluding infinity and NaN cases of course. < 1285275156 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285275209 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Rand cultists are forbidden from using floating point stuff. < 1285275223 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating point is the root of most evil. < 1285275240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION _thinks_ he gets Phantom_Hoover's reference < 1285275268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answers on a postcard. < 1285275294 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mailed to somewhere in aisa < 1285275362 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, (double) sqrt(evil); < 1285275664 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1285275665 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1285275671 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285275697 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-126.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285275702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or is Facebook collapsing under its own weight? < 1285275717 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just you < 1285275725 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's totally collapsed < 1285275753 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been gradual, too. lately notifications and chat has been failing, and earlier today it all just stopped < 1285275816 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's dead right now. < 1285275828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! < 1285275831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anarchy! < 1285275834 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And unfortunately, it probably gets more traffic while dead than while alive :P < 1285275840 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's tough for it to come back up. < 1285275841 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, it's kind of awesome :P < 1285275852 0 :marchdown_!~marchdown@91.79.36.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285275852 0 :marchdown_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1285276018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look, it came back. < 1285276067 0 :marchdown_!~marchdown@91.79.36.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285276102 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back already? < 1285276105 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah :P < 1285276132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, will they not be telling us why this happened? < 1285276148 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably just spilt coffee on a server or something < 1285276198 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unavailable again? < 1285276218 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noöne knows. < 1285276862 0 :marchdown_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: marchdown_ < 1285277728 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1285278655 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285278931 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285279248 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1285279614 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.207 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285280017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : An advert on TV has just said that the internet is the most important invention of the 21st century. < 1285280019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i hate that one >_< < 1285280046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who has EVER seen the stupid confused.com logo thing as female before, either? < 1285280055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she even morphs when she goes back in at the end to look male < 1285280066 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the LOGO, silly. < 1285280073 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't go around changing it! < 1285280079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285280137 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, not without paying an ad company to dynamically synergise it with the proactive paradigm! < 1285280452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Every pageload in IE, NTx4r (en tee ex four er; NT4 explorer) crashes and reloads. :) < 1285280600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sads at Diaspora not being written by competent persons < 1285280691 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-73-165-42.dsl.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285280692 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285280692 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285280747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: make the processor 72-bit < 1285280766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, 96-bit! < 1285280768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's half-way to 128-bit < 1285280775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, that was that magic social network, yes? < 1285280814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already knew they weren't competent: they think *facebook* was a damn good idea, if only it was more nerdy < 1285280838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if facebook was anything less than being nearly the death of people communicating in non-infuriating ways with even a hint of intelligence < 1285280872 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285281108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I... don't think NT 4 has quick launch. < 1285281111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is... not good. < 1285281150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285281166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have a theory that Opera is actually powered by the annoyingness of its default interface. < 1285281177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They make it stupider every release. < 1285281207 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : as if facebook was anything less than being nearly the death of people communicating in non-infuriating ways with even a hint of intelligence <-- myspace? < 1285281222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nobody with a hint of intelligence signed up for myspace in the first place, so no loss < 1285281231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah good point < 1285281242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok i did sign up but only to be snarky and that was before facebook was anything more than for the pretentious college kids < 1285281257 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1285281270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, never signed up to facebook I hope? < 1285281290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did, but in my defence it had just been released to the public and still had a reputation of being far less stupid than myspace. < 1285281293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, there were no apps. < 1285281301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285281308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last time i signed in was to play go with a friend to avoid the hassle and unlikelihood of him installing gnu go < 1285281319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this lasted a very short time, as i am the only person worse than him at go < 1285281335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, i'm not actually using nt4 < 1285281347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've just transplanted NT4's (i.e. Windows 95's) Explorer onto Win2k < 1285281357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it controls the desktop, the file management, the task bar and the start menu < 1285281372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and logging out, shutting down and rebooting, of which it can do none, but i'm sure that can be fixed < 1285281521 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285281573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it hasn't entirely figured out click-minimising yet, either < 1285281581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in clicking on the taskbar < 1285281584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how goes your efforts? < 1285281682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: windizupdate works perfectly. < 1285281765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Agda have any merit as a dependent programming language? < 1285281832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a terrible proof assistant, but... < 