< 1286582402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i like how that appeared after the larry wall comment < 1286582407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Isn't Larry Wall something too?" "Naked!" < 1286582410 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was just going to say < 1286582414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Larry Wall is just plain Christian < 1286582423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1286582424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While in graduate school at UC Berkeley, Wall and his wife were studying linguistics with the intention afterwards of finding an unwritten language, perhaps in Africa, and creating a writing system for it. They would then use this new writing system to translate various texts into the language, among them the Bible." < 1286582436 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1286582442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a biblinguist < 1286582444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give a native culture a language... and a new religion! < 1286582449 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're fun < 1286582461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind trying to bring them into the enlightened, scientific age. Or leaving them alone; no! We'll EVOLVE their backwardsness. < 1286582469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. CREATE their backwardsness! No, wait, that's not right... DAMN YOU DARWIN! < 1286582503 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll bring advanced Western backwardsness to them! < 1286582513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully, Perl is both crazy and Wall a bit loopy. < 1286582519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no cognitive dissonance! < 1286582580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION can has ie6, ie7, and ie8 app-specific VMs!
< 1286582587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286582590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wine installs. < 1286582592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not VMs. < 1286582593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO EXPERIENCE THREE PAINS AT ONCE < 1286582599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DIFFERENT PAINS < 1286582600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: INDEED < 1286582618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A scale model of the Universe is not actually that hard to make. If you make a model the size of a basketball, then to scale everything in the Universe is smaller than an atom, so there's no need to even bother putting it in there. < 1286582618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just take a spherical container and pump the air out. Voilà!" --DMM < 1286582622 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have know idea how desirable that setup is for testing in web-based companies < 1286582623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE PROJECT OBTAINED < 1286582628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a SCALE MODEL of the ENTIRE universe." < 1286582635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: *no < 1286582640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, you could have just used IEs4Linux. < 1286582645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ... does all that for you. < 1286582649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, now make each wine install CoW. < 1286582656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, maybe not the per-app Wine installs. < 1286582658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does it somehow. < 1286582668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Expand acronym. < 1286582680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copy on Write. < 1286582691 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you know, you have no idea" got mangled on the way to the keyboard < 1286582693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you don't have 50 copies of each file. < 1286582706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought CoW was some application. < 1286582724 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Committee of WarCraft < 1286582729 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Warcraft < 1286582755 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an exciting massively multiplayer online game about the back-office aspect of warfare < 1286582771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: IEs4Linux is old and crufty and does obnoxious things that WINE doesn't need anymore. < 1286582780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, IE8 doesn't appear to work in WINE ATM. < 1286582786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's also that great thing: convenient. < 1286582793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>__> < 1286582798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay so it doesn't work any more. < 1286582800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, but it also creates a borken IE7. < 1286582800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever. < 1286582806 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there's a Wikipedia FUSE. < 1286582809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And slightly borken IE6. < 1286582811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/ies4linux < 1286582813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE6 too. < 1286582814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crashes. < 1286582839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP's article says among its disadvantages are that it a) doesn't work and b) isn't maintained any more. < 1286582841 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: read-only, or can I make updates? < 1286582845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D < 1286582849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work, but it is maintained! < 1286582856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: BUT HOW EDIT SUMMARY FROM EDITOR??? < 1286582858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a basically-perfect IE6 and an IE7 with graphical glitches. < 1286582861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILESYSTEM INSUFFICIENT FOR WIKIWATCHERS < 1286582863 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm /mnt/wikipedia/* < 1286582870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Basically perfect [...] with [flaws]" < 1286582873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That word. < 1286582877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think it means what you think it means. < 1286582906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, IE6 is pretty much perfect, and IE7 has a couple of graphical glitches. < 1286582910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1286582914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the "an". < 1286582929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Jarring thing in the 2008/2009 IWC apocalypse: Somehow Espionage didn't get destroyed??? < 1286582932 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The graphical glitches are *just* on its toolbar. < 1286582939 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nor did Fantasy. < 1286582941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then how did the universe get destroyed, if everyone has to destroy it at once for that to happen? < 1286582951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did it just say multiple? Regardless: < 1286582955 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that the Fantasy and Espionage universes are separate. < 1286582957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you claim that the *entire universe* has been destroyed? < 1286582961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So they have no Death? < 1286582964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Hrm, it appears to render things oddly, too. < 1286582967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's pretty clearly only one Death canon. < 1286582976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that canon said "yo, everyone died". < 1286582989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also, blatantly false -- see crossovers on http://irregularwebcomic.net/cast/. < 1286582999 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the only issues I see with IE6 are... IE6. < 1286583004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, Death *first appeared* in Fantasy. < 1286583014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Conclusion: THIS MAKES NO SENSE < 1286583040 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the only Fantasy-¬{Death} crossover I can think of was very contrived and clearly a one-off joke. < 1286583080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irregularwebcomic.net/cast/ < 1286583087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been three non-Death Fantasy crossovers. < 1286583093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And four non-Death Space crossovers. < 1286583097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And furthermore, Death is the important one. < 1286583101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death *started* in Fantasy. < 1286583104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same Death all the way through. < 1286583109 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wtf < 1286583110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that Death organisation said that everyone died. < 1286583123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So everyone *must* *have* *died*, so *WHAT HAPPENED TO ESPIONAGE AND SPACE?* < 1286583132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, perhaps they run a multidimensional operation. < 1286583134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHAT. < 1286583140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They said "multiple realities". < 1286583142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They accounted for that. < 1286583148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every twindly bit of universe was destroyed, sez they. < 1286583263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMM is too nice. Just the annotations where he goes on about stuff. < 1286583266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far too pleasant. < 1286583282 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have the Fantasy Deaths and the main theme universe Deaths ever been explicitly linked, other than sharing names? < 1286583307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, yes. < 1286583324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: In conclusion: MAJOR PLOT HOLE < 1286583346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say it's minor, IWC has a concrete plot and the frickin' universe got destroyed, any flaw in that involving UNIVERSES STILL EXISTING is major :P < 1286583347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, perhaps the Deaths have their own subtle plans. < 1286583356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well... OTOH < 1286583362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fantasy and Space are both accounts of IRL RPG games. < 1286583366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or purport to be. < 1286583373 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the IWCverse is currently hurtling towards another cataclysm. < 1286583377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you COULD argue -- although this has holes -- that since only the fictional universe got destroyed, they didn't. < 1286583384 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps some more canon welding will occur. < 1286583386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is obviously hokum for so many reasons, but it almost gets you out of it. Sort of. < 1286583396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Space was in the 2009 apocalypse. < 1286583398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I suggest we tell him to fix it! :P < 1286583401 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1286583401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, right. < 1286583416 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I doubt he hasn't noticed. < 1286583417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes? < 1286583425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Has he fully considered the implications, though?!?! < 1286583441 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i refuse to say < 1286583450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You're exasperated at our canon arguments. :| < 1286583452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADMIT IT < 1286583454 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: got nu vagrant? < 1286583460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, we speak of the inventor of Piet. He has endless complexities beyond our ken. < 1286583469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sure, got tolerance for clingy Q fangirls that hover around you and never attack? < 1286583476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also currently ungolfed code to do so? < 1286583479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz that's what i've got right now < 1286583490 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: sure why not < 1286583519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: plan to change the code? if you do i'd better upload debug.py as well < 1286583534 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: prolly not but WHO KNOWS < 1286583555 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always loved the IWC favicon. < 1286583558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's almost incomprehensibly short. Nobody can resist tweaking it. < 1286583584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://pastie.org/1208840.txt?key=xipxlhgc0dyfwptglqkg vagrant.py < 1286583616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://pastie.org/1208841.txt?key=sqzicem58jcp8gwcxeuba debug.py (run instead of vagrant.py to see exceptions rather than silent death) < 1286583630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: To get rid of mindless fangirls: Comment out the long for loop in T(). < 1286583653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: If you remove those lines entirely, you can't quite believe it's a game that does anything. < 1286583664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, and it may or may not work with Python 2.7; I forget if they made / into proper division then, or just in 3.0. < 1286583673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It relies on / being integer division. If it doesn't work, change the two divisions to use //. < 1286583713 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they probably did not change / in 2.7 because wait what am i saying < 1286583724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Gameplay: you know this. vikeys to move, q to quaff potions (displayed after HP), % is food, ! is potion, # is wall, the rest you can figure out yourself < 1286583730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and $ is cash < 1286583738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is satiation, lose it and you die quickly without ridiculous hp and proximity to food < 1286583744 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1286583746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fwiw i strongly recommend commenting out the AI code if you want to play < 1286583749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very annoying < 1286583754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have Qs cluster around you constantly < 1286583764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it looks way shorter without it. < 1286583805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And, yes, I do use "str" as the shortest way to write a function that, when called with no arguments, produces no side effects. < 1286583809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHA < 1286583845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Do you have any irritating "Pythonistas" there who love to go on about beautiful Python code and best practices and formatting your code properly and documenting it and oh the PEP-8 and? < 1286583855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEP-8? < 1286583856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 'cuz if so, totally show them this. With the AI code taken out, it's too normal-looking. < 1286583861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The Python style guide. < 1286583866 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that the thing mentioned in that crazy ABC thing? < 1286583884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1286583885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1286583930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, and yeah, despite being less than two kilobytes, my code *does* in fact feature a better scrolling mechanism than Crawl. < 1286583935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Crawl developers are morons < 1286584107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, rereading the IWC apocalypse '09 arc, the Deaths only say the universe was destroyed. < 1286584117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of the universes. < 1286584159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They also say that *everyone* died. < 1286584163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in. Everyone. < 1286584205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. all people in the universe are dead. < 1286584220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, shut up. < 1286584228 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never played Crawl < 1286584240 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still go for the "Deaths have a secret agenda" theory < 1286584247 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: re pythonistas, um sorta. but not that bad. < 1286584260 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEP-8, yes. < 1286584284 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Python understands me but I'll never get along with Ruby", yes. < 1286584287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl is like nethack, but the monsters hate you personally as opposed to just being nasties, and even though you move your character stays in the centre because crawl is the game of headaches < 1286584296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it has a ridiculously huge sidebar < 1286584305 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :developers whose wardrobe consists almost entire of python-themed t-shirts, yes. < 1286584308 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286584310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it has a command to explore the level for you, because they're so large and featureless that doing it manually would cause suicide in anyone < 1286584323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah -- rip out the AI lines and show them this < 1286584337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then get them to run it and watch them cry as they try and figure out how guido could possibly have let this happen < 1286584427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with today's comic. I just thought it was so interesting that I had an urge to share it." --http://irregularwebcomic.net/2203.html < 1286584493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's called 35mm film because it is 35 millimetres wide." < 1286584551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Records, for those people younger than about 30 years old, were the precursors of compact discs." < 1286584558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I -- what 20-year-old does not know this? < 1286584609 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even I knew it! < 1286584612 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terminally stupid. < 1286584617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think it was a joke < 1286584625 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har < 1286584630 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am teh laugh < 1286584657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, he gave the diameter < 1286584660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in approximate terms < 1286584662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(twice that of a CD) < 1286584663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is also a Nyquist plugin called Clipfix for Audacity that uses cubic splines to ensure that the restored signal is continuously differentiable." < 1286584669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's how it works. < 1286584682 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo < 1286584687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clever. < 1286584713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1286584742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286584771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Reversing the loudness war sounds SO GOOD < 1286584788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it decreases dynamic range a little because you have to amplify by -10dB first. < 1286584792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may just be my imagination. < 1286584799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some "climaxes" do seem a little less punchy. < 1286584871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Whaddya mean, amplify by -10dB first? < 1286584891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's what you have to do with Clip Fix. < 1286584898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1286584903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, says it, it may not have the headroom to put in the interpolated samples. < 1286584911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in practice I think -3 to -5 dB would do it just fine. < 1286584945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it's not like what you're doing this to *has* dynamic range in the first place. < 1286584973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well... the music does... arguably. (Okay, very arguably; not the quietest band.) But the mastering sure as hell doesn't. < 1286584977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But -- < 1286584982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a non-clipped bit, and then a clipped bit after it, < 1286584988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the punchiness of the transition is decreased < 1286584992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe we could just get Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab to release all good albums. < 1286585002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, they do that weird gold CD stuff, but they sure as hell master properly. < 1286585011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, I don't actually *know* that, but I'm pretty sure they do.0 < 1286585014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do.) < 1286585015 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286585037 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286585055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, Clip Fix is *slow*. < 1286585066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes, like, an hour to do a bit-over-10-minutes song. < 1286585198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(In 1988, George Bush called Mike Dukakis a "card-carrying member of the ACLU", in effect comparing the Bill of Rights with Communism and its defenders with Communists. This insult to the US Constitution inspired me, as it did many others, to join the ACLU. Let's hope the Shrub will not be president; one Bush was too many.)" --Stallman, 2000 < 1286585202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT STALLMAN, WHY DID YOU CURSE US < 1286585205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...them < 1286585212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all of us, we had to hear about it. < 1286585249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Thing that needs to die: Single edits. < 1286585343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our (the UK) Education Secretary has links to Opius Dei. Ruth Kelly is her name < 1286585344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(very strange looking woman, some sort of Lesbo-mutant if you ask me)" --silly conspiracy forums < 1286585350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LESBO-MUTANT < 1286585363 0 :cheater00!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-143.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286585445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (Thing that needs to die: Music industry) < 1286585594 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286585688 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing that needs to die: Me. But not now. < 1286585739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So, if you were told you would live forever, this would be terrible to you? < 1286585786 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Assuming many-universes, it is OK if I live forever in one possible universe, as long as it is not the case in all of them. < 1286585798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why is that? < 1286585810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286585819 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Surely if everyone live forever there will be no room. < 1286585863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That is a position that is remarkably at odds with scientific progress. < 1286585898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And besides, if we assume many-universes, there is already a universe in which everyone lives forever. < 1286586026 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1286586030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP CRASHING FLASH < 1286586032 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What level of many-universes do you mean? I read a article there is four levels. What I mean is the one specified as level III in the article. If such a universe is exist, then it won't be like that forever. < 1286586033 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU FLASH < 1286586034 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU < 1286586049 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Then just disable Flash, if it doesn't work? < 1286586059 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are YouTube videos I want to watch < 1286586063 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or else, write your own implementation) < 1286586070 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Then use a conversion program, maybe. < 1286586476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyberrgs. < 1286586536 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When watching Uncyclopedia, do so in a well lit room, and do not sit too close to the TV. We are absolutely not accountable for your actions, especially if you try to use this information in a dark room. < 1286586556 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consult a doctor if reading while pregnant, diabetic or hypersensitive to penicillin. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Void where prohibited. Where there is smoke there is fire. Swimming is the best form of exercise. Batteries not included. < 1286586586 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not fold, spindle or mutilate. Call your mother, she's worried about you. Close cover before striking. Game pieces do not actually talk. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead is purely coincidental. Some assembly required. List each check separately by bank number. < 1286586600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not paste long quotes into IRC unless they're funny. Do not taunt. < 1286586660 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. And also do not taunt long quotes into IRC unless they're funny. And also do not funny long quotes into CRI if they are not. And also. < 1286586770 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a restart will help < 1286586971 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it say "METAFONT failed for some reason" but there is no error message, and it seems to be working? < 1286586999 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also says "ignoring 0 strange path(s)" < 1286587023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1286587082 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286587147 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286588294 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286588441 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came home to find a very tiny spider on my desk < 1286588496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's profound. < 1286588519 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, according to the topic, i guess i did not win < 1286588533 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i got like 556th place or something < 1286588538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: here's a vagrant.py with the AI pre-removed OMG how revolutionary: < 1286588540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1208931.txt?key=lqqwxvq9rvwdlbukvnmgtw < 1286588545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ol' debug.py still applies < 1286588560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the code is way too short. how the fuck does it work < 1286588563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no sense man < 1286588642 0 :jomjome!~jomjom@unaffiliated/totimkopf JOIN :#esoteric < 1286588676 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the awesome power of joomla < 1286588680 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i mean python < 1286588779 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(omg now they all KNOW my SEKRIT) < 1286588854 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon, alise, soon < 1286588874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: PLAY IT < 1286589046 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286589151 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1286589153 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice hally < 1286589156 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*u < 1286589160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or w/e < 1286589234 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um does it wear off eventually? < 1286589283 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um one inconsequential issue < 1286589296 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your terminal is >80 (or at least -- mine is) < 1286589307 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the status bar is repeated < 1286589319 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, it "scrolls" a half page to the right each turn < 1286589323 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise ^ < 1286589329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1286589336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah 80x24 or bust < 1286589344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supporting anything else = more bytes :) < 1286589353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resize it, it's not like the game uses any more :P < 1286589383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i can think maybe what causes that < 1286589385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps fixable < 1286589406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: < 1286589407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def C(x):s.insstr(23,0,' '*80);s.insstr(23,0,x);s.redrawwin() < 1286589409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace C() with this < 1286589410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1286589418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i still recommend 80x24 so you can see the border of vision < 1286589426 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the proper scrolling is very very cool < 1286589434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286589441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-=(X-x)/17;Y-=(Y-y)/5 < 1286589444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only two statements, too! < 1286589460 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer division ftw < 1286589484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: btw to hallucinate wildly just keep eating food until the 1/15 chance smiles upon you < 1286589486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens quite often < 1286589488 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: does hallucination wear off < 1286589491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286589496 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't for me yet < 1286589496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :85 to 100 turns, pressing space may help < 1286589502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :potions help < 1286589507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quaff potions if you have any < 1286589513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: to identify what things are, here's a cheat: < 1286589514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold down enter < 1286589515 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been a good 500 turns now < 1286589520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, surely not < 1286589532 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i know what potions i have < 1286589538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :number next to HP < 1286589540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all potions are the same < 1286589541 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe i got a lot of hallucinatory food and fifn'yt notice < 1286589545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just gets mixed into one infinite container < 1286589547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's likely < 1286589551 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 47 potions? < 1286589558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 47 HP restorable by potions < 1286589562 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1286589565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually tracking individual potions is too many bytes < 1286589569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Loudness war'd albums have won Grammies for Best Engineered Album. < 1286589572 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why q put it down to 27 < 1286589573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if k=='q': < 1286589573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=min(P,20);L=min(L+q,300) < 1286589573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if P and L<301:U=min(U+q*3*(U>0),300);P-=q;T() < 1286589573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : continue < 1286589576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, really. < 1286589579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it also takes away some U < 1286589586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: loudness war'd albums = all albums now < 1286589590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's not surprising, if depressing < 1286589600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also means that great, modern albums are saddled with terrible production < 1286589620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not all albums, actually. < 1286589627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Just an obnoxious amount of them. < 1286589634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: All major-label and most minor-label albums. < 1286589644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, obnoxious. < 1286589651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: btw, enter is designed to dismiss messages < 1286589654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see the status line < 1286589659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it redraws, and so re-hallus < 1286589661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite taking 0 turns < 1286589666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you hold it down you can make out what things are mostly < 1286589673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's only a 1/3 chance a given tile will be distorted < 1286589681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a "bug" but it's way too much trouble to fix it < 1286589709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's sad that I have to applaud people for *having any dynamic range* in their music. < 1286589727 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: pretty sure i'm perma-llucinating. < 1286589739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: how much S do you have? < 1286589746 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :167 < 1286589747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well a lot of music has dynamic range musically, just not production-wise < 1286589754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: how many potions? < 1286589760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and, hp? < 1286589761 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(57) < 1286589763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, yes. You know what I mean. Music, *as published*. < 1286589767 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP=149 < 1286589778 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1087 turns, 1323 gold. < 1286589794 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only remember seeing one "Yuk!" message < 1286589795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: q until all potions are gone, hold down any key -- i suggest space -- (that doesn't move or quaff or anything, and isn't enter) until you're at about S:10a < 1286589799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*S:10 < 1286589803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Euuch, actually < 1286589804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but try that < 1286589812 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1286589812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're still hallu, then i'm confused and will think a lot < 1286589838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaiit < 1286589841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :potions may hurt hallu < 1286589841 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286589843 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wore off < 1286589845 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at about S:70 < 1286589849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since my hallu-healing code hurts < 1286589851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: kay < 1286589854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll fix this code now < 1286589859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Y'know, it'd be awesome if artists would release the unmixed tracks from studio sessions. < 1286589868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1286589870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So that someone who gave a damn could mix it well. < 1286589873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you mean with all the tracks and shit? < 1286589886 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I have a suggestion, if you want to hear it, for an additoin < 1286589890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nine Inch Nails did that with a few tracks from Year Zero but the individual tracks were polished-ish < 1286589890 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*addition < 1286589895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: absolutely < 1286589896 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: btw, patch: < 1286589899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if P and L<301:U=min(U+q*3*(U>0),85);P-=q;T() < 1286589902 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: > < 1286589906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious which line this modification is to < 1286589909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you mean downstairs? < 1286589912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. Just "here's the entire studio session." < 1286589920 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :increases an integer l which affects density < 1286589922 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes < 1286589926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: was fun to disable random tracks though < 1286589940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :affects density? why? < 1286589941 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also scrambles the playfield (use the intial population funciton whatever it is) < 1286589948 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deeper levels have more shit in them < 1286589955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, people, it does not go up to 11. < 1286589969 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(easy way to make it both harder and more rewarding, at least theoretically) < 1286590037 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, uh. maybe combat first < 1286590042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes :P < 1286590044 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It'd also be awesome to see raw video being distributed. :P < 1286590053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dislikes generation loss.
