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19:59:29 <alise> clog!
19:59:49 <alise> clog: KEEP CLOGGIN' DEM TUBES
19:59:55 <alise> 10.10.0303-Oct-2010 00:00 0
19:59:58 <alise> The day that did not exist.
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20:00:07 <baschtl> hallo
20:00:08 <alise> hi baschtl
20:00:16 <alise> good timing, our channel logger just cam eback
20:00:18 <alise> *came back
20:00:54 <baschtl> channel logger?
20:01:03 <alise> yes.
20:01:05 <alise> clog.
20:01:11 <alise> it watches. everything. and puts it on the web.
20:01:21 <baschtl> yes
20:01:21 <alise> like CCTV, except fluffier
20:01:28 <yorick> yay clog is back
20:01:34 <alise> BEST DAY EVER
20:01:59 <yorick> the timeline must be preserved!
20:02:38 <yorick> alise: go send in your put-together logs
20:02:39 -!- baschtl has left (?).
20:02:54 <alise> yorick: that is unlikely to have any effect. clog runs entirely without administration.
20:03:06 <yorick> then who fixed it
20:03:11 <alise> probably some other channel's denizens yelled in #tunes until it came back. or my email to Faré was actually received
20:03:17 <alise> clog runs completely unadministrated, but tunes.org doesn't
20:03:29 <alise> so someone just restarted it i guess
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20:03:59 <yorick> I think it's scary
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20:04:12 <alise> yorick: what, clog?
20:04:17 <yorick> ya, clog
20:04:28 <alise> no way -- logreading is our national pastime
20:04:35 <alise> you shouldn't say anything really stupid on irc anyway
20:04:45 <alise> although even if you claim to have murdered someone, nobody's likely to believe you anyway
20:04:46 <yorick> why not?
20:04:54 <alise> yorick: because even if logs aren't public, people log.
20:05:04 <yorick> but what if I claim I warezed stuff
20:05:17 <yorick> I don't care about other people
20:05:21 <yorick> I do care about google
20:05:22 <fizzie> "If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact. Be sure to provide a way for users to make comments without logging, --" I don't think we really do that latter part, and I'm not sure how that should be done. On the other hand, we're not exactly model freenode citizens anyway, what with the single-# thing and all.
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20:05:56 <yorick> what's with the single-# thing?
20:05:57 <alise> fizzie: I don't think any channel does that.
20:06:04 <yorick> C does it
20:06:06 <alise> yorick: you're meant to have two #s if you don't own the thing your channel is named after
20:06:15 <yorick> ah :)
20:06:16 <alise> for instance, the C committee could register #c, but not a random group of C users
20:06:20 <yorick> omg you stupid people :P
20:06:30 <alise> yorick: this channel predates that policy by *many* years
20:06:31 <yorick> you can't own "esoteric"
20:06:34 <alise> i believe it even predates the name freenode
20:06:38 <alise> that's what i was gonna say -- nobody owns esotericity anyway
20:06:43 <alise> so it's not really a big deal at al
20:06:44 <alise> *all
20:07:05 <yorick> but how can I make comments without logging
20:07:06 <fizzie> Yes, but even if it's a non-ownable thing, it should go to the ## namespace according to them guidelines. Not that anyone cares.
20:07:22 <fizzie> yorick: You should make them somewhere else, then, I gather.
20:08:12 <alise> yorick: /msg someone and hope they don't say it in-channel
20:08:35 <Vorpal> yorick, how does ##c implement it?
20:08:45 <Vorpal> or was that just the ## thing?
20:08:57 <alise> <Vorpal> or was that just the ## thing
20:09:00 <yorick> just the ##
20:09:09 <alise> (plenty of languages answer questions by restating it without questioning)
20:09:14 <alise> (my laziness knows no bounds)
20:09:24 <alise> (typing "yes" is a chore)
20:09:30 <fizzie> I am tempted to say "if you prefix your messages with your nickserv password, it's not shown to us but clog will ignore them".
20:09:44 <fizzie> But maybe that wouldn't be entirely believable.
20:10:35 <ais523> I think Graue could make a case for owning the channel
20:10:38 <ais523> but I don't think he's interested
20:10:40 <alise> "it's not shown to us but clog will ignore them"
20:10:41 <quintopia> i would answer "bindun"
20:10:42 <alise> alise: no way
20:10:44 <alise> we predate the wiki
20:10:49 <yorick> alise: such as latin
20:10:52 <ais523> alise: agreed, but the wiki's the website with that name
20:10:52 <alise> also, it isn't about who owns the channel
20:10:53 <Vorpal> alise, that made sense, just not obviously
20:10:55 <quintopia> alise: stop highlighting yourself
20:10:57 <alise> it's about who owns the concept itself
20:10:59 <yorick> alise: latin doesn't even have a word for "yes"
20:11:00 <alise> *ais523:
20:11:11 <alise> >nickserv< ghost quintopia bindun
20:11:12 <alise> -NickServ- quintopia is not a registered nickname.
20:11:13 <yorick> quintopia: do you happen to have an hilight on "alice"
20:11:14 <Vorpal> alise, he meant "(the password) is not shown to us, but clog will ignore (the lines)"
20:11:16 <ais523> yorick: not a single word
20:11:21 <alise> yorick: if it would, it wouldn't be effective
20:11:29 <alise> Vorpal: oh
20:11:35 <yorick> alise: not a single word
20:11:36 <alise> Vorpal: that's not really a valid way of saying that :P
20:11:36 <ais523> "in this way I confirm it" is the literal translation of the most common idiom to mean "yes" in Latin
20:11:39 <alise> yorick: <yorick> quintopia: do you happen to have an hilight on "alice"
20:11:40 <Vorpal> alise, yes it wasn't very obvious :P
20:11:41 <alise> my name is not alice
20:11:47 <Vorpal> alise, but it is the only way it made half-way sense
20:11:50 <ais523> neither is mine!