1285281838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: As research, sure. < 1285281842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the worst thing ever. < 1285281846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The devs are mostly nice people. < 1285281856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that a lot of stupid people have promoted it in very stupid ways. < 1285281869 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the devs pretend it's a proof assistant? < 1285281937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they pretend you can do some sort of proving with it < 1285281945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you said you were gonna prove riemann i doubt they'd recommend it. < 1285281948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely a research project < 1285281949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you *can*, just not at all well. < 1285281973 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of XChat-GNOME's quirks is starting to get at me < 1285281981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Bah < 1285281990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I decided that long jumps and call must go to an even address. That has the advantage of being able to use LSB to indicate absolute/relative IP < 1285282007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: bah what? < 1285282008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone writes multiple lines in a row, the nick is only shown for the first < 1285282017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humbug. < 1285282018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you can disable that. but if you're gonna fuck with settings, install xchat < 1285282021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i mean to what :P < 1285282027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humbugs. < 1285282029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ew < 1285282034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: make it an extra 1-bit parameter < 1285282072 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but that means instructions won't start at byte boundaries! < 1285282111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you have no knowledge of the risc my friend < 1285282115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pad it out to a byte, but don't pad < 1285282118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it do something useful instead < 1285282122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285282126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, let it serve as small constant storage < 1285282132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps do something to a register < 1285282137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not joking, this is basically how you design a risc! :p < 1285282139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and okay, Now it is an extra 1 bit parameter. It is stored after the 31 most significant bits of the address :P < 1285282150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Coq even *do* when it compiles? < 1285282159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, err 63 I meant < 1285282160 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 31 < 1285282183 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as for the constant, hm, for what in a jump < 1285282185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or call < 1285282197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just make it get put somewhere < 1285282200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or shift some value < 1285282202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1285282203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: clever < 1285282205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hah < 1285282215 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that explains some weirdness of some RISC :P < 1285282262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway I can't think of any other useful addressing modes than abs/relative pc for jumps and calls < 1285282266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that limits that < 1285282272 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some other it is obvious < 1285282299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of some multiple? < 1285282302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps power addresses < 1285282306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a crazy executable b-tree < 1285282315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where it literally jumps around the binary tree! < 1285282325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, bit shift? Ah, you have the flags: rotate, arithmetic, rip/abs/off-reg < 1285282334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sounds fun < 1285282346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, requires executable code though, and you're too boring to do that < 1285282358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, executable code? < 1285282358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1285282364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1285282367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :executable data, you know what i mean < 1285282367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data? < 1285282374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you'd store the binary tree lookup stuff in the tree itself < 1285282376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jump around it < 1285282388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and that will obviously be supported. As well as having a NX flag, because no-execute is good sometimes < 1285282404 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but executable data will probably be supported < 1285282407 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an useful feature < 1285282459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh and I went for 256-bit SIMD. 128-bit is so boring < 1285282525 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and I'm considering making the SIMD subset of instructions form a VLIW group. Not VLIW as in IA64 exactly though. < 1285282553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather that horizontal vs. vertical kind of thing < 1285282558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now however: night < 1285282908 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285282926 0 :EOF!461e5606@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.30.86.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285282930 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN < 1285282933 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1285282934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1285282937 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRACTRAN < 1285282939 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1285282959 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1285282980 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLEEP: < 1285282987 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO SLEEP < 1285283007 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that'll just put you into an active loop. < 1285283047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Falctortran < 1285283049 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285283061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Subpixel antialiasing on Windows 2000; discuss. < 1285283080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: This is a legitimate argument for using a highly stripped XP. < 1285283089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nonono, as in, I have it. < 1285283094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could even say that I has it. < 1285283099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh. Awesomeness. < 1285283109 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn commit -F suicide_note.txt suicide.c < 1285283116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nay, that's definitely hot sex. < 1285283125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Verily, hot sex." < 1285283148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.cobyx.com/software/gdi/ < 1285283152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on unmaintained: http://drwatson.nobody.jp/gdi++/index-en.html < 1285283162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It links to a 2ch thread and a Japanese page about the new version they're doing, but whatever. < 1285283168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: By god yes. < 1285283170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Note: Tweaking the ini is a pain and such, but. < 1285283178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Configuration