< 1288051200 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about module-assistant? < 1288051208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did you know that fglrx sucks ass? < 1288051208 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I seen that used instead of dkms < 1288051220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't suppose radeon works with your card? :P < 1288051223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, yes. Hand me money to get a better graphics card. < 1288051233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't suppose radeon works with your card? :P >_> < 1288051235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But, uh, hm. < 1288051257 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the problem with debian is that for anything related to building packages there are 5 different standard systems. At least < 1288051301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, found the bug. < 1288051326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's been unified a lot semi-recently. < 1288051338 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLS would be way more secure if people acutally used its capabilities... :-) < 1288051365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just look at the various system to apply patches. Or the various ways to build kernel modules < 1288051368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1288051389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They've got surprisingly few for being continuously maintained since 1993. < 1288051397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true < 1288051411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still enough to be confusing to the casual package compiler < 1288051415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it. Let's see about getting Radeon working. < 1288051437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what is that about "Extended Validation" you sometimes see < 1288051455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Didn't you find the bug? :P < 1288051467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But -- wait. < 1288051473 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least presently extended validation is more secure... < 1288051473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You probably just need a more recent fglrx. < 1288051479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In my experience, packages lag behind ... a lot. < 1288051481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What card do you have? < 1288051500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd rather not have to futz with installing a single package from Sid. < 1288051504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nonono. < 1288051507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The official AMD package. < 1288051515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a Radeon HD 3200. < 1288051517 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, how does it help? < 1288051524 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For fun, someone posted to one list sightly edited (normal) CPS (from early 90s) and sightly edited modern EV CPS and then asked to guess which was which... < 1288051527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.42&lang=English < 1288051550 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is an R600... < 1288051555 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Less CAs to issue bad certificates. :-) < 1288051560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I did select 64-bit, interestingly it says x86 but whatever. < 1288051567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But, uh, it doesn't look like a Debian package. < 1288051570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeaaah I'd try radeon. < 1288051570 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And supposedly better verification... < 1288051574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so the browser limits who it trust with EV? < 1288051613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no idea how to switch which driver X11 uses in this new, Xorg.conf-less world. < 1288051625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You, uh, haha, don't really. < 1288051628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just install radeon and not fglrx. < 1288051634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It should work automagicaly. < 1288051638 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288051640 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entiere chain has to be marked valid for EV for EV validation to succeed. < 1288051650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, hm < 1288051660 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not all root certs are (to say nothing about sub-certs). < 1288051690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How do you tell which driver *is* being used? < 1288051702 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, xrandr iirc? < 1288051702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the logs < 1288051705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/var/log/Xorg* < 1288051711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh wait < 1288051712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. < 1288051735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's usually pretty prominent. < 1288051744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just grep whichever drivers you think it might be :P < 1288051748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, glxinfo | grep vendor < 1288051767 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*maybe* < 1288051834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in a bit, then. < 1288051842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait. < 1288051884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1288051885 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1288051968 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some people do expect the EV criteria to slide (race to the bottom in same manner as has happened to DV certs). < 1288052028 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-238-244.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288052045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi pikhq < 1288052053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the headquarters of all piks < 1288052092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that you need to install "evil" firmware for it to actually accelerate stuff. < 1288052118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... What the hell, it's not accelerating GL. < 1288052127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It claims to be but there's no way it actually is. < 1288052178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What, glxgears going slowly? < 1288052181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protip: Don't use glxgears. < 1288052185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... pathological. < 1288052193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Try something more real. < 1288052202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was using mplayer -vo gl < 1288052212 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand now I see the logs. < 1288052225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dri] This chipset requires a kernel module version of 1.17.0, < 1288052225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dri] but the kernel reports a version of 2.0.0.[dri] If using legacy modesetting, upgrade your kernel. < 1288052228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dri] If using kernel modesetting, make sure your module is < 1288052230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dri] loaded prior to starting X, and that this driver was built < 1288052233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dri] with support for KMS. < 1288052235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[dri] Disabling DRI. < 1288052238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm* < 1288052240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lol < 1288052250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What driver? < 1288052252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radeon or fglrx? < 1288052253 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radeon < 1288052258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know what? < 1288052262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just download radeon from AMD. < 1288052265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1288052267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just download fglrx from AMD. < 1288052271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely it can't be that bad. < 1288052287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Even if it does just have an installer, you can use checkinstall. :P < 1288052315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And, uh, yeah, Debian is great when you're not trying proprietary stuff... and the open-source graphics drivers suck immensely. < 1288052322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: LOL@everyone who uses anything that isn't intel < 1288052343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just. GAH. THE PAIN AGONY AND STUPID. < 1288052351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESPECIALLY THE STUPID. < 1288052381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In Debian's defence, it totally isn't their fault. < 1288052387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, this actually is. < 1288052400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Isn't it fglrx's? < 1288052404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1288052406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Isn't it radeons's? < 1288052408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*radeon's? < 1288052415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They built the X driver with a need for kernel modesetting and the kernel without kernel modesetting. < 1288052426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Pretty sure the kernel has KMS... < 1288052431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [dri] If using kernel modesetting, make sure your module is < 1288052431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [dri] loaded prior to starting X, and that this driver was built < 1288052431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [dri] with support for KMS. < 1288052451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. < 1288052471 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : But some people do expect the EV criteria to slide (race to the bottom in same manner as has happened to DV certs). <-- DV? < 1288052485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It'll be a package. < 1288052490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: aptitude search linux | grep kms < 1288052495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep -i kms, maybe. < 1288052496 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Domain Validated (the ordinary kind). < 1288052547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never heard of big/little-endianness being referred to as "byte-sex"...
< 1288052552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, right < 1288052554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But http://www.winehq.org/myths#only_x86 does! < 1288052593 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, never mind, it is *certainly* loading the KMS version of the Radeon module. < 1288052617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Holy carp -- linux 0.01 isn't under GPL. < 1288052640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Although its "license" is terribly unclear; I can't even tell whether it's viral or not. < 1288052647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, yes it is. Probably. < 1288052693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone understand why ubuntu christian edition and the like exist? < 1288052701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, what? < 1288052714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ARGGH. < 1288052717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than a really warped centring of your life around your religion? (ok, so that's a "reasonable" thing to do if you take religion literally, but not in the watered-down half-beliefs we have today) < 1288052733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also ubuntu muslim edition! SORRY, they renamed it "Sabily" < 1288052736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ubuntu christian edition" <--- duuude this is October, not April < 1288052739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "My Way" in TERRORIST LANGUAGE. < 1288052746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Sabily-menu.png < 1288052749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pre-installed Islamic software! < 1288052750 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-69-124-2.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288052754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally Islamic green colour screen! < 1288052767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatic DDoSing of Salman Rushdie's website! < 1288052814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://ubuntuce.com/ < 1288052824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: CE stands for Christian Edition, not AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1288052857 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need proslytizing edition < 1288052859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://christianubuntu.blogspot.com/ <-- And here's a mockery of it! < 1288052863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Ubuntu Christian Edition the mount command calls the sermon script. Ensuring you always get a sermon on the mount." < 1288052869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ubuntu Christian Edition is Three in One... Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu Christian Edition" < 1288052879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ubuntu Christian Edition 7.04 will be called "Chaste Fawn"" <-- win < 1288052897 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : note: CE stands for Christian Edition, not too! <-- that is AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1288052899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1288052899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fai < 1288052901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1288052905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lolwat < 1288052907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For 40 days before Easter, Ubuntu Christian Edition works in text mode only." < 1288052916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, cursor went spare < 1288052918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : note: CE stands for Christian Edition, not AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE <-- that is AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE too < 1288052920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What are you giving up for lent?" "X11!" "You're meant to give up something you *like*." < 1288052923 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was what I *meant* to type < 1288052961 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, joke right? This is like the "getafirstlife" website right? < 1288052969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, the actual from-ATI driver then. < 1288052969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://christianubuntu.blogspot.com/ is a joke < 1288052972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ubuntuce.com/ is not < 1288052979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Plus checkinstall. < 1288052984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1288052993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Even though checkinstall is a bit urgh. But, yeah. < 1288053017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About dialogue for Gnome's Wanda the Fish panel applet: "Wanda has no use what-so-ever. It only takes up disk space and compilation time, and if loaded it also takes up precious panel space and memory. Anybody found using it should be promptly sent for a psychiatric evaluation." < 1288053037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does run a command when clicked, though! < 1288053086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MADE ONE UP < 1288053104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "wanda"? < 1288053107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard of it < 1288053110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In Ubuntu Christian Edition, configuring your network card to promiscuous mode is forbidden. < 1288053117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that needs... tightening up. < 1288053122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has potential! < 1288053134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a little fish that swims backwards and forth in a tiny 8-frame animation on your panel. < 1288053134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, looks dead: http://ubuntuce.com/download.htm < 1288053143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you hover over it, you see "Wanda the Fortune Teller". < 1288053147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you click it, it runs fortune. < 1288053148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank (hah) god for it being dead < 1288053155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But Sabily is alive! < 1288053269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You know, I have a friend who has Yggdrasil. < 1288053278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he was going to upload it at one point... < 1288053281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be AWESOME < 1288053285 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288053287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/Yggdrasil-linux-summer-94.JPG < 1288053300 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288053301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FHS compliant! < 1288053310 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1288053310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX! elvis and Emacs! < 1288053322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A beta release was made on 18 February 1993.[4].[7] The beta's cost was US$50. LGX's beta release in 1993 contained the 0.99.5 version of the Linux kernel, along with other software from GNU and X.[7] By 22 August 1993, the Yggdrasil company had sold over 3100 copies of the LGX beta distribution.[8] < 1288053322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The production release version carried a pricetag of US$99." < 1288053324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pricey! BUT WORTH IT < 1288053337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/yggdrasil/ < 1288053344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GUESS WE DO NOT NEED MY FRIEND AFTER ALL. < 1288053352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He switched to Slackware quickly anyway. < 1288053366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also has a NeXT box of some sort, the lucky bastard. < 1288053380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "MCC Interim Linux was a Linux distribution first released by Owen Le Blanc of the Manchester Computing Centre (MCC), part of the University of Manchester, England) in February 1992. MCC Interim Linux has the distinction of being the first Linux distribution capable of being independently installed on a computer.[1]" < 1288053385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SLS wasn't the first, then. < 1288053395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1288053407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Prior to its first release, the closest approximation to a Linux distribution had been H J Lu's "Boot-root" floppies. These were two 5¼" diskettes consisting of the kernel and the minimum tools required to get started. So minimal were these tools that to be able to boot from a hard drive required editing its master boot record with a hex editor.