< 1285891302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE A FIRST DRAFT READY < 1285891304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAAAAAY < 1285891309 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → SLEEP < 1285891556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285892483 0 :hailtothethief!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285892529 0 :clochette!~clochette@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285892581 0 :clochette!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285893022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1285893055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :left arm < 1285893639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :archaeology < 1285893646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : urgh < 1285893646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i like stoner rock < 1285893648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO HORRIBLE, TO LIKE < 1285893997 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that address (192.88.99.1) the global IPv4 anycast of 6to4 gateways? < 1285894120 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1285894313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 / 1.4^2 < 1285894314 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.5306122448979593 < 1285894419 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1285894561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 / 123456789 < 1285894562 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8.100000073710001e-9 < 1285894609 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285895412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, BytePusher runs at 3.93 MHz < 1285895416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fast! < 1285895528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, bytepusher uses C as an assembler XD < 1285895637 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guh? < 1285895824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It does. < 1285895836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has a little header of C code that defines some stuff like jmp() and lbl(). < 1285895845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it has loops to automate the generation of tedious code. < 1285895851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it all gets spat out to a .BytePusher file. < 1285895855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused by what the 4MHz number has to do with the C-as-asm statement. < 1285895859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nothing. < 1285895863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just looking at BytePusher. < 1285895865 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1285895967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's common in minimalist riscs to have a skip-if-condition and a single unconditional jump instruction rather than conditional jumps, right? < 1285896039 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do-if-condition < 1285896044 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if one could mimic try ... catch ... finally in C < 1285896062 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: setjmp/longjmp < 1285896072 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but syntacticaly < 1285896076 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try ... fail ... give up < 1285896079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you mean have an extra conditional in each instruction? < 1285896080 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using clever macros < 1285896081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's fun < 1285896086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but means every instruction could branch < 1285896086 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: A few wonky macros, no problem. < 1285896088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is sort of ~not fun~ < 1285896090 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ARM does < 1285896094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes, it's been done < 1285896102 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :url plz < 1285896102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hmm, does it do anything fancy? < 1285896112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: JFGI < 1285896122 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Almost always the condition is just used on branch instructions, but ANY instruction can be conditional. < 1285896130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"try and catch in C", fourth freaking result < 1285896138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That must fuck everything up. < 1285896154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, that's a pretty CISC thing to do, isn't it? < 1285896165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS is cooler anyway :P < 1285896165 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ARM isn't really RISC :P < 1285896171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah fuck ARM < 1285896175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS 4eva < 1285896179 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS just has conditional branches. < 1285896221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what's the point of condition flags and the like? are they faster than registers? i've forgotten < 1285896233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just to avoid legislating a format for booleans :P < 1285896235 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1285896236 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not architectury enough to answer that. < 1285896352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if "eq d,a,b" should leave d alone if a =/= b, or set it to zero < 1285896354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former, I think < 1285896362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always zero it beforehand < 1285896410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: all these registers are so bloated compared to OISCs >_> < 1285896419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PDP-8 only had 8 instructions, and it was CISC! :P < 1285896621 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: BTW, how much you get from test-IPv6 tests? :-) < 1285897103 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, hm? < 1285897107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LD r1, r1; LD r2, r2; EQ r3, r1, r2; SNZ r3; JMP end; ... end: < 1285897111 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found out about it from Wikipedia < 1285897114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an awfully long series of instructions for if (*x==*y) < 1285897194 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get 10/10 for both dual stack and v6 only tests... :-) < 1285897199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern top-down programming is tested rigorously at every step even before the full design has completed; unfinished components are filled in by stubs so that the program can be tested. ...So top-down programming has turned into a freaky version of bottom-up programming. Lovely! < 1285897216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: If only anyone else did so you could put it to use >:) < 1285897462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:15:05 And dbc's ascii-art. < 1285897463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc's? < 1285897466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he never talks! < 1285897470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[suddenly, dbc talks] < 1285897480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:15:32 I think there was in... not more than five years ago. < 1285897481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1285897645 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't talk much. < 1285897807 0 :Kordalien!~chatzilla@adsl-71-141-89-187.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285898141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: You're so predictable, talking when someone says you're not going to talk. < 1285898152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbc: In fact, I bet you don't say something very soon. < 1285898225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. Bye. < 1285898227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285898442 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1285899301 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody needs to write an OISC backend for GCC. < 1285899306 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285899684 0 :MB_MB!Constant_R@64.220.221.166.ptr.us.xo.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285899778 0 :MB_MB!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285900058 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285900485 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And binutils I spose .. < 1285905016 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285906456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1285907672 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285908433 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1285909364 0 :sshc_!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1285909503 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285909555 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285910246 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with this picture (hint, 4 things): 00:16 < Oleg_> I have a question. What C++ code for unicode would correspond to ANSCII value 129? < 1285910322 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285910342 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees 3 < 1285910365 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, n.. oh, still < 1285910367 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: which? < 1285910372 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ANSCII" < 1285910382 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 < 1285910394 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was thinking the 129, but then thought it was acceptable, but then that's some extended junk, right? < 1285910396 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :129, "code for unicode", and Oleg < 1285910405 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C++" has nothing to do with anything < 1285910479 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my 4 were: ANSCII, 129, "C++ code for unicode" twice; once for assuming C++ has any unicode support, twice for asking for a "code for unicode" < 1285910519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as the C++ thing goes, I just saw it as "Well, the question should fundamentally be language-independent" < 1285910521 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you shouldn't use the nick Oleg unless you're really smart < 1285910599 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1285910660 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: because the real Oleg is the person who owns this site http://okmij.org/ftp/ < 1285910737 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite impressive < 1285910745 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I think I'm insane < 1285910767 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering trying to gun for a triple major and a minor < 1285911609 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With those majors in some things borderline-useful? < 1285911617 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are we talking philosophy, linguistics and psychology? < 1285911816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Linguistics is borderline-useful. Keep in mind that you put it into application rather often. ;) < 1285911866 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess by "borderline-useful" I mean "puts food on the table" < 1285911886 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linguistics can only do that paired with something actually useful (e.g. CS) < 1285911900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're in academics. < 1285911912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case it doesn't matter you could be studying basket weaving. < 1285911961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And psychology is something like 3/4ths bullshit, due to lack of knowledge. < 1285911971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Philosophy? Formal study of bullshit. < 1285911986 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285911990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which makes it both useless and astoundingly fascinating at the same time. < 1285912068 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1285912301 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285912539 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO pikhq: Go read the Fythe spec dammit! < 1285912605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The first bit I actually added some text to that is) < 1285912919 0 :Rugxulo!~Rugxulo@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285912944 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, haven't been here in a while < 1285913055 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably missed something interesting ... oh well (not going to read hundreds of old logs, even if it has only been like two or three months, heh) < 1285913262 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I'll just say it, I know it's lame to most of you, but I did port my Befunge-93 interpreter to Modula-2, and I (optionally) crammed its source into less than 80x25 (w/ example too) < 1285913294 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crappy, crazy, useless but whatever ... tada! ;-) < 1285913416 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285913894 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1285913995 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things I want: candies that taste like vitamin C pills but do not give indigestion < 1285914162 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange? < 1285914169 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fruit? < 1285914230 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not the same < 1285914237 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like exactly the same < 1285914254 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just meant why complicate it? just eat an orange ;-) < 1285914337 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it does not taste the same < 1285914365 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough, plus it's easily available and has vitamin C < 1285914373 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all natural < 1285914379 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably cheaper too (hopefully) < 1285914431 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) not close enough < 1285914449 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) I don't want vitamin C. The problem is the damned pills give you indigestion if you have too many < 1285914466 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then don't eat too many! < 1285914490 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to < 1285914493 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they are yummy < 1285914514 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your stomach doesn't, obviously, so you have to compromise < 1285914523 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, coppromise < 1285914580 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should work < 1285914591 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you're an expert at not working. help me stop < 1285915662 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think philosophy is pretty cool < 1285915665 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of it, anyway < 1285915669 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all < 1285916417 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285919131 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285919413 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285919999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1285920000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1285921932 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Seeeeeya < 1285922062 0 :Kordalien!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285923049 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285924241 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285925135 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285928852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :morning ← < 1285931262 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1285932702 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285932742 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285934228 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285934777 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285935402 0 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285936825 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1285936837 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285937524 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285938247 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285939765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1285939954 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285941636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285941652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285941664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a film coming out about Facebook. < 1285941670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This saddens me. < 1285941701 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it about a middle aged woman who discovers the internet < 1285941706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, I saw the trailer for it immediately before watching Inception, which erased the horror from my mind for at least a month. < 1285941706 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that is basically facebook < 1285941713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah, no, it's about the founding. < 1285941881 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285941898 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285942665 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sshc < 1285943967 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285944970 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: x < 1285946097 0 :ineiros!~itniemin@james.ics.hut.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1285947220 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285948175 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285948356 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285948821 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285948827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL, BUT REALLY < 1285948912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:17:26 what's wrong with this picture (hint, 4 things): 00:16 < Oleg_> I have a question. What C++ code for unicode would correspond to ANSCII value 129? < 1285948922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"code for unicode", esp. supposing unicode is a charset < 1285948924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSCII < 1285948930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :129 is outside of ASCII < 1285948951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly "C++ code for [meant to be charset]" and thinking "unicode" is a charset is two things < 1285949000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An immensely annoying number of people think the ASCII is 8-bit. < 1285949010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:46:11 Philosophy? Formal study of bullshit. < 1285949014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my philosophy-studying friend can confirm this :) < 1285949023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lawl "the ASCII" :) < 1285949038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:19:55 things I want: candies that taste like vitamin C pills but do not give indigestion < 1285949038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS < 1285949040 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bullshit was a brown colour, and was sloppy. < 1285949047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multivitamins: stupid < 1285949047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deposits were found on my shoe. < 1285949049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their taste: AWESOME < 1285949300 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just chug citric acid. < 1285949303 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fun. < 1285949317 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1285949337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, do not lol at "the ASCII". < 1285949371 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The American Standard Code for I[something] Interchange? < 1285949383 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha you said "The"! < 1285949401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was waiting for someone to notice that I say that, actually. < 1285949456 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, people on Internet tend to add or remove the word "the" indiscriminately. < 1285949459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurred to me one day and I haven't been able to stop since. < 1285949496 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that I shall now end up talking about the TCP and the UTF-8. < 1285949510 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME GO TOO FAR < 1285949523 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The transfer control "TCP" protocol. < 1285949527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ME AM PLAY GOD WITH GRAMMATICAL CORRECTION. < 1285949541 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dern, /transmissions/ control. < 1285949542 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TCP protocol for transmission control. < 1285949556 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dern, /transmission/ control (where'd that plural come from :P ) < 1285949586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I get a Ph.D. and change my name to Iliad, I'll be Dr. I. Hird, or, backwards, Dr. I. Hird. < 1285949590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a new life goal. < 1285949626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You do realise that acronyms aren't really their expansions? < 1285949628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not change your last name to whatever ais' middle one is. < 1285949632 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285949632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why RAS syndrome is a stupid complaint/. < 1285949634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*complaint. < 1285949639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HURR HE SAID ATM MACHINE" < 1285949641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ian? < 1285949646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Ian is a crappy name! < 1285949651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Imhotep. I would become invisible. < 1285949652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIIRC he said it wasn't. < 1285949656 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iain? < 1285949660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Ian. < 1285949674 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scottish names are good atmaking the English mispronounce them. < 1285949677 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at making < 1285949796 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285949817 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285949967 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285949972 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285949972 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285952431 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285952513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nobody likes the English. < 1285952585 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285952614 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285952739 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285952742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, perhaps the English do. < 1285952752 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The English LEAST of all. < 1285952754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's strongly debatable. < 1285952760 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody hates the English more than the English. < 1285952764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BNP? < 1285952819 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1285952850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they hate a lot of the English as well... < 1285952913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same vein, HP Lovecraft was a dedicated Anglophile. < 1285953079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I know that astrology isn't a science," said Gail. "Of course it isn't. It's just an arbitrary set of rules like chess or tennis or, what's that strange thing you British play?" < 1285953079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Er, cricket? Self-loathing?" < 1285953082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Douglas Adams < 1285953181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Next line: ""Parliamentary democracy. The rules just kind of got there. They don't make any kind of sense except in terms of themselves. But when you start to exercise those rules, all sorts of processes start to happen and you start to find out all sorts of stuff about people. [...]") < 1285953184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/""/"/ < 1285953278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DID DOUGLAS ADAMS HAVE TO DIE < 1285953281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WAS SO RUDE < 1285953287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was. < 1285953315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And it left us with "...And Another Thing". < 1285953328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written by an IRISHMAN < 1285953333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A work of fanfiction so unsatisfactory as an entry in the H2G2 trilogy, it makes me want to write a better one. < 1285953335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the SAME < 1285953353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SELF-LOATHING just ISN'T THERE < 1285953373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, it is an excellent imitation of Douglas' style. But it's ... frozen, somehow, a stereotype rather than a homage. < 1285953389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And while it's a decent book, it's a bad H2G2 book. < 1285953395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rename the characters, republish, good book. < 1285953471 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285953917 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only reason my singing sounded bad was because it wasn't in-sync with the music underneath < 1285953924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think raw singing by itself should be ok < 1285954156 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_NO_ < 1285954192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tone was all wrong, the voice was annoying and the timing wasn't just desynced, it was completely wrong. < 1285954289 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those things, in and of itself, shouldn't be grating < 1285954333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1285954351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are not just grating, they are *effing* grating. < 1285954374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *You* *cannot* *sing* < 1285954381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is as simple as that, my friend. < 1285954408 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when I'm bored at a bus stop, I should try to avoid vocalizing whatever song's floating through my head? < 1285954419 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot sing either. I realise this, and I avoid singing at all costs. < 1285954424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, YES. < 1285954469 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conservapedia.com/Obamageddon THIS WORKS EVEN BETTER WITH AN ATHEIST NON-RHOTIC ACCENT < 1285954482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : So when I'm bored at a bus stop, I should try to avoid vocalizing whatever song's floating through my head? ;; oh god yes < 1285954508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I at least hum? < 1285954515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1285954518 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....? < 1285954544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to your thing again juts to make sure < 1285954546 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAKE ANY FORM OF TUNE WITH YOUR LUNGS < 1285954553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just < 1285954558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION too < 1285954572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/unknownsongs.wav ;; yeah don't hum dude :{ < 1285954575 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1285954576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O GOD I LEFT THE VOLUME TOO HIGH < 1285954581 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1285954582 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that's not humming < 1285954642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i need a link :{ < 1285954661 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/paint_it_black_karaoke.ogg < 1285954686 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually fairly desensitised to Sgeo's voice by now. < 1285954697 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually know someone with a more annoying one. < 1285954709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Postcode, weaknesses? < 1285954720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either of these things. < 1285954734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is their weakness GUNS? < 1285954737 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to infuriate him, though, so that's one attack strategy. < 1285955579 0 :hailtothethief!~oh@97-115-130-102.spkn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285955891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hailtothethief < 1285955899 0 :hailtothethief!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1285956060 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285956072 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285956105 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285956122 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285956728 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAKE ANY FORM OF TUNE WITH YOUR LUNGS // /me tries to figure out a way to make a tune with his lungs that isn't singing, beat-boxing or otherwise producing sound via the vocal chords, mouth, tongue, teeth and lips. < 1285956747 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285956838 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can just breathe in and out while using your chest as a percussive instrument. < 1285958214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Extract your lungs, stretch them, bang as percussive instrument. < 1285958220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need a lung transplant first. < 1285958223 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touche! < 1285959540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, incidentally, if you wanted to wipe out the area in which the guy with the voice more annoying than Sgeo's in it, don't bother < 1285959543 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not regional. < 1285959581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just going to wipe out him. < 1285959603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My description would be something along the lines of nasal and lisping, as well as so camp that when he walks into a room the average Kinsey rating rises by at least a point. < 1285959621 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... laaaaaaaaaaaaawl < 1285959654 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285959655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1285959667 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been saving that one for a while. < 1285959674 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you actually post a link to said guy's voice? < 1285959700 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are we just to take your word for it? < 1285959701 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285959715 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M THE ONLY GR NOW YAY < 1285959738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I don't exactly whip out a dictaphone when talking to people. < 1285959750 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... you don't? < 1285959752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But I do whip out my dic--" "Excuse me, sir." < 1285959771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I whip out my dick and dictaphone when talking to people. < 1285959777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As they're the same instrument. < 1285959780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH JUST DESTROY THE SUBTLETY THANKS GREGOR < 1285959793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already got enough notoriety at my school for carefully spreading misinformation as to the reason for my departure from the previous one < 1285959795 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s what I do. < 1285959807 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Blew it up? < 1285959816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you said "instrument", I thought "dick solo", which just... yeah, this channel now officially has no class. < 1285959826 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implied that it was due to the < 1285959830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the -- < 1285959834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[and he was shot] < 1285959837 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rhapsody in Pink for Penis and Vagina < 1285959842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nmmjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj < 1285959851 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That joke was almost too stupid to be said. < 1285959857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Organ In A Minor < 1285959859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*in < 1285959866 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... X-D < 1285959893 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I implied that it was due to assault with a spoon. < 1285959901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is sort of true. < 1285959926 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LaTeX have a BNF package that isn't made of suck? < 1285959998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Please, please elaborate on how it was sort of true. < 1285960012 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did assault someone with a spoon. < 1285960021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't get kicked out immediately for it. < 1285960036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why ... did you assault someone ... with a spoon ... < 1285960038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1285960051 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS ALL I SHALL SAY ON THE MATTER < 1285960065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1285960067 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that he may have required stitches. < 1285960297 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285960297 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285960317 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello everyone! < 1285960327 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My battery is apparently broken! < 1285960329 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaay! < 1285960370 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't broken an hour ago! < 1285960372 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaay! < 1285960450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORK < 1285960560 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about it? < 1285960633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forks. < 1285960728 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about them? < 1285960746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they eat < 1285960952 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285961131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was fun. Finally heard a piece on the classical station here that I was familiar with that *wasn't* a listener request. < 1285961143 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Because I have performed said piece. < 1285961230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for some reason, when the station's open to requests, everyone requests things that just about everyone has heard. Find me someone who hasn't heard "Dance of the Sugarplum Fairy" and I'll show you someone who was born deaf.) < 1285961398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dial in and request The Black Eyed Peas' "My Humps". < 1285961401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must. < 1285961434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I doubt they'd have it. It's a classical station. < 1285961441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I say, I say, that's a joke, son. < 1285961442 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pinnacle of all music: canyon.mid. (That thing which came with win3.1 multimedia thingies, possibly 9x and later too.) < 1285961446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I *could* request 4'33". < 1285961466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Request 59"59', the little-known sequel to 4'33". < 1285961476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*59'59" < 1285961486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1285961643 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: IIRC, canyon.mid was actually pretty darn awesome :P < 1285961669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIW4F285QjA < 1285961684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anecdote you just reminded me of: < 1285961688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLAY IT ON AN MT-32 < 1285961701 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend of mine and I like to play "guess-that-composer" when there's something we don't recognize playing. < 1285961706 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we both suck at it, so instead we choose letters. < 1285961711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1285961715 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One person gets to choose 'B', and the other person chooses two other letters. < 1285961726 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If either letter is the first letter of the last name of the composer, that person wins. < 1285961733 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not the anecdote :P < 1285961763 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anecdote is that we were playing that game when something we couldn't identify came on. It was clearly Beethoven, but it obviously wasn't because we would have recognized it. < 1285961781 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we were debating who would have written in such a distinctively-German early Romantic style other than Beethoven. < 1285961805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : One person gets to choose 'B', and the other person chooses two other letters. <-- why B specifically? < 1285961821 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, he took 'B', and I took 'R' and 'S'. For Ravel, which has been known to do some very weird stuff, Sibelius and Saint-Sans. < 1285961830 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because every famous composer is named with a 'B' < 1285961841 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joked "I guess I've got Rimsky-Korsakov too!" < 1285961857 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it was such an absurd notion that something so distinctively early-Romantic German would be Rimsky-Korsakov. < 1285961874 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suffice it to say: Listen to Rimsky-Korsakov's third symphony some time. It is an interesting experience. I won that game :P < 1285961876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Because every famous composer is named with a 'B' ;; Bmozart < 1285961881 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Like Bozart and Bivaldi? < 1285961890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol bozart < 1285961894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, argh you beat me to it < 1285961904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how Bmozart is pronounced < 1285961917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "bm" is like the pn pneumatic, except with b instead of p and m instead of n. < 1285961919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, heh < 1285961921 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Bizet, Borodin, Balakirev, ... < 1285961927 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bibelius, the more bookish cousin of Sibelius. < 1285961935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Bage < 1285961946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor Bichards < 1285961949 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people have absolutely no understanding of hyperbole. < 1285961953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor Bitchards < 1285961958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I do, I'm just being silly. < 1285961959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Bayden, Bändel, Bebussy... < 1285961966 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you are completely right! < 1285961969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bimsky-Korsakov < 1285961999 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brahman < 1285962041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, don't forget Erik Batie. < 1285962071 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that the only composers the average person will name is: Bach, Beethoven, Mozart. < 1285962087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And George Bone, composer of canyon.mid. (Okay, okay, Stone.) < 1285962091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're *lucky*, throw Tchaikovsky in there, too. < 1285962107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Maybe Vivaldi or Brahms. Not both though < 1285962108 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Brahms can make it sometimes. < 1285962125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gregor: Pieces, maybe. Composer, hahahah no. < 1285962135 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brahm's Lullaby" < 1285962139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, indeed < 1285962197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not going to hear Brahms *named*. < 1285962201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erik Satie is wonderful. < 1285962212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Batie* < 1285962222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brik Batie < 1285962230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *Bchaikovsky < 1285962240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronunciation left as an exercise to the reader. < 1285962252 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SmallReferencePools says Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, and then quite a list of individual works. < 1285962267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, if it comes to listening tests, people will probably recognize stuff by completely different composers than those. < 1285962267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's about right. < 1285962285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, I'm just mentioning composers with name recognition. < 1285962297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Pieces, of course, you'll have things all over the place. < 1285962336 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :canyon.mid? < 1285962349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have done a few tests myself, and Grieg's "I bergakungens sal" (iirc "In the hall of the mountain king" in English) is quite widely recognized, though no one seems to know it's name < 1285962355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trip_Through_the_Grand_Canyon < 1285962385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Tchaikovsky getting a lot of recognition -- pretty sure Swan Lake, Nutcracker, and 1812 Overture will be instantly recognised (if at the right parts). < 1285962436 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm the right parts of Carmen even more so. Hardly anyone knows who Bizet was though. < 1285962447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true. < 1285962461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, anything that was in Looney Tunes. < 1285962467 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy who composed what is now the Nokia tone? < 1285962477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but for actual works I think Vivaldi's Spring (first movement) comes very near the top < 1285962491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, undoubtedly. < 1285962492 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, most people can even identify it as "Spring" in my experience. < 1285962508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was in Looney Tunes, IIRC. < 1285962508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyone who has ever played Loom has Swan Lake branded onto their heads. < 1285962509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, unlike with "In the hall of the mountain king", which no one has a clue what it is named < 1285962523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Doesn't the mountain-kingity also exist as an example multimedia file in some Windows versions? < 1285962531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have no idea < 1285962551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if "In the Court of the Crimson King" is a reference to that. < 1285962579 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Methylated spirits are just alcohol made more deadly. < 1285962586 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This depresses me somewhat. < 1285962587 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it isn't exactly an un-obvious name. < 1285962611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, but... King Crimson *did* basically take rock, strip away the blues, and put in a whole lot of classical into it. < 1285962612 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285962616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1285962623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285962626 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loom? < 1285962635 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, googling indicates it's a video game < 1285962638 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR POP-CULTURAL REFERENCES BAFFLE ME < 1285962639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: a wonderful lucas arts adventure game < 1285962645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, it did the same to me < 1285962648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music is all lovely midi renditions of Swan Lake < 1285962650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(baffle that is) < 1285962650 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know when Kerim Aydin invented BF Joust? I suspect it was January 2009 < 1285962656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the gameplay is music-based < 1285962656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://help.lockergnome.com/windows2/Windows-95-Sample-Media-Files--ftopict482130.html -- second post lists the win95 files, and it indeed is there, and also the Bach/Beethoven/Mozart trinity. < 1285962670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you "weave" spells by playing little snippets of music) < 1285962678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in part < 1285962686 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, .rmi? < 1285962716 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, check the wiki article's history? < 1285962729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: it predates the wiki < 1285962731 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285962733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I can grep my Agora emails. < 1285962735 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: RIFF-encapsulated MIDI. < 1285962739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Also, he goes by "G.". < 1285962748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, um... riff? < 1285962752 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“An unfortunate truth is that for the vast majority of people, the only music that matters is the music that was recorded from about five years after they were born until today. Everything else is to be considered "boring old farts' music" and not worth exploring.” < 1285962757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This... Is depressing. < 1285962789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I listen to oldish music :< < 1285962790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even like most of the musical genres popular during my lifetime! < 1285962791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285962796 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1285962803 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What .wavs and .avis are; a generic tagged-block metaformat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Interchange_File_Format < 1285962803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you alone do not make up the majority of people :P < 1285962808 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show userinterps < 1285962810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1285962812 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1285962812 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust < 1285962831 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1285962831 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1285962845 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate Hello, world! < 1285962853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1285962860 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avast, world! We'll keel-haul ye! < 1285962864 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!show userinterps < 1285962864 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a user interpreter! < 1285962866 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1285962884 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate Was "Hello, world!" special-cased? < 1285962884 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was "Avast, world! Shiver me timbers!" special-cased? < 1285962894 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate It appears so. < 1285962894 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears so. < 1285962908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf that is pathetic < 1285962911 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!pirate who does nothing. (A tvtrope name.) < 1285962912 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does nothing. And swab the deck! (A tvtrope name. Pass the grog!) < 1285962913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: "braincorefckwars", 2008-12-18. "BF Joust" first mentioned same day. Submissions solicited and announcement of working tournament runner, 2008-12-19. < 1285962921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: All posts by G. . < 1285962927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How does one end a sentence with "G."?) < 1285962955 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: thanks :-) < 1285962972 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I just ended up going on an almost circuitous path through TV Tropes! < 1285962997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: First draft of Agoran contest posted 2008-12-20, contest begins officially a few days later. < 1285963099 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks alise. Just adding something brief to the programming games wiki. < 1285963716 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285963857 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1285963882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Help! I'm running into a cyclic goal error! < 1285963888 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285963895 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1285963910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is me joining the channel that devastating? < 1285963920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just a case of context slipping away due to extenuating factors? < 1285963968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Both! < 1285963971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually just the latter. < 1285964342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, cyclic goal error with what? < 1285964365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaden. < 1285965097 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285965163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, I can't figure out a language to write it in, which leads to me mentally constructing a brand new one, and then when I think "ok, I should write this down", I want leaden. < 1285965285 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"leaden", is that a language I've heard about? < 1285965323 0 :Gracenotes!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285965337 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285965495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: nope < 1285965500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an editor you've heard about, i think < 1285965523 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right, I probably have < 1285965527 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recognize the name at least < 1285965695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how do you plan to avoid disk trashing situations with the orthogonal persistence in aliseos? < 1285965723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cleverly < 1285965733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, interesting, do you have anything specific in mind? < 1285965740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason Mitosis exists is so that i can get this stuff wrong so many times i must inevitably hit upon the right solution eventually :) < 1285965759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, we'll all be using SSDs at least by the time it's ready. < 1285965772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if their lifespan increases, which it should... < 1285965786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, heh < 1285965795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: plus only persisting every N time, of course < 1285965796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it wasn't that that I had in mind < 1285965800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every 100ms, say < 1285965803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, rather, something similar to swap trashing < 1285965819 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, even SSDs are not as fast as main memory < 1285965821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the relevance to the persistence system? < 1285965843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean taking an awful lot of time just to persist? < 1285965853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly < 1285965858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me explain < 1285965913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you will persist application state? And you have one big virtual address. The application is not aware of the ram/disk distinction < 1285965931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything will be persisted. More or less. I'm not even entirely sure that temporary variables won't be. < 1285965933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so it can't know how large the "ram" is < 1285965945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's a magical third address space that both RAM and disk map to. < 1285965957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so it can't try to make a ram/speed tradeoff. Some programs do that even today < 1285965959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAM with paging, disk with a tree structure. < 1285965981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, well, some. The idea of course is that the OS is sufficiently intelligent to prioritise the right bits of data. < 1285966024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But... I don't see why you can't get at the amount of physical RAM in the system. < 1285966033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With swapping, even modern systems make this fuzzy. < 1285966034 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well... yeah, but that doesn't help making a good memory/speed tradeoff really. If you select different algorithms or different algorithm parameters based on how much ram there is. Since you can't do that any longer. < 1285966040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah okay < 1285966047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In general, a running application won't be on disk, anyway. < 1285966053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, right < 1285966060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because that's pretty much the worst-case scenario. < 1285966067 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is < 1285966082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed almost by definition it won't be; if you're accessing it and competition isn't harsh, it's going to be in RAM for a while. < 1285966112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1285966155 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Work in progress -> http://programminggames.org < 1285966162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway there are even applications that try to adapt to cpu cache size. I know I seen that somewhere recently, but I don't remember where. < 1285966177 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it was pretty relevant there too < 1285966179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to live in the Republic of Cascadia. < 1285966187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh? < 1285966191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement) < 1285966207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: British Columbia + Oregon + Washington + sometimes northern California. < 1285966210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285966218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The United States of Sanity < 1285966248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the name "Cascadia"? < 1285966266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm a bit impaired in browser using atm, due to being extremely close to swap trashing) < 1285966282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Not sure. < 1285966370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Seems it's the name given to the general area by history. < 1285966378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe not. < 1285966379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, whatever. < 1285966409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: ASP.NET, interesting platform choice ... < 1285966409 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1285966444 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's just what comes with my webhost :-) < 1285966487 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I needed a wiki that uses a flat file (SQL costs extra) and they had a one click install for Screwturn. < 1285966528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a shitty webhost < 1285966553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: That's incredibly shitty. < 1285966573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Xen based VPS isn't that expensive. (OpenVZ-based VPSes tends to suck, I don't know whyl) < 1285966576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why* < 1285966583 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the cheapest I could find with unlimited sites / bandwidth < 1285966604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad criteria. < 1285966613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: unlimited bandwidth is a marketing lie < 1285966614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, you don't need unlimited bw. As for sites? Again VPS wouldn't limit you in that < 1285966617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, literally, never true < 1285966621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed < 1285966629 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1285966632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Unless you've got a peering relationship. < 1285966633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: otoh, i wouldn't recommend a vps to someone unfamiliar with unix administration. < 1285966641 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm good point < 1285966645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are better hosts even then. < 1285966647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case you have an astounding server room. :) < 1285966653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I tend to go for pay for bw rate, rather than transfer per month < 1285966678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least when I can't predict how much it will use per month < 1285966681 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285966690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An easy to understand price schedule: $4/month per account, and $1/month for every 64MiB ram. Please note; this means all plans come with $4/month worth of support." --prgmr.com < 1285966696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather slow site than one stopping working after 20 days < 1285966701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So customer-friendly! < 1285966716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the nice thing with a lot of VPS hosters is that they have no hard bandwidth limits. < 1285966731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead just slapping you hard when you get slashdotted twice in a month :) < 1285966735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed. Strangely enough dedi and colo tends to have more stringent limits < 1285966823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also fuck g++, it is so slow (sure point to clang, but only post 2.7, and this project isn't large enough that building last llvm and clang trunk and then using that would be faster, those are C++ themselves so...) < 1285966845 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: C++ is pretty inherently slow. < 1285966847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clang++ 2.7 compiles quite a bit :p < 1285966861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you realise how *much* you have to parse per file that uses the STL? < 1285966863 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that too < 1285966873 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes I checked < 1285966881 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tends of MB iirc < 1285966883 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tens* < 1285966962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how fun, after compiling with -O0 -g it no longer segfaults.... And with -O1 -g it is pretty useless, just lots of value optimized out < 1285967239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah gcc's optimisation is pretty buggy < 1285967242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general < 1285967262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hard to know who is to blame here < 1285967297 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, this program is one I expect to have problems with anything but 32-bit x86 linux in general. It has a history of that < 1285967312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, not the most stable one < 1285967375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, if -O1 ever breaks and -O0 doesn't... it should only happen on *really* fucked up code < 1285967408 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, could very well be in this case. Half the comments and function names are in German though, so a bit hard to know what is going on in general < 1285967441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also extremely helpful parameter names: < 1285967443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x000000000061c5ba in display_fb_internal (xp=, yp=, w=, h=1, color=, < 1285967443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dirty=, cL=0, cR=704, cT=0, cB=560) < 1285967468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably wouldn't change that tbh < 1285967474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xp/yp are obviously coordinate-related < 1285967477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1285967480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w and h are common names for width and height < 1285967483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the local variable lp though? < 1285967490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dirty is probably some flag or something < 1285967491 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it crashes on something involving that < 1285967493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: err < 1285967495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0x000000000061c5ba in display_fb_internal (xp=, yp=, w=, h=1, color=, < 1285967495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dirty=, cL=0, cR=704, cT=0, cB=560) < 1285967497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is all i saw < 1285967510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes indeed, but there is a local variable in addition < 1285967513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285967521 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and it is optimised out < 1285967569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see if this recompile helps (turned of -DNDEBUG which was hidden deep in a makefile) < 1285967579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might help catch something in advance of the issue < 1285967598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh, now it segfaults there with -O0 too! < 1285967609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that probably means there's actually a bug < 1285967614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, "$1 = " < 1285967616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense < 1285967620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at -O0 < 1285967630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes looking at the makefile machinery < 1285967636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen all sorts of craziness in debug output < 1285967642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb seems to struggle when there's a lot of data on the stack < 1285967672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Bah, {{deletedpage}} is a perfectly good salt, it saved you work :P < 1285967689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's not salting unless the page is actually protected < 1285967692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just bluffing < 1285967697 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makefile has basically this: "if DEBUG < 2 && !NDEBUG, add -O1" < 1285967700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be buggy < 1285967735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what are you talking about? < 1285967742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the wiki < 1285967752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: true, I was just thinking that it'd either be protected or deleted very soon, so it either helps someone know it should be deleted or saves them a post-protection step < 1285967754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes but what specifically are you referring to on it < 1285967763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: see recent changes. < 1285967766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: note that spambots won't even /read/ a message saying that a page can't be edited... < 1285967777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I see what you mean, you're saving me having to write {{deletedpage}} myself < 1285967787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I care more about instantaneous correctness of admin templates than you do < 1285967815 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what did the deleted page contain? < 1285967817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it's you we're talking about, admin actions are as instantaneous as it gets < 1285967818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: spam. < 1285967822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1285967836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm not always online < 1285967845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe we need {{deletedpage}} to only show if the page is protected, somehow :) < 1285967867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you could just put it on every page < 1285967890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, deletedpage is doubly deprecated nowadays on Wikipedia, which has moved on many versions since < 1285967898 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in recent MediaWiki, you can just protect a page even if it doesn't exist < 1285967924 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ofc, deletedpage is doubly deprecated nowadays on Wikipedia, which has moved on many versions since <-- doubly? < 1285967945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: cascading protection works better than {{deletedpage}}, but less well than doing it properly < 1285967945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm are we running outdated mediawiki? < 1285967951 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1285967959 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285967961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were running /really/ outdated mediawiki before last time graue was persuaded to upgrade < 1285967968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think he only did it for compatibility with a better spam filter < 1285967973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285967977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're running march 2007 mediawiki, i think < 1285967978 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about bugs? < 1285967981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the main page is out of date < 1285967989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there aren't any serious bugs as far as we can tell < 1285967990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works... < 1285967991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Version < 1285967993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAARGH < 1285968005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still doesn't crash with -O0 now when I fixed the makefile bug < 1285968015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" is such an awesome name. < 1285968032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet he drove the implementation of Unicode support :P < 1285968051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You want me to call myself Aevar Arnfjoerth Bjarmason?! BAH" < 1285968069 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1285968070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't all the special characters there in Latin-1? < 1285968100 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285968112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you sure eth is? < 1285968125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the only one I'm not sure about < 1285968141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure it isn't. < 1285968149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode U+00D0 U+00F0 Inherited from the older ISO 8859-1 standard < 1285968154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+00F0 < 1285968155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just in range < 1285968161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but it isn't in latin-1 < 1285968164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict < 1285968166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1285968170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin 1 = ISO 8859-1 < 1285968178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :P < 1285968191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never realised < 1285968193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ISO/IEC 8859-1:1998, Information technology — 8-bit single-byte coded graphic character sets — Part 1: Latin alphabet No. 1, is part of the ISO/IEC 8859 series of ASCII-based standard character encodings, first edition published in 1987. It is informally referred to as Latin-1." < 1285968200 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you not realise that? < 1285968214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you assume there were two common 8-bit encodings around that were almost identical? < 1285968221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one did you assume matched the bottom 0xFF of Unicode? < 1285968288 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285968332 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose there's Windows-1252, but everyone vaguely knows that one's nonstandard because Microsoft invented it) < 1285968391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, according to Wikipedia, HTML 5 requires documents that claim to be Latin-1 to be parsed as Windows-1252 < 1285968400 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it's taking bug-compatibility seriously... < 1285968769 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285968776 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-201-93.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1285968794 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285968901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like half of the html5 spec is an anal pseudocode specification of how to parse and handle anything that has a single < in it, or even doesn't < 1285968910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: reverse-engineered from IE < 1285968925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in fact HTML5 also specifies... every byte string :) < 1285968944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HTML5 specifies, essentially, how to handle retarded HTML. < 1285969004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one hand, I feel we should just ban retarded HTML. On the other, I'm at least glad that they're actually *specifying* it rather than leaving browser makers to try and reverse engineer the bullshit. < 1285969018 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285969081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things i am learning today: i am terrible at finding bugs in other people's code < 1285969093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On the one hand, I feel we should just ban retarded HTML." ;; XHTML tried that, it didn't work :) < 1285969257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems someone reimplemented INTERCAL for Windows Phone 7 < 1285969266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is scary, why can't i figure this out < 1285969269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah; sadly, people are retards. < 1285969278 0 :Slereah!~nigger@ANantes-259-1-108-166.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1285969292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they only distributed a binary, but it's .NET so presumably decompilable < 1285969340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some definition of decompilable < 1285969362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1285969377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely enough, it was released on Twitter < 1285969396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/UberGeekGames/status/22546729564 < 1285969418 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285969436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what this says about the future of humanity... < 1285969464 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE DOOMED! DOOMED! < 1285969491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a merge sort, surely I can find a bug in a merge sort... < 1285969495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders why it's asking perms to do things like dial phone numbers and check for locations < 1285969534 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's probably a spam virus < 1285969539 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the binary's only 24K < 1285969543 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1285969546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either .NET is very concise, or it's a hoax < 1285969562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame it being java and sorting in-place < 1285969576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/UberGeekGames < 1285969579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not look like spam to me at all < 1285969587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :may simply be crap < 1285969598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: .xap is a zip < 1285969601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I know < 1285969604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I unzipped it < 1285969619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the .dll is the only thing there that looks plausible to contain the code < 1285969640 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on esolang wiki experience, if ais523 isn't sure what something is, it is probably clearly spam >:) < 1285969649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm installing a .NET disassembler atm < 1285969767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i find that most of the slightly doubtful cases of esolang wiki spam are easily resolved by googling part of the text. there is usually enough similar spam to make it obvious. < 1285969783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: remind me never to go into a software maintenance job < 1285969804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :namespace INTERCAL { interface private auto ansi abstract IIntercalStatement { public virtual hidebysig newslot abstract instance default void Do (class INTERCAL.IntercalProgram program) cil managed; }} < 1285969805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm helping a friend-of-a-friend with their mergesort homework and stunningly cannot find the error < 1285969814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that certainly looks enterprisey < 1285969833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I suspect the disassembler's put in the defaults for every possible keyword .NET supports < 1285969871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to find the actual /code/... < 1285969932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285969932 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : namespace INTERCAL { interface private auto ansi abstract IIntercalStatement { public virtual hidebysig newslot abstract instance default void Do (class INTERCAL.IntercalProgram program) cil managed; }} <-- wat < 1285969943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is doing .NET with intercal? < 1285969953 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, it's "genuine" but implements only a subset < 1285969966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise, array dimension, assign literal, text output, end program < 1285969973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'll run a hello world correctly, but nothing more complicated < 1285969982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://twitter.com/UberGeekGames/status/22546729564 < 1285969995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285970037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285970050 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where is the code? < 1285970057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't, I disassembled the binary < 1285970062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so closed source? < 1285970069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1285970075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the fuck would make a closed source intercal implementation < 1285970083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was possibly by mistake < 1285970084 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so.... pointless < 1285970097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Windows dev, after all, people are used to releasing binaries rather than source there < 1285970117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, perhaps they didn't want people to figure out that it wasn't a full impl < 1285970145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also can't find anything that resembles a parser there, but the disassembler did segfault... < 1285970180 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285970210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying it is an early version would be enough? < 1285970273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most early versions haven't had all the commands implemented < 1285970290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see how you can get away with calling it INTERCAL with such a small subset < 1285970300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps he was counting on his audience not being able to test anything but hello-worlds < 1285970321 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285970442 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1285970477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm helping a friend-of-a-friend with their mergesort homework and stunningly cannot find the error <-- is it buggy though? < 1285970516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1285970529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also java and mutates in-place, so my brain has segfaulted from the start < 1285970530 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, in what way? out of bounds access? mis-sort? < 1285970533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285970534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mis-sort < 1285970537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285970541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to sort things properly but then mysteriously merges them wrong < 1285970553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, could be off by one error maybe? Or mixing up something like < and =< < 1285970567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so, but the indexing is a bit screwy < 1285970569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : C:\Users\Ian\documents\visual studio 2010\Projects\INTERCAL\INTERCAL\INTERCAL\obj\Windows Phone\Release\INTERCAL.pdb < 1285970578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always fun when that happens < 1285970582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it uses Float.MAX_VALUE to indicate end of array in some way which is just confusing < 1285970591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, when what happens? < 1285970596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: strings is a crazy program :) < 1285970598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnier is gprolog, which lets you get the list of all strings used in the program via reflection < 1285970608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it contains the path that was used to compile it, too < 1285970639 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1285970647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings proves it's not a full implementation, pretty much < 1285970647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I always thought strings extracted, like, actual strings using the actual executable format. < 1285970648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm in erlang you can call :module_info/1, it tends to contain path of source file for the standard distribution. < 1285970656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HOW WRONG I WAS < 1285970665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is iirc some rather screwy nfs-looking path < 1285970671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lists IntercalStatement_{AssignVariable,AssignArray,DefineArray,ReadOut,GiveUp} < 1285970686 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either Ian changed his naming scheme halfway through the program, or only implemented five commands < 1285970698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: strangely, I guessed/knew what it did right from the start < 1285970704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway, for any language that does array indexing in a way similar to C, and the function is operating on arrays: suspect off by one errors < 1285970721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe he just IntercalStatement_GaveUp < 1285970724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that off by one errors is by far the most common bug in C code that I written < 1285970728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now oerjan is after me! < 1285970733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs for the border < 1285970741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah but sh'e < 1285970745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*she's tweaked the indices tons < 1285970748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to no effect < 1285970757 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, there aren't any borders to run to. < 1285970759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :off by one errors are awful, though :) < 1285970765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'M ESCAPING TO #UBUNTU < 1285970772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't find anybody in THAT haystack! < 1285970774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yeah especially when you have multiple ones < 1285970788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, then tweaking may give "seemingly" inconsistent results < 1285970793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1285970796 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lifts the border so alise trips over it < 1285970799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm... single step the code in the merging step? < 1285970803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, if java has such < 1285970805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate debugging :( < 1285970812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it probably does, but i'm way too lazy to go in-depth like that < 1285970823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, gdb is actually pretty good. No clue what you use for java though < 1285970831 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like debugging more than writing code in the first place :/ < 1285970833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've just recommended she translate some pseudocode to java and forget the old version ever existed < 1285970839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that is bad bad bad. < 1285970861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Unless it is a segfault, or not related to arrays, I tend to debug with valgrind first for C code, and only then with gdb < 1285970868 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that tends to help < 1285970895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When using or writing a GC, valgrind is hyper-useless. < 1285970896 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, it'll give him a head start in the soulless maintenance drudge that is professional coding. < 1285970899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas gdb is just useless. < 1285970905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HOORAY < 1285970919 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *someone* has to do it. < 1285970920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: also: HA your opinions have completely transformed into mine < 1285970922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assimilation successful < 1285970932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I knew that ages ago... < 1285970951 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I've always liked being in a niche < 1285970957 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should be a researcher of some sort < 1285970970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE ARE THE HIRD. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. < 1285970985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : When using or writing a GC, valgrind is hyper-useless. <-- yes < 1285970992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you like fixing more than creating... research probably isn't for you. < 1285971003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well not exactly < 1285971008 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, researching awful code < 1285971010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it can still find "use of undefined value" < 1285971017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, just not any memory leaks < 1285971022 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see a fruitful career in psychology for you. < 1285971059 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : WE ARE THE HIRD. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. <-- err? Is this a pun on "ehird"? < 1285971086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Subject A's code clearly shows psychopathic tendencies, as demonstrated by his use of GNU brace style and his UI's persistent admonitions for users to 'end their worthless lives'." < 1285971109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1285971119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Apparently HTML5 does not actually say that ISO-8859-1 == Windows-1252 for the purposes of HTML5. < 1285971120 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that could be dangerous to the researcher < 1285971130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that sounds like a slightly customized version of Emacs < 1285971134 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tends to use GNU brace style :/ < 1285971139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1285971142 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1285971152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought GNU brace style was the only brace style with no advocates at al < 1285971154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all < 1285971159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um, what about RMS? < 1285971161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of acquired that style from the LSL Hello World < 1285971161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It instead says that clients should treat ISO-8859-1 as Windows-1252 for compatibility, but that any change of semantics resulting from this interpretation is a parse error. < 1285971163 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1285971163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Experiment log 1/10/10: Received code sample from Subject B. < 1285971171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, he presumably advocates it? < 1285971180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he advocates free software, not brace styles < 1285971181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempted to run; blacked out. < 1285971192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I tend to use a style similar to the linux kernel brace style < 1285971203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, I don't < 1285971210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phew* < 1285971211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread the code sample on Wikipedia < 1285971224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upon recovery, blood was smeared upon the desk in vaguely familiar patterns. < 1285971226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so HTML5 is merely resorting to defined behavior where, say, C, would allow the compiler to launch ze missiles. < 1285971233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blood tests confirmed blood as own. < 1285971241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : WE ARE THE HIRD. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. <-- err? Is this a pun on "ehird"? ;; ITT: Borg < 1285971256 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allman style < 1285971256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Subject A's code clearly shows psychopathic tendencies, as demonstrated by his use of GNU brace style and his UI's persistent admonitions for users to 'end their worthless lives'." < 1285971259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Primarily the brace style." < 1285971259 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a combination of those obviously :P < 1285971266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the borg pun was obvious < 1285971270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: that sounds like a slightly customized version of Emacs ;; encourage-user-suicide-mode < 1285971270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hird one, not so much < 1285971273 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Experiment log 2/10/10: tried analysing code in debugger. < 1285971307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blacked out again. Core file left in working directory. Will investigate later. < 1285971341 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking through core — MY GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE < 1285971346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUN YOU FOOLS RUN < 1285971357 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH, THAT RHYMED. < 1285971365 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my days are timed. < 1285971366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this is starting to look like a parody of that wiki pretending to be a secret govt thingy. Forgot the name of it < 1285971374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SCP Foundation? < 1285971381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes that < 1285971393 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the general style I was aiming at. < 1285971394 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 the SCP Foundation < 1285971396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah < 1285971399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, we know < 1285971423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contents of core file 011010.core: [DATA EXPUNGED] < 1285971472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Image of blood patterns created after execution: [IMAGE EXPUNGED] < 1285971493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1285971563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ran mival.exe. Saw structures of great #####, with crawling, demonic #######s whose noises deafened me. I became as if it. [Note: This file was found on Dr. A. Britki's computer after incident 4093-1A9.] < 1285971568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As if it! < 1285971579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm trying to do binary search on -O0 plus a handful of flags < 1285971583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find out what is failing < 1285971591 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now time to test -O0 -fmerge-constants < 1285971595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way that should fail < 1285971615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does, this is a sad day for computing < 1285971666 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attempted to compile ravana.c. Compiler failed with error ####. Reran with flag -####. My god, it's full of ####. < 1285971678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, :P < 1285971681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC actually has a -### flag < 1285971685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1285971694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure where that naming comes from < 1285971694 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285971698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah, but does it have a -#### flag < 1285971703 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1285971705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1285971709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it failed with -O0 -fmerge-constants -fdce -fdse, it works with -O0 < 1285971711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it's the Forbidden Flag. < 1285971712 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um < 1285971747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the reasons that no compilers are fully C99 compliant. < 1285971752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Challenge: Watch every single Sesame Street episode ever. Note: This is almost 29 years worth of video, without breaks or sleep. < 1285971764 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1285971766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1285971767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't. < 1285971770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 hours != 1 hour! < 1285971775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually just almost half a year. < 1285971779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is still pretty damn impressive. < 1285971796 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, try to watch sazae-san < 1285971815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1285971819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebbu: i think i'll pass :D < 1285971822 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got at least one episode per week, since 1970 i think < 1285971825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about watching them all simultaneously < 1285971830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :episodes: 6345+ < 1285971833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are any of the optimisations there unsafe? < 1285971834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emphasis on the +... < 1285971841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fmerge-constants is safe in theory, but often abused in practice < 1285971849 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 60 hours != 1 hour! <-- breaking news: Scientists recently discovered that 60 hours was not the same as one hour, as previously thought. This has thus discredited the theory of the 61 hour cyclic modulo universe. < 1285971862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I read a comment on reddit saying that the "Play All" option on an Aqua Teen Hunger Force DVD literally divided the screen into the number of episodes and played them all simultaneously./ < 1285971867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$// < 1285971874 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's hilarious < 1285971880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, presumably it would only be 4 or so < 1285971881 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't know < 1285971941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and dce and dse should both be same, dead code and dead subexpression iirc (don't have man page up atm) < 1285971945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The -#### flag is to C compilers as the Bôites Diabolique is to synthesisers, really. < 1285971957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "Bôites Diabolique"? < 1285971965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1285971971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it segfauls < 1285971974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfaults* < 1285971985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The forbidden notes. < 1285971989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remove -fmerge-constant just to ensure nothing else changed so that sill doesn't work < 1285971993 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you're a pianist. Explain to Vorpal < 1285972005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh those < 1285972010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, two Look Around You references in a day. That has to be, like, a record. < 1285972011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, saw some joke about them once < 1285972021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on youtube iirc < 1285972025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey now little mouse / ... < 1285972028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THREE! < 1285972033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two from the same episode at that. < 1285972041 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Boîte Diabolique < 1285972048 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloody French. < 1285972056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was the first reference? < 1285972064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a lot of fun. You should learn to play it on the pan flute. < 1285972067 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Good enough? < 1285972081 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you could always research the applications of the Besselheim Plate to debugging. < 1285972085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5cWWV0KNDg#t=5m42s < 1285972090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Probably this. < 1285972091 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1285972094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5:42 timestamp is relevant. < 1285972098 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ohwait, I thought you were referring to a different Diabolique ... < 1285972105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5cWWV0KNDg#t=5m42s < 1285972107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you forgot youtube-dl < 1285972113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Which is why I mentioned the timestamp. < 1285972117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1285972132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it's the locked box at the upper end of a piano containing the 19 forbidden notes. < 1285972147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it 19? < 1285972153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look like that many to me. < 1285972176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens to Little Mouse < 1285972188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the Boîte Diabolique defies your uneducated counting. < 1285972205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You obviously haven't studied Look Around You — Maths in enough detail. < 1285972221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey now little mouse! / I hope we understand one another. < 1285972224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly inspirational lyrics. < 1285972234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still trying to work out how to get one of his science teachers to play Look Around You in a lesson. < 1285972245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then see how long it takes them to figure it out. < 1285972250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A few friends of mine have had it played to them without even asking. < 1285972257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, that was by cool teachers. < 1285972263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently most students Did Not Get The Joke. < 1285972276 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shh! < 1285972279 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm plotting! < 1285972326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'Cause I like you my friend, I respect you my friend, I'll encourage you my friend, through and throoouuugh..." < 1285972366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hird is vaguely similar to borg in syllable structure. also it's an archaic military collective noun in norwegian. < 1285972388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what's your opinion on lab pistol regulation? < 1285972395 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also part of the recursive expansion of Hurd. < 1285972411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm < 1285972430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Bokmål and Nynorsk; discuss. < 1285972431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it carries certain dangers, but is necessary for safe disposal of equipment and sulphagne test subjects. < 1285972471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *really* need to get some embossing tape and go nuts with it. < 1285972550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has had a sudden epileptic fit. < 1285972597 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *59 hour < 1285972649 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1285972652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: BAH < 1285972655 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it segfaults at -O0 too < 1285972656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1285972687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it segfaults at -O0 but not -O0 -g < 1285972689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's insane < 1285972691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1285972710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try messing about with -fomit-frame-pointer < 1285972716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as debug info can alter that sometimes < 1285972735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but neither -O0 nor -O0 -g has that on? < 1285972752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure? < 1285972762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may be being turned on elsewhere in the makefile < 1285972768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you implied that the makefile was insane < 1285972774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285972782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I checked it for such insaneness in this case < 1285972810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also hm, I really need some optimisation since this program really benefits from it < 1285972828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait hm, the stuff affecting -g would affect -DNDEBUG < 1285972832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even while debugging? < 1285972835 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe < 1285972842 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well no, but for it to be usable! < 1285972846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: check for side-effects in asserts < 1285972850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so easy to do that by mistake < 1285972854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's vaguely similar to "herd" (maybe cognates?) < 1285972855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it a couple of weeks ago, but noticed < 1285972858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed, but half the stuff is written in German < 1285972863 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is fairly large < 1285972877 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: kva med nynorsk? < 1285972928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought Bokmål/Nynorsk was a pretty heated topic in Norway and I wanted the lowdown from someone at least vaguely sane. < 1285972942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless that was a joke and was in Nynorsk or something, which is likely. < 1285972942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, while it compiles at -O0 I can listen to about 2 wesnoth songs, giving it about 7 minutes per compile < 1285972945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sigh < 1285972948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's not a heated topic among the vaguely sane, i should think < 1285972964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what's the vaguely sane's obvious-answer? < 1285972968 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I like your measurement of duration < 1285972969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it wasn't much of a joke < 1285972996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Just be happy he doesn't measure in symphonies. < 1285972997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually writing a Wesnoth campaign for fun atm < 1285973017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It took about 3 milisymphonies." < 1285973026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*millisymphonies < 1285973100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are a number of people who want to remove the obligatory teaching of the alternative language (mostly nynorsk) in school, and think it's sort of useless at least as a school subject < 1285973140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the languages different enough that children need to be taught them both to understand them both? < 1285973181 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285973183 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As far as I'm aware: not really. < 1285973186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. well some word choices can be different. but in norway you have to learn to understand different dialects anyhow. < 1285973205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so bokmal is what everyone uses? < 1285973210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would ask whether they're more or less similar than English and Scottish, but you probably don't know Scottish < 1285973212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(excuse my not using the correct letter) < 1285973220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Bokmål & Nynorsk are essentially two different percieved normative standards of Scandinavian. :) < 1285973224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Scottish is just a dialect of English, unless you mean Scots... < 1285973225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh the really weird word choices are gradually dying out, i think. < 1285973237 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Firefox < 1285973242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: not everyone, but 90% or so. < 1285973245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the language "Auld Lang Syne" is written in < 1285973253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: scots < 1285973254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's Scots. < 1285973256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok < 1285973260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I click a tab, I do NOT mean to close it < 1285973267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty close to English, but some of the words are different, and some of the grammar < 1285973292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mutually intelligible, is the word < 1285973295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is _one_ whole county which is nynorsk, the rest are either bokmål or split by municipality (which are mostly bokmål) < 1285973297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what's that almost-English language? < 1285973299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i mentioned once < 1285973301 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1285973304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you said it wouldn't make learning it harder? < 1285973312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: West Frysian? < 1285973316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounds confusing :) < 1285973322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep < 1285973324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The one that is essentially Middle English without the Latin? < 1285973331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1285973332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1285973335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall it being more similar < 1285973338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Scots has more to do with Middle English than Modern English, BTW. < 1285973352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what's that thing explaining atoms written in english without germanic stuff or something like that? < 1285973357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've forgotten the name < 1285973358 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Middle English is somewhat harder to read than Scots < 1285973362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although still possible, more or less < 1285973370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Middle English is very very close to English. < 1285973375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses a leading y for past participles, which is really confusing if you don't know German < 1285973387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, that's because Scots has followed a few of the orthographic changes in English. < 1285973389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, but the West Frysian Lord's Prayer isn't very intelligible to me < 1285973395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it probably is that < 1285973402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_language#Sample_Text < 1285973412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, that's because of the mostly-Germanic vocabulary. < 1285973423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: I like your measurement of duration <-- mhm < 1285973434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> also what's that thing explaining atoms written in english without germanic stuff or something like that? < 1285973434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> i've forgotten the name < 1285973477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but I ran out of wesnoth songs now. I would have to start repeating them < 1285973483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1285973484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess I need to move to something else < 1285973495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I often set them on a loop for an entire day or so < 1285973503 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I couldn't stand that :P < 1285973646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Scots is in the midst of language attrition, and hence is starting to gain a lot of features of Standard English... < 1285973666 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.language.artificial/msg/69250bac6c7cbaff < 1285973675 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY MUST ALL CORDS IN MY POSSESSION BREAK? < 1285973758 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285973764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hi! < 1285973796 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I had this dream where I was evaluating a homebrew OS that was based on FreeDOS or something < 1285973805 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0390.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1285973833 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it had something in it that emulated another OS, like a Commodore 64 or something (I know that's not an OS but this was a dream, right?) < 1285973851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, had it been coded by a shoe with multiple personality disorder? < 1285973858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, heh < 1285973865 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when you quit the OS (again, this was a dream), it popped up a message like those old shareware nag boxes < 1285973885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1285973887 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And part of this message was written by alise < 1285973913 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it was encouraging us to consider what it would be like if operating systems could emulate each other through successive fractal refinement of their semantics < 1285973937 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all < 1285973974 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, other than after reading that, in the dream, it was clear this was some open-source project that alise contributed to, and that it worked something like that, but in an unrefined way < 1285973988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had a dream that was internally consistent? < 1285973993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rare for mine to be like that < 1285973997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but while asleep, I don't notice the inconsistencies < 1285974021 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, parts of it were. < 1285974028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or I notice one which is comparatively minor compared to all the rest < 1285974030 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine do tend to be a mix < 1285974037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that instantly causes me to realise I'm asleep, and wake up < 1285974054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really keep a set of maps near my bed, the most common side-effect is that I completely lose track of local geography < 1285974112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : And it was encouraging us to consider what it would be like if operating systems could emulate each other through successive fractal refinement of their semantics <-- wow, the mind boggles < 1285974149 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, one more detail: this OS was called "Ancestor" < 1285974151 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh... < 1285974160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, did Wikipedia just go down? < 1285974164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hey this would make a good sci fi story < 1285974193 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, works for me, but slow < 1285974193 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, working again now < 1285974194 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't notice. < 1285974238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, how can one refine semantics with fractional dimension? < 1285974300 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: as Vorpal said, the mind boggles. < 1285974321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does fractional dimensions actually imply self-similartiy < 1285974326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*similarity? < 1285974379 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: almost certainly not < 1285974382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of some thoughts I was having on data types shorter than a bit < 1285974445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, "Ancestor" is a good name for an OS. the "successive fractal refinement" sounds like a perfect technobabel to introduce AI. Just two things left: decide if the AI is good or bad (no one writes stories about AIs that are somewhere in between those extremes), and actually write the story < 1285974470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should easily be able to get a fractal dimension from a splitting up in which you make every part _different_ in a recursive but non-repeating way, i think < 1285974501 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think what that could be. < 1285974535 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you split up as a triangle on the top, then as a square in one part, a pentagon in another, etc. etc... < 1285974551 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that should work < 1285974627 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it seems to me i've seen or thought of that before (possibly as a logo program) < 1285974647 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not from the angle of "hey this is a fractal but isn't self-similar" < 1285974654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, here's a possible encoding for a trit that contains exactly one trit of data: 0: 01 preceded by any even number of 0; 1: 10 preceded by any even number of 0; 2: 11 preceded by any even number of 0 < 1285974670 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285974677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are multiple possible encodings for each value, you can use those as part of representing another value < 1285974707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what? < 1285974712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you can combine it with an encoding for a quint: 0 = 00, 1 = 01, 2 = 10, 3 = 11, 4 = use secondary encoding for previous trit < 1285974734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, isn't a trit just like base 3 iirc? < 1285974738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the trit plus the quint together fit into 4 bits nicely, with a bit left over (which is managed using the tertiary encoding for the trit) < 1285974745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but this is representing a trit using bits < 1285974758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the crazy part that alise will love: remove the first bit from that encoding of a trit < 1285974766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you now have something that equals one trit minus one bit < 1285974776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is less than a bit of data < 1285974781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1285974795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have two possible values, 0 and 1; but they may inject more data into other parts of the program, depending on the context) < 1285974804 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1285974812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, say, you can add an extra bit and an extra quint, and /still/ fit it into four bits < 1285974820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1285974825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you couldn't do if you started with an actual bit < 1285974826 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is quite absurd :D < 1285974829 0 :Wamanuz!~Markus@194.236.14.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285974852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huffman coding can be generalised based on a similar principle, and in the limit you get arithmetic coding < 1285974932 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1285975142 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, i'll be blunt. i have never understood why it always takes more than one bit to represent the information present in less than one bit < 1285975165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it takes more than one bit to /exploit/ that information < 1285975180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have less than a bit of information, anything that encodes it must contain padding < 1285975187 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "exploit", "observe", "make relevant"... < 1285975201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you encode that less-than-a-bit, and something else as well, and fit it into a smaller size than the bit + the something else < 1285975261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be blunt I have a trouble with "less than one bit of information" < 1285975314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, consider run-length encoding < 1285975315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess imagining something with 0.5 logical states is just not possible < 1285975324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes I know how it works in compression < 1285975335 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: String of 0 or 1s where one can do better than coinflip to predict the next bit has less than 1 bit of information per bit. < 1285975342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but I never imagine that as "half-bits" or such < 1285975347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a simple one: count, value < 1285975354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just get the count, and the count has a value of 1 < 1285975359 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the count contains less than a bit of info < 1285975363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you still need the count to know what the next bit is < 1285975365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1285975382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*next byte < 1285975385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*still need the value < 1285975387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285975402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it contains only a very small amount of info, in that you know that the byte after is not the same as the next byte < 1285975414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only a small fraction of a bit of info < 1285975433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how large fraction? < 1285975438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, this is counterbalanced by the case that a count of, say, 200, would contain a lot more than a bit of info, if you assume the original to be randomly distributed < 1285975440 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5? 0.2? something else? < 1285975441 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: less than 1% < 1285975445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a bit < 1285975446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how do you decide that < 1285975459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I can't think of a sensible way to put a number to that < 1285975461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it allows you to encode 256 possibilities in something that only has 255 possible states < 1285975472 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like if you have string of n bits, where probability of 0 is 75% and probabilty of 1 is 25% and bits are independent, then on average you need about 0.8113n bits to reprent it (as n grows without bound). < 1285975475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's log_2(256/255) bits < 1285975500 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eh < 1285975501 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*represent < 1285975506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.005646564 bits according to my calculator < 1285975520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, if your compression scheme does that a lot, it's not a very good compression scheme :) < 1285975633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1285975654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I still don't get " because it allows you to encode 256 possibilities in something that only has 255 possible states" < 1285975672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because you know that the next byte is not the same as the current one < 1285975677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as otherwise the run count would have been more than 1 < 1285975729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285975756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, still it is only less than a bit in the encoding scheme < 1285975762 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is actually one physical bit < 1285975795 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probably more if stored on a harddrive, what with their crazy RLL stuff (or whatever they use nowdays) < 1285975881 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can think of it this way: divide the entire future into two halves: one if you see 0, the other if you see 1. Based on what you've seen so far, you might be able to rule out parts of the future, even if you can't cleanly divide it in half like that. < 1285975903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say "world" instead of "future" initially; either works, kind of. < 1285975906 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, mhm < 1285975934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION splits it in technobabel interpretation of quantum physics < 1285975968 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, this is not quite the same lines as: struct foo { int bar:8; int baz:0.33; } < 1285975980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, indeed not < 1285975985 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or however C does bit-sizing of structurs < 1285975990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen that in a long time < 1285975998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I think it does it that way < 1285975999 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1285976009 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meaning of that int baz:0.33; escapes me < 1285976020 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Zoidberg < 1285976020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C sensibly define it as compile time error presumably < 1285976029 0 :Zoidberg!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1285976049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, however, now define an esolang where something like "struct foo { int bar:8; int baz:0.33; }" would have a sensible meaning < 1285976055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must! < 1285976062 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want to be able to store an integer between 0 and 0.33 here" < 1285976083 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but "integer between 0 and 8" isn't what bar:8 means < 1285976084 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY < 1285976086 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^0.33 < 1285976093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means an integer of 8 bits < 1285976097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, right < 1285976146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, -1 presumably < 1285976164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 1 bit is not "between 0 and 2^1" (that would be 0,1,2) < 1285976173 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming a closed range) < 1285976181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/range/interval( < 1285976188 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/(/\// < 1285976220 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1285976230 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^(-0.67) < 1285976234 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1285976238 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, no < 1285976243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the -1 is outside the exponent < 1285976245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what I said < 1285976256 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1285976259 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 bits: 2^8 = 256, 2^8-1 = 255 < 1285976262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 2^7 < 1285976262 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285976266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1285976289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so .33 bits is a value between 0 and 0.25701337452182837 (approx) < 1285976314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, have fun assigning a sensible meaning to that < 1285976325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I look forward to seeing the results, but now I must sleep < 1285976328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1285976337 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait < 1285976346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it need not be sensible < 1285976353 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1285976356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as it is fun and actually works in the esolang < 1285976365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know what I mean) < 1285976369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really → < 1285976477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, and um, more implementable than TURKEY BOMB < 1285976490 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not saying it has to be easy, just not impossible) < 1285976497 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night really argh → < 1285976777 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say that it is impossible is a half-truth < 1285977446 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285978210 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct z { int a:0.5; int b:0.5; } < 1285978226 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fair to say I can store the integer 0, and no other integers, in a < 1285978229 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto b < 1285978255 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also fair to say I can store the integers 0 and 1 in z, by the rules of C < 1285978288 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but casting seems like cheating < 1285978316 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that's as close as i'm going to attempt atm < 1285978414 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm thinking is if you can store 6 values in a and 5 values in b then you should be able to store 30 values... you could somehow base it off that idea < 1285978455 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1285978980 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285979049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285979083 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1285979130 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-70-79.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285979130 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1285979130 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1285979448 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1285979787 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285979873 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this conversation about again? < 1285979876 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :myndzi < 1285979892 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something i'm somewhat familiar with, but i can't extract a summary from the scrollback easily :P < 1285979902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractional bits of information < 1285979905 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285979925 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah, but i mean, you just decided to talk about that or there was some specific thing (encoding, problem, whatever) that kicked it off? < 1285979943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just talking about fractals < 1285979946 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1285979947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which have fractional dimensions < 1285979965 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should tell you guys about my script to encode binary data in mirc control codes < 1285979967 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1285979982 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only grows the size by 272% < 1285979985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :P < 1285979990 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty good considering the previous incarnation was like 400% :P < 1285979999 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just base64 it? < 1285980004 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's visible < 1285980015 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is to encode data but not clutter the screen with said data < 1285980023 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since the control codes are non printing characters) < 1285980023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: wouldn't work here alas, lame +c ;) < 1285980028 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1285980033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My system will display control codes. < 1285980034 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how i hate that mode < 1285980035 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1285980041 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'm sorry for your system < 1285980041 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1285980063 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it's the encoding that's interesting not its use (i haven't really made use of it since i never finished the script it was intended for) < 1285980065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not mirc control codes < 1285980066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colours etc. < 1285980073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Aaah. < 1285980078 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should have said formatting codes < 1285980083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Are mIRC control codes using the 8th bit of the 7-bit ASCII? < 1285980086 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :control was a poorly chosen word < 1285980090 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1285980092 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are all <32 < 1285980118 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, that pesky 8th bit gives some fun results on misconfigured linux clients when used in conjunction with unicode ;) < 1285980129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invert/italics is tab, fun fun < 1285980140 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some irc clients will pass the utf-8 data as-is but you can hide C2 control codes in valid UTF-8 values < 1285980143 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My system will render many of those using inverse-color and the ^F^O^O notation, IIRC. < 1285980157 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse (invert?) is 22 < 1285980163 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :italics is new, but i thought it was not 9 < 1285980173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1285980173 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm not using mirc 7 yet so i don't have it included in my encoding < 1285980175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ^I is something < 1285980178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :konversation thinks it's italics < 1285980182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which causes ais523 no end of trouble < 1285980187 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^i is tab < 1285980194 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on mirc 6.5 at least < 1285980194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1285980197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least one client thinks it's italics < 1285980201 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirc isn't the only client to implement its own stuff < 1285980210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1285980212 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :virc(?) has rgb color codes < 1285980219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, using control codes is pretty silly in general. < 1285980219 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe xircon, i forget which < 1285980229 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, but they can come in useful sometimes i guess < 1285980241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And evil if it's XON or XOFF. :P < 1285980242 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my rule of thumb is to avoid them in "public" < 1285980263 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as evil as sending telnet codes that do fun things to people using telnet :) < 1285980281 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or using my utf-8 trick to issue arbitrary ansi codes to someone's terminal < 1285980281 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1285980293 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what i WAS talking about was my encoding < 1285980306 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally i just took the easy way out and used ^kN,NN or ^kNN < 1285980312 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 3-digit decimal or 2-digit decimal values < 1285980318 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is obviously not very efficient < 1285980319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My rule of thumb is that all text on the Internet should be valid UTF-8, and normalised using NFC. < 1285980328 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: See if that trick works on my terminal, or if PuTTY will remove overlong encodings (if that is what you are doing?) < 1285980332 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1285980349 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'll look it up, lemme finish typing < 1285980361 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one, mirc has more than just ^k < 1285980378 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for another, ^k has like 7 valid distinct uses < 1285980396 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wound up creating a script to find how many permutations of valid color code sequences could be had from N bytes < 1285980404 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :color/formatting code, i mean < 1285980419 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal ASCII escape codes will just be reformatted by PHIRC, though < 1285980429 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one byte could be any of the single byte values, or you could have 2, 3, 4, 6, or 7 byte color codes < 1285980455 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did that wrong... 