< 1285372917 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got the compressed air. < 1285372921 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About to start vacuuming < 1285372949 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I now have this: http://j.mearie.org/post/1181041789/brainfuck-interpreter-in-2-lines-of-c < 1285372958 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 160 bytes enough? ;) < 1285372963 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: pah, it's three characters in J < 1285372980 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how? < 1285372994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: unfortunately, Unicode is not big enough to contain them! < 1285373005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a brain, and then [censored], and then an IO relay. < 1285373010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: lies) < 1285373013 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285373015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, I ended up with a slightly large program than a tweet" -- no, no, Twitter is a website where you can twit twats! < 1285373023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not tweet tweets! :-P < 1285373041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: isn't read/write shorter than syscalls? < 1285373060 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: have tested it, but it didn't. < 1285373070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it isn't compliant < 1285373073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing on non-instruction chars < 1285373079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, calling main recursively is verboten, i'm pretty sure < 1285373084 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, that's after I run N1> ddrescue --no-split /dev/sda imagefile logfile < 1285373090 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, just needed a reminder < 1285373102 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite old school, I admit < 1285373103 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The device will probably be different. That's ok, right? < 1285373124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: wow, telling Chrome to translate the crazy network post was a mistake < 1285373126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm going to feel lived several years in KAIST, KAIST network through the ranks at the KAIST She can not think. What I have in the school network, six sigma, it's just asking for your availability, "a little less" hope the dead, still comes to the school network, obesity, increased noticeably, thanks to Ross Ping KAIST FTPalso left a lasting impact. Hanggongeopgyenya what you guys have? When the rain delay?" < 1285373136 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: hahaha < 1285373136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's art! < 1285373149 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :machine translation is art. < 1285373167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :korean is optimised for machine translation art < 1285373182 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that is about a problem of discarding HTTP packet with words "||", "from", "*" and "set" in that order < 1285373188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://j.mearie.org/post/862288439&act=url < 1285373193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link to the translation < 1285373199 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gateway silently discards packets after them < 1285373203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But ... in my dorm under the posts once the bitter blow that almost never got to writing? That's so strange: I've checked, this came out." < 1285373206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : korean is optimised for machine translation art <-- indeed < 1285373215 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swedish<->English or such generally works better < 1285373218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had no idea what the post was about until you told me, but i didn't care < 1285373222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was beautiful enough < 1285373227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar language family though < 1285373249 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every CJK language has that problem. ;) < 1285373280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, what about CJK<->CJK? < 1285373300 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vacuum appears to have had little to no effect < 1285373312 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: J-K is very readable, but C-K and J-K is far from perfect < 1285373321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: you could put the star there with &#foo < 1285373324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*&#foo; < 1285373326 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly due to the SVO and SOV order < 1285373332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also... < 1285373335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|| from * set < 1285373337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh HTTP packets only < 1285373338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn ;) < 1285373356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, not a high power vacuum? The Miele at home tends to be very very efficient < 1285373357 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more accurately, HTTP-like packets ;) < 1285373386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir, hm < 1285373394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 OK HTTP/1.1 < 1285373398 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a lot of the dust was actually caught in te metal < 1285373399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-type: text/plain < 1285373399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1285373401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|| from * set < 1285373411 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need different screwdriver < 1285373430 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I didn't test HTTP response... but it detects HTTP requests < 1285373433 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the minimum < 1285373439 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: &dragon; &maiden; &knight; < 1285373529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1285373899 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/SjRd8.jpg < 1285374131 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I saw a thing of dust go under the motherboard < 1285374415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duts < 1285374488 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes be didn't just damage an epectronics < 1285374498 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the stuff look liquidy < 1285374763 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1285375206 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/MHcC < 1285375398 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a problem.... < 1285375442 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added the BytePusher logo to the table of contents page of the ByrePusher implementation, just like the BytePusher logo in the wiki < 1285375443 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/kGgUu.jpg < 1285375465 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think this problem is resolvable. I think they just wont fit < 1285375475 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, alise? < 1285375591 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, wake up, somebody! < 1285375761 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In hardware incompetence, no one can hear you scream < 1285375896 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: What is your problem? < 1285375912 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to put HD in computer. Cannot < 1285375913 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like that is the wrong kind of connection < 1285375917 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1285375951 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to get a different hard drive!! < 1285375967 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. This hard drive is broken, and has stuff on it < 1285375972 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you want to transfer the files, go somewhere else borrow a computer with both) < 1285375990 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe an external disk mount thingy? < 1285376017 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an old HD that I haven't looked at in years. Maybe ill go check it out < 1285376087 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Yes, use an external connector if you have one of that < 1285376102 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285376106 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to buy one < 1285376679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : No. This hard drive is broken, and has stuff on it <-- you can't mix PATA with SATA obviously < 1285376687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, the computer has PATA, the drive is SATA < 1285376688 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1285376700 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1285376790 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, there's an ancient HD that I want to take a look at. First thing I'll do, SMART, if there are significant errors ill back this up too < 1285376793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, also, putting a disk upside down like that makes me nervous. Don't run it upside down (should work but...) < 1285376809 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That disk isn't in there anymore < 1285376813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, if it is ancient it's probably PATA < 1285376839 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ancient drive is PATA. does PATA not have SMART? < 1285376948 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, it may or may not < 1285376955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, really old drives won't < 1285376966 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that must be like 2001 or earlier < 1285376999 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1285377004 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, the drive in my old ibook lacks SMART < 1285377191 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285377235 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Parted Magic starting sshd? < 1285377315 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be two drives in the machine. It's only seeing one < 1285377330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, did you put in the correct jumpers < 1285377334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to do that for PATA < 1285377348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, before changing that *TURN OFF THE SYSTEM* < 1285377368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, do under no circumstances change jumpers when the system is connected to power < 1285377369 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : O, it sees the drives < 1285377375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, ? < 1285377376 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The smart tool only saw one < 1285377409 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, I hope you put one as master and one as slave (unless existing one was as cable select, then put all as cable select) < 1285377414 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no, those are partitions < 1285377437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, see what I said wrt jumpers at back of pata drives < 1285377488 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, didn't see labels, so hoped for the best. Will check < 1285377506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, and *TURN OFF BEFORE CHANGING* < 1285377518 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, changing live = probably going to short a lot of stuff < 1285377524 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The case is back on.. < 1285377541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, well, before you change that you need to turn the thing off and unplug < 1285377544 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I wouldn't even dream of touching a live computer < 1285377548 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1285377562 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think I'm an idiot? Oh wait... < 1285377573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, as a matter of fact: yes I do < 1285377594 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also award of Tue danger of static electricity < 1285377615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, hot plugging anything inside a computer is best left for experts in data centers. < 1285377626 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not possible on consumer PCs < 1285377640 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1285377664 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, well, there are some sort of servers where you can hot plug RAM. Or even CPUs < 1285377674 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1285377679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't try at home < 1285377686 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs special hardware < 1285377692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't know about it, you don't have it < 1285378176 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-67-237.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285378177 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285378177 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285378186 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, stop talking to me like I'm an idiot < 1285378192 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to repeat yourself < 1285378209 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, does the software need to co-operate too? What OSes can do it? < 1285378224 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I assume all such machines are multi-CPU if CPUs are hot-swappable < 1285378232 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they go to sleep while the CPU is out < 1285378366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they're multi-CPU. And there is OS support needed. < 1285378376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Support for it is almost exclusively in UNIX systems. < 1285378394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think it's *possible* for it to be in Windows) < 1285378490 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the jumper stuff is unlabelled < 1285378568 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/yXocA.jpg < 1285378641 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, what about the top < 1285378644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the bottom < 1285378654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, one of them generally have labels describing the jumpers < 1285378656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, -_- < 1285378676 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it, ty < 1285378685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Although, does the software need to co-operate too? What OSes can do it? <-- linux can iirc. < 1285378690 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I check what the other drive has? < 1285378695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And I assume all such machines are multi-CPU if CPUs are hot-swappable <--- and yes < 1285378706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, if the other one has master, this one should be slave < 1285378709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and opposite < 1285378713 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is what you means < 1285378714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean* < 1285378720 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, on the same cable that is < 1285378736 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what is Cap Limit? < 1285378738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, if you connected it to the cable with CD on it, then it needs to be the same there < 1285378758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, um... guessing here... compat mode for old BIOSes < 1285378761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't touch that stuff < 1285378806 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can just check the drive that used to be in there, because that worked < 1285378841 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I got my hands on an old Dell Latitude D610. Which linux distro should I install? < 1285378842 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want quadrocopter! < 1285378850 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: debian < 1285378861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, boring, I want to try something exotic < 1285378869 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: LFS < 1285378875 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... there is no jumper < 1285378905 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, ? < 1285378926 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, check what no jumper means on the other drive then < 1285378928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps cable select? < 1285378937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case both drives should be on cable select < 1285378944 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the label on the other drive < 1285378949 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot swappable computers < 1285378952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, a bit tricky then < 1285378955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1285378956 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, as in the removed one < 1285378958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise, I got my hands on an old Dell Latitude D610. Which linux distro should I install? < 1285378960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old? < 1285378964 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Checking actually attached one now < 1285378965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what kinda specs < 1285378976 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to hot-swap my whole laptop at once so that my system would still run < 1285378980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Pentium M @ 1.86 GHz < 1285378992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 512 MB RAM < 1285378996 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1285379003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 55 GB HDD < 1285379007 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go for fedora < 1285379018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPM... ewww no < 1285379018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to say fedora for no particular reason, but eff you nooga < 1285379026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: note: people use rpm as much as dpkg nowadays < 1285379033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people have foul memories of rpm because of dependency hell < 1285379036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like pure dpkg would have ;) < 1285379041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm thinking arch or maybe nixos? < 1285379054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NixOS would be cool < 1285379061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, thinking what else < 1285379074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, the choice is obvious! < 1285379075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD < 1285379076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, can you put nixos on a usb stick? I'm a bit short on CD-R currently < 1285379082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i did < 1285379085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is very very painful < 1285379090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not that painful < 1285379091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1285379094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it was my mistake < 1285379095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and which BSD? It isn't a toaster, so it can't be NetBSD < 1285379098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather the web server's mistake < 1285379105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well FreeBSD is the boring linuxy one < 1285379112 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to remove the drive to get a good look < 1285379117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenBSD is gonna try and stop you even USING such an insecure machine! < 1285379119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well I used freebsd quite a bit < 1285379122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why bsd at all < 1285379135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DragonflyBSD has, according to cpressey, a bit of a weird culture like FreeBSD < 1285379139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NetBSD's software is a bit old < 1285379144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(X is a few major versions out of date) < 1285379155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the computer is old ;) < 1285379156 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and this is not a toaster, even though it gets quite hot easily < 1285379157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because linux is boring now! < 1285379169 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose guessing what jumpers mean is a bad thing? < 1285379171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NO WAIT I KNOW < 1285379175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: FUCKING MASTODON < 1285379179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: put mastodon on it < 1285379181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hah < 1285379185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not have been updated for yonks, but neither has your laptop been < 1285379187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's fucking awesome < 1285379189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux 2.0! < 1285379197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XFree86 version OLD! < 1285379200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD userland! < 1285379202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, if I can get it on an usb stick, and I doubt that < 1285379208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could < 1285379212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's floppies or an install CD < 1285379213 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mastodon? < 1285379217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the install CD is about 500-600 MiB < 1285379220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, floppies = tricky < 1285379222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: the most retro linux distro ever < 1285379224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so do it with a CD < 1285379226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: use unetbootin < 1285379231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can put any bootable iso onto a usb stick < 1285379235 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1285379242 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/irLDq.jpg < 1285379248 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd go for plain FreeBSD < 1285379259 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dragonfly is also quite cool < 1285379260 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any idea? < 1285379269 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and NetBSD's software is a bit old <-- it DOES keep at least some of the software in its repos up to date < 1285379271 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boring and sane alternative would be Arch. < 1285379282 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: run Plan9 natively < 1285379283 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the thing that didn't work is currently slave, so trying cs would make sense < 1285379293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: arch is i686 < 1285379296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far too modern to be allowed < 1285379303 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, this is pentium m < 1285379304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: cpressey has soured me to dragonfly :P < 1285379306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um < 1285379307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: TOO MODERN < 1285379308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285379320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I verified from ubuntu livecd that all those Fn-whatever work under it < 1285379321 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1285379327 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta go to sleep < 1285379328 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if these keys are the same, the CD is not master, so.. < 1285379331 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so good night all < 1285379342 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it? < 1285379368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://i.imgur.com/irLDq.jpg <-- just a blur? < 1285379401 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, another idea: temporarily unplug the cd while this is happening < 1285379405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~bokeh~ < 1285379409 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you are on the safe side < 1285379415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how much are you charging SgeoN1 for this undeferred consultancy? < 1285379434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, $1/ms < 1285379464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some people seem to think that C is a real programming language, but they are sadly mistaken. It really is about writing almost-portable assembly language, and it turns out that getting good results from SHA1 really is mostly about trying to fight the compilers tendency to try to be clever." --Linus Torvalds < 1285379466 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/irLDq.jpg < 1285379473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think when you told that C is not real prog lang then you meant it is not Turing Complaint. But, it is really hard to prove C is not Turing Equivalent. Can you please give one example?." --Chandra Shekhar Tewary, in a comment on the post < 1285379474 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and I expect he repays this by actually learning after this < 1285379481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being retarded: It's what's for dinner! < 1285379487 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://i.imgur.com/irLDq.jpg <-- yeees, just a blur < 1285379495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is completely useless to see anything < 1285379497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wow @ his blogger profile < 1285379498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Humanized Useless Motion Particle located on the Earth..still learning how to walk alone without harming ecosystem. ETL Designer/Unix Shell Programmer/Lyricist." < 1285379505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i think SgeoN1 is trying to be artistic < 1285379509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell because of the bokeh! < 1285379528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't see any book < 1285379535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think the green thing is a jumper... < 1285379536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh < 1285379543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're an amateur photographer, you should know this :P < 1285379556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm I deal in panophoto < 1285379563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in mumbo-jumbo < 1285379577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no jargon! < 1285379583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the field of computing we know nothing of it < 1285379588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed! < 1285379590 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, ill just try CS < 1285379599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you actually aim for anything when making photos or do you just like it if it's 360 degrees < 1285379608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that panorama you did in that room looking out that window was hideously boring < 1285379618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I aim for some great scenic views < 1285379621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when out in nature < 1285379639 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and that one in the room was a test one, for the panobot < 1285379642 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figures it out < 1285379645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it was raining outside... < 1285379653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and I wanted to test that it worked :P < 1285379661 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while ago, I cannabalized a computer for its CD drive < 1285379664 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so yes boring < 1285379671 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The drive is still here < 1285379677 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's set to CS < 1285379788 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the worst that happens if the drive is upside down? The cable barely reaches like this < 1285379927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ask as many questions in real life? < 1285379938 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N/m < 1285380214 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got everything to fit, closing computer < 1285380242 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I asked more questions. Like, "May I sit next to you? " < 1285380251 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting better at that one < 1285380261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1285380272 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1285380293 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285380554 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really, really make a custom grub CD soon < 1285380568 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would make my life much easier < 1285380593 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to