[4]" < 1288053423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i just realised XFree86 < 1288053424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free 86 < 1288053427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three eighty six < 1288053428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free eighty six < 1288053432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*immense groan* < 1288053512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So wait, how did you assemble the USB stick? < 1288053518 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you got that only now? < 1288053522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yup. < 1288053529 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is like the largest wooosh of this channel ever :P < 1288053541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I thought it was "Free X running on the 86 platform"... since, like, 86 was quite a common suffix for x86 stuff. < 1288053549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pronunciation pun... nope, never realised. < 1288053553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I made a FAT filesystem, syslinux'd it, copied the vmlinux, initrd.img, and the iso onto it, made an appropriate syslinux.cfg, and booted. < 1288053562 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think it was intended to be read both ways < 1288053573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Care to tell me where I get the vmlinux and initrd.img from? :P Is it the... the hd-media thing? < 1288053579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yeah. < 1288053582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1288053596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Could you give me your syslinux.cfg? I've never made one before >_> < 1288053603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, did the... tarred thing not work? < 1288053607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The boot.img.gz. < 1288053614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It seems that this creates a not-installable package. < 1288053618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinfoil_Hat_Linux < 1288053621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't bother. < 1288053622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sweet :P < 1288053626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syslinux.cfg, I don't recall. < 1288053633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway this woooosh is so big that it covers almost all of the wooshing ever done in this channel. Meaning you can mathematically ignore any woooshing done against me :P < 1288053634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have it plugged in? >_> < 1288053642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1288053642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not *that* big :P < 1288053649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard anyone pronounce it, after all. < 1288053652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, worth a try though :P < 1288053661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: It seems that this creates a not-installable package. < 1288053664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Checkinstall automatically installs it. < 1288053669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1288053671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*checkinstall < 1288053672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, and it fails to install that package. < 1288053689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' sprunge.us < 1288053692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1288053698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 2>&1 | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' sprunge.us < 1288053704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, can you say <&2? < 1288053706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be cool. < 1288053707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wait. < 1288053713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what I mean. < 1288053715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, pikhq, that :P < 1288053725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sooo. This sucks balls. < 1288053739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: 2>&1 | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' sprunge.us < 1288053750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: srsly, you're not the only user of these cards, there will be a solution :P < 1288053781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THERE IS A BUG REPORT ON IT AND HAS BEEN FOR A MONTH. < 1288053789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YES BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO USE DEBIAN AND ALSO AMD CARDS < 1288053793 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THE ONLY COMMENT IS "WELL, WORKS IN SID. CLOSING." < 1288053803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: THERE IS A BACKPORTS REPOSITORY FWIW < 1288053819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyway, beats Gentoo :P < 1288053848 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the fucking video drivers build in Gentoo. < 1288054011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Chill < 1288054013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1288054093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it would so be easier to write a simple kernel than this shit :P < 1288054100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah :P < 1288054119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, <&2 would no do what you want, since it is an output stream < 1288054122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1288054134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you *can* pipe in an input stream of course < 1288054165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To install wine in Ubuntu Christian Edition, you simply enter apt-get install water." < 1288054192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Should I upgrade to sid? < 1288054192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not* < 1288054199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, backports? < 1288054199 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BET-NEE-SD < 1288054208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you like having as much breakage as Gentoo but with actual new software? < 1288054211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Does not exist for testing! < 1288054214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If so, yes! If not, no. < 1288054214 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION takes deep breath and holds nose
< 1288054215 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ouch < 1288054217 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288054230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, currently testing is exhibiting breakage. < 1288054237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nay, brain damage. < 1288054237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Try installing just the .deb from sid. < 1288054242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It works in... some cases. < 1288054253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://packages.debian.org/sid/x11/ < 1288054271 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the only thing I want is a dkms package. It may just work. < 1288054271 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do it from source deb, more reliable < 1288054280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What Vorpal said. < 1288054297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You'll probably want to install whatever gives you "debuild(1)". < 1288054300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no quotes < 1288054303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does all the crap for you. < 1288054306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I never been able to install a newer binary .deb on ubuntu. With source debs it sometimes worked < 1288054311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even worked quite often < 1288054351 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh? I just do apt-get source foo && cd foo && fakeroot debian/rules binary < 1288054363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I thought that was what you were supposed to do? < 1288054363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yes. But debuild also does that for you :P < 1288054386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is of course a screwy build system, especially if you need to patch something < 1288054397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because there are 10 different systems for patching series of patches < 1288054419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in devscripts. < 1288054428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - debuild: wrapper to build a package without having to su or worry < 1288054428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : about how to invoke dpkg to build using fakeroot. Also deals < 1288054429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : with common environment problems, umask etc. [fakeroot, < 1288054429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lintian, gnupg] < 1288054431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ^ < 1288054434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ^ < 1288054452 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 15 different automated tools for generating packages semi-automatically, of which 12 are broken enough that the result would be heavily patched by the package maintainer < 1288054463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1288054473 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least both arch and gentoo are consistent in how packaging is done < 1288054499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's only one way you're meant to do though really :P < 1288054501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*use < 1288054507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: from SLS: < 1288054508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : smaltalk.tgz 08-Sep-2003 15:09 321K < 1288054519 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is a bit annoying when you need to patch the package :P < 1288054524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it happens I had to do that < 1288054527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's GNU Smalltalk xD < 1288054530 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happened* < 1288054535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| Copyright (C) 1990, 1991 Free Software Foundation, Inc. < 1288054540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, things were smaller back then < 1288054551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, more fun. < 1288054560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1288054563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had fun we can only dream of < 1288054567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never got anything done < 1288054568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1288054581 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean, trying to sort out the IRQs for the ISA cards? < 1288054593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... have never done that and hope to never have to. < 1288054602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant more like the kernel being buggy and gcc sucking (well it still does but). < 1288054608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nor have I, but I heard about that < 1288054614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had to be done sometimes < 1288054634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ISA was very much not pnp < 1288054640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1288054653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sad how badly Linux/GNU/etc. have gone :( < 1288054667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, they're all fundamentally terribly designed, but they could be a hell of a lot more fun, < 1288054668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fun. < 1288054679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean, more ISA buses < 1288054684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere along the line someone decided to stop trying to do things differently from Windows and Mac OS. < 1288054691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1288054711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, TIME TO WORK ON elliottOS? < 1288054721 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not caps because I tab completed and was lazy) < 1288054731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: elliottOS isn't even intended to be developed right now :P < 1288054741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have to go through Mitosis first! < 1288054747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, good point. It is intended to be planned < 1288054749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and re-planned < 1288054752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the time < 1288054753 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1288054756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Plan? < 1288054759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, I haven't planned anything. < 1288054763 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 8! < 1288054768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes. < 1288054776 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could call it that < 1288054778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan8 < 1288054779 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1288054785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan10 would be better < 1288054791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"because the 9th one didn't work" < 1288054796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be your slogan < 1288054797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the platonic perfect OS. There is no possible way I will name it after anything else. < 1288054801 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288054805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even naming it something that's a word is questionable! < 1288054806 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP* < 1288054810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: It works?!?!?! < 1288054813 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1288054816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1288054823 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just comin' up for air. < 1288054824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what are you referring to? < 1288054831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ? < 1288054832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NetBSD. < 1288054840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh catseye is playing with that? < 1288054847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Playing" < 1288054851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: He's trying to install it as his OS. < 1288054854 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't PLAY with NETBSD. < 1288054862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, oh? < 1288054865 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetBSD is ALL WORK. < 1288054865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye is a hardcore BSD mothafucka. < 1288054869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't diss his shit. < 1288054874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1288054881 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BUSINESS < 1288054884 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL BUSINESS. < 1288054886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : catseye is a hardcore BSD mothafucka. <-- aka, playing with it < 1288054887 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs
< 1288054889 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds much less stupid. < 1288054932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Dammit, now I want to make a nice little Unix kernel. < 1288054936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing big and professional like gnu... < 1288054940 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, UNIX!? why on earth < 1288054945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, XD < 1288054952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because it's like linux 0.01 except I don't have to get Minix working! < 1288054967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I get to BUSYCODE (like busywork but for code -- protected mode, gdt, etc.) < 1288054976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, would 0.1 be so bad? < 1288054977 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FMOMNBUWNS may or may not be unix, we're not sure. < 1288054981 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also bochs < 1288054982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1288054984 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tried it yet? < 1288054987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not yet. < 1288054991 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do it then < 1288054992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I might be installing Debian for chrissakes! < 1288054996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to decide that first :P < 1288055001 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in bochs? < 1288055003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth < 1288055007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you install < 1288055008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... no, on this :P < 1288055013 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288055031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope ~/Code fits into RAM. < 1288055037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, my migration plan: < 1288055041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Boot Debian installer. < 1288055044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Copy ~/Code to ramdisk. < 1288055049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Install Debian, wiping out Ubuntu. < 1288055053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Copy ~/Code back. < 1288055054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, going from ubuntu? < 1288055054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Reboot. < 1288055056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah < 1288055058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe < 1288055063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is wrong with ubuntu? < 1288055066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends if i can get a patched freetype :D < 1288055071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I got bored of it! Also, uh, uh. < 1288055078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you have separate /home < 1288055079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1288055081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have software ADHD, dude. < 1288055084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. No I don't. < 1288055094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I never will, so nyah :P < 1288055097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, now you realise why you should have had that < 1288055101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1288055105 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *power failure while installing* < 1288055107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wait, I have a USB stick. < 1288055110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just copy it onto there. < 1288055111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh. < 1288055112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, better idea < 1288055119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, it's the USB stick that'll have Debian on it :P < 1288055119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unless you use that for install media < 1288055125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, large enough? < 