2, 3, 5, 6 < 1285980460 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my client deliberately does not parse IRC color codes < 1285980461 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1285980479 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i found one that came close to a similar amount of values as a binary bit border < 1285980491 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and learned that i could get an extra bit if i used it twice < 1285980505 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Reasonable decision, actually. < 1285980510 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's pretty close to in synch with binary, would take a lot of extra work to approach the limit which isn't much less than 272% < 1285980523 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now the values depend on the codes, as well as the pattern of their ordering < 1285980535 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty neat :) < 1285980540 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the utf-8 thing < 1285980564 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It just displays color codes using the notation it normally uses for control characters, which is uppercase letter, black on magenta background) < 1285980596 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's C1 not C2, silly me < 1285980598 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will parse some control codes used commonly on IRC, though, if /SET FORMAT + < 1285980612 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C0_and_C1_control_codes#C1_.28ISO_8859_and_Unicode.29 < 1285980621 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether C1 control codes are enabled in PuTTY < 1285980622 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of those can be embedded as the second byte of a utf-8 sequence < 1285980631 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if there is a way to turn them off < 1285980637 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most irc clients screen out terminal codes but they let this one pass because they see it as valid utf-8 < 1285980653 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what linux foos get for bitching about people fucking up their screen... eventually i get curious and find what happened and then they get exploited ;) < 1285980720 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess 155 is the ansi code thing < 1285980730 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :194 155 followed by an ansi sequence should do it < 1285980766 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a mode to disable C1 escape codes? < 1285980770 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :›30;40m black on black(?) < 1285980776 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(PHIRC doesn't actually know anything about UTF-8) < 1285980782 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, guess it would depend on your terminal configuration < 1285980788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, you could normalise your Unicode. < 1285980792 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you should be fine, since it'll only see the C1 code and block it < 1285980825 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: That did not change the color. I can see a block followed by "30;40m" and the text < 1285980837 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1285980839 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can see it is fine < 1285980846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: ^[30;40m < 1285980848 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might have done it wrong, i kinda f orget < 1285980858 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway, that symbol is not the same as ctrl+[ < 1285980862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1285980878 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a C1 code that can also be used to introduce ansi codes < 1285980879 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You normally do escape and a left square bracket, that is the CSI code < 1285980889 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i successfully spoofed my nick to a vulnerable client while testing once < 1285980891 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C1 though, CSI code is a single character < 1285980899 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1285980939 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always wondered why it was esc then [ when i was a kid < 1285980942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moral of the story: actually parse your damned text right. :P < 1285980945 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i know it is because esc is ctrl+[ < 1285980954 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well that's the thing, the irc client IS parsing the text correctly < 1285980958 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1285980975 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irc client thinks the terminal can display utf-8 < 1285980981 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the terminal actually cannot or is not configured to < 1285981038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: (Esc+[)3 is... not a valid UTF-8 sequence. < 1285981069 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what i sent < 1285981077 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sent 194 155, which is valid utf-8 < 1285981090 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 155 is also C1 for CSI introducer < 1285981095 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yeah. It is. < 1285981120 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me sorta of another fun bug i found once < 1285981124 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is up to the terminal program to parse UTF-8 codes (or whatever other encoding it is configured to use), so if a malformed UTF-8 code is sent with a ASCII control character immediately after a UTF-8 begin code, PHIRC will convert it to escape codes before the terminal sees it < 1285981135 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certain versions of psybnc were vulnerable to a weird thing that let you basically spoof messages from the irc server < 1285981172 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ...wat? < 1285981190 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like undesirable behavior; i mean, it is a legit utf-8 code and should not be interpreted as a control code < 1285981191 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You tried C1 codes, now try sending an overlong encoding of the C0 escape codes, to see if this program will block it. < 1285981213 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you are referring to by that < 1285981221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: What's the actual Unicode code point for that combination? < 1285981237 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be undefined haha, i don't know, but it still shouldn't be taken to be an escape code < 1285981238 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: But multi-byte UTF-8 codes never contain 7-bit ASCII codes. < 1285981251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Unicode code point: the number it decodes to. < 1285981255 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not 7-bit ascii < 1285981257 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The high bit is set to indicate it is a UTF-8 code. < 1285981259 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1285981261 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be umm < 1285981277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter if it's not assigned. :) < 1285981297 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10011011 < 1285981303 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually decodes to 155 < 1285981310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+155? < 1285981319 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess so < 1285981340 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it was important that it do so anymore < 1285981357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, no; the Unicode code points are usually listed in hex. Anyways. < 1285981370 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sometimes a null character is encoded using overlong encoding so that you can have embedded nulls in a string that is used in a program that uses null terminated strings) < 1285981442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's U+9B. "CONTROL SEQUENCE INTRODUCER". < 1285981483 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1285981486 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :P < 1285981488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: the client should *probably* be removing that anyways. < 1285981499 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that it actually encoded to that value haha < 1285981510 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess you could change it to whatever you wanted < 1285981515 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by mangling the first few bits < 1285981519 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first byte could be many things < 1285981523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, 0x00 through 0xFF are from Latin-1. < 1285981536 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1285981542 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i knew that, actually < 1285981556 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why i chose 194, maybe i forgot what the bug was about < 1285981563 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be that the client was just decoding it and not blocking it < 1285981592 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i see... sorta. by overlong, you mean a utf-8 value that doesn't need 3 bytes but uses 3, for example? < 1285981607 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1285981611 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11000000 10000000 < 1285981637 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-null? < 1285981640 0 :Kordalien!~chatzilla@adsl-71-141-89-187.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1285981644 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't decode here haha < 1285981701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got rendered as though it were Latin-1 here. < 1285981714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(typical for handling invalid UTF-8) < 1285982288 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1285983853 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got a shaded block, it is what this program does for invalid codes, I think < 1285983876 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Yes that is what I mean by overlong encodings < 1285985363 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285986446 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1285986457 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one hand, the system didn't just roll over and give me someone else's grades < 1285986487 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, it did display an error message with a stack trace, and my understanding is that that's the wrong way to configure web services < 1285987337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axioms! < 1285987629 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285987675 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if this is accurate, but I just described Objective-C as a mashup of Smalltalk and C, and that the whole is less than the sum of its parts < 1285987684 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just added "(Note: I never learned Objective-C, so that last thought is possibly unfounded)" < 1285987738 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194-236-14-54.customer.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285988016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: objective-c is an alright language. < 1285988024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not creative but it's well-designed < 1285988033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it inherits smalltalk's excellent object model < 1285988078 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TBH, I've kind of fallen in love with CLOS-style object models < 1285988088 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prepares to be slapped < 1285988155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have never fallen in love with anything. < 1285988166 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1285988169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Sgeo -----### < 1285988192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make sideways glances at the cleavage of languages over the period of a few days. :P < 1285988383 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sidelong < 1285988547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you have any other interests besides programming?" "I like to read and watch fiction" < 1285988581 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is in full-on giggle mode < 1285988587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny because to me the word fiction means novels because I don't know what words mean < 1285988635 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm laughing because it's a very general statement that applies to pretty much everyone < 1285988680 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not to illiterate persons before TV I guess < 1285988761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Then it's going to be s/read/listen to/ < 1285988790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plays used to be popular entertainment, you know. As well as story-telling. < 1285989043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I just wish we had Hamlet on the TV every day. :P < 1285989127 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, WTF < 1285989207 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is webchat.freenode.net down? < 1285989280 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you touch yourself at night. < 1285989330 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels sorry for anyone who won't allow themselves to < 1285989352 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : STOP IT! STOP TURNING EVERYTHING SEXUAL < 1285989387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1285989387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1285989392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's joke is meant to be sexual < 1285989393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cliche < 1285989397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1285989399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ... you just ... lose < 1285989409 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But last time Gregor said something like that, and I responded, you called me out < 1285989418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ♥ clichés. < 1285989420 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Unicode. < 1285989428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely ♥ Unicode. < 1285989454 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ? Unicode too *ducks* < 1285989473 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ♥ the compose key < 1285989476 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ♥ diæresis marks and ligatures. I can never think of a word with a diæresis when I need one ... < 1285989485 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :… < 1285989504 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1285989512 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :……… < 1285989522 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good way to tell if you're using fixed-width or not < 1285989548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fix your encoding you fool. < 1285989560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No! It is integral that oerjan sees Unicode as ?. < 1285989563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is part of our culture. < 1285989564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You naïve simpleton. < 1285989565 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fix your sarcasm-detector you fool. < 1285989566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our culture is a shabby one. < 1285989579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan does actually see unicode as ? < 1285989591 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can never think of a /contextuälly-relevant/ diæresis when I need one. < 1285989602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ⁵ < 1285989613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP USING DIAERESES ON WORDS THAT DON'T EITHER HAVE HYPHENS IN THEM OR ARE OFTEN WRITTEN WITH ONE < 1285989620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably pikhq was meaning that oerjan should fix the encoding he *sees*, not sends, and Gregor misinterpreted this < 1285989625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more you know ****************=> < 1285989630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1285989633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :===========================* < 1285989634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1285989649 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a big-ass encyclopedia. What a big ass-encyclopedia. What a big assencyclopædia < 1285989680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a bigassencyclopædia. < 1285989689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Encyclopedia Copronomicon < 1285989725 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Coppro-nomicon < 1285989730 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1285989730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1285989733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coppro-nomic-on < 1285989736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro plays nomic < 1285989739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG SONCPIRACY < 1285989742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1285989745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :son c piracy < 1285989748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :son coppro piracy < 1285989748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG SONGPIRACY < 1285989751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro is someone's son < 1285989756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro is a member of the pirate party < 1285989759 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't know that. < 1285989762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG THE COINCIDENCES < 1285989769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITS SO METAPHYSIC < 1285989782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes... yes we do :P < 1285989822 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :through long and tortured logic < 1285989933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Eliezer Yudkowsky writing fanfiction is somehow using my brain power as CPU for the seed AI he's designed. < 1285989940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yudkowsky's fanfiction < 1285990790 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gnu.org/software/plotutils/ : GNU totally does not name things in intentionally ambiguous ways. < 1285990814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Groan. < 1285990895 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285990953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plotu tils! Plo Tutils! < 1285990972 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Tutils of the Palestinian Liberation Organization? < 1285990976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1285990978 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1285990984 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRA Tutils! < 1285991069 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're quite IRAte < 1285991177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRA Tutus < 1285991518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mess with my tutus < 1285992090 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1285992105 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I only need to do one problem for this chapter < 1285992113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the choices is knapsack stuff < 1285992117 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard could it be? < 1285992170 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1285992178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NP? < 1285992184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(EVERYONE: DO NOT NITPICK JOKES) < 1285992195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("HOW HARD" "NP" IS FUNNY, NO MATTER -- SO SHUT UP) < 1285992204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(DO NOT SAY "BUT NP-HARD") < 1285992241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, technically I made no errors anyway. A joke well-executed. < 1285992465 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea of a way of UTF-8 parsing: [Step 1] Control characters [Step 2] Decode numbers [Step 3] Unicode to unicode conversion [Step 4] Render output < 1285992487 0 :mtve!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1285992518 0 :mtve!~mtve@65.98.99.53 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285992529 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: except for the error of a paranoid implosion? < 1285992595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Implicatory! Verisimilitude was EXTINCT; by then, at least. < 1285992651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implicatorial sesquipedalism < 1285992872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, aren't we the orthodontist! Stricken, quickly, he fell; his loquaciousness now evaporated, he graduated losing, summa cum laude, and expired. < 1285992998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION straightens alise's teeth with the saucepan ===\__/ < 1285993117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I created your being; post hoc ergo propter hoc axiomatic, fallacies embedded into the velvet that defines you, it; machinery whirrs and purrs and ASCII saucepans confers. < 1285993124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1285993126 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1285993127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1285993244 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All homework done < 1285993275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION confers with his saucepan ===\__/ *OUCH* < 1285993349 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing about tex4ht: Makes fairly-nice HTML output from LaTeX. < 1285993362 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad thing about tex4ht: Main developer is dead, last release was a few days before his death ... < 1285993462 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there C compilers that cannot turn off trigraphs inside of a string? If there are some common ones, it might be necessary to add a option to Enhanced CWEB to tell it to change ? in a string to \? (and also to replace high characters with their escape sequence, if that might also be necessary) < 1285993616 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fecking trigraphs X_X < 1285993625 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most C compilers have the ability to turn off trigraphs /entirely/ < 1285993724 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In GCC they're off unless you ask for them) < 1285993747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely hopes he doesn't get in trouble for the ticket he just submitted < 1285993758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I recently received an error message. The cause isn't important (I was experimenting < 1285993758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if I could do something I shouldn't be able to, but was unable to do it),..." < 1285993782 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a white-hat hacker." < 1285993785 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He's a hacker, lock 'im up!" < 1285993786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bad thing about tex4ht: Main developer is dead, last release was a few days before his death ... < 1285993791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and I still can't find anywhere to put the body. < 1285993844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1285993847 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did he die? < 1285993852 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Doesn't say. < 1285993861 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "unexpectedly" < 1285993872 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often does somebody young enough to be writing tex4ht die expectedly though :P < 1285994141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He died from latex poisoning. < 1285994148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs to #ubuntu -> < 1285994153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN CAN'T CATCH M-- < 1285994250 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If needed, you could create a TeX macro package that allows output to both DVI and HTML (and possibly also XML and other formats too if required) < 1285994552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u run thru #ubuntu < 1285994688 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, that's what tex4ht is :P (AFAIK) < 1285994877 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't think so. (And I think tex4ht is designed for LaTeX, anyways) What I meant is writing a macro package that you use commands in it that can make it work for both DVI and HTML and other formats output. < 1285995058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So if you don't use LaTeX, watch out! < 1285995218 0 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1285995295 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, trigraphs. The only thing worse than digraphs. < 1285995321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually. Digraphs aren't *that* bad. < 1285995328 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trigraphs are just head-poundingly awful. < 1285995359 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX trigraphs are very useful, even though C trigraphs are bad and useless. < 1285995382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C digraphs are handled during tokenization, unlike trigraphs. < 1285995386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing worse and monographs. < 1285995388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making them automatically an improvement. < 1285995412 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, trigraphs are basically done via sed before compilation) < 1285995419 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/and/are/ X_X < 1285995456 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/are/is/? Idonno, that whole sentence was grammatically dubious. < 1285995464 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, nonsense. < 1285995488 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do suppose C digraphs are better than C trigraphs in that way. < 1285995539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digraphs at least don't cause completely unexpected parses. < 1285995616 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But TeX trigraphs are a bit different, because you can use them for many purposes and you can even change how trigraphs are parsed by changing the category codes. < 1285995792 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, the utfeight.tex program will convert numbers to hex and then make them into trigraphs send to output file, and then input them again (this time TeX will parse the trigraphs), in order to make definitions for all active characters which can be used as part of UTF-8 codes. < 1285995976 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lovely quote from wikipedia < 1285995980 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"more realistically, CERN's Large Hadron Collider is the subject of a CERN-produced rap video" < 1285996006 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a variant of TeX in one day when I get a chance to do so. What programs would I need to do so? One change I want to add is to make a new trigraph which forces the next character to be treated as a certain character code. For example ^^xd? will make a ? which is a active character. < 1285996071 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another change I want to make is removing the \outer command. < 1285996142 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And adding new kind of definitions, such as \idef \progdef \catdef < 1285996163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: more realistic than what? :P < 1285996189 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know! < 1285996190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does \outer do zzo38? < 1285996204 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more realistic than Stephen Hawking MCing maybe < 1285996222 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The \outer command prevents a command from occuring as part of a macro expansion. < 1285996260 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can be worked around using \write and \input although I think it is better that the \outer command is not there at all) < 1285996309 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing I want is to allow \long to be prepended to the use of a macro instead of only allowing it prepending a definition of a macro. < 1285996585 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAHAHAHAHAH < 1285996590 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEED SWAP SPACE < 1285996595 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries < 1285996698 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a way to read in a list, box, and tokens, in ways that they can then be processed by other TeX codes. And a command \glueset to access the glue set value of a box. < 1285996862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. Bye. < 1285996868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1285997496 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as: \convbox or something like that. < 1285998427 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1285999145 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trigraphs in TeX are even usable to create trigraphs, example: \message{^^5e^5e} --> ^ < 1285999200 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\message{^^5e^5e^21} --> ! < 1285999516 0 :Slereah!~nigger@ANantes-259-1-126-228.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286001292 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286001732 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Etruscans < 1286001784 0 :Etruscans!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1286002655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286003483 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286003506 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286005734 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I am, in fact, a member of the pirate party < 1286006051 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you have to do if you are a member? < 1286006063 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1286006106 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the meaning of being a member, then? < 1286006118 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think they're going to try to have me chair the online meetings on the basis that I seem to be good at this thin (they're not the online ones. The president of the math society at waterloo wanted me installed as speaker after she'd known me for a week and a half) < 1286006124 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to indicate support < 1286006124 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286006140 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286006175 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe in future...? < 1286006221 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: O, did you ever read mathNEWS? < 1286006303 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do you know of mathNEWS? < 1286006355 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, being a member carries benefits that you might expect of any similar organization - I have a vote < 1286006359 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember where/when I first figured out about it, or how. < 1286006387 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've never been to UW? < 1286006399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286006400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286006465 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never been to UW. < 1286006506 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, yes, I know of mathNEWS. I even wrote two articles in the most recent issue and contributed a significant portion of the profQUOTES < 1286006522 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1286006653 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you write about? < 1286006738 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, I found a copy of the articles now and I think I know which one you might have written) < 1286006798 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1286006839 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, lol someone who reads the website.. < 1286006856 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that you know then about the E is for Idiot issue? < 1286006895 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you write the article titled "Reminder: Games Nights Exist"? (I guess based on the information I have) < 1286006917 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct, that was one < 1286006938 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one should also be obvious if you /whois me < 1286006970 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I did use the WHOIS command. I also saw "coppro!~scshunt" so I guess, and then did WHOIS to check more < 1286007087 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know about the E is for Idiot issue. What is the date for that issue? < 1286007255 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1286007266 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in it there was an article entitled E is for Idiot, that got them sued < 1286007277 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because apparently it was defamatory < 1286007304 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they settled on posting an apology to their website, which they consider doing almost nothing because the website is not designed to be useful < 1286007312 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so virtually no one reads it < 1286007375 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, pencil policy is hilariou < 1286007377 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hilarious < 1286007650 0 :Kordalien!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286008020 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286008228 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a question about your opinion about code generation in Enhanced CWEB using interpreted C codes. The question is what commands you would find useful to be built-in that can be accessed by C interpreter, for code generation? < 1286008284 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recompiling a specific function < 1286008337 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give an example? < 1286008374 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, suppose I have a function and change its definition; it would be nice to tell the compiler to recompile it < 1286008381 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for simple functions, even from within the interpreter itself < 1286008589 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite understand. Can you give a more specific example of what you are trying to do? < 1286009288 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C compiler does not work that way? Enhanced CWEB cannot change the way the C compiler works! < 1286010413 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286010630 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286010702 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-2-65.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286011603 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286012075 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1286013811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286014074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:25:06 0.005646564 bits according to my calculator ← does lambdabot not do logs? < 1286014082 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type log < 1286014083 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Floating a) => a -> a < 1286014114 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, um, anything wrong with using a calculator still? < 1286014148 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it requires that you reach for the calculator and hit buttons on that, then type the result into the channel. < 1286014183 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, he didn't say he meant a physical calculator. Could have been dc or such < 1286014209 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing logs with dc is probably indicative of something in the DSM. < 1286014236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hah, well some other computer based calculator then < 1286014323 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you know that bc was traditionally implemented in dc? < 1286014332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1286014346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and bc has log < 1286014352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I can't find it in dc < 1286014358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this scares me < 1286014366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As part of an extra library which IIRC is written in bc. < 1286014405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, still, writing an infix calculator in bc is probably indicative of multiple things in DSM < 1286014425 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1286014427 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in dc" < 1286014429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1286014452 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt profoundly that bc was ever written in raw dc. < 1286014463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what do you mean then < 1286014465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc doesn't have anything near the I/O capabilities. < 1286014505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wikipedia: < 1286014507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an example, here is an implementation of the Euclidean algorithm to find the GCD: < 1286014507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dc -e '??[dSarLa%d0 Gregor: I am, in fact, a member of the pirate party < 1286031744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure he meant the male part < 1286031748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:54:11 What do you have to do if you are a member? < 1286031748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:54:23 nothing < 1286031748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:55:06 What is the meaning of being a member, then? < 1286031748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286031792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:59:47 you've never been to UW? < 1286031792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's in high school < 1286031851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: this "mathNEWS" is hopelessly shoddy -- < 1286031853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Indeed, vi is nothing more than a wrapper script for the command ex, which is itself a wrapper for ed" < 1286031877 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, though < 1286031883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't < 1286031885 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm not sure what u mean < 1286031893 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF COURSE IT IS < 1286031898 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ed is a wrapper for cat < 1286031899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ ls -l $(which vi) < 1286031900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2010-09-12 03:11 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi < 1286031900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/vi < 1286031900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2010-09-12 03:11 /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim.tiny < 1286031900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/vim.tiny < 1286031900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 754744 2010-04-16 14:33 /usr/bin/vim.tiny < 1286031902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/ex < 1286031904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2010-09-12 03:11 /usr/bin/ex -> /etc/alternatives/ex < 1286031906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/ex < 1286031908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2010-09-12 03:11 /etc/alternatives/ex -> /usr/bin/vim.tiny < 1286031910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex is a *symlink* to vi on most systems. < 1286031916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a wrapper script. and not the other way around < 1286031919 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286031922 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because they did < 1286031924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and furthermore ex is an entirely separate editor, nothing to do with ed, merely inspired by it < 1286031925 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv ex vi < 1286031941 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they did mv ex ed < 1286031946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: if you're trying to troll, it's incredibly boring and obvious; if you're actually serious, you're just stupid < 1286031953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you're trying to make a joke, it isn't funny) < 1286031960 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you ever think i was serious with that? < 1286032025 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to reconstruct the thought process < 1286032039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you've said similarly silly things before :) < 1286032041 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it "wow, that guy cheater99 TOTALLY doesn't know the difference between ed and ex!" < 1286032042 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286032050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a second :P < 1286032057 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolled! < 1286032057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm *fairly* sure they're just < 1286032059 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286032063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a) using a lenient definition of "script", and < 1286032077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b) apparently not required to actually look at ex to decide what it does < 1286032092 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they're just trolling too. < 1286032097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The whole article is an unfunny joke; it provides an "implementation" of ed in Python that just reads input up until a "q" and outputs ?.) < 1286032104 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, vim is just a wrapper around vi with some added bash scripts < 1286032106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure the introductory sentences are serious. < 1286032112 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and emacs is a wrapper around screen and vim. < 1286032146 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, if you hadn't heard yet, erlang is just a wrapper around lisp < 1286032164 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, lisp is a wrapper around haskell, and haskell is a wrapper around erlang < 1286032169 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one has solved that problem yet < 1286032300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang is also a wrapper around BANCStar < 1286032418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ok i take it back, prof quotes more than makes up for it (i will not support your insipid logotype capitalisation) < 1286032438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i seem to use insipid to mean much more than it actually does :) < 1286032516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I was giving a tour of the observatory one day and ended up explaining how the stars are actually like the Sun, just really far away. It was great to catch people up from the 15th century." ;; i have had to do this more than i would like < 1286032536 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286032892 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286033011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjanerer < 1286033027 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION oerjaneers < 1286033269 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: see, you got the hang of it < 1286033325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Doing logs with dc is probably indicative of something in the DSM. < 1286033331 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1286033348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, apparently MI2's soundtrack WAS actually designed for MT-32. < 1286033356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just the intro music that sounds a bit odd. < 1286033436 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roland mt-32? < 1286033438 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1286033445 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286033450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: sure, just like the MI1 soundtrack < 1286033455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the Space Quest soundtracks < 1286033463 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i was thinking mission impossible 2 < 1286033465 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not monkey island < 1286033466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1286033469 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know about monkey island < 1286033473 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 It's only been 2 months since anyone last made a commit! WRONG 8 WEEKS < 1286033645 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ohh < 1286033646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: (Especially the special remapping ones where they change the entire sound, which a *lot* of games do.) < 1286033648 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ok got it < 1286033655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Doing logs with dc is probably indicative of something in the DSM. < 1286033656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I'm sure it's *possible*, but you sure as heck can't get ScummVM to do it. < 1286033662 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :233| Doing logs with dc is probably indicative of something in the DSM. < 1286033662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is basically the only reason to do it. < 1286033678 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286033686 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1286033693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait now it _reused_ the number D: < 1286033694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Pirated MT-32 ROMs (or you could *manually* remove them... !) plus the emulator does a very good job. < 1286033700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still doesn't sound analogue though. < 1286033701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 233 < 1286033701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when? < 1286033705 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :233| Doing logs with dc is probably indicative of something in the DSM. < 1286033727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 233 for both Vorpal and last Phantom_Hoover quote < 1286033737 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 pikhq, Okinawan? Wtf is that < 1286033778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 232 < 1286033782 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :232| It's only been 2 months since anyone last made a commit! WRONG 8 WEEKS < 1286033785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 233 < 1286033796 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :233| Doing logs with dc is probably indicative of something in the DSM. < 1286033798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 234 < 1286033801 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 12/13 < 1286033804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think HackEgo may have something in the DSM < 1286033805 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286033807 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :234| dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1286033831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if i remember how to use revert < 1286033838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: um how so? < 1286033847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286033849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1286033855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought your addquote line was actually one of my quote requests < 1286033859 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: HackEgo _overwrote_ the original 233 it seems < 1286033866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286033899 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like all the quotes finally got in, anyhow < 1286033908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FOR NOW) < 1286034044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end of LeChuck's Revelation is sweet < 1286034257 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286034325 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286034364 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and, if you hadn't heard yet, erlang is just a wrapper around lisp <-- ITYM PROLOG. sheesh don't you know ANYTHING? < 1286034381 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286034388 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear whatever is causing window borders etc. to just die: Fuck you < 1286034397 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't hit me mommy :( < 1286034406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats cheater99 -----### < 1286034408 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: on ubuntu? < 1286034413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO, I'M NOT YOUR MOMMY < 1286034424 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1286034430 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's fucking compiz < 1286034437 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst piece of software in existence < 1286034451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiz is terribly designed but i have an intel gpu so it just works :P < 1286034458 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same < 1286034462 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still gave me that shit < 1286034466 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for sgeo < 1286034466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha < 1286034478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so i probably just haven't given it enough time :p < 1286034493 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes his visual effects < 1286034503 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough to deal with this, though < 1286034512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh, what? you have the wobbly resize and everything turned on? < 1286034515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1286034516 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if this is also somehow related to Firefox crashing < 1286034520 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just the defaults < 1286034527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal or whatever's above that < 1286034534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra < 1286034535 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal < 1286034551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the only visual effect is... minimising and restoring < 1286034569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, shadows and non-active window semitransparency < 1286034570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it < 1286034572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(titlebar) < 1286034581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(barely noticeable effect) < 1286034590 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My terminal stopped being transparent! < 1286034598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, I'll live < 1286034600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286034604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRANSPARENT TERMINALS ARE THE WORST FUCKING IDEA EVER < 1286034610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like translucent fucking paper < 1286034622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you feel cool < 1286034625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Roland MT-32 and CM-32L control and pcm roms for use with DOSBox and Munt" ;; yesplz < 1286034635 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but then you can spy on people when you're reading! < 1286034858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The next thing we have is "Movies That Don't Have Sequels" Movie Night! We're showing Pirates of the Caribbean and The Matrix.]] < 1286035054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tends to see Highlander included in such lists too < 1286035065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T WANT THE FUCKING SPECIAL EDITION I WANT THE ORIGINAL OCTOBER 1990 SOMI < 1286035150 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only saw approx. the ending of The Matrix, and the two sequels < 1286035185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? < 1286035192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've watched two terrible movies < 1286035195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and spoiled a really good one < 1286035197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1286035646 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286035649 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1286035706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ho < 1286035744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*de < 1286035890 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAH < 1286035899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: relatedly, Games That Don't Have More Than N Sequels < 1286035900 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notifications are no longer semitransparent < 1286035905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OH NO < 1286035916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoots at the zombies following Sgeo  < 1286035921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games That Don't Have More Than 2 (or 1 if you're boring and anal or Ron Gilbert) Sequels: Monkey Island < 1286035933 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're completely invisible when the cursor is over them < 1286035937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games That Probably Don't Have More Than 1 Sequel For Someone: Fallout < 1286035939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: SO WHAT < 1286036126 0 :Kordalien!~chatzilla@adsl-71-141-89-187.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286036371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286036398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/zPEGs.jpg < 1286036449 0 :Kordalien!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286037042 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716] < 1286037078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286037088 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a magic dance magic dance magic dance < 1286037094 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts singing < 1286037111 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286037191 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just starting to rain here :-( < 1286037454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember... < 1286037454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wherever you go... < 1286037455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On sea or on land, < 1286037455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't ever hide < 1286037455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Largo LeGrande! < 1286037656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 234| dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 pikhq, Okinawan? Wtf is that < 1286037685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quoted wikipedia saying so < 1286037700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah oerjan realised that you dipshit < 1286037764 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286037832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://miwiki.net/images/Mi2se_comparison.jpg ;; what did the redraw do to the poor man's nose... < 1286038232 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286038236 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286038344 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1286038369 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286040153 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the quote is funnier that way, stop complaining :) < 1286040386 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286040541 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is more line-noise-y? J or dc? < 1286040574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither are line-noisey. < 1286040577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have clearly never seen line noise < 1286040589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, J code is more comprehensible than dc code. < 1286040693 0 :zeotrope!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1096649602.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1286040953 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286041899 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like J; it's not open source :-/ < 1286042324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Boo hoo." The libraries are at least viewable-source. < 1286042329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to reimplement it... < 1286042359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/zakmckracken/zak-fmtowns.png ;; Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders, English FM Towns version < 1286042364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/zakmckracken/zak-fmtownsj.png ;; Japanese FM Towns version. < 1286042365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Groan* < 1286042382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Real screenshots.) < 1286042431 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone say J? < 1286042441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes they did. < 1286042448 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how does line noise look? < 1286042463 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://github.com/zeotrope/j7-src < 1286042475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not like a bunch of letters, a few punctuation chars and a lot of []s! < 1286042489 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but more like perl code? < 1286042510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: a lot of control characters, most likely < 1286042510 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an old version of the J interpreter < 1286042517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: ah, the first version? < 1286042523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ... the first version was one file < 1286042529 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Viewable-source" < 1286042530 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeesh < 1286042534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: where did you get this? < 1286042539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: also, fuck formatting changes < 1286042541 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows CE is also "viewable-source" < 1286042545 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterloo APL/J archives < 1286042552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: awesome. now undo your lame changes :D < 1286042558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, as in you can download it freely and it has the files right there < 1286042560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can change them < 1286042561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works < 1286042567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just can't redistribute changes. < 1286042568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286042569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1286042573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :distributing a patch should be legal < 1286042582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... whoo qmail-style development < 1286042593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only actually closed-source bit is the interpreter itself and the Java UI < 1286042611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a lot of the forms (UI) stuff is part of the lib too so that'd be sourced as well < 1286042618 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who use shitty licenses are the worst kind of people :P < 1286042627 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in j7.01 this will be the case < 1286042638 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gtk and web frontend will be written in J < 1286042641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there is no license, it's freeware < 1286042645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: omg, there's gonna be a gtk frontend? < 1286042649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: <3 < 1286042658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K has cooler UI stuff though ;) < 1286042664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K3 that is < 1286042670 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K has a lot of cool things < 1286042680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :K4/K5 are abominations of databasery :< < 1286042684 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad its license sucks even more < 1286042691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well < 1286042698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsl still has the binaries :P < 1286042709 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't those binaries have a time limit? < 1286042712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not in a linked path < 1286042715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: no < 1286042721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the full k3 < 1286042727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least... i never found a limitation < 1286042728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manual, too < 1286042735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux, windows and i think solaris or something weird like that < 1286042735 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'll take a look < 1286042740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the windows binaries in wine work way better than the linux ones < 1286042741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for gui < 1286042748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: as i said, pretty sure it's in an unlinked directory < 1286042755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the megabreds guys linked me < 1286042809 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never liked Q < 1286042821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: wait, why will it be 701? < 1286042824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 602 now < 1286042832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of unreleased/pay-only revisions? < 1286042848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just a weird versioning scheme? < 1286042860 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, I'm not sure how they are named < 1286042875 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the old interpreter I showed you is called version 7 < 1286042880 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly silly yet probably good idea for running Windows programs that don't work well in WINE (old games using obscure Direct2D features, for instance): have a Windows VM for qemu in QCOW. Create a new QCOW image using that one as the base. Install. < 1286042880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kx.com/a/ ;; here's a big directory of (official) k stuff < 1286042886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be a k3 binray there somewhere < 1286042894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voila, per-app virtual machines not using unreasonable space. < 1286042946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or just use Xen to virtualise Windows! MWAHAHAHA-- < 1286042996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, to do that, you need to be using a recent CPU, and qemu built to use Xen. < 1286042999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: i'm trying to find k3 now :) < 1286043007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OR JUST USE PLAIN XEN MWAHAHA < 1286043011 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, me too < 1286043021 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Arthur Whitney's C style < 1286043022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: if all else fails i can try and get in touch with the guy who linked me. < 1286043049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No source license handy, sadly. < 1286043058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MWAHAHAHA < 1286043066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: have you seen the k->english code? < 1286043067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awesome < 1286043075 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? link? < 1286043080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: i'll try and find it < 1286043090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: basically it replaces verbs with what they do and does a few adjective changes < 1286043091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite amusing < 1286043099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as the code itself is incomprehensible :P < 1286043108 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a non K-er :P < 1286043117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: to a mortal < 1286043125 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have fun fighting Windows update. < 1286043133 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find J quite readable, but K pushes it with the overloading < 1286043140 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Here's the thing: we use Windows 2000 for it. THERE ARE NO UPDATES < 1286043145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: tbh i've written a bit of k myself using the manual < 1286043149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: the gui stuff is amazingly cool < 1286043150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 95, depending on what works better. < 1286043159 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have fun getting hax0rd ;) < 1286043164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: every value has properties < 1286043172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah cuz you'd put it on the net of course. < 1286043182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No known vulnerabilities for a fully-patched version of either, because NOBODY GIVES A SHIT. < 1286043186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: like every value has its own dictionary...directory...hash table < 1286043190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact every value has a path to it from the root < 1286043190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except for in Internet Explorer. < 1286043193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an object filesystem < 1286043194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who uses that shit? < 1286043198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, every object has below it a GUI directory < 1286043206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you specify what kind of control it should show as and actions and the like < 1286043216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can have lists, and specify how they should show, as a form or a spreadsheet or whatever < 1286043218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And anyways: totally totally behind iptables, even if it *is* on the net. < 1286043218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you just show them < 1286043220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really cool < 1286043224 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely remember that, it was called a K-tree or something < 1286043228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286043237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nsl.com/k/view.k ;; K tree viewer :P < 1286043247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the blah..x stuff is the gui stuff < 1286043279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nsl.com/papers/spreadsheet.htm spreadsheets are stupidly simple since it's basically built-in :P < 1286043299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: anyway windows is unquestionably the best platform for using K on, WINE works fine too. < 1286043304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the gui < 1286043445 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why must all the modern APLs be closed < 1286043448 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286043458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: A+! < 1286043463 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A+ doesn't count < 1286043463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MOST TOTALLY AWESOME APL DERIVATIVE EVER < 1286043467 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1286043470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha why not? i sort of agree but < 1286043473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interested in hearing your reasoning < 1286043480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A+ amuses me because of the ... conventional libraries < 1286043484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nine parameters bullshit < 1286043485 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the character set for one < 1286043504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's more APLthentic :P < 1286043508 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it lacks a lot of "modern" stuff < 1286043516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm like what? < 1286043520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good gui support? < 1286043531 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libraries ya < 1286043536 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even semantics of the language < 1286043543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286043544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example? < 1286043586 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exceptions? < 1286043586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: grah, you have got me looking for k3! < 1286043595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, exceptions in what sense? < 1286043613 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like proper error checking < 1286043621 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nit-picking < 1286043625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in non-local control flow? < 1286043629 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anything that applies to APL < 1286043632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-local, imperative control flow? < 1286043637 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1286043638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say that's not a thing to brag about having! < 1286043644 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not gotos < 1286043650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what exceptions are < 1286043657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're still non-local, imperative control flow < 1286043663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which breaks like 3 out of 3 rules of how array programming works < 1286043673 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they are useful.. < 1286043679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(functional, not imperative, no "control flow" as such) < 1286043689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: not that useful imo. < 1286043690 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are explicit conditionals < 1286043697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that i'll grant < 1286043803 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm A+ has a lot of things I never knew.. < 1286043837 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a rank operator? < 1286043885 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it still use APL bracket syntax < 1286043892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1286043897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: k has no rank :) < 1286043899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simplicity! < 1286043915 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rank is simplicity < 1286043929 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalizing a hard concept into one operator < 1286043932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: no, k literally has no replacement for it < 1286043935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't do that >:) < 1286043952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i understand; i may be wrong < 1286043971 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I believe you are correct < 1286043980 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I have seen of K code < 1286043986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS THAT AN INSULT MY FRIEND < 1286044010 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL FIGHT! < 1286044096 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x@>#:'x < 1286044110 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's K for sorting strings by length < 1286044125 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears that #:' does each length < 1286044138 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there must be some sort of selection < 1286044155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just magic so there < 1286044232 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J version is better imo: (/: #&>) < 1286044251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd say that, Jacist < 1286044256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds like racist, coincidence? < 1286044262 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not at all.. < 1286044262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I declare jihad < 1286044319 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on J? < 1286044327 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :J..Jihad..zomg < 1286044331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286044339 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all so clear now < 1286044339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JJihad, J^2ihad < 1286044959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHERE IS K < 1286045005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: btw http://www.nsl.com/papers/instant.htm, starts out normal before he starts freaking transmitting code to be executed and then *editing objects that result and re-sending them* < 1286045008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may have already seen it < 1286045019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure exactly how secure it is :P < 1286045135 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm impressed at how much K stuff there is < 1286045148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: most of it his :P < 1286045160 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya :P < 1286045164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's his name again, i've forgotten < 1286045168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steven A...? < 1286045169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steven Apter? < 1286045257 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1286045262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: http://www.nsl.com/links.html he has quite an esolang passion if you grep /Esoteric/ < 1286045265 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stevan < 1286045270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's some esoteric language implementations on nsl.com... < 1286045289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda, jot, zot, 01, 10, befunge-93, false, befreak, brainfuck < 1286045294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in K ofc < 1286045421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: if olegfink was online i'd just ask him for the link < 1286045470 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the J/K oleg? < 1286045488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: is there a specific J/K oleg? < 1286045491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it may be. < 1286045495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nsl.com/k/excel.k ;; excel v1 < 1286045497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nsl.com/k/excel/excel2.k ;; excel v2 < 1286045499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT NOW MICROSOFT < 1286045523 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goggles.. < 1286045532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: see bottom of page for actual VB macros for excel :D < 1286045538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use with k for ... i have no idea what this does < 1286045545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nsl.com/k/excel/ < 1286045552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe k.xls holds the key < 1286045712 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k.xls has a macro called kload, I'm assuming this is an interface to excel < 1286045734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mind boggles. < 1286045740 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it to write K in excel < 1286045743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bind moggles < 1286045749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: i think it's two-way?? I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS THIS < 1286045750 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to manipulate excel from K < 1286045763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the k obvs parses formulas... < 1286045794 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, small lexer there < 1286045834 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parser < 1286045836 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and .. < 1286045839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and something < 1286045892 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also once saw K in K < 1286045922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nsl.com/k/wolfram.k < 1286045934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which steven rewrites A New Kind of Science in three lines < 1286045941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then gives it a GUI in three < 1286045945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, basically two < 1286045952 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's K < 1286046006 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a descendant of APL < 1286046015 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we care? < 1286046033 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one said you do < 1286046122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: we have cared about J/K for a while. < 1286046141 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh ok < 1286046141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a year or two in fact < 1286046148 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a word play < 1286046148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: http://www.kx.com/a/k/examples/read.k ;; the ->english < 1286046160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nsl.com/papers/kisntlisp.htm seems to imply it turns < 1286046165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : +(#:'=v[;1];?v[;1]) < 1286046165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :into < 1286046166 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are you gonna suddenly scream out JUST KIDDING!! < 1286046166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : flip(count each group v[;1];unique v[;1]) < 1286046168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no. < 1286046175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be stupid. < 1286046179 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286046181 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@97-118-188-222.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286046206 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but because of that, it would also be completely unexpected. which would make it smart again. < 1286046214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286046218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wouldn't < 1286046224 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286046254 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sneeze* < 1286046258 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a cold : ( < 1286046287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is COLS AND HEARTLESS < 1286046310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*COLD < 1286046313 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so you're tabular? < 1286046317 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a similar one in J, converts J to "english" < 1286046323 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or haskell imo < 1286046334 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: do you run a local instance of squid proxy? < 1286046357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no < 1286046360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: lol < 1286046365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: do you? < 1286046529 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286046534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1286046540 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works perfectly for fixing my internet woes < 1286046544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define < 1286046552 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use mobile internet (temporarily) and they have this transparent proxy < 1286046564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used mobile internet for over a month < 1286046571 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it minifies html and recompresses images, and sometimes it returns empty responses in error < 1286046576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't compress images though or any of that bullshit < 1286046580 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :squid has an option for retrying that < 1286046583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just had a content filter, easily removed < 1286046586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you just call up) < 1286046589 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO: < 1286046595 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great for when you use multiple browsers < 1286046600 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and want to share a cache between them < 1286046603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't < 1286046613 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also allows webpages to be prefetched < 1286047100 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it seems to be fucking up dns too < 1286047112 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i get squid complaining that there are no dns records for q.ebaystatic.com. < 1286047120 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have to think about getting a dns caching proxy too < 1286047131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.logarithmic.net/ghost.xhtml ;; click "random" a lot < 1286047132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonderful < 1286047171 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how come you're all into diagrams suddenly? < 1286047178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: er, I am? < 1286047182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else have i said about diagrams? < 1286047190 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were posting some diagram game last week i think < 1286047215 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you had to come up with the longest interconnected line or something like that and had hexagonal tiles < 1286047240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1286047243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no i didn't < 1286047247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be thinking of someone else < 1286047250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i have amnesia < 1286047328 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably my error < 1286047352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'a aC C', 'a bC D', 'b aD C', 'b bD D', 'cacAAA', 'dacBBB', 'cbcBBB', 'dbcBBB', 'cadAAA', 'dadBBB', 'cbdBBB', 'dbdAAA', colors=['#fff', '#000', '#888', '#888', '#888', '#888', '#fff', '#000', '#000', '#000', '#fff', '#000', '#000', '#fff'] < 1286047355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tileset implementing rule 110 < 1286047374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :colors doesn't work with the web version < 1286047375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1286047390 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen it < 1286047405 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i wonder when his program knows that a tileset is "solved" < 1286047420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's filled the whole field, which is finite, presumably < 1286047425 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean this isn't regular at all that i know of: '11 1 ', '111 1 ' < 1286047426 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286047431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it's random < 1286047432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1286047436 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1286047444 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes it does backtracking < 1286047445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why you get a different one each time < 1286047450 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't know when it decides to do that < 1286047453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: presumably if it figures out it can't fit something somewhere < 1286047454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1286047477 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe possibly not terminating? 'dDDDd-', 'ddDd-D', 'ddd--D' < 1286047517 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it < 1286047524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286047525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hates you :) < 1286047541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it may be impossible to do, or simply take a very long time < 1286047554 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286047575 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but given that i'm only on a centrino, it's relatively NP-hard. < 1286047668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: ... wat < 1286047678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst abuse of NP-hard ever :D < 1286047703 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's np-hard-to-disprove-on-a-slow-cpu < 1286048015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: wow he included ghost diagrams in his phd thesis < 1286048023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/thesis chapter 7 apparently < 1286048032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy 60 megabyte pdf batman :) < 1286048038 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: niiice < 1286048061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't get the hang of making nice patterns yet :( < 1286048194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: oh the same guy also wrote a GIMP plugin that does that awesome texture synthesis stuff < 1286048202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "oh look i just removed this object by coping some of the sky" and the like < 1286048249 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the least-power-path thing? < 1286048282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1286048298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/resynthesizer < 1286048302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the example pages < 1286048325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :photoshop recently introduced this and everyone called it magical < 1286048335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resynthesizer is slightly less polished but still pretty good < 1286048345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also part of his Ph.D. xD < 1286048418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION , in a stunning burst of insanity, decides to code a stupid half-wiki < 1286048446 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's cooool < 1286048453 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286048533 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this a looot: http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/resynthesizer/theming < 1286048554 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1286048559 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't seem to press Enter! < 1286048567 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On ShareKeyboard < 1286048571 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :press the other enter < 1286048611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are browsers so stupid that they can't embed a program inside a page < 1286048613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without like java crap < 1286048618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna say < 1286048632 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a test, this is only a test. ShareKeyboard is pretty awesome. Except for the lack of an Enter key... help me help me I can't say anything < 1286048647 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: don't get me started < 1286048656 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: every technology used by the internet is a failed piece of crap < 1286048667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = document.getElementById("editor").runApplication(preferences.editor, "-stdin"); foo.write(sometext); < 1286048668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1286048673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasons why this doesn't work: < 1286048676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- shitty OSes are architectured shittily < 1286048685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- LOL EVERYBODY FAILS AT MAKING A SECURITY SYSTEM SO WE JUST STOP PEOPLE DOING USEFUL THINGS < 1286048687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- fuck everything < 1286048691 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to switch to stock keyboard to send that... although actually, in landscape mode, there's a share button < 1286048697 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, send button < 1286048733 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ < 1286048850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: ... so instead i'll just implement my own editor component! BECAUSE I CLEARLY WANT TO DO THAT < 1286048860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the web. fuck it fuck it < 1286048880 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, fuck it < 1286048881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made some wiki software once that popped open your editor to edit pages, that was quite nice but only worked locally... < 1286048904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: and here's the monstrosity that did it: < 1286048917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a pre-rendered dealie < 1286048917 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect java < 1286048919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not online < 1286048922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1286048931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the edit link linked to a *localhost* with ?page=foo < 1286048931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1286048933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your localhost < 1286048936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ran a server < 1286048939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that listened for requests < 1286048941 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1286048941 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1286048944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and opened your editor < 1286048954 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like php and system() < 1286048956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd click the link on your external server, which would bounce back to localhost, which would open your editor and redirect you back < 1286048961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you had an "edit" link that worked < 1286048977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you edited, saved, and pressed whatever hotkey you had to build and upload the site < 1286048987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code was a bit of a mess though, for the building bit < 1286048993 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing with WifiKeyboard, this is a test this is only a test. < 1286048999 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is much, much better for IRC < 1286049011 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no ads! < 1286049024 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't see the input on the computer screen, though < 1286049029 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can seem to backspace < 1286049036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Male infertility gene discovered" --BBC News < 1286049053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NATURAL SELECTION: THE MORE YOU KNOW =============* < 1286049093 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in Game mode, backspace only sends one backspace < 1286049130 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love, love, is a verb, love is a doing word < 1286049133 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ < 1286049138 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ə < 1286049140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up. < 1286049162 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never! < 1286049167 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahahahhahahahhh! < 1286049169 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes insane < 1286049250 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this will be useful at schoo, so I don't have to login to, say, Gmail to respond using a decent keybiard < 1286049265 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm not even looking at my phone right now, so don't know if I'm typoing < 1286049273 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Wifi Keyboard doesn't show current input < 1286049416 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that it's not the most secure thing to use at school :/ < 1286049441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: How do you name things? I'm wondering if there is actually a trick t it. < 1286049446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1286049449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busyloop! < 1286049478 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: in a greenfield project, in a legacy project, or when reverse-engineering? < 1286049478 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if someone else starts typing, the thing will complain about multiple input < 1286049503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Just... naming a spare-time project. Greenfield, sure. < 1286049512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any other kinds of projects. :p < 1286049522 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean naming a project < 1286049534 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant code objects (classes, functions, variables) < 1286049547 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, i usually try to figure out if there has been some form of inspiration for this < 1286049571 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to find the use for what i'm doing, and then express the gist of that < 1286049572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking maybe bonsai but that's a very tenuous link < 1286049577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bonsai trees are small, my software is small!) < 1286049584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems almost like i should save that name for something better. < 1286049600 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not great < 1286049614 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what software are you trying to name? < 1286049617 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1286049648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pseudo-wiki (one user, designed for maintaining non-wiki-looking things) < 1286049656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :primarily the byproduct of my serve NIH syndrome < 1286049798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: thinking about it, bonsai has a more tenuous link -- the links of pages to each other sort of form a branching tree < 1286049806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a graph, but whatever, you can imagine a link visualisation as a tree < 1286049851 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've got a problem i see in many coders right now < 1286049859 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are thinking of the code and not about what it does < 1286049872 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was doing a code review with this girl last friday < 1286049874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean i'm thinking too technically? dude, it's for my own use. < 1286049878 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i ask her what the application does < 1286049890 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so she says "the calculation class blah blah blah" < 1286049890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's what it does: it maintains a website. < 1286049897 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's a pseudo-wiki (one user, designed for maintaining non-wiki-looking things) < 1286049900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty non-codey < 1286049903 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i tell her ok, but i don't want to know about that, i want to know what the application is for < 1286049924 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes, you build up a configuration object and then pass it and blah blah blah" < 1286049927 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i tell her < 1286049933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i get it < 1286049935 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't want to know about any classes < 1286049953 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the most basic level, what does the application do, in the eyes of a user? < 1286049963 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it is a collection of form text input fields." < 1286049967 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. . . < 1286049971 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stopped asking < 1286049987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286049990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, i didn't do that. < 1286050005 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286050012 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sayin' < 1286050019 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides < 1286050029 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference if it's for your own use or for someone else's use? < 1286050040 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are big benefits to keeping projects public-ready < 1286050047 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. it makes you finish them so they work < 1286050060 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. it makes you write the important bits like manuals etc which makes you actually rethink usefulness < 1286050072 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. it makes you package it nicely even if for your own use (useful down the line) < 1286050081 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. it makes you think differently about what's necessary < 1286050193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yeah, uh, you're no fun at all. < 1286050313 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kno :( < 1286050330 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is a personal wiki only/ < 1286050331 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286050337 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uni-user? < 1286050347 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather monouser < 1286050453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yes < 1286050466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: but infinite readers < 1286050471 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286050481 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you've got a set of information which you maintain < 1286050485 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as your own brain map < 1286050496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already know what i want it to do < 1286050498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want to name it. < 1286050498 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like wolfram's brain? < 1286050504 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it? < 1286050505 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing < 1286050542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: not really < 1286050550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a website with an edit button for one person :P < 1286050555 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're the only maintainer < 1286050562 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you make it nice and fine for yourself < 1286050578 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :others can look at it but you're the only one who builds it and understands it < 1286050591 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a real connotation with a banzai < 1286050599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"banzai" does not mean what you think it is < 1286050601 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since every banzai belongs to only one person < 1286050609 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :banzai tree ? < 1286050612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "ten thousand years". < 1286050614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "bonsai". < 1286050624 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286050650 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have misspelled it because xchat underlined bonzai and not banzai :( < 1286050720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because it's bonsai < 1286050724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more you know =========++* < 1286050726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no +s < 1286050756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway bonsai it is then :P < 1286050762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now for the even harder part, deciding a language! < 1286050766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell i never get anything done? < 1286050849 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell < 1286050857 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftfy < 1286050908 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286050976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i became too theoretical to appreciate haskell :) < 1286050984 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1286050988 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now appreciate it practically < 1286050991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then went so crazy that i decided to forget type systems even existed < 1286050996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am now a lot less disturbed < 1286051015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, we aren't on a Haskell vs C slanging match, are we? < 1286051017 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, how do you figure out your dns server now? < 1286051021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nope < 1286051025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99 is on the haskell side < 1286051035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on my own side < 1286051046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( cheater99: i became too theoretical to appreciate haskell :) and then went so crazy that i decided to forget type systems even existed i am now a lot less disturbed) < 1286051057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: /etc/resolv.conf? < 1286051060 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: write it in something that has a natural impedance match for that < 1286051072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: wonderful advice; useless, of course, but... < 1286051074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you go crazy enough to forget type systems? < 1286051080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might write it in rc :) < 1286051086 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. natural graph structures, and taxonomies < 1286051087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because the things you see... in type theory... they scare you < 1286051091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you believe only in category theory? < 1286051092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can never truly be whole again < 1286051107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what, you mean undecidable types? < 1286051111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh yeah you start becoming convinced that you should base a computational model on category theory < 1286051113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than type theory < 1286051121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's usually when the cluster headaches start < 1286051126 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that file seems to work < 1286051134 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it get automagically updated by dialup software? < 1286051137 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of awful things are there in type theory? < 1286051144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: DHCP will update it (I forget the client name) < 1286051150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes probably < 1286051165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: you may simply want to remove all write bits from the file if the dialup thing does it < 1286051168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: here NetworkManager sets it < 1286051175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: btw NetworkManager can connect to a lot of 3G modems < 1286051180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid the shitty dialup software < 1286051181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :highly recommended < 1286051200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu, at least, has a nice wizard for it < 1286051203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you go to edit connections < 1286051211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you can set a custom dns server after that too < 1286051353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit I want to know the forbidden secrets of type theory alise. < 1286051362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IA IA IA < 1286051372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert Zalgo < 1286051377 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot the diæreses! < 1286051390 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IÄ IÄ IÄ! < 1286051395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better! < 1286051479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish wiki syntaxes sucked less. < 1286051484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solution: MAKE THEM SUCK LESS < 1286051504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sucks more: PMWiki markup or MediaWiki markup? < 1286051507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{tag ...} is a tag. Maybe I'll have keyword arguments. < 1286051512 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: hmm < 1286051521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If a tree falls in a forest and noöne is around to hear it? < 1286051526 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i should try it then < 1286051541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: what distro? < 1286051545 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, do you not know PMWiki markup? < 1286051548 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu! < 1286051593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: uninstall crappy dialup software, right click network icon, edit connections, mobile broadband, add, hope for the best < 1286051600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a surprising range of support < 1286051602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and usually Just Works < 1286051629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Indeed not. < 1286051636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But I was implying their equal shittiness. < 1286051636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what TV Tropes uses. < 1286051645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1286051648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've edited TV Tropes exactly once. < 1286051659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least MediaWiki doesn't have 4 different kinds of link formats. < 1286051672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*internal link formats. < 1286051673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you go to edit it tells you not to say This Troper on the article page because they're making the pages not discussions any more. < 1286051678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is Wikipedian bullshit. < 1286051689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly they have never browsed WardsWiki. < 1286051722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The discussion does get a little out of hand in both places... < 1286051724 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i don't think i need to uninstall crappy dialup software < 1286051736 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: btw, i have ditched network manager for wicd < 1286051740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: if it's handling connections you probably do. < 1286051742 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :network manager was cancer for me < 1286051746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: also, i doubt wicd can do this. < 1286051748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your loss < 1286051751 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286051757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: networkmanager works fine :P < 1286051757 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nm was very very bad for me < 1286051764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than shitty dialup software for sure < 1286051765 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wifi was dying all the time with nm < 1286051776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this ain't wifi < 1286051813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: anyway just make your changes to /etc/resolv.conf, -w it < 1286051814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1286051823 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286051840 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i set up djbdns on my pc < 1286051845 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see how it works with retries < 1286051872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: djb software is great if you already have djb software, otherwise it brings along a lot of /services stuff :D < 1286051894 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have had it installed already < 1286051896 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily enough < 1286051906 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i go through the package manager and install 100s of packages.) < 1286051912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew < 1286051914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286051935 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's great because it shows you software you never thought existed < 1286051954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to know about more software, the existing set gives me enough pain :) < 1286051960 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise are you into audio stuff at all? < 1286051968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specify further < 1286052016 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, making/recording music < 1286052021 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sounds < 1286052043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to do it, but i have no particular talent for it. < 1286052058 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define "have no particular talent" < 1286052058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have discovered this lack of talent an amusing number of times, and like to blame software for it. < 1286052070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i have no particular inspiration for what to do to produce pleasing sounds. < 1286052084 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286052087 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comes with practice < 1286052097 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not that difficult < 1286052103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i also have the extreme lack of patience to learn, say, an instrument. < 1286052129 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way Look Around You lapses into horror at random. < 1286052131 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be about mastering finger techniques < 1286052137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: which episode? < 1286052146 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cool thing about this stuff is that there's a lot of technology backing it < 1286052153 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot about it is highly esoteric < 1286052157 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calcium specifically, but the Boîte Diabolique also counts. < 1286052167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The Helvetica scenario. < 1286052176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1286052180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i have this wonderful plan to create a wonderful music-composition software based on vague bits of interacting code; it will never happen < 1286052190 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VwumVweeeeeeeeeee...VwumVweeeeeeeeeeeee < 1286052199 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cellular automaton music has been done to death < 1286052203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: not that < 1286052216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a typical horizontal-is-time, vertical-is-tracks thing, but instead of waveforms it's little snippets of code < 1286052231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a huge library of, say, sine waves, midi, raw waveform, etc. functions < 1286052238 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've just described a tracker < 1286052241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and filters that do effects and the like < 1286052243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you stack them with code < 1286052252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i've never seen anyone input code into a tracker < 1286052261 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screamtracker < 1286052265 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's very simple code < 1286052273 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a few most important things < 1286052275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the code i'm thinking of isn't :P < 1286052285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have, say, a whole "riff" in one block of code < 1286052307 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286052328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it also doesn't help that simple music bores me < 1286052329 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cellular automaton music has been done to death ← it has? < 1286052333 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do this stuff in uh.. < 1286052335 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the name < 1286052339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making boring things bores me even more than consuming them. < 1286052343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, even by wolfram < 1286052344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks < 1286052364 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmusic? something like that < 1286052364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it work? < 1286052366 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-something < 1286052370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chuck? < 1286052375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know there's another c- thin < 1286052377 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no < 1286052379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: and if you've ever tried creating might be < 1286052379 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-sound < 1286052380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286052381 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1286052382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMusic < 1286052399 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean c-sound < 1286052409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: most music composition software is ridiculously complex, i've noticed < 1286052421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :five billion twiddle knobs, five billion preferences behind it, five billion different modes... < 1286052424 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmusic is the max/msp predecessor isn't it? < 1286052436 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286052441 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :music software is generally gay < 1286052443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also: interfaces that look like real equipment and have stupid knobs and shit MAKE ME FUCKING RAGE) < 1286052450 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And none of it implements the Boîtes Diabolique. < 1286052451 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all like ms word < 1286052452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MY COMPUTER DOES NOT FUCKING WORK LIKE THAT FUCK YOU) < 1286052460 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a nice vim based build system, you don't get shit. < 1286052481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1286052482 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you expect *musicians* to be able to competently use a well-designed UI? < 1286052486 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not. < 1286052488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Um. < 1286052498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a musician can use Ableton. < 1286052504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then that musician can use literally any interface known to man. < 1286052514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ableton is the *craziest freaking thing* ever. < 1286052514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286052530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even Reason is that bad. < 1286052547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Maybe I'll get ahold of the original Atari ST version of Logic :) < 1286052548 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried getting a job at ableton < 1286052551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My father has that. < 1286052554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an Atari to run it on! < 1286052568 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they replied with a code excercise < 1286052568 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i replied with code < 1286052572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something happened last night < 1286052577 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in python, which they wanted) < 1286052582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He now does music using Logic Studio on Windows Me. No joke.) < 1286052586 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they replied that my code is not up to their quality standards < 1286052597 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had someone at PSF check that code and find no problems with it < 1286052600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad said that if it weren't for him visiting the hospital where my step-mother's mom was, she would have died due to incompetent care < 1286052603 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WIN < 1286052609 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if maybe I should become a doctor < 1286052640 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the thought of other people's lives being in my hands, but if I displace someone who might be less competent, it's a net win I think < 1286052648 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: tell him to start using sonar < 1286052656 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's the nicest thing for windoze < 1286052659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i'm not on speaking terms with my father. < 1286052665 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: :( < 1286052680 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: he uses windows me. i wouldn't talk to him either : P < 1286052687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, he still uses Me because he never saw a reason to upgrade. also Cool Edit Pro and Sound Forge < 1286052692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i doubt he will ever change his setup, ever < 1286052700 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound forge ain't so bad < 1286052705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: *old* sound forge < 1286052707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the software is old < 1286052713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a look at Ableton's interface. < 1286052718 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a point to "it works" though < 1286052718 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god... I am humbled. < 1286052728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wat < 1286052730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286052732 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ableton's interface is fairly shit < 1286052738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's even worse when you can click on it < 1286052746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, the simplistic interface you normally see < 1286052749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the one for retards < 1286052755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't tweak anything despite it being almost impossible to use < 1286052756 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@188-22-118-43.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1286052758 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's worst is that they're trying to be a dj/live production thing < 1286052761 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they suck at dj < 1286052763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you get to enter the even worse parts of the interface < 1286052763 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they suck at live < 1286052766 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they suck at production < 1286052770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Autechre use Ableton in live performances < 1286052779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, uh, props to them because that shit sounds painfully impossible to me < 1286052797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if they use max/msp live too < 1286052804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW FAST CAN I MOVE THIS MOUSE TO THIS TEXT BOX AND TWEAK THE VALUE < 1286052805 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autechre is not something i'd consider an influence to myself < 1286052813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autechre are awesome < 1286052821 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's awesome? < 1286052834 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i turn up the resonance knob, my tb303's sequencer slows down < 1286052835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look Around You? < 1286052837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286052841 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the batteries are half empty. < 1286052844 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awesome. < 1286052845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O GOD I AM BECOMING SGEO < 1286052847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: http://dailyjs.com/images/posts/autechre.jpg <-- Max/MSP patches by Autechre < 1286052850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1286052851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it have a colour picker? I DON'T KNOW < 1286052864 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done better < 1286052872 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KILL ME WHILE I STILL HAVE SOME HOOVERITY LEFT < 1286052875 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how so? < 1286052906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Name a language! < 1286052919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, I basically want Logo with a bit more syntactic sugar. ...wait, I just said I want REBOL. < 1286052919 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done patches full of text entry boxes < 1286052921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I TAKE IT BACK I TAKE IT < 1286052925 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's across like 3 screens. < 1286052932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Nemerle! < 1286052939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: but what that outputs probably counts as music to most people >:) < 1286052942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yours, that is) < 1286052954 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disclaimer: I have no knowledge of Nemerle whatsoever. < 1286052955 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1286052957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Æ TRANSCEND YOUR MERE PERCEPTIONS OF MUSIC < 1286052961 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an additive synthesizer < 1286052974 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for researching on inharmonic spectra < 1286052985 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is very important to the musicality of computer music < 1286053008 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once electronic instruments can reliably generate inharmonic spectra, the world of electronic music will change forever < 1286053044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made no sense to me at all. < 1286053106 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :99.99999999999999999999% of all sounds generated with electronic means are either noise, or harmonic spectra, or derivations from those, or recordings. < 1286053136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like noise. < 1286053140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's inharmonic spectra < 1286053151 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a sound, it has partials < 1286053166 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think it's something to do with its timbre. < 1286053183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the first result on Google. < 1286053186 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the frequency and the loudness envelope of these partials is called the spectrum < 1286053195 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be seen with a spectrograph < 1286053199 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, is that correct? < 1286053205 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286053234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So real instruments produce harmonic spectra, while computers produce inharmonic ones? < 1286053235 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most sounds generated with syntesizers have harmonic spectra < 1286053246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, other way round? < 1286053275 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1286053351 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harmonic spectrum = repeating waveform < 1286053356 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1286053370 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a piano is stretched-harmonic. it is a special type of inharmonicity. < 1286053495 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an almost-harmonic spectrum, except < 1286053504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So electronic music is too precise, or what? < 1286053548 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a harmonic spectrum, the frequencies of partials are 1f, 2f, 3f, ... < 1286053567 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a stretched-harmonic spectrum it's 1af, 2af, 3af, 4af, ... < 1286053571 0 :Flonk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854] < 1286053581 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a > 1 < 1286053594 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course you can also try a <1 and it'll sound nice too) < 1286053613 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think for a piano a is around between 1.001 and 1.1, not sure < 1286053618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOESN'T THIS HAVE AN OBVIOUS ANSWER < 1286053635 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286053638 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ? < 1286053641 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different instruments have different spectra < 1286053650 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286053663 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computers have different types of spectra to real instruments. < 1286053666 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that it's mostly about the "a" rather than the levels < 1286053691 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's basically it. < 1286053722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and cheater99 plans to discover how to generate inharmonic spectra with a computer and make 5 billion currencies. < 1286053845 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286053865 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is currently not being achieved on a computer < 1286053874 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1286053876 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a very difficult problem computationally < 1286053883 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the additive method needs umpteens of partials < 1286053902 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the physical method (simulate a string with weight) is out of reach < 1286053906 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that i know of) < 1286054029 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wind instruments? < 1286054029 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: >SPIT OUT RANDOM LANGUAGE < 1286054042 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already spat out Nemerle. < 1286054059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays the flute and is constantly confused by the keyings for notes. < 1286054064 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286054194 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286054233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523! < 1286054249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: name a (non-eso) language, please < 1286054304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Perl < 1286054307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, WHAT, NEMERLE NOT RANDOM ENOUGH < 1286054310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you said non-eso < 1286054311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1286054314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, ADA < 1286054350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: okay, non-eso but including Perl and languages of similar esoity; can i have another? < 1286054352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's Ada. < 1286054364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: but the entire language is in allcaps < 1286054369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: m4 < 1286054374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ada? < 1286054376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't < 1286054387 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor < 1286054388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, ok, strengthen non-eso constraint a bit more < 1286054389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: actually, I think it's case-insensitive < 1286054394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Ada.Text_IO; < 1286054395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286054395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :procedure Hello is < 1286054395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :begin < 1286054395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ada.Text_IO.Put_Line("Hello, world!"); < 1286054395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :end Hello; < 1286054397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the Ada code I've seen has been in allcaps < 1286054401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# < 1286054415 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Prolog. < 1286054420 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSL < 1286054425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: on average, a randomly-picked language is not suitable for your project < 1286054435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I agree < 1286054438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRO. LOG. < 1286054446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I don't use the same lang for everything < 1286054459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, follow cpressey's philosophy on C++. < 1286054460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, there's generally more than one lang suitable for any given project < 1286054485 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective C. < 1286054493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective C++! < 1286054495 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D! < 1286054557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does objective C++ actually exist? < 1286054601 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen in mentioned in OS X docs. < 1286054616 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember if it was actually a langage. < 1286054618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise, follow cpressey's philosophy on C++. ;; wat? < 1286054622 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language. < 1286054623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, for compatibility < 1286054626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with C++ libs < 1286054627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1286054638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't think of a plausible reason for it to exist, but that's one < 1286054739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, DNS root server H was down for around 18 hours < 1286054750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the one owned by the US Army < 1286054760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how reassuring! < 1286054760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the root servers going down is pretty rare... < 1286054769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the terrists. < 1286054779 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the nuclear holocaust is mere hours away. < 1286054843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues thinking about graph-based esolangs. < 1286054850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oklopol < 1286054865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphica < 1286054869 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I an oklo? < 1286054871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eodermdrome < 1286054882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oklopol's Graphica and ais523 's Eodermdrome < 1286054910 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link? < 1286054952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/graphica.txt is so useless words fail me. < 1286054953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/graphica.txt < 1286054955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Eodermdrome < 1286054970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there are also some vjn.fi/pb links by oklopol with graphica code in them in the logs < 1286055005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT READ OKLOTALK-- CODE INSTEAD < 1286055006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/oklotalk--.txt < 1286055010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE THE LISTS ARE MINE < 1286055037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, Eodermdrome still hasn't been implemented < 1286055045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although someone (oerjan?) wrote a program in it to prove TCness < 1286055060 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What languages would be good for graph manipulation? < 1286055074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brain has failed me on this. < 1286055080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oerjan, yeah < 1286055154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : <-- (greater/less) (or equal to/than) --> < 1286055157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- oklotalk--.txt < 1286055157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286055233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: this is probably why eodermdrome wasn't implemented < 1286055240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because nobody can think of a lang that's remotely good to implement it in < 1286055266 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen some snippets of graphy code in Prolog... < 1286055284 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A fact represents a connection betwixt nodes.) < 1286055296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you could also just have < 1286055298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arc(a,b) < 1286055307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and e.g. value(a,42). < 1286055308 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Prolog doesn't like interfacing with the outside world very much. < 1286055317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it does it alright... < 1286055321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that is the point. < 1286055336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i thought you meant like < 1286055336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a(b) < 1286055338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is arc(a,b) < 1286055339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is bizarre < 1286055341 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably asserts would be used to parse < 1286055345 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, of course not. < 1286055349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and dynamic < 1286055350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it have < 1286055355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arc(A,B) :- arc(B,A). < 1286055357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286055360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it directional < 1286055373 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was. < 1286055378 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we can do it that way. < 1286055388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah markup formats suck! < 1286055477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I love the Prolog pathfinding code: < 1286055479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :path(A, B) :- arc(A, B). < 1286055480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :path(A, B) :- path(A, C), path(C, B). < 1286055514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prolog is cool; this is indisputable. < 1286055527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Utterly impractical, but so, so cool. < 1286055619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION debugs his path *recording* code < 1286055675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ?- find_path(a,d,R). < 1286055675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R = [[a|d]] ? ; (forever) < 1286055678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should not happen... < 1286055683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find_path(A, B, [[A|B]]) :- arc(A, B). < 1286055683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find_path(A, B, [[A|C]|R]) :- < 1286055683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : find_path(A, C, R1), < 1286055683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : find_path(C, B, R2), < 1286055683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : append(R1, R2, R). < 1286055704 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1286055721 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is she cute http://tinyurl.com/2vqdepz < 1286055744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh, i was even being on-topic < 1286055751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Prolog counts as esoteric, right?) < 1286055760 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not trying hard enough < 1286055779 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has existed for more than 1 year < 1286055782 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND has more than 100 users < 1286055786 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/ < 1286055854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure anyone really uses prolog. < 1286055856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolog uses them. < 1286055935 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would one delete nodes for this? < 1286055956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: retract < 1286055959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you would need to deassert every arc containing them. < 1286055969 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's not nice to not answer questions :( < 1286055972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh, wait, my path code is right < 1286055981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's not directional < 1286055989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: why are you asking, why me, and why in here? < 1286056000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, assert(arc(a,b)). < 1286056005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :retract(a). < 1286056011 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arc(a,b). < 1286056027 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still true. < 1286056033 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: because i wonder what you think! < 1286056039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: reatract(arc(a,b)) < 1286056041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*retract < 1286056042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :durr < 1286056045 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just randomly < 1286056046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: why? < 1286056053 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you were the first person i saw talking on irc) < 1286056065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, see /msg < 1286056079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ?- path(a,x). < 1286056079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatal Error: local stack overflow (size: 8192 Kb, environment variable used: LOCALSZ) < 1286056108 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there actually a way of getting away with non-tail recursion? < 1286056120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1286056122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :path(A, B) :- path(A, C), path(C, B), !. < 1286056141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant generally. < 1286056145 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286056172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :| ?- find_path(a, d, R). < 1286056172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R = [[a|b],[b|c],[c|d]] ? < 1286056180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R = [[a|b],[b|c],[c|d],[d|b],[b|c],[c|d]] ? < 1286056183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :R = [[a|b],[b|c],[c|d],[d|b],[b|c],[c|d],[d|b],[b|c],[c|d]] ? < 1286056183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286056232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there's also retractall < 1286056234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bulba.sdsu.edu/prolog/parsing/recursion_and_assertion.htm < 1286056247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, retract(arc(a,X)). < 1286056255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: retractall < 1286056260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :retractall(arc(a,_)). < 1286056286 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no particular difference there... < 1286056337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gyah, I've forgotten what cut does. < 1286056389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: forgets about all backtracking opportunities < 1286056395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't go back before the cut < 1286056399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it fails after that, it'll just fail. < 1286056429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : R = [[a|b],[b|c],[c|d]] ? < 1286056429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : R = [[a|b],[b|c],[c|d],[d|b],[b|c],[c|d]] ? < 1286056429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : R = [[a|b],[b|c],[c|d],[d|b],[b|c],[c|d],[d|b],[b|c],[c|d]] ? < 1286056429 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, your thing to make arcs undirected obviously leads to an infinite loop. < 1286056429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1286056438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems incredibly messy < 1286056441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's just paths... < 1286056445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1286056454 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, thought you had written code like that :P < 1286056532 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have an account on LTSP and it log in using the Ubuntu GUI, how to set environment variables global to the account? < 1286056553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: .profile < 1286056601 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LTSP? < 1286056606 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does all environment variables set in .profile affect all programs running in the session for that account? < 1286056607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds familiar < 1286056610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it now again < 1286056623 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux Terminal Server Project < 1286056690 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so thin clients? < 1286056692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1286056768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does all environment variables set in .profile affect all programs running in the session for that account? < 1286056770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.xinitrc too < 1286056776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use X < 1286056787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you ever actually write down Eodermdrone's command set? < 1286056818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it on the wiki, didn't I? < 1286056836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1286056837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I can see... < 1286056839 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Eodermdrome < 1286056850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't actually have any commands, that's a complete description of how it works < 1286056856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I kind of see it. < 1286056859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes you think all esolangs have to be based on commands? < 1286056865 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is X; that is what the terminal loads. It uses the graphical login screen and then loads that account in the X session (I think it is the GNOME session). I configured my account to start the bash terminal window at login, but I don't know how to make it automatically maximize the window. < 1286056923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no, I just skimmed the syntax section. < 1286056939 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I assumed that there was a predefined command set. < 1286057079 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, do I start on the parser or the interpreter? < 1286057153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what parser? < 1286057161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything seems much less crashy without Compiz < 1286057179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for Eodermdrome. < 1286057188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what parser? < 1286057207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that goes from list of characters to assertions in Prolog. < 1286057217 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a list < 1286057237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: using dcgs i hope < 1286057275 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distributed Common Ground Systems? < 1286057279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolog#Parser_example < 1286057353 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is theree a way to disable all of the options in the menu and use .xinitrc instead? < 1286057362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: maybe. < 1286057366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not. < 1286057417 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it says graphical login manager do not use .xinitrc it says I need .xsession instead. < 1286057458 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1286057491 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took way too long for Akinator to guess "Yes-man" "Some Guy Who Always Presses "Yes"" < 1286057732 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I do not have administrative privilege on that computer) < 1286057763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Languages suck. < 1286057862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Please make a language that doesn't suck. < 1286057947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they suck this time? < 1286057976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All reasons! < 1286058002 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's focus on a specific area. < 1286058011 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do arithmetic operators suck? < 1286058103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because. < 1286058200 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sucks about the + operator? < 1286058205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING < 1286058215 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, such as? < 1286058217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it requires multithreading to implement efficiently in INTERCAL < 1286058223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, that. < 1286058224 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what? +? < 1286058229 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1286058230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ^ < 1286058245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: two threads; one to do the addition, the other to check when it's finished < 1286058250 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, haha < 1286058262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is that what the standard library does? < 1286058267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it uses a less efficient version < 1286058271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no threading in the stdlib < 1286058276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but you optimise it? < 1286058278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1286058287 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't optimise all the way down to addition < 1286058295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, INTERCAL doesn't suck! < 1286058295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? why not? < 1286058297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you link a stdlib written in C rather than INTERCAL) < 1286058300 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286058304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because it only optimises individual statements < 1286058308 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does dc! < 1286058312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and INTERCAL addition requires a loop (or a very very very large expression) < 1286058314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1286058325 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION murders Flash < 1286058339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the stdlib version loops once per bit < 1286058347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the stdlib version loops once per bit < 1286064098 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah oerjan realised that you dipshit <-- well strictly speaking i only realized it after putting it into HackEgo < 1286064305 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286064323 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1286064328 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286064942 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : argh the logs cut off about an hour and a half ago <-- someone mail the guy to fix clog, it's broken < 1286064950 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you do it < 1286064955 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't have his mail < 1286064967 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do i < 1286064975 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :who do then < 1286064977 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does* < 1286064993 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : for instance, for a while there was a standard request for passengers to shift their weight to the left, because otherwise the doors wouldn't close <-- awesome < 1286065013 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't particularly have much weight to shift < 1286065025 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is 111 lbs last he checked < 1286065052 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what is that in the SI system units? < 1286065073 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ~50kg < 1286065080 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286065085 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's tiny indeed < 1286065091 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is closer to 85 kg < 1286065098 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I'm tall < 1286065107 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is something like 80kg < 1286065116 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, 189.5 cm < 1286065139 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 180 cm or so < 1286065148 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so you are short :P < 1286065154 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well not really) < 1286065166 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For certain definitions of "short", perhaps. Ones set by giants, for instance. < 1286065179 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed! < 1286065205 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I wish I had grown to 190 cm. 189.5 is *soo close* < 1286065209 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is annoying me < 1286065241 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What annoys me is non-SI units. < 1286065274 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially ambiguous ones. < 1286065317 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pound of feathers is heavier than a pound of gold. < 1286065322 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why! < 1286065386 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what < 1286065400 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about a pound of pounds? < 1286065402 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pound of feathers is 454g. A pound of gold is 373g. < 1286065405 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count as gold? < 1286065424 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because precious metals are measured in troy weights, not avoirdupois weights. < 1286065430 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But both use the same names for their units. < 1286065478 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, "avoirdupois weights" <-- really? is it different from normal pounds of other stuff? < 1286065506 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The avoirdupois system of weight units is the typical one. < 1286065513 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Troy is used for precious metals. < 1286065573 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286065573 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, an ounce of feathers is lighter than an ounce of gold. < 1286065606 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :28 g and 31g, respectively. < 1286065622 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is this what you use? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:English_mass_units_graph.svg < 1286065640 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 avoirdupois ounces to the avoirdupois pound, 12 troy ounces to the troy pound. < 1286065643 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuugggh. < 1286065697 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1286065720 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, except that ony avoirdupois and troy units are in common use today, and the grain, scruple, pennyweight, shilling, mark, dram, clove, nail, stone, quarter, tod, hundredweight, and sack are obnoxious archaicisms in the US. < 1286065742 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, :D < 1286065759 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you should start using those, just to annoy people. With metric prefixes < 1286065766 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kilograin? :D < 1286065767 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a kiloclove < 1286065774 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or that! < 1286065796 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, it gets worse. The ounce is also a couple units of volume. < 1286065802 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286065808 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the mark? < 1286065814 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :about how large is it in metric units < 1286065832 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: An ounce of water != 1 ounce of ice, in volume. < 1286065842 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no mental picture of the magnitude of these units < 1286065853 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i do have for the SI system < 1286065893 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, "decisack", the word is awesome < 1286065968 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286065984 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because the fluid ounce is 29.5 ml, and the dry ounce is 31 ml. < 1286065992 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1286065998 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, why on earth < 1286065999 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: dry units of volume not in common use) < 1286066011 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aside from the peck & the bushel) < 1286066023 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"peck & the bushel"? < 1286066046 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used for measuring agricultural yields. < 1286066053 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286066057 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, bushels of wheat, pecks of fruit. < 1286066066 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, iirc mostly m^3 here < 1286066100 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and a barrel of oil is not the same volume as a barrel of water, which is not the same volume as a barrel of wheat. < 1286066113 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :158L, 119L, 115L, respectively. < 1286066123 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1286066128 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you are so crazy < 1286066136 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you keep using that system < 1286066144 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: People claim it makes more sense. < 1286066147 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honest to God. < 1286066168 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also: 1 mile on land is not the same distance as a mile on sea. < 1286066190 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes but people write "nautical mile" when they mean it < 1286066191 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.6km and 1.8km, respectively. < 1286066194 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't call it mile < 1286066199 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but still. < 1286066215 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in aviation nm is used as the unit on instruments and such < 1286066219 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of fun < 1286066225 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is not nanometer < 1286066230 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nautical mile < 1286066314 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should note that there is no convenient conversion between cubic inches & units of volume. < 1286066341 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to be expected with a system that wasn't designed but grew over time < 1286066346 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike how 1L = 1dm) < 1286066369 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There *is* an easy conversion between units of volume and masses of water, though. < 1286066387 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 fl oz. of water is about 1 oz. of water < 1286066399 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it used to be exact before redefining the units in terms of SI) < 1286066399 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"about" < 1286066405 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286066481 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much like how 1L used to be 1kg of water before the SI units were defined more exactly. < 1286066537 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286066541 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you want even more of a headache? < 1286066552 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, go ahead < 1286066564 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each Commonwealth nation using customary units has their own definitions of them. < 1286066591 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, s/Commonweatlh/ < 1286066592 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how nice < 1286066595 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Anyways. < 1286066620 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tablespoon in Canada is 15ml. In US, 14.79ml. According to the FDA (a US government agency), 15ml. In Australia, 20ml. < 1286066640 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A US gallon is 3785ml. A UK gallon is 4546ml. < 1286066660 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite a large difference < 1286066702 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, the length and weight units were fixed by international treaty, so the only distinctions there are land/nautical and avoirdupois/troy. < 1286066735 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I should start using kiloseconds, it makes a lot more sense than minutes and hours < 1286066757 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... No, wait, the weight units are *almost* the same. A UK hundredweight is 112lb, and a US hundredweight is 100lb. < 1286066777 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in both, a ton is 20 hundredweights. < 1286066782 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close and yet so far. < 1286066793 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, over here a ton is 1000 kg. And a mile is 10 km < 1286066804 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's the metric ton. < 1286066806 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286066812 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and a scandinavian mile < 1286066819 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Us also uses metric tons. < 1286066844 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing we abhor more than sane units is consistent units! < 1286066900 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_mile < 1286066908 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a nice unit, if anyone else used it < 1286066920 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a nice size to be useful < 1286066928 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a reasonable unit. < 1286066932 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286066942 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and useful on the distances found in Sweden < 1286066947 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it is hectometer. < 1286066957 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, two mil to university for me < 1286066959 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286066960 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Megameter. < 1286066961 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or about that < 1286066964 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The data on my HD is degrading as we speak? < 1286066972 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286066974 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THINK JOSIAH < 1286066984 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONT FUCKING SCREW UP POWERS OF 10 < 1286066994 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have: 10 km < 1286066994 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want: megameter < 1286066994 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : * 0.01 < 1286066994 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't yell at me, yell at my dad on my behalf please < 1286067015 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why aren't there SI prefixes for every power of 10 in a useful range? < 1286067020 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have: 10 km < 1286067020 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want: hectometer < 1286067020 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : * 100 < 1286067059 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, because um, imagine having name for everything between giga and yotta, instad of just a few < 1286067071 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, result: even sillier names than "yotta" < 1286067071 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's powers of 1000. < 1286067077 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would be bad < 1286067124 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. < 1286067131 0 :augur_!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1286067152 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points out that nautical mile actually _is_ a logical unit. well approximately. < 1286067166 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh? < 1286067174 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It gets worse if you start trying to do physics using traditional units. < 1286067187 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden used to use metric units for flight, we don't any longer because no one else does < 1286067198 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's originally the length of one minute of arc of a meridian, useful for sea maps < 1286067202 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always combine deka/deci and hecto/centi with the standard prefixes < 1286067207 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it screwed up for altitude calculations with about everyone else < 1286067239 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Soviet was completely metric too < 1286067244 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for flight < 1286067251 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was about it < 1286067265 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: by "you can always" you mean "it's not actually permitted to" afaik < 1286067284 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, dekakilometer? < 1286067285 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1286067295 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ft^2°Fh/BTU, anyone? < 1286067296 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not actually permitted? who has the power to forbid this? < 1286067298 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :or kilodekameter perhaps < 1286067301 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what? < 1286067321 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not part of the standard, anyway < 1286067329 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286067340 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's a unit of thermal resistance. The foot-squared degree Fahrenheit hour per British Thermal Unit. < 1286067359 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, still flight use two units of pressure, and instruments are commonly marked with both SI units (hPa iirc) and inHg < 1286067375 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is the SI unit for it? < 1286067382 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Km^2/W < 1286067384 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286067405 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is "British Thermal Unit" exactly? < 1286067437 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1055.056 J < 1286067441 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286067445 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :how silly < 1286067460 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, now if SI could just get rid of the kg prototype < 1286067466 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1055.05585262 in the UK) < 1286067476 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :define it in terms of some natural constants or such < 1286067488 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the heat production corresponding to one second of british parliament discussion < 1286067492 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :like has been done for all the other prototypes < 1286067530 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, shouldn't "British termal unit" refer to UK always? < 1286067535 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nope! < 1286067539 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make sense! < 1286067542 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "UK British termal unit" is absurd < 1286067545 0 :augur_!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they _have_ gotten rid of the kg prototype, i think < 1286067553 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur_: No, it's the remaining prototype. < 1286067559 0 :augur_!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1286067560 0 :augur_!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1286067562 0 :augur_!?@? NICK :augur < 1286067577 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's currently debate over what possible replacement definition to use. < 1286067616 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones I like most involve defining the Avogadro constant exactly. < 1286067819 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :number of atoms in a standard avocado < 1286067940 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate exp (-1/0) < 1286067941 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-Infinity,0.0,1.0,2.718281828459045,15.154262241479262,3814279.104760214,I... < 1286067962 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you have any interest in physics? < 1286067977 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Vague. < 1286067990 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More practically, I am taking a physics course ATM, and as such have to care. :P < 1286068029 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: check out some of Julian Barbour's work (links to follow) < 1286068036 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Case for Geometry: http://pirsa.org/index.php?p=media&url=http://streamer.perimeterinstitute.ca/Flash/9a93c428-c616-4dca-8713-915277e28056/viewer.html&pirsa=10050060&type=Flash%20Presentation < 1286068058 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :The deep and suggestive principles of Leibnizian philosophy: http://platonia.com/barbour_hrp2003.pdf < 1286068452 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286068672 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: they _have_ gotten rid of the kg prototype, i think < 1286068676 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly, it's actually getting lighter < 1286068687 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, magic and all. < 1286068695 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wait.. HOW DO THEY KNOW?! < 1286068708 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know how they know but it was funny to say XP) < 1286068721 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, correction "lighter relative it's replicas" < 1286068721 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING ELSE IS GETTING HEAVIER < 1286068725 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286068728 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: their 1kg weights started getting lighter < 1286068729 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYWHERE < 1286068730 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is indeed not absolute lighter < 1286068738 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no < 1286068747 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE < 1286068756 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah, I just read about this :P < 1286068757 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was saying that everything weighing 1kg in the world got lighter < 1286068807 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice topic < 1286068856 0 :theoros!~theoros@unaffiliated/theoros JOIN :#esoteric < 1286068862 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286068866 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im off < 1286068870 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you in a bit, peeps. < 1286068873 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1286068874 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye augur < 1286068878 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: why thank you < 1286068887 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, hi! < 1286068907 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quark mating can be a bit up and down, you know < 1286068960 0 :theoros!~theoros@unaffiliated/theoros PART #esoteric : < 1286069057 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: if I wrote a comprehensive, referenced errata for that ed in Python post, would it get published? or would i languish here in my infinite pit of despair, envying pizza < 1286069071 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has its strange charm < 1286069111 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : /kick oerjan < 1286069122 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you desire recognition! < 1286069140 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, well, for what you work on to be useful) < 1286069141 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't < 1286069144 0 :augur!~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286069147 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: useful? < 1286069154 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be the most worthless piece of text ever written! < 1286069164 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: do you mean i should quit while on top, or that i've already hit rock bottom? < 1286069166 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dry analysis of something probably written in three minutes for the hell of it! < 1286069184 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does my computer insist that it's 19:26 while everything else insists it's 18:26? < 1286069187 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : /kick oerjan ;; Ha, ha, our op is retarded and can't type two /s. < 1286069197 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Your other computer is actually in a wormhole bubble across a timezone. < 1286069203 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some clients don't use two // < 1286069203 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: probably both < 1286069207 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i mean i'm gonna beat you up red, green and blue < 1286069209 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some clients also don't know of /say < 1286069214 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You will notice that if you eject the CD-ROM drive, it will disappear half-way through. < 1286069222 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: excellent, i shall get writing immediately < 1286069222 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And typing /msg #esoteric /whatever can be a prick < 1286069244 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I cannot let this ridiculous Canadian sloppiness go uncorrected < 1286069253 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "can be a prick"? Seriously? < 1286069255 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: well i guess should expect being met with strong force < 1286069257 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286069259 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i should < 1286069275 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what? < 1286069281 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Because my timezone got set wrong. Fuuuccck. < 1286069283 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't swear like a sailor? < 1286069296 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. Wormholes. < 1286069308 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't think ANYBODY says that :P < 1286069313 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if they do, they shouldn't. < 1286069317 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, XD < 1286069327 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say it. Happy? < 1286069429 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1286069447 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I guess the mating quarks find each other charming? Though I guess it is a very strange topic to humans. < 1286069451 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1286069466 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, watched Sintel? < 1286069478 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, is it released? < 1286069484 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well sometimes they're just meson around < 1286069485 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1286069491 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ < 1286069493 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, :D < 1286069496 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286069499 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, not just the trailer? < 1286069508 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know befunge < 1286069508 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: [[Errata for the article "Python Implementation of ed" by *null, as < 1286069508 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :printed in issue 114.1 of the University of Waterloo Faculty of < 1286069509 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics Student Newspaper mathNEWS.]] < 1286069513 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the trailer 14 minutes long? < 1286069514 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want this title to be more precise, it can be. < 1286069534 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I thought youtube videos were limited to 10 minutes? < 1286069544 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1286069547 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, yes < 1286069548 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one is 14:48 somehow < 1286069552 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no. < 1286069556 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, a lot of us do < 1286069557 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not for registered thingybobs. < 1286069569 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it's Vorpal who asked < 1286069588 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[download] Destination: eRsGyueVLvQ.video <-- wtf is .video < 1286069588 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I didn't realize BlenderFoundation was a registered thingy < 1286069613 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file eRsGyueVLvQ.video < 1286069614 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eRsGyueVLvQ.video: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2 < 1286069615 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1286069629 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your video output acceleration driver does not support the required resolution: 2048x872 pixels. The maximum supported resolution is 2046x872." < 1286069631 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh < 1286069643 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1286069670 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, indeed < 1286069675 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was wondering if Befunge is related to Bungie? < 1286069685 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this mischan should I ask #alephone < 1286069687 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is dixon banned? < 1286069696 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, I have no idea what bungie is < 1286069703 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can't answer that < 1286069710 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone else < 1286069713 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: ^ < 1286069727 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is bungie < 1286069729 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the right chan for Befunge questions < 1286069733 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong one for Bungie questions < 1286069750 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats what I'm asking is, there a relation < 1286069765 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not since nobody here knows what bungie is ?? < 1286069773 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that none of us have heard of Bungie, pro.. what lament said < 1286069775 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Pfhortran is related with Bungie < 1286069779 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It rings a bell though < 1286069782 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than stretchy rope < 1286069788 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament lol < 1286069789 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: don't submit to me < 1286069791 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about stretchy rope dbelange < 1286069796 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION Googles < 1286069800 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some video game dev? < 1286069810 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i am merely asking for feedback, you... you worthless bear-mauler < 1286069824 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha! Proof that several video games are made in Befunge! < 1286069829 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't be a coincidence < 1286069830 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: wait, the company? < 1286069839 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah I'm wondering pretty much about video game developing in Befunge < 1286069843 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: bungie make marathon and halo < 1286069851 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is pretty much a game already < 1286069856 0 :Sgeo!?@? NICK :GlennBeck < 1286069857 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: no relation whatsoever < 1286069859 0 :GlennBeck!?@? NICK :Sgeo < 1286069861 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in luck befunge is pretty much designed for video game development < 1286069861 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how is it even a game... < 1286069863 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that nick is registered < 1286069867 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: xD < 1286069869 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: But they did make Pfohrtran < 1286069877 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is -- hunt the wumpus! < 1286069895 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: of which google knows nothing < 1286069907 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't someone have like chess in befunge < 1286069920 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Pfhortran < 1286069939 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway befunge is like a basic RPG < 1286069939 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it's a language designed for video game stuff < 1286069951 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0x1d378b0] avcodec decoder error: more than 5 seconds of late video -> dropping frame (computer too slow ?) < 1286069953 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaargh < 1286069967 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :*goes to sintel website and downloads lower res* < 1286069976 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still now I get way less than my monitor < 1286070015 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haden't even heard of Sintel until a celebrity tweeted about it :/ < 1286070018 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Anyway befunge is like a basic RPG ;; what? < 1286070024 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why do you follow celebrities < 1286070050 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not sure < 1286070056 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Felicia Day, to be specific < 1286070063 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not someone like Brittany Spears < 1286070073 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or whoever < 1286070074 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well you have a man who moves < 1286070095 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are registers (could be HP, gold, ....) < 1286070102 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this is a better example http://alfedenzia.com/scuttle/scuttle.html < 1286070143 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: i guess you _could_ ask the inventor cpressey if he was inspired by RPGs, he sometimes comes here < 1286070164 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ok < 1286070181 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im wondering mostly tonight though (lol) about making befunge into a game < 1286070193 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bringing out its Inner Game XD < 1286070196 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that other languague < 1286070197 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love it if someone just came in here and asked about PSOX < 1286070201 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it called < 1286070204 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grainfimple? < 1286070206 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with mouses and cheese and stuff < 1286070210 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why not, we've already made brainfuck into a game at least twice :D < 1286070216 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1286070230 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Hunter? < 1286070235 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hunter, yes < 1286070251 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm partial to Taxi < 1286070260 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it comes to those sort of langs < 1286070268 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like increment is treasure chest, decrement is orcs, ... etc < 1286070270 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: http://catseye.tc/projects/hunter/doc/website_hunter.html < 1286070295 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes same author too < 1286070342 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure dbelange is just fucking with us. < 1286070370 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286070390 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: um it's not a weirder idea than many others around here... < 1286070395 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1286070424 0 :flippo!~frivol@unaffiliated/flippo JOIN :#esoteric < 1286070430 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: fwiw my intentions are more noble than comp games < 1286070455 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason dbelange is fucking with us is that he's not actually going to implement this < 1286070474 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*noble*? < 1286070482 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Townsburg! http://www.bigzaphod.org/taxi/map-big.png < 1286070484 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: I want to make befunge into a game for didactical reasons < 1286070491 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read the Diamond Age < 1286070568 0 :bavarious!~bavarious@pdpc/supporter/student/bavarious JOIN :#esoteric < 1286070603 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any way I think that a computer game that teaches kids to think in terms of universal machines (TM or s-exps say) would be beneficial no? < 1286070636 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most games that have been made with this goal in mind have only done regular languages or SOMETIMES context-free < 1286070681 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of http://worrydream.com/AlligatorEggs/ < 1286070708 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Taxi TC? < 1286070772 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would love to see turing machines kidified < 1286070782 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for a regular language you might have robot games, or a tower defence < 1286070830 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think a 2d TM or stack-based thing (like befunge) where registers are HP or caches of trasure < 1286070840 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decrementers are orcs and traps < 1286070858 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be beneficial to kids learning to think < 1286070903 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But decrement isn't evil < 1286070917 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is if the stack is empty rofl < 1286071136 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl ololo < 1286071211 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, wrt sintel: meh, not what I expected < 1286071353 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286071434 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: hey we got another fag in the channel < 1286071441 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points at dbelange  < 1286071459 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament, nasty thing you did there < 1286071460 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so thats 100% of the channel still, then, ey? < 1286071498 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286071505 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, also pop on empty stack in befunge is just pop 0. If that is what you meant. < 1286071525 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything on empty stack acts as if it popped 0 < 1286071531 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1286071536 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lé sigh. US poverty rates hit 14% of the population. < 1286071538 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how do you die < 1286071549 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I read that as "USB poverty" first XD < 1286071553 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hooray! < 1286071564 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :puberty rates < 1286071566 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, um you mean exit? @ < 1286071580 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, or in befunge-98 you can use q, which pops an exit code < 1286071594 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :both befunge93 and befunge98 has @ < 1286071595 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I think some crash would be better < 1286071597 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes no parameter < 1286071601 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :parameters* < 1286071604 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge must have bugs < 1286071606 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2004 < 1286071623 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, hopefully not, since I maintain a befunge-98 implementation < 1286071659 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, anyway, you might want to design a fungoid then < 1286071738 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't want to build it from the ground "up" < 1286071818 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think with the proper interpertation and tileset (or diablo style gfx) it would be useful < 1286071823 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1286071825 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286071837 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :tileset? < 1286071839 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1286071851 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for graphics... < 1286071851 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you plan on displaying the running program? < 1286071853 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1286071862 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd also want an implementation that displays ongoing internals probably < 1286071873 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with ASCII graphics? < 1286071885 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kids might not like it, I guess < 1286071895 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal have you read the Diamond Age < 1286071898 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how do you display ongoing internals? Befunge-98 has at least 2^32 * 2^23 < 1286071901 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the funge space < 1286071905 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't display that < 1286071907 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just can't < 1286071912 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key is to slowly develop it more and more so that at first it's like 3d < 1286071917 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it is ascii < 1286071924 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it is 1010101 < 1286071929 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard of "diamond age" < 1286071931 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the stack (there's a stack, right?) < 1286071950 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: and then it's just 0000000 < 1286071962 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The display is centered on the player, liek diablo < 1286071962 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's just Om < 1286071968 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i think for this limiting fungespace to screen size is ok. or maybe panning... < 1286071980 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ultima < 1286072011 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: there are a number of avid nethack players in the channel < 1286072024 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is nethack < 1286072037 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1286072058 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember reading that diablo was inspired by nethack < 1286072075 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 2d game with ascii graphics, afaiu. but otherwise very complicated. < 1286072080 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably the other way around, diablo is pretty old < 1286072087 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the oldest < 1286072089 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, no. nethack is older < 1286072094 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, 1980s < 1286072117 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :still developed of course < 1286072122 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some values of developed < 1286072124 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol dbelange < 1286072146 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, our inside man < 1286072154 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, yeah that last comment basically made me label him mentally as "newbie and/or troll" < 1286072155 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nethack's 10 years older than Diablo. < 1286072156 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exposing the true nature of the criminals < 1286072193 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: /msg about the fish plan < 1286072205 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diablo's not even the oldest game *from Blizzard*. < 1286072223 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says nethack was released in 2003?? < 1286072232 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, last version of it < 1286072232 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: try 1987 < 1286072235 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the original version < 1286072237 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither "1980s" nor "active developing" < 1286072245 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack is a single-player roguelike video game originally released in 1987. It is a descendant of an earlier game called Hack (1985), which is a descendant of Rogue (1980).[2] Salon describes it as "one of the finest gaming experiences the computing world has to offer."[2] < 1286072256 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's really just a modified Hack, which is 1982 < 1286072263 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :1985 < 1286072268 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286072272 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hack was created in 1982 by Jay Fenlason with the assistance of Kenny Woodland, Mike Thome, and Jonathan Payne. A greatly extended version was posted on Usenet in 1984 by Andries Brouwer. It is licensed under a 3-clause BSD-like license.[1] < 1286072278 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1985 is the release of Hack that NetHack is based on < 1286072279 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a descendant of an earlier game called Hack (1985), < 1286072294 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack doesn't really center on the character. YOu know what does? Crawl < 1286072299 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise hates me now < 1286072299 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hack (1982) --> another Hack release (1985) --> NetHack (1987) --> ... -> NetHack (2003) < 1286072305 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: ^ i drew you a nice diagram < 1286072322 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, so now that you're done arguing about things that dont matter < 1286072325 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it difficult to believe that anyone with a taurine host hasn't heard of nethack < 1286072326 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about Befunge?? < 1286072329 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, the levels in NetHack aren't freakishly huge < 1286072335 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Hack's more an improvement on Rogue, which is from 1980. < 1286072368 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :moreover, I find it much easier to believe that a CSCer is trolling < 1286072416 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes, but drawing diagrams is fun < 1286072419 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not? < 1286072429 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hack's a total other game :P < 1286072431 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha dbelange < 1286072432 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set --> Grp --> Fag < 1286072444 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in a club the membership in which implies you know Nethack < 1286072450 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange just set his groping option to fag < 1286072458 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawt. < 1286072460 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1286072483 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what is this Fag category < 1286072493 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise :: Fag --> Top < 1286072498 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> < 1286072499 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is the Grp --> Fag functor < 1286072500 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????? < 1286072500 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking categories there yeah < 1286072506 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: is that meant to be haskell? < 1286072513 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is --> ????? < 1286072521 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a monad < 1286072522 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it's actually quite fun to see Sgeo this confused < 1286072532 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange, .... < 1286072535 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1286072546 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PART #esoteric :"Until next time" < 1286072553 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do believe there is some --> thing < 1286072553 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Clearly an interesting type-level operator. < 1286072556 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i forget what < 1286072556 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Grp isn't a monad, you need an Eq restriction < 1286072566 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Sgeo got trolled < 1286072597 0 :Kordalien!~chatzilla@adsl-71-141-89-187.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286072654 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel guilty about driving someone away, even if that someone is a complete and utter moron < 1286072666 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I still think that the thoughts about Befunge for kids might be a good idea < 1286072679 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Turing Machine for kids would be better imo < 1286072688 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poe's law for esolangs :D < 1286072724 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: dude, he's not a moron, he was trolling < 1286072727 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :successfully, too < 1286072811 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :very successfully < 1286072828 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hey, what I'm supposed with the 200 kg salmon that arrived. UPS claims you are the sender! < 1286072915 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ??? < 1286072927 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what < 1286072947 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, seriously ... what? < 1286072952 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, fish plan.... < 1286072958 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ohhhhhhhhhhhh. < 1286072959 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms < 1286072966 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have too much of a headache to get that < 1286072976 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1286072978 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait trolls are not a subset of morons? < 1286072993 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: most trolls are intelligent people pretending to be morons < 1286073011 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are however a few morons that are trolls < 1286073018 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :often rather failed ones < 1286073020 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :none are any good :P < 1286073028 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286073054 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would it look like if I were to troll #esoteric ? < 1286073068 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't work < 1286073070 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ONE ANSWER THAT < 1286073078 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, okay < 1286073091 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spiritual gunk, then when told otherwise, try to combine spirituality and computer science? < 1286073106 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that's just pathetic < 1286073745 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have discovered something alise will surely find disturbing http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/dlsks/simon_peyton_jones_ghc_7_status_update_video/c115tsm < 1286073765 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1286073783 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stop distracting me, I have a mathNEWS article to write by Monday! < 1286073789 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm totally getting paid for this you know < 1286073796 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches alise's worldview shatter into incompatible pieces < 1286073858 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i would if he hadn't applied such hard-handed evasion tactics < 1286073935 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even I find it disturbing < 1286074017 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what's so earth shattering about it, I can't watch that link < 1286074042 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry it's secret < 1286074066 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't have flash... < 1286074098 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit uses flash? mind you i haven't even looked at the video, just the comments < 1286074109 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no the linked to page < 1286074112 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, oh that < 1286074119 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but I don't see that anywhere? < 1286074124 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in the video < 1286074127 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not on the page < 1286074141 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a comment _about_ the video, obviously < 1286074145 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286074186 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but "[...] or Reddit communities."? < 1286074195 0 :bavarious!~bavarious@pdpc/supporter/student/bavarious PART #esoteric :"bye" < 1286074222 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286074233 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the heck Vorpal is actually seeing on his screen < 1286074244 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just linked to a reddit comment sub-thread... < 1286074250 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, *oh* < 1286074344 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol Vorpal is stupid < 1286074346 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lacks flash < 1286074430 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a flash player before you recommend it to anyone < 1286074468 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also Jameshfisher is obviously being sensationally argumentative like a lot of redditors, i just found what he pointed out amusing < 1286074600 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "[...] or Reddit communities." is just to complain about being downvoted < 1286074614 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1286074619 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1286074629 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1286074802 0 :hailtothethief!~oh@97-115-130-102.spkn.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286075920 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, hailtothethief is in fact Vorpal < 1286075989 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286076399 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that time of year again http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11447095 < 1286076507 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes the Management Prize < 1286076596 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK FIREFOX FUCK FLASH FUCK THE LACK OF SWAP SPACE < 1286076627 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: make a big file on your harddisk and then do swapon to it < 1286076636 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey PRIVMSG #esoteric :i THINK you can do that < 1286076672 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My harddisk is a 2GB USB stick, with just 1GB of user data space, and .. about 100MB left < 1286076680 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ty < 1286076805 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1286076813 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should learn to play with Blender at some point < 1286076815 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3d games < 1286076866 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, I want to see that paper < 1286077242 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash just crashed in the middle of me watching something < 1286077256 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :how surprising < 1286077576 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286077668 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jane1 < 1286077800 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 PART #esoteric : < 1286077968 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286077974 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jane1 < 1286077983 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi a;ise < 1286078001 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286078014 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286078030 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a;ise < 1286078055 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry,alise < 1286078064 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286078081 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The crashes are happening much more now < 1286078204 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the end is nigh < 1286078220 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cries < 1286078243 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe an update of Firefox etc. will help? < 1286078284 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, Gwibber gets OAuth < 1286078285 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1286078291 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can now actually use it < 1286078367 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs too much disk space to update everything < 1286078371 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to cry < 1286078508 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286079378 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286079758 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286079834 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try Puppy Linux again or something < 1286079917 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286079988 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB stick might not have been in tightly enough < 1286080008 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that could be the cause of the incessant crashing < 1286080872 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_errata my favourite page < 1286080882 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets truly hilarious a bit lower down < 1286080887 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially all the names < 1286080977 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their owl husbands." < 1286080983 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite fond of "Thou shalt commit adultery". < 1286081053 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: a fowl fate indeed < 1286081109 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Their Owl Husbands" would be a good band/novel name/title. < 1286081157 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight from the howly book < 1286081162 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up :P < 1286081167 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286081374 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286081391 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286081603 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody should print a version of the bible that has every error ever known to be printed in a bible. < 1286081746 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cowbirdsinlove.com/980 < 1286081782 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Christ condemneth the poor widow" // Christianity is a very capitalistic religion < 1286081928 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286081975 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com TOPIC #esoteric :Are the mating habits of quarks really the subject of ephemeral ontologists? Or would they be more wealthy discussing http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D ? < 1286082043 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what this topc message means < 1286082176 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/topc/topic/ < 1286082314 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's actually meaningful. < 1286082341 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't think it is actually meaningful. < 1286082344 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286082400 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's amusing though :P < 1286082419 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1286082462 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it certainly doesn't lack unmeaning. < 1286082483 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is ephemeral ontologists? < 1286082501 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably people who study short-lived things. < 1286082519 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or people who are short-lived studying things. < 1286082523 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or --- yeah :P < 1286082525 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1286082637 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I so good at not doing anything? < 1286082651 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :RARGH READ FYTHE SPEC < 1286082667 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too busy doing fuck-all! < 1286082682 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of stuff to fuck! (All stuff) < 1286082686 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did find the problem in the Enhanced CWEB, which I have now fixed. The problem was inserting discretionary breaks after \BIS < 1286082710 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm like Wowbagger with more sex. < 1286082998 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 PART #esoteric : < 1286083143 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286083239 0 :jane1!~zsw@112.95.147.149 PART #esoteric : < 1286084389 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1286085314 0 :zeotrope_!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1096642318.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1286085336 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1286085337 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1286085345 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286085460 0 :zeotrope!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1096649934.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286086447 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Im looking for a bento box, it cant be pinku (thats japanese for pink) or any girl color. It has to be of 2 or more kotoba (thats japanese for 2 compartments) and has be be chibi(small) sized" < 1286086461 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My faith in humanity is dying. < 1286086496 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pinku" X-D < 1286086524 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kotoba" is Japanese for "word" and "chibi" is a slang term for a cutesy drawing style. < 1286086542 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From "chiisai hito", I think. < 1286086544 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's actual-Japanese for pink? < 1286086552 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinku < 1286086569 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, that's presumably an import from English. What's pre-English Japanese for pink then? >_> < 1286086592 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRE-ENGLISH JAPANESE WERE TOO AWESOME FOR PINK < 1286086599 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-8 < 1286086600 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tankôshoku < 1286086614 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that just "light red" compressed or something? < 1286086639 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faint red color. < 1286086649 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or momoiro. Peach color. < 1286086663 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pinku is by far the most common, though. < 1286086678 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :momotaro < 1286086690 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, same morpheme. < 1286086766 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I had to look up ones that weren't "pinku". < 1286086812 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinku shirtu, domo arigato < 1286086842 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: pinku shâtsu wo kudasai; domo arigatô. I think you mean. < 1286086864 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, dômo arigatô. < 1286086868 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSSIBLY < 1286086909 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if shâtsu is an english loanword < 1286086915 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1286086942 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It refers to button-up shirts. < 1286087018 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shouldn't talk - the original word "kortbukser" is almost completely replaced by "shorts" in norwegian < 1286087020 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps you mean: hįnnku siȳâtu wo kutàsai; tồmo arikàtô. < 1286087105 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wouldn't know, you know < 1286087126 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps you mean "domo arigato, Mr. Robato". < 1286087179 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CERTAINLY NOT < 1286089973 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ò ḥóẅ Ɨ ♥ çőḿṗốŝę. < 1286090400 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiiii < 1286090914 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286091126 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bitrebels.com/geek/this-pool-creates-waves-in-the-shape-of%E2%80%A6anything/ < 1286091283 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Awesome. < 1286091363 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good thing they got Japan Kramer to check it out. < 1286091424 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286091437 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually japan kramer is the guy who made it. < 1286091455 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T SPEAK JAPANALANG < 1286091461 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that for safety testing. < 1286091481 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are using that to figure out how to make better safety testing procedures for boats. Seriously. < 1286091492 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was Japan Business Suit Guy < 1286091505 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The guy who made it, that is) < 1286091519 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too suit-y. < 1286091529 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He talked more like a businessman than anything else. < 1286091788 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what's up with Japan Kramer there. < 1286091816 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since he's crazy-Euromerican-looking. < 1286091837 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I got nothing, and I understood the video. < 1286092777 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286093068 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you understand EVERY WORD? < 1286093078 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I understood most of it. < 1286093088 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe encoded into one seeming-innocuous unrecognized word was a lengthy exposition on the role of each of the people in the video. < 1286093587 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1286094768 0 :Kordalien!~chatzilla@adsl-71-141-89-187.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286095169 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286095225 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's clog? < 1286095243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed that the logs cut off halfway through yesterday. < 1286095470 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap < 1286095472 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pipes are probably... < 1286095475 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts on sunglasses < 1286095477 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :clogged. < 1286095478 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION must figure out how to get a log < 1286095484 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :YYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! < 1286095486 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :becase dbelange was in here < 1286095716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who? < 1286095757 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, doesn't one of Gregor's bots keep logs? < 1286095777 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codu.org/projects/esotericlogs/hg/ < 1286095925 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, it doesn't log anything interesting. < 1286095930 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the moment. < 1286095949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :By my calculations, we have 2 hours before the next log fetch. < 1286096448 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286096836 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculate wronger then < 1286097422 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286097425 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :* coppro must figure out how to get a log <-- your own irc client logs < 1286097441 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have them: your own issue < 1286097520 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could of course share mine, but why < 1286097626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because we don't have any others and we're not always online? < 1286097884 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: specifically, I meant to figure out how to get my client to dump logs < 1286097900 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has logs of some length < 1286097911 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually about a day and a half in here < 1286097924 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes less < 1286098198 0 :iGO!~xk001@78.130.6.210.rev.optimus.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286098396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, XChat? < 1286098642 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286099056 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: specifically, I meant to figure out how to get my client to dump logs <-- hm... < 1286099071 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :-coppro- VERSION irssi v0.8.12 <-- okay, no clue < 1286099076 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should be possible < 1286099086 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about dumping scrollback though < 1286099094 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is different from logging I think < 1286099103 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :logging starts from the point you activate it < 1286099137 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, still I could give you logs I guess, they are in a custom xchat-like format and are in the CEST timezone < 1286099145 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is UTC+2) < 1286099650 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286099715 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@194.236.14.54 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286099906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, please. < 1286099924 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not in general, just for coppro specific usage I meant < 1286099943 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We all want the logs! < 1286099973 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if coppro wants the logs I will paste the link in the channel. < 1286099998 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but I see no point in helping you, you seem to hate me usually. < 1286100008 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touché. < 1286100051 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1286100112 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, quick, ask for logs! < 1286100400 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, since you were just interested in the bit where dbelange was in here, that is all I will include. But now, bbl for a few hours < 1286100739 0 :zeotrope_!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1096642318.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286102610 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286102626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286102750 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286102905 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286102947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where was that thought experiment with the sphere of air that approximated the Poincaré hyperbolic model? < 1286104459 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286105236 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1286105236 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk QUIT :Changing host < 1286105236 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1286105257 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1286105314 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many have come here this week asking for the smallest way to initialize cells in brainfuck to 67, 100 and 111? < 1286105490 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, none that I know of, why? < 1286105492 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw: < 1286105495 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep -Ev '^#|[0-9]+/(tcp|udp|sctp|dccp)' /etc/services < 1286105495 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuelink 5271/tdp # StageSoft CueLink messaging < 1286105498 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is tdp? < 1286105510 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I googled and it seems IANA itself lists it as tdp too < 1286105519 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not just a typo in my local copy < 1286105521 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because it's part of the dutch informatics olympiad :P < 1286105545 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like cheating helping you then < 1286105566 0 :Salemakoum_!~akoumsale@82.198.3.45.satgate.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286105601 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tag distribution protocol < 1286105609 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not asking :) < 1286105614 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286105624 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, or it could be a typo for either udp or tcp < 1286105634 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, after all it is the only tdp port listed there < 1286105641 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: < 1286105643 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.protocols.com/pbook/tag.htm#TDP < 1286105643 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuelink 5271/tdp # StageSoft CueLink messaging < 1286105643 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuelink-disc 5271/udp # StageSoft CueLink discovery < 1286105645 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks suspect < 1286105652 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1286105653 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :one tdp and one udp < 1286105672 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :the d is not far from the c < 1286105688 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, assuming qwerty < 1286105703 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a safe assumption though < 1286105704 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people have qwerty < 1286105791 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, you know there's a huge table of constants on the esolangs wiki? < 1286105802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're clever enough, they'll find that. < 1286105817 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues to wrestle with DCGs. < 1286105832 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know that, but I need something smaller :P < 1286105912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you restricted beyond what passes for BF's spec? < 1286105926 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, if you are taking part in this competition it seems like cheating to help you < 1286105950 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :true :/ < 1286105953 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: stop helping me < 1286105971 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not likely to be able to help. < 1286105984 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :cells are unsigned 8-bit < 1286106205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrapping? < 1286106217 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of length are you aiming for? < 1286106270 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Note that even very well-known de facto uses of EtherTypes are not always recorded in the IEEE list of EtherType values. For example, EtherType 0x0806 (used by ARP) appears in the IEEE list only as "Symbolics, Inc., Protocol unavailable."' < 1286106271 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1286106335 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: anything lower than 74 < 1286106351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :For each number or in total? < 1286106364 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :in total < 1286106374 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the idea is to print a string "CodeCup") < 1286106383 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286106398 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen CodeCup < 1286106408 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 +++++++++++[>+++++++++>++++++>++++++++++>+<<<<-]>>+.>+.<<+.+.>.>++++++.-----.>-. [400] < 1286106409 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will iirc include a newline < 1286106416 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it is rather stupid < 1286106424 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, doesn't help you much < 1286106438 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 74 without the \n < 1286106466 0 :Salemakoum_!~akoumsale@82.198.3.45.satgate.net QUIT :Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi < 1286106493 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286106533 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, anyway there are obvious ways to make that shorter, due to the competition nature of the thing I won't help you with that though < 1286106549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, I can get 67,100,111 in 47 characters, but that's probably not enough. < 1286106615 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that was just concatenating the wiki's constants. < 1286106645 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives 76 < 1286106727 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concatenating and reusing the C? < 1286106751 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And adding one for the e? < 1286106781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the p? < 1286106853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 'C'.>'o'.>'d'.+.<<.>>>'u'.<<+. < 1286106871 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am reusing the C already < 1286106943 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stop helping me < 1286107088 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, poor Yorick. I knew him, Horatio! < 1286107191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well. That only gets it down to 79. < 1286107378 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should put an ignore on that line < 1286107422 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even terribly good... < 1286107675 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should somehow be able to take advantage of the fact that they are all one more than a multiple of 11 < 1286107729 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed you should. And 11 is probably shorter as a a calculation of something else < 1286107770 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't < 1286107785 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1286107794 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++[>++<-]+ <-- that's 13 < 1286107808 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...its size is 13, it calculates 11 < 1286107825 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++[>+++<-]++ <-- that's also 13 < 1286108073 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is that list of constants at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants but of course for a longer string it most likely is not sensible to just concatenate those. < 1286108169 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text generator used by the bot can do it in 73 characters with the "-t 3" flag and no newline. < 1286108431 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I sure hope I didn't accidentally help.) < 1286108505 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will not look at the textgenerator < 1286108509 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I already knew about the constants < 1286108834 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have it in 73 chars :/ < 1286109130 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :The text generator is limited to programs of that very simple form, so it's not going to figure out anything very clever. (No nested loops or anything.) < 1286109136 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMM/ < 1286109142 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: HMMMMM! < 1286109159 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor's hg repository for the esologs cuts of at the exact same byte as clog's! < 1286109163 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hidden Markov Models? < 1286109182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So last night effectively never was. < 1286109215 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, um, it fetches from clog afaik < 1286109221 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just his way to store clog data < 1286109233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there no other logs? < 1286109246 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, your own client may log < 1286109251 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, same goes for your bouncer < 1286109260 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any other public logs. < 1286109262 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, maybe time to set up something yourself? < 1286109282 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm interested in the logs from when I was offline and my computer off. < 1286109293 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so use a bouncer on a vps :P < 1286109310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, do you have one of these? < 1286109337 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spare no expense! What's more important, your next lunch or adequate #esoteric log coverage? < 1286109343 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a VPS? No. Or rather: depends. Not for general use though, and I have my own bouncer on a server on my lam < 1286109370 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are reasonable free public shell services. A few at least. < 1286109375 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have logs for last night, and will you give them to me? < 1286109406 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, 1) yes I have them 2) why should I, you have been acting like a jerk towards me most of the time < 1286109412 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't you go through this already? At least I think I saw something like that in the logs. < 1286109424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'll reform! < 1286109467 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why should I trust you? ehird has too much influence over you. And he promised similar things in the past for me providing some info only I had.... < 1286109474 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :and um that didn't exactly work out well < 1286109485 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Here's an idea: reform as a cube. < 1286109492 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, good idea < 1286109497 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :more people should do that < 1286109498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!?@? NICK :Phantom_Cuber < 1286109504 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1286109521 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a changed platonic solid! < 1286109562 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm not that much of a jerk anyway! < 1286109580 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: You should put that in your CV, that's a really nice way of putting it. < 1286109593 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not that much of a jerk." Definite hiring potential. < 1286109597 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber, how old are you now again? < 1286109601 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :13! < 1286109613 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? really? I thought you refused to tell people? < 1286109629 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :6227020800 years; an ancient. < 1286109630 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've reformed, remember! < 1286109634 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are that desperate for logs, you are addicted or something, can't be healthy :P < 1286109661 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286109666 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know who the mystery person is! < 1286109767 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I will filter out private info from logs < 1286109792 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286109825 0 :Harpyon_!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286109837 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should point out that I'm not actually 13. < 1286109851 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm not *that* much of a jerk. < 1286109856 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :See! Reformedish! < 1286109860 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber, hm < 1286109865 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber, so how old are you really? < 1286109887 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As old as the winds blowing in the trees... < 1286109949 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that you really stop being so much of a jerk though, probably not likely, but oh well... < 1286109977 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/CXgQ < 1286109998 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber, and why did you not consider asking fizzie? It is well known he keeps logs after all < 1286110013 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, WHYYYY < 1286110034 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber, why what? < 1286110050 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why anything? < 1286110065 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :11. Security Considerations < 1286110065 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : This document is about security; as such, there are no additional < 1286110065 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric : security considerations. < 1286110066 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286110080 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit silly to even need to include such a section in an RFC < 1286110104 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from "RFC 5062 - Security Attacks Found Against the Stream Control Transmission Protocol (SCTP) and Current Countermeasures") < 1286110109 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@93-82-35-71.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1286110321 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@93-82-35-71.adsl.highway.telekom.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, whats your HTML Editor of choice (Windows)? I've tried Dreamweaver for some days now, but its just too heavy. < 1286110342 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel... < 1286110391 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@93-82-35-71.adsl.highway.telekom.at PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright. < 1286110392 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I use a text editor with syntax highlighting for html, I don't know any windows apps, but surely something like emacs has been ported) < 1286110595 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Windows port of gvim, that's not too shabby. It's not exactly an "HTML Editor" though. < 1286111947 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1286112234 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → things < 1286112483 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286113787 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I got a solution in 70 *O* < 1286114005 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohnoes! a solution! < 1286114033 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mixes in some chemicals in an attempt to neutralize the solution < 1286114068 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: a solution to the "make the smallest possible BF code that prints "CodeCup"" < 1286114105 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at his selection of chemicals ... < 1286114121 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.. i dont have what it takes to neutralize that :/ < 1286114149 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++[->+++[->++>+++>+++<<<]>>+<<<]>>+.>+.>+.+.<<.>++++++.-----. yay < 1286114349 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does this give: ++++++++[>++[->++++++<<]>><<]>>.>+>++.<.>++++----. ? < 1286114508 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives 0x7 0x2 0x7 0x2 < 1286114527 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty close, eh? < 1286114536 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286114584 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats probably my first and last attempt at writing anything that remotely resembles BF source < 1286114706 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286114749 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: http://pastebin.com/drd9hPyE (give it input C) was my first attempt < 1286115638 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-246.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286117389 0 :Flonk_!~chatzilla@80-123-39-245.adsl.highway.telekom.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1286117584 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@93-82-35-71.adsl.highway.telekom.at QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286117597 0 :Flonk_!?@? NICK :Flonk < 1286117671 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286117949 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286118135 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286118200 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant say my attempt was very honest since i really just took what you pasted, and removed random characters :P < 1286118267 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286118340 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :are genetic algorithms any great for bf code generation? < 1286118356 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBABLY NOT < 1286118391 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT? < 1286118447 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages that work well for local search techniques for problem solving are ones that have a semi-continuous solution space < 1286118475 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subset of BF including +,-,., and , have this property < 1286118477 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :While it might not work well for BF i think it works far better for BF than so so many other languages < 1286118495 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole [] construct doesn't really < 1286118531 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286118563 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooo... < 1286118568 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have a copy of the logs? < 1286118619 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: a testrun of http://code.google.com/p/bf-code-generation/ reveals that you are right < 1286118625 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a amtter of transforming the loop construct into a [[[[[[[[[ construct, where the number of ['s tells how many of the following characters are supposed to be looped < 1286118633 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i was in the room, but i may or may not have logged it >.> < 1286118677 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what the < and > means in bf though < 1286118679 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zuu: you mean a bounded loop? < 1286118693 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that only primitive recursive functions can be generated? < 1286118714 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, no its simply a syntactical change < 1286118730 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i mean, that's cool and all, most biological computers (people for instance) can only compute primitive recursive functions anyway. . . < 1286118750 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i get it < 1286118752 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa[xxxxxx]bbb would be written aaa[[[[[[[xxxxxxbbb < 1286118756 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're dropping the ] < 1286118783 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i don't think that changes anything really about the difficulty of GA on it < 1286118794 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286118799 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may make it slightly better < 1286118808 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sends off an email to Faré < 1286118814 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :asking him to restart clog < 1286118907 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is clog supposed to be more a pun on what happens to drains or shoes that make sounds? < 1286118924 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the former. < 1286118946 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing Faré's political opinions he'll probably ask me to pay for the restart ;) < 1286118977 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i have about 24 hours worth of logs for sure. you want anything recent? < 1286119001 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: every line after < 1286119001 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:25:25 * Sgeo murders Flash < 1286119001 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:25:39 I think the stdlib version loops once per bit < 1286119003 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yesterday) < 1286119007 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those timestamps may be wrong for you) < 1286119011 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to when I joined would be nice :) < 1286119018 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okiedoke < 1286119021 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to reconstruct the timeline later if I ever get around to creating a full log DB < 1286119021 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286119193 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were in the chan until midnight my time. don't you have logs of that? < 1286119222 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, true < 1286119231 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i left the channel a few times accidentally though < 1286119262 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loading this 2.6 mb log file is fun < 1286119292 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah, okay, I only need my quit to my join < 1286119295 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1286119298 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1286119305 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whops wrong window < 1286119378 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/UVXyzY2t <-- is this really horrible? it generates BF code from desired-string input :) < 1286119439 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a full log of this channel for the entire time i've been here < 1286119451 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: how does that work for sufficiently big numbers? < 1286119455 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have a file containing just the last 24 hours for you here... < 1286119458 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where shall i send it? < 1286119464 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: filebin.ca? < 1286119468 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1286119473 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286119485 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timestream must be preserved! < 1286119487 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it generates code wrong a string between "A"-"z" < 1286119493 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no need for anything bigger < 1286119508 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: oh. < 1286119512 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring :P < 1286119533 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should totally use dynamic programming or something! < 1286119577 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it should, that's part 3 of the challenge :P < 1286119606 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge? < 1286119610 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/xnyacp/furalise.txt < 1286119615 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: dutch informatics olympiad < 1286119625 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: laaaaaaaaaaaaaaawl < 1286119628 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so don't help me :) < 1286119637 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: shouldn't you be coding :) < 1286119642 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: groan @ filename < 1286119655 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 10:23 < alise> oerjanerer ;; you know, i have all that logged < 1286119661 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: just finished part 2...still thinking/planning < 1286119666 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to 00:55 -!- alise [~alise@91.105.114.37] has quit [Quit: Leaving] :-P < 1286119722 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286119733 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: with irssi, it's easier to just dump the entire scrollback buffer to a file < 1286119733 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :part one was make a normal bf code generator, part 2 was make something small yourself, part 3 is make a size-optimizing code generator < 1286119741 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286119749 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia-2010-10-02-03; what a terrible filename < 1286119770 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally some day I'll get a hold of Vorpal's private logs and merge them with the clog ones :P < 1286119776 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a log of our PMs? < 1286119783 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286119785 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that txt < 1286119791 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(furalise) < 1286119798 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm too anal to not give it a meaningful name! < 1286119835 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the 03 at the end for? < 1286119837 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286119842 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2nd to the 3rd < 1286119843 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it < 1286119851 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah precisely :P < 1286119868 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked my filename better < 1286120099 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :mopr < 1286120223 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes looking for something on dynamic programming < 1286120245 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: does it really say dynamic programming? < 1286120252 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was joking, but i guess it could help < 1286120263 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: genetic programming is usually what is done for this < 1286120268 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen poop < 1286120277 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen yorick < 1286120285 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit slow though < 1286120288 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1286120288 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1286120291 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :44 ++++++++++[>+++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>++.-..+.>. [282] < 1286120293 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it just says "write something that generates a size-optimized bf-code for a random string" < 1286120315 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I looked at genetic programming, it appears to be horrible < 1286120318 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: genetic programming will help a ton. dynamic programming won't. the above uses genetic programming, so does everything else < 1286120320 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i'll say :) < 1286120337 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: oh, you don't, like, genetically program from nothing to the string < 1286120355 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you start with a regular RLE'd one, and then start mutating that in ways that make it smaller < 1286120357 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could be totally wrong though < 1286120360 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe ignore me < 1286120374 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will look into that < 1286120388 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: i'd link you to the one egobot uses but *uh* pretty sure that's against your rules < 1286120413 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should think a dynamic programming solution would do pretty well... < 1286120422 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:44 < coppro> crap < 1286120424 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use the java thing? < 1286120430 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoted for prosperity < 1286120435 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: uhh, yes, it does use some sort of java thing < 1286120451 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use the "bf-code-generation" java thing? < 1286120461 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know; however i can link you. < 1286120470 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's not it :) < 1286120480 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link would contain it < 1286120490 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: no -- egobot has its own copy of everything. < 1286120499 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/trac/egobot/export/114%3A1fe97d50a1d8/multibot_cmds/interps/bf_txtgen/textgen.tar.gz < 1286120503 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the code < 1286120518 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, wait, just .class :D < 1286120524 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: i distinctly recall it was in a cvs repository < 1286120527 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it *could* have just evolved into that < 1286120569 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: how are they bowlderising "brainfuck"? :) < 1286120579 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/index.cgi/file/1fe97d50a1d8/multibot_cmds/interps/bf_txtgen < 1286120582 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "BF" < 1286120599 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: hmm, are you Dutch? < 1286120606 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: yes < 1286120629 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: did you work on OTS ? < 1286120634 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: booring :) < 1286120636 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: no < 1286120643 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<yorick> https://codu.org/projects/egobot/hg/index.cgi/file/1fe97d50a1d8/multibot_cmds/interps/bf_txtgen ;; this is just egobot's launcher for it < 1286120652 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Gregor < 1286120652 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286120663 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how dynamic programming would help. < 1286120683 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I found the .java already :/ < 1286120699 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: ohh, right, it's .java < 1286120702 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking .class < 1286120705 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i'm dumb :) < 1286120723 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:49 < Phantom_Hoover> Wait, doesn't one of Gregor's bots keep logs? < 1286120728 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that just mirrors clog < 1286120742 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:17 < Vorpal> if you don't have them: your own issue < 1286120742 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:18 < Vorpal> I could of course share mine, but why < 1286120748 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*that* would decrease my average overall snottiness!" < 1286120753 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh @ java < 1286120792 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: that has nothing to do with the algorithm :P < 1286120816 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it makes it about 28% less readable < 1286120820 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:59 < Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, if coppro wants the logs I will paste the link in the channel. < 1286120820 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:59 < Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, but I see no point in helping you, you seem to hate me usually. < 1286120825 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that time of month again for Vorpal! < 1286120829 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: than *C*? < 1286120842 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it doesn't have any malloc()s, sure Java is ridiculously verbose, but you should easily be able to figure out the algorithm < 1286120842 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: than *python* < 1286120848 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: oh, i thought that C was yours < 1286120852 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is lame :P < 1286120853 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it is too < 1286120865 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: I hate Java, C and Python, so you cannot rebut >_>) < 1286120873 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++! < 1286121245 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: congratulations, that's the worst language you've named so far! :D < 1286121274 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: javascript! < 1286121305 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: is fucked up in strange ways. But at least it's based on Scheme.. < 1286121319 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :true :) < 1286121321 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like JS < 1286121332 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :visual basic! < 1286121498 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: >_< < 1286121572 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i was wondering why warzone 2100 was so polished, then i googled it and found out it was originally a commercial game < 1286121573 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how surprising :P < 1286121727 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen -g 200 -t 3 abcdefg < 1286121741 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: doesn't it do "$foo" in the launcher script? < 1286121745 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one may want to run it locally. < 1286121754 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it works locally :) < 1286121769 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :++++++++++++[>++++++++>><<<-]>+.+.+.+.+.+.+. <-- it brings the world things like this :) < 1286121781 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BancSTAR! < 1286121798 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL! < 1286121807 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: yeah >><< is a special kind of stupidity :) < 1286121811 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: just run a BF->BF optimiser on it < 1286121815 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not difficult to elide things like that at all < 1286121830 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1286121835 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286121859 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I should study it, forget all about it and write my own :) < 1286121863 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]......[ < 1286121876 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't egobot's do that automatically? < 1286121877 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1286121881 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz that would be the smart thing < 1286121881 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no < 1286121888 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]........[elidable] < 1286121898 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it should :P < 1286121927 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:21 * yorick will not look at the textgenerator < 1286121937 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www4.kingdomofloathing.com/createplayer.php? < 1286121939 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :classes < 1286121947 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :in KoL are sooooooo awesome < 1286121972 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286121979 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: shhh < 1286122017 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that was for writing my codecup text thing < 1286122020 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a generator :P < 1286122618 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see a red robe and I want to turn it black < 1286122655 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to put it on with my wizard hat < 1286122688 0 :Harpyon_!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no QUIT :Quit: Harpyon_ < 1286122757 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastamancer < 1286123207 0 :tombom_!~tombom@86.26.78.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286123207 0 :tombom_!~tombom@86.26.78.24 QUIT :Changing host < 1286123207 0 :tombom_!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286123284 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286123291 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:37 < Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, why should I trust you? ehird has too much influence over you. And he promised similar things in the past for me providing some info only I had.... < 1286123300 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phanty, you have been CORRUPTED! You HORRIBLE BASTARD! < 1286123403 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:45 < Vorpal> I hope that you really stop being so much of a jerk though, probably not likely, but oh well... ;; he's only a jerk when you are < 1286123673 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :are people in this channel generally emotionally instable? < 1286123741 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, only a few of them < 1286123768 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does that include you? < 1286123798 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, well personally I don't think so, or at least there are far worse people in here. < 1286123809 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, rather it is that I and alise don't get along at all < 1286123826 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: no no it's very simple < 1286123829 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone in here is cool except Vorpal ;) < 1286123835 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I see < 1286123870 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say instead that everyone in here apart from alise, and to some degree phantom_hoover, are cool < 1286124139 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, besides you don't get along with Quad*r*e*scence (* to avoid highlight), and a few more people. So your statement was exaggerated presumably < 1286124167 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just a troll. and never talks. < 1286124170 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't really count < 1286124186 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :=D < 1286124259 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286124336 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clog, even :( < 1286124379 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: E's been plungered. < 1286124403 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have logs < 1286124420 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, unlike Vorpal (watch carefully yorick -- this is how a professional does it), i won't argue with you before linking them < 1286124429 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/xnyacp/furalise.txt, props to quintopia < 1286124469 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I MAY STILL HAVE TO BAN YOU FOR THAT < 1286124491 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny because oerjan has ops and never uses them! < 1286124500 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"never" < 1286124514 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Never" indeed; more oftener than, say, I, I'd say. < 1286124516 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those logs seem incomplete as well < 1286124528 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are complete up until when i got in here < 1286124542 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286124555 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can give you those if you want < 1286124575 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well unless someone pinged me, never mind < 1286124602 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286124681 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Vorpal> not sure about dumping scrollback though <-- i did manage to do that and start logging into the same file once, but it was a pain i thought < 1286124770 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two different commands, and not a common format for choosing a file i think < 1286124920 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :< yorick> how many have come here this week asking for the smallest way to initialize cells in brainfuck to 67, 100 and 111? <-- we have a wiki page for that, brainfuck constants < 1286124972 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wrapping versions are afaik minimal < 1286125014 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have found my solution already :) < 1286125035 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and I know about the wiki page, needed something smaller < 1286125105 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean to initialize to all three at once? i guess that might be smaller than combining the separate algorithms. < 1286125133 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're lucky < 1286125158 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++[->+++[->++>+++>+++<<<]>>+<<<]>>+.>+.>+.+.<<.>++++++.-----. it is :) < 1286125186 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints "CodeCup" :) < 1286125196 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map chr [67,100,111] < 1286125197 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Cdo" < 1286125259 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks a little more complicated than what EgoBot's program does < 1286125262 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :(part of the dutch informatics olympiad) < 1286125267 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1286125311 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1286125312 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1286125337 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1286125337 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1286125345 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_textgen CodeCup < 1286125351 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen CodeCup < 1286125363 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot see it in the list :( < 1286125364 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :82 ++++++++++[>++++++++++>+++++++>+++++++++++>+<<<<-]>>---.>+.<<.+.>.>++++++.-----.>. [135] < 1286125371 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe it's separate from both < 1286125372 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1286125373 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help . < 1286125376 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286125416 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286125422 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's an actual interp < 1286125426 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't make nesting loops of course, it's a rather simple algorithm < 1286125437 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it takes command-line arguments and stuff and blah < 1286125443 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah i want to make my own now... < 1286125456 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I *have* to make my own now < 1286125459 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286125463 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu's idea of [^n meaning next n instructions are in a loop is interesting... but not that exact syntax < 1286125468 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that stops you doing [[ (BF) < 1286125481 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how to do it though < 1286125486 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: well you seem to have beat it already < 1286125501 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have not made my own generator < 1286125505 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the next one) < 1286125523 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286125592 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to enable viewing window contents when resizing, this *is* 2010... < 1286125660 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: my windows actually scale while resizing < 1286125672 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :and change size when done < 1286125672 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, i still have that option off < 1286125680 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: i tried that once, it was godawful < 1286125690 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes you *think* you have some perception of what it'll look like and you decide how to resize it based on that < 1286125691 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then OOPS NO < 1286125707 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :X11 really sucks at resizing though, especially with browsers < 1286125710 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite pathetic < 1286125747 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course with real resizing the window border flashes. lol. < 1286125761 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :< yorick> but stop helping me <-- IT'S IN OUR BLOOD < 1286125764 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux graphics: Think you know how much it sucks? Nope! More than that! < 1286125777 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but then I'll have cheated :/ < 1286125791 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, no, just credit us as ... creative assistants! < 1286125815 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I like how helping people is the deep, dark, horrible flaw in our blood. < 1286125822 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I cannot actually do that :/ < 1286125827 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: we're joking :) < 1286125860 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual live resizing is horrible :) < 1286125860 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: IT'S NOT PROPER CAPITALISM. well unless we charge i guess. < 1286125893 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: only on X11 :P < 1286125899 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: true < 1286125910 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's just because X11 is the most hilariously 80s thing ever dreamt of < 1286125928 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :also true < 1286125928 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more hilariously 80s than back to the future? < 1286125933 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's buy one million dollar server and five gajillion $5 monitors and keyboards! < 1286125938 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NETWORK! < 1286125950 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cannot be much of an olympiad if you're actually capable of _contacting the outside world_ during the contest... < 1286125951 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: but it has nice ssh forwarding :) < 1286125953 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well. in software :P < 1286125956 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more hilariously 80s than everything about the show "everybody hates chris"? < 1286125961 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is just the first round < 1286125963 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: yeaah but toolkits should do that really < 1286125970 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it just sent down gtk messages and local gtk rendered it < 1286125972 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be much nicer < 1286125976 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: tell that to my old TRS-80 games :D < 1286125984 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: fine! late 80s! < 1286126000 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: but then you'd need _toolkits_ < 1286126004 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : it cannot be much of an olympiad if you're actually capable of _contacting the outside world_ during the contest... ;; "We will now seal you inside a Faraday cage. There will be no food." < 1286126014 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: because you program in pure X-over-socket? :) < 1286126026 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: possibly! < 1286126046 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a brilliant set up < 1286126050 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the food thing < 1286126068 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll still need power < 1286126077 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I'll secretly DLAN over it :/ < 1286126088 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: no, no, you get a hole in the wall with a computer in it < 1286126102 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'll hack the computer! < 1286126103 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a keyboard -- without those pesky unneeded F keys and the like -- and a monitor, running only a compile/run button and an editor < 1286126109 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus some paper on the wall telling you what to do < 1286126113 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck getting past that < 1286126124 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah and it's all baked into the wall so you can't get any of it out < 1286126131 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the part that allows you to run your own code :) < 1286126139 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: in a qemu VM < 1286126144 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286126147 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no devices < 1286126156 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu has been proven unsafe < 1286126162 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: qemu inside virtualbox inside ... < 1286126164 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :without virtualisation < 1286126171 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah and the editor is custom and only supports arrow keys, backspace/delete, and typing < 1286126198 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow don't think this is gonna happen < 1286126586 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Zuu mixes in some chemicals in an attempt to neutralize the solution < 1286126610 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :A NEUTRALIZED SOLUTION IS STILL A SOLUTION < 1286126643 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably want to make it precipitate < 1286126755 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mixes in some chemicals to precipitate the solution < 1286126892 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it _could_ be he doesn't mind solutions, as long as they're not too basic < 1286126896 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ping < 1286126936 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION freezes the solution with LN? < 1286126941 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*LN2 < 1286126962 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently 2-subscript is unicode. I don't transmit unicode. < 1286127274 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1286127278 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of us do < 1286127295 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know you're anal when you decode FLAC files just to re-encode them with --best. < 1286127511 0 :Kordalien!~chatzilla@adsl-71-141-89-187.