three in gditray defaults is quite nice. < 1285283181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably beats fontconfig. < 1285283183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're all a little bit under-hinted. < 1285283195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As in, sometimes it seems to completely ignore the ini. < 1285283202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Eeeeew. < 1285283208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, no. < 1285283213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you use one of the 1/2/3 ini files it works. < 1285283222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I have never before seen NT4 explorer using subpixel antialiasing. < 1285283227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually maybe that screenshot of it in XP had it. < 1285283229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still! < 1285283235 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1285283242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it actually smooths /Microsoft Sans Serif/ < 1285283247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can even smooth Terminal < 1285283257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahm < 1285283259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ah, no, not terminal < 1285283296 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminus without aa < 1285283297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have to give Microsoft credit for at least having fonts that look decent while aliased. < 1285283301 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and aesome, and vims < 1285283305 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome* < 1285283340 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and urxvt < 1285283342 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no icons < 1285283348 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wallpaper < 1285283355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Microsoft Sans Serif, BTW, is the Truetype version of MS Sans Serif. < 1285283358 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no window borders < 1285283362 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yayayay < 1285283365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Err, right. < 1285283372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Unfortunately you can't antialias window titles or the default menu font. :) < 1285283379 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLEEP: < 1285283385 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO SLEEP < 1285283396 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coma, rather < 1285283436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And no, I don't know how to make GDI++Tuner save, either. < 1285283437 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1285283474 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody should leak the windows source code, then make GPL'd versions of every file < 1285283503 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft would never admit the whole source was leaked < 1285283504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF: Wouldn't work the way you think. < 1285283505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF: you are a moron < 1285283510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ReactOS. < 1285283513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : EOF: Wouldn't work the way you think. < 1285283513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : EOF: you are a moron < 1285283516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two paths were taken that day < 1285283517 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1285283578 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cd suicide < 1285283580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ever noticed how nice Palatino Linotype is? No? That must be the GDI++ talking. < 1285283616 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svn commit -m "Farewell, cruel world!" < 1285283650 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters about niche music being impossible to pirate < 1285283669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want something other than shitty MP3s from a decade ago. < 1285283674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not quite true... < 1285283675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it can be. < 1285283693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a knack to it, you know < 1285283694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*know? < 1285283698 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1285283712 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTO isohunt.com < 1285283712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The problem is that I'm picky. < 1285283735 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :torrents often have proper 320kbps encoding of songs < 1285283747 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evern for your niche shit < 1285283752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF: That's not proper, that's evil. < 1285283760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: gdippManager may be better than gditray. Not sure. < 1285283766 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1285283769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF: you are even more of a moron than previously suspected. < 1285283772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the LAME developers hate you < 1285283774 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people use mp3 < 1285283774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, if you're going to use lossy encoding you should use one that's lower quality but still effectively transparent. < 1285283778 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285283783 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i HATE IT < 1285283785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like -V2 --joint-stereo. < 1285283786 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1285283787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you're going to use a high bitrate encoding you might as well use FLAC. < 1285283803 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAC ft < 1285283806 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINN < 1285283811 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why does Flash keep crashing? < 1285283814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :320 kbps MP3 is the worst of all worlds. < 1285283818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: because it hates you < 1285283820 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's flash < 1285283831 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make it not crash? < 1285283836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't run it. < 1285283839 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by not using it < 1285283843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yay, I got the config working. < 1285283850 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 < 1285283853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is waaay too much hinting. < 1285283858 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't alise p,laying with OSS or something to get it working? < 1285283867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash always sucks < 1285283867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal < 1285283873 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with < 1285283874 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1285283895 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION deals with it all over your mom < 1285283916 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1285283933 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had way too much programming serum < 1285283984 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C8H10N4O2 < 1285283993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you < 1285284008 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate me too < 1285284010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Grr, it's so tricky to tweak. < 1285284018 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky to eat < 1285284119 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285284128 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eicky to treat < 1285284151 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treky to eicat < 1285284164 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eicay to trekt < 1285284178 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eicayt otrekt < 1285284200 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eicakt otreyt < 1285284207 