1288055126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's the media holding the installer... < 1288055129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not what I'm installing to. < 1288055131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 4 gigs. So yes. < 1288055139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right then < 1288055143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything bigger than a few kbs would be something I could just redownload :P < 1288055165 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't forget ~/.ssh if you use such stuff < 1288055172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't ssh anywhere atm. < 1288055172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This single look into Debian's build environment is fucking nuts. < 1288055174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and probably ~/.mozilla for firefox < 1288055177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "debuild" < 1288055179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Job done. < 1288055182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1288055188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Still fucking nuts what it's doing. < 1288055189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't use Firefox. And I'm not really concerned about my Chrome profile. < 1288055194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And I though RPM was nuts. < 1288055197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bookmarks and such < 1288055197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Works, though. < 1288055204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh what happened? < 1288055205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, dpkg is way better than rpm, it's just everything on top of it that's insane :P < 1288055206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1288055208 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cron job < 1288055209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't have any bookmarks :) < 1288055217 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :started raid array check < 1288055218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort of a neo-pseudo-luddite in my extreme post-modernity. < 1288055224 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot it is that night in the week < 1288055225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is impermanent! < 1288055235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't have that problem, I don't have RAID! Ha ha ha! < 1288055237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or backups! Ha ha ha! < 1288055238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now where does it put the debs? < 1288055244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's alright though, because I don't do anything worth backing up. < 1288055248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I did, it'd be on the web somewher. < 1288055249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*somewhere. < 1288055261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Linus Torvalds backup system) < 1288055266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... No, seriously, where? < 1288055271 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in the parent dir? < 1288055271 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check < 1288055279 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Javascript syntax for anonymous functions is fugly < 1288055279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough. < 1288055283 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at least it exists < 1288055283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Retarded. < 1288055292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't know how debbuild is invoked, I used the manual way < 1288055302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yup, everything on top of dpkg is nuts. < 1288055321 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: there is no beautiful syntax for anonymous functions. < 1288055344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, lambda in scheme? < 1288055351 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's is nice. C#'s is nice. < 1288055355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, one of C#'s) < 1288055357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, I like the haskell syntax too < 1288055364 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk's is nice < 1288055370 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rather essential < 1288055384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, I have to admit that the erlang fun syntax is quite onerous < 1288055389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C#'s isn't nice. < 1288055390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's infix. < 1288055392 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually, Smalltalk's could be better, I guess < 1288055393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infix lambda sucks. < 1288055399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk's is nice. Very nice. Perfect even. < 1288055404 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that is "fun" as in a keyword, not "fun" as in funny) < 1288055422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp's is terrible. < 1288055429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how so? < 1288055432 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infix howso? < 1288055434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Compare: < 1288055441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lambda (x y z) ...) < 1288055442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x y z -> ... < 1288055446 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is C#'s much different from ... Oh < 1288055447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now which one would you find yourself using all the time? < 1288055454 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, C#'s doesn't have the indicator thing < 1288055455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would you find bothersome? < 1288055455 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's what makes it a "fun fact" HAHAHAHA < 1288055457 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the latter looks like haskell without () ? < 1288055461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Haskell doesn't have (). < 1288055467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just use that when it's an argument to group it. < 1288055474 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes that is what I meant < 1288055475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax is just \args -> expr. < 1288055477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Right. < 1288055478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, got this installed properly... < 1288055481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is: The Lisp one gets hugely in the way. < 1288055483 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you going to be here until 7AM again? < 1288055485 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you usually need it for lambdas though < 1288055489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Probably. :) < 1288055507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, to reboot! < 1288055514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288055523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lisp syntax almost always gets in the way < 1288055528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1288055532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, while awesome it is often too verbose < 1288055543 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delegate(){} (another C# syntax) is verbose. function(){} (Javascript's) is verbose < 1288055550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone who says that S-Expressions are the perfect syntax is deluding themselves. < 1288055552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I said it before, but a joke can never be repeated too many times: I prefer a syntax between lisp and perl < 1288055575 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there worse than Javascript's? Javascript's just a bit verbose < 1288055577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby's block syntax is nice: {foo} or {|x,y,z| foo} or even do ... end or do |x,y,z| ... end. < 1288055577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note, metajoke) < 1288055590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter two let you use stuff that takes lambdas as block control structures. < 1288055593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former two are just nice. < 1288055594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the haskell syntax for it is nice < 1288055594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1288055595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby screws it up. < 1288055604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By making them "blocks" and functions can only take one. < 1288055605 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexps are the ultimate as an "intermediate format" for syntax. People who prefer to write in intermediate formats ain't human. < 1288055611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's not a real first-class argument. < 1288055615 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not even objec.. right < 1288055620 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-238-244.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288055626 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's for syntactical reasons < 1288055627 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we need m-expressions < 1288055631 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VICTORY < 1288055637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: m-exprs aren't that good :P < 1288055641 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true < 1288055647 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the worst? < 1288055657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: jot < 1288055691 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta say Ursala. < 1288055725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Ehh, I'm... yeah. < 1288055727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. < 1288055732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it has parts of speech. < 1288055736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, link? < 1288055739 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is true, < 1288055740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jot takes the cake for being the most useless. < 1288055745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, google turns up nothing useful < 1288055770 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, google is stupid. < 1288055772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.basis.netii.net/ursala/ < 1288055778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thanks < 1288055784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :queens = < 1288055784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%np+~command.options.&h.keyword.&iNC; -+ < 1288055784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ~&iNC+ file$[contents: --<''>+ %nLP*=; * '<'%='[ '+ ','%=', '+ '>'%=' ]']+ ~&rSSs+ nleq-<&l*rFlhthPXPSPS, < 1288055784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ~&i&& ~&lNrNCXX; ~&rr->rl %tLnLtXLLWXMk+ ^/~&l ~&lrrhrSiF4E?/~&rrlPlCrtPX ~&r; ^|/~& ^|T\~& -+ < 1288055784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -<&l^|*DlrTS/~& ~&iiDlSzyCK9hlPNNXXtCS, < 1288055785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^jrX/~& ~&rZK20lrpblPOlrEkPK13lhPK2; ~&i&& nleq$-&lh+-, < 1288055787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^/~&NNXS+iota -<&l+ ~&plll2llr2lrPrNCCCCNXS*=irSxPSp+ ^H/block iota; *iiK0 ^/~& sum+- < 1288055794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The reference manual is beyond amazing: http://www.basis.netii.net/ursala/manual.pdf < 1288055797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every page is a new "wow". < 1288055800 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google: reducing you to the masses, one seamless "typo" correction at a time. < 1288055806 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this looks like J syntax on steroids in unreadability < 1288055816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: J syntax is perfectly logical and comprehensible. This is not. < 1288055828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This is postfix except that commands can actually cause N previous commands to be as if in parentheses. < 1288055830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... and... < 1288055834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ... even I don't understand it. < 1288055837 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The parts of speech just make it worse! < 1288055873 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like when you're hearing someone speak German and suddently you pick out a borrowing like "Hum-vee" < 1288055875 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It's ... even I don't understand it. <-- well.. you don't understand agda either iirc? < 1288055885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, not the stdlib code! < 1288055896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then neither do they. < 1288055914 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why does the manual start discussing FSMs < 1288055916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than < 1288055917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say < 1288055918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax < 1288055928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uh, it's a "paper"-style thing. < 1288055940 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is not a good reference manual though < 1288055946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, syntax isn't very important in a theoretical language. < 1288055952 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION going to try NetBSD again - someone suggested disabling ACPI for FreeBSD, so... there's a chance
< 1288055956 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no implementations? < 1288055959 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1288055961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... < 1288055974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh read that as "hypothetical" < 1288055975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1288056007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|=&mnS; -+ < 1288056007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˆHs\ ̃&hS *+ ˆ|ˆ( ̃&,*+ ˆ|/ ̃&)+ -:+ *= ̃&nS; ˆDrlXS/nleq$- ̃&, < 1288056007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ˆ= ˆH\ ̃& *=+ |=+ ==++ ̃ ̃bm+ *mS+ -:+ ̃&nSiiDPSLrlXS+- < 1288056008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I’m a big fan of C, as all real programmers are, but I still wouldn’t want to use it for anything too complicated." < 1288056008 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1288056012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to nominate this for worst footnote ever. < 1288056017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that < 1288056021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :filtered line noise? < 1288056022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Code! < 1288056034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The command to invoke the compiler is fun." -- because it's so much fun. < 1288056065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm on that page and the formatting makes it clear what was meant < 1288056067 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike on irc < 1288056076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I know that. < 1288056082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't even intending to make a formatting joke. < 1288056090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smooth fullscreen Flash video. < 1288056091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VICTORY < 1288056096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Srsly? < 1288056098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even I don't get that :P < 1288056106 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had problems with that on my system < 1288056109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvidia though < 1288056126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ fun --main=" ̃&nSiiDPSLrlXS" --decompile < 1288056128 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1288056139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Note this: < 1288056140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ fun cad sys --main="optimized sys" --cast %nsSWnASAS < 1288056156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Since all data compiles to what amounts to a list of list | [], the only way to interpret data in any way is to cast it explicitly to a certain type. < 1288056159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That cast argument is... a type. < 1288056175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is the type a list of list too? < 1288056185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Presumably it compiles down to that. < 1288056197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (or else isn't actually an ursala expression; dunno) < 1288056218 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, so it uses church numerals or something for representing numbers? < 1288056219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you know if you can get a patched freetype/fontconfig (I forget which) with the Ubuntu patches? :p < 1288056223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Something like that. < 1288056229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But I think it has "optimisations". < 1288056236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I hope it does. < 1288056261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, seriously. IT WORKS. < 1288056268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: Do you know if you can get a patched freetype/fontconfig (I forget which) with the Ubuntu patches? :p < 1288056269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1288056277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not really. < 1288056285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean -- not one in the repos. < 1288056288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But DEAR GOD SMOOTH FULLSCREEN FLASH VIDEO. < 1288056295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah yeah I care about my text :< < 1288056324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you certain this language is not an extremely sophisticated practical joke? < 1288056331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Pretty certain. < 1288056331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not noticing anything odd about the text rendering here. < 1288056345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's because you don't have subpixel rendering on. < 1288056350 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1288056354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how can anyone in earnest think that this is a good idea. < 1288056356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then your eyes are simply broken. < 1288056358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's already using the proper hinting. < 1288056365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There is obvious blue and red colour fringing that you are not perceiving. < 1288056372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's not the hinting, it's the actual renderer. < 1288056382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I scrolled down a bit and suddenly it showed circuit diagrams < 1288056383 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1288056388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WHO KNOWS < 1288056404 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am *definitely* not seeing fringing. < 1288056410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Screenshot plz. < 1288056435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /home/elliott/Code/ < 1288056435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fltk netcat pyadt pythoncard wl < 1288056438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo, nothing worth preserving < 1288056456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Know a screenshot program? < 1288056460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tend to not unpack my old ~/Codes on a new system until I use them.) < 1288056462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: scrot. Hands down. < 1288056483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Basic usage: "scrot foo.png"; you can also add delays and restrict it to a window, etc.; see the manpage. < 1288056547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Remember when Xfce decided to imitate OS X for a release? < 1288056548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cause I do: < 1288056550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.2-1.jpg < 1288056551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.2-3.jpg < 1288056678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the former or? < 1288056688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Both. < 1288056708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the latter doesn't seem very OS Xish to me < 1288056713 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1288056716 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1288056731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dock-style launcher + in the second one, see any resemblance? http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/empty/macosx102.png < 1288056744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ^ < 1288056763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Any screenshot luck? < 1288056933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Perng. < 1288056998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sorry, I was crushing it from 3.6M to 56K. < 1288057002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/rvqnwc/screenshot.png < 1288057022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I sort of need a screenshot of black-on-white text to be able to tell. < 1288057027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inverted font rendering is weird. < 1288057032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1288057044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, you have it on full hinting. < 1288057052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you won't see the screwiness. < 1288057055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Try Slight hinting. < 1288057056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch the pain. < 1288057128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay then. < 1288057129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION alarms at his tongue