20:11:55 <ais523> what a coincidence
20:11:57 <alise> nobody's name is alice! NOBODY'S
20:11:59 <yorick> ais523: sorry!
20:12:09 <quintopia> maybe i should register . . . >.>
20:12:09 <yorick> quintopia: do you happen to have an hilight on "alise"?
20:12:13 <alise> ais523: do you have a highlight on "ais523", yorick?
20:12:13 <yorick> alise: sorry
20:12:14 <ais523> yorick: I was trying to make a joke, not accusing you
20:12:15 <quintopia> yorick: no
20:12:19 <quintopia> fizzie: fizzie!
20:12:21 <ais523> I have higlights on quite a few obscure things
20:12:23 <yorick> ais523: I ment alise:
20:12:27 <ais523> but none of them are the nicks of other people in the channel
20:12:31 <alise> oklopol: what the heck does "ment" mean?
20:12:42 <yorick> ais523: but you happen to have a name that has the same color as alises
20:12:47 <Vorpal> alise, lets wait for what fizzie has to answer himself
20:12:59 <ais523> yorick: that's nicely self-referential, mispinging in a misping apology effectively atones for itself
20:13:08 <quintopia> yorick: no, alise and Vorpal have the same color. they are green, and ais523 is orange
20:13:16 <ais523> actually, I'm black and alise is grey
20:13:18 <alise> ais523: "I resign as IADoP and Registar and go on hold." --Wooble, after comex transfers a prop from Wooble to comex after Keba posted an apologetic resignation and on-holding after Wooble tried to NoV em for not publishing a report
20:13:21 <ais523> whereas vorpal is cyan
20:13:29 <yorick> quintopia: vorpal is definately green...alise is orange too
20:13:33 <alise> ais523: do we actually have *conclusive* evidence that he's over 12?
20:13:38 <ais523> alise: to be fair, it doesn't take much to cause Wooble to ragequit
20:13:42 <ais523> I think it's just his playstyle
20:13:43 <alise> i'm orange and grey!
20:13:48 <alise> ais523: whinestyle :P
20:13:50 <ais523> I'm kind-of surprised he didn't deregister
20:13:51 <quintopia> yorick: the only way to know what's it like to see via echolocation is to be a bat.
20:14:01 <alise> ais523: we need some sort of minimum on-hold time
20:14:07 <alise> it'd help prevent some sorts of scams too, I bet
20:14:08 <fizzie> The "it == password, them == lines" interpretation is correct, but I concur that it wasn't a very proper way.
20:14:22 <alise> wow, this channel's activity has exploded in the past minute or so
20:14:23 <ais523> quintopia: I disagree; there are echolocation devices available that convert the data into a sense you do have
20:14:25 <Vorpal> everyone is blue here. Apart from me, who is grey
20:14:27 <ais523> and people can learn to use them
20:14:32 <Vorpal> I just find nick colours confusing
20:14:39 <Vorpal> because of the colour conflicts
20:14:40 <alise> because we said a few lines at once and the replies have forked way too many subprocesses...
20:14:40 <ais523> alise: you can't win for a week after becoming active
20:14:42 <yorick> Vorpal: you're green
20:14:45 <Vorpal> which do happen quite often
20:14:51 <ais523> alise: wow, forkbombing an IRC channel
20:14:54 <ais523> that's pretty impressive
20:14:57 <yorick> lol
20:14:58 <quintopia> ais523: there's a difference between what we perceive hearing a sondol and what a bat perceives getting an echo back
20:15:14 <ais523> quintopia: not massively, it's the same data in a different encoding
20:15:15 <quintopia> this is a thought experiment much older than me
20:15:25 <ais523> and encoding doesn't seem to be massively important in determining data fed to the brain
20:15:26 <alise> Astronaut missionaries!
20:15:32 <yorick> alise: wut
20:15:38 <alise> how the hell did we get on to echolocation
20:15:39 <quintopia> it's not the data that matters. it's the way we perceive it
20:15:42 <fizzie> ais523: You're sort of pukey-greenish-yellow, to be completely honest.
20:15:45 <ais523> (e.g. if you give someone glasses which turn everything they see upside-down, after a while they'll see normally again
20:15:50 <ais523> fizzie: dark yellow?
20:15:51 <yorick> alise: synesthesia and quintopia
20:15:57 <quintopia> just as i perceive alise and Vorpal to be the same color, and yorick and fizzie to be the same color, while you don't
20:16:00 <Vorpal> <alise> wow, this channel's activity has exploded in the past minute or so <-- correct, I can't keep up
20:16:02 <yorick> ais523: light yellow.
20:16:14 <alise> "pukey-greenish-yellow" "dark yellow?"
20:16:20 <ais523> dark yellow is a specific color
20:16:20 <alise> "that is also an acceptable name!"
20:16:20 <fizzie> ais523: #7d6025.
20:16:25 <Vorpal> alise, get fizzie to write something to publish a life-feed of diagrams with short time tendencies
20:16:27 <ais523> ah, OK
20:16:30 <yorick> quintopia: I'm red...fizzie is light yellow, vorpal is green and alise is orange
20:16:31 <Vorpal> say, updated every minute or so
20:16:32 <ais523> not quite #808000, but relatively close
20:16:36 <yorick> and ais523 is also orange.
20:16:40 <yorick> ais523: damn you!
20:16:44 <ais523> yorick: take that back!
20:16:50 <yorick> ais523: stop being orange!
20:17:00 <ais523> seriously, that's about the worst insult you can aim at anyone
20:17:04 <quintopia> ais523 is orange, i agree
20:17:14 <ais523> it's a desire for the worst possible thing theoretically possible to happen to them
20:17:19 <yorick> ais523: hmm...possibly... :/
20:17:28 <yorick> ais523: let me rephrase
20:17:47 <Vorpal> <ais523> seriously, that's about the worst insult you can aim at anyone <-- what is?
20:17:50 <yorick> ais523: damn the inconvenience caused by me percieving your nick and "alise" both as orange
20:17:53 <ais523> Vorpal: "damn you"
20:17:55 <yorick> ais523: sorry :)
20:17:56 <Vorpal> oh
20:17:56 <ais523> yorick: that's better
20:18:18 <yorick> yay I killed the activity!
20:19:20 <Vorpal> ais523, I perceive sex-related swearing as far worse than religion-related swearing in Swedish, but the opposite in English.
20:19:20 <yorick> quintopia: but alise is also orange
20:19:28 <Vorpal> ais523, just as a random data point
20:19:41 <ais523> Vorpal: sex-related is generally worse in English too, but only for certain words
20:19:44 <ais523> but I don't really understand that
20:19:56 <ais523> randomly yelling "fuck" or whatever just makes no sense out of context, I can live with that
20:20:02 <yorick> we dutch people have disease-related swearing
20:20:06 <ais523> insults which have a meaning can be somewhat worse
20:20:18 <Vorpal> ais523, "fuck you" seems a lot less worse than "damn you" in English, waaay the opposite in Swedish
20:20:19 <alise> "Fuck!" "Sure."
20:20:33 <alise> ais523: just out of curiosity, has anyone ever damned you and then not retracted it?
20:20:35 <yorick> :)
20:20:37 <ais523> Vorpal: it's actually the opposite in English too, for most people, but I don't understand it
20:20:56 <ais523> alise: not that I can remember, most people are relatively considerate when they actually stop to think about what their words mean
20:21:06 <yorick> :(
20:21:06 <Vorpal> ais523, well it is a bit strange that "fuck you" would be less bad than "damn you" indeed.
20:21:22 <alise> ais523: I don't say it because I know you don't like it, but personally I have an understanding of the extreme non-literality of swear words...
20:21:36 <ais523> what use is a word, if it has no meaning?
20:21:41 <quintopia> and goddam you is no worse than damn you
20:21:45 <quintopia> perhaps the god is implied
20:22:15 <Vorpal> alise, same. But I do get a bit annoyed when people uses genital parts as swearing.
20:22:23 <quintopia> on the other hand, calling someone Satan is definitely stronger than calling them a dick
20:22:28 <alise> coppro: how am I doing for mathNEWS? >_>
20:22:33 <alise> Vorpal: Well, that just makes you a dick.
20:22:48 <quintopia> it makes him Satan
20:22:55 <alise> Stan
20:22:59 <ais523> Vorpal: in English, which euphemism you use determines how strong the insult is
20:23:04 <Vorpal> that has really moved from the original meaning
20:23:06 <Vorpal> ais523, indeed
20:23:07 <ais523> calling someone a vagina is just confusing, for instance
20:23:10 <Vorpal> and "dick" is also a name
20:23:13 <Vorpal> which is rather wtf
20:23:16 <ais523> various euphemisms have various levels of insultingness
20:23:21 <alise> Vorpal: Stop dicking about.
20:23:26 <quintopia> dick, if spotted, is also a food stuff
20:23:33 <ais523> and it isn't really a name nowadays, no sane parent gives it to their children as they'd never get through school without emotional scarring
20:23:43 <Vorpal> alise, that is a bit more annoying
20:23:48 <quintopia> yet they continue to name their kids richard
20:23:52 <alise> ais523: nobody gets through school without emotional scarring.
20:23:53 <quintopia> and those kids grow up to be dick
20:24:04 <ais523> alise: yes, but parents try to avoid obvious sources, most of the time
20:24:16 <quintopia> most of the time
20:24:27 <quintopia> but there was that one kid in my middle school named Mike Rapp
20:24:49 <alise> what a load of ke Rapp
20:25:06 <Vorpal> ais523, hm indeed
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20:25:56 <Vorpal> quintopia, family name is harder to "work around"
20:26:11 <quintopia> Vorpal: don't name your kid michael. easy.
20:27:07 <Vorpal> quintopia, I wouldn't use an English name anyway
20:27:17 <alise> really!
20:27:20 <alise> do you think that might be because
20:27:22 <alise> YOU'RE SWEDISH
20:27:29 <ais523> there's probably /someone/ in England named Arvid...
20:27:32 <yorick> lol
20:27:32 <Vorpal> alise, huh
20:27:38 <Vorpal> alise, the thought never occurred to me
20:27:41 <alise> GASP
20:27:44 <Vorpal> alise, you MIGHT HAVE A POINT!
20:27:52 <Vorpal> alise, this is breaking news.
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20:28:04 <impomatic> Hi :-)
20:28:06 <Vorpal> ais523, probably
20:28:08 * yorick waves at PH
20:28:13 <Vorpal> PH?
20:28:18 <yorick> Phantom_Hoover_.
20:28:21 <ais523> presumably Phantom_Hoover_
20:28:22 <Vorpal> ah
20:28:24 * yorick waves at impomatic
20:28:27 <ais523> also, I just tried to tab-complete "presumably"
20:28:32 <impomatic> Hey yorick :-)
20:28:34 <quintopia> i do that too
20:28:36 <pikhq> alise: Yeah, but here in AMERICA you can use ANY NAME
20:28:44 <quintopia> every time a word is more than five letters long, i try to tab it
20:28:45 <impomatic> I wondered where my wave was :-P
20:28:47 <Vorpal> ais523, hm irc is taking over your brain
20:28:49 <yorick> who lives in america anyways
20:28:51 <alise> Kathq'lyyn
20:28:57 <yorick> impomatic: slightly delayed by the need to explain PH
20:28:58 <alise> Pronounced "John"
20:29:15 <pikhq> alise: I don't think there's even a legal requirement that it be in any known script.
20:29:29 <alise> pikhq: KLINGON NAME
20:29:30 <Phantom_Hoover_> <Vorpal> ais523, probably ← I never could remember his first name...
20:29:40 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover_, how is that hard?
20:29:42 <ais523> I don't think I even know your first name
20:29:45 <ais523> I know alise's, and mine
20:29:50 <yorick> I would pronounce Kathq'lynn as kathy-klinn
20:29:52 <Phantom_Hoover_> NOÖNE KNOWS
20:30:01 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover_, I mean, if it was "Sven-Åke" or some such it might be harder
20:30:02 <alise> ais523's first name is Aleæir'hiãé
20:30:08 <alise> Pronounced "alex"
20:30:09 <Vorpal> hm that one is still easy
20:30:11 <yorick> I bet no one knows mine
20:30:17 <alise> yorick: yorick
20:30:21 <yorick> alise: shh
20:30:22 <ais523> yorick: I bet /someone/ knows your name
20:30:25 <ais523> your parents, for instance
20:30:27 <ais523> or you yourself
20:30:28 <Vorpal> XD
20:30:32 <yorick> ais523: no one in this channel
20:30:34 <Phantom_Hoover_> Well, irssi betrayed me once and stuck my name in a whois, but NO MORE.
20:30:37 <Vorpal> so lets see how this worked up
20:30:37 <ais523> yorick: you're in this channel
20:30:46 <Vorpal> updated gnome while gnome was still running
20:30:54 <yorick> Vorpal: I'd restart it
20:31:02 <Vorpal> hrrm
20:31:11 <yorick> ais523: I know :P
20:31:14 <pikhq> Yup, Love Symbol #2 was Prince's *actual legal name* for a while.
20:31:24 <Phantom_Hoover_> <alise> Pronounced "alex" ← I have at various times thought it to be Alan and Adam.
20:31:42 <Vorpal> yorick, I upgraded between old X and modular X.Org from inside an xterm
20:31:44 <Vorpal> that was a while ago
20:31:46 <Vorpal> worked well
20:31:53 <alise> Phantom_Hoover_: It's actually Alan-Aladdin-Adam.
20:31:56 <Vorpal> took some time, due to running gentoo back then
20:32:03 <Phantom_Hoover_> Aladdam.
20:32:14 <alise> AWESOME NAME
20:32:14 <yorick> hmm alise is pronounced alan?
20:32:20 <alise> "What's your name?" "ALADDAM"
20:32:30 <yorick> aladdam sounds like saddam
20:32:32 <Vorpal> yorick, no it is pronounced "Elliott"
20:32:37 <impomatic> Hmmm... I'm going to see if I can get TclRobots running on Linus
20:32:41 <pikhq> Huh. In the US, if you have *assumed* a name, then it can be considered as your legal name.
20:32:46 <impomatic> Linus EQU Linux
20:32:55 <cpressey> static const unsigned short p9[5] =
20:32:57 <cpressey> { 1, 9, 81, 729, 6561 };
20:33:02 <Vorpal> pikhq, you can change name over here, iirc limited number of times
20:33:08 <Vorpal> like, once
20:33:08 <Phantom_Hoover_> yorick, the number of letters is VERY IMPORTANT to him.
20:33:19 <Vorpal> pikhq, that is legal name
20:33:20 <yorick> Phantom_Hoover_: it's an him? :P
20:33:26 <Phantom_Hoover_> cpressey, please... please tell me that's not what I think it is.
20:33:30 <Vorpal> family name follows different rules
20:33:31 <Phantom_Hoover_> yorick, he's contrarian.
20:33:36 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover_: I can tell you that, sure!
20:33:40 <cpressey> I can tell you a lot of things!
20:33:41 <quintopia> I just had a new language idea. It's called "Graue Sucks." Whaddyathink?
20:33:53 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover_: The sky is filled with plants.
20:33:56 <Phantom_Hoover_> Tell me it honestly.
20:33:58 <yorick> Phantom_Hoover_: it's an he?
20:34:04 <Phantom_Hoover_> quintopia, implement it immediately.
20:34:14 <yorick> alise: you're a he?
20:34:14 <alise> "it's an he"
20:34:15 <Phantom_Hoover_> yorick, yep.
20:34:16 <ais523> ooh, that's given /me/ an esolang idea
20:34:18 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover_, what do you think it is?
20:34:18 <alise> Least grammatically correct sentence ever.
20:34:20 <alise> yorick: nope
20:34:22 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover_: Problem: I don't know what you think it is.
20:34:24 <pikhq> Vorpal: We use common law to handle it. If you consider it your name, it is your name.
20:34:28 <alise> Maybe!
20:34:31 * yorick is confused
20:34:31 <alise> p=.5!
20:34:32 <ais523> you get a set of people to start writing an interp
20:34:34 <Vorpal> pikhq, heh.
20:34:38 <alise> p=3+7i!
20:34:41 <alise> p=-1!
20:34:45 <ais523> they aren't aiming anywhere to start with atm, just writing code that looks generically interpy
20:34:46 <alise> p = -1 factorial
20:34:48 <Vorpal> pikhq, presumably you need to register that or something?
20:34:50 <yorick> alise: that's a yes?
20:34:58 <ais523> once it becomes TC, you take whatever you ended up with as the lang in question
20:35:00 <pikhq> Vorpal: Only if you want to make the paperwork less of a pain.
20:35:00 <yorick> alise: I'll just call you "alice"
20:35:06 <Vorpal> pikhq, ah
20:35:18 <quintopia> to me it looks an awful lot like the powers of nine. . .which are very useful for, uh, being cool?
20:35:36 <pikhq> Vorpal: Otherwise, everywhere you need to use your legal name, you'll have to sign something stating that you are the same person as your previous name referred to.
20:36:17 <Vorpal> hahah
20:36:34 <alise> apparently -1 factorial = 1
20:36:35 <Vorpal> pikhq, that is quite a logical system actually. Better than I expected from US
20:36:41 <Vorpal> alise, yes and?
20:36:42 <alise> yorick: for the last time, my nick is not alice
20:36:52 <ais523> your nick is zuff
20:36:54 <alise> Vorpal: no, -1 factorial != 1, you see.
20:36:59 <alise> ais523: *estoppel
20:37:01 <yorick> alise: I know, but you're saying "maybe"
20:37:07 <ais523> wait, i thought that was /my/ nick
20:37:10 <alise> yorick: i also said a variety of other things
20:37:11 <ais523> memory fades quickly...
20:37:14 <alise> ais523: no :P
20:37:17 <Vorpal> alise, different sources?
20:37:19 <ais523> was indeed you
20:37:20 <yorick> alise: you also said "nope"
20:37:25 <alise> yorick: i also said p=.5
20:37:27 <alise> and p=3+7i
20:37:29 <pikhq> Vorpal: It's common law -- most of it is just application of common sense.
20:37:40 <yorick> alise: which is while I'll call you "alice"
20:37:50 <Vorpal> pikhq, what exactly does "common law" mean?
20:38:02 <ais523> Vorpal: it's a system of laws that's established without a written law
20:38:11 <ais523> basically, if everyone believes something's illegal, it is
20:38:18 <Vorpal> oh
20:38:19 <ais523> then, it gets refined via court precedent
20:38:30 <ais523> for ages in the UK, murder wasn't explicitly illegal, it was just a common-law crime
20:38:32 <Vorpal> ais523, Sweden doesn't have that system
20:38:48 <pikhq> Vorpal: It's a distinctly British system.
20:38:54 <Vorpal> ah
20:38:56 <Vorpal> pikhq, and US?
20:39:00 <ais523> proto: no written laws at all, everything is based on whether a jury finds you guilty or not
20:39:07 <ais523> (note: this may not be a good legal system to live in)
20:39:33 <cpressey> quintopia: I suppose it is the first five nonnegative powers of nine. It's part of the original Malbolge interpreter.
20:39:38 <pikhq> All but one state of the US uses common law, because our legal systems are largely inspired by England's.
20:39:41 <Vorpal> ais523, it is in fact extremely nasty
20:39:51 <pikhq> (Louisiana has civil law, due to being a former French colony)
20:40:17 <Vorpal> pikhq, civil law being the "usual" system elsewhere I presume?
20:40:21 <pikhq> Yes.
20:40:30 <pikhq> Vorpal: In all current common law jurisdictions, the legal system is a combination of written laws and court precedents.
20:40:37 <Vorpal> mhm
20:40:48 <alise> common law is wfun
20:40:52 <alise> *fun
20:40:53 <pikhq> The court precedents can override the written law.
20:41:08 <alise> i think i like it, except i don't trust judges much :D
20:41:14 <pikhq> (most typically when there's conflict between two laws)
20:41:38 <quintopia> cpressey: and why did you copy it here again?
20:42:28 <cpressey> quintopia: IT WAS EXTREMELY RELEVANT
20:42:32 <cpressey> also, it was in my clipboard
20:42:51 <cpressey> I'm using Windows PowerShell!
20:42:58 <cpressey> irssi in Windows PowerShell.
20:43:11 <alise> cpressey: oh lawdee :P
20:43:14 <Vorpal> cpressey, which is worst: powershell or malbolge?
20:43:25 <pikhq> I'd say that common law manages to work as well as it *does* simply because it always operates with an appeal system.
20:44:15 <pikhq> (I mean, even waaaaaaaaay back in the history of it all, you could always appeal your decision all the way up to the King)
20:44:36 <cpressey> Vorpal: PowerShell is far more disappointing. But at least I can get 130(?) columns now, instead of 80, and instead of using Pidgin.
20:44:45 <alise> powershell is alright
20:44:53 <alise> it's more interesting than bash although maybe less useful :)
20:45:17 <cpressey> Probably someone has written an IRC cmdlet for this. If I were truly into Windows-slumming, I'd go look...
20:45:52 <Vorpal> you_can_get_more_than_80_in_cmd.exe.....___space_seems_broken_atm...
20:46:27 <Vorpal> ah better now
20:46:35 <alise> see, powershell doesn't do that :D
20:46:56 <Vorpal> just the metal bar ended up stuck
20:46:57 <alise> pikhq: it would be interesting if someone formulated a governmental system based entirely on an "idealised" version of courts and appeals
20:47:00 <alise> perhaps infinite appeals
20:47:21 <Vorpal> alise, infinite appeals: whoever live longest wins
20:47:28 <alise> lawl
20:47:39 <Vorpal> even trickier for companies, they could last for much longer
20:48:26 <pikhq> alise: Could be interesting.
20:50:42 <cpressey> Vorpal: I suppose you can, but I've never gone ahead and figured out a good way to do it with cygwin.
20:51:07 <alise> cpressey: right click title bar --> properties
20:51:10 <alise> might not work with cygwin i guess
20:51:16 <alise> probably what you meant
20:52:02 <Vorpal> cpressey, hm, right click menu bar and select settings or some such iirc
20:52:12 <ais523> what's a command that works like "dig", but more likely to be installed?
20:52:18 <cpressey> alise: it... yeah, cygwin is some kind of crapola hybrid. it doesn't work.
20:52:19 <Vorpal> cpressey, you might need to update COLS or COLUMNS in bash if it doesn't detect the change
20:52:27 <alise> ais523: i don't know of one
20:52:31 <cpressey> "Cannot modify shortcut"
20:52:34 <Vorpal> ais523, um nslookup?
20:52:40 <alise> ais523: host?
20:52:41 <Vorpal> ais523, not as feature-filled of course
20:52:45 <alise> host is part of bind
20:52:49 <alise> but then so is dig
20:52:51 <Vorpal> alise, nslookup is more likely than host iirc
20:52:58 <Vorpal> nslookup is glibc or some such
20:53:10 <Vorpal> or maybe not
20:53:11 <alise> bind is probably more common than glibc.
20:53:13 <alise> maybe not
20:53:20 <alise> nah you're probably right if it is glibc
20:53:24 <alise> but why would an executable be glibc???
20:53:28 <Vorpal> alise, nslookup seems to be bind on this computer
20:53:30 <Vorpal> hrrm
20:53:37 <alise> well that's not surprising :P
20:53:39 <Vorpal> yet... I'm sure I seen it as libc elsewhere
20:53:47 <alise> nslookup is probably the best bet, ais523
20:53:57 <cpressey> nsbindup
20:53:58 <ais523> ty
20:54:08 <Vorpal> ais523, dig does a lot more of course
20:54:12 <Vorpal> than just resolving
20:54:41 <Vorpal> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
20:54:41 <Vorpal> example.org.61129INNSb.iana-servers.net.
20:54:41 <Vorpal> example.org.61129INNSa.iana-servers.net.
20:54:48 <Vorpal> those are some nice name-servers
20:55:51 <ais523> I was trying to troubleshoot someone's internet connection over the phone
20:56:20 <ais523> but helpfully, pings gave a "destination host unreachable" rather than just being swallowed
20:56:39 <ais523> the IPs were being configured and they could ping the router, but not further
20:56:52 <ais523> so I'm guessing they wrote their MAC address incorrectly on the form that limits what could legally be plugged in
20:56:57 <alise> ais523: if Wooble ragequits in a public forum and the mailing lists are out, what sound does it make?
20:57:06 <ais523> VVRRRRROOOSHH!
20:57:08 <alise> wow, i mutated that beyong recognition
20:57:16 * alise gains enlightenment
20:57:31 <alise> proposed project: rewrite all zen koans to end with a literal answer
20:58:02 <alise> ais523: their router could be down...
20:58:05 <alise> as in the connection to the 'net
20:58:21 <ais523> seems unlikely, given that they're trying to set up a new connection for the first time
20:58:29 <ais523> that would be quite a coincidence if the connection was down that day
20:58:31 <alise> it happens to me all the time
20:58:35 <alise> ais523: not *that* great a coincidence
20:58:36 <ais523> also, the router's owned by someone else
20:58:41 <alise> also, it could have simply not been wired up yet
20:58:42 <alise> the connection
20:58:46 <ais523> and filters based on Mac address
20:58:50 <ais523> we're talking new student, here
20:58:59 <alise> oh
20:59:02 <alise> that's unlikely, then :)
20:59:10 <ais523> *MAC address
21:01:19 <Deewiant> http://awibiswritteninbrainfuck.blogspot.com/2010/10/tickling-itch-announcing-awib-03.html
21:01:57 <alise> :-D
21:02:16 <alise> http://code.google.com/u/matslina/ ;; the awib dev knows of esotope :)
21:04:15 <quintopia> i am laughing
21:04:24 <quintopia> about the rocket scooter
21:04:34 <quintopia> http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/
21:04:57 <alise> now why is that road legal :D
21:05:03 <alise> oh
21:05:05 <alise> not with the jet on :P
21:07:39 <alise> "A DMV insider has disclosed to me that the DMV has made a formal request to a federal agency to rule if my Beetle constitutes a threat to national security based on what could happen if it got into the wrong hands."
21:08:10 <quintopia> some really awesome shit could happen
21:08:22 <quintopia> he needs to build some retractable wings for it now
21:08:25 <quintopia> FLYING CAR!
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21:10:30 <alise> "Here's my wife's Honda Metropolitan scooter. She wants it to go faster than 40 mph. So I have these two little JFS 100 jet engines and I am thinking how to put them on the scooter."
21:10:31 <alise> *groan*
21:11:07 <quintopia> i know right?
21:11:10 <quintopia> *awesome*
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21:22:50 <webquint> things go from really fast to really quiet in a blink
21:24:42 <alise> quick, say multiple things at once
21:30:31 <webquint> i i really have don't tried know this what before to and say it beyond doesn't the make first sense thing.
21:33:33 <alise> when the things that if it
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21:44:10 <impomatic> I still can't get TclRobots working, even on a Linux machine :-(
21:44:53 <Phantom_Hoover_> pikhq doesn't really have an optimising x86 Brainfuck compiler!
21:45:31 <alise> impomatic: More magic.
21:45:57 <olsner> Luftputefartøyet mitt er fullt av ål
21:46:37 <impomatic> "Couldn't find or send to a new wish, bailing out! Is your X server configured for xauth style security? TclRobots uses the Tk 'send' command, which requires that xhost security not be used. Use xauth if possible. Alternatively, re-compile the wish executable /user/bin/wish8.4 with the -DTK_NO_SECURITY flag.'
21:48:08 <Vorpal> olsner, vad är "Luftputefartøyet"?
21:48:23 <Vorpal> åh nej....
21:48:40 <Vorpal> olsner, "svävare" på norska?
21:48:58 <olsner> givetvis
21:49:08 <Vorpal> heck where does the "my hoovercraft is full of eel" phrase come from?
21:49:16 <olsner> wikipedia
21:49:23 <Vorpal> olsner, firefox: segmentation fault
21:49:27 <Vorpal> not sure why atm
21:51:25 <alise> Vorpal: monty python....................
21:51:33 <Vorpal> alise, ah
21:51:37 <Vorpal> alise, which sketch
21:51:46 <olsner> Vorpal: the hovercraft-full-of-eels sketch
21:51:54 <alise> dirty hungarian phrasebook
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22:07:23 <pikhq> Phantom_Hoover_: Yes I do.
22:08:41 <Phantom_Hoover_> LIES
22:08:48 <Phantom_Hoover_> SHOW IT TO Me
22:11:06 <cpressey> bezier curve with an infinite number of control points
22:12:40 <Phantom_Hoover_> cpressey, isn't that just the curve defined by the points...?
22:14:27 <pikhq> Phantom_Hoover_: http://sprunge.us/CXTS
22:18:47 <Phantom_Hoover_> cpressey, wait, not necessarily.
22:19:51 <Phantom_Hoover_> cpressey, which infinity?
22:20:48 <Phantom_Hoover_> If it's an unbroken continuum, I think what said was correct...
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22:25:35 <Phantom_Hoover_> *I
22:31:18 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover_: the control points are cantor dust. of Yourself
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22:32:58 <Phantom_Hoover_> pikhq, that URL doesn't work BtW.
22:34:07 <cpressey> W. F. M.
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22:35:41 <pikhq> WFM
22:38:23 <cpressey> pikhq: very nice, btw.
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22:40:47 <pikhq> Much thanks to alise for telling me when I was being stupid about it.
22:41:45 <alise> back
22:41:48 <alise> pikhq: lawl
22:41:57 <alise> rnf x = x `seq` () ;; this is stupid, btw >_>
22:42:01 <Gregor> ZEE
22:42:04 <Gregor> ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
22:42:05 <alise> (it's equivalent to () iff x halts, otherwise _|_)
22:42:35 <alise> although
22:42:37 <alise> i guess the thing does
22:42:40 <alise> rnf x `seq` x
22:42:48 <alise> x `seq` () `seq` x _probably_ == an evaluated copy of x
22:42:53 <alise> but it is definitely not required that this be so
22:42:59 <pikhq> alise: That's the point of NFData, though.
22:43:41 <pikhq> I know it's not *required* to work that way, but it generally does by encouraging further strictness.
22:44:11 <alise> pikhq: i don't see why rnf can't just be a -> a
22:44:15 <alise> rather than a -> ()
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22:45:26 <pikhq> Because hell if I know.
22:46:03 <pikhq> I'm just using Control.DeepSeq right is all.
22:47:12 <pikhq> And using deepseq because otherwise finding the fixed point of the optimisations takes forever.
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22:55:16 <alise> pikhq: Now add more AWESOME
22:55:22 <alise> <cpressey> bezier curve with an infinite number of control points
22:55:25 <alise> also known as: a function!
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23:00:05 <cpressey> That was unusual
23:01:11 <alise> Or was it? :|
23:01:33 <cpressey> I think I hit ctrl+something
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23:02:45 <cpressey> OK, *that* time I hit Ctrl-C.
23:03:18 <alise> Ctrl+C doesn't quit irssi.
23:03:21 <alise> Maybe in your LAMER terminals
23:03:29 <cpressey> POWERSHELL!!!
23:03:49 <cpressey> Or maybe it's the Cygwin build of irssi is configured for extra lameness.
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23:09:20 <Gregor> cpressey: OHHEY
23:09:42 <Gregor> cpressey: Way back in the distant past when you listened to zee4 and hated it, did you listen up to the 2 minute mark? Just out of curiosity :P'
23:10:28 <cpressey> Gregor: I don't remember. I want to say I listened to the whole thing.
23:10:43 <Gregor> Since you explicitly said that you DIDN'T listen to the whole thing, you want to lie apparently :P
23:11:04 <cpressey> And you want to ask questions about things you already know, apparently
23:11:25 <cpressey> Heck, it seems to go beyond "want" in your case.
23:11:27 <Gregor> You said you hadn't listened to the end, not that you hadn't listened to an arbitrary point I've now specified.
23:11:54 <cpressey> If I stopped listening somewhere, I sure as hell don't remember how long it was from the beginning.
23:12:23 <Gregor> Fair enough :P
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23:12:32 <cpressey> I can give it another shot if you think it'll change my mind.
23:12:49 <cpressey> 'that dog' will just have to wait
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23:13:40 <Gregor> I don't think it'll change your mind per say, even if that part is supermagic it's not going to be sufficient to betterfy everything else, I was just wondering if that section was part of the consideration.
23:13:43 <alise> coppro: ping'e
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23:16:23 <cpressey> Gregor: Well, what starts around 1:30 redeems it somewhat
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23:19:03 <cpressey> Gregor: but yeah, no. I like 3 and 5 much better than 4 and 2
23:19:59 <Gregor> I too would place 4 at the bottom of the heap (though I like 2 more than that). I was thinking about adapting 3 for piano+melodica and making an acoustic recording of it :P
23:23:53 <Gregor> Apparently Civilization (the original) had barbarian diplomats.
23:24:01 <Gregor> TOTALLY not a contradiction of terms.
23:27:14 <cpressey> Gregor: does it have an ending? Zee3, not Civilization.
23:28:01 <Gregor> They all loop.
23:28:10 <Gregor> zee3 will need more adaption than that anyway :P
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23:28:27 * oerjan hugs clog
23:28:29 <cpressey> I want to write a piece that has 2-against-3 in every measure
23:28:29 <Gregor> The fact that it loops means, amongst other things, that I can rotate it. The beginning that's the current beginning doesn't need to be the beginning at all :P
23:28:59 <Gregor> cpressey: Title it "Eat your God-Damned Chicken"
23:31:18 <oerjan> hm apparently they are logged too
23:31:36 <cpressey> um what?
23:31:41 <oerjan> this was really in reply to <fizzie> "If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact. Be sure to provide a way for users to make comments without logging, --" I don't think we really do that latter part, and I'm not sure how that should be done. On the other hand, we're not exactly model freenode citizens anyway, what with the single-# thing and all.
23:32:01 <oerjan> i wanted to check if notices were a way
23:32:19 <cpressey> OH. you op fellas
23:32:38 <cpressey> It's just a differently formatted purple line for me
23:32:39 <oerjan> um what has this to do with ops, really
23:33:01 <cpressey> I assume privs are required to notify?
23:33:12 <oerjan> almost certainly not
23:33:37 <oerjan> in fact according to rfc, bots are _supposed_ to do that instead of ordinary messages. but no one cares about that.
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23:35:12 <cpressey> i have no idea how this works.
23:35:19 <cpressey> BUT THAT"S OK
23:35:41 <oerjan> ok you can do unlogged comments with undefined ctcps :D
23:35:54 <oerjan> i realize not every client will show them though...
23:37:15 <oerjan> cpressey: i just did /notice #esoteric Testing...
23:37:20 <alise> http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/self_ipol.txt
23:37:33 <alise> brian raiter code in an interesting-looking self-modifying string interpolation language
23:37:34 <coppro> it says "requested unknown CTCP TESTING from #esoteric"
23:37:41 <oerjan> and after that i tried /ctcp #esoteric testing Maybe _this_ works :D
23:37:54 <coppro> I did not see the notice then
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23:38:03 <coppro> oh wait, it's out of my scrollback
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23:38:12 <oerjan> coppro: oh your client doesn't show more than the TESTING part :(
23:38:18 <alise> coppro: how long until mathNEWS? >_>
23:38:28 <oerjan> coppro: NOTICEs are not ctcps afaik
23:38:29 <coppro> alise: production starts nowish
23:38:34 <Gregor> I must imagine clog still logs that ...
23:38:36 <coppro> oerjan: shush you
23:38:39 <alise> coppro: but my article!
23:38:47 <Gregor> It logs CTCP ACTION, after all.
23:38:47 <coppro> alise: either email or next week! now!
23:38:52 <alise> coppro: call up and say, literally, "stop the presses!" i will pay you infinite moneys
23:38:59 <oerjan> Gregor: clog does _not_ log unknown ctcp commands, i just checked
23:39:01 <alise> coppro: okay okay okay
23:39:09 <coppro> alise: it's not going to press yet, but it should be in soon
23:39:13 <oerjan> ACTION is special since it's used all the time
23:39:32 <alise> coppro: i can just put the markup in the email, right?
23:39:38 <Gregor> Hah, in fact, it even complains about it.
23:39:39 <coppro> yes
23:39:40 <Gregor> THat's awesome.
23:39:51 <alise> -clog- ERRMSG unknown CTCP: _ hurf durf
23:40:36 <oerjan> huh it's case insensitive
23:41:00 <alise> coppro: :|
23:41:04 <alise> Penis Oerjan
23:42:35 <cpressey> I have no idea if I'm doing it right or if anyone else can see it when I do it.
23:42:57 <Gregor> cpressey: I could see!
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23:43:19 <alise_> coppro: i need mathnews' email
23:44:36 <coppro> alise_: uh, hang on
23:45:26 <coppro> alise_: mathnews@gmail.com
23:45:32 <cpressey> what a crude protocol
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23:46:22 <alise_> coppro: huh, the one on the website is a utoronto address; forwarded?
23:47:03 <coppro> alise_: uh, utoronto?
23:47:23 <coppro> that sounds wrong
23:47:30 <alise_> erm
23:47:32 <alise_> uwaterloo
23:47:33 <alise_> coppro: same thing :D
23:47:58 <oerjan> they're like several km from each other!
23:48:23 <alise_> coppro: I am placing blame on you in the email; be prepared to justify my crap.
23:48:43 <cpressey> several km indeed
23:48:53 <oerjan> not waterloo/kitchener on the other hand, _that's_ same thing
23:48:55 <alise_> "As a Brit who does not go to the University of Waterloo, does not study mathematics there and is indeed not even in Canada and has never been, clearly mathNEWS is the best publication for me."
23:48:55 <alise_> clearly
23:48:56 <oerjan> *now
23:49:15 <alise_> coppro: okayy, here goes
23:49:31 <cpressey> Ah, southern Ontario.
23:49:37 <alise_> coppro: expect to be contacted about this crazy-ass Brit trying to submit to the paper ASAP
23:49:40 <oerjan> alise_: hey you know with the crazy british libel laws there might even be an argument _for_ that :D
23:49:59 <coppro> alise_: I have a midterm in 10 minutes, but I'll check
23:50:09 <alise_> coppro: I hope they notice that I have <sup> in there which may not work >__>
23:50:16 <alise_> coppro: I didn't send anything to you, but I did blame you.
23:50:25 <oerjan> what <sup>, doc?
23:50:47 <coppro> alise_: it gets previewed
23:53:00 <alise_> coppro: but it's so _long_
23:53:01 <alise_> :P
23:53:23 <alise_> coppro: wonder if gmail's spam filter will block it
23:53:27 <alise_> what with the markup
23:53:44 <coppro> possibly but unlikely
23:53:47 <coppro> have you sent it yet?
23:54:18 <coppro> I'm about to leave; yes or no
23:54:20 <alise_> yes
23:54:22 <coppro> ok
23:54:23 <coppro> bye
23:54:27 <alise_> and i just replied to it :P
23:54:31 <alise_> correcting a formatting error that gmail added
23:54:36 <alise_> also misspelling heads up as head's up...
23:54:57 <oerjan> head <sup>
23:57:11 <cpressey> <head><sup>No, this should be in <body>
23:57:43 <pikhq> Gregor: Google Translate, eh?
23:58:16 * oerjan wonders how many irc clients try to parse html tags
23:58:29 <Gregor> pikhq: Yesh :P
23:58:34 <oerjan> or display them
23:58:44 <Gregor> pikhq: What did it actually say (if it made any sense at all)
23:59:24 <pikhq> Gregor: CTCP ACTION: Mr. 's Japan brokenly speak.
23:59:36 <Gregor> Sounds about right.
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