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fuck spider goats: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End%20of%20the%20World/Genetics%20Nightmare/spider_goats.htm < 1285284265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Any luck with GDI++? < 1285284272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Configuring it is the biggest bitch in the history of bitch. < 1285284299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not been futzing with it. < 1285284403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Perl, if I'm using a dynamically scoped variable, say, set something at the top level, get it at some subroutine somewhere? < 1285284410 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might something in the middle accidentally modify it? < 1285284415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, report: It is possible to run an operating system from 2000 with a desktop shell from 1996 and modern subpixel rendering technology that involves hacking the fundamental graphics library from 2006. < 1285284419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all of this basically works. < 1285284431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what? < 1285284435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _think_ Factor avoids this. Variable names are words in vocabularies, so no collisions < 1285284456 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should write something quickly < 1285284477 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285284537 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that says something! < 1285284544 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno exactly what though < 1285284551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, and what it says is this: Microsoft are really crazy about backwards compatibility. < 1285284558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... forwards... compatibility. < 1285284571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Dear God You Are Molesting My Files compatibility. < 1285284654 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/G0ptn < 1285284666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://offset.skew.org/wiki/User:Mjb/GDI%2B%2B < 1285284667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paaain < 1285284679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: word wrap fail. < 1285284748 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.207 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285284789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: tl;dr japs are doing their crazy thing and developing new perfect version. mortals sit baffled < 1285284836 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1285284869 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your summary is awesome, I wonder if it implies awesomeness in the actual thing < 1285284869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What do you think of Server 2003? < 1285284876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Windows 2000 but for XP. < 1285284891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it basically hacks custom font rendering -- in the new version, freetype -- into windows' GDI library < 1285284895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is awesome in the oh god trauma way < 1285284948 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mom < 1285284955 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285284970 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;| < 1285285046 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: From what I've seen of it, it... Doesn't suck. < 1285285056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe we should... < 1285285067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it's a "professional" OS, instead of end-user tinkertoy bullshit. < 1285285080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which counts for a lot. < 1285285080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You can push it into workstation mode. < 1285285098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With sufficient rohypnol. Uh, forget I said that. < 1285285099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. 2003 Pro is the workstation version. < 1285285108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not end-user tinkertoy bullshit. :) < 1285285108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean you can push the actual server version into workstation mode. < 1285285118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1285285455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it can reboot now. < 1285285471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Built on NT Technology" -> "Built on New Technology Technology" < 1285285476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's smrt. < 1285285519 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't know that the T in NT stands for technology, you will need it written out for the sentence to make sence < 1285285521 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sense < 1285285538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah :P < 1285285563 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get what the big deal is with "lol, same word wice in a row if you expand the acronym" < 1285285564 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285285581 0 :TwokNT4GDIpp!5b68efe0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.104.239.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285285589 0 :TwokNT4GDIpp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is the technology I am using right now. Also Opera. < 1285285596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i don't care like some stupid people do < 1285285600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found it a bit amusing in this case < 1285285604 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: good! :D < 1285285612 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "scsi interface" means a whole lot more than "a scsi" < 1285285626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ATM machine HURRR and whenever anyone says 'radar ranging' I'm ON their ass" < 1285285691 0 :TwokNT4GDIpp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is perverse. < 1285285721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_i860 < 1285285751 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I wonder if I can set up my shell to run everything through time, I'm almost obsessed with timing my commands but always forget to add 'time ' on the beginning and then I have to start all over again :) < 1285285792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: send the time output to a temporary file and store it in a variable :) < 1285285812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance "times" would cat the time of the last command < 1285285817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"times 1" second-last < 1285285818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"times 2" etc < 1285285820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*etc. < 1285285826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to about 10 recorded times < 1285285836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: and hide the output normally < 1285285841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all, there's no kill like overkill < 1285285842 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeees, but I would have to run through time and store the times anyway < 1285285862 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might as well just *display* it as part of the prompt :) < 1285285888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1285285986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i have this crazy suspicion you use zsh < 1285286021 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285286025 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use it but then I reinstalled and realized I was too lazy to configure a non-standard shell < 1285286036 0 :EOF!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285286122 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1285286248 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The i860 did see some use in the workstation world as a graphics accelerator. It was used, for instance, in the NeXTdimension, where it ran a cut-down version of the Mach kernel running a complete PostScript stack." < 1285286262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I, ehird, am a "electric humanoid intelligent robotic daemon™" < 1285286264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1285286269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: haha < 1285286278 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's such an awesome use for a general-purpose processor