< 1286590068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: my "plan" was to have some sort of monetary amount to get into hell or wherever < 1286590078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: where killing a monster gives you silly amounts of money compared to $ bags < 1286590081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's pretty much required < 1286590083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you get a fun boss < 1286590138 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see < 1286590185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: levels sound good, but increased density = increased risk of being boxed in by walls when you arrive < 1286590187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would suck < 1286590243 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teleport spells! < 1286590248 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not too serious) < 1286590255 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-66-169.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286590255 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286590255 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286590337 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if the improvementsi made ot my bot work < 1286590448 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286590457 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1286590465 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized, it responds to frigg < 1286590491 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frigg: VERSION < 1286590494 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: Meh. < 1286590494 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Meh. < 1286590501 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like that! < 1286590512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: help < 1286590513 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Help is available for: assignment print < 1286590518 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: help assignment < 1286590518 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: @a=1 [server-scope assignment] < 1286590523 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: help print < 1286590523 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: print {@a} [send contents of @a to stdout] < 1286590528 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1286590544 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: @x=5 < 1286590545 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286590549 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COWARD < 1286590745 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scuze me < 1286590746 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286590826 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286590830 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai < 1286590882 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have neat idea with lua has the %b pattern for parsing with regexp nono haha recursive < 1286590919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i couldn't do random teleport < 1286590922 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I managed to screw up FreeCiv enough that every AI wants to be allied with me, to the point where they'll dissolve an alliance because I refuse to go to war with somebody they're at war with, then immediately re-ally with me. < 1286590926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"random number from 1 to infinity, distributed evenly" < 1286590935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How is that a bad thing? < 1286590936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE GOD < 1286590948 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just amusing :P < 1286591016 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: omg u r hax1ng teh freeciv srcs? < 1286591023 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1286591027 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just configured it really weirdly. < 1286591058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there only torrents of '95 on floppy? < 1286591063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because you t--. < 1286591067 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's especially funny right now because I'm a Republic (my favorite government type), and my senate won't let me go to war with anyone, so even if I wanted to honor my alliances, I can't. < 1286591082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And an inexplicable Finnish version on CD, and one that's got 0 seeds. < 1286591088 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARADOX GOVERNMENT < 1286591105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, I do so love FreeCiv. < 1286591113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is the FreeCiv package in Debian okay? < 1286591127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: HOW FUN IS VAGRANT EH < 1286591130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your top moneys so far < 1286591145 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Almost. < 1286591147 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: FUNNESS PER SOURCE CODE BYTE = AWESOME < 1286591151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Almost? < 1286591157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ABSOLUTE FUNNESS, THOUGH? :P < 1286591162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's a little bit wtf-is-ipv4-lawl, but otherwise it's all good. < 1286591169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should just fetch the floppies. And go with a tedious, tedious install process. < 1286591174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...I wasn't planning to play networked < 1286591178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No way :P < 1286591185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There is some CD that is just all the floppies catted together somehow. < 1286591187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one worked for me. < 1286591197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: o.o < 1286591201 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Then 's all A-OK. Also, it's easy enough to do netplay if you call freeciv-server manually rather than from the client. < 1286591202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do I want freeciv gtk or sdl or what < 1286591206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess sdl < 1286591209 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: gtk < 1286591212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1286591217 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SDL client sucks, and not in a good way. < 1286591230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But playing games made with regular widget toolkits FEELS SO WEIRD. < 1286591233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also an AJAX client. < 1286591236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have to deal with server bullshit if I just want to play? < 1286591236 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I AM A FUNNESS-FINITIST. what good mans reach grasp exceed something something < 1286591256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "freeciv-client-xaw3d" Q.E.D. < 1286591258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The GTK client will operate the server as is sane for single-player use. < 1286591275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the others will as well, but I'm not as familiar with them. < 1286591280 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Athena hates MIT for associating her name with that awful widgetkit. < 1286591304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor goddess < 1286591307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Athena is more than just a toolkit, you know. < 1286591311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought you said their < 1286591312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1286591316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a company or something < 1286591319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah athena itself is cool < 1286591326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :produced X11 < 1286591327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1286591329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reject my assertion < 1286591330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :athena sucks < 1286591332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kerberos. < 1286591343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact, still deployed < 1286591350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor MIT people, using GNOME 0.1 or whatever it is < 1286591356 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://animeholicph.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/card-captor-sakura-keroberos.jpg < 1286591365 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ...? < 1286591386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what? < 1286591395 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: DOT DOT DOT QUESTION MARK < 1286591409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I can *almost* make that relevant in my head. < 1286591410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost. < 1286591416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They have used X11 thin clients at MIT since the 80s. < 1286591448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're still using some of the old, old, old school software on it, too. < 1286591455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apparently the architecture itself has program binaries themselves being run on NFS-or-something-like-it. < 1286591479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.spang.cc/posts/MIT_Athena:_Not_Dead_Yet/ < 1286591485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.spang.cc/images/clean-athena.png < 1286591487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually GNOME 2.8. < 1286591492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still... Jesus. < 1286591505 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a zephyr too < 1286591517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: IM < 1286591537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's... Sun. < 1286591538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Jesus. < 1286591555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hacks.mit.edu/by_year/1989/grumpy_fuzzball/gf_screen_large.gif The login screen (with fuzzball instead of the usual owl, a hack from december 1989) < 1286591564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's running on SunOS. Not Solaris, SunOS. < 1286591570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nope. < 1286591573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RHEL 4. < 1286591576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://blog.spang.cc/posts/MIT_Athena:_Not_Dead_Yet/. < 1286591577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sun4" < 1286591585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286591588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So, what I really just wasted over 600 words prepping for is to say that Athena 10 will be based on Ubuntu." circa 2008 < 1286591591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pretty sure that's the machine < 1286591594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1286591594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1286591595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server < 1286591598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clients being RHEL < 1286591604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the other way around < 1286591608 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Athena 10 will be based on Ubuntu" < 1286591615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Athena 10 Technical Plan (Page Not Found) < 1286591616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reassuring < 1286591620 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now She is pissed i'm pretty sure < 1286591714 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 4x-human-size virgin in armor, with a big-ass spear, bearing down on cambridge as we speak < 1286591731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*big ass-spear < 1286591775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I like how you decided to mention she's a virgin. < 1286591790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Still up for the taking, MIT guys! Just don't do it!" < 1286591795 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: hey, it was one of the salient features attributed to her < 1286591803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.spang.cc/images/clean-athena.png <-- I love how RISC OS the launcher icons at the bottom are. < 1286591816 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i forgot the STONEMAKINGGORGONHEADSHIELD, though < 1286591829 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking awesome < 1286591939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_File_System < 1286591940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what they use < 1286591951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerberos-based, who wouldda guessed?!?!?! < 1286591992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The proposed "3M" workstations included a million pixel display and a megabyte of memory, running at a million instructions per second. Unfortunately a fourth M, cost on the order of a megapenny, proved the 3M beyond the reach of students' budgets, so the initial hardware deployment in 1985 established a number of university-owned "clusters" of public workstations in various academic buildings and dorm < 1286591992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itories.]] < 1286591996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Wikipedia, "Andrew Project" < 1286591998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUR HUR A PUN < 1286592001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are Wikipedia < 1286592002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are series < 1286592003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*serious < 1286592005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet we pun < 1286592006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subtly < 1286592008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laugh < 1286592176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: interestingly Athena is accessible from outside MIT... < 1286592185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "prime" interface to that is MITnet, which is a dialup link :-) < 1286592188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but they have telnet now...) < 1286592189 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mit campus map page is a google maps page with an "MIT" button menu < 1286592199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Does rms still not have a password? < 1286592199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: they have a pdf of some sort i think < 1286592205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: does rms still have an account? < 1286592206 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....that does NOTHING when clicked < 1286592208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the more pertinent question < 1286592229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. His office is still there, I'm pretty sure. < 1286592259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i forget, did he ever actually graduate < 1286592271 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: jesus < 1286592275 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: stupid question < 1286592276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He never *attended* MIT. < 1286592284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He graduated from Harvard and *worked* at MIT. < 1286592286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :untrue < 1286592287 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you get famous, you don't NEED to graduate. < 1286592288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Stallman then enrolled as a graduate student in physics at MIT, but abandoned his graduate studies while remaining a programmer at the MIT AI Laboratory.]] < 1286592298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grad student, then he gave up and decided to stay < 1286592299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay, he did actually enroll there. < 1286592309 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you do think sergei and that other guy graduated? they're still on leave < 1286592313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stallman abandoned his pursuit of a doctorate in physics in favor of programming. < 1286592313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While a graduate student at MIT, Stallman published a paper on an AI truth maintenance system called dependency-directed backtracking with Gerald Jay Sussman.[14] This paper was an early work on the problem of intelligent backtracking in constraint satisfaction problems. As of 2003, the technique Stallman and Sussman introduced is still the most general and powerful form of intelligent backtracking.[15] < 1286592313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The technique of constraint recording, wherein partial results of a search are recorded for later reuse, was also introduced in this paper.[15] < 1286592313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's still a research affiliate. < 1286592318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: shaddap :) < 1286592320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, you know what? < 1286592323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an easy way to find out < 1286592334 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i'm srs < 1286592335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://adminsr.com/blog/?p=201 < 1286592337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S SSH TO MIT < 1286592338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: okay :P < 1286592348 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1286592359 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and MIT dungeon doesn't even contain a dungeon to speak of < 1286592360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,keyboard-interactive). < 1286592362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRAT < 1286592363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOILED AGAIN < 1286592371 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure the name is a nod to dungeons and dragons instead < 1286592378 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gssapi-with-mic < 1286592382 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain axplote* < 1286592388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: okay that works with the kerberos login < 1286592392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I VERY MUCH doubt rms has a kerberos login < 1286592394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least an active one < 1286592398 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait where was d&d invented < 1286592428 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FIRIEST PITS OF HELL < 1286592439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: gary gygax's anus < 1286592443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUE FACT < 1286592446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said. < 1286592450 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes but < 1286592457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to just be < 1286592459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in his head < 1286592464 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEED lATLONG < 1286592465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere particular < 1286592496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: (3+sqrt(2)i, pi+sqrt(0)^sqrt(a bit of abcesses) + not i, that other one... a one who's name i have forgotten) < 1286592497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVE FUN < 1286592525 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i no care if you have low opinion of it -- as a sociaL shift of sorts, d&d is significant < 1286592536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: stallman has like fifty honorary doctorates < 1286592537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and professorships < 1286592545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Recognition < 1286592547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suck-up bitches < 1286592554 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whAt? < 1286592556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: did i ever say i had a low opinion of it < 1286592557 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH RIGHT < 1286592560 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :communism < 1286592560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never even played d&d < 1286592561 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1286592566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think cpressey is drunk again < 1286592571 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEE < 1286592586 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also pizza! < 1286592589 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm < 1286592611 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the 1 hand typing < 1286592647 0 :jomjome!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286592729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to play around with an athena box, just to see how fucked up it is < 1286592738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could put all sorts of Athena-virgin related puns here, but i won't < 1286592815 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: appreciated. < 1286592825 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: btw: J R R Tolkein. Discuss. < 1286592868 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, don't. < 1286592879 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never read his books, myself. < 1286592883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: a man. he said too little with too much and was a racist. despite that, < 1286592889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still feel like i should read the lord of the rings. < 1286592916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have read the beginning of /The Fellowship.../. it was far too verbose. < 1286592919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i could get used to it. < 1286592927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1286592943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i wanted to read something really long, there are like fifty things above it on my list :) < 1286592949 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tried to have us read /The Hobbit/ in 7th grade English class. Then we stopped. I usually assume someone's parents complained about SATANISM IN THE SCHOOLS. < 1286592955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the films. of course they must be terrible adaptions. < 1286592957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're still good. < 1286592988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in today's world where fantasy is so... laughable, and with the canon of the films in my head, it'd be hard to take things seriously < 1286593019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: speaking of things made up of a lot of words, have you read Infinite Jest? I mean to sometime. < 1286593022 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's C S Lewis. I have read his significant stuff. < 1286593030 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<*exasperated sound*? < 1286593032 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1286593039 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I have not. < 1286593062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C. S. Lewis was a writer of Christian propaganda posing as bad children's fantasy. < 1286593081 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh Quebec Seperatism, just like Beautiful Losers. <*exasperated sound*> < 1286593081 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The best kind of propaganda) < 1286593085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read all the narnia books when i was younger. i think i kept going because i knew they were meant to be *so* *great* < 1286593094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they all died and went to heaven with jesus the lion < 1286593099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ... they were not great, after all, in the end. < 1286593108 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: in a wonderful wonderful train accident < 1286593114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286593118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to imagine their mangled limbs. < 1286593133 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i like to imagine their mangled limbs. < 1286593136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ranks high up the list of Stupid Things to Say After Coming Out of a Mental Institution < 1286593137 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. kind of twisted. also, santa clause gave them swords and armor and shit in the first book. < 1286593138 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :237| i like to imagine their mangled limbs. < 1286593141 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*claus < 1286593195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Gravity's Rainbow! also made out of a lot of words. have you read it? i have not. < 1286593204 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286593207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS, BOOKS ARE MADE OUT OF WORDS, SOMETIMES A LOT OF THEM, WHAT IS THAT? < 1286593217 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I want to. ++ because Pat Benetar made an album with that name. < 1286593221 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIT ME WITH YOUR BEST SHOT < 1286593223 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love the hair < 1286593256 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, so much I haven't read yet! < 1286593257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINNEGANS WAKE < 1286593261 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1286593262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made out of WAY TOO MANY WORDS < 1286593265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also haven't read it < 1286593271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE READ SURPRISINGLY LITTLE THINGS THAT I SHOULD HAVE < 1286593277 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fread Dante's Inferno, and Neechy's A.S.Z., this summer, so that's something. < 1286593288 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*read < 1286593293 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fread is for C programs. < 1286593302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Despite these obstacles, readers and commentators have reached a broad consensus about the book's central cast of characters and, to a lesser degree, its plot." < 1286593307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we know who the characters are! < 1286593324 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, also I have seen the Catch-22 film, but not read the book. Also, < 1286593343 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cat's Cradle - Vonnegut < 1286593354 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it has its cult following, who knows if it's *actually* good. < 1286593363 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, SIASL has it's cult following too. < 1286593372 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I was a teenager, I was all, "Wow! Grok! Heh" < 1286593374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vonnegut is cool. would like to read. haven't. hmph < 1286593375 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really < 1286593380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the catch-22 book is good, sez friend < 1286593382 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon < 1286593395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define siasl < 1286593397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the home of the Southern Illinois Adult Soccer League (SIASL). We are the only coed adult soccer league in the Marion/Carbondale area. < 1286593402 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stranger in a Strange Land < 1286593406 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA < 1286593420 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love internet acronym pollution < 1286593430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like heinlein a bit... but not too much < 1286593444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fine line between something and libertarianism < 1286593447 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stranger in a Strange Land, Robert Heinlein, Michael Valentine Smith, Water Brother, Grok < 1286593466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he coined grok, if you didn't know < 1286593473 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone says grok. < 1286593484 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. < 1286593531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's become assimilated since the 60s dude :P < 1286593546 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and completely watered down, was my only point < 1286593557 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, sass < 1286593563 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's underused. < 1286593588 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, what else of good books? ... < 1286593613 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drawing a blank < 1286593626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOKS SUCK < 1286593632 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is that < 1286593663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh - A Clockwork Orange -- the book is very good -- you can tell it was written by a composer < 1286593691 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logan's Run -- the movie is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than the book -- the book is incompreh. and pretent. < 1286593704 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /mode wooster < 1286593739 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, watch Logan's Run and read A Clockwork Orange, NOT the other way round < 1286593751 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, huh. < 1286593804 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Waldo" by Robert Heinlein and "A Logic Named Joe" by.... uh... Murray Leinster < 1286593837 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, movies. < 1286593848 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amelie, actually, was very good < 1286593870 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRON, the original. I refuse to participate in any remake hype < 1286593894 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Overdrawn at the Memory Bank" predates the Matrix by, I dunno, 2 decades < 1286593894 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2001: A Space Odyssey < 1286593909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- err didn't notice any of this < 1286593918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind incompreh. and pretent. :) < 1286593936 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah. it's like, watch the movie AND read the book, for that one, to get the whole picture < 1286593947 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: In the opposite order though. < 1286593950 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the book and the movie are set in the orbit of different fuckin planets < 1286593953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: scifi! always the destination when you run out of GOOD books < 1286594019 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you don't mind slogging through works that are incomprehensible and pretentious? OR you don't mind me making abbrevs. for those wo.? < 1286594028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former < 1286594033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as they're amusing in some way < 1286594052 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is the Wooster thing. Also, Wodehouse is cool. Like Douglas Adams of the 20's. Anyway) < 1286594076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIFI < 1286594076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go < 1286594084 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I really can't recommend the Logan's Run book. But, you know, I guess, I managed to finish it, unlike say Millenium < 1286594086 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isaac Asimov < 1286594091 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Movies are so much easier to finish < 1286594109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: duh < 1286594112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean everything else < 1286594117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh indeeeeed! :P < 1286594128 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asimov: short stories. The whole Foundation thing? Interesting idea but I CANNOT READ THAT MUCH EXTRAPOLATING THAT IDEA. < 1286594160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, I must say: A Logic Named Joe. That is a beautiful story. By an almost unknown author. < 1286594184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stanislaw lem, i want to read Solaris, just haven't got around to it! mrf! < 1286594187 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it for the first time, on a plane, while I was on my way to an internship at a large dotcom search engine company. < 1286594189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect, of course < 1286594192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you can stomach it) < 1286594200 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it was kind of hyperappropriate < 1286594211 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I've heard of im < 1286594224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://www.kuro5hin.org/prime-intellect/mopiidx.html < 1286594224 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intriguing, although not sure what to make of it < 1286594229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is good (and not very long) < 1286594240 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH HA HELLO AGAIN KURO5HIN ARE YOU STILL AROUND HA < 1286594242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, uh, yeah, there's sort of zombie rape-torture in the first chapter < 1286594248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does serve a plot-relevant purpose, but, you know < 1286594251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still have to read it < 1286594263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well it was published on kuro5hin in 2002 < 1286594265 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm not mistaken that's some kind of amplifier < 1286594269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when it was actually any good :) < 1286594274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's meant to look like a moth < 1286594291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidence: "mopimoth.gif" and he calls it the moth graphic or something on another page of the site < 1286594332 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286594353 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286594451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh and everything Sam Hughes has ever written < 1286594452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1286594461 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1286594477 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that guy? < 1286594510 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that other guy. < 1286594515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: qntm.org < 1286594522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may know him for How to Destroy the Earth < 1286594535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his two novels are the Ed stories and Fine Structure < 1286594543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have