< 1288057156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what you're telling me is that my preference for full hinting is a workaround because Freetype sucks? < 1288057196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Something like that :P < 1288057205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: On the other hand, you get terrible distorted typography! < 1288057208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Enjoy! < 1288057222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is the only way to make Japanese fonts clearly readable that I have found. < 1288057226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from bitmap fonts. < 1288057229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which SUCK. < 1288057230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Takao looks lovely here on Ubuntu. < 1288057234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Go on, say some moonspeak. < 1288057244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :龍 < 1288057251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Don't want to offer any more? < 1288057280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Share some moonspeak :P < 1288057287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :龘 < 1288057301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, congrats. *That* is an unreadable blur. < 1288057309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note, not readable anyways. < 1288057314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: However, you could easily identify it as "unreadable blur". :P < 1288057325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an archaic character for "verbose". < 1288057343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uploading. < 1288057346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, no, that's not the one. < 1288057347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://imgur.com/SebMI.png < 1288057354 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the appearance of a dragon walking. < 1288057356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: First one looks fine here, considering how low the resolution is. < 1288057365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What kind of fucking dragons do they have in Japan? < 1288057376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some astounding rendering there. < 1288057392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, the only thing that renders fonts nicer than this is OS X. < 1288057414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which is why I want the Ubuntu patches :P < 1288057418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But it's okay, I can always build my own. < 1288057419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously have not been able to get it to look non-shitty without using full hinting and Meiryo. < 1288057427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: This is with slight hinting and Takao. < 1288057434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... On any OS. < 1288057439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The non-Japanese font is Ubuntu Sans :P < 1288057452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as Trebuchet MS: The Slightly Different Lookalike! < 1288057477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm gonna boot Ubuntu now. < 1288057478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1288057480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian installer. < 1288057491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You will either see me soon or never. < 1288057520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo. < 1288057528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: While I install, enjoy this image of an Apple //e being bootstrapped using a current-generation MacBook Pro. < 1288057542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1288057555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevenf/4925237989/ < 1288057559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1288057562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1288057562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by peer review < 1288057963 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288057990 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288058300 0 :distant_figure!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1288059050 0 :catseye!~root@99.94.155.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288059060 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it runs NetBSD! < 1288059090 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288059124 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants a browser that can easily change the rendering engine used in each tab
< 1288059171 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My school's website might be set to use Gecko, other sites WebKit or Pesto < 1288059175 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Presto? < 1288059364 0 :branan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presto. < 1288059380 0 :branan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how easy it is to integrate Presto without mad hacks, since Opera is closed-source... < 1288059420 0 :branan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But certainly integrating webkit, gecko, and (on windows) trident *should* be possible < 1288059496 0 :branan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that you'd ever want to use trident >_> < 1288059636 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288059642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm totally talking to you from lwm. < 1288059669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I should probably stop messing around and install Xfce. < 1288059735 0 :catseye!~Chris@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288059739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it worked? < 1288059740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bravo < 1288059751 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked. you weren't here! < 1288059763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I am here via logs! < 1288059782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Okay, now use pkgsrc or the binary package manager to put Xfce on there and get away from Windows :P < 1288059844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I've just got Debian installed! So I'm going to install Xfce now, bee are bee. < 1288059845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288060149 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1288060195 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My prefered rendering engine attempt order might be Presto > WebKit > Gecko > Trident < 1288060344 0 :elliott!~elliott@91.105.93.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288060347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1288060347 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288060350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Xfce depends on HAL. < 1288060352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1288060369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all. < 1288060370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288060466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr at tongue < 1288060479 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes it's just being harmless
< 1288060483 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Painful, but harmless, I hope < 1288060659 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1288060729 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288061227 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288061256 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1288061323 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288061346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Got Grey Mist to hand? < 1288061409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288061443 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288061462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know what module to blacklist to SHUT THE FUCKING PC SPEAKER UP? < 1288061530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1288061531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test2 < 1288061682 0 :branan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288061704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288061713 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288061718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Seriously though, Grey Mist :P < 1288061856 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: when I think I've completed my facebook page, I still have 5 images left.. what did I miss? < 1288061883 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I don't know, they're hiding from me too :P < 1288061918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo elliott < 1288061919 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott elliott < 1288061991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Bleh, it's so unpolished. :P < 1288062017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Midori should be speedy, right? It uses WebKit so presumably SquirrelFish Extreme. < 1288062058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: With WebSplat. < 1288062090 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Should be OK. < 1288062114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Experience so far is exactly like previous Debian experiences, death by a thousand little niggles that Ubuntu doesn't have :P < 1288062117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: JS speed is NOT WebSplat's chokepoint, so the fact that it uses SquirrelFish Extreme is nearly irrelevant. < 1288062128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's slower than Chrome. Uh. < 1288062129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Ugh. < 1288062136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs Chromium...
< 1288062422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Woo Chromium ignores my fontconfig settings for no apparent reason < 1288062438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOVIN' IT ALREADY < 1288062815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ping < 1288062881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Grey Mist? Coming right up. < 1288062881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And, yeah, Chromium has always ignored fontconfig. VERY ANNOYING. < 1288062881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme just install curl so my sprunge script works again... < 1288062889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: All those messages came in at once. < 1288062896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/IIcN < 1288062944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from pikhq: 46.58 second(s) < 1288062944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Ping reply from pikhq: ? second(s) < 1288062948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, my cord got unplugged and it took me some time to notice. < 1288062962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Xfce focuses a window if you use the scroll wheel in it. HATE HATE HATE < 1288062966 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wow, that link tries to open in gedit ... nice one! < 1288062995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari's browser is configured terribly :P < 1288063000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the eso-std pastebin did *that*. < 1288063004 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe it's xchat < 1288063010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1288063018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does stuff like that, iirc. < 1288063087 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I could not get pkg_add to recursively add dependencies for me so I ended up fetching them all manually with ftp. Urrgh. < 1288063096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Isn't it just -r? < 1288063098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whatever? < 1288063105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: You *do* have the manual *right there*. < 1288063113 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It just hangs! < 1288063121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Did you set the mirror variable? < 1288063122 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with -v - no output! < 1288063129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tells you to in the guide~ < 1288063130 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PKG_PATH? yes! < 1288063139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Did you sacrifice goats? HOW MANY? < 1288063146 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL OF THEM < 1288063150 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW MY STABLE IS EMPTY < 1288063155 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i am a pauper < 1288063160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What's the directory to the gtkrc again? < 1288063164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/.themes/GreyMist/gtk-2.0/gtkrc? < 1288063176 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, point was only: bbbare bbbones system setup for now. < 1288063177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|Yep. < 1288063178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yep. < 1288063194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yuh. < 1288063204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ew, the lack of menu padding makes the Xfce menu a bit ugly sometimes :P < 1288063207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever. < 1288063214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sets the terminal to black on white.
< 1288063228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Green cursor Xfce? Really?) < 1288063262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you know how to make the xfwm window border less WTFTHICK? < 1288063273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION enables display compositing.
< 1288063276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly everything is smoother! < 1288063340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Settings -> Window Manager Tweaks -> Compositor -> [*] Enable display compositing. [ ] Show shadows under dock windows. Settings -> Panel -> Transparency: 0%. < 1288063346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: This makes everything so much smoother. < 1288063355 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nice. < 1288063432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Any ideas wrt WM border? < 1288063455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1288063481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm working on Grey Mist 1.0. :P < 1288063502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1288063525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know how Grey Mist is like THAT CLOSE TO PERFECT? < 1288063528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally makin' it perfect here. < 1288063668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1288063715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm. In the gtkrc, look for [xy]thickness. Can you set them to 2, change theme away, and change theme back? (This reloads it...) This makes one or two things bigger, namely the menu line and tabs and stuff. Just wondering what you think. It's a bit more space but it also seems a little less cramped. Open to input. < 1288064032 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288064110 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288064174 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288064500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: My userbase is so enthusiastic :P < 1288064679 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288064740 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Busy. < 1288064751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: NO WORK IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN GREY MIST < 1288064756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're FIRED < 1288064863 0 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288064866 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00tsa < 1288065072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 火！ < 1288065079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Cool, I have no Japanese fonts. < 1288065087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Failure. < 1288065094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my fault! < 1288065097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But, romanised, "hi!" < 1288065116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm setting up Xfce: The Grey Mist Edition. :P < 1288065128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no relation with the English "hi", which gets re-romanised as "hai!" < 1288065129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1288065138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which has no relation with the Japanese word "hai".) < 1288065146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which has no relation to your mom.) < 1288065159 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but all sorts of relations with yours.) < 1288065166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have an empty panel to fill X_X < 1288065168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WAIT < 1288065175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION minimal height vertically-oriented panel!
