< 1285891302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE A FIRST DRAFT READY < 1285891304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAAAAAY < 1285891309 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → SLEEP
< 1285891556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285892483 0 :hailtothethief!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285892529 0 :clochette!~clochette@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285892581 0 :clochette!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285893022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1285893055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left arm < 1285893639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :archaeology < 1285893646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : urgh < 1285893646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i like stoner rock < 1285893648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO HORRIBLE, TO LIKE < 1285893997 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that address (192.88.99.1) the global IPv4 anycast of 6to4 gateways? < 1285894120 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1285894313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 / 1.4^2 < 1285894314 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.5306122448979593 < 1285894419 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1285894561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 / 123456789 < 1285894562 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8.100000073710001e-9 < 1285894609 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285895412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, BytePusher runs at 3.93 MHz < 1285895416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fast! < 1285895528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, bytepusher uses C as an assembler XD < 1285895637 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh? < 1285895824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It does. < 1285895836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has a little header of C code that defines some stuff like jmp() and lbl(). < 1285895845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it has loops to automate the generation of tedious code. < 1285895851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it all gets spat out to a .BytePusher file. < 1285895855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused by what the 4MHz number has to do with the C-as-asm statement. < 1285895859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nothing. < 1285895863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking at BytePusher. < 1285895865 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1285895967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's common in minimalist riscs to have a skip-if-condition and a single unconditional jump instruction rather than conditional jumps, right? < 1285896039 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do-if-condition < 1285896044 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if one could mimic try ... catch ... finally in C < 1285896062 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: setjmp/longjmp < 1285896072 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but syntacticaly < 1285896076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ... fail ... give up < 1285896079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you mean have an extra conditional in each instruction? < 1285896080 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using clever macros < 1285896081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's fun < 1285896086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but means every instruction could branch < 1285896086 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: A few wonky macros, no problem. < 1285896088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is sort of ~not fun~ < 1285896090 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ARM does < 1285896094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes, it's been done < 1285896102 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :url plz < 1285896102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hmm, does it do anything fancy? < 1285896112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: JFGI < 1285896122 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Almost always the condition is just used on branch instructions, but ANY instruction can be conditional. < 1285896130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"try and catch in C", fourth freaking result < 1285896138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That must fuck everything up. < 1285896154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, that's a pretty CISC thing to do, isn't it? < 1285896165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS is cooler anyway :P < 1285896165 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ARM isn't really RISC :P < 1285896171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah fuck ARM < 1285896175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS 4eva < 1285896179 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS just has conditional branches. < 1285896221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what's the point of condition flags and the like? are they faster than registers? i've forgotten < 1285896233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just to avoid legislating a format for booleans :P < 1285896235 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1285896236 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not architectury enough to answer that. < 1285896352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if "eq d,a,b" should leave d alone if a =/= b, or set it to zero
< 1285896354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former, I think < 1285896362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always zero it beforehand < 1285896410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: all these registers are so bloated compared to OISCs >_> < 1285896419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PDP-8 only had 8 instructions, and it was CISC! :P < 1285896621 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: BTW, how much you get from test-IPv6 tests? :-) < 1285897103 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, hm? < 1285897107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD r1, r1; LD r2, r2; EQ r3, r1, r2; SNZ r3; JMP end; ... end: < 1285897111 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found out about it from Wikipedia < 1285897114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an awfully long series of instructions for if (*x==*y) < 1285897194 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 10/10 for both dual stack and v6 only tests... :-) < 1285897199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern top-down programming is tested rigorously at every step even before the full design has completed; unfinished components are filled in by stubs so that the program can be tested. ...So top-down programming has turned into a freaky version of bottom-up programming. Lovely! < 1285897216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: If only anyone else did so you could put it to use >:) < 1285897462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:15:05 And dbc's ascii-art. < 1285897463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc's? < 1285897466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he never talks! < 1285897470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[suddenly, dbc talks] < 1285897480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:15:32 I think there was in... not more than five years ago. < 1285897481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1285897645 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't talk much. < 1285897807 0 :Kordalien!~chatzilla@adsl-71-141-89-187.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285898141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: You're so predictable, talking when someone says you're not going to talk. < 1285898152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: In fact, I bet you don't say something very soon. < 1285898225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. Bye. < 1285898227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285898442 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1285899301 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody needs to write an OISC backend for GCC. < 1285899306 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285899684 0 :MB_MB!Constant_R@64.220.221.166.ptr.us.xo.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285899778 0 :MB_MB!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285900058 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285900485 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And binutils I spose .. < 1285905016 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285906456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1285907672 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285908433 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285909364 0 :sshc_!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1285909503 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285909555 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285910246 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with this picture (hint, 4 things): 00:16 < Oleg_> I have a question. What C++ code for unicode would correspond to ANSCII value 129? < 1285910322 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285910342 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sees 3
< 1285910365 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, n.. oh, still < 1285910367 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: which? < 1285910372 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ANSCII" < 1285910382 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 < 1285910394 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was thinking the 129, but then thought it was acceptable, but then that's some extended junk, right? < 1285910396 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :129, "code for unicode", and Oleg < 1285910405 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C++" has nothing to do with anything < 1285910479 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my 4 were: ANSCII, 129, "C++ code for unicode" twice; once for assuming C++ has any unicode support, twice for asking for a "code for unicode" < 1285910519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as the C++ thing goes, I just saw it as "Well, the question should fundamentally be language-independent" < 1285910521 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you shouldn't use the nick Oleg unless you're really smart < 1285910599 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1285910660 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: because the real Oleg is the person who owns this site http://okmij.org/ftp/ < 1285910737 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite impressive < 1285910745 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I think I'm insane < 1285910767 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering trying to gun for a triple major and a minor < 1285911609 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With those majors in some things borderline-useful? < 1285911617 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are we talking philosophy, linguistics and psychology? < 1285911816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Linguistics is borderline-useful. Keep in mind that you put it into application rather often. ;) < 1285911866 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess by "borderline-useful" I mean "puts food on the table" < 1285911886 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linguistics can only do that paired with something actually useful (e.g. CS) < 1285911900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're in academics. < 1285911912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case it doesn't matter you could be studying basket weaving. < 1285911961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And psychology is something like 3/4ths bullshit, due to lack of knowledge. < 1285911971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Philosophy? Formal study of bullshit. < 1285911986 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285911990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it both useless and astoundingly fascinating at the same time. < 1285912068 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285912301 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285912539 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO pikhq: Go read the Fythe spec dammit! < 1285912605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The first bit I actually added some text to that is) < 1285912919 0 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285912944 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, haven't been here in a while < 1285913055 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably missed something interesting ... oh well (not going to read hundreds of old logs, even if it has only been like two or three months, heh) < 1285913262 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I'll just say it, I know it's lame to most of you, but I did port my Befunge-93 interpreter to Modula-2, and I (optionally) crammed its source into less than 80x25 (w/ example too) < 1285913294 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crappy, crazy, useless but whatever ... tada! ;-) < 1285913416 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285913894 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1285913995 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things I want: candies that taste like vitamin C pills but do not give indigestion < 1285914162 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange? < 1285914169 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fruit? < 1285914230 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not the same < 1285914237 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like exactly the same < 1285914254 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant why complicate it? just eat an orange ;-) < 1285914337 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it does not taste the same < 1285914365 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough, plus it's easily available and has vitamin C < 1285914373 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all natural < 1285914379 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably cheaper too (hopefully) < 1285914431 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) not close enough < 1285914449 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) I don't want vitamin C. The problem is the damned pills give you indigestion if you have too many < 1285914466 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then don't eat too many! < 1285914490 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to < 1285914493 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are yummy < 1285914514 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your stomach doesn't, obviously, so you have to compromise < 1285914523 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, coppromise < 1285914580 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should work