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286127561 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...how the hell is this .flac file smaller than a --best re-encoding? < 1286127721 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ALIEN TECHNOLOGY < 1286127728 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only possible answer < 1286127763 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLZ NOW I HAVE TO FIND A TRACK THAT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO < 1286127811 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does there exist a turing-complete language in which a program's inverse is just that program written backwards? is that even possible? < 1286127830 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Kayak comes close < 1286127876 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i thought about that once. < 1286127888 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: only close? < 1286127898 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we don't know whether it's TC or not? < 1286127914 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also have to switch to the other matching bracket < 1286127919 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286127925 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I continue trying to wrestle with DCGs? < 1286127928 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fixable, surely? < 1286127929 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: yes < 1286127933 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: they're jawesome < 1286127936 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*jawsome < 1286127947 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are, but they're rather irritating. < 1286127967 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah you could have a matching system where ) ... ( and ( ... ) are both possible < 1286127980 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's easily fixable in fact. just make it so that at the top level either ordering is equivalent < 1286127981 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't recall that kayak does that < 1286127993 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: how, with nesting? < 1286127995 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hm < 1286127997 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1286128002 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo )bar( quux) < 1286128003 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, once below the top level, you have to use the convention you chose at the top level < 1286128006 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need whitespace-sensitivity :D < 1286128013 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like nopol < 1286128017 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that with <> and >< < 1286128026 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the first ) matches the previous ( because there _is_ a previous ( to match, simply < 1286128034 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right. < 1286128045 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/oklopol/nopol.txt unfortunately lacks any examples < 1286128054 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait that ><> ending sequence might have one < 1286128055 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1286128066 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has Burro been mentioned yet? < 1286128075 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burro doesn't qualify < 1286128097 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't, but it's relevant. < 1286128097 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Kayak TC? < 1286128113 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kayak is TC iirc. but not all programs actually _halt_, in which case reversing it isn't really _that_ meaningful < 1286128120 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus, it would be easier to buy the fucking single and extract the track off at this point < 1286128136 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kayak is TC iirc. but not all programs actually _halt_" < 1286128139 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there is no tc tag on the page < 1286128141 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine it is unknown < 1286128150 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kayak is TC iirc. but not all programs actually _halt_" <-- just love the redundancy of this < 1286128154 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, that's good enough. We only care about reversibility for halting computations. < 1286128178 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you sometimes need to include a bit bucket for tossing information into, if two inputs give the same output < 1286128193 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is something any reversible TC language requires < 1286128196 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it could ununhalt unforever! < 1286128201 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a place to store unnecessary information < 1286128206 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Burro manages TCness with antiprograms. < 1286128223 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all function have to be bijections for invertibility to make sense < 1286128299 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "the set of all functions with finite output" is equivalent to "the set of all bijections, possibly with some of the output discarded" < 1286128359 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr.. . ."finite output" should probably be "output sized as a function of input size"... < 1286128507 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing i don't like about kayak (and other reversible languages like befreak) is they include arbitrary rules just to force reversibility < 1286128522 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "In addition, code must result in an empty temporary register when the structure is exited." < 1286128563 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if the limitations on the language fell out of the semantics of provided instructions rather than externally imposed limitations. < 1286128592 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286128639 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION once pondered how to do reversible jumps in a way that didn't depend on a jump target having to be a jump itself < 1286128658 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Burro has some neat constructs, but reversible brainfuck pulled off the whole "set of programs form a group under concatenation" thing better IMO < 1286128700 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is it possible? < 1286128705 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how < 1286128706 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's similar. i thought you could have jump flag, which was toggled by the jump instruction. if the target wasn't an instruction toggling the jump flag, the machine would just _keep on_ jumping < 1286128707 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = x+y < 1286128708 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1286128710 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x) = x-y < 1286128712 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286128714 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,y) = x+y < 1286128715 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1286128716 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,y) = x-y < 1286128718 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't count as "reversible" < 1286128719 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1286128723 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,y) = (x+y, x-y) < 1286128723 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does < 1286128725 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could even have a delay for pipelining < 1286128769 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort of "you cannot change the jump countdown if it is between -N and N" < 1286128777 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at 0 you jump < 1286128782 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: or f(x,y)=(x,x+y) or (y,x+y) < 1286128796 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah < 1286128824 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm not following < 1286128844 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the simple version with just a flag, or the pipelining version? < 1286128868 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing the flag thing is like unto Burro's implicit loop? < 1286128873 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain better < 1286128874 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286128877 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be < 1286128893 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if i buy the single, i need a usb optical drive < 1286128915 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb optical drives r p cool dewds < 1286128933 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286128934 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but this is all for the sake of having a flac version rather than mp3 :) < 1286128941 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have a program counter as usual, and then a jump destination register. if at the end of an instruction the jump flag is set, then those two registers are switched < 1286128941 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1286128942 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 new from £76.95 < 1286128944 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind! < 1286128949 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's for a SINGLE! on CD!) < 1286128955 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HOW) < 1286128959 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like a jump with offset instead of a jump to destination directly? < 1286128977 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be an offset < 1286128993 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _could_ be that instead, of course < 1286128993 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1286129031 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you store the destination to jump back to in your main register before toggling the jump flag < 1286129043 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286129061 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes that reversible? < 1286129066 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er minus the "back" < 1286129091 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the jump flag is _not_ toggled by the jumping itself < 1286129099 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's essential for reversibility < 1286129101 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone *please* explain to me how on earth a CD single can cost £76.95 :) < 1286129135 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the destination address contains an instruction toggling the jump flag, everything works as expected < 1286129163 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286129171 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to see what makes it reversible < 1286129175 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if it doesn't? < 1286129227 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then after the destination instruction has been performed, since the jump flag is still set, the program counter and the destination register are switched _again_ < 1286129278 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd essentially keep jumping back and forth every other instruction until something toggles the flag, i think < 1286129300 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the usual increment of program counter would apply as well, of course) < 1286129345 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the jump jumps to what was in the dest register BEFORE or AFTER swapping? < 1286129364 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also include a flag for reversing execution direction in this, that's useful for "cascades" which compute something, store the result then uncompute again to save memory < 1286129390 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: AFTER swapping the program counter _is_ the old destination register < 1286129411 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumping is just changing the program counter, after all < 1286129424 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're swapping the PC with the dest register < 1286129440 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense < 1286129490 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what if i want to jump from A to B then from B+6 to C? how does that look in the reversed version? < 1286129601 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well after unperforming instruction C, presumably the destination register will contain B+7, and the jump flag is set, so it is swapped with the PC, which is then decremented, the B+6 instruction un-unloaded, etc. < 1286129636 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the B+6 instruction should toggle the flag, as should the B instruction < 1286129657 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all of those instructions mentioned need to toggle the flag < 1286129667 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh because they had to toggle it to begin with, they'll toggle it now too < 1286129672 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286129674 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think that works < 1286129680 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where's the language based on this? < 1286129692 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere, alas :D < 1286129701 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY < 1286129722 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does the pipelined version do? < 1286129847 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have a jump preparation flag and a jump countdown register instead of just a jump flag < 1286129912 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er call that jump countdown flag < 1286129948 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while the JCF is set, the JCR is decremented after each instruction. when JCR=0 swap as above. < 1286130033 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pipelining is effected by some additional restrictions: you can only toggle the JCF when JCR is _outside_ some [-N,N] interval, and you can only change the JCR explicitly when the JCF is off, and never to a value in [-N,N] < 1286130070 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this prevents all changing of scheduled jumps that are within a too short distance < 1286130166 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether this would be very useful is another question < 1286130169 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you write a program that knows when it is going to jump so that it can put the branch instruction into the pipeline in advance? < 1286130198 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and so it can load instructions at the destination in advance as well < 1286130211 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it knows in good time when it will switch over < 1286130382 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bf2kayak.pl is a Brainfuck-to-Kayak compiler, written in Perl. I haven't tested it carefully, but it works with some simple programs. I hope this will resolve any lingering doubts as to the Turing-completeness of Kayak." < 1286130401 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/kayak/doc/kayak.html) < 1286130498 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, later < 1286130501 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286130736 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286130751 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is wrong with the log program? < 1286130782 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It died under mysterious circumstances. < 1286130796 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's file is there, but empty. < 1286130880 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps if they did it like how CthulhuIRCd does the log, it might work better, but I don't know for sure. < 1286130917 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. on the server side) < 1286130942 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filebin.ca/qfbjap/zzo38.txt this is the last ~24 hours < 1286131001 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, it is a bit different format than the clog < 1286131020 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also a different timezone < 1286131058 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well forgive me for not being perfect < 1286131068 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's eastern daylight time < 1286131072 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :convert it in your head < 1286131092 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's OK. < 1286131099 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just mentioning that the format is different. < 1286131114 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMT-4 iirc < 1286131125 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286131128 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC-4 < 1286131132 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMT-5 < 1286131167 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1286131195 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an open-source APL-alike? < 1286131398 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is another kind of IRC log format (so that you will not get mixed up with timezones): http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/SIRCL < 1286131429 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1286131431 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1286131435 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cjb < 1286131437 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :old school < 1286131468 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: not that old school, they only offered redirection way back right? < 1286131474 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas that points to zzo38's actual computer afaik < 1286131483 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so dns < 1286131516 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've been doing dns for years too < 1286131561 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, incidentally, did anyone else express their displeasure with the addition of Dottyweb to articles? < 1286131591 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1286131594 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286131599 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno if i got around to saying so on the talk page < 1286131600 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: No. Nobody expressed anything about the addition of Dottyweb to articles. (Although I did put it in the summary text so that you can complain on the Talk page) < 1286131612 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can i be lazy and complain here? < 1286131641 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be fine with it if we had a discussion about it first and agreed on it < 1286131642 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You can, but that won't affect my decision unless you complain on the Talk page. < 1286131657 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not going to complain in one specific place just because you want me to... < 1286131662 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we can have a proper discussion about it with everyone else on the wiki at any time. < 1286131683 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally the discussion comes before the change < 1286131691 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It does not have to be on a specific Talk page, just put your complaints in any wiki page that is relevant. < 1286131725 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, IRC is better for discussions. < 1286131752 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind a discussion on the wiki, but i don't think i should have to initiate it, as i didn't make the changes < 1286131834 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I will initiate the discussion on the page of the wiki instead, though. http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Help_talk:Dottyweb < 1286131843 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that sufficient? < 1286131854 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I'll write some sort of reply. < 1286131861 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should suffice. < 1286131901 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1286132041 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I have added a comment, and so has Phantom_Cuber. < 1286132118 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: pong < 1286132143 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: am I in time for mathNEWS? < 1286132196 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286132205 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how long do I have? :P < 1286132209 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have at least 30 more hours < 1286132248 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, it's assembled on Monday, not Sunday? < 1286132259 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought monday was just when you guys printed it or whatever < 1286132301 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monday is the writing/proofing night, then the editors spend Tuesday doing layout and Wednesday it gets sent to the printer < 1286132307 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :Friday it gets released < 1286132342 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's much more time than I thought, then < 1286132357 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Sunday was a crazy day of proofing and layout and Monday it was sent to the printer, from what you said < 1286132381 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no < 1286132439 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get my link to the draft? i'm not sure whether i've got my crazyML right :) < 1286132441 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yesterday) < 1286132463 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will stop adding the {{.file| templates to things that I did not write myself. (If you think it should be removed from the other pages that I did not add it to, please do so yourself.) < 1286132471 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Okay. < 1286132519 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I did, but I have not read it < 1286132526 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1286132528 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do not have time right now. I have to go sort boardgames < 1286132536 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mammoth task. < 1286132574 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286132938 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know if there is any other IRC software that does channel log on the server. < 1286132981 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: cmeme used to < 1286132983 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it dieded < 1286132985 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :botte does < 1286132986 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1286133013 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot, not you, I suppose? < 1286133048 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot doesn't; nor fungot or EgoBot or HackEgo < 1286133048 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh. what'd he want? < 1286133050 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just clog and botte < 1286133071 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any of those are IRC servers that do server-side logging, which is what I think was asked. < 1286133094 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look. TV Tropes continues its march towards formal bureaucracy. < 1286133095 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on the earlier thing about CthulhuIRCd. < 1286133099 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I might misinterpret. < 1286133099 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes it is what I ask < 1286133113 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is based on opinion. < 1286133114 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't list it on a work's page as a trope. Examples can go here. " This is on the Crazy Awesome page. < 1286133137 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was no problem with that in trope listings. < 1286133155 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: :'( < 1286133167 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: If it depresses you, browse WardsWiki a bit. < 1286133170 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It cheers anyone up. < 1286133175 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, any hopeless programming nerd. < 1286133186 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c2.com/cgi/wiki I even clickified it for you! < 1286133243 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286133424 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear #esoteric: who wants me to document Hofstadter's typogenetics on the wiki? < 1286133514 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I do. < 1286133691 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will do it if two more people respond < 1286133718 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typogenetics? < 1286133740 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know what it is, so I suppose that's a "yes". < 1286133840 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, Nightmare Fuel is now classified as a subjective trope. < 1286133851 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it shouldn't be listed on the articles for works. < 1286133853 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286133896 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type div < 1286133897 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> a -> a < 1286133913 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: xDDD < 1286133918 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is that the TNT stuff? < 1286133919 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, sure < 1286133928 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: make sure to use the proper unicode though... at least i think he used some non-ASCII stuff < 1286133929 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Changing host < 1286133929 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/fiq JOIN :#esoteric < 1286133947 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the whole subjective trope list is depressing. < 1286133961 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/fiq QUIT :Changing host < 1286133961 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1286133967 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Who runs the thing, anyway? < 1286133968 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So Bad It's Good" < 1286133972 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_Tropes lists. < 1286133976 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*says. < 1286133991 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1286133991 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: truly depressing < 1286133995 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286133996 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes is not Wiipedia! < 1286133998 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Wikipedia! < 1286134037 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complete Monster. Adaptation Decay. < 1286134046 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: stop it. stop. < 1286134051 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: is Big Bad on there < 1286134053 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please say yes < 1286134053 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumping The Shark. < 1286134056 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not. < 1286134056 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morals aren't objective! < 1286134059 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: put it on < 1286134089 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nightmare Fuel and its relatives. < 1286134095 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not Fetish Fuel. < 1286134104 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moral Event Horizon. < 1286134111 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sequelitis. < 1286134131 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crowning Moment Of Awesome is thankfully not. < 1286134138 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wesley. < 1286134144 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: LET'S FORK IT! (no) < 1286134147 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunate Implications. < 1286134154 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tear Jerker. < 1286134165 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate my life. < 1286134177 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Popular, Now It Sucks. < 1286134187 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TV Tropes: It's popular, now it sucks. < 1286134190 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is *about the fandom's reaction*, not the work itself. < 1286134231 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1286134239 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are categories. < 1286134265 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Momentipelago is in them. < 1286134274 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Changing host < 1286134274 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/fiq JOIN :#esoteric < 1286134286 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is Fetish Fuel. < 1286134287 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/fiq QUIT :Changing host < 1286134287 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1286134306 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnificent Bastard. < 1286134309 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Large Ham. < 1286134409 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stop this. < 1286134418 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAGNIFICENT BASTARD IS SUBJECTIVE? < 1286134421 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY FUCKING THING IS SUBJECTVIE!!!! < 1286134424 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1286134516 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fast Eddie seems to have something to do with this. < 1286134525 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is one of the 3 founders AFAIK. < 1286134579 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: TNT is not a programming language per se. it has no imperative element to it. < 1286134617 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :typogenetics is the programming language designed to model the complexity of DNA/RNA/proteins < 1286134619 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, wha..? < 1286134628 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah. < 1286134649 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh that one < 1286134657 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: also, many languages have no imperative element. < 1286134661 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the lambda calculus < 1286134710 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they usually have some implicit imperative element though < 1286134727 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they don't... < 1286134728 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "evaluate this function by name" < 1286134729 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: [[Works for a major videogame producer as a hackist. Which is why he never goes into the Videogames section. Ever. < 1286134729 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :About to be fired unless he starts doing more matrix-algebraic hackitation than Tropering.]] < 1286134732 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: IRRITATING USE OF HACK < 1286134737 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's a model in an imperative universe < 1286134739 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the language itself < 1286134766 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, never trust someone who actually calls themselves a hacker. < 1286134772 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is less than 40. < 1286134773 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no, but it is an imperative element of the universe in which the language finds itself < 1286134800 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNT on the other hand is in a universe purely dreamed of for the declaration and specification of theorems < 1286134803 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Or is Eric S. Raymond. < 1286134813 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for the specification of algorithms to decide them < 1286134824 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i think you're wrong but whatever, it's irrelevant :P < 1286134825 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that's the Fundamental Theorem of Trustworthiness. < 1286134869 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: do you draw any line between "programming language" and "formal system for typographic manipulation"? < 1286134889 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a page he links: < 1286134893 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Irish Travellers are not Gypsies, yet they are often called so by Gadjo (non-Gypsies)." < 1286134894 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the code paragraphs are indented < 1286134900 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: not really. maybe. bleh, whatever < 1286134904 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the code paragraphs aren't < 1286134906 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
 is not 

< 1286134920 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: or, are you actually testing with the system or something? < 1286134941 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I was just looking at the previous issue < 1286134983 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, right, i see < 1286134989 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: is the "print" line indented? < 1286134991 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond the while statement < 1286135044 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, is it actually shown as monospaced??) < 1286135696 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: bah! busy sorting board games no doubt < 1286135743 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286135830 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you mad that I put too much money in your tea? < 1286135887 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed! < 1286135903 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I like my tea to be cheap. < 1286135954 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I drink my tea with all this money in it? < 1286135957 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW? < 1286136017 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :take the money out < 1286136018 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :drink < 1286136029 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't put money in tea! < 1286136029 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spend the money on more tea < 1286136035 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It destroys the flavour! < 1286136068 0 :iGO!~xk001@62.169.102.228.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1286136096 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the money is made of . . .tea leaves? < 1286136106 0 :flippo!~frivol@unaffiliated/flippo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Money is filthy, teaming with germs < 1286136126 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen to he who flips. < 1286136132 0 :flippo!~frivol@unaffiliated/flippo PRIVMSG #esoteric :[teeming] < 1286136145 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-246.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286136179 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-246.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286136271 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, incidentally, today's top story in the Edinburgh Evening News: < 1286136285 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CITY SET TO RIP UP TRAM CONTRACT" < 1286136319 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: do they like the trams or not < 1286136328 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They *HATE* trams. < 1286136347 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where normal tabloids have pedos, the EEN has trams. < 1286136356 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searching "tram" on their site: < 1286136364 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TRAM ROW GOES INTERNATIONAL" < 1286136368 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286136370 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link me to this site < 1286136372 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds amazing < 1286136382 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TRAM BOSSES HAVE NO PLANS TO REPAIR CRACKED FOUNDATIONS" < 1286136401 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TRAM WARS AS GERMAN CONTRACTOR WALKS OFF THE JOB" < 1286136422 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TRAM BOSSES DEFEND 'SCANDALOUS' EXPENSES" < 1286136430 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: <3 < 1286136440 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/ < 1286136451 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bundle of awful tabloid journalism. < 1286136470 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Search for "council": < 1286136481 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MEETING QUESTIONS SNUBBED AT COUNCIL MEETING" < 1286136489 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TRAM SHIFTS FOR POPE" < 1286136494 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played D&D game a few days ago, I try to win without making anyone else dead, I already managed to avoid kill the mindflayer and to sabotage the bell, now we can convince them the god Mask is dead < 1286136543 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people do not like this kind of game they prefer to kill everyone and to avoid too much complicated ideas < 1286136563 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point they talked about the dangerous level of carbon given off by tram works. < 1286136585 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The comments are pretty fun as well. < 1286136611 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I prefer to kill everyone in real life. < 1286136611 0 :flippo!~frivol@unaffiliated/flippo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seem to be a lot of quotes from tories. < 1286136624 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OWN GOAL FOR COMPUTER GAMES FAN ROBBED OF NEW TITLE WITHIN MINUTES" < 1286136639 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: what xD < 1286136649 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MAKES NO SENSE < 1286136660 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: O, you prefer to kill everyone in real life? Include you? < 1286136674 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes; me after everyone else. < 1286136677 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canada is next on my list. < 1286136678 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not one paragraph in that article is more than a sentence long. < 1286136687 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Do link. Before you die. < 1286136699 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a thing to behold. < 1286136704 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Own-goal-for-computer-games.6562082.jp < 1286136706 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.jp? < 1286136718 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Japanese! < 1286136722 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Java Page? Who knows. < 1286136742 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GIRLS WHO LEAVE SCHOOL EARLY MISSING OUT ON VITAL CANCER JAB" < 1286136746 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play D&D game try to don't kill everyone, is more interesting than the other way, isn't it? < 1286136766 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: CANCER jab???? What < 1286136771 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. But in real life... < 1286136777 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HPV jab. < 1286136801 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: lawwwl < 1286136811 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people may be the biggest problem in real life, but that doesn't mean it is one that ought to be fixed. (At least not for another million years or so, if ever) < 1286136851 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JUNGLE TRIP ASHLEY CAUGHT IN UPRISING" < 1286136878 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO, WORMS! < 1286136886 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Too late, I am already doing so. < 1286136932 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286136957 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new 2D Worms game for the PC. < 1286136968 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The day, I saw thought, never. < 1286136997 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TEAR UP TRAMS CONTRACT, DEMAND CRITICS" < 1286137005 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LESS TRAMS MORE WORMS < 1286137099 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is making better nonsense than the newspaper < 1286137114 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Only nonsense to the uninformed, my friend! < 1286137144 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The day, I saw thought, never." this makes no sense to anyone informed or not < 1286137153 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rearrange it. < 1286137183 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Never thought I saw the day?" < 1286137197 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still not a very good sentence < 1286137204 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know what I mean. :P < 1286137331 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ceefax will end in 2012! < 1286137347 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is obviously the catastrophe the Mayans predicted! < 1286137691 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: NO < 1286137825 0 :ehird!d55ec16e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.94.193.110 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286137846 0 :ehird!d55ec16e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.94.193.110 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286137924 0 :ehird!d55ec16e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.94.193.110 QUIT :Client Quit < 1286137945 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was not me. < 1286137974 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: quintopia: was that you? < 1286137995 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Twasn't me. < 1286138004 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not that evil < 1286138018 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless I said something like "This isn't actually ehird" < 1286138084 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1286138084 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1286138085 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me < 1286138108 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just walked into the kitchen and somehow i've got a really tasty spice smell on my fingers now < 1286138201 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants to give me lot sof money?! < 1286138217 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the government! < 1286138226 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :P < 1286138233 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone whois that ehird when it was online? < 1286138254 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ehird (d55ec16e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.94.193.110) has joined #esoteric < 1286138264 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's any help < 1286138395 0 :Flonk!~chatzilla@80-123-39-245.adsl.highway.telekom.at QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854] < 1286138454 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means he used webchat < 1286138459 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka zero help < 1286138628 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the IP, though; a hotel in Dublin. < 1286138646 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in/around/ < 1286138675 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds hard to fake, but useless for identification < 1286139001 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :check this out: https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=1xMe6RAsshEhAfbyrJQggLZV6-buMvZFYCj-v9N-uGE6nphQm_Iw2rw5IulhV&hl=en&authkey=CO78idQG < 1286139173 0 :fizzie!?@? PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the name *was* in use, then! (Re the "Grasp" draft at http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Fizzie I sketched.) < 1286139349 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there so few languages that look nice when printed? < 1286139401 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Because. < 1286139403 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortress! < 1286139434 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been able to get Fortress working... < 1286139485 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, someone announced that Duke Nukem Forever was going to be released? < 1286139487 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPOSSIBLE < 1286139575 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : So, I got that Feather spec and implementation finished. < 1286139625 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evening News: "FORTH BRIDGE PAINTING COMPLETED" < 1286139650 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stallman: "Hey guys! The HURD is finished! Now stop using that silly Linux thing." < 1286139672 0 :comex!?@? NICK :TheLastPOPE < 1286139675 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the major flaw with the spec i linked that i commented on to the authors when i first read it last year was that it didn't have the property you specify in your sketch < 1286139693 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: in particular, i would love to see a merging of your idea and the ideas in the above spec < 1286139726 0 :TheLastPOPE!?@? NICK :comex < 1286139746 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wait, someone announced that Duke Nukem Forever was going to be released? ;; it is < 1286139755 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: The past elope. < 1286139781 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duke Nukem Forever's nonexistence has been a constant for as long as I have particularly cared! < 1286139788 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What will I believe in now?? < 1286139811 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also, your methods for implementing your "main idea" bear a striking resemblance to the methods the authors of Illumination Software Creator use. < 1286139886 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to do that "FSM in a planar graph with one storage module" idea... < 1286139939 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B132EBA.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286139951 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286139975 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wherein some form of network transmission protocol would have to be implemented. < 1286140257 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: also, your methods for implementing your "main idea" bear a striking resemblance to the methods the authors of Illumination Software Creator use. < 1286140260 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is NOT a good thing :D < 1286140566 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how one would perform subgraph matching in Prolog. < 1286140582 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: just pointing out how hard it is to be original when creating languages < 1286140603 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: wut < 1286140612 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are different enough in this case that a small modification would give them a lot of merit < 1286140657 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for Eodermdrome. < 1286140668 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a subgraph in this context? < 1286140673 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1286140956 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: BTW, flac -f --best < 1286140965 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I did that. < 1286140968 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That decodes and reëncodes, preserving metadata < 1286140971 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay then. < 1286140971 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It ended up *bigger* somehow < 1286140974 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well < 1286140977 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I piped decode to encode < 1286140980 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But somehow the output was actually bigger < 1286140983 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they must have done something crazy < 1286140990 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd. < 1286141243 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, how much would you rage if the only copy you could find of something was an MP3? < 1286141245 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally. < 1286141247 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All over the internet. < 1286141268 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I currently have a lot of rage because of that. < 1286141271 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, how about it has the same title as an album by the same band, so you can't search easily? < 1286141274 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARE YOU FEELING THE FUCKING PAIN < 1286141283 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how about a new copy of a CD it's on is over seventy fucking pounds? < 1286141288 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Used for less, but STILL.) < 1286141378 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ARE YOU FEELING THE LOVE < 1286141385 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fek < 1286141396 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286141403 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1286141452 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo < 1286141467 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY CAN I NOT WATCH FUTURAMA < 1286141476 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you have been here before but not since i have been here < 1286141476 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT BURNS WITH A FIRE WITHIN ME < 1286141558 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders simply torrenting it. < 1286141654 0 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~nice@p5B132EBA.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286141708 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber, hmm? < 1286141736 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you just *try* finding a UK channel that shows it. < 1286141773 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: I suggest torrenting it. < 1286141773 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tends to look for websites :/ < 1286141782 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: has a TC machine with planar FSM and single infinite storage module not already been done somewhere? < 1286141786 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, OK. < 1286141794 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, not sure... < 1286141805 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the solution to most TV, in fact. < 1286141814 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to recall the strong wire-crossing hypothesis being pretty much busted (rule 110 a counterexample?) < 1286141814 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, should I start at series 1? < 1286141819 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Very yes. < 1286141828 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i feel like it must have been done by now < 1286141832 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: If you don't download the largest filesize option in all cases I will murder you. < 1286141838 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's not totally killed yet < 1286141845 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ... < 1286141861 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: KWALITEE < 1286141871 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll murder you, and your little dog too! < 1286141871 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Invader Zim ISO dumps. Highly tempting. < 1286141906 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you watch so much TV? < 1286141908 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm picky about my encodes, mmkay?) < 1286141921 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fullscreen Flash outside of YouTube is failing HARD < 1286141958 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome! < 1286141967 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get to hear the audio of an episode without any video! < 1286141969 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[What we're avoiding < 1286141969 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sprintf() breaking in PHP]] --definition of Perl Kwalitee < 1286141972 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell does that mean? < 1286141974 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrrrr < 1286141975 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, incidentally, is there a nice way to schedule the torrent? < 1286141995 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to watch them in the appropriate order, rather than getting all of the episodes after a long time. < 1286142163 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fetches some freaking DVD dumps of Invader Zim just to encode them properly < 1286142207 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Not really. < 1286142219 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: BitTorrent is inherently you-get-random-data, basically. < 1286142223 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286142224 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You CAN do it, manually, but it won't work well. < 1286142227 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other clients will hate you. < 1286142231 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Just download season 1 first... < 1286142235 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't take that long. < 1286142248 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way of telling it "prioritise the earlier episodes if you see a bit of data"? < 1286142255 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber never saw Futurama? < 1286142261 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there are websites >.> < 1286142284 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I understand this, but it was just never relevant. < 1286142340 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286142363 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also deletes some shitty movies that won't ever get watched again < 1286142397 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and inexplicable 4:3 cropped rips of movies. < 1286142406 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather gouge out my eyes than watch those. < 1286142482 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that all of the major British channels have some sort of online catchup service. < 1286142636 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there a way of telling it "prioritise the earlier episodes if you see a bit of data"? ;; this makes no sense < 1286142654 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1286142868 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286143125 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, how would you do the subgraph matching in Prolog? < 1286143547 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286143590 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286143711 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286143842 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-8-246.tn.glocalnet.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286144231 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody needs to make an MMO in the style of adventure games like King's Quest.' < 1286144572 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone use Tcl? < 1286144632 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION  < 1286144680 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get TclRobots running on ActivestateTcl for Windows :-( < 1286144873 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what you really need is somebody who uses both Tcl and Windows, innit? :P < 1286144933 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is pain and agony. < 1286145011 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try it on Linux when I get chance < 1286145130 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286145134 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vomits at the quality of one of the series on his hard drive < 1286145151 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286145157 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286145195 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :720p, encoded at a lower bitrate than I do for DVD rips. < 1286145210 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that h264 is good, but it's not *that* good. < 1286145346 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1286145383 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286145642 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1286145646 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster PRIVMSG #esoteric :→ < 1286146272 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286146294 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286146512 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286146755 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have large capacity disk to store a video, you can store uncompressed video by converting a NTSC or PAL signal to a digital file. < 1286146851 0 :augur!?@? NICK :augur[reading < 1286146854 0 :augur[reading!?@? NICK :augur[reading] < 1286147099 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's pretty ridiculous, though. < 1286147129 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when you consider that with video, there's generally already been tons of generation loss. < 1286147585 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many mathematical symbols do you need to write whatever article you are writing? Computer Modern contains many, we probably don't need a lot of other ones, but some of the symbols in WEBMATH are I design that might be used in mathematics, such as blackboard bold, therefore sign, alternate empty set, < 1286147622 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which others are common enough to include? Probably many can just be composed from overlapping and arranging other characters in Computer Modern and WEBMATH combined, using various commands in TeX. < 1286147725 0 :tombom_!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286147881 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286148128 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is clog still deaD? < 1286148128 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: i thought you'd be better at playing a gay vampire. and i do believe it's time for my medicine! < 1286148132 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dead < 1286148139 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeeeeew... < 1286148192 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, whence the need for medicine? < 1286148192 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's right. no. no fucking way. < 1286148238 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1286148238 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa* speeches ss wp youtube < 1286148248 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhh. < 1286148265 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1286148287 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: Why aren't you better at playing a gay vampire? < 1286148324 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm terrible at roleplay. < 1286148396 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helloth for everyone! How are you all, my thweet guestth? [pops out fangs] Ah, that's better." < 1286148405 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE GAY PEOPLE LISP < 1286148488 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286148540 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ais523. < 1286148567 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi alise < 1286148689 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, in response to the recent announcement of the immanent completion of Duke Nukem Forever, do you plan to complete the spec for Feather? < 1286148704 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Cuber: not today, I'm busy in RL < 1286148715 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baaah. < 1286148820 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you anal enough to purchase releases unavailable online in FLAC solely to correct this injustice? < 1286148829 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286148854 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286148945 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming it was really imm_a_nent, i wouldn't put _too_ much importance on it ;D < 1286148967 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'of a mental act performed entirely within the mind; "a cognition is an immanent act of mind"' < 1286148979 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, but only due to lack of expendable funds. < 1286148981 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imminent? < 1286148989 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effing homophones. < 1286149009 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But you can get a used CD for like ... like £3-£5! < 1286149011 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of it.) < 1286149017 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly QUIT :Client Quit < 1286149038 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Actually £8.99 BUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE < 1286149065 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is: Public duty. < 1286149131 0 :augur[reading]!~augur@129.2.129.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286149201 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Except when what you're missing is obscure. < 1286149208 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1286149243 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, there is an actual item for £8.99 in this case. < 1286149249 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1286149285 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Therefore FIX THE UNIVERSE < 1286149302 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah _someone_ better fix it < 1286149312 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :maaaan < 1286149317 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have enjoyed myself today. < 1286149319 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DO YOU AGREE < 1286149331 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates US jury selection < 1286149339 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You cannot avoid your destiny < 1286149390 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he _could_ say he is fundamentally against the concept of punishment, the prosecutors would probably through him out :D < 1286149395 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iiuc) < 1286149406 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*throw < 1286149418 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, I'm not actually selected for jury duty, I'm just hating how we go about choosing jurors. < 1286149458 0 :Phantom_Cuber!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286149462 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notable properties include that for any capital cases, jurors opposed to a death sentence are summarily removed from the jury pool. < 1286149467 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286149481 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that was sort of what i was alluding to < 1286149504 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep in mind that we have a civil law system, wherein the jurors opinions *can in fact set law*. < 1286149530 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, you can refuse to accept the notion that the judge sets what information is and isn't admissable for the jury to hear < 1286149536 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, they ask you whether you accept that notion or not < 1286149545 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure what happens if you say no < 1286149550 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is in the US) < 1286149559 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, being aware of jury nullification gets you thrown out. < 1286149603 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, jury selection's a lot more determined; they take the first 12 people selected at random, unless there's a really strong reason why they shouldn't judge that trial < 1286149610 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as being related to one of the witnesses or defendants < 1286149614 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: See, that would be sane. < 1286149621 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a member of a particular ancient order of lighthouse-keepers < 1286149647 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But here, if you are aware that you can rule against the law & evidence because you find it unjust to do so, *you cannot be in a jury*. < 1286149647 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286149733 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm aware < 1286149743 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you personally try to inform a jury of this ability in court, *they have to select a new jury*. < 1286149747 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is so very fucked up. < 1286149771 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been following the SCO v Novell transcripts, one of them was of the jury selection < 1286149801 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes a farce of the whole court system if you ask me. < 1286149917 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286149918 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286149919 0 :sebbu2!?@? NICK :sebbu < 1286149921 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: You cannot avoid your destiny ;; I mean the music < 1286149941 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"n 2001, a California Supreme Court ruling on a case involving statutory rape led to a new jury instruction that requires jurors to inform the judge whenever a fellow panelist appears to be deciding a case based on his or her dislike of a law." < 1286149981 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell is the *point* of a jury if they cannot have an opinion on the law? < 1286150042 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the law is written by lobbyists; a majority of 12 random people tend to not be lobbyists < 1286150048 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the US is a country based on ignoring its founding principles < 1286150052 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1286150055 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus they are not competent to decide what the law is < 1286150087 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ALISE < 1286150096 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :USA is a country based on COGNITIVE DISSONANCE < 1286150105 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, fuck the lobbyists with a chainsaw. < 1286150143 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:32ae:1:4261:86ff:fe96:fca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satutory rape... That would be real good source of cases where "not guilty" verdict would be right thing to do. < 1286150246 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it were your daughter < 1286150272 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: You realise *statutory* rape is consensual sex, right? < 1286150279 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:32ae:1:4261:86ff:fe96:fca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't change what was the right thing to do. < 1286150298 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-200-81.vodafone-net.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :but children can't consent to sex < 1286150326 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/children/17 year and 364 day olds/ :P < 1286150345 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the UK, they go to real lengths to protect the jurors < 1286150346 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:32ae:1:4261:86ff:fe96:fca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might also get some talking to, but that's not matter of law. < 1286150354 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's illegal to record their faces, for instance < 1286150391 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :photography's banned in courtrooms; it is legal to make a /painting/ of a court in session, but the artist needs to arrange things such that the jurors' faces can't be seen, normally by conveniently putting a handrail or something in the way < 1286150398 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-206-109.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So... You guys actually have juries as a matter of fact, rather than as a body to delegate the judge's opinion onto. < 1286222089 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286222089 0 :clog!nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1286222257 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286222369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog! < 1286222389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog: KEEP CLOGGIN' DEM TUBES < 1286222395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.03 03-Oct-2010 00:00 0 < 1286222398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The day that did not exist. < 1286222399 0 :baschtl!~Miranda@sb128-09.zw.fh-zwickau.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286222407 0 :baschtl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo < 1286222408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi baschtl < 1286222416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good timing, our channel logger just cam eback < 1286222418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*came back < 1286222454 0 :baschtl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel logger? < 1286222463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1286222465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog. < 1286222471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it watches. everything. and puts it on the web. < 1286222481 0 :baschtl!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286222481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like CCTV, except fluffier < 1286222488 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay clog is back < 1286222494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST DAY EVER < 1286222519 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the timeline must be preserved! < 1286222558 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: go send in your put-together logs < 1286222559 0 :baschtl!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286222574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: that is unlikely to have any effect. clog runs entirely without administration. < 1286222586 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then who fixed it < 1286222591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some other channel's denizens yelled in #tunes until it came back. or my email to Faré was actually received < 1286222597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog runs completely unadministrated, but tunes.org doesn't < 1286222609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone just restarted it i guess < 1286222610 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286222639 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's scary < 1286222644 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286222652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: what, clog? < 1286222657 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, clog < 1286222668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way -- logreading is our national pastime < 1286222675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shouldn't say anything really stupid on irc anyway < 1286222685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although even if you claim to have murdered someone, nobody's likely to believe you anyway < 1286222686 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1286222694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: because even if logs aren't public, people log. < 1286222704 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if I claim I warezed stuff < 1286222717 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about other people < 1286222721 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do care about google < 1286222722 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact. Be sure to provide a way for users to make comments without logging, --" I don't think we really do that latter part, and I'm not sure how that should be done. On the other hand, we're not exactly model freenode citizens anyway, what with the single-# thing and all. < 1286222724 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286222728 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286222756 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the single-# thing? < 1286222757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't think any channel does that. < 1286222764 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C does it < 1286222766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: you're meant to have two #s if you don't own the thing your channel is named after < 1286222775 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :) < 1286222776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, the C committee could register #c, but not a random group of C users < 1286222780 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg you stupid people :P < 1286222790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: this channel predates that policy by *many* years < 1286222791 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't own "esoteric" < 1286222794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe it even predates the name freenode < 1286222798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was gonna say -- nobody owns esotericity anyway < 1286222803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not really a big deal at al < 1286222804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all < 1286222825 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how can I make comments without logging < 1286222826 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but even if it's a non-ownable thing, it should go to the ## namespace according to them guidelines. Not that anyone cares. < 1286222842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: You should make them somewhere else, then, I gather. < 1286222892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: /msg someone and hope they don't say it in-channel < 1286222915 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, how does ##c implement it? < 1286222925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that just the ## thing? < 1286222937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : or was that just the ## thing < 1286222940 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the ## < 1286222949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(plenty of languages answer questions by restating it without questioning) < 1286222954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my laziness knows no bounds) < 1286222964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(typing "yes" is a chore) < 1286222970 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am tempted to say "if you prefix your messages with your nickserv password, it's not shown to us but clog will ignore them". < 1286222984 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe that wouldn't be entirely believable. < 1286223035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Graue could make a case for owning the channel < 1286223038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think he's interested < 1286223040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's not shown to us but clog will ignore them" < 1286223041 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would answer "bindun" < 1286223042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no way < 1286223044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we predate the wiki < 1286223049 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: such as latin < 1286223052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: agreed, but the wiki's the website with that name < 1286223052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it isn't about who owns the channel < 1286223053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that made sense, just not obviously < 1286223055 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: stop highlighting yourself < 1286223057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about who owns the concept itself < 1286223059 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: latin doesn't even have a word for "yes" < 1286223060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ais523: < 1286223071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>nickserv< ghost quintopia bindun < 1286223072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-NickServ- quintopia is not a registered nickname. < 1286223073 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: do you happen to have an hilight on "alice" < 1286223074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, he meant "(the password) is not shown to us, but clog will ignore (the lines)" < 1286223076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: not a single word < 1286223081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: if it would, it wouldn't be effective < 1286223089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh < 1286223095 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: not a single word < 1286223096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's not really a valid way of saying that :P < 1286223096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in this way I confirm it" is the literal translation of the most common idiom to mean "yes" in Latin < 1286223099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: quintopia: do you happen to have an hilight on "alice" < 1286223100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes it wasn't very obvious :P < 1286223101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is not alice < 1286223107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but it is the only way it made half-way sense < 1286223110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither is mine! < 1286223115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a coincidence < 1286223117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's name is alice! NOBODY'S < 1286223119 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry! < 1286223129 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should register . . . >.> < 1286223129 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: do you happen to have an hilight on "alise"? < 1286223133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have a highlight on "ais523", yorick? < 1286223133 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: sorry < 1286223134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: I was trying to make a joke, not accusing you < 1286223135 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: no < 1286223139 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fizzie! < 1286223141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have higlights on quite a few obscure things < 1286223143 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I ment alise: < 1286223147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of them are the nicks of other people in the channel < 1286223151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what the heck does "ment" mean? < 1286223162 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but you happen to have a name that has the same color as alises < 1286223167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, lets wait for what fizzie has to answer himself < 1286223179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: that's nicely self-referential, mispinging in a misping apology effectively atones for itself < 1286223188 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: no, alise and Vorpal have the same color. they are green, and ais523 is orange < 1286223196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm black and alise is grey < 1286223198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "I resign as IADoP and Registar and go on hold." --Wooble, after comex transfers a prop from Wooble to comex after Keba posted an apologetic resignation and on-holding after Wooble tried to NoV em for not publishing a report < 1286223201 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas vorpal is cyan < 1286223209 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: vorpal is definately green...alise is orange too < 1286223213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do we actually have *conclusive* evidence that he's over 12? < 1286223218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: to be fair, it doesn't take much to cause Wooble to ragequit < 1286223222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just his playstyle < 1286223223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm orange and grey! < 1286223228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whinestyle :P < 1286223230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind-of surprised he didn't deregister < 1286223231 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: the only way to know what's it like to see via echolocation is to be a bat. < 1286223241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we need some sort of minimum on-hold time < 1286223247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd help prevent some sorts of scams too, I bet < 1286223248 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "it == password, them == lines" interpretation is correct, but I concur that it wasn't a very proper way. < 1286223262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, this channel's activity has exploded in the past minute or so < 1286223263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I disagree; there are echolocation devices available that convert the data into a sense you do have < 1286223265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is blue here. Apart from me, who is grey < 1286223267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people can learn to use them < 1286223272 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just find nick colours confusing < 1286223279 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the colour conflicts < 1286223280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we said a few lines at once and the replies have forked way too many subprocesses... < 1286223280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you can't win for a week after becoming active < 1286223282 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you're green < 1286223285 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which do happen quite often < 1286223291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: wow, forkbombing an IRC channel < 1286223294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty impressive < 1286223297 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286223298 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a difference between what we perceive hearing a sondol and what a bat perceives getting an echo back < 1286223314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: not massively, it's the same data in a different encoding < 1286223315 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a thought experiment much older than me < 1286223325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and encoding doesn't seem to be massively important in determining data fed to the brain < 1286223326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astronaut missionaries! < 1286223332 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: wut < 1286223338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell did we get on to echolocation < 1286223339 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the data that matters. it's the way we perceive it < 1286223342 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You're sort of pukey-greenish-yellow, to be completely honest. < 1286223345 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. if you give someone glasses which turn everything they see upside-down, after a while they'll see normally again < 1286223350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dark yellow? < 1286223351 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: synesthesia and quintopia < 1286223357 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as i perceive alise and Vorpal to be the same color, and yorick and fizzie to be the same color, while you don't < 1286223360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wow, this channel's activity has exploded in the past minute or so <-- correct, I can't keep up < 1286223362 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: light yellow. < 1286223374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pukey-greenish-yellow" "dark yellow?" < 1286223380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark yellow is a specific color < 1286223380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that is also an acceptable name!" < 1286223380 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: #7d6025. < 1286223385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, get fizzie to write something to publish a life-feed of diagrams with short time tendencies < 1286223387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1286223390 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm red...fizzie is light yellow, vorpal is green and alise is orange < 1286223391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say, updated every minute or so < 1286223392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite #808000, but relatively close < 1286223396 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ais523 is also orange. < 1286223400 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: damn you! < 1286223404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: take that back! < 1286223410 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: stop being orange! < 1286223420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, that's about the worst insult you can aim at anyone < 1286223424 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is orange, i agree < 1286223434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a desire for the worst possible thing theoretically possible to happen to them < 1286223439 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm...possibly... :/ < 1286223448 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: let me rephrase < 1286223467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : seriously, that's about the worst insult you can aim at anyone <-- what is? < 1286223470 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: damn the inconvenience caused by me percieving your nick and "alise" both as orange < 1286223473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "damn you" < 1286223475 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry :) < 1286223476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286223476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: that's better < 1286223498 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay I killed the activity! < 1286223560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I perceive sex-related swearing as far worse than religion-related swearing in Swedish, but the opposite in English. < 1286223560 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but alise is also orange < 1286223568 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, just as a random data point < 1286223581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sex-related is generally worse in English too, but only for certain words < 1286223584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't really understand that < 1286223596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomly yelling "fuck" or whatever just makes no sense out of context, I can live with that < 1286223602 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we dutch people have disease-related swearing < 1286223606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :insults which have a meaning can be somewhat worse < 1286223618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, "fuck you" seems a lot less worse than "damn you" in English, waaay the opposite in Swedish < 1286223619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fuck!" "Sure." < 1286223633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just out of curiosity, has anyone ever damned you and then not retracted it? < 1286223635 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286223637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's actually the opposite in English too, for most people, but I don't understand it < 1286223656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: not that I can remember, most people are relatively considerate when they actually stop to think about what their words mean < 1286223666 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286223666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well it is a bit strange that "fuck you" would be less bad than "damn you" indeed. < 1286223682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't say it because I know you don't like it, but personally I have an understanding of the extreme non-literality of swear words... < 1286223696 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what use is a word, if it has no meaning? < 1286223701 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and goddam you is no worse than damn you < 1286223705 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the god is implied < 1286223735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, same. But I do get a bit annoyed when people uses genital parts as swearing. < 1286223743 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, calling someone Satan is definitely stronger than calling them a dick < 1286223748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how am I doing for mathNEWS? >_> < 1286223753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, that just makes you a dick. < 1286223768 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes him Satan < 1286223775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stan < 1286223779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in English, which euphemism you use determines how strong the insult is < 1286223784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has really moved from the original meaning < 1286223786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, indeed < 1286223787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling someone a vagina is just confusing, for instance < 1286223790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "dick" is also a name < 1286223793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is rather wtf < 1286223796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :various euphemisms have various levels of insultingness < 1286223801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Stop dicking about. < 1286223806 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dick, if spotted, is also a food stuff < 1286223813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it isn't really a name nowadays, no sane parent gives it to their children as they'd never get through school without emotional scarring < 1286223823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that is a bit more annoying < 1286223828 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet they continue to name their kids richard < 1286223832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nobody gets through school without emotional scarring. < 1286223833 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those kids grow up to be dick < 1286223844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, but parents try to avoid obvious sources, most of the time < 1286223856 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time < 1286223867 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there was that one kid in my middle school named Mike Rapp < 1286223889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a load of ke Rapp < 1286223906 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm indeed < 1286223956 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286223956 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, family name is harder to "work around" < 1286223971 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't name your kid michael. easy. < 1286224027 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I wouldn't use an English name anyway < 1286224037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really! < 1286224040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think that might be because < 1286224042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE SWEDISH < 1286224049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably /someone/ in England named Arvid... < 1286224052 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286224052 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, huh < 1286224058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the thought never occurred to me < 1286224061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GASP < 1286224064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you MIGHT HAVE A POINT! < 1286224072 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, this is breaking news. < 1286224079 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286224084 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1286224086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, probably < 1286224088 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves at PH < 1286224093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH? < 1286224098 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_. < 1286224101 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably Phantom_Hoover_ < 1286224102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286224104 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves at impomatic < 1286224107 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I just tried to tab-complete "presumably" < 1286224112 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey yorick :-) < 1286224114 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that too < 1286224116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, but here in AMERICA you can use ANY NAME < 1286224124 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time a word is more than five letters long, i try to tab it < 1286224125 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered where my wave was :-P < 1286224127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm irc is taking over your brain < 1286224129 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who lives in america anyways < 1286224131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kathq'lyyn < 1286224137 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: slightly delayed by the need to explain PH < 1286224138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounced "John" < 1286224155 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't think there's even a legal requirement that it be in any known script. < 1286224169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: KLINGON NAME < 1286224170 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, probably ← I never could remember his first name... < 1286224180 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, how is that hard? < 1286224182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I even know your first name < 1286224185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know alise's, and mine < 1286224190 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would pronounce Kathq'lynn as kathy-klinn < 1286224192 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOÖNE KNOWS < 1286224201 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, I mean, if it was "Sven-Åke" or some such it might be harder < 1286224202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523's first name is Aleæir'hiãé < 1286224208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pronounced "alex" < 1286224209 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that one is still easy < 1286224211 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet no one knows mine < 1286224217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: yorick < 1286224221 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: shh < 1286224222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: I bet /someone/ knows your name < 1286224225 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your parents, for instance < 1286224227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you yourself < 1286224228 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1286224232 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no one in this channel < 1286224234 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, irssi betrayed me once and stuck my name in a whois, but NO MORE. < 1286224237 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lets see how this worked up < 1286224237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: you're in this channel < 1286224246 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :updated gnome while gnome was still running < 1286224254 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd restart it < 1286224262 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1286224271 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know :P < 1286224274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, Love Symbol #2 was Prince's *actual legal name* for a while. < 1286224284 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pronounced "alex" ← I have at various times thought it to be Alan and Adam. < 1286224302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, I upgraded between old X and modular X.Org from inside an xterm < 1286224304 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a while ago < 1286224306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked well < 1286224313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: It's actually Alan-Aladdin-Adam. < 1286224316 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :took some time, due to running gentoo back then < 1286224323 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aladdam. < 1286224334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWESOME NAME < 1286224334 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm alise is pronounced alan? < 1286224340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's your name?" "ALADDAM" < 1286224350 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aladdam sounds like saddam < 1286224352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, no it is pronounced "Elliott" < 1286224357 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... I'm going to see if I can get TclRobots running on Linus < 1286224361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. In the US, if you have *assumed* a name, then it can be considered as your legal name. < 1286224366 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linus EQU Linux < 1286224375 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :static const unsigned short p9[5] = < 1286224377 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : { 1, 9, 81, 729, 6561 }; < 1286224382 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you can change name over here, iirc limited number of times < 1286224388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, once < 1286224388 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, the number of letters is VERY IMPORTANT to him. < 1286224399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is legal name < 1286224400 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: it's an him? :P < 1286224406 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, please... please tell me that's not what I think it is. < 1286224410 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :family name follows different rules < 1286224411 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, he's contrarian. < 1286224416 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I can tell you that, sure! < 1286224420 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you a lot of things! < 1286224421 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had a new language idea. It's called "Graue Sucks." Whaddyathink? < 1286224433 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: The sky is filled with plants. < 1286224436 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me it honestly. < 1286224438 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: it's an he? < 1286224444 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, implement it immediately. < 1286224454 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you're a he? < 1286224454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's an he" < 1286224455 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, yep. < 1286224456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that's given /me/ an esolang idea < 1286224458 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_, what do you think it is? < 1286224458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Least grammatically correct sentence ever. < 1286224460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: nope < 1286224462 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Problem: I don't know what you think it is. < 1286224464 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: We use common law to handle it. If you consider it your name, it is your name. < 1286224468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe! < 1286224471 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is confused < 1286224471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=.5! < 1286224472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a set of people to start writing an interp < 1286224474 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh. < 1286224478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=3+7i! < 1286224481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p=-1! < 1286224485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't aiming anywhere to start with atm, just writing code that looks generically interpy < 1286224486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p = -1 factorial < 1286224488 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, presumably you need to register that or something? < 1286224490 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's a yes? < 1286224498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once it becomes TC, you take whatever you ended up with as the lang in question < 1286224500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Only if you want to make the paperwork less of a pain. < 1286224500 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'll just call you "alice" < 1286224506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1286224518 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me it looks an awful lot like the powers of nine. . .which are very useful for, uh, being cool? < 1286224536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Otherwise, everywhere you need to use your legal name, you'll have to sign something stating that you are the same person as your previous name referred to. < 1286224577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1286224594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently -1 factorial = 1 < 1286224595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that is quite a logical system actually. Better than I expected from US < 1286224601 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes and? < 1286224602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: for the last time, my nick is not alice < 1286224612 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your nick is zuff < 1286224614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, -1 factorial != 1, you see. < 1286224619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *estoppel < 1286224621 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I know, but you're saying "maybe" < 1286224627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i thought that was /my/ nick < 1286224630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: i also said a variety of other things < 1286224631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :memory fades quickly... < 1286224634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no :P < 1286224637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, different sources? < 1286224639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was indeed you < 1286224640 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you also said "nope" < 1286224645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: i also said p=.5 < 1286224647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and p=3+7i < 1286224649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's common law -- most of it is just application of common sense. < 1286224660 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: which is while I'll call you "alice" < 1286224670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what exactly does "common law" mean? < 1286224682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a system of laws that's established without a written law < 1286224691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, if everyone believes something's illegal, it is < 1286224698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286224699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, it gets refined via court precedent < 1286224710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ages in the UK, murder wasn't explicitly illegal, it was just a common-law crime < 1286224712 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Sweden doesn't have that system < 1286224728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a distinctly British system. < 1286224734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286224736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and US? < 1286224740 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proto: no written laws at all, everything is based on whether a jury finds you guilty or not < 1286224747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this may not be a good legal system to live in) < 1286224773 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I suppose it is the first five nonnegative powers of nine. It's part of the original Malbolge interpreter. < 1286224778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All but one state of the US uses common law, because our legal systems are largely inspired by England's. < 1286224781 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is in fact extremely nasty < 1286224791 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Louisiana has civil law, due to being a former French colony) < 1286224817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, civil law being the "usual" system elsewhere I presume? < 1286224821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1286224830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In all current common law jurisdictions, the legal system is a combination of written laws and court precedents. < 1286224837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1286224848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :common law is wfun < 1286224852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fun < 1286224853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The court precedents can override the written law. < 1286224868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i like it, except i don't trust judges much :D < 1286224874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most typically when there's conflict between two laws) < 1286224898 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and why did you copy it here again? < 1286224948 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: IT WAS EXTREMELY RELEVANT < 1286224952 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it was in my clipboard < 1286224971 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using Windows PowerShell! < 1286224978 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi in Windows PowerShell. < 1286224991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh lawdee :P < 1286224994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, which is worst: powershell or malbolge? < 1286225005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that common law manages to work as well as it *does* simply because it always operates with an appeal system. < 1286225055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, even waaaaaaaaay back in the history of it all, you could always appeal your decision all the way up to the King) < 1286225076 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: PowerShell is far more disappointing. But at least I can get 130(?) columns now, instead of 80, and instead of using Pidgin. < 1286225085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :powershell is alright < 1286225093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more interesting than bash although maybe less useful :) < 1286225117 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably someone has written an IRC cmdlet for this. If I were truly into Windows-slumming, I'd go look... < 1286225152 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you_can_get_more_than_80_in_cmd.exe.....___space_seems_broken_atm... < 1286225187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah better now < 1286225195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, powershell doesn't do that :D < 1286225216 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the metal bar ended up stuck < 1286225217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it would be interesting if someone formulated a governmental system based entirely on an "idealised" version of courts and appeals < 1286225220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps infinite appeals < 1286225241 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, infinite appeals: whoever live longest wins < 1286225248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1286225259 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even trickier for companies, they could last for much longer < 1286225306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Could be interesting. < 1286225442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose you can, but I've never gone ahead and figured out a good way to do it with cygwin. < 1286225467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: right click title bar --> properties < 1286225470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might not work with cygwin i guess < 1286225476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably what you meant < 1286225522 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm, right click menu bar and select settings or some such iirc < 1286225532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a command that works like "dig", but more likely to be installed? < 1286225538 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it... yeah, cygwin is some kind of crapola hybrid. it doesn't work. < 1286225539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you might need to update COLS or COLUMNS in bash if it doesn't detect the change < 1286225547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't know of one < 1286225551 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cannot modify shortcut" < 1286225554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um nslookup? < 1286225560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: host? < 1286225561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not as feature-filled of course < 1286225565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :host is part of bind < 1286225569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then so is dig < 1286225571 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nslookup is more likely than host iirc < 1286225578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nslookup is glibc or some such < 1286225590 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1286225591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bind is probably more common than glibc. < 1286225593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1286225600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah you're probably right if it is glibc < 1286225604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would an executable be glibc??? < 1286225608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nslookup seems to be bind on this computer < 1286225610 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm < 1286225617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not surprising :P < 1286225619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet... I'm sure I seen it as libc elsewhere < 1286225627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nslookup is probably the best bet, ais523 < 1286225637 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsbindup < 1286225638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1286225648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, dig does a lot more of course < 1286225652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than just resolving < 1286225681 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;; AUTHORITY SECTION: < 1286225681 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example.org. 61129 IN NS b.iana-servers.net. < 1286225681 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :example.org. 61129 IN NS a.iana-servers.net. < 1286225688 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are some nice name-servers < 1286225751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to troubleshoot someone's internet connection over the phone < 1286225780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but helpfully, pings gave a "destination host unreachable" rather than just being swallowed < 1286225799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IPs were being configured and they could ping the router, but not further < 1286225812 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm guessing they wrote their MAC address incorrectly on the form that limits what could legally be plugged in < 1286225817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if Wooble ragequits in a public forum and the mailing lists are out, what sound does it make? < 1286225826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VVRRRRROOOSHH! < 1286225828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i mutated that beyong recognition < 1286225836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gains enlightenment < 1286225851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proposed project: rewrite all zen koans to end with a literal answer < 1286225882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: their router could be down... < 1286225885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in the connection to the 'net < 1286225901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems unlikely, given that they're trying to set up a new connection for the first time < 1286225909 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be quite a coincidence if the connection was down that day < 1286225911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it happens to me all the time < 1286225915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not *that* great a coincidence < 1286225916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the router's owned by someone else < 1286225921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it could have simply not been wired up yet < 1286225922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the connection < 1286225926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and filters based on Mac address < 1286225930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking new student, here < 1286225939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286225942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unlikely, then :) < 1286225950 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MAC address < 1286226079 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://awibiswritteninbrainfuck.blogspot.com/2010/10/tickling-itch-announcing-awib-03.html < 1286226117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1286226136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/u/matslina/ ;; the awib dev knows of esotope :) < 1286226255 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am laughing < 1286226264 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the rocket scooter < 1286226274 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/ < 1286226297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why is that road legal :D < 1286226303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286226305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with the jet on :P < 1286226459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A DMV insider has disclosed to me that the DMV has made a formal request to a federal agency to rule if my Beetle constitutes a threat to national security based on what could happen if it got into the wrong hands." < 1286226490 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : some really awesome shit could happen < 1286226502 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he needs to build some retractable wings for it now < 1286226505 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLYING CAR! < 1286226550 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286226630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here's my wife's Honda Metropolitan scooter. She wants it to go faster than 40 mph. So I have these two little JFS 100 jet engines and I am thinking how to put them on the scooter." < 1286226631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1286226667 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know right? < 1286226670 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*awesome* < 1286226760 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286227250 0 :webquint!803d12bc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.61.18.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286227328 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-190-91.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286227370 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things go from really fast to really quiet in a blink < 1286227482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, say multiple things at once < 1286227831 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i i really have don't tried know this what before to and say it beyond doesn't the make first sense thing. < 1286228013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the things that if it < 1286228151 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286228206 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-70-79.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286228207 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286228207 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286228250 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286228650 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still can't get TclRobots working, even on a Linux machine :-( < 1286228693 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq doesn't really have an optimising x86 Brainfuck compiler! < 1286228731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: More magic. < 1286228757 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luftputefartøyet mitt er fullt av ål < 1286228797 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Couldn't find or send to a new wish, bailing out! Is your X server configured for xauth style security? TclRobots uses the Tk 'send' command, which requires that xhost security not be used. Use xauth if possible. Alternatively, re-compile the wish executable /user/bin/wish8.4 with the -DTK_NO_SECURITY flag.' < 1286228888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, vad är "Luftputefartøyet"? < 1286228903 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :åh nej.... < 1286228920 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, "svävare" på norska? < 1286228938 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :givetvis < 1286228948 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck where does the "my hoovercraft is full of eel" phrase come from? < 1286228956 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia < 1286228963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, firefox: segmentation fault < 1286228967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why atm < 1286229085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: monty python.................... < 1286229093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1286229097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which sketch < 1286229106 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the hovercraft-full-of-eels sketch < 1286229114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dirty hungarian phrasebook < 1286229114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286229508 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286229924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286230043 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Yes I do. < 1286230121 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES < 1286230128 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHOW IT TO Me < 1286230266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bezier curve with an infinite number of control points < 1286230360 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, isn't that just the curve defined by the points...? < 1286230467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: http://sprunge.us/CXTS < 1286230727 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, wait, not necessarily. < 1286230791 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, which infinity? < 1286230848 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's an unbroken continuum, I think what said was correct... < 1286230937 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286231135 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I < 1286231478 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: the control points are cantor dust. of Yourself < 1286231493 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286231578 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that URL doesn't work BtW. < 1286231647 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W. F. M. < 1286231682 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286231741 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WFM < 1286231903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: very nice, btw. < 1286231907 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286232047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much thanks to alise for telling me when I was being stupid about it. < 1286232105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1286232108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lawl < 1286232117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : rnf x = x `seq` () ;; this is stupid, btw >_> < 1286232121 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZEE < 1286232124 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1286232125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's equivalent to () iff x halts, otherwise _|_) < 1286232155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although < 1286232157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the thing does < 1286232160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rnf x `seq` x < 1286232168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x `seq` () `seq` x _probably_ == an evaluated copy of x < 1286232173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is definitely not required that this be so < 1286232179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's the point of NFData, though. < 1286232221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's not *required* to work that way, but it generally does by encouraging further strictness. < 1286232251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i don't see why rnf can't just be a -> a < 1286232255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than a -> () < 1286232260 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286232326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because hell if I know. < 1286232363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just using Control.DeepSeq right is all. < 1286232432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using deepseq because otherwise finding the fixed point of the optimisations takes forever. < 1286232503 0 :Zuu_!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1286232511 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286232916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now add more AWESOME < 1286232922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : bezier curve with an infinite number of control points < 1286232925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also known as: a function! < 1286233063 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286233192 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286233205 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was unusual < 1286233271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was it? :| < 1286233293 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I hit ctrl+something < 1286233314 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286233351 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286233365 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, *that* time I hit Ctrl-C. < 1286233398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+C doesn't quit irssi. < 1286233401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in your LAMER terminals < 1286233409 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POWERSHELL!!! < 1286233429 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's the Cygwin build of irssi is configured for extra lameness. < 1286233433 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286233673 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286233760 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: OHHEY < 1286233782 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Way back in the distant past when you listened to zee4 and hated it, did you listen up to the 2 minute mark? Just out of curiosity :P' < 1286233828 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't remember. I want to say I listened to the whole thing. < 1286233843 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you explicitly said that you DIDN'T listen to the whole thing, you want to lie apparently :P < 1286233864 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you want to ask questions about things you already know, apparently < 1286233885 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, it seems to go beyond "want" in your case. < 1286233887 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said you hadn't listened to the end, not that you hadn't listened to an arbitrary point I've now specified. < 1286233914 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I stopped listening somewhere, I sure as hell don't remember how long it was from the beginning. < 1286233943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough :P < 1286233947 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286233952 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give it another shot if you think it'll change my mind. < 1286233969 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'that dog' will just have to wait < 1286233992 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286234020 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it'll change your mind per say, even if that part is supermagic it's not going to be sufficient to betterfy everything else, I was just wondering if that section was part of the consideration. < 1286234023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ping'e < 1286234109 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286234183 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, what starts around 1:30 redeems it somewhat < 1286234228 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286234241 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286234270 0 :Zuu_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Zuu < 1286234321 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286234321 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1286234343 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but yeah, no. I like 3 and 5 much better than 4 and 2 < 1286234399 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too would place 4 at the bottom of the heap (though I like 2 more than that). I was thinking about adapting 3 for piano+melodica and making an acoustic recording of it :P < 1286234633 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Civilization (the original) had barbarian diplomats. < 1286234641 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOTALLY not a contradiction of terms. < 1286234834 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: does it have an ending? Zee3, not Civilization. < 1286234881 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They all loop. < 1286234890 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zee3 will need more adaption than that anyway :P < 1286234893 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286234907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs clog  < 1286234909 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write a piece that has 2-against-3 in every measure < 1286234909 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that it loops means, amongst other things, that I can rotate it. The beginning that's the current beginning doesn't need to be the beginning at all :P < 1286234939 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Title it "Eat your God-Damned Chicken" < 1286235078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm apparently they are logged too < 1286235096 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what? < 1286235101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was really in reply to "If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact. Be sure to provide a way for users to make comments without logging, --" I don't think we really do that latter part, and I'm not sure how that should be done. On the other hand, we're not exactly model freenode citizens anyway, what with the single-# thing and all. < 1286235121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to check if notices were a way < 1286235139 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH. you op fellas < 1286235158 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a differently formatted purple line for me < 1286235159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what has this to do with ops, really < 1286235181 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume privs are required to notify? < 1286235192 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly not < 1286235217 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact according to rfc, bots are _supposed_ to do that instead of ordinary messages. but no one cares about that. < 1286235250 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.13/20100914130356] < 1286235312 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how this works. < 1286235319 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THAT"S OK < 1286235341 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you can do unlogged comments with undefined ctcps :D < 1286235354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize not every client will show them though... < 1286235435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i just did /notice #esoteric Testing... < 1286235440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/self_ipol.txt < 1286235453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brian raiter code in an interesting-looking self-modifying string interpolation language < 1286235454 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "requested unknown CTCP TESTING from #esoteric" < 1286235461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and after that i tried /ctcp #esoteric testing Maybe _this_ works :D < 1286235474 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not see the notice then < 1286235481 0 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286235483 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it's out of my scrollback < 1286235488 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286235492 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh your client doesn't show more than the TESTING part :( < 1286235498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: how long until mathNEWS? >_> < 1286235508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: NOTICEs are not ctcps afaik < 1286235509 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: production starts nowish < 1286235514 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must imagine clog still logs that ... < 1286235516 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: shush you < 1286235519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but my article! < 1286235527 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It logs CTCP ACTION, after all. < 1286235527 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: either email or next week! now! < 1286235532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: call up and say, literally, "stop the presses!" i will pay you infinite moneys < 1286235539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: clog does _not_ log unknown ctcp commands, i just checked < 1286235541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: okay okay okay < 1286235549 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's not going to press yet, but it should be in soon < 1286235553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is special since it's used all the time < 1286235572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i can just put the markup in the email, right? < 1286235578 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, in fact, it even complains about it. < 1286235579 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286235580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THat's awesome. < 1286235591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-clog- ERRMSG unknown CTCP: _ hurf durf < 1286235607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: MATHNEWS SITE IS DOWN REQUIRE EMAIL ADDRESS URGENTLY < 1286235636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh it's case insensitive < 1286235660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: :| < 1286235664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Penis Oerjan < 1286235755 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if I'm doing it right or if anyone else can see it when I do it. < 1286235777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I could see! < 1286235791 0 :alise_!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286235799 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i need mathnews' email < 1286235876 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: uh, hang on < 1286235926 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: mathnews@gmail.com < 1286235932 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a crude protocol < 1286235970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286235982 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: huh, the one on the website is a utoronto address; forwarded? < 1286236023 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: uh, utoronto? < 1286236043 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds wrong < 1286236050 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286236052 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uwaterloo < 1286236053 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: same thing :D < 1286236078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like several km from each other! < 1286236103 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I am placing blame on you in the email; be prepared to justify my crap. < 1286236123 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :several km indeed < 1286236133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not waterloo/kitchener on the other hand, _that's_ same thing < 1286236135 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a Brit who does not go to the University of Waterloo, does not study mathematics there and is indeed not even in Canada and has never been, clearly mathNEWS is the best publication for me." < 1286236135 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1286236136 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1286236155 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: okayy, here goes < 1286236171 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, southern Ontario. < 1286236177 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: expect to be contacted about this crazy-ass Brit trying to submit to the paper ASAP < 1286236180 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: hey you know with the crazy british libel laws there might even be an argument _for_ that :D < 1286236199 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: I have a midterm in 10 minutes, but I'll check < 1286236209 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I hope they notice that I have in there which may not work >__> < 1286236216 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I didn't send anything to you, but I did blame you. < 1286236225 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what , doc? < 1286236247 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: it gets previewed < 1286236380 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but it's so _long_ < 1286236381 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286236403 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wonder if gmail's spam filter will block it < 1286236407 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with the markup < 1286236424 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly but unlikely < 1286236427 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you sent it yet? < 1286236458 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to leave; yes or no < 1286236460 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286236462 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286236463 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1286236467 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i just replied to it :P < 1286236471 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :correcting a formatting error that gmail added < 1286236476 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also misspelling heads up as head's up... < 1286236497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :head < 1286236631 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, this should be in < 1286236663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Google Translate, eh? < 1286236696 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how many irc clients try to parse html tags < 1286236709 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yesh :P < 1286236714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or display them < 1286236724 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What did it actually say (if it made any sense at all) < 1286236764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: CTCP ACTION: Mr. 's Japan brokenly speak. < 1286236776 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds about right. < 1286236818 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I want to write a compiler now. < 1286236822 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit life is awesome, have you ever noticed? < 1286236830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that deutsch was only gebrochen due to a missing suffix on the gebrochen < 1286236834 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can DO SO MANY COOL THINGS in it. < 1286236837 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, every day! < 1286236853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: Hah. < 1286236854 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go buy bandages now < 1286236857 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286236862 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286236870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Headphones are awesome. < 1286236879 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But LIFE moreso! < 1286237107 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: My preferred tags for an album are completely at odds with the completely official, multiply-confirmed ones. You may now maul me < 1286237442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: How so? < 1286237478 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'll say in /msg since it's irrelevant and long < 1286237562 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1286237585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, TV rips of series that are on DVD make baby Jesus cry. < 1286238804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : x `seq` () `seq` x _probably_ == an evaluated copy of x <-- i think that's exactly equivalent to x by definition < 1286238817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm right < 1286238835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So does Nazism. < 1286238837 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as usual x will only be evaluated if the whole thing is < 1286238926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: i don't see why rnf can't just be a -> a < 1286238973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm rnf is just one of the evaluation strategies right? now what if you wanted a strategy that did _not_ evaluate... it couldn't reasonably be a -> a < 1286238991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286239003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it just deepseq's thing? maybe not < 1286239014 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286239024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall this from Control.Parallel.Strategies < 1286239098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rnf is deepseq essentially, but there are others that evaluate stuff in parallel instead < 1286239304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: HURRY UP WITH THAT MIDTERM < 1286239315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is part of DeepSeq though in pikhq's code < 1286239318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Make your compiler MORE AWESOME < 1286239351 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: done < 1286239357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: okay. < 1286239368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: should i expect an email back from the mathNEWS people or will it just appear? < 1286239371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the next issue) < 1286239377 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh right rnf is a method of DeepSeq? but it's also the right type for those strategies iirc < 1286239378 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: one or the other < 1286239385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's so helpful < 1286239387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286239403 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src DeepSeq < 1286239403 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Take a stress pill and think things over. < 1286239419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t rnf < 1286239420 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (NFData a) => a -> Done < 1286239426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1286239494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess Done = () < 1286239564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Apparently Civilization (the original) had barbarian diplomats. <-- currently on front page of reddit: http://i.imgur.com/kWy5z.jpg < 1286239578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's from the newest version < 1286239605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn those barbarian paratroopers! < 1286239655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diplomatic paratroopers < 1286239669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wow, how do you guys even have a tv show < 1286239669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286239674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a definition of tv equal to yt < 1286239680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you guys = most vague use of tha tterm ever < 1286239718 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kidding < 1286239762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that term < 1286239779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: my current perception of it is that about 10 people go to your university and they all write mathNEWS < 1286239788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not attempt to disillusion me of this notion < 1286239898 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286239930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banshee. *It fucking does video metadata*. < 1286239941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must try. < 1286239971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: NO < 1286239973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Banshee is AWFUL < 1286239984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Imagine iTunes. Now imagine transplanting iTunes onto Mono. < 1286239994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bloat defined. < 1286240004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It most likely just stores it in a database. < 1286240006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like iTunes. < 1286240008 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1286240014 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is revolting. < 1286240038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY CANT THERE BE A NICE VIDEO PLAYER < 1286240047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *cough* You know what this is leading up to... < 1286240052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S INVENT OUR OWN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE AND GUI LIBRARY < 1286240055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO VIDEO PLAYER, AFTER ALL THAT < 1286240079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The chronology is sometimes associated with Young Earth Creationism, which holds that the universe was created only a few millennia ago." Umm... Wikipedia. < 1286240082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean 6000 years. < 1286240106 0 :Kordalien!