read the former twice and am in the stalled process of reading the latter < 1286594561 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know him from his blog posts rather than his fiction < 1286594586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but his blog posts are just about drinking to excess according to various rules about which drinking establishments you go to! < 1286594663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they? i thought they were about random inconsquential CS theory shit < 1286594674 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alTHOUGH < 1286594677 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on inSPECTION < 1286595667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD DAMMIT WINDOWS THE DISK IS IN THE FUCKING DRIVE STOP SUCKING < 1286596527 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology genius < 1286596544 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon HackEgo < 1286596544 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius \ late 14c., from L. genius "guardian deity or spirit which watches over each person from birth; spirit, incarnation, wit, talent," from root of gignere "beget, produce" (see kin), from PIE base *gen- "produce." Meaning "person of natural intelligence or talent" first recorded 1640s. \ \ genial \ 1560s, from < 1286596547 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1286596558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology hack < 1286596564 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hack (1) \ in O.E. tohaccian "hack to pieces," from W.Gmc. *khak- (cf. O.Fris. hackia, Du. hakken, O.H.G. hacchon), perhaps infl. by O.N. h�ggva "to hack, hew," from PIE *kau- "to hew, strike." Sense of "short, dry cough" is 1802. Noun meaning "an act of hacking" is from 1836; fig. sense of "a try, an attempt" is first attested < 1286596730 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :höggva < 1286597238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, it seems what the problem is is that the Windows installer *sometimes forgets to install half the network stack*. < 1286597314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :D < 1286597319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think it's rather that it's not on the CD. < 1286597321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't get it to install. < 1286597336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I've had the same problem with two different install media. < 1286597348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And it apparently *just happens on some systems*. < 1286597372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Windows 95 has a braindead installer bug. < 1286597402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAWL < 1286597409 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start me up! < 1286597694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. There are plants that do not need sunlight at all. < 1286597721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Indian_pipe_PDB.JPG Yes, that is a *plant*. < 1286597836 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm... that's.... ok < 1286597893 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm a plant, but the whole plant schtick, no, i don't play that way." < 1286597930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's parasitic upon the mycorrhiza in the roots of a nearby tree. < 1286598263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAME THEORY ADMIRAL: http://imgur.com/oYeTa.jpg < 1286598273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's zero-sum! < 1286598283 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1286598329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, cpressey, whoever: http://codu.org/tmp/zee1-2010-10-08.ogg zee1, now with FLAVOR! < 1286598391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Insufficiently FLAC < 1286598461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, have you considered going back in time and doing some NES composition? < 1286598471 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uploading a FLACcid one will take a while :P < 1286598481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My time machine is broken. < 1286598482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLACcid; nice. < 1286598496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can still do chip tunes. < 1286598536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially for the NES or SNES; their sound chips are emulated as accurately as is possible. < 1286598583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, well I only want to do chip tunes for the MSX, NeoGeo and Sega Saturn! < 1286598608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSX and NeoGeo ought to be feasible. < 1286598614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does anybody even *care* about the Saturn? < 1286598635 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone own a Saturn? :P < 1286598636 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. < 1286598644 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I SAW A LOT OF COMMERCIALS < 1286598644 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they sold about four :P < 1286598651 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :During winter '96 < 1286598652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was apparently popular in Japan. < 1286598653 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAAAAN < 1286598659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came out in '94. < 1286598661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1286598679 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And released a bit before the Playstation. < 1286598684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINEFINE < 1286598692 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write chiptunes for the Sega 32X. < 1286598696 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playstation, very arguably, won. < 1286598717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Not "arguably". < 1286598747 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can find some property by which Playstation didn't win :P < 1286598749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Playstation was the first console to sell 100 million units. < 1286598751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286598756 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit {0...inf} arguably < 1286598777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, it didn't win against the Playstation 2. < 1286598812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best-selling console ever, and it's *still selling*. Jeeze. < 1286598821 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have good memories of the Playstation [1], actually. < 1286598840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PS1 had many a good game. Though much of it has aged rather poorly. < 1286598855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Still selling" isn't much of a statement, really. < 1286598858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The Genesis is still selling in some markets. < 1286598858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike SNES games, for instance, which I could believe came out *yesterday*) < 1286598860 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomb Raider 2. Cool Boarders 2. Twisted Metal 2. < 1286598875 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARAPPA THE RAPPER < 1286598884 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only sequels are good :P < 1286598892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Until last year it was outselling all other home consoles, IIRC. < 1286598911 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sequal to Parappa sucked, but otherwise, I agree: there is a Version Two Phenomenon at play. < 1286598918 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe year before that. Anyways. It's still absurd. < 1286598928 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The sequel to Parappa the Rapper? You mean DDR? < 1286598934 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "sucked" is too hard, but. Not as good. < 1286598942 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, IIRC there was a Parappa 2. < 1286598943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Here, have your FLACcid zee1: http://codu.org/tmp/zee1-2010-10-08.flac < 1286598945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's still selling well in pretty much all markets, though. < 1286598949 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: HELLO WELCOME TO JOKES < 1286598957 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OHAI FUCK YEAH < 1286598965 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: \o/ < 1286598965 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1286598965 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        >\ < 1286599003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda amazing the Genesis is still being made, though. < 1286599072 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: still.. being... < 1286599100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes. < 1286599103 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 's alcohol-infused brain struggles to process this
< 1286599215 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so out of touch with the console world, it seems. < 1286599231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can go into a store and purchase a Sega Genesis. < 1286599245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, you'll have to hunt in the US; it's sold domestically, but not commonly.) < 1286599266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY GAMES < 1286599271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Kinda amazing the Genesis is still being made, though. < 1286599272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286599272 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got that far < 1286599286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You can go out and buy a BRAND NEW Sega Genesis. < 1286599296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it feels like i'm high, am i high? < 1286599304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought of Rocket Man, so yes, yes I am < 1286599308 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sehhh-Gahhh" < 1286599312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/GenesisFirecore.JPG You can find this in stores right now. < 1286599312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sega Genesis, a video game console < 1286599312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genesis (magazine), a pornographic magazine < 1286599320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :juxtasuppository < 1286599330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposition...tory < 1286599346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: psht, FIRECORE < 1286599349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want ... water...core < 1286599359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incompatible with the Sega CD, Sega 32X, and the Power Base Converter, but *it's a freaking brand new Sega Genesis*. < 1286599403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genesis does... < 1286599404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286599405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286599405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1286599407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1286599407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286599411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sonyn't < 1286599420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs
< 1286599431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Nintendon't. < 1286599435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SONYN'T < 1286599451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a shame they stopped making the SNES 7 years ago. < 1286599461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286599463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286599471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am hallucinating your words < 1286599475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the number that looks like 7 here < 1286599481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that. < 1286599488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discontinued < 1286599488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JP 2003[1] < 1286599488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NA 1999[2] < 1286599489 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003 < 1286599495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well more like eleven here < 1286599497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1286599498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfff < 1286599515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That same year they stopped making the NES. < 1286599516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone ever use a nes emulator called nesticle? < 1286599518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Famicom. < 1286599523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Nesticle sucks ass. < 1286599525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: But yes. < 1286599526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i tried... once < 1286599526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1286599529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the cursor < 1286599534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will always stick in my memory < 1286599540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BLOOD oh the blood < 1286599547 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also tried something called "DarcNES" < 1286599549 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH HA PUN < 1286599569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find your inner hobbitnes with HobbitNES < 1286599574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ness < 1286599577 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the FreeBsd 4.X days < 1286599585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SU PER FA MICOM < 1286599595 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I HAD ONE (briefly) < 1286599603 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :picked up at the SPCA thrift store < 1286599614 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :played a friend's supernes cart < 1286599651 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also picked up a... something too fucking obscure for me to remember < 1286599691 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, it was like an Oddessy^2 in its obscurity, what was it? < 1286599731 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it had "system" in its name < 1286599776 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console goddamn WP I hate you I love you < 1286599796 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TurboGrafx THAT WAS IT < 1286599816 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TurboGrafx-16 HOLY FUCKING OBSCURE. < 1286599823 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HaHAAAA TurboGrafx < 1286599836 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PC Enginge" is even less obscure, and that was the Japanese version < 1286599848 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got it to boot up. < 1286599851 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, cpressey, pikhq, whoever: http://codu.org/tmp/zee5-2010-10-08.ogg zee5, now with FLAVOR! < 1286599857 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No carts! < 1286599878 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOA < 1286599913 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zee5, now with gnarly visualization, presumably because ubuntu has decided firefox should do that now ok < 1286599943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said. < 1286599951 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flavor. < 1286600107 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also crashing < 1286600118 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAVOR < 1286600226 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mattel Electronics sold the rights for its Intellivision system to the INTV Corporation, who continued to produce Intellivision consoles and develop new games for the Intellivision until 1991." < 1286600275 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!open < 1286600284 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh open < 1286600310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zee5 rules < 1286600318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first minute anyway < 1286600354 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have downloaded, still trying to play in a way that doesn't gefuck my system < 1286600380 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAWL < 1286600384 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eRR < 1286600391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wHY IS MY CAPSLOCK ON < 1286600398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT CAPSLOCK ALWAYS < 1286600424 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE-CONTROL FOR COOL < 1286600429 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRASH BANDICOOT, SPYRO THE DRAGON < 1286600526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY I HEAR Z5 nOW < 1286600544 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always liked this one anyway < 1286600563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that fixclip thing may not be the one that comes with audacity w/e < 1286600575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what was it pre-flavour? soundfont? < 1286600597 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The only difference is adjusted volumes and panning. < 1286600608 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just makes it feel more ... complete. < 1286600632 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286600641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2391 for tomorrow < 1286600697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes y|" useless use of yes' argument award < 1286600702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes(1)'s, whatever < 1286600703 0 :wareya!~wareya@74.70.142.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286600727 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gehhh < 1286600751 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286600768 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall make concessions to the sucky OS, and in doing so, shall be considered cool < 1286600808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wut < 1286600819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ltu article? < 1286600822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about hardware, not the os < 1286600843 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall make concesions to the sucky hardware, then! < 1286600848 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All glory to my algorithm! < 1286600850 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'narrrrr < 1286600863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: erm < 1286600868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these issues are pretty fundamental < 1286600881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just looking for something to complain about :) < 1286600903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not complaining < 1286600915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286600919 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My interests do lie elsewhere, though < 1286600921 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://codu.org/tmp/zee5-2010-10-08.flac zee5, now with IMPOTENCE! < 1286600984 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: As I've mentioned before: give me an OS that will send my process a signal "I'm about to page you out! Is there any memory you could do without?" -- then let's talk < 1286600998 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of no such OS currently < 1286601027 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooperation between different levels of the hierarchy is fucking almost nonexistent < 1286601083 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus, Windows 7 and the CD-ROM... no, let's not even go there. I guess I should just be happy that the audio isn't done with A WIRE TO THE SOUND CARD anymore. < 1286601111 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, zee5 is looping and i'm not even noticing < 1286601127 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ... really? What player do you have that loops seemlessly without asking it? :P < 1286601151 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: um... "Totem Movie Player" apparently < 1286601167 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, *seamlessly < 1286601350 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Eightebed, IE8, etc has made me think about how memory leaking is pretty much unvoidable (not that I"m giving up -- just re-contextualizing the problem -- you cannot trust programmers to get anything right, I'm afraid.) < 1286601372 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarbage colleeeeeeeeection :P < 1286601372 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many many Java programs have shit memory management characteristics, GC or no GC. < 1286601383 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's not enough, sadly. < 1286601393 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GFORGOT TO WEAK MAH POINTERS FUCK < 1286601397 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough, you have to have non-stupid programmers too. < 1286601405 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, solve the problem by buying more memory. < 1286601412 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's worked for CPU's 'til 2008 ;) < 1286601415 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286601427 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I used to HATE that thought. Now... well I still do but... fuck, I dunno. < 1286601433 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRINK IS THE ONLY SOLUTION < 1286601457 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put your brainpower into the more useful problem of programming models for parallelism that aren't totally unusable. < 1286601472 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also still grit my teeth at the sound of the phrase "Boehm conservative collector", but... < 1286601525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what happened in 2008? < 1286601535 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The childish, innocent part of me keeping wispering "program proving, chris... it's not just a pipe dream of dijsktra's, you know..." < 1286601542 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*keeps < 1286601566 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we had feasible, workaday tools for proving, like we do for unit tests... < 1286601576 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm approximating the point where all energy started going into making more cores, rather than faster CPUs. < 1286601599 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god, but programmers would have to *reason*. Well, argh, they *do*, kinda, but, also SO NO. < 1286601602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 2006-7 < 1286601612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1286601617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you're right < 1286601622 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All energy" < 1286601627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this 1.33ghz proc is zippy < 1286601629 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "the first little bits" < 1286601629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286601671 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a prof, around 2008, who was very smart about the whole Moore's Law thing. < 1286601694 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moore's Law is something you see when your technology hasn't come near the limit of its potential yet. < 1286601722 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mid-oughts is where we started to see silicon IC technology come near the limit of its potential. < 1286601740 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1286601742 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all the effort started going towards "How can we parallelize" < 1286601744 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we're all fucked. < 1286601749 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's how! < 1286601750 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And GUES WHAT? < 1286601765 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can't! < 1286601776 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How can we parallelize?" as a research question, is prit' near ISOMORPHIC to "Is P = NP?" < 1286601818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P = NC, actually ;D < 1286601821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1286601846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1286601847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1286601849 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh fine, bring Nick into this :) < 1286601850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286601868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still an incredibly hard, unsolved problem, of course) < 1286601891 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I attended the university he was a Prof at for a long part of his career, but was too late -- he moved to some uni in the US by the time I was there. < 1286601907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286601912 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was there, there was almost *no one* there in theory or languages, in seriousness. < 1286601919 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was sad. < 1286601947 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, a few good people, in other areas (AI and uh... hardware theory, I gues you could say.) < 1286601967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is following lipton's blog and occasionally balks at the custom of calling TCS simply "theory"
< 1286601998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in his last post, he even used it to _contrast_ with mathematics < 1286602011 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_- < 1286602205 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure I'd agree with the P=NC characterization of "the parallelization agenda", *but*, maybe. I don't know enough about NC. < 1286602308 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any rate: http://www.hotchips.org/archives/hc21/2_mon/HC21.24.300.ParallelComputingCenters-Epub/HC21.24.310.Patterson-UCB-ParLab.pdf < 1286602344 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is (not exactly, but close to) the paper the smart HW/CS prof had us read in my "advanced computer architecture" class, around 2008 < 1286602420 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep thinking, sadly, that there is no real solution. < 1286602428 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your problem is parallelizable: great! < 1286602435 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not: too bad. < 1286602449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and that triggered an Adobe Reader update. < 1286602456 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAYAYYA < 1286602480 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish I could find the actual *paper* instead of presentations based on it < 1286602525 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the same time, "Fortress" was hot, too < 1286602536 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god! This is only 2.5 years later, really < 1286602557 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It already seems like another internet generation has gone by < 1286602560 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is scared
< 1286602575 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, but I'm still using the same chat protocol I used in 1995! < 1286602684 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought teh futar might be in photonics, but, apparently not, because they still require coherent light (lasers), which require quite a bit of power. < 1286602701 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they could be done with sunlight... < 1286602729 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still listening to zee5, looping!) < 1286602739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphene will save us all! AUM! < 1286602774 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not to be confused with Grapheme." ty, wp < 1286602792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there is also graphane < 1286602799 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that's just... a graphite sheet < 1286602865 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyo < 1286602905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and the star of this year's nobel prize in physics < 1286602935 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 2008 graphene produced by exfoliation was one of the most expensive materials on Earth, with a sample that can be placed at the cross section of a human hair costing more than $1,000 as of April 2008 (about $100,000,000/cm2).[10] Since then, exfoliation procedures have been scaled up, and now companies sell graphene by the ton.[16]" < 1286602941 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :economies are weird that way < 1286602975 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, you WANT this? well, let's start making it" < 1286602986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is such a thing is a digital speaker. There is seriously such a thing as a digital speaker. < 1286602992 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suddenly, you can afford it < 1286603006 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: digital in... what sense? < 1286603014 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows life in the esosphere, peeps < 1286603020 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything interesting going on lately < 1286603032 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: SPOLGRIFIC < 1286603040 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wossit < 1286603041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each bit of the digital audio drives a seperate speaker. The LSB drives a very small one, and the size of speakers doubles for each next bit. < 1286603055 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Cute! < 1286603083 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286603094 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286603107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :D < 1286603119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 16-bit audio reproduction, you need 16 seperate speakers... Starting with a 0.5 cm² driver would mean you would need a 3.2m² speaker system per channel. < 1286603142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhat impractical, sure, but hey. < 1286603147 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but i would bet the fidelity is totally worth it. < 1286603151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a digital speaker, and the term digital actually applies. < 1286603164 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not. but... well, i dunno. < 1286603196 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i am guessing it would be. < 1286603233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that put a lot of stress on the highest bit speaker < 1286603239 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :driving all kinds of frequencies through 2 or 3 speakers, versus 16, each taking care of a relatively small slice < 1286603266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not really. Each speaker takes a different *volume*, not frequency. < 1286603275 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If ... whoah ... if ... omg ... < 1286603287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why you double the size of the speakers as you go up. < 1286603292 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you actually did that, then moved those speakers away from each other. < 1286603292 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOAAAH < 1286603301 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, maybe the world IS still going. < 1286603306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only problem is that they need to run ultrasonically to avoid introducing *audible* artifacts. < 1286603307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well yeah but it would have to change _very_ fast every time the total volume passed the 2^15 mark < 1286603312 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you see, i had half given up by now) < 1286603318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and they're expensive. < 1286603347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, as a function of the audio frequency. < 1286603372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if they make them they have to work < 1286603426 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh well. for physical objects, yes < 1286603457 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i imagine the 2^16TWEETER is very small and delicate) < 1286603498 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286603564 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "if they made it, it has to work" does not in any way apply to processes that people come up with < 1286603570 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because OMG THE PAIN, you have NO IDEA < 1286603681 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286603729 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: \o/ < 1286603730 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1286603730 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        |\ < 1286603736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense! now just let me finish this vacuum energy extractor and coffee maker i've designed. < 1286603750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: not actually the case) < 1286603851 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err well "business" or "logistics" or "engineering" processes, anyway. < 1286603939 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1286603964 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Idea: Dynamically generate source code in C within the context of a Python or Ruby interpreter, allowing app to be written using Python or Ruby abstractions but automatically generating, compiling C at runtime" < 1286603969 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo 2008 < 1286604019 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok um internet generation span might be shrinking below ambitious-project-comes-to-fruition threshhold, danger will robinson < 1286604055 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack "Day changed to 09 Oct 2010" < 1286604073 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now everything i've just said is YESTERDAY'S NEWS < 1286604161 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack, and i was going to work on my BOT tonight, too. < 1286604220 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1286604248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I especially like the U+F06F. < 1286604382 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ??? http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/f06f/fontsupport.htm Each one of those fonts renders it differently! < 1286604399 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am scared. < 1286604480 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"U+F06F is not a valid unicode character" < 1286604517 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life is good within the BMP. < 1286604521 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not leave the BMP. < 1286604548 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you leave the BMP, life is bad and they hate humens because they're from outer space and science. < 1286604595 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I take it you are *not* talking about Window BitMaPs. < 1286604598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You must be a language implementor. < 1286604620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most high-level languages for GOD KNOWS WHAT REASON handle UTF-8. But only the BMP.) < 1286604636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, more bizarre, UTF-8. But with the UTF-16 surrogates. WHY GOD WHY) < 1286604682 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I do not understand any of it, except that you can sometimes bribe programs into making pretty symbols. < 1286604705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Educate yourself on Unicode. < 1286604740 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And when you start thinking it seems slightly complex, educate yourself on the other character encoding standards. < 1286604763 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What's there to learn? I mean... no, I don't know what I mean. < 1286604769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this point, I will be required to keep you away from weaponry for a few weeks, because you will be liable to wipe off a few nations. < 1286604816 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well see -- I am sort of preemptively at the point of "ooh, that ==> me ==> weaponry; best to go around it on tiptoe." < 1286604821 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Shall I point out the fact that Unicode is not a character encoding standard? :P < 1286604845 0 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286604852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The Unicode Standard actually includes character encoding schemes. The Unicode Transformation Formats. < 1286604860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah foo < 1286604867 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody uses "Unicode" to mean UTF! < 1286604868 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ONE < 1286604887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except sometimes the set of UTFs. < 1286604892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286604896 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ONE < 1286604909 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that (sigh. SIGH.) Python is fairly painless about "Hey! You said in the program. You get in memory (let's pretend, anyway.) And you get on output. If you've set the env var correctly. And you're running a sophisticated enough terminal. So! That's that." < 1286604937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Python fucks up its Unicode support outside of the BMP. < 1286604956 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: perhaps I could downgrade "fairly" to "tolerably". < 1286604960 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, alternatives: Perl. < 1286604962 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the BMP-dependence has something to do with support for non-Unicode character sets ... < 1286604976 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby. (actually, i don't know how well Ruby does it.)( < 1286604990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nope. < 1286605019 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell: there is a UTF library which, my impression was, is tolerable, if you have it installed, dear god the packaging system well anyway < 1286605037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: GHC 6.12 has it "just work". < 1286605048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell maxBound :: Char < 1286605055 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know what you're all talking about