< 1285914591 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you're an expert at not working. help me stop < 1285915662 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think philosophy is pretty cool < 1285915665 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of it, anyway < 1285915669 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all < 1285916417 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285919131 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285919413 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285919999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1285920000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1285921932 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Seeeeeya < 1285922062 0 :Kordalien!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285923049 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285924241 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285925135 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285928852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning ← < 1285931262 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1285932702 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285932742 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285934228 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285934777 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285935402 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285936825 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1285936837 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285937524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285938247 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285939765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1285939954 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285941636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285941652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285941664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a film coming out about Facebook. < 1285941670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This saddens me. < 1285941701 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it about a middle aged woman who discovers the internet < 1285941706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, I saw the trailer for it immediately before watching Inception, which erased the horror from my mind for at least a month. < 1285941706 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that is basically facebook < 1285941713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, no, it's about the founding. < 1285941881 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285941898 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285942665 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sshc < 1285943967 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285944970 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: x < 1285946097 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1285947220 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285948175 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285948356 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285948821 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285948827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL, BUT REALLY < 1285948912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:17:26 what's wrong with this picture (hint, 4 things): 00:16 < Oleg_> I have a question. What C++ code for unicode would correspond to ANSCII value 129? < 1285948922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"code for unicode", esp. supposing unicode is a charset < 1285948924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSCII < 1285948930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :129 is outside of ASCII < 1285948951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly "C++ code for [meant to be charset]" and thinking "unicode" is a charset is two things < 1285949000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An immensely annoying number of people think the ASCII is 8-bit. < 1285949010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:46:11 Philosophy? Formal study of bullshit. < 1285949014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my philosophy-studying friend can confirm this :) < 1285949023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lawl "the ASCII" :) < 1285949038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:19:55 things I want: candies that taste like vitamin C pills but do not give indigestion < 1285949038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS < 1285949040 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bullshit was a brown colour, and was sloppy. < 1285949047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multivitamins: stupid < 1285949047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deposits were found on my shoe. < 1285949049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their taste: AWESOME < 1285949300 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just chug citric acid. < 1285949303 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fun. < 1285949317 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1285949337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do not lol at "the ASCII". < 1285949371 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The American Standard Code for I[something] Interchange? < 1285949383 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha you said "The"! < 1285949401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was waiting for someone to notice that I say that, actually. < 1285949456 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, people on Internet tend to add or remove the word "the" indiscriminately. < 1285949459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurred to me one day and I haven't been able to stop since. < 1285949496 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that I shall now end up talking about the TCP and the UTF-8. < 1285949510 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME GO TOO FAR < 1285949523 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The transfer control "TCP" protocol. < 1285949527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME AM PLAY GOD WITH GRAMMATICAL CORRECTION. < 1285949541 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dern, /transmissions/ control. < 1285949542 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TCP protocol for transmission control. < 1285949556 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dern, /transmission/ control (where'd that plural come from :P ) < 1285949586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I get a Ph.D. and change my name to Iliad, I'll be Dr. I. Hird, or, backwards, Dr. I. Hird. < 1285949590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a new life goal. < 1285949626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You do realise that acronyms aren't really their expansions? < 1285949628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not change your last name to whatever ais' middle one is. < 1285949632 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285949632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why RAS syndrome is a stupid complaint/. < 1285949634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*complaint. < 1285949639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HURR HE SAID ATM MACHINE" < 1285949641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ian? < 1285949646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Ian is a crappy name! < 1285949651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Imhotep. I would become invisible. < 1285949652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIIRC he said it wasn't. < 1285949656 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iain? < 1285949660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Ian. < 1285949674 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scottish names are good atmaking the English mispronounce them. < 1285949677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at making < 1285949796 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285949817 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285949967 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285949972 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285949972 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285952431 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285952513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nobody likes the English. < 1285952585 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285952614 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285952739 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285952742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, perhaps the English do. < 1285952752 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The English LEAST of all. < 1285952754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's strongly debatable. < 1285952760 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody hates the English more than the English. < 1285952764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BNP? < 1285952819 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285952850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they hate a lot of the English as well... < 1285952913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same vein, HP Lovecraft was a dedicated Anglophile. < 1285953079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I know that astrology isn't a science," said Gail. "Of course it isn't. It's just an arbitrary set of rules like chess or tennis or, what's that strange thing you British play?" < 1285953079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Er, cricket? Self-loathing?" < 1285953082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Douglas Adams < 1285953181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Next line: ""Parliamentary democracy. The rules just kind of got there. They don't make any kind of sense except in terms of themselves. But when you start to exercise those rules, all sorts of processes start to happen and you start to find out all sorts of stuff about people. [...]") < 1285953184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/""/"/ < 1285953278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DID DOUGLAS ADAMS HAVE TO DIE < 1285953281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WAS SO RUDE < 1285953287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was. < 1285953315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And it left us with "...And Another Thing". < 1285953328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written by an IRISHMAN < 1285953333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A work of fanfiction so unsatisfactory as an entry in the H2G2 trilogy, it makes me want to write a better one. < 1285953335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the SAME < 1285953353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SELF-LOATHING just ISN'T THERE < 1285953373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, it is an excellent imitation of Douglas' style. But it's ... frozen, somehow, a stereotype rather than a homage. < 1285953389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And while it's a decent book, it's a bad H2G2 book. < 1285953395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rename the characters, republish, good book. < 1285953471 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285953917 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only reason my singing sounded bad was because it wasn't in-sync with the music underneath < 1285953924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think raw singing by itself should be ok < 1285954156 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_NO_ < 1285954192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tone was all wrong, the voice was annoying and the timing wasn't just desynced, it was completely wrong. < 1285954289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those things, in and of itself, shouldn't be grating < 1285954333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1285954351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are not just grating, they are *effing* grating. < 1285954374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *You* *cannot* *sing* < 1285954381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is as simple as that, my friend. < 1285954408 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when I'm bored at a bus stop, I should try to avoid vocalizing whatever song's floating through my head? < 1285954419 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot sing either. I realise this, and I avoid singing at all costs. < 1285954424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, YES. < 1285954469 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conservapedia.com/Obamageddon THIS WORKS EVEN BETTER WITH AN ATHEIST NON-RHOTIC ACCENT < 1285954482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : So when I'm bored at a bus stop, I should try to avoid vocalizing whatever song's floating through my head? ;; oh god yes < 1285954508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I at least hum? < 1285954515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1285954518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....? < 1285954544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to your thing again juts to make sure
< 1285954546 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAKE ANY FORM OF TUNE WITH YOUR LUNGS < 1285954553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just < 1285954558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION too
< 1285954572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/unknownsongs.wav ;; yeah don't hum dude :{ < 1285954575 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1285954576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O GOD I LEFT THE VOLUME TOO HIGH < 1285954581 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1285954582 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that's not humming < 1285954642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i need a link :{ < 1285954661 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/paint_it_black_karaoke.ogg < 1285954686 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually fairly desensitised to Sgeo's voice by now. < 1285954697 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually know someone with a more annoying one. < 1285954709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Postcode, weaknesses? < 1285954720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either of these things. < 1285954734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is their weakness GUNS? < 1285954737 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to infuriate him, though, so that's one attack strategy. < 1285955579 0 :hailtothethief!~oh@97-115-130-102.spkn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285955891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hailtothethief < 1285955899 0 :hailtothethief!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1285956060 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285956072 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285956105 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285956122 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285956728 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAKE ANY FORM OF TUNE WITH YOUR LUNGS // /me tries to figure out a way to make a tune with his lungs that isn't singing, beat-boxing or otherwise producing sound via the vocal chords, mouth, tongue, teeth and lips. < 1285956747 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285956838 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can just breathe in and out while using your chest as a percussive instrument. < 1285958214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Extract your lungs, stretch them, bang as percussive instrument. < 1285958220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need a lung transplant first. < 1285958223 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touche! < 1285959540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, incidentally, if you wanted to wipe out the area in which the guy with the voice more annoying than Sgeo's in it, don't bother < 1285959543 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not regional. < 1285959581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just going to wipe out him. < 1285959603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My description would be something along the lines of nasal and lisping, as well as so camp that when he walks into a room the average Kinsey rating rises by at least a point. < 1285959621 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... laaaaaaaaaaaaawl < 1285959654 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285959655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1285959667 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been saving that one for a while. < 1285959674 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you actually post a link to said guy's voice? < 1285959700 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are we just to take your word for it? < 1285959701 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285959715 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M THE ONLY GR NOW YAY < 1285959738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I don't exactly whip out a dictaphone when talking to people. < 1285959750 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you don't? < 1285959752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But I do whip out my dic--" "Excuse me, sir." < 1285959771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I whip out my dick and dictaphone when talking to people. < 1285959777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As they're the same instrument. < 1285959780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH JUST DESTROY THE SUBTLETY THANKS GREGOR < 1285959793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already got enough notoriety at my school for carefully spreading misinformation as to the reason for my departure from the previous one < 1285959795 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s what I do. < 1285959807 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Blew it up? < 1285959816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you said "instrument", I thought "dick solo", which just... yeah, this channel now officially has no class. < 1285959826 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implied that it was due to the < 1285959830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the -- < 1285959834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[and he was shot] < 1285959837 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhapsody in Pink for Penis and Vagina < 1285959842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nmmjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj < 1285959851 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That joke was almost too stupid to be said. < 1285959857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Organ In A Minor < 1285959859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in < 1285959866 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... X-D < 1285959893 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implied that it was due to assault with a spoon. < 1285959901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is sort of true. < 1285959926 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LaTeX have a BNF package that isn't made of suck? < 1285959998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Please, please elaborate on how it was sort of true. < 1285960012 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did assault someone with a spoon. < 1285960021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't get kicked out immediately for it. < 1285960036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why ... did you assault someone ... with a spoon ... < 1285960038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1285960051 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS ALL I SHALL SAY ON THE MATTER < 1285960065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1285960067 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that he may have required stitches. < 1285960297 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285960297 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285960317 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello everyone! < 1285960327 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My battery is apparently broken! < 1285960329 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaay! < 1285960370 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't broken an hour ago! < 1285960372 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaay! < 1285960450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORK < 1285960560 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about it? < 1285960633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forks. < 1285960728 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about them? < 1285960746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they eat < 1285960952 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285961131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was fun. Finally heard a piece on the classical station here that I was familiar with that *wasn't* a listener request. < 1285961143 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Because I have performed said piece. < 1285961230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for some reason, when the station's open to requests, everyone requests things that just about everyone has heard. Find me someone who hasn't heard "Dance of the Sugarplum Fairy" and I'll show you someone who was born deaf.) < 1285961398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dial in and request The Black Eyed Peas' "My Humps". < 1285961401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must. < 1285961434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I doubt they'd have it. It's a classical station. < 1285961441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I say, I say, that's a joke, son. < 1285961442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pinnacle of all music: canyon.mid. (That thing which came with win3.1 multimedia thingies, possibly 9x and later too.) < 1285961446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I *could* request 4'33". < 1285961466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Request 59"59', the little-known sequel to 4'33". < 1285961476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*59'59" < 1285961486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1285961643 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: IIRC, canyon.mid was actually pretty darn awesome :P < 1285961669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIW4F285QjA < 1285961684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anecdote you just reminded me of: < 1285961688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLAY IT ON AN MT-32 < 1285961701 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend of mine and I like to play "guess-that-composer" when there's something we don't recognize playing. < 1285961706 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we both suck at it, so instead we choose letters. < 1285961711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1285961715 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One person gets to choose 'B', and the other person chooses two other letters. < 1285961726 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If either letter is the first letter of the last name of the composer, that person wins. < 1285961733 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not the anecdote :P < 1285961763 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anecdote is that we were playing that game when something we couldn't identify came on. It was clearly Beethoven, but it obviously wasn't because we would have recognized it. < 1285961781 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we were debating who would have written in such a distinctively-German early Romantic style other than Beethoven. < 1285961805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : One person gets to choose 'B', and the other person chooses two other letters. <-- why B specifically? < 1285961821 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, he took 'B', and I took 'R' and 'S'. For Ravel, which has been known to do some very weird stuff, Sibelius and Saint-Sans. < 1285961830 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because every famous composer is named with a 'B' < 1285961841 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joked "I guess I've got Rimsky-Korsakov too!" < 1285961857 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it was such an absurd notion that something so distinctively early-Romantic German would be Rimsky-Korsakov. < 1285961874 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suffice it to say: Listen to Rimsky-Korsakov's third symphony some time. It is an interesting experience. I won that game :P < 1285961876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Because every famous composer is named with a 'B' ;; Bmozart < 1285961881 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Like Bozart and Bivaldi? < 1285961890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol bozart < 1285961894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, argh you beat me to it < 1285961904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how Bmozart is pronounced < 1285961917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "bm" is like the pn pneumatic, except with b instead of p and m instead of n. < 1285961919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, heh < 1285961921 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Bizet, Borodin, Balakirev, ... < 1285961927 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bibelius, the more bookish cousin of Sibelius. < 1285961935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Bage < 1285961946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor Bichards < 1285961949 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people have absolutely no understanding of hyperbole. < 1285961953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor Bitchards < 1285961958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I do, I'm just being silly. < 1285961959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Bayden, Bändel, Bebussy... < 1285961966 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you are completely right! < 1285961969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bimsky-Korsakov < 1285961999 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brahman < 1285962041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, don't forget Erik Batie. < 1285962071 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that the only composers the average person will name is: Bach, Beethoven, Mozart. < 1285962087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And George Bone, composer of canyon.mid. (Okay, okay, Stone.) < 1285962091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're *lucky*, throw Tchaikovsky in there, too. < 1285962107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Maybe Vivaldi or Brahms. Not both though < 1285962108 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Brahms can make it sometimes. < 1285962125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gregor: Pieces, maybe. Composer, hahahah no. < 1285962135 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brahm's Lullaby" < 1285962139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, indeed < 1285962197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not going to hear Brahms *named*. < 1285962201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erik Satie is wonderful. < 1285962212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Batie* < 1285962222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brik Batie < 1285962230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *Bchaikovsky < 1285962240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronunciation left as an exercise to the reader. < 1285962252 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SmallReferencePools says Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, and then quite a list of individual works. < 1285962267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, if it comes to listening tests, people will probably recognize stuff by completely different composers than those. < 1285962267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's about right. < 1285962285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, I'm just mentioning composers with name recognition. < 1285962297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Pieces, of course, you'll have things all over the place. < 1285962336 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :canyon.mid? < 1285962349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have done a few tests myself, and Grieg's "I bergakungens sal" (iirc "In the hall of the mountain king" in English) is quite widely recognized, though no one seems to know it's name < 1285962355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trip_Through_the_Grand_Canyon < 1285962385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tchaikovsky getting a lot of recognition -- pretty sure Swan Lake, Nutcracker, and 1812 Overture will be instantly recognised (if at the right parts). < 1285962436 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm the right parts of Carmen even more so. Hardly anyone knows who Bizet was though. < 1285962447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true. < 1285962461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, anything that was in Looney Tunes. < 1285962467 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy who composed what is now the Nokia tone? < 1285962477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but for actual works I think Vivaldi's Spring (first movement) comes very near the top < 1285962491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, undoubtedly. < 1285962492 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, most people can even identify it as "Spring" in my experience. < 1285962508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was in Looney Tunes, IIRC. < 1285962508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyone who has ever played Loom has Swan Lake branded onto their heads. < 1285962509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, unlike with "In the hall of the mountain king", which no one has a clue what it is named < 1285962523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Doesn't the mountain-kingity also exist as an example multimedia file in some Windows versions? < 1285962531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have no idea < 1285962551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if "In the Court of the Crimson King" is a reference to that. < 1285962579 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Methylated spirits are just alcohol made more deadly. < 1285962586 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This depresses me somewhat. < 1285962587 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it isn't exactly an un-obvious name. < 1285962611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, but... King Crimson *did* basically take rock, strip away the blues, and put in a whole lot of classical into it. < 1285962612 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285962616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1285962623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285962626 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loom? < 1285962635 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, googling indicates it's a video game < 1285962638 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR POP-CULTURAL REFERENCES BAFFLE ME < 1285962639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: a wonderful lucas arts adventure game < 1285962645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, it did the same to me < 1285962648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music is all lovely midi renditions of Swan Lake < 1285962650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(baffle that is) < 1285962650 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know when Kerim Aydin invented BF Joust? I suspect it was January 2009 < 1285962656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the gameplay is music-based < 1285962656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://help.lockergnome.com/windows2/Windows-95-Sample-Media-Files--ftopict482130.html -- second post lists the win95 files, and it indeed is there, and also the Bach/Beethoven/Mozart trinity. < 1285962670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you "weave" spells by playing little snippets of music) < 1285962678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in part < 1285962686 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, .rmi? < 1285962716 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, check the wiki article's history? < 1285962729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: it predates the wiki < 1285962731 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285962733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I can grep my Agora emails. < 1285962735 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: RIFF-encapsulated MIDI. < 1285962739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Also, he goes by "G.". < 1285962748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, um... riff? < 1285962752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“An unfortunate truth is that for the vast majority of people, the only music that matters is the music that was recorded from about five years after they were born until today. Everything else is to be considered "boring old farts' music" and not worth exploring.” < 1285962757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This... Is depressing. < 1285962789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I listen to oldish music :< < 1285962790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even like most of the musical genres popular during my lifetime! < 1285962791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285962796 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1285962803 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What .wavs and .avis are; a generic tagged-block metaformat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Interchange_File_Format < 1285962803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you alone do not make up the majority of people :P < 1285962808 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show userinterps < 1285962810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1285962812 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1285962812 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust < 1285962831 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1285962831 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1285962845 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate Hello, world! < 1285962853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1285962860 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avast, world! We'll keel-haul ye! < 1285962864 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show userinterps < 1285962864 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1285962866 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1285962884 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate Was "Hello, world!" special-cased? < 1285962884 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was "Avast, world! Shiver me timbers!" special-cased? < 1285962894 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate It appears so. < 1285962894 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears so. < 1285962908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf that is pathetic < 1285962911 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate who does nothing. (A tvtrope name.) < 1285962912 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does nothing. And swab the deck! (A tvtrope name. Pass the grog!) < 1285962913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: "braincorefckwars", 2008-12-18. "BF Joust" first mentioned same day. Submissions solicited and announcement of working tournament runner, 2008-12-19. < 1285962921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: All posts by G. . < 1285962927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How does one end a sentence with "G."