have a grub floppy when I had issues with my computer < 1285380611 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To help me to boot into Ubuntu instead of Freespire < 1285380628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD DAMMIT GUY WITH THE µTORRENT, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DOWNLOAD FROM ME < 1285380645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A GOOD SHARE RATIO WHEN NOBODY DOWNLOADS FROM YOU < 1285380659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall put down the torrent client to avoid violence against algorithms < 1285380786 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhh < 1285380796 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fffffffffuuuuuuuuiuiuuuuuu < 1285380878 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lolwhat? This makes no sense < 1285380918 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Put the wrong disk in < 1285380980 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes absolutely no sense as that disk should jot have needed a jumper change < 1285380997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism < 1285381026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: maybe his client doesn't do encryption? < 1285381028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he's set it not to < 1285381031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his/her < 1285381089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It does encryption. < 1285381102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His client is clearly set to be a bitch. < 1285381109 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, I looked at the data. The drive does appear to be failing. Ill go start recovery procedures, there's stuff on here that I want to hold onto < 1285381120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Indeed. < 1285381204 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucknigget < 1285381207 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nugget < 1285381238 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where'd I put the power and USB cable for the external drive? < 1285381536 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone grep logs to see how much space I claimed to have bef.. wait, n/m < 1285381669 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285381843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: give your CPU 1024 general-purpose 64-bit registers < 1285381846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because why not < 1285381919 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285381953 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries < 1285381964 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not literally) < 1285381998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:NevilleDNZ < 1285382200 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ÜberRISC, eh? < 1285382221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, he's doing some hideous hybrid of RISC and CISC < 1285382226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but registers are super-cool < 1285382227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1285382235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 1,024 you never, ever need to pass arguments on the stack :) < 1285382256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say you support functions with 64 arguments, which is ridiculous, that's still 960 general-purpose registers < 1285382266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Registers are awesomeness. Especially when you could feasibly cease to have a L1 cache because of them. < 1285382267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if your language is based on Scheme's apply then you might have issues :P < 1285382278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate how misunderstood risc is < 1285382282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the pdp-8 has 8 basic instructions < 1285382284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a CISC < 1285382297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and modern RISCs have a shitload of instructions, and people don't get this < 1285382334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-8#Instruction_set < 1285382337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty beautiful architecture < 1285382344 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Load-store architecture, with equal-sized instructions, a lot of registers. Isn't that RISC in a nutshell? < 1285382346 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey alise < 1285382363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's pretty close, yeah... < 1285382364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: hi < 1285382386 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1285382391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wonder if RISC and VLIW are partially reconcilable. :P < 1285382394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Only because VLIW is fucking cool.) < 1285382402 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285382407 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agrajag < 1285382408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: soup < 1285382411 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1285382412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: One could have very large instructions of constant size. < 1285382413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1285382413 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My step-mother's here < 1285382419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agrajag: not a curse. < 1285382425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lawl < 1285382432 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is cursed < 1285382452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you could have a *lot* of load-store happening there. < 1285382462 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not literally < 1285382466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it must feel like it < 1285382474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Transmeta's x86 Crusoe processor "compiles" instructions down to VLIW, iirc < 1285382478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course you'd want, say, 4096 registers to maximize the ridiculous parallelism. :) < 1285382497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transmeta addresses this issue by including a binary-to-binary software compiler layer (termed Code Morphing) in their Crusoe implementation of the x86 architecture. Basically, this mechanism is advertised to recompile, optimize, and translate x86 opcodes at runtime into the CPU's internal machine code. Thus, the Transmeta chip is internally a VLIW processor, effectively decoupled from the x86 CISC instruction set that it executes. < 1285382503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Awesome. < 1285382515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wonder if any RISC CPUs optimise out load/stores somehow. < 1285382526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "load x -> modify x -> store x" to a direct modification internally. < 1285382557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Nice theory, but the CPU already has to do load, modify, store. < 1285382566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1285382567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ... < 1285382582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how graphics cards use 2D acceleration to directly mess with the frame buffer? < 1285382587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without involving the CPU? < 1285382592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ACCELERATED MEMORY < 1285382609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You tell the memory, "oh, copy this range to here", or "increment this location", and it does it. >:) < 1285382648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's called parallelism. < 1285382682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaand probably wouldn't work as well as you think. < 1285382705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CPU is not actually operating directly on memory. All of its operations are happening on its cache. < 1285382996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1285382997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP < 1285382999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1285383017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fine, expose the cache as registers. < 1285383048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, 4096 registers it is. < 1285383050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1285383058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for L1 cache. < 1285383066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I was about to say :P < 1285383079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For L2, let's say... 2097152? < 1285383082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You mean 393,216. < 1285383090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 mebibytes, because why not. < 1285383094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1285383096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's what the top Core 2s had. < 1285383104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Man, imagine giving them names. < 1285383111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the world's biggest Excel spreadsheet. < 1285383113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EAOBXIABIUXBIUA < 1285383124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it went up to 12. < 1285383142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1285383144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just stupid though. < 1285383154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 3 mebibytes = MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMCCXVI registers < 1285383160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could just name them with roman numerals! < 1285383163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1285383168 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285383182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the Romans just needed meta-numerals. < 1285383189 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285383194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that that's off. < 1285383199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could write that as: < 1285383205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M(CCCXCIII)CCXVI < 1285383212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, CCCXCIII Ms, then CCXVI. < 1285383222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It is? :( < 1285383228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they have the thousands notation and stuff, but that's boring. < 1285383238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: They had a one million notation. < 1285383245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUT UP META-NUMERALS ARE BETTER < 1285383252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually knowing the Romans they wouldn't even mark the (...). < 1285383256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they'd have just (, or just ). < 1285383263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MCCCXCIII)CCXVI < 1285383273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're expected to figure out from context that M is the numeral being repeated! < 1285383279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I may hate Roman numerals a bit.) < 1285383371 0 :augur_!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285383372 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285383411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I, II, VI, VIII, XVI, XXXII, LXIV, CXXVIII, CCLVI, DXII, MXXIV, MMXLVIII, MMMMXCVI; any good student of the calculation-knowledges should memorise these figures. < 1285383453 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd *actually* be (CCCXC)MMMCCXVI. < 1285383475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wait, they actualy had such a system? < 1285383480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actually < 1285383481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i see < 1285383488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean, repeat the M? < 1285383500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parens are *10^4. < 1285383510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, I was inventing my own notation. < 1285383520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using the actual notation. < 1285383526 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parens are *10^4. < 1285383533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x[y] = x, repeated y times, let's say. < 1285383561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VI[III] = stupidest way of writing 8 ever. < 1285383576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCC*10^4 + XC*10^4 + MMM + CC + X + VI. < 1285383603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is better because it's textual! < 1285383609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pretty damn close to SEXTUAL < 1285383634 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns of Talkers < 1285383669 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hastily turns on colored nicks < 1285383731 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://talker.com/ aww < 1285384703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I propose that we design a processor that doesn't suck. In fact, it will be powered entirely by unicorns. Oh, wait, we're done. < 1285384708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank god for unicorn magic. < 1285384775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NISC wat < 1285384778 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steals alise's kidney < 1285384796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOO < 1285384798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need that. < 1285384912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1_(The_Beatles_album)&curid=163213&diff=386862914&oldid=386815336 < 1285384926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously a hopeless newbie injecting POV because they don't have a MAGIC WIKIPEDIA CABAL USERNAME! < 1285384932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Revert without reading edit summary! < 1285385495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I can say is that I am surprised someone could possibly think a Beatles release would *not* sell obnoxiously well. < 1285385614 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was more POVy? < 1285385663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Exceptional" is very POVy. "Exceeded critical expectations" could be demonstrated by noting how various critics were surprised. < 1285386584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exceptional isn't POVy < 1285386593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the context < 1285386597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the /reception/ was exceptional < 1285386612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it received reception out of the norm; it was received with an excellent reception < 1285386636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was at least partly predicted to sell very well, the reception did not "surpass all critical and commercial expectations" < 1285386640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the reception /was/ exceptional. < 1285386644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmkay. < 1285386654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd re-revert, but i'm an IP too, so :wikinazi: < 1285386684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are word-aligned instructions helpful? < 1285386686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1285386744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* Fedora 14 introduces systemd, a smarter, more efficient way of starting up and managing background daemons and services. It is a mostly compatible replacement for sysvinit and upstart, supporting SysV and LSB init scripts. See the FAQ and Tips and Tricks. < 1285386749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many startup daemons do we have now? < 1285386825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have you figured out the cure for NIH yet...? < 1285386867 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3? < 1285386874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Um, no. < 1285386877 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only 3, including Fedora 14's, right? < 1285386881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsdinit, for one. < 1285386886 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sys-V < 1285386887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distro-specific ones. < 1285386891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Service managers. < 1285386894 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....distro specific thingies? < 1285386894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random little ones. < 1285386896 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries < 1285386901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoots self < 1285386905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Word-aligned instructions are helpful because *generally* a CPU's entire fetching structure is set up around fetching words. < 1285386910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Believe it or not, but distros used to be the driving force in Linux development. < 1285386913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, they still are. < 1285386914 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Exceptions include: x86 and, uh, x86. < 1285386931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, then my proposed instruction format is this: Every instruction is 24 bytes. < 1285386946 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1285386967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overkill-tastic. < 1285386974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nope. 64-bit. < 1285386975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's three words. < 1285386984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. So it would be. < 1285386986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: opcode, two addresses, and extra operands. < 1285386997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't really have less than two addresses, obviously. < 1285387005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially for literals. < 1285387014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two words wouldn't be enough, since you need to stick the opcode in there too. < 1285387016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So three words, 24 bytes. < 1285387030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, in the wonderful RISC tradition, most instructions get something free! < 1285387034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something for free! < 1285387047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOP? Why, that's two whole words you can easily store a constant in! < 1285387079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fedora: distributing on four CDs means you fail at life. < 1285387081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all. < 1285387111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's the "install media". < 1285387116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you actually want is the "live CD". < 1285387119 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To "install" with. < 1285387123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hurr". < 1285387202 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does SGU Season 2 start? < 1285387244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never. < 1285387248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was cancelled. < 1285387313 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cancellations don't shut me up < 1285387317 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't bother.. < 1285387329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Wikipedia says in three days, but that's outdated; it was cancelled a few days ago. < 1285387359 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds it < 1285387379 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1285387392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, it's cancelled. < 1285387404 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grepped the page for "season 2" and "season two{ < 1285387413 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of just looking at the first paragraph < 1285387428 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I won't believe you unless you provide a citation. I'm not gullible < 1285387433 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the citation actually states it) < 1285387439 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the citation is credible) < 1285387446 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(erm, the cited thing, come to think of it) < 1285387662 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox crashed < 1285387762 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes XChat was integrated with Ubuntu's chat menu thing < 1285387888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Stop me making my own Linux distribution, it's happening again. < 1285387890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need an NIH shot. < 1285387935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I've got a citation for it still *not* being cancelled. < 1285387935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The NIH vaccination works by making you want to reinvent every single thing for an hour; usually, you vow to refuse to exist as quarks, only resuming existing when you invent something better. This passes.) < 1285387955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YOU JUST SIGNED US UP FOR MONTHS' WORTH OF SGEO TALKING ABOUT SGU < 1285387961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good job < 1285387974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when do I stay focused on a single thing for months? < 1285387981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last season? < 1285387985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX < 1285387988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX. < 1285387995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no he watched all of SGU season 1 at once < 1285388000 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok, point granted < 1285388001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1285388007 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just PSOX, then. < 1285388048 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that I should turn off my old computer several hours ago to try to save the HD < 1285388055 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that HD wasn't damaged as sucb < 1285388058 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just old < 1285388095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Please tell me why creating a new distribution is a terrible idea < 1285388096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idea. < 1285388117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Because you'd have to rewrite everything to do it right. < 1285388125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not the kernel! < 1285388127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can keep the kernel. < 1285388136 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out it was already off < 1285388137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd probably *want* to rewrite the kernel. < 1285388144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! I am blissfully ignoring it. < 1285388155 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does this large button on my external HD do? < 1285388157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then you'd have to rewrite everything else. < 1285388187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fedora distributes 701.1 MiB Live DVDs. Discuss the inanity. < 1285388204 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what fits on a CD? < 1285388210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1285388230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1285388234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mode-1 CD can fit 650 MiB. < 1285388249 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, do I obsessively talk about The Guild or Legend of Neil? < 1285388268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of those are weekly (bi-weekly for LoN) things that I love and don't obsess about in here < 1285388279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you can get slightly bigger CDs. < 1285388285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And really, they can fucking fit everything on a CD. < 1285388288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu does it. < 1285388317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 650 and 700 MiB are the two common data sizes on 12cm discs. < 1285388318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fit everything in 50MiB! < 1285388346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right. < 1285388361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Both of these are 100% compliant; 700 MiB is just a bit closer to the tolerances of the medium, and might not work on a handful of obnoxiously old devices. < 1285388362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So basically, Fedora are mandating burning a DVD for the sake of 1.1 MiB. < 1285388388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get up to about 870 MiB while still being a CD, but your CD drive may kick you. < 1285388422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IT HURTS" < 1285388435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...btw, why do we still distribute music on CD? < 1285388444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and of course, you can make it *technically* not a CD by cutting down the leadout a bit to get more data. < 1285388454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like we should be standardising USB pen drive music by now. < 1285388466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIAA wouldn't stand for it. < 1285388477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say this: < 1285388494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They imagine that being a CD makes it somewhat time-consuming to copy. And that digital distribution should be DRM'd. < 1285388518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you *know* that the morons responsible for that would make it a lossy compression format, probably encoded by someone who should never breed. < 1285388541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the root directory, tracklst.m3u; subset of m3u only supporting absolute-to-root-of-drive pathnames, not URLs; perhaps no comments, either. Also, no extended m3u. < 1285388560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAVs in some container with a simple list of predefined tags for the actual audio. < 1285388567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be trivial to support in a stereo. < 1285388588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, if that were the format I would be totally happy. < 1285388592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a teeny tiny computer board to read the files, a teeny tiny tag parser, and the rest is done for you. < 1285388605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In fact, if we used extended m3u we could just use plain wavs. < 1285388612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since extended m3u stores what are basically tags in the comments. < 1285388620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This avoids parsing a container in stereos. < 1285388632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAV is already a container format. < 1285388636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but a tagless one. < 1285388659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFO chunk. < 1285388665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: We /could/ standardise a raw format, *but* it'd be nice to let the silly 48 kHZ, 24-bit releases stay. < 1285388673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tags are merely not commonly supported or used. < 1285388675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kHz < 1285388688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ideally, you'd be able to load the m3u on a computer and have it Just Work. < 1285388707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bonus to all this is that album length will never be a problem. < 1285388721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because a 4 GiB flash drive is dirt-cheap. < 1285388726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: One problem with this: CDs are really cheap to produce. < 1285388727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, of course, you can have videos and artwork and crap. < 1285388732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean really, really, really cheap. < 1285388745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: True. And music is really, really, really expensive. < 1285388750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physical music, that is. < 1285388760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been singles released on USB, just no standardisation. < 1285388762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your proposal would cut into the RIAA's profit margins. < 1285388780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which rely on 2¢ CDs. < 1285388791 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An old laptop that I found wouldn < 1285388796 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be able to play it < 1285388813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck the RIAA with a rusty tree trunk in the process of being chainsawed. < 1285388819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just, you know, don't stop with the chainsaw. < 1285388820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concur. < 1285388827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, leave the branches on the trunk. < 1285388856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is so cool that NeXT computers used magneto-optical drives. < 1285388874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Minions! I am Steve Jobs and I want to know the MOST AWESOME TYPE OF FLOPPY DISK POSSIBLE so we can use it to store all the data on." < 1285388887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's put a rewritable CD IN A FUCKING FLOPPY DISK." < 1285388888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FUCK YES" < 1285388908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HERE MR. JOBS IS OUR TWO GIGABYTE FLOPPY DISK" < 1285388951 