< 1286605063 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah, I am currently at 6.8.something. < 1286605072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: wake up! < 1286605075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before that, it used Unicode strings internally but its IO routines assumed Windows-1252. < 1286605107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Actually, the BMP-dependence has something to do with broken handling of UTF-16. < 1286605114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1286605131 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: what's up? < 1286605132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: dead as a doornail < 1286605134 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They use UTF-16 internally. And then go on to assume that 2 octets = 1 Unicode codepoint. < 1286605136 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patience, it's creaky :P < 1286605150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ohhhhhhh. Of course. So stupid. < 1286605152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which is absolutely completely and utterly wrong. < 1286605156 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org = 386 DLX with 16M RAM < 1286605166 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Don't I wish < 1286605172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Money doesn't grow on trees! < 1286605220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aztecs had it _so_ much easier with money < 1286605234 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286605243 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk < 1286605250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DEAD AS A DOORNAIL, I SAID < 1286605253 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1286605261 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell maxBound :: Char < 1286605265 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'\1114111' < 1286605266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Java uses "Modified UTF-8". Which is UTF-8 with *surrogate pairs* and encodes U+0 as 0xC0 0x80. < 1286605286 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286605293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so does Tcl. < 1286605301 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modified: For flavor! < 1286605301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For *external data*. < 1286605313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surrogate pairs. WHY OH WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT YOU MORONS < 1286605357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to blame whoever invented surrogate pairs instead of just deprecating UCS-2, mmkay? < 1286605378 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org ??? < 1286605387 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org solves all problems. < 1286605391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org is the King. < 1286605394 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org is The One. < 1286605398 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I thought UTF-16 *was* two bytes per code point o_O < 1286605426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO AND DID I MENTION NO < 1286605426 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: It is within the BMP, but Unicode extends up to ... 21 bits? < 1286605427 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly are you arguing about, inferior Unicode support for various languages?? < 1286605447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: UTF-16 is two or four bytes per code point. < 1286605472 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, I am confused, there are too many variants < 1286605478 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4 vs. UTF-16 ??? < 1286605489 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOT DAMN. The midwest is the birthplace of Dungeons & Dragons. Gary Gygax was born in Chicago and lived in Lake Geneva, WI, most of his life. < 1286605496 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4 is "write out 32-bit integers" < 1286605499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4, AKA UTF-32, is 4 bytes per code point. Always. < 1286605516 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4 could also be called int * :P < 1286605519 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, this is so boringly technical ... seriously, guys, do any of you even speak / write any languages outside of the BMP ??? < 1286605542 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't speak/write any languages outside of ASCII. < 1286605543 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: はい、日本語で話す。 < 1286605555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, English doesn't fit in ASCII. < 1286605559 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't count if you don't know what it means ;-) < 1286605562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Naïve simpleton. < 1286605572 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't use diaeresis marks or ligatures! < 1286605578 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does? :-P < 1286605586 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone on #esoteric ! Including me. < 1286605587 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I think "naive" is a French loan word < 1286605599 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? It still has a diaeresis mark. < 1286605604 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, Befunge-93 is blissfully ignorant of non-ASCII ;-) < 1286605609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Yeah, but the diaeresis is due to English orthography. < 1286605615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I speak Japanese. CJK is most of the excuse for Unicode. :) < 1286605615 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asciilish spoken here! < 1286605619 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which nobody uses < 1286605632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently, maybe. < 1286605651 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Naive" is pronounced like "knave", "naïve" is pronounced like, well, "naïve" < 1286605655 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so what's the problem? Python, Perl, Java etc. all suck? < 1286605671 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, knave is pronounced like knave ;-) < 1286605676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Java is at least handling Unicode, just in a somewhat stupid format. < 1286605680 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naive is commonly spelled without special diacritics < 1286605694 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I'm being a sarcastic nitwit :P < 1286605704 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. 'cause no dern Americans, dang it, give a crap ;-) < 1286605713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is just *fucking retarded*. < 1286605792 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In its Unicode handling only, or does that extend to, say, its approach to variable scoping? :D < 1286605805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I make no judgements about the rest of it ATM. < 1286605813 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I hear ya. < 1286605826 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its variable scoping couldn't be worse than LISP Classique, BASIC or shell. < 1286605836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But its handling of Unicode is more braindead than 30 year old UNIX programs that are perfectly happy so long as the string ends with 0x00. < 1286605875 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u'' is just another crazy "hope it works" thing to throw on the fire, along with '', "", r'', r"", """""", r"""""" < 1286605894 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually PHP's handling of Unicode is pretty pragmatic. In that it's exactly as supportive of Unicode as C is: You get bytes, and if you want those to be in a format, you do that yourself. < 1286605919 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently Guido took a year to put Unicode into the language. A year. < 1286605919 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where "yourself" really means "with libraries") < 1286605945 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0 was the first with Unicode, and that was ages ago (right?) < 1286605992 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 2.x is only guaranteed to be maintained for a few years (until 3.x kicks in ... though no mainstream Linux includes it yet, AFAIR) < 1286606025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Gentoo has both 2.x and 3.x installed side-by-side. < 1286606032 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/includes it/includes it as \/usr\/bin\/python/ < 1286606052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not by default, no. < 1286606060 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This Unicode module provides Unicode::String and Unicode::Character implemented by pure ruby based on iconv." < 1286606067 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see something like that -> I worry. < 1286606069 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I? < 1286606086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW: s|includes it|includes it as /usr/bin/python| you can use any delimiter. < 1286606099 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Using delimiters other than / is for PUSSIES. < 1286606108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "based on iconv" is hopeful. < 1286606114 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh, no, sometimes it's much easier to read < 1286606115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv does all character sets correctly. < 1286606130 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Really? OK, that is good to hear < 1286606160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, other pet peeves of mine: < 1286606168 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/python < 1286606170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only thing more pedantic is ICU. < 1286606172 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/lua < 1286606175 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ruby < 1286606176 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great. < 1286606183 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/env python < 1286606185 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version of the languages do you guys interpret? < 1286606190 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The latest"? < 1286606192 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic < 1286606215 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/env python, even better. setting myself for a path injection exploit < 1286606248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an exploit if the user can run your program ... < 1286606259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could just run it as .../whatever/python yourthing.py anyway < 1286606282 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only an exploit if the user can set PATH but not run arbitrary binaries, which is a bizarre situation. < 1286606287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: If you've got a malicious python injected into your path you're already fucked. < 1286606314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since that could be anything else injected as well. < 1286606321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(say, ls?) < 1286606360 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the latest" ... I don't understand, you mean you don't like having only one implementation?? or just the constantly moving target? < 1286606416 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the env thing might be a bit paranoid on my part, i admit. still -- i like to know WHICH binary it's going to run... < 1286606443 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they really are between a rock and a hard place ... wanting to abandon 2.x but can't force people < 1286606456 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for "the latest" -- I wrote my script for some version of the language -- can I not say "please interpret it with this version of the language"? < 1286606477 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Anyway, your versioned shebang idea is about as good an idea as symbol versioning in libc. < 1286606479 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only worse. < 1286606490 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And symbol versioning in libc is a friggin' terrible idea) < 1286606505 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286606518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286606519 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl has "require 5.005" or something, right? < 1286606522 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it could be an argument. like /usr/bin/foo --gte 5.0 --lt 6.0 < 1286606532 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Perl does have that. < 1286606541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Minor issue — people are morons. < 1286606548 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That would be tolerable I spose. < 1286606562 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's some way to detect at runtime the appropriate version, even if it's a lame workaround < 1286606591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl's actually got something vaguely reasonable. "package require Tcl 8.5" < 1286606593 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sucks is they implicitly seem to blame end users for not upgrading to 3.x < 1286606596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for that matter, an interpreter could interpret multiple languages. /usr/bin/mysuperwow --lua --version 5.1.2 < 1286606603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voila, you've stated that your program is expecting Tcl 8.5. < 1286606609 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if they were standardized ... but they aren't < 1286606627 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need an ISO language then ;-) which will of course be horribly bastardized and shunned completely by everyone < 1286606637 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript! (Well, ECMA) < 1286606650 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, the only name worse than JavaScript is ECMAscript, sheesh!! < 1286606669 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECMAScript sounds like something you need a prescription for, yes. < 1286606675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: C is an ISO standard. < 1286606685 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EczemaScript ... try it today" < 1286606703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO-9899:1999 < 1286606711 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and you can test against __STDC__ (I think) < 1286606735 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pascal, Eiffel, Ada also have standards. But Perl and Python and Ruby probably never will. < 1286606745 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even REXX supports "parse version" to detect itself < 1286606755 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Perl 6 has a standard and no primary implementation. < 1286606765 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK well Perl 6 is a bit of a freak. < 1286606767 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge doesn't, but I wrote my own lame-o program to test that at runtime < 1286606780 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 6 isn't even finalized < 1286606795 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 6 is, uh, MACHOWARE < 1286606795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Okay, okay, provisional standard. < 1286606796 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been in the works for quite a while, but at least Rakudo Star is semi-close to a stable release < 1286606827 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUGS is (I think?) abandoned < 1286606869 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript gets no love :P < 1286606879 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, my point was: there is a cultural divide here; Python and Ruby and such things don't NEED standards, thankyouverymuch. < 1286606903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I say this now, and tomorrow, someone is going to invent a standards track for Python. < 1286606904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does Ruby need a good implementation. < 1286606905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286606960 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby would be yet another obscure experimental gnarly language, were it not for Killer App Mr. Rails. < 1286606972 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I say this now... < 1286606973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rails sucks worse than Ruby. < 1286606990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But the demo! < 1286607018 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The sound of a decision being made on a questionable basis) < 1286607034 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some form of compatibility or else it's one big nightmare to maintain anything < 1286607037 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Django. Nuff said. < 1286607042 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not standard per se, but something! < 1286607066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a simple policy for web frameworks. It must be at least as good as CGI in C. < 1286607069 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every point release in Ruby seems to break something (at least in theory) < 1286607081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a fairly simple lower bound, but *things fail at it*) < 1286607097 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: A de facto "only" implementation, is usually what. < 1286607102 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286607119 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is dumb, IMHO < 1286607130 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I'm of that school of thought as well. < 1286607266 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything only gets more complicated, more bloated, never slimmer (except Oberon) < 1286607283 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even there, he seemed to almost remove too much :-P < 1286607340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember kids: the backspace key is the most productive key on the keyboard. < 1286607361 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHHHHHH < 1286607437 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286607441 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^? < 1286607466 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to figure out Lua's unicode support (It... doesn't have any.) < 1286607525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that it's halfway to UTF-8 support. :P < 1286607528 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua is extremely minimal in some ways < 1286607538 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not 10 MB Bzip's for a reason!! < 1286607622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should sleep
< 1286607627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the next... 12 hours. < 1286607648 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, it's only 1am here ;-) < 1286607694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLEEP DEPRIVATION SUCKS < 1286607697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD NIGHT < 1286607705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :オヤスミ！ < 1286607720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OYASUMI!) < 1286607908 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sushi yoshi < 1286607925 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tamagotchi matsumoto shigeru < 1286607933 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyundai toyota mitsubishi < 1286607993 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, who was it that was LLVM obsessed? fizzie?? < 1286608008 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody whined about a computed goto bug ... I assume that was fixed in recent release?? < 1286608134 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, cpressey, pikhq, whoever: http://codu.org/tmp/zee2-2010-10-09.ogg zee2, now with FLAVOR! (actually I think I made this one worse ... ) < 1286608267 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This one suffers most from the "disproportionately good piano soundfont" problem, so I had to do some tricks to make the piano less different, but I think that made things all wonky) < 1286608351 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: you're in my timezone! < 1286608363 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CST? < 1286608373 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286608376 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in Chicago < 1286608395 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit further south than you though < 1286608433 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the pizza's not as good ;-) < 1286608678 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"24 hours Gregor Richards Changed to GPL" ... heh < 1286608680 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286608689 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, don't let MS "EEE" your ZEE (or would it be ZEEE?) < 1286608689 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286609596 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I read Herr Wirth call Lisp "esoteric" somewhere ... surely he didn't mean it in the literal sense that we know of ;-) < 1286609735 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286609854 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286609883 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. People call (parts of) Perl and Haskell "esoteric" all the time... < 1286609892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: Hi. < 1286609892 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Meh. < 1286609899 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: @foo = 99 < 1286609899 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: @foo set to 99. < 1286609907 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print [@foo] < 1286609907 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 99 < 1286609916 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND SO IT BEGINS < 1286609919 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I must sleep. < 1286609922 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night < 1286610073 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitey nite < 1286610105 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let the compiler bugs byte < 1286610847 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ruby? < 1286611199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286611200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286611307 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1286611881 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1286615066 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you basing any of this on??? < 1286616873 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286617290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, nice music! < 1286617536 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, a bit repetitive at times though? Probably fits the intended use of it though. < 1286617755 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder how tricky it would be to generate the effects of a binaural recording on a computer? Perhaps on the fly. Would be interesting for 3D FPS games < 1286617904 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-157.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286618482 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seems it has been done to some degree in EAX and similar stuff < 1286619005 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1286620803 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286620813 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286621256 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-related_transfer_function < 1286621259 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286621269 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286622741 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286625274 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286625458 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286627218 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, indeed found that a while after I asked < 1286627333 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286627355 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286627594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286629519 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1286629530 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were those postulates of nakamura < 1286629534 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1286629547 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 'specialization' stuff < 1286629644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1286630174 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286630910 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was somethink like statement that one could specialize an interpreter and obtain compiler < 1286631655 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you mean use the SBCL model of compilation? < 1286631864 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286631885 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there was this japanese surname and cool explanation with pictures < 1286631892 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with tokens and meat mincers < 1286632166 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds cool < 1286632166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm? what is the SBCL model? < 1286632185 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I read that as "heat-related transfer function" and was like What? < 1286632238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, just that functions etc. are compiled at runtime. < 1286632352 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nothing is interpreted. < 1286632366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eval works by compiling a lambda and calling it IIRC. < 1286632388 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, like Factor, except in Lisp. < 1286632412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1286632418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Factor. < 1286632445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: if can be defined in Lisp using only lambdas and macros. < 1286632475 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: You *may* be thinking of "partial evaluation": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_evaluation < 1286632499 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone named Yoshihiko Futamura did significant work on it. < 1286632584 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no it is not Ruby but GreaseMonkey isn't here for me to inform anyway) < 1286632754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yoshihiko Futurama" was what I immediately read that as. < 1286632924 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm < 1286632937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I thought sbcl could compile statically as well? < 1286632943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I misremember < 1286632962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, "static compilation" is a rather misfitting concept in Lisp. < 1286633019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well. mostly because you can redefine a top level function anywhere < 1286633033 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, you could do it by using a lookup table for those < 1286633043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, exactly, the compiler needs to be available at all times. < 1286633081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not really, I think you could compile all code blocks, then have a function name → code block lookup table that could be changed at runtime < 1286633088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be quite a pain though < 1286633095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably would slow everything down a lot < 1286633132 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-103-64.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286633141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, iirc there is some scheme R4RS-minus-breaking-static-compilation implementation. Highly optimising, meant for number crushing < 1286633144 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crunching* < 1286633146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the name of it < 1286633153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask alise, he told me about it < 1286633231 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you cannot do static compilation in Lisp, even with painful hacks. < 1286633267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider (eval `(defun foo () ,(read *stdin*)) < 1286633363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I think that one didn't allow eval < 1286633374 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it a whole lot easier < 1286633377 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme doesn't define an eval IIRC. < 1286633389 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed < 1286633405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme allows (define + -) or such though < 1286633419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which this implementation did not of course < 1286633878 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme exists in part because it does not define eval < 1286633886 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it would be JAL < 1286633892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just Another Lisp) < 1286633966 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't it without eval? < 1286633984 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because it's *Scheme*" < 1286634001 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distinction is less artificial somehow < 1286634312 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: @topic=assignment < 1286634313 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: @topic set to assignment. < 1286634320 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: help [@topic] < 1286634320 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: @a=1 [server-scope assignment] < 1286634382 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: @m=3 < 1286634383 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: @m set to 3. < 1286634389 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print [@m] [@m] < 1286634389 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 3 [@m] < 1286634638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm, what language? < 1286634650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot, hi < 1286634650 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Meh. < 1286634657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: help < 1286634657 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Help is available for: assignment print < 1286634660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: help print < 1286634660 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: print [@a] [send contents of @a to stdout] < 1286634665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print foo < 1286634665 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: foo < 1286634668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print @foo < 1286634669 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: @foo < 1286634672 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print @a < 1286634673 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: @a < 1286634677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhu < 1286634689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print [@foo] < 1286634689 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 99 < 1286634692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print [@jashdjas] < 1286634693 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1286634695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286634786 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot, whither storkbot? < 1286634786 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Meh. < 1286634904 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm making the language up as I go along < 1286635022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm, interesting approach. < 1286635141 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is sort of that the language and the IRC protocl overlap < 1286635155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot, what manner of man are you? < 1286635155 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Meh. < 1286635188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, implemented in lua, with parsing implemented with lua pattern matching. real professional-like. < 1286635362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, heh < 1286635384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so CTCP ACTION will have some special meaning? < 1286635456 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might! < 1286635505 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i want to prevent it from being programmed to send absolutely arbitrary irc commands, though < 1286635542 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too easy to make botloops etc < 1286635630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot, print a\nb < 1286635630 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a\nb < 1286635640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, how does one escape a newline in a string? < 1286635648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot, print foo\nQUIT < 1286635649 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: foo\nQUIT < 1286635650 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one doesn't. yet, anyway < 1286635653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I wnat to do :P < 1286635656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want* < 1286637080 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286637273 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey_ < 1286637362 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1286637447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I was further considering Sierpiński numbers, and I realised that the trit-based scheme I had was /precisely/ equivalent to n-coin Hanoi. < 1286637775 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to them being called rings. < 1286637782 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or discs. < 1286637811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look at Mr Pressey with his fancy /rings/ for Hanoi. < 1286637846 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top hit for "n-coin Hanoi" is this Forth program: http://christophe.lavarenne.free.fr/ff/hanoi < 1286637852 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Google hit < 1286637927 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use: to move one coin between two stacks, enter the name of the third stack; < 1286637933 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how very forthish < 1286638496 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286638568 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286638601 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : . < 1286638866 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :÷ WHAT I JUST DID? < 1286638882 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember posting null string < 1286639029 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.99.