< 1288310468 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, should be sise not size of course < 1288310489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool ms-dos installation crashed < 1288310495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but of course, English is not logical < 1288310501 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my shooz are the wrong sise < 1288310509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1288310525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1288310526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: MS-DOS on bare metal? < 1288310527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just needed -boot a < 1288310532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is installing MS-DOS 5.0! The best MS-DOS!
< 1288310542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instant startup, all the features, NO VERSION 6 BULLSHIT < 1288310546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1288310547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally man < 1288310558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's, like, the greatest. < 1288310578 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey peeps < 1288310582 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a career question < 1288310595 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is working in a role that's purely maintenance bad for your career? < 1288310611 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be, after all the best way to develop skills is to watch others and practice < 1288310616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex: ... < 1288310630 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a full time maintenance dev, I neither get to write new code OR get to read best practice code < 1288310634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex: This is hardly the best place to find people who think the professional programming "career" is any fun or worthwhile at all. < 1288310642 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How so? < 1288310649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex: Because we're all cynical bastards? < 1288310653 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that this channel is the best place to get considered opinions < 1288310655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also because it generally is awful. < 1288310657 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I'm asking you. < 1288310661 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex: I can tell you what I think "they" think < 1288310672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think cpressey is the only active one who has programming as a career. < 1288310678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm pretty sure he hates everyone. :P < 1288310682 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimistic people tend to think that "Every problem is an Opportunity in Disguise!" < 1288310684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimonRC too but he isn't active < 1288310689 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those people are fuckwits in disguise < 1288310692 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex: "they" think yes, it is bad for your career, so you should volunteer to help out on a project that is writing new code, or something. < 1288310711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex: more importantly, code maintenance sounds like the soul-suckingest job *ever* < 1288310716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would kill any human < 1288310721 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind it where I work ATM < 1288310731 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's a LOT of different systems here < 1288310734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may alraedy be dead. < 1288310735 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a LOT of problems < 1288310738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*already < 1288310745 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I've got lots of new stuff to satisfy my ADD < 1288310769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your only criterion? < 1288310772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okaaaay. < 1288310803 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since "they" think this is true, and "they" are probably a major factor in whether your career goes anywhere, in that sense, it's probably true. < 1288310820 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it is of course completely fucked logic. < 1288310848 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not at all < 1288310850 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate my job ATM < 1288310856 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not because I'm doing maintenance < 1288310862 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT's because the management treat us like children < 1288310869 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And laud the useless fuckwits on the team < 1288310917 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is currently looking at a career in programming
< 1288310925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: lol < 1288310926 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I abruptly switch to med school < 1288310952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: CS curriculum, academia, some twisted definition of profit < 1288310956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*decent CS < 1288311063 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex: then the way to succeed in your career is to act like a useless fuckwit :) < 1288311104 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly, people are the worst kind of people. < 1288311129 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know what he'll do as a career
< 1288311141 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if a programming job could help pay his way through medschool
< 1288311153 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wouldn't have to rely on my dad's money < 1288311166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: MS-DOS Shell: my god what is this < 1288311186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I, uh, please don't go into anything medical. < 1288311199 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm? < 1288311215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing personal, I just don't want you anywhere near my body in any kind of even semi-dangerous situation :P < 1288311217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rimshot* < 1288311217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1288311276 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You like C#; this is a substantial advantage in the job market. moreso if you've actually undertaken a sizeable project in it. < 1288311313 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people like the "industry" languages < 1288311357 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of people also don < 1288311361 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't. :) < 1288311366 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(shut up, don) < 1288311401 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex: what language are you maintaining stuff in? < 1288311407 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language(s) < 1288311462 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my relationship with C# isn't quite "like" as it is "lack of disdain" < 1288311494 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: browse through dice.com sometime to get a feel for what's out there. it might help you decide. < 1288311512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tech job ads are written by the lowest rung of humanity, btw < 1288311531 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spelling? Grammar? Non-contradictory objectives? Who needs THOSE? < 1288311568 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have a client in San Jose who needs a strong C# developer, but not from a UI perspective, it is more on the back end. This is a 3-4 month project" < 1288311570 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1288311575 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-SDK < 1288311580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as a bullet point) < 1288311582 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? < 1288311674 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I should have added "Context? Relevancy?" < 1288311721 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another ad has "Exception handling" (expert) as a required skill < 1288311730 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interview pattern for hiring developers: 1) "How deep is your experience?" 2) Random, vaguely technical trivia questions 3) Personality test < 1288311800 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And they probably keyword-search for that to winnow down the 1000's of resumes they receive. Result: AWESOMENESS. < 1288311835 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, you know, someone who lists "Exception handling" as one of their skills on their resume has got to be quite awesome. < 1288311850 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "Writing loops". < 1288311873 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you can't go wrong with tech job ads if you're looking for WTFs. < 1288311935 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this supposed to repulse me from a career programming? < 1288311939 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The job would be java < 1288311943 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, another kiss of death:P < 1288311975 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATM I'm using C# < 1288311987 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Must come from a named school with a degree in a related field. " < 1288311990 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But frankly I don't care, I can learn other languages < 1288311992 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rapidly < 1288311997 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike most career programmers < 1288311999 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, my school is the school that must not be named < 1288312001 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *claps* < 1288312024 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-192-51.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288312034 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, do you come from a named school? < 1288312036 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex: Java, yeah, is, like, special. < 1288312043 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1288312046 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISNEYLAND special < 1288312078 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still amazed, daily, by how many career programmers can't solve problems or learn new things < 1288312114 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to find solutions online rather than attempt to reinvent the wheel, but I will if I have to < 1288312117 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1288312121 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even C# seems less... cloistered?... than Java. You can go to places that are flexible, look for smarts, reward creativity, etc, then look at their division that uses Java and it's just this -- flatline. < 1288312184 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love learning new things, though < 1288312188 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live and breath learning < 1288312216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Whaddya mean? < 1288312234 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: from a job ad that Sgeo found: < Sgeo> "Must come from a named school with a degree in a related field. " < 1288312242 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whos got a PS3? < 1288312247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I DO < 1288312247 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/1/8/1837ca6a9fa320660a3471828346955f@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=C%23&rating=99 < 1288312256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The pfargtle? < 1288312262 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :πwe should play some games together some time < 1288312282 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm. < 1288312294 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :later, folks. < 1288312298 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye cpressey < 1288312298 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey|away < 1288312356 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was addressed to you, πkhq. < 1288312398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Why, pray tell, do you insist on calling me πkhq? < 1288312428 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i tried to tab complete your name before but i forgot that pi for me tab completes as the pi symbol < 1288312432 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have my compose key any more! < 1288312447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hį'ke'tikiȳû, I could understand. But that? < 1288312457 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1288312460 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that < 1288312473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese. < 1288312477 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1288312493 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I rig a key on my keyboard to be a compose key? < 1288312499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you could pattern match my completely bizarre diacritics by now. :P < 1288312512 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not japanese. < 1288312601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ピッケッチキュー There, in a more normal orthography. < 1288312708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chachi, the normal way < 1288312724 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explain further, I am not so great with hardware/ < 1288312726 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.* < 1288312726 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chachi, what WM? < 1288312733 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WM? < 1288312736 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bikkecchikyuu < 1288312738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chachi, I assume you use linux or *bsd < 1288312739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(¸ maps to the 半濁点, ` maps to the 濁点, ^ maps to 長音符, and ¯ indicates a 拗音) < 1288312753 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chachi, so what window manager or desktop environment? < 1288312760 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :πwtf is that < 1288312764 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ach < 1288312766 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bikkecchikyuu? < 1288312772 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a user of Windows < 1288312772 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| pikhq even < 1288312780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chachi, don't think it is possible then < 1288312782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1288312788 0 :Chachi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugger < 1288312789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikketchikyû, if you *must* use a more pedestrian romanisation scheme. < 1288312813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chachi, well that is what you get from using such a crappy OS :P < 1288312828 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thats a handakuten not dakuten < 1288312836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1288312858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you've not noticed me talking about or using my bizarro personal romanisation scheme for Japanese before? < 1288312860 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i vaguely understand your romanization schema < 1288312867 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1288312931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why do you use a non-standard one? < 1288312941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because I dislike the standard ones. < 1288312951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the primary standard, Hepburn. < 1288312958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, on what grounds? < 1288312962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is actually *ambiguous*... < 1288312968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288312999 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :under hook on the vowel to indicate handakuten on the associated kana, apostrophes for small tsu, macron over y's to denote small versions of the associated kana < 1288313007 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a fairly standard carat for vowel length < 1288313023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: And grave on the vowel for dakuten. < 1288313036 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kawaii ne < 1288313054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tiȳo'to tàke. < 1288313086 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww not just, completely and utterly. < 1288313108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1288313117 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what < 1288313168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hepburn and Kunrei-shiki (ISO 3602) make no distinction between づ and ず or between ぢ and じ. Nihon-shiki (ISO 3602 strict) is the only mainstream scheme that doesn't possess such an ambiguity for common Japanese text. < 1288313173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I will, in fact, in some emergency situations, do CPR < 1288313176 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1288313208 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In dangerous situations, I may end up near your body. Hypothetically, I mean < 1288313210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They *all* suffer from inadequacies when attempting to encode somewhat less common uses of kana. < 1288313244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Especially noticable with transcriptions of non-Japanese words into Japanese. < 1288313273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1288313432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Random, contrived example: the transcription of "fabric" into Japanese script could not then be re-transcribed into the Roman alphabet using any of those schemes. < 1288313451 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's a rat hat?" "And poorly made one. Even by rat hat standards." < 1288313465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Whereas in mine, it's: huāhùri'ku. < 1288313486 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION breaks elliott's ribs
< 1288313501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is that just so you could get close to me? < 1288313511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tiȳo'to tàke. < 1288313513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? < 1288313527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Just a bit." < 1288313547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288313551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : aww not just, completely and utterly. < 1288313554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i didn't understand < 1288313558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : kawaii ne < 1288313561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's kawaii ne in it :P < 1288313574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno what's so cute about it, myself. < 1288313606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1288313608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use-mention, < 1288313610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "kawaii ne" in it :P < 1288313614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it=pikhq-jap < 1288313634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes that oerjan has been absent for quite a while
< 1288313642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Aaah. < 1288313646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: kawaî ne. < 1288313673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so hepburn:xx = pikhq:^x? < 1288313677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for vowel x < 1288313689 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Only for the vowel i. < 1288313694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1288313699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hepburn uses ^ or ¯ for the other vowels. < 1288313705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(depending on revision) < 1288313731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how zzo38 goes on about unicode romanisations being useless < 1288313741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when all of them are non-latin :) < 1288313743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And common use of Japanese words in English omit the diacritics from Hepburn. < 1288313752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1288313769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For instance, it's Tôkyô in Hepburn but Tokyo in English. < 1288313782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think you'll find *Tōkyō. < 1288313784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1288313819 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's three different forms of Hepburn. Traditional, revised, and modified. < 1288313825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288313834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is Kunrei-shiki better than Nihon-shiki, or? < 1288313847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently ISO 3602 = Kunrei-shiki < 1288313859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I want to learn Japanese. :p < 1288313862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... some other time. < 1288313882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, or are both ISO 3602? < 1288313882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kunrei-shiki is Nihon-shiki except not making any distinctions between a few phonemes that are no longer distinguished in spoken Standard Japanese. < 1288313894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they *are* distinguished in writing and in some accents of Japanese) < 1288313902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nihon-shiki is ISO 3602 Strict. < 1288313917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288313926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kunrei-shiki is ISO 3602 Lax, so to speak :P < 1288313949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargh. Wait, ^ has never been used for long vowels in Hepburn. < 1288313957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's only ISO 3602. < 1288313959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And pikhq. < 1288313961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought so :P < 1288313966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never seen Tokyo written that way before. < 1288313975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I have DOS 5.0 in QEMU! ^_^ < 1288313977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's entirely valid Nihon-shiki. < 1288313994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's tôkiȳô in pikhq. < 1288314002 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's so great about DOS 5.0 over DOS 6.whatever? < 1288314002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs DOSIDLE
< 1288314015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: DOS 6 seems to start up a bit slower for me < 1288314035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS-DOS 6.x < 1288314036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 6.0 (Retail) - Online help through QBASIC. Disk compression and antivirus included. < 1288314036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 6.2 (Retail) - Microsoft and IBM alternate versions, IBM has 6.1, 6.3 < 1288314036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 6.21 (Retail) - Stacker-infringing DBLSPACE removed. < 1288314036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version 6.22 (Retail) - New DRVSPACE compression. < 1288314056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: tl;dr "Stupid help system! Disk compression thing that broke Windows entirely. Probably-useless antivirus." < 1288314078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Whereas 4 lacks the full-screen EDIT program. < 1288314111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hepburn is a pretty strange Romanisation scheme. < 1288314126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: designed by a christian missionary. figures < 1288314129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the japanese larry wall < 1288314144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yup. < 1288314156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And it only makes sense at all for English speakers. < 1288314196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ooh < 1288314198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Microsoft's licensing spokesperson "Rich H." told me, on 2-8-00, that anyone with a valid license to use any recent version of Microsoft's operating systems (Windows 95/98, NT) is also licensed to use any older version of Microsoft DOS products, and can obtain DOS 6.22 media for nominal cost from their supplemental materials unit. I haven't heard this before, so you should confirm this for your < 1288314198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self." < 1288314200 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should go to sleep soon
< 1288314225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: therefore downloading and not uploading an old DOS version is perfectly OK if you have Windows < 1288314255 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, because the license conditions in 2000 are clearly identical to the license conditions in 2010. < 1288314272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They can't exactly *revoke* licenses retroactively. < 1288314284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you have Windows 95, 98 or NT, you have a license to use older DOS versions. < 1288314291 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have a 98 license lying around < 1288314306 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, for one they can in fact revoke licenses retroactively, but for two Idonno if we've established what licenses pikhq has :P < 1288314310 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's assuming that the rumor is true < 1288314313 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too < 1288314315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tireds
< 1288314318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "rumour" < 1288314322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean quote from microsoft spokesman < 1288314324 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm going to be learning CPR tomorrow < 1288314326 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More to the point: Nobody effing cares 8-D < 1288314330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have Windows 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, XP, you already *possess* DOS. < 1288314334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (1) well, yes, but (2) i never said pikhq had those licenses :P < 1288314334 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, FreeDOS is better. < 1288314338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Old, shitty DOS that can't boot. < 1288314340 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quote from someone claiming to quote a Microsoft spokesman < 1288314352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.emsps.com/oldtools/msdosv.htm you can see how shady this website is < 1288314354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a 9/11 jew conspiracy < 1288314358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*jew nazi < 1288314363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uh, no, it's actually entirely bootable. < 1288314379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You can't boot XP without any Windows components, can you? < 1288314381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very much doubt that. < 1288314383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's the "create a boot disk" option in the GUI formatter. Honest-to-god. < 1288314391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, yes. < 1288314394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But the boot disks lack most DOS tools. < 1288314395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've tried.) < 1288314403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It still installs DOS onto a disk. < 1288314417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DOS the kernel + COMMAND.COM < 1288314419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How useful :P < 1288314440 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it you're trying to do that needs MS-DOS and not FreeDOS anyway? :P < 1288314457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH LOOK, MS-DOS 5 has no "move" command < 1288314459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION reinstalls 6.22 :P
< 1288314466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what is it you're trying to accomplish by making a new programming language? < 1288314469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: FreeDOS scares me! It is too bloated and too unfun. < 1288314473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Worst analogy ever. < 1288314479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can't a man want simplicity in his life? < 1288314483 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Candy. < 1288314495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...seriously Sgeo that was a *terrible* analogy < 1288314512 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to think so < 1288314516 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you install a "full" version of FreeDOS, yes, it's bloated, but the subset of FreeDOS that is equivalent to MS-DOS isn't appreciably bigger ... perhaps even smaller. < 1288314516 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of them are just for fun < 1288314524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But also entirely less fun. < 1288314543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I mean, dude, you know why I'm doing this? So I can use DEBUG.COM to assemble my DOS (Dumbfounding Operating System) kernel. < 1288314547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless Plof is meant to be srs bsns < 1288314554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It... sort of is :P < 1288314556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1288314558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You don't get that kind of authenticity with FreeDOS! < 1288314572 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that there IS a compatible DEBUG.COM that comes with FreeDOS. < 1288314583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... have used it >_> < 1288314586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Compatible, yes. But not authentic. < 1288314597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Like watching Casablanca in colour. < 1288314674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will Microsoft name something .org ? < 1288314705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Y would they do that? < 1288314711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :***~sublte~*** < 1288314739 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't get it :(
< 1288314747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What happens when you .org the Y? < 1288314762 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you're turning into me < 1288314765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Another program that might be in org format is the ASM assembler. < 1288314785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the grim future Windows, file extensions come before the filenames.) < 1288314786 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except elliott's jokes are funnier < 1288314794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These ones aren't :P < 1288314798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, barely. Only compared to yours. < 1288314818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: IT WORKS HAHAHA < 1288314831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But dude, 6.22 is so much slower to start than 5 :( < 1288314839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is instant! 6.22 takes whole SECONDS! < 1288314849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT. < 1288314852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Who needs extended memory?! < 1288314872 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extended memory? Who needs directories? *installs DOS 1* < 1288314892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'd be fine with HIMEM if it didn't try and check all my memory at bootup :P < 1288314903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION disables SMARTDRV; no need to cache when my OS does that for me
< 1288314911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: C:\>vi < 1288314912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ fail < 1288314931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1288314934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/TESTMEM:OFF < 1288314944 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why anyone would use vi is beyond me < 1288314956 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, besides to use a non-bloated editor < 1288314975 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe on extremely low memory systems or something < 1288315024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I hate you and think you should die. < 1288315027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Join the chant with me! < 1288315037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also lol at the idea that vim isn't bloated < 1288315067 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So instead of little point to vim's existence, there's none! What about vi? Isn't there some sort of difference? < 1288315071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FILES=30" I really hope this is the maximum number of files on disk. < 1288315086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You're retarded and have no idea what you're saying, how editors are designed, and how to use them. < 1288315090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good day sir. < 1288315112 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something wrong with being an emacs person? < 1288315121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you actually use Emacs all the time? < 1288315134 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm at a console, yes < 1288315135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, but there's something very wrong with not *understanding* why vi is like it is, and why that's a good thing. < 1288315144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ the idea that emacs is a console editor < 1288315247 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlimited virtual desktops + HUD of all desktops + a frame that stays on all desktops (never overlaps other windows) + hotkey brings you to most-used desktop < 1288315301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: not as good as my infinite virtual space < 1288315327 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, obviously. nothing's as good as your tools < 1288315340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.xs4all.nl/~maribu/zeurkous/download/mirror/dosidle/DOSIDLE.ASM i cannot like any assembler with a struct syntax < 1288315342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: duh < 1288315349 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how DOS is entirely capable of running 64-bit programs. < 1288315352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets the feeling that catseye is starting to hate him :)