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found an ancient laptop < 1285389015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1285389016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ignoring all overhead, a 4 GiB flash drive could store 6.6 hours of CD-quality audio data. < 1285389023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS AWESOME < 1285389033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Further if you mandate a lossless compression format. < 1285389045 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, there is a USB port < 1285389048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ye-es, but I'm not sure stereo manufacturers would like that. < 1285389066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are already including MP3 decoders. < 1285389106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you go for FLAC, then it'll be easier than decoding MP3. < 1285389126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Toshiba Sattelite 2595CDT < 1285389138 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH CRUD < 1285389184 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION put his Ubuntu DVD into the CD drive < 1285389306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Truth. < 1285389316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although FLAC has a special fixed-point decoder, right? < 1285389330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wonder why that isn't the main decoder? Maybe I'm imagining this.) < 1285389462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow Fedora's LiveCD boots slowly. < 1285389467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is this one of the most famous distributions? < 1285389478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It only supports fixed-point samples. < 1285389484 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad said I can keep it! < 1285389505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is 100% fixed-point, encoding and decoding. < 1285389511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Alright then. < 1285389511 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a ridiculously heavy netbook! < 1285389523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As a side note, a wonderful FLAC bug: < 1285389529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorbis is the one with a special fixed-point decoder. < 1285389538 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a thingy for wifi < 1285389544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the default parameters for, tunekey or something, is blah(0,5) or something of the like. < 1285389560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Of course, in a lot of European locales, what does this read as? < 1285389563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah(0.5). < 1285389580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a version of FLAC was released which, on *certain locales*, produced larger-than-necessary output. < 1285389586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of a decimal point. < 1285389591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ridiculous. < 1285389592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is *hilarious*. < 1285389597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was talked about on Hydrogen Audio. < 1285389608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: LOCALES AAAAAAAARGH < 1285389609 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parted Magic is taking a while to load < 1285389626 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using Parted Magic because it's the only modern distro I have a CD, not DVD, of) < 1285389652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How's Wayland's X11 compatibility; do you know? < 1285389654 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have multiple-year-old Ubuntus lying around somewhere, and I saw what is probably an ancient Knoppix on the dining room table < 1285389683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MicroXwin is binary compatible to the Xlib API. However it is neither client server nor network oriented. Graphics operations are implemented in the linux kernel via a kernel module. An open source Xlib library sends graphics commands to the kernel. There is no network overhead and no context switch from X client to X server. This makes our solution smaller and faster than traditional X Windows. < 1285389685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.microxwin.com/ < 1285389691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only the kernel module wasn't proprietary. < 1285389694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fucking sweet. < 1285389723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1285389723 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X11 evilness FIXED? < 1285389733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An improvement of 62% for asynchronous display or 384% for synchronous display of images of a 100x100 size. < 1285389734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are only about 300 Kbytes of kernel memory in use by the kernel module. X.Org server, however, has a run-time memory usage of 12MB. < 1285389735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The smallest MicroXwin distribution can fit within 1 megabyte of disk space in contrast to the X.Org Server, which has a disk footprint of 1.8MB. < 1285389735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still fucking sweet, though. < 1285389746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't Wayland, that's a separate thing. < 1285389755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No network transparency? Who even uses that nowadays? < 1285389761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The library needs to be updated each time Xlib is changed in order to maintain compatibility." ;; durr < 1285389776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The additional kernel module x11.ko may crash the system if it is not well-designed or stable." ;; and you trust *graphics card developers*? < 1285389778 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't have this comp be on the charge at the same time as fiddling with the ancient laptop < 1285389782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This, ancient laptop wins < 1285389789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Performance is independent of scheduling latency caused by the scheduler, because the X server is no longer a process in the system." ;; this. is. win. < 1285389796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more X lag! < 1285389823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MicroXwin can be easily ported to other OS besides Linux. Contact us with more information." < 1285389829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, surely the kernel module must be pretty simple? < 1285389832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore CLEAN ROOM < 1285389836 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is dead. Long live SgeoN1 < 1285389887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LibX11.so is 720K bytes. < 1285389888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LibXext.so is 7K bytes. < 1285389888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel module x11.ko is 300K bytes. < 1285389890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW IS IT SO SMALL < 1285389908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's implementing an X compatible API, not actual X. < 1285389925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes ... because I have seen applications directly connect to X11 with a socket ... < 1285389934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can xcb be made to work with xlib as a backend? < 1285389943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1285389945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow? :P < 1285389951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then this wouldn't work for xcb-using applications? < 1285389962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You could maybe port it, though. < 1285389972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: answer my question >.> < 1285389979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like with yes or no :| < 1285389984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No. < 1285389999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh. That's such a shame, because XCB is widely-used. < 1285390011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: Sarcasm stack overflow < 1285390031 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285390038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a *lot* of stuff in X11 that you can completely omit when you don't need to care about things like the network protocol. < 1285390039 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can K opposite be made to work in low-memory setttings, or is Puppy Linux better off? < 1285390057 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knoppix < 1285390074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though X on localhost generally doesn't; all that communication is done via mmap. < 1285390078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puppy Linux is better-off. < 1285390082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pre-Lucid Puppy version. < 1285390084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. < 1285390096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nobody forwards X11 any more. < 1285390100 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so bad about Puppy Lucid? < 1285390100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the only reason it is like that. < 1285390104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Not as snappy. < 1285390122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, there's NX. That sees some use. < 1285390128 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But eventually, the non Ubuntu based stuff will be epically obsolete < 1285390177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: NX is also a separate thing, isn't it? < 1285390194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus would work fine with microXwin. < 1285390200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Indeed. < 1285390207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: It isn't now, though. And YOUR LAPTOP is epically obsolete. < 1285390213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it takes the X line protocol and transforms it to a much more network-efficient format. < 1285390232 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parted Magic is taking forever :( < 1285390236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which gets displayed directly on the other end. < 1285390313 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When were the last laptops to proudly display "Made for Windows 98"? < 1285390331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then it doesn't matter what X11 library you use. < 1285390332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably 99. < 1285390338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, sure, so you need an xlib that does it the boring way. < 1285390341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can always install those too. < 1285390359 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285390363 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it also lists NT < 1285390364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, you just need to make sure that it's got a mundane xlib going. < 1285390370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With dynamic linking, you could just have an NX wrapper program that starts NX if it isn't running, and then uses the normal xlib. < 1285390381 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, this is taking forever :( < 1285390403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, you'd have the NX daemon set to start a new session with a linker path to use the normal xlib. < 1285390428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still; doable. < 1285390436 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the installed Win98 still works < 1285390444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 98 never works! < 1285390455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid rotten IE-integrated piece of monopolistic crap! VIVA 95! < 1285390466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STUPID FUCKING NON-BRIAN-ENO STARTUP SOUND < 1285390476 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no touchpad. Just nipple mouse < 1285390491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STUPID FUCKING has quick launch and 95 doesn't sniff sniff < 1285390514 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program to allow TeX to use UTF-8 < 1285390531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't think anyone's done that before. < 1285390531 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/IVWeu.jpg < 1285390550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you package it up for LaTeX you could get yourself some fame. < 1285390553 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/GhCQ http://sprunge.us/LHiW < 1285390591 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It is designed for use with Plain TeX. It is not designed for use with LaTeX. (Someone else can package it for LaTeX if they want to, though.) < 1285390604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You do it. < 1285390625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285390635 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can connect to the Internet from here < 1285390640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/Windows_98_-_Critical_Update_Notification.png < 1285390644 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98, the beginning of UPGRADE FASCISM < 1285390644 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a noninternet machine < 1285390652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Plug in a USB wifi stick. < 1285390663 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, those exist? Awesome! < 1285390672 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should buy one < 1285390699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm, yeah. < 1285390700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A memory overflow issue was resolved which in the older version of Windows 98 would crash most systems if left running for 49.7 days (equal to 2³² milliseconds)[14]." < 1285390707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Won't work with 98, though. < 1285390707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: There's been several ways of getting UTF-8 on TeX. < 1285390708 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is only one USB port on this thing, so if I do that, I can't use a Linux that stores personal files on USB < 1285390713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh. < 1285390718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Fun fact: TeX is actually character set *agnostic*. < 1285390722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Incorrect. < 1285390732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: They have space on them for drivers, for one, although perhaps not much. < 1285390736 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1285390743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The ASCII handling is done in the font. < 1285390749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These drivers are Windows XP drivers and you don't need them, obviously. I think they're read-only, though... maybe not! < 1285390751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Or: USB hub. < 1285390762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get little ones that might not require extra power if you're only using a drive and a wifi stick. < 1285390768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Indeed. < 1285390774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But UTF-8 has multibyte characters, which is a Bitch. < 1285390783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the commands are ASCII, so it's not really agnostic. < 1285390784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but the pain has already been done. < 1285390784 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: You can use a Linux loaded everything into RAM and then you can switch the USB and still use it < 1285390823 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It is possible in TeX to change all the category codes to make it act like EBCDIC if you wanted to! (Of course it has to start in ASCII mode, though) < 1285390824 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zzo, good point < 1285390833 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pooh, confidential information < 1285390840 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 2000 or so < 1285390859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : SgeoN1: You can use a Linux loaded everything into RAM and then you can switch the USB and still use it < 1285390861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll disconnect you < 1285390879 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1285390888 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it only saves at shutdown < 1285390897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fedora 14 alpha won't boot on either of my VMs ^_^ < 1285390908 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puppy Linux sounds even more perfect for this < 1285390937 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could even be possible to change the category codes in TeX to make it accept commands in baudot encoding! < 1285390978 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, then you still have to put each character in one byte though, so there are three unused bits in every byte) < 1285391004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: you know, it has a hard drive. < 1285391052 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, just store all files on the hard drive and don't use the USB to store the files (except when you need to transfer it) < 1285391122 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the codes to make TeX supporting UTF-8 encoding? The codes are available at: http://sprunge.us/GhCQ < 1285391146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when does code have a plural? < 1285391155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's a mass noun. Unless you can define what "one code" is... < 1285391214 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it is, you don't make a perfect exact definition of what "one code" is, except in some documents if you have a specific meaning in mind, you write it down. < 1285391240 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get Bill Nye: Stop the Rock! to run on this! < 1285391243 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285391252 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1285391285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's like saying "I say this glass has 'waters' in it because I could define a water to be .1 mililiters in a document." < 1285391292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a bit ridiculous, as clearly water is a mass noun like code is. < 1285391300 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this code is good? < 1285391327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1285391348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Keep in mind that zzo38 prides himself on having apparently non-native English while being a native speaker. :P < 1285391372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a native English speaker, but my mother tongue is German." < 1285391388 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1285391391 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, this music is awesome < 1285391392 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not complete, such as, I have not defined the commands to make it switch from one specific font to the other specific font, and stuff like that. < 1285391403 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any chance that this laptop uses SATA? < 1285391408 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also does not do right to left typing, yet. < 1285391409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Check. < 1285391414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Still. < 1285391422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: It's older than SATA by far. < 1285391423 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, how? < 1285391426 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1285391431 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Still? < 1285391444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Still, it's good code. < 1285391452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Model? < 1285391468 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Computer Essentials, a hands-on introduction to your computee < 1285391480 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2529CDT < 1285391488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computee: one who is computed. < 1285391497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you typoed. < 1285391500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gets very few results on Google. < 1285391582 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tutorials for clueless users should not have script errors that they need to respond to < 1285391606 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK. Is it useful to you? You can improve it if you want to. When writing programs in TeX, I figure out more things about TeX, and how to make certain kind of things in TeX, such as the ^\noexpand^ sequence. < 1285391625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use TeX without LaTeX, so it's probably not terribly useful to me, unless it's compatible. < 1285391649 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The command ^\noexpand^ is useful when writing to auxiliary files. < 1285391660 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/GCylT.jpg < 1285391664 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1285391672 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2595CDT < 1285391706 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You can try to see if it is compatible, and/or make it compatible, if you want to. < 1285391884 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alise? < 1285391887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: #esoteric needs to found a corporation that makes money in some unspecified way so that we can get an unreasonable amount of tech and put it in a place to mess around with. < 1285391890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: What now? < 1285391906 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did miswrite the model < 1285391914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am aware. < 1285391964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Win. < 1285391978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, now you get to figure out how we make the money. HAVE FUN < 1285391995 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....adding machine? < 1285392032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: *what*?! < 1285392059 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This tutorial thingy introduced the numeric keypad by comparing it with an adding machine < 1285392149 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://spamusers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13387 // look at the picture I posted of my cubicle, then the long post after that. < 1285392152 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so much epic. < 1285392164 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's about to talk about the mouse. I'm on a laptop with a nipple mouse. What's the proper term? < 1285392170 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clit mouse < 1285392182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro++ < 1285392271 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :copprp < 1285392281 0 :copprp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1285392301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have something even MORE than coprophilia now, baby. ;)" < 1285392309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ How my brain decoded that < 1285392315 0 :copprp!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1285392316 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wow. < 1285392319 0 :copprp!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :coppro < 1285392321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YOU DIDN'T USE THE Æ LIGATURE WHEN SPELLING DIÆRESIS < 1285392328 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I considered it :P < 1285392335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "...but you know what? Fuck that shit! Let's." < 1285392366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hahaha wow @ that long post < 1285392368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Noöne appreciates diæreſis marks." would be epic win. < 1285392383 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1285392391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: jvcc is someone who is better at being me than me. < 1285392397 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least with the conjoined ae < 1285392401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly the kind of stuff I wish I was good at doing :P < 1285392419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Long, random, depressing, utterly tangential buildings on a hopelessly minor point.) < 1285392495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your dropdown menus overlap the menu title slightly. < 1285392504 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooooh, found some MIDIs < 1285392507 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ? < 1285392548 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There appears to be no MIDI thingy... < 1285392557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your music page. < 1285392559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am omnipotent. < 1285392583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh; yes, they do, so? < 1285392597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FLAW < 1285392605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Your mom is a flaw. < 1285392625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have a Lonely Dino submission whose only flaw is featuring the other two pictured characters. < 1285392629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they both talk. < 1285392659 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl :P < 1285392671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT'S SO FUNNY < 1285392678 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX normally ignores the characters 128 to 255, so that means the UTF-8 BOM will be ignored, and the file will work properly. < 1285392684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/imgs/dinosaurComic.php?panels=2,3&comics=1099,1758&strip < 1285392701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the BOM is crappy and nobody uses it < 1285392705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from windows < 1285392720 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It works without the BOM, too. < 1285392725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also meaningless in utf-8 :P < 1285392800 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just that Windows adds it in, so that means it is not necessary to remove it before sending the file to TeX. The problem is if a UTF-8 file includes another UTF-8 file, because my code utfeight.tex doesn't check for the BOM. < 1285392930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of moron decides to stick it in UTF-8? < 1285392950 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 BOM is so much lunacy. < 1285392954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft kind of lunacy. < 1285392967 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, done playing for now. Will explore more tomorrow. < 1285392983 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BOM isn't even allowed in UTF-8 IIRC < 1285392997 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear maximized windows, please don't cover the taskbar < 1285393063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's allowed but strongly discouraged. < 1285393225 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, what a beautiful way, to break my heart < 1285393346 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing about TeX: When reading the input, if two identical characters with category code seven are read, it will either treat the next two characters as a lowercase hex number, or as a character that 64 will be subtracted from. < 1285393382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaat? < 1285393386 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: xmonad obv < 1285393390 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word 97 is really fast < 1285393427 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if ^ is category code seven, and it reads ^^7b then it will be exactly the same as typing { in the file. So, this is valid: \def\abc^^7bxyz} < 1285393495 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example: \write0{^\noexpand^7d} < 1285393516 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alise, some song that came with the computer < 1285393518 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow < 1285393531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : One thing about TeX: When reading the input, if two identical characters with category code seven are read, it will either treat the next two characters as a lowercase hex number, or as a character that 64 will be subtracted from. < 1285393531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Whaat? < 1285393541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other messages to respond to. < 1285393556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I suspected your line was some random song quote since you're prone to them. I had already googled it. < 1285393571 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Are you confused? < 1285393587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By your line, yes. < 1285393592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But less so now. < 1285393596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it basically trigraphs? < 1285393625 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, it is like trigraphs. < 1285393755 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The utfeight.tex uses ^\noexpand^ a lot < 1285393808 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is, it creates trigraphs which are then read in later by TeX) < 1285393849 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are better than the C trigraphs. < 1285393856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1285393858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1285393859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285394021 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// Check if trigraphs are enabled ??