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286639227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:42:55 "oh, you WANT this? well, let's start making it" < 1286639227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:44:01 Each bit of the digital audio drives a seperate speaker. The LSB drives a very small one, and the size of speakers doubles for each next bit. < 1286639231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they any good, though? < 1286639241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:45:19 For 16-bit audio reproduction, you need 16 seperate speakers... Starting with a 0.5 cm² driver would mean you would need a 3.2m² speaker system per channel. < 1286639242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :P < 1286639264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:48:12 pikhq: If you actually did that, then moved those speakers away from each other. < 1286639265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1286639271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just arrange them randomly around the room < 1286639497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:25:19 heh, this is so boringly technical ... seriously, guys, do any of you even speak / write any languages outside of the BMP ??? < 1286639515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :entrant in my Most Xenophobic Comment of the Year award < 1286639634 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286639636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BMP? < 1286639765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google it :P < 1286639767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:34:20 "This Unicode module provides Unicode::String and Unicode::Character implemented by pure ruby based on iconv." < 1286639767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:34:27 I see something like that -> I worry. < 1286639767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:34:29 Should I? < 1286639770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1286639774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby has native unicode support since 1.9 < 1286639776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a sort < 1286639786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you shouldn't need that, if it's a third-party lib < 1286639841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:42:02 Gregor: it could be an argument. like /usr/bin/foo --gte 5.0 --lt 6.0 < 1286639845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately there's a limit to shebangs < 1286639859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'd get anywhere from --gte to --gte 5.0 being actually passed there < 1286639865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Google gives no hint as to what "BMP" means in that contexy. < 1286639867 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xt < 1286639868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though; definitely not the whole thing < 1286639870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bmp unicode < 1286639938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:48:24 Nor does Ruby need a good implementation. < 1286639939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:48:25 :) < 1286639941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YARV is... decent < 1286639946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster than python iirc < 1286639966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:49:33 Rails sucks worse than Ruby. < 1286639966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Merb team took over the Rails team, so Rails 3 will be technically better, if not DHH himself ;) < 1286639976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:50:37 Anyway, Django. Nuff said. < 1286639977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1286639980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no. < 1286640080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:28:30 there was somethink like statement that one could specialize an interpreter and obtain compiler < 1286640080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:40:55 What, you mean use the SBCL model of compilation? < 1286640080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286640083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i know what you are talking about < 1286640098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that is not what SBCL does < 1286640107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1286640127 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: nooga was talking about partial evaluation i'm pretty sure < 1286640132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286640133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1286640137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what he is talking about < 1286640140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have read a lot on the matter < 1286640145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are indeed such postulates < 1286640153 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Futurama's postulates? < 1286640154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://lukepalmer.wordpress.com/ <-- this guy did a lot on it a while back, search the archives < 1286640159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286640163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286640166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like that, yeah < 1286640181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't recall the exact name < 1286640207 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: thx < 1286640266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear i will find those postulates :D < 1286640266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Futamura only has projections, not postulates, it would sem < 1286640268 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seem < 1286640297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S IT < 1286640305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_evaluation#Futamura_projections < 1286640315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lukepalmer.wordpress.com/?s=futamura < 1286640338 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yes: alise: nooga was talking about partial evaluation i'm pretty sure < 1286640345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is < 1286640348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not entirely that < 1286640349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's specialisation < 1286640351 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: thx! < 1286640356 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting blog btw < 1286640403 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://blog.sigfpe.com/2009/05/three-projections-of-doctor-futamura.html < 1286640408 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the diagrams of which you speak? < 1286640415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yepp < 1286640418 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx guys < 1286640431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, luke palmer's music: http://hubrisarts.com/luke/Adagio.mp3 < 1286640442 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to show this to my friend < 1286640447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: his blog is awesome, disregard the personal whining < 1286640451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tech stuff is great < 1286640469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: he has some actual work on specialising interpreters and stuff < 1286640492 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sheer size of Unicode amazes me... < 1286640516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planes 3-13 are unassigned. < 1286640539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.sigfpe.com/2009/05/three-projections-of-doctor-futamura.html?showComment=1241544840000#c4193054871836213800 btw < 1286640542 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 11 * (2 ^ 16) < 1286640560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean ** iirc < 1286640562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1286640566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no lambdabot < 1286640570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you'll have to ask for it again < 1286640576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286640638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Guy Steele said..." < 1286640643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that sigfpe blog post < 1286640654 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders what the graph of 4-tower Hanoi looks like.
< 1286640752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:09:37 Scheme doesn't define an eval IIRC. < 1286640753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:17:58 Scheme exists in part because it does not define eval < 1286640753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:18:06 Otherwise it would be JAL < 1286640753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:18:12 (Just Another Lisp) < 1286640756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: cpressey: you are both full of crap < 1286640758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme has EVAL < 1286640785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that RnRS didn't have it at one point. < 1286640820 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Although the three-peg version has a simple recursive solution as outlined above, the optimal solution for the Tower of Hanoi problem with four pegs (called Reve's puzzle), let alone more pegs, is still an open problem." < 1286640866 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... An argument could be made that it would be the Sierpiński pyramid, but that's evidenceless speculation. < 1286640899 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh, indeed it does, R5 at least < 1286640901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, R3RS doesn't have eval. < 1286640906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ignore todo < 1286640906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comparison with the dialect used in [SICP] < 1286640906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare with S&ICP: simple renamings like @t{print}; easily < 1286640906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implemented things like @t{cons-stream}; more grave and controversial < 1286640906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omissions like @t{eval} and @t{make-envi@-ron@-ment}. < 1286640906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@end ignore < 1286640925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or r4rs < 1286640929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently things had it anyway < 1286640934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things = all things basically < 1286640995 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't have eval.
< 1286641036 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the very least I've always perceived the Scheme community to be relatively eval-hostile. < 1286641146 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I suspect the presence of the word "optimal" there implies that there are multiple solutions when you have four pegs. < 1286641186 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that may not matter for you < 1286641198 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a graph of all moves < 1286641204 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's decidable < 1286641217 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....tkwim < 1286641223 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y < 1286641671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twok < 1286641694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I propose we name the Sierpinski sections. < 1286641696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up, left, and right. < 1286641699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or top. < 1286641701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or up. < 1286641703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, up. < 1286641715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how is that equivalent to hanoi? < 1286641719 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1286641750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: wut < 1286641961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: < 1286641965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centre :: Path < 1286641965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centre = U:L:R:centre < 1286641967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what point ist his? < 1286641968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is this? < 1286641971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually the centre < 1286642109 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, Mr Steele, pictures of pictures of things are isomorphic, for our purposes, to pictures of things < 1286642137 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it is the centre. just not the TWO DIMENSIONAL centre. < 1286642152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1286642154 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the three points on middle of the the inside of U, L, and R < 1286642160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS MY CLAIM < 1286642170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm right i can see what it is < 1286642177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the left one inside the upper one? < 1286642178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the whole thing < 1286642181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's at the rightmost edge of that < 1286642188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's not three points, it's one... fractal point. < 1286642192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitesimally close to the hueg no-point space in the middle < 1286642192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1286642310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:56:24 (and no it is not Ruby but GreaseMonkey isn't here for me to inform anyway) < 1286642310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1286642441 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: GreaseMonkey thought storkbot (nee mzstorkipiwanbot) was running Ruby < 1286642512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286642515 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't see why Pic (in the comments of sigfpe's Futamura article) isn't a comonad; given a machine that turns a's into b's, and a picture of an a, we can build an a, feed it to the machine, get a b, and take a picture of it. < 1286642520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Should I give up on ddrescue or let this keep going? < 1286642547 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have missed something < 1286642566 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, no a -> Pic a < 1286642578 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no taking a picture of b < 1286642641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: for what? < 1286642671 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: ~/c=help < 1286642671 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ~/c set to help. < 1286642683 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: ~/t=assignment < 1286642683 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ~/t set to assignment. < 1286642688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: ~/c < 1286642688 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I have no idea what you're talking about. < 1286642691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :racist < 1286642693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286642705 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: [~/c] [~/t] < 1286642706 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Assign a user-scope variable with ~/foo=1. Assign a server-scope variable with @bar=1. < 1286642735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language is crazy. < 1286642745 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what are you basing any of this on??? < 1286642761 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: didn't you ask that last night? < 1286642789 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "didn't you" is relative < 1286642880 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: that's... uh < 1286642896 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: you're prompting me to ask what "any of this" refers to < 1286642941 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: :) < 1286642944 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: thank you, by the way < 1286642975 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: goto goto goto print hi < 1286642975 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hi < 1286643031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: goto < 1286643031 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's wonderful for you! < 1286643035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: goto dengo < 1286643035 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I disagree! < 1286643044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: goto goto goto goto goto goat < 1286643044 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's wonderful for you! < 1286643048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANGUAGE SUCKS < 1286643049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: CD < 1286643074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only real argument for keeping it going is "well, it's not like *I* need to do anything about it." < 1286643076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: something you can torrent? < 1286643090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1286643149 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: damn, do you not syntax error normally ever now? < 1286643149 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I disagree! < 1286643437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: check you can, do so, evaporate CD, inhale < 1286643445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consume content while high on COMPACT DISC < 1286643456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"720x400" Why would you do that to a 16:9 anamorphic DVD? < 1286643654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wonder if Usenet has any better shit than this torrent crap. (It may be faster, but... expiry and stuff.) < 1286643664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shitty crap crap shit. < 1286643715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So anyway: should I try and find that good 95? < 1286643722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Please do so. < 1286643743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall find some coffee. < 1286643751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.torrentz.com/5051d8aebaeb47e223869d656a83d07041adefc7 Your job is to figure out what PS means, and if it means it's worth downloading or not. :P < 1286643857 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pashto. < 1286643877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Indo-Iranian language; one of the two official languages of Afghanistan. < 1286643889 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's a damned fine idea. < 1286643892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The coffee, I mean. < 1286643918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what were you saying about Sierpiński stuff? < 1286643920 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess Pasto is an acceptable idea as well. < 1286643924 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Pashto < 1286643934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, no, that can't be it. < 1286643947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Pashto localisation of ANY version of Windows. < 1286643957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/95/ < 1286643968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's so terrible for an early comic but it's so funny...) < 1286643971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have no idea why < 1286643993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, well < 1286643997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Section = Up | Left | Right < 1286643997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Path = [Section] < 1286644000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAR GOD BROWSERS WHY DO YOU HAVE KEY COMBOS THAT KILL EVERYTHING < 1286644016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: < 1286644016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centre :: Path < 1286644016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centre = U:L:R:centr < 1286644019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*centre < 1286644022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Where's dat < 1286644044 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It spirals, presumably to a fixed point in the top triangle. < 1286644050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems so. < 1286644058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION renames to "foo"
< 1286644068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: now we just have to write a program to plot these points. aieee. < 1286644084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The origin is orig = Up : orig in my scheme. < 1286644090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine too < 1286644092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U:topE < 1286644097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have left and right E < 1286644112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if we say up = 0, left = 1, and right = 2, and it's represented as 1/n... no that doesn't work because of 0 < 1286644118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at the same time we can't use up=0 and no 1/n beacuse then < 1286644122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*because < 1286644123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000n = n < 1286644124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grumble < 1286644128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the problem with this stuff < 1286644130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a different representation < 1286644182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcdsucks is over < 1286644301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh wait i have it < 1286644308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.[the infinite trinary string] < 1286644312 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, it is in the top triangle. < 1286644318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1286644321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts with up :P < 1286644323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if up=0, left=1, right=1 < 1286644325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then this spiral path is < 1286644332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.012012012012012012... < 1286644362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, -- and let's see if i can get wolfram alpha to understand that -- < 1286644364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be something in decimal < 1286644366 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep thinking this is the chaos game < 1286644366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it can also be extended to infinite fractal space. < 1286644419 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286644445 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewriting storkbot's language to be even stupider < 1286644455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sum n=2/3 to inf, (1*3^-(3n)) + (2*3^-(3n+1))" < 1286644456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahaha < 1286644465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in decimal, it's < 1286644479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1923076923....stuff < 1286644495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in binnyree: < 1286644505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0011000100111011000100111011000100111011000100111011000100111011... < 1286644525 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things this method can be generalised to: getting a nice R^n → R bijection. < 1286644530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: now, coordinate 1/pi! < 1286644536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.02212100... < 1286644537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1286644542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up right right left right left up up < 1286644564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not seeing a particularly interesting coordinate there :D < 1286644573 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286644585 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which point is 0 < 1286644591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there is no such point < 1286644596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.00000000.... ? < 1286644596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all points are infinite paths < 1286644598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = 0.000000000000000... < 1286644601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := the topmost point < 1286644603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the tip < 1286644607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topE :: Path < 1286644607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topE = U:topE < 1286644616 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286644641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that hard to make a program to output this, if it's at a certain pixel size there's a point where you won't be able to follow the path further and get any more detail, since you're at the pixel level < 1286644648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output the point on a rendered triangle that is < 1286644658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could even have a zoom :) < 1286644663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any finite path is *not* a point on the gasket < 1286644663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, lazy < 1286644677 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i knew that) < 1286644700 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the finite paths do refer to points on the plane < 1286644708 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no < 1286644709 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not points < 1286644714 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :triangular regions < 1286644719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, no, points < 1286644722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're infinitely detailed < 1286644727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there ARE no points < 1286644728 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: finite paths < 1286644730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "in the limit", as they say < 1286644733 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like U < 1286644734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well yeah but we don't support them :) < 1286644739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't distinguish 0.0 from 0.00 etc. < 1286644746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, they're not terribly interesting < 1286644753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infinite precision is what's interesting here < 1286644754 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, yes you can: U and U,U < 1286644762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but we're representing them as reals < 1286644765 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're well-defined, is all i was thinking < 1286644772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, U->0, L->1, R->2, put 0. in front of them < 1286644775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, coördinate pi! < 1286644776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treat as trinary < 1286644780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila, everything in [0,1] < 1286644782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it (0,1) < 1286644783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1286644786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 0 is included < 1286644788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 is two < 1286644790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1286644792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.222222222222... < 1286644797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leftmost is 1/2 < 1286644811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so our coordinates are all in [0,1] < 1286644827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, we precede it with 0. :P < 1286644834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise U:n would == n < 1286644835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 0000n < 1286644838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := n < 1286644906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you can do things before the decimal point as well. < 1286644917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1286644921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't want to :) < 1286644928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0,1] is the bestest < 1286644934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the abestosed < 1286644939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*asbestosed < 1286645079 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also thinking about arithmetic operations earlier. < 1286645134 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It involved Hanoi moves in a subtle fashion. < 1286645255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that I do not know what this subtle fashion was. < 1286645336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, indeed, is. < 1286645388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I can use the quadtree analogy for the complexes to help... < 1286645407 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, view a complex as a point in [0,1]^2. < 1286645419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1286645428 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We divide [0,1]^2 into 4 quadrants. < 1286645479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, Insane Clown Posse are evangelical Christians < 1286645485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will the amusement ever end? < 1286645500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number in it can hence be represented as a string of quaternary digits, each selecting a subquadrant. < 1286645590 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 0.5+0.5i is therefore 0.2. < 1286645606 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*0.20000.... < 1286645641 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5+0.5i = 1+i, hence 0.2+0.2 = 0.333333.... = 1. < 1286645688 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1111111..... = 0.2, as well, which grates somewhat. < 1286645692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...aww, the Guardian are inaccurate again. < 1286645697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They actually revealed that eight years ago. < 1286645707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Ronson's interview. < 1286645713 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Juggalos for Jesus < 1286645779 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I laughed at the bit where they're all looking at someone attacking "Miracles" and the article says "Violent J suddenly looks at me suspiciously. The woman in the video is bespectacled and nerdy. I am bespectacled and nerdy. Could I have the same motives?" < 1286645803 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1286645814 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too am bespectacled and nerdy < 1286645821 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I hate journalists < 1286645825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'I don't know how magnets work either,' I say, to relieve his suspicions." < 1286645876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286645887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me that's real < 1286645893 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1286645899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is the article but the relevant "song" came out in 2002 so, yeah: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/oct/09/insane-clown-posse-christians-god < 1286645900 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in this week's Weekend. < 1286645912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the article. < 1286645962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Ronson's style with the crazy, since he's completely nonconfrontational, and as such they just make themselves look like even bigger idiots. < 