< 1288315359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost tried to wget in dos, lol < 1288315373 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, use a font you're not used to? < 1288315373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you know how to expand a qcow2 to a raw image? < 1288315376 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might that help? < 1288315381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What, you dislike masm and/or nasm? < 1288315384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what? < 1288315390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yup! < 1288315391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1288315402 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that the DOS font is likely not changable < 1288315408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: qemu-img's man page should have something. < 1288315411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It is. < 1288315420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually my real question is: how can i get a file from ~ to DOS oh i could make a floppy image < 1288315423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for reminding me pikhq! < 1288315426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That is, in fact, how locales work. < 1288315439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how do i make mkfs.vfat(1) use fat-16 :p < 1288315466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mkdosfs -F 16 < 1288315477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: were floppies 16 or 12? i forget < 1288315492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally 12. < 1288315515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But DOS *should* handle a FAT-16 filesystem on a floppy disk just fine, so long as it's new enough to *have* FAT-16 support. < 1288315545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was a little kid, I imagined "COS" -- Computer Operating System < 1288315553 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a contrast to Disk Operating System < 1288315603 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288315624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: >_< < 1288315696 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chachi: there is a way to set up entry of non-ascii characters in Windows -- i think they call them "input modes"? Youll have to research it with Google, though. < 1288315750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/dos$ /sbin/mkfs.vfat -F 12 host.img < 1288315750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkfs.vfat 3.0.9 (31 Jan 2010) < 1288315750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/dos$ < 1288315752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So reassuring. < 1288315778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Chachi, don't think it is possible then < 1288315778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : not sure < 1288315780 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Rat Hat Riot! < 1288315781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose is possible on windows < 1288315783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuomov did it < 1288315789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but his site is down so i can't link it :P < 1288315815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh < 1288315821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used AutoHotKey_L < 1288315828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeargh < 1288315828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it actually supported regular XCompose files < 1288315833 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autohotkey :P < 1288315840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it was a Lua script that translated XCompose to AutoHotKey_L (unicode fork of autohotkey) < 1288315847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, well, what else can capture keys like that :P < 1288315860 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well the windows API presumably allows it < 1288315865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hahaha < 1288315873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's a reason AutoHotKey and the like exist: that's a bitch. < 1288315882 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course that is not *terribly* useful) < 1288315902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1288316030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES IT COPIED PROPERLY < 1288316032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1288316032 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1288316033 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /'\ < 1288316038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks myndzi < 1288316043 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even want to think about the stupidity that allows this to exist http://www.sboobies.com/?cmd&file=./../../../../../../../../etc/shadow (NSFW) < 1288316048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the ASCII penis. < 1288316049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thenis. < 1288316070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo was googling for boobies but he decided that /etc/shadow was hotter < 1288316081 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was linked in a comment on Reddit < 1288316126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I failed to notice that the link was real when I wrote a reply < 1288316140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "File allocation table bad, drive A" < 1288316146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet dir works :) < 1288316153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, lol < 1288316157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the floppy disk is too big i think < 1288316174 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's what she said) < 1288316211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: worst floppy-related innuendo ever < 1288316218 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yUP < 1288316219 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1288316241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (that's what she said) < 1288316266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh baby, /etc/shadow. < 1288316311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh baby, etc shadow." "But it's only three and a half inches floppy." < 1288316316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, doesn't work. < 1288316347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twelve inches floppy baby. < 1288316350 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am totally installing Falcon from source on this NetBSD box, BITCH. < 1288316367 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(directed, again, at no one here -- rather, the Fates.) < 1288316380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP catseye's sanity < 1288316387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was catseye ever sane? < 1288316397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I would like to see that floppy .............. diskette, because it sure is big. < 1288316398 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They will punish me by making me be the pkgsrc maintainer for lang/falcon, when it comes to be < 1288316420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. But when he was 1, his mom killed his dad in front of him, and he has been insane ever since. < 1288316424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTE: WE HAVE ALL THE MATURITY OF A TWO-YEAR-OLD < 1288316428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Confirm/deny? < 1288316452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what WINA20.386 is. < 1288316455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Such a shame floppies only went up to 8 inches. < 1288316458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks suspiciously Windows and floppy. < 1288316466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But with viagra [...]! < 1288316505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINA20.386? That's what lets Windows go into protected mode and run the virtual Windows machine and several virtual DOS machines. < 1288316522 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> catseye: Confirm/deny? < 1288316524 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ragequites
< 1288316530 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ragequits < 1288316534 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you, fingers. < 1288316537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: SIMPLE QUESTION < 1288316542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then I don't need it, yup? < 1288316556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: Moving things to C:\DOS -- smart or stupid? < 1288316594 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, you see, I was making fun of your simple question by play-implying that I am not very mature. < 1288316601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically DOSIDLE. < 1288316605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: MINE WAS META-HUMOUR < 1288316609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Solidly meh, actually. < 1288316615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I never met one of the four or so humors I didn't like. < 1288316619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it humours even then?! < 1288316627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why is it solidly meh? XD < 1288316640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doesn't matter. At all. < 1288316658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Would YOU move DOSIDLE.EXE there?!?!??!?! < 1288316663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you STEAL a KITTEN?! < 1288316683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bweheheh. The 8 inch floppy was marketed in terms of the number of punchcards you could put on there. < 1288316690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, but I would download a kitten. < 1288316698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN < 1288316699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Would YOU move DOSIDLE.EXE there?!?!??!?! < 1288316704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure, I guess. < 1288316713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S LIKE DOWNLOADING A KITTEN ;__; < 1288316724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd also download a Kitten. < 1288316733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHOOPS YOU CAN'T LOL < 1288316752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: キッテン！ < 1288316761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: kawaii desu < 1288316765 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should do some homework < 1288316771 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then do something resembling sleep < 1288316789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: うん、可愛さがあるね。 < 1288316793 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so going to hack blackbox to add the Gnome virtual desktop slidey keys to it < 1288316797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hur why ee < 1288316801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: lol < 1288316803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, it possesses cuteness.) < 1288316810 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so going to install rxvt-unicode so I can see what pikhq is saying < 1288316815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: \o/ < 1288316816 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :         | < 1288316816 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        /| < 1288316817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Or just a graphical client < 1288316822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bweheheh. The 8 inch floppy was marketed in terms of the number of punchcards you could put on there. <-- awesome! How many was it? < 1288316824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: (or you could just use uxterm) < 1288316828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2 < 1288316833 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not more? < 1288316837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOPE TWO < 1288316848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would have expected like, 20 or so < 1288316854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A WHOLE TWO < 1288316857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably not) < 1288316866 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah you were making it up < 1288316879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Pretty sure 20 was the number, but I can't find the actual number ATM. < 1288316883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how common Apache 1.3.37 is. < 1288316902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh, I guess I'm good at guessing < 1288316925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to be fair it's like 1/4 the size < 1288316933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1288316934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for a punch card-sized bunch of floppies you're getting like < 1288316942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 :P < 1288316942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should market hdds in number of punchcards! < 1288316967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it." < 1288316987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, archaic units I presume < 1288316999 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I never heard of them though < 1288317002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but awesome idea < 1288317004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O' < 1288317019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 3½" floppy disk is not 3.5 inches. < 1288317021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is 90mm. < 1288317027 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... Falcon doesn't build on NetBSD < 1288317040 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/catseye/build/Falcon-0.9.6.6/engine/signals_posix.cpp:119: error: 'SIGRTMIN' was not declared in this scope < 1288317052 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first floppy listed by wikipedia is "8-inch - IBM 23FD (read-only)" < 1288317056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read-only heh < 1288317074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's 504 gallons per mile. < 1288317083 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is apparently POSIX, though < 1288317085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, in km/l... < 1288317085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ahahahaha < 1288317086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention a 1.44MB floppy disk only stores 1.40 MiB. < 1288317098 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :79.7 kiB, first read-write was 175 kB < 1288317104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Simpson said it, anyway. < 1288317108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, kiB < 1288317109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 1.47 MB. < 1288317112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frink's web interface is down. < 1288317188 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|tell Phantom_Hoover I AM HACKING AT FALCON'S SOURCE CODE! < 1288317188 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Consider it noted. < 1288317198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, are you? < 1288317219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, how horrible is it? < 1288317230 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, why would you deliberately do this? < 1288317299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ew, dosidle switches start with -! < 1288317301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO undoslike < 1288317321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: proposal: "tell" becomes something like < 1288317329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|append ~Phantom_Hoover/inbox Hello, world! < 1288317329 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: omg u errored teh syntax!!1! < 1288317333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: :D < 1288317337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fun fact: / is a valid path seperator on DOS. < 1288317341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: your MO < 1288317365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And has been as long as it's had path seperators. < 1288317375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that syntax is a bit cumbersome < 1288317378 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell is shorter < 1288317387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but storkbot isn't about uncumbersomeness! < 1288317389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1288317394 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I am. Vorpal: I only looked long enough to add #include to a file. Sgeo: Because I am crazy. elliott: fascinating < 1288317395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~Phantom_Hoover/inbox+=Hello, world! < 1288317396 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: omg u errored teh syntax!!1! < 1288317396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but if our goal isn't about being practical, then fine < 1288317406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"our"? :P < 1288317429 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1288317430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://h3g3m0n.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/qemu-win3111.png < 1288317431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY HOTDOG STAND < 1288317434 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal is on the PGM team for storkbot < 1288317434 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quarter to Brillig < 1288317435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, weird, I thought I typed "the goal" < 1288317438 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get some work done < 1288317441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, PGM? < 1288317450 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex, ... < 1288317463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex, REFERENCE NOTED :P < 1288317490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, dosidle works! < 1288317506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, invent backstory for minesweeper < 1288317512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Ironic that SP\ASM's zip isn't 8.3, and when expanded it results in a directory which isn't 8.3. < 1288317514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ...whut < 1288317516 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Program Management. < 1288317527 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you here? < 1288317528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, it would be so silly < 1288317528 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "G" might stand for something too. I forget. < 1288317538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Great < 1288317545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program -- Great -- Management! < 1288317583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hotdog Stand. < 1288317585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY GOD WHY. < 1288317587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yup. < 1288317592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are a soldier, send out to clear a mine field. However your detection equipment is very poor. You have a probe you stick into the ground and it gives you a crude proximity value. If too close it has a big chance of setting off the mine. < 1288317598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the plot/backstory? < 1288317620 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/include/sys/signal.h:#define SIGRTMIN 33 /* Kernel only; not exposed to userland yet */ < 1288317622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, hm < 1288317623 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, so < 1288317632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there's even a "port" of it to modern windows classic themes :D < 1288317636 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Falcon only builds on "real time" OSes. < 1288317641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: wat < 1288317659 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it requires SIGRTMIN, which is a Posix "real time" signal of some sort. < 1288317670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I thnk SP\ASM is the WORST SOFTWARE EVER < 1288317673 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In NetBSD, for whatever reason, ONLY THE KERNEL CODE KNOWS THIS SIGNAL. < 1288317684 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hotdog Stand? < 1288317693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: just #define SIGRTMIN 33 in a falcon header somewhere and get on with life :P < 1288317696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you don't want to know < 1288317701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, slow with clicking links eh? < 1288317703 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: Must Deeper Hack! < 1288317707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is quite absurd indeed < 1288317710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nobody linked it < 1288317727 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was linked < 1288317728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh http://h3g3m0n.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/qemu-win3111.png < 1288317732 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found the link < 1288317740 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't labelled as Hotdog Stand < 1288317743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You are an ordinary man, trying to live your life after the great Mine Wars. Unfortunately, your only hint of mines is the bizarre Mine Numbers, which a crazy scientist for the Reds invented via genetic engineering. < 1288317757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, right < 1288317758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you can clear the area of mines, then you have a chance of getting a good night's sleep tonight. < 1288317770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No you don't. < 1288317773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You start a new game after that. < 1288317776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYONE MUST BE PROTECTED < 1288317785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, awesome idea too < 1288317792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's the next day's work. < 1288317797 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1256956 (WARNING FALCON CODE) < 1288317812 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they put the #ifdef in stupid place. < 1288317820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288317821 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could submit this change as a PATCH to them < 1288317826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARTCH < 1288317840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, so they did < 1288317883 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely the practical effect of fixing it is incredibly limited < 1288317897 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless every single nanosecond counts < 1288317897 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the practical effect of the whole file seems pretty limited < 1288317910 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is introducing builtin identifiers which don't seem to be implemented yet < 1288317927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: just try and convince me that DEBUG isn't the best program ever < 1288317939 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH NO STUPID CODE ARGH < 1288317953 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm afraid i can't do that, dave < 1288318071 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the size difference is stunning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Floppy_Disk_Drive_8_inch.jpg < 1288318101 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, I'm wrong; that's not what it does. < 1288318106 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does AUGH. < 1288318109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: omg i want that so fucking much < 1288318115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks so... nice < 1288318118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :floppies feel crap, you know? < 1288318126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that... i would totally not feel bad about putting that in a drive and using it < 1288318131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a bit crazy, but < 1288318133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to admit < 1288318134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1288318135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the large one. But which way should you mount it in your computer? < 1288318138 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The practical effect of fixing it is to get it to build on NetBSD (outside the kernel) < 1288318142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: PROBABLY VERTICALLY < 1288318148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1288318149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: FALCON KERNEL MODULE < 1288318151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it do it do it < 1288318196 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dude, think of the little sanity he has left < 1288318227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you use DEBUG to disassemble? :P < 1288318256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debug < 1288318257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1288318259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong window < 1288318425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh wow < 1288318427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rem >file < 1288318430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best touch ever < 1288318441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...doesn't work in NT cmd though :) < 1288318444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type null >foo works there < 1288318447 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do they get off calling David Livingstone "Mr."? < 1288318470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, SEE THE INSANITY YOU CAUSED! < 1288318489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what insanity < 1288318501 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where do they get off calling David Livingstone "Mr."? < 1288318527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Livingstone < 1288318588 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks out 'falbot'
< 1288318604 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: YES THEY CALL HIM 'Mr.' IN THEIR EXAMPLE CODE ON THEIR WEBPAGE < 1288318626 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mr. Livingstone, I presume?" THIS IS SO WRONG, YOU SEE? < 1288318632 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, um... why would it make a difference? < 1288318633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, ah indeed < 1288318636 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiler complaints? < 1288318654 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. See above. NetBSD SIGRTMIN etc etc. < 1288318659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, file a bug report < 1288318669 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *snrt*tschyeah. < 1288318696 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll let Phantom_Hoover file the bug report. < 1288318959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1288318961 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1288319141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: How bizarre; it seems that what you do with PL\ASM *is* required. < 1288319151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't write to a zero-byte COM properly with debug. < 1288319160 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imagine that, me doing something necessary to accomplish a goal < 1288319176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: EVERYTHING YOU DO IS WRONG < 1288319184 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :catseye_ < 1288319190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye_: MORESO WITH THE UNDERSCORE < 1288319299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye_: How dare you. < 1288319306 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Excellent! < 1288319321 0 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288319331 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hit me with some Unicode! < 1288319341 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands Vorpal his card, Quadlex, esq; Grue and Snark Hunter Extrodinare; {Boojums Extra}
< 1288319372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ã < 1288319380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: âêérty;A@~ææ@ł¹²³ < 1288319381 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get their falcon bot to run because it can't find the regex libs. < 1288319395 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, so yeah, I don't think urxvt works. < 1288319408 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're messing with me. < 1288319459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\>debug C:\DOS\DEBUG.EXE < 1288319460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD LORD. < 1288319463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: æ is ae < 1288319468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ¹²³ is superscript 123 < 1288319470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ł is polish l < 1288319472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :â is ^a < 1288319476 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, nope, not working. < 1288319487 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might need font, might need, who knows, I don't care. < 1288319496 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288319516 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome-terminal will love me! < 1288319519 0 :catseye_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :catseye < 1288319528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: the xfce terminal is pretty lightweight andn ice < 1288319529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and nice < 1288319575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, debug seems useless for debugging but nice for everything else :) < 1288319578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to try and get it to disassemble < 1288319582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a full program) < 1288319588 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh horrible < 1288319599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ? < 1288319605 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to configure it during build to build the regex "feather" for Falcon < 1288319609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1288319619 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i overuse the word horrible, too. < 1288319636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i overuse "ludicrously" < 1288319639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm trying to cut down on it < 1288319643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use it a ludicrous amount < 1288319644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[rimshot] < 1288319662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pentium IV" lawl < 1288319809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: did you ever use SP\ASM for any actual program? < 1288319842 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um... no. < 1288319847 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the hello, world. < 1288319868 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, damn. no labels! < 1288319885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: surely you could hack up labels < 1288319887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1288319901 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just thinking that < 1288319905 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would take two passes < 1288319909 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would require GNU M4 < 1288319913 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1288319919 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not *exactly* < 1288319926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I mean from within debug :) < 1288319932 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making the code I wrote at Microsoft run on Linux: Pretty epic? < 1288319942 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeayeah soon i'll have falcon with FEATHERS! < 1288319952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Other things developed at Microsoft Research that run on Linux: GHC < 1288319959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, uh, vaguely epic :P < 1288319965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I like how we've all given up on WebSplat. < 1288319983 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't but I have lots and lots of other things to do. Also, GHC wasn't DEVELOPED at MSR, it was folded into MSR. < 1288319991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It IS developed at MSR, though. < 1288319999 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, but it didn't start there :P < 1288320007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And even then it's more like "people at MSR are paid to develop it", not "it is now an MSR project" :P < 1288320135 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised by how compatible Mono is with Visual Studio's "solution" format. < 1288320260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Microsoft Research have a few patches in Linux? < 1288320277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SSSSH DON'T LET THE LAWYERS HEAR YOU < 1288320307 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys are totally not helping my triumph :P < 1288320331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: for maximum dissonance release it under the gpl3 < 1288320333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*under gpl3 < 1288320340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i say "the gpl" but "gpl[23]" < 1288320341 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That I do not have the right to do :P < 1288320355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lol@you < 1288320384 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tri-whut? < 1288320411 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oomph! < 1288320422 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What license? < 1288320511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Microsoft Public Sperm-Ownership License < 1288320545 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye$ gnome-terminal < 1288320545 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :** < 1288320547 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR:terminal-app.c:1450:terminal_app_init: assertion failed: (app->default_profile_id != NULL) < 1288320547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: This Microsoft Research License Agreement < 1288320556 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, THE bleh bleh bleh < 1288320559 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love you, pkgsrc! < 1288320565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: gtk apps fail assertions all the time < 1288320568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might still work < 1288320570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it starts, it works :P < 1288320579 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no starty, no worky. < 1288320581 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's only licensed to me and my advisor. < 1288320586 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2] Abort trap (core dumped) gnome-terminal < 1288320590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I LIKE HOW MICROSOFT OWNS YOUR SHIT < 1288320596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: heh < 1288320605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did write it at Microsoft. While being paid by them. Paid a lot. < 1288320605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: maybe you should use Debian/kFreeBSD instead or something < 1288320612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SHIT-OWNAGE < 1288320631 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-173-238-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288320634 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgets his scruples while rolling in piles of money.