?) < 1285962955 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: thanks :-) < 1285962972 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I just ended up going on an almost circuitous path through TV Tropes! < 1285962997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: First draft of Agoran contest posted 2008-12-20, contest begins officially a few days later. < 1285963099 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks alise. Just adding something brief to the programming games wiki. < 1285963716 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285963857 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1285963882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Help! I'm running into a cyclic goal error! < 1285963888 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285963895 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1285963910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is me joining the channel that devastating? < 1285963920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just a case of context slipping away due to extenuating factors? < 1285963968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Both! < 1285963971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually just the latter. < 1285964342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, cyclic goal error with what? < 1285964365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaden. < 1285965097 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285965163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, I can't figure out a language to write it in, which leads to me mentally constructing a brand new one, and then when I think "ok, I should write this down", I want leaden. < 1285965285 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"leaden", is that a language I've heard about? < 1285965323 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285965337 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285965495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: nope < 1285965500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an editor you've heard about, i think < 1285965523 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right, I probably have < 1285965527 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recognize the name at least < 1285965695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how do you plan to avoid disk trashing situations with the orthogonal persistence in aliseos? < 1285965723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cleverly < 1285965733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, interesting, do you have anything specific in mind? < 1285965740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason Mitosis exists is so that i can get this stuff wrong so many times i must inevitably hit upon the right solution eventually :) < 1285965759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, we'll all be using SSDs at least by the time it's ready. < 1285965772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if their lifespan increases, which it should... < 1285965786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, heh < 1285965795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: plus only persisting every N time, of course < 1285965796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it wasn't that that I had in mind < 1285965800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every 100ms, say < 1285965803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, rather, something similar to swap trashing < 1285965819 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, even SSDs are not as fast as main memory < 1285965821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the relevance to the persistence system? < 1285965843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean taking an awful lot of time just to persist? < 1285965853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly < 1285965858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me explain < 1285965913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you will persist application state? And you have one big virtual address. The application is not aware of the ram/disk distinction < 1285965931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything will be persisted. More or less. I'm not even entirely sure that temporary variables won't be. < 1285965933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so it can't know how large the "ram" is < 1285965945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's a magical third address space that both RAM and disk map to. < 1285965957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so it can't try to make a ram/speed tradeoff. Some programs do that even today < 1285965959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAM with paging, disk with a tree structure. < 1285965981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, well, some. The idea of course is that the OS is sufficiently intelligent to prioritise the right bits of data. < 1285966024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But... I don't see why you can't get at the amount of physical RAM in the system. < 1285966033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With swapping, even modern systems make this fuzzy. < 1285966034 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well... yeah, but that doesn't help making a good memory/speed tradeoff really. If you select different algorithms or different algorithm parameters based on how much ram there is. Since you can't do that any longer. < 1285966040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah okay < 1285966047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In general, a running application won't be on disk, anyway. < 1285966053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, right < 1285966060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because that's pretty much the worst-case scenario. < 1285966067 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is < 1285966082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed almost by definition it won't be; if you're accessing it and competition isn't harsh, it's going to be in RAM for a while. < 1285966112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1285966155 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Work in progress -> http://programminggames.org < 1285966162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway there are even applications that try to adapt to cpu cache size. I know I seen that somewhere recently, but I don't remember where. < 1285966177 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it was pretty relevant there too < 1285966179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to live in the Republic of Cascadia. < 1285966187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh? < 1285966191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement) < 1285966207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: British Columbia + Oregon + Washington + sometimes northern California. < 1285966210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285966218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The United States of Sanity < 1285966248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the name "Cascadia"? < 1285966266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm a bit impaired in browser using atm, due to being extremely close to swap trashing) < 1285966282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Not sure. < 1285966370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Seems it's the name given to the general area by history. < 1285966378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe not. < 1285966379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, whatever. < 1285966409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: ASP.NET, interesting platform choice ... < 1285966409 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1285966444 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's just what comes with my webhost :-) < 1285966487 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed a wiki that uses a flat file (SQL costs extra) and they had a one click install for Screwturn. < 1285966528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a shitty webhost < 1285966553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: That's incredibly shitty. < 1285966573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Xen based VPS isn't that expensive. (OpenVZ-based VPSes tends to suck, I don't know whyl) < 1285966576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why* < 1285966583 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the cheapest I could find with unlimited sites / bandwidth < 1285966604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad criteria. < 1285966613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: unlimited bandwidth is a marketing lie < 1285966614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, you don't need unlimited bw. As for sites? Again VPS wouldn't limit you in that < 1285966617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, literally, never true < 1285966621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed < 1285966629 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285966632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Unless you've got a peering relationship. < 1285966633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: otoh, i wouldn't recommend a vps to someone unfamiliar with unix administration. < 1285966641 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm good point < 1285966645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are better hosts even then. < 1285966647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case you have an astounding server room. :) < 1285966653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I tend to go for pay for bw rate, rather than transfer per month < 1285966678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least when I can't predict how much it will use per month < 1285966681 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285966690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An easy to understand price schedule: $4/month per account, and $1/month for every 64MiB ram. Please note; this means all plans come with $4/month worth of support." --prgmr.com < 1285966696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather slow site than one stopping working after 20 days < 1285966701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So customer-friendly! < 1285966716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the nice thing with a lot of VPS hosters is that they have no hard bandwidth limits. < 1285966731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead just slapping you hard when you get slashdotted twice in a month :) < 1285966735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed. Strangely enough dedi and colo tends to have more stringent limits < 1285966823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fuck g++, it is so slow (sure point to clang, but only post 2.7, and this project isn't large enough that building last llvm and clang trunk and then using that would be faster, those are C++ themselves so...) < 1285966845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: C++ is pretty inherently slow. < 1285966847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang++ 2.7 compiles quite a bit :p < 1285966861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you realise how *much* you have to parse per file that uses the STL? < 1285966863 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that too < 1285966873 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes I checked < 1285966881 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tends of MB iirc < 1285966883 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tens* < 1285966962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how fun, after compiling with -O0 -g it no longer segfaults.... And with -O1 -g it is pretty useless, just lots of value optimized out < 1285967239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah gcc's optimisation is pretty buggy < 1285967242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general < 1285967262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hard to know who is to blame here < 1285967297 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, this program is one I expect to have problems with anything but 32-bit x86 linux in general. It has a history of that < 1285967312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, not the most stable one < 1285967375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, if -O1 ever breaks and -O0 doesn't... it should only happen on *really* fucked up code < 1285967408 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, could very well be in this case. Half the comments and function names are in German though, so a bit hard to know what is going on in general < 1285967441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also extremely helpful parameter names: < 1285967443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x000000000061c5ba in display_fb_internal (xp=, yp=, w=, h=1, color=, < 1285967443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dirty=, cL=0, cR=704, cT=0, cB=560) < 1285967468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably wouldn't change that tbh < 1285967474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xp/yp are obviously coordinate-related < 1285967477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1285967480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w and h are common names for width and height < 1285967483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the local variable lp though? < 1285967490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dirty is probably some flag or something < 1285967491 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashes on something involving that < 1285967493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: err < 1285967495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0x000000000061c5ba in display_fb_internal (xp=, yp=, w=, h=1, color=, < 1285967495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dirty=, cL=0, cR=704, cT=0, cB=560) < 1285967497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is all i saw < 1285967510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes indeed, but there is a local variable in addition < 1285967513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285967521 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and it is optimised out < 1285967569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see if this recompile helps (turned of -DNDEBUG which was hidden deep in a makefile) < 1285967579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might help catch something in advance of the issue < 1285967598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh, now it segfaults there with -O0 too! < 1285967609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that probably means there's actually a bug < 1285967614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, "$1 = " < 1285967616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1285967620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at -O0 < 1285967630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes looking at the makefile machinery