/ < 1285394029 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define TRIGRAPHS_ARE_ENABLED < 1285394049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's actually a pretty clever piece of work. < 1285394173 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a single < 1285394178 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What are you refering to? The last one? The one before that? The one before before that? < 1285394189 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.swf file that I tried on the ancient laptop crashed < 1285394199 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash didn't crash even once < 1285394206 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare that to Ubunti < 1285394210 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu < 1285394275 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: with Windows? < 1285394296 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. Win98, less than 200mb ram < 1285394356 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1285394365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The C preprocessor check there. < 1285394382 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK < 1285394437 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285394467 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285394471 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if I don't run something, how can it crash < 1285394485 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: your problem there is that Adobe hates Linux < 1285394501 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Adobe hated Windows instead, then it would crash a ton on Windows < 1285394612 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285394651 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike C trigraphs, the TeX trigraphs are actually much more useful. < 1285394691 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285394859 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285395081 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285395154 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285395336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, they hire a *single guy* to do the Flash port. < 1285397531 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to win a big spider by playing solitaire cards? The guy at FreeGeek thinks it is a good idea. < 1285397744 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. Perhaps then people will stop bothering me when I am working in my room (they won't fit, so therefore, they can't bother me) < 1285398568 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285400525 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-196-3.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1285400731 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285400992 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see the most amazing sight beforehand my eyes, and my cameraphone can't capture it < 1285401112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, the Fermat of photography < 1285401376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (1) is there something physically there (2) if so, is it moving too fast < 1285401424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess even (1) is ambiguous < 1285401462 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh (3) have you mislaid your cameraphone? ;D < 1285401516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (4) have you ingested something you shouldn't < 1285401567 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285401584 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285401599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1285401600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1285401704 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, none of my responses got through < 1285401713 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was too dark < 1285401718 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the flash makes it not look as spectacular < 1285401722 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many drops of water on the pool cover reflecting the moonlight < 1285401737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285401772 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As though it were a nightsky with many, many more stars < 1285401793 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285401797 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alien sky < 1285402331 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285402332 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285402339 0 :Gracenotes_!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285402344 0 :Gracenotes_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gracenotes < 1285402407 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1285402514 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried making scales with G12TET, meaning it is still twelve tone equal temperament, with the same black keys and white keys, the same piano keys, but that the base is not necessarily 2. I have tried 5/2 and 7/3. < 1285402580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38's NIH extends to music? < 1285402587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, just being silly < 1285402608 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What does NIH means? < 1285402621 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not In House < 1285402634 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to sleep < 1285402646 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which of these scales do you prefer? < 1285402713 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer sleeping when I need to sleep < 1285402718 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night -> < 1285402836 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1285402855 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please sleep for exactly 29 and a half hours tonight. < 1285402940 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually Not Invented Here < 1285403101 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try the G12TET major scale with base 5/2, base 7/3, and base of natural logarithms. Try other bases, too. You do not have to build a new piano keyboard to play G12TET. < 1285403536 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285403627 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried base 5/2, base 7/3, base 11/5, base 13/7 .......... < 1285403712 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1285403871 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-20.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285404028 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285404481 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-44-176.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1285404787 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285405028 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALPACA is a CA specifier, not anything more general, yes? < 1285405082 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I think it should be compilable to Golly's RuleTable format. < 1285405487 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe so < 1285405490 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1285405494 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that it's a CA specifier < 1285405623 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, so it should be equivalent with RuleTable, excluding any complex semantics I haven't noticed. < 1285405909 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, and the RuleTree format can already be compiled into from other languages. < 1285405965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including Python. < 1285406218 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try hand-compiling RedGreen to RuleTable... < 1285406308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: give your CPU 1024 general-purpose 64-bit registers because why not <-- well... register file size < 1285406470 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaargh, ALPACA supports nondeterminism. < 1285406477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, cpressey, why? < 1285406584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just have guess = true. < 1285406707 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285406876 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285406930 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RedGreen is the Mathematica of cellular automata... < 1285407545 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifying it in RuleTable with no symmetries set is too painful. I'll try Python later on. < 1285407783 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, please don't use Mathematica :( < 1285409118 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's only that in the sense that it includes at least 2 other CAs inside it. < 1285409314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how does that make it like mathematica? < 1285409392 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence, why not? According to one S. Wolfram it is the best software in the world, including any future ones (except future versions of mathematica)! ;) < 1285409400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It includes everything! < 1285409430 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence, but Mathematica is the only practical functional programming language! < 1285409438 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't make the artery in my forehead pop < 1285409452 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence, I was obviously joking :P < 1285409467 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know but Phantom_Hoover is probably like OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH COOOOOOOOL < 1285409478 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1285409497 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then Phantom_Hoover will buy 10 copies then distribute them < 1285409501 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then mma will take over < 1285409504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it < 1285409520 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence, whyever not? It's the only usable way of doing concurrent programming < 1285409527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har < 1285409547 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: don't make the artery in my forehead pop!! < 1285409623 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence, but it has the world's largest web of mathematical capabilities and algorithms! < 1285409649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And immediate integrated access to carefully curated data in diverse areas! < 1285409669 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEB OF [stuff] < 1285409671 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURATED DATA < 1285409676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun, quoting directly from the manual < 1285409679 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are WOLFRAM'S SLOGANS < 1285409695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, don't forget the section on functional programming, it is the most absurd one < 1285409696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and don't forget the unique customisability and connectivity powered by symbolic programming! < 1285409703 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I spam my mathematica rant in here yet < 1285409711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence, he is obviously joking :P < 1285409717 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I spam my mathematica rant in here yet < 1285409727 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence, what about the industrial-strength string manipulation! < 1285409731 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence, perhaps, please use a pastebin < 1285409748 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: dear god < 1285409769 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With such groundbreaking functions as StringJoin, StringLength and StringSplit! < 1285409788 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://symbo1ics.com/blog/?p=69 <--- mathematica < 1285409819 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence, it should be obvious to you that he is being sarcastic. < 1285409835 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY BLOOD STILL BOILS because a lot of ppl think those things are true < 1285409877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285409895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, all of the free CASes aren't very good. < 1285409909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, maxima works quite well for a lot of stuff < 1285409919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a less annoying syntax < 1285409936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with wxmaxima it is nice to use < 1285409938 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's basically the best. < 1285409951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, octave is more like mathlab iirc? < 1285409955 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1285409969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is iirc more numerical or something like that < 1285409970 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not actually a CAS; it doesn't do symbolic manipulation AFAIK. < 1285409990 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Long viewed as an important theoretical idea, functional programming finally became truly convenient and practical with the introduction of Mathematica's symbolic language. Treating expressions like f[x] as both symbolic data and the application of a function f provides a uniquely powerful way to integrate structure and function\[LongDash]and an efficient, elegant representation of many common computations. < 1285409991 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : " < 1285409999 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was making this up. < 1285410043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With such THRILLING DEVELOPMENTS as Map, Apply, MapIndexed, Nest and Fold. < 1285410055 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfram is batshit insane < 1285410059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1285410069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask ais523 about him sometime. < 1285410095 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The symbolic language paradigm of Mathematica takes the concept of variables and functions to a new level." < 1285410106 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1285410125 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Although having a terrible interface, Axiom is probably the most powerful CAS < 1285410132 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even more than mma or maxima < 1285410137 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Mathematica a variable can not only stand for a value, but can also be used purely symbolically. < 1285410145 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, forgot the quotes. < 1285410155 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curated data < 1285410178 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a little old man making sure noöne goes behind the barriers. < 1285410212 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god, how can Mathematica have such a huge ego in its documentation? < 1285410228 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfram wrote it < 1285410250 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Every section* has some ridiculously grandiose claim as to how it adds things much better than anyone else's product. < 1285410259 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha I know < 1285410293 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's the price, which is obviously all going towards the massive cost of keeping such a huge ego up. < 1285410314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mathematica provides broad and deep built-in support for both programmatic and interactive modern industrial-strength image processing\[LongDash]fully integrated with Mathematica's powerful mathematical and algorithmic capabilities. Mathematica's unique symbolic architecture and notebook paradigm allows images in visual form to be included and manipulated directly both interactively and in programs." < 1285410333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translation: you can dump images in the middle of programs and make it look like some kind of weird joke. < 1285410346 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahaha < 1285410378 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way the *copy and paste* is egotistical. < 1285410400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica's markup is far superior to lesser Unicode! < 1285410411 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mathematica has a highly flexible system for handling dates and times in almost any format, automatically converting between formats, and when necessary parsing strings representing dates. " FFS < 1285410425 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Developed at Wolfram Research over nearly twenty years, Mathematica has by far the world's most sophisticated and convenient mathematical typesetting technology. Generalizing the concept of a computer language to allow 2D input, Mathematica allows both interactive and programmatic entry of arbitrarily complex typeset expressions, with publication-quality layout continuously maintained in real time." < 1285410440 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEVELOPED IN A CAVE FAR IN THE HIMALAYAS FOR MILLENIA < 1285410449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By monks.) < 1285410483 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1285410515 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mathematica routinely handles huge arrays of numeric, symbolic, textual or any other data, with any dimension or structure. Arrays are fully integrated into Mathematica's powerful core symbolic language, making possible extremely high-level array operations that are both elegant and efficient. " < 1285410541 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Using a host of original algorithms developed at Wolfram Research, Mathematica provides powerful functions that automate the process of creating cognitively and aesthetically compelling representations of structured and unstructured data\[LongDash]not only for points, lines and surfaces, but also for graphs and networks." < 1285410561 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1285410570 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently, they have someone employed for the sole purpose of writing their documentation in the most over-the-top way possible. < 1285410592 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[aka wolfram since he doesn't do anything else] < 1285410597 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A New Kind of Documentation < 1285410653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → stuff < 1285410679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1285411370 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mathematica has the most extensive collection of mathematical functions ever assembled. Often relying on original results and algorithms developed at Wolfram Research over the past two decades, each function supports a full range of symbolic operations, as well as efficient numerical evaluation to arbitrary precision, for all complex values of parameters. " < 1285411459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica provides a uniquely integrated and automated environment for parallel computing. With zero configuration, full interactivity and seamless local and network operation, the symbolic character of the Mathematica language allows immediate support of a variety of existing and new parallel programming paradigms and data-sharing models. < 1285411460 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-30-86.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1285411476 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep on doing this forever, so I shall go now. < 1285411493 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, someone said something to me past the scrollback < 1285411562 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was just Vorpal amusing himself with the word "CD-skva" < 1285411703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, indeed < 1285412577 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1285413247 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285413555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD-squeek. < 1285413582 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285414474 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, eh? < 1285414509 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, nothing; just some free-flow associating from "CD-skva". < 1285414511 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh btw, why does RAM has to be such a pain when it comes to getting the right type? I mean, for harddrives it is basically SATA or PATA. If you have the right type it will work, maybe not at optimal speed, but it will work. < 1285414536 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for RAM you seem to need to match speed, the number after DDR and so on < 1285414679 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number after DDR, sure, but I don't know about matching speed; I haven't had any problems using sticks at less-than-rated speeds. < 1285414687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285414694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also the connector type < 1285414704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptop sized vs. desktop sized < 1285414727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, that should be pretty obvious. < 1285414727 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a laptop harddrive will work in a desktop, just you have to find some way to mount it < 1285414732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the connectors are the same < 1285414775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They use a different connector in 2.5" IDE drives than desktop-sized ones; one that has power in it. < 1285414793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm okay, for sata it looks the same though? < 1285414804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SATA fortunately uses the same. < 1285414812 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's smaller anyway. < 1285414818 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1285414859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have a mini-SATA too, but I've never seen one live anywhere. < 1285414879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285414898 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, CPUs are even worse, due to the proliferation of different sockets. < 1285414971 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.8" SSD drives widely use something called micro-SATA, it seems. < 1285415013 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, for HDs it's usually easy to find adapters, as long as you're installing the disk into a bigger slot than it needs. < 1285415017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.8"? < 1285415026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and indeed < 1285415033 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next size down from 2.5". < 1285415045 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what the fuck do you find that in= < 1285415047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1285415087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small netbooks, maybe? I don't know, but they sell those anyway. < 1285415127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There have been 1.8" IDE drives for quite a while, too.) < 1285415187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285415279 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1285415419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a (DDR) SO-DIMM to DIMM adapter, but it seems to be designed for testing SO-DIMMs with a memory chip tester, not for actual use in a computer: http://www.memorytesters.com/ramcheck/rc200conv.htm < 1285415446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they should make 1 TB drives the size of compact flash cards. < 1285415464 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... now to chose the name of the laptop < 1285415499 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have phoenix and dragon currently. Need something along the same theme. And not kraken (since that means something else in Swedish) < 1285415506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any suggestions? < 1285415551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pegasus maybe? < 1285415576 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The CF spec only goes up to 128 GB (28-bit LBA addressing), so... < 1285415591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1285415598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pegasus sounds appropriate for a laptop. < 1285415648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm, that would fit with dragon also being a laptop, but then phoenix is an old dell tower (one of those with strange PSU connector) < 1285415779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack's monster db is a good source for names; mooz used to pick names from there. (He had at least zruty, tengu and couatl.) < 1285415812 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that lacks phoenix though < 1285415838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm woodchuck. But well I went for pegasus already < 1285416005 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep -B 5 M1_FLY monst.c | grep 'MON(' | cut -c 10- | sed -e 's/".*//' => http://p.zem.fi/3n9j -- everything that flies. < 1285416039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my theme was not "flies" but "impressive/awesome mythological creates" < 1285416053 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like woodchuck?-) < 1285416058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that everything so far flies is just pure coincidence < 1285416061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that was a joke :P < 1285416171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm does lucid use grub2 or grub1? < 1285416227 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2, I think. < 1285416247 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not completely sure though. < 1285416270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried gobolinux, couldn't get it working on usb stick, and no cd-r around) < 1285416361 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maverick's due out in 15 days. < 1285416368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, going for LTS :P < 1285416407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably going to be buggy at lauch anyway. < 1285416462 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since they want it out on 10/10/10 no matter what shape it's in. :p < 1285417338 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285418564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, um why? < 1285418953 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285419181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285420150 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-206-86.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1285420586 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because it's "the perfect ten". < 1285420589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or so I heard.) < 1285420865 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285421002 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285421021 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285421058 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285421505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how stupid < 1285421612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they have that "time-based releases" thing anyway, so it's just a matter of scheduling it to that particular day. < 1285421652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a HHGTTG reference, since 0b101010 == 42. < 1285421671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cf. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-marketing/2010-May/003987.html < 1285421778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Natty Narwhal will focus on making Ubuntu look prettier. :p < 1285421788 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285421793 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure what Maverick focuses on, except that there's some netbookery going on.) < 1285422009 0 :alise!~alise@91.104.239.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285422154 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know if Python has a builtin to compute the number of instances of x in an array? < 1285422188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a count() method. < 1285422199 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> [1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4].count(2) < 1285422200 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1285422248 0 :sovereign2011!~frances@dsl-67-55-19-120.acanac.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285422282 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did we have a python? < 1285422287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python 42 < 1285422293 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!python print 42 < 1285422300 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it a HackEgo thing? < 1285422303 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python print 42 < 1285422315 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1285422333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it wouldn't be a HackEgo thing. < 1285422359 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1285422360 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1285422363 0 :sovereign2011!