~chatzilla@adsl-71-141-88-226.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286240309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do _all_ YEC agree on the precise date? < 1286240322 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely recalls no < 1286240485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Also change the entire distribution infrastructure. < 1286240495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Of course < 1286240501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's 5,000 -- 10,000 years basically < 1286240507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not millennia < 1286240514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Actually a nice GUI library for C would be nice. < 1286240522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um that _is_ millennia < 1286240540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Say, make it so that all broadcast shows are sent out via an RSS feed alike, with a BitTorrent alike. < 1286240547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: With archives, of course, instantly downloadable. < 1286240555 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :millennium means 1000 years, millennia is the plural < 1286240573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh i thought you mean software distribution < 1286240574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::^) < 1286240590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there was some work done on streaming bittorrent but i have no idea how that works < 1286240599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with it being out-of-order < 1286240646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Wikimedia is currently testing it -- a combination of HTTP and BitTorrent, actually. < 1286240656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ew. < 1286240680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use HTTP to fetch anything needed immediately, use BitTorrent to try and fetch stuff that's later in the stream. < 1286240689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: grotesque :) < 1286240768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ain't it though? < 1286240995 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I want to write an article, what should it be about? < 1286241015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: write an errata for my errata < 1286241024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i can send you the full version < 1286241031 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286241039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: my errata is pretty indisputably factually correct in every way that it actually tries to be factual, so this will be difficult) < 1286241049 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1286241064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "Actually, this IS valid Python code! Because I say so!" < 1286241064 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"errata: this article appears to be properly researched. In order to alleviate this concern, the following changes have been made" < 1286241088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I approve. < 1286241101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I have this sneaking suspicion that gmail's spam filter doesn't like my post, what with it being long and markuppy... < 1286241106 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*email not post < 1286241114 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on, I'll ask CorruptED to check right now < 1286241179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I am so glad the editors are corrupt. < 1286241194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I also sent a reply to that one correcting an error caused by gmail. < 1286241223 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on, the email account is busy < 1286241276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to go asap < 1286241351 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286241388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am, however, insane enough to wait to see if it's received yet < 1286241391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because dammit this stuff is IMPORTANT! < 1286241411 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what's the article about? < 1286241414 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :receipt confirmed < 1286241442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: & the reply? okay. < 1286241444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now put it on the front page < 1286241475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: Errata for the article "Python Implementation of ed" by *null, as printed in issue 114.1 of the University of Waterloo Faculty of Mathematics Student Newspaper mathNEWS. < 1286241490 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: can you send me a copy so that I can write errata to it? < 1286241502 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathNews, fun paper < 1286241521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: certainly. < 1286241525 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286241531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: sec. < 1286241538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://filebin.ca/wpeogf/mathnews-errata.html < 1286241553 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Firstly, it appears that this article was written by a Brit. To correct for this, remove every usage of grammar." < 1286241558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, it's not HTML, but.) < 1286241559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what :D < 1286241570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the most solid point is the last one, btw < 1286241572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indisputable < 1286241577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Printed in a newspaper with an incorrectly spelled name. While &mn; is an excellent newspaper, it unfortunately has a major blight against it: the incorrect spelling of its name as ``&mn;'', rather than the correct ``mathsNEWS''. This is the most severe flaw.]] < 1286241744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: so yours will appear in the next issue? < 1286241750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the same? <-- that would be super-ludicrous < 1286241835 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: quite comprehensive < 1286241860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: bear in mind the original article is like six lines :P < 1286241870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will squeeze every drop of blood from this stone < 1286241931 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*null must be trembling < 1286241949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1286241951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever he is! < 1286241956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darned canucks < 1286241965 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare he fill such an esteemed paper with garbage < 1286241973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES I KNOW the rest of it is so accurate < 1286241982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: btw, i expect similar treatment of getting the gold master copy of yours before it's published < 1286241988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can publish my meta^2errata < 1286241992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all < 1286241999 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Y'know, fuck Hulu. It falls so short of what it could be. < 1286242009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah. and fuck Hawaii too! < 1286242010 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egg foo young is delicious D: < 1286242011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A set of RSS feeds attached to BitTorrent for me to gleefully download. < 1286242013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i leave you with this. < 1286242014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight. < 1286242015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye. < 1286242016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286242037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no ads. < 1286242065 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is still technically piracy < 1286242070 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*buzz kill* < 1286242091 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I agree < 1286242094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeotrope: Hulu is... Actually not piracy. < 1286242105 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking about RSS + torrents < 1286242136 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is definitely more convenient < 1286242167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the point. :) < 1286242185 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people frown on the piracy part < 1286242242 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Hulu doesn't work outside of the USA < 1286242270 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so torrents are the only other option for many people < 1286242322 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :country restricted content, what is this 1970? < 1286242368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as they're concerned, yes. < 1286242375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also: SCREW FLASH. < 1286242379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLASH SUCKS FOR PLAYING VIDEO. < 1286242383 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, he's gone :( < 1286242619 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash sucks. Flash really, really, really sucks. < 1286242629 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes it does < 1286242870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Flash < 1286242876 0 :Flash!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, registered < 1286242878 0 :Flash!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1286243205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 7^3/40 < 1286243206 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8.575 < 1286244806 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286246726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://unitedcats.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/this-october-has-5-fridays-5-saturdays-and-5-sundays-all-in-one-month-it-happens-only-once-in-823-years/ < 1286246729 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it. < 1286246732 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I surrender. < 1286246735 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate humanity. < 1286246783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... < 1286246825 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two of my friends "liked" a page claiming that < 1286246924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so the first part is actually correct < 1286246993 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the second obviously false for two different reasons i can think of < 1286247017 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What tipped me off was noticing that that's the same (or, at least, a superset of) months whose 1 is on a Friday and which have 31 days < 1286247036 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think you may be the second person I linked that to who didn't actually read the post < 1286247043 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) it only depends on what day the first is on (2) the calendar _actually_ repeats every 400 years < 1286247053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i've started reading it < 1286247066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just thinking about why it's false first :D < 1286247291 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286247413 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it also depends on the month having 31 days < 1286247442 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i mean the year variation < 1286247461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1286247495 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depends on what day the 1st is, and whether or not it's a leap year, right? < 1286247613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_for october_ the leap year doesn't matter < 1286247644 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blargh? < 1286247658 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the first day of october, not of the year < 1286247660 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we talking Jan 1st's effects on October, or the day that Oct 1 is? < 1286247661 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1286247674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh one really has to spell out everything here < 1286247695 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1286248140 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286248277 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAJOR FAIL: (roughly translated) "The Baddie of cholesterol is LDL, sources of which for example include cheeses.". < 1286248293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheesy science < 1286248332 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is only one cholesterol. LDL is not cholesterol. And Cheeses don't contain LDL. < 1286248545 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the original is apparently (roughly translated): "The baddie of cholesterol is LDL, which is only contained in hard animal fats. For instance cheeses include those".". Just as much fail: Animal fats do not contain LDL. < 1286248638 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) "the baddie of cholesterol" doesn't have to be cholesterol < 1286248649 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) "source" doesn't mean "container" < 1286248656 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fail is you < 1286248756 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDL is made by liver. I have no idea if LDL survives digestion proceses. Probably not. < 1286248896 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor are animal fats source of LDL... < 1286248917 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, there's lot more fail in this article... < 1286249025 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, its based on recomendations by (national) heart disease association, so no wonder... < 1286249051 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah those idiots know nothing about cholesterol < 1286249099 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was taught that HDL was "good" and LDL was "bad" < 1286249173 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are subtypes of LDL. Some better, some sightly worse. Then there's real nasty kind that shows up as "LDL" (but isn't) on common panels. < 1286249247 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and statins (cholesterol-lowering drugs) don't do much to that real nasty kind... < 1286249348 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, the common way of determining LDL yields quite wild results that are often quite wrong. < 1286249373 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HDL is measured and total cholesterol is measured, those are fairly accurate). < 1286249519 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kind being "real nasty", one would expect that it would be quite strongly associated with heart disease. Indeed it is. < 1286249712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Nutrition is much more complicated than "X is good for you and Y is bad". < 1286249766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except that modern, industrial processed foods tend to be bad for you. :P < 1286249873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, and typical American portion sizes. < 1286249883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Pretty obviously bad. < 1286250190 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should start eating typical American portion sizes < 1286250223 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But _WHY_ are typical american portion sizes so large? < 1286250297 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why is it pretty obviously bad? < 1286250338 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it shouldn't be possible and indicates that something is badly wrong? < 1286250381 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what shouldn't be possible? < 1286250402 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The huge american portition sizes... < 1286250413 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why shouldn't they be possible? < 1286250418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Imagine a gigantic feast. We call it a "meal". < 1286250440 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'm sure you realize that's total bullshit < 1286250440 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because very few should be able eat so much at once... < 1286250453 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to eat more, so... < 1286250454 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: nobody has any problems, really < 1286250472 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just come to a restaurant and go crazy < 1286250489 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "Just eat more and excercise less" is just as bad advice as "eat less and excercise more". < 1286250512 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm? < 1286250518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: 64 fl oz of soda (about 2L). As a single serving. < 1286250523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need I say more? < 1286250542 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's not a standard serving size. < 1286250573 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i understand europeans perpetuating retarded stereotypes about americans, but you're american yourself and still doing that? < 1286250576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you're more likely to find 32 fl oz. < 1286250576 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty dumb < 1286250598 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here large bottle of soda is 1.5l... And the standard bottle (which is apparently meant as "serving" (ignore what manufacturers try to claim) is 0.5l. < 1286250601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With free refills. < 1286250641 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tends to insist on small soda. If I get a large cup, I'll fill it up, then drink it all, and that's rather... uncomfortable < 1286250672 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what, exactly, is wrong with eating more? < 1286250678 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For thin persons < 1286250688 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than what? < 1286250704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/ryany/BigMacExtraValueMeal.jpg < 1286250752 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yup. so? that's actually smaller than most meals at a restaurant. < 1286250761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 3,000 calories. < 1286250767 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1286250779 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the daily amount, 20,000? Or is it 2,000? < 1286250784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 2,000. < 1286250801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's what the FDA bases their recommendations on. < 1286250817 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could just eat that and not need to eat anything else for the day? < 1286250853 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, taking in too many calories isn't good because high metabolism isn't good (and the alternatives are even worse). < 1286250861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no, because it's fairly devoid of nutrients. It just has the caloric content that it was declared one needs. < 1286250870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a single meal. < 1286250870 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there're 1350 calories in a large big mac meal < 1286250873 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop trolling < 1286250879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: That's a super size big mac meal. < 1286250937 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second law of thermodynamics: "Calorie is not an calorie.". :-) < 1286250943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Erm, sorry. I gave the wrong damned number. < 1286250946 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a < 1286250949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: That's... 1580. My fault. < 1286250953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still bloody absurd. < 1286250958 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there you go < 1286250959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just significantly less so. < 1286250968 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my pasta that I eat each night has over 1k calories < 1286250984 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 1580 for a larger than normal portion < 1286251005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some people, it's larger than normal. < 1286251007 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, what are the chances of me being able to talk to a competent person somewhere in the US? < 1286251013 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For others, that's smaller than normal. < 1286251017 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a nutrition plan worked out < 1286251055 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Pretty slim (unless you pick carefully). < 1286251062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(granted, you're talking a small but fat portion of the population when you're discussing the people who actually do stuff like have multiple Big Macs in a sitting) < 1286251102 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With soda and fries? < 1286251125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Well, of course. < 1286251157 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't the "big mac guy" in "Supersize Me", well... Not fat? < 1286251174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite perplexed about that as well. < 1286251219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it does demonstrate that absurd amounts of food won't automatically make you fat. < 1286251261 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My step-mother constantly tells me that I'm not eating enough < 1286251265 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, its about fat in - fat out. Not calories in - calories out (unless you define the latter quantities to make it a tautology). < 1286251266 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably true, but still < 1286251275 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that's at storage boundary). < 1286251288 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want advice, I can't get it from her, no matter how competent, or not, she may be, because she'll drive me up the wall < 1286251302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Well, calories are nothing more than a rough estimate of how much energy you get out of that food, so... Yeah. < 1286251305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She does drive me up the wall < 1286251347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incredibly rough when you consider that there's freaking sugar water as a common beverage.) < 1286251353 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was fat_absorbed - fat_burned, then it would be just plain _wrong_. < 1286251385 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's fat synthethis term as well, and it certainly can be nontrivial. < 1286251582 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not to mention, same macronutrients can provode different amounts of energy depending on amounts of other macronutrients... < 1286251664 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and then there is stuff like adjustable efficiency of ATP production... < 1286251686 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Shit's more complex than burning the dry food and seeing the change in temperature -- who would've thought! < 1286251702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, change in temperature of the water above. < 1286251731 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even all fats are equivalent calories. Let alone fats, proteins and cabohydrates... < 1286251747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would love to just be able to inject something that could deliver ATP to all his cells < 1286251872 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad that with what all cells can use (glucose), even few extra grams injected (fast) would be toxic... < 1286251910 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1286251952 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, something like 3 grams in fast injection would cause your blood sugar to go to toxic levels... < 1286251952 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a grassy mount Or set with two feet Gules winged Sable and in base a bar wavy Sable inscribed with zeros and ones Or < 1286251999 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it would take about 4 if blood sugar is slightly low. < 1286252092 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Amount of glucose circulating in blood of normal adult under normal conditions: About 5 grams). < 1286252208 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, one could inject fatty acids. Considerably less toxic (but not all cells can use those... OTOH, body can produce glucose for those cells that absolutely need it). < 1286252246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, just bring about the singularity. That'll solve it. < 1286252310 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286252342 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286252792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you stupid Flash video, you do not need to keep buffering, there is already a 5% of the video buffer and increasing. < 1286252822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoever wrote this: you suck at programming and you should be ashamed of yourself. < 1286252851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Adobe: you suck at programming and you should be ashamed of yourself. < 1286252962 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amen < 1286253135 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1286253182 0 :Kordalien!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286253593 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With "why are they eating such huge porititons" I meant things like why the satiety isn't kicking in? Why doesn't the body downregulate hunger and upregulate energy consumption to keep the weight in check? < 1286253892 0 :flippo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lack of exercise. The metabolism has nothing to calibrate with. < 1286254062 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does running to school/running for the bus count as excersize? < 1286254075 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The amount of excercise required for that is very small (one pretty much has to go out of one's way to get that little)... < 1286254127 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1286254137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I presume that means "you need to get out of bed and walk to the kitchen every now and then" kind of "little". < 1286254161 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, within that order of magnitude... < 1286254191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Point being that you'd have to make a point of it to not do that. < 1286254207 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention, excercise isn't important for weight control. One can also see this by comparing energy expended in NEAT vs EAT(a.k.a. excercise). < 1286254246 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if one has shortage of energy, then the excercise levels could drop a lot... < 1286254253 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'd imagine it helps somewhat, in that it does actually expend energy. < 1286254305 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When one is talking about energies expended by ten hour walk (or was it run?)... < 1286254360 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mechanisms body uses to waste energy easily waste order of magnitude more than one could burn by excercising. < 1286254415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anywas, all the exercise in the world won't help you if you use more energy than you ingest. < 1286254421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/anywas/anyways/ < 1286254428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286254432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/more/less/ < 1286254449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if you use more energy than you ingest, you might be having trouble as well. :P < 1286254537 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some dangerous chemicals sometimes used for weight loss. If one overdoses on them, the primary toxic effect is that they make body literally cook itself producing energy for use. < 1286254572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Frightening. < 1286254590 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, your appetite should go down a lot as well when weight goes up... < 1286254597 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any nice chemicals for weight gain? < 1286254627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "Force-feeding", I believe is the term. < 1286254640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Though it's rather unlikely you actually need weight gain. < 1286254683 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, I think I know couple, but they are not nice ones... < 1286254685 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presuming reasonable health and a lack of relevant mental disorders, of course. < 1286254856 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a kid, Supposedly, in an attempt to get me to eat on my own, suggested by a doctor, my parents didn't try to force me to eat, hoping I would eat on my own. < 1286254859 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1286254904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, you may have a disorder then. < 1286254941 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants to read/edit a silly game story for meeeee? < 1286254966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does it involve Americans being fatasses? < 1286254975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It /could/. < 1286254981 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't, but it /could/. < 1286254984 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough! < 1286255034 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY, I wrote a silly but appropriately-over-the-top opening sequence for ZEE: http://codu.org/tmp/story.txt < 1286255050 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just asked my dad, he said he thinks I might have imagined being told that < 1286255055 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK FALLIBLE MEMORY < 1286255065 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK IT IN THE ASS < 1286255076 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So your disorder is just delusions, not dietary problems. < 1286255096 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, since when is being human a disorder? < 1286255105 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my dad may be mistaken :3 < 1286255118 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Since roughly 1.5 million years ago, I'd say. < 1286255220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Quite nice. < 1286255260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that's awesome < 1286255289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, you need more time. < 1286255300 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN'T MANUFACTURE TIME < 1286255306 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ZEE, what I need is more workforce! < 1286255315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get cracking on the singularity! That'll solve it! < 1286255386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is sensing a pattern here < 1286255448 0 :pineal_aenimal7!pineal_aen@209.97.91.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286255499 0 :pineal_aenimal7!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello esoterrorists :) < 1286255529 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALLAAAAH < 1286255534 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alaaaaan Turing < 1286255561 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: ... I love you. < 1286255574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePerformIO suicideBomb < 1286255576 0 :pineal_aenimal7!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pineal_aenimal < 1286255604 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could also be a point about people thinking this is esoterica < 1286255620 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286255649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Unsafe indeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed! < 1286255719 0 :pineal_aenimal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats good < 1286255832 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-70-79.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286255832 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286255832 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286255847 0 :Kordalien!~chatzilla@adsl-71-141-88-226.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286256059 0 :pineal_aenimal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any one familiar with david wilcock? < 1286256181 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheheh < 1286256184 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cock < 1286256208 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh dear < 1286256285 0 :pineal_aenimal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alrighty. < 1286256332 0 :pineal_aenimal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slaps pineal_aenimal around a bit with a large trout < 1286256542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286256742 0 :pineal_aenimal!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286257028 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay xmonad < 1286257036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay cdparanoia. < 1286257202 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdparanoia? < 1286257265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It rips CDs. And is sufficiently paranoid about it to ensure a perfect rip if at all possible. < 1286257277 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286257310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does nothing else. It just dumps WAVs to disk. < 1286257320 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO similar to xmonad. < 1286257329 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if"? < 1286257357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It can't fix a disc made 100% opaque. < 1286257408 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having some trouble parsing that. You can't mean "literally unreadable by anything", can you? < 1286257423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's too trivial < 1286257443 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I guess portions could be fully opaque? Or am I just confused today < 1286257446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Too trivial for "if at all possible" < 1286257456 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Give me a corner case. < 1286257460 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Here's one. < 1286257463 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : No, not that one. < 1286257505 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tired :/ < 1286257718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, it also often functions as a circumvention device. < 1286257814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some CD copy protection schemes function by introducing intentional errors that a dedicated CD player will ignore) < 1286257895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of people have single-purpose CD players nowadays. < 1286258095 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, like, uh. < 1286258099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got nothing. < 1286258121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll note that CD copy protection schemes kinda fell out of favor after a few years. :) < 1286258510 0 :sshc_!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1286258695 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286259166 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286259172 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please help me. I tried to compile TeX but it just made a lot of errors, and it won't compile. < 1286259174 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the errors: http://sprunge.us/SEhT < 1286259263 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please tell me what I did wrong? < 1286259639 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the esoteric topics in computing channel cannot save you from Pascal. < 1286259691 0 :Kordalien!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854] < 1286259732 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Save me from Pascal? I don't generally program in Pascal, but this is a program that is Pascal. < 1286259838 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some command-line parameter I need to add? < 1286259849 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't a clue, never built TeX myself. < 1286260106 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which options of GPC cause it to emulate Pascal-H? < 1286260840 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286260992 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286260995 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286261300 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286261476 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I need to redefine alpha_file (in section 25)? I probably also have to redefine othercases < 1286261687 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-172.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286262082 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286262488 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286262726 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got it to compile with no errors, but now it complains about 'his.tex' < 1286262756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WANTS A MATE < 1286262792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe a divorce < 1286262802 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot find anything in the program about what 'his.tex' is supposed to be. < 1286263033 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286263131 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I cannot find on Google or Wikipedia about what 'his.tex' is supposed to be, either.) < 1286263339 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286263445 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could probably be done, although it would take a very long time, is looking at the source-codes of TeX and rewriting it in Enhanced CWEB, changing things as necessary as you are moving along. < 1286263508 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1286263535 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286263698 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286263710 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you willing to collaborate on this project? < 1286264093 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286264093 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286264727 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286265254 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286265599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286265600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286265647 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286265719 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286266418 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286266859 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286267275 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286267462 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286269013 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286269282 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1286269302 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286269319 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286269415 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286270474 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-240.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286271073 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286271990 0 :iGO!~xk001@62.169.102.228.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1286272370 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286272451 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-13-240.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286272628 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286274666 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :MigoMipo < 1286276101 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286277340 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286278736 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286279664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286281037 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286281201 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286281536 0 :iGO!iGO@62.169.118.135.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1286282530 0 :webquint!803d12bc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.61.18.188 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286282747 0 :webquint!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1286283193 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1286283942 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286284243 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286284334 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286286185 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286286229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, my paper was accepted < 1286286233 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats < 1286286259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, now what's going on? < 1286286268 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing < 1286286269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is working fine, but I don't seem to be able to create new Internet connections < 1286286273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not web or email, anyway < 1286286289 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, started working again < 1286286292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just being really slow < 1286288728 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286288967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi alise < 1286288983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1286289012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the Internet here is crazy < 1286289025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sometimes doesn't form new connections for something like a minute, even though existing connections work fine < 1286289036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least, for web and email) < 1286289129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:23:45 Well, its based on recomendations by (national) heart disease association, so no wonder... < 1286289129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:24:11 yeah those idiots know nothing about cholesterol < 1286289144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad our channel op is such a fine, upstanding citizen who believes everything the american government tells him. < 1286289174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better check your BMI < 1286289183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is that at uni? < 1286289187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*this < 1286289208 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1286289262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: take over the networking department < 1286289279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, can Wooble actually do that while he's on hold? < 1286289281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(deputise) < 1286289294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm or is deputisation one of those things even non-players can do... < 1286289357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being on hold hardly stops anything < 1286289360 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like BlogNomic < 1286289371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly, it just lets people oust you from offices, and makes you ineligible for certain things < 1286289390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as winning when everyone else is winning < 1286289393 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286289447 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this about agora? < 1286289476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286289537 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked at that once. seems awfully complicated (as any nomic that has been in existence for years upon years must) < 1286289558 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i GUESS it at LEAST has fewer rules than certain versions of DnD... < 1286289589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: you should publish a book about nutrition :-) < 1286289632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Here is a quick summary of Java build systems: Q: What's the difference between Ant and Maven? A: The creator of Ant has apologised. < 1286289641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see why they don't just use make, it seems to work fine < 1286289657 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, find | xargs javac works fine if you don't care about minimal recompiles < 1286289666 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, seriously? Someone apologized for making widely-used software? < 1286289698 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it actually had a source for that statement, http://blogs.tedneward.com/2005/08/22/When+Do+You+Use+XML+Again.aspx < 1286289710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ant is awful < 1286289862 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like an apology for an aspect of Ant < 1286289934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it sometimes doesn't form new connections for something like a minute, even though existing connections work fine <-- maybe some firewall issue? < 1286289964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:43:49 yay, my paper was accepted < 1286289964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1286290028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one about hardware compilation < 1286290053 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be precise, we generalised a previous result from "programs that type in SCI can be compiled into hardware" to "programs that type in ICA can be compiled into hardware, with a few exceptions" < 1286290071 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty nice, because unlike SCI, ICA doesn't have a bunch of arbitrary restrictoins < 1286290074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*restrictions < 1286290097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really much the same as a TC-ness proof, showing one lang compiles into another... < 1286290185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how's the Complex Systems publication going? ;) < 1286290204 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :revise-and-resubmit phase < 1286290214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with instructions that were too banal for me to be interested in them < 1286290325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286291237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:12:52 Please help me. I tried to compile TeX but it just made a lot of errors, and it won't compile. < 1286291241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you don't compile TeX itself... < 1286291244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you compile the C translation < 1286291253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written in a crazy 70s Pascal that Knuth used < 1286291269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:24:05 What could probably be done, although it would take a very long time, is looking at the source-codes of TeX and rewriting it in Enhanced CWEB, changing things as necessary as you are moving along. < 1286291271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, the C translation < 1286291274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:28:30 Are you willing to collaborate on this project? < 1286291275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell no < 1286291303 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point I need to figure out what Enhanced CWEB is < 1286291310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even tell if it's a programming language or not < 1286291340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know Knuth's CWEB? < 1286291347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't < 1286291351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know Knuth's WEB? < 1286291362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again no, but I've vaguely heard of it < 1286291382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WEB = the first literate programming system; TeX + Pascal. TeX is written in it, for instance. < 1286291398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assign blocks of code to a name-with-spaces, include it later, macros, documentation all around it, etc. < 1286291401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: CWEB = that for C. < 1286291405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1286291410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Enhanced CWEB = what happens when you apply zzo38 to CWEB and peel it off after a few days. < 1286291414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Enhanced CWEB is a zzo38 version < 1286291434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's the converse of Not Invented Here? < 1286291447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you assume that the entire world uses software that was written by you? < 1286291471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be unique to zzo38 and Microsoft < 1286291500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: zzo38 has NIH too, though! < 1286291514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it tends to be Not Invented Here, But That's Okay, I'll Cannibalise It < 1286291517 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the converse of something being true doesn't mean that the thing itself is false < 1286291521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286291526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1286291532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Used Elsewhere < 1286291536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Used Everywhere < 1286291550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft: NIH, UE; zzo38: NIHBTOICI, UE < 1286292228 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286292664 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, btw perhaps you know I'm against eyecandy animations and such? Today I realised what exactly is the issue with a lot of them < 1286292760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they are slow enough that you end up having to wait before you can do whatever you planned to do next. For minimising windows on OS X, it is quite fast but still, I had to wait before I could start reading the text in the window behind due to the animation covering it, only a fraction of a second, but still enough to be annoying. < 1286292792 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar issues seem to apply to many other such animations. < 1286292803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's just bad design. < 1286292848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A *good* hiding animation -- one that smoothly indicates what's happening -- would last only a few milliseconds, and the window would go semi-transparent too. < 1286292858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps even simply fade out *while on the way* to the dock. < 1286292878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would help indicate what has happened -- believe it or not, your brain *can* act more efficiently with these cues -- without being irritating. < 1286292878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed that would work, but that was not what that version of OS X did at least. < 1286292887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, you change and speed that animation up. < 1286292890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you can < 1286292901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :change: system preferences -> set it to the one that isn't genie, stops it being irritating as fuck < 1286292904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed up: some terminal bullshit < 1286292906 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, was helping someone with a thing, not my computer < 1286292909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286292918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it wasn't the genie one < 1286292921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is far worse < 1286292949 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286292971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cpressey < 1286293040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but anyway, the os x minimising is just a rather extreme example of it (especially the genie style), there are lots of other such animations on both windows (vista or later only) and OS X that takes a fraction of a second too long. Sure there are some that don't annoy, but I guess you don't really remember those. Selective reporting and such. < 1286293064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern UIs aren't designed with HCI principles in mind; news at 11. < 1286293081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1286293084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jef Raskin died, now even less people care; news at 11. < 1286293087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fewer < 1286293135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the "zoom icon in dock while mouse is above it" is instantaneous as far as I remember, and is actually slightly helpful, at least if set to sane parameters for zoom level and such < 1286293167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not instantaneous -- it's... continuous. < 1286293175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, literally, the zoom changes focus even half-way between two icons. < 1286293184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first hover over has a short animation to do the first zoom-and-expand of the Dock. < 1286293187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I meant like: < 1286293206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't take half a second if you quickly move your mouse down from middle of screen to the dock < 1286293206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never turned it on; I could never predict where my mouse should go to reach an icon, due to the zooming. < 1286293210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1286293211 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as it is above it is zoomed < 1286293229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably helps a lot if you have tons of stuff in your Dock and thus have it at a small size. < 1286293236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1286293312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, or menus/submenus that takes a fraction of a second before they open. iirc windows xp had something like that. Was annoying. < 1286293324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an animation, but utterly pointless and not helpful at all < 1286293327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uhh, as for submenus, GTK has that too. < 1286293329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does KDE. < 1286293331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does OS X. < 1286293336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As does *every interface you use*. < 1286293340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a shorter delay, but it's there. < 1286293352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise moving your mouse across tons of elements quickly would have menus flash everywhere. < 1286293353 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes, short enough to not notice, that's the key < 1286293355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disorienting, to say the least. < 1286293367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Try it now; I bet you will notice. < 1286293368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows xp had "long enough to be annoying" < 1286293379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's certainly a noticeable delay here, just not an annoying one or one you think about. < 1286293380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yeah. < 1286293383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could tweak that with TweakUI. < 1286293389 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed there is a tiny delay < 1286293403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes indeed, but why not make it right from the start < 1286293413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "It seemed like a good idea at the time." < 1286293426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TweakUI was released after XP. I don't think they changed the delay since at least 2000. < 1286293429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe even before that. < 1286293440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And TweakUI's policy is basically "EXPOSE EVERYTHING", not "LET PEOPLE FIX EVERYTHING" < 1286293452 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as for menus all over the place, not really annoying, classic mac OS used to do it that way. As do some other windowing toolkits < 1286293458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to run OS X in VirtualBox. < 1286293461 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on *nix) < 1286293462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, it can do EFI." < 1286293471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'll have to emulate a 32-bit machine so this will be *fun fun fun*. < 1286293482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, it's distributed on a DVD, isn't it. < 1286293484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan abandoned. < 1286293514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I have a copy of Leopard; no, I don't have an optical drive.) < 1286293528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the base install of an OS doesn't fit on a single CD, something is wrong. :P < 1286293545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah! Fuck you Slackware and Fedora! < 1286293551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slackware is well-known for its bloat. < 1286293553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally. < 1286293574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm.... ubuntu: single cd, arch; single cd. And I don't mean netinstall. < 1286293582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo: single cd last I looked < 1286293593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though iirc they had a livedvd as well < 1286293594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's simply a different distribution philosophy -- with the Slackware CDs, you can install anything you want. < 1286293606 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286293611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It *does* suck, though. < 1286293625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it isn't indicative of bloat. < 1286293634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, in OS X's case, it basically is.) < 1286293643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To be fair, there is also a whole lot of stuff on there.) < 1286293656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also note I said "base install". The definition of base install is rather fuzzy indeed. I would say it is completely different for arch and ubuntu for example < 1286293666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, you can fit your base install on a single CD just by defining a base install that's small. < 1286293666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1286293668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safari, all the i* programs, GarageBand, every single damn developer tool, misc. applications < 1286293676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Base install: The kernel!" < 1286293676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1286293683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can just about get Debian on a small stack of floppies still. < 1286293696 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as i have butterflies flitting around on my desktop i'm happy < 1286293704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the *installer* still takes up 2 floppies. < 1286293735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, has some minimum requirements. Bootable, useable package manager, some way to edit config files, a shell, can connect to network. Arch is pretty close to that minimum. < 1286293766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I... Can do that on a single floppy disk. < 1286293770 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Barely*. < 1286293826 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed, it might be possible. However arch comes with a usable environment on the livecd too. Like you get a shell there. Useful to start any non-standard stuff like software raid or dmcrypt or such. < 1286293873 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and fitting that on a floppy as well would be.... tricky < 1286293891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Namespaces in C: solve. < 1286293903 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, besides the kernel I need to boot my system, all the drivers I need compiled in and almost everything else turned off is about 2.5 MB iirc. < 1286293908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86-64 though < 1286293913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, you can have VESA. < 1286293917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just don't want VESA. < 1286293937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I do have VESA fb :P, and I have a system with just VGA, no fb support at all < 1286293943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure of kernel size < 1286293956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Actually, howsabout figuring out a way to have functions on structures look nicer to call, and we can go from there and use that for namespaces. < 1286293957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not going to boot it atm < 1286293978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that was a fun conversation < 1286293984 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what was? < 1286293997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was talking to my supervisor and another researcher about implementing the fixed-point combinator in hardware < 1286293999 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1286294038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather unambitiously, they agreed that even third-order fixedpoint combinators ((a->a)->(a->a))->a were practically useful < 1286294047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: Namespaces in C: solve. <-- hm, not impossible, what about having some syntax sugar for appending a prefix to all identifiers, I guess that would approach C++ name mangling quickly, though with just namespaces you could do far cleaner than that < 1286294054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think you can get up to arbitrary orders (with the caveat that such circuits always have a risk of running out of memory) < 1286294064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean without modifying the language. < 1286294078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah... < 1286294087 0 :sshc_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286294088 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is preprocessing allowed? < 1286294090 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: #define, #define, #define. done. < 1286294100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, _ for all identifiers? < 1286294104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can put everything as function pointers in a structure, but (1) that's ugly to construct and (2) you'd start wanting to be able to do foo->x(...) for a structure foo to mean foo->x(foo, ...) which is harder :-) < 1286294109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but normally you want to be able to import namespaces < 1286294112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's ugly and makes everything unconcise < 1286294115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not necessarily < 1286294126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even being able to just rename a namespace temporarily would be fine < 1286294128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. gui to g < 1286294131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that too < 1286294149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is non-cpp preprocessing allowed? < 1286294186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I mean, with a custom preprocessor this would be simple. You could make one small enough to compile as the first step in the makefile or such < 1286294209 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now bbl really < 1286294224 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m4! < 1286294231 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 m4 < 1286294237 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286294309 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what about preprocessing? < 1286294337 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only #define did pattern-matching. you could hack something together quite nicely i think < 1286294339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: cpp, sure < 1286294345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have to, I guess a simple textual substitution too < 1286294349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing that involves tons of parsing :P < 1286294353 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: but what about? < 1286294360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: ? < 1286294369 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want to accomplish? < 1286294371 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goal? < 1286294375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see above....... < 1286294397 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't find < 1286294415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: Namespaces in C: solve. < 1286294416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :onwards < 1286294417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if upp (which I haven't actually written yet, properly) would work for this? < 1286294423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: upp? *scared* < 1286294430 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Underlambda Preprocessor < 1286294444 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what about namespaces in C < 1286294444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically just does literal textual substitutions, but with a couple of interesting twists < 1286294463 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is powerful enough to compile Underlambda into subsets of itself < 1286294483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: see later on. < 1286294510 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lacking context! < 1286294515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see logs < 1286294541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see, it has only two commands < 1286294550 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is / on a line by itself, which does nothing but which is referenced by the other command < 1286294557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other is a/b for any character strings a and b < 1286294558 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is "itself" bound to Underlambda or upp? < 1286294564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: to Underlambda < 1286294567 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1286294573 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION arghs < 1286294578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: if it wasn't it'd be a trivial statement :) < 1286294598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it means a subset of it could do underlambda code < 1286294598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what that does, is it substitutes all instances of a with b in a) the thing you're preprocessing; b) the preprocessor program itself, but only beyond the next lone / < 1286294601 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i dunno, a preprocessor that can compile a language into subsets of a preprocessor... < 1286294602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning the full thing is TC < 1286294605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning it could compile it < 1286294615 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: for example, where are you responding to < 1286294620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :additionally, a/b will not substitute in text that itself was produced by a substitution, unless a lone / has executed in the meantime < 1286294628 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what* < 1286294637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: nothing < 1286294641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that's pretty simple < 1286294656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it lets you do block-replacements of fundamental commands, defining them in terms of each other < 1286294668 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: Namespaces in C: solve. <-- that has a "pikhq" in front of it < 1286294671 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you lovable geeks discussing at the moment? < 1286294685 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: even if it were TC, that wouldn't imply the statement was trivial < 1286294717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: implementing fixed-point combinators and typed lambda calculus in hardware; namespaces in C; preprocessing Underlambda < 1286294730 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a metaconversation about what conversations are running < 1286294741 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1286294769 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: personally, no clue < 1286294783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i suppose not < 1286294786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: i was addressing pikhq. < 1286294807 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: about what? :/ < 1286294817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: about "Namespaces in C: solve." < 1286294825 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1286294827 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets it < 1286294959 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Skin overheating by having laptops on lap for too long... Article included talk about cancer... I wonder if PUFA oxidation due to heat is involved... < 1286295020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Only if you use a stupid laptop with an overly-hot processor :) < 1286295027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the fan too low. < 1286295112 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, enough heat / radiation will damage skin no matter what, but stuff like PUFA concentrations could determine how sensitive or resistant one is (PUFAs are chemically unstable)... < 1286295150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you have any opinions on Go? < 1286295224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, remember that mergesort I said I couldn't figure out what was wrong with? < 1286295232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: changing "< end" to "<= end-1" fixed it. < 1286295235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not mine) < 1286295241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what? < 1286295249 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it using floats as loop counters? < 1286295265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and non-integer floats, at that?) < 1286295272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a buggy compiler? < 1286295277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was the code/ really/ isane? < 1286295279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*insane < 1286295294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, in this case, floating point was involved, but there wasn't a loop counter < 1286295300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was comparing elements in an array < 1286295307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, and those were floats? < 1286295310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and tl;dr using floating-point infinity to denote end of array makes weird shit happen < 1286295353 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286295356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1286295362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :screwing with infinities tends to do that < 1286295424 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FP also has other weird shit like +0 and -0 are seperate numbers (that's actually useful in calculations). < 1286295484 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286295508 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never did I think I'd see the day when there was a lambda calculus reference in a Star Wars webcomic. < 1286295866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, BF compilation. < 1286296020 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286296062 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1286296116 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go fialed horribly < 1286296118 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failed* < 1286296165 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knot theory in Coq: has it been done? < 1286296203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look like it from the first few Google results... < 1286296252 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knot theory in Coq 2: is it even sane? < 1286296290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was just looking at the Linux manpage reboot(2) < 1286296297 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I get the feeling I'm missing something < 1286296307 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286296315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the hex numbers were obfuscated by being translated to decimal, for no really obvious reason < 1286296321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't see any significance in the hex either < 1286296373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the Commodore 64 TCP/IP stack: "It doesn't do state tracking. It puts the state in the TCP sequence numbers. Save on RAM by passing state back and forth through the network." < 1286296390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... ingenious < 1286296393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: one is linus' birthday < 1286296394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1286296400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all have significance as numbers < 1286296402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1286296413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know this because I wrote a program that calls it relatively recently :P < 1286296414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming it was something NSFW, based on how oblique they were being < 1286296429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286296444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: LINUX_REBOOT_* are constants for them in the kernel, RB_* in glibc < 1286296449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest using the hex directly to avoid the headache < 1286296449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand the purpose (to make sure that reboot isn't called by mistake by a program in undefined behavior) < 1286296501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I am pretty sure my mind faked Wake-Induced Lucid Dreams to me today < 1286296566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I was dreaming, and my mind made me think I was falling asleep consciously, and provided fake hypnagogic imagery and sounds to fool me into this < 1286296569 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that when you think you dream of waking up and are currently in a lucid dream, but actually you woke up for real? < 1286296574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to a dream-in-a-dream < 1286296582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: WILD is just a method of achieving lucid dreams < 1286296596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you stay conscious but become very relaxed and let your body go to sleep < 1286296604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of related to meditation, I guess < 1286296620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: but I think my dream decided to start with me falling asleep using WILD < 1286296633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it sometimes end up dreaming I've worken up < 1286296634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and manufactured some hypnagogic imagery and (really irritating clanging) sounds to go with it < 1286296635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wokrn < 1286296637 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wokrn < 1286296638 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should practice lucid dreaming some more < 1286296638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*woken < 1286296641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leading to a fumbled attempt at a lucid dream inside a non-lucid dream < 1286296644 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where everything was hideously unrealistic < 1286296653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes before i fully got "into" a dream induced that way < 1286296653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gone through my normal morning routine < 1286296654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to move < 1286296660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then actually woken up and had to do it all over again < 1286296660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i saw a flicker of the "real world" and me moving slightly in it < 1286296663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I thought, I'm not asleep enough for that < 1286296665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that can't be right < 1286296668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're paralysed by that point < 1286296672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and completely asleep < 1286296681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm fairly sure that if i had let that happen, I'd have "woken up" into an actual dream < 1286296690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably have performed a reality check due to the circumstances... < 1286296695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was too stupid to realise this at the time :) < 1286296697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i woke up for real < 1286296699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or have I < 1286296703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD I HAVE 7 FINGERS < 1286296706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has quit (Connection reset by peer) < 1286296708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you know you have to perform a reality check, everything becomes pretty easy < 1286296709 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1286296721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow, you rarely think of doing that in a dream < 1286296730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah I just look at my hands and if I have fingers sprouting out of my other fingers I just jump out the nearest window < 1286296738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the easiest way to get places in a dream! < 1286296744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: if I ever end up with deformed hands, I am so dead) < 1286296767 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh, I tend to invent methods of transportation in my dreams < 1286296773 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried the reality checks...most of them give false negatives inside dreams :/ < 1286296781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286296782 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286296785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : as in, I was dreaming, and my mind made me think I was falling asleep consciously, and provided fake hypnagogic imagery and sounds to fool me into this <-- hm, soon there is no way we can trust anything :P < 1286296786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: hands always works for me < 1286296794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I either have more than five fingers, or fingers are placed in ways that geometry doesn't quite allow < 1286296801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I N C E P T I O N < 1286296801 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know about the science-fiction idea of going somewhere distant via going there over the course of years (at near-lightspeed), but in such a way that the people aboard don't perceive most of it? < 1286296803 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks his totem < 1286296811 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, rings a bell but can't place it < 1286296816 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a strange discussion < 1286296818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I haven't heard of it, but go on. < 1286296823 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: my fingers are always fine while I'm dreaming...and I can even touch them < 1286296824 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obtw there is a channel for this < 1286296827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never remember to perform reality checks when dreaming... < 1286296829 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, when I move around in my dreams, it's normally using a means of transport that does that over really short distances < 1286296830 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foonetic/#lucidity < 1286296831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a recent film about nested dreams-within-dreams < 1286296843 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I very rarely remember my dreams < 1286296844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and people from higher levels of dreams being able to change them and stuff < 1286296846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen it < 1286296847 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I haven't tried breathing with my nose closed yet :/ < 1286296849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it sounds worth watching < 1286296854 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of capsule thing that takes days to go just a few miles, but you're unconcious for most of it so don't care < 1286296856 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, heh < 1286296858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: the fun thing with more than five fingers < 1286296859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that you can feel them! < 1286296864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use a finger to touch a fake one < 1286296866 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: :o it was the best movie of the summer what's taking you so long? < 1286296869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it feels like a strange buzzy feeling < 1286296873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm lazy < 1286296883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, did you go into a lucid dream just to recreate Inception? < 1286296890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that is awesome. < 1286296890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D < 1286296894 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that really annoys me about Inception, is that it seems that everyone who watches it goes to everyone they know and says "I watched Inception" < 1286296894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind did < 1286296905 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the extent that I worry that it's specifically designed to brainwash people into doing that < 1286296906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know, you *can* just invent a magic mirror < 1286296907 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was invisible last time :) < 1286296909 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it's that cool. < 1286296913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to have sci-fi dreams < 1286296931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I suppose it's to do with the sort of transport I use in RL < 1286296932 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: topic-quote! < 1286296943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely move around via the fastest method < 1286296950 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, i did that, but i also saw it on the night it came out, so it wasn't a trend yet. now people do it because everyone keeps pestering everyone to see it so they have to tell them to stop the pestering < 1286296957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of my esolang ideas are developed waiting at bus shelters < 1286296963 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pesters alise and ais523  < 1286296964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Somehow, even when I'm totally lucid though, I can't convince myself that I can control reality. As in: it requires absolute belief in that what you're about to do will work to change the gameworld. I am apparently too rational to summon up such faith. < 1286296965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh, I see < 1286296973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This saddens me. < 1286296975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and a really strange transport method < 1286296996 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it works better if you invent a pseudoscience explanation, even if you don't believe in pseudoscience < 1286296999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe I should become religious for the practice. < 1286297007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Unfortunately my periods of lucidity also tend to be short. :( < 1286297019 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah...same...but you can prolong them :) < 1286297020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift into the fourth dimension, do stuff there, with the knowledge that you can manipulate that based on the fact that you own the device that lets you go there in the first place < 1286297022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I tend to sleep only when I'm really tired on weekends; this rarely seems to lead to dreams I remember for me. < 1286297026 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286297031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you only sleep once a week? < 1286297032 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spinning around will mostly work) < 1286297036 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, start traveling by train until you finish of the current unfinished ones then! < 1286297036 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to try defining the braid group in Coq for the halibut. < 1286297037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: I've done the tactics, like feeling a brick wall a lot and staring at the details. < 1286297039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Har har. < 1286297044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: It never works. < 1286297049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I misparsed your sentence < 1286297049 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: works for me < 1286297057 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reality check: can anyone here pinpoint the last time they had a stereotypical dream? < 1286297058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: As soon as I move away and stop looking like someone with Down's syndrome, everything becomes fuzzy again. < 1286297059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even notice it was ambiguous until you assumed I was being sarcastic < 1286297065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, do it the mathematical way! < 1286297070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: even my stereotypical dreams are rather non-stereotypical < 1286297071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wut? < 1286297075 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make the geometry hyperbolic! < 1286297082 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: maybe...the brick thing works better? < 1286297089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: with normal days, I don't sleep long enough for a nice lucid dream really < 1286297092 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, there are some very common dreams and nightmares. < 1286297094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: So just stare at a brick the whole time?? < 1286297104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, I don't get them though. Or at least I never remember them < 1286297104 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how am I supposed to have bricks? < 1286297109 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, a dream where your teeth are falling out and/or a dream where you are having trouble controlling a car/driving it from the back seat < 1286297110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: ????????? < 1286297113 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe flying < 1286297115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yorick: I've done the tactics, like feeling a brick wall a lot and staring at the details. alise: works for me < 1286297120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : yorick: As soon as I move away and stop looking like someone with Down's syndrome, everything becomes fuzzy again. alise: maybe...the brick thing works better? < 1286297130 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(17:43) < alise> yorick: It never works. < 1286297133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've had some serious up-messery of my scale perception before < 1286297134 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(17:43) < yorick> alise: works for me < 1286297134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I have never had any of those dreams. < 1286297138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, err... < 1286297140 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had both of the former in the last month but I can't remember exactly when. I haven't flown since I was a child. < 1286297143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: "how am I supposed to have bricks?" what does this mean < 1286297148 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how am I supposed to find bricks to stare at < 1286297149 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was while trying to get to sleep, not actually once sleeping. < 1286297154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: Uhh, leave the house you're in. < 1286297156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the bricks. < 1286297157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I guess stereotypical dreams differ between persons < 1286297160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: You said works for me; presumably you already do this. < 1286297162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why are you asking me? < 1286297172 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, my house isn't made of bricks! < 1286297173 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: because I recognize the feeling if it becoming fuzzy again < 1286297177 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, had any dreams that sound similar to those ideas? < 1286297179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM DISABLED < 1286297182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, not at all < 1286297183 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: and yes, mostly the places I dream of are not made of bricks < 1286297192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I never seem to have recurring themes in my dreams either < 1286297198 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, both my house and my workplace are made of bricks < 1286297216 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually either polished plastic or metal < 1286297216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mine rarely have recurring themes, but they tend to have consistent geography with each other < 1286297221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: My most common recurring nightmare when I was young was -- imagine a zoomed-out satellite picture of a huge city on a regular British day -- not sunny, not raining. A ladder: I am on this ladder. It stretches down to the ground; my vision is that satellite picture. At the top: A hot air balloon. Someone in it -- that I recognise, encourages me to climb up further. < 1286297225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do so. < 1286297229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is unusual mostly in that the geography in the dreams is /not/ the same as the real world < 1286297232 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that is a theme by the definition I used < 1286297235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But before I get close to the balloon, the ladder tips forwards and falls away. < 1286297236 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have had a few recurring themes. but my best dreams are one time only < 1286297238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I start falling and wake up. < 1286297240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ah, OK < 1286297260 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my most recurring nightmares currently is being stabbed/shot by my friends :/ < 1286297262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh, you mean a solid ladder, rather than a rope ladder, etc. < 1286297262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: interestingly, I universally start lucid dreams in a warped version of my old bedroom < 1286297266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, metal < 1286297268 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are* < 1286297268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dreams are either really boring or all very slippery in memory. < 1286297269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's balanced on the balloon? < 1286297275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: although it's only barely resting on the hot air balloon IIRC < 1286297277 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I remember having two dreams tonight, one when the alarm clock woke me up, and one when it woke me up again after 5 minutes of snooze < 1286297281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's no real reason it should stay up for that long < 1286297282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be an interesting situation to set up in RL < 1286297284 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't remember what they were about < 1286297286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this *is* a dream < 1286297292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: interesting, ha, you'll never see me on it :D < 1286297293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dream physics is different < 1286297295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway it was ridiculously high < 1286297299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like literally < 1286297317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked down and big landmarks were like my thumb and ... whatever the finger next to the thumb is curled together < 1286297321 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "ridiculously high" is about as accurate as you can get for dream physics < 1286297327 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "index finger" < 1286297342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Millennium Dome wouldn't be very big, even. < 1286297355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was *seriously* high up. < 1286297356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for nightmares, haven't had one that woke up and/or that I remembered for months. Probably years < 1286297408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Anyway, it's weird -- once the ladder tipped forwards, it basically disappeared < 1286297409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, the detail that normally causes me to reality-check and wake up is something really minor < 1286297413 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : alise: "ridiculously high" is about as accurate as you can get for dream physics <-- hm < 1286297414 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last dream I remembered was having a conversation with the news-guy on the alarm clock when it was about to wake me up yesterday < 1286297424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: of course it did, a ladder that tall can't stand on end without something to support it < 1286297424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I have a vague memory of seeing an altimeter in a dream < 1286297426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it clearly doesn't exist < 1286297435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely wake up after a reality check, but lucidity never lasts long. < 1286297437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1286297440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I never said I became lucid < 1286297442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: this logic /actually works/ in dream physics) < 1286297453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've always wanted to end a lucid dream by setting pi to 3. < 1286297465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine everything would explode in a whirl of circles and I'd wake up as my dream physics engine crashes. < 1286297465 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never done a reality check that came out negative :/ < 1286297469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it was reading out something like "8238aj and half a donut" or something equally ridiculous though, though it seemed normal in the dream < 1286297476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: try looking at a clock, look away, check it again < 1286297478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or try reading < 1286297480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading is impossible in dreams < 1286297487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: well, it mostly happens for me when not lucid; I'm not sure if I've ever been properly lucid < 1286297493 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either I just go "wth...I'm dreaming!", or "I must be dreaming, lets try a reality check...no it never works" < 1286297495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes I randomly decide to reality-check and it comes out negative < 1286297495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only focus four words at a time and you can never seem to read them, and if you look even to the right a bit then back they'll have changed < 1286297504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that always causes me to instantly wake up < 1286297505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: you need to reality check in *usual* situations < 1286297509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point is that dreams never seem unusual < 1286297510 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I tried that once, it pointed to 4:01 twice < 1286297511 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream last night with a terrible book about Python in it. (The text was English prose, but it was syntax-highlighted similarly to Python...) < 1286297512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't rely on that < 1286297516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I envy your entertaining dreams. < 1286297519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wat :D < 1286297524 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you've been using pastebins too much < 1286297531 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: :D < 1286297532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i had an awesome dream recently < 1286297538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no reading is possible, as long as you don't try again or actually try to read. I dreamed reading street signs, as well as numbers a few times. < 1286297542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some sort of thing similar to a zombie apocalypse but not quite < 1286297544 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm certain i've read in dreams < 1286297550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like being in an action film, you know you can't die, it's just awesome < 1286297555 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I've been looking at too much Python, that's for sure. < 1286297561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I didn't actually read though, just kind of dreamed that I had < 1286297562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I did LSD twice... not sure why < 1286297569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad idea < 1286297573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed like a good idea at the time < 1286297576 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: clocks work in my dreams, so does reading < 1286297584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (what was "bad idea" to?) < 1286297591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: trying LSD < 1286297595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why? < 1286297604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of getting lucid dreams, you get non-lucid real life < 1286297609 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels strange to see it being 4:01 pm on sunday, then waking up and, 8 hours later, see it being 4:01 pm on sunday again < 1286297623 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's an experiment someone did once where they'd present some text on a screen to read, and they'd do pupil tracking, and every time they caught a saccade, they'd replace what the viewer was just looking at with different text. < 1286297625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind-of the worst of both worlds < 1286297625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd say ego death is a bit more than simple non-lucidity... < 1286297630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, trying LSD in a dream or? < 1286297634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, yes < 1286297638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads the wiki. < 1286297644 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's just horribly evil < 1286297646 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because the eyes can't really detect such subtle changes when saccading, it was really disturbing trying to read it... < 1286297647 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that seems evil < 1286297649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened? < 1286297652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: besides, I'm pretty sure you can't think "hey, this isn't realistic" when you're on LSD < 1286297661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yep < 1286297672 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't even know what they were trying to test for. i should look it up again. < 1286297676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have almost a religious level of horror/abhorrance at things that affect my ability to think straight < 1286297686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but that doesn't matter because you'd be idiotic to do it without someone who's done it before around. < 1286297687 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: who cares, that's a great experiment anyway < 1286297690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh, it's on my list of things to try some day < 1286297693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's the .NET framework, most people already have it on their computer" how does someone this stupid write anything that comes near working? < 1286297695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ego death sounds fun < 1286297697 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should try LSD sometime. i need a good babysitter tho < 1286297704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol babysitter < 1286297713 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hmm, most people with a computer probably /do/ have the .NET framework installed < 1286297719 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've seen the LSD sketching experiment haven't you? < 1286297724 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna try that on myself < 1286297724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming that most Windows XP users have needed it for something by now < 1286297730 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does not < 1286297731 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1286297732 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but not with quite as high a dose < 1286297738 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I have Mono installed even though I'm on Linux < 1286297753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to an occasional need to run .NET programs < 1286297764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm not sure that was lsd < 1286297768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's what Mono does? < 1286297771 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: def was < 1286297777 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if it was, it must have been a mild dose, surely < 1286297783 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: huge dose < 1286297783 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's a .NET bytecode interpreter, plus libraries < 1286297785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty much < 1286297786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i doubt anyone could draw on a regular dose of LSD. < 1286297798 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you've clearly not seen the experiment < 1286297802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i have < 1286297812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but i'm having a hard idea of perceiving someone pick up a pencil and put it on paper < 1286297830 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they basically had to force him to, and at a certain point even that didn't work < 1286297882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :high doses of LSD are interesting, since the active dose is so incredibly, ridiculously small, but the fatal dose is ridiculously high < 1286297895 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1286297913 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they gave the guy like 100mg or something like that < 1286297922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine how they could possibly do anything more than a regular highish dose, though... < 1286297933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i'd say that's fairly close to the most anything can do to you :P < 1286297959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway in the dream LSD was pretty boring really, everything was just a certain colour and like a day passed in a few minutes and i was back where i started < 1286297968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the non-zombie 'pocalypse was much more fun < 1286298014 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was close. apparently it was 100 g < 1286298014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I assume that if you actually fell asleep while on LSD, the dreams you got (if any) wouldn't be that different from normal dreams anyway < 1286298031 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: only out by a factor of 1000! < 1286298035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's close in one sense, but not in another < 1286298041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, in the first LSD trip, Albert Hofmann fell asleep (after a bad trip) < 1286298051 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nah, it's only 3 orders of magnitude < 1286298054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and then woke up feeling tingly and joyful < 1286298057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after an uneventful night < 1286298059 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 sounds like such a big number. 3 is better < 1286298073 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286298081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 mg of LSD is well below the fatal dose, I think < 1286298084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but orders of magnitude can be so much larger than individual units < 1286298088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is comparable to other drugs with active doses in the mgs) < 1286298093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rather than the ... mugs) < 1286298122 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286298123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Drug_danger_and_dependence.png < 1286298126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :active vs lethal doses < 1286298130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worrying enough that you can be affected by a microgram of anything, if you think about it; humans have a chemical balance so complex it can be upset by even that small an amount of a chemical < 1286298134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't give absolute values, just the ratio < 1286298141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but LSD has the lowest < 1286298150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprise, surprise, heroin has the highest < 1286298190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Typical doses in the 1960s ranged from 200 to 1000 µg while street samples of the 1970s contained 30 to 300 µg. By the 1980s, the amount had reduced to between 100 to 125 µg, lowering more in the 1990s to the 20–80 µg range,[14] and even more in the 2000s.[15] [16]]] < 1286298198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes it hard to figure out the fatal dose since it depends on the figures the graph is using :D < 1286298205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286298215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Estimates for the lethal dosage (LD50) of LSD range from between 200 µg/kg to more than 1 mg/kg of human body mass, though most sources report that there are no known human cases of such an overdose. Other sources note one report of a suspected fatal overdose of LSD occurring in November 1975 in Kentucky in which there were indications that ~1/3 of a gram (320 mg or 320,000 µg) had been injected intravenously. (This is a very extraordinary amount, partic < 1286298215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ularly when compared to the average LSD dosage of ~100 µg)." < 1286298271 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by comparison, the lethal dose of water is around 8 kg < 1286298282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1286298283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, the antidotes are relatively simple and readily available < 1286298298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: are you trying to say < 1286298300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't take LSD, take water"? < 1286298302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pretty much anything that dissolves in water works, as long as it isn't dangerous to eat itself) < 1286298309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm just trying to draw a comparison < 1286298312 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey man < 1286298313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286298325 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if, like, we're all taking hundreds of ml of a drug every day?? < 1286298332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THE WATER MAN < 1286298333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN THE WATER < 1286298336 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I can get drunk on water pretty effectively anyway < 1286298343 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we're all hallucinating and lsd reveals the real stuff... < 1286298344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1286298346 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no man! < 1286298350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tombom: I N C E P T I O N < 1286298351 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the drug is.... water < 1286298353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T H E M A T R I X < 1286298369 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1286298376 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is this Interpol language, and howcum it's not on the esowiki? < 1286298387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an esolang called Interpol? < 1286298394 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :howcum? simple < 1286298398 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one with a simular name... < 1286298398 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you kind of rub a bit < 1286298405 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :polol something < 1286298424 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's a *language* called Interpol, and it *looks* kinda esoteric: http://www.nyx.net/~gthompso/self_ipol.txt < 1286298431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to see someone try 1 mg of LSD (10x the active dose; absolute minimum estimated lethal dose is 200 µg/kg, so you'd have to be something like 5kg for this to kill you) < 1286298448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nopol? < 1286298451 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to google for, tho < 1286298453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a similar name, that's just oklopol < 1286298462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, you know Brian Raiter < 1286298471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if he codes in it... < 1286298474 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, interpol. . .same difference < 1286298481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oklopol is a person < 1286298483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i linked that yesterday btw < 1286298485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see it? < 1286298491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last quine is my favourite < 1286298496 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes. that's why it's in my browser. mocking me. < 1286298499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :harfharfharfharfharfharfharfharfharfharf! < 1286298529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: gthompso@nyx.net < 1286298530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask < 1286298536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ask brian himself < 1286298540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Brian Raiter works at Google, I doubt all his programming is in esolangs < 1286298555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breadbox [whirlpool] muppetlabs [spot] com < 1286298559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shaddap :) < 1286298573 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I didn't get a reply last time I sent a query there < 1286298577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can't remember what it was about < 1286298605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got a reply from the author of that WP7 INTERCAL interp either < 1286298671 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, according to a Reddit comment, ads on domain-parked pages have a click-through rate of 50-80%, because there's nothing else to click on < 1286298681 0 :pineal_aenimal!~pineal_ae@209.97.91.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286298695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can believe that the average Internet user doesn't realise that not every page needs to have a link followed from it < 1286298699 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe that either < 1286298700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still scary < 1286298717 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed] < 1286298722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there wasn't one < 1286298732 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they made it up < 1286298755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1286298764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a few people commenting in the thread were actual former domain parkers < 1286298799 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to pick a good domain to get good results with that tho < 1286298830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, a high conversion rate is pointless if people never visit the site in the first place < 1286298960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Underload optimisation; discuss. < 1286298968 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286298989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: apart from the S command, you can do quite a bit due to the side-effect-free nature of the language < 1286299001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the S command is sort of the point :P < 1286299004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that going below the end of the stack crashes the program, any subprogram can only access finite stack < 1286299016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, it can be seen as a function < 1286299047 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Underload optimization works much like Haskell optimization, you just need to deal with the Ses somehow < 1286299056 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1286299075 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cpressey < 1286299103 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S'es are simple, just treat the whole program as producing a list of output, surely? < 1286299126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1286299129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's effectively making them into a monad, which is one possible solution but one I've never seen used < 1286299153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1286299156 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually wondering last night how to make oerjan's kolakoski sequence generator manage to output more than a dozen digits on my C impl of underload < 1286299161 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(before it crashes) < 1286299167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay orange juice! < 1286299183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: tail recursion < 1286299191 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it does do tail recursion < 1286299207 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, my impl does. < 1286299213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSUFFICIENT < 1286299221 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERMITTENT < 1286299222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail concatenation helps, too < 1286299226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Unlambda compilation; disgust. < 1286299229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't recall the bots having a problem with it... < 1286299263 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: or do you mean, write the underload program tail-recursively? i don't even know how that would be possible < 1286299268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have I actually posted the source to derlo anywhere, yet? < 1286299280 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: tail-recursion in Underload is a ^ just before a ) < 1286299302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the standard infinite while loop is (:^):^, and any sane interp should be able to run that forever without overflowing stack, etc < 1286299320 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I should just say "infinite loop", there's nothing /that/ while-loopy about it < 1286299328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still shouldn't crash on a dozen digits, i doubt my program is _that_ space leaky :D < 1286299404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (^), the most pointless program ever; discuss < 1286299412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although (^)* might be useful for something < 1286299415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although what i know not < 1286299419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a(^)* is definitely silly, though < 1286299428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a fancy identity < 1286299448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^) is plausible for use as a data element in some encoding scheme < 1286299460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC one of oerjan's programs used it, although I can't remember the context < 1286299477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, (^) and (!) could be used for true and false < 1286299488 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule 110 one, probably < 1286299514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true = (~!^); false = (!^), imo < 1286299517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least useful true and false :P < 1286299532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I normally use either those, or () and (!()) < 1286299542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are confusing < 1286299543 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: and ^ were the simplest way to encode data using just 1 char per bit < 1286299543 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. i totally cannot think today. < 1286299544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you append ^ to the second set, you get (^) and (!) < 1286299547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's zero and one? < 1286299554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(!()) and () respectively < 1286299559 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^) almost reminds me of the standard Imp. Someone should make a Underload Battle Arena for fighting Underload programs. < 1286299559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go then :P < 1286299568 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: and a were also possible iirc but more messy < 1286299571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make nice booleans because "loop n times" is easy in Underload < 1286299577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1286299578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an if statement is "loop 0 times" vs. "loop 1 time" < 1286299583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't like how zero's different :< < 1286299590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unlike, e.g. the lambda calculus < 1286299594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :church numerals < 1286299673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it isn't really: you can construct the numbers as 0 = (()'!_), 1 = (()':_*'!_), 2 = (()':_*':_*'!_), etc < 1286299676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here like Logo? < 1286299683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just happen to optimise into much neater forms < 1286299686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, no using underlambda syntax < 1286299687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286299710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's underlambda; 'x = (x); _ = ~a*^) < 1286299723 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor is underlambda on esowiki < 1286299739 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I'm missing some ~s there < 1286299743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's far from finished < 1286299747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: vapourware < 1286299747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I tend not to put partial langs up there < 1286299749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Feather < 1286299755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: less vapourware than Feather < 1286299755 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :featherware < 1286299761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because at least I have an idea where it's going < 1286299761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with ais523 you can get close to the vapour and inhale < 1286299770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for a few lovely minutes, your brain doesn't work at all < 1286299779 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no change then < 1286299779 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you choose the underload command names so that source would naturally be littered with emoticons, or was that just happenstance? < 1286299781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you try to understand retroactive non-synchronicitic variable term rewriting of the past < 1286299784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, aren't all my esolangs vaporware at some point < 1286299792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it was clearly designed for (:aSS):aSS < 1286299797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I tend to gravitate towards punctuation marks < 1286299802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even make an argument that that can be read as < 1286299806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aSS thing is actually entirely concidental < 1286299807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"push double ass, double ass" < 1286299821 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were deliberate, it would have been properly capitalisd < 1286299840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because : is dup) < 1286299857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any objections to me removing [[Underload#Self-interpreter]]? < 1286299860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ridiculous and blatantly false < 1286299869 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind < 1286299878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "correct" in a joke-esolang sort of way < 1286299890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, but keymaker was serious at the time :) < 1286299890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pretty much every lang has a self-interp on that basis < 1286299903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, my bad. I honestly didn't think about it, this idea of passing control is obvious now, but quite new to me. I was thinking along the lines that if the data gets run, it's interpreted. :) Anyways, how would one convert the Underload program to Church numerals? (I have no idea about those.) And would some other encoding be ok (probably would)? And what would it be if my Underload-interpreter-in-brainfuck was modified to have the program we want to execute < 1286299903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : directly in the memory without the interpreter reading it from user, and that brainfuck program was then converted to Underload with ais523's brainfuck-to-Underload program. Would that suffice? --Keymaker 14:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC) < 1286299919 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that there are several different conceputal ways to think of Underload < 1286299927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that method is perfectly natual in some, and abhorrent in others < 1286299940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HTML source code" --you < 1286299941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aargh... < 1286299944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>__> < 1286299944 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(S is a wart on the lang, in that it screws some of them up; Underlambda is going to redefine output to fix that, I just haven't decided how yet) < 1286299954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, it's hardly a binary < 1286299957 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286299965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "HTML source" i would have accepted < 1286299969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HTML markup" too < 1286299972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "HTML code"? < 1286299973 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what would the correct way of writing a program that recursively interprets itself in underload (the same way that one that what's his name wrote for C does)? < 1286299974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1286299977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1286299982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's markup! < 1286299987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so i'm not normally this anal < 1286299991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HTML source code" just threw me off < 1286300000 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is golfscript usable for anything but golfing? < 1286300001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you'd have to write an interp for something, then quine into the lang that interp used as input < 1286300004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: for C? < 1286300008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286300009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall that < 1286300010 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :html is very code < 1286300011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it C? < 1286300014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: obviously, it permits embedded Ruby < 1286300025 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme check < 1286300029 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it sets it on fire < 1286300031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, okay but apart from that, which is kind of cheating. < 1286300040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, I want to make a usable application in pure CSS (plus a DOM element to start it off) someday < 1286300042 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's doable < 1286300050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's sub-TC, you can still create something useful < 1286300060 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what would it do? < 1286300068 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also brb < 1286300071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you have content: and attr() (I think it's spelled like that) < 1286300073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of state machine, I think < 1286300075 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :onvm < 1286300076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as hover and focus < 1286300082 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of madore's scheme self-interp < 1286300082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning to use mouseovers for input < 1286300083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do some things with it < 1286300086 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway < 1286300094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, and the custom-defined list numbering in CSS(is it 3? I think so) < 1286300097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets you do ridiculous things < 1286300098 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: underload interpreter in underload? < 1286300101 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a really short way to do that in underload? < 1286300114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: an underload self-interp is non-trivial < 1286300121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not that non-trivial < 1286300122 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: thanks < 1286300122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: hmm, not really < 1286300129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mm, maybe not < 1286300144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need a lookup table and a bunch of concatenations < 1286300181 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, i want to do the meta-circular thing with a rewriting lang someday < 1286300193 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but underload is somewhat interesting too < 1286300205 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how simple *would* it be? < 1286300222 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me what meta-circular means? is that the name for the "evaluate string" as flow control idea? < 1286300226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :choosing the input encoding looks like the hard bit ;D < 1286300238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you just need a lookup table and a bunch of concatenations < 1286300243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought it was about css counter stuff < 1286300246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's non-trivial, certainly < 1286300247 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: an interpreter for language X, written in language X, basically < 1286300248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivial is trivial < 1286300250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())((zero)(!^)(one)(!^)(two)(!^)(three)(!^)(four)(!^)(five)(!^)(six)(!^)(seven)(!^)(eight)(!^)(nine)(!^)(ten)())~(!!)~^^S^ < 1286300250 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zero)(!^)(one)(!^)(two)(!^)(three)(!^)(four)(!^)(five)(!^)(six)(!^)(seven)(!^)(eight)(!^)(nine)(!^)(ten)() ...out of stack! < 1286300255 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, I missed a ^ < 1286300257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: *wrong* < 1286300264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-circular_evaluator < 1286300270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a self-interpreter < 1286300277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, wrote the table backwards < 1286300289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it when useful distinctions are lost due to people misusing terms... < 1286300305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's ironic *ducks* < 1286300327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's like rain / on your wedding day < 1286300355 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i did say "basically" < 1286300404 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (!())(:*:*)(::**)(:*:*:*)(~(()(ten)(!^)(nine)(!^)(eight)(!^)(seven)(!^)(six)(!^)(five)(!^)(four)(!^)(three)(!^)(two)(!^)(one)(!^)(zero))~a*^(!!)~^^( )*S^:^):^ < 1286300404 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight three four zero ...out of stack! < 1286300411 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, lookup table < 1286300441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: proposal: remove () from underlambda < 1286300442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (::**)(:*)(::*:**)(~(()(ten)(!^)(nine)(!^)(eight)(!^)(seven)(!^)(six)(!^)(five)(!^)(four)(!^)(three)(!^)(two)(!^)(one)(!^)(zero))~a*^(!!)~^^( )*S^:^):^ < 1286300443 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :five two three ...out of stack! < 1286300444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :' and * make it redundant < 1286300453 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: () is still useful, though < 1286300462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ':'!* < 1286300465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, you need a as well to make it redundant) < 1286300478 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underlambda is somewhat golfed < 1286300484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and parens are useful for that < 1286300487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286300497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a non-()-using program that pushes () on the stack? < 1286300499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so, but... < 1286300506 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so the distinction is that when an interpreter provides direct access to it evaluation methods, one can write an interpreter for that interpreter that really just asks the parent interpreter to do interpretation? < 1286300510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(abcd) -> ':'!*'a*'b*'c*'d* :-D < 1286300514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sort of < 1286300519 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but only for the trivial reason that the first command in any Underload program has to be () < 1286300529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something containing () < 1286300532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's like writing a scheme interpreter in scheme that just handles lambda and similar control structures, making them into real lambdas, and passes off the actual evaluation to APPLY < 1286300547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Underload, there's a command to push () onto the stack, it's called 1 < 1286300550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it does name lookup, basic control structures, and things like macros if it does them; but actual (f x y z) is handled by (apply f (list x y z)) < 1286300563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a self-interpreter that uses the language's actual interpreter to do most of the work for it, basically < 1286300574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's a correct sort of interp, though, and often is used to interp one lang in another < 1286300576 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what i was trying to say < 1286300580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : no, but only for the trivial reason that the first command in any Underload program has to be () < 1286300580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286300581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286300582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no "()" < 1286300586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not no "(" ")" < 1286300587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286300592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in Underload < 1286300596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1286300610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Underlambda, you can do ((x)!) or something like that < 1286300622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's only the semantics of a codeblock that matter, not its literal representation < 1286300629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what don't you get? < 1286300657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : because it's only the semantics of a codeblock that matter, not its literal representation < 1286300658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286300676 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show me a self-interpreter that isn't meta-circular. to me, it's just a matter of degree (how direct is your circularity?) < 1286300693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: for instance, a Python-in-Python implementation that implements its own object system < 1286300697 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underlambda's S command outputs functions, and its D command inputs them < 1286300698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does tree-based AST interpretation < 1286300706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: '!a'!