< 1285967636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen all sorts of craziness in debug output < 1285967642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb seems to struggle when there's a lot of data on the stack < 1285967672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Bah, {{deletedpage}} is a perfectly good salt, it saved you work :P < 1285967689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's not salting unless the page is actually protected < 1285967692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just bluffing < 1285967697 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makefile has basically this: "if DEBUG < 2 && !NDEBUG, add -O1" < 1285967700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be buggy < 1285967735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what are you talking about? < 1285967742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the wiki < 1285967752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: true, I was just thinking that it'd either be protected or deleted very soon, so it either helps someone know it should be deleted or saves them a post-protection step < 1285967754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but what specifically are you referring to on it < 1285967763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: see recent changes. < 1285967766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: note that spambots won't even /read/ a message saying that a page can't be edited... < 1285967777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I see what you mean, you're saving me having to write {{deletedpage}} myself < 1285967787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I care more about instantaneous correctness of admin templates than you do < 1285967815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what did the deleted page contain? < 1285967817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's you we're talking about, admin actions are as instantaneous as it gets < 1285967818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: spam. < 1285967822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1285967836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm not always online < 1285967845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe we need {{deletedpage}} to only show if the page is protected, somehow :) < 1285967867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you could just put it on every page < 1285967890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, deletedpage is doubly deprecated nowadays on Wikipedia, which has moved on many versions since < 1285967898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in recent MediaWiki, you can just protect a page even if it doesn't exist < 1285967924 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ofc, deletedpage is doubly deprecated nowadays on Wikipedia, which has moved on many versions since <-- doubly? < 1285967945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cascading protection works better than {{deletedpage}}, but less well than doing it properly < 1285967945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm are we running outdated mediawiki? < 1285967951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1285967959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285967961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were running /really/ outdated mediawiki before last time graue was persuaded to upgrade < 1285967968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think he only did it for compatibility with a better spam filter < 1285967973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285967977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're running march 2007 mediawiki, i think < 1285967978 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about bugs? < 1285967981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the main page is out of date < 1285967989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there aren't any serious bugs as far as we can tell < 1285967990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works... < 1285967991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Version < 1285967993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAARGH < 1285968005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still doesn't crash with -O0 now when I fixed the makefile bug < 1285968015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" is such an awesome name. < 1285968032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet he drove the implementation of Unicode support :P < 1285968051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You want me to call myself Aevar Arnfjoerth Bjarmason?! BAH" < 1285968069 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285968070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't all the special characters there in Latin-1? < 1285968100 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285968112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you sure eth is? < 1285968125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only one I'm not sure about < 1285968141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it isn't. < 1285968149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode U+00D0 U+00F0 Inherited from the older ISO 8859-1 standard < 1285968154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+00F0 < 1285968155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just in range < 1285968161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it isn't in latin-1 < 1285968164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict < 1285968166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1285968170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin 1 = ISO 8859-1 < 1285968178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :P < 1285968191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never realised < 1285968193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ISO/IEC 8859-1:1998, Information technology — 8-bit single-byte coded graphic character sets — Part 1: Latin alphabet No. 1, is part of the ISO/IEC 8859 series of ASCII-based standard character encodings, first edition published in 1987. It is informally referred to as Latin-1." < 1285968200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you not realise that? < 1285968214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you assume there were two common 8-bit encodings around that were almost identical? < 1285968221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one did you assume matched the bottom 0xFF of Unicode? < 1285968288 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285968332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose there's Windows-1252, but everyone vaguely knows that one's nonstandard because Microsoft invented it) < 1285968391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, according to Wikipedia, HTML 5 requires documents that claim to be Latin-1 to be parsed as Windows-1252 < 1285968400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's taking bug-compatibility seriously... < 1285968769 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285968776 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-201-93.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1285968794 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285968901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like half of the html5 spec is an anal pseudocode specification of how to parse and handle anything that has a single < in it, or even doesn't < 1285968910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: reverse-engineered from IE < 1285968925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in fact HTML5 also specifies... every byte string :) < 1285968944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HTML5 specifies, essentially, how to handle retarded HTML. < 1285969004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one hand, I feel we should just ban retarded HTML. On the other, I'm at least glad that they're actually *specifying* it rather than leaving browser makers to try and reverse engineer the bullshit. < 1285969018 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285969081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things i am learning today: i am terrible at finding bugs in other people's code < 1285969093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On the one hand, I feel we should just ban retarded HTML." ;; XHTML tried that, it didn't work :) < 1285969257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems someone reimplemented INTERCAL for Windows Phone 7 < 1285969266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is scary, why can't i figure this out < 1285969269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah; sadly, people are retards. < 1285969278 0 :Slereah!~nigger@ANantes-259-1-108-166.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285969292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only distributed a binary, but it's .NET so presumably decompilable < 1285969340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some definition of decompilable < 1285969362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1285969377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, it was released on Twitter < 1285969396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/UberGeekGames/status/22546729564 < 1285969418 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285969436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what this says about the future of humanity... < 1285969464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE DOOMED! DOOMED! < 1285969491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a merge sort, surely I can find a bug in a merge sort... < 1285969495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely wonders why it's asking perms to do things like dial phone numbers and check for locations
< 1285969534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's probably a spam virus < 1285969539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the binary's only 24K < 1285969543 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1285969546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either .NET is very concise, or it's a hoax < 1285969562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame it being java and sorting in-place < 1285969576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/UberGeekGames < 1285969579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not look like spam to me at all < 1285969587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may simply be crap < 1285969598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: .xap is a zip < 1285969601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I know < 1285969604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I unzipped it < 1285969619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .dll is the only thing there that looks plausible to contain the code < 1285969640 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on esolang wiki experience, if ais523 isn't sure what something is, it is probably clearly spam >:) < 1285969649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm installing a .NET disassembler atm < 1285969767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i find that most of the slightly doubtful cases of esolang wiki spam are easily resolved by googling part of the text. there is usually enough similar spam to make it obvious. < 1285969783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: remind me never to go into a software maintenance job < 1285969804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :namespace INTERCAL { interface private auto ansi abstract IIntercalStatement { public virtual hidebysig newslot abstract instance default void Do (class INTERCAL.IntercalProgram program) cil managed; }} < 1285969805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm helping a friend-of-a-friend with their mergesort homework and stunningly cannot find the error < 1285969814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that certainly looks enterprisey < 1285969833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I suspect the disassembler's put in the defaults for every possible keyword .NET supports < 1285969871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to find the actual /code/... < 1285969932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285969932 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : namespace INTERCAL { interface private auto ansi abstract IIntercalStatement { public virtual hidebysig newslot abstract instance default void Do (class INTERCAL.IntercalProgram program) cil managed; }} <-- wat < 1285969943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is doing .NET with intercal? < 1285969953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it's "genuine" but implements only a subset < 1285969966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise, array dimension, assign literal, text output, end program < 1285969973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll run a hello world correctly, but nothing more complicated < 1285969982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://twitter.com/UberGeekGames/status/22546729564 < 1285969995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285970037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285970050 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where is the code? < 1285970057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't, I disassembled the binary < 1285970062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so closed source? < 1285970069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1285970075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the fuck would make a closed source intercal implementation < 1285970083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was possibly by mistake < 1285970084 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so.... pointless < 1285970097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Windows dev, after all, people are used to releasing binaries rather than source there < 1285970117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, perhaps they didn't want people to figure out that it wasn't a full impl < 1285970145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also can't find anything that resembles a parser there, but the disassembler did segfault... < 1285970180 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285970210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying it is an early version would be enough? < 1285970273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most early versions haven't had all the commands implemented < 1285970290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see how you can get away with calling it INTERCAL with such a small subset < 1285970300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps he was counting on his audience not being able to test anything but hello-worlds < 1285970321 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285970442 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1285970477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm helping a friend-of-a-friend with their mergesort homework and stunningly cannot find the error <-- is it buggy though? < 1285970516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1285970529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also java and mutates in-place, so my brain has segfaulted from the start < 1285970530 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, in what way? out of bounds access? mis-sort? < 1285970533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285970534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mis-sort < 1285970537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285970541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to sort things properly but then mysteriously merges them wrong < 1285970553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, could be off by one error maybe? Or mixing up something like < and =< < 1285970567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so, but the indexing is a bit screwy < 1285970569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : C:\Users\Ian\documents\visual studio 2010\Projects\INTERCAL\INTERCAL\INTERCAL\obj\Windows Phone\Release\INTERCAL.pdb < 1285970578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always fun when that happens < 1285970582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it uses Float.MAX_VALUE to indicate end of array in some way which is just confusing < 1285970591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, when what happens? < 1285970596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: strings is a crazy program :) < 1285970598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnier is gprolog, which lets you get the list of all strings used in the program via reflection < 1285970608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it contains the path that was used to compile it, too < 1285970639 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285970647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings proves it's not a full implementation, pretty much < 1285970647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I always thought strings extracted, like, actual strings using the actual executable format. < 1285970648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm in erlang you can call :module_info/1, it tends to contain path of source file for the standard distribution. < 1285970656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HOW WRONG I WAS < 1285970665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is iirc some rather screwy nfs-looking path < 1285970671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lists IntercalStatement_{AssignVariable,AssignArray,DefineArray,ReadOut,GiveUp} < 1285970686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either Ian changed his naming scheme halfway through the program, or only implemented five commands < 1285970698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: strangely, I guessed/knew what it did right from the start < 1285970704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway, for any language that does array indexing in a way similar to C, and the function is operating on arrays: suspect off by one errors < 1285970721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe he just IntercalStatement_GaveUp < 1285970724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that off by one errors is by far the most common bug in C code that I written < 1285970728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now oerjan is after me! < 1285970733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs for the border
< 1285970741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah but sh'e < 1285970745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*she's tweaked the indices tons < 1285970748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to no effect < 1285970757 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, there aren't any borders to run to. < 1285970759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off by one errors are awful, though :) < 1285970765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'M ESCAPING TO #UBUNTU < 1285970772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't find anybody in THAT haystack! < 1285970774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah especially when you have multiple ones < 1285970788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, then tweaking may give "seemingly" inconsistent results < 1285970793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1285970796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lifts the border so alise trips over it