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285422369 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so there's just Perl. I guess python's not esoteric enough. < 1285422390 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? Have you seen what you can do with some lambdas and no remorse? < 1285422402 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I was trying to say that you could also do a list comprehension and len, as in len([x for x in [1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4] if x == 2]) < 1285422438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbJ-y6BWfUc this is awesome < 1285422439 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or sum(1 if x == 2 else 0 for x in [1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4]) to avoid an intermediate list. < 1285422529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the count method should be enough. < 1285422550 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, compiling ALPACA into one of Golly's formats: worthwhile? < 1285422585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure? < 1285422604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm sure you could add it as a new format. < 1285422675 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coding the ALPACA algorithm into Golly by myself? In C++? < 1285422678 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No thankyou. < 1285422689 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And compiling it to RuleTree should be enough. < 1285422872 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different classifiers, different results: http://zem.fi/~fis/esoconfnf.png → http://zem.fi/~fis/confsvmc.png except that the horrible octave-nnet took an hour to test the first one, whereas the latter happened in about seven seconds of scipy/numpy/mlpy.svm/matplotlib. < 1285422892 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octave-nnet? < 1285422941 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, why can't I be on the recognition list? < 1285422946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody likes you < 1285422956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you merging ihope with Warrigal, uorygl, kerlo, ...? :P < 1285423409 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: octave-nnet is octave-forge's neural networking thingie; it's rather horrible. < 1285423533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You may not have talked enough; 20000 comments is a minimum for that particular list. You seem to have 13851 at the moment. < 1285423550 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a bit more, I haven't ran updatedb in a while. < 1285423582 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285423596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, leaving like that in the middle of my comments isn't winning you any points! < 1285424037 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285424045 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sorry < 1285424071 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octave-forge? < 1285424315 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A collection of add-on stuff for Octave. < 1285424324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they picked the name to resemble sourceforge. < 1285424335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1285424661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[A multidimensional language, where the program is a set of points in Rn and a function which maps these points onto Rm; this process then repeats with the new program and a new function on Rm. Maybe it could be called something like Projection or Linear Map (although these may be too normal/restrictive, in which case Morphism?).]] < 1285424664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck computing that! < 1285424675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rx being R^x ther. < 1285424677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there. < 1285425039 0 :FredrIQ!~FIQ@unaffiliated/fiq JOIN :#esoteric < 1285425244 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/symlinks/index.php ← neat < 1285425276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, i forgot about that thing < 1285425519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot, apparently the Neverhood works perfectly in WINE < 1285425687 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285425719 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-20.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285426832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285427787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I have a 75 MHz Pentium processor, 8 megs of RAM -- or preferably 16, 1 meg of video ram, an SVGA monitor, a quad speed CD-ROM, 8-bit sound card and speakers or preferably 16-bit, and 10 megs of hard disk to store it. < 1285427789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Windows 95. < 1285428032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1285428164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sniff* Looks like I'll have to contact my retailer for an upgrade. < 1285428278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now why doesn't Ubuntu mount this ISO properly? < 1285428300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "mount", it's actually trying to use gvfs to view it as a virtually "mounted" acrhive. < 1285428309 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285428336 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-152.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285428389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. PS3 jailbreak ported to Rockbox. < 1285428529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... The PS3 controller? < 1285428613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noticed that thing in the Maemo repositories a while ago. < 1285428643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By "that thing" I mean the jailbreak itself, not those two ports, of course.) < 1285428782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Awesome. PS3 jailbreak ported to Rockbox. < 1285428783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1285428854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why don't ordinary users have mounting powers on Linux? At least loopback mounting. < 1285428994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could hypothetically mount a filesystem that's got /dev/kmem with them having access. < 1285429006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: From a loopback file? < 1285429010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1285429038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what < 1285429041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any filesystem could have the required inode. < 1285429045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lulz < 1285429051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: okay, new question < 1285429056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is mounting so badly designed? < 1285429062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because hell if I know. < 1285429090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning < 1285429093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :------------------------------------ < 1285429097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program requires Windows 95 to run. < 1285429100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[OK] < 1285429101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :------------------------------------ < 1285429103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it doesn't install :) < 1285429107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to tell wine to be windows 95 < 1285429131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :groan, i'm going to have to NoCD hack an ISO < 1285429226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking for directx 3.0! < 1285429234 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285429238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it wants to restart windows < 1285429258 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285429311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 640x400, resolution of kings! < 1285429411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, square pixels are so... square, after all. < 1285429428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ookayyy, that didn't work so well. < 1285430123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sound in WINE doesn't appear to work at all. < 1285430673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MusicBrainz Picard is so great for fixing dumb tags. < 1285430900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the Neverhood now works, but without sound. I believe this to be because WINE is failing at sound altogether. < 1285430923 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285430978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:57:08 ALPACA is a CA specifier, not anything more general, yes? < 1285430981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:58:02 Since I think it should be compilable to Golly's RuleTable format. < 1285431054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats manually tagging 33 gigs of music. < 1285431101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did at one time ponder a language "ALPA" in which ALPACA would be a DSL simply by loading a library < 1285431112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285431293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some features i vaguely recall: if a word identifier didn't exist, it would look it up as a sequence of single letter identifiers (allowing nw and se e.g. to just be a sequence of them) < 1285431373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there would be macro definitions which could take arguments that could be either words, sequences of words, or bracketed sequences of stuff, iirc, so that ALPACA's commands could be defined simply as macros or so < 1285431472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "words" could also be bracketed things, i think. oh it may not have been bracketed but line separated for the third argument form < 1285431498 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is currently vague on ALPACA as well < 1285431750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was also some automatic conversion between objects, methods and functions with basic ALPACA command ending up interpreted as chains of methods < 1285431759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*commands < 1285431993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity is melting < 1285432020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed to be approaching some kind of (possibly) purely functional object-oriented language < 1285432092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: NEWS FLASH! GLOBAL WARMING WILL CAUSE US ALL TO FALL OFF EARTH < 1285432234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally this would iirc make ALPA(CA) handle neighborhoods larger than moore by just using designations such as nnw (being automatically split into a chain of n n w) < 1285432330 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I must confess I don't quite see the link between global warming and ALPACA. < 1285432350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um you'll have to ask alise about that interlude < 1285432389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was merely my OBVIOUS INTERPRETATION of his statement < 1285432445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course climate simulations are _obviously_ just giant CAs, anyway < 1285432505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Aaaaargh, ALPACA supports nondeterminism. < 1285432514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that might mess with the pure functionality < 1285432947 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/eso2009.avi -- the channel in 2009. (It's just 333 plots concatenated together, so changes in colors, legend layout, y-axis scaling and such make it a flickery sight; still.) < 1285433102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it dances < 1285433116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now do it for all previous years, and make it go much faster < 1285433122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fiery spectacle of delight < 1285433125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, for the galaxies < 1285433126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch the cosmos unfold < 1285433647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the big bang of the channel would be fun to watch, but i don't think anyone has logs of the first days < 1285433659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe andreou or lament :P < 1285433760 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see 2005 < 1285433795 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how I'm competing for the #5 spot with EgoBot :P < 1285433813 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then in September alise just goes "fuck sleeping" < 1285433817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1285433876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Wine takes like five years to build. < 1285433904 0 :FredrIQ!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285433989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god, Apple have gone even further in their quest codenamed "Make iTunes As Little Like What Actual Mac OS X Applications Actually Look Like As Possible, Even On OS X". < 1285434012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, the close/hide/maximise buttons are now *placed vertically*. < 1285434016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Because fuck you, this is iTunes! < 1285434477 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... very unapple. < 1285434556 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285434627 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sine YouTube comment: "Not 100% sold on the show, but I am 100% sold on the music." < 1285434697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, fucking up iTunes in this way is very Apple. < 1285434711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have been doing it since iTunes first existed -- the brushed metal interface, not present in Mac OS 9. < 1285434716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it 8 or 8.5 it came out for? I forget. < 1285435158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why old thinkpads are so awesome < 1285435165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1285435186 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDYse9RE0QU < 1285435229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that got to do with sine? < 1285435239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed with the comment about the dig there < 1285435251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the dig needs made into a movie, badly < 1285435259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it was meant to be, spielberg :P < 1285435278 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typoed < 1285435285 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have been "Some" < 1285435438 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets up timestamps < 1285435443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here i tried googling Sine to see if it was some kind of famous band or something < 1285435465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you could say you went off on a bit of a tangent < 1285435470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION braces for swatting < 1285435482 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, nice, simple, 12-hour time < 1285435492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you are joking yes < 1285435501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i even had to set google to give english results only because "sine" is a very common norwegian pronoun (the plural form of that reflexive possessive i mentioned the other day) < 1285435514 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION obliges -----### < 1285435520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor obliges < 1285435524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting swatted for no reason like that < 1285435535 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm very used to 12-hour time < 1285435536 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION alise -----### < 1285435548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will never fathom the stupidity that is america < 1285435592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw this nice oscar wilde quote in the newspaper today, let me google the english original < 1285435614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wine is still compiling; how?! < 1285435625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between." < 1285435765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HUGLAGHALGHALGHAL" --Oscar Wilde < 1285435770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 hours should be enough for everyone < 1285435789 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i have a hunch that's an uncyclopedia claimed quote < 1285435812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUGLAGHALGHALGHAL, interj. < 1285435812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An all-purpose sound, denoting the act of performing oral sex, the act of receiving oral sex, taking drugs, writing your Congressman, misdialing your party and getting that annoying series of tones, or sitting perfectly still and making no noise whatsoever. < 1285435813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jerkcity.com/glossary.html < 1285435830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, admittedly, I'm pretty sure it's only ever been used to denote the first... < 1285435846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or Oscar Wilde wrote to his Congressman at one point, which is entirely possible < 1285435852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: /~fis/ must be so huge. <-- "ls | wc -l" 548, "du -hs" 4.3G < 1285435860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: only 548? < 1285435861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i found that too, then added "wilde" and confirmed my hunch < 1285435870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you've linked to like 549 things in there! < 1285435886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, someone actually did make that fakequote < 1285435888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a user page < 1285435894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1285435898 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's been wiped out every now and then, though. < 1285435916 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on timestamps, though, this current has been it since 2007-10-22. < 1285435971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: given that oscar wilde was irish, i find it unlikely he wrote his congressman < 1285435984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DON'T KNOW THAT < 1285435995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we totally need the output of ls to verify. < 1285436005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling you're FABRICATING < 1285436007 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, but, but! Private stuff! < 1285436008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially given his attitude to america. although maybe that was what gave him his attitude. < 1285436008 0 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-52-193.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285436012 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah < 1285436014 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boredom aaah < 1285436016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "All that private stuff, that I put on my public HTTP server." < 1285436048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: eat fish < 1285436086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make[1]: *** [depend] Error 1 < 1285436088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1285436188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes < 1285436192 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: haha, you failed < 1285436194 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why fish? < 1285436201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: WHY NOT < 1285436203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT FISH < 1285436207 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why yes? < 1285436209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: building wine is a *bitch!* < 1285436212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: WHY NOND < 1285436220 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why nand < 1285436359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NORK < 1285436405 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat cork < 1285436407 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha! < 1285436426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish is an important part of a complete breakfast < 1285436457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Here you go: http://zem.fi/~fis/eso2004-2009.avi -- more years, more speed. < 1285436504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Way insufficient speed. < 1285436515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want the whole channel to go by in 15 seconds or less! < 1285436516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285436527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you didn't merge zuff into alise < 1285436531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you racist < 1285436541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mergings are insufficient, that's true. < 1285436562 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe in norway < 1285436563 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, the wine people don't seem to have found -fshort-wchar < 1285436565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: now do it again but with the wonderful galaxy cosmoses :P < 1285436577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Bang to present day < 1285436581 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ? < 1285436627 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's weird since the man page specifies that it's FOR wine :P < 1285436674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was actually alluding to http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AdjacentToThisCompleteBreakfast < 1285436681 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, but their coding conventions explicitly say that you have to create an array of WCHAR for every string :) < 1285436730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wine build complete. < 1285436731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YEAH < 1285436814 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGSEGV < 1285436835 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGHEIL < 1285436849 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1285436864 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found an interesting photo of my flatmate ;f < 1285436908 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Before ... the operation? < 1285436925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the tragic incident < 1285436935 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps, just after < 1285436941 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :During < 1285436941 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1285436956 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enduring < 1285436973 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like she's wearing wermacht's uniform and sits on a retro bike < 1285436975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building Debian package... FAILED! < 1285436995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "The operation... that turned me from a duck... into a human." < 1285437001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg-deb - error: (upstream) version (`git') doesn't contain any digits < 1285437003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you too! < 1285437034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's now git-1. :P < 1285437166 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1285437213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: what < 1285437257 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nthn < 1285437305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285437397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol by upgrading wine i broke it < 1285437505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firebird/nightly/2003/07/2003-07-22-21-1.5a/MozillaFirebird-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.gz < 1285437509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old browser ... is old. < 1285437579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./MozillaFirebird-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory < 1285437589 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285437589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a more recent build using gtk2 and xft though. :^) < 1285437611 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grmble the sprocket server is much more unstable than hagbart was :( < 1285437729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it inexplicably works perfectly < 1285437770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to scale the 640x400 to something more my-screen-sized, though. < 1285437777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone any good at using Wine? :P < 1285437821 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has any screen scalers built-in. < 1285437864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use one with it, though? < 1285437889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is there anything in Wine that can relieve the terror caused by a game's sky being designed to be pitch black, even though the rest of it is cheerful claymation? < 1285437890 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm I just found out that that old dell has IR built in. < 1285437898 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shows it as COM2 < 1285437904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is... disturbing. < 1285437910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Dear Kleymen, < 1285437915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please feed my pet flytrap. He eats ring-food. < 1285437917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not. < 1285437920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love Willie") < 1285437929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnier with the blank lines in-between. :P < 1285437937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Klaymen < 1285437937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what game is this? < 1285437942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Neverhood. < 1285437946 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neverhood was awesome < 1285437951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, mhm, genre? < 1285437953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A wonderful clay stop-motion point-and-click adventure game. < 1285437957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant music. < 1285437959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285437964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woot, sound broke < 1285437981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: even the menus are clay :) < 1285438027 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, screenshot < 1285438033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the clay menus? < 1285438049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1285438076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://imgur.com/fIEOe.png < 1285438141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that old zxoom tool that can scale any defined part of the X screen, but it might not exactly be fast. Maybe some of the compositing video managers could "natively" scale a window, though? It shouldn't be a very difficult task. < 1285438148 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xzoom, not zxoom. < 1285438164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1285438168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want it fullscreened and with pillarboxes to the left and right. :P < 1285438169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, wait. < 1285438172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 640x400 16:9? < 1285438192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1285438271 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 16:10 in theory, though I guess the game might actually be designed for non-square pixels so that the screen's aspect ratio is the usual 4:3? < 1285438278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm battery in that dell is sucky, only charges to about 75% < 1285438280 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I recall 640x400 modes usually being. < 1285438283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the audio is broken! < 1285438288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Perhaps. It looks fine windowed in a squrae-pixel display. < 1285438289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of rated capacity < 1285438291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I doubt it. < 1285438299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is circa 1996, Windows game. < 1285438317 0 :iGO!~xk001@62.169.121.27.