< 1288065201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, the clock fucks that up :P < 1288065275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dear god, I'm suffering from extreme panel proliferation :P < 1288065281 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have X! < 1288065289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: GOOD FOR YOU < 1288065293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Tell me you compiled it with pkgsrc. < 1288065308 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1288065310 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it came with < 1288065314 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also does not work! < 1288065323 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well,... to an extent it does < 1288065333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: apparently the bundled X is a bit... freaky < 1288065336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: and modular X from pkgsrc is better < 1288065347 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i can switch away from X to this terminal screen, but I can't switch back < 1288065352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: really? < 1288065363 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when i do the screen's al black < 1288065365 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all < 1288065381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why is it that nobody's come up with a better launcher/menu model than NeXTSTEP and yet people still do things that are worse? < 1288065494 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because, uh. < 1288065592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I just made system trays obsolete. Although not before breakfast! But I totally just did. < 1288065740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have a hypothesis. < 1288065761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Screens should be hexagonal. < 1288065769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wanna know why? < 1288065782 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make the pixel addressing AWESOME? < 1288065804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Nope! < 1288065809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that is an advantage. < 1288065822 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, built-in ftp > ncftp3 < 1288065829 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo anyway < 1288065848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Best ftp: wget :P < 1288065855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know what you're downloading, at least. < 1288065897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: pikhq: The actual answer is that with a hexagon, Fitts' Law would be way more useful. < 1288065909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oooh. < 1288065909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of having four perfect targets, you'd have six. < 1288065922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upper-left, upper-right, left, right, bottom-left, bottom-right. < 1288065932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So shoot your mouse diagonally or left/right, and you hit a target for sure. < 1288065995 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But then we'd find some punk trying to make widescreen hexagons. < 1288066000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1288066004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve :P < 1288066028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even an octagon. < 1288066030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I need your opinion: A taskbar without the titles (i.e. a row of icons), or a single icon that, when clicked, brings up a list of windows? < 1288066065 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if gmail works in links
< 1288066070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ? < 1288066072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. :P < 1288066153 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kinda! < 1288066158 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough so that if i had to, i could use it < 1288066163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is it... normal... for changing the GTK theme to make the Xfce panels go translucent, yet still be set at 0? < 1288066163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Setting them higher then 0 again fixes the problem. < 1288066163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes < 1288066163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : unfortunately < 1288066163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : happens to me all the time < 1288066165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : That... is the strangest bug I have ever seen. < 1288066188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am TOTALLY establishing CONSISTENT METAPHORS here. < 1288066201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Top-left: Hide. (On windows: iconify. On the screen: show desktop.) < 1288066369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Good god, it actually works. < 1288066376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants to know my HIDEOUS PANEL SYSTEM? < 1288066430 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this ships with twm < 1288066440 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it... does not come up when I start X < 1288066460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: how did you start X? < 1288066512 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it does now that i start x with 'xinit' and not 'X' < 1288066519 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mouse don't work though < 1288066523 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't focus the terminal < 1288066526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: the way to start x is "startx". < 1288066530 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1288066531 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot that < 1288066542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: as for mouse -- what kind is it? < 1288066558 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb < 1288066566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: anything special or just a standard usb mouse? < 1288066567 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starx is better than xinit which is better than X! < 1288066575 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :standard normal boring usb mouse < 1288066579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*startx :P < 1288066584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all call each other i think < 1288066592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: with startx does the horrible cursor show up on the screen? < 1288066593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not at all? < 1288066649 0 :catseye_!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288066654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi catseye_ < 1288066655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened < 1288066656 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is me in an xterm! < 1288066658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1288066663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : catseye: with startx does the horrible cursor show up on the screen? < 1288066663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : or not at all? < 1288066673 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i switch back to the console, i won't be able to get back here without the screen being black. < 1288066679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : catseye: with startx does the horrible cursor show up on the screen? < 1288066679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : or not at all? < 1288066691 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS IT COLD < 1288066693 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a cursor i think - i don't see it now < 1288066697 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is < 1288066702 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just there, no move < 1288066702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye_: but it won't move? < 1288066705 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no move < 1288066712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye_: try un&re-plugging the mouse < 1288066714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no joke < 1288066720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it... may work < 1288066723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this new world of vicious X < 1288066736 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing so far < 1288066775 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still no. don't think that'll work < 1288066813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye_: ^Z, do some digging around /var/log/Xorg* < 1288066816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet there's an error in there < 1288066829 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, let me try screwing with shit < 1288066837 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screwing with shit ALWAYS works. < 1288066839 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288066896 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netbsd certainly saw me plugging in and unplugging the mouse. just x didn't < 1288066904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: what about the X log? < 1288066974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ask me about my ULTIMATELY HIDEOUS panel setup! < 1288067060 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is bitching about "No protocol specified" for the "default pointer" < 1288067066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: lol < 1288067069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: just install modular X :P < 1288067070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: but uh < 1288067077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: do you have an xorg.conf? < 1288067081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: actually < 1288067086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: # X -configure < 1288067091 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must, somewhere < 1288067091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: that'll put it in /root or wherever < 1288067093 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, good idea < 1288067093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1288067094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mustn't < 1288067096 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288067096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: know why? < 1288067098 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1288067101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x doesn't use xorg.conf by default any more < 1288067105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ~not recommended~ < 1288067110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses UDEV! and HAL! < 1288067114 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:< < 1288067114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*udev! but shouty! < 1288067117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROCRASTINATION < 1288067121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most confusing smiley EVER < 1288067130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ask me about my ULTIMATELY HIDEOUS panel setup! < 1288067142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: And how it does configuration? < 1288067144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: MAGIC! < 1288067152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suprisingly, the magic works. < 1288067171 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think this is X.org X though. < 1288067174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The magic works *sometimes*. < 1288067175 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is NetBSD X. < 1288067175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: It is. < 1288067180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: It is. < 1288067181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: They switched. < 1288067186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay, true, sometimes it doesn't. < 1288067189 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, good. < 1288067190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, old "NetBSD X" = "XFree86" :P < 1288067194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: BUT it's an old version or something. < 1288067200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Everyone just uses the modular X from pkgsrc. < 1288067202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1288067202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: X.org is the only maintained X. < 1288067210 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: where IS the modular X in pkgsrc? < 1288067218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, unless you count OpenBSD's crazy hacks. < 1288067241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: somewhere < 1288067246 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ok < 1288067251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: in /usr/src :P < 1288067353 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetBSD X = XFree86 in NetBSD's source tree with NetBSD's patches < 1288067360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: nope < 1288067361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X.org now < 1288067416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XFree86 is dead. Beyond dead. It makes Linux 2.2 seem vibrant. < 1288067442 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I meant, the last time I was involved in BSD < 1288067446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1288067468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ASK ME ABOUT MY PANELS OR DIE < 1288067483 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I asked "where IS", I meant also: are these modular X packages all prefixed with something consistent? if so, what is it? < 1288067494 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or otherwise follow a naming convention? < 1288067497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: probably xorg- or something < 1288067504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just look at the tree and grep various plausible things? :P < 1288067529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: http://pkgsrc.se/x11/modular-xorg-server < 1288067532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a start < 1288067546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it actually < 1288067548 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: entertained yet? < 1288067568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: no, i want to see ... uh. < 1288067573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you compile KDE < 1288067578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets popcorn
< 1288067578 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fah < 1288067580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also stopwatch < 1288067581 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love kde < 1288067584 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't < 1288067663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do your panels convince me to stop procrastinating? < 1288067670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes < 1288067781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Come on, who else has 100% transparent panels? < 1288067871 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a wifi router requires a password, but the password is the same, is it no longer wide open somehow? < 1288067882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1288067890 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or can everyone with the password see the communications of everyone with the password < 1288067893 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/password/key < 1288067895 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ < 1288067907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shakes his head slowly
< 1288068038 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are awesomly unhelpful < 1288068066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: あんたの母？ < 1288068073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(annta no haha?) < 1288068076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You are awesomely terrible at spelling, awesomely terrible at utilising an appropriate adjective other than "awesomely" in that sentence, and awesomely not even trying to apply logic to the problem before asking it. < 1288068093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Your mother does indeed not it. < 1288068120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The power of Google Translate. < 1288068148 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's some per connection encryption thing that works well but that is only a part of WPA2 for some reason < 1288068172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Of Google that to him becomes wa he is everything [ < 1288068188 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288068189 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as opposed to being automatic on "insecure" wifi networks < 1288068195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Real property tax that never is the best Web site. < 1288068226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If we are not a web browser, splendourful cannot the specific one of the interior not still be visualized of this Web site, that is in the Internet. < 1288068255 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wahoo < 1288068258 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, not X) < 1288068270 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mounted flash drive) < 1288068282 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(needed to run disklabel to figure out what the friggin partitions were) < 1288068305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm basically asking is if there's anything sane my campus could be doing to prevent packet sniffing just from using the open wifi < 1288068328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it means saying to everyone "Oh, you have to put in a password. The password is xyz" < 1288068351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gee, guys, should I try and be secure or should I just decide whether to worry or not based on the security of the Wi-Fi?" < 1288068356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think the latter." < 1288068382 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know if I can call my college's IT dept. incompetent < 1288068418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sane my campus could be doing to prevent packet sniffing just f < 1288068421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1288068422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid selection < 1288068424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/cfe-dev/2010-October/011711.html < 1288068428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You want to click this. < 1288068430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Trust me. < 1288068431 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot is turning into fungot < 1288068431 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: hm. next on the debian mirrors yet. fnord. stuart. i shall endeavour to do better than scheme, yome?), so i can't be blamed for not having a solution. < 1288068439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: TWO < 1288068440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: TS < 1288068467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fnord? < 1288068474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/cfe-dev/2010-October/011711.html < 1288068475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Click. < 1288068476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: CLANG! < 1288068479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1288068481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THE CLANG OF THE LINUX! < 1288068481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clangers! < 1288068487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq has gone batshit insane. < 1288068539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I SHOULD TOTALLY WRITE MY OWN WEB BROWSER < 1288068549 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders who the oldest mayor in the world is