< 1285970799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm... single step the code in the merging step? < 1285970803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, if java has such < 1285970805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate debugging :( < 1285970812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it probably does, but i'm way too lazy to go in-depth like that < 1285970823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, gdb is actually pretty good. No clue what you use for java though < 1285970831 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like debugging more than writing code in the first place :/ < 1285970833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've just recommended she translate some pseudocode to java and forget the old version ever existed < 1285970839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that is bad bad bad. < 1285970861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Unless it is a segfault, or not related to arrays, I tend to debug with valgrind first for C code, and only then with gdb < 1285970868 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends to help < 1285970895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When using or writing a GC, valgrind is hyper-useless. < 1285970896 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, it'll give him a head start in the soulless maintenance drudge that is professional coding. < 1285970899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas gdb is just useless. < 1285970905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HOORAY < 1285970919 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *someone* has to do it. < 1285970920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: also: HA your opinions have completely transformed into mine < 1285970922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assimilation successful < 1285970932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I knew that ages ago... < 1285970951 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I've always liked being in a niche < 1285970957 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should be a researcher of some sort < 1285970970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE ARE THE HIRD. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. < 1285970985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : When using or writing a GC, valgrind is hyper-useless. <-- yes < 1285970992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you like fixing more than creating... research probably isn't for you. < 1285971003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well not exactly < 1285971008 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, researching awful code < 1285971010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it can still find "use of undefined value" < 1285971017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, just not any memory leaks < 1285971022 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see a fruitful career in psychology for you. < 1285971059 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : WE ARE THE HIRD. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. <-- err? Is this a pun on "ehird"? < 1285971086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Subject A's code clearly shows psychopathic tendencies, as demonstrated by his use of GNU brace style and his UI's persistent admonitions for users to 'end their worthless lives'." < 1285971109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285971119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Apparently HTML5 does not actually say that ISO-8859-1 == Windows-1252 for the purposes of HTML5. < 1285971120 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that could be dangerous to the researcher < 1285971130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that sounds like a slightly customized version of Emacs < 1285971134 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tends to use GNU brace style :/
< 1285971139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1285971142 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1285971152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought GNU brace style was the only brace style with no advocates at al < 1285971154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all < 1285971159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um, what about RMS? < 1285971161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of acquired that style from the LSL Hello World < 1285971161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It instead says that clients should treat ISO-8859-1 as Windows-1252 for compatibility, but that any change of semantics resulting from this interpretation is a parse error. < 1285971163 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1285971163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Experiment log 1/10/10: Received code sample from Subject B. < 1285971171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, he presumably advocates it? < 1285971180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he advocates free software, not brace styles < 1285971181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempted to run; blacked out. < 1285971192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I tend to use a style similar to the linux kernel brace style < 1285971203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, I don't < 1285971210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phew* < 1285971211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread the code sample on Wikipedia < 1285971224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upon recovery, blood was smeared upon the desk in vaguely familiar patterns. < 1285971226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so HTML5 is merely resorting to defined behavior where, say, C, would allow the compiler to launch ze missiles. < 1285971233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blood tests confirmed blood as own. < 1285971241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : WE ARE THE HIRD. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. <-- err? Is this a pun on "ehird"? ;; ITT: Borg < 1285971256 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allman style < 1285971256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Subject A's code clearly shows psychopathic tendencies, as demonstrated by his use of GNU brace style and his UI's persistent admonitions for users to 'end their worthless lives'." < 1285971259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Primarily the brace style." < 1285971259 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a combination of those obviously :P < 1285971266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the borg pun was obvious < 1285971270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: that sounds like a slightly customized version of Emacs ;; encourage-user-suicide-mode < 1285971270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hird one, not so much < 1285971273 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Experiment log 2/10/10: tried analysing code in debugger. < 1285971307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacked out again. Core file left in working directory. Will investigate later. < 1285971341 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking through core — MY GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE < 1285971346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUN YOU FOOLS RUN < 1285971357 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, THAT RHYMED. < 1285971365 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my days are timed. < 1285971366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this is starting to look like a parody of that wiki pretending to be a secret govt thingy. Forgot the name of it < 1285971374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SCP Foundation? < 1285971381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes that < 1285971393 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the general style I was aiming at. < 1285971394 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 the SCP Foundation < 1285971396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah < 1285971399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, we know < 1285971423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contents of core file 011010.core: [DATA EXPUNGED] < 1285971472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Image of blood patterns created after execution: [IMAGE EXPUNGED] < 1285971493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285971563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ran mival.exe. Saw structures of great #####, with crawling, demonic #######s whose noises deafened me. I became as if it. [Note: This file was found on Dr. A. Britki's computer after incident 4093-1A9.] < 1285971568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As if it! < 1285971579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm trying to do binary search on -O0 plus a handful of flags < 1285971583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find out what is failing < 1285971591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now time to test -O0 -fmerge-constants < 1285971595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way that should fail < 1285971615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does, this is a sad day for computing < 1285971666 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempted to compile ravana.c. Compiler failed with error ####. Reran with flag -####. My god, it's full of ####. < 1285971678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, :P < 1285971681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC actually has a -### flag < 1285971685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1285971694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure where that naming comes from < 1285971694 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285971698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah, but does it have a -#### flag < 1285971703 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1285971705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1285971709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it failed with -O0 -fmerge-constants -fdce -fdse, it works with -O0 < 1285971711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it's the Forbidden Flag. < 1285971712 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um < 1285971747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the reasons that no compilers are fully C99 compliant. < 1285971752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Challenge: Watch every single Sesame Street episode ever. Note: This is almost 29 years worth of video, without breaks or sleep. < 1285971764 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1285971766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1285971767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't. < 1285971770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 hours != 1 hour! < 1285971775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually just almost half a year. < 1285971779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is still pretty damn impressive. < 1285971796 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, try to watch sazae-san < 1285971815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1285971819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: i think i'll pass :D < 1285971822 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got at least one episode per week, since 1970 i think < 1285971825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about watching them all simultaneously < 1285971830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :episodes: 6345+ < 1285971833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are any of the optimisations there unsafe? < 1285971834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emphasis on the +... < 1285971841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fmerge-constants is safe in theory, but often abused in practice < 1285971849 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 60 hours != 1 hour! <-- breaking news: Scientists recently discovered that 60 hours was not the same as one hour, as previously thought. This has thus discredited the theory of the 61 hour cyclic modulo universe. < 1285971862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I read a comment on reddit saying that the "Play All" option on an Aqua Teen Hunger Force DVD literally divided the screen into the number of episodes and played them all simultaneously./ < 1285971867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$// < 1285971874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's hilarious < 1285971880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, presumably it would only be 4 or so < 1285971881 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't know < 1285971941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and dce and dse should both be same, dead code and dead subexpression iirc (don't have man page up atm) < 1285971945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The -#### flag is to C compilers as the Bôites Diabolique is to synthesisers, really. < 1285971957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "Bôites Diabolique"? < 1285971965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1285971971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it segfauls < 1285971974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfaults* < 1285971985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The forbidden notes. < 1285971989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION remove -fmerge-constant just to ensure nothing else changed so that sill doesn't work
< 1285971993 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you're a pianist. Explain to Vorpal < 1285972005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh those < 1285972010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, two Look Around You references in a day. That has to be, like, a record. < 1285972011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, saw some joke about them once < 1285972021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on youtube iirc < 1285972025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey now little mouse / ... < 1285972028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THREE! < 1285972033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two from the same episode at that. < 1285972041 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Boîte Diabolique < 1285972048 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody French. < 1285972056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was the first reference? < 1285972064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a lot of fun. You should learn to play it on the pan flute. < 1285972067 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Good enough? < 1285972081 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you could always research the applications of the Besselheim Plate to debugging. < 1285972085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5cWWV0KNDg#t=5m42s < 1285972090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Probably this. < 1285972091 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285972094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5:42 timestamp is relevant. < 1285972098 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ohwait, I thought you were referring to a different Diabolique ... < 1285972105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5cWWV0KNDg#t=5m42s < 1285972107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you forgot youtube-dl < 1285972113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Which is why I mentioned the timestamp. < 1285972117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1285972132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it's the locked box at the upper end of a piano containing the 19 forbidden notes. < 1285972147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it 19? < 1285972153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look like that many to me. < 1285972176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to Little Mouse
< 1285972188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the Boîte Diabolique defies your uneducated counting. < 1285972205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You obviously haven't studied Look Around You — Maths in enough detail. < 1285972221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey now little mouse! / I hope we understand one another. < 1285972224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly inspirational lyrics. < 1285972234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is still trying to work out how to get one of his science teachers to play Look Around You in a lesson.