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1285438362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very uneven charging too < 1285438371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to past self: Just make a 95 VM to play this already. < 1285438406 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but all CRT monitors tend to be 4:3, and if you change the resolution to 640x400, what you usually end up is a fullscreen view with unsquare pixels, not something letterboxed. < 1285438422 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if it's supposed to be run in a window, then not. < 1285438424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But it looks fine in square-pixel form. < 1285438427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't supposed to be run like that. < 1285438431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it looks perfectly decent. < 1285438483 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anyway; another way to scale it would be x11vnc; you could export the part of the desktop that has the game, then use x11vnc's "server"-side scaling and any VNC client. Probably equally silly as xzoom. < 1285438497 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285438502 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1285438504 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I buy stuff < 1285438506 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go home < 1285438510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put it down somewhere < 1285438513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take the dog out < 1285438515 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I come back < 1285438519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I talk with < 1285438520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of lines < 1285438523 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is GONE < 1285438523 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not the foggiest idea where my stuff is < 1285438524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to dramaticise < 1285438528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dramatise < 1285438528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a perfectly < 1285438529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mundane < 1285438530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every < 1285438530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :day < 1285438532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :event < 1285438532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on < 1285438533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC < 1285438540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS < 1285438542 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS < 1285438544 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPARTA < 1285438545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC < 1285438547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1285438561 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh here we are being all funny and stuff < 1285438571 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, < 1285438573 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1285438575 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lack < 1285438578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of < 1285438580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines < 1285438582 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in < 1285438583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1285438583 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your < 1285438583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1285438584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1285438584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1285438584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :post < 1285438584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1285438585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1285438586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1285438588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1285438588 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo did it better anyway, each line was a sentence < 1285438589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :detracts < 1285438590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1285438590 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from < 1285438591 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1285438591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1285438593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drama < 1285438593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1285438595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1285438598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1285438598 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they all started with "I " < 1285438600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1285438600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1285438600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1285438602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1285438604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1285438606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1285438608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1285438610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1285438612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1285438614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1285438616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1285438618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1285438620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1285438622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1285438624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1285438626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rious. < 1285438630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dog < 1285438635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We are to tally hilarious." < 1285438637 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought chocolates, which are in the bag < 1285438644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one tally hilarious? < 1285438670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *Weare to tally hilarious. < 1285438690 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's Weare? < 1285438741 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, someone's actually done the scaling with Xephyr + x11vnc + vncviewer: http://tfischernet.wordpress.com/2009/02/14/enlarge-fullscreen-programs-in-wine/ < 1285438755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the comments mention a compiz plugin for screen-zoomery, though. That sort of thing sounds a lot more sensible. < 1285438767 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it! < 1285438771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: see my comments on generalizing ALPACA in the logs < 1285438802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is trying to poison his dog < 1285438887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, since ALPACA supports nondeterminism, it doesn't specify CAs. < 1285438902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since a CA is deterministic by definition. < 1285439403 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Tested this in stock Gnome-Ubuntu: apparently all you need to do is to make sure compiz is on (System/Preferences/Appearance/Visual Effects > None) and put some keys into System/Preferences/Keyboard Shortcuts/Desktop/Zoom {In,Out} -- then you can zoomity-zoom closer to the Wine window. Unfortunately it will then sort-of keep the view centered to the mouse cursor, which is probably sucktastic for what you want. < 1285439558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Apparently you can fix the mouse cursor into the area. < 1285439572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm doing it in VirtualBox now, anyway (in my hybrid Windows 2000/NT 4 monstrosity). < 1285439584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latest Wine is unreliable as fuck. < 1285439621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, VirtualBox is too laggy. < 1285439646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the cutscenes < 1285439661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It amazes me that there aren't 12cm magneto-optical discs being made. < 1285439669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1285439673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hueg floppy < 1285439680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try the old-fashioned way of making your display resolution lower. < 1285439691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeaaaah, not on an LCD. < 1285439695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bluray-RW! < 1285439696 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285439738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to be messily scaled *anyway*. < 1285439750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No; I just want it to scale up squarely. < 1285439764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can deal with slight letter/pillarboxing; just not a tiny game. < 1285439804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just scale the screen resolution to something with the right aspect ratio but something where the game window is not too tiny? < 1285439811 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 2000/NT? < 1285439824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Problem is that common LCDs do not keep aspect ratio when scaling. < 1285439835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Windows 2000, with NT's explorer.exe and shell32.dll hacked in. < 1285439835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They, instead, just assume that you would OF COURSE want 640x480 at 16:10. < 1285439842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who the hell wants that anyways?) < 1285439856 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Why? < 1285439873 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hacked how? Just dropping NT's stuff in? < 1285439877 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was there more? < 1285439896 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why -- to make IE completely removable and to get a more usable file management interface. < 1285439905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How -- admittedly, someone else did Most of the Work. < 1285439908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's not a problem: you just scale the desktop resolution to something 16:10 with a close-enough height, and let the screen scale that. < 1285439915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extract explorer.exe and shell32.dll from NT 4 update 6. < 1285439921 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285439924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hex edit explorer.exe; change shell32.dll to shell32.nt4 everywhere. < 1285439928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rename shell32.dll to shell32.nt4. < 1285439939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put shell32.nt4 in C:\WINNT on the 2000 machine. < 1285439947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, or maybe in system32. < 1285439948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever. < 1285439954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace C:\WINNT\explorer.exe with the NT4 version. < 1285439966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember to subvert Windows File Protection and various other in-use safeguards when doing the above. < 1285439969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restart. < 1285439971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoy the bugginess. < 1285440067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. If I were more inclined to do Win32 programming, I'd just write an Explorer clone that'd work unbuggily on Win2k. < 1285440081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ITT: ReactOS < 1285440095 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to use ReactOS someday < 1285440106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If this post reaches the front page, I will stream video games one a night for a month to raise money for Child's Play." --reddit < 1285440110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How horrific that will be for you. < 1285440113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in 2 decades, when it's somewhat working < 1285440121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Actually wanting to use ReactOS is a sign of idiocy. < 1285440132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...thinking that ReactOS will still be relevant in twenty years is a sign of I have no freaking idea. < 1285440145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be over forty, by the way. < 1285440173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ReactOS is *somewhat* working now. < 1285440178 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old is WINE? < 1285440183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly courtesy of WINE having done most of the hard work. < 1285440186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: About 15 years. < 1285440189 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1285440203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, 17 years. < 1285440288 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ignores Ubuntu's warning about restricted use < 1285440355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as punishment, I am hit with hellish lag < 1285440635 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH CRAP < 1285440685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD < 1285440708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I hereby command you with using QEMU to get a working NT 4 system on a non-x86 architecure. < 1285440723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*architecture < 1285440912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 3.1 found a niche market as an embedded operating system after becoming obsolete in the PC world. Up until November 2008, both Virgin Atlantic and Qantas employed it for some of the onboard entertainment systems on long-distance jets. It also sees continued use as an embedded OS in retail cash tills[13]. < 1285441078 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1285441082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wishes to have money < 1285441088 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I've tried to do that before. < 1285441090 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285441100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Failure/ < 1285441102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Failure? < 1285441103 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I haven't managed to get non-x86-NT working in any emulator :( < 1285441107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL THEN < 1285441125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Whuzza point, though? It's just going to be a souped-up DOS with servers. < 1285441128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useless servers. < 1285441129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be nice to, say, have more hard drive space and a better graphics card. < 1285441130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No GUI :( < 1285441139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm currently using an on-board GPU) < 1285441146 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: #1 reason would be to prove to you that your "no-GUI" claim is wrong :P < 1285441154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It is not. But okay, let's try. < 1285441160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Pick an architecture. I will pick another. < 1285441169 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call MIPS. < 1285441171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Multitasking makes it a bit more than "souped-up". < 1285441186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise with memory protection. < 1285441186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have a fair amount of money (well, as far as computer hardware goes), but you can't have it unless you do something really awesome. < 1285441191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hmm. < 1285441196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you prefer I tried Alpha or PowerPC? < 1285441202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're trying to maximise the changes of GUI here, remember. < 1285441208 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha would be more compelling, PowerPC more likely to work. < 1285441213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it even possible to still buy Win3.1? < 1285441219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Awesome? Okay. 2 Xeons in a box. < 1285441220 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Frankly I think you won't get either of them working :P < 1285441220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285441227 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm sure if you've got enough money it is. < 1285441228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooor 8 Opterons. < 1285441243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nonono, something awesome that isn't related to the money you get. < 1285441248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes; MSDN account. < 1285441254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's not buying. < 1285441258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's free. < 1285441268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which is more likely to have a GUI, in your opinion? < 1285441270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You pay for the MSDN account. < 1285441274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume I am a magic making-it-work person. < 1285441275 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: PowerPC < 1285441276 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1285441282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Y'know, the one that gives you access to all Windows. < 1285441286 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does MSDN account give you, besides free Win... ah < 1285441289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1285441300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay; you get a MIPS version, I'll get PowerPC. < 1285441307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Also most of their dev stuff. < 1285441307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any method acceptable, including actually buying real hardware. < 1285441315 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 3.5 shipped with all the versions on the disk, does 4 not¿ < 1285441317 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1285441319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The challenge ends when either one of us gets it working, or one of us dies. < 1285441322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, yes, it does. < 1285441331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by "most" I mean "most *versions*". You'll probably miss out on Microsoft BASIC for the Altair.) < 1285441337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I recommend we use a non-updated copy. < 1285441343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows if the updates like the other architectures or not? < 1285441347 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Got one? :P < 1285441353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.torrentz.com/45866c5c7f7e94c7abfc644a869d8d8d27ed875e < 1285441356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's small, too. < 1285441376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Serial key on the http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3632026 link; will go faster if you paste the other trackers in. < 1285441386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, wait. < 1285441387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No seeders. < 1285441397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are the updated copies likely to work with the other archs...? < 1285441409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No clue. < 1285441414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://vetusware.com/download/Windows%20NT%20Server%204/?id=3438 < 1285441423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fetusware. < 1285441426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's the server version < 1285441431 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So? < 1285441432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less likely to have the gui on other archs if you ask me < 1285441436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i'm wrong < 1285441444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's a .rar, and I doubt it has an .iso inside < 1285441450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it wants me to register < 1285441461 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably does, but I'll check. Vetusware is well worth registering :P < 1285441485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good News < 1285441485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please check your email for your account password. < 1285441488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckkk that shit < 1285441490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://www.typewritten.org/Media/Images/winnt-4.0-ppc-new.install.png < 1285441498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can pick my own goddamn p-- < 1285441501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's NT 4 on a PowerPC. < 1285441504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You have damaged the sanctity of the contest. < 1285441508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk no more. < 1285441509 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285441512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That image is photoshopped. < 1285441516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to say a word. < 1285441517 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1285441519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Meanwhile, < 1285441528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Still wanna do MIPS, or Alpha? < 1285441534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe those don't have GUIs. < 1285441537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That said, you will be totally awesome if you get it actually running. < 1285441539 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS. And it will have a GUI :P < 1285441544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Alright then. < 1285441547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll go for Alpha, then. < 1285441549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitch. < 1285441559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fuck, now I want to build a non-x86 machine and put NT 4 on it. < 1285441566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then install all the zero pieces of software you can get for it. < 1285441577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's not big enough, that rar < 1285441580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to contain the iso for all archs < 1285441627 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1285441635 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that http://vetusware.com/download/Windows%20NT%20Server%203.51/?id=3436 is all archs from a previous download. < 1285441649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's 3.51 though) < 1285441682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Make it a PReP system and it'll work out of the box. < 1285441682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ha ha that 4 one is just i386. < 1285441683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked. < 1285441687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One folder, I386. < 1285441692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A what? < 1285441701 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fek < 1285441703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: PowerPC Reference Platform. < 1285441703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.torrentz.com/275db63b173b4930e191c8e2f1a8415e66d670f2 < 1285441707 0 :igo_!~xk001@62.169.108.60.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1285441709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT 4 server, almost 400 megs, seeded. < 1285441714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Download. < 1285441721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Alternately, CHRP. Common Hardware Reference Platform, also PowerPC. < 1285441724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: NO! I must build it manually. < 1285441730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it shall be named Ivory Tower. < 1285441744 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You could actually *build* one of these. < 1285441746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or IVORYT in Windows. :P < 1285441752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Iso by Mr. BirdPoo" < 1285441755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know it's authentic. < 1285441762 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds about right to me! < 1285441767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If you make it CHRP, you could get *Mac OS 8* on there as well. < 1285441772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments are Swedish but the torrent has "English" in the name. < 1285441774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WELL LET'S TRY THIS < 1285441774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: XD < 1285441786 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285441797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Make sure to use http://www.torrentz.com/announce_275db63b173b4930e191c8e2f1a8415e66d670f2, ofc, otherwise it'll be sloow. < 1285441804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be slow anyway, but! < 1285441818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, if these rars don't have isos in them... < 1285441823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do we make qemu boot from them? < 1285441880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm gonna go for Alpha, since we know PowerPC Works. < 1285441885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's Alpha vs MIPS. < 1285441891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have the cooler architecture. :P < 1285441895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a torrent client :P < 1285441910 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me what to write after "aptitude install" < 1285441926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wow. < 1285441935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: transmission-gtk < 1285441957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then open that .torrent file, double click the torrent in the list, go to trackers, edit the list, and paste the *contents* of http://www.torrentz.com/announce_275db63b173b4930e191c8e2f1a8415e66d670f2 in. < 1285441964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sit, wait, hope your router supports UPnP. < 1285442015 0 :igo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285442026 0 :iGO!~xk001@62.169.108.60.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1285442088 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... does transmission support DHT? :P < 1285442099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think so, yes; why? < 1285442121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does. < 1285442131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also peer exchange. < 1285442133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should get a good speed just from those trackers. < 1285442164 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just curious. < 1285442205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually a full-featured client. With a rather minimal UI. < 1285442213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a rather awesome UI. < 1285442227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you disagree, try using Azureus. Sorry, I mean Vuze. < 1285442249 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UI is fine, it's the features I was concerned about :P < 1285442332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst BitTorrent client is the default one. < 1285442347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see almost no information, you can configure almost nothing, and it only does one file per window. < 1285442358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although nowadays it's just a modified uTorrent. < 1285442360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But back then... < 1285442392 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give it a break, it invented BitTorrent :P < 1285442673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And then continued being updated for many years past its expiration date. < 1285442675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And forked! < 1285442697 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fork your mom. < 1285443251 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285443316 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285443602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what do you think of Mozilla Seabird? < 1285443634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to comment on flashy UI proof-of-concept videos. < 1285443712 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-15-20.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285443931 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285443968 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, when will you continue reading FS? < 1285443972 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION almost said watching < 1285445025 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nk < 1285445693 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend had an Alpha with NT on it; I don't know why, but somehow I've always felt Alphas are boring. Maybe it's the PCI bus, it's so normal. < 1285445750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I was under the impression that it was the most viable non-x86 NT thing. < 1285445770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Shut up, we're doing PPC. < 1285445872 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did x86 win, exactly? < 1285446067 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285446099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: intel have a lot of money < 1285446110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft chose it first < 1285446110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1285446371 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These extensions are known as Intel VT (code named "Vanderpool",) and AMD-V (code named "Pacifica".) Although most modern x86 processors include these extensions, the technology is generally considered immature at this point with most software-based virtualization outperforming these extensions.