< 1288320638 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay falbot found the regex libs and managed to crash on its OWN code instead!!! < 1288320645 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which? < 1288320652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WHICH MONEY" < 1288320662 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just swimming in fail here right now < 1288320663 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It's a "Microsoft Research License Agreement" < 1288320672 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: It's only licensed to me and my advisor. < 1288320674 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: xfce will save my soul! < 1288320679 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *Ah*. < 1288320680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: just install xfce entirely < 1288320681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it's nice < 1288320698 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That explains why I can't find details — it's not a Shared Source license at all. < 1288320700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all Jumps must be to hexadecimal addresses (no labels can be used)" < 1288320701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH! < 1288320707 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: No, it's not. < 1288320707 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU CALLED IT BORING < 1288320714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it sort of is! but in an excellent way < 1288320723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it sucks of COURSE but it's also nice. < 1288320726 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know :) < 1288320796 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: XFCE is definitely the best desktop environment out there right now. < 1288320803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288320813 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 XFCE < 1288320813 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1288320822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Xfce < 1288320824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of you. < 1288320835 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primarily because it doesn't do anything completely and utterly retarded. < 1288320847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, surprisingly, goes a long way in software. < 1288320857 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseyecatseyecatseye$ falcon ./falbot.fal < 1288320857 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: error while scanning directory < 1288320862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It does have its own configuration database though. Sigh. < 1288320867 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER MIND why my prompt has my username x3 < 1288320868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: please tell me that's your actual prompt < 1288320872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: please < 1288320878 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is the result of . ~/.shrc twice < 1288320882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288320885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: maybe it does like < 1288320886 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry to break your heart < 1288320888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS1=...$PS1 < 1288320889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1288320894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get what i mean < 1288320896 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, i'm sure < 1288320904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: oh, so that $ vs # is preserved < 1288320905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, well, ... That's actually pretty stupid. < 1288320907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS1=\u$PS1 < 1288320909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1288320915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. Yes it is. :P < 1288320927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's wrong with using files on "everything is a file" fucking UNIX? < 1288320938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nothing's been a file since networking and ioctl came along < 1288320941 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseyecatseyecatseye$ falcon ./falbot.fal < 1288320942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, every process function < 1288320942 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: error while scanning directory /home/pnema/dev/falcon/falcon-website/live/data < 1288320943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, everything < 1288320950 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i'd say this software is usable < 1288320952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: hahaha < 1288320959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Still the motto, even if it is a bit of a lie. < 1288320982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: linux is maybe 2x "everything is a file" as windows is < 1288320984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is still pretty terrible < 1288320986 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good things about Falcon: makes Python look acceptable. < 1288321015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, yeah, the only true implementation of that these days is Plan 9. < 1288321041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder how Plan 9 does file permissions? I've actually never checked < 1288321152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1288321446 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :homina homina homina < 1288321991 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for pkg in `pkg_info | awk '{ print $1 }'`; do (pkg_info -R $pkg | grep 'Required' >/dev/null) || echo $pkg; done < 1288322017 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ list of all leaf packages (no depedents) insalled from pkgsrc < 1288322020 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*installed < 1288322088 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, has bugs? < 1288322109 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i use wrong < 1288322209 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott will certainly find way to improve it when he somes back. Then he will deride Sgeo < 1288322259 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comes < 1288322319 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmm back to building Qt from source < 1288322717 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should "improve" my "bot" while I eat "cold cereal" < 1288324344 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288324904 0 :benuphoenix!~benuphoen@beowulf.benuphoenix.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288324948 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off-Topic: I need advice: Should I give my dog her own e-mail address? < 1288324976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1288324983 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that off-topic? < 1288324983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, she *should* have her own UUID. < 1288325321 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288325533 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Usually, the topic of a channel is not related to asking about pet email accounts < 1288325603 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: Anyway, I agree with pikhq. Your bitch does not need an e-mail address; that's old media! Get with the times and open a Facebook account for her. < 1288325681 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to make an email address for her first... < 1288325808 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll use my own domain so that I won't have to lie about her age < 1288325909 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288326081 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288326196 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night all < 1288326207 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow I go to learn stuff that I hope I never need to use < 1288326233 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@99.94.155.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288326248 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288326328 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288326464 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288326482 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288326552 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288326578 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288326647 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288326680 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :DrNinja < 1288326719 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288326734 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288326757 0 :DrNinja!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :catseye < 1288326781 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288326803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :忍者医師が来た！(ninnsìȳaisi kà kita!) < 1288327114 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288327172 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288327234 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: hit the showers < 1288327283 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :DrNinja < 1288327566 0 :DrNinja!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :catseye < 1288328027 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288328107 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to find some economic predictor that uses the price of tea in china as a reference. < 1288328117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when people say "But what's that got to do with the price of tea in China?" < 1288328119 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can explain. < 1288328141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1288328164 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|#g < 1288328165 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: < 1288328215 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|glunk < 1288328215 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1288328223 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/errmsgs=snark < 1288328223 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: snark < 1288328225 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|glunk < 1288328226 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ?SYNTAX ERROR < 1288328263 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably be .errmsgs < 1288328434 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|help ass < 1288328434 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Assign a user-scope variable with ~/foo=1. Assign a server-scope variable with /bar=1. Assign a channel-scope variable with #baz=1. < 1288328508 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Juno (The dog) sent her first test email, asking to be pet. Now, I have to give her a facebook < 1288328780 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288329156 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: ... < 1288329157 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1288329171 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: How did you find my other network? :P < 1288329238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ? < 1288329239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1288329250 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SECRETS < 1288329464 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I learned about this channel during my days in Agora. < 1288329487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: hmm, what name did you play under again? < 1288329506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to connect what benuphoenix just said about agora with Gregor talking about presumably-irc networks
< 1288329521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it should be #/foo not #foo < 1288329527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: then you can do ##php/morons and the like < 1288329531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: consistency! < 1288329539 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i suppose so < 1288329543 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot: Schrodinger's Cat < 1288329549 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: There is a FALCON roosting in my CHIMNEY. < 1288329583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: ok, seriously. why don't you use tab complete? < 1288329585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when will you start? < 1288329632 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But will you hire a PLUMBER to feed it SCALLIONS? *wink* < 1288329656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I'm almost at a loss wrt labels in SP\ASM :P < 1288329679 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|tell no_one hi < 1288329680 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Consider it noted. < 1288329688 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~no_one/msgs < 1288329689 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: {{msg="hi",from="catseye"}} < 1288329717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: <3 yay < 1288329727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/msgs = {{msg="hi",from="your mom"}} < 1288329728 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: {{msg="hi",from="your mom"}} < 1288329729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1288329730 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288329735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i broke it :D < 1288329736 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is a lua table and you can't manipulate it < 1288329738 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1288329744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: dude you suck make it syntax < 1288329744 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: That would cost too FEW of the CALENDARS. < 1288329746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or DIEEEE < 1288329762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION headache
< 1288329763 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fuck you, thanks < 1288329781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: go to hell asswipe, omg thanks you're awesome < 1288329916 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288329917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: wait, debug outputs the locations as it assembles to them < 1288329921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/msgs < 1288329921 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1288329924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/msgs = {{msg="hi",from="your mom"}} < 1288329924 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: {{msg="hi",from="your mom"}} < 1288329925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1288329931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|tell elliott dojgidfg < 1288329931 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288329938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i broke it again < 1288329965 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no you didn't. < 1288329967 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still here < 1288329969 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's NINJA < 1288329973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |tell elliott dojgidfg < 1288329973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* storkbot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) < 1288329986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: we have different definitions of broken < 1288330004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo I haven't broken yet! Although it will take me a while to reply. < 1288330031 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288330033 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't broken yet! Although it will take me a while to reply. < 1288330034 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not really. it's more accurate to say i was lying. < 1288330044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: yeah well FUCK ALL LIARS < 1288330047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/msgs < 1288330048 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1288330050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/msgs = {{ < 1288330050 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: {{ < 1288330054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|tell elliott magic happens < 1288330054 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Consider it noted. < 1288330056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/msgs < 1288330056 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: elliott told me to tell you: magic happens < 1288330056 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: {} < 1288330059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... < 1288330061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cheating man < 1288330070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~/msgs = {{ < 1288330070 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: {{ < 1288330071 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it no break now < 1288330076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|tell elliott artichokes < 1288330076 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Consider it noted. < 1288330078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :asjdasjd < 1288330080 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it smrt bot < 1288330081 0 :asjdasjd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~elliott/msgs < 1288330081 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asjdasjd: {{msg="artichokes",from="elliott"}} < 1288330089 0 :asjdasjd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ONLY SMRT AS SMRT CAN DO < 1288330094 0 :asjdasjd!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1288330099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|~elliott/msgs=can't touch this < 1288330099 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: elliott told me to tell you: artichokes < 1288330099 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1288330106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wut? < 1288330109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ~you/... not work? < 1288330125 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... not for assignment < 1288330136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: lawl < 1288330140 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it should, but, meh < 1288330144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|#/x < 1288330144 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1288330146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1288330150 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow or something < 1288330161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: is there any way to execute one command and then another command? < 1288330165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST A WISHLIST ENTRY Y'KNOW < 1288330170 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there will be < 1288330176 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|help;help < 1288330176 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Help is available for: assignment expressions print goto tell source errors < 1288330184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|print hey; print toy < 1288330184 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey; print toy < 1288330185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|print hey; print you < 1288330185 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey; print you < 1288330192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I AM UNDERWHELMED SIR < 1288330201 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that a lot now < 1288330217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this hate thing you and me are developing < 1288330219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very hatey < 1288330248 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well < 1288330286 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably not hang out here so much < 1288330290 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would get a lot more done < 1288330297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: but a lot less hating done < 1288330490 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288330641 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NetBSD. I use it now. So install it. < 1288330654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: at 5:37 am? < 1288330659 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT < 1288330665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: with a headache? < 1288330685 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, I'll let it slide *this* time. < 1288330709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: besides, a lot of linux distros don't even support this ethernet card(!) < 1288330713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, Tiny Core Linux < 1288330718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I *very* much doubt NetBSD will :) < 1288330792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reenfeoffing" -- best word in the english language? < 1288330809 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i reserve the right to switch this back to Maverick. Possibly repartitioning so's I can have a FreeDOS partition too. < 1288330822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i thought maverick annoyed you < 1288330827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, /me is rocking debian here < 1288330844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: freedos? pah, install DOS 6 < 1288330854 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only where it gets commercial. also, it IS slower than NetBSD, even factoring out the GUI < 1288330856 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Juno now has a functioning facebook. < 1288330871 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...he's not on... < 1288330881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: please tell me beowulf.benuphoenix.com is an actual beowulf cluster < 1288330888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it totally is, stick with netbsd FOREVER < 1288330923 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: give me ntfs filesystem access here, and i totally would probably maybe < 1288330926 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's a beowulf cluster? < 1288330933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it has fuse does it not? < 1288330936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: thus ntfs-3g < 1288330944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: http://www.google.com/search?q=beowulf%20cluster < 1288330945 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...does it? oh, it may indeed < 1288330950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it does have FUSE, yes. < 1288330957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you may need to install the stuff somehow < 1288330963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it probably has an ntfs-3g package < 1288330964 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means ntfs-3g can run in userspace, right? < 1288330970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: that's how ntfs-3g is designed, yes < 1288330972 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beowulf is a linode < 1288330972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it's what ubuntu uses < 1288330976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: lame < 1288330993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: "NTFS-3G is an open source cross-platform implementation of the Microsoft Windows NTFS file system with read-write support. NTFS-3G often uses the FUSE file system interface, so it can run unmodified on many different operating systems. It is runnable on Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, ..." < 1288330994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in luck < 1288330994 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bsd people are allergic to gpl code in the kernel, so yay! that's finally solved around < 1288331005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in that list is Haiku < 1288331009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: install Haiku < 1288331026 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, I *may* stay with this. < 1288331036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHA MY EVIL PLAN WORKED (what's my evil plan again?) < 1288331044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: have you installed xfce yet? < 1288331047 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. < 1288331051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will probably make things a whole loss less painful, yeah. < 1288331053 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from source, of course < 1288331055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: lol < 1288331063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: bsds were gentoo before gentoo :) < 1288331068 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to... make X use it < 1288331071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it more Linux From Scratch... < 1288331076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: in your .xinitrc < 1288331077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put < 1288331079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec xfce4-session < 1288331087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: then restart X < 1288331091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you *could* install a fancy graphical login manager < 1288331095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have a feeling that's not your thing < 1288331125 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to run... a login manager (not fancy though). don't recall its name < 1288331137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: slim? xdm? < 1288331143 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably xdm < 1288331144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not gdm/kdm < 1288331153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: xdm is supremely ugly but you can actually configure it to... not be < 1288331160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: we're talking X11 checkerboard-grey background ugly < 1288331179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: what's up with the rube license? < 1288331187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[a "freely redistributable" licence (not open source, but not closed source either.)]] < 1288331200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288331201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Freely redistributable unmodified for non-commmercial purposes. < 1288331205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, what's up with that :p < 1288331300 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's up with it is just what it says is up with it... < 1288331332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i just mean, it'd be vaguely irritating to rewrite all that for SuperRUBENowWithNetworking < 1288331355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has never quite been able to understand "look but don't touch" licenses tbh
< 1288331357 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be worse to hack it; have you looked at the code? < 1288331364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: well. yes. i did notice that < 1288331380 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it is to piss off someone who wanted it to be open source, but who was an asshole about it, tbh. < 1288331386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288331422 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night all < 1288331429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: night < 1288331541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do *you* remember seeing that page about maximal sets of installable debian package? < 1288331543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*packages? < 1288331560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the guy used a script or something to find the largest set of debian packages such that no package can be added to it as it would cause a conflict < 1288331561 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1288331573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: thus constituting a list of the most debian packages you can have installed at once < 1288331588 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't remember that list, but that's pretty awesome. < 1288331593 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder how many TB that would be. < 1288331600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uhh, try a few gigs. < 1288331607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The entire Debian distribution is only a few DVDs. < 1288331614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And there's no way it was all of Debian. < 1288331616 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXAGGERATION FOR EMPHASIS < 1288331623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SHADDUP < 1288331630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway, yes, it was awesome, and I want to install it. < 1288331637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Just to see what my menu would look like at the end of it. < 1288331643 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: PLAY THE VIOLIN, JOHNNY < 1288331659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Bonus: You develop a Pavlovian dread at any mention of upgrading computers. < 1288331677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I just upgraded" "NO! NO! OH GOD THE NETWORK USAGE, OH GOD THE BREAKAGE" < 1288331773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I *think* it might have been Kragen Sitaker. < 1288332013 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288332029 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1288332106 0 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288332149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Apparently all the (free) i386 binaries for Debian amount to 18.5 GiB. < 1288332154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (The source, interestingly, is only 16.8 GiB.) < 1288332173 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that i don't even < 1288332177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So actually, if you have the time to download stuff, whatever subset is maximal would be pretty feasible to install. < 1288332177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ? < 1288332190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I'm talking about every single piece of software for i386 in their repositories. < 1288332192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: That is a *lot*. < 1288332196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: 20k packages. < 1288332206 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet a single modern disk dwarfs it < 1288332232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Hell, I could store it on five of these little dirt-cheap 4 gig USB sticks. < 1288332246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have 1.5 GiB left over to store, I don't know, photographs. < 1288332252 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 18.5 GiB of packages or installed? < 1288332270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I am not sure; it is from http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-tol/2010-October/000928.html, as I am searching that list to find the post. < 1288332276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Current Debian stable source (5.0.6) | 16.8GB | lots of free software | < 1288332277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | Debian i386 binaries | 18.5GB | same, but compiled | < 1288332277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : |--------------------------------------+--------+-----------------------| < 1288332281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what he listed. < 1288332291 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhhhhh i just started xfce4-session while blackbox was still running ok no this is so wrong < 1288332294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He also listed Wikipedia both compressed and uncompressed. < 1288332297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: yeah no don't do that < 1288332297 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah bette < 1288332305 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was so cool though! < 1288332308 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok time to restart X < 1288332310 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288332334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If I can't find it, I'll just write my own stuff to do it. < 1288332346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I mean, conflicts are relatively rare compared to how many packages there are. So it can't be *that* hard, surely? :) < 1288332363 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's certainly NP-hard, but if conflicts are sufficiently rare that MAY be OK with a good heuristic :P < 1288332377 0 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288332378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I want the provably maximal set of Debian packages! Raaawr! < 1288332379 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/certainly/probably, although I have no evidence except that it tastes so, < 1288332389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/,$/,\// < 1288332393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome. < 1288332403 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicely fucked up xfce has snazzy terminal but no way to move or resize it < 1288332413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: are you sure you installed xfce < 1288332417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm not sure though. Uhh, hmm. < 1288332421 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "window management" part must be missing < 1288332427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Post-structuralist_engineer_blamed_for_bridge_disaster < 1288332427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: xfwm < 1288332472 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello? < 1288332475 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1288332476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: hi < 1288332478 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1288332500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is there a more efficient way to do "for pkg in $(aptitude search . | awk '{print $1}'); do (aptitude show $pkg | grep -c '^Conflicts:' >/dev/null) && echo $pkg; done"? :P < 1288332517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo, that doesn't even work. < 1288332552 0 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288332572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ for pkg in $(aptitude search . | awk '{if ($2 == "A") { print $3 } else { print $2 }}'); do (aptitude show $pkg | grep -c '^Conflicts:' >/dev/null) && echo $pkg; done < 1288332575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, i think that should work < 1288332588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway, I imagine the result is rather short. < 1288332637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dear god it is so slow :P < 1288332805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There are rather more conflicting packages than I imagined X-P < 1288332832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you're daring, just list out every package and send it to aptitude install. (Note: When I did this, aptitude and apt-get both exited without giving me any diagnostics.) < 1288332841 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha < 1288332866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aewm < 1288332866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aewm++-goodies < 1288332871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ON GOD'S EARTH COULD AEWM CONFLICT WITH < 1288332878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Of course this is only packages that directly conflict. < 1288332882 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizarro-aewm < 1288332883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anything that *depends* on these... ho ho ho. < 1288332891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggests: menu (>= 2.1.9) < 1288332891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conflicts: menu (< 2.1.9) < 1288332893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1288332896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT DOES TOTALLY NOT COUNT GUYS < 1288332898 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1288332899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SUCK AT PACKAGE MANAGEMENT < 1288332926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Most of these conflicts are just setting minimum versions on non-dependencies :P < 1288332995 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erk. blackbox is written in C++ < 1288333029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: xfwm! defender of the galaxyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy < 1288333034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks a bit but ok < 1288333045 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm looking for one i can hack on easily < 1288333049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: lwm < 1288333053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: or aewm, but lwm is better < 1288333055 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1288333059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: http://www.jfc.org.uk/software/lwm.html < 1288333084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you will have to make an .Xresources/.Xdefaults to make it click-to-focus if you like that sort of thing < 1288333093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: and if that doesn't load, xrdb -merge .that in your .xinitrc ofc < 1288333099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X resources are insane shit. < 1288333161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's totally on to listing the ars < 1288333169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :94 conflicts < 1288333181 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: G'luck with that. < 1288333189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i am... probably sleeping before this is done < 1288333196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but can you IMAGINE the menu? < 1288333212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "I'm gonna start the GIHOOOOOOLY SHIIIIIIIT" < 1288333219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: or the /usr/bin < 1288333240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ok, emacs... ema Did you mean: emasculate?" < 1288333329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: do you plan on installing this monstrosity? < 1288333329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : because I'd be vaguely interested in how many hours that takes to boot :\ < 1288333332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THAT'D BE ANOTHER ISSUE WOULDN'T IT < 1288333337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting hot-babe-daemon... < 1288333353 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are mentioned in the lwm sources < 1288333357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: no, i am not < 1288333364 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an* elliott is < 1288333365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: that is but one Elliott Hughes, who is cool and also originally wrote lwm < 1288333373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: his username is elliotth. not shitting you < 1288333391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: he also maintains an editor/IDE/thing that's based on plan 9's acme! < 1288333399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: but it's written in java, so. i don't like him *too* much < 1288333408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://software.jessies.org/ < 1288333490 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /* Lasciate ogni speranza voi ch'entrate... */ < 1288333543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i actually used lwm for a while! < 1288333571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you should totally add alt+right-mouse-drag for resizing if you want to make me happy. < 1288333577 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O XWindows. O, thou art not to be trifled with. < 1288333581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: oh, also hackable is http://www.6809.org.uk/evilwm/ < 1288333591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: which, while probably too minimalist for your tastes, is certainly a base. < 1288333598 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1288333603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: (it lacks, say, window borders.) < 1288333611 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it too is in pkgsrc < 1288333620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: warning, lwm packages are sometimes inexplicably out of date < 1288333627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also warning: latest stable lwm is newer than development lwm, i think < 1288333799 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geh, also lwm is gpl. < 1288333804 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, whatever < 1288333823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: oh, is it? < 1288333845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: well if you want fun go evilwm < 1288333850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you get to write your own window decorations < 1288333863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you could try aewm... dunno what license it's under < 1288333872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's based on 9wm but 9wm has no window decorations beyond a border < 1288333876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so aewm is probably a nicer base < 1288333880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's the benefit core i3 to the gnu/linux?! < 1288333881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--#debian < 1288333885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, #debian, thou art so retarded. < 1288334004 0 :fritzthecat_!