< 1285972245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then see how long it takes them to figure it out. < 1285972250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A few friends of mine have had it played to them without even asking. < 1285972257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that was by cool teachers. < 1285972263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently most students Did Not Get The Joke. < 1285972276 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shh! < 1285972279 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm plotting! < 1285972326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'Cause I like you my friend, I respect you my friend, I'll encourage you my friend, through and throoouuugh..." < 1285972366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hird is vaguely similar to borg in syllable structure. also it's an archaic military collective noun in norwegian. < 1285972388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what's your opinion on lab pistol regulation? < 1285972395 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also part of the recursive expansion of Hurd. < 1285972411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm < 1285972430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Bokmål and Nynorsk; discuss. < 1285972431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it carries certain dangers, but is necessary for safe disposal of equipment and sulphagne test subjects. < 1285972471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *really* need to get some embossing tape and go nuts with it. < 1285972550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has had a sudden epileptic fit. < 1285972597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *59 hour < 1285972649 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1285972652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: BAH < 1285972655 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it segfaults at -O0 too < 1285972656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1285972687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it segfaults at -O0 but not -O0 -g < 1285972689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's insane < 1285972691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1285972710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try messing about with -fomit-frame-pointer < 1285972716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as debug info can alter that sometimes < 1285972735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but neither -O0 nor -O0 -g has that on? < 1285972752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1285972762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be being turned on elsewhere in the makefile < 1285972768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you implied that the makefile was insane < 1285972774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285972782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I checked it for such insaneness in this case < 1285972810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also hm, I really need some optimisation since this program really benefits from it < 1285972828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait hm, the stuff affecting -g would affect -DNDEBUG < 1285972832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even while debugging? < 1285972835 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe < 1285972842 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well no, but for it to be usable! < 1285972846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: check for side-effects in asserts < 1285972850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so easy to do that by mistake < 1285972854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's vaguely similar to "herd" (maybe cognates?) < 1285972855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it a couple of weeks ago, but noticed < 1285972858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed, but half the stuff is written in German < 1285972863 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is fairly large < 1285972877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: kva med nynorsk? < 1285972928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought Bokmål/Nynorsk was a pretty heated topic in Norway and I wanted the lowdown from someone at least vaguely sane. < 1285972942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless that was a joke and was in Nynorsk or something, which is likely. < 1285972942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, while it compiles at -O0 I can listen to about 2 wesnoth songs, giving it about 7 minutes per compile < 1285972945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sigh < 1285972948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's not a heated topic among the vaguely sane, i should think < 1285972964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the vaguely sane's obvious-answer? < 1285972968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like your measurement of duration < 1285972969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it wasn't much of a joke < 1285972996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Just be happy he doesn't measure in symphonies. < 1285972997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually writing a Wesnoth campaign for fun atm < 1285973017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It took about 3 milisymphonies." < 1285973026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*millisymphonies < 1285973100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are a number of people who want to remove the obligatory teaching of the alternative language (mostly nynorsk) in school, and think it's sort of useless at least as a school subject < 1285973140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the languages different enough that children need to be taught them both to understand them both? < 1285973181 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285973183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As far as I'm aware: not really. < 1285973186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. well some word choices can be different. but in norway you have to learn to understand different dialects anyhow. < 1285973205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so bokmal is what everyone uses? < 1285973210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would ask whether they're more or less similar than English and Scottish, but you probably don't know Scottish < 1285973212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(excuse my not using the correct letter) < 1285973220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Bokmål & Nynorsk are essentially two different percieved normative standards of Scandinavian. :) < 1285973224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Scottish is just a dialect of English, unless you mean Scots... < 1285973225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh the really weird word choices are gradually dying out, i think. < 1285973237 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Firefox < 1285973242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: not everyone, but 90% or so. < 1285973245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the language "Auld Lang Syne" is written in < 1285973253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: scots < 1285973254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's Scots. < 1285973256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1285973260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I click a tab, I do NOT mean to close it < 1285973267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty close to English, but some of the words are different, and some of the grammar < 1285973292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mutually intelligible, is the word < 1285973295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is _one_ whole county which is nynorsk, the rest are either bokmål or split by municipality (which are mostly bokmål) < 1285973297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's that almost-English language? < 1285973299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i mentioned once < 1285973301 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285973304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you said it wouldn't make learning it harder? < 1285973312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: West Frysian? < 1285973316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounds confusing :) < 1285973322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep < 1285973324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The one that is essentially Middle English without the Latin? < 1285973331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1285973332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1285973335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall it being more similar < 1285973338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Scots has more to do with Middle English than Modern English, BTW. < 1285973352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what's that thing explaining atoms written in english without germanic stuff or something like that? < 1285973357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've forgotten the name < 1285973358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Middle English is somewhat harder to read than Scots < 1285973362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although still possible, more or less < 1285973370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Middle English is very very close to English. < 1285973375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses a leading y for past participles, which is really confusing if you don't know German < 1285973387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, that's because Scots has followed a few of the orthographic changes in English. < 1285973389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, but the West Frysian Lord's Prayer isn't very intelligible to me < 1285973395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it probably is that < 1285973402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_language#Sample_Text < 1285973412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, that's because of the mostly-Germanic vocabulary. < 1285973423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: I like your measurement of duration <-- mhm < 1285973434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> also what's that thing explaining atoms written in english without germanic stuff or something like that? < 1285973434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> i've forgotten the name < 1285973477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but I ran out of wesnoth songs now. I would have to start repeating them < 1285973483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1285973484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess I need to move to something else < 1285973495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I often set them on a loop for an entire day or so < 1285973503 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I couldn't stand that :P < 1285973646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Scots is in the midst of language attrition, and hence is starting to gain a lot of features of Standard English... < 1285973666 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.language.artificial/msg/69250bac6c7cbaff < 1285973675 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY MUST ALL CORDS IN MY POSSESSION BREAK? < 1285973758 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285973764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hi! < 1285973796 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I had this dream where I was evaluating a homebrew OS that was based on FreeDOS or something < 1285973805 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285973833 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it had something in it that emulated another OS, like a Commodore 64 or something (I know that's not an OS but this was a dream, right?) < 1285973851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, had it been coded by a shoe with multiple personality disorder? < 1285973858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, heh < 1285973865 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when you quit the OS (again, this was a dream), it popped up a message like those old shareware nag boxes < 1285973885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1285973887 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And part of this message was written by alise < 1285973913 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was encouraging us to consider what it would be like if operating systems could emulate each other through successive fractal refinement of their semantics < 1285973937 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all < 1285973974 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, other than after reading that, in the dream, it was clear this was some open-source project that alise contributed to, and that it worked something like that, but in an unrefined way < 1285973988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had a dream that was internally consistent? < 1285973993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rare for mine to be like that < 1285973997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but while asleep, I don't notice the inconsistencies < 1285974021 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, parts of it were. < 1285974028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or I notice one which is comparatively minor compared to all the rest < 1285974030 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine do tend to be a mix < 1285974037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that instantly causes me to realise I'm asleep, and wake up < 1285974054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really keep a set of maps near my bed, the most common side-effect is that I completely lose track of local geography < 1285974112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And it was encouraging us to consider what it would be like if operating systems could emulate each other through successive fractal refinement of their semantics <-- wow, the mind boggles < 1285974149 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, one more detail: this OS was called "Ancestor" < 1285974151 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh... < 1285974160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, did Wikipedia just go down? < 1285974164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hey this would make a good sci fi story < 1285974193 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, works for me, but slow < 1285974193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, working again now < 1285974194 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice. < 1285974238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, how can one refine semantics with fractional dimension? < 1285974300 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: as Vorpal said, the mind boggles. < 1285974321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does fractional dimensions actually imply self-similartiy < 1285974326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*similarity? < 1285974379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: almost certainly not < 1285974382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of some thoughts I was having on data types shorter than a bit < 1285974445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, "Ancestor" is a good name for an OS. the "successive fractal refinement" sounds like a perfect technobabel to introduce AI. Just two things left: decide if the AI is good or bad (no one writes stories about AIs that are somewhere in between those extremes), and actually write the story < 1285974470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should easily be able to get a fractal dimension from a splitting up in which you make every part _different_ in a recursive but non-repeating way, i think < 1285974501 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to think what that could be.