* < 1286300708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :effective nop < 1286300708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interp-defined what format's used to output the functions < 1286300755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, there are any number of subsets of Underlambda that are TC < 1286300759 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any interpreter for B written in A, where A and B are unrelated, which is then interpreted by a A interpreter written in B. < 1286300764 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while, I even thought about embedding BF-minus-comments in it < 1286300777 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pretty much forces you not to ask the A interpreter for help < 1286300781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < and > don't fit well with the execution model without requiring a really complex definition of + and - < 1286300804 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, the B interpreter for help < 1286300808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I was thinking about that just now; for Scheme, the sticking point seems to be closures in the intermediate language < 1286300830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, a self-interp's considered to be a "true" self-interp if it goes via an intermediate representation that doesn't include closures < 1286300851 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: in your example, the object system isn't directly meta-circular... but since it's still defined, indirectly, in terms of itself, i can't bring myself to call it "not" meta-circular < 1286300861 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so Clojure is out of the question? that seems silly, since Clojure can be compiled to java bytecodes... < 1286300877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You know, there is a use for terms that are not precise slicings of the world in two. < 1286300889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, "metacircular" is obviously not precise, but even Lojban has vague adjectives. < 1286300907 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's a self-interp either way, but there's sort-of a distinction between "compile then execute", and "interpret without compiling" < 1286300920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first is often considered cheating, especially if the compile step is very simple < 1286300932 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you seem to feel it's precise enough to yell *wrong* at me when I do a first pass explanation < 1286300933 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, it's not a straight distinction in that there's no cutoff, it's a continuum < 1286300954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: If I was yelling, I would have used uppercase. And it was more so that quintopia doesn't get confused. < 1286300957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "meta-circular" mean anyway? < 1286300964 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been yelling about the definition because I have no idea what it is < 1286300966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-circular_evaluator < 1286300981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i *did* link that definition before, but ofc you didn't see it :) < 1286300987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, clog's being slow < 1286301003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-circular_evaluator < 1286301009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that filter causes you way more problems than it solves < 1286301011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it before you posted that < 1286301017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's solved loads of problems for me < 1286301027 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, I'm away for three minutes and I come back to several screenfuls < 1286301029 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you filter them to empty string or to [missing link] ? < 1286301031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bbl for quite a bit < 1286301032 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problems it causes are problematic, but not that bad < 1286301034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: to (link) < 1286301040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty string would be rather confusing < 1286301040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I never meta-circ < 1286301040 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286301045 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286301062 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what problems does it solve? < 1286301062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also relevant: http://goatse.cx/ < 1286301070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: he doesn't like links < 1286301074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286301076 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286301076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people pestering me, mostly < 1286301077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1286301080 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i apologize for spreading confusion. < 1286301087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Sacrifice goats! < 1286301097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vast majority of IRCers assume that if they post a link, everyone will read it < 1286301115 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making myself unable to follow them at least gives me a plausible excuse < 1286301125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say "no I haven't read it because I filter links, and I don't particularly care anyway" < 1286301126 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! plausible deniability! < 1286301153 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then. < 1286301186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: hmm, the wikipedia article seems to consider meta-circular evaluators as not being self-interps < 1286301192 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas I see them more as a special case < 1286301198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, the wikipedia article doesn't say that < 1286301201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're obviously right < 1286301207 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i were to do the same i'd have my client go ahead and fetch the link up until it reaches a tag, then filter the link to the title < 1286301213 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The difference between self-interpreters and meta-circular interpreters is that the latter restate language features in terms of the features themselves, instead of actually implementing them. (Circular definitions, in other words; hence the name). They depend on their host environment to give the features meaning." < 1286301215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's a direct quote < 1286301229 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way i can know what the link was to, while still being able to deny having received a link < 1286301230 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, Wikipedia, it's actually Reginald Braithwaite who I disagree with < 1286301245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ingenious < 1286301252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are some sites I don't even want to send TCP requests too < 1286301254 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1286301263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the firewall here is somewhat insane < 1286301273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's been lying to the pavement again < 1286301291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ah, what raganwald meant there is < 1286301297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"difference between them and REGULAR self-interps" < 1286301298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure < 1286301302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps < 1286301305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could just be lack of context < 1286301324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a smart guy, so < 1286301346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I want to write an Underload quine where every string is treated either entirely as data, or entirely as code < 1286301365 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, either S is never run on it, or ^ is never run on it < 1286301376 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds fun < 1286301407 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably wouldn't fit into one line of IRC, though < 1286301465 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you have someone that goes through your web access logs seeing which domains you've accessed? < 1286301480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes in theory < 1286301490 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastages < 1286301639 0 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286301685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the firewall's stopped portscanning me < 1286301807 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, all my ports are closed to anyone but 127.0.0.1. Why do you care? You're a NAT, it's not like anything would happen even if the ports were open, as I don't have a public IP...) < 1286301909 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamesauce < 1286301916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda x,y:x-1,y < 1286301920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently y is not defined < 1286301922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid scoping rules < 1286301945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: INTRA-UNIVERSITY ILLEGAL FILESHARING OVER PORT 453 < 1286301976 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I hadn't even thought of communicating with other people on the same subnet < 1286301978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if indeed there are any < 1286302003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely they could just firewall it at the router if they cared that much? < 1286302014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, insist all traffic went to a different subnet?) < 1286302041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if k=='h': < 1286302041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : w[Y,X]=46;X-=1;w[Y,X]=64;D(0,0) < 1286302041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elif k=='l': < 1286302041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : w[Y,X]=46;X+=1;w[Y,X]=64;D(0,0) < 1286302048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what it does! < 1286302065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving the character in a roguelike < 1286302078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 is @, the characters are typical roguelike movement keys < 1286302091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know 46 off by heart, but suspect it's . based on context < 1286302096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%c",46); < 1286302105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how C is ais523's go-to calculator < 1286302114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is, yes < 1286302116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what D does :P < 1286302120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most langs don't convert between integers and characters transparently < 1286302135 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, D is less obvious, especially as the params are always 0 < 1286302139 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, EgoBot isnt here < 1286302147 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego? < 1286302156 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D=update display? < 1286302161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes; what are the arguments? < 1286302166 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286302179 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :offset into screen to start updating at, maybe? < 1286302185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1286302201 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286302213 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, is someone going to explain what Underlambda is? < 1286302242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's a language project by me < 1286302243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: here's D's definition: < 1286302245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def D(a,b): < 1286302245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for B in range(b,b+23): < 1286302245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for A in range(a,a+80): < 1286302245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : s.addch(B-b,A-a,w.get((B-12,A-40),46)) < 1286302251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :based around an esolang, also with the same name < 1286302251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: b/B is y, a/A is x < 1286302255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just renamed them to avoid clashes < 1286302274 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where's the esolang kept, if anywhere? < 1286302282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to build an esolang that's easy to compile into other langs, and easy to compile other langs into < 1286302283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my head < 1286302383 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So taking Brainfuck's niche as the standard language for proof by isomorphism? < 1286302396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nah, most langs are hard to compile /into/ BF < 1286302402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to make it work both ways < 1286302404 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamit they set off the fire alarm again < 1286302413 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :motherfuckers < 1286302414 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, OK, so even better? < 1286302419 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get, eventually, an automatic converter between any two esolangs < 1286302422 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits < 1286302426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopelessly inefficient, ofc, but who cares < 1286302449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, my roguelike now moves around properly < 1286302453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to do scrolling < 1286302455 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Practicality is so boring! < 1286302457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's on an infinite plane) < 1286302462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also golfed) < 1286302466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it non-Euclidean! < 1286302477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEtHack! < 1286302505 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would capitalise the 't', but is there such a thing as non-Euclidean topology? < 1286302513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, in this game, pressing a direction key for long enough will cause you to run out of memory < 1286302516 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does Python accept thin-spaces for indentation? < 1286302516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the sparse array is filled < 1286302520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :-D < 1286302535 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i think topology might be non-Euclidean by default. < 1286302541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be great if you could mix all the different space-widths in Unicode < 1286302542 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that, Euclid never touched the stuff < 1286302546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you want to see what i currently have? < 1286302553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather imagine it < 1286302557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might take a look when I'm finished < 1286302563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*when it's finished < 1286302566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's 23 lines, FWIW < 1286302571 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I have a strange aversion to unreleased projects < 1286302577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, unfinished < 1286302584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's finished as far as moving around goes ;) < 1286302585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to like to get things done first before an official release < 1286302588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from scrolling < 1286302598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet, provide copies of the work-in-progress to anyone who asks < 1286302615 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the only programs where people frequently have asked are jettyplay, and occasionally AceHack) < 1286302631 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... < 1286302631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to incorrectly assume that the rest of the world operates like that, for some reason < 1286302644 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're more then, let's say, 15 characters out of the centre < 1286302648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then scroll one place < 1286302653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, we were discussing mono earlier? I seem to remember that the mono program I ran, I downloaded the source from codeplex.com < 1286302654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so X,Y are the centre < 1286302656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x,y our position < 1286302667 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both their web-links and svn links weren't working properly, so in the end I used a recursive wget < 1286302735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x<X-15:X-=1 < 1286302736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x>X+15:X+=1 < 1286302736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if y<Y-15:Y-=1 < 1286302736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if y<Y+15:Y+=1 < 1286302739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: make that faster < 1286302743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286302744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorter < 1286302760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that isn't working < 1286302761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1286302780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Slashdot are debating commercial breaks on television < 1286302795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was in Canada (mostly receiving US TV channels), whenever a commercial break came on I changed channel < 1286302806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and checked back a few minutes later to see if it was still there < 1286302812 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it? < 1286302816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes < 1286302820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite often, actually < 1286302828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC the US channels all have short, frequent breaks. < 1286302830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I do that in the UK too, except I rarely watch television there < 1286302833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tend to get stuck on the BBC < 1286302839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no BBC, so there's nowhere to run. < 1286302840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's long, frequent breaks < 1286302891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, more frequent than ours though I think < 1286302908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Star Trek, over here, tends to do the abrupt-fade-out-then-in-again that usually signals an advert break, even when there's no adverts < 1286302911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, typical in the UK is one or two minutes every 10-30 minutes, randomized < 1286302997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's random? really? < 1286302999 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286303011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, not on Sky it isn't! < 1286303011 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: when I actually cared, which wasn't for very long, I didn't notice an obvious pattern < 1286303015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was on ITV < 1286303022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 3 minutes every 15 minutes < 1286303023 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could only get the terrestrial channels then < 1286303044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the adbreaks were extremely short, like 20 seconds altogether, but those were rather rare < 1286303057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely just sponsors < 1286303076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you actually bother with Sky? < 1286303098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: uh, occasionally. < 1286303101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x<X-15:X-=1 < 1286303101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x>X+15:X+=1 < 1286303101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if y<Y-15:Y-=1 < 1286303101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if y<Y+15:Y+=1 < 1286303102 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly in this age of torrents? < 1286303109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't this work... < 1286303120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow decreasing x increases Y! < 1286303122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck! < 1286303129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1286303130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong sign < 1286303138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't get rid of numbers! < 1286303154 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A decrement must have an equivalent increment! < 1286303157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, doesn't quite work with diagonals < 1286303170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts some random dust into the playfield to make it easier to see < 1286303187 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's overflowing! < 1286303233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, now it randomises every time :-D < 1286303241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i leave a snail trail < 1286303249 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better < 1286303341 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1286303373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: have you not seen Forte? < 1286303384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have done more than the Crawl developers could. < 1286303385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every command in that which isn't a no-op or simple I/O permanently gets rid of a number from that program < 1286303393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Made a larger-than-screen playfield that scrolls non-annoying.) < 1286303396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Forte < 1286303398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1286303399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x<X-15:X-=1 < 1286303399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x>X+15:X+=1 < 1286303399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if y<Y-5:Y-=1 < 1286303399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if y>Y+5:Y+=1 < 1286303402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was not difficult! < 1286303416 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: NetHack scrolls like that too, but only if you're using an unusually small terminal < 1286303420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(normally there's no need) < 1286303433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, what values does it use instead of 15 and 5? I guess you're unlikely to know :P < 1286303445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not offhand < 1286303447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check < 1286303451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! :) < 1286303456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 15 and 5 may be a bit too low < 1286303468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 5 has the nice property that it scales well from 15 < 1286303475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(15/80)*24 = 4.5 < 1286303481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last line is reserved for my babble) < 1286303485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286303487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the terminal is 80x24 < 1286303489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be *23 < 1286303509 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1286303511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so it should be 4 < 1286303512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever < 1286303585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the code uses some sort of complex dead-reckoning for efficiency, which makes it hard to read < 1286303590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, NetHack, you micro-optimised /that/? < 1286303599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286303705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know the simplest way to get curses to just bloomin' restore the terminal at the end? < 1286303747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it moves the screen left and right by 20 at a time if it gets within 5 of the left or right screen edge; vertically, by half the screen height (not counting topl, botl) if it gets within 2 of the screen edge < 1286303760 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: endwin does that automatically, or should < 1286303768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286303769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo() < 1286303769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endwin() < 1286303769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as your termcap's set up correctly < 1286303776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286303778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even need echo < 1286303779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286303806 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, your code isn't identical to NetHack's code < 1286303813 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pretty close < 1286303816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how surprising :P < 1286303819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you know the values it uses? < 1286303825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done s/15/17/ < 1286303826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> it moves the screen left and right by 20 at a time if it gets within 5 of the left or right screen edge; vertically, by half the screen height (not counting topl, botl) if it gets within 2 of the screen edge < 1286303846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 20 at a time? < 1286303846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urgh < 1286303853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 at a time is the only way to avoid disorientation < 1286303860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, edge cases are handled in the actual code, but not in that description < 1286303873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, Crawl scrolls 1 at a time, if it gets more than 0 from the centre < 1286303932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're doing it in a mix between the NetHack and Crawl styles, which are close to being opposites < 1286303958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mine's the style that doesn't give you a headache ;) < 1286303979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, I found that in Enigma, which has level-configurable scrolling, the least confusing tends to be scrolling an entire screen instantly whenever you move within a few pixels of the edge (keeping one line) < 1286304009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nethack's is especially awful if you end up holding down one of the keys at the edge < 1286304016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since your character bounces around < 1286304043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, bear in mind that NetHack levels are only 80 characters wide < 1286304051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286304054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas mine is infinite < 1286304055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd bounce at most three times before you reached the other end of the level, no matter how small your terminal < 1286304058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and procedurally generated, hopefully < 1286304074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a roguelike < 1286304078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the function to *draw the screen* will randomly assign stuff to unassigned cells in view, I think) < 1286304080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all procedurally generated, pretty much < 1286304083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's also a golfed roguelike :P < 1286304098 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wots all this then? < 1286304104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if you could make the Mandelbrot set into a roguelike? < 1286304114 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ....... omg. < 1286304117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: YES < 1286304118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :place stairs on bits more detailed than the current zoom level < 1286304120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat xD < 1286304126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going downstairs zooms in, upstairs zooms out < 1286304127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> place stairs on bits more detailed than the current zoom level ;; you mean every bit? < 1286304130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can zoom in anywhere < 1286304137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I mean, where there's anything interesting < 1286304140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than solid black or white < 1286304145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think if you use naturals instead of silly colours, you have detail everywhere but the centre < 1286304146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rather more limited, to the "edge" of the set < 1286304148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very boring detail, but still < 1286304149 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just s/stairs/some magic/ < 1286304154 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That voodoo you do < 1286304172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Unfortunately, the Mandelbrot set is a bit slow to compute. < 1286304195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember writing my own Mandelbrot program < 1286304202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, my program crashes with no message if you resize the terminal and do anything < 1286304209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you could zoom right in until you started hitting distortions due to floating point rounding < 1286304212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just refuses to run with no message if your terminal is the wrong size < 1286304218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no < 1286304220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too big works < 1286304221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too small doesn't < 1286304239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting thing is, the rounding errors created little sets of their own which looked like distorted Mandelbrot sets < 1286304246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: AWESOME < 1286304249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they fractal? < 1286304260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although not as detailed as the set itself < 1286304265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually you ended up dividing by zero < 1286304306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1286304355 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< pikhq> Microsoft Word: the worst program to design web pages in, and this *includes* Malbolge. ← you know how much I hated my school's computing course? < 1286304413 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1286304487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still maintain that MS Publisher is an /even worse/ program for designing web pages < 1286304544 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the markup is even less semantic than Word's (tables everywhere, even for simple text), the page is normally forced to a width different from that of your actual screen (Word doesn't do /that/), and it has a habit of randomly replacing text with images because it can't figure out how to render it as HTML < 1286304607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot, cursor positioning works < 1286304641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 lines now < 1286304720 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is "MS Publisher"? < 1286304729 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, language? < 1286304734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I heard the name once or twice, but I have never seen it < 1286304735 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you don't want to know. < 1286304735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Python :/ < 1286304737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: be glad that you don't know the answer < 1286304740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "horrible" < 1286304756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, okay but what role is it intended to fill? < 1286304759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is all I'm asking < 1286304762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <Vorpal> ais523, what is "MS Publisher"? <Phantom_Hoover> Vorpal, you don't want to know. <ais523> Vorpal: be glad that you don't know the answer <alise> Vorpal: "horrible" < 1286304762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, you know when you open up a PDF in the GIMP or OpenOffice Draw or something like that? < 1286304771 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um, no? < 1286304779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a bunch of maybe editable text, some images, all at exact locations on the page < 1286304786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I opened pdf in inkscape, to edit some vector graphics < 1286304793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inkscape will do fine as well < 1286304803 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1286304814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, you can open up printed documents like that, but it isn't too useful for actually understanding the document, agreed? < 1286304816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: MS Publisher is a bunch of little Word documents arranged in absolutely-positioned boxes < 1286304819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with absolute sizes < 1286304824 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you can copy-paste bits of text, but not much else < 1286304830 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS Publisher is that in reverse < 1286304832 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :236|<Vorpal> ais523, what is "MS Publisher"? <Phantom_Hoover> Vorpal, you don't want to know. <ais523> Vorpal: be glad that you don't know the answer <alise> Vorpal: "horrible" < 1286304838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, actually constructing printed documents via this method < 1286304902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fun fact: I actually had a useful printed document I made this way in Publisher ages ago, but it was too hard to transfer from one laptop to another, and almost impossible to edit in Linux; nothing reads .pub files, and the .ps files it outputs are absolute abominations) < 1286304907 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um what? Opening up pdfs can be useful I found it useful to open up that thing in there, the vector graphics had too thin lines, so when included in a latex document (as "Figure 1: Diagram from simulation showing current over time" or something like that) the lines were invisible. < 1286304911 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so I recreated it in Excel, which was actually easier despite it being a text document) < 1286304911 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful: < 1286304913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1286304924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean, that's an insane way to /create/ a PDF < 1286304947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the simulation program could only print the result iirc, not save it as an image < 1286304948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i *think* your method of explaining has a few too many steps of brainpower required to interpret. < 1286304953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try using words of two syllables or less < 1286304969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: were you forced to use Publisher at school? < 1286304971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes indeed insane way to create pdfs though < 1286304979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was, but can't remember, I suspect my brain has erased memories of it < 1286304984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah. i'm talking about for Vorpal though < 1286305027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Adobe Reader always shows lines at least a pixel thick (maybe even at least 2 pixels), even if they're thinner < 1286305035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wait, can't you edit the text directly in publisher? < 1286305037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, because I made a PDF with zero-width lines by mistake < 1286305043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, just as you can in an opened PDF < 1286305046 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, my old school used it *incessantly*. < 1286305057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked fine in Reader, but broken in Sumatra < 1286305058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My old school used Publisher incestuously!" < 1286305062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, I'm not sure what caused it. I was using evince to view it, and it had to be scaled to fit into the latex figure < 1286305074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I couldn't see the lines, and that trick worked perfectly < 1286305082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how Vorpal's just gone on to ignoring ais523's lines and relaying his anecdote instead < 1286305092 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no I didn't. < 1286305097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I did both at once < 1286305105 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, maybe you failed to keep up? < 1286305113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm semi-convinced that Vorpal permanently has his scrollbar a few lines from the bottom of the screen < 1286305119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he seems to only say things said around 15-20 lines ago < 1286305120 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, no < 1286305122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or his brain just works *that* slowly < 1286305132 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, s/say/see/ ? < 1286305160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal smells funny. < 1286305160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/say/reply to/ < 1286305165 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION times response < 1286305167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway I did get a bit lagged when writing that long line about inkscape, and I didn't bother to read the rest until I finished that line < 1286305221 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what annoys me is people that fill up the screen with related lines they could have combined in a single message < 1286305234 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think my theory's correct < 1286305236 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather read a few long lines than a lot of short ones < 1286305236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, hm indeed < 1286305238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Y'know, I've got half a mind to extend Quod Libet to handle video. < 1286305240 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, it's a conversational format. < 1286305241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that there wasn't a response yet, but will be soon < 1286305247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get used to it. < 1286305261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, response to what? < 1286305266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal> quintopia, hm indeed <-- *you* do it all the time < 1286305268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover's message < 1286305274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably hasn't scrolled onto your screen yet < 1286305277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1286305282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh that, I ignored it < 1286305282 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, i don't complain about it do I? I just sit silently and be annoyed. < 1286305297 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He sits in range at the short line lengths! < 1286305297 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm making this one exception to make my peeve known and shall not mention it again < 1286305302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, my roguelike actually uses the characters to determine what objects are < 1286305304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how robust! < 1286305307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I can't sensibly claim victory in this argument because my own argument was self-contradictory < 1286305309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still hilarious < 1286305309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at the very least write a video player that actually uses MKV metadata. < 1286305311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: people don't think of things all at once < 1286305315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it speeds up conversation < 1286305316 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ooh, are you coding one? < 1286305318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1286305324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, it's golfed < 1286305328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and insane < 1286305334 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, MY GOD, WHY AREN'T YOU EXACTLY FOLLOWING THE CONVERSATION < 1286305336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and played on an infinite plane filled with silly enemies and silly gold < 1286305338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, cool, how extensive? < 1286305340 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286305342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Umm... infinite < 1286305343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286305350 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: speeding up conversation is exactly the part about it that annoys me. People should just be smart enough to have large gestalts < 1286305355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 lines atm < 1286305357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, can you use the money for anything? Like shops? < 1286305361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: dude, this is IRC < 1286305366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would that take too much space? < 1286305374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe. < 1286305377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty boring if not < 1286305385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not aiming for any absolute limit, just trimming down code wherever possible < 1286305387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and hm, is there any specific goal or does it just go on until you die? < 1286305388 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what does "gestalt" mean in that context? < 1286305408 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, if the latter, the term "arcade rougelike" comes to my mind < 1286305413 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems rather silly < 1286305413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably the latter < 1286305417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a victory condition would be too hard < 1286305419 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the series of connective ideas from one thought to another < 1286305423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and require non-randomness of some sort < 1286305425 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, an arcadelike rougelike perhaps! < 1286305433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe after you get enough gold, you can go to a special boss level < 1286305439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286305483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not just teleporting straight away IMO. Would be better to spawn a teleporter or some stairs or something next to the player < 1286305491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a ? tile which actually *is* undetermined right up until you hit it < 1286305494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quantum tile < 1286305498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1286305500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, there'd be like booths every now and then < 1286305503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a quite low probability < 1286305505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you'd have to go to < 1286305517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you know payphone booths? < 1286305524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286305528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather rare these days < 1286305530 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still have those < 1286305533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a pay-TARDIS < 1286305534 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen them < 1286305537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're common over here < 1286305545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes: the portal to the boss is a pay-TARDIS < 1286305548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of no better solution < 1286305549 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen one for... 5 years or such? < 1286305554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1286305563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :open booth, bigger on the inside, insert coins :P < 1286305573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also has phone and internet < 1286305580 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, any leveling system? < 1286305591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe. < 1286305602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to weight probability: in your random selection, have more copies of one tile! < 1286305608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I feel it wouldn't be much of a rougelike without leveling and equipments and such < 1286305623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T=' $$$$$%%%!' < 1286305637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, it crashes < 1286305638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that is a reasonable way to do it yes < 1286305642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :endwin() unfortunately erases the error message :P < 1286305654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you don't have something with like 1/1000th of the probability of the another thing < 1286305668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: thankfully, i am far too lazy to have that < 1286305678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, nobody would find it, the gameworld is too boring to explore _that_ long < 1286305689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1286305696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need those booth to be uncommon < 1286305721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, in my test version i have some code i didn't change when the floor tile became space, not ., and it leaves a trail of .s behind you when you walk < 1286305723 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as for crashing, hm... it managed to run endwin() after it crashed? < 1286305724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i might make that an item < 1286305740 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh like "red yarn" or something? < 1286305741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :World's Largest Ball of Twine < 1286305743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking < 1286305749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286305776 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a bit annoying if you don't move in a mostly straight or curving line < 1286305786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not really, it just helps you find where you went < 1286305792 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286305794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is useful if you're looking for that booth you saw seven screens ago < 1286305810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not if you criss crossed your path a lot before maybe hm < 1286305825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, can't have everything. < 1286305835 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you plan to use fixed screens? Not centering on the player all the time? < 1286305865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1286305865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x<X-17:X-=1 < 1286305866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x>X+17:X+=1 < 1286305866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if y<Y-5:Y-=1 < 1286305866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if y>Y+5:Y+=1 < 1286305873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can move around your centre area, but then it scrolls outside it < 1286305874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, jumping "window" < 1286305883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it scrolls around just fine, but doesn't give you a headache (I'm looking at you, Crawl) < 1286305883 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works I guess < 1286305889 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1286305905 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I find "always-centered-on-player" isn't too bad < 1286305913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do, so nyah < 1286305918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1286305919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove the +n and -n if you want that :P < 1286305929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as long as you can see what you are moving to wards < 1286305936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :towards* < 1286305949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286305954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole field is visible at all times < 1286305960 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, which language? < 1286305968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, unlike NetHack, there is light, and you are not hideously short-sighted < 1286305970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: python. meh. < 1286305976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286305991 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that explains those "not very golf-y newlines" at least < 1286306012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :len(';') == len('\n') < 1286306024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the indentation has an effect, but i can't avoid that < 1286306030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at the start) < 1286306031 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286306032 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's an if < 1286306034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a block structure < 1286306038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can't just do ; and more of them < 1286306045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first line of that function: < 1286306047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : global x,y,X,Y;w[y,x]=46;x,y=a,b;w[y,x]=64 < 1286306052 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, um you can, but not sure it helps that much. Remember that irc bot in python with just lambda? < 1286306062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might take more space < 1286306064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1286306113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, w[y,x]=46 ? < 1286306120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the . < 1286306125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to move away from there < 1286306125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286306126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w is the grid < 1286306130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(world) < 1286306140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T=' $$$$$%%%!' ;; I can't actually use this, it has to be charcodes, so: < 1286306141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T=[32]*10+[36]*5+[37]*3+[33] < 1286306142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1286306157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wut" < 1286306161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ wc -c vagrant.py < 1286306161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :633 vagrant.py < 1286306162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell yeah < 1286306171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: [x]*n = [x,x,x,x...] n of them < 1286306175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286306178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]+[...] = [...,...] < 1286306190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ! < 1286306226 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also I assume the player is @ in the best of traditions? What about giving it a completely useless pet. Wait I'm detecting feature creep. < 1286306237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no :P < 1286306249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, those weightings are a little off. < 1286306257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD: < 1286306265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://imgur.com/JTySy.png < 1286306267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I mean, nethack pets... just die a lot. When playing val I find it just gets in the way. < 1286306273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for wiz it makes sense but... < 1286306277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are very useful in sokoban. < 1286306284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the end < 1286306288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: i have done that exactly once) < 1286306290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had like four pets < 1286306293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all gained in sokoban < 1286306296 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, for curse testing? < 1286306298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1286306300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the room at the end < 1286306305 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes? < 1286306305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just let my four pets fight them all < 1286306307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't get a scratch < 1286306310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, the monsters inside < 1286306312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't the monsters all asleep < 1286306314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inside < 1286306321 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or didn't you have stealth? < 1286306325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't. < 1286306328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286306333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the harder version of the level, btw < 1286306346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oReflection one < 1286306361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but a monster got spawned on the Elbereth < 1286306363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, pets near the end of game can be useful. I mean, tame archeon? Or tame ki-rin (probably only reasonable for knights) < 1286306367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a werecreature stole it, I think < 1286306371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it certainly wasn't there < 1286306390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286306397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol even changing the space weighting to 100 doesn't work < 1286306405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 is better < 1286306423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, lucky you didn't do the expanded array thing then < 1286306436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T=[32]*1000+[36]*5+[37]*3+[33] < 1286306437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1286306456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :len(T) = 1009 < 1286306458 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way in Coq of bundling theorems together given some axioms? < 1286306467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you say that the ! was? < 1286306467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1286306474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: modules, "Parameter" < 1286306482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it sections? I forget < 1286306484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't -- potion. < 1286306487 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286306494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you have some object Group which gives lots of goodies when passed the group, composition and axioms. < 1286306496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just HP potion :P < 1286306499 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and $ is gold I presume... % is food? < 1286306504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286306518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hp potion will most likely just incr an internal hp potion counter by something random < 1286306525 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what weapons will be available? < 1286306533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then quaffing a potion will heal min(sum, 15) or whatever < 1286306535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sections would seem to do it, but I don't know how they actually work. < 1286306540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your fists < 1286306545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: see manual ;) < 1286306545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no sword? < 1286306566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could also think of it as a sword < 1286306571 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a rougelike without the equipment system < 1286306579 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting to lose track of the BBC pop scientists < 1286306580 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and levels < 1286306594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm not exactly an avid follower. < 1286306602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dude, it's close enough! < 1286306724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't even have walls < 1286306728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i might add them. < 1286306787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286306800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, need them for boss and booth at least < 1286306806 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walls that is < 1286306815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the booth will actually just be a single character. < 1286306824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes but larger on the inside you said? < 1286306829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a TARDIS joke. < 1286306832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286306837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the effect of it being a pay-teleport will be conveyed entirely through one line of message :P < 1286306840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought that you would show it on screen < 1286306841 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1286306845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it will < 1286306855 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, randomly placing walls would be silly, because sooner or later you would then run into a barrier you couldn't pass. < 1286306867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You insert your gold into the slot. ... The door opens! --More--" < 1286306876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wow -- it's bigger on the inside! You see a big, shiny button. --More--" < 1286306877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given perfect randomness and so on < 1286306882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You press the button... --More--" < 1286306892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Suddenly, you find yourself in a barren desert, with this evil guy." < 1286306896 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still Euclidean. I disapprove. < 1286306904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so go in another direction :P < 1286306925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, "technically", you could end up surrounded entirely by monsters < 1286306927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well sooner or later you will run into a wall that surrounds you < 1286306931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there could never be a booth generated, ever < 1286306934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, you won't < 1286306938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even *close* to remotely probable < 1286306945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if you can embed the hyperbolic plain into a terminal sensibly-ish. < 1286306945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not probably at all indeed < 1286306957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sooner or later it will happen, given an infinite plane < 1286306963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I'm completely wrong < 1286306983 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it would take ages, I assume. < 1286306985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perfect randomness of course < 1286306986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the probability approaches 1. < 1286306988 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes it would < 1286306996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, you do not have time to play that long < 1286307002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed < 1286307002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given, say, the predicted age of the universe. < 1286307011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never claimed it was likely < 1286307023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, getting surrounded by walls at the start is more probable < 1286307035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that is just 8 tiles < 1286307038 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not likely < 1286307042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but *more* likely < 1286307042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still hideously improbable :P < 1286307045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering the low probability of walls < 1286307049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than running into it at some distance < 1286307064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed, getting two wall segments next to each other would be low < 1286307068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, approximate wall probability? < 1286307070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you try to deal with that < 1286307081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "small" < 1286307087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh also: with walls you need LOS calculations < 1286307093 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, OOM? < 1286307093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will likely generate them separately or not at all < 1286307096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: er? why? < 1286307100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1286307108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, glass walls? < 1286307109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Order of magnitude? < 1286307119 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T=[32]*1000+[36]*5+[37]*3+[35]*3+[33] < 1286307123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except more likely than that, probably < 1286307130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. < 1286307134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or you have x-ray vision < 1286307135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick one < 1286307144 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1286307183 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I prefer the dungeon to be filled with strange cubes made of breakproof glass :P < 1286307300 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that if the attribute is found through the normal mechanism, __getattr__() is not called." <-- I love how this leaves what "the normal mechanism" is, up to the imagination. < 1286307326 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pulls a normal mechanism out of his pocket < 1286307332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to have a dividing line before the status line < 1286307334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's too confusing < 1286307383 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I detect python naming there < 1286307390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks ugly < 1286307398 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__slots__, __init__ and so on < 1286307432 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1286307432 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286307432 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt JOIN :#esoteric < 1286307460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi coppro < 1286307492 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286307557 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI POOPPY < 1286307719 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what else would I be carping about? < 1286307733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does banging into a wall in nethack affect the turns? < 1286307735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't, does it < 1286307778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, err? < 1286307783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286307785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@# < 1286307785 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ v < 1286307785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1286307788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you mean, if you advance a turn if you try to walk into a wall? < 1286307790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286307792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it erodes engravings, but has no other effect < 1286307796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the erosion on engravings is probably a bug < 1286307800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't think I ever tried XD < 1286307804 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, heh < 1286307809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is exploited to great effect by people reverse-engineering the RNG < 1286307820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it advances the RNG seed < 1286307895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :listened to an interview on radio with a professor in discrete math. Quite unusual. < 1286307950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err, how could you know the seed < 1286307962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, it's seeded with the current date and time, right? < 1286307968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286307969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have no message line, woo < 1286307977 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, seeds follow a pattern, set off enough random events and you can figure out where in the pattern you are < 1286307987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286307993 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone made a bunch of rainbow tables, they had to change the RNG to reseed from /dev/random in order to block that on NAO < 1286308001 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is it time() or gettimeofday() ? < 1286308009 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the former you couldn't probably manage to figure out < 1286308022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter has way too high res for you to figure out when it ran without a debugger < 1286308034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the former, and you can get it within a few seconds pretty easily < 1286308048 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286308051 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and within a second allowing for network lag and clock skew, which you can manage by seeing what happened with your failed attempts < 1286308085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, anyway how easy would it be to figure out the seed if it started off from /dev/random? I mean, you could probably still figure it out with a table < 1286308092 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking up start sequences < 1286308094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as I said, it was rainbow-tabled < 1286308109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh *re*seed < 1286308112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on NAO, it reseeds from /dev/random every now and then, paxed's keeping the exact interval secret < 1286308112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the "re" < 1286308129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on /dev/null, it uses a cryptographically secure RNG seeded from /dev/random < 1286308134 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1286308154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's even a bunch of tables for doing AES quickly < 1286308167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1286308184 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, /dev/random is a bit iffy though, compared to /dev/urandom. It would get stuck quickly quite easily if many people start games at the same time < 1286308195 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbow tables! man, i love that game < 1286308199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed, probably /dev/urandom < 1286308203 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what? < 1286308209 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently using /dev/urandom directly was too slow < 1286308213 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you know. rainbow tables! < 1286308222 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, yes, I know what they are. But "game"? < 1286308231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: NetHack? < 1286308235 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! the best! < 1286308237 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286308243 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than musical chairs even! < 1286308246 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought cpressey meant a game called "rainbow tables" < 1286308251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just confused me < 1286308257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okayyy, my M function is fucked up. < 1286308266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what does M do? < 1286308271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moves < 1286308273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and updates everything :P < 1286308275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286308687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def Q(x):s.move(23,0);s.insertln();s.addstr(23,0,x);s.getkey() < 1286308692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Why does everything suck? < 1286308697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because. < 1286308749 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class object: def __suck__(self): return True < 1286309042 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286309045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: L+=int(not randint(0,3)and randint(5,10)) < 1286309047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHA < 1286309059 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a bitwise and? < 1286309067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and likewise not) < 1286309068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope < 1286309073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C logical? < 1286309077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1286309083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Python logical < 1286309088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, right < 1286309092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it returns the right argument only if the left is 0 < 1286309097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*False < 1286309100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 0 < 1286309102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or [] < 1286309102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or '' < 1286309103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1286309103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and int(True)=1, int(False)=0 < 1286309105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case I don't get the not < 1286309113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'll elaborate on the logic: < 1286309121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1/3 chance: increase HP by random in range 5 to 10" < 1286309171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and most of the time nothing happens < 1286309176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that 1/3 or 1/4? < 1286309231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 1/4 < 1286309233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should be 13 < 1286309234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*1/3 < 1286309359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "H:-46" < 1286309361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some hunger < 1286309464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTFFF < 1286309470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hunger increases properly unless i hold down for a while < 1286309479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it stops increasing, then goes to something random when i move in a different direction < 1286309480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1286309485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buffer overflow? < 1286309489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1286309567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: want to see the WIP version? < 1286309578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: everyone: you too < 1286309616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: HOW could hunger possibly go down like that?! < 1286309640 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you're not mixing longjmp and autos, either < 1286309654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, the random number is probably significant, you should figure out what it's referring to < 1286309656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in Python? < 1286309661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's not random < 1286309663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually decreases < 1286309664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1286309676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you used the wrong variable name somewhere? < 1286309679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's mysteriously gained another digit < 1286309680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nope < 1286309687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : s.addstr(22,0,'_'*80);C('$:%-17s T:%-17s H:%-17s HP:%-3s (%s)'%(G,N,H,L,P));s.move(y-Y+11,x-X+40) < 1286309693 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1286309696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G is Gold < 1286309701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N is turNs < 1286309703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H is Hunger < 1286309705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L is Life < 1286309707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P is Potion < 1286309747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, there is nowhere else I change these values... < 1286309757 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286309763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286309768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 8xx thing behaves like 1xx < 1286309774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 900 made me die < 1286309775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1286309807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's really annoying. Really really annoying. All the rips of Monty Python's Flying Circus out there are from the NTSC DVDs. < 1286309880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to make hunger actually be satiation < 1286309910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY WOULD I WANT NTSC VERSIONS OF A PAL BROADCAST? < 1286310010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I swear, this is *utterly* inscrutable to me. < 1286310015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wanna debug my golfed Roguelike?!?!?!?!?! < 1286310023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just... GOD. < 1286310144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I can find from-PAL rips of the *movies*. < 1286310154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, the ones that are 24 fps. < 1286310155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DEBG < 1286310176 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that I could de-telecine from the NTSC source) < 1286310240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I have to be pickier than everyone who does encodes for torrents? < 1286310242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear, it's like key repeat does nothing to this. < 1286310307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have to purchase the series from amazon.co.uk just to not be irritated. < 1286310338 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :farnsmetchl < 1286310367 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... you torrent TV programs, but buy them if the torrents are in the wrong format? < 1286310389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out a code of laziness/ethics/piracy that would cause that to be your typicla behaviour < 1286310391 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*typical < 1286310425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Actually, I torrent them, but then get irritated at the low quality of the torrents, and I am now being irritated. < 1286310426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Piracy is not wrong, and I am a perfectionist." < 1286310435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what alise said. < 1286310435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is ... pretty much also my position. < 1286310444 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps < 1286310467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in *this* case, I made the DVD rips from roommate's box set, and am now being irritated that it wasn't in PAL. < 1286310538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: seriously, if I had the hard drive space to make it practical, I'd just be storing remuxes of the DVD. < 1286310605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is, 1.2 Mbps h264 & source audio works. < 1286310721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Please figure out why Python is ignoring physics. < 1286310734 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: btw, how do you pronounce your nick? because i tried last night and what came out sounded really awful. < 1286310774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Peek aitch kyuu < 1286310774 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentally pronounce it as in pik HQ < 1286310775 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you care, i found your hs bf compiler i had saved to my flash drive, and i said to myself, "oh yeah that's pikhq's" < 1286310783 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually just stop reading after "pik" < 1286310786 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Eff you < 1286310820 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: probably because guido doesn't understand it? < 1286310823 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh! is it... supposed to sound similar to "Pikachu"? i'm surprised i never noticed < 1286310831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes. < 1286310841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I was 8 and fond of Pokémon. < 1286310857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pronounce it "pikhq" < 1286310862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Vorpal: want to see the WIP version? <-- sure < 1286310864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me tell you, pronouncing "khq" is a BITCH. < 1286310875 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I demand some IPA. < 1286310902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pi" as the start of pikachu; ktch-kyu but don't pronounce the u < 1286310918 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in. | Your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in. | Internal data flow error. | Your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in. | Your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in. | Internal data flow error. < 1286310923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: As soon as I get quaffing working :P < 1286310926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No max HP hooray < 1286310929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should add that < 1286310989 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr, music players on linux worked much better before gstreamer < 1286310996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also need to go through my anime collection and get rid of all the hardsub'd stuff. < 1286311007 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardsubs anger me. < 1286311211 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286311353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES THIS NOT FURK < 1286311405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: pastebin it somewhere, I'm interested now < 1286311423 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1286311423 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286311423 0 :coppro!~scshunt@unaffiliated/scshunt JOIN :#esoteric < 1286311440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def C(x):s.insstr(23,0,' '*80);s.addstr(23,0,x);s.redrawwin();s.refresh() < 1286311443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this inexplicably fixes everything < 1286311445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the redraw lines) < 1286311464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://pastie.org/1201439.txt?key=fo9d7wsmz1xh8b6gwnkbvg < 1286311466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it break < 1286311470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove ";s.redrawwin();s.refresh()" < 1286311482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that fail: get a ! (potion), q(uaff) it, doesn't show until next turn < 1286311483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I wasn't planning to run it < 1286311497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold down j (only j works, I have no idea why), watch turn and satiation counters not change after a while < 1286311500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :move in another direction < 1286311501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go WTF < 1286311507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's perfectly innocuous... < 1286311519 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Vorpal: No max HP hooray <-- heh < 1286311524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is now < 1286311525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(300) < 1286311592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286311596 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, any leveling? < 1286311601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1286311607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't much of a rougelike without that :( < 1286311610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or monsters yet < 1286311616 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: does anything else on your botl update? < 1286311620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh eff of, it's going to be like 150 lines *with* the boss < 1286311623 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if it's an issue with the cursor position < 1286311627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: $ when you get $ < 1286311632 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what do you call it? < 1286311634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP obviously < 1286311637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vagrant < 1286311639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vagrant.py < 1286311650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eff off < 1286311662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah I need to make a Vagrant'ELM then (Extended Levels and Magic) ;) < 1286311695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably won't do it though, not enough motivation < 1286311753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286311755 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems I more and more prefer thinking about programming than actually programming. Not just the theoretical parts, but also sometimes the implementation details < 1286311763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you actually figure it out, do enlighten me :P < 1286311766 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only someone invented a serialization interface for the brain < 1286311796 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so N and S don't change, but G does? < 1286311819 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I thought about brainfuck optimisation quite a bit recently, and thought of some interesting things, but meh, can't be bothered to code all the analysis needed for it. < 1286311830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly ways to optimise unbalanced loops < 1286311853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :require quite a lot of graph operations to figure out invariants and such < 1286311971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: N and S change, yes. < 1286311973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them change < 1286311977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at different times < 1286311982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N and S change in lockstep except when you eat < 1286311982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, when holding down k < 1286311984 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*j < 1286311987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than in general < 1286311992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: N and S change but not G unless you run into anything. < 1286311998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any $s, in particular < 1286312004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P would change if you run into a potion < 1286312006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this happens on open space < 1286312008 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when holding down j and N and S become bugged, does G also change? < 1286312014 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you hit a $ at random? < 1286312017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow, *not redrawing* causes the variables to change state permanently(?!?!?!) < 1286312028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm not sure, it's never happened to me < 1286312030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to try < 1286312031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286312033 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, argh not vimkeys < 1286312038 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numpad numpad! < 1286312041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. < 1286312042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286312044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, :( < 1286312061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I assumed you'd use vikeys for roguelikes... < 1286312067 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numpad controls + laptop = argh < 1286312073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he is allergic to vikeys < 1286312075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's why I learnt vikeys initially < 1286312078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and religiously insists on numpad < 1286312079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now really < 1286312079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286312248 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python would be just that much less obnoxious if only it had 'isa' and 'has' and 'can' < 1286312434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Imagine the storage space that could be had if we brought back 5¼" hard drives. < 1286312455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know. < 1286312459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/alise: // < 1286312481 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I touched one once! It was already dead, alas. < 1286312547 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286312698 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draco_%28programming_language%29 < 1286312885 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a language where tokenization happens on case-change boundaries < 1286312944 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SwapDivPrint < 1286312948 0 :pineal_aenimal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 241 seconds < 1286312952 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a 40 MB 5.25" IDE HD in my closet. Imagine the storage space. < 1286312982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A modern 5¼" drive. Imagine what could be. < 1286313018 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I recall correctly, it's split to a 32 MB and 8 MB FAT partitions, because DOS ~3.2 didn't support such hugeness. < 1286313199 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: when you get back, I can't see what's causing the error, but am confused about scopes; why is there a "global" in M but not D? < 1286313272 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that should be: swapDIVprint < 1286313477 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should totally write a utility that just fills my terminal with randomly coloured solid squares. < 1286313482 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would actually find this useful < 1286313516 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my poorman's version is ls -la with dir colourization active < 1286313538 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286313554 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286313571 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai < 1286313593 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi threw "status access violation" or something < 1286313702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moral: don't mess with the status access. < 1286313712 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-70-79.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286313712 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286313712 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286313790 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, wait, it was you who did Burro, right? < 1286313861 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The same! < 1286313867 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean: yes. < 1286313913 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: why do you want a utility to do that? < 1286313914 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To beat a dead horse some more, aren't groups and monads the same kind of thing? < 1286313916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be too hard... < 1286313957 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: To easily see when I've reached the top of the output of the last command I issued when I browse the scrollback. < 1286313964 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run ls -la before it. < 1286313966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286313983 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running 'rainbow vomit' or such would be much cooler, though. < 1286314053 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Same kind of thing? Sure. < 1286314082 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have this thing, and this other thing, and they do stuff. < 1286314182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a group is a set G, a function . : G×G→G and the conditions of identity, inversion and associativity. < 1286314182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> Vorpal: I assumed you'd use vikeys for roguelikes... <-- this is not the first time you told me that < 1286314186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I told you I do not < 1286314201 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it is like the 7th time over the past few years < 1286314248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cpressey> Python would be just that much less obnoxious if only it had 'isa' and 'has' and 'can' <--- like... "import foo" → "can has foo"? < 1286314251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1286314262 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monad is a functor m, functions unit and join and the monad laws. < 1286314284 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A group is a tool for studying symmetry mathematically. < 1286314289 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Your turn. < 1286314312 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touché... < 1286314391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tofu < 1286314405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you only need global to assign < 1286314407 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think the category-theoretical definition of monads involves wrapping around data. < 1286314407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank guido < 1286314417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not really. < 1286314432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, VERY SLIGHTLY < 1286314436 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: are you sure? does it not form a closure without? < 1286314455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not if you do += < 1286314455 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not exactly what I had in mind < 1286314458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works if you do =, just forms a closure < 1286314461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you do += it fails < 1286314467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it expands to < 1286314468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = x + ... < 1286314469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I suspected as much < 1286314470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x isn't definef < 1286314471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*defined < 1286314473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're defining it < 1286314478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it must be part of the new scope, not globals < 1286314479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it errors < 1286314480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray < 1286314487 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all hail the simplicity of unscopedness < 1286314491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I mean, if you use a variable inside a definition, don't you read the value it had when the definition was defined? < 1286314492 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hovering I just couldnt resist joking about that horrible lolcode < 1286314505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: let's put it this way < 1286314507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=3 < 1286314510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f():return x < 1286314512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f() => 3 < 1286314514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :------------------- < 1286314515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=3 < 1286314518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f(): < 1286314521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : x=9 < 1286314522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return x < 1286314523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f() => 9 < 1286314524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1286314525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-------------- < 1286314526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 3 < 1286314526 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1286314527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f(): < 1286314530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of scoping is that? < 1286314530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : x = x + 3 < 1286314533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return x < 1286314534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f() => ERROR < 1286314543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it sees that x is defined somewhere, yet you use it before it's defined! < 1286314547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, that scoping is okay < 1286314548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first two < 1286314551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one doesn't modify the global < 1286314558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it creates a local < 1286314559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now finally < 1286314560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 3 < 1286314561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one looks like some sort of scope-by-reference < 1286314563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286314565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1286314569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't mutate global x < 1286314573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third one is the real issue < 1286314574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already said that < 1286314577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally < 1286314577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286314578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = 3 < 1286314579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f() < 1286314581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f(): < 1286314582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : global x < 1286314585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : x = x + 3 < 1286314586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return x < 1286314588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f() => 6 < 1286314589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x => 6 < 1286314593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm asking about x=3; def f(): return x; x=9; print f() < 1286314598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't a case you've suggested so far < 1286314603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 9 < 1286314609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was bletching at < 1286314623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1286314628 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is wrong order? < 1286314635 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all hail < 1286314648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I suppose it's using lexical scoping there < 1286314652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but explicit < 1286314660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: huh? < 1286314663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to show f's grouping < 1286314668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=3 < 1286314670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f(): < 1286314671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return x < 1286314671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x=9 < 1286314677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :print f() => prints 9 < 1286314678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I meant < 1286314679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is obvious < 1286314679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a hail storm at cpressey < 1286314682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what everything does < 1286314687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hailstorm* < 1286314704 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Haskell allow you to define monads that don't even obey the monad laws. < 1286314705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English isn't even consistent about *which* words it writes as one < 1286314705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here, x in f() means "the current value of the variable x that exists in the scope where f was defined" < 1286314705 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "lexical" < 1286314709 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1286314721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's lexical scoping < 1286314734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there, yes < 1286314738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1286314752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, can you explain this in English: "hailstorm" but "car engine", why not "hail storm" or "carengine" < 1286314756 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MADNESS < 1286314771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: historical accident < 1286314777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although "hail storm" is also correct < 1286314790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is there any pattern to when words are written together and when they aren't? < 1286314790 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although "hail stone" might not be < 1286314799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, see < 1286314805 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not that I know of < 1286314807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more confusing < 1286314819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Swedish isn't totally consistent either so shaddup < 1286314832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a lot more though, also any specific examples? < 1286314887 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and you imported the word "gravad lax" from Swedish (much like you did with smörgåsbord), except you turned it into "gravadlax" iirc. Since usually it is English who writes as separate words it doesn't make much sense XD. (Also it is completely logically that it should be two words in Swedish) < 1286314888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't know swedish, but i know for a fact it isn't totally consistent. < 1286314894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if anyone cares I could explain why) < 1286314902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also know that if anyone used it as much as english, it would be just as inconsistent < 1286314920 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, correct, we have other issues, you have easy rules for when to use "a" and when to use "an", we have en/ett and no easy rules for when to use which < 1286314956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I simply have no idea how that code could possibly cause the number of turns to decrease, ever. < 1286314974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I was just looking for a pattern in this specific issue, I did not claim Swedish was consistent in general of course. Such a claim would be absurd. Where did you get that from? < 1286315004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere < 1286315013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying stop acting like it's strange that english is so abhorrently inconsistent < 1286315018 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286315032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not. I was just wondering about a specific issue < 1286315044 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language doesn't travel halfway across the globe without picking up a few venereal diseases < 1286315046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise,, maybe you should try to base your attacks on something more substantial than thin air next time < 1286315047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286315065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you often complain about english. < 1286315069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is really irritating and boring. < 1286315076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, my interest in this was simply finding a better way to figure out than checking if aspell accepts the written together form < 1286315085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The pattern is this: English does compound words with spaces between the components. Things that don't do this are exceptions. < 1286315095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, don't generalise. I didn't do it in this case. < 1286315104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so yeah your attack was based on thin air < 1286315113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also: always-adding-spaces is also correct. < 1286315117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hm < 1286315125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, like "hail stone"? < 1286315126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Correct but inidiomatic. < 1286315131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfectly correct. < 1286315133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with English, really, only idiomatic matters. < 1286315135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286315139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286315141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hail stone isn't < 1286315149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hailstone isn't a type of stone < 1286315153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a hailstone < 1286315157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a hail storm is a storm of hail < 1286315161 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It doesn't get noticed at all as unidiomatic. And in fact I'd write it as "hail stone", likely. < 1286315163 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i will certainly know what you mean if you say "a hail stone hit me in the forehead" < 1286315176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about "arrow head" then? < 1286315187 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286315191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds monsters < 1286315201 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nice, what sort of monsters? < 1286315201 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :germanic vs latinate steel cage match < 1286315204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd write that as "arrowhead". < 1286315204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: evil ones < 1286315214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, correction: "fore head" :P < 1286315216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monsters that only start moving when you walk into their view: realistic! < 1286315221 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286315223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't think "arrow head" is wrong, though. < 1286315226 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, same, but would "arrow head" be correct? < 1286315229 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286315242 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "fore head" screams "wrong" though. < 1286315249 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"arrow head" has amusing connotations to me. like it's an unusual part of an arrow. < 1286315264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm parsing "fore" as a morpheme but not an individual word. < 1286315271 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yeah, which shows that the "spaces is always correct" rule suddenly breaks down :P < 1286315276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286315284 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you have fore and aft hm < 1286315292 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :star board < 1286315298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what should monsters look like. < 1286315305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: English orthography is hard, mmkay? < 1286315313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, that should be "stearing side", iirc that is the history of the term < 1286315322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q. Q is a good monster colour. < 1286315324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comes from scandinavian langauges iirc < 1286315327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old norse or such < 1286315348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "styrbord" in Swedish, which is a lot closer to making sense in the modern form < 1286315364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like starboard which changed so much that it doesn't make immediate sense any more < 1286315389 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i hasten to point out that there is no "steering side" on a modern ship either < 1286315399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/86/Large_Hailstons_in_Leipzig_Jun06.jpg < 1286315402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1286315405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, "The origin of the term starboard comes from early boating practices. Before ships had rudders on their centerlines, they were steered by use of a specialized steering oar. This oar was held by an oarsman located in the stern (back) of the ship. However, like most of society, there were many more right-handed sailors than left-handed sailors. This meant that the steering oar (which had been broadened to provide better control) used to < 1286315405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : be affixed to the right side of the ship." < 1286315419 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286315422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to store health for every single monster... Hmm. < 1286315444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, not on modern ones, but surely you have seen viking ships on TV and museums and such? < 1286315447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not over there < 1286315448 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286315450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: make hitting the monster kill it outright with small probability, do nothing otherwise? < 1286315460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the more you pound on any given monster, the more likely it is to die in that time? < 1286315465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Stupid interpretation of US law ahoy: "if corporations are people, and slavery is the trade/exchange/purchase/sale of people, and the stock market is the trade/exchange/purchase/sale of corporations. Then in effect, the Stock Market is a slave Market." < 1286315476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the law literally says "CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE" < 1286315476 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that one < 1286315479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is why corporations get jobs! < 1286315481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, he's *serious* < 1286315486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The Citizens United ruling either needs to be overturned or the Stock Market needs to be eliminated for violating the Constitution...") < 1286315509 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that the word "owning" has a different meaning wrt corporations, and wrt natural persons, to some extent < 1286315515 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-224-53.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286315521 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, if you can control a person's actions via voting at them, isn't that slavery in some respects? < 1286315524 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did put it in terms of 'if then' < 1286315543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, I think that argument might technically be legally correct with a literal meaning < 1286315549 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> ais523: no, he's *serious* <-- who? < 1286315553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: reddit < 1286315555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286315563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, but no law says "corporations are people" < 1286315568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just "corporations have these rights, yada yada yada" < 1286315583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought there was a law defining corporations as "persons" < 1286315585 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concept is "corporate personhood" < 1286315587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(stupid legal plurals...) < 1286315590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if not randint(0,14): < 1286315590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Q('Euuch! That must have been poisoned...',1);L-=randint(15,20) < 1286315593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :food is a bitch in this game < 1286315596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that corporations have all the same rights as people < 1286315606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: not all, IIRC < 1286315607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just many < 1286315620 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the concept. not the reality < 1286315620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/dn3b9/can_we_make_this_happen_redditor_suggests/c11fnbm < 1286315627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ from someone who actually knows it :P < 1286315636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While I disagree violently with the ruling, and I think it sets a dangerous precedent in law and allows a destabilizing financial force to enter our political process, the OP's remarks above have no basis in law or reality and would certainly have no power to convince a jury to repeal this verdict." < 1286315674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a while back, I had a bit of crisis, in that I oppose corporate personhood but supported agoran partnerships < 1286315677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: then I realised IT'S A GAME < 1286315694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agoran partnerships are clearly a bad idea if you're trying to build a fair democracy < 1286315706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing that that isn't the goal at Agora, or it would be a very boring game < 1286315740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :) < 1286315809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I think you can oppose corporate personhood and support agoran partnerships for the same reasons < 1286315809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to inject viral rules into Agora? < 1286315815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, and has been done before now < 1286315819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt it would be all that interesting < 1286315825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did they do? < 1286315846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them changed precedences at random, IIRC < 1286315852 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it was a rule fragment that made the rule defer to other rules < 1286315892 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286315900 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how would it spread? < 1286315920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it wasn't a truly independent virus, but rather was spread by a separate rule < 1286315929 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286315932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any fully permanent rules? < 1286315941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how would a truly independent one work? < 1286315952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd contain the code for replicating itself < 1286315957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what is it with crazy Americans and not wanting to pay income tax? < 1286315963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, as in any rule can in theory be changed via a 3:1 majority < 1286315966 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286315978 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so that rule is therefore immutable. < 1286315991 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, couldn't that be changed to require a 4:1 ? < 1286315995 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed < 1286316010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could change the rules to make them truly immutable, although such a change would be unlikely to pass < 1286316011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, even the fountain? < 1286316030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm? < 1286316031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1286316034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a power=3 rule to kill it < 1286316036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the fountain can legally be changed at AI 3; most people would think it very bad form to change it at an AI less than 4, though < 1286316046 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AI? < 1286316050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and many people think it should only be changed via scam < 1286316058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Agoran Intelligence? < 1286316060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the higher the AI, the harder it is for a proposal to pass, but the more it can if it does pass < 1286316064 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And surely the voting rules are immutable? < 1286316065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more it can do < 1286316065 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286316073 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and of course not, they change frequently in fact < 1286316079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what does AI stand for? < 1286316086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adoption index < 1286316089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1286316090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah* < 1286316098 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286316100 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so can the 3:1 rule be disabled and then a permanent rule introduced? < 1286316102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, 3 is enough to change anything, but by convention some things need more (and people vote against otherwise) < 1286316106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: of course < 1286316112 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :other rules need to be disabled too to make a permanent rule < 1286316116 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has this been attempted? < 1286316119 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the one that says permanent rules are disallowed < 1286316125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, because permanent rules are a stupid idea < 1286316137 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permanent viral rules? < 1286316137 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the whole point of a nomic is to not have permanent rules < 1286316143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the 3:1 rule is just the proposal-passing rule. < 1286316144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even that's a bad idea < 1286316155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you even want a permanent viral rule? < 1286316158 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single rule which says only "this rule is immutable". < 1286316171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even that would be bad form IMO < 1286316178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a permanent trophy, make it too cool to repeal < 1286316195 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, people will never vote to repeal it < 1286316197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, such as the fountain? < 1286316200 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286316202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1286316210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wasn't there a whale too? < 1286316214 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rule 104's never been changed, and as a result, most players will refuse to vote for changes to it < 1286316222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as there's no reason to change or repeal it < 1286316235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: rule 2105 < 1286316243 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened to egobot? < 1286316248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, http://www.agoranomic.org/ <-- wait, did they redesign that page < 1286316250 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's was explicitly intended for people to scam their way into, eventually, but it lasted longer than expected < 1286316253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "they"? < 1286316254 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the agora nomic website that is < 1286316256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote that < 1286316260 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1286316260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ais523 rewrote it, now it's unreadable < 1286316267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no it isn't < 1286316268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because of the silly two columns) < 1286316269 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and alise has gone all crazy about inability to read the page < 1286316269 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just different < 1286316277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: if a page is in two columns and one is ads, is it unreadable? < 1286316292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why would two columns be unreadable < 1286316292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you'd fill a whole column with ads? < 1286316296 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia main page uses that < 1286316298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I've seen it done < 1286316299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot more < 1286316301 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286316308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I try and keep a policy of not talking to anyone who takes disagreement as "going all crazy" < 1286316309 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w3c uses 3 columns iirc < 1286316312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't, I mean < 1286316313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so please don't. < 1286316324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you can filter out ads from a second column, why not text? < 1286316329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: w3c uses three columns, of which one is content and the other two is navigation < 1286316330 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora would seem an interesting thing to do, but I suspect it'd require a large investment of time and effort... < 1286316343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyway why is two columns of text wrong? < 1286316354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, it requires basically 0 < 1286316361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not that much, you only need to pay attention once a week or so, maybe even less < 1286316366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a lazy arse who just mocks wooble every now and then on the mailing list < 1286316368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm still a player < 1286316390 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want things to /happen/, you basically have to do them yourself, otherwise it just sits there doing nothing but the occasional report < 1286316402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're content to watch and chip in occasionally, hardly any effort's required < 1286316434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I don't understand rule 104 < 1286316438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I just read it < 1286316448 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what is a speaker in agora? It takes too much to find the relevant rules < 1286316451 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION offers ais523 as a sacrifice to summon Egobot. < 1286316452 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Speaker for the first game shall be Michael Norrish < 1286316455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1286316468 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes, you said that "<ais523> rule 104's never been changed, and as a result, most players will refuse to vote for changes to it" < 1286316469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um < 1286316472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Speaker for the first game /was/ Michael Norrish, it doesn't matter what it means now < 1286316477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, I still have the swatpan. < 1286316481 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ah < 1286316486 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swatpans ais523 --==\#/ < 1286316488 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, Michael Norrish is obligated to be MIchael Norrish, an obligation that he takes very seriously < 1286316498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, err? XD < 1286316510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once, Michael Norrish was not Michael Norrish < 1286316514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we exiled him from the game retroactively < 1286316527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: is that just a blatant lie? < 1286316532 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286316532 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you know something you aren't telling me? < 1286316538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know ... all things ... < 1286316549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's as much of a blatant lie as him being serious about his responsibility to be himself) < 1286316552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is to say, entirely) < 1286316563 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286316569 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, it was found via CFJ that he legally had to be Michael Norrish < 1286316578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's generally been pretty good about keeping to the rules < 1286316587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm < 1286316591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ooh, I have an excellent idea < 1286316602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Michael Norrish is breaking the rules; I'll elaborate in /msg < 1286316642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm does "suffusion of yellow" come from Dirk Gently or does it have some older source? < 1286316664 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: a sacrifice to Gregor, I assume < 1286316682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: incidentally, I learnt WML from looking at existing examples < 1286316683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I mad? < 1286316688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dirk gently < 1286316697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wait, no < 1286316699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RishoNomic < 1286316704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Rishonomic < 1286316706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Dirk Gently would be older < 1286316707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286316716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't < 1286316719 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it shouldn't be too hard < 1286316723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you see how much time travel was in that story? < 1286316735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, err...? < 1286316737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what a language! < 1286316749 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like someone decided to make an XML-based language, and was serious about it < 1286316755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mixed it with the C preprocessor < 1286316765 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but it is a DSL so learning it from examples wouldn't be impossible < 1286316778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in my experience < 1286316782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it isn't a DSL, really < 1286316786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1286316786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty general language < 1286316790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1286316813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also I thought it was heavy on [ ] for syntax? was that the preprocessor stuff? < 1286316857 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, that's the XML < 1286316862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses square brackets rather than angle brackets < 1286316871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the preprocessor uses #ifdef, etc, as in C < 1286316877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that # is /also/ a comment character < 1286316882 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, it uses braces < 1286316891 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1286316915 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it pluggable? < 1286316918 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be pluggable. < 1286316930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: very pluggable < 1286316940 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hah < 1286316941 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do {path/to/directory} < 1286316948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it automatically #includes every file in that directory < 1286316961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is WML the WAP one? < 1286316962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not #include or anything such? < 1286316963 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286316964 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1286316969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1286316970 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: a sacrifice to anyone with the power to summon egobot. I want to test a BF Joust entry before I add it to the wiki :-) < 1286316970 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does order matter? < 1286316972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no, Battle for Wesnoth < 1286316974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no? it is wesnoth < 1286316988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not called #include, it's called {}, which is the syntax also used for something entirely different < 1286316995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, XD < 1286317001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, the game disambiguates by checking to see if the file in question exists or not < 1286317004 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I guess it is not LR(1) or? < 1286317011 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286317016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed crazy parsing at least < 1286317016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, hopefully it checks the list of definitions first) < 1286317023 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the best kind of context dependency ever! < 1286317026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it's basically XML, it parses incredibly regularly < 1286317040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, huh, but not preprocessing? < 1286317040 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, the only way I found to make it error at all is to include a mismatched bracket or something like that < 1286317049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else just fails silently < 1286317057 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's rather nasty < 1286317078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lang isn't aware that it's trapped inside Wesnoth < 1286317078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also why is the preprocessor used? Not for control flow I presume? < 1286317083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for subroutines < 1286317083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOAST A BEAR < 1286317087 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is inlined < 1286317089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, *ouhc* < 1286317093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ouch* < 1286317106 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, not large enough toaster < 1286317106 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a way around it, but it's really complex, involving setting up events to call each other in the future < 1286317109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, otherwise: sure < 1286317111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the subroutines are more efficient < 1286317117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: < 1286317121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal would eat toasted bear < 1286317126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no I wouldn't < 1286317129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that the loading bar when you start playing is mostly inlining subroutines < 1286317130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would toast it < 1286317136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say I would eat the result < 1286317137 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, :P < 1286317155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, please read what it says, I would test it on you first < 1286317159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if it was eatable < 1286317184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*edible? < 1286317190 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, who eats a /toaster/ < 1286317191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, edible as well < 1286317205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eatable and edible, what a requirement < 1286317214 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286317217 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, eatable I define as "physically possible to eat, like you can get it into your mouth and so on" < 1286317220 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1286317221 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomable? < 1286317224 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does firefox suck so much < 1286317230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edible I define as the usual meaning < 1286317230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your definition does not agree with the english language < 1286317233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: because it isn't chrome < 1286317238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything edible; That can be eaten without harm; non-toxic to humans; suitable for consumption; That can be eaten without disgust < 1286317239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en.wiktionary.org/wiki/edible < 1286317241 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, of course not, since when did it ever do that? < 1286317241 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: due to excessive suckage < 1286317242 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you know :( < 1286317249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "edible" does not mean "nice" < 1286317250 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise stop reading my mind < 1286317251 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome seems like an appropriate material to plate a toaster with... < 1286317256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"edible" means "literally able to be eaten" < 1286317267 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eatable < 1286317268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you mean by "eatable" is actually "edible" < 1286317273 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cheater99> jesus fuck < 1286317273 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cheater99> why is it so hard to find an extension for firefox < 1286317273 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cheater99> that makes the address bar search things, like in chrome? < 1286317273 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cheater99> it is impossible < 1286317273 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* cheater99 says that with a french accent < 1286317275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alis<alise> Vorpal: "edible" does not mean "nice" <-- correct < 1286317287 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but see my link < 1286317295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edible (not comparable) < 1286317295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That can be eaten without harm; non-toxic to humans; suitable for consumption. < 1286317295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eatable (comparative more eatable, superlative most eatable) < 1286317295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Able to be eaten; edible < 1286317299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they mean the same thing. < 1286317299 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what if you say a girl is edible < 1286317306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, okay then < 1286317306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that eatable makes no sense. < 1286317313 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that mean she's nice? < 1286317315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it exists as a word < 1286317316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edible also means "That can be eaten without disgust." but less so < 1286317318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, thus :P < 1286317325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: "Yeah, she's totally non-toxic to humans". < 1286317332 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1286317348 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well "inedible" can still be "digestible" < 1286317357 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, there are some types of mushrooms < 1286317360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a guy digested a plane < 1286317360 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are not edible < 1286317363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mean the plane is edible :P < 1286317368 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you force yourself to eat them, you won't die < 1286317384 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or get ill < 1286317388 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are just terrible in taste < 1286317392 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and difficult to chew < 1286317396 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1286317406 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in a pinch, they provide protein < 1286317424 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286317472 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise have you ever picked mushrooms < 1286317482 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a person who enjoys trip to the woods < 1286317489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1286317500 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're missing out < 1286317554 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1286317570 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286317604 