1286645964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Right now, they're gaining the trust of the people who think unscientifically. Then, they're going to reveal how magnets work." < 1286645978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--reddit < 1286646092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["A college professor took two days out of her fucking life to specifically attack us," says Violent J. "Oh yeah, she had it all figured out."]] < 1286646093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286646109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Goths don't do anything in the UK. They're a harmless and essentially middle-class subculture." — Jon Ronson, elsewhere. < 1286646128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Did you know: not a single critic likes Insane Clown Posse? < 1286646129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, seriously. < 1286646133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1286646133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a *single* critic. < 1286646141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is nobody who is not a juggalo and likes them. < 1286646154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't even get a record label to tolerate them despite the gajillions of money they'd make! They have to self-release! < 1286646170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I figured most people would say, 'Wow, I didn't know Insane Clown Posse could be deep like that.']] < 1286646180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking magnets, how deep is this? < 1286646187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not fucking magnets in that way. < 1286646196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I did think," I admit, "that fog constitutes quite a low threshold for miracles." < 1286646197 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fog?" Violent J says, surprised. < 1286646197 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well," I clarify, "I've lived around fog my whole life, so maybe I'm blasé." < 1286646215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286646238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brits, aren't they great? < 1286646243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly he glances at me. The woman in the video is bespectacled and nerdy. I am bespectacled and nerdy. Might I have a similar motive? < 1286646243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know how magnets work," I say, to put him at his ease. < 1286646248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you quoted that seconds ago < 1286646250 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exact quote from that article. < 1286646258 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, that was from memory. < 1286646261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286646261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't ICP specialise in sucking ass? < 1286646269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1286646271 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and fucking magnets. < 1286646274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They suck ass with a rota system. < 1286646280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To fit all the ass-sucking in. < 1286646301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A giraffe is a fucking miracle. It has a dinosaur-like neck. It's yellow. Yeah, technically an elephant is not a miracle. Technically. They've been here for hundreds of years…" < 1286646304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my favourite thing ever < 1286646316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ^^^ < 1286646317 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that article so much. < 1286646322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS THIS NOT THE BEST THING YOU HAVE EVER READ < 1286646325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They must also specialise in being stoned. < 1286646335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause that's the most high thing ever. < 1286646339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they smoke in that article. Who knows *what* they're smoking. < 1286646350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, it's just the most ignorant-evangelical-Christian thing ever. < 1286646366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently *99% of their albums pre-2002*, the ones in that series they did, carnival or whatever, < 1286646368 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well," Violent J says, "science is… we don't really… that's like…" He pauses. Then he waves his hands as if to say, "OK, an analogy": "If you're trying to fuck a girl, but her mom's home, fuck her mom! You understand? You want to fuck the girl, but her mom's home? Fuck the mom. See?" < 1286646369 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look blankly at him. "You mean…" < 1286646369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was all a set-up < 1286646370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get people < 1286646373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to believe in God < 1286646374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: High, ignorant-evangelical-Christian... Same results. < 1286646394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What. < 1286646396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat < 1286646402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat < 1286646407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what??? < 1286646410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what ^ < 1286646413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please decode < 1286646413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286646422 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it could conceivably be clever word play. < 1286646426 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/conc/inconc/ < 1286646435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So, instead of fucking Feynman, we should fuck Jesus. < 1286646447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no, other way round.. < 1286646447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAY NECROPHILIA IS BETTER THAN JUST BEING GAY < 1286646450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus is Feynman's mom? < 1286646456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING < 1286646477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Feynman is Jesus' mom? < 1286646479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus forgot to use immaculate contraception :| < 1286646483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING < 1286646489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEYNMAN IS JESUS? < 1286646493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS < 1286646493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPLAINS < 1286646495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING < 1286646506 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, Feynman is the Virgin Mary! < 1286646513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is also Jesus. < 1286646514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING! < 1286646514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And God. < 1286646526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Father, the Feynman and the Holy Ghost. < 1286646540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286646548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[A fucking elephant is a miracle. If people can't see a fucking miracle in a fucking elephant, then life must suck for them, because an elephant is a fucking miracle. So is a giraffe.]] < 1286646550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just amazing < 1286646569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Violent J shakes his head sorrowfully. "Who looks at the stars at night and says, 'Oh, those are gaseous forms of plutonium'?" he says. "No! You look at the stars and you think, 'Those are beautiful.'"]] < 1286646574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes. < 1286646579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaseous forms of plutonium. < 1286646585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pluto is made out of solid plutonium, obviously < 1286646600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That boy grew up to be Eminem and, incensed, he's been publicly deriding ICP ever since in lyrics such as, "ICP are overrated and hated because of their false identities". < 1286646633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what, Eminem is actually better than Insane Clown Posse. < 1286646644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C'est impossible! < 1286646655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Seriously. Think about it. < 1286646665 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286646669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["So all those unpleasant characters in the songs," I ask, "like the narrator in I Stuck Her With My Wang, they're examples of people you shouldn't be?" < 1286646670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Huh?" Violent J says. < 1286646670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, it's very unpleasant," I say. "'I stuck her with my wang. She hit me in the balls. I grabbed her by her neck. And I bounced her off the walls. She said it was an accident and then apologised. But I still took my elbow and blackened both her eyes.' That's clearly a song about domestic violence. So your Christian message is... don't be like that man?" < 1286646670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Huh?" Violent J repeats, mystified. < 1286646672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a silence. < 1286646674 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I Stuck Her With My Wang is funny," Violent J says. "Jokes. Jokes, man. Jokes. Jokes. Jokes. It's just a ridiculous scenario. Silly stories, man. Silly stories. What's she doing kicking him in the balls? We find it funny. But we're saying, while we're close, while we're hanging, hey, man, do you ever ask yourself what's in your riddle box? If you had to turn the crank today?"]] < 1286646675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if you really need convincing, listen to some ICP. < 1286646679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to post that whole conversation. < 1286646684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Stuck Her With My Wang :D < 1286646705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a great song title < 1286646711 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :We are doing science SO HARD right now! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286646724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are SO HARD doing science right now! < 1286646746 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are SO HARD doing science SO HARD right now! < 1286646754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["Like Stonehenge and Easter Island," says Shaggy. "Nobody knows how that shit got there."]] < 1286646761 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmhsouds like my gf < 1286646763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALIENS < 1286646769 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just replace science with s... < 1286646793 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating < 1286646794 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmh, sounds* < 1286646795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I think if your girlfriend is getting hard you need to seriously ask her what genitalia she was born with. < 1286646807 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb < 1286646830 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Violent J turns to him and says, softly, "If we moved furniture for a living we'd have a bad back or bad knees. We think for a living. We try to create. We try to constantly think of cool ideas. And every once in a while there's a breakdown in the engine… I guess that's the price you pay." < 1286646830 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaggy nods quietly. "I get anxiety and shit a lot," he says. "And reading that stuff people write about us… It hurts."]] < 1286646839 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1286646841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get ANXIETY AND SHIT! < 1286646862 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[He shoots me a defiant look and says, "You know Miracles? Let me tell you, if Alanis Morissette had done that fucking song everyone would have called it fucking genius."]] < 1286646921 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Jon Ronson look so... sinister? < 1286646937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He can't be sinister, he's British. < 1286646957 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/mr_ronson.jpg Just http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/mr_ronson.jpg < 1286646973 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the EVIL in his eyes! < 1286647011 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's also hilarious, so I won't hold it against him. < 1286647090 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: FUCKIN' ALIENS < 1286647103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: How do they work? < 1286647138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/aug/05/familyandrelationships.lifeandhealth is more of the same kind of thing. < 1286647186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ronson meets nutballs, doesn't tell them they're nutballs, they look like even bigger nutballs. < 1286647241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The children nod. And the exercise in telepathy begins. < 1286647241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it gives me no pleasure to say this, but blindfolded children immediately start walking into chairs, into pillars, into tables.]] < 1286647323 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1286647326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to watch the video from that ICP article.
< 1286647383 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-157.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286647462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I may have just found a build of Windows Neptune. < 1286647495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, you know, if you want to see Windows Me reimplemented on top of Windows 2000... < 1286647545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Wasn't Windows Neptune just the precursor to XP? < 1286647552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1286647560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But: < 1286647560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In early 2000, Microsoft merged the team working on Neptune with that developing Windows Odyssey, the upgrade to Windows 2000 for business customers. The combined team worked on a new project codenamed Whistler,[2][3] which was released at the end of 2001 as Windows XP.[4][5] In the meantime, Microsoft released another home user DOS-based operating system called Windows Me.[3] < 1286647569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: tl;dr the teams merged. < 1286647573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah. < 1286647578 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1286647585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Some screenshots of note: < 1286647586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.digibarn.com/collections/screenshots/XP%20Neptune%20Build%205111/aneptunelogon.gif < 1286647589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nunney.me.uk/images/neptune/neptune_7.jpg < 1286647601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.digibarn.com/collections/screenshots/XP%20Neptune%20Build%205111/zneptunebugreport.gif < 1286647643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2534/4110046261_b2285e6e8b_o.png < 1286647653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, you know, if you want an ISO of that... :P < 1286647670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1286647696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An observation that turned out to be prophetic. "From the very beginning of our music, God is in there," Violent J says, "in hidden messages." < 1286647696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can you give me some examples?" I ask. < 1286647696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a small silence. He looks torn between revealing them or maintaining the mystery. He shoots Shaggy a glance. < 1286647696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Riddle Box," he finally says. < 1286647697 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what's up, motherfucker/This is Shaggs 2 Dope/Congratulating you on opening/the Riddlebox/It looks like you received your prize/The cost, what it cost, was your ASS,/bitchboy!/Hahahahah! — (The Riddle Box, 1995) < 1286647710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses so damned much memory to link Chrome. < 1286647765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"95-vista.iso", 7 gigs < 1286647766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not want < 1286647786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 95 FULL < 1286647786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINDOWS 95 UPGRADE < 1286647786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINDOWS 95 OSR2 < 1286647793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only it wasn't on a 2 gig file in .nrg format < 1286647850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay: What about various versions of Chicago (95), Daytona (3.5), Georgia (ME), Memphis (98), Nashville (96!!!), Whistler (XP), Janus 3.1 *and* NT 5.0(!)? < 1286647878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, though, no seeders :) < 1286647881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1286647938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/184957413/?tab=summary < 1286648005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what have you written for the Sierpiński numbers so far? < 1286648030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The structure and a few paths. It isn't difficult to plot a position to arbitrary accuracy, but I am lazy. < 1286648054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, did you like pre-2.0 Amarok? < 1286648059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before they made it shitty. < 1286648068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was rather nice. < 1286648072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://code.google.com/p/clementine-player/ < 1286648076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Amarok 1.4, for Qt 4. < 1286648080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actively developed. < 1286648081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tempting. < 1286648087 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, did you write the Real → Sierpiński injection? < 1286648088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quod Libet is still probably better but *shrug* < 1286648098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Umm, you can't really have reals in haskell. < 1286648101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have: < 1286648102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Section = U | L | R < 1286648102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Path = [Section] < 1286648105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where Path is assumed to be finite < 1286648107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's close enough < 1286648115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to convert from a computable real to this: < 1286648119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in haskell/on a computer/ < 1286648121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure out the algorithm to produce the trinary digits < 1286648129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 0 -> U < 1286648130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 -> L < 1286648131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 -> R < 1286648134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strip off the initial 0. < 1286648138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're done < 1286648144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so e.g. < 1286648145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: Path < 1286648146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = U:L:R:foo < 1286648150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 0.012012012012..._2 < 1286648151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286648151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_3 < 1286648163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that's not the injection I had in mind. < 1286648177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? It works perfectly, and is easy to construct paths with. < 1286648226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I meant getting the path that leads to a point along an edge of the gasket that corresponds to the number in question. < 1286648241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know what? I'm going to write my own fucking music manager. And I might add video support after that, too. < 1286648282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Huh? < 1286648284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: \o/ < 1286648284 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       | < 1286648285 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       |\ < 1286648304 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mainly it's just converting to trinary < 1286648321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what i have is a representation of anything in [0,1] in trinary, yep < 1286648323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anything computable < 1286648330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = U:0 < 1286648332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = R:1 < 1286648337 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing mathematics SO HARD right now < 1286648339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(proof that 0.333..._3 = 1 :P) < 1286648348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Say. Is there a GTK binding for Tcl that exposes a Tk-like API? < 1286648361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I hope so. < 1286648370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tk has a great API, after all. < 1286648377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: TO THE TCL-WIKI-O-SCOPE! < 1286648408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 0.333333...? Surely 0.22222.....? < 1286648414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YES YES SHUT UP < 1286648439 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0.22222222.... isn't equal to 1 here, it's not on the real line. < 1286648471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm. It is equal to 1. < 1286648481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: TCL WIKI DOWN HALP < 1286648493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.111111.... = 1. 0.222222.... isn't. < 1286648505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286648509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.111111111111... = 1/2. < 1286648517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Wolfram Alpha if you don't believe me. < 1286648523 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are you talking about normal trits on the reals? < 1286648534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sum+n%3D1+to+inf,+3^-n < 1286648541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's *what my path is*, except not the reals, [0,1]. < 1286648550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, literally, every (computable) element of [0,1]. < 1286648564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is [] and not () because x = R:x is equal to 1. < 1286648568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x = U:x is equal to 0. < 1286648572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x = L:x is equal to 1/2. < 1286648603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have 1 = L:1. < 1286648631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fix (R:) would probably be a complex, for reasons complex. < 1286648635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ... really don't understand how trinary works. < 1286648636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1286648641 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes I do. < 1286648645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286648647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you don't. < 1286648658 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that 0.22... = 1. < 1286648710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you think it's worth having my player be a client to a music daemon I write? (mpd and xmms2 are insufficient in many ways) < 1286648715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would allow nice plugin-y things. < 1286648822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If you can write a music daemon well, then yeah. < 1286648833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can sure as hell flail around trying to. < 1286648852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1286648882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Behold the pure liquid insanity getting libavcodec and libao to talk to each other requires: < 1286648882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nikolai.luthman.name/misc/queue.c < 1286648958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, .name < 1286648969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Grr, .name. < 1286648974 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that requires .name is already pretty insane :P < 1286648980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you register first.last.name, that means you can never, ever acquire last.name. < 1286648983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, nobody can! < 1286648986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1286648991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's... Moronic. < 1286648992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it expires. < 1286649017 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it implies that it is a website about a name < 1286649018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. I suspect that that is less insane than what it wraps. Sadly. < 1286649052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: TLDs don't work that way thank you. < 1286649075 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or located in a name < 1286649089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLDs have no associated semantics. < 1286649103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except what IANA declares. < 1286649105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know! How about I do everything else and you do the audio code. < 1286649124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Whaaaaaa < 1286649128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And IANA declares that .name be for personal names. < 1286649131 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's funnier if they do < 1286649179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes < 1286649192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: But SOUND IS HARD < 1286649208 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286649214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SO IS UI DESIGN AND I'M DOING THAT PART < 1286649227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I got an ugly function working that kind of shows what I meant earlier. < 1286649241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay. < 1286649244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show? < 1286649256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toSierp x = let x' = x*2 in < 1286649256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x' < 1 then T:(toSierp x') else L:(toSierp (x'-1)) < 1286649286 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a real and generates the corresponding location on the top-left side of the gasket. < 1286649305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1286649308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1286649313 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that the stuff to work out the binary digits is horrible, don't mention it. < 1286649313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you forgot U < 1286649335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I made it "T". < 1286649343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1286649344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's R? < 1286649350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's silly, up/left/right are directions < 1286649353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :top isn't a direction! < 1286649365 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, true, but I view them as names for each section. < 1286649370 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286649374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than as directions in a path. < 1286649434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now for the all-important decision; what language I'll use! < 1286649484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the reason R doesn't feature is because the function is meant to produce a location on the top-left edge. < 1286649512 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So using the path system, it should approach that edge at each iteration. < 1286649526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: @r < 1286649527 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: goto [@r] < 1286649532 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: goto [@r] < 1286649532 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Out of stack space! Well no, but I stopped it anyway. < 1286649627 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: [@r] < 1286649628 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Out of stack space! Well no, but I stopped it anyway. < 1286649769 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so mainly it just needs to convert to trinary < 1286649784 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :format, if you like < 1286649793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, no, it actually does binary conversion. < 1286649817 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because you've decided *part* of the gasket is good enough for you. < 1286649822 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286649837 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really am lost here. < 1286649840 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, in essence. < 1286649846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember how this started. < 1286649873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i think it's all he needs for hanoi or something < 1286649880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to work out what set could come between R and C, which I concluded would be Sierp. < 1286649891 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, that. < 1286649905 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Hanoi is just an incidental tool which aids perception. < 1286649908 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are happy with it being 2/3 of Sierp, then by all means. < 1286649924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, no, it's equivalent to how R lies in C. < 1286649996 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, you are not happy? or no, it is not Sierp? or no, it is Sierp, but modified to be equivalent to how R lies in C, for a better sense of betweenness? < 1286649996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do an R → Sierp bijection just as easily. < 1286650071 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286650076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a subset of Sierp that behaves precisely the same as the real interval [0,1] < 1286650137 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286650254 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: @r=[~storkbot/BRA]@r[~storkbot/KET] < 1286650255 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: [@r] < 1286650259 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: @r < 1286650259 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: [@r] < 1286650266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: [@r] < 1286650267 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ?SYNTAX ERROR < 1286650278 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print [@r] < 1286650278 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: [@r] < 1286650291 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I vaguely hope that I can use it to get a sane definition of addition, but I'm not very confident. < 1286650291 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i do need the goto < 1286650359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I need suggestions for my music software kthx < 1286650368 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I am hopeful. < 1286650384 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, there is no hop! < 1286650400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henry Freeman must give me hop! < 1286650621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proto-plan: cat all the half-life full-life consequences video chapters together, submit to festival < 1286650643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which festival? < 1286650665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick one < 1286650689 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286650718 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fringe! < 1286650765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fringe < 1286650798 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'll walk down the Royal Mile dressed as John Freeman and hand out leaflets to all of those irritating gits who hand out leaflets! < 1286650835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking cannes < 1286650878 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henry who? < 1286650893 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't answer that. < 1286650994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The main character of Halflife Fullife Consequences. < 1286651003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, *Halflife: Fullife Consequences < 1286651022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He lives up to his family name and faces FULL LIFE CONSEQUENCES. < 1286651033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A literary masterpiece. < 1286651035 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286651052 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, John Freeman is the main character. < 1286651056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1286651058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :henry is his brother < 1286651059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henry Freeman is his estranged son < 1286651067 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Gordon Freeman is his brother. < 1286651070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er right < 1286651071 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It truly is a literary masterpiece though. < 1286651073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLOT SO COMPLEX < 1286651083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's tragically killed by Final Boss. < 1286651087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: However, the movie adaption is one of the few that is better than the source material. < 1286651095 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who hates humens because he's from science and outer space. < 1286651097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially Free Man. < 1286651099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a completely new story. < 1286651109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The emotion in that... what, five minute fight scene. < 1286651112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is immense. < 1286651129 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION will watch it all again.
< 1286651141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHxyZaZlaOs < 1286651141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we learn is that the only acceptable kind of science is the kind that makes guns < 1286651144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part 1! < 1286651161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I totally think we should chop the title sequences off them all and put them into one video. < 1286651167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ready for cinematic release! < 1286651184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aliens and monsters are attacking my place! < 1286651221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is sighing at our IMMATURITY right now :| < 1286651230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I love how realistically that train falls. < 1286651237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just sort of wriggles down off the bridge. < 1286651253 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch. From. The. Beginning. < 1286651259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already watched it all. < 1286651264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just re-watching Free Man. < 1286651266 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1286651266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's the best part. < 1286651274 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE YOU ARE HEADCRAB ZOMBIE < 1286651349 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pants are dead! < 1286651360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still not sure what that Portal scene is all about. < 1286651370 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you have not answered my question < 1286651374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or why making that shot flung John around the facility. < 1286651383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or why he falls upwards. < 1286651415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A rocket hit John Freeman but he got up" < 1286651556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way John Freeman Googles to find out how to kill Next Boss.. < 1286651728 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gordon is zombie goast! The emotional torment! < 1286651791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we ever find out what Tobe has done? < 1286651810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a debated point. < 1286651975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was John Freeman doing between the end of What has tobe done and the end of Hero Beggining? < 1286652027 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm disappointed that the narrator didn't pronounce "Tobe" in "What has Tobe Done" as the name Tobe (short for Tobias) < 1286652030 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1286652049 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh n/m < 1286652065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: me too < 1286652074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, we'll get back to science when we have faced FULL LIFE CONSEQUENCES < 1286652074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was like "YES THIS IS GOING TO BE HIL- darn" < 1286652095 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mom has dead! < 1286652417 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1286652476 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, culture < 1286652478 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1286652480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is TOO OLD FOR THIS < 1286652490 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1286652493 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is funny, but < 1286652503 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is terribly, terribly stupid. < 1286652508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1286652509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. < 1286652531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any questions? < 1286652540 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No questions. < 1286652543 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CARY ON < 1286652550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What has Cary done? < 1286652950 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the statue of John Freeman at the end. < 1286652988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did they steal that music from? < 1286653139 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one question actually < 1286653151 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't < 1286653275 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I do. < 1286653298 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fanfiction came first and is unaffiliated with the video production, correct? < 1286653317 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1286653318 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the fanfiction was not, in fact, written in jest. < 1286653325 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was, in fact, written in jest. < 1286653328 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although nobody knew that at the time. < 1286653330 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was? < 1286653332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except the writer) < 1286653345 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1286653345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The writer turns out to be a super-brilliant goon. < 1286653638 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286653649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Agnoistrology – the method by which one may make predictions, give advice, and reveal the dynamics of human relationships without actually knowing anything (very similar to astrology but devoid of any pretense)." < 1286653830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: PLAY VAGRANT < 1286653838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, where's the code? < 1286653852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ~/Code/vagrant/vagrant.py < 1286653859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you want the latest version? :P < 1286653863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes. < 1286653873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you plan to modify it -- i.e. should I bother pasting debug.py too? < 1286653889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286653914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://pastie.org/1209960.txt?key=vditdcajejmoyploowa < 1286653924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Note: This code is short enough that it is, in fact, physically impossible for it to be a game. < 1286653932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are recommended to suspend disbelief to induce the notion that you are playing a game. < 1286653933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1286653946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Because look at it! < 1286653950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even *I'm* not sure where the game logic went. < 1286653960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta be somewhere, right? < 1286653983 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twould be nice if I had any clue what any of this is :P < 1286653990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's a roguelike. And it's IMPOSSIBLY SHORT < 1286654000 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the characters. < 1286654005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: % is food < 1286654007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is potion < 1286654010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is enemy that isn't coded yet < 1286654011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is wall < 1286654013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is money < 1286654015 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should stop eating poison. < 1286654022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S: is satiation in the status bar < 1286654025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can't help it. < 1286654028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You will now hallucinate for N turns. < 1286654040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You may want to press a key like space to wait them out, if your S: satiation is high enough. < 1286654046 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286654049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yubn work for diagonal movement, btw. < 1286654064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Controls: < 1286654067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl, yuvn - move < 1286654076 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I had just been using hjkl :P < 1286654080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q - quaff potion (how much hp you have to move to hp meter is in parens after HP, helps hallucination a bit) < 1286654095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enter - dismiss message; anything dismisses message if your cursor moves after one, i.e. a blocking message < 1286654105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but enter dismisses messages that don't block, so you can see the status-line < 1286654112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also re-hallucinates, which is a bug but too hard to fix < 1286654116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lets you see what everything is if you hold it down) < 1286654120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other key skips a turn < 1286654137 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'snot much of a dungeon :P < 1286654140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S goes to zero, you lose 25 per turn < 1286654148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 hp that is < 1286654156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can survive this with a bunch of potions beforehand and close food < 1286654165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Right now, the recommended playstyle is to rack up as much cash as you can. < 1286654170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, who says it's a dungeon? < 1286654175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ~PROCEDURALLY GENERATED~ < 1286654198 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but your mom is procedurally generated. < 1286654200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And when it comes down to it, I mean, man, this thing is 1421 fuckin' bytes of code. < 1286654210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not counting ending newline, which does nothing) < 1286654228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, and hallucinating is SWEET. < 1286654234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very pretty code too. < 1286654243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. You are obviously serious. < 1286654251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-=(X-x)/17;Y-=(Y-y)/5 < 1286654254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This used to be four lines of if statements. < 1286654260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the scrolling code. < 1286654340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh man. < 1286654343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if U:U%=r(85,115) < 1286654351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised the HORRIBLE POSSIBILITIES that has. < 1286654364 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know wtf that means :P < 1286654371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hallucination count; %= is modulo. < 1286654375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r is random integer between. < 1286654378 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1286654379 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it < 1286654379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's what times hallucination out. < 1286654384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say it's 115 for ages, because of wtf. And you get to 115, right, and it goes to modulo it < 1286654388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it ends up 85 < 1286654394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :115 mod 85 = 30 < 1286654399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you START OVER FROM ALMOST SCRATCH < 1286654401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+30 turns) < 1286654404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other evil like that < 1286654409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be why hallu can last SO FRIKKIN' LONG < 1286654514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if U>r(85,115):U=0;Q('You feel a lot better now.') < 1286654517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem solved. < 1286654525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now only 1417 bytes! < 1286654541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW, good strategy: Get a shitload of potions, q them all up. < 1286654551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then if you run out of foods, just scramble for the nearest foods. < 1286654581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you can't get HP or S above 300, so don't try. < 1286654629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, incidentally, I've got the first bit of the R → Sierp injection you were thinking of. < 1286654637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were thinking of, you mean. < 1286654654 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, your one was the trinary one. < 1286654662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP:308 HOW < 1286654677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHH < 1286654681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? < 1286654764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Interesting detail: Potions can only help with hallucination if you have less than 300 HP :P < 1286654765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biToSierp :: (Fractional a, Ord a) => a -> FracPart < 1286654765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biToSierp x = let x' = x*3 in < 1286654765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x' < 1 then T:(biToSierp x') else if x' >= 1 && x' < 2 then L:(biToSierp (x'-1)) else R:(biToSierp (x'-2)) < 1286654767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now, at least. < 1286654781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, ignore the type signature. < 1286654834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the ugliness of the trinariser! < 1286654840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do realise you need infinite input numbers for that? < 1286654887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite input numbers? < 1286654887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO WHADDYA THINK OF MY GAME < 1286654899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It, like you, is made of fail. < 1286654906 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHH BURN < 1286654914 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → food
< 1286654940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'd like to see you do better in the same number of bytes P:P < 1286654941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1286654975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see you do an MMO roguelike in no more than double the number of bytes! < 1286654984 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286655008 0 :tombom!~tombom@86.24.14.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286655008 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286655008 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286655090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MMO ROGUELIKES DON'T WORK DAMMIT < 1286655103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless anyone who makes a turn has to wait for EVERYONE ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE to make a turn. < 1286655105 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does your mom, and yet here we are. < 1286655262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: POLYGLOT TCL STARPACK < 1286655282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a valid PE/Windows, ELF/Linux, and Mach-O/OS X executable file. < 1286655580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: o.O < 1286655587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or rather: it ought to be < 1286655607 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back. < 1286655620 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what were you saying about infinite numbers? < 1286655641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1286655650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you only have paths that are like < 1286655651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.123 < 1286655654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they all implicitly end with zeroes < 1286655659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning paths have to end in infinite ups < 1286655665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you actually need a custom data structure to represent this < 1286655666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfgk < 1286655693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why do you need a custom data structure? < 1286655700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff < 1286655703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure it out yourself < 1286655707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal lazy lists work fine for the values I've tried. < 1286655843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is no different to any other decimal representation, really. < 1286656039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had realfrac stuff < 1286656041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not sufficient < 1286656086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what? < 1286656088 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1286656100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: for paths < 1286656100 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will give you $1000000000000000000000000000000 for the latest version of vagrant < 1286656128 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so should I use Rationals? < 1286656148 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same executable that is valid for all three? Must be quite creative... < 1286656152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, you should use lists of a type with three elements < 1286656156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: it doesn't exist, it just should :) < 1286656161 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ... < 1286656164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have some sort of standardised multi-executable format < 1286656175 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286656181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's *exactly how I'm representing members of Sierp*. < 1286656277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The realfrac stuff is just how I'm doing the tentative bijective things. < 1286656323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Lame, there's no tclkit package in Ubuntu. < 1286656373 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: stop being lame < 1286656512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: There wouldn't be. < 1286656534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why not. < 1286656548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... It's a single file build of Tcl? < 1286656616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And? :P < 1286656623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Starkits use it. < 1286656680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Okay, good point. < 1286657031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I AM TRYING TO TRY WIKIT HERE < 1286657035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DO IT? < 1286657076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIKIT THE WIDGET < 1286657145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what < 1286657153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I got nothing. < 1286657322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So I have to compile TclKit? < 1286657324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet < 1286657335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Or just download it. < 1286657349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh; got a link? < 1286657372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.equi4.com/tclkit/download.html < 1286657379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: [Information on this page needs refreshed, given that during 2007 the entire engine was replaced with wubwikit. ] < 1286657384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286657450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately http://www.equi4.com/wikis/equi4/218 < 1286657499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ wget http://www.equi4.com/pub/tk/tars/Makefile < 1286657499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ make < 1286657502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, way too difficult < 1286657507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make -f <(curl http://www.equi4.com/pub/tk/tars/Makefile) < 1286657508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AM I RIGHT < 1286657551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/tclkit$ make -f <(curl http://www.equi4.com/pub/tk/tars/Makefile) < 1286657555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This *actually works*. < 1286657560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ONE STEP COMPILE < 1286657652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ADMIRE IT < 1286657669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Nice. < 1286657687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way it could possibly be better is if it created its own temporary directory and then moved the final resulting binary to the current directory, meaning you would not have to create a new directory first to hold the temporary files. < 1286657721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : g++ -o kit kitInit.o pwb.o rec... FAILED: < 1286657721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joy < 1286657983 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, do you have any thoughts on adding Sierps? < 1286658003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nope. < 1286658033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could be done by doing something carry-esque, but I'm not sure. < 1286658093 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286658136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How does one start Wikit's web server? < 1286658148 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with visualising it is that there are points which can be reached by concatenation that aren't part of the gasket itself. < 1286658150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it already running? < 1286658152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, where? < 1286658254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1286658334 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logically, TL + TL = L, for one thing. < 1286658365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, my music server -- I'm wondering what kind of API to expose for clients to connect to. < 1286658373 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since I think it should be section-symmetric, TR + TR = £. < 1286658375 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*R < 1286658376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm thinkin' "just use proper, decent, simple RESTful HTTP". < 1286658384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because why bother inventing a socket protocol < 1286658387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*protocol? < 1286658401 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOAP YOU MUST USE SOAP < 1286658410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WASH YOURSELF DOWN WITH SOAP, NEVER REST < 1286658412 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP < 1286658413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOAP YOURSELF FOREVER < 1286658446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hot < 1286658457 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Drat. I thought pound was new and exciting < 1286658472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, it can be some cool extension to L. < 1286658526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: in case it was not obvious, SOAP is aaaaawful. < 1286658537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I am well aware :) < 1286658543 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1286658562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/soap/simple < 1286658600 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic < 1286658612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't possibly have read it all in that time! < 1286658613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P) < 1286658614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1286658647 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1286658651 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read it before. < 1286658658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Right :P < 1286658717 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what IS new to me is that ESR has an entire HARMFUL domain < 1286658720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, with the quaternary C thing, .01 + .01 = .111.... < 1286658735 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1286658736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1286658737 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be catb < 1286658739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's not esr < 1286658739 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is cat-v < 1286658744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat-v is uriel < 1286658745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.01 < 1286658746 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtle trickery! < 1286658754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angry libertarian plan-9 blowhard -- but fuzzy inside, supposedly < 1286658767 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.01+.01=.1 < 1286658776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what's .01+0.2 < 1286658786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there no 2 < 1286658841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I decree it to be .03 < 1286658851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this was trinary < 1286658855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, quaternary < 1286658856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That took me about 30 seconds of thinking. < 1286658863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's .01+.03 < 1286658934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.13 < 1286658936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1286658944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.01+.13 < 1286658949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.12, actually. < 1286658958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not look like addition to me < 1286658969 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it's not conventional addition < 1286658988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is for binary R, but not for Sierp and C. < 1286658991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286659036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You -- design a decent query language. < 1286659166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am now running the tclkit server. Yay. < 1286659565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: why is lua naff? < 1286659630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. To celebrate the 65th anniversary of the founding of the Worker's Party of Korea, North Korea is now on the Internet. < 1286659672 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what? is it? < 1286659676 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...? < 1286659677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Like, they have internet access?? < 1286659678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a website? < 1286659682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've always had a website. < 1286659684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Err, yes? < 1286659685 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Internet access. < 1286659689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hah. < 1286659694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Restricted to three people? < 1286659698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286659701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1286659704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firewalled? < 1286659709 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restricted to three WEB SITES. < 1286659709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1286659715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: One-based array indexing, verbose control structures, metatable insanity, and lack of non-float numbers (iirc) < 1286659721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're also running a TLD. < 1286659725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.kp < 1286659727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :library is hopeless < 1286659733 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: :( < 1286659744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WANT TO REGISTER .KP NOW < 1286659746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1286659749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a .kp domain < 1286659760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's been up for 3 years, but until now it was administered outside of North Korea, and only hosted sites outside of North Korea) < 1286659774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since Sept. 2010 the .kp ccTLD infrastructure is unreachable." < 1286659800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today, they brought it up domestically. < 1286659804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, just now. < 1286659810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_North_Korea < 1286659825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "breaking news". < 1286659828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Satellite Internet coverage from BGAN and Thuraya is available, offering download speeds up to 492 kbit/s and upload speeds of 400 kbit/s; however it would be extremely difficult to smuggle a satellite terminal into the country.[1] The one Internet cafe in Pyongyang uses a satellite Internet connection, as do some of the more upmarket hotels." < 1286659841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL: < 1286659845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In 2002, North Koreans, in collaboration with a South Korean company, started a gambling site targeting South Korean customers (online gambling being illegal in South Korea), but the site has since been closed down.[2]]] < 1286659867 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286659894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *There is no censorship on it*. < 1286659902 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind the 1-based indexing, the control structures are at least proper words (not "elif" or "fi"), ignore metatables, and floats-only hurts very few programs and enables simplicity and smallness in implementation < 1286660008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat. < 1286660023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: okay, show me an http server in lua < 1286660105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have you ever played Canabalt? < 1286660159 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://keplerproject.github.com/xavante/ is the "usual" one. I last saw it when it was 1.x.. I don't know if they've improved it since then, or if it has gotten bad. < 1286660174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I mean, a simple one. < 1286660176 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/oct/09/insane-clown-posse-christians-god < 1286660180 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is a juggalo. < 1286660200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://adamatomic.com/canabalt/ < 1286660252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They went ahead and hooked their domestic intranet to the Internet. < 1286660260 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://www.steve.org.uk/Software/lua-httpd/src/httpd.lua ? half of it is comments < 1286660264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honest-to-god. < 1286660279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give North Korea another year of existence. < 1286660282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: CANABALT < 1286660295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: lawl "mode: C++" < 1286660302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- A simple HTTP server written in Lua, using the socket primitives < 1286660302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- in 'libhttpd.so'. < 1286660307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY AREN'T THERE SOCKET PRIMITIVES IN THE STANDARD LIBRARY < 1286660329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: So, tell me why Lua is better than Io. :P < 1286660340 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: BECAUSE THERE AREN'T EVEN FULL REGEXPS IN THE STANDARD LIBRARY < 1286660353 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Better than? < 1286660355 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, can you write a complex quaternisation function? I cannot muster the strength. < 1286660355 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. < 1286660362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nothx < 1286660364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what's that mean < 1286660498 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means, why should i spend my time defending Lua from your random criticisms and comparisons with other languages < 1286660612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: because I'm interested to know if Lua actually has any merit? < 1286660663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: merit is subjective < 1286660666 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people like it < 1286660674 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people have used it and continue to do so < 1286660725 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't think it has any merit, ... that's your perogative < 1286660845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sheesh, i'm just asking for reasons why you like it as opposed to other things < 1286660852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the inquisition < 1286661031 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Right now, I like it because it's not Python. < 1286661048 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Same reason I like COBOL. < 1286661058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Lawl < 1286661087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling I'd dislike Lua for the same reasons I dislike Io, but amplified. < 1286661105 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you'd like Lua SO LOUD right now. < 1286661108 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1286661109 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dislike < 1286661154 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286661235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That meme is going to get SO OLD right now. < 1286661455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Please convince me not to make a language. Oh god. < 1286661736 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286661743 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286661877 0 :flippo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reality reasserts itself sooner or later. < 1286662028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffeescript weirds me out < 1286662035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like someone took js and made it too sweet < 1286662039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it's bad if you're code-diabetic < 1286662083 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286662175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code diabetic is so a thing, Gregor < 1286662217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You shouldn't make a language because you will then continue to make your own everything. < 1286662231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And you won't get any of it done. < 1286662233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dude, I'll continue to do that anyway. < 1286662246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, then what language do I use? :P < 1286662259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you'll become me. < 1286662262 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's totally a bad idea. < 1286662305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Cheese. < 1286662315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What. < 1286662317 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: LOLCode < 1286662341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cheese programming language"; third result is cpressey < 1286662346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/hunter/doc/website_hunter.html < 1286662347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what makes a language sweet? < 1286662355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Who knows? < 1286662382 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, make Epigram better? < 1286662391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a