< 1288068554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Your mom. < 1288068569 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hazel McCallion is definitely in the running < 1288068595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Can't you be appreciative of my answer? < 1288068620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 100% transparent panels = confuzzling < 1288068638 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1288068639 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I cannot < 1288068648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You may have sadness within you. < 1288068654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, else: Racism. < 1288068750 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hazel McCallion is 89 years old < 1288068755 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just got reelected for a 12th term < 1288068771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Your mom is [Integer overflow. < 1288068774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting debug console.] < 1288068775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1288068847 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you know that your mom jokes aren't funny? < 1288068858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No, but your face did. < 1288068864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'LL BE HERE ALL WEEK < 1288068877 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :often her election campaign consists of filing nomination papers < 1288068957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worlds Oldest and Longest Running Mayor • VideoSift: Online Video ... < 1288068957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's 88 years old and has been mayor for 31 years running. It's the 6th largest city in Canada and it's one of the few cities to be debt-free in Canada and ... < 1288068959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :96-year-old is likely nation's oldest mayor - U.S. news - msnbc.com < 1288068960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 Dec 2004 ... At 96, Ocean Breeze Park, Fla., Mayor Dorothy Geeben is probably the nation's oldest, but she's so well liked that no one is opposing her ... < 1288068963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oldest Mayor celebrates her 100th birthday with youngest Mayor < 1288068963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 Dec 2009 ... Oldest Mayor celebrates her 100th birthday with youngest Mayor ... department is organising a party for her and Islington's current Mayor, ... < 1288068984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6738078/?GT1=5936 < 1288068987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://www.islington.gov.uk/Council/CouncilNews/PressOffice/2005/10/2248.asp < 1288068990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(terribly formatted) < 1288069063 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dorothy Geeben is dead < 1288069092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As is Bela Lugosi.) coppro: Is the other one? < 1288069117 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the article, she is more acccurately the oldest former mayor and nota ctually serving < 1288069123 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nota/not a/ < 1288069133 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/t a /t a/ < 1288069174 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 88-year old is Hazel < 1288069203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right i knew that part :P < 1288069220 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: TYPO < 1288069223 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tip: she's very popular) < 1288069224 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually gets it right < 1288069226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i what < 1288069233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH OH yes < 1288069235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: well < 1288069238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: get it right forever < 1288069254 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she also apparently managed to get elected world's second-best mayor, according to wikipedia < 1288069284 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will be back. < 1288069287 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288069327 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc she's also our country's highest-paid mayor < 1288069689 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288070298 0 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288070314 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, don't run X -configure, X.org doesn't do it that way these days" < 1288070319 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but NetBSD does < 1288070344 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1288070346 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my mouse < 1288070348 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my rxvt < 1288070353 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got my blackbox (!) < 1288070363 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now... I need a web browser < 1288070516 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1288070536 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288070570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I got my blackbox (!) < 1288070572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Failest :P < 1288070662 0 :DrNinja!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288070673 0 :DrNinja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more switching to console < 1288070680 0 :DrNinja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1288070682 0 :DrNinja!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1288070685 0 :DrNinja!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :catseye < 1288070743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: blackbox, i am disappoint < 1288070756 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is ONE step above twm < 1288070767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: let's go for 0.5. < 1288070775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: The WM for true minimalists is lwm. < 1288070779 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chomatic scale of wms < 1288070783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's tinywm, but. < 1288070784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lwm. < 1288070786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install it and WEEP. < 1288070791 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should < 1288070792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually love it) < 1288070875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: It draws a 2 to 4 pixels or so black border around every window, and a black title bar. The title bar has, on the left, a hollow white square; clicking this closes the window. It also has the window title. Dragging the title bar moves the window. And dragging the border resizes the window. What happens when any of the three mouse buttons are pressed on the desktop is configurable. < 1288070884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ from this description, you can reimplement lwm exactly < 1288070894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it uses a red cursor when you're not over any window. < 1288070901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and you can configure it between sloppy focus and click-to-focus. < 1288070972 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love ftp i love gtk2+ < 1288070977 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean < 1288070978 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1288070984 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, reading < 1288070992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nothing worthwhile < 1288070996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just described lwm in its entirety :P < 1288071012 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like iwant to read its source code < 1288071053 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can write my own window manager < 1288071064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it's unfortunately not as simple as you might think. < 1288071068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: oh, another nice small WM: aewm < 1288071083 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, writing one's own window manager? no, i suspected not < 1288071151 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har, Firefox depends on Python 2.6 :/ < 1288071156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: dude < 1288071157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: midori < 1288071161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like firefox without the shit < 1288071166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now official browser of xfce :P < 1288071168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: also, webkit < 1288071173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, uhh, it's just better. < 1288071185 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need BLOAT! < 1288071196 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How else do I put NetBSD through its paces?? < 1288071201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i... is there a point trying to reason with you here < 1288071206 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1288071213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets the feeling catseye doesn't want to use netbsd :D
< 1288071214 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, DUDE. Midori! < 1288071227 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should check it out some time! < 1288071259 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have mixed emotions about NetBSD < 1288071264 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the BSDs. < 1288071273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also, DUDE. Midori! < 1288071273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You should check it out some time! < 1288071277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... < 1288071283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you just repeating me for no reason :D < 1288071285 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This already feels astonishingly efficient compared to Windows or Ubuntu < 1288071298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: so would ubuntu, if you installed blackbox or whatever :p < 1288071298 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the BSDs are like America: < 1288071300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just used an xterm < 1288071307 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Powerful, and maintained by assholes. < 1288071315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: netbsd guys seem nice < 1288071319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atl east from what i've read < 1288071328 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :niceR, sure < 1288071337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: and linux guys aren't assholes? :P < 1288071339 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNTIL THEY YELL AT YOU FOR NOT USING LINT < 1288071351 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, linux guys are *wankers*. there is a difference. < 1288071392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: assholes vs. wankers. i'll go with assholse < 1288071394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*assholes < 1288071395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1288071396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1288071398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1288071441 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now would be the perfect time for some new ager to show up here < 1288071471 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOA < 1288071476 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all dependencies met < 1288071479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for firefox? < 1288071481 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no,... no, they're not < 1288071483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you even doing that < 1288071484 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it LIED to me < 1288071489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly < 1288071491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you installing firefox :P < 1288071504 0 :aster!~elliott@91.105.93.165 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288071508 0 :aster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm elliott's new ager friend < 1288071520 0 :aster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can tell because i never used punctuation < 1288071562 0 :aster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaa < 1288071566 0 :aster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1288071584 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merry meet aster < 1288071593 0 :aster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deeply offensive. < 1288071595 0 :aster!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also firefox sucks < 1288071595 0 :aster!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288071666 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm... are you sure you aren't insane < 1288071680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: catseye is installing firefox just to put netbsd through the paces < 1288071686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am fairly sure that i am still better than him < 1288071717 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calmer < 1288071719 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happier < 1288071721 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more productive < 1288071721 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1288071724 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1288071738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Comfortable. Not drinking too much. < 1288071753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regular exercise at the gym three days a week. getting on better with your associate employee contemporaries. At ease. < 1288071757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Getting < 1288071895 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good morning Mozilla Firefox Start Page! < 1288071917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if catseye actually enjoys using firefox < 1288071925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like - morbid. < 1288071938 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer dillo but dillo sucks at all sites < 1288071954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read that as "dildo" < 1288071955 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And getting dillo installed would have been pfft yeah so what < 1288071963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1288071973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: my midori totally looks like firefox! because i stabbed it with a rusty fork < 1288071975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: WEBKIT! It's 2.0! < 1288071984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1288071985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1288071985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two < 1288071986 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, midori next. < 1288071986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :point < 1288071987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1288071992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's two point ... point YES! < 1288071996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2..YES < 1288072010 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: please, please, do not go into marketing. < 1288072018 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world will not be able to handle that. < 1288072022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: oh yeah, marketing is sooo my #1 career choice < 1288072080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: studies in obnoxious UIs: "Welcome to Windows Phone 7 Connector for Mac, we're glad you're here." < 1288072102 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1288072114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It continues: "Windows Phone 7 Connector lets you synchronise your favorite music, videos, photos and podcasts from iTunes and iPhoto to your blah blah blah WE WILL TELL YOU HOW AWESOME OUR PRODUCT IS SO THAT IT TAKES YOU LONGER BEFORE YOU GET TO US EIT." < 1288072117 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox thinks its called "Namoroka" for some reason. < 1288072134 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Namoroka will try to restore your tabs.." wtf < 1288072137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When an update for your Windows Phone 7 software WE WILL TOTALLY SHOW YOU UPDATES EVEN THOUGH WE COULD ANYWAY WITHOUT TELLING YOU ABOUT IT AND YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO KNOW OR ANYTHING" < 1288072149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ready to get started? 'Cause we'd prefer to give you more spiel, but, you know, we're out of window." < 1288072150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: yes < 1288072157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: thank Mozilla's trademark rules < 1288072167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Namoroka is the codename for the current firefox release < 1288072172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you get because Mozilla are a bunch of assholes < 1288072184 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy people OK MIDORI HERE I COME < 1288072186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: basically if you modify firefox in ANY WAY, you can't call it firefox. this includes replacing the artwork with the free versions < 1288072193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: because the default logo is non-free < 1288072201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace it with a free one, poof! you can't call it firefox any more. < 1288072211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why debian ships "iceweasel" < 1288072241 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freedom frees the free free frees < 1288072280 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's silly because the non-fiery planet logo is better than the official one < 1288072327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't comment on the aesthetics but at least it's free... < 1288072333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla are like sun, ibm, etc. < 1288072337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really committed to freeness. a shame < 1288072361 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're, like, a charity or some shit (note: i know this means nothing) < 1288072362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, apple finally did the reasonable thing and ditched scrollbars in next os x. (ok so i'm reading mac sites for... "nostalgia"?) < 1288072384 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well you have a Mac. well so do I. WAIT THIS MAKES NO SENSE < 1288072391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also removing the distinction between an open/closed application < 1288072402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no "app is open" indicators on the dock, apps save their state when closed and resume it on startup) < 1288072408 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :removed scrollbars? < 1288072408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is, of course, the bloomin' obvious thing to do) < 1288072414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes; they now show when you scroll < 1288072415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not otherwise < 1288072422 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some way to set up a menu in blackbox but i forget < 1288072424 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you scroll without them < 1288072430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: have you looked at your mouse recently? < 1288072439 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how does an application close? When the last window is closed? < 1288072448 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what if you have a one-button mouse. WHAT THEN < 1288072449 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway elliott i am *dangerously* close to making this a usable-for-everyday-work system < 1288072449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, how does an application close? When the last window is closed? < 1288072455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no (that's not the mac way) but that's irrelevant < 1288072459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: go ahead :P < 1288072466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: then... your mac is too old to run 10.7 anyway :P < 1288072474 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, it's not irrelevant. too many things running at once = bad < 1288072480 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you'll install NetBSD as your main OS *too*, right? :) < 1288072482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the credit card out and also the steve jobs fellatio over tcp/ip interface < 1288072486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: so press Cmd+Q < 1288072495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: if i can get networking and packages working SHUR < 1288072499 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: what OS are you preparing? < 1288072501 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah, but how do you know that an application is running in the background < 1288072509 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: NetBSD < 1288072511 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on netbsd lol < 1288072516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: y'know, i'm pretty sure they can easily make app gc < 1288072521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: close it when it hasn't been used in a while < 1288072524 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NetBSD - because you want your computer to feel like a toaster" < 1288072525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would both be easy and obvious < 1288072530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: < 1288072534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^faq toaster feeling < 1288072535 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course NetBSD has toaster feeling! < 1288072542 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION applauds