[19] This is expected to change as the technology matures." < 1285446372 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1285446670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, as long as it is faster than bochs! < 1285446673 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285446764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be worth noting that [19] is a 2006 paper; I think (not my area, just a hunch) they've been steadily improving the virtualization extensions from that. < 1285446813 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, has Vala changed since I last looked at it? < 1285446837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh < 1285446953 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh left click is broken in X again < 1285446997 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, today's UF is boring < 1285447002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other input too partly < 1285447004 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Illiad's fault, ofc < 1285447015 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait < 1285447017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUGYS < 1285447018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GUYS < 1285447018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/cWBDT.png < 1285447019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes for ctrl-alt-backspace < 1285447020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is NT 4.0 setup < 1285447022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running on MIPS < 1285447022 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a repeat, not a guest cartoon < 1285447026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCUSS < 1285447042 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discus < 1285447045 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frisbee < 1285447046 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimate < 1285447049 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess < 1285447056 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go < 1285447058 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chess < 1285447059 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arimaa < 1285447064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computers < 1285447091 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeoiscrazy < 1285447093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It could do with some more, I don't know, pizzazz; I mean, it looks just like the non-MIPS installer. Maybe a rotating cube or something. < 1285447107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's in 800x600. < 1285447113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fucking malcontents. < 1285447136 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits alise with a table < 1285447151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in 800x600, yet it puts newlines at the same places the regular installer does, I think. < 1285447156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/nBL9Q.png < 1285447160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXOTIC ENOUGH FOR YOU???? < 1285447162 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a giggly mood today < 1285447168 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least, right now < 1285447174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's better, yes. < 1285447187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that worked, but was rather nasty < 1285447197 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, get it to work on OISC < 1285447200 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, happen to know any command to reset X input stuff? < 1285447209 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Was this qemu-system-mips or what? < 1285447218 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits Sgeo with a red-black tree < 1285447259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, but no, it's not that easy. < 1285447264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor can attest. < 1285447284 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty amazing. < 1285447287 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm heading to #esoteric-silly < 1285447296 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not a general sort of command, though for keyboardy woes the xkb stuff can help. < 1285447302 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To avoid flooding everyone here with my nonsense < 1285447302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SNAP IT FORMATS THOSE TWO JIGGABYTES SO FAST < 1285447314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well it was first mouse, and then also some keyboard keys a bit later < 1285447323 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww come on, no one's there? < 1285447324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, happened a few days ago as well, and that was the first time < 1285447351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: your attempt to reduce the silliness of #esoteric is DOOMED, i tell you < 1285447383 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right click and scrolling still worked, clicking scroll wheel did not < 1285447388 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me: "Yay! Even more time wasted not recovering my harddrive!" < 1285447401 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone: "try putting it in the freezer always works for me" < 1285447419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ouch) < 1285447511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by making it so obviously ruined that you stop wasting time on it? < 1285447532 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is juuust guessing here < 1285447565 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1285447593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I require funds to build the Ivory Tower MIPS Processing Centre, loaded with the Microsoft Windows NT 4.0 Workstation or Server Operating System. < 1285447602 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285447606 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to do it, but how would it hurt, besides if it got wet and didn't let it dry first before attempting recovery < 1285447683 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't someone say condensation is bad? < 1285447719 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Con-den-sation (sation, sation, sation ...) < 1285447728 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was on Facebook, not on IRC < 1285447750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean here, today < 1285447763 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact wasn't it you when doing that vacuuming thing < 1285447776 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compressed air < 1285447796 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit of the electronics looked a bit wet from it, wanted to be sure that it looking dry meant it was dry < 1285447809 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285447811 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, a HD would dry out too? < 1285447858 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well < 1285447879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps having no clue :D < 1285447965 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you have a weird definition of "today". It's almost as though days begin and end for you some time other than when they begin and end for me < 1285447985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1285448047 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compressed air gases-as-liquids tend to be pretty electronics-safe, I believe; evaporate very quickly and so on. < 1285448067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :behold my time traveling powers! < 1285448102 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285448105 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can time travel too! < 1285448115 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can even time travel in my sleep! < 1285448123 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, you have a weird definition of "today". It's almost as though days begin and end for you some time other than when they begin and end for me <-- did you mean: timezones < 1285448136 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares at Vorpal < 1285448140 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's The Joje < 1285448142 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Joke < 1285448157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I thought you were just stupid. No offence meant. < 1285448172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal has progressed to outright calling Sgeo a dumbfuck :P < 1285448233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I added "no offence meant", doesn't that make it okay? < 1285448245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imc1.piccsy.com/13357-ba33a2-500-407.jpg < 1285448247 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: meta joke) < 1285448261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nice link < 1285448359 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, btw, what does resolving deltas mean for git clone? < 1285448370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something. < 1285448372 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it takes an awful lot of time, though this is the kernel source tree < 1285448378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you've insulted Vorpal so many times you've infected him! < 1285448388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, indeed! < 1285448452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means the server is busy creating a packfile to send < 1285448452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over the wire. If you pack the repository before cloning < 1285448452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from it, deltas from the packfile will simply be copied < 1285448452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into the new pack. This will provide a huge speedboost, < 1285448452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so make sure to repack the repository on the server every < 1285448452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once in a while. < 1285448466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ^ < 1285448515 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm... why it is then causing intensive harddrive seeking? < 1285448517 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285448527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is definitely local, based on htop output and so < 1285448530 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on* < 1285448532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1285448542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not skippable, though. < 1285448543 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can donate the laptop to my step-mother's mother! < 1285448547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, right < 1285448548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could ask them to repack. < 1285448550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why? < 1285448558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1285448565 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So she has a computer < 1285448569 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can teach her how to use it < 1285448574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd put a Linux on first, ofc < 1285448579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that sounds like liquid pain. < 1285448584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has she asked for a computer? < 1285448592 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285448593 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's asked for me to teach her < 1285448617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puppy Linux isn't that bad for newbies, is it? < 1285448624 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be there most of the time if she had questions < 1285448630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd install Ubuntu proper. < 1285448643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a device with <200MB RAM? < 1285448694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, who are you talking about? < 1285448697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1285448699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: his stepgrandmother. < 1285448704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.... < 1285448711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :liquid pain indeed < 1285448722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also <200 MB? < 1285448728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that? retro computing? < 1285448733 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This thing is from 1999 or so < 1285448734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not something for a newbie < 1285448736 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TinyCore 8-D < 1285448738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why.... < 1285448749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it is not a good desktop for a newbie though < 1285448749 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I found it in the house somewhere < 1285448756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how goes zee btw? < 1285448766 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Stalled as it ever was. < 1285448781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285448804 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how difficult is a clit mouse for a newbie? And what should I call it, I'm not saying clit mouse or nipple mouse < 1285448818 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285448871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puppy Linux isn't that terrible for newbies when it works, is it? < 1285448947 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Pointing stick? < 1285448970 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is what Wikipedia calls it < 1285449018 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad said no < 1285449026 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She needs to help get the house clean < 1285449040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory this is capable of 80 MiB/s, why do I only get about 1.1 MiB/s < 1285449043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1285449044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you are 21 < 1285449047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not a slave to your father < 1285449050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many fucking times do we have to say this < 1285449060 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and harddrives at either end are not bottle neck < 1285449064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wtf < 1285449079 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: Abandon the money he gives me for college, abandon the house I live in... < 1285449108 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have to have a job that will only serve to distract me further from homework? < 1285449142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes: giving someone a laptop will cause your dad to go batshit crazy and kick you out of the house and never give you any money. < 1285449149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If this is actually true and doesn't read like sarcasm, your dad is a fucking lunatic.) < 1285449157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CPU on either end is not fully loaded < 1285449168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact *no* resource on the computers are fully loaded by this < 1285449172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is* < 1285449179 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wtf is going on < 1285449206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gbit switch have been able to sustain way more than this before < 1285449229 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He might attempt to take away my computer < 1285449235 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the ancient laptop < 1285449283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So, basically, your father is batshit insane and would try and make your life suck because you were generous or acted independently in any way signifying that you are perhaps an adult. < 1285449315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I fear that old dell laptop may have some vibrational issues with the hdd... < 1285449317 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, he's locked my computer and taken away my laptop in the past < 1285449321 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not permanently, usually < 1285449322 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, lets see how long it lasts < 1285449326 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for extended periods of time < 1285449348 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, my step-mother's mother is moving [back] in. I think that does make a difference to the situation < 1285449355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So... you're basically just planning to rely on your batshit insane father who's halting your development into an adult because you get money in return for only doing everything he says. < 1285449356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noted. < 1285449423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's been halted enough such that working out how to get out is difficult < 1285449434 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which claims do you agree/disagree? http://jyte.com/claims?by=zzo38computer.cjb.net&page=1 (please note I do not necessarily agree with all of these myself, although I do agree most) < 1285449528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 1) Get job 2) Move out < 1285449593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285449632 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0syntax < 1285449638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: ? < 1285449665 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't even know where I'd move to < 1285449672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You go to university, right? < 1285449677 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1285449679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what are you going on about now? < 1285449692 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I could switch to being in a dorm in the middle of a semester < 1285449707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You could always wait until next semester or just, you know, ask. < 1285449730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have serious potential as a programmer, it's just that you haven't seemed to really change much in years. < 1285449798 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i said: 0syntax < 1285449808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: 1syntax < 1285449814 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2syntax < 1285449819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7syntax < 1285449825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises something terrible < 1285449836 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, thank you < 1285449858 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although by "haven't seemed to change", do you mean going-through-life-wise, or related to programmerness? < 1285449894 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, well, I've never seen any of your software. < 1285449933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The former, really. You've improved as a programmer. < 1285449935 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i also keep mine in secret < 1285449984 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, why does noöne keep a decent wiki account. < 1285450016 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's PSOX! < 1285450065 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What do you mean by that? What do you mean by not a decent wiki account? < 1285450081 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that was hyperbole. < 1285450117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But *some people* have an irritating habit of not bothering to log in, making it nigh-impossible to find their work quickly. < 1285450136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE ME < 1285450140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1285450142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Did you mean me?) < 1285450147 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ESPECIALLY < 1285450153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT SGEO DOES IT TOO < 1285450173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also under Sgep < 1285450190 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't have much work < 1285450208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey _i_ always log in. except that one time the other day i didn't notice i'd been logged out. < 1285450368 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I do sometimes do stuff anonymously < 1285450372 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seems strange for me < 1285450390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/24.46.152.130 < 1285450396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you sicken me! < 1285450521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is more annoyed by people editing pages in myriads of small steps, since it fills up the recent changes < 1285450552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a considerable overlap with the anonymous editors there though < 1285450611 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, CPedia is down < 1285450641 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that annoys me too. Particularly because there's a great big "Preview" button next to the "Save" one. < 1285450814 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's what graphviz thinks who talked the most with each other in 2009 here: http://zem.fi/~fis/conv2009.png < 1285450830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As predicted, I am the centre. < 1285450852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Cuil has been shut down entirely, it seems. < 1285450859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a rather central alise-ais523-Vorpal triangle. < 1285450862 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooo < 1285450903 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers he's only been here since mid-2010 < 1285450908 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, regularly. < 1285450912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the days when we had lambabot < 1285450917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go harass gwern to give us lambdabot < 1285450941 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? i'm not even on #haskell any more < 1285450980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nice phrase I spotted in kernelconfig: "Routing message grabulator" < 1285451010 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You are rather in the middle in http://zem.fi/~fis/conv2010.png though. < 1285451045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm a bit suspicious of the fact that it doesn't even have a fizzie-fungot edge at all, though.) < 1285451045 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: your majesty! and queen. he and a friend left on a journey 10, then magic damage will be reduced by 10%. a star after any characteristic means it's at maximum strength! no matter what the price! it is, you idiot! hey! is that for us! the chef's in a snit, trying to get food to the front lines. heard a spell to energize the sword takes immense evil! indeed! this thing. what you have? transform! this trading house. it's t < 1285451055 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, you're not on it! < 1285451056 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: by thy leave, crono?!! you brought back my cat! thank you, crono! crono...! < 1285451056 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the lines seem to be joined to the node labeled "alise". I think "flexo" is the only node with only one line? < 1285451056 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're missing some identifications. oklopol = oklofok, augur = psygnisfive, kerlo = warrigal iirc < 1285451074 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wasn't estoppel someone else too < 1285451084 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285451090 0 :Lemmih!~lemmih@xvm-18-222.ghst.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285451102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorr = gregorr-l < 1285451103 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I only have alise/ehird/tusho → alise and vorpal/anmaster → vorpal. I'll add those to my nick-canonicalization list now. < 1285451111 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that any good? < 1285451142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1285451147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you need estoppel < 1285451150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zuff :P < 1285451153 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What is a nick-canonicalization list? < 1285451154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iehird < 1285451157 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x -> x x < 1285451158 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :join id < 1285451163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i presume you do * at the end to get the iphones, otherwise i'm OUTRAGED < 1285451168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: you're missing some identifications. oklopol = oklofok, augur = psygnisfive, kerlo = warrigal iirc < 1285451170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := uorygl too < 1285451180 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not expect that point-free thing. < 1285451185 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It matches all your prefixes, yes. < 1285451203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type join < 1285451204 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a. (Monad m) => m (m a) -> m a < 1285451263 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Which one was the current name of "kerlo = warrigal = uorygl"? < 1285451296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uorygl < 1285451309 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves the way that his second-strongest conversation line is to fungot. < 1285451309 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we are looking, but well behaved! crono!! they're escaping! 1b is escaping! 1b is escaping! 1b is escaping! so! that cathedral to the west?... yes! well then rest and relax! huh? < 1285451320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1285451320 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1285451328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ic < 1285451328 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ic (INTERCAL manual) < 1285451341 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I suspect this will be boring. < 1285451342 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this would produce an error if reinstated somehow, but using a onespot or twospot variable is reverse-assigned twice in the standard directories for libraries on your computer does run out of memory during compilation, it will print a copyright message and a `next' or `again' was devised by malcom ryan, who implemented `come from'-based multithreading as a standalone line label. < 1285451346 0 :Lemmih!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285451361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I forgot to thank Lemmih < 1285451365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks Lemmih < 1285451365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: warrigal = tswett last he was here < 1285451367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you do that? < 1285451373 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what time does Deewiant tend to be active at? < 1285451381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: do what < 1285451392 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you forgot soupdragon = fax. < 1285451392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: get lambdabot < 1285451439 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Gah, I *just* redrawed those plots. I'll add that remapping, but won't bother updating those pictures. They're a mess anyway. < 1285451446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: soupdragon = fax (= misspiggy iirc), scarf = ais523, gregor-w = gregor. for gregor* and oklo* it may be best to use regexes... < 1285451470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sure oklopol had more, at least < 1285451475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's already a regex-based map, and I did ^gregor → gregor, ^oklo → oklopol. < 1285451482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1285451509 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Vonlebio = me, but that probably won't affect anything. < 1285451513 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Vonlebio < 1285451573 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i had nothing to do with lambdabot < 1285451583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then... < 1285451586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did he appear? < 1285451588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just now < 1285451598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio? pikhq? < 1285451601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie? < 1285451625 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to cackle evilly, but feels unentitled < 1285451625 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Twas I. < 1285451628 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should learn to write resumes < 1285451635 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the little accent thingies, ofc < 1285451636 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, allow me. < 1285451640 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHAHA < 1285451647 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, little accent thingies? < 1285451664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re'ume' < 1285451664 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh Vonlebio = Phantom_hoover too :D < 1285451671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The é in résumé, I guess. < 1285451711 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, do you have a compose key? < 1285451722 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently not < 1285451724 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on < 1285451780 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got ít¡ < 1285451803 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Itś in an annoying place, though < 1285451807 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Done. Fixedated the pictures, even. (For some values of "fixed"; fdp's layouts leave something to be desired.) < 1285451833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now do the Origin of the Cosmos. < 1285451846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, the fast-track through 2004-present of the galaxies. < 1285451850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's is now itś, and its is now its < 1285451864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that isn't the compose key < 1285451867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a dead apostrophe < 1285451874 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285451889 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Añd I used the compose key to make it < 1285451922 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didńt turn ' into dead apostrophe < 1285451923 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the 2009 one looks like it got much larger < 1285451932 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The itś thing is just humorous to me < 1285451940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1285451973 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :résumé < 1285451982 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The selection of what nodes and edges to include is pretty random. There's at least the "must have at least N comments" cutoff, so the merging of nicks could easily add nodes. < 1285451985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accents fail < 1285452007 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Sgeo,” Vonlebio said, “compose can also be used for nice quotes.” < 1285452023 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Firefox: When you crash, and I restart you, I really, really do not want all my tabs loading again < 1285452029 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In conclusion, fuck you, Firefox < 1285452046 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: Also called "smart quotes", because they're obviously a lot smarter than the regular, old, stupid quote. < 1285452070 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But noöne but me uses it for diæreses (or ligatures). < 1285452084 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION disables < 1285452087 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285452092 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it was originally a habit of alise’s. < 1285452105 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¨Hmm¨ < 1285452110 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those aren't smart quotes < 1285452112 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL < 1285452121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smart quotes with compose suck < 1285452123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the default bindings < 1285452125 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're more like bottomless quotes < 1285452133 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is kind of hot < 1285452156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1285452165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the most ridiculous use of the phrase "hot" ever. < 1285452182 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you modify the list of characters generated by compose key in Linux, for an individual account? < 1285452195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: .XCompose < 1285452198 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Rule34Quotes < 1285452271 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, Compose-<-" is a rather ridiculous sequence. < 1285452279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm not yet quite sure how to animate those, since the existing system needs quite a whole lot of data for a single point, let alone a whole constellation. I could try out (at some point) just shorter sets, but I think it might jumble everything up rather badly. < 1285452327 0 :Rule34Quotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Ooh, ty” < 1285452353 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, animate what? < 1285452353 0 :Rule34Quotes!