< 1285974535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you split up as a triangle on the top, then as a square in one part, a pentagon in another, etc. etc... < 1285974551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that should work < 1285974627 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it seems to me i've seen or thought of that before (possibly as a logo program) < 1285974647 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not from the angle of "hey this is a fractal but isn't self-similar" < 1285974654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, here's a possible encoding for a trit that contains exactly one trit of data: 0: 01 preceded by any even number of 0; 1: 10 preceded by any even number of 0; 2: 11 preceded by any even number of 0 < 1285974670 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285974677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are multiple possible encodings for each value, you can use those as part of representing another value < 1285974707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what? < 1285974712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can combine it with an encoding for a quint: 0 = 00, 1 = 01, 2 = 10, 3 = 11, 4 = use secondary encoding for previous trit < 1285974734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, isn't a trit just like base 3 iirc? < 1285974738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the trit plus the quint together fit into 4 bits nicely, with a bit left over (which is managed using the tertiary encoding for the trit) < 1285974745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but this is representing a trit using bits < 1285974758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the crazy part that alise will love: remove the first bit from that encoding of a trit < 1285974766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you now have something that equals one trit minus one bit < 1285974776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is less than a bit of data < 1285974781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285974795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have two possible values, 0 and 1; but they may inject more data into other parts of the program, depending on the context) < 1285974804 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1285974812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, say, you can add an extra bit and an extra quint, and /still/ fit it into four bits < 1285974820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1285974825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you couldn't do if you started with an actual bit < 1285974826 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is quite absurd :D < 1285974829 0 :Wamanuz!~Markus@194.236.14.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285974852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huffman coding can be generalised based on a similar principle, and in the limit you get arithmetic coding < 1285974932 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285975142 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, i'll be blunt. i have never understood why it always takes more than one bit to represent the information present in less than one bit < 1285975165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it takes more than one bit to /exploit/ that information < 1285975180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have less than a bit of information, anything that encodes it must contain padding < 1285975187 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "exploit", "observe", "make relevant"... < 1285975201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you encode that less-than-a-bit, and something else as well, and fit it into a smaller size than the bit + the something else < 1285975261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be blunt I have a trouble with "less than one bit of information" < 1285975314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, consider run-length encoding < 1285975315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess imagining something with 0.5 logical states is just not possible < 1285975324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I know how it works in compression < 1285975335 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: String of 0 or 1s where one can do better than coinflip to predict the next bit has less than 1 bit of information per bit. < 1285975342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but I never imagine that as "half-bits" or such < 1285975347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a simple one: count, value < 1285975354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just get the count, and the count has a value of 1 < 1285975359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the count contains less than a bit of info < 1285975363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you still need the count to know what the next bit is < 1285975365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1285975382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*next byte < 1285975385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*still need the value < 1285975387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285975402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it contains only a very small amount of info, in that you know that the byte after is not the same as the next byte < 1285975414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only a small fraction of a bit of info < 1285975433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how large fraction? < 1285975438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, this is counterbalanced by the case that a count of, say, 200, would contain a lot more than a bit of info, if you assume the original to be randomly distributed < 1285975440 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5? 0.2? something else? < 1285975441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: less than 1% < 1285975445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a bit < 1285975446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you decide that < 1285975459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can't think of a sensible way to put a number to that < 1285975461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it allows you to encode 256 possibilities in something that only has 255 possible states < 1285975472 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like if you have string of n bits, where probability of 0 is 75% and probabilty of 1 is 25% and bits are independent, then on average you need about 0.8113n bits to reprent it (as n grows without bound). < 1285975475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's log_2(256/255) bits < 1285975500 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh < 1285975501 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*represent < 1285975506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.005646564 bits according to my calculator < 1285975520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, if your compression scheme does that a lot, it's not a very good compression scheme :) < 1285975633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285975654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I still don't get " because it allows you to encode 256 possibilities in something that only has 255 possible states" < 1285975672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because you know that the next byte is not the same as the current one < 1285975677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as otherwise the run count would have been more than 1 < 1285975729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285975756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still it is only less than a bit in the encoding scheme < 1285975762 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is actually one physical bit < 1285975795 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probably more if stored on a harddrive, what with their crazy RLL stuff (or whatever they use nowdays) < 1285975881 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can think of it this way: divide the entire future into two halves: one if you see 0, the other if you see 1. Based on what you've seen so far, you might be able to rule out parts of the future, even if you can't cleanly divide it in half like that. < 1285975903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say "world" instead of "future" initially; either works, kind of. < 1285975906 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, mhm < 1285975934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION splits it in technobabel interpretation of quantum physics
< 1285975968 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, this is not quite the same lines as: struct foo { int bar:8; int baz:0.33; } < 1285975980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, indeed not < 1285975985 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or however C does bit-sizing of structurs < 1285975990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen that in a long time < 1285975998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I think it does it that way < 1285975999 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1285976009 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meaning of that int baz:0.33; escapes me < 1285976020 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Zoidberg < 1285976020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C sensibly define it as compile time error presumably < 1285976029 0 :Zoidberg!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1285976049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, however, now define an esolang where something like "struct foo { int bar:8; int baz:0.33; }" would have a sensible meaning < 1285976055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must! < 1285976062 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want to be able to store an integer between 0 and 0.33 here" < 1285976083 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but "integer between 0 and 8" isn't what bar:8 means < 1285976084 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY < 1285976086 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^0.33 < 1285976093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means an integer of 8 bits < 1285976097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, right < 1285976146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, -1 presumably < 1285976164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 1 bit is not "between 0 and 2^1" (that would be 0,1,2) < 1285976173 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming a closed range) < 1285976181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/range/interval( < 1285976188 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(/\// < 1285976220 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1285976230 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^(-0.67) < 1285976234 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1285976238 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, no < 1285976243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -1 is outside the exponent < 1285976245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what I said < 1285976256 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1285976259 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 bits: 2^8 = 256, 2^8-1 = 255 < 1285976262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 2^7 < 1285976262 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285976266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1285976289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so .33 bits is a value between 0 and 0.25701337452182837 (approx) < 1285976314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, have fun assigning a sensible meaning to that < 1285976325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I look forward to seeing the results, but now I must sleep < 1285976328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1285976337 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait < 1285976346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it need not be sensible < 1285976353 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1285976356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it is fun and actually works in the esolang < 1285976365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know what I mean) < 1285976369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really → < 1285976477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, and um, more implementable than TURKEY BOMB < 1285976490 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not saying it has to be easy, just not impossible) < 1285976497 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really argh → < 1285976777 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say that it is impossible is a half-truth < 1285977446 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving