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00:00:16 <quintopia> is wisdom/intelligence impossible without the capacity to process sensation/input?
00:00:32 <quintopia> i inverted the question too...
00:00:41 <oerjan> i find that a bit weak definition of sentient
00:00:48 <oerjan> _any_ computer would qualify
00:00:52 <alise> quintopia: that's a rubbish replacement, but: yes, it is impossible
00:00:53 <quintopia> i chose a weak definition on purpose
00:01:10 <oerjan> (well any non-broken one)
00:01:37 <oerjan> hm this reminds me of _another_ H2G2 quote
00:02:05 <quintopia> it highlights the distinction well: alise says it's impossible for something to be sapient without doing something so simple every computer already qualifies as being able to do ti
00:04:06 <quintopia> indeed, i like to believe 1) computers _are_ sentient and 2) sentience is not necessarily a prerequisite for sapience, just as I/O is not a prerequisite for TCness
00:04:45 <cheater99> so the coords are w[y,x]?
00:04:53 <alise> cheater99: yes. can i have the code as it is now? i have to go
00:05:02 <alise> quintopia: computers are not sentient.
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00:05:15 <quintopia> alise: be patient. he can always give you the code tomorrow.
00:05:16 <cheater99> just a sec
00:05:33 <alise> quintopia: i did not ask you
00:05:40 <alise> i want to look at it before i go
00:06:13 <cheater99> ok uploadink
00:06:26 <quintopia> alise: i didn't ask you either
00:07:10 <oerjan> "And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super computer which was so amazingly intelligent that even before the data banks had been connected up it had started from I think therefore I am and got as far as the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn it off."
00:07:13 <quintopia> sentience is a very poorly defined thing out there in the real world, so I chose a meaning for it that at least has some measure of testableness to it
00:07:42 <oerjan> (that was damn hard to find exactly)
00:07:59 <quintopia> that is an impressive computer inded
00:08:43 <cheater99> http://pastie.org/1201911.txt?key=2qq4jgnuxzulqebaa8la
00:09:18 <alise> cheater99: dude, you have all these unnecessary spaces! :|
00:09:31 <cheater99> that's to confuse you
00:09:45 <cheater99> so you think..
00:09:54 <cheater99> "gee, that guy is writing well-formatted code."
00:10:05 <cheater99> then you look at this. ((B-11+o(1,11-B))*(1-2*(r(0,10)/10))),(A-40+o(1,40-A)*(1-2*(r(0,10)/10)))
00:10:16 <cheater99> which is the whole of the monster AI
00:10:32 <cpressey> oerjan: you know how they made it so smart? ... pair programming
00:10:44 <alise> cheater99: what the hell does it do?
00:10:53 <cheater99> haha
00:10:58 <quintopia> cpressey: no they used the FULL POWER OF XP!
00:11:27 <cheater99> alise: there's no telling.
00:11:28 <alise> why do you not write to w directly?
00:11:54 <cheater99> well, hasn't mom told you not to clobber data structures you're looping over?
00:12:23 <alise> you're not looping over it with a for loop
00:12:27 <alise> just iteration
00:12:28 <alise> so it's fine
00:12:33 <cheater99> no, it's not
00:12:45 <cheater99> unless you like your monsters to attain the speed of light
00:12:50 <alise> sure
00:12:56 <cheater99> when they're above you in the screen.
00:12:58 <cheater99> :|
00:13:06 <alise> i will have to shorten it you understand >:)
00:13:11 <quintopia> alise: you should follow his lead and replace all your randints with r
00:13:16 <cheater99> won't happen
00:13:17 <alise> yeah i will
00:13:57 <alise> w[v] > 9000:
00:13:59 <alise> dear god what
00:14:06 <quintopia> ahahahaha
00:14:13 <alise> cheater99: THERE IS NO CHARACTER 9000
00:14:25 <cheater99> no
00:14:28 <quintopia> but what if it's over 9000?
00:14:31 <cheater99> but there will be characters OVER 9000.
00:14:36 <alise> cheater99: why
00:14:43 <cheater99> because i told you why.
00:14:48 <alise> no you didn't
00:14:56 * oerjan swats alise -----###
00:14:56 <cheater99> yes i did
00:15:01 <oerjan> MEME DETECTION ERROR
00:15:05 <cheater99> except 9=1
00:15:06 <quintopia> 19:12 < cheater99> when they're above you in the screen.
00:15:12 <cheater99> no
00:15:17 <cheater99> shh quince
00:15:22 <cheater99> alise: it's for gold monsters
00:15:24 <cpressey> omg unicode roguelike display
00:15:25 <alise> oerjan: it's in code
00:15:27 <alise> cheater99: what
00:15:29 <cheater99> i.e. G's
00:15:37 <alise> since when are there Gs
00:15:38 <cheater99> monsters carrying gold
00:15:43 <cheater99> are G's.
00:15:57 <cheater99> they lvl up with gold
00:16:06 <quintopia> neat
00:16:11 <cheater99> !
00:16:14 <alise> you realise that still none of this tries to go near the player :D
00:16:15 <alise> which was the idea
00:16:25 <cheater99> well you have to stop running away
00:16:34 <cheater99> otherwise of course they'll be confused
00:17:04 <quintopia> cheater99: i think he wants monsters that behave exactly like DROD roaches
00:17:23 * oerjan read that as DROP
00:17:33 <oerjan> any relation to drop bears...
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00:17:45 <cheater99> there's a nice exception being generated somewhere
00:17:46 <quintopia> oshit. oerjan is in meme mode
00:17:49 <cheater99> and with that, i'm off to sleep
00:18:08 <cheater99> and btw, something's still a bit fucked :D
00:18:13 <cheater99> because they jump around
00:18:17 <cheater99> but they haven't before
00:18:19 <cheater99> which is weird
00:18:37 <cheater99> alise: what's needed is a log window
00:19:05 <cpressey> log to the serial port
00:19:11 <alise> cheater99: naw
00:20:09 <quintopia> everyone loves a log!
00:20:27 <cpressey> it's big, it's heavy, it's wood
00:20:32 <quintopia> what rolls down stairs/ alone or in pairs/ rolls over your neighbors dog?
00:20:44 <cheater99> found why they were fucked
00:20:52 <cheater99> ((B-11+o(1,11-B))*(1-2*(r(0,10)/10))),(A-40+o(1,40-A)*(1-2*(r(0,10)/10)))
00:20:57 <cheater99> try this
00:23:04 <alise> what is the ai logic?
00:24:06 <quintopia> if i'm reading that right, it just moves closer by a random amount random speed probability thing
00:24:08 <cheater99> this is the ai logic
00:24:13 <oerjan> hyperparainconsistent antiintuitive metapredicate illogic
00:24:26 <cheater99> there is no ai logic other than what i have posted
00:24:30 <cheater99> that line
00:24:59 <alise> explain it :P
00:25:13 <cpressey> oerjan: NO
00:25:37 <cheater99> alise: it's not even esoteric
00:25:41 <cheater99> alise: it's just arithmetic -_-
00:25:43 <oerjan> cpressey: YES and i agree
00:25:47 <cheater99> alise: pls try harder
00:25:47 <alise> cheater99: yes but i'm tired
00:25:50 <alise> and have a headache
00:25:54 <alise> and one of my keys broke
00:25:56 <cheater99> well leave it for tomorrow :p
00:25:59 <alise> and i forgot what the functions are
00:26:04 <cheater99> you'll enjoy it tomorrow
00:26:09 <cheater99> instead of having it given to you today
00:26:19 <quintopia> alise: start by expanding r to randint and o to copysign
00:27:08 <cheater99> they are chasing the player now
00:27:09 <cheater99> :D
00:27:12 <cheater99> cool
00:27:12 <oerjan> its curry-howard isomorphism can only be expressed in extended Malbolge
00:27:14 <cheater99> now to implement G's
00:29:08 <quintopia> cheater99: i'm not actually trying this game, but the player is always at the center, right?
00:29:09 <alise> cheater99: i approve not of your fork ;)
00:29:14 <alise> quintopia: no.
00:29:15 <alise> goodnight bye.
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00:29:20 <cheater99> no.
00:29:46 * quintopia considers more
00:31:16 <quintopia> i guess i don't know what X and Y are supposed to be
00:31:56 <quintopia> is that the current location on the map of the screen top left?
00:33:17 <quintopia> looks right. so then you're looping over the visible screen, and when you find...
00:35:56 <quintopia> a Q?
00:36:05 <quintopia> monster?
00:42:40 <quintopia> and moves it randomly to the left or right, up or down each with probability 1/4 iirtc
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00:50:08 <cheater99> http://pastie.org/private/gaqwdbng4srklx1adb2o6g
00:50:11 <cheater99> there u go
00:51:39 <quintopia> been factored in, i can only assume they give chase now :D
00:52:13 <quintopia> s/been/seeing as have x and y have been/
00:52:39 <quintopia> lagsauce :/
00:52:44 <cheater99> ?
00:52:47 <cheater99> lag?
00:52:48 <cheater99> in what?
00:56:37 <cpressey> copysign, huh
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01:25:15 <Quadlex> Hi everyone
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02:05:42 <oerjan> > do Just test <- Right Nothing; return "hm"
02:05:42 <lambdabot> Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints:
02:05:43 <lambdabot> `GHC.Show.Show a'
02:05:43 <lambdabot> a...
02:06:08 <oerjan> > do Just test <- Right Nothing; return "hm" :: Either String String
02:06:09 <lambdabot> Left "Pattern match failure in do expression at <interactive>:1:136-139"
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02:30:13 <pikhq> *sigh* We're really getting down to needing desperate measures to force IPv6 transitioning.
02:30:54 <Gregor> The ipv4 rapebot.
02:31:24 <pikhq> Something like a major IXP threatening to drop people who don't dual-stack.
02:31:34 <Sgeo> IXP?
02:31:43 <pikhq> Internet Exchange Point.
02:31:45 <Sgeo> Oh, Internet eXchange Point?
02:31:46 <Sgeo> Ah
02:31:48 <Sgeo> >.>
02:31:50 <oerjan> Internet Extermination Protocol
02:32:15 <pikhq> Y'know, where there's tons of peering.
02:32:35 <oerjan> yeah that's probably where the CIA peers over our shoulders
02:32:47 <Gregor> *ba-dum ching*
02:35:27 <Gregor> *ipv4 rapebot rolls in*
02:36:07 <Gregor> <Random sysadmin> Uhh, no, not yet, we're planning on adding support once there's customer demand for it, b--
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02:38:35 <pikhq> oerjan: The NSA actually does have black rooms in US IXPs. (citation: Hepting v. AT&T)
02:39:02 <oerjan> pikhq: hey puns can be based on facts too
02:39:11 <Ilari> Heh... IPv6 is bit lacking. There's no way to properly configure the last mile...
02:39:17 <Ilari> *autoconfigure
02:39:32 <pikhq> Ilari: Whaddya mean?
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02:40:27 <Ilari> pikhq: DHCPv6: Support is poor. RA: Can't configure DNS (at least in most cases).
02:40:46 <Ilari> And no, don't say RDNSS, I know about that.
02:41:04 <pikhq> Clearly we should also have the IPV4 Rapebot go to work on router manufacturers.
02:41:50 <Ilari> More like OS manufacturers...
02:42:02 <pikhq> Which OSes don't support it?
02:42:46 <Gregor> IPV4 Rapebot has many skills.
02:42:48 <pikhq> Aside from XP, which is *more deprecated than Windows 3.1 was when it came out*.
02:42:55 <Gregor> It can rape anyone in need of rape.
02:43:32 <Gregor> pikhq: In spite of the fact that everyone uses it :P
02:43:54 <pikhq> Gregor: Yes, but Microsoft is about to pull the plug on security updates, and that's *all the support it is getting*.
02:43:56 * Ilari grabs some OS updates over IPv6...
02:44:52 <pikhq> That said, if it's that big of an issue, IPV4 Rapebot can go to work on Microsoft.
02:44:59 <pikhq> Surely they can add one more feature.
02:46:09 <oerjan> there is the danger though that microsoft might reverse engineer Rapebot for their own purposes
02:46:21 <pikhq> oerjan: They call it Clippy.
02:46:35 <Ilari> Today's IANA depletion date estimates: 2011-04-20 and 2011-06-01.
02:47:30 <pikhq> Based on current uptake rates, we will be on IPv6 at about 3000.
02:50:24 <Ilari> Soon the IPv6 migration plan in most places will look like this: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2009/12/our-disaster-recovery-plan.png
02:51:51 <Ilari> *many
02:53:10 <pikhq> Why the hell aren't ISPs dual-stack *right now*?
02:55:39 <pikhq> Oh, would you look at that. NTT in Japan (*the* phone company) has offered end-user IPv6 for 10 years now.
02:56:28 <pikhq> Clearly you can only move forward with IPv6 if you're willing to offer gigabit to the home.
03:01:51 <Sgeo> Offered?
03:01:56 <Sgeo> Does the customer have to know about it?
03:02:00 <Sgeo> :/
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03:54:09 <pikhq> Welp, trying to get Teredo running and failing somehow.
04:00:53 <pikhq> Somehow, my NAT is untraversible.
04:01:24 <oerjan> how unNATural
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04:02:09 <Ilari> Somehow "Teredo" sounds better than "Shipworm".
04:02:27 <Ilari> :-)
04:02:36 * pikhq shall be waiting on Sixxs, then.
04:02:51 <pikhq> And I can't use Hurricane Electric because the router here *denies pings*.
04:04:51 <Ilari> NAT on what device?
04:05:11 <pikhq> Stepdad's router.
04:05:23 <Ilari> And presumably no way to portforward protocol 41...
04:05:23 <pikhq> He's perversely paranoid about security.
04:05:45 <pikhq> Though ironically it supports UPnP hole punching.
04:06:00 <pikhq> Proof that a computer science degree does not net you common sense.
04:08:31 <Ilari> The computer that protocol 41 was forwarded to could then route the data for the rest...
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04:10:21 <pikhq> UPnP hole punching does TCP ports only.
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04:11:46 <pikhq> Quite convenient for BitTorrent, but not much else.
04:12:00 <Ilari> And malware...
04:12:19 <pikhq> Quite true.
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04:15:05 <Ilari> pikhq: Teredo not working is probably means one or both of two things: 1) NAT is symmetric or 2) There's extensive port blocking.
04:18:42 <pikhq> Ilari: I *doubt* it's symmetric NAT, so I'm going with UDP port blocking.
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04:27:21 <pikhq> So definitely waiting on Sixxs.
04:45:32 <pikhq> Motherfucking
04:45:35 <pikhq> States now charging for use of public defenders.
04:47:37 <Ilari> Heh... Spammer fined $1,068,928,721.46
04:57:48 <Slereah> NOT ENOUGH
04:57:58 <Slereah> We must steal his bones!
05:00:40 <bsmntbombdood> how can you charge for a public defender?
05:00:50 <pikhq> bsmntbombdood: "Fuck the Supreme Court"
05:01:19 <bsmntbombdood> oh
05:01:46 <pikhq> Basically: by doing so, and nobody appeals it.
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05:25:26 <Sgeo> night\
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07:35:54 <cheater99> hi
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08:40:02 <augur> egg foo young is so delicious omg
08:43:35 <cheater99> egg wat?
08:47:08 <augur> egg foo young
08:47:14 <augur> its basically a chinese-style omelette
08:47:24 <Slereah> Do you
08:47:28 <Slereah> Pity the foo
08:47:32 <augur> no
08:47:35 <cheater99> what's the diff
08:47:37 <cheater99> ?
08:47:43 <augur> cheater99: in theory, nothing
08:47:48 <augur> in practice, EVERYTHING
08:47:53 <cheater99> splain
08:48:39 <augur> i dont know exactly how to explain it
08:48:50 <cheater99> This dish is prepared with beaten eggs and minced ham. From these dishes, Chinese chefs in the United States, at least as early as the 1930s, created a pancake filled with eggs, vegetables, and meat or seafood.
08:48:52 <cheater99> there you go
08:48:55 <cheater99> explained in two sentences.
08:49:26 <augur> that just describes an omelette :|
08:50:04 <augur> it says "pancake" but egg foo young doesnt have any bread
08:50:10 <augur> so who knows what that writer was thinking
08:53:07 <cheater99> pancakes usually don't have any bread in them.
08:53:36 <augur> well, they're a bread-like food
08:53:43 <augur> doughy
08:53:51 <augur> or batter-y, in this case
08:54:00 <augur> but egg foo young doesnt have batter
08:57:08 <cheater99> you know a lot about this
08:57:20 <augur> well, i just ate some!
08:57:20 <cheater99> are you a batter specialist?
08:57:21 <augur> so
08:57:25 <cheater99> the master batter
08:57:27 <augur> batterologist, in fact
08:57:33 <cheater99> *rimshot*
08:58:13 <augur> interestingly, theres a fine line between batter and scrambled egg
08:58:37 <cheater99> oh?
08:59:39 <augur> well, batter is flour, with some other stuff, potentially egg, and often a liquid like milk
08:59:50 <augur> you can easily imagine adding some milk to egg for flavoring or consistency
08:59:54 <augur> or some flour similarly
09:00:00 <augur> but in small quantities
09:00:09 <augur> and still its a kind of fried egg, right
09:00:24 <augur> so when does it stop being fried egg
09:00:30 <augur> i like my pancakes very eggy
09:00:52 <augur> if i used slightly more egg, it would almost be hard to call pancakes
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09:01:13 <augur> when does it cross from egg stuff to batter stuff
09:01:14 <augur> who knows!
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11:38:43 <quintopia> i want to believe the reason xkcd has been sucking more than usual lately is that he's been spending most of his time working on this map...but given how much free time he must have, I'm not holding my breath.
11:44:23 <Slereah> Does he have a job?
11:44:38 <Slereah> Or does he just get internet money
12:13:46 <quintopia> He lives off of xkcd
12:14:08 <quintopia> this map is the sort of thing that would go great on a pictoblog!
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12:27:24 <Vorpal> <alise> Vorpal: hi <-- yes?
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15:41:58 <alise> oh bloody hell, my g key is still broken
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15:49:05 * Phantom_Hoover looks at the map of Agora.
15:49:24 <Phantom_Hoover> "COPPRO STRAIGHT" ← the very same?
15:56:15 <alise> yes.
15:56:17 <alise> that's new
15:56:27 <alise> i disapprove of the modernisation >_>
16:00:44 * Phantom_Hoover has discovered that finite naturals in Coq are trickier than they first appear.
16:01:53 <alise> pikhq: FIX IT
16:01:58 <alise> Phantom_Hoover: finite naturals?
16:02:03 <alise> you mean |Fin n| = n?
16:02:09 <alise> it's easy
16:02:21 <Phantom_Hoover> I said "tricky", not "hard".
16:02:36 <Phantom_Hoover> Defining them is easy enough.
16:02:44 <alise> Inductive fin : nat -> Set := fz : forall n, fin n | fs : fin n -> fin (S n)
16:02:52 <alise> you can also define a function fin : nat -> Set
16:02:55 <alise> this is sometimes more useful
16:03:21 <Phantom_Hoover> Well, for that definition |fin n| = S n, but whatever.
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16:07:41 <alise> Phantom_Hoover: erm, is it?
16:07:47 <alise> fin 0 = {fz : fin 0}
16:07:53 <Phantom_Hoover> Yep.
16:07:55 <alise> fin 1 = {fz : fin 1, fs fz : fin 1}
16:08:01 <Phantom_Hoover> It's irrelevant, though.
16:08:02 <alise> right
16:08:07 <alise> Inductive fin : nat -> Set := fz : forall n, fin (S n) | fs : fin n -> fin (S n)
16:08:10 <alise> that's how it's done, I forgot
16:08:27 <alise> cheater: how goes the AI :P
16:11:12 <Phantom_Hoover> cheater is writing an AI?
16:11:39 <cpressey> alise: last i saw it, it was http://pastie.org/private/gaqwdbng4srklx1adb2o6g
16:12:11 <alise> cpressey: huh, did clog go out?
16:12:13 <alise> that's no in the logs
16:12:16 <alise> (not
16:12:32 <alise> **not
16:12:36 <alise> i disapprove of his silly fork ;)
16:13:04 <cpressey> alise: I AM CLOG NOW
16:13:08 <alise> although r = randint is cool
16:13:12 <alise> Q('Yum! That was delicious.');L+=int(not r(0,2)and r(5,10))
16:13:19 <alise> s.addch(B-Y,A-X,choice(T)if U and not r(0,2)else w[v])
16:13:33 <cpressey> python is such an ick language for golf
16:13:38 <cpressey> all those spaces!
16:13:49 <alise> cpressey: that's why you do evil things!
16:13:57 <Phantom_Hoover> Like lambda abuse?
16:14:02 <alise> s.addstr(22,0,'_'*80);C('$:%-17s T:%-17s S:%-17s HP:%-3s (%s)'%(G,N,S,L,P));s.move(y-Y+11,x-X+40)
16:14:10 <alise> T=[32]*1000+[36,81]*5+[37]*3+[35]*50+[33]
16:14:16 <cpressey> alise: your code is almost READABLE
16:14:16 <alise> elif k=='q'and L and L+20<301:
16:14:16 <alise> q=min(L,20);L+=q;P=max(P-q,0);D()
16:14:31 <alise> cpressey: okay then, tell me what this does
16:14:33 <alise> s.addch(B-Y,A-X,choice(T)if U and not r(0,2)else w[v])
16:14:49 <cpressey> hallu?
16:14:57 <Phantom_Hoover> I love in inconsistent spacing.
16:14:59 <alise> cpressey: I must have told you >__>
16:14:59 <Phantom_Hoover> *the
16:15:12 <cpressey> alise: you di'nt :)
16:15:23 <alise> "not r(0,n-1)" for a 1 in n chance is awesome, though
16:15:29 <alise> in fact, i might define a function for that
16:16:04 <alise> u=lambda n:not r(0,n)
16:16:10 <alise> u(n) is 1 in (n+1) chance
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16:30:21 <alise> ha, my monsters move even when it isn't their turn.
16:36:02 <cpressey> Does lambdabot keep messages for us, too?
16:36:08 <alise> No.
16:36:17 <cpressey> <frownie>
16:36:50 <cpressey> I suppose we could save them as text files in HackEgo, but, notification.
16:37:52 <alise> ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ wc -c vagrant.py
16:37:52 <alise> 1408 vagrant.py
16:37:57 <alise> amazing how much you can do in so little code, isn't it?
16:38:42 <alise> cpressey: does hallu normally allow you to hallucinate yourself as being floor in roguelikes?
16:38:43 <alise> DIDN'T THINK SO
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16:39:36 <Phantom_Hoover> I can golf a shorter one by cheating.
16:39:43 <alise> What, by executing mine? :P
16:39:53 <Phantom_Hoover> No, NetHack.
16:40:19 <Phantom_Hoover> A full-featured roguelike in precisely 7 bytes of shell script!
16:40:38 <Phantom_Hoover> (Assuming appropriate libraries are installed.)
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16:41:09 <cpressey> Yes, the nethack "library"
16:43:24 <Ilari> This tells something about IPv6 deployment status: http://www.mrp.net/IPv6_Survey.html (someone's comment "Un.. fucking.. believable."). Short summary: MAJOR FAIL.
16:43:40 <Phantom_Hoover> cpressey, perfectly reasonable.
16:43:55 <Phantom_Hoover> It's available for all major systems.
16:44:35 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover: I get errors when linking to it
16:44:56 <Phantom_Hoover> cpressey, well, you do with that kind of narrow-minded thinking.
16:45:09 <Phantom_Hoover> Who says library interfaces have to be through linking?
16:45:26 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover: I ALSO CANNOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO BORROW BOOKS FROM IT
16:49:54 <alise> if k in'hyb':a-=1
16:49:54 <alise> if k in'jbn':b+=1
16:49:54 <alise> if k in'kyu':b-=1
16:49:54 <alise> if k in'lun':a+=1
16:49:55 <alise> -------_>
16:49:58 <alise> *--------__>
16:49:59 <alise> *---------->
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16:50:01 <alise> a+=(k in'lun')-(k in'hyb');b+=(k in'jbn')-(k in'kyu')
16:50:09 <alise> BEHOLD IT
16:50:34 <Phantom_Hoover> Is "False" too long?
16:50:39 <alise> Believe it or not, that actually works.
16:50:41 <alise> Phantom_Hoover: Hum?
16:50:44 <Phantom_Hoover> Oops.
16:50:46 <Phantom_Hoover> Ignore.
16:50:49 <alise> I don't have any explicit booleans there.
16:50:52 <alise> Not even in the old version/
16:50:54 <alise> *version.
16:51:05 <alise> In this case a and b are the new x and y we're moving to, and k is the key.
16:51:06 <Phantom_Hoover> I thought that was 'k' in 'lun'
16:51:11 <alise> No :P
16:51:15 <alise> Also, 0 would work instead of False.
16:51:20 <Phantom_Hoover> And hence a pointless way of writing "False".
16:51:24 <alise> This implements hjkl cardinals, and yubn diagonals.
16:51:30 <alise> In two arithmetic statements! Fuck yeah!
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16:59:49 <alise> HOLY SHIT THE QS BREED
17:00:24 <fizzie> cpressey: Maybe I should add message-passing to fungot, then.
17:00:24 <fungot> fizzie: the shit-talking between rounds has to stop. i can't come home and kill a spider. why don't you let us in the sega booth soon. does it have any kryptonite?
17:01:04 <fizzie> fungot: The Sega booth is full of kryptonite, in fact. Stop quoting entire sentences verbatim, you silly bot.
17:01:04 <fungot> fizzie: i didn't know where else to go.
17:03:37 <alise> ^style
17:03:37 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa* speeches ss wp youtube
17:03:45 <alise> aww, quoting it will just be quoting verbatim then :)
17:08:26 <fizzie> I'll try to retrain that model at some point.
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17:18:23 <Phantom_Hoover> Effing rewrite tactic.
17:18:30 <Phantom_Hoover> rewrite thing at 2.
17:18:40 <Phantom_Hoover> WHY DOES THIS NOT WORK
17:19:37 <Ilari> If that page is descriptive of IPv6, the IPv6 deployment plan in many organizations is probably looking like the disaster recovery plan at Dilbert's work...
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17:21:29 <cheater> alise
17:21:33 <cheater> have you seen my new version
17:21:41 <alise> cheater: i saw the one cpressey linked
17:21:47 <cheater> was that today
17:21:50 <Ilari> *soon look like
17:22:02 <alise> and yours is broken btw, monsters move even when it's not a turn
17:22:14 <cheater> yes, it's the one
17:22:28 <cheater> alise: what do you mean?
17:22:43 <cheater> "not a turn"?
17:22:47 <alise> bash into a wall
17:22:49 <alise> see monsters move
17:23:08 <cheater> yeah duh, why are you doing M() if bashing into a wall?
17:23:19 <cheater> you should have a return at the very top for that
17:23:23 <alise> because M() handles it
17:23:25 <alise> there's no M() any more, also
17:23:26 <cheater> yes
17:23:28 <alise> you're working on an older version
17:23:33 <cheater> well fix it
17:23:43 <cheater> it's a nice piece of code i added
17:23:46 <cheater> it has fuzzy ai!
17:23:54 <cheater> the monsters can even walk around obstacles!
17:23:57 <cpressey> Ilari: ... "plan"?
17:23:59 <alise> but i've almost written my own >_>
17:24:07 <cpressey> Ilari: JUST FILE A TICKET
17:24:08 <cheater> hello collaboration
17:24:11 <alise> (yours was part of an older version)
17:24:12 <cheater> :(
17:24:15 <alise> cheater: yeah well i stole some of your code
17:24:15 <alise> :P
17:24:21 <cheater> which
17:24:25 <alise> the actual loop
17:24:39 <cheater> with the AI code in it?
17:24:55 <cheater> with r()?
17:25:01 <cheater> and o()
17:25:03 <alise> well i stole r()
17:25:06 <alise> not o
17:25:09 <cheater> why not o?
17:25:14 <alise> the actual logic i couldn't understand so i couldn't make it run to me :)
17:25:17 <alise> so i didn't need o
17:25:26 <cheater> how could you not understand it?
17:25:30 <cheater> it's very simple
17:26:03 <Phantom_Hoover> Hmm, maybe "at" doesn't bother with nesting...
17:26:13 <cheater> it takes the position of the cell and the position of the player, calculates the vector between them, and then unitarizes that vector
17:26:19 <alise> cheater: well rather i didn't bother to
17:26:23 <alise> >__>
17:26:35 <cheater> then, it randomly flips some of the coordinates at a small probability
17:26:37 <cheater> it's so simple
17:26:39 <cheater> it's a one-liner
17:26:47 <alise> cheater: last i saw, it actually moves to (0,0)
17:26:55 <cheater> you hadn't looked at the new one
17:26:56 <cheater> it's nicer
17:27:06 <cheater> also i made the line mirror-symmetric (kinda..)
17:27:42 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover: That code is a real at's nest.
17:28:10 <cheater> i'm not sure why malbolge is in the topic
17:28:11 * Phantom_Hoover swatpans cpressey --==\#/
17:28:15 <alise> cheater: the new one had some gold monster stuff which i wasn't sure i approved of >_>
17:28:24 <cheater> alise: of course you approve of it
17:28:29 <cheater> alise: think about it, monsters lvling up
17:28:43 <cheater> alise: this means you have to kill monsters quickly otherwise they'll level up too far
17:28:46 <cheater> sort of like in osmos
17:28:47 <cheater> !
17:28:52 <cheater> makes you think hard
17:28:52 <alise> maybe in Super Lotsa Added Stuff Vagrant
17:28:56 <alise> slasv
17:29:00 <cheater> :|
17:29:22 <cheater> :<
17:29:30 <cheater> you could have made that switchable instead
17:29:32 <Phantom_Hoover> Stuff: Lots Added to Vagrant.
17:29:35 <Phantom_Hoover> Slav.
17:29:39 <alise> it's golfed code!!
17:29:43 <cheater> yes
17:29:51 <cheater> and if it gets parametrized it's nicer
17:30:18 <Phantom_Hoover> Golf maintainability.
17:31:16 <cheater> alise: i feel rejected
17:31:18 <cheater> :,
17:31:47 * Phantom_Hoover → stuff
17:32:09 <alise> cheater: you don't understand what golfing is :P
17:32:20 <cheater> ???????????
17:32:25 <cheater> minifying
17:32:54 <alise> cheater: i probably will add them
17:33:08 <cheater> but it won't be my code then
17:33:10 <cheater> ;,<
17:34:25 <alise> bah! :P
17:34:27 <alise> your code has spacse
17:34:28 <alise> *spaces
17:34:38 <alise> my code has breeding Qs
17:34:39 <alise> oh i see why
17:34:44 <alise> r,i,t,u=map(w.get,[(f,e),(d,e),(f,c),(d,c)])
17:34:44 <alise> if r==32:q[f,e]=81
17:34:44 <alise> if i==32:q[d,e]=81
17:34:44 <alise> if t==32:q[f,c]=81
17:34:44 <alise> else:q[d,c]=81
17:34:47 <alise> should be elif
17:34:48 <alise> s
17:35:05 <cheater> my code doesn't have spaces in the new version
17:35:17 <cheater> it was just proof of concept OK????????????////////////
17:35:24 <alise> i'll consider it >_________________________>
17:35:53 <cheater> ; ;
17:38:05 <alise> wow now the monsters run away from me
17:38:09 <alise> come back!
17:39:06 <alise> hmm i need a goto
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17:46:48 <quintopia> you should parameterize monster motion too. some come towards you, some run away, and some wander aimlessly
17:47:05 <cheater> you obviously hadn't seen the data structure
17:47:28 <quintopia> what would take more code but be cooler is if they came toward you only if you've been sitting still too long, like a cat sneaking up on you.
17:47:47 <quintopia> but if you go towards them, they run away
17:48:06 <quintopia> imagine a room full of those!
17:48:43 <quintopia> especially if they have camoflauge! and only appear when they move!
17:48:45 <cheater> easily imagined.
17:50:28 <alise> there are no rooms
17:50:32 <alise> well, apart from emergent ones.
17:50:33 <alise> brb
17:50:59 <quintopia> now that's an idea...
17:51:08 <quintopia> monsters as walls
17:51:41 <quintopia> they strive to stay close to one another, and only move if they can get closer to the player without breaking formation, or if they aren't in formation yet.
17:51:50 <quintopia> so the walls literally close in!
17:51:54 <quintopia> weeoo
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18:16:09 <oerjan> <cpressey> Does lambdabot keep messages for us, too?
18:16:13 <oerjan> it used to
18:16:21 <oerjan> @help tell
18:16:21 <lambdabot> tell <nick> <message>. When <nick> shows activity, tell them <message>.
18:17:27 <oerjan> @tell cpressey Sure it does!
18:17:28 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
18:18:20 <oerjan> there is also MemoServ
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18:44:16 <cpressey> lambdabot: hi there
18:44:39 <olsner> omg, we have a lambdabot now?
18:44:43 <olsner> @botsnack
18:44:44 <lambdabot> :)
18:44:47 <olsner> @botslap
18:44:48 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
18:45:22 <oerjan> cpressey: erm why didn't it tell you :(
18:46:15 <olsner> > fix$(<$>)<$>(:)<*>((<$>((:[{- thor's mother -}])<$>))(=<<)<$>(*)<$>(*2))$1
18:46:16 <lambdabot> [1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768,65536,131072,...
18:46:18 <oerjan> cpressey: try saying something without lambdabot: in front
18:46:27 <cpressey> ok
18:46:27 <lambdabot> cpressey: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
18:46:31 <cpressey> indeed
18:46:40 <cpressey> @messages
18:46:40 <lambdabot> oerjan said 29m 13s ago: Sure it does!
18:47:14 <oerjan> olsner: wtf
18:47:57 <olsner> oerjan: I wrote that :D
18:48:48 <olsner> not the thor's mother comment though, I think it started out with just (:[]) in the middle... a few people've edited the wiki page afterwards
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18:51:32 <olsner> aha, the first version on that wiki page says {- OH MY GOD IT'S A COMMENT!!! -} instead, that'd be from me then
18:53:33 <cpressey> > :t []
18:53:34 <lambdabot> <no location info>: parse error on input `:'
18:54:03 <olsner> :t []
18:54:04 <lambdabot> forall a. [a]
18:54:34 <olsner> the > is only for evaluating expressions
18:54:52 <cpressey> i see
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18:55:33 <olsner> but you can probably enter ill-typed expressions and use the error message to see the type if you want to :D
18:55:57 <oerjan> you can do that to get fixities
18:56:03 <oerjan> > (0$0+)
18:56:04 <lambdabot> The operator `GHC.Num.+' [infixl 6] of a section
18:56:04 <lambdabot> must have lower prece...
18:56:17 <cpressey> > [1,2>3]
18:56:18 <lambdabot> No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Bool.Bool)
18:56:18 <lambdabot> arising from the literal `1'...
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18:57:05 <cpressey> I suppose 2<3 would have been a nicer fake typo
18:57:20 <cpressey> (on my AMERICAN keyboard)
18:57:25 * cpressey waves a little flag
19:01:19 <olsner> is it the *keyboard* or the *layout* that's american?
19:01:38 <cpressey> good point. the keyboard itself is probably chinese.
19:01:49 <olsner> many Model M's are made in ireland iirc
19:02:04 <cpressey> i say this only on the basis of odds.
19:02:34 * cpressey peeks under
19:02:46 <cpressey> yeah, made in china.
19:03:18 <Gregor> But everything in America is made in China.
19:03:27 <olsner> communist keyboard!
19:03:32 <cpressey> Gregor: that's why i liked those odds.
19:03:32 <Gregor> So that's as American as it can be.
19:05:05 <cpressey> :t IO Int
19:05:06 <lambdabot> Not in scope: data constructor `IO'
19:05:06 <lambdabot> Not in scope: data constructor `Int'
19:05:48 <cpressey> :t getChar
19:05:49 <lambdabot> IO Char
19:08:06 <cpressey> :t undefined
19:08:07 <lambdabot> forall a. a
19:08:33 <olsner> so... whence the lambdabot?
19:08:46 <cpressey> :t Just undefined
19:08:47 <lambdabot> forall a. Maybe a
19:08:51 <olsner> I don't think I've seen her in here before
19:08:52 <quintopia> you mean, from whence?
19:09:04 <olsner> quintopia: maybe :)
19:09:08 <alise> olsner: used to
19:09:16 <alise> got her back
19:10:14 <olsner> "From whence has a strong literary precedent, appearing in Shakespeare and the King James Bible as well as in the writings of numerous Victorian-era writers. In recent times, however, it has been criticized as redundant by usage commentators."
19:10:48 <quintopia> damn those usage commentators
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19:11:15 <cpressey> :t >=>
19:11:16 <lambdabot> parse error on input `>=>'
19:11:21 <Gregor> From whence do thy usage commentators come, olsner?
19:11:22 <cpressey> :t '>=>'
19:11:23 <lambdabot> lexical error in string/character literal at character '='
19:11:28 <cpressey> :t (>=>)
19:11:29 <lambdabot> forall a (m :: * -> *) b c. (Monad m) => (a -> m b) -> (b -> m c) -> a -> m c
19:11:38 <olsner> Gregor: *whence, the from is redundant :P
19:11:44 <cpressey> :t ">=>" -- for completeness
19:11:45 <lambdabot> [Char]
19:11:55 <quintopia> olsner is clearly the usage commentator
19:11:59 <Gregor> olsner: Your face is redundant, but you don't see me complaining.
19:12:05 * quintopia makes mashed commentaters
19:12:16 <cpressey> wait, "* -> *"? that's a new one on me
19:12:44 <Gregor> "This function does some shit"
19:12:47 <olsner> cpressey: it's a kind
19:12:51 <cpressey> ah
19:13:22 <olsner> very simplified, '*' is any normal type
19:13:35 <olsner> there's also #, ## and ?
19:14:03 <olsner> (in ghc anyway)
19:14:03 <cpressey> so * -> * is the kind of all one-argument functions?
19:14:10 <cpressey> well, "one argument" pfft
19:14:15 <olsner> one-argument type constructors
19:14:23 <cpressey> right
19:15:10 <cpressey> i was going to say constructors, but it's the type constructor that has a kind, yeah
19:16:22 <olsner> http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/IntermediateTypes has a neat little ascii diagram of the kinds
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19:18:44 <olsner> constructors also have kinds, but I think they'd all just be *
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19:23:28 <cpressey> tail(recursion).
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19:45:37 <SgeoN1> Hello. Showing off #esoteric again
19:45:38 <cpressey> T=tail(recursion(T)).
19:45:55 <fizzie> SgeoN1: Oh no, must we be amusing now?
19:46:13 <olsner> fizzie: amuse! amuse!
19:46:15 <cpressey> I didn't even see SgeoN1 when I typed that. Don't interpret it as an attempt to be amusing.
19:46:45 <fizzie> fungot: Quick, say something amusing!
19:46:45 <fungot> fizzie: fnord/ fnord/ fnord/ fnord.
19:46:53 <fizzie> ...
19:46:56 <olsner> boring
19:47:11 <olsner> SgeoN1: see - utterly boring.
19:48:02 <fizzie> fungot: You're such a disappointment sometimes.
19:48:03 <fungot> fizzie: i can do with a bagpipe?) for fnord macros and expansion.)
19:54:26 <SgeoN1> No longer showing off #esoteric
19:54:45 <olsner> *phew*
19:55:03 <fizzie> SgeoN1: You should warn us in advance that we'd clean the channel up a bit, be more presentable.
19:55:32 <cheater99> cogito ergo dei
19:56:33 <cheater99> oh hi
19:56:36 <yorick> cheater99: wtf
19:56:46 <cheater99> ?
19:56:47 <cheater99> what?
19:56:57 <yorick> cheater99: that doesn't even have a verb!
19:57:06 <yorick> well it does
19:57:11 <yorick> but it makes no sense
19:57:26 <cpressey> fnord is the verb
19:57:28 <cheater99> poor yorick.
19:57:32 <yorick> I think that would need at least two verbs
19:57:56 <olsner> maybe latin doesn't need all the redundant verbs
19:59:07 <yorick> olsner: but there's nothing redundant anything
19:59:10 <yorick> about*
19:59:25 <yorick> "cogito ergo dei" <-- it lacks a second verb and puts a noun instead :/
20:00:02 <olsner> well, then it's just missing a copula, right? do you *really* need to put that down every time?
20:01:17 <yorick> how would that help?
20:01:54 <cheater99> you need to get laid
20:03:47 <fizzie> How would *that* help?
20:04:00 <olsner> how *would* that help?
20:05:06 <fizzie> How would that *help*?
20:05:14 <yorick> *How* would that help?
20:05:27 <olsner> *how* would *that* help?
20:05:35 <yorick> how *would* that *help*
20:05:42 <yorick> ?
20:05:53 * yorick c-c-combo breaker!
20:05:57 <cheater99> haha u loze.
20:06:00 <fizzie> Wow, hud that yelp.
20:06:16 <yorick> cheater99: true, but how would *that* help? :)
20:07:11 <olsner> well, let's just say that obviously *someone* is in need of a latin grammar lesson
20:07:31 <yorick> and it *might* just be me :/
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20:15:55 * olsner watches the waves as they propagate around his abdomen
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20:20:30 <cheater99> alise: hi
20:20:34 <cheater99> alise: how are yoouuu
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20:36:33 <olsner> speaking of edible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_dormouse
20:37:42 <olsner> but it was probably a long time ago you were discussing that
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20:39:54 <Phantom_Hoover> Why does Coq MOCK me?
20:41:37 <olsner> ... and why does Moq COCK you?
20:41:50 <olsner> that makes no sense though
20:44:45 <Phantom_Hoover> I just want to rewrite an expression, and it refuses to do so for no obvious reason.
20:51:25 <yorick> aww poor edible dormice
20:51:37 <yorick> named after their edibility
20:52:10 <olsner> much unlike the great tortoises that were so edible no-one bothered to give them a proper name
20:52:22 <olsner> for a couple of hundred years anyway
21:01:12 <Phantom_Hoover> Stephen Wolfram's ego vs. that of the Apprentice candidates.
21:01:18 <Phantom_Hoover> Which is bigger?
21:01:24 <Phantom_Hoover> There's only one way to find out!
21:01:40 <olsner> this is probably like comparing infinities
21:01:45 <Phantom_Hoover> FIGHT
21:02:04 <Phantom_Hoover> olsner, a TV Burp fight is the standard mechanism of comparing infinities.
21:02:11 <olsner> the question is, which infinity has the largest cardinality
21:02:38 <Phantom_Hoover> Well, I like |N|, and I like |R|. But which is bigger? There's only one way to find out! FIGHT!
21:05:57 <olsner> hmm, how was it this infinity thing worked again? R can burp at least |N| for every |N|, and thus it's bigger?
21:06:46 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover: I have the solution for your Coq problem.
21:07:00 <cpressey> DOUBLE REWRITE!!!
21:07:17 <Phantom_Hoover> cpressey, no...
21:07:28 <olsner> cpressey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WxJECOFg8w
21:07:29 <alise> YES
21:07:41 <alise> olsner: p, sure he knows
21:07:44 <alise> *p.
21:08:19 <olsner> DABBURU KOMPAIRU
21:09:20 <cpressey> DABBURU REARAITU
21:13:35 <cheater99> how the fuck do you use the triplet mode on a tb 303
21:14:41 <Phantom_Hoover> cpressey, anyway, my problem is basically that I can't right-rewrite then left-rewrite.
21:15:00 <alise> cpressey doesn't know Coq
21:15:05 <Phantom_Hoover> I know this.
21:17:41 <alise> back, finally
21:17:46 <alise> cheater99: i am just fine thank you
21:18:08 <cheater99> very well, because i am not
21:18:12 <alise> why not
21:18:14 <alise> can i just say that vagrant's code is awesome
21:18:16 <cheater99> i can't figure out how to program this thing
21:18:22 <cheater99> you should download the manual
21:18:27 <cheater99> it's like the fucking intercal manual
21:18:32 <alise> try smiling
21:18:35 <cheater99> except it doesn't make sense
21:18:38 <cheater99> i'm smiling
21:18:38 <cheater99> !
21:19:04 * cheater99 gives alise a hug for lightening up his day.
21:19:10 <cheater99> so yes
21:19:12 <cheater99> the manual sucks
21:19:38 <Phantom_Hoover> For what?
21:19:40 <Phantom_Hoover> Vagrant?
21:20:06 <alise> no
21:20:10 <alise> for this thing cheater99 is using
21:20:37 <alise> can you set a global exception handler in python?
21:21:52 <alise> aha
21:21:54 <alise> sys.excepthook
21:23:37 <Phantom_Hoover> What's he using?
21:24:40 <cheater99> alise: just put everything in a try/catch.
21:25:01 <alise> cheater99: no, that'd fuck up the indentation
21:25:03 <alise> i have solved it
21:25:08 <alise> [[
21:25:13 <alise> import sys
21:25:13 <alise> def hook(t,v,b):endwin();sys.__excepthook__(t,v,b)
21:25:14 <alise> sys.excepthook=hook
21:25:14 <alise> execfile('vagrant.py')
21:25:14 <alise> ]]
21:25:15 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover: a drum machine, I gather?
21:25:17 <alise> this is debug.py
21:25:30 <alise> and yes, it is evil to use endwin like that without importing it myself but I DON'T CARE
21:25:35 <Phantom_Hoover> cpressey, what, Coq?
21:25:44 <alise> ...
21:25:56 <Phantom_Hoover> Oh, cheater99's thing?
21:25:58 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover: No, Coq is a theorem prover.
21:26:31 <cpressey> Confusing drum machines and theorem provers. Just another wonderful service provided by your local #esoteric.
21:26:45 <cpressey> Well, not local exactly.
21:27:28 <Phantom_Hoover> cheater99, drum machine as in machine which makes drum noises?
21:27:52 <alise> HEY cheater99 DEBUG MY AI CODE :P
21:28:09 <cpressey> I thought it was called a TR-303... maybe this is another model
21:28:48 <Phantom_Hoover> TB-303?
21:29:08 <yorick> new SGU is notably better than previous ep
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21:30:17 <Phantom_Hoover> SGU is the Voyager of Stargate, yes?
21:30:19 -!- cheater99 has joined.
21:30:35 <Phantom_Hoover> Where Voyager is the Phantom Menace of Star Trek.
21:31:00 <yorick> yes
21:32:28 <Phantom_Hoover> Oh, god, Randall Munroe hasn't rehashed Online Communities, has he?
21:33:05 <olsner> lunch conversation indicates he has
21:34:44 <yorick> Phantom_Hoover: he has
21:36:08 <alise> cheater: bah, Q with p=0 doesn't work :(
21:37:26 <cheater99> cpressey: it's actually a bass synthesizer.
21:37:45 <cheater99> alise: p=what?
21:37:53 <alise> Q() function
21:37:58 <alise> p is second parameter (wait for response or not)
21:38:02 <cheater99> Q() is just an echo
21:38:03 <cheater99> isn't it
21:38:03 <alise> Q(foo), if done before D(), just gets wiped out
21:38:06 <cheater99> oh ok
21:38:07 <alise> by the status line
21:38:11 <alise> whereas, as it's a message function
21:38:12 <alise> it should persist
21:38:16 <alise> i'm trying to fix it right now
21:38:38 <cheater99> the great thing about this thing is
21:38:41 <cheater99> it has a built in sequencer
21:38:47 <cheater99> it's light and small and battery operated
21:38:56 <cheater99> which means you can take it with you to the toilet
21:39:00 <alise> cheater99: does your Q work??
21:39:07 <cheater99> i don't know
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21:39:21 <cheater99> i abandoned the project after a frosty rejection from the core team
21:39:22 <alise> hmm mine is *seriously* fucked up
21:39:28 <alise> oic
21:39:28 <cheater99> :-|
21:39:32 <alise> i fixed it
21:39:36 <alise> cheater99: i was just joking y'know.
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21:39:46 <cheater99> </3 :(
21:39:53 <cheater99> u brk my hrt
21:39:59 <cheater99> alise: let's golf chat
21:40:20 <alise> oh i see
21:40:24 <alise> they wipe everyone out indiscriminately
21:40:29 <cheater99> hw th fk dd thy obltr8 e/o
21:41:01 <cheater99> alise: you need the masking array, otherwise you're fuck'd
21:41:13 <cheater99> i mean,
21:41:27 <cheater99> u nd d makin arry, or ur fkd
21:41:37 <cheater99> *maskin
21:41:49 <Phantom_Hoover> Randy's pictoblog really needs to be made.
21:42:11 <alise> cheater99: i have a masking array.
21:42:14 <alise> dood.
21:42:24 <cheater99> how do you know i'm a dood?
21:42:33 <cheater99> i could be a girl
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21:42:36 <alise> i have managed to break even normal Q awesome.
21:42:36 <cheater99> or a boy
21:42:39 <cheater99> or something else.
21:42:55 <olsner> dood applies regardless
21:43:38 <yorick> cheater99: no one in this channel is a girl
21:43:45 <yorick> doesn't happen.
21:43:57 <alise> yorick: did, about four times IIRC
21:44:01 <alise> (I worked it out once)
21:44:33 <Phantom_Hoover> A whole 4??
21:44:50 <alise> oh so that's what i did
21:44:51 <alise> Phantom_Hoover: yes
21:45:08 <Phantom_Hoover> At once or over the entire lifetime?
21:47:20 <alise> yay it works now
21:47:22 <alise> Phantom_Hoover: lifetime
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21:47:44 <Phantom_Hoover> alise, how'd you come to that figure?
21:47:59 <alise> Phantom_Hoover: counting all the females I know to have been in here
21:48:43 <Vorpal> alise, wtf at rerunning the map thing. It was quite nice first time, and redoing it could work, just not as a comic, maybe something to post on his blog or such
21:48:56 <alise> it's not a comic, it's a picto-blo
21:48:57 <alise> *blog
21:49:01 <Vorpal> heh
21:49:13 <Vorpal> alise, but I like the lifeboats marked in that picture
21:49:19 <Vorpal> leaving digg and going for reddit
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21:51:30 <Phantom_Hoover> Where's Digg, approximately?
21:51:56 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, a bit above IRC Isles
21:52:00 <Vorpal> s/ / /
21:52:03 * alise realises that "not r(0,2)" is longer than "r(0,2)==0", cries
21:52:04 <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo, it has ActiveWorlds on it.
21:52:15 <alise> Q('Yum! That was delicious.');L+=int(0==r(0,2)and r(5,10))
21:52:18 <alise> Guess why the 0 comes first.
21:52:27 <Phantom_Hoover> Because of the and.
21:52:39 <alise> Phantom_Hoover: yep :D so I can have the )
21:52:42 <alise> so i can avoid a space
21:53:14 <Sgeo> o.O awesome!
21:54:55 <Phantom_Hoover> Sgeo, it's a minuscule appendix to Second Life.
21:55:02 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, if you can't find irc isles, it is next to usenet.
21:55:38 <Sgeo> It looks a bit big, tbh
21:55:54 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, where is second life?
21:55:55 <Phantom_Hoover> Usenet is slightly smaller than IRC on that map, but I've already found it.
21:56:23 <Phantom_Hoover> Vorpal, next to MMO Isle.
21:56:32 <Phantom_Hoover> in the Gulf of Lag.
21:56:36 <Vorpal> ah
21:56:37 <Vorpal> there
21:56:49 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, did you spot the invasion fleet btw?
21:56:54 <Vorpal> (not the same as the lifeboats)
21:57:04 <cheater99> jesus, why is gmail so sluggish
21:57:32 <cpressey> alise: females in here intentionally, or including those who wander in here for other reasons?
21:57:54 <Phantom_Hoover> Vorpal, no.
21:57:55 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, oh and is "subspace" just a star trek reference, or some game? It is next to MMO Isle, opposite to second life
21:58:24 <cheater99> wait
21:58:28 <cheater99> alise is not female????
21:58:39 <cpressey> alise: Oh and golf your user messages. Q('Mm!') should suffice.
21:58:48 <Phantom_Hoover> Vorpal, don't know, Where's the fleet?
21:58:58 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, next to google talk
21:59:05 <cpressey> Q('Gak!') for poison.
21:59:08 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, which is close to skype
21:59:24 <Phantom_Hoover> Vorpal, who is invading whom?
21:59:40 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, I don't know
22:00:01 <Phantom_Hoover> I'd assume Google Talk is the invader, but whatever.
22:00:37 <alise> cpressey: intentionally
22:00:41 <Phantom_Hoover> Subspace seems to be a mumorpeger per Google
22:00:41 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, what is "kayne's isle of sadness", in whaler sound next to google talk
22:00:44 <alise> Also, no golfing messages :P
22:00:50 <alise> Playable roguelike, tiny code.
22:00:54 <cheater99> alise: btw
22:00:55 * alise is typing from his replacement keyboard...
22:00:57 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, mumorpeger eh? *googles wtf that is*
22:00:58 <alise> Quite nice for a Logitech.
22:01:03 <alise> "Slim" but not hopelessly so, and a nice tactile action.
22:01:03 <cheater99> alise: have you ever done anything with uC's?
22:01:09 <alise> cheater99: expand uC
22:01:12 <cheater99> alise: or vhdl?
22:01:13 <Vorpal> Urban Dictionary: mumorpeger
22:01:13 <Vorpal> A different way to say MMORPG. (Massively multiplayer online role-playing game)
22:01:14 <Vorpal> ah
22:01:25 <cheater99> alise: microcontroller.
22:01:35 <cpressey> alise: baudot
22:01:40 <alise> cheater99: no, but sounds fun
22:01:54 <cheater99> i think fpga could be fun 4 u
22:01:59 <cheater99> because it's like gate arrays
22:02:03 <cheater99> that can modify themselves on the fly
22:02:08 <cheater99> and it's an important part of the process
22:02:08 <Vorpal> cheater99, what does uC stand for? I mean it doesn't really expand to microcontroller
22:02:13 <cheater99> so, game of life, in hardware
22:02:15 <cheater99> pretty much
22:02:15 <Phantom_Hoover> We know what FPGAs are.
22:02:16 <Vorpal> cheater99, µC would make some sort of sense
22:02:18 <Vorpal> but not uC
22:02:22 <cpressey> cheater99: for certain values of "fly"
22:02:23 <alise> The quick brown fox jumpwedover my bix sphynx of qwertz.
22:02:24 <Phantom_Hoover> Vorpal, O.o
22:02:25 <cheater99> Vorpal: u suck
22:02:36 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, hm?
22:02:42 <Phantom_Hoover> Do tell us a method of typing mu easily.
22:02:49 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, easy: altgr-m
22:03:04 <Phantom_Hoover> Ah.
22:03:10 <cpressey> Vorpal: that just makes Outlook pop up!
22:03:11 <Phantom_Hoover> AltGr is stupid, but anyway...
22:03:12 <Vorpal> I believe that will work on US international too
22:03:16 <cheater99> i hate you, gmail
22:03:19 <Vorpal> just not US
22:03:25 <Vorpal> cpressey, what?
22:04:02 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, why is altgr stupid?
22:04:07 <Vorpal> it is just ISO level 3 shift
22:04:19 <Phantom_Hoover> It's just... illogical.
22:04:28 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, okay, why is it illogical?
22:04:47 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, they key bindings on it? To some extent yes.
22:04:51 <Phantom_Hoover> AG-m -> µ, AG-d → ð, AG-p → þ
22:04:54 <Vorpal> you could repmap them
22:05:06 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, ð makes sense for icelandic iirc?
22:05:19 <Vorpal> and the þ one *looks* similar
22:05:24 <Vorpal> like a p kind of
22:05:36 <cpressey> Vorpal: PowerShell
22:05:40 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, and µ is pronounced "mu" starting with m
22:05:55 <Vorpal> cpressey, well, I don't know for windows, do tell me if you find how to type µ there
22:05:56 <cpressey> Huh, I can't Alt+252 to get those gnarly chars
22:06:00 <Vorpal> I'm on linux so
22:06:02 <cpressey> what kind of PowerShell is that
22:06:11 <Phantom_Hoover> AG-l → ł, AG-f → đ
22:06:13 <Vorpal> cpressey, "power(less)shell" :P
22:06:20 <Phantom_Hoover> SUCH WIT
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22:08:34 * pikhq can has 2001:1938:81:169::2 !
22:09:09 <Phantom_Hoover> Doesn't look like it...
22:09:21 * pikhq mutters
22:09:42 -!- alise has quit (Client Quit).
22:09:48 <pikhq> I can ping over IPv6... ::1 and 2001:1938:81:169::1.
22:10:30 <pikhq> So the tunnel's up and... Nothing's being forwarded?
22:11:18 <Vorpal> pikhq, sixxs?
22:11:27 <pikhq> Yup.
22:11:44 <Vorpal> just the ::1 and ::2 pattern was familiar
22:11:53 <pikhq> And my IPv6 routing table seems to be set right.
22:12:02 <Vorpal> pikhq, aiccu?
22:12:06 <pikhq> Yup.
22:12:19 <Vorpal> pikhq, it was a PITA under gentoo
22:12:23 <Vorpal> pikhq, works like a charm under arch
22:12:29 <pikhq> emerge aiccu;/etc/init.d/aiccu start
22:12:35 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, can you read the text in the dark area on the youtube island?
22:12:43 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, I can't figure out what it says
22:12:50 <Vorpal> pikhq, yes but getting it actually working
22:12:51 <Vorpal> I meant
22:12:59 <Vorpal> pikhq, let me check old /etc stuff
22:13:03 <Phantom_Hoover> Functional eyes to the rescue!
22:13:07 <pikhq> It's definitely running and I'm definitely getting IPv6 packets going through the link.
22:13:14 <cpressey> from future import ipv6
22:13:27 <Phantom_Hoover> OK Go bay?
22:13:28 <cpressey> __, __, __
22:13:31 <pikhq> It's just not *routing* anything from there.
22:13:40 <Vorpal> pikhq, msg?
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22:14:30 <alise> How is one meant to use a laptop on a computer stand?
22:14:35 <alise> The screen is too small!
22:15:02 <Phantom_Hoover> So wait, how long will it be until ISPs actually start using IPv6?
22:15:44 <alise> a few already do
22:16:17 <fizzie> Mine's been doing native end-user v6 for at least three years now.
22:16:52 <Phantom_Hoover> Things that annoy me: people who say "so-called" when they mean to indicate inaccuracy.
22:17:16 <alise> Things that annoy me: People who get annoyed by too many things.
22:17:25 <alise> Flaw of this keyboard: The spacebar is curved! Why?!
22:17:33 <cpressey> this so-called keyboard
22:18:02 <Phantom_Hoover> Things that annoy me: People who feel the need to get a sense of self-superiority by not complaining about things.
22:18:14 <Vorpal> <Phantom_Hoover> OK Go bay? <-- hm, any clue what that refers to?
22:18:23 <Phantom_Hoover> The band?
22:18:31 <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, eh, okay?
22:18:33 <Vorpal> whatever
22:18:37 <Phantom_Hoover> Of the Rube Goldberg video and the treadmills?
22:18:47 <Phantom_Hoover> von Neumann machine video.
22:18:50 <Phantom_Hoover> It must be done.
22:19:23 <alise> <Phantom_Hoover> Things that annoy me: People who feel the need to get a sense of self-superiority by not complaining about things.
22:19:31 <alise> ditto, but mentioning them all is really not required :p
22:19:49 <alise> Phantom_Hoover: I rate the probability that Vorpal knows who OK Go are as something like zero.
22:20:02 <Phantom_Hoover> I rate it as less than zero.