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, here is what I dislike about doing that: < 1286317625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exhibit A: Mushroom tasting nice. < 1286317629 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you suddenly start hallucinating and find yourself in devonshire? < 1286317636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exhibit B: Looks exactly like A but lethal < 1286317644 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with clothes on you've never seen before? < 1286317649 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exhibit C: Looks exactly like A but causes you to hallucinate < 1286317660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exhibit D: Looks exactly like A but just tastes boring < 1286317665 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inedible mushrooms look completely different < 1286317672 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what you're talking about < 1286317677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no problem with exhibit c :) < 1286317687 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALISE :O < 1286317698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or d, really < 1286317701 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly thinks alise is a miscreant < 1286317705 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1286317712 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not really) < 1286317714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, depends on if you serve it at the annual anti-drug society meeting :P < 1286317721 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: haha < 1286317742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes B is the issue < 1286317760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, anyway what about "kantarell" whatever that is called in English I don't know < 1286317771 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there are some sorts that look extremely similar to a lethal one < 1286317775 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll give you a hint: < 1286317777 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find out < 1286317791 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then tell me what they're called in english. < 1286317838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes two seconds with interwiki, maybe Vorpal could take the effort. < 1286317841 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you mean podgrzybek szatański, whatever that is called in english i don't know. < 1286317853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286317861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out it was not the one I was thinking of < 1286317873 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal, i think you need to use the wyszukiwarka tekstu. < 1286317886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, I'm looking for the one I meant < 1286317894 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1286317906 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was not kantarell (chanterelle) < 1286317918 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286317921 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 11:30 pm < 1286317930 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i go eat some french cheese? < 1286317962 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: do you enjoy cheese? < 1286317968 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i bet you're all for cheese < 1286318007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, well not all sorts < 1286318012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stand goat cheese < 1286318035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes it was chantarell < 1286318044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, this is the very similar one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygrophoropsis_aurantiaca < 1286318070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lethal < 1286318072 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still nasty < 1286318119 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lets talk about mushrooms < 1286318141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286318147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, anyway, there you are, night now → < 1286318165 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are pairs of very good and very toxic mushrooms that look very near the same... < 1286318184 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, exactly < 1286318186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :→→ < 1286318211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: AI is hard, maybe I'll just make them walk randomly. < 1286318257 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: make them kill their own kind < 1286318311 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: and add mushrooms of hallucination < 1286318327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallu would be hard with my design < 1286318328 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe not < 1286318341 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: they look nearly the same, except their biotopes don't intersect. < 1286318341 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost never ever. < 1286318348 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they do, every guide book has a big warning about it < 1286318370 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lists the give away characteristics < 1286318384 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there are at least one pair of mushrooms that look nearly the same, but one is very good and one tastes extremely bad. < 1286318400 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one is the evil twin < 1286318461 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point stands < 1286318485 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286318532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wow hallu is amazing < 1286318757 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286318810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it's evil. < 1286318819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even you can change character. < 1286318869 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This mushroom is commonly confused with the Chanterelle; the distinguishing factors are color (true Chanterelle is uniform egg-yellow, while the false one is more orange in hue and graded, with darker center) and attachment of gills to the stem (true Chanterelle does not have true, blade-like gills--rather, has rib-like folds running down the stem). < 1286318871 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1286318884 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those blades are the giveaway < 1286318927 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what hallu? < 1286318940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game? < 1286318940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: hallu in vagrant, my silly roguelike < 1286318944 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1286318967 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh, i thought you meant a hallucination < 1286318975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :65 lines of python and no architecture that'll let enemies behave non-stupidly! < 1286318977 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i thought you have realized your plan of taking magical mushrooms < 1286318978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286318979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1286318984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can make them chase you no matter what < 1286318992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: lol, that'd be some speed < 1286319032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, another one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blusher < 1286319091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe killing a dude should give you like $1,000 < 1286319146 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, your roguelike needs to be easily FooTV-like-system-able < 1286319154 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably one of my favorite things about Crawl < 1286319160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there is only one enemy and it doesn't even move. < 1286319161 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Sgeo < 1286319164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet at least < 1286319167 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: umm, HELLOO < 1286319171 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone home? < 1286319178 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on this shitty lcd monitor.. < 1286319181 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably lots of people < 1286319183 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see this thing is pink < 1286319192 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you ever think it's edible? < 1286319204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, utter fail < 1286319204 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :edible mushrooms are yellow-brown. < 1286319206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although edible, it can be confused with deadly poisonous species, and should definitely be avoided by novice mushroomers." < 1286319227 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and novice bear toasters alike < 1286319228 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there you go < 1286319233 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares if it's edible < 1286319235 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't touch it < 1286319238 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a different one < 1286319242 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286319244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ wc -c vagrant.py < 1286319244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1605 vagrant.py < 1286319246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good charcount for this < 1286319250 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, still my point stands: they all look alike unless you are an expert < 1286319267 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you ever want to do that < 1286319275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what? < 1286319281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat mushrooms? good question < 1286319285 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :search for mushrooms which look like shitty ones < 1286319286 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run wc? < 1286319321 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, irrelevant for my original claim < 1286319325 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: paste code plz < 1286319334 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: your original claim was that it was a problem < 1286319336 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is not. < 1286319339 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u loze < 1286319343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, it is < 1286319352 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to someone who does dumb things, yes < 1286319362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the biotope thing is not enough to help me at least. I'm not a nature person < 1286319369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't tell what biotope it was < 1286319379 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus my original claim stands < 1286319425 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, also /<cheater99> u/s/u/you/;s/loze/lose/ < 1286319430 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn to spell < 1286319433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1286319449 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrn2sed < 1286319476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, yes it was completely correct sed < 1286319490 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought u sed nite < 1286319498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, I had not turned off monitor yet < 1286319530 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, also please learn to type. people writing "u" instead of "you" and so on is *really* annoying < 1286319532 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you don't say "correct sed", you say "correctly sed". < 1286319536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh it is? < 1286319539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes them look like idiots < 1286319544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well ull hav 2 get used 2 it < 1286319549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wont u < 1286319550 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vlr; < 1286319553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, And indeed, so you said < 1286319557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *sed < 1286319560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *'n < 1286319564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*u < 1286319574 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cheater99> also, you don't say "correct sed", you say "correctly sed". <-- no, I used sed as a verb < 1286319578 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: n' no commaz < 1286319581 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dat iz unkool. < 1286319583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286319588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean noun of course < 1286319589 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*w8 < 1286319592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use it both ways < 1286319595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :punk-tutuashion is unk00wl < 1286319600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart 4rom - < 1286319610 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u sed it alise < 1286319611 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1286319615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you know, this is just filtered out :P < 1286319616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/it/alise/ < 1286319622 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^5! < 1286319633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I say good night, unlike last time I used /away as well < 1286319638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes a difference → < 1286319651 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dat < 1286319651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: you should debug my code < 1286319655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hi < 1286319660 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: url? < 1286319679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: http://pastie.org/1201769.txt?key=xtvbpktbvv5gbzotg5bphw < 1286319683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's golfed < 1286319702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monster movement code (the nested for loop in M) < 1286319704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crashes it somehow < 1286319709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the endwin means you never see the exception :D < 1286319716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's wrong with it, anyway < 1286319724 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286319729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck figuring out what all the variables do, i pretty much just pick a letter of the alphabet < 1286319735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : w[y,x]=46;x,y=a,b;w[y,x]=64 < 1286319736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286319737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be < 1286319740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : w[y,x]=32;x,y=a,b;w[y,x]=64 < 1286319746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that doesn't fix it) < 1286319796 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "golfed"? < 1286319845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KeyError: (4, 46) < 1286319845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286319849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: "made to be as short as possible" < 1286319851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugliness be damned < 1286319857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after code golf, the sport < 1286319864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://golf.shinh.org/ is the prime hub for that malarkey < 1286319900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh joy, it crashes no longer < 1286319902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the guys don't MOVE! < 1286319977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool i can walk into walls now, why. < 1286320002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: okay, remove that first for loop in M and write something that makes all the Qs on the visible board move closer to the guy. < 1286320004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is your task < 1286320017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Ilari> There are pairs of very good and very toxic mushrooms that look very near the same... < 1286320020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may want to play it a few times to figure out what all the variables are) < 1286320025 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1286320035 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great, my problem is that my pc is going nuts < 1286320043 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the gfx card is overheating < 1286320049 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see some buffer glitches < 1286320067 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also depends on geography, i hear some asian immigrants to norway get poisoned because one of our poisonous mushrooms look like an edible east asian one < 1286320077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/hear/read in the newspaper/ < 1286320079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: thankfully, vagrant runs even without much of a graphics card! < 1286320086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can it do text? Yes? YOU WIN!) < 1286320086 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*looks < 1286320087 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: post the current code < 1286320091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: okay < 1286320115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: http://pastie.org/1201784.txt?key=gvzfssnyfqjigfcfm92luq < 1286320116 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so your game is about eating < 1286320120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :partly. < 1286320122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286320149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: x,y is your position, X,Y is position of centre cell (infinite plane so we scroll), G is gold, N is # of turns, P is health that can be restored by potions, U is whether we're hallucinating or not < 1286320154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is satiation, L is HP < 1286320156 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1286320160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w is the gamefield indexed by pairs of y and x < 1286320160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1286320174 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :square root of minus gamefield < 1286320189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: lawl < 1286320193 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w contains numbers < 1286320197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: charcodes < 1286320198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii < 1286320200 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know but < 1286320205 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they reprazent? < 1286320209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(incidentally chanterelles are among the "safe" mushrooms in norway) < 1286320211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cells at that position < 1286320214 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 is me < 1286320217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286320220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is 64 in ascii < 1286320220 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286320224 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1286320230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286320230 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, what do they represent in game? < 1286320234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% is food < 1286320235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is potion < 1286320238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is gold < 1286320247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is inexplicable cube of unbreakable glass that you can't walk through < 1286320250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is a bad guy < 1286320257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ python < 1286320258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ord('x') < 1286320260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find the numbers < 1286320262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i do :P < 1286320264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :81 is Q, I know that < 1286320269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and space is just open space < 1286320306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: controls: vi keys to move, q to restore health from potions you've picked up (amount you can in parens after HP display), space waits < 1286320308 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know ord. < 1286320313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1286320316 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286320330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: and basically all the Qs have to do is move one step closer to the @ < 1286320343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it more fancy if you're that masochistic, but if you want to play with the monster code that's what i'd do < 1286320348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc they can only walk onto space < 1286320354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's no memory of what's underneath a monster < 1286320358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they'd inexplicably suck up gold < 1286320360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe that's a feature) < 1286320395 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286320419 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe numbers > 1000 should be amount of gold + 1000. < 1286320422 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ monster. < 1286320439 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have a countable amount of monsters < 1286320450 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a parametrized type!!!!!! < 1286320456 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!111 < 1286320460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i lost you after "yes" < 1286320503 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w[x,y] == A > 1000 -> there is a monster at x,y with A-1000 gold. < 1286320544 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know if there is a polynomial time or approximately polynomial time algorithm for finding an embedding of a graph in a plane that minimizes the number of edge intersections? < 1286320576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: oh i see < 1286320579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking rather < 1286320584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill monsters before they suck up all the gold ;P < 1286320585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1286320603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: pretty sure the condition to go to the boss will just be having a certain amount of gold and getting to a booth < 1286320604 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gold can be level < 1286320609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, interesting < 1286320618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: still, i think figuring out why the buggers won't move is a good first step < 1286320638 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sounds NP-complete-ish on first blush, but maybe not < 1286320708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: meanwhile I'll get rid of the M function, since we don't need it! hooray for obfuscation! < 1286320719 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it doesn't seem so obvious to me, but even if it is NP-complete in some parameters it may be polynomial in others. . . < 1286320745 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so this is what python looks like... < 1286320762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i think it's polynomial if the no. of edge intersections is bounded, no idea otherwise < 1286320776 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is w in relation to the center, or to the player? < 1286320799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it's global < 1286320804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because if there are < k intersections you can just try removing all k-edge sets in turn until you find one that makes the rest planar) < 1286320807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0,0) is the centre of everything, regardless of where you are, it's where you started < 1286320815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: if you go far enough you'll get to (3945783489579435,3459873459843759435) < 1286320822 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286320857 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but obviously this algorithm is exponential in k < 1286320877 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so, polynomial in number of vertices and numer of edge intersection? < 1286320877 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you point me to an algorithm? < 1286320882 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1286320890 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was about a 30 second lag in text entry < 1286320904 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, i typed all that before you gave me an alg < 1286320908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :D < 1286320954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm wait there's a subtlety here < 1286320977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding an edge it may have to intersect _several_ others < 1286321002 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but if you start at 1 and work your way up to k, you'll find that case first... < 1286321022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm right < 1286321032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1286321062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok if you have < k intersections you of course must have < k edges forcing them, so yeah < 1286321159 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which brings an interesting question: what's the maximum number of intersections an n node graph can contain? < 1286321181 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming that said graph is drawn in a minimal intersection way) < 1286321198 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka, what's the fewest number of intersections the complete graph can contain < 1286321228 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(simple graphs only question) < 1286321261 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1286321282 0 :Mathnerd314_!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286321289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh wait there's another subtlety - removing an edge, then an arbitrary planar embedding of the rest may not be what gives minimal intersections when you add the edge back in < 1286321292 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, seems like it'll end up being O(n) anyway < 1286321297 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286321297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be more serious < 1286321310 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1286321314 0 :Mathnerd314_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1286321363 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286321368 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it may be that no planar embedding of the rest will yield a minimizer < 1286321388 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in fact one needs to find a planar embedding when two edges are removed or something < 1286321391 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if it is NP-complete in some parameters it may be polynomial in others" < 1286321404 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: oh right even that < 1286321406 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean? < 1286321465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: basically that the restricted problem of looking _just_ at < k edge intersecting graphs may be polynomial to decide for a fixed k even if it is exponential in k < 1286321472 0 :zeotrope!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1128734150.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1286321490 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what oerjan said faster than i could < 1286321513 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can bound some parameter and what remains is polynomially solvable < 1286321516 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, parameter being # of intersecting edges. ok < 1286321570 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: for example i recall that the problem of deciding whether one graph is isomorphic to a subgraph of another is NP-complete, but if the smaller graph is _fixed_ (or bounded in size) then it's a polynomial problem < 1286321595 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the larger graph < 1286321599 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, obviously so < 1286321643 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you know there is a polynomial time algorithm for unifying graphs on the same number of nodes/edges < 1286321643 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: just so you know, you've been doing it in the wrong place. < 1286321660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: oh. goody. < 1286321665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: have you fixed it? :P < 1286321684 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the bedroom is the wrong place. next time try it in the library. < 1286321718 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so spaces are nothing? < 1286321721 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or zeros? < 1286321726 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(look out for Col. Mustard's lead pipe. you never know where he'll stick it.) < 1286321731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: both :P < 1286321735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1286321738 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um on a _fixed_ number of nodes/edges. unifying with the same but arbitrary is the graph isomorphism problem which is not known to be P (and is one of the most famous problems in NP to be neither known P or NP-complete) < 1286321738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: zeroes are uninitialised things < 1286321743 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will get initialised when they scroll into view < 1286321748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no problem with assigning to them < 1286321751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces are open space < 1286321761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a zero could be anything, you just don't know until you move so that it's in view < 1286321765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously we can't calculate infinite cells < 1286321774 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah yeah yeah, i know what i meant < 1286321806 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, about convincing my dad: When I suggested that this was my normal weight, he said something along the lines of "Maybe. Some people are like that" or something to that effect < 1286321866 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular if the smaller fixed graph has k nodes, there is a trivial n^k*k! alg. for subgraph isomorphism < 1286321870 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i meant by obvious < 1286321931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286321942 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway, we still don't even know if there's a solution for the original problem with edge intersections bounded < 1286321948 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the tubes know < 1286322095 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i made them go to the center. :p < 1286322097 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay apparently this is a really really difficult question < 1286322138 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eat through walls :p < 1286322184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yeah you might want to check that it ==32 or ==0 < 1286322193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: also if you can do that, just s/0,0/x,y/ (or maybe y,x) < 1286322199 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1286322207 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yea < 1286322209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: or if you want it to eat items !=whatever '#' is :P < 1286322214 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'd imagine graph drawing software would find such an algorithm useful if it existed < 1286322230 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1286322241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe that was how you thought of it?) < 1286322301 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is every $ worth the same? < 1286322316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no < 1286322324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if c==36:G+=randint(5,50) < 1286322340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly this is not determined until you hit it. totally quantum maan < 1286322347 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just gonna / for that < 1286322347 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of economy is that < 1286322353 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you were faster < 1286322359 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286322360 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the quantum economy!!!!!! < 1286322407 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i thought of it in the context of the wire-crossing problem. what if the strong hypothesis turns out to be true for some definition of "state"? then, the next obvious question would be "what's the minimum number of crossings required?" < 1286322468 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so i immediately asked "well, how do we even check the number of crossings required for simple machines we already have state diagrams for?" < 1286322532 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought it must be a very hard problem, since there is a game about it (gPlanarity) < 1286322558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intuition on the wire-crossing problem is sort of based on the fact that the 3-coloring problem is NP-complete even for planar graphs. < 1286322594 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you intuit that the strong hypothesis holds? < 1286322612 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think means you very easily can get full computational power without wire-crossing < 1286322619 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286322639 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i agree < 1286322651 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a lot of reasons < 1286322659 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a interesting one too < 1286322697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I will give you $947595486749567945698456 in exchange for your code. < 1286322710 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT DONE YET < 1286322763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I hope you are omitting spaces! < 1286322771 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: hint, that's zimbabwean dollars < 1286322783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And another set of hardsubs bites the dust. < 1286322802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :headache vomit bleargh < 1286322816 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other reason i thought of it is exactly what you think: In fizzie's grasp language, programs are graphs, and they might be nonplanar. ais523 wants underlambda to be able to compile to any language, and so it would benefit from the ability to have output grasp programs have as few edge crossings as possible. < 1286322838 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so they are more human readable) < 1286322866 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: found something maybe relevant < 1286322872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More generally, for any fixed constant k, it is possible to recognize in linear time the k-apex graphs, the graphs in which the removal of some carefully-chosen set of at most k vertices leads to a planar graph.[6] If k is variable, however, the problem is NP-complete." < 1286322880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apex_graph < 1286322897 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'd take that much in ZWD, if it still existed. that's actually an appreciable amount of money despite hyperinflation. < 1286322926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you'd better use it fast < 1286322974 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually bid on a 20trillion ZWD on ebay once < 1286322977 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't win tho < 1286322993 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear they aren't very high quality bills. just paper. < 1286323024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i imagine the second sentence strongly suggests that your problem is NP-complete for variable k too < 1286323031 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this apex graph thing implies that the general problem is probably NP-complete, but it still doesn't answer the fixed k question < 1286323033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er last < 1286323041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hates hardcoded subs. < 1286323047 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99 < 1286323057 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286323063 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am coding ai < 1286323064 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shh < 1286323065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :koed :| < 1286323069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha wat < 1286323075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you gimme your code before-ai too just in case it develops sentience < 1286323076 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOTALLY < 1286323081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want sentience < 1286323083 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will be swooped < 1286323086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: also there are no attacks yet... < 1286323086 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is sentient already < 1286323111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but is it _sapient_ < 1286323118 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :important distinction < 1286323132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1286323140 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt it is even sentient < 1286323153 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but: is sapience possible without sentience? < 1286323165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's all good and well with an AI complaining of pain in its diodes, but that's not the same as intelligence < 1286323173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: restate that without using the words sapience and sentience < 1286323216 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is wisdom/intelligence impossible without the capacity to process sensation/input? < 1286323232 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i inverted the question too... < 1286323241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that a bit weak definition of sentient < 1286323248 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_any_ computer would qualify < 1286323252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's a rubbish replacement, but: yes, it is impossible < 1286323253 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i chose a weak definition on purpose < 1286323270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well any non-broken one) < 1286323297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this reminds me of _another_ H2G2 quote < 1286323325 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it highlights the distinction well: alise says it's impossible for something to be sapient without doing something so simple every computer already qualifies as being able to do ti < 1286323446 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, i like to believe 1) computers _are_ sentient and 2) sentience is not necessarily a prerequisite for sapience, just as I/O is not a prerequisite for TCness < 1286323485 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the coords are w[y,x]? < 1286323493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yes. can i have the code as it is now? i have to go < 1286323502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: computers are not sentient. < 1286323504 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1286323515 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: be patient. he can always give you the code tomorrow. < 1286323516 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a sec < 1286323533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i did not ask you < 1286323540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to look at it before i go < 1286323573 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok uploadink < 1286323586 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i didn't ask you either < 1286323630 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super computer which was so amazingly intelligent that even before the data banks had been connected up it had started from I think therefore I am and got as far as the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn it off." < 1286323633 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sentience is a very poorly defined thing out there in the real world, so I chose a meaning for it that at least has some measure of testableness to it < 1286323662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was damn hard to find exactly) < 1286323679 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an impressive computer inded < 1286323723 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1201911.txt?key=2qq4jgnuxzulqebaa8la < 1286323758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: dude, you have all these unnecessary spaces! :| < 1286323771 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's to confuse you < 1286323785 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you think.. < 1286323794 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gee, that guy is writing well-formatted code." < 1286323805 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you look at this. ((B-11+o(1,11-B))*(1-2*(r(0,10)/10))),(A-40+o(1,40-A)*(1-2*(r(0,10)/10))) < 1286323816 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the whole of the monster AI < 1286323832 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know how they made it so smart? ... pair programming < 1286323844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: what the hell does it do? < 1286323853 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1286323858 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no they used the FULL POWER OF XP! < 1286323887 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: there's no telling. < 1286323888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you not write to w directly? < 1286323914 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hasn't mom told you not to clobber data structures you're looping over? < 1286323943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not looping over it with a for loop < 1286323947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just iteration < 1286323948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's fine < 1286323953 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not < 1286323965 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you like your monsters to attain the speed of light < 1286323970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1286323976 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they're above you in the screen. < 1286323978 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286323986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will have to shorten it you understand >:) < 1286323991 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you should follow his lead and replace all your randints with r < 1286323996 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't happen < 1286323997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i will < 1286324037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w[v] > 9000: < 1286324039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god what < 1286324046 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahaha < 1286324053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: THERE IS NO CHARACTER 9000 < 1286324065 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286324068 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if it's over 9000? < 1286324071 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there will be characters OVER 9000. < 1286324076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: why < 1286324083 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i told you why. < 1286324088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you didn't < 1286324096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats alise -----### < 1286324096 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i did < 1286324101 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEME DETECTION ERROR < 1286324105 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except 9=1 < 1286324106 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:12 < cheater99> when they're above you in the screen. < 1286324112 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286324117 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shh quince < 1286324122 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's for gold monsters < 1286324124 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg unicode roguelike display < 1286324125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's in code < 1286324127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: what < 1286324129 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. G's < 1286324137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when are there Gs < 1286324138 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monsters carrying gold < 1286324143 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are G's. < 1286324157 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they lvl up with gold < 1286324166 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1286324171 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1286324174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise that still none of this tries to go near the player :D < 1286324175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was the idea < 1286324185 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have to stop running away < 1286324194 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise of course they'll be confused < 1286324224 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i think he wants monsters that behave exactly like DROD roaches < 1286324243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read that as DROP < 1286324253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any relation to drop bears... < 1286324253 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286324265 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a nice exception being generated somewhere < 1286324266 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oshit. oerjan is in meme mode < 1286324269 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that, i'm off to sleep < 1286324288 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and btw, something's still a bit fucked :D < 1286324293 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they jump around < 1286324297 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they haven't before < 1286324299 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird < 1286324317 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what's needed is a log window < 1286324345 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :log to the serial port < 1286324351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: naw < 1286324409 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone loves a log! < 1286324427 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's big, it's heavy, it's wood < 1286324432 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what rolls down stairs/ alone or in pairs/ rolls over your neighbors dog? < 1286324444 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found why they were fucked < 1286324452 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((B-11+o(1,11-B))*(1-2*(r(0,10)/10))),(A-40+o(1,40-A)*(1-2*(r(0,10)/10))) < 1286324457 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try this < 1286324584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the ai logic? < 1286324646 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm reading that right, it just moves closer by a random amount random speed probability thing < 1286324648 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the ai logic < 1286324653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperparainconsistent antiintuitive metapredicate illogic < 1286324666 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no ai logic other than what i have posted < 1286324670 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that line < 1286324699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain it :P < 1286324713 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: NO < 1286324737 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's not even esoteric < 1286324741 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's just arithmetic -_- < 1286324743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: YES and i agree < 1286324747 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: pls try harder < 1286324747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yes but i'm tired < 1286324750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a headache < 1286324754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one of my keys broke < 1286324756 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well leave it for tomorrow :p < 1286324759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i forgot what the functions are < 1286324764 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll enjoy it tomorrow < 1286324769 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of having it given to you today < 1286324779 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: start by expanding r to randint and o to copysign < 1286324828 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are chasing the player now < 1286324829 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286324832 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1286324832 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its curry-howard isomorphism can only be expressed in extended Malbolge < 1286324834 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to implement G's < 1286324948 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i'm not actually trying this game, but the player is always at the center, right? < 1286324949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i approve not of your fork ;) < 1286324954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no. < 1286324955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight bye. < 1286324956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286324960 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1286324986 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers more < 1286325076 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i don't know what X and Y are supposed to be < 1286325116 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the current location on the map of the screen top left? < 1286325197 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks right. so then you're looping over the visible screen, and when you find... < 1286325356 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Q? < 1286325365 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monster? < 1286325760 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and moves it randomly to the left or right, up or down each with probability 1/4 iirtc < 1286325765 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286326021 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286326090 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286326208 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/gaqwdbng4srklx1adb2o6g < 1286326211 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there u go < 1286326299 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been factored in, i can only assume they give chase now :D < 1286326333 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/been/seeing as have x and y have been/ < 1286326359 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lagsauce :/ < 1286326364 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286326367 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lag? < 1286326368 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what? < 1286326597 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copysign, huh < 1286326627 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286326713 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1286326914 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also known as o( , ) < 1286327082 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286327307 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286328257 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :WobblingZuu < 1286328310 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286328315 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi everyone < 1286328359 0 :WobblingZuu!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Zuu < 1286328408 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286328931 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286329366 0 :aschueler!~alec@host86-142-137-25.range86-142.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286329766 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286330379 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286330692 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286330742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do Just test <- Right Nothing; return "hm" < 1286330742 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1286330743 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Show.Show a' < 1286330743 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a... < 1286330768 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do Just test <- Right Nothing; return "hm" :: Either String String < 1286330769 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left "Pattern match failure in do expression at <interactive>:1:136-139" < 1286331232 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286331859 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@97-118-191-235.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286332213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* We're really getting down to needing desperate measures to force IPv6 transitioning. < 1286332254 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ipv4 rapebot. < 1286332284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like a major IXP threatening to drop people who don't dual-stack. < 1286332294 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IXP? < 1286332303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Exchange Point. < 1286332305 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Internet eXchange Point? < 1286332306 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1286332308 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1286332310 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet Extermination Protocol < 1286332335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, where there's tons of peering. < 1286332355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's probably where the CIA peers over our shoulders < 1286332367 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ba-dum ching* < 1286332527 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ipv4 rapebot rolls in* < 1286332541 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<IPV4 Rapebot> VZZZZT DOES YOUR NETWORK SUPPORT IPV6? < 1286332567 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Random sysadmin> Uhh, no, not yet, we're planning on adding support once there's customer demand for it, b-- < 1286332607 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<IPV4 Rapebot> UNACCEPTABLE RESPONSE. ASSUME PROSTRATE POSITION. BEGINNING INSERTION PROCEDURE. < 1286332621 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286332715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The NSA actually does have black rooms in US IXPs. (citation: Hepting v. AT&T) < 1286332742 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hey puns can be based on facts too < 1286332751 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... IPv6 is bit lacking. There's no way to properly configure the last mile... < 1286332757 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*autoconfigure < 1286332772 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Whaddya mean? < 1286332811 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-77-77.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286332827 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DHCPv6: Support is poor. RA: Can't configure DNS (at least in most cases). < 1286332846 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, don't say RDNSS, I know about that. < 1286332864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly we should also have the IPV4 Rapebot go to work on router manufacturers. < 1286332910 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like OS manufacturers... < 1286332922 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which OSes don't support it? < 1286332966 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPV4 Rapebot has many skills. < 1286332968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from XP, which is *more deprecated than Windows 3.1 was when it came out*. < 1286332975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can rape anyone in need of rape. < 1286333012 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In spite of the fact that everyone uses it :P < 1286333034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, but Microsoft is about to pull the plug on security updates, and that's *all the support it is getting*. < 1286333036 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs some OS updates over IPv6... < 1286333092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, if it's that big of an issue, IPV4 Rapebot can go to work on Microsoft. < 1286333099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely they can add one more feature. < 1286333169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is the danger though that microsoft might reverse engineer Rapebot for their own purposes < 1286333181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They call it Clippy. < 1286333195 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's IANA depletion date estimates: 2011-04-20 and 2011-06-01. < 1286333250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on current uptake rates, we will be on IPv6 at about 3000. < 1286333424 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon the IPv6 migration plan in most places will look like this: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2009/12/our-disaster-recovery-plan.png < 1286333511 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*many < 1286333590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the hell aren't ISPs dual-stack *right now*? < 1286333739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, would you look at that. NTT in Japan (*the* phone company) has offered end-user IPv6 for 10 years now. < 1286333788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you can only move forward with IPv6 if you're willing to offer gigabit to the home. < 1286334111 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Offered? < 1286334116 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the customer have to know about it? < 1286334120 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1286334347 0 :iGO!iGO@62.169.118.135.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1286335498 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286336007 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286336195 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286336710 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1286337249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, trying to get Teredo running and failing somehow. < 1286337653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow, my NAT is untraversible. < 1286337684 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unNATural < 1286337686 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286337729 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow "Teredo" sounds better than "Shipworm". < 1286337747 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1286337756 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall be waiting on Sixxs, then. < 1286337771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't use Hurricane Electric because the router here *denies pings*. < 1286337891 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAT on what device? < 1286337911 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stepdad's router. < 1286337923 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And presumably no way to portforward protocol 41... < 1286337923 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's perversely paranoid about security. < 1286337945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though ironically it supports UPnP hole punching. < 1286337960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof that a computer science degree does not net you common sense. < 1286338111 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer that protocol 41 was forwarded to could then route the data for the rest... < 1286338135 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286338154 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286338221 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UPnP hole punching does TCP ports only. < 1286338236 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reboot < 1286338306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite convenient for BitTorrent, but not much else. < 1286338320 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And malware... < 1286338339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite true. < 1286338504 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286338505 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Teredo not working is probably means one or both of two things: 1) NAT is symmetric or 2) There's extensive port blocking. < 1286338722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I *doubt* it's symmetric NAT, so I'm going with UDP port blocking. < 1286339006 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-77-77.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286339241 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So definitely waiting on Sixxs. < 1286340332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motherfucking < 1286340335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :States now charging for use of public defenders. < 1286340457 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... Spammer fined $1,068,928,721.46 < 1286341068 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT ENOUGH < 1286341078 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We must steal his bones! < 1286341240 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you charge for a public defender? < 1286341250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmntbombdood: "Fuck the Supreme Court" < 1286341279 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286341306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically: by doing so, and nobody appeals it. < 1286341374 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286342726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night\ < 1286343011 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286343867 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286344398 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286344432 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286344683 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286345920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286346812 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286349560 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286349823 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286349847 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286349932 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286350554 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286351020 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286351130 0 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-161-133.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1286351554 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286351999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286352000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286352353 0 :zeotrope_!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1128734150.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1286354402 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egg foo young is so delicious omg < 1286354615 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egg wat? < 1286354828 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egg foo young < 1286354834 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its basically a chinese-style omelette < 1286354844 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you < 1286354848 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity the foo < 1286354852 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286354855 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the diff < 1286354857 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286354863 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: in theory, nothing < 1286354868 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, EVERYTHING < 1286354873 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :splain < 1286354919 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know exactly how to explain it < 1286354930 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This dish is prepared with beaten eggs and minced ham. From these dishes, Chinese chefs in the United States, at least as early as the 1930s, created a pancake filled with eggs, vegetables, and meat or seafood. < 1286354932 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1286354935 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explained in two sentences. < 1286354966 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just describes an omelette :| < 1286355004 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "pancake" but egg foo young doesnt have any bread < 1286355010 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so who knows what that writer was thinking < 1286355187 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pancakes usually don't have any bread in them. < 1286355216 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're a bread-like food < 1286355223 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doughy < 1286355231 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or batter-y, in this case < 1286355240 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but egg foo young doesnt have batter < 1286355428 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know a lot about this < 1286355440 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i just ate some! < 1286355440 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a batter specialist? < 1286355441 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1286355445 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the master batter < 1286355447 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :batterologist, in fact < 1286355453 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*rimshot* < 1286355493 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, theres a fine line between batter and scrambled egg < 1286355517 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1286355579 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, batter is flour, with some other stuff, potentially egg, and often a liquid like milk < 1286355590 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can easily imagine adding some milk to egg for flavoring or consistency < 1286355594 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some flour similarly < 1286355600 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in small quantities < 1286355609 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still its a kind of fried egg, right < 1286355624 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when does it stop being fried egg < 1286355630 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like my pancakes very eggy < 1286355652 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i used slightly more egg, it would almost be hard to call pancakes < 1286355664 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286355673 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when does it cross from egg stuff to batter stuff < 1286355674 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows! < 1286358857 0 :zeotrope_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286360275 0 :zeotrope!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1128734150.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1286360459 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1286361131 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286363305 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286365123 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to believe the reason xkcd has been sucking more than usual lately is that he's been spending most of his time working on this map...but given how much free time he must have, I'm not holding my breath. < 1286365463 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he have a job? < 1286365478 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does he just get internet money < 1286367226 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He lives off of xkcd < 1286367248 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this map is the sort of thing that would go great on a pictoblog! < 1286367352 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286368044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Vorpal: hi <-- yes? < 1286368897 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286369326 0 :iGO!iGO@62.169.118.135.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1286369588 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286369782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286370262 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286370312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286370385 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286371654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286372074 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286374858 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286375963 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286376675 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1286376872 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286379705 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286379718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bloody hell, my g key is still broken < 1286380024 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286380145 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at the map of Agora. < 1286380164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"COPPRO STRAIGHT" ← the very same? < 1286380575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1286380577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's new < 1286380587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disapprove of the modernisation >_> < 1286380748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DISAPPROVE OF MUTABILITY < 1286380844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has discovered that finite naturals in Coq are trickier than they first appear. < 1286380913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: FIX IT < 1286380918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: finite naturals? < 1286380923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean |Fin n| = n? < 1286380929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy < 1286380941 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said "tricky", not "hard". < 1286380956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defining them is easy enough. < 1286380964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inductive fin : nat -> Set := fz : forall n, fin n | fs : fin n -> fin (S n) < 1286380972 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also define a function fin : nat -> Set < 1286380975 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is sometimes more useful < 1286381001 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for that definition |fin n| = S n, but whatever. < 1286381050 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286381261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: erm, is it? < 1286381267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fin 0 = {fz : fin 0} < 1286381273 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1286381275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fin 1 = {fz : fin 1, fs fz : fin 1} < 1286381281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's irrelevant, though. < 1286381282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286381287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inductive fin : nat -> Set := fz : forall n, fin (S n) | fs : fin n -> fin (S n) < 1286381290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it's done, I forgot < 1286381307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: how goes the AI :P < 1286381472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater is writing an AI? < 1286381499 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: last i saw it, it was http://pastie.org/private/gaqwdbng4srklx1adb2o6g < 1286381531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: huh, did clog go out? < 1286381533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's no in the logs < 1286381536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not < 1286381552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**not < 1286381556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disapprove of his silly fork ;) < 1286381584 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I AM CLOG NOW < 1286381588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although r = randint is cool < 1286381592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Q('Yum! That was delicious.');L+=int(not r(0,2)and r(5,10)) < 1286381599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : s.addch(B-Y,A-X,choice(T)if U and not r(0,2)else w[v]) < 1286381613 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is such an ick language for golf < 1286381618 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those spaces! < 1286381629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's why you do evil things! < 1286381637 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like lambda abuse? < 1286381642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : s.addstr(22,0,'_'*80);C('$:%-17s T:%-17s S:%-17s HP:%-3s (%s)'%(G,N,S,L,P));s.move(y-Y+11,x-X+40) < 1286381650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T=[32]*1000+[36,81]*5+[37]*3+[35]*50+[33] < 1286381656 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: your code is almost READABLE < 1286381656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elif k=='q'and L and L+20<301: < 1286381656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=min(L,20);L+=q;P=max(P-q,0);D() < 1286381671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: okay then, tell me what this does < 1286381673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : s.addch(B-Y,A-X,choice(T)if U and not r(0,2)else w[v]) < 1286381689 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallu? < 1286381697 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love in inconsistent spacing. < 1286381699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I must have told you >__> < 1286381699 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1286381712 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you di'nt :) < 1286381723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not r(0,n-1)" for a 1 in n chance is awesome, though < 1286381729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, i might define a function for that < 1286381764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u=lambda n:not r(0,n) < 1286381770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u(n) is 1 in (n+1) chance < 1286382002 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286382621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, my monsters move even when it isn't their turn. < 1286382962 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does lambdabot keep messages for us, too? < 1286382968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286382977 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<frownie> < 1286383010 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose we could save them as text files in HackEgo, but, notification. < 1286383072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ wc -c vagrant.py < 1286383072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1408 vagrant.py < 1286383077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing how much you can do in so little code, isn't it? < 1286383122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: does hallu normally allow you to hallucinate yourself as being floor in roguelikes? < 1286383123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIDN'T THINK SO < 1286383133 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286383156 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286383176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can golf a shorter one by cheating. < 1286383183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, by executing mine? :P < 1286383193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, NetHack. < 1286383219 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A full-featured roguelike in precisely 7 bytes of shell script! < 1286383238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming appropriate libraries are installed.) < 1286383268 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286383269 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the nethack "library" < 1286383404 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This tells something about IPv6 deployment status: http://www.mrp.net/IPv6_Survey.html (someone's comment "Un.. fucking.. believable."). Short summary: MAJOR FAIL. < 1286383420 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, perfectly reasonable. < 1286383435 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's available for all major systems. < 1286383475 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I get errors when linking to it < 1286383496 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, well, you do with that kind of narrow-minded thinking. < 1286383509 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who says library interfaces have to be through linking? < 1286383526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I ALSO CANNOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO BORROW BOOKS FROM IT < 1286383794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if k in'hyb':a-=1 < 1286383794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if k in'jbn':b+=1 < 1286383794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if k in'kyu':b-=1 < 1286383794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if k in'lun':a+=1 < 1286383795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-------_> < 1286383798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*--------__> < 1286383799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*----------> < 1286383800 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286383801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a+=(k in'lun')-(k in'hyb');b+=(k in'jbn')-(k in'kyu') < 1286383807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD THE CRAZY BOOLEAN ARITHMETIC < 1286383809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD IT < 1286383834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "False" too long? < 1286383839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe it or not, that actually works. < 1286383841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hum? < 1286383844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1286383846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore. < 1286383849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any explicit booleans there. < 1286383852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even in the old version/ < 1286383854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*version. < 1286383865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case a and b are the new x and y we're moving to, and k is the key. < 1286383866 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was 'k' in 'lun' < 1286383871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :P < 1286383875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 0 would work instead of False. < 1286383880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hence a pointless way of writing "False". < 1286383884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This implements hjkl cardinals, and yubn diagonals. < 1286383890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In two arithmetic statements! Fuck yeah! < 1286383899 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1286384389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT THE QS BREED < 1286384424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Maybe I should add message-passing to fungot, then. < 1286384424 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the shit-talking between rounds has to stop. i can't come home and kill a spider. why don't you let us in the sega booth soon. does it have any kryptonite? < 1286384464 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: The Sega booth is full of kryptonite, in fact. Stop quoting entire sentences verbatim, you silly bot. < 1286384464 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i didn't know where else to go. < 1286384617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1286384617 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa* speeches ss wp youtube < 1286384625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, quoting it will just be quoting verbatim then :) < 1286384906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to retrain that model at some point. < 1286385410 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286385503 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effing rewrite tactic. < 1286385510 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewrite thing at 2. < 1286385520 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES THIS NOT WORK < 1286385577 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that page is descriptive of IPv6, the IPv6 deployment plan in many organizations is probably looking like the disaster recovery plan at Dilbert's work... < 1286385643 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286385663 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1286385663 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286385663 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1286385678 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286385689 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1286385693 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen my new version < 1286385701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: i saw the one cpressey linked < 1286385707 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that today < 1286385710 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*soon look like < 1286385722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yours is broken btw, monsters move even when it's not a turn < 1286385734 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's the one < 1286385748 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what do you mean? < 1286385763 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not a turn"? < 1286385767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash into a wall < 1286385769 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see monsters move < 1286385788 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah duh, why are you doing M() if bashing into a wall? < 1286385799 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have a return at the very top for that < 1286385803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because M() handles it < 1286385805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no M() any more, also < 1286385806 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286385808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're working on an older version < 1286385813 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fix it < 1286385823 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nice piece of code i added < 1286385826 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has fuzzy ai! < 1286385834 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monsters can even walk around obstacles! < 1286385837 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: ... "plan"? < 1286385839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've almost written my own >_> < 1286385847 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: JUST FILE A TICKET < 1286385848 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello collaboration < 1286385851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yours was part of an older version) < 1286385852 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286385855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: yeah well i stole some of your code < 1286385855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286385861 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1286385865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual loop < 1286385879 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the AI code in it? < 1286385895 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with r()? < 1286385901 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and o() < 1286385903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i stole r() < 1286385906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not o < 1286385909 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not o? < 1286385914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual logic i couldn't understand so i couldn't make it run to me :) < 1286385917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i didn't need o < 1286385926 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you not understand it? < 1286385930 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very simple < 1286385963 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe "at" doesn't bother with nesting... < 1286385973 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes the position of the cell and the position of the player, calculates the vector between them, and then unitarizes that vector < 1286385979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: well rather i didn't bother to < 1286385983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>__> < 1286385995 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, it randomly flips some of the coordinates at a small probability < 1286385997 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so simple < 1286385999 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a one-liner < 1286386007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: last i saw, it actually moves to (0,0) < 1286386015 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hadn't looked at the new one < 1286386016 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nicer < 1286386026 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i made the line mirror-symmetric (kinda..) < 1286386062 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That code is a real at's nest. < 1286386090 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why malbolge is in the topic < 1286386091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swatpans cpressey --==\#/ < 1286386095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: the new one had some gold monster stuff which i wasn't sure i approved of >_> < 1286386104 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: of course you approve of it < 1286386109 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: think about it, monsters lvling up < 1286386123 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: this means you have to kill monsters quickly otherwise they'll level up too far < 1286386126 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like in osmos < 1286386127 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1286386132 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes you think hard < 1286386132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in Super Lotsa Added Stuff Vagrant < 1286386136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slasv < 1286386140 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286386162 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1286386170 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have made that switchable instead < 1286386172 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff: Lots Added to Vagrant. < 1286386175 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slav. < 1286386179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's golfed code!! < 1286386183 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286386191 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it gets parametrized it's nicer < 1286386218 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golf maintainability. < 1286386276 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i feel rejected < 1286386278 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::, < 1286386307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → stuff < 1286386329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: you don't understand what golfing is :P < 1286386340 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??????????? < 1286386345 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minifying < 1286386374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: i probably will add them < 1286386388 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't be my code then < 1286386390 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;,< < 1286386465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah! :P < 1286386467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your code has spacse < 1286386468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*spaces < 1286386478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code has breeding Qs < 1286386479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see why < 1286386484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : r,i,t,u=map(w.get,[(f,e),(d,e),(f,c),(d,c)]) < 1286386484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if r==32:q[f,e]=81 < 1286386484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if i==32:q[d,e]=81 < 1286386484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if t==32:q[f,c]=81 < 1286386484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else:q[d,c]=81 < 1286386487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be elif < 1286386488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1286386505 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my code doesn't have spaces in the new version < 1286386517 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just proof of concept OK????????????//////////// < 1286386524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll consider it >_________________________> < 1286386553 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :; ; < 1286386685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow now the monsters run away from me < 1286386689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come back! < 1286386746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i need a goto < 1286386844 0 :Wamanuz4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286386848 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286386871 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286386929 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286387208 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should parameterize monster motion too. some come towards you, some run away, and some wander aimlessly < 1286387225 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you obviously hadn't seen the data structure < 1286387248 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would take more code but be cooler is if they came toward you only if you've been sitting still too long, like a cat sneaking up on you. < 1286387267 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you go towards them, they run away < 1286387286 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a room full of those! < 1286387323 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if they have camoflauge! and only appear when they move! < 1286387325 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easily imagined. < 1286387428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no rooms < 1286387432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, apart from emergent ones. < 1286387433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286387459 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's an idea... < 1286387468 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monsters as walls < 1286387501 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they strive to stay close to one another, and only move if they can get closer to the player without breaking formation, or if they aren't in formation yet. < 1286387510 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the walls literally close in! < 1286387514 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeoo < 1286388432 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286388705 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286388969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cpressey> Does lambdabot keep messages for us, too? < 1286388973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to < 1286388981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help tell < 1286388981 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell <nick> <message>. When <nick> shows activity, tell them <message>. < 1286389047 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey Sure it does! < 1286389048 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1286389100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also MemoServ < 1286389394 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286390213 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-52-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286390371 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286390656 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: hi there < 1286390679 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg, we have a lambdabot now? < 1286390683 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1286390684 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286390687 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botslap < 1286390688 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1286390722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: erm why didn't it tell you :( < 1286390775 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix$(<$>)<$>(:)<*>((<$>((:[{- thor's mother -}])<$>))(=<<)<$>(*)<$>(*2))$1 < 1286390776 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768,65536,131072,... < 1286390778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: try saying something without lambdabot: in front < 1286390787 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286390787 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1286390791 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286390800 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1286390800 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 29m 13s ago: Sure it does! < 1286390834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wtf < 1286390877 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wrote that :D < 1286390928 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the thor's mother comment though, I think it started out with just (:[]) in the middle... a few people've edited the wiki page afterwards < 1286391039 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286391092 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, the first version on that wiki page says {- OH MY GOD IT'S A COMMENT!!! -} instead, that'd be from me then < 1286391213 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t [] < 1286391214 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : <no location info>: parse error on input `:' < 1286391243 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [] < 1286391244 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. [a] < 1286391274 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the > is only for evaluating expressions < 1286391292 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1286391313 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1286391313 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286391313 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1286391333 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can probably enter ill-typed expressions and use the error message to see the type if you want to :D < 1286391357 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that to get fixities < 1286391363 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0+) < 1286391364 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `GHC.Num.+' [infixl 6] of a section < 1286391364 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower prece... < 1286391377 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2>3] < 1286391378 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Bool.Bool) < 1286391378 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the literal `1'... < 1286391405 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286391425 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose 2<3 would have been a nicer fake typo < 1286391440 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on my AMERICAN keyboard) < 1286391445 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves a little flag < 1286391667 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMERICAN KEYBOARD OF JESUS < 1286391679 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the *keyboard* or the *layout* that's american? < 1286391698 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point. the keyboard itself is probably chinese. < 1286391709 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many Model M's are made in ireland iirc < 1286391724 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say this only on the basis of odds. < 1286391754 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peeks under < 1286391766 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, made in china. < 1286391798 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But everything in America is made in China. < 1286391807 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :communist keyboard! < 1286391812 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's why i liked those odds. < 1286391812 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's as American as it can be. < 1286391905 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t IO Int < 1286391906 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `IO' < 1286391906 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Int' < 1286391948 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t getChar < 1286391949 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO Char < 1286392086 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t undefined < 1286392087 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. a < 1286392113 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... whence the lambdabot? < 1286392126 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Just undefined < 1286392127 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. Maybe a < 1286392131 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've seen her in here before < 1286392132 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, from whence? < 1286392144 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: maybe :) < 1286392148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: used to < 1286392156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got her back < 1286392214 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"From whence has a strong literary precedent, appearing in Shakespeare and the King James Bible as well as in the writings of numerous Victorian-era writers. In recent times, however, it has been criticized as redundant by usage commentators." < 1286392248 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn those usage commentators < 1286392275 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1286392275 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t >=> < 1286392276 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `>=>' < 1286392281 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From whence do thy usage commentators come, olsner? < 1286392282 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t '>=>' < 1286392283 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at character '=' < 1286392288 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>=>) < 1286392289 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *) b c. (Monad m) => (a -> m b) -> (b -> m c) -> a -> m c < 1286392298 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *whence, the from is redundant :P < 1286392304 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ">=>" -- for completeness < 1286392305 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Char] < 1286392315 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is clearly the usage commentator < 1286392319 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Your face is redundant, but you don't see me complaining. < 1286392325 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes mashed commentaters < 1286392336 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, "* -> *"? that's a new one on me < 1286392364 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This function does some shit" < 1286392367 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's a kind < 1286392371 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286392402 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very simplified, '*' is any normal type < 1286392415 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also #, ## and ? < 1286392443 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in ghc anyway) < 1286392443 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so * -> * is the kind of all one-argument functions? < 1286392450 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "one argument" pfft < 1286392455 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-argument type constructors < 1286392463 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286392510 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say constructors, but it's the type constructor that has a kind, yeah < 1286392582 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/IntermediateTypes has a neat little ascii diagram of the kinds < 1286392667 0 :aschueler!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286392724 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructors also have kinds, but I think they'd all just be * < 1286392933 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-108-97.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286393008 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail(recursion). < 1286393021 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-70-79.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286393021 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286393021 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286393199 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286393358 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1286394291 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@32.166.111.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286394337 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. Showing off #esoteric again < 1286394338 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T=tail(recursion(T)). < 1286394355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Oh no, must we be amusing now? < 1286394373 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: amuse! amuse! < 1286394375 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even see SgeoN1 when I typed that. Don't interpret it as an attempt to be amusing. < 1286394405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Quick, say something amusing! < 1286394405 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fnord/ fnord/ fnord/ fnord. < 1286394413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286394416 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1286394431 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: see - utterly boring. < 1286394482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're such a disappointment sometimes. < 1286394483 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i can do with a bagpipe?) for fnord macros and expansion.) < 1286394866 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No longer showing off #esoteric < 1286394885 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phew* < 1286394903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: You should warn us in advance that we'd clean the channel up a bit, be more presentable. < 1286394932 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cogito ergo dei < 1286394993 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi < 1286394996 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: wtf < 1286395006 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286395007 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1286395017 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: that doesn't even have a verb! < 1286395026 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it does < 1286395031 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes no sense < 1286395046 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord is the verb < 1286395048 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor yorick. < 1286395052 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would need at least two verbs < 1286395076 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe latin doesn't need all the redundant verbs < 1286395147 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but there's nothing redundant anything < 1286395150 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about* < 1286395165 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cogito ergo dei" <-- it lacks a second verb and puts a noun instead :/ < 1286395202 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, then it's just missing a copula, right? do you *really* need to put that down every time? < 1286395277 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that help? < 1286395314 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to get laid < 1286395427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would *that* help? < 1286395440 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how *would* that help? < 1286395506 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would that *help*? < 1286395514 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*How* would that help? < 1286395527 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how* would *that* help? < 1286395535 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how *would* that *help* < 1286395542 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286395553 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION c-c-combo breaker! < 1286395557 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha u loze. < 1286395560 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, hud that yelp. < 1286395576 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: true, but how would *that* help? :) < 1286395631 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let's just say that obviously *someone* is in need of a latin grammar lesson < 1286395651 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it *might* just be me :/ < 1286396121 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286396155 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches the waves as they propagate around his abdomen < 1286396248 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286396430 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: hi < 1286396434 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how are yoouuu < 1286397170 0 :aschueler!~alec@host81-156-147-242.range81-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286397393 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of edible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_dormouse < 1286397462 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was probably a long time ago you were discussing that < 1286397508 0 :aschueler!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286397531 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286397594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Coq MOCK me? < 1286397697 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and why does Moq COCK you? < 1286397710 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no sense though < 1286397885 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to rewrite an expression, and it refuses to do so for no obvious reason. < 1286398285 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww poor edible dormice < 1286398297 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :named after their edibility < 1286398330 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much unlike the great tortoises that were so edible no-one bothered to give them a proper name < 1286398342 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a couple of hundred years anyway < 1286398872 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stephen Wolfram's ego vs. that of the Apprentice candidates. < 1286398878 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is bigger? < 1286398884 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one way to find out! < 1286398900 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably like comparing infinities < 1286398905 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIGHT < 1286398924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, a TV Burp fight is the standard mechanism of comparing infinities. < 1286398931 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, which infinity has the largest cardinality < 1286398958 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I like |N|, and I like |R|. But which is bigger? There's only one way to find out! FIGHT! < 1286399157 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how was it this infinity thing worked again? R can burp at least |N| for every |N|, and thus it's bigger? < 1286399206 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have the solution for your Coq problem. < 1286399220 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOUBLE REWRITE!!! < 1286399237 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, no... < 1286399248 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WxJECOFg8w < 1286399249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1286399261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: p, sure he knows < 1286399264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*p. < 1286399299 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DABBURU KOMPAIRU < 1286399360 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DABBURU REARAITU < 1286399615 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck do you use the triplet mode on a tb 303 < 1286399681 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, anyway, my problem is basically that I can't right-rewrite then left-rewrite. < 1286399700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey doesn't know Coq < 1286399705 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this. < 1286399861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back, finally < 1286399866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i am just fine thank you < 1286399888 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well, because i am not < 1286399892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1286399894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i just say that vagrant's code is awesome < 1286399896 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't figure out how to program this thing < 1286399902 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should download the manual < 1286399907 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the fucking intercal manual < 1286399912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try smiling < 1286399915 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it doesn't make sense < 1286399918 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm smiling < 1286399918 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1286399944 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives alise a hug for lightening up his day. < 1286399950 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1286399952 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manual sucks < 1286399978 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what? < 1286399980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vagrant? < 1286400006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286400010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this thing cheater99 is using < 1286400037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you set a global exception handler in python? < 1286400112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286400114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys.excepthook < 1286400217 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's he using? < 1286400280 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: just put everything in a try/catch. < 1286400301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no, that'd fuck up the indentation < 1286400303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have solved it < 1286400308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1286400313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys < 1286400313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def hook(t,v,b):endwin();sys.__excepthook__(t,v,b) < 1286400314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys.excepthook=hook < 1286400314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :execfile('vagrant.py') < 1286400314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1286400315 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a drum machine, I gather? < 1286400317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is debug.py < 1286400330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it is evil to use endwin like that without importing it myself but I DON'T CARE < 1286400335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what, Coq? < 1286400344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286400356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cheater99's thing? < 1286400358 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, Coq is a theorem prover. < 1286400391 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confusing drum machines and theorem provers. Just another wonderful service provided by your local #esoteric. < 1286400405 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not local exactly. < 1286400448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, drum machine as in machine which makes drum noises? < 1286400472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY cheater99 DEBUG MY AI CODE :P < 1286400489 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was called a TR-303... maybe this is another model < 1286400528 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TB-303? < 1286400548 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :new SGU is notably better than previous ep < 1286400582 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286400617 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGU is the Voyager of Stargate, yes? < 1286400619 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-224-53.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286400635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where Voyager is the Phantom Menace of Star Trek. < 1286400660 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286400748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, god, Randall Munroe hasn't rehashed Online Communities, has he? < 1286400785 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunch conversation indicates he has < 1286400884 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he has < 1286400963 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAD A GOOD IDEA ONCE AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT < 1286400968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: bah, Q with p=0 doesn't work :( < 1286401046 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's actually a bass synthesizer. < 1286401065 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: p=what? < 1286401073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q() function < 1286401078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :p is second parameter (wait for response or not) < 1286401082 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q() is just an echo < 1286401083 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it < 1286401083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q(foo), if done before D(), just gets wiped out < 1286401086 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1286401087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the status line < 1286401091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas, as it's a message function < 1286401092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should persist < 1286401096 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to fix it right now < 1286401118 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing about this thing is < 1286401121 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a built in sequencer < 1286401127 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's light and small and battery operated < 1286401136 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can take it with you to the toilet < 1286401140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: does your Q work?? < 1286401147 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1286401153 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286401161 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i abandoned the project after a frosty rejection from the core team < 1286401162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm mine is *seriously* fucked up < 1286401168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1286401168 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-| < 1286401172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed it < 1286401176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i was just joking y'know. < 1286401180 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286401186 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :</3 :( < 1286401193 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u brk my hrt < 1286401199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW THE FUCK DID THEY OBLITERATE EACH OTHER < 1286401199 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: let's golf chat < 1286401220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1286401224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wipe everyone out indiscriminately < 1286401229 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hw th fk dd thy obltr8 e/o < 1286401261 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you need the masking array, otherwise you're fuck'd < 1286401273 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, < 1286401287 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u nd d makin arry, or ur fkd < 1286401297 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*maskin < 1286401309 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Randy's pictoblog really needs to be made. < 1286401331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i have a masking array. < 1286401334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dood. < 1286401344 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know i'm a dood? < 1286401353 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could be a girl < 1286401354 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286401356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have managed to break even normal Q awesome. < 1286401356 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a boy < 1286401359 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else. < 1286401375 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dood applies regardless < 1286401410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW ARE THEY ALL FLOCKING TO THE CENTRE I SPECIFIED ME AS THE TARGET < 1286401418 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no one in this channel is a girl < 1286401425 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't happen. < 1286401437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: did, about four times IIRC < 1286401441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I worked it out once) < 1286401473 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whole 4?? < 1286401490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so that's what i did < 1286401491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1286401508 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At once or over the entire lifetime? < 1286401640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it works now < 1286401642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: lifetime < 1286401649 0 :aschueler!~alec@host81-156-147-242.range81-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286401664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how'd you come to that figure? < 1286401679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: counting all the females I know to have been in here < 1286401723 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, wtf at rerunning the map thing. It was quite nice first time, and redoing it could work, just not as a comic, maybe something to post on his blog or such < 1286401736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a comic, it's a picto-blo < 1286401737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blog < 1286401741 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286401753 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but I like the lifeboats marked in that picture < 1286401759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving digg and going for reddit < 1286401799 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286401890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's Digg, approximately? < 1286401916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a bit above IRC Isles < 1286401920 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ / / < 1286401923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises that "not r(0,2)" is longer than "r(0,2)==0", cries < 1286401924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it has ActiveWorlds on it. < 1286401935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Q('Yum! That was delicious.');L+=int(0==r(0,2)and r(5,10)) < 1286401938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess why the 0 comes first. < 1286401947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of the and. < 1286401959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yep :D so I can have the ) < 1286401962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can avoid a space < 1286401994 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O awesome! < 1286402095 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it's a minuscule appendix to Second Life. < 1286402102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if you can't find irc isles, it is next to usenet. < 1286402138 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks a bit big, tbh < 1286402154 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, where is second life? < 1286402155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usenet is slightly smaller than IRC on that map, but I've already found it. < 1286402183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, next to MMO Isle. < 1286402192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the Gulf of Lag. < 1286402196 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286402197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1286402209 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did you spot the invasion fleet btw? < 1286402214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not the same as the lifeboats) < 1286402224 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus, why is gmail so sluggish < 1286402252 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: females in here intentionally, or including those who wander in here for other reasons? < 1286402274 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no. < 1286402275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh and is "subspace" just a star trek reference, or some game? It is next to MMO Isle, opposite to second life < 1286402304 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286402308 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is not female???? < 1286402319 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh and golf your user messages. Q('Mm!') should suffice. < 1286402328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, don't know, Where's the fleet? < 1286402338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, next to google talk < 1286402345 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q('Gak!') for poison. < 1286402348 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, which is close to skype < 1286402364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, who is invading whom? < 1286402380 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't know < 1286402401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd assume Google Talk is the invader, but whatever. < 1286402437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: intentionally < 1286402441 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subspace seems to be a mumorpeger per Google < 1286402441 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what is "kayne's isle of sadness", in whaler sound next to google talk < 1286402444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, no golfing messages :P < 1286402450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playable roguelike, tiny code. < 1286402454 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: btw < 1286402455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is typing from his replacement keyboard... < 1286402457 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, mumorpeger eh? *googles wtf that is* < 1286402458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite nice for a Logitech. < 1286402463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Slim" but not hopelessly so, and a nice tactile action. < 1286402463 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: have you ever done anything with uC's? < 1286402469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: expand uC < 1286402472 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: or vhdl? < 1286402473 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urban Dictionary: mumorpeger < 1286402473 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A different way to say MMORPG. (Massively multiplayer online role-playing game) < 1286402474 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286402485 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: microcontroller. < 1286402495 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: baudot < 1286402500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no, but sounds fun < 1286402514 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fpga could be fun 4 u < 1286402519 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's like gate arrays < 1286402523 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can modify themselves on the fly < 1286402528 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's an important part of the process < 1286402528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, what does uC stand for? I mean it doesn't really expand to microcontroller < 1286402533 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, game of life, in hardware < 1286402535 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1286402535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We know what FPGAs are. < 1286402536 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, µC would make some sort of sense < 1286402538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not uC < 1286402542 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: for certain values of "fly" < 1286402543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quick brown fox jumpwedover my bix sphynx of qwertz. < 1286402544 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, O.o < 1286402545 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: u suck < 1286402556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm? < 1286402562 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do tell us a method of typing mu easily. < 1286402569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, easy: altgr-m < 1286402584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1286402590 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that just makes Outlook pop up! < 1286402591 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AltGr is stupid, but anyway... < 1286402592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that will work on US international too < 1286402596 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you, gmail < 1286402599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not US < 1286402605 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what? < 1286402642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why is altgr stupid? < 1286402647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just ISO level 3 shift < 1286402659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just... illogical. < 1286402668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, okay, why is it illogical? < 1286402687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, they key bindings on it? To some extent yes. < 1286402691 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AG-m -> µ, AG-d → ð, AG-p → þ < 1286402694 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could repmap them < 1286402706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ð makes sense for icelandic iirc? < 1286402719 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the þ one *looks* similar < 1286402724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a p kind of < 1286402736 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: PowerShell < 1286402740 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and µ is pronounced "mu" starting with m < 1286402755 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, well, I don't know for windows, do tell me if you find how to type µ there < 1286402756 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I can't Alt+252 to get those gnarly chars < 1286402760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on linux so < 1286402762 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of PowerShell is that < 1286402771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AG-l → ł, AG-f → đ < 1286402773 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, "power(less)shell" :P < 1286402780 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCH WIT < 1286402818 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286402836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286402855 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286402871 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286402914 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can has 2001:1938:81:169::2 ! < 1286402949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like it... < 1286402961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters < 1286402982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1286402988 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can ping over IPv6... ::1 and 2001:1938:81:169::1. < 1286403030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the tunnel's up and... Nothing's being forwarded? < 1286403078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, sixxs? < 1286403087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1286403104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the ::1 and ::2 pattern was familiar < 1286403113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my IPv6 routing table seems to be set right. < 1286403122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, aiccu? < 1286403126 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1286403139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it was a PITA under gentoo < 1286403143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, works like a charm under arch < 1286403149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emerge aiccu;/etc/init.d/aiccu start < 1286403155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, can you read the text in the dark area on the youtube island? < 1286403163 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I can't figure out what it says < 1286403170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes but getting it actually working < 1286403171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1286403179 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, let me check old /etc stuff < 1286403183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional eyes to the rescue! < 1286403187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely running and I'm definitely getting IPv6 packets going through the link. < 1286403194 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from future import ipv6 < 1286403207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK Go bay? < 1286403208 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__, __, __ < 1286403211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not *routing* anything from there. < 1286403220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, msg? < 1286403259 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286403270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is one meant to use a laptop on a computer stand? < 1286403275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The screen is too small! < 1286403302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, how long will it be until ISPs actually start using IPv6? < 1286403344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few already do < 1286403377 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine's been doing native end-user v6 for at least three years now. < 1286403412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that annoy me: people who say "so-called" when they mean to indicate inaccuracy. < 1286403436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that annoy me: People who get annoyed by too many things. < 1286403445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flaw of this keyboard: The spacebar is curved! Why?! < 1286403453 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this so-called keyboard < 1286403482 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that annoy me: People who feel the need to get a sense of self-superiority by not complaining about things. < 1286403494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> OK Go bay? <-- hm, any clue what that refers to? < 1286403503 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The band? < 1286403511 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, eh, okay? < 1286403513 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1286403517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the Rube Goldberg video and the treadmills? < 1286403527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :von Neumann machine video. < 1286403530 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be done. < 1286403563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> Things that annoy me: People who feel the need to get a sense of self-superiority by not complaining about things. < 1286403571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto, but mentioning them all is really not required :p < 1286403589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I rate the probability that Vorpal knows who OK Go are as something like zero. < 1286403602 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rate it as less than zero. < 1286403612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if this is true, everything else is LESS THAN FALSE" < 1286403653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1286403655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv6. < 1286403667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv6, it's like IPv4 except now DNS is doubly required! < 1286403696 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, running DNS on localhost; not a big deal. < 1286403702 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOUBLE RESOLVE!!! < 1286403712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the rube goldberg machine video if anyone hasn't seen it, i hadn't: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w) < 1286403718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome. < 1286403720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, P(Vorpal knows about OK Go \/ the Pope's a Catholic) = 0 < 1286403780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because P(the Pope's a Catholic) = 0 < 1286404022 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286404112 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: link the dogs video too. it's my second favorite. < 1286404127 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he no longer has his magic hat < 1286404161 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION steals back the Pope's hat from cpressey < 1286404180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that one's awesome too (and has better music) < 1286404198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OK Go? Yeah, that's the video guys who make their own soundtrack, right?" < 1286404214 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought \/ was or < 1286404220 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm < 1286404236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1286404237 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's what alise's P(the Pope's a Catholic) = 0 is pointing out < 1286404248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that was just a random joke < 1286404280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHlJODYBLKs to satisfy quintopia < 1286404370 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are imported modules like dynamically scoped in Python? < 1286404453 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's not right < 1286404459 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupidest scope rules ever < 1286404471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches as his Mac does Game of Life < 1286404472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screensaver! < 1286404480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1286404532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoL is my Mac's screensaver. < 1286404556 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant @ cpressey < 1286404629 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: an example needs at least 3 files so is hard to give < 1286404669 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a and b both import common, and a changes common.foo and calls something in b, and the thing in b looks at common.foo, it sees the change that a made < 1286404684 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fine < 1286404690 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't always seem to happen < 1286404692 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used that to do project-global variables in PSOX >.