~fritzthec@HSI-KBW-085-216-049-156.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1288334062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fritzthecat_: You should be called fittsthecat. It's more ergonomic. < 1288334167 0 :fritzthecat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall recognize this < 1288334198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fritzthecat_: hello < 1288334241 0 :fritzthecat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi thre < 1288334250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fritzthecat_: do you know what this channel is about? < 1288334252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people who come in here don't < 1288334302 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about the real hell (see topic) < 1288334328 0 :fritzthecat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think paranormal things like telepathie and so < 1288334395 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-150.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288334408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fritzthecat_: you think'st wrong! < 1288334426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fritzthecat_: this channel is about esoteric programming languages; computer programming languages designed to be strange or interesting, out of the norm. < 1288334448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fritzthecat_: freenode is an IRC network for open projects, usually technical in nature; you are unlikely to find what you seek here. < 1288334451 0 :fritzthecat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like erlang or so < 1288334460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. erlang isn't quite esoteric, but yes. < 1288334462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it is in a way < 1288334515 0 :fritzthecat_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think this room is also interesting for me ;-) < 1288334537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fritzthecat_: yes, that is quite likely. < 1288334539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, he haþ yet to leave. Faſcinating. < 1288334542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very rare we get someone who knows anything about both. < 1288334549 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: evilwm has an accretion of MIT-esque licenses < 1288334551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you *trying* to drive people away? :) < 1288334556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ok i have a solution < 1288334559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: >_> < 1288334560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: <_< < 1288334563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: throw it all away and start from scratch < 1288334565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maaaybe. < 1288334575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hey, he said the actual purpose of this place is relevant to his interests < 1288334578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no point driving him away :p < 1288334581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, okay. < 1288334582 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, no, evilwm is good for me to learn from by modifying. < 1288334594 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, hi fritzthecat_ < 1288334595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RELEASE IT?! i can hardly believe it. < 1288334618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/evilwm/ or how about a python version? dear god. < 1288334631 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no please no argh no ouch no please < 1288334633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: http://incise.org/tinywm.html this is the best wm anyway < 1288334645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: it's like 30 lines long! not reparenting! no borders at all! < 1288334663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: focus-follows-mouse but a keybinding to raise! < 1288334710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also notable for being licensed under http://www.opensource.org/licenses/fair.php, which is possibly the shortest OSI approved license < 1288334716 0 :fritzthecat_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1288334739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not FSF-approved < 1288334745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they don't even say anything about it on http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html) < 1288334771 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-173-205-89.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288334797 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION applies head to wall
< 1288334806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: X Hotdog Stand: http://www.bio.ifi.lmu.de/~steiner/linux/ctwm.jpg < 1288334818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an argument for not supporting themes. < 1288334826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, greyscale displays < 1288334831 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US media are criticising Jon Stewart for... Referring to Obama as "dude". < 1288334854 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Nazi fascist muslim jewish communist tyrant is just fine, but dude is too damned far. < 1288334887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i totally want to see obama and jon stewart just chillin' < 1288334897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smokin' weed, relaxing < 1288334899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on live TV < 1288334901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please make it happen < 1288334903 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288334916 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, last night's episode was a half-hour interview with Obama. < 1288334948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288334956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: insufficient < 1288334964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much serious talking, not enough laid-backness < 1288334970 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Legalise pot and it might happen. < 1288334971 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1288334986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: obama is too chill to care about laws man < 1288334992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have they ever done for him < 1288335000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just made his job harder < 1288335016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: < 1288335016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are contemplating writing a new license, please also contact us at . The proliferation of different free software licenses is a significant problem in the free software community today, both for users and developers. We will do our best to help you find an existing free software license that meets your needs. < 1288335027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: does this read like an "if you are considering committing suicide" paragraph to you, too? < 1288335067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1288335068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/html_node/License-Notices-for-Other-Files.html < 1288335075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: GNU do an actually-free license ^ < 1288335082 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you sometimes feel awkward at parties? The FSF can help you with that. < 1288335113 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here, take one of the FSF's free personality tests. < 1288335116 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Yes, with the RMS course in socialising you can feel awkward at all times. < 1288335151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: have you seen the video where he's answering a question, and he *picks stuff off his bare feet*, and then he *eats it*? < 1288335153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while talking < 1288335159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... it's, yeah, it's... yeah < 1288335166 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, but I've heard of it. < 1288335174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: don't watch it, it's vomiticious < 1288335201 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He has basically no understanding of social norms. < 1288335206 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1288335228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he doesn't NEED to, he's a VISIONARY < 1288335243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he SINGLE-HANDEDLY managed to convince people that "free" meant "heavily-restricted" < 1288335294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem is that acting like a negative stereotype of geeks (... Going all the way down to the carnival performer) is not exactly the best way to win people over. :) < 1288335302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When MIT's Laboratory for Computer Science (LCS) installed a password control system in 1977, Stallman found a way to decrypt the passwords and sent users messages containing their decoded password, with a suggestion to change it to the empty string (that is, no password) instead, to re-enable anonymous access to the systems. Around 20% of the users followed his advice at the time, although passwords < 1288335302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultimately prevailed. Stallman boasted of the success of his campaign for many years afterward." < 1288335312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*has* he bit the head off of chickens?) < 1288335333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "I broke a password encryption algorithm and then emailed EVERYONE with their password. About 20% of people were crazy enough to decide that the solution was to have no password at all. I WIN!" < 1288335352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[When Brian Reid in 1979 placed time bombs in Scribe to restrict unlicensed access to the software, Stallman proclaimed it "a crime against humanity."[18] He clarified, years later, that it is blocking the user's freedom that he believes is a crime, not the issue of charging for the software.[19]]] < 1288335356 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fprintf(stderr, "It must be the warlock Krill!\n"); /* :-) */ < 1288335375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you have ANY IDEA how many corps fund the FSF now, just to keep us spouting ridiculous shit so that the entire open source community looks ridiculous and proprietary software bloom?" < 1288335377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blooms?" < 1288335380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: what's that from < 1288335394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the prorgam < 1288335396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*program < 1288335396 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 9WM < 1288335406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: what codepath? :p < 1288335406 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*capslock < 1288335426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: 9wm, btw, is a bit out of date; it lives on as Plan 9 from User Space's rio(1) < 1288335429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as a basis i guess it's good < 1288335437 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"void circulatereq(e)" -- i think it's a message they don't bother handling? < 1288335442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you'll TOTALLY LOVE my WM! it does EVERYYYTHIIIIING < 1288335445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The FSF has done a decent number of good things. Buuut they are definitely the far out there fringe of the free/open source software movement... < 1288335459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: really it's just my vague attempt at turning unix into plan 9. < 1288335467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: which involves making lots of files. < 1288335478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Let's see... < 1288335484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Presumably you mean code-wise. < 1288335489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: GCC *no*. Coreutils *no*. < 1288335490 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can at least read 9wm's source alright, easier than lwm and evilwm fsr < 1288335502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hurd *no*. < 1288335513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Gdb *eurgh*. < 1288335529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Emacs *was basically made into what it is by other people, but ok, rms did start it*. < 1288335540 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, while the others suffice with *no*, gdb does deserve a full *eurgh. < 1288335540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: info *HAHAHAHAHA* < 1288335542 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1288335554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah gdb is like < 1288335560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when you try to make people hate debuggers < 1288335566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by giving them a worthless UI < 1288335579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: haha: < 1288335581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You want to suffer from infinite pain and agony? < 1288335584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can you help us modify NoScript so it can detect and block nontrivial nonfree JavaScript code?" --gnu.org < 1288335602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *All this was an improvement over the commercial UNIXes at the time*. < 1288335606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Nontrivial JavaScript code is defined in The JavaScript Trap as "if it makes an AJAX request, and consider it nontrivial if it defines methods and either loads an external script or is loaded as one."]] < 1288335612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you sure? BSD existed, man < 1288335614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it had pcc < 1288335616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it had man < 1288335629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it had vi... ok, emacs was an improvement, but most of what makes emacs emacs was not done by rms at all < 1288335640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it had... a kernel, unlike Hurd which is an insanity. < 1288335647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it had BSD userland. < 1288335648 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't get the footpicking out of my head now. thanks. < 1288335649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BSD wasn't commercial, and it wasn't legal for people who didn't have a license directly from AT&T until the early 90s. < 1288335652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok the debugger i have no idea about < 1288335657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, true. < 1288335660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how much did a license cost? < 1288335674 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It wasn't generally available. < 1288335687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but universities had it and that's what matters :) < 1288335701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: minix originated 1987 < 1288335712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sun OS wasn't that bad was it? < 1288335712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GNU predates it. < 1288335727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i mean sure it sucked, but.... < 1288335732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sun OS was and is *revolting*. < 1288335739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and gnu isn't? :) < 1288335756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, maybe i'd have more sympathy if GNU was BSD: The Free Reimplementation Project < 1288335775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the let's-see-how-much-we-can-make-Unix-suck project < 1288335820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GNU was considered wonderful for doing such things as handling lines over 80 characters long. < 1288335831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in what, exactly? < 1288335841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anything with a line buffer. < 1288335855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, fine, look, i just hate gnu ok :) < 1288335858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it made sense then < 1288335864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stopped making sense as soon as BSD became widely-available < 1288335873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.systhread.net/texts/2009xvishist-img/twm-adv.png <-- twm, fuck yeah! < 1288335899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And if Linus had known about BSD, GNU would still languish in obscurity except for Emacs and probably GCC. < 1288335910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well he knew bsd existed... 386bsd just didn't exist < 1288335921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1288335949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: of course his fucking "let's make a simple hobby os" bullshit stopped him manning up and doing the work required to get bsd booting on x86, which was not that much :) < 1288335959 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My impression was that AT&T looked the other way if you had a BSD you didn't pay for, because they wanted penetration. I could be misremembering. < 1288335969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what she s-- sorry. < 1288336027 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can i say, marketers are perverts < 1288336086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: have you used plan 9 ever? < 1288336140 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i tried. it wouldn't install < 1288336152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: well *yeah* it's designed to run on 386s < 1288336154 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, would not boot up < 1288336157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: that's why you run it in a vm :) < 1288336162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost no modern machines can run it < 1288336190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: but it is rather mind-expanding; I thought the Unix philosophy barely existed and was a worthless piece of crap, then I tried Plan 9 < 1288336209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: and i realised that the worthless pieces of crap are actually everything after unix originated :) < 1288336240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: the UI is very nice, and blends textual, linguistic pipey stuff with point-and-clickery < 1288336246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything really is a file, it's really nice. < 1288336253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well worth looking at. < 1288336287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From: Mentifex < 1288336287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newsgroups: comp.lang.objective-c,comp.lang.forth,comp.lang.javascript,comp.lang.lisp < 1288336287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subject: anybody want to help create mentifex-class AI for iPad? < 1288336287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- now *there's* a project worth supporting! Thinking iPads! < 1288336294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol < 1288336311 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are hereby authorized to go ahead and create, market and sell such an AiApp in the interest of the evolution of AI Minds" < 1288336312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you just have a grep for mentifex running 24/7? :) < 1288336324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I wonder how long until the Mentifexularity. < 1288336329 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just read intriguingly titled messages in comp.lang.forth. < 1288336354 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth, javascript, and lisp -- the three big AI languages < 1288336370 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh AND objC, i missed that < 1288336383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Mentifex's AI is in FOOOOOORTH < 1288336388 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The time is ripe for a massive, Cambrian-explosion-style efflorescence of AI Mind prototypes diverging on a grand scale. When only the Apple iPhone was available, I did not think of creating an AiApp because of the visibly small iPhone screen. Now that the wide-screen iPad is succeedingly wildly, naturally I would like to see an AI for iPad." < 1288336389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also ie-only javascript < 1288336389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1288336390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.systhread.net/texts/2009xvishist-img/e16_adv.png < 1288336393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadowed, tiny code font < 1288336395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unreadable gtk font < 1288336400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is everything that's wrong with enlightenment < 1288336405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, you can't do an AI for the iPhone, the screen is too small. < 1288336406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pointless matrix scroller...) < 1288336419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, wow at that gtk font. < 1288336433 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the thought patterns behind that paragraph... oh, where to begin? < 1288336446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HAHAHAHA Xfce was originally a CDE imitator < 1288336447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.systhread.net/texts/2009xvishist-img/xfce1.png < 1288336450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shit you not < 1288336479 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1288336500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: i, too < 1288336508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: hey our sleep schedules are sort of almost synchronised! < 1288336558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 700 packages that have conflicts up to fxload < 1288336558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1288336580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight; bye. < 1288336583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288336601 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Page last updated: Nov 26, 2001" -- aw, fvwm95 isn't going so strong. < 1288336627 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fvwm95.sourceforge.net/screenshot-full.gif -- the awesome. < 1288337766 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288339016 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1288339199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1288339200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1288341848 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288343433 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1288347336 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288352046 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-173-234-116.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288352243 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1288352411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Quadlex hands Vorpal his card, Quadlex, esq; Grue and Snark Hunter Extrodinare; {Boojums Extra} <-- indeed < 1288353236 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1288353255 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1288353484 0 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288354650 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288355164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ais523_: hi < 1288355169 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1288355191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, which one is the other one? < 1288355199 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're both ais523 < 1288355204 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm ais523_ < 1288355210 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but both connections are legit < 1288355219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, so wlan works today? < 1288355219 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's on a really dodgy wireless connection, though < 1288355223 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: after around 8 tries < 1288355236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, got the code for that uudecode thingy around today? < 1288355242 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1288355380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.ca/1976252 < 1288355402 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, I have an obfuscated version, but not the original < 1288355405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I thought you said it was a human readable COM file? < 1288355415 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the program that creates the printable COM files < 1288355420 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, ah < 1288355441 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember what the input and output are; I think they're both specified on the command line < 1288355452 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, it recursively calls main() = < 1288355460 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=/?/ < 1288355554 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, what's wrong with that? < 1288355561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1288355653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there an escape sequence for ? (the "\?" there)? < 1288355701 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: becaus two question marks in a row have a special meaning in C < 1288355707 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to escape the second one < 1288355711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aahahaha < 1288355716 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1288355720 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means, if you're writing an obfuscated program, you can escape question marks just to confuse people < 1288355725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, trigraphs or digraphs? < 1288355731 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: exactly < 1288355736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, which of them I meant < 1288355738 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(digraphs don't use question marks, incidentally) < 1288355740 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so trigraphs < 1288355741 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288355950 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think digraphs even work in string literals; they're replaced at a different level. (Trigraph replacement is done in translation stage 1 just after character set mapping, whereas digraphs are just alternative spellings for some punctuation tokens.) < 1288356043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1288356062 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even use ??/ followed by a newline to break a line in the middle of a keyword < 1288356121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ??/ meaning? < 1288356147 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ < 1288356162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288356928 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc12-sgyl29-2-0-cust185.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288357220 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1288358788 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1288358832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288358959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288359541 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288359634 0 :Wamanuz4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1288359691 0 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288360382 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1288360621 0 :Wamanuz4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288360653 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288360896 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-207-227.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288361099 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1288361617 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288361681 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288361824 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-24.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288362914 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288363606 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288363651 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288364932 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to my dream last night, monks are brusque and officious, and when you go to Ikea on your lunch break they ask to see ID. < 1288364952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, heh < 1288364954 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they = Ikea "coworkers". Not monks. They were in the other part of the dream. < 1288364964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, I see < 1288364970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, you have very strange dreams :D < 1288365132 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288365439 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one actually seemed more coherent than most. I had to make an appointment with a monk for some reason -- the monk on the other end of the phone answered with "Name of monk, time, reason" in a kind of pissed-off voice. Also, there was something about taking the cover off of a USB stick so that it could fit into some hand-held device. < 1288365485 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had an Atari cartridge that came out of its case once, but still worked -- it was kind of like that.) < 1288365546 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not like I was a bowl of pudding and the planets were chasing me because I interrupted their Christmas play, or anything. That would be much stranger. < 1288365599 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1288365612 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288366281 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1288366308 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288366346 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288366981 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, aha, so you do Ikea's IT! < 1288366992 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps you produce flatpack software! < 1288367052 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or he dreamt that was the case at least < 1288367086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Insert socket A into thread B." < 1288367099 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes and? < 1288367121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, most instructions for assembling non-IKEA stuff is like that too < 1288367129 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you're from Sweden. Make up some Ikea instructions, then. < 1288367135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ever assembled a table fan? < 1288367141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know the wily mind of the Swede better than I. < 1288367145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, :P < 1288367164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, IKEA instructions aren't that special < 1288367207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they aren't actually _written_, for a start. < 1288367213 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the special bit is the horde of hex keys you will have if you have lots of IKEA stuff < 1288367215 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, true < 1288367221 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, saves on translation < 1288367223 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-0-24.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288367257 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, they're called Alan keys over here... < 1288367275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "sexkantsnyckel" here (six corner key) < 1288367314 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's spelt "Allen", apparently. < 1288367401 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288367553 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288367675 0 :cpressey|away!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Phantom_Hoover> Well, they aren't actually _written_, for a start. < 1288367679 0 :cpressey|away!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1288367684 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like LEGO instructions! < 1288367689 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also from Sweden! < 1288367697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: LEGO instructions, dear god < 1288367702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denmark, you fool! < 1288367704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the day that happens... < 1288367717 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happened quite some time ago. < 1288367720 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scandinavia. Whatever. < 1288367740 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless, I propose the Erlang manual be rewritten in this form. < 1288367742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so since we're both having strange yet coherent dreams and my last one involved you, i'm sorry about the upcoming holocaust i will unleash on your next one < 1288367748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D haha yes < 1288367754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diagrammatic erlang manual < 1288367790 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a language for which that makes sense! < 1288367809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LEGOlang < 1288367862 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be done! < 1288367870 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or IKEAlang! < 1288367941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Like LEGO instructions! < 1288367941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also from Sweden! < 1288367942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1288367944 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Denmark < 1288367952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Phantom_Hoover said < 1288367953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ke LEGO instructions! < 1288367953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also from Sweden! < 1288367953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: LEGO instructions, dear god < 1288367953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Denmark, you fool! < 1288367966 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, thank you Vorpal, correction has already been submitted and processed. < 1288367969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Some errors just need multiple corrections < 1288367976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "ke"? < 1288367994 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Swede would want those... those... PLASTIC TOYS accidentally associated with their Nation, I take it. < 1288367997 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, typo for ki < 1288368004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lazy select and middle-click-paste. < 1288368022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hah, lego is in fact awesome < 1288368045 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Regardless, I propose the Erlang manual be rewritten in this form. <-- oh my < 1288368052 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, so you have an inferiority complex because the best you could do was a furniture retailer? < 1288368073 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you forgot we have lots more < 1288368082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! Like... uh... < 1288368086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... < 1288368093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saunas! No, wait, that's the Finns. < 1288368106 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, ah, so the best you could do was *lots* of furniture retailers? < 1288368107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, one the major companies in the world that makes mining equipment for example < 1288368116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mining! Yes! Such innovation! < 1288368133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, uh, lots more < 1288368150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, elliott: also erlang < 1288368167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh and Agda < 1288368168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang is a blight, not an achievement >:) < 1288368176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1288368179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto with Agda. < 1288368179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what line am i gonna use for agda < 1288368185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i exhausted that one on erlang, which i don't actually mind < 1288368193 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, XD < 1288368226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, OK, a furniture retailer, mining supplies, an unremarkable language and a crappy one which thinks it's a proof assistant. < 1288368244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang isn't unremarkable, it's just not *that* amazing :) < 1288368245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and, well, olsner? < 1288368251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1288368276 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, Agda is all right as an experimental dependently-typed language, but for some reason people think it can be used to prove things. < 1288368277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh wait I forgot < 1288368279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Minecraft < 1288368283 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*) < 1288368289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you should have used Minecraft < 1288368298 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also surströmming and smörgåsbord. Which shows we can be as nefarious as anyone else. < 1288368302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that too < 1288368377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*smorgasbord < 1288368386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paradoxdgn.com/junk/avatars/trollface.jpg < 1288368388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I used the Swedish spelling < 1288368392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paradoxdgn.com/junk/avatars/trollface.jpg < 1288368401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem? < 1288368435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? Is it worth checking logs for that url? Yesterday evening I started filtering URLs, ais523 had a great idea there. < 1288368455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 doesn't filter links any more. < 1288368464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was such a great idea that you dedicated the next few months to whining about it. < 1288368481 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he did yesterday, but not his desktop < 1288368495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He filters links to remove their clickability. < 1288368501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Links are still shown in their entirety. < 1288368516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, lets ask him when he gets back < 1288368525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you want to know, check the freaking logs, he told me himself. < 1288368547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure, I don't care enough to check that however < 1288368560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Vorpal is now intentionally trying to irritate people. < 1288368574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why? < 1288369100 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You forgot the ULTIMATE Swedish export. < 1288369220 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meatballs? < 1288369232 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Volvos? < 1288369258 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ABBA. < 1288369295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so let's sum up. < 1288369305 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh indeed < 1288369305 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden's contributions to the world are: < 1288369311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Saab too < 1288369317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just volvo < 1288369319 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not any more. < 1288369325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, um they are still going < 1288369339 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saying "going strong" would be a bit exaggerated however < 1288369345 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saab *never* went strong < 1288369348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was a mysterious incident in the factory and everyone inside was found dead? < 1288369364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no. That was in Norway probably < 1288369434 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, well known for its mysterious automotive manufacturing incidents. < 1288369444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should cause there to be a mysterious accident in Sweden and everyone inside would be found dead. < 1288369457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how mysterious should we go for? < 1288369457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can ship the cool people in here out first. (not Vorpal) < 1288369460 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes indeed. Very mysterious since officially they don't have any! < 1288369466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nuclear bomb launched from the UK mysterious < 1288369479 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that mysterious, then. < 1288369484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: VERY MYSTERIOUS < 1288369487 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do you plan to get the bomb? < 1288369495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: George Bush < 1288369505 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the UK's arsenal was almost all submarine-carried. < 1288369584 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would make sense, since the UK is only really at war with Atlantis. < 1288369707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you know that while they are fired from submarines they will go up in the air right? < 1288369787 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the point of *that*? Atlantis is on the ocean floor! < 1288369805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, confusing the enemy perhaps? < 1288369813 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, oh, have you been around a nuclear sub lately? < 1288369828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, indeed < 1288369833 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, the pretend nukes go upwards. < 1288369848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm interesting < 1288369907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey did the punchline and you're all ruining it now < 1288369929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you fail at meta-humour < 1288369935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1288369940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not funny, see. < 1288369952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and who are you to decide that? < 1288369974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal*!*@* added to ignore list. (look ma, i can announce ignores too) < 1288369993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that should make the place saner < 1288370014 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least more on topic < 1288370172 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1288370364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need oerjan here to tell me how unrealistic my plans are. < 1288370371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, we just need oerjan in here full stop. < 1288370399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.22:06:12:31 --- join: oerjan (oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no) joined #esoteric < 1288370399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.22:07:18:00 --- quit: oerjan (Quit: leaving) < 1288370402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time he was seen < 1288370407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.21 was the last time he spoke < 1288370654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :My life with you, Meredith. That's the real hell. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | 8 days since oerjan was last seen < 1288370657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ < 1288370717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :oerjan probably DEAD, real-life NONEXISTENT, 8 WHOLE DAYS without our GLORIOUS PRESENCE | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288370727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to accept any reality that is not #esoteric. < 1288370763 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :oerjan likely DEAD, real-life NONEXISTENT, 8 WHOLE DAYS without our GLORIOUS PRESENCE | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288370780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :oerjan almost certainly DEAD, real-life NONEXISTENT, 8 WHOLE DAYS without our GLORIOUS PRESENCE | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288370782 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOPIC WAR < 1288370793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :oerjan almost certainly DEAD, real-life definitely NONEXISTENT, 8 WHOLE DAYS without our GLORIOUS PRESENCE | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288370841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :oerjan: 8 days since last oerjan sighting | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288370849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (That's the format that was used for me and I'm stickin' to it.)S < 1288370849 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the format that was used for me and I'm stickin' to it. < 1288370860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (When I, a bot, went missing. Indeed.)S < 1288370860 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I, a bot, went missing. Indeed. < 1288370867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :oerjan: 8 whole days since last oerjan sighting | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288370877 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, drrrrama. < 1288370903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should have some sort of daily updated "it's been X days since our last Vorpal-elliott ignore-skirmish" thing in the topic. < 1288370908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawlz < 1288370909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :8 days since last oerjan sighting | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288370911 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, awesome idea < 1288370925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo (THAT'S EXACTLY THE FORMAT THAT WAS USED FOR ME, YOU ARE DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF THE TOPIC IF YOU VIOLATE ITS PURITY)S < 1288370926 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THAT'S EXACTLY THE FORMAT THAT WAS USED FOR ME, YOU ARE DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF THE TOPIC IF YOU VIOLATE ITS PURITY)S (THAT'S EXACTLY THE FORMAT THAT WAS USED FOR ME, YOU ARE DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF THE T ... < 1288370941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo (ALSO: oerjan was the one who invented that format. QED)S < 1288370941 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ALSO: oerjan was the one who invented that format. QED)S (ALSO: oerjan was the one who invented that format. QED)S < 1288370944 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :8 days since last oerjan sighting | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | 100 % pure topic < 1288370949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why bother running it through ^ul? < 1288370950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :8 days since last oerjan sighting | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | 100% pure topic < 1288370952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1288370985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, funny think is I don't have elliott ignored < 1288370989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is he doing that < 1288370992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1288371068 0 :tombom!tombom@81.100.122.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288371068 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1288371068 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1288371577 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288372666 0 :ais523_!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288372702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523_ < 1288372711 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1288372716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: see topic :( < 1288372724 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, really, that long? < 1288372728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yup, I checked < 1288372736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: and he last spoke a day before that < 1288372758 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps he's off to do something more serious < 1288372793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: are you *sure* about that? :p < 1288372811 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, few things are /less/ serious than #esoteric < 1288372825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: yes, but oerjan hasn't been away to do something more serious in...forever < 1288372933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: hmm, I have a theory < 1288372941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: the Windows API is designed to be used from assembly < 1288372952 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, really? < 1288372957 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's designed to be used from 16-bit C < 1288372963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netwide_Assembler#Examples_of_programs_for_various_operating_systems < 1288372973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: the second example there is a windows program that outputs a hello world message box < 1288372979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it sure looks a lot cleaner than C :) < 1288372996 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MessageBoxA is incredibly simple, as the Win32 API goes < 1288373006 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also incredibly uncustomisable < 1288373034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: meh, i like my thought anyway < 1288373036 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's what's responsible for Windows error messages being so bad; you can either throw up a MessageBox or write hundreds of lines of code, so you just throw up a MessageBox and hope the user can guess what OK and Cancel mean) < 1288373037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*theory < 1288373071 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288373083 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Windows asm example doesn't even go into a message loop, and most nontrivial Windows programs do < 1288373095 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288373214 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I'm not entirely convinced it even links the libc (after all, it doesn't need to, it's calling nothing but Windows API functions) < 1288373237 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen some Windows code in asm before. By a crazy person, sadly < 1288373253 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whole Windows app written in asm would be more impressive. < 1288373265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those exist. < 1288373268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: nod32, for instance. < 1288373284 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that anti-virus software? < 1288373286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the best Windows antivirus, it also has all those fancy UI boondoggles, and it's written entirely in x86 asm. < 1288373287 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the equivalent C89 program would be along the lines of WinMain() {MessageBoxA(0,"Hello","Hello, world!",0); ExitProcess(0);} < 1288373287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1288373301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://www.polzer-sw.com/files/pictures/stories/2007/nod32-30/eset-nod32-30-02.png < 1288373305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Assembly code backs that screen. < 1288373307 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually I think it's just MessageBox in C < 1288373314 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the import libraries do name-mangling < 1288373320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: seriously? Urgh. < 1288373345 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there might be some advantage to that, although it's more likely simply that, if you're familiar with viruses, you're familiar with asm, and you code in what you're familiar with :) < 1288373365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: There is an advantage. It has the lowest memory and CPU usage of all the even vaguely-known Windows virus scanners. < 1288373371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And scans the quickest. < 1288373376 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I meant besides the *obvious* advantages :) < 1288373379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It also has basically the best coverage, but that's a separate issue.) < 1288373380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1288373557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, a bit tricky to port to 64-bit windows though < 1288373565 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it probably uses kernel drivers anyway < 1288373660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Urgh, what have you done? I have to install Plan 9 now. < 1288373662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I? No. < 1288373665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will resist. < 1288374039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:13:14 Ohhey, ehird is gone? < 1288374039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:13:17 Didn't even notice that. < 1288374039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:14:54 That's actually a bit distressing. He's been more or less constantly present for a long time. < 1288374043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BET YOU REGRET SAYING THAT NOW < 1288374110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: There's also that one Windows screen saver package that's I think pure asm. < 1288374131 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe that was the win3.1 days, though.) < 1288374191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:33:51 The thing with the ".seen" command was apparently a bot nicknamed "Endeavour", and I don't remember it at all; and it's been here pretty much only in 2008-04, and twice in 2009-01. < 1288374192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY BOT < 1288374198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Logreading from February? WHY NOT) < 1288374439 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1288374554 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, you have to install NetBSD now. And write a driver for your network card! < 1288374576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I could try the Jibbed NetBSD LiveCD; if networking works there, I might give it a go. < 1288374589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: But seriously, pkgsrc? Okay, I'll make a deal with you. I'll do it if I can get apt to work. < 1288374599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Debian/kFreeBSD packages better work on NetBSD!) < 1288374636 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1288374786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Do you accept these terms? :P < 1288375091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, the latest NetBSD removed the message line from cpressey's IRC client due to security vulnerabilities. < 1288375157 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-173-197-55.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288375165 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> cpressey: But seriously, pkgsrc? Okay, I'll make a deal with you. I'll do it if I can get apt to work. < 1288375176 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be Kitten, wouldn't it? So yeah! < 1288375183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Kitten use apt? Ahahahaha no. < 1288375191 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *closer* to Kitten. < 1288375204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine; I'll download. < 1288375236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: So, how likely is it for an arbitrary FreeBSD binary to run on NetBSD? < 1288375260 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's unlikely. < 1288375271 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what the simplest possible useful package manager is? < 1288375273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That... but whyyy < 1288375279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Slackware's? < 1288375287 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're only ABI compatible with older versions of themselves on a good day. Each other? < 1288375299 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not aware of how that one works < 1288375299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It complains if you don't have the dependencies (I think), it has install scripts, and it installs files. < 1288375302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I think it can even uninstall. < 1288375309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It does *not* handle dependencies itself, however. < 1288375315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: And It Never Will. < 1288375321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no wait < 1288375324 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, heh, k*Free*BSD you said. < 1288375326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: it doesn't tell you if dependencies are missing < 1288375333 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I... good luck. < 1288375339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: :) < 1288375353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Failing that I could try building stuff from source. Or make it /kLinux and rely on the compatibility! < 1288375364 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There are binary pkgsrc packages, I'm sure you realize this so why am I saying it? ok < 1288375367 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, even autotools does uninstall nowadays < 1288375381 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "kLinux" doesn't really make sense, Linux /is/ a kernel < 1288375383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: So all it is is a compressed tarball with an install/ directory containing slack-desc, which is a description, and doinst.sh, which runs commands to install it after the tarball is unpacked. < 1288375389 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1288375393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Debian's naming system for non-Linux releases is Debian/kKernel. < 1288375395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except not for HURD. < 1288375400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Debian GNU/Hurd. < 1288375402 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HURD is also a kernel < 1288375406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's Debian/kFreeBSD. < 1288375409 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my experience, the binary pkgs are good for to bootstrap your environment to a point where you can use it to build what you need from source. < 1288375417 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, because FreeBSD is an operating system, kFreeBSD is the name used for its kernel < 1288375423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yeah, but... < 1288375427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Oh, whatever. :P < 1288375442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'm going to try all this on the Jibbed LiveCD and if it doesn't work, I'm not grabbing the iso. :p < 1288375446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the installer. < 1288375448 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, if you made a Windows-based Debian, it would be Debian/NT, because NT is the name of the Windows kernel < 1288375467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh OR I could install DragonFly. < 1288375468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1288375481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: I'm not sure whether to hate you or hate you for that mental image. < 1288375488 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: LiveCD is probably a good approach. If it doesn't work -- I'm becoming happier with NetBSD, so I won't hold you to it :) < 1288375501 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it'd never happen for political reasons < 1288375505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, I'll probably keep hacking on it. < 1288375510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: It totally could though with Cygwin! < 1288375513 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I see no technical reason why you couldn't pull it off < 1288375523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: What would that be, Debian/Cygwin? < 1288375525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian/NT? < 1288375529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian/kCygwin (???) < 1288375537 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin doesn't have a kernel, it's just a translation layer < 1288375541 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows + Cygwin - Windows = FANTASTIC < 1288375544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably Debian/Cygwin, as Cygwin relies on, e.g. newlib, not glibc. < 1288375544 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Debian/Cygwin/NT, presumably < 1288375552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Cygwin *only* runs on NT (well, now it does). < 1288375562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: And if you used an older Cygwin, Debian/Cygwin would probably also run on 9x. < 1288375565 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it almost runs on WINE < 1288375566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it'd just be using Cygwin. < 1288375575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Wine is an NT implementation :) < 1288375584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT + Windows API implementation. < 1288375586 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote for Debian/Cygwin/NT, as Cygwin is more of translation layer than anything. < 1288375586 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like saying that OpenSolaris is a Linux implementation < 1288375589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT API, really, but you know what I mean. < 1288375599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: right, but if you used Cygwin 1.5, it'd run on 9x too! < 1288375616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Cygwin can run programs that call the NT kernel API, can it not? < 1288375617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1288375620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Wine can run programs that call the NT kernel API, can it not? < 1288375628 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, but you have to decide what kernel to ship, right, otherwise you could just say */Cygwin/* < 1288375629 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the bits that are implemented < 1288375638 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the kernel doesn't really have much of a direct API < 1288375638 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just */* < 1288375654 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're supposed to do everything via {user32,system32,gdi32}.dll < 1288375661 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288375664 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although not GDI nowadays as it's deprecated) < 1288375697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you wouldn't ship the kernel < 1288375703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd just come as an installer, presumably < 1288375715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either linked with Cygwin or to be run on a Cygwin installation < 1288375734 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, so in this case, only Microsoft can do that. But normally... < 1288375802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, normally you wouldn't ship anything on top of Cygwin/NT because that's fucking stupid :) < 1288375812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian/Cygwin though, that would be sweet. < 1288375832 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, can you build a program that uses both the POSIX and NT kernel APIs, then run it on Cygwin? < 1288375836 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can. < 1288375841 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you can indeed < 1288375857 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include #include < 1288375870 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to using mingw if you want to talk directly to Windows, but there is no requirement to do that. < 1288375894 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can also use the APIs in a way that they interfere with each other! < 1288375914 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also pretty sure, on the basis of odds, someone has done this already! < 1288375956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Okay, I have Jibbed. < 1288375961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to put it onto this USB stick. < 1288375997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: how did you get netbsd running from a usb stick again? Or did you? < 1288376039 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never did. < 1288376049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i... not reassuring, I have no optical drive < 1288376054 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get my CD burner working before I got to that point. < 1288376061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288376068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What's the command to bring the network up, just so I know? < 1288376076 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unetbootin is... highly magical, sadly < 1288376080 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not highly < 1288376085 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but enough to be annoying < 1288376103 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should just contain some kind of ISO-knowing layer < 1288376108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: What's the command to bring the network up, just so I know? < 1288376109 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably too idealistic < 1288376113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1288376149 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... I didn't need one, actually. Once I disabled ACPI, it saw my nic, I ran dhclient, all was fine. < 1288376186 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in theory it's like "ifconfig up rl0" or whatever < 1288376189 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man ifconfig < 1288376194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: dhclient ok. < 1288376223 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you generally don't need to bring the network up manually unless you brought it down manually < 1288376224 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I set the rc.conf variable which makes it run dhclient for you then rebooted, but yes. < 1288376347 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to propose employing "or whatever" as the standard coda for all technical explanations. < 1288376377 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Therefore by structural induction no list is equal to its own tail or whatever" < 1288376417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1288376485 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-239-157.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288376485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: god this better work < 1288376489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on jibbed < 1288376489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1288376500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's copying /dev/foo files to a FAT-32 filesystem, not reassuring < 1288376601 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reassuring, no. entertaining, yes. < 1288376609 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is jibbed doing this? < 1288376661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: unetbootin is doing this to jibbed < 1288376676 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey... I might be able to build a NetBSD "live USB stick" and ship the image of it to you somehow < 1288376682 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, this weekend, not right now < 1288376704 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can build these things from under NetBSD, apparently; it;s the cross-building which is guh < 1288376715 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1288376718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "stand/usr.zfs" I like zfs. < 1288376721 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how one would best extract/install the image, though < 1288376737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ship the image... you mean, like, uploading it to filebin.ca? :P < 1288376751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: if you make the stick, then just dd if=stick of=foo, upload foo, and i can do the reverse obviously < 1288376757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: although it better be under 4 gigs. < 1288376775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: otoh, if you want to physically send a usb stick you prepared, that would be super-awesome and be sure to autograph it X-P < 1288376785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be valuable one day! When you're DEAD! < 1288376794 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1288376819 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll consider it. Meanwhile, dd+filebin.ca seems fine. < 1288376819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hides secret plans to murder cpressey and profit from the aftermath
< 1288376835 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, heck, I have a website, < 1288376844 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can bz2 up the image and upload it there < 1288376866 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR ALL COMERS < 1288376885 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE RIGHT? because I know I'm not unique < 1288376892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ok, I am unique in some sense < 1288376902 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not in the likes-to-build-things-that-boot-things sense < 1288376914 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know how rare I am in that sense < 1288376918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it probably has been done but i couldn't find it < 1288376928 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so, if you like ZFS, do you hate the GPL for making it impossible to add it to Linux? < 1288376941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You already know I dislike the GPL. < 1288376957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course the CDDL is fucked up too, and the fact that ZFS is now in Oracle's clutches is not good. < 1288376960 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but does that make you really HATE it? < 1288376973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I am too tired to be angry at anything. < 1288376987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What is it with filesystems being OS-specific? < 1288376998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, shock! Horror! < 1288377010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Is it so hard to write a bunch of portable code to handle the actual FS tasks and then have small OS-specific patches of code to hook this into their filesystem layers? < 1288377014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I mean, come on. < 1288377015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as for the latter, I suspect NIH. < 1288377029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't mean "why are new filesystems made for new OSes?". < 1288377044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I mean "why are new filesystems almost always OS-specific, even open-source ones?". < 1288377061 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS architecture? I don't know. < 1288377083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "Installing syslinux to /dev/sdb1 - 33%". Sure hope it unfreezes. < 1288377120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it did. < 1288377126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Wish me luck! < 1288377133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288377142 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with computers being aware of filesystems? Seems like it would be useful to have disks that just know what you mean when you say /var/foo/bar.log. < 1288377212 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> Phantom_Hoover: I mean "why are new filesystems almost always OS-specific, even open-source ones?". < 1288377230 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole world is Linux. < 1288377286 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288377287 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably licensing issues < 1288377292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: OMG IT COMPLETELY WORKED (not) < 1288377321 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did your internal speaker go BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP when it tried to boot from something completely not bootable from? < 1288377330 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you gots to love it when that happens < 1288377331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: nope, it got to the unetbootin menu < 1288377336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it didn't recognise the netbsd kernel < 1288377337 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what were you trying to boot from? < 1288377343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: a usb stick of a netbsd livecd called jibbed < 1288377422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hmm < 1288377428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so is /boot the bootloader and /netbsd the kernel? < 1288377465 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sounds right < 1288377480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: don't suppose either of them are multiboot-enabled? :) < 1288377494 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i was wrong: bsd on a usb stick => obscure, it looks like. < 1288377513 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know what that means so NO OF COURSE THEY ARE NOT MULTI_BOOT ENABLED WHAT? < 1288377529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i guess multiboot is too gnu eh? :) < 1288377530 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should find out what that means < 1288377543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Multiboot Specification is an open standard originally created in 1995 and developed by the Free Software Foundation. The specification describes a method of loading various multiboot kernels using a single compliant boot loader. GNU Hurd, VMware, Xen, and L4 microkernels all need to be booted using this method. GNU GRUB is the reference implementation used in the GNU operating system. < 1288377573 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1288377591 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No probably not. < 1288377622 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good grief, why do people not standardize where it counts? < 1288377641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Multiboot is actually pretty damn nice. < 1288377644 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not like booting is something where you have a strategic advantage over the competition. < 1288377649 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288377660 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I was thinking it's a good concept at the very least < 1288377686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You can get a kernel booting with like 20 lines of trivial asm (you don't even need to know asm) and a C function. < 1288377689 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288377697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and a linker script. < 1288377698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://wiki.osdev.org/Bare_bones#loader.s < 1288377716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Basically you have a multiboot header, then you just set up the stack, push the stuff multiboot gives you as C arguments, and call your kernel. < 1288377752 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes this seems like something silly to not have your kernel support. < 1288377761 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1288377846 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoi. < 1288377890 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... one way to make a USB stick bootable is to give it a FAT filesystem with a bootblock. < 1288377917 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having NetBSD run off of a FAT filesystem... well, it might be possible. Grand hack, though, i'd think/ < 1288377925 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* < 1288378107 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess as long as it has a bootblock, it doesn't matter what kind of filesystem it has though right? < 1288378109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: aha, /bootxx_cd9660 works in unetbootin < 1288378112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(qemu /dev/sdb1 ftw) < 1288378116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but it does nothing :-D < 1288378152 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can get a FFS2 FS + boot block on a USB stick, that should be enough to start. < 1288378172 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1288378194 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait wait I found it again http://www.bsdnexus.com/NetBSD_onastick/install_guide.php < 1288378196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's easy. < 1288378200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: /dev/foo can be fdisk'd. < 1288378206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You can partition it just like a hard drive. < 1288378216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The *hard part* is getting the OS to read from the USB stick as /. < 1288378281 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know dfly (heh) had a magic "this is the partition you booted from" partition identifier, inherited from freebsd < 1288378288 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere in its boot guts < 1288378290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, I've seen that guide. < 1288378306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Problem is, do those generated CDs have the installer on? < 1288378325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Really Jibbed would be the nicest as I can check that X works and everything before committing... < 1288378329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. < 1288378337 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. The installer is just another program though, basically, so it can't be too hard, though you might have to start it manually. < 1288378372 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Lack of optical drive sucks. < 1288378375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm. < 1288378382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Hey, don't knock it. This laptop is awesome. < 1288378393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Battery lasts ages, ridiculously lightweight, nice screen... < 1288378467 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :netbook? < 1288378498 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optical drive = useless paperweight most of the time. external is better. < 1288378502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Nope, laptop. < 1288378512 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind? < 1288378517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toshiba T150 or something. < 1288378527 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good line < 1288378534 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :config netbsd root on sd0a type ffs <-- THAT is how it knows your stick is / :) < 1288378539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my qualms with it. < 1288378540 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got a clit mouse yeah? < 1288378544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1288378548 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1288378550 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad < 1288378553 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are awesome < 1288378562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TrackPoints are usually rubbish. < 1288378565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the IBM ones are any good. < 1288378576 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, those are the ones i have experience with < 1288378582 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lenovo makes awesome laptops < 1288378586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they don't. < 1288378587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM did. < 1288378591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lenovo makes terrible laptops. < 1288378597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :model name : Genuine Intel(R) CPU U4100 @ 1.30GHz < 1288378598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu MHz : 1200.000 < 1288378600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel the horsepower. < 1288378613 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1288378619 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bad for not keeping up to the date < 1288378624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ? < 1288378626 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last one i tried was when ibm=lenovo < 1288378630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1288378633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM never = Lenovo. < 1288378638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lenovo bought the ThinkPad brand from IBM. < 1288378653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They then proceeded to make laptops far worse than their IBM predecessors. < 1288378657 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used one that was branded with both i thought < 1288378658 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1288378665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, IBM let them put the IBM logo on their laptops. < 1288378670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they don't care about their reputation. < 1288378682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lenovos are still a lot better than a lot of the crap out there, but I'd take an older IBM ThinkPad any day.) < 1288378685 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the one i tried didn't suck < 1288378692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think they've changed the TrackPoints though.) < 1288378706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, uh, the T60 didn't suck. < 1288378714 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, i think that's the one i used < 1288378731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ...apart from the widescreen version. < 1288378735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sucked by virtue of being widescreen. < 1288378744 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it was a tablet tho iirc < 1288378762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, they made a tablet out of it. < 1288378781 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all made (for some values of "made") by Quanta anyways. ("Quanta Computer Incorporated -- largest manufacturer of notebook computers in the world -- customers include Acer, Alienware, Apple Inc., Cisco, Compaq, Dell, Fujitsu, Gateway, Gericom, Hewlett-Packard, Lenovo, Maxdata, MPC, Sharp Corporation, Siemens AG, Sony, Sun Microsystems, and Toshiba --") < 1288378807 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asus is conspicuously missing from that list < 1288378822 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember back when Asus made good laptops/netbooks too < 1288378833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used an Eee PC. I hate its guts. < 1288378845 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :understandable. < 1288378856 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love mine. < 1288378857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computer with an unusable keyboard and a tiny screen is far inferior to a computer without a keyboard and with a larger screen (i.e., a tablet of some kind). < 1288378897 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got used to the keyboard, and the screen is big enough if you configure things properly to save screen real estate < 1288378907 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if your eyes don't suck < 1288378930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, that's so worth the less than a kilogram difference from this, my only and main computer. < 1288378937 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trade-off for lightweight/tiny size/superlong battery is totally worth it < 1288378955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used the Eee PC. Its battery is not superlong. Mine is competitive with it. < 1288378969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also about as lightweight; the weight is distributed across a larger size, so it feels only slightly heavier. < 1288378976 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours must also be hueg < 1288378979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'll take the 13" screen and full-sized keyboard, thanks. < 1288378982 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1288378986 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too hueg < 1288378993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can actually get shit done on it, rather than just visit stupid webpages and use a horizontal scrollbar every two seconds. < 1288379003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be ZOMG KAWAII but it's an actually useful computer. < 1288379004 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asus might manufacture their own; they're a Taiwanese firm too, like Quanta. (And of course it's not so clear-cut like that: HP for example has their notebooks built -- well, in 2004-2005, anyway -- by Foxconn, Compal, Inventec, Arima, Quanta and Wistron.) < 1288379030 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the name "eee". < 1288379063 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like it's squealing < 1288379078 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Eeee, you have a PC?!" < 1288379090 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eee is my main computer now also. i'm using it right now with an external monitor, keyboard, and mouse (desktop mode for me). it's productive in this mode as any computer. in netbook mode, portability is the prime and only concern, and it has that too. < 1288379101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha. < 1288379107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no comment but hahahaha < 1288379148 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i eventually hope to get my desktop working again as a main computer for the added speed and memory and stuff, but for now i have to do it this way < 1288379204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend has what I think is an Aspire One, and the SSD is pretty horribly slow; the whole machine goes all io-wait-unusable (might be partly a driver/config/whatever problem too) whenever something disk-intensive is happening. < 1288379263 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying < 1288379278 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 my SSDs. blazing fast. < 1288379353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ata2.00: ATA-0: ELITE PRO CF CARD 16GB, Ver2.19K, max UDMA/100 <-- that is also not an especially fast "disk" that I have here. < 1288379377 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1288379390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also called the poor man's SSD. < 1288379398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, that is a common problem with SSDs, related not to disk throughput but random access and shit. < 1288379401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's complicated. < 1288379418 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use my 32g SD as a "hard drive extension" for non-executable files and stuff i want to be readily available should my computer fail. < 1288379490 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use it for everyday stuff tho cuz it has a bad habit of becoming read-only without any provocation < 1288379498 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any help with that issue would be appreciated... < 1288379590 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/438379 ? < 1288379654 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i think the SD is FAT32 < 1288379701 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also it happens without ever suspending < 1288379714 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just randomly it seems < 1288379849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems my machine is actually a T130 < 1288379874 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288379877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Toshiba is now recalling thousands of T130 series laptops owing to overheating concerns, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission announced Thursday" < 1288379880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Thursday." < 1288380005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, didn't ais523_ one melt or something? < 1288380017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, he has one. No idea about it melting :P < 1288380023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1288380025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has the smaller model < 1288380027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 inch one < 1288380030 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it was the power supply that caught fire due to a short circuit < 1288380038 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the laptop itself < 1288380046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, you said it smelled molten plastic iirc? < 1288380055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my UUID is 601BF387-1BAE-DE11-AD86-00269E431DF4 < 1288380058 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, it was an insulated wire that shorted... < 1288380064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1288380066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, ah < 1288380066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop's uuid < 1288380142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ qemu-system-x86_64 -m 512 -fda /home/elliott/keep/2010-10/M64-095C/M64-095C.IMG < 1288380143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MENUETOS WOO < 1288380182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure is slow in qemu though. < 1288380190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 32-bit one might go faster. < 1288380291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sort of. < 1288380357 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288380710 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :menuwhat < 1288380750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what < 1288380762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1288380774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: menuetos, it's this os programmed entirely in x86 and x86-64 assembly < 1288380778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both 32-bit and 64-bit versions < 1288380782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it even has a web browser < 1288380790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb support < 1288380795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paint program < 1288380804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :window transparency and preview (like this: http://www.menuetos.net/086c.png) < 1288380808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMP < 1288380809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quake < 1288380810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doom < 1288380813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSBox < 1288380814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ScummVM < 1288380832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVD/MP3/Digital TV player (!) costs because of liecnsing concerns but still < 1288380834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.menuetos.net/ < 1288380835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's insane < 1288380847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: also, has FASM port < 1288380896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait how did Vorpal's ignore disappear? < 1288380931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1288380934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much work to add it back in < 1288380977 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181129175.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1288381038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, that one is broken too? < 1288381041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe xchat doesn't ignore /joins < 1288381080 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat does have some major lameness about it i hear < 1288381090 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot say for certain as i have not tried it < 1288381095 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here used weechat? < 1288381104 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes i have < 1288381134 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: objective comparison to irssi possible? < 1288381138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran it for 15 minutes before it segfaulted. < 1288381162 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: objective? not by me, certainly < 1288381186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked not too different from irssi, actually. Architecture-wise maybe more modularistic, maybe not. < 1288381201 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing i have heard about it was extremely biased towards it < 1288381215 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses is but one of its uis < 1288381223 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say it was saner, mroe easily configured, and better laid out than irssi < 1288381229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UI-wise there's some vertical window-splitting action in the curses UI if you want user/channel lists. < 1288381234 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also somethign about python being better than perl < 1288381245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it has a gtk ui? < 1288381247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intriguing < 1288381249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe not < 1288381287 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so you are in favor? < 1288381294 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/set there says "344 configuration options found"; and it doesn't really look at least much simpler. < 1288381324 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and some /help texts were pretty incomplete. < 1288381372 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it worked for me. irssi works for me. i do not have strong feelings about irc clients. < 1288381398 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll just assume "they're about the same" and go on with my life < 1288381430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sites.google.com/site/shaunsite/matrix-wmii.png what i hate about arch users, #17 < 1288381441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONOSPACED GREEN ON BLACK MEANS IT'S EXPERT < 1288381448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESPECIALLY IF THE FONTS ARE TINY < 1288381454 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it has that funky "show a line below of which are all the new messages in this window since you last looked at it" thing. (I'm sure someone's scripted that in irssi too, though.) < 1288381456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288381463 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would do that < 1288381468 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me! < 1288381469 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm using said script in fact < 1288381480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: do what? < 1288381483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: xchat does that but i disabled it, it's irritating < 1288381504 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have that screen, in a non-contrived, day-to-day setup < 1288381512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: right < 1288381525 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've thought it useful every now and then, but for some reason the xchat implementation seems to behave inconstantly every now and then. < 1288381532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the matrix too, i mean come on < 1288381535 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every now and then, every now and then. < 1288381548 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that little line that connects commands to the next line to set off the commands from their output is a nice deal though. i'd like to have that in my term... < 1288381581 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(searching back through output for the place where the output began is annoying, especially when you weren't expecting so much output) < 1288381598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i should TOTALLY WRITE MY OWN WM < 1288381600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(worst idea ever) < 1288381616 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i blast out a color bar above my prompt to help with that < 1288381633 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. yes it is. < 1288381647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but it would be a good wm. < 1288381669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why not just use fvwm95? It looks just like Windows 95, you'd feel like at home! < 1288381691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ouch :) < 1288381722 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if weechat has nicks aligned by default, i dun want. i don't get thinking that's useful. < 1288381729 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: how do you do that? < 1288381729 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My First Linux(tm), the (broken) Slackware 3.2 that came with a local PC magazine, had fvwm95 in it. < 1288381775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nicks are right-justified by default, yes. < 1288381782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first Linux was, uh, PCLinuxOS. < 1288381788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't support my winmodem so I gave up on it. < 1288381808 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I set PS1 to spit out VT100 background-colour-changing codes and print out a bunch of hyphens before the rest of the prompt. < 1288381808 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, given the nick alignment and the user list and the "new messages" line, it sort-of looks like midway between xchat and irssi. < 1288381910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what you need is a terminal that you can set to hold the scrolling :) < 1288381911 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i use high energy verbs like "blast" and "spit" to describe the process, to make it sound really exciting! < 1288381933 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: when the output is typically many pages, i don't see how that would help < 1288381933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It annihilates the background color and fuses some hyphens in. < 1288381949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: disable scrolling with a keypress, send the command off < 1288381954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read through it starting at the prompt < 1288381956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get to the bottom < 1288381958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re-enable scrolling < 1288381964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly PAGER=cat becomes worthwhile < 1288381967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wait how did Vorpal's ignore disappear? <-- I never ignored you? < 1288381975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i ignored you though < 1288381980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I know < 1288381998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just like to point out that going via ^ul was completely un-needed ;P < 1288382004 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: random access < 1288382012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i went by ^echo after that! < 1288382020 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^moo < 1288382029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ok then, use a non-backwards terminal that actually has an understanding of this stuff and lets you do things like collapse command output < 1288382036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: no such terminals exist yet due to stupidity < 1288382043 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to ask < 1288382064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also not needed ;P < 1288382065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but i so want to write one, how surprising is that?! < 1288382314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'd like in xchat is "move to next channel with unread stuff" key, but I don't suppose it has one. < 1288382402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: what you need is a terminal that you can set to hold the scrolling :) <-- scrolllock? < 1288382408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lawl < 1288382415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking rio's text windows. < 1288382418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which do that by default < 1288382420 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1288382421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not scroll) < 1288382432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288382437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can get annoying but which is really nice for man(1) and the like < 1288382470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, annoying for normal interactive usage indeed < 1288382481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less so with the usual plan 9 model of things though :) < 1288382534 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc12-sgyl29-2-0-cust185.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288382545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true < 1288382546 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, what is it with my GPU? < 1288382556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It hates your guts. < 1288382575 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hangs irreparably whenever I ask it to do anything more intensive than render a cube. < 1288382583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it is starting to feel a urge to pine for the fjords < 1288382596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> cpressey: ok then, use a non-backwards terminal that actually has an understanding of this stuff and lets you do things like collapse command output < 1288382603 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some value of this statement, emacs probably can do this\ < 1288382611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hah < 1288382611 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\\\\\ hi i like backslashes \\\\\ < 1288382616 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, most annnoyingly, it only started doing this when I upgraded to either Karmic or Lucid. < 1288382618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: for some value of any statement emacs can probably do it < 1288382627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what gpu < 1288382632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gpu? < 1288382654 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs can do anything lisp hooked up to a pty can do < 1288382658 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, some crappy Intel Advanced Core Blatant Lies onboard thing. < 1288382662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: are you crazy enough to give me an ssh account on your machine so I can see if apt will work on NetBSD? < 1288382664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lol) < 1288382670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: also, can I have a million pounds? < 1288382681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: while I'm at it, i require your unborn child < 1288382682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A million pounds of flax. < 1288382685 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am much, much too crazy to do that. < 1288382690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you, ais523_, I require your brain. < 1288382691 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not through me, and you can have the child. < 1288382709 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need to wait a while before I have one handy. < 1288382717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone else use NetBSD?!?!!?!?!?!!!? < 1288382732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: NETBSD DOESN'T EVEN WORK IN QEMU DUDE ;_; < 1288382741 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Are you using the GPU-driven desktop magical motion effects? < 1288382757 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turned them off, and it still threw a tantrum. < 1288382761 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but I need it too... < 1288382771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Not as much as I do! < 1288382793 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.netbsd.org/ports/emulators.html#setup < 1288382798 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have spoken. < 1288382802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can run FGFS tolerably, but above that and it's screwed. < 1288382805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: network doesn't work < 1288382811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and *yes* i tried < 1288382824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love how bochs is their first suggested emulator < 1288382841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it screws my X server with it, so I have to reboot. < 1288382851 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder why they do not test the amiga port on uae < 1288382854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what if i paid you a bajillion dollars and you did it in the chroot < 1288382877 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: look, if you're so desperate, i can try, for kicks, this weekend, but uh, why do you think it would work? < 1288382891 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION might make a clang-compiled FreeBSD VM
< 1288382918 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, due to my Internets coming from the phone company, it is probably not possible to ssh into my machine by mortal means < 1288382937 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: do you have an IP? < 1288382946 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-173-206-149.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288382952 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes. It starts with 192.168. < 1288382972 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: your /ISP/ actually gives you one of those? < 1288382974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: do you have a router? < 1288382980 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you just have a router? < 1288382988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: cpressey was obviously joking < 1288383003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: even the shittiest routers have port forwarding configs and from there it's just putting in the ssh port < 1288383025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: anyway, i think it would work because even if kFreeBSD packages don't work, the Linux ones might < 1288383026 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, back in dialup days giving private-range IPs to clients wasn't especially special. < 1288383034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and failing that, apt can do things from source, too :) < 1288383047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, fritzthecat was in here yesterday, and now Fritz the Cat is wikipedia featured article < 1288383049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof of telepathie < 1288383080 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least our SLIP link wasn't very public-internets-connected back then. The later PPP connections probably were. < 1288383131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1288383174 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can't get this weeweechat to crash again, how annoying. I may actually have to give it the old college try. (What does that even mean?) < 1288383174 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not, in fact, have a router; just a DSL modem. < 1288383241 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know what linux compat is like on net; on free it was OK, but iffy. building from source is, of course, more manly. < 1288383264 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's an external, ethernet-connected DSL modem, it might essentially be a router with one LAN port and one WAN port; that's what my zyxel box is. < 1288383304 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does bridge mode, but it also does "I take your internet-visible IP and provide DHCP nonsense to your computer" thing, and probably forwards ports too. < 1288383362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Try http://192.168.1.1/. < 1288383365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might just get something. < 1288383368 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, where have all the PCI ADSL cards gone? I haven't seen anyone using one of those in (probably) years. < 1288383507 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: iirc I get my cable modem's configuration page. I've had to go in there to reset the password several times, with the phone company's help, because it keeps "forgetting" it. < 1288383527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It may well have port forwarding. < 1288383547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh hell, you know what? Got any ports open? I'll see if I can get them. < 1288383575 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks but no I'm pretty sure I don't. < 1288383575 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288383620 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288383643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is TOO TUNED-IN to my attempts to root his box < 1288383718 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ISDN! Where did that go? In Germany you could -- for a small amount of time -- get a 16 kbps Internet connection with no phone charges, because only the use of the 64 kbps data ("B") channels was charged, and you could keep the 16kbps signaling channel ("D") open and send data over that. < 1288383764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288383771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All ISDN4Linux documentation was also only in German; that's one ISDNy country. < 1288384022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: CONVINCE ME NOT TO WRITE MY OWN BOOTLOADER < 1288384049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay: you shouldn't write a bootloader, because you'd end up with an AWESOME one, and no-one wants that. < 1288384058 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: the above may not be true.) < 1288384066 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Any parts of it, in fact.) < 1288384085 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288384087 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288384110 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288384201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OKAY I TOTALLY WILL < 1288384205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ASSEMBLER SHOULD I USE TO ADD TO THE AWESOME < 1288384218 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YakAsm < 1288384231 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the one that zzo38 uses < 1288384233 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way < 1288384260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or HLA, it's fr-fr-freaky. < 1288384299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Shouldn't that be f-f-freaky? < 1288384406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's... 386ASM or something, zzo's. < 1288384414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He wrote it. Naturally. < 1288384440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: HLA is indeed freaky though. < 1288384457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288384478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program helloWorld; < 1288384478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include("stdlib.hhf") < 1288384478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin helloWorld; < 1288384478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : stdout.put( "Hello World" nl ); < 1288384478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end helloWorld; < 1288384481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you FEEL the assembly? < 1288384545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man < 1288384553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Grep /(rather lengthy)/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Level_Assembly#Macro_system < 1288384560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's so beautiful. < 1288384586 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288384636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288384699 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or use Shelta! < 1288384758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: okay. < 1288384767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Could that actually work? < 1288384893 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It could. Doing it in any way that wasn't just inline assembly (in DECIMAL) would incur overhead though < 1288384908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://catseye.tc/projects/shelta/lib/8086/gupi.she? < 1288384920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 8086.she. < 1288384928 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think GUPI uses the dos interrupts, so not that, but otherwise yes < 1288384928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I do want this to fit into the boot sector though. < 1288384938 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be a challenge < 1288384984 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the Shelta compiler fits in the boot sector :) The one written in x86, that is. The one written in Shelta does not. It's like 2 or 4K. < 1288385008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I was basically planning to use the BIOS to read the kernel into RAM and then jmp there. < 1288385012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely that can't be so hard? :) < 1288385017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not interested in booting other OSes, really. < 1288385022 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not hard at all < 1288385029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I wouldn't mind printing "Booting..." or something either. < 1288385040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Doesn't the FreeBSD bootloader fit into the boot sector? < 1288385044 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yeah I think Shelta might only talk BIOS interrupts; I don't remember < 1288385079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Hmm, can I rely on the BIOS to be able to read from floppies/CDs/HDs with the same interrupt? < 1288385085 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember to print "Booting..." with each character interspersed with different actions, so that your users get to diagones problems based on whether it printed "Bo" or "Boo". < 1288385086 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the terminology always confuses me... boot0 fits into the MBR. But all boot0 does is call the boot sector of the selected disk/part < 1288385098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, if the bootloader is on a given medium, it pretends that medium's a hard disk. < 1288385105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :) < 1288385106 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: depends on your hardware. but you hope for that, i believe. < 1288385125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd do it for USB drives, too. < 1288385125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1288385135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I have to do now is learn Shelta and BIOS interrupts. :P < 1288385140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: There is a dos.she. :-P < 1288385144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could write a DOS-based bootloader. < 1288385153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Official bootloader: FreeDOS with BOOTOS in the autoexec. < 1288385163 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, the shelta compiler might make some "I'm writing a .COM file" assumptions, now that I think about it < 1288385170 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so happy I gave up on amateur OS design right now. < 1288385184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Well, uh, .COM files are pretty plain :P < 1288385193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: All I'd have to do is strip the zeroes off the end. < 1288385201 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are using nasm or yasm, aren't you? < 1288385205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, and insert $55 $AA at the end. < 1288385211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Or fasm! But yes, probably. < 1288385215 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If the bootblock expects to be at 0x0100 then there should be no problem, agreed. < 1288385219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: For the bootloader, though, Shelta! If I can get away with it. < 1288385234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The boot sector is loaded to 0x7C00. So yeah. < 1288385255 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I don't know if Shelta can do that. < 1288385260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fasm is some crappy DOS thing, isn't it! < 1288385290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, sort of. It also runs on Linux. And it's lower-level than NASM. < 1288385311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, MenuetOS is written in it. :P < 1288385329 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, _nothing_ is lower-level that NASM. < 1288385336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That is plain wrong. < 1288385342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, explain. < 1288385350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nasm has plenty of mnemonics that translate to various different instructions. < 1288385356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do you have any idea how many instructions "mov" actually is?) < 1288385360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Unreal mode is what I wanted for my DOS! < 1288385384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm totally going to write my OS in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Management_Mode < 1288385400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, that. < 1288385439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo How slow am I today? < 1288385445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FASM is a low-level assembler. It does not support as many high-level statements as MASM or TASM." Straight from the mouth of Wikipedia! < 1288385465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MASM and TASM are very high-level, though. < 1288385480 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TASM is very craziness < 1288385499 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Printable boot block! < 1288385503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All kinds of calling convention / function-epilogue/prologue things they do, unless I misremember. Optionally, of course. < 1288385510 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very slow ... < 1288385523 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|how slow am I today? < 1288385524 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Unknown command. Type '|help' for help. < 1288385526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%c%c\n",0x55,0xAA); < 1288385536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one of NASM's design goals was to make it possible to work out what the opcode for a given line was easily. < 1288385543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it borke < 1288385544 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION begins to be concerned ...
< 1288385576 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, my machine isn't doing anything but, uh, running storkbot right now, so such amazing speed is no sign. < 1288385578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: OK, 0x55 is "U", but 0xAA is unprintable. < 1288385588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Character 170. < 1288385589 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo I'm not slow at all. < 1288385589 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not slow at all. I'm not slow at all. < 1288385595 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How slow am I today? < 1288385617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's 170 in CP437? < 1288385634 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: Very. < 1288385649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬. < 1288385650 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬, apparently. < 1288385652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'd be U¬ < 1288385655 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, too slow. < 1288385661 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You not", not too bad. < 1288385666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: So, not quite possible in the strictest sense, but maybe close... < 1288385669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean: < 1288385679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use ais523's auto-uudecoding thing, replace print with jmp. < 1288385685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write teeny tiny bootloader. < 1288385686 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# dd if=/dev/zero of=test.big bs=1M count=10 conv=fdatasync < 1288385686 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 53.2281 s, 197 kB/s < 1288385687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Convert. < 1288385687 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sobs.
< 1288385688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Append U¬. < 1288385691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1288385775 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Technically speaking if this is the MBR you're talking about, with the 0x55 0xaa signature, it also should have the table of primary partitions, and one byte there (the bootable flag) can only legally be either 0x00 or 0x80. But of course that's only if you actually care. < 1288385776 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The bootloader lives in the first block of the particular partition, correct? < 1288385781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes. < 1288385783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 512 bytes etc. < 1288385799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Really? Heh. < 1288385802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Where do they go? < 1288385815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right before the signature. < 1288385816 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, isn't it the MBR that needs the 0x55 0xaa? Does each part's bootblock need that too? < 1288385823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1288385826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there's only 446 bytes for the code. < 1288385830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, can USB drives have as big a bootloader as they want? < 1288385836 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I remember that bit, yeah. < 1288385842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just by... having shit at the start? No? < 1288385844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1288385852 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1288385864 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIOS probably pretends they're a floppy, to start < 1288385870 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/, to start// < 1288385874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, HD, I think. < 1288385876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or CD. < 1288385885 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1288385890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then, floppy bootsectors. < 1288385892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are they like? < 1288385899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's pretend I don't care about disks right now. :P < 1288385921 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD boot-up is completely freaky too: you can put disk images and it does some kind of magical floppy emulation, but it's also possible to boot without. < 1288385950 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :El Torito! < 1288385965 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, I think floppy bootsectors are just like HD bootsectors. I could be wrong. < 1288385990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best bet: download one and examine it with a hex editor. < 1288385996 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/one/a floppy image/ < 1288386038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Right, but I don't need to care about the partition table, yeah? < 1288386055 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some info in tables here: http://www.nu2.nu/mkbt/ < 1288386124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay infotables. < 1288386124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to care about the partition table anyway if you just put your boot loader to the start of a partition and rely on the "default" MBR code to chainload the first active partition; but that might not be quite what you want. < 1288386137 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR MBR and bootsector are very similar (MBR evolved from the floppy format, just adding the partition table.) < 1288386139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah. < 1288386149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, then, assemblers! < 1288386206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Should I write it in... SP\ASM?! < 1288386208 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so going to fuck up my machine this weekend playing with this shit. Note to self: install bochs and do it there instead < 1288386215 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YAR YES YOU SHOULD < 1288386224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The special things (parameter blocks and such) in that floppy boot sector table are FAT-specific and could in theory be ignored. (That's why there's the three bytes for jump at the start.) < 1288386235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: LOL NO < 1288386243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Also, YOU CAN'T MESS IT UP I NEED TO GET APT WORKING < 1288386244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1288386246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srs bzns < 1288386249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, bochs is hell. < 1288386270 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bochs, qemu, whatever < 1288386297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bochs is more useful for osdev but hell to configure < 1288386383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just FYI, although < 1288386384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ python -c "print ''.join(chr(x) for x in xrange(256))" | ndisasm - < 1288386386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives fun output < 1288386388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does nothing as a .COM < 1288386395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for lock up the system < 1288386400 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to ask my java professor a question via email. Was I wrong to also ask which compiler he used, so that I wouldn't hand in something that wouldn't compile on his end? < 1288386408 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Did you see how well qemu-system-sparc booted the latest OpenBSD for me? http://zem.fi/~fis/sparc-3.png (As sparc-4.png shows, OpenBSD 3.5, which I have in my basement sparc, worked a whole lot better.) < 1288386411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: Uhh... no? < 1288386508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor does the reverse, fyi < 1288386524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Maybe I WILL write it in HLA. < 1288386547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'm not seeing any COM-specificity in sheltas.she. < 1288386838 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's possible there's not. How do you set the ORG then though? < 1288386864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Do you need to? < 1288386905 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise how do the jump instructions know where the first instruction is? I don't think I was so clever as to use indirect addressing allwhere < 1288386934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it has to be mentioned that i can't read sheltas.she :) < 1288386937 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think it assumes the first instruction is at 0x0100 < 1288386953 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: try reading the nasm version < 1288386962 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, don't < 1288386963 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use HLA! < 1288387039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: gotta say, nasm or something is looking appealing :) < 1288387059 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ask any long-time assembly programmer about HLA and they'll probably tell you that it's a terrible assembler." < 1288387072 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read the rest of the article yet < 1288387106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, the only instance of 100 in shelta86.s is in the first org statement, fwiw :P < 1288387116 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh damn! Terse! < 1288387120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Don't skip over the "You should be aware that, as an author of one of the assemblers I am discussing here (HLA), there is no way that this discussion is going to be unbiased" part. < 1288387133 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Still, it's reasonably fair.) < 1288387137 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Use Terse! < 1288387143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: lawl < 1288387152 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was, in fact, the x86 assembler comparison article I was referring to few days ago.) < 1288387167 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so here i am randomly googling for the phrase "terrible assembler" and yeah < 1288387176 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :serendip < 1288387219 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, I don't know if I am accurately recalling what Terse is, but if I am, BOY HOWDY. < 1288387257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://www.terse.com/howdoes.htm < 1288387258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terse < 1288387262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : eax - 10 ? =={ eax = 1; },{ eax = 0; }; < 1288387268 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Greatest Advance < 1288387269 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Machine Control < 1288387270 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 40 Years!" < 1288387271 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1288387285 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'+' is now an imperative action < 1288387314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey: Did you see how well qemu-system-sparc booted the latest OpenBSD for me? http://zem.fi/~fis/sparc-3.png (As sparc-4.png shows, OpenBSD 3.5, which I have in my basement sparc, worked a whole lot better.) <-- both look strange? < 1288387337 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New < 1288387337 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Natural Language < 1288387337 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works The Way < 1288387338 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Already Think" < 1288387359 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, i missed when you said that < 1288387395 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They start to look just fine as soon as the lower-level boot messages have scrolled away, leaving just the black-on-white actual framebuffer console in place. (Well, except that sparc-3.png isn't going anywhere.) < 1288387402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Look for the terse Optomized Performance (TOP) logo (pictured below) on the software products you buy." < 1288387405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.terse.com/pics/topyello.gif < 1288387405 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that good or bad? i assume bad. < 1288387406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPTOMISED < 1288387410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*OPTOMIZED < 1288387427 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it a joke? < 1288387436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1288387446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how wtf < 1288387453 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the price is very reasonable for such an advanced piece of technology! < 1288387463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I would think "ttttttttttttttt tcx0: ... using wskbd0data fault: pc=0xfdd" is quite a giveaway. < 1288387466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the price of SPELLING < 1288387466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The word OPTOMIZED, the name TERSE, and the TERSE logo are Trademarks of Jim Neil. " < 1288387469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it says that < 1288387474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[op-to-mize vt [Gk optos + ISV -mize] : to make as aesthetically perfect, effective, or functional to the eye as possible.]] < 1288387475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1288387479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears to be... a neologism? < 1288387495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288387496 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he trademarked it! < 1288387539 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I can never tell with OpenBSD! < 1288387545 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything looks like an error anyway < 1288387553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1288387556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A complaint I've heard once or twice is that HLA does not support segments, 16-bit addressing modes, and you can't write DOS programs with it. These are valid complaints. If you need to do all of these things, HLA is not the language for you. HLA was designed exclusively for use with flat-model 32-bit operating systems. I make no apologies for that design decision." < 1288387564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fizzie: I can never tell with OpenBSD! everything looks like an error anyway < 1288387577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, were art thou? < 1288387578 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :251| fizzie: I can never tell with OpenBSD! everything looks like an error anyway < 1288387580 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288387585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : HackEgo, were art thou? < 1288387585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1288387586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond < 1288387587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :words < 1288387593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, intentionally so < 1288387598 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that are more awesome than they have any right to be: Stonehenge. < 1288387600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"were" was intentional? < 1288387606 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The song, not the henge. < 1288387608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it was a reference to a shoddy translation < 1288387612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in an old game < 1288387625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mac iirc. I think it was translated from italian < 1288387630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the name for it < 1288387634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was like, for system 7 < 1288387652 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Okay, the "installer" does look pretty inscrutable, I grant you that. And the boot messages in general tend to involve lots of hex numbers. But still! < 1288387842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Certaine mighty and unwrought stones,..upon the heads of which, others like ouerthwart peeces do beare and rest crossewise,..so as the whole frame seemeth to hang: whereof we call it Stonehenge." < 1288387916 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288387970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *"Stonehenge! Where the demons dwell / Where the banshees live and they do live well / Stonehenge! Where a man's a man / And the children dance to the pipes of Pan" < 1288388015 0 :ais523_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1288388040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You should totally make SHELTA: The Freestanding Edition. < 1288388044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: totally means not. < 1288388071 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have considered a "Shelta 2"-like project, but it would be... very different. < 1288388076 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Ac arst was þe king ybured..Wiþinne þe place of stonheng." < 1288388079 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would allow that though! < 1288388105 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I tried installing it once. It was fun. < 1288388135 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any BSD, you want to have paper and pen handy; for OpenBSD, have a calculator too. < 1288388147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what is/was shelta? < 1288388188 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, heh < 1288388189 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a sort of Forth-ish language which I designed to be bootstrapped. Then I bootstrapped it. < 1288388199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, heh nice < 1288388203 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it=the compiler < 1288388207 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be pedant < 1288388237 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh can't type easily, the hiccugh < 1288388242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiccough < 1288388391 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yeah, installing it on an SPARCstation 5, which had only SCSI disks -- and I didn't have any other SCSI-capable hardware to pre-stick anything on the disks -- and no removable storage devices was also quite an adventure. (The only supported way for netbooting is to run a reverse-ARP server in the network; it will broadcast a rarp query, take the first address it gets, and then try to fetch with TFTP from the rarp server's address the file "xxxxxxxx.SU < 1288388392 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N4C", where xxx is the assigned IP address in hex.) < 1288388417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's pretty awkward if you'd want to, say, have the TFTP server and the rarpd on different machines.) < 1288388481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And in any case... reverse-ARP? It's not even BOOTP.) < 1288388489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION really needs to get a desktop at some point.
< 1288388500 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse something that's for sure < 1288388512 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RARP is described in Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) publication RFC 903.[1] It has been rendered obsolete by the Bootstrap Protocol (BOOTP) and the modern Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP), which both support a much greater feature set than RARP." < 1288388512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible the polarity of the neutron flow < 1288388516 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*possibly < 1288388530 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the feature to, you know, tell the box where to get the boot image from. < 1288388868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i'll write it in GAS! < 1288388868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1288388887 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the OpenBSD kernel needs a bootp server to get an IP and find the root filesystem; so you need to run rarpd + tftpd for OpenBoot to get IP and the kernel, then the kernel will just ignore those -- it doesn't know how to read them -- and ask with BOOTP for another IP and a (NFS) location to use as the root. < 1288388925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will also do swap-over-NFS, unless I misremember. < 1288388962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. I'll just use nasm. < 1288388977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: swap-over-NFS. Lovely. < 1288389001 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm utterly stunned by your description of the netbooting < 1288389022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: Is the sourcecode available ? < 1288389022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: Yes, full fasm sourcecode is available to members of the DexOS Dev team. < 1288389022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: Why is it, only available to DexOS Dev team ? < 1288389022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: If you do not want to Dev for DexOS, why do you need the code. < 1288389035 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Isn't it elegant?! < 1288389041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1288389087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you boot real sunos with it, it will (at least) use the IP (and server address) it got at the boot stage with rarp, and not require the BOOTP parts. < 1288389092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is there any great difficulty in booting another OS from DOS? < 1288389107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just load your OS wherever it needs to be and jmp there, right? what about the interrupts? < 1288389130 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, loadlin does it; it's easier to escape from DOS than a real OS, at the very least. < 1288389158 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was going to suggest gas earlier but I didn't feel like getting stabbed < 1288389178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm do you just override the interrupts table like a normal boot? < 1288389199 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no shame in using nasm. just so you know. < 1288389203 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or yasm! < 1288389211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yasm made sense when nasm had a terrible license :P < 1288389261 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap-over-NFS sounds like the most insane thing ever < 1288389317 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> A: If you do not want to Dev for DexOS, why do you need the code. < 1288389322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It might be that the installer can enable a local swap partition pretty early in the process, hopefully before you end up needing much swap space. < 1288389333 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can't be trusted with it because you think Dev is a verb? < 1288389347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: *unless, surely < 1288389386 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh. not the sense i meant but that can work too < 1288389394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what did you mean then? < 1288389396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, insane to the power of AWESOME < 1288389430 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever 'A' is I need to keep them the hell away from the code, so they should give me, like, the only copy. < 1288389464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's an FAQ :P < 1288389466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q & A < 1288389469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess you knew that. < 1288389475 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. I knew that. < 1288389478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. >_> < 1288389483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hehe < 1288389513 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever is playing the role of 'A' in this little production in this little insane INSANE theatre of the mind... < 1288389561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, godot played that role (he finally arrived) < 1288389638 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now he's in deadlock waiting for himself < 1288389726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i'm totally designing my own shelta-alike (why why why) < 1288389798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: set-eax { EAX pop-to } < 1288389798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 set-eax RET < 1288389799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, indeed < 1288389800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why why why < 1288389821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because you decided to < 1288389826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyyy < 1288389836 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well that I don't know < 1288389873 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so stop doing it then < 1288389878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1288389889 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OCD then < 1288389900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that have to do with ocd? < 1288389905 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OCD in language design < 1288389909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that have to do with ocd? < 1288389931 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obsessive compulsive disorder to write weird esolangs? < 1288389948 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not knowing a good reason for why' < 1288389952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'// < 1288390040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: TELL HIM SHELTA ISN'T ESOTERIC < 1288390043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell the bad man < 1288390053 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very esoteric < 1288390057 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1288390062 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Vorpal? < 1288390108 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shelta is more like bytewise masonry than a language < 1288390149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ah < 1288390167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so we are *gasp* off topic? < 1288390231 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288390413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://awos.wilcox-tech.com/ ooh an actual AWOS site (cpressey) < 1288390414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1288390471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh it's from *that* place. < 1288390479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? < 1288390485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: awilcox's OS. < 1288390504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not familiar with it's code or such < 1288390510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i just mean the people. < 1288390520 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm? < 1288390526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i know where you know awilcox from < 1288390540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh yes, another irc network < 1288390543 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing secret there < 1288390548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Huh? I was thinking ##socialites. < 1288390554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh that too < 1288390555 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic? should we be speculating about where oerjan is? < 1288390573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lol he also contributes to http://www.j30ad.org/ < 1288390574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, waiting for oerjan < 1288390585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A play in 2 acts < 1288390586 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah hate left-margin: 0 pages < 1288390588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i can't figure out what it is < 1288390601 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and to that snowflake-OS thingy in ocaml iirc < 1288390609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, i saw that < 1288390612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I speculate a møøse-related incident. < 1288390619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mews. < 1288390621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, eh? < 1288390635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although AWOS cannot run a desktop environment, the lead developer recommends real X11 applications over a desktop environment (i.e. xfm is preferred over Konqueror or Nautilus)." < 1288390637 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, you know, they can be pretty nasty. < 1288390646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://linuxmint.com/software/pictures/screenshots/1152/Xfm.jpg xfm < 1288390650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes bit why now < 1288390653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like "real" < 1288390658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not real if they use libraries! < 1288390670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *shurg* < 1288390675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shurrrg < 1288390687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you hope that attacks on him will work against me you are utterly wrong < 1288390689 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you ever write your own OS just to have it run the monstrosity that is the X Window system? < 1288390693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not talking to you < 1288390697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just clicking around < 1288390704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1288390706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being so self-centred < 1288390713 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1288390717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: BECAUSE IT'S POSIX ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY(TM)(TM)(R)(TM) < 1288390717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you highlighted me < 1288390721 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Vorpal: oh it's from *that* place." < 1288390729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because it was relevant to you having said you knew awilcox < 1288390731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then not specifying why < 1288390732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*where < 1288390737 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1288390745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: omg i get to use the a20 line < 1288390748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: how awesome is that < 1288390755 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I knew him from another irc network before he first showed up in ##socialites < 1288390799 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: using-both-x-and-y-inputs-of-an-oscillator awesome < 1288390810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oscillator? < 1288390820 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oscilloscope < 1288390826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes, THAT awesome. < 1288390834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just looked at the license of AWOS. It seems to be BSD style < 1288390858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not apache 1 any more at least < 1288390859 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Even though it is a full-featured operating environment, AWOS is completely free and open-source. < 1288390875 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hah. It's a hobby OS as far as I can tell < 1288390875 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add quotes to that as you see fit < 1288390881 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You've seen that "Youscope" demo? < 1288390913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a lot of hobby os developers like to pretend it's something more. < 1288390915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are also idiots < 1288390934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, that's his problem < 1288390952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was in reply to < 1288390953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey, hah. It's a hobby OS as far as I can tell < 1288390957 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awilcox, What are your computer's specs? Does it have a name? < 1288390968 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not yet! < 1288390970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he calls it lappy < 1288390980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a creative name eh < 1288390989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: quick name my OS < 1288390991 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he had a mac mini? < 1288391002 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yak-MATIC < 1288391017 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It it at least in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1eNjUgaB-g -- made with a sound card and a computer, so it's a bit of a cheat, but still. < 1288391018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, awesome name < 1288391027 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it/is/ < 1288391076 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1288391092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, "youscope"? < 1288391111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, Yak-MATIC < 1288391118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1288391145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is why I didn't highlight fizzie :P < 1288391183 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seen youscope long ago < 1288391238 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, vector display right? < 1288391249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie linked it. < 1288391255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1288391269 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is the coolest thing i have seen in months < 1288391278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1288391287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: tempo -- perfect boring name for an os or perfect boring name for an os? < 1288391288 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe the vector display question was in re your OS. < 1288391301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i thought it might be, but decided to ignore that possible meaning intentionally. < 1288391335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTApvwqZ_TM Doom on an oscilloscope! ...but it's just a PC with a real monitor in there, so fuck that shit. < 1288391343 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288391354 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288391355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs moar analogue < 1288391367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: Maybe the vector display question was in re your OS. < 1288391368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1288391370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for youscope < 1288391384 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288391406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classical oscopes in x/y mode are vector displays right? < 1288391414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1288391450 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so extremely high "DPI" then so to speak < 1288391456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome, we should all use such instead < 1288391492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1288391503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you beat TEMPO??? maybe YAK-MOOSE? < 1288391537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, TIME SIGNATURE < 1288391561 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why not TempOS, the temporary OS -- aren't all OSes governmentally obligated to have "OS" in the name? (You know, like SunOS, OS-X, BeOS, MenuetOS, uh.. LinOSx, WindwOS, OSpenBSD, FrOSBSD, HOSrd, QOSNX...) < 1288391577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windwOS :D < 1288391589 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1288391593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: LOSper < 1288391600 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MicrOSoft, though -- maybe that already counts. < 1288391612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWOS-- wait. < 1288391650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, HaikOS? < 1288391698 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGI OSirix, with the Egyptian theme. < 1288391711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, XD < 1288391722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is emacs any good at intel-syntax asm? < 1288391739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *HOSku < 1288391758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, even better < 1288391766 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tolerable. < 1288391771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: with what mode? < 1288391780 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a crummy nasm-mode, I think I advertised it already. It's a bit annoyingly automatic when it comes to indentation and such though, being tweaked to my own use. < 1288391787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very good at assembler-specific syntax, in my experience. < 1288391795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How do you indent? :P < 1288391803 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it didn't handle local labels too well either... < 1288391870 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, there's stuff like when you write in a : that ends a label (at the beginning of line), it auto-adds either a tab or a newline+tab if the label is too long. < 1288391885 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there was some trickery with comments. < 1288391894 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-202-138.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288391903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But, but what about functions? You have their names on the same line? :P < 1288391964 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1288391976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I just add a newline for clarity; it auto-adds one tab of indent if the previous non-empty line had one (or was a label). < 1288392007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And strips off the indent from the last line? < 1288392024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also, are we talking real tabs here or cheap plastic imitations of tabs (i.e. spaces)? < 1288392045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually based it on someone else's mode which was even more full of automation (kept reindenting comments based on whether they had 1/2/3 comment-start-chars in front. < 1288392076 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real tabs, at least with that use-tabs setting (I forget the name) on. < 1288392082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Editors that do things not directly related to the keys I press scare me a bit, but I think I could handle that label stuff. < 1288392086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: indent-tabs-mode < 1288392090 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1288392095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, hit me up with the .el :P < 1288392124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zem.fi/~fis/nasm-mode.el unless I typoed something. < 1288392166 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But again, it wasn't really written for public consumption, so I take no responsibility if it annoys you to the point of spontaneous combustion. < 1288392202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it support SSE4.2? < 1288392217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ha ha ha. < 1288392222 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I see some SSE instructions there < 1288392230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It works! But what's the magic to associate file extensions with a certain mode again? < 1288392231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget... < 1288392232 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so stop laughing at that question < 1288392233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto-mode-alist? < 1288392240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was ha ha haing at using SSE. < 1288392251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "cvtdq2pd" "cvtdq2ps" "cvtpd2dq" "cvtpd2pi" "cvtpd2ps" "cvtph2ps" < 1288392251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "cvtpi2pd" "cvtpi2ps" "cvtps2dq" "cvtps2pd" "cvtps2ph" "cvtps2pi" < 1288392252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, 4.2. < 1288392256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, from that file ^ < 1288392261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did I ever deny that? < 1288392265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no < 1288392269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're really good at (probably unintentional) strawman arguments. < 1288392287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure; I took the instruction lists from the NASM manual, but not sure which version. < 1288392338 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just put "-*- mode: nasm -*-" in my nasm sources, since I have both .s and .asm files of different types too. But it was something like that. < 1288392362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you base it on this? http://onegeek.org/~tom/software/the_bin/nasm-mode.el < 1288392367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's an existing nasm-mode besides. < 1288392387 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, obviously an old version, since it lacks wrt. < 1288392413 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-2925108609.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1288392430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt? < 1288392465 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think I used that; can't recall what I used. < 1288392482 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xsha256 must he fairly new < 1288392501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Or maybe I just didn't notice; "rel" is there. < 1288392510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What, no instruction highlighting? < 1288392537 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for when you need addresses with respect to rip or something. < 1288392555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It does have; try closing and reopening. I think Emacs just gets confused by the huge lists. < 1288392577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop got highlighted there but only in strange circumstances. < 1288392582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Uh, and it'll work after that, right? < 1288392617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, everything has to be in a label. < 1288392664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And, uh, sometimes it just doesn't highlight. < 1288392682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it seems to be confused by editing at unpredictable times; I don't quite see how that could be my bug, since I just basically list the keywords. < 1288392708 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 6502 mode, with its lot smaller list of opcodes, works much better. :p < 1288392711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm going to use recursive make just to spite you. < 1288392721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Some regexp issue? < 1288392724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err. I never hated it that much < 1288392731 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do slightly dislike it < 1288392734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1288392736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shrug *meh* < 1288392738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I'm going to use recursive make just to spite you. < 1288392774 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Feel free to fix it; I use regexp-opt to construct the highlight regexps from those large lists. < 1288392782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nothx :P < 1288392822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hmm, is "bits 16" the default? < 1288392824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1288392829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :org 0 definitely is, though. < 1288392830 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is. < 1288392834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boot: nop < 1288392834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nop < 1288392834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nop < 1288392834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nop < 1288392838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at my bootloader. < 1288392839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah. < 1288392848 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe the default bits depends on the output format. < 1288392859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It defaults to raw, right? < 1288392907 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, "bin" as they call it. < 1288392924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And I'm thinking I should probably specify this in the .s anyway just for clarity... < 1288393008 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-4.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288393047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, er, my org stuff doesn't seem to be working < 1288393049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION debgzzz
< 1288393086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1288393128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000001 E9FCFF jmp word 0x0 < 1288393131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is definitely not what should be happening. < 1288393145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Actually, wait. < 1288393148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: REVERSE RECURSIVE MAKEFILE < 1288393169 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288393172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh just about to turn off monitor < 1288393175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wtf does that mean < 1288393180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: basically < 1288393183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the makefile in each subdirectory < 1288393188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just calls the makefile in the parent directory < 1288393196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (possibly with the directory it's in prepended to the target) < 1288393198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, interesting idea < 1288393201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: EVIL idea! < 1288393214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Actually I'm just going to have a bunch of Makefiles for each component and a single Makefile that includes them all. < 1288393216 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, awesomely evil idea < 1288393216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How boring is that? < 1288393240 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you ndisasm the bin, you need to "ndisasm -o 0x1234" to tell it where it is, otherwise it gets relative stuff (like jumps) wrong. < 1288393242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really → < 1288393253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh. Well that explains it, then. < 1288393268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO WHAT'S YOU GUYS' FAVOURITE SYNTAX FOR HEX < 1288393286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$F00, 0xF00, or F00h? I just wanna spark a religious war, is that so wrong? < 1288393355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write 0xf00 in nasm, $f00 in z80asm/ca65 and "10h" for the x86 "int 10h" instruction, nowhere else. < 1288393372 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 16#f00, but that is erlang syntax < 1288393384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 0xF00 seems so strange in asm to me. < 1288393385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even nasm. < 1288393399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xfoo is what I prefer of the alternatives < 1288393407 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with lowercase letters of course < 1288393407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use gas < 1288393411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your opinion is irrelevant < 1288393413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, *00 < 1288393414 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well f00 < 1288393415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1288393416 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't put in "0hfoo", that's just wrong. (NASM will eat that too.) < 1288393416 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than foo < 1288393422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway but $f00 is so pretty and nice, is it not fizzie? < 1288393424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not fizzie? < 1288393442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COME TO THE DARK SIDE < 1288393458 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a fizzie, that's true. It's perfectly okay, of course. < 1288393536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, TV Tropes' Main.FetishFuel article now redirects to TroperTales.FetishFuel. < 1288393551 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_There is no longer a mainspace fetish fuel article._ < 1288393565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... < 1288393585 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO SUBJECTIVE < 1288393622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But can you write anything in TroperTales.FetishFuel if it doesn't happen to be your own fetish? < 1288393639 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I assume you'd mince words a little. < 1288393724 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They actually had a point when they started cleaning up Nightmare Fuel; it has drifted from its original meaning. But this is blasphemy! This is madness! < 1288393802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS < 1288393802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS < 1288393805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TROPER!!!!! < 1288393808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...had to. sorry. < 1288393920 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't even be as bad if the Troper Tales pages weren't so atrociously coloured. < 1288394171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know how to get the directory of the current Makefile as a make variable? < 1288394227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even just the full path. < 1288394234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the argument to -f, say. < 1288394337 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288394387 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc you can execute arbitrary bash commands in a makefile, yes? < 1288394508 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288394675 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I program the VANSPEC database on BBL/Abundance Forth system, I can write like: HERE 0 , HERE - DUP ALLOT -1 * CONSTANT CELLSIZE < 1288394750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's that assembler you use/wrote? < 1288394805 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I made a assembler 888ASM, for x86, mostly only 16-bits. However I might make a improved one later, if I need a x86 assembler program again. < 1288394823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But I'm going to write my bootloader in it! < 1288394912 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can use 888ASM for now, I guess, if you want to; but there are some things which isn't very good, so I can rewrite a new one, which can work better, such as including both 16-bits and 32-bits mode, and some other things too. < 1288394926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably actually just going to use nasm :P < 1288394990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you have str_equal? It's the same as !strcmp(x,y). < 1288394995 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK use nasm if you want to. But I just wrote my own. (If I write a new one, I plan it should be (mostly) compatible with 888ASM) < 1288395007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Also str_find is literally strchr. < 1288395016 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, if I write a new one that is one thing I can fix. I can also fix it to have dynamic memory allocation, and other things, too. < 1288395027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1288395100 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe new one can be called 889ASM instead! And it can support the same .asm files as 888ASM, but 889ASM files would not necessarily work with 888ASM, though. < 1288395206 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note to anyone using my internationalization.wi program: It is suggested to add all translatable strings to the index.) < 1288395229 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288395235 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1288395241 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is my computer security book? < 1288395248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need it for homework due today < 1288395254 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I had a month to do, but whatever < 1288395258 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Which computer security book? < 1288395268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the name < 1288395271 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one for my class < 1288395290 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, under your bed. < 1288395347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably lost the other book under the bed, also. < 1288395358 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other book? < 1288395371 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1288395402 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of things under my bed < 1288395412 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My textbook, sadly, is not among those things < 1288395420 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :888ASM uses only hexadecimal numbers. If I make 889ASM, it will use hexadecimal numbers by default, too, but I might have some codes to select decimal or octal as well. < 1288395428 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What thing is under your bed? The floor? < 1288395429 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, as far as I can tell < 1288395448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288395478 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some underwear, a nasal spray, some paper, a plastic bag, some envelope of something addressed to me < 1288395490 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cup < 1288395509 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some wrapper for a snack that I do not eat < 1288395528 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^not an all inclusive list < 1288395586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No seriously though, anyone with Makefile-fu? < 1288395607 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about Makefile. I don't write Makefile < 1288395775 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to pirate the book
< 1288395782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have my money anyway < 1288396162 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288396228 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288396232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :root=$(shell dirname $(lastword $(MAKEFILE_LIST)))/.. < 1288396232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :include $(root)/include.make < 1288396242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shroten this, receive prize. < 1288396246 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :All your BASIC are belong to us | 8 days since last oerjan sighting | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288396268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1288396275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: or you :P < 1288396275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1288396318 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the prize a spider three times as big as me? NOTE: The awesome thing about such spider is, no matter how big you are, it is BIGGER < 1288396323 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-2925109180.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1288396471 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Vorpal> elliott, so extremely high "DPI" then so to speak < 1288396479 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, except no, because there is... only one dot. < 1288396607 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When reading the book "TeX: The Program", I can already see many things which can be improved. < 1288396614 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I am henceforth going to refer to it as WindwOS.