22:20:12 <alise> "if this is true, everything else is LESS THAN FALSE"
22:20:53 <pikhq> \o/
22:20:55 <pikhq> IPv6.
22:21:07 <alise> IPv6, it's like IPv4 except now DNS is doubly required!
22:21:36 <pikhq> Eh, running DNS on localhost; not a big deal.
22:21:42 <cpressey> DOUBLE RESOLVE!!!
22:21:52 <alise> (the rube goldberg machine video if anyone hasn't seen it, i hadn't: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w)
22:21:58 <alise> awesome.
22:22:00 <Phantom_Hoover> Well, P(Vorpal knows about OK Go \/ the Pope's a Catholic) = 0
22:23:00 <alise> That's because P(the Pope's a Catholic) = 0
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22:28:32 <quintopia> alise: link the dogs video too. it's my second favorite.
22:28:47 <cpressey> because he no longer has his magic hat
22:29:21 * quintopia steals back the Pope's hat from cpressey
22:29:40 <alise> quintopia: that one's awesome too (and has better music)
22:29:58 <alise> "OK Go? Yeah, that's the video guys who make their own soundtrack, right?"
22:30:14 <Sgeo> I thought \/ was or
22:30:20 <Sgeo> Oh, hm
22:30:36 <alise> it is
22:30:37 <Sgeo> I guess that's what alise's P(the Pope's a Catholic) = 0 is pointing out
22:30:48 <alise> no, that was just a random joke
22:31:20 <alise> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHlJODYBLKs to satisfy quintopia
22:32:50 <cpressey> so are imported modules like dynamically scoped in Python?
22:34:13 <cpressey> no that's not right
22:34:19 <cpressey> stupidest scope rules ever
22:34:31 * alise watches as his Mac does Game of Life
22:34:32 <alise> Screensaver!
22:34:40 <Sgeo> hmm?
22:35:32 <alise> GoL is my Mac's screensaver.
22:35:56 <Sgeo> I meant @ cpressey
22:37:09 <cpressey> Sgeo: an example needs at least 3 files so is hard to give
22:37:49 <cpressey> if a and b both import common, and a changes common.foo and calls something in b, and the thing in b looks at common.foo, it sees the change that a made
22:38:04 <cpressey> which is fine
22:38:10 <cpressey> but it doesn't always seem to happen
22:38:12 <Sgeo> I used that to do project-global variables in PSOX >.>
22:38:14 <cpressey> there is something else going on
22:39:05 <cpressey> oh wait i bet it is
22:39:37 <quintopia> alise: you has a Mac? o.o
22:39:55 <quintopia> you should make a generalized vant screensaver.
22:40:07 <alise> quintopia: (1) yes, since 2006; (2) what's vant?
22:40:34 <quintopia> the clas of automata in which langton's ant falls
22:40:38 <alise> mmf, this keyboard needs the numpad lobbing off, it's great though
22:40:57 <Vorpal> <cpressey> DOUBLE RESOLVE!!! <-- do you have the resolve required to implement this?
22:41:28 <Sgeo> WHat's wrong with the numpad?
22:43:13 <Phantom_Hoover> It's EEEVVVILLLL
22:43:43 <Phantom_Hoover> Hmm, how can I get more nerd cred than having Life as my screensaver?
22:44:05 <Phantom_Hoover> I like electricsheep, too, so changing it will need a good reason.
22:44:06 <Sgeo> turing machine?
22:44:07 <cpressey> re py, i was confused by two modules with the same name in different packages.
22:44:11 <cpressey> still worst scoping EVAR
22:44:38 <alise> Phantom_Hoover: I have no screensaver on this box.
22:44:51 <quintopia> Phantom_Hoover: Mersenne Search...
22:44:51 <alise> The mac just runs a randomised Game of Life with one pixel per cell.
22:44:53 <Phantom_Hoover> But how will you save your screen?
22:44:54 <alise> Surprisingly fast, too.
22:44:57 <alise> About 100 gens/sec.
22:45:01 <alise> A bit less after a while; 95 or so.
22:45:05 <alise> Starts at like 125.
22:45:39 <quintopia> that's silly
22:45:50 <quintopia> should be able to set the speed
22:46:06 <quintopia> i like to run around 10000gens/sec...
22:46:10 <quintopia> <3 hashlife
22:46:42 <quintopia> Phantom_Hoover: run GoL as your screensaver, 1 cell per pixel, with Caterpillar as the default pattern
22:46:47 <quintopia> SUPER AWESOME CRED
22:47:06 <alise> quintopia: it's 1680x1050
22:47:10 <alise> and a screensaver
22:47:12 <alise> it shouldn't be too fast
22:47:18 <alise> also:
22:47:22 <alise> hashlife is rubbish for viewing things interactively
22:47:29 <alise> since different areas are on different generations
22:47:57 <alise> ohh that's what i did wrong
22:48:07 <quintopia> it's not rubbish for watching Caterpillar. Phantom_Hoover: if you do that, it should automatically scroll upwards to follow it.
22:48:27 <quintopia> alise: 1680x1050 is not quite enough to fit entire caterpillar sideways is it :/
22:48:37 <alise> lawl
22:48:47 <cpressey> Phantom_Hoover: I saw one that cycled through a bunch of nerdly pursuits, including kite-and-dart tiling the screen
22:49:00 <cpressey> That's more nerd crud than I can handle
22:49:04 <cpressey> *cred
22:49:17 <cpressey> (or *did* I...?)
22:50:23 <quintopia> oh, another neat SS would be one where it zooms into a single random pixel on the last desktop/screen you had open when it kicked it, and that pixel contains an entire color-shifted copy of the original screen in it...recursive zooming forever
22:50:42 <quintopia> not much nerd cred for that tho. it'd just look cool.
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22:51:00 <alise> it'd become solid, though
22:51:29 <quintopia> you could fudge it
22:51:38 <quintopia> slowly remove the color shifting as you zoom or something
22:54:12 <cpressey> hg revert --all
22:54:52 <cpressey> PowerShell continues to disappoint me. You're all still here.
22:57:21 <alise> cheater: can I hire you as my AI consultant? I have a working framework for it now >__>
23:01:29 <alise> http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2010/10/the-ly-domain-space-to-be-considered-unsafe/ Using domains in the TLDs of countries you can't trust: surprisingly, a bad idea! trust
23:01:37 <alise> tl;dr use .ly, follow sharia law
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23:16:05 <Sgeo> The past that we shared / Lost to the Waves / My journey here / a lifetime ago / and all that I was / is lost, to the waves
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23:17:38 <Sgeo> Got a lyrics wrong :/
23:17:42 <Sgeo> "The past but a shade"
23:17:46 <Sgeo> That makes more sense
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23:31:05 <alise> Maybe I should start quoting random lyrics!
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23:34:23 <oerjan> * olsner watches the waves as they propagate around his abdomen <-- wait were you ircing in the bathtub or something?
23:39:18 <oerjan> <Phantom_Hoover> Oh, god, Randall Munroe hasn't rehashed Online Communities, has he?
23:39:30 <oerjan> Sgeo will be happy that i noticed Active Worlds in there
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23:44:09 <oerjan> (also i learned something new from the hovertext today)
23:47:05 <oerjan> <cheater99> i could be a girl <-- at this point i wouldn't believe it if you claimed to be
23:47:30 <oerjan> just my impression
23:50:15 <alise> P(cheater99 is a girl) = minuscule
23:50:16 <alise> :P
23:51:08 <oerjan> <cheater99> alise is not female???? <-- i am almost sure this has been pointed out to you before
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23:52:21 <oerjan> <Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, oh and is "subspace" just a star trek reference, or some game? It is next to MMO Isle, opposite to second life
23:52:27 <oerjan> hm i wondered about that too
23:53:24 <alise> subspace is used in like everything
23:53:35 <alise> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubSpace_(video_game) but somehow I *doubt*
23:53:49 <oerjan> yeah that's the closest i found too
23:54:05 <Sgeo> It has to be under the water for some reason
23:54:07 <oerjan> it's an MMO, so...
23:55:15 <oerjan> i am assuming it's not the record label :D
23:55:47 <oerjan> well since it _is_ next to MMO isle i guess it's pretty clear
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23:58:17 <oerjan> > ['a'..'z'] \\ (nub . sort . map toLower) "The quick brown fox jumpwedover my bix sphynx of qwertz."
23:58:18 <lambdabot> "agl"
23:58:23 <oerjan> FAIL
23:59:05 <Sgeo> > (nub . sort . map toLower) "The quick brown fox jumpwedover my bix sphynx of qwertz."
23:59:06 <lambdabot> " .bcdefhijkmnopqrstuvwxyz"
23:59:42 <alise> cheater: how much to have you consult on AI??
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