< 1288072559 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: one-person applause: kind of lame) < 1288072561 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're going from windows xp? to netbsd < 1288072565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win7 < 1288072569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he was using ubuntu before that, so < 1288072571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ancient ubuntu) < 1288072574 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288072576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^faq a package management system! It's a tarball < 1288072577 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course NetBSD has a package management system! It's a tarball! < 1288072578 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, VISTA < 1288072581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1288072585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the endless vista of possibilities < 1288072594 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i reserve the right to boot into it occasionally < 1288072596 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for slumming < 1288072597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^faq your mom < 1288072598 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course NetBSD has your mom! < 1288072615 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, but I'm asking if they will < 1288072630 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.11/20101012113537] < 1288072640 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a logical thing to do in Mac's context < 1288072644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well it would be an excellent tactic to make people buy more ram... but considering that they sell at least two computers where you can't replace the RAM, that would not be a terribly effective strategy :D < 1288072650 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although worth pointing out that it's not particularly original) < 1288072650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine they will < 1288072660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple's programmers are pretty good in general, even when they're asked to do stupid things < 1288072667 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I meant the whole 'eliminating the distinction' thing < 1288072672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: right, well < 1288072674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no current OS does it < 1288072676 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which Microsoft actually surprisingly beat them to < 1288072679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no < 1288072680 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Windows does < 1288072685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft has an indicator to show whether a program is open or not < 1288072693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what microsoft does now is what apple does now < 1288072701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show all the application launchers there < 1288072707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have an indicator when they're running < 1288072712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what apple has done since 2001 < 1288072723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what apple are doing is removing the indicator, and *also* making it so that apps save their state on quit < 1288072733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you could leave it a year, click it, and it'd come back how you lefti t < 1288072735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*left it < 1288072751 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theeeeemes < 1288072763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: grey mist! it is the best theme for tgk! < 1288072764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gtk! < 1288072766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i wrote it! < 1288072775 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, the saving-state thing is orthogonal to the removal of indication of runningness < 1288072780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it attempts to be the most boring gtk theme possible! and it works! < 1288072782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no it isn't < 1288072787 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1288072791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: otherwise, here's how to tell whether an application was closed at time T: < 1288072795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: open application at time T+1 < 1288072799 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have no idea how those work gtk2-engines? < 1288072801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: see if it's how it was the last time you used it < 1288072809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: install gtk2-engines, yes < 1288072814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: then i'll tell you how to install GREEEEY MIIIIIST < 1288072817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: also install gtk-chtheme < 1288072818 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: midori is MAKING ME < 1288072844 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure < 1288072855 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as I said, it's orthogonal to indicating if it's open or closed < 1288072860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well, yes < 1288072867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but you can't remove the distinction without not indicating, of course < 1288072873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only way to completely remove the distinction is by doing both < 1288072887 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distinction of a window being open or not still exists < 1288072892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: lol < 1288072894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: window != app < 1288072911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(window != app *even more so* in OS X) < 1288072925 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and in my opinion, Mac should have long ago done away with the notion that an application can be running and have no windows open < 1288072936 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is intended to be a background application < 1288072936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: actually, that notion is fundamentally Macian < 1288072940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Macian - totally a word) < 1288072946 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are cool things i can do on Macs < 1288072949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: because, with windows, it's generally an-app-has-a-window < 1288072955 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i will < 1288072958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: whereas with macs, which have traditionally been *spatial* < 1288072964 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a lump of white plastic on my desk at work < 1288072965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: always have "an app has any number of windows" < 1288072974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and may spawn more of them in the course of normal operation" < 1288072980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*have always had < 1288072981 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be 'an application has exactly the number of windows it needs' < 1288072986 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot use a browser with 0 windows < 1288072991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes you can < 1288072993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can open a new window < 1288072997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: say i'm using my browser < 1288073000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i click close on all the windows < 1288073005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i go to the menu to open a new window < 1288073008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: suddenly, my browser menu is gone < 1288073012 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION angers at Opera
< 1288073013 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's identical to starting up a new instance of the browser, modulo any startup time < 1288073013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replaced with the previous app i was using < 1288073015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :????????????? < 1288073035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i rest my case :) < 1288073042 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1288073046 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they should also do away with the retarted central menu < 1288073050 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it wants me to manually type https:// ? < 1288073051 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1288073053 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo < 1288073059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: like every other browser < 1288073062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: basically they should remove everything and make it KDE, right? < 1288073064 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the error message says nothing to indicate that < 1288073072 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: xmonad now, remember? :P < 1288073078 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :midori requires ORBit2, uh huh < 1288073086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what happens when you type oasis.farmingdale.edu into any other browser? < 1288073090 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I contend that both of those things are dumb < 1288073093 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one does imply the other < 1288073097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: redirects to https < 1288073097 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are dumb < 1288073105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the central menu is a good idea for a menu-oriented interface like the mac < 1288073108 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not in Opera < 1288073112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you disagree, you're shitting on jef raskin's grave < 1288073118 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera complains about an illegal port number < 1288073126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so don't use opera. < 1288073127 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if they wish to remove the notion of a running vs. not-running program < 1288073136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: not really < 1288073141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it works perfectly if you have apps with zero windows < 1288073143 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The URL https://oasis.farmingdale.edu:/pls/banner/twbkwbis.P_WWWLogin contains a port number that is not in the range 1 to 65535. < 1288073151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the menu is there, you can use it if you want to open a window or whatever or create a new file < 1288073152 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no issue with background applications < 1288073159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: note: why do you have to have an empty, new file to open a file? < 1288073161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also makes no spatial sense < 1288073162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: anyway < 1288073165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the menu's there < 1288073165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no windows < 1288073167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch to another app < 1288073172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go back to it later < 1288073173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :menu appears < 1288073175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the same as before < 1288073177 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want my multi-rendering-engine browser dammit! < 1288073205 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: midori sucks < 1288073208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: wat < 1288073212 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure. I just think it's dumb. < 1288073226 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this thing has MORE dependencies than firefox < 1288073227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well, thanks for your opinion, i'll note that down in a book :P < 1288073229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: no it doesn't < 1288073242 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly asking for more < 1288073244 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbus < 1288073247 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: excellent < 1288073253 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also please note my opinion on free trade < 1288073253 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libgnome-keyring < 1288073255 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1288073269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: probably the firefox package is stripped down < 1288073272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the midori one isn't < 1288073288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: < 1288073289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requirements: GTK+ 2.10, WebkitGTK+ 1.1.1, libXML2, libsoup 2.25.2, sqlite < 1288073289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optional: Unique 0.9, libidn, docutils, libnotify < 1288073292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Midori website < 1288073298 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eggdbus" < 1288073304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: something *else* is pulling in those dependencies. < 1288073325 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something midori depends on, YEAH < 1288073333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you are really pissy < 1288073338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1288073355 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not too serious :) < 1288073370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not eaten enough < 1288073371 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more paces for NetBSD! hoof hoof hoof < 1288073374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stomach hurts but i am sleepy! < 1288073375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooooo < 1288073506 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am so going to rebuild this kernel when I get around to ti < 1288073509 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1288073518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: dude no just use THREADBARE LINUX < 1288073526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# cd /usr/src < 1288073530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# make tools < 1288073532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# make install-tools < 1288073535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# make < 1288073539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*make install < 1288073546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and drop the make tools line for that matter < 1288073554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: voila, latest and greated linux 0.01 system compiled < 1288073563 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never built a linux kernel < 1288073573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: that's ok, linux 0.01 has no configuration < 1288073576 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and v0.01 would be the coolest < 1288073576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all happens automatically < 1288073580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: yeah i'm on it < 1288073581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is < 1288073585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need minix to build it < 1288073587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minix and gcc 1 < 1288073593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, dunno if you know this < 1288073601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but getting minix 1.5 to work in qemu < 1288073604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is p. difficult < 1288073606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna try bochs tomorrow < 1288073652 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1288073652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: but uh yeah < 1288073660 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey is it 7:13AM where you are? < 1288073665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6:13. < 1288073673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: linux 0.01 was so bad that the filesystem routines were more likely to cause race conditions than not < 1288073674 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah so my clock is... just confused < 1288073674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1288073684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it may be thinking it's still british summer time < 1288073687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? i dunno, probably not < 1288073708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: basically with linux 0.01 writing to the filesystem anything other than serially = hurr < 1288073719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe reading could fuck up too... possibly < 1288073722 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1288073730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: also: no filesystem permissions < 1288073732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLS YEAH < 1288073745 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa so... not even from minix huh? < 1288073761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ? < 1288073765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minix did it all perfectly < 1288073769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux was a pile of shit :P < 1288073772 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288073792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: funly, linux used the minix fs < 1288073795 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... hought that was one of the basic things you would copy from minix < 1288073797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet it gave all files 777 permissions :D < 1288073803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it was 0.01 < 1288073805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like < 1288073810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3k lines of code < 1288073811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :max < 1288073817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ran bash! < 1288073818 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh! < 1288073823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1288073826 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3KLOC wh! < 1288073844 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am... wh! < 1288073864 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sneeze 3000 lines of code without knowing. < 1288073868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: wait actually a bit more < 1288073876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/linux$ wc -l **/*.{s,c} | tail -1 < 1288073876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7393 total < 1288073890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: largest file is just 678 lines though < 1288073895 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, 7.5kloc.. that's still.. SHEESH tiny. < 1288073901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: yes. it is < 1288073910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it's only 52 files of C and asm < 1288073922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're all tiny < 1288073967 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started life as a terminal emulator, they say < 1288073969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: oh and ofc you had to use gnu libc :) < 1288073976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's like < 1288073982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :34589734593745 bits of work linus doesn't have to do < 1288073986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hink < 1288073987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i think < 1288073987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1288073991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather you could use any libc i GUESS < 1288073992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it worked < 1288073994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you get the idea < 1288073998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: http://sprunge.us/bRPg full summary of files < 1288074001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in LOC < 1288074039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1288074043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i didn't count the header file < 1288074044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*files < 1288074055 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure just let me get Midori installed and I'll check that right out < 1288074060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: with header files but not counting whitespace and comments: < 1288074063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 8,102 < 1288074068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 243,032 <-- lol) < 1288074076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: that sprunge link is plaintext < 1288074081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: just use curl < 1288074083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or w3m -dump < 1288074086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or netcat < 1288074100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ which nc < 1288074101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/nc < 1288074101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :approve. < 1288074109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not real netcat though :( < 1288074110 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOAAAAAA midori appears < 1288074120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: protip: you can slim down that toolbar immensely < 1288074126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an extension, look in tools -> extensions < 1288074177 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been too long. how do i copy text out of rxvt? < 1288074191 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah got it < 1288074201 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i se your summary! < 1288074234 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what extension is it called? < 1288074267 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i need to use atom feeds on my website < 1288074318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288074331 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye Sgeo < 1288074332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: customise toolbar < 1288074339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it appears in tools menu < 1288074341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have the toolbar as < 1288074345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back forwards refresh location google < 1288074365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: also in preferences: disable show speed dial in new tabs, interface -> tick open tabs in the backgroun < 1288074368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*background < 1288074370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's about it < 1288074387 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i can surf the web whee < 1288074486 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have netcat too < 1288074488 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1288074491 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need subversion < 1288074494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it's Bad Netcat < 1288074496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1288074499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try nc -help < 1288074502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it works it's bad < 1288074509 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[v1.10] < 1288074513 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc -h < 1288074514 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works < 1288074521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: hmm. < 1288074528 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc -help works < 1288074533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i don't recall now < 1288074537 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc --help does not < 1288074538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION downloads nc110 to check
< 1288074556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ha, i always forget, nc110.tgz is a tarbomb :) < 1288074566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it does have help < 1288074573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: does it say < 1288074580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-e prog program to exec after connect [dangerous!!] < 1288074587 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessir! < 1288074592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -g gateway source-routing hop point[s], up to 8\n\ < 1288074592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -G num source-routing pointer: 4, 8, 12, ...\n\ < 1288074592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -h this cruft\n\ < 1288074593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those too? < 1288074605 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pears so < 1288074612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: nothing about ipv6? < 1288074624 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. it's the jenny-wayne article! < 1288074630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: well there's one way to find out < 1288074638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: http://sourceforge.net/projects/nc110/files/unix netcat 1.10 by _Hobbit_/[Unnamed release]/nc110.tgz/download < 1288074656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: build that, diff the result to your nc :P < 1288074664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it differs, ARTICLE INSUFFICIENTLY GENUINE, make install < 1288074665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1288074669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no make install < 1288074669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1288074670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install(1) < 1288074672 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Tocqueville. Discuss. < 1288074684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: IS THAT A VIRTUAL WORLD < 1288074687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN TELL CAUSE OF -VILLE DUDE < 1288074694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how sgeo isn't here < 1288074729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: there's a buffer overflow in nc(1) apparently < 1288074731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't matter < 1288074739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what matters is that it's hobbit's < 1288074751 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1288074774 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps asshole #3 will give the world OpenNetcat < 1288074776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am maybe a bit of a purist :D < 1288074787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: opinion: every archive should be a shar archive < 1288074791 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with only two holes in the default install in 12 years < 1288074793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree/disagree < 1288074800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: there's already openbsd netcat lawl < 1288074806 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sh should have a denotational semantics, agree/disagree < 1288074809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: also they removed that and make it totally vague < 1288074815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people kept finding holes < 1288074819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because the default install is uselses < 1288074821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*useless < 1288074821 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right on < 1288074826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so having a flaw in it is particularly embarrassing < 1288074829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it having no servers or anything < 1288074833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hole < 1288074870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: make: command not found < 1288074872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blink* < 1288075097 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make is an excellent programming language < 1288075103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: yes. quite < 1288075142 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i appear to have svn now (not that I need it; i have nc) < 1288075203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i write everything in make/nc < 1288075206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better than dd/sh < 1288075220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: omg you could totally do gui apps with nc < 1288075225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: just tell X to listen on tcp < 1288075238 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehahehehahHOOhahOOhaha < 1288075246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh my < 1288075394 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you know your father was a fish? maybe, you should worship a fish god. < 1288075427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to work fish into something accurately representing his opinion of his father, fails
< 1288075435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, here's a Useless Use of test Award winner: < 1288075441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while [ 1 ]; do ...; done < 1288075594 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are educated stupid! you do not accept four-cornered cube wisdom of wisest man on earth. < 1288075610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either i'm hallucinating or catseye is < 1288075612 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, all clocks are wrong. < 1288075630 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, enough... whatshisname. < 1288075638 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time cube guy. < 1288075666 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh! < 1288075667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: gene ray, doctor of cubic < 1288075681 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently he is the *second* wisest human, now. < 1288075688 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(blinking) < 1288075702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1288075725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: no < 1288075728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: the site is http://www.timecube.com/ < 1288075730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.org is some other guy < 1288075732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1288075741 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh indeed < 1288075753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's doctor of cubic, not cubism < 1288075754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1288075767 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXISTS BETWEEN A TOP AND BOTTOM, BETWEEN A FRONT AND BACK, BETWEEN OPPOSITE SIDES, < 1288075770 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. A LL YOU DUMB EVIL BASTARDS EARN < 1288075820 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1288075823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like song lyrics < 1288075828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad song lyrics < 1288075840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exists between a top and bottom / Between a front and back / Between opposite sides / And inside and outside / All you dumb evil bastards earn < 1288075994 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :between an up and a down / a strange and a charm / a top and a bottom / stands a gluon alone < 1288076010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now coppro has taken it into bad quantum poetry < 1288076016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you won't see that on the charts! < 1288076026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ask me about my insane panel set up < 1288076027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*setup < 1288076040 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the thing about quantum poetry is the only way to determine if it's good or bad is to read it < 1288076044 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah / hey hey / yeah yeah / nah nah nah nah nah, nah / hey < 1288076048 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what is your insane panel setup? < 1288076059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ignores that second-to-latest line of coppro's
< 1288076077 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1288076077 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1288076090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: topleft, 100% transparent -- i.e. invisible -- a show desktop button in a minimal-width-and-height panel by itself. < 1288076094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it appears only with my mouse over it, although i could change that too < 1288076103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: bottomleft, 100% transparent, the same but with the xfce menu < 1288076125 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sine, sine, everywhere a sine. in the fourier breakdown in the world of mine < 1288076132 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/platform/ < 1288076133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: topright, opaque, minimal width and height: notification area, battery monitor, clock, wastebasket button, logoff button; arranged horizontally < 1288076134 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bsd < 1288076139 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no panel < 1288076140 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1288076148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: bottomright, opaque, minimal width and height: list of icons representing open windows. vertically arranged < 1288076156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. half my panels are invisible and only one button < 1288076158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is vertical < 1288076161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other is horizontal < 1288076166 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "FreeBSD" is under "Linux" < 1288076166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of the ones that aren't invisible) < 1288076170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ? < 1288076171 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally man YES < 1288076172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1288076187 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source, at least < 1288076190 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what DM? < 1288076195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's just xfce. < 1288076200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: meh. < 1288076211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: hey that landing page is new. and lame < 1288076225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're using the old windows logo < 1288076225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee < 1288076233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think an old apple logo < 1288076239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no, apple logo is current < 1288076240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows logo is not < 1288076304 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISJOINT SET UNION < 1288076309 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blinks
< 1288076318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :union intersection < 1288076332 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grand central station < 1288076342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grand central dispatch < 1288076352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mornington crescent < 1288076359 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pimp my ride < 1288076369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: *terminal, also >:D < 1288076406 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's see, you want leaves, boiled in water, with a liquid squirted from a cow put into it < 1288076414 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO MISSILES < 1288076427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye is on DRUUUGS MAAAAAAAN < 1288076445 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh if only < 1288076451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN < 1288076457 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just grape juice (rotten) and Douglas Adams < 1288076469 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(controlled rotten) < 1288076477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: relevant: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=003.jpg < 1288076556 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1288076567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only webcomic worth reading < 1288076569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://yourewinner.com/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page < 1288076579 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is extremely stoner < 1288076638 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good lord < 1288076655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yourewinner.com/wiki/index.php5?title=Big_Rigs_Online < 1288076659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it's not serious :p < 1288076670 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: clearly < 1288076676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or IS it < 1288076691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=001.jpg can any sober person be this wise about stairs? < 1288076693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is questionable < 1288076806 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This installer for the Haskell Platform requires ghc to be installed first" < 1288076817 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you ghc for MISLEADING me, then < 1288076823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MISLEADIGHC < 1288076833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAARHHH WHAT IF WE TIED A COMPUTER TO A ROPE < 1288076835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THEN THREW IT < 1288076836 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meredith and I will go on picnic < 1288076837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THE QUICKSAND < 1288076847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH < 1288076849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH AN ETHERNET CABLE < 1288076850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN WE ATE IT < 1288076909 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE WOULD BE BETTER FOR DOING IT < 1288076914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would we < 1288076915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ifi thad < 1288076917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELLIOTTOS < 1288076917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERSION < 1288076918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1288076920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ON THE VERSION < 1288076988 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEN WE WOULD BE DEAD < 1288076989 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288076991 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LY < 1288076999 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me why is "*.net *.split" today? < 1288077049 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do not trust a computer you cannot throw out of a window. Including the window too far from the rope. < 1288077051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there was a netsplit < 1288077058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott: Do not trust a computer you cannot throw out of a window. Including the window too far from the rope. < 1288077068 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: our scientists have pondered that question and have told us about sunspot activity and spiders three times as big as they are, and squirrels four times as big as the spiders (those are some BIG squirrels.) < 1288077083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: aw, nuts. < 1288077225 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make twelve times in total. And which is the question having to do with sunspots? < 1288077236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's to do with quatnum. < 1288077276 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunspot activity in increase, sends more quantum to our Earth. < 1288077281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quatnum < 1288077292 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1288077295 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quatnum < 1288077312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :""Illegal cargo" is the name commonly given to the cargo transported by the rigs in Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing. The cargo is clearly of some importance, due to the Rigs' mission to transport it safely to the destination without police intervention." < 1288077321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What the illegal cargo actually consists of is a mystery, it was never revealed in the game. Initially it was believed that the cargo consisted of drugs, illegally being smuggled into Russia. This theory was quickly refused due to the fact that WINNERS don't D.A.R.E do drugs." < 1288077336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "An opposite theory is that the cargo is itself copies of Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing. The setting of the game is not clear, but it is often believed that it is set in a dystopian LOSER future where Big Rigs is outlawed." < 1288077443 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need ghc to build ghc < 1288077446 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good < 1288077446 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "quatnum" means? < 1288077452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's complicated < 1288077453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1288077460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine the anti-wave function defined by < 1288077465 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Can you cross-compile it? < 1288077513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w(x) = phi(x/ln(x^(3/4)) + sum{0 to inf} x^q_n(x)) / (pi*h*c) < 1288077513 0 :distant_figure!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1288077523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where q is the particulating function < 1288077528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c is speed of light obvs < 1288077532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and h is the quatnum constant < 1288077538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's basically building on that theory. < 1288077556 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is h like Planck constant? < 1288077590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: similar, yes < 1288077617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the minimal value that an anti-wave can have at time t defined by t^q_n(x) = x^q_n(t+x) < 1288077632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course each one has a different minimum < 1288077633 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does w and phi means here? < 1288077640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turns out that they're all in a certain interval < 1288077643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just the midpoint < 1288077656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: w is the anti-wave function defined < 1288077662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phi is the crossing function < 1288077691 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1288077769 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: All of the numbers is falling off of the telephone < 1288077798 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288078606 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1288078861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288078886 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288079551 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288079718 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I could be wrong, but I think these unreachable fb images are inside