demonstration of how the Lua 5.0.2 interpreter can be embedded in a KLD (loadable kernel module for FreeBSD.) It isn't very useful by itself (and somewhat dangerous too, since an infinite loop in the Lua code would hang the machine,) but it shows off Lua's minimalism." < 1286662392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god. < 1286662402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: epigram is not useful for actual programming in the next thirty years :P < 1286662414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't show off Lua's minimalism at all ... < 1286662432 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's very little limit to what you can put in a loadable module ... < 1286662439 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why? < 1286662452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what sucks about dragonfly again? < 1286662462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fff there is not a one-irc-message reply to that at all < 1286662470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's because the code is small methinks < 1286662484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how many IRC messages would it take? < 1286662493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: seventy < 1286662517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sum up? < 1286662521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can't < 1286662527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least as to why it can't be programmed in? < 1286662574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be < 1286662578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't want to, for actual projects < 1286662616 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyyyyyyy? < 1286662645 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the installer < 1286662651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i thought you wrote that < 1286662656 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286662668 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why can't you write actual projects in Epigram? < 1286662681 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many dependent-typed languages are practicable at present, anyway? < 1286662682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Stop asking me the same question fifty goddamn times over! < 1286662685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Epigram itself, or dependently-typed languages in general? < 1286662692 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, 0. Maybe 1. < 1286662702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter, unless someone defies all my expectations in the future. < 1286662704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I never said forever. < 1286662705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said now. < 1286662712 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epigram(no), Adga(maybe) ? < 1286662719 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Agda < 1286662726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, Coq was the maybe, actually. < 1286662748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual software has been written in extracted Coq. The same cannot be said for Agda. < 1286662749 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I always thought Coq was more of a prover than a language. (I know, I know) < 1286662759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda is more of a masturbation than a language < 1286662785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a perfectly nice experimental dependently-typed language (at least in theory). < 1286662803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saving to: `dfly-x86_64-2.6.3_REL.iso.bz2' < 1286662804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4% [> ] 10,343,094 128K/s eta 30m 4s < 1286662810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so slow. may claw own eyes out. < 1286662826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: rate feasibility of this idea: take dragonfly kernel, libc, basic userland, build distro on top < 1286662827 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: PREPARE TO BE AWESOMED or something. pretty sure there's a torrent somewhere actuallyu < 1286662828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But between the idiots who think that it can actually be used to prove things and the awful abuse of Unicode and the instability it's not worked very well. < 1286662843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if i want release or snapshot! < 1286662861 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you... want NetBSD < 1286662863 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286662869 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dinna say that < 1286662875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i tried netbsd < 1286662881 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want release < 1286662883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe a single program there was newer than five years old, and X didn't work. < 1286662888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286662899 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have no idea the hacking they do in the kernel < 1286662934 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a snapshot would probably destroy your network card *from within your vm instance* < 1286662944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286662958 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"_≟_ : Decidable {A = Char} _≡_" ← This is in Agda's definition for *Char*. < 1286662959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: would melding NetBSD's kernel with dragonfly's basic userland be possible? < 1286662974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well uh, that's reasonable < 1286662981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ignore the unicode, it's just < 1286662994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is_eq : Decidable Char equal < 1286662995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1286662999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know the rest < 1286663000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, since when was equals-with-hook an oft-used symbol. < 1286663008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: nah, i can't find a torrent < 1286663010 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, no, because the only places where df's userland differs significant from the others, iirc, is where it has df-specific syscalls etc < 1286663011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's equals with ? < 1286663015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my point is that the Unicode is pointlessly obfuscatory. < 1286663020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is. < 1286663024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah but they have newer shit, most likely :) < 1286663033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you'd hate mathematical notation < 1286663035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think *that's* bad < 1286663047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't, really. < 1286663059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are worse ones, though < 1286663100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i just don't want to use the linux kernel :) < 1286663240 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINIX! < 1286663287 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286663314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear that package management, configuration management and service management are all the same thing. < 1286663353 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286663367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people actually write proofs of things in Agda? < 1286663371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286663383 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Agdaers? < 1286663396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286663404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well -- < 1286663405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1286663409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only as part of writing Agda libraries and the like. < 1286663446 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that theorem with the completely crazy name? < 1286663454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many. < 1286663464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, bunzip2 is slow. < 1286663471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't actually many theorems in the standard lib. < 1286663472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. lzma is faster. < 1286663484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get a progress report? < 1286663515 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286663554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1286663572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Which BSD kernel and libc/basic userland do you think is most liable for tracking in a distro? >_> < 1286663593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE DRAWIN < 1286663595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DAWRIN < 1286663599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DNIWAR < 1286663600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DNIRAW < 1286663602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DARWIN < 1286663606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DARNIW < 1286663618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DARNIT < 1286663631 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, once PureDarwin exists, sometime in 2054 or so. < 1286663662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fuck that shit, OpenDarwin already existed and booted so it can be done from scratch. < 1286663675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no reason why I can't just start from the actual Darwin source tree. :P < 1286663735 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newer versions of Darwin have dependencies on components that are neither open source nor distributed separate from Mac OS X. < 1286663825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So fork DarwIn! YAAAAY PRACTICAL < 1286663828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, such as? < 1286663844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://7447233378926839072-a-puredarwin-org-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/puredarwin.org/puredarwin/welcome/macports_on_pd.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7cq5T0oxzuthiQdPogaqT6mtYXq9GhIGWpl72eNj8j1006-kEE0sGJOES_62ghsZ79nYjq3zPB31pep_NV3ZBIRpZSDQEpMlm_xWOYL-LoIJtJgZHp_nSt3f5mTolN3VxbfVGNOmZUK1tSSnYrUdgf8sH-DBZEIoS4FmQ9a_yXmJ6yTkvz3K6uDvTDmecIGcOtNToc454YMvYUX_pZ1sZTuwXV-PEw%3D%3D&attredirects=0 < 1286663845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as http://google.com/search?q=site:puredarwin.org+blockers < 1286663849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PureDarwin on real hardware < 1286663855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running a GUI < 1286663860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem so blocked to me < 1286663867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With VNC, admittedly, but hey, it's XFCE. < 1286663869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it runs MacPorts. < 1286663895 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1286663907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin sucks, anyway. < 1286663923 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it does :P < 1286663945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out, taking Mach and throwing a monolithic kernel on top of it, then declaring that you use a microkernel architecture, is a silly way to build an OS. < 1286663970 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An OS with a binary format that trades a useful feature (TLS) for a useless feature (fat binaries) < 1286663978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sucks how the current method of creating a BSD is basically "Fork. EVERYTHING!" < 1286663991 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD is not Linux. < 1286663991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: TLS? < 1286663996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it isn't. < 1286663999 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thread-Local Storage < 1286664005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is there something wrong in the idea of creating a BSD distribution? < 1286664014 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1286664016 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just cultural. < 1286664030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I say that that fact sucks. < 1286664037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC-BSD is the only "BSD distro" I know of. < 1286664047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Finland&diff=next&oldid=332117 < 1286664051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's basically FreeBSD with a package manager and an installer. < 1286664063 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Debian GNU/kFreeBSD X-P < 1286664063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would you consider yourself a duck? < 1286664079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but then you have to use Debian and it's even less polished than the Linux version :P < 1286664089 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A) Using Debian is what cool people do. < 1286664098 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) The real issue is then you have to use glibc! < 1286664103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Debian is what desperate people do. < 1286664112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Sweet, DragonflyBSD panics when booting in VirtualBox. < 1286664152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Gentoo FreeBSD. < 1286664157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have to use Gentoo. < 1286664171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not GNU/kFreeBSD. It's FreeBSD with Portage.) < 1286664172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Gentoo's package system isn't appreciably different from ports anyway. < 1286664190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ports is a bunch of BSD makefiles. ... Seriously, that's it. < 1286664207 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so portage is the port concept minus the suckiness :P < 1286664217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portage has nothing to do with ports < 1286664218 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting how much FreeBSD sucks. < 1286664221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it baffles me why anyone thinks it does < 1286664227 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286664254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, Portage is *inspired by* Ports. < 1286664262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, whatever :P < 1286664270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people think it goes further than that. < 1286664276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure does. < 1286664283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1286664285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1286664286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you mean. < 1286664288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure doesn't. < 1286664311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time anyone says the words "USE flags", I want to punch them. < 1286664314 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portage tastes like elephant ears. < 1286664319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what < 1286664321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portage is "take the basic concept of a source-based packaging system and do EVERYTHING ELSE DIFFERENTLY". < 1286664348 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portage tastes like salt-water taffy? < 1286664355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you use the DVD, you can login as root and start a GUI with 'startx'." Note: lie < 1286664366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a CD, not a DVD, but they don't link to any DVDs. < 1286664369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, obviously, completely and utterly different from Ports. :) < 1286664376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MD5 (dfly-gui-i386-2.6.1_REL.img.bz2) = (not yet available) < 1286664377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see. < 1286664381 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You can only startx if you burn it to a DVD. < 1286664382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck y'all. < 1286664385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I approve < 1286664398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so is this really your installer? < 1286664413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's experimental. < 1286664465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING: HAMMER filesystems less than 50GB are not recommended! < 1286664485 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. I. What? < 1286664500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Apparently I may have to prune-everything a lot or something. < 1286664507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's to do with the storage model and the journalling and stuff. < 1286664518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, fifty gigs?! < 1286664522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286664695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone give me random pairs of quaternary numbers in the interval [0.1]. < 1286664747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm clang in static analyzer mode is reaaaaaaaaaaaally slow < 1286664760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to be expected though < 1286664770 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does make using it a bit more painful for large projects < 1286664803 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume the "interval" [0.1] is from 0.1 to 0.1, inclusive? < 1286664856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's a quaternary number < 1286664869 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number in base-4, presumably. < 1286664879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1286664900 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So 0.1 is 0.25 decimal) < 1286664916 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i have no idea if it is anymore or not < 1286664966 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: use the freebsd userland. it'd be the most... what's the word < 1286664973 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oomphatic < 1286665001 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other "BSD distros"... MidnightBSD, I think, is one < 1286665029 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't distro well < 1286665048 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they insist on having a "base system" instead of putting the core userland, etc in packages < 1286665149 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HAMMER filesystem? is first i've heard of it but I'd guess it is HARDCORE JOURNALING FILESYSTEM MADNESS < 1286665196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Had any luck with '95? < 1286665375 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286665662 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286666399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no < 1286666408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1286666414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i suggest purchasing the cd < 1286666465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: does your installer have an ascii dragonfly on a blue background in the background? < 1286666531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why aren't all inits service managers? < 1286666563 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like using IPv6 ocassionally has wonky problems. Like some sites being very slow to load even through system DOES have working IPv6 connectivity. < 1286666623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: That's because there's fewer IPv6 routes. < 1286666641 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks almost like packets get dropped somewhere because of routing trouble. < 1286666840 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286666890 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT: AFAICT, the sent packets do make it out the LAN to the next gateway with proper return address. < 1286667020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1286667071 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@xdsl-83-150-123-242.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1286667075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1286667077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1286667079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1286667082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1286667084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1286667086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm back < 1286667092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1286667092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1286667094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE MISSED YOU < 1286667095 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286667097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meeeeeee < 1286667101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER LEAVE < 1286667125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know why i came back? < 1286667130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1286667138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and why did you leave *sniff*) < 1286667139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm completely wasted < 1286667143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have you met oklopol before? < 1286667148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: stay wasted if it makes you come back. < 1286667206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286667241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up? < 1286667247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long have i veen absent < 1286667248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been < 1286667286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ages < 1286667290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you popped in < 1286667293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few months ago like august < 1286667295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only for days < 1286667299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that... months and months < 1286667303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey and i met once, he was talking about groups and i was disagreeing < 1286667313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::() < 1286667315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286667322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, how dare you :| < 1286667324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a horrible person ain't i < 1286667334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cpressey was the evil one here. < 1286667349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey was the evil that lead to my absense? < 1286667357 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: have. i. met. oklopol. before. < 1286667369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does the Pope shit in the woods?? Is a bear catholic??" < 1286667383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i'll have more time once university settles down a bit < 1286667386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you sure you mean disagreeing, rather than waging nuclear war on < 1286667422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not sure i said anything, i just recall cpressey said something about that b... thing i disagreed about < 1286667429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burrow or something < 1286667432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bundel < 1286667435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beglar < 1286667437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baiter < 1286667438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so do you hate him or not :D < 1286667439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binser < 1286667452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom < 1286667455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunnon < 1286667459 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wait? no! hi oklopol < 1286667465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello cpressey < 1286667472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to meet you < 1286667472 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286667473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww happy family < 1286667483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: burro < 1286667486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i have written some python that will make you proud < 1286667487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan" < 1286667488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1286667494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here know nivat's conjecture < 1286667508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shuffles, points to oerjan
< 1286667513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :novay < 1286667522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://pastie.org/1210292.txt?key=hcfdup8hv8dd9hovd40myw this is a game! written in python! < 1286667527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha because it's like norway < 1286667529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is coded exactly like you code verything < 1286667536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you appreciate my skillz < 1286667540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean awesomely < 1286667559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do realize i don't code *anything* nowadays < 1286667564 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286667565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well yes but < 1286667567 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: were you also who kept making me explain better why i thought there was no ring-language? < 1286667568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: shut up and admire my program < 1286667587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sounds like something i would do < 1286667596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286667645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: tbh i don't see what that does, some sort of rogue? < 1286667665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1286667675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it abuses integer division and wildly uses booleans as integers < 1286667676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1286667678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's just how i roll. < 1286667681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1286667685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286667688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's pretty fun, try playing it < 1286667697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so btw < 1286667700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monsters don't even bother you right now, how cool is that < 1286667702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had a friend over < 1286667708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time in like 3 years < 1286667719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why are there cans of dogfood everywhere?" < 1286667721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you count my gf's friends) < 1286667722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 91 < 1286667727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i hope that's the right number < 1286667729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he stayed for 10 minutes < 1286667731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286667733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote porridge < 1286667756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would love to try it, but it's not a program, it's just text! < 1286667773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i think i may have been on wifi all this time. < 1286667779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: save it as vagrant.py < 1286667782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run it with python :| < 1286667785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you knew that. < 1286667798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i do have python < 1286667804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not proud of that < 1286667829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait are you on windows? < 1286667834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not work if so. < 1286667857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saved it as vagrant.pyu because of my mention-worthy drunkenness < 1286667869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you rename files? < 1286667900 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286667903 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286667904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286667908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you right click on them < 1286667909 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286667910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and choose Rename < 1286667918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or press f2, that might work < 1286667921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after having selected it < 1286667942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know where folder options is in vista... < 1286667948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286667985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's .txt and windows has this retarded "show user the suffix but don't let them change it" thing < 1286667992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it probably won't work on windows < 1286668004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since windows python doesn't ship with curses because it's fucktarded < 1286668046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286668050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be true < 1286668066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but turns out the problem i mentioned does have a rather intuitive solution < 1286668093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just change the suffix if you like, i don't know why i couldn't the first time i tried < 1286668118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah doesn't ship with curses said it < 1286668123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'says < 1286668127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*says < 1286668171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you have the ability to install something < 1286668173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you too drunk < 1286668185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286668191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could install curses < 1286668196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://adamv.com/dev/python/curses/ < 1286668200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might work. < 1286668214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not *that* drunk < 1286668220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1286668231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems my avast is still pirate < 1286668247 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logic circuits that work at 500 degC using microelectromechanics... Aren't there semiconductor circuit technologies (very exotic) that work at 750 degC? < 1286668282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1286668305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: quick guide to playing vagrant while you attempt to install wcurses. < 1286668329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl is left/down/up/right, yubn is diagonals, you can figure out those yourself < 1286668338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% is food, boosts S, S gets to zero, you lose 50 hp/turn < 1286668339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being drunk _should_ help with cursing < 1286668347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is potion, adds to the meter that comes after HP < 1286668352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is inactive enemy < 1286668353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is money < 1286668354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is wall < 1286668357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is funny < 1286668367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q takes hp from the counter after the hp, adds it to hp, helps with hallucination a bit, and shit < 1286668369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T is turn count < 1286668373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is you < 1286668379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you eat food, 1/15 chance of being rotten < 1286668383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes a little bit of hp off < 1286668384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you hallucinate < 1286668389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is polite < 1286668391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the next 85-115 turns < 1286668403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, and enter dismisses a message if you wanna see the status bar < 1286668410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if your cursor goes after a message any key dismisses it and lets you move < 1286668410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy it to your "site-packages directory" what the fuck is a site packages directory :D < 1286668414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise it's not a blocking message) < 1286668419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wherever python is\lib\site-packages < 1286668428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and finally, any other key skips a turn. < 1286668452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hallucination is AWESOME < 1286668454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1286668474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've hallucinated? < 1286668479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the game < 1286668484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you eat food, 1/15 chance of being rotten < 1286668484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : takes a little bit of hp off < 1286668484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and you hallucinate < 1286668486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you still in that institution thing < 1286668490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurrrrrr < 1286668490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no < 1286668494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1286668501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please elaboray < 1286668502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :te < 1286668509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah and holding down enter is useful since you can usually make out what the tiles are, when hallucinating < 1286668510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that < 1286668514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it re-hallucinates < 1286668517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "i'm out" < 1286668524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely < 1286668525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286668531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that, yes < 1286668534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1286668539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really cool < 1286668543 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1286668545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happened like a month or two ago :P < 1286668548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286668550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1286668551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1286668558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: they kicked me out for being insufficiently crazy < 1286668563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :) < 1286668570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: joke stolen from ais523 < 1286668600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, well anyway that's pretty cool < 1286668617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured once in always in < 1286668625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- optimist < 1286668638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1286668664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what the FUCK is packet mode < 1286668695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1286668713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay umm < 1286668733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme guess, something isn't working < 1286668735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm too drunk for curses because i pressed the button and your program still won't run! < 1286668740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what error! < 1286668757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probably it says curses isn't installed, i didn't look < 1286668758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme look < 1286668790 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: heh. um... i knew, once