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“”so hot < 1285452365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 34 < 1285452366 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : '"' < 1285452381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COINCIDENCE, OR NOT? < 1285452389 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY GOD < 1285452405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: That "PCA points with gaussian covariances" plot that looks like a starry sky. http://zem.fi/~fis/esomapn.png and those. < 1285452408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: plot first from only one day < 1285452410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then first + next day < 1285452412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cumulatively < 1285452415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1285452417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so eventually it's the sum total of all logs < 1285452437 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, PCA? < 1285452454 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Tuesday I will try the .XCompose. Is it necessary to log out and then log in again? < 1285452455 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, label your axes! < 1285452464 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why Tuesday? < 1285452471 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it requires a restart of the X server. < 1285452474 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: They're the two first PCA components; they don't have any sensible labels. < 1285452480 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: Principal Component Analysis, you know. < 1285452490 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds STATISTICAL < 1285452510 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :axis of evil labels < 1285452540 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: It is FreeGeek, it is Ubuntu LTSP. Will it work if the terminal is switched off and on again? < 1285452556 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1285452566 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that restarts the X server, then yes. < 1285452584 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kxo < 1285452628 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Ubuntu LTSP..... do you know anything about Ubuntu LTSP? < 1285452679 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than sane programming < 1285452681 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do you know how to make it start the terminal window maximized? < 1285452715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It needs the data split into sets in order to get multiple points per person. Though I could take every N'th comment so that it'd sort-of cumulatively affect each point. The feature-extraction script I have can't quite also do "cumulative" yet -- well, I guess it could if I just regenerate the data files for each frame of animation, and stick the fixed PCA matrix somewhere else. I'll see what I can do. < 1285452755 0 :Rule34Quotes!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1285452756 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285452813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1285452843 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what data does it even extract? < 1285452856 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: Didn't you see that list of components? < 1285452865 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: http://zem.fi/~fis/esomap-comp.png < 1285452867 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... < 1285452893 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: It does 60 features, that's just a random-ish selection of 17. < 1285452929 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's an attempt at grouping by writing style? < 1285453013 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: Right. The confusion matrices I've seen have been about how well it classifies the points in http://zem.fi/~fis/esomapf.png < 1285453031 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that esomapf.png is a 2-dimensional projection, so they're not very "groupable" there.) < 1285453079 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, you and zzo are highly unusual in writing style? < 1285453100 0 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-52-193.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285453113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though you perhaps should keep putting "writing style" in quotes; the features are pretty trivial. < 1285453148 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Writing style” < 1285453169 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, don’t start getting any sick pleasure out of that. < 1285453178 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also is not IRC-specialized at all, since we originally wrote that stuff to guess book authorship. < 1285453192 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so why you? zzo38 writes oddly, but you don't really stand out. < 1285453217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: I think it's mostly the sentence and "paragraph" (message) length features in my case. < 1285453253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: See message length distributions, alise vs. vorpal vs. myself: http://www.cis.hut.fi/htkallas/len.png -- there's a difference there. < 1285453263 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't you feed MY ego for this? It's obviously the most important! < 1285453415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: Okay, http://zem.fi/~fis/len.png has you too. < 1285453458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Y value where it sort of flattens out and goes noise-only depends on the total number of comments.) < 1285453460 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I that line that goes insane between 150 and 250? < 1285453491 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, small comment count. < 1285453529 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Y value 1/N, where N is the comment count, since that's normalized frequencies of different line lengths, in logscale. < 1285453557 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be a bit below 0.0001, so N > 10000 but not too much. < 1285453729 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285453757 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-152.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285453819 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285453930 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My love for quotes is not sick < 1285453937 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's perfectly "normal" < 1285453940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1285453981 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285454004 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noöne let Sgeo near TeX. < 1285454046 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Why? < 1285454074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is "sexual < 1285454086 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it has quotes which will push Sgeo’s fetish over the edge! < 1285454118 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Mmm” < 1285454139 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter, you can use it if you want to < 1285454145 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :”mmm“ < 1285454166 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah! Just “quoted” the whole universe < 1285454209 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With all the obvious implications < 1285454211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Yivo < 1285454216 0 :Yivo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, registered nick < 1285454218 0 :Yivo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1285454255 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yivo hasn't been seen since 2009 < 1285454266 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Vonlebia < 1285454267 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Registered the day before < 1285454269 0 :Vonlebia!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Vonlebio < 1285454296 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ideas < 1285454313 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadideas < 1285454391 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use another Shakespearian acronym... < 1285454409 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was a bust < 1285454411 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1285454545 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read this, please: http://jyte.com/claims?by=zzo38computer.cjb.net&page=1 < 1285454571 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You win a million points if you can work out what Vonlebio is an acronym of. < 1285454607 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: I can't figure out < 1285454826 0 :webquint!625c5327@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.92.83.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285454838 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS there are ads on the 5-second movies. < 1285454853 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ads are *6 times as long* as the content. < 1285454895 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adblock plus probably kills them < 1285454929 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're those obnoxious ones that play before the video, so I shall need some further convincing. < 1285454998 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kills them on livestream, and various other services. doesn't kill them for hulu. only way to know is to try it. < 1285455054 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it looks like it works. < 1285455103 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c: < 1285455129 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait, it doesn't. < 1285455142 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ads are from bit.ly < 1285455147 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, oops. < 1285455150 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blip.tv < 1285455156 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1285455199 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst part is that they're Windows 7 ads. < 1285455205 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the most obnoxious strain. < 1285455270 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Hashcash dead? < 1285455325 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm? < 1285455439 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1285455595 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kaneva has opened to developers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1285455597 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION happies < 1285455697 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285456532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good *God* the FFXIII soundtrack sucks. < 1285456693 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, s/the// and s/soundtrack// < 1285456711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even have Prelude! < 1285456741 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this mean anything to you? "Help! I disagree is full of nuts!" < 1285456764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: s/s\//s\/ /g < 1285456771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1285456819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sounds like something fungot would say < 1285456819 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: operand overloading causes a break, as if the command line ( this can be read, here's an example::. < 1285457043 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285457062 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you experimented writing music using notes other than standard 12-TET? Do you want to win a big spider by playing solitaire card? Do you think METAFONT is the best program for designing typefaces? How much garlic do you put in your tomato sauce? How long *isn't* this sentence? How much does Thursday weigh? < 1285457087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have IRDA but nothing else to use it with < 1285457089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boring < 1285457097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out you can't do RCX with the IR port < 1285457102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is not IRDAish at all < 1285457114 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs a fixed carrier frequency (unlike IRDA) and what not < 1285457189 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285457351 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, heck if i know, i don't cook, 18 characters, and 15*10^16 eV/c^2 < 1285457664 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, no, dunno, 1 or 2 cloves, one mile, ERROR: Cannot cast type (day) to type (weight) < 1285457701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot the spider. no. < 1285457719 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should look for the power and USB cables for my external HD < 1285457861 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1285457868 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CONUNDRUM: how is Sgeo pronounced? < 1285457899 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/sgeo.wav < 1285457911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Don't visit other pages on that site < 1285457917 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't demalwareized them < 1285457921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION visits other pages on that site < 1285457928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we use linux dude < 1285457929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285457952 0 :gunninK!~SirNichol@unaffiliated/gunnink JOIN :#esoteric < 1285457967 0 :gunninK!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285457984 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I am going to ignore that. < 1285458011 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more æsthetically pleasing choice is "Szheo". < 1285458028 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or skhayo < 1285458041 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sqeo < 1285458063 0 :Sqeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SeGo < 1285458073 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Skeeo" < 1285458141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: LIRC can use some IRDA chipsets for consumer IR with varying levels of success -- http://www.lirc.org/irda.html though I don't think it's quite up-to-date -- but it's mostly a matter of luck. I had one act-ir200l serial dongle I tried to use as a receiver -- there's a driver now -- and it sort-of got some data, but it was too noisy to be usable from more than 10 cm away. < 1285458148 0 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285458171 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1285458176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SeGo: "Sir gay-oh", duh < 1285458181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but without the r < 1285458182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sugayoh < 1285458207 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts listening to Sgeo karaoke. < 1285458214 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION regrets in instantly. < 1285458217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy shit SeGo's accent is *irritating as fuck* < 1285458241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old were you in that recording? < 1285458245 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio, doesn't karaoke require lyrics? < 1285458259 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, never comment on other people's voices, since you rarely know how annoying yours is. < 1285458275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: Enough people have analysed my voice for me to have a guess :P < 1285458278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1285458282 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1285458296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I sound like a British 10 year old minus the irritating.) < 1285458302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And more, uh, smoothly British.) < 1285458303 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that I don't know when I made it < 1285458308 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe around 2008 or so? < 1285458313 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on, maybe the server knows < 1285458336 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first person I ask gives my voice annoyingness 5/10. < 1285458360 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't ask. < 1285458364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you could perhaps use a webcam < 1285458372 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My voice is too annoying for me to want a second opinion :P < 1285458372 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, after all they tend to pick up IR < 1285458373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SeGo: Is that accent normal where you are? < 1285458379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so: we need to nuke that part of the US. < 1285458392 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I don't recall your voice being particularly grating. < 1285458394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I think SeGo lives in New York. < 1285458396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's nuke New York. < 1285458397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when I want to check something IRish works I tend to check in my phone camera < 1285458399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get rid of al the hipsters. < 1285458401 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1285458402 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SeGo: That is a really bizarre accent. < 1285458411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sounded foreign for the first second or so < 1285458425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then he just sounded like pure nase (nasal means "relating to nases") < 1285458442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, a mix of Italian and Minnesotan. < 1285458485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot nase. < 1285458486 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, DO NOT LISTEN TO HIS KARAOKE < 1285458494 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good lord, why are people so mean X-D < 1285458504 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I can't sing either. < 1285458508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: LINK ME LINK ME < 1285458514 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I therefore sing as little as possible. < 1285458517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor SeGo is going to commit suicide. < 1285458529 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A COPY OF PAINT IT BLACK ON HAND FIRST. < 1285458536 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that! < 1285458539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORT OF DONE < 1285458539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you know how mic/headphone jacks on computers are normally colour coded? < 1285458541 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SeGo: Long Island, right? < 1285458543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUICK DOWNLOAD IT BEFORE SEGEO DELETES IT < 1285458547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. < 1285458551 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/paint_it_black_karaoke.ogg < 1285458554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, same for many other connectors? < 1285458564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1285458564 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snagged it! < 1285458570 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not deleting it < 1285458576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which is rather useful. Except they decided they wanted a sober look on this dell. All connectors are gray < 1285458578 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O god < 1285458581 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark gray that is < 1285458582 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the actual lyrics, it's lyrics from < 1285458583 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1285458588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now let's use SeGo's hands to punch him and say "Stop hitting yourself!" < 1285458588 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll record myself singing opera and upload that for you to make fun of :P < 1285458590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Northern Cities Vowel Shift *and* Italian and what the fucking fuck. < 1285458596 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, with some light gray labels above on the mid-gray case :P < 1285458599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we can lock him in a cupboard! < 1285458612 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106380 < 1285458616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it's rather absurd if the light conditions aren't good < 1285458622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lawl < 1285458624 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, have you listened to it? < 1285458628 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It just sounds very Long Island to me. < 1285458629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: preparing to < 1285458642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, actually there is one colour coded port. The parallel one. < 1285458644 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANNOT UNHEAR IT < 1285458649 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which makes the whole thing even stranger < 1285458657 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uo < 1285458665 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I upload this? < 1285458665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, SeGo, but I don't have the endurance to listen to more than one second of that. < 1285458669 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should have been scrapped < 1285458673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing personal, just... never sing. Ever. < 1285458677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please. < 1285458684 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be in Chorus in elementary school < 1285458691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Dell at work is mostly-black, and also has the front panel mic/headphone connectors black and with very unreadable labels. Haven't looked at the back panel, though, it might be conventionally color-coded there. < 1285458694 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to listen to it in packets of a second to stop myself from going insane. < 1285458695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's not saying much. < 1285458695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think SeGo sounded too bad < 1285458703 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, WTFBBQ < 1285458704 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good lawd X-D < 1285458708 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't even have to know about pitch. < 1285458710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio, ? < 1285458712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You mean the karaoke? < 1285458716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just the "HELLO MY NAME ISN'T SGEO" < 1285458718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR SINGING < 1285458718 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1285458719 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no? I meant the name < 1285458724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/paint_it_black_karaoke.ogg < 1285458724 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yes < 1285458726 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I missed the karoke < 1285458728 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He starts singing about half an octave too high! < 1285458729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, < 1285458732 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1285458734 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio, DON'T LISTEN TO IT < 1285458736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SeGo: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOURS < 1285458736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, karoke is almost always bad < 1285458738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FURTHEMORE SEGEO SUCKS COCKS AND IS HOMOSEXUAL < 1285458739 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT OUGHT TO BE AN SCP < 1285458742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't have high hopes < 1285458747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: /msg < 1285458758 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desire to record myself singing opera increasing :P < 1285458768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Understandable. < 1285458776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all opera sounds terrible, though < 1285458778 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't read the lyrics that were onscreen obviously < 1285458782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desire to record myself increasing. Lack of microphone constant. < 1285458785 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since those weren't the lyrics I wanted to record < 1285458789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, bad opera sounds terrible. < 1285458790 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1285458800 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf wtf < 1285458803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you should < 1285458804 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, it cannot be unheard now. < 1285458817 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre mutation sux < 1285458846 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can now threaten this channel at will! < 1285458847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a microphone but ubuntu doesn't recognise its existence < 1285458849 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUAHAHAHA < 1285458871 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to threaten to sing! *sings about his newfound threatening ability* < 1285458887 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too bad that all IRC clients are preprogrammed to download and play on loop any audio file presented. < 1285458928 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do want to try again at some point < 1285458931 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully get it right < 1285458933 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No that isn't true < 1285458943 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that's the joke < 1285458965 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some IRC clients probably have an option (which might be disabled by default), and some do not download them at all < 1285458971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SeGo: I am pretty sure you naturally cannot sing. < 1285459072 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I know when it was recorded: < 1285459074 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A year ago < 1285459088 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less < 1285459092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SeGo: Again, is that accent usual where you are? < 1285459098 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What accent? < 1285459102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, see /msg < 1285459117 0 :SeGo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels like Vorpal and alise are talking about him behind his back :/ < 1285459190 0 :Vonlebio!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that file is going to have to be banned under some convention or other.