> < 1286404694 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something else going on < 1286404745 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i bet it is < 1286404777 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you has a Mac? o.o < 1286404795 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make a generalized vant screensaver. < 1286404807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (1) yes, since 2006; (2) what's vant? < 1286404834 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clas of automata in which langton's ant falls < 1286404838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmf, this keyboard needs the numpad lobbing off, it's great though < 1286404857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cpressey> DOUBLE RESOLVE!!! <-- do you have the resolve required to implement this? < 1286404888 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHat's wrong with the numpad? < 1286404993 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's EEEVVVILLLL < 1286405023 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how can I get more nerd cred than having Life as my screensaver? < 1286405045 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like electricsheep, too, so changing it will need a good reason. < 1286405046 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machine? < 1286405047 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re py, i was confused by two modules with the same name in different packages. < 1286405051 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still worst scoping EVAR < 1286405078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have no screensaver on this box. < 1286405091 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Mersenne Search... < 1286405091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mac just runs a randomised Game of Life with one pixel per cell. < 1286405093 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how will you save your screen? < 1286405094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprisingly fast, too. < 1286405097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 100 gens/sec. < 1286405101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit less after a while; 95 or so. < 1286405105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starts at like 125. < 1286405139 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's silly < 1286405150 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be able to set the speed < 1286405166 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to run around 10000gens/sec... < 1286405170 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 hashlife < 1286405202 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: run GoL as your screensaver, 1 cell per pixel, with Caterpillar as the default pattern < 1286405207 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUPER AWESOME CRED < 1286405226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's 1680x1050 < 1286405230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a screensaver < 1286405232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be too fast < 1286405238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: < 1286405242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashlife is rubbish for viewing things interactively < 1286405249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since different areas are on different generations < 1286405277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh that's what i did wrong < 1286405287 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not rubbish for watching Caterpillar. Phantom_Hoover: if you do that, it should automatically scroll upwards to follow it. < 1286405307 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 1680x1050 is not quite enough to fit entire caterpillar sideways is it :/ < 1286405317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1286405327 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I saw one that cycled through a bunch of nerdly pursuits, including kite-and-dart tiling the screen < 1286405340 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more nerd crud than I can handle < 1286405344 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cred < 1286405357 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or *did* I...?) < 1286405423 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, another neat SS would be one where it zooms into a single random pixel on the last desktop/screen you had open when it kicked it, and that pixel contains an entire color-shifted copy of the original screen in it...recursive zooming forever < 1286405442 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much nerd cred for that tho. it'd just look cool. < 1286405457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286405460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd become solid, though < 1286405489 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could fudge it < 1286405498 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowly remove the color shifting as you zoom or something < 1286405652 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg revert --all < 1286405692 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PowerShell continues to disappoint me. You're all still here. < 1286405841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: can I hire you as my AI consultant? I have a working framework for it now >__> < 1286406089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://benmetcalfe.com/blog/2010/10/the-ly-domain-space-to-be-considered-unsafe/ Using domains in the TLDs of countries you can't trust: surprisingly, a bad idea! trust < 1286406097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr use .ly, follow sharia law < 1286406526 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286406965 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The past that we shared / Lost to the Waves / My journey here / a lifetime ago / and all that I was / is lost, to the waves < 1286407000 0 :cpressey_!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286407036 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286407058 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got a lyrics wrong :/ < 1286407062 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The past but a shade" < 1286407066 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes more sense < 1286407593 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286407865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should start quoting random lyrics! < 1286407881 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286408063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* olsner watches the waves as they propagate around his abdomen <-- wait were you ircing in the bathtub or something? < 1286408358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> Oh, god, Randall Munroe hasn't rehashed Online Communities, has he? < 1286408370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo will be happy that i noticed Active Worlds in there < 1286408375 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286408649 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also i learned something new from the hovertext today) < 1286408825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cheater99> i could be a girl <-- at this point i wouldn't believe it if you claimed to be < 1286408850 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just my impression < 1286409015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P(cheater99 is a girl) = minuscule < 1286409016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286409068 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cheater99> alise is not female???? <-- i am almost sure this has been pointed out to you before < 1286409110 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286409141 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal> Phantom_Hoover, oh and is "subspace" just a star trek reference, or some game? It is next to MMO Isle, opposite to second life < 1286409147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wondered about that too < 1286409204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subspace is used in like everything < 1286409215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubSpace_(video_game) but somehow I *doubt* < 1286409229 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the closest i found too < 1286409245 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to be under the water for some reason < 1286409247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an MMO, so... < 1286409315 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am assuming it's not the record label :D < 1286409347 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since it _is_ next to MMO isle i guess it's pretty clear < 1286409364 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286409497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['a'..'z'] \\ (nub . sort . map toLower) "The quick brown fox jumpwedover my bix sphynx of qwertz." < 1286409498 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "agl" < 1286409503 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAIL < 1286409545 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (nub . sort . map toLower) "The quick brown fox jumpwedover my bix sphynx of qwertz." < 1286409546 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : " .bcdefhijkmnopqrstuvwxyz" < 1286409582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: how much to have you consult on AI?? < 1286409609 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['a'..'z'] \\ (nub . sort . map toLower) "The quick, yet lazy brown fox jumpwedover my bix, doglike sphynx of qwertz." < 1286409610 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "" < 1286409653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was me testing my new keyboard :D < 1286409659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286409669 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "yet" is redundant < 1286409670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a blend of jackdaws love... and the quick brown... obvs < 1286409697 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, letterly, sure, but not semantically < 1286409964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Image:Sprites.GIF Sherby Tepu < 1286409978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Things that annoy me: People who get annoyed by too many things. < 1286409990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of a calvin & hobbes cartoon < 1286410044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(calvin makes a list of things that annoy him, and hobbes suggests "negative people". or something like that.) < 1286410145 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas i read it in norwegian so even if it were on the internet it'd probably be hard to find) < 1286410148 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-) < 1286410185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I recall that. < 1286410207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about the right phrasing. < 1286410278 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah "negative people" was the right phrase < 1286410455 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curse bill watterson and his excessive copyright protectivism < 1286410547 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than being a corporate whore, though. I can at least *respect* a guy who refuses any merchandising on principle. < 1286410762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :planes as birds < 1286410774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> Things that annoy me: People who feel the need to get a sense of self-superiority by not complaining about things. < 1286410783 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we prefer to kill you in your sleep instead. < 1286411183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i propose we create war < 1286411195 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a stupid idea < 1286411399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: NO AWESOME < 1286411434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubbish, you should be shot for making such an idiotic suggestion < 1286411465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan, debracketise this for me, i'm too tired: < 1286411488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(((A and B) or C) and D) < 1286411521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A and B or C) and D < 1286411591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286411914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vagrant report: 63 lines, AI is still broken because cheater is moody < 1286411954 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy sit i've been gone two hours and my last message is still on the screen < 1286412053 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, the kind of AI you're doing is easy. why not just do it yourself? < 1286412058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you just brag about your big screen < 1286412060 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286412082 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that was more a jab at everyone's inactivity... < 1286412115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm lazy and obfuscated python is a bitch < 1286412128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've forgotten what my variables are for < 1286412147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x<X-17:X-=1 < 1286412147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x>X+17:X+=1 < 1286412148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if y<Y-5:Y-=1 < 1286412148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if y>Y+5:Y+=1 < 1286412153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear this is reducible < 1286412186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you clearly cannot have been here during the times when it's _really_ silent and all you see is quit/join messages for hours... < 1286412188 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it is indeed, reducible, using cheater's o function you refuse to borrow < 1286412208 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: those are off-peak hours. the two hours i was gone were near-peak < 1286412244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what are you, cheater's lawyer? i didn't see that copysign could help < 1286412247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it help here? < 1286412263 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one sec < 1286412292 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno python exactly, so this shall be pseudocode < 1286412393 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if abs(X-x)>17 X-=o(1,X-x) should do the work of both the first two lines. < 1286412403 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may be a sign error in there, but i think that's it < 1286412414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, wait, what does copysign do again? < 1286412417 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do the same thing for y < 1286412419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o(n,+x) = +n < 1286412422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o(n,-x) = -n < 1286412423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286412425 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286412435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: then that's the same as cmp(X,x) I think < 1286412444 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1286412450 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know py had that func < 1286412450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> cmp(3,34) < 1286412451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 < 1286412451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> cmp(3,2) < 1286412451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1286412464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same chars too :P < 1286412489 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rename it to a letter to save space :D < 1286412541 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should buy you two characters... < 1286412555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it works, thanks! < 1286412557 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the cost of the define operation < 1286412561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, almost < 1286412565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if abs(X-x)>17:X+=cmp(x,X) < 1286412566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if abs(Y-y)>5:X+=cmp(y,Y) < 1286412567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spot the error < 1286412584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well i use cmp elsewhere, albeit in broken ai code < 1286412596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 1, I have very few letters left, and 2, i use range more often (four times) < 1286412598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that has a longer name < 1286412600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it'd take priority < 1286412621 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 17< and 5< to save a space, surely? < 1286412634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how does that save a space, exactly? < 1286412639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if17 doesn't work < 1286412642 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286412644 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: can you use extended ascii in var names? < 1286412645 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1286412652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no :P < 1286412661 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lamesauce < 1286412680 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what do those lines do that they shouldn't? < 1286412696 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286412697 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1286412698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: however < 1286412700 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see it < 1286412700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : X+=17<abs(X-x)and cmp(x,X);Y+=5<abs(Y-y)and cmp(y,Y) < 1286412702 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286412707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD THE PAIN < 1286412718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works, unbelievably < 1286412722 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1286412723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that, four lines < 1286412738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah i abuse integers-as-booleans and vice versa so much in this program :P < 1286412745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=w[v];s.addch(B-Y,A-X,choice(T)if U and r(0,2)==0 and q-32 else q) < 1286412749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q-32 for q!=32? why not < 1286412755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def Q(x,p=0):global V;v=V;V=lambda:(v()and C(x)or p)and s.getkey() < 1286412759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fuck you, using def is too long < 1286412772 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: py uses -1 as false? < 1286412776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286412779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1286412782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286412786 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'm not seeing how that works < 1286412786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaeh, so < 1286412790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q-32 < 1286412790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if q=32 < 1286412791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't python have && ? < 1286412792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 32-32 = 0 < 1286412795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus 0 is false < 1286412797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's q != 32 < 1286412801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :negatives are true too < 1286412803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no. < 1286412804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas < 1286412819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it *does* have bitwise and < 1286412830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is shockingly defined on booleans < 1286412834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRB codetweaking < 1286412850 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i don't see how 17<abs(X-x)and cmp(x,X) ever returns -1? < 1286412858 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explain to this python non-knowing person < 1286412865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: cmp is -1 if less < 1286412867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 if equal < 1286412870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 if greater < 1286412881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True and x = x, even if x is a horse, not a boolean < 1286412890 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286412892 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :funky < 1286412901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for &: 'int' and 'NoneType' < 1286412902 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know how cmp works < 1286412904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU GUIDO < 1286412913 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never seen and return non-bools < 1286413015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's a better way to write < 1286413017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S=max(S-1,0) < 1286413024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. inc S only if S>=0 < 1286413070 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S+(S>=0) < 1286413071 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286413077 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+=\ < 1286413084 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleg < 1286413115 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-133.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286413133 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA S+=(S>=0) < 1286413146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you mean -= < 1286413167 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, your code said minus, but your text afterward said increment < 1286413171 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i followed the english spec < 1286413189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also er >0 obviously < 1286413195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S-=S>0 < 1286413210 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does > have higher precedence? < 1286413214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286413219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assignments aren't expressions < 1286413231 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286413239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty proud with how tiny this code is < 1286413241 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're still opertors < 1286413247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i scroll through it all and think "that's it??" < 1286413256 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never done python, but it already seems really strange < 1286413259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes, but you can put anything that doesn't have a ; in it on the right of = < 1286413262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1286413272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, python's basically just the most boring language ever, on purpose < 1286413282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be cunning, like me, to do perverse things < 1286413288 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck typing isn't all that boring actually < 1286413308 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck typing turns me on < 1286413319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you're a quack < 1286413322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Python focuses on not being surprising. And it succeeds at that. < 1286413340 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: can i see a current snapshot? < 1286413352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem being that interesting things are often surprising. :) < 1286413382 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you can be interesting and surprising even given the most mundane material to work with < 1286413383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no python violates POLS a lot < 1286413389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby doesn't so much < 1286413406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is very surprising, but if you do boring stuff it's ... boring like you expect < 1286413406 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby i have played with. i like it a lot. it's neat. < 1286413411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://pastie.org/1204286.txt?key=iqxs2n6fgidpua9mnwpbrw < 1286413415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: complete with broken ai < 1286413418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from q=w.copy() to w=q) < 1286413432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: debug.py: < 1286413436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1286413440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import sys < 1286413440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def hook(t,v,b):endwin();sys.__excepthook__(t,v,b) < 1286413440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sys.excepthook=hook < 1286413440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :execfile('vagrant.py') < 1286413441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1286413449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you modify the code at all, this is vital; it lets you see exceptions < 1286413460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal script calls endwin() and they get sucked up before they're displayed < 1286413481 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1286413491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: But it's quite surprising for a modern language to actually not violate POLS. :P < 1286413496 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaks curses? < 1286413517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: endwin() resets the terminal and all the curses stuff goes < 1286413526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's in an exit handler < 1286413532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is called *after* the exception is displayed < 1286413534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning it gets sucked up < 1286413558 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah aha < 1286413572 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i wasn't planning on running it just yet...just look < 1286413590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it only wipes your hard drive if you want < 1286413593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do, controls are trivial < 1286413597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vikeys to move including diagonals < 1286413604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q quaffs potion < 1286413608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything else pauses < 1286413609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl+C to quit < 1286413626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is potion, # wall (cube of impenetrable yet transparent glass -- you can see beyond it!) < 1286413638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% is food (just walk into it; 1/15 chance of tripping balls) < 1286413642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is cash < 1286413652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is hopelessly confused, nonviolent monsters; if you want rid of one, walk into it < 1286413671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is satiation, run out and you die quickly, eat to stop that < 1286413695 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going into a ! will add to your potion-meter, displayed in parens next to HP; q to move 20 or whatever you have if it's less from potion meter to HP meter < 1286413707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most everything is random so i can't give specific values. < 1286413809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if S<1:L=max(L-25,0) < 1286413809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286413828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if S<1:L-=(L>0)*25 < 1286413831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbelievably, shorter < 1286413861 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you come to Python from a language with block scope you will be surprised, oh yes. < 1286413866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works :) < 1286413944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+=U>0 < 1286413946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another simplification < 1286413954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: thanks for making my brain realise that works < 1286413961 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing this makes me want to design a golfing language < 1286413963 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so there's no model behind the view? if you walk onto something, it ceases to exist? < 1286413974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yup. < 1286413979 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitchen! < 1286413981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well there is one bit of model, your x and y < 1286413987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be way too much work to find you every turn :P < 1286413997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: also you *could* store an inventory < 1286414001 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: isn't that what perl is for? < 1286414003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd be a bit of a bitch < 1286414019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if S<1:L-=(L>0)*25 < 1286414019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if S<1 and L:L-=25 < 1286414024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oof, same length! < 1286414039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coolness or sanity... HMMMM < 1286414044 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's what flogscript is for, literally, but i haven't checked it out yet. < 1286414099 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L-=(S<1and25) < 1286414103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: golfscript too < 1286414104 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if that works < 1286414107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no it does not < 1286414121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : L-=S<1 and 25 < 1286414123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should though! < 1286414124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286414130 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what so just syntax? < 1286414137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1286414139 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if S<1, then L-=1? < 1286414155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm you forgot to include L in that conditional < 1286414163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: L-=25*(S<1 and L) perhaps? < 1286414168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : L-=S<1 and(L>0)*25 < 1286414171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same length again < 1286414182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you win! < 1286414184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286414185 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L-=S>1and o(25,L) < 1286414188 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1286414194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "1and" < 1286414195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work < 1286414207 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when can you delete space? < 1286414217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a ) or ' or " pretty much < 1286414219 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's is shorter by one whole character! < 1286414231 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wtf does "1and" not work, guido? < 1286414240 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a 1. it's an and. < 1286414254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh wait it nneds to be (L and S<1), not? < 1286414260 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*needs < 1286414270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah yse < 1286414272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1286414278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you good sir < 1286414288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ wc -c vagrant.py < 1286414288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1723 vagrant.py < 1286414295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be around the same size with working AI, too < 1286414301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not bad! < 1286414315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :57 lines < 1286414326 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit. you've come down a whole 3 characters on that one line in the last 15 minutes!\ < 1286414334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286414336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaay < 1286414352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many pages of code is 58 lines? (one wraps) < 1286414355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure < 1286414358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one? two? < 1286414368 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by what measure? < 1286414372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it is, it's remarkably playable. moreso when the monsters get a brain < 1286414378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i dunno, people measure in pages of code all the time < 1286414388 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ask them the same question... < 1286414400 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually, it's print out in 12pt monospace font < 1286414407 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1" margins < 1286414443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that o function again < 1286414460 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copysign < 1286414461 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr a "page" being sixtysome, by some printer's reckoning < 1286414474 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wth is _that_ < 1286414486 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read up the channel < 1286414488 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise defined it < 1286414493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1286414495 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286414497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't < 1286414500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the math module did < 1286414503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286414507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: copysign(x,+n)=+x < 1286414511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copysign(x,-n)=-x < 1286414511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1286414521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copysign(x,n) = x sgn(n) < 1286414543 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copysign is either a very lame function or a very cool function. i cannot decide. < 1286414565 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgn is already a cool function < 1286414594 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since one can define it as x and x/abs(x) < 1286414632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see quintopia has assimilated the crazy and notation :P < 1286414651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallu in my game is so hardcore < 1286414653 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes copysign x and x*x/abs(x) < 1286414657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, this silliness shall continue, but tomorrow! < 1286414666 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like syntactic sugars, i must admit < 1286414670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO USES and FOR WHATEVER THE HELL THAT IS? < 1286414688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: x and y = y if x != 0, otherwise 0 < 1286414689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1286414690 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x and x/abs(x) may be going a bit far, I agree < 1286414700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the reason: i'm using it in my crazy golfed roguelike < 1286414702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's short! < 1286414705 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: short-circuiting for fun and profit has been around since C was invented < 1286414710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1286414717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so why did it surprise you? < 1286414721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not used to python doing it? < 1286414724 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a name for "short-circuit and evaluate to" like this, though? < 1286414730 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lua does it < 1286414731 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl does it < 1286414734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ruby too < 1286414739 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they all do it < 1286414741 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm not used to it behaving /precisely/ like that < 1286414743 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they" < 1286414747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it totally does quintopia < 1286414754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Buuut "x and y" as "x ? y : 0"? What crazy crack is that? < 1286414755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y if x is true otherwise x < 1286414760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: x ? y : x < 1286414765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'' is also false < 1286414765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1286414768 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl, ruby, python, lua < 1286414770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything does it < 1286414772 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah i know. that's the part that surprised me < 1286414775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every dynamic scripting language, more or less < 1286414783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x and y === x?y:x < 1286414784 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... whatsit called... < 1286414793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now really < 1286414795 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that lnguage with the same name as one of the TRON characters < 1286414795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1286414797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye :) < 1286414799 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night alise < 1286414801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: bastion < 1286414803 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baibai < 1286414804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^lies < 1286414805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286414820 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the humble indie bundle server down? < 1286414822 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu < 1286414838 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLU < 1286414839 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can totally access IPv6 Google. \o/ < 1286414839 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                 | < 1286414839 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                /< < 1286414855 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think clu introduced it, or at least, claimed to have < 1286414862 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is that a TRON character? < 1286414883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas it seems to require dynamic typing < 1286414888 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes it is. < 1286414896 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b/c wp has a page "List of Tron Characters" < 1286414899 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNEW IT WOULD < 1286414932 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION disappears < 1286414943 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since either x or y can be returned, and x needs to be something treatable as a boolean < 1286415003 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bit is a character from the movie Tron. Representing a bit (binary digit), it was only capable of providing yes or no answers to any question. Despite this it still managed to convey emotion and other levels of complexity." < 1286415036 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that doesn't require dynamic typing < 1286415040 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only "truthiness" < 1286415054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm sure you _could_ define a suitable haskell typeclass :D < 1286415059 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for every type t there is a function t -> bool < 1286415083 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think there's a common one that quite fits < 1286415101 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286415106 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :common? no. < 1286415110 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1286415112 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is kind of the problem with truthiness < 1286415122 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have yet to get used to the fact that in Python, [] is false < 1286415256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Truthy a where truthiness :: a -> Bool < 1286415367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: surely that's borrowed from lisp < 1286415590 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: possibly, but both perl and lua treat empty list(/table) as true < 1286415601 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because... < 1286415606 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you allocated memory for it! < 1286415609 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess. < 1286415646 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286416525 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286416810 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1286418478 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286419274 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1286419275 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>. < 1286419281 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hepl languages < 1286419286 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1286419286 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1286419322 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we ever get factor onto this puppy? < 1286419381 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ls /bin < 1286419394 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait that's hackego < 1286419402 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1286419402 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1286419407 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait that's fungot < 1286419407 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i can hear you typing. i don't < 1286419409 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO MANY BOTS < 1286419448 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: help < 1286419450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i think someone said factor was removed again for some reason < 1286419477 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: what is your control introducer character < 1286419479 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls /bin < 1286419494 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: WAKE UP < 1286419495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1286419498 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash < 1286419500 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1286419501 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286419508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was just slow < 1286419519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, used DCC < 1286419526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls /usr/bin < 1286419526 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X11 < 1286419536 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh echo $PATH < 1286419536 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin < 1286419541 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls /sbin < 1286419541 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/ls: cannot access /sbin: No such file or directory < 1286419546 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right on < 1286419552 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls /usr/sbin < 1286419552 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accessdb < 1286419558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ls /bin | fmt -w400 | head -1 < 1286419563 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash bunzip2 busybox bzcat bzcmp bzdiff bzegrep bzexe bzfgrep bzgrep bzip2 bzip2recover bzless bzmore cat chgrp chmod chown chvt cp cpio date dd df dir dmesg dnsdomainname domainname dumpkeys echo ed egrep false fgconsole fgrep fuser grep gunzip gzexe gzip hostname ip kbd_mode kill less lessecho lessfile lesskey lesspipe ln loadkeys login ls lsmod mkdir mknod mktemp more < 1286419565 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1286419574 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being tricky, eh EgoBot? < 1286419606 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh false < 1286419623 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell [1,2,3] < 1286419635 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dmesg < 1286419643 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh dmesg < 1286419648 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'll wait < 1286419674 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1286419686 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor please make your bots slightly less user-hostile than OpenBSD < 1286419686 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1286419698 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286419709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1286419711 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doood, my bots are so not hostile at all :P < 1286419711 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1286419719 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286419733 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: SHUT UP NOÖNE CARES < 1286419734 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say "more user-friendly" but... yeah < 1286419753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to have ignored some of cpressey's messages < 1286419761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell [1,2,3] < 1286419764 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,2,3] < 1286419766 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ping < 1286419792 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, what it could do there is say "screw you cpressey, i have no symbol table entry for this 'ping' of which you speak" < 1286419861 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t [1,2,3] < 1286419862 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,2,3] :: (Num t) => [t] < 1286419915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ping < 1286419934 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo test < 1286419934 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1286419997 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t (>>=) < 1286419999 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>=) :: (Monad m) => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1286420166 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if bind is "overspecified" as: m a -> (a -> m a) -> m a ? < 1286420176 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like, once you pick a type, you're stuck with it? < 1286420495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yeah but that wouldn't give a legal Monad instance, a and b must vary freely < 1286420527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>=) < 1286420528 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (m :: * -> *) a b. (Monad m) => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1286420578 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see; for ALL a and b. hm < 1286420661 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286420678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the forall syntax is an extension for "higher-rank" types, in basic haskell it's implicitly applied in front of all type declarations < 1286420725 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runST -- a function which uses a second-rank type < 1286420726 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (forall s. ST s a) -> a < 1286420753 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for particularly magical purposes btw) < 1286421139 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :charmed, i'm sure. < 1286421235 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cpressey < 1286421245 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e-cypress < 1286421394 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg he's really a tree! < 1286421664 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mantel < 1286422337 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh dmesg | grep usb < 1286422369 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't expect much there anyway... < 1286422385 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!asm lda #ff; sta $0001 < 1286422397 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1286422429 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which assembly is that? i386? < 1286422438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like 6502 to me < 1286422442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"320 kbps" STOP DOING THAT IT IS RAPE OF YOUR MP3 ENCODER < 1286422444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP IT < 1286422484 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder. < 1286422485 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1286422485 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey said 46m 39s ago: please make your bots slightly less user-hostile than OpenBSD < 1286422498 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haw, no /msg for YOUUUUUUU < 1286422500 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, lambdabot? < 1286422518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: #esoteric does NOT HAVE ENOUGH BOTS < 1286422533 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is #esoteric on the regular lambdabot join list now? < 1286422587 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall a comment to effect of "no promise it will stay", so probably not < 1286422593 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the effect < 1286422630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then. < 1286422725 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should be writin' up another, gratuitous bot to run here eh < 1286422769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which for obvious reasons should be called cpbot < 1286422921 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about botbotbot < 1286423332 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :botbotbot < 1286423338 0 :botbotbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1286423344 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what i meant. < 1286423378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigbadbot < 1286423467 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286423525 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :botbotbot is more fun to say < 1286423798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but but < 1286423853 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :played paranoia today < 1286423854 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was <3 < 1286423895 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we killed commies: http://bit.ly/aP8qdB < 1286424168 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbotbotbot < 1286424181 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mzstorkipiwanbot < 1286424197 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1286424231 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286424292 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1286424336 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess that means we'll soon find out if we're on the join list < 1286424447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: BTW: http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/ < 1286424525 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286424681 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh so it actually has some net presence < 1286424683 0 :pineal_aenimal!pineal_aen@209.97.91.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286424691 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always said those mutant traitors were ugly < 1286424717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Legally! < 1286424778 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not quite as bad as Larson, iiuc < 1286424790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Far Side) < 1286424822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1286424880 0 :aschueler!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286424888 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>: < 1286424903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cheatsheet alise gave me for writing an ircbot isn't working < 1286424990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to have registered to join #esoteric? < 1286425009 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems wrong < 1286425015 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286425026 0 :carbolihy!~catseye@adsl-99-97-99-133.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286425033 0 :carbolihy!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1286425092 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ... huh? < 1286425132 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mzstorkipiwanbot < 1286425138 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i cannot seem to find the one i mentioned before - at least "negative people" gives no hits < 1286425166 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1286425225 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I do nc to irc.freenode.net < 1286425231 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then NICK mzstorkipiwanbot < 1286425235 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the JOIN #esoteric < 1286425240 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it tells me I'm not registered < 1286425242 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kicks me < 1286425248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hrmf. < 1286425250 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I just registered too < 1286425309 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are steps between NICK and JOIN < 1286425313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, before NICK IIRC. < 1286425314 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One sec. < 1286425327 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>: < 1286425331 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise never told me that < 1286425342 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh oh < 1286425343 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :USER < 1286425344 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1286425377 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~foo@adsl-99-97-99-133.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286425384 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go < 1286425391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i guess they have no searchable transcripts, only some tags < 1286425397 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1286425411 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't have USER. < 1286425420 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahyeah, you figured that out before I did :P < 1286425953 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to write an IRC bot: Start with PircBot and then worry about writing the actual functionality. < 1286425980 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not doin' it right < 1286426022 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if i do it manually, it works < 1286426034 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :add in some delays < 1286426174 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, taint it < 1286426663 0 :wawawa!~wa@adsl-99-97-99-133.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286426674 0 :wawawa!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286426678 0 :wawawa!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1286427105 0 :pineal_aenimal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isolated unity. < 1286427170 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh foo. i bet it's because stdout is buffer, eh what? < 1286427238 0 :grha!~grha@adsl-99-97-99-133.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286427240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm pretty sure you need at least line buffering < 1286427240 0 :grha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::oerjan: I disagree! < 1286427241 0 :grha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286427254 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1286427263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow a run-by argument :D < 1286427299 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was PRIVMSGing itself ("I disagree!") in a loop so I killed it. < 1286427319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that and wawawa were your bot? < 1286427393 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@adsl-99-97-99-133.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286427403 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything up to grha was me trying to figure out why my bot wasn't working < 1286427406 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT is my bot. < 1286427413 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: You're my bot! < 1286427413 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I disagree! < 1286427430 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: You're a very sophisticated bot. < 1286427430 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I disagree! < 1286427446 0 :pineal_aenimal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1286427512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, slap me for writing it in python, but it was convenient. < 1286427737 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286427807 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rrhhh? < 1286427898 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@adsl-99-97-99-133.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286427941 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286428003 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@adsl-99-97-99-133.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286428008 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286428073 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@adsl-99-97-99-133.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286428119 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286428288 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might want to test that in some channel other than #esoteric 'til it works :P < 1286428337 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How do I send a multi-word PRIVMSG to a user? < 1286428351 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG username :Stuff < 1286428366 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Mr. Colon < 1286428367 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That generalizes: If you start an argument with ":", that means the argument continues to the end of the line. < 1286428390 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k the < 1286428394 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then. < 1286428402 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgive the joinpartspamming < 1286428444 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@adsl-99-97-99-133.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286428470 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: Hi. I see you registered with NickServ! Good for you! < 1286428470 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I disagree! < 1286428691 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know mzstorkipiwanbot, i'm a-gonna teach you to execute scheme. and feel pain < 1286428718 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: oh dear your creator is a megalomaniac! < 1286428719 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I disagree! < 1286428755 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's your problem < 1286428763 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot, I should not be crowned King of the Universe. < 1286428772 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: I should not be crowned King of the Universe. < 1286428773 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I disagree! < 1286429030 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1286429061 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need to respond to pings or something? < 1286429070 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286429150 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what it means to feel pain, for an irc bot < 1286429184 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a pong < 1286429187 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now say that in toki pona (or whatever it's called) < 1286429267 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Toki Pona. < 1286429292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should devise a kanji mapping scheme for that < 1286429295 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<lament> that's what it means to feel pain, for an irc bot <-- !translate english toki-pona < 1286429387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus creating an overly complex orthography for an overly simple language. < 1286429411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so it'd be much less complex when there's only 118 characters. Still. < 1286429453 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilo nanpa toki pi tomo toki li pilin ike kepeken ni. < 1286429469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gloss? < 1286429481 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, matte only < 1286429535 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286429683 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286429839 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286430088 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess I could just say PONG :unknown and it accepts it < 1286430105 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i went through the whole rigamarole of figuring out what my hostname is anyway < 1286430397 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling you're supposed to just bounce the message back with one letter changed < 1286430454 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which letter? < 1286430458 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the I < 1286430461 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/I/O/g < 1286430470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no g surely < 1286430517 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I should say PONG :gogol.freenode.net? that seems... ingracious < 1286430517 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if it doesn't accept what you bang back in whatever valid format, it's probably a screwed up server < 1286430535 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should take the message, change the PING to PONG, and send it back < 1286430547 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mfmh. o < 1286430552 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ok < 1286430577 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :experimentation indicates it doesn't care < 1286430888 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286431282 0 :antivigilante_!~antivigil@174-26-108-97.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286432231 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@99.97.99.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286432256 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: wat. < 1286432256 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I disagree! < 1286432281 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286432498 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hi < 1286432506 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi < 1286432511 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^hi < 1286432515 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hi < 1286432520 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::hi < 1286432524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't the TLDs have A records? < 1286432553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, why don't they *all* have A records? < 1286432558 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no website is "com"? < 1286432575 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286432580 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1286432592 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing http://com/ into firefox takes me to cnet < 1286432616 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cnet.com/ to be precise < 1286432621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably taking you to com.com. < 1286432622 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how they finagled that < 1286432645 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: indeed yes < 1286432663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And com has no A record, so Firefox tries adding .com. < 1286432698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, why not just have the A record point to the site of the operator of the TLD? < 1286432735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the AAAA record, of course) < 1286432755 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286432786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286432826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. http://例え.テスト/ is a real thing. < 1286432968 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed yes. running mediawiki! < 1286433041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, truly internationalised TLDs. < 1286433064 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://עברית.idn.icann.org/ < 1286433082 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mix of LtoR and RtoL in the URL is disconcerting < 1286433160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mixed text is a bit disconcerting. < 1286433170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, it's accepted practice for RtoL scripts, so... < 1286433187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Antarctica has a TLD. < 1286433390 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, .aq < 1286433521 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aq. 86400 IN SOA ns1.dns.aq. noc.swizzle.co.nz. 2010100201 28000 3600 604800 86400 < 1286433612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like a zone transfer on aq! < 1286433857 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'night < 1286433891 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1286434020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl university < 1286434145 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BE BG BIZ BR CAT CH CZ DK EDU EU FR INFO LC LI LK MUSEUM NA NU ORG PM PR PT RE SE TF TH TM UK US VC YT < 1286434314 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286434384 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the TLDs that have DS records in root zone, no AQ in there...) :-/ < 1286434423 0 :Guest89141!~jw@65.103.241.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286434443 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, non IDN ones...) < 1286434453 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wootwoot, I proved a hard proof for marks < 1286434471 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as I sort of expected, it's really elegant in the end :) < 1286434812 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286434850 0 :antivigilante_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286435206 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286435290 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course copysign helps < 1286435301 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is not being smart < 1286435667 0 :antivigilante_!~antivigil@174-26-123-44.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286435992 0 :antivigilante_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286436808 0 :antivigilante_!~antivigil@174-26-123-44.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286437953 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286438113 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286438297 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286438366 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286438399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286438400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286438586 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286438714 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1286439063 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cat Head Detection - How to Effectively Exploit Shape and Texture Features" -- http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/jiansun/papers/ECCV08_CatDetection.pdf < 1286439072 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Research: bleeding-edge cat detection. < 1286439094 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Second, people love cats. A large amount of cat images have been uploaded and shared on the web. For example, 2,594,329 cat images had been manually annotated in flickr.com by users. Cat photos are among the most popular animal photos on the internet." < 1286439556 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god do they ever < 1286439570 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure felix domesticus is native to the internet < 1286440420 0 :antivigilante_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286441993 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286442533 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286442847 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286443680 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello sweethearts < 1286443951 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-123-44.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286443954 0 :antivigilante_!~antivigil@174-26-123-44.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286444683 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286445657 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1286447803 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286447835 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286449460 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286450620 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot! < 1286450621 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i found something which _might_ work on win98? dunno... :) < 1286450644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is it? < 1286450645 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lea is a dirty open source hippie commies? yes you can < 1286450736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, IRC's working fine, but the DNS seems to have gone down < 1286451576 0 :antivigilante__!~antivigil@174-26-123-44.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286451584 0 :antivigilante_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1286453646 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286453885 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286455106 0 :quintipod!~quintopia@lawn-128-61-30-148.lawn.gatech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1286455122 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woooooah < 1286455412 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286455438 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1286455682 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1286455685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any news? anything up-and-coming in the world of esolanging? < 1286455700 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I invented a new esolang last night, I may have to tweak it if it turns out to be sub-TC (although I think it's TC) < 1286455725 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1286455730 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolanging? Nahhh. I am going caving and camping starting this afternoon and lasting all weekend though < 1286455752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: a cross between http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sansism and http://esolangs.org/wiki/1L < 1286456077 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only imagine < 1286456192 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite esolang right now is Minecraft < 1286456428 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286456725 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-57-20.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286456853 0 :quintipod!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Busy busy busy < 1286457138 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I was just looking over my old esoprograms < 1286457167 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm amused by the "tenloop" in Unassignable, that exists to make a single decimal digit < 1286457215 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's implemented as a three-bit number, and a four-bit number; the three-bit number adds/subtracts 6 to the four-bit number when it overflows/underflows, the four-bit number subtracts/adds 2 to the three-bit number when it overflows/underflows < 1286458099 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, who's 79.75.203.167? they wrote a P'' interp in INTERCAL, to prove it TC < 1286458103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if it's someone in this channel < 1286458120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I was wondering whether it was me to start with, but that isn't my IP < 1286458141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I probably wouldn't have used CLC-INTERCAL < 1286458210 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286458228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dreaming is illegal < 1286458346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi alise < 1286458358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1286458361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illegal! Wake up < 1286459331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Worcestershire sauce, the popular English sauce, is made from dissolved anchovies. The anchovies are soaked in vinegar until they have completely melted. The sauce contains the bones and all." < 1286459334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did not know; did not want to know < 1286459498 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, why is the heart often associated with love? I mean, biologically that is nonsense as far as I know... < 1286459563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is just a leftover from before people knew that (which seems probable), then two new questions arise: < 1286459572 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) why would anyone think it was related to love in the first place < 1286459576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, you deduced the obvious and called it probable, congrats < 1286459580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because you think with your heart. < 1286459596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, you don't think with your brain, that just coordinates the body a bit, why would you think that?) < 1286459600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) why is it still used as a symbol for love < 1286459603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the heart is the main part of the body, you think with it) < 1286459616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) why do we still celebrate halloween? < 1286459634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, I don't know. We don't where I live :P < 1286459636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we still use elements of things that we as a whole reject < 1286459636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for an entirely different reason than we originally celebrated halloween < 1286459646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely, and we don't *really* think the heart loves < 1286459649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less like Christmas has changed in meaning over the years < 1286459650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just kept it < 1286459655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hearts don't look like <3! < 1286459656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how surprising! < 1286459664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays, it's just an indication of trick-or-treating and NetHack tournaments < 1286459683 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The heart has long been used as a symbol to refer to the spiritual, emotional, moral, and in the past also intellectual core of a human being. As the heart was once widely believed to be the seat of the human mind, the word heart continues to be used poetically to refer to the soul, and stylized depictions of hearts are used as prevalent symbols representing love. < 1286459699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why didn't love end up getting associated with, say, the liver? < 1286459705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't think with your liver < 1286459705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems equally random < 1286459707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your liver just sits tehre < 1286459708 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there < 1286459716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can hear your heart going, it's near where you talk and stuff < 1286459720 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286459734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay that seems like a plausible logic for it < 1286459751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1286459752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Roman physician Galen located the seat of the passions in the liver, the seat of reason in the brain, and considered the heart to be the seat of the emotions. While Galen's identification of the heart with emotion were proposed as a part of his theory of the circulatory system, the heart has continued to be used as a symbolic source of human emotions even after the rejection of such beliefs.[2] < 1286459756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"seat of passions in the liver" < 1286459764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i reject your question, it makes a false assumption! < 1286459766 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I swear I didn't know about that one :P < 1286459770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we DID think that! or at least, something relatively close to that < 1286459772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lust not love i guess < 1286459782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, anyone thought it was in the spleen? < 1286459790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1286459795 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1286459799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but no, i don't think anyone did, historically) < 1286459808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I didn't think anyone would place passion inside the liver, either < 1286459821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did I < 1286459839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just picked a random organ in the torso above < 1286459912 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, btw, what did they think the brain was for back when they thought you used the heart to think with? < 1286459931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much. like the liver < 1286459934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286459948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it just relays stuff. if they even had a concept of signals being sent around then < 1286459953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it just regulates some random thing or another < 1286460015 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this phishing 419 spam (claiming to be from Benin, rather than Nigeria) is asking for the answers to a list of questions I don't even understand < 1286460041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they want "Your. " Receiver, Country, City, Tel, Test question, Answer, and Passport < 1286460107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds Benin to me < 1286460110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shot* < 1286460123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how do I send my passport via email? < 1286460128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I know what the question is? < 1286460129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scan it? < 1286460130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, put it in the floppy drive? < 1286460154 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'll photograph it on a wooden table, screenshot Photoshop with the photo open, paste it into Word and send that < 1286460158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This keyboard has surprisingly good tactile response for Logitech. < 1286460161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I'm still getting used to it... < 1286460164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's a bit loud :) < 1286460176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as for "Receiver", they presumably want a scan of your TV receiver antenna or such? < 1286460179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where by "maybe" I mean "there's no chance that") < 1286460184 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: perhaps < 1286460202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they're going to ignore the answers anyway, they're just looking for someone who responds to 419 scams < 1286460220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no love for "whereby"? < 1286460236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind-of, where by, you are strange :) < 1286460247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whereby" means something else, doesn't it? < 1286460249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, because anyone _still_ doing that would have to be faking it? < 1286460257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you'd be surprised < 1286460264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whereby = by which < 1286460283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely, whereby makes sense ehre < 1286460292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a couple of days ago (I think when clog was down, not sure) I commented on a reddit commenter who said that when parked domains full of ads were visited, they had a clickthrough rate of above 50% as there was nothing else to click on < 1286460295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other heads saw devolution as a whole new way of life and adopted an approach whereby the power of devolution was used to enable the school to drive the ... < 1286460296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wikt:whereby - Cached < 1286460299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x was used to enable y < 1286460304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most people didn't realise it wasn't the site they wanted to visit < 1286460304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x was used to mean y < 1286460305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286460308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you're right. < 1286460318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "where by" is just as incorrect, though, if it is indeed incorrect < 1286460335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hasn't hit me yet < 1286460337 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know that a while back, when a quirk in Google made a newspaper story the top search result for Facebook, several people tried to log into Facebook via its comment form) < 1286460344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wikt:whereby - Cached <-- wikt: ? < 1286460349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiktionary < 1286460351 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286460351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikitionary < 1286460352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1286460356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki tonary < 1286460368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that a separate domain? < 1286460388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they forward it < 1286460390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286460485 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how many is several? Also, I wonder how bad this is and how much is selective reporting. There has to be lots of cases where some google result ordering quirk did *not* cause similar effects. < 1286460492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not sure < 1286460505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably the majority didn't get confused < 1286460523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least if they did, didn't try to log in using the comment system < 1286460549 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Several" was rather surprisingly many, if I remember the case right. Certainly not the majority, though. < 1286460560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably facebook is just large enough that on average you will get a handful of morons. And handful will be rather large. < 1286460571 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(large in absolute numbers I mean) < 1286460579 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1286460600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any public figures on how many users facebook have? < 1286460609 0 :Guest89141!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286460614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: millions and millions. < 1286460628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :500 million ACTIVE users, it seems < 1286460629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of july < 1286460633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286460639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"which is about one person for every fourteen in the world" --Wikipedia < 1286460642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they count active? last 30 days? last 60? < 1286460647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't say < 1286460651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1286460651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever it is, it's impressive < 1286460655 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is < 1286460658 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When hundreds of clueless commenters decided mid-February that ReadWriteWeb was the place to log in to Facebook, --" so several is at least hundreds. < 1286460660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) thanks for the division, Wikipedia; (2) no sorry that actually is a useful statistic I just had to make that joke < 1286460711 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, lets see... < 1286460713 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> (500 / 500000000.0)*100 < 1286460713 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.9999999999999991e-05 < 1286460718 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very many percent < 1286460737 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is assuming hundreds = 500 < 1286460770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To accomplish this, Zuckerberg hacked into the protected areas of Harvard's computer network and copied the houses' private dormitory ID images." < 1286460802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook, dedicated to your privacy since day one. < 1286460806 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, um? < 1286460819 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the predecessor to Facebook got its info < 1286460821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Zuckerberg founded Facebook < 1286460823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1286460828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that site had to close down, and Facebook was founded in its place < 1286460830 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286460842 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not surprised it had to close down < 1286460846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Kind of scary that Harvard's network is vulnerable like that... < 1286460855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, was. < 1286460856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, was at the time < 1286460860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Though "hundreds" might just be the amount who actually said something. I mean, the case was that the article's commentary page had a "sign in with Facebook" thing, and people signed in, then wrote stuff to the "comments" box; presumably there are at least some who logged in and actually realized "hey, this is not facebook". < 1286460874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286460881 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286460897 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would "sign in with facebook" be openid or? < 1286460936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was early 2010, I think Facebook's OpenID joining is a later thing? I don't really know how they do inter-a-graterion. < 1286460952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also python's floating point rounding for output sucks badly < 1286460965 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's Facebook Connect; vaguely like OpenID, except limited to Facebook < 1286460970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is, ofc, a bad idea < 1286460972 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nobody seems to care < 1286460979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm. Does facebook provide openid as well or? < 1286460982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1286460984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it never will < 1286460989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286460995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why roll their own system < 1286460999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power. < 1286461000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you make Facebook Connect into an OpenID provider? < 1286461006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more people sign up for facebook to use facebook connect. < 1286461007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would that violate Facebook's rules? < 1286461010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more people think "facebook" more often < 1286461012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's probably technically possible) < 1286461017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more people think "yes -- i am using my facebook" when using it < 1286461018 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greater mindshare < 1286461019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :power < 1286461028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when Facebook Connect first came out, I decided I *really* hated Facebook for killing OpenID < 1286461040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably make it into an openid provider < 1286461042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you use any sort of openid btw? < 1286461043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I hate Google Accounts just as much < 1286461045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would you want to? < 1286461052 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: google accounts are exposed as openIDs, at least < 1286461066 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286461069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which makes it more acceptable < 1286461088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you can't use google accounts on a non-App Engine site without using the OpenID solution, so that's promotion in a sense) < 1286461094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas facebook connect is an outright competitor to openid < 1286461109 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: my issue is the reverse, there's sites that allow Google accounts to log in, but not OpenID < 1286461117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to create a Google account to log in there < 1286461125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twitter can be used as a Facebook Connect/OpenID -like thing, too; the ReadWriteWeb comment page currently lets you login via Facebook Connect, Twitter, or any OpenID provider. < 1286461127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, only (1) Google sites (and this is not too surprising), and (2) sites on App Engine < 1286461141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) is unfortunate, but you can hardly expect Google not to provide an interface to their accounts API from one of their big services, < 1286461143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: (1) isn't too surprising, but still annoying < 1286461148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (1) is understandable if imperfect < 1286461157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sure as hell a lot better than facebook < 1286461170 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if I log in to use Google Groups, I have to log out again and clear cookies to use Google search, if I want results that are relatively neutral < 1286461175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :openid is nice in theory, but there are a number of issues with it 1) trusting the provider you use to not abuse it and run a secure system 2) trust them not to suddenly go bankrupt < 1286461181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than being attemptedly tailored to my interests < 1286461181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay you could run your own openid server < 1286461184 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is a lot of work < 1286461225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is not a lot of work < 1286461229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you copy like two files and edit one file < 1286461236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no "server" < 1286461242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there are solutions to (1) and (2) < 1286461248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put headers on your personal web page < 1286461253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that point to an openid provider < 1286461256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then use your web page as an openid < 1286461259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swapping providers at will < 1286461272 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :encrypted local keyring is my preferred solution, of course if you often use public computers and such that wouldn't be very convenient, but in any case you need to trust those systems not to have keyloggers installed, so they are a bad solution in any case. < 1286461280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares < 1286461285 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to ensure backup and such of course < 1286461300 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hm < 1286461329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I actually wrote a thing to expose Google Accounts to non-App Engine websites in 2008. Apologies, but, in my defence, it was intended solely to implement an OpenID provider with, before Google offered OpenID. < 1286461340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1286461343 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Facebook's a sponsoring member of the OpenID Foundation, anyway, so you see, they're helping in their way. < 1286461347 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I remember that < 1286461348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gaccproxy.appspot.com; in my defence, that's a perfectly acceptable non-HTTP-exclusive domain name!) < 1286461349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you didn't force people to use it, I don't mind < 1286461373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i posted it on reddit and argued with people who called it the END OF SECURITY and things like that but i don't think anyone actually used it < 1286461378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the example site is long-dead now < 1286461383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ran on eso-std.org < 1286461396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just to prove it works :P) < 1286461434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code is a little ugly iirc < 1286461445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but contains enough random numbers and verification to be fun < 1286461448 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, don't those sites also allow creating an account and using username/password? < 1286461459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, like the "conventional" solution to login < 1286461467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: instead of FB Connect? < 1286461469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them < 1286461470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all < 1286461486 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, instead of fb connect/google accounts/openid < 1286461492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> Facebook's a sponsoring member of the OpenID Foundation, anyway, so you see, they're helping in their way. < 1286461498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh :) < 1286461512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how ITV is structured, but the BBC at least used to partly own it < 1286461533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: google accounts -- not really, sites that use it are on app engine, and what's the point if you have to write auth code too? < 1286461539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FB connect -- most but not all < 1286461554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :openid -- most offer registration, but only because OpenID is sadly neglected < 1286461558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, remember that thing about gmail accounts getting hacked. China was involved iirc. Now, I'm sure the risk is extremely slim for that, but not even google is 100% secure, nothing is. < 1286461561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jyte doesn't but then it's a Jan Rain site < 1286461582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: did anyone actually connect that to China? < 1286461590 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my Firefox was going crazy then < 1286461602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed, nothing is really secure; you are far too paranoid because there are weak links far before you < 1286461606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't responding to any input, which often happens; /but/ if I resized the window, it redrew everything accordingly < 1286461614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as your bank, say. < 1286461631 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the IPs were from there iirc, and the accounts belonged to people the regime didn't like. < 1286461642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um, not connect for certain < 1286461646 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but very likely < 1286461652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyone remember when resizing Netscape used to redraw everything? 'cause I don't < 1286461689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I remember that with pre-Firefox Mozilla < 1286461690 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I remember that < 1286461706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure navigator 3 did that too? < 1286461814 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and indeed the bank isn't completely secure... It certainly worries me. < 1286461839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you do realise that you're so boring, nobody would ever want to compromise your security? < 1286461891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, stop trolling, it's just pathetic :P < 1286461928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1286462006 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, still banks use security tokens and such. Reasonably secure. < 1286462112 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-7.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286462384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I rarely bother with really strong levels of security, except when I'm safeguarding information for someone else < 1286462396 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case I expend effort to not be the weakest link in the chain < 1286462410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still use the same password everywhere, which I *really* want to change. < 1286462416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's such a huge undertaking. < 1286462465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, a good keychain program + master password? then you can stop using it for new ones and also can change old ones as you run across them? < 1286462483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bingo < 1286462499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to figure out how to get one that works on a mobile < 1286462502 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286462510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, iphone? < 1286462629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. i've been meaning to replace it. < 1286462661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this wonderful plan for a website that can do it all seamlessly, on just about any device, including public computers, and yet, is still totally trustable < 1286462670 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. you don't have to trust the website at all) < 1286462706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's pretty much only one way I could be evil and I was planning to have a browser extension that automatically notifies you whenever the code changes and checks to see if reputable people have said it's fine before continuing < 1286462719 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: does it just serve client-side JS, or something? < 1286462721 0 :cpressey_!~catseye@99.63.94.151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286462756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't particularly want to reveal the whole design in public, even though nobody else would bother building it, because it's the best "mainstream" idea I've had yet, even if I can't immediately think how to make money off it < 1286462757 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For website passwords, I've been using a Maemo PasswordSafe port on the phone; that's not too bad, I guess. < 1286462762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but basically, all the sensitive stuff is done entirely client-side < 1286462767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the server doesn't store anything I can read < 1286462772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's more subtlety to it than that < 1286462776 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sounds good < 1286462791 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@99.63.94.151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286462800 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way to make money off it is to get lots of users, and then sell it before the buyer notices you don't have a business model < 1286462809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they add ads and it collapses, but you still have the money < 1286462829 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nice idea but limited to high end phones really. < 1286462855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, it would work on any semi-modern phone < 1286462859 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :low-end phones can't log into websites at all < 1286462860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably even blackberries < 1286462862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, opera mini? < 1286462866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1286462868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't use opera mini < 1286462874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it was mainly for browser usage, it just happened to work on phones too < 1286462882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: besides, creating a java version or whatever wouldn't be too hard < 1286462885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, I was just disputing the claim about "just about any device" < 1286462892 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, there are lots of lower end/older phones < 1286462892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant, cybercafes too < 1286462897 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Facebook just added/are in the process of adding an option to export data < 1286462899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but cool people don't own them. < 1286462905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, cool people don't internet from them :P < 1286462920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... rather out-of-character for them < 1286462938 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, indeed, I wouldn't log in on anything with it. Only internet stuff I do on it is read news and check bus schedule < 1286462958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and news only when waiting for bus or such < 1286462980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only times I'm bored is when I'm waiting for the bus... < 1286462991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what progress! < 1286462995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :access to your own data < 1286462996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :astonishing < 1286463007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't see the motive here < 1286463013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to dodge antitrust concerns, maybe? < 1286463017 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the story on that confused me < 1286463017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to actually become less evil? < 1286463022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they've found love. < 1286463031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1286463037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, <liver> < 1286463037 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they claim it is all secure and protected after you download it < 1286463038 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286463045 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The official motivation: "It's our core belief that people should own and be able to conrol their information in Facebook," said CEO Mark Zuckerberg. "We view this as a philosophical thing." < 1286463057 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, it's philosophical. < 1286463057 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am all about conrol < 1286463064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, we need to find a way to write a liver now. A bit tricky hm < 1286463069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i really need a good onomatopoeium for "snrk" < 1286463082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sort of half-nose, half-above-mouth outwards sharp release of breath < 1286463086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when smiling < 1286463150 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: lambdabot is gone. you know this means i'm gonna have to teach you to be our messenger service. < 1286463150 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: I disagree! < 1286463163 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a very disagreaable bot there. < 1286463185 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Quick, learn to do memo-passing so that these new upstarts don't steal your place as the channel's most important person! < 1286463185 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you could also use " define" at http://www.common-lisp.net/ paste/ display/ fnord < 1286463186 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite the contrarian little bastard, yes < 1286463195 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1286463204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooo, lambdabot went < 1286463205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemmih :( < 1286463226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: fort < 1286463226 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I disagree! < 1286463227 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's "snark" < 1286463237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is mzstorkipiwanbot? < 1286463240 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a snark, to snark < 1286463244 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: hi < 1286463245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: no way < 1286463245 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: I disagree! < 1286463246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no a in it < 1286463248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like snrk < 1286463251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: a bot < 1286463254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: x < 1286463254 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I disagree! < 1286463254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: x < 1286463254 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I disagree! < 1286463254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: x < 1286463254 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I disagree! < 1286463263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I know < 1286463264 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's a silent a. < 1286463269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: can I hire you as an AI consultant? :| < 1286463270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is its only purpose to disagree with things? < 1286463273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently < 1286463274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems kind-of pointless < 1286463276 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: wat do i get < 1286463281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot, do you agree that you disagree with everything? < 1286463289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: do you agree that you disagree with everything? < 1286463289 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I disagree! < 1286463295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286463298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: happiness; the latest release of vagrant before maybe three other people < 1286463303 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who owns that bot? < 1286463306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_ < 1286463307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :checked IPs < 1286463308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286463325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_, you might want to add , to the list of things that goes after the nick < 1286463351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just make it reply to it whenever its name is mentioned >:) < 1286463371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, could get annoying, What if it happened when talking about something else? ;) < 1286463373 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: tempting < 1286463385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python really needs goto < 1286463403 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python has goto < 1286463413 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1286463419 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f0001(): blah blah; f0002() < 1286463427 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it needs gotoplus < 1286463429 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def f0002(): blah blaaa; f0003() < 1286463432 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean a call? < 1286463445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: that doesn't let me break out of a while loop < 1286463450 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, at the very least it should reply only if it sees its nick with word boundaries around; otherwise all the words that just happen to contain mzstorkipiwanbot as a substring would get replies. < 1286463451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it makes me write global < 1286463451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1286463454 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :de f0003(): if(blargh): f0001() < 1286463461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaddap < 1286463465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if blargh: < 1286463465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*def < 1286463467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, but python doesn't optimise tail calls iirc? < 1286463477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could write a trampoline < 1286463478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, not the same < 1286463479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed! < 1286463479 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: mine has less spaces. < 1286463483 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it doesn't < 1286463484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: yours has more bytse < 1286463490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Python also has a recursion depth limit of 1000 by default. < 1286463492 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: my bytse are fine. < 1286463516 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh cool, didn't know that < 1286463519 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed < 1286463528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bytes < 1286463530 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what about nesting depth? < 1286463531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so cheater's solution doesn't work < 1286463535 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: does too. < 1286463542 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for some time. < 1286463563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, aka: doesn't work < 1286463570 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not like we have a working model of a turing machine, so this conversation is moot < 1286463572 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The recursion limit is runtime-configurable, though: http://docs.python.org/library/sys.html#sys.setrecursionlimit -- there's a hard limit somewhere, of course. < 1286463585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, how so? < 1286463606 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because why would you talk about recursion limits outside of the interesting case of turing machines? < 1286463619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as for breaking out of loops, doesn't python have break [n] ? < 1286463628 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, so? < 1286463635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have break [n] < 1286463637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has break < 1286463640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't do that inside a function, duh < 1286463642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while x: f() < 1286463645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f() can't break out < 1286463645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah indeed < 1286463648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could raise an exception... < 1286463649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1286463653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286463655 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1286463656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1286463657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because mine sucks up the exception errors < 1286463659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1286463660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1286463661 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just going to say that < 1286463663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's longer than my current code < 1286463663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so meh < 1286463672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a=(k in'lun')-(k in'hyb');b=(k in'jbn')-(k in'kyu') < 1286463673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : X+=17<abs(X-x)and cmp(x,X);Y+=5<abs(Y-y)and cmp(y,Y) < 1286463676 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ these two lines are totally my favourites < 1286463693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, well, imagine a main loop of an httpd coded in python implementing in terms of your solution < 1286463698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, doesn't really work < 1286463712 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you will always have to return up the chain in the end < 1286463720 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't care for http < 1286463722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you exit the program < 1286463723 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a failed standard < 1286463725 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep below < 1286463732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, same goes for any sort of server though < 1286463736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :httpd was just an example < 1286463749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for cheater to claim the concept of "server" is failed too < 1286463793 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking to vorpal is a failed concept < 1286463862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, how so? < 1286463995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, btw read the annotation on iwc today < 1286464069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :claiming that http has failed is quite a bold statement... < 1286464081 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I misinterpret you? < 1286464163 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, long live gopher. Err.... <awkward pause> Anyone here a high level cleric? < 1286464173 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION raises hand < 1286464176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1286464220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: so do you want to do AI or not? :P < 1286464358 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i don't know < 1286464361 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if its goal was to free the elephants, it has indeed failed < 1286464369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: But those poor Qs. < 1286464383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: good thing it found a second job in serving Web pages, then < 1286464387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing what you can repurpose some things to < 1286464395 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: will you keep throwing my code away? < 1286464405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: only if it's really terrible < 1286464411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, in the "new packages" list for my phone there's the Gophernicus Gopher server. I don't really know why someone bothered to package *that*. < 1286464412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if I think of something even better < 1286464417 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: there was nothing terrible! < 1286464424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am stating my future policy :P < 1286464430 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286464437 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Apache license! < 1286464442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1286464453 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The package homepage URL is a gopher:// thing. :p < 1286464457 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's do it, sunshine < 1286464472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undesired implications < 1286464479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I'm not surprised < 1286464497 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what "sunshine" implies < 1286464506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if r(0,14):Q('Yum! That was delicious.');L+=int(0==r(0,2)and r(5,10)) < 1286464508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do I have int() there < 1286464539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i can quaff indefinitely < 1286464540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aewsome! < 1286464543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*awesome < 1286464544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater, I think alise is better described by "messoscale thunderstorm in snow blizzard" < 1286464557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "sunshine" < 1286464559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE VORPAL DOESN'T LIKE ME < 1286464560 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you can remove int() < 1286464564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed i can < 1286464588 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i told you talking to Vorpal is a failed concept < 1286464602 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/is/was < 1286464607 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is" is "was" golfed. < 1286464645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, golfing English, that might be fun < 1286464651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how well it would work though < 1286464792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: just getting this version a bit more polished < 1286464811 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: pls no heritage slurs < 1286464813 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :four-long talk < 1286464820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: what < 1286464845 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a snow blizzard. as opposed to a cake blizzard. < 1286464861 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what it would mean to "english" a code. < 1286464882 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put spin on it so it bounces off funny? < 1286464883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds a NEW FEATURE < 1286464899 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what feature would that be? < 1286464904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if k=='\n':D();continue < 1286464906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dismiss messages < 1286464908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without costing a turn < 1286464922 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you totally should set up bzr for this thing < 1286464928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate bzr. < 1286464933 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you should use it < 1286464937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1286464939 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as not to hate it afterwards < 1286464946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know i hate it for a fact. < 1286464955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's too small to version-control really. that would destroy the purity and fun. < 1286464971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, visual sourcesafe! < 1286464989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, dying is broken < 1286464993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just get informed that you die, every turn < 1286465004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and continue on with zero satiation and zero hp < 1286465013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if L<1:Q('You die...',1);D() < 1286465016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. that may be the issue < 1286465021 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed :P < 1286465068 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well we need to be able to work on it concurrently < 1286465079 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what about a screen with vim < 1286465082 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin and clog are your VCS for this thing < 1286465088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, i'm find merging in your changes when i tweak stuff < 1286465092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fine < 1286465093 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: give me axs 2 ur shell acnt < 1286465108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i trust exactly one person in the world with my shell and it's probably ais523 < 1286465124 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok, ais523 trusts me < 1286465128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I like the idea that you know how many people you trust, but aren't sure who they are < 1286465140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, I don't trust you, not to the extent of giving you access to someone else's trust indirectly < 1286465159 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :said ais523, in fact trusting me. < 1286465169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what? < 1286465173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: http://pastie.org/1205374.txt?key=rxu2wgg3efutkk6cfdpryw < 1286465179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've denoted where the AI needs to go < 1286465184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can drop the ,w; from the global list < 1286465185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't assign to w < 1286465308 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's add G's < 1286465321 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286465358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: :| < 1286465362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get Qs working first :P < 1286465384 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qs will work too < 1286465396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: this is why i didn't use your code :P < 1286465523 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286465613 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: please go away and drop the _ and come back so that you'll be your normal color again! alise and ais523 are already orange! < 1286465625 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yay pathological cases of hashing nicks to colors...) < 1286465644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashing IPs, or cloaks, would be more useful, relaly < 1286465645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*really < 1286465662 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1286465697 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but being able to manually swap people's colors would be most useful. this script doesn't do that and i'm too lazy to add that feature... < 1286465745 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what about adding shooting rays? < 1286465746 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286465754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: :| < 1286465760 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286465768 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286465771 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about puddings? < 1286465778 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286465796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286465798 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i can't really work on the code until tomorrow) < 1286465801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/gaqwdbng4srklx1adb2o6g your code here doesn't work btw < 1286465809 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what about replacing # walls with "|" and "-" walls, so that it's easy to string them together on the fly! < 1286465811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get floats out of the contraption...somehow < 1286465818 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks chris! < 1286465838 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, integer floats < 1286465845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KeyError: (11.0, -10.0) < 1286465860 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then int it < 1286465901 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer A+W root beer floats myself < 1286465937 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone invent a lang with that as a type < 1286465947 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would cast everything to it < 1286465958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: well either i patched it wrongly or your code is messed up :D < 1286465967 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked for me < 1286465978 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286465980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw your use of s is unwise < 1286465981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s is the screen < 1286466005 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1286466008 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s isn't being used there < 1286466015 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i use s for something else < 1286466021 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you getting confused by this? < 1286466030 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: does cheater have a copy of the latest optimized code? < 1286466041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but he can't work on it < 1286466049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: no, but it also didn't work the last time I tried it < 1286466049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1286466057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python scoping is fucked < 1286466068 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so T gets called for every X, Y? < 1286466083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T just advances the turn < 1286466086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quaffing does it too < 1286466092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1201977.txt?key=gaqwdbng4srklx1adb2o6g ;; i swear this doesn't work < 1286466093 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i put ai code in T? < 1286466100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start it, space, Qs break lightspeed crazily < 1286466102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :space, it crashes < 1286466111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: read the rest of the code and you'll see why < 1286466112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all logic goes into T < 1286466117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything that happens once a turn < 1286466127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*such as other characters like AIs moving* < 1286466147 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so monsters can only move when i move? < 1286466156 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is getting more and more drod-like... < 1286466160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do something else that takes a turn < 1286466161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like quaffing < 1286466164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no, nethack-like < 1286466166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: back me up here < 1286466173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monsters in nethack only move when you take a turn, yes? < 1286466179 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: turn-based; your character thinks quickly, but the player might not < 1286466187 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monsters in nethack are lame < 1286466191 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, #esoteric isn't on lambdabot's join list < 1286466191 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the game pauses when you're not acting to give the player time to think < 1286466193 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :players should think quicker < 1286466198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it was manually joined < 1286466211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: also Crawl, Angband < 1286466211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rogue < 1286466214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hack < 1286466236 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any realtime roguelikes? < 1286466237 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: just saying, T doesn't seem like the right placer < 1286466241 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would use D() < 1286466242 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure they had very good technical limitations in their original implementations that made realtime monsters unwise < 1286466244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: err, no < 1286466247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D() is called on, e.g. enter < 1286466248 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have come out of the dark ages now! < 1286466250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which just dismisses a message < 1286466252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without advancing the turn < 1286466253 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was about to say "don't say trankesbel", but that isn't this channel) < 1286466256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of *course* it should not be in D() < 1286466264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: seriously? < 1286466266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called a roguelike < 1286466282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you apparently don't have the imagination to appreciate it < 1286466294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not; is it vapourware? i googled < 1286466298 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the imagination to appreciate a rogueimprovment more than a roguelike < 1286466302 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's the PSOX of another channel < 1286466306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, I've forgotten which < 1286466314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh multiplayer < 1286466327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: dude... < 1286466330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever played nethack? < 1286466334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every game after rogue is an improvement < 1286466341 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1286466342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making monsters realtime makes the game suck < 1286466355 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might make yours better < 1286466355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing all thinking, skill and planning < 1286466362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just turning it into a third-person shooter with bad graphics < 1286466369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, some players specialise in thinking really quickly < 1286466373 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's not much in the way of puzzles in your game... < 1286466378 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've spent several minutes planning a move before < 1286466381 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Sokoban? < 1286466394 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sokoban is cool < 1286466396 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1286466401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: from the trankesbel guy: [[My best achievement is ascending 29 times in a row (that is, not dying between ascensions).]] < 1286466410 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I know him on IRC quite well < 1286466418 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's as far as anyone knows the current world record for that < 1286466419 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what makes it cool is that it has actual maps that a programmer thought about carefully! < 1286466428 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same person /also/ holds the world record for winning NetHack in realtime < 1286466430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Other stuff include ascending in 1 hours 42 minutes (2009 /dev/null)" fffwhat < 1286466431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at under 2 hours < 1286466442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://genodeen.net/a_wins.png ;; what did /dev/null ever do to him < 1286466445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm adding commentary to the recording of that run, pretty slowly < 1286466464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Krokotiilinhammaskeittokirja (Damage calculation tool)" < 1286466468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a hilariously terrible name < 1286466485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he admins pinobot? < 1286466489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1286466494 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you find out about pinobot? < 1286466519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, you told me to use it when playing nethack < 1286466525 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, aha < 1286466530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly anyone knows about it, you see < 1286466532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it not well-known or something? < 1286466532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286466535 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh i have to go back to grading < 1286466541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Krokotiilinhammaskeittokirja is Finnish for (approximately) "crocodile tooth cookbook", in case that wasn't explained there. < 1286466551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it wasn't < 1286466561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://genodeen.net/index.clua?df_stuff ;; Hey, a way to play Dwarf Fortress in Linux nicely. < 1286466584 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was surprised that you did < 1286466585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was surprised that you did < 1286466586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/ping ais523 < 1286466615 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: consider what i said about walls! (i even know a way you could dynamically generate rooms without actually having to spend lines and lines of code setting them up) < 1286466632 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: do tell? < 1286466638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> so I was surprised that you did < 1286466639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> so I was surprised that you did < 1286466639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> */ping ais523 < 1286466650 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I was having connection trouble < 1286466653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was pinging myself < 1286466662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I tried again, so I typed the key sequence to repeat a linea < 1286466663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*line < 1286466668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and accidentally repeated the wrong line < 1286466676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, it's not that implausible a correction when you know the background < 1286466692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's just that me pinging myself isn't sent to the channel) < 1286466757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : U+=U>0;N+=1;S-=S>0;L%=301;L-=25*(L and S<1) < 1286466759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an if in sight < 1286466787 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: did you figure out that k bug? < 1286466792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*j bug? < 1286466799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which j bug? < 1286466804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost remember what you're saying < 1286466817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where you hold down j and the turncount goes negative < 1286466837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286466843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not negative < 1286466844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just backwards < 1286466853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed by refreshing the screen each turn and getting all cargo cult about that < 1286466921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, actually i can make that one line shorter < 1286466929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, did you figure it out? < 1286466931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286466981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not one line < 1286466982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one statement < 1286467089 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dark ages of turn based strategy... ye-e-e-es < 1286467121 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need some non-turn-based interactive fiction, too < 1286467130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286467133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1286467203 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of times i have died at zangband by moving without considering my position well enough, i cannot count < 1286467242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether quaffing when you have no potions should take a turn. < 1286467243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Nah. < 1286467349 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286467381 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the PSOX of another channel" < 1286467439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: are you admiring my analogy? < 1286467447 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1286467455 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of swimming in its depth < 1286467525 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286467580 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is clog working? < 1286467605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was having trouble recently < 1286467610 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it started working again < 1286467613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it stopped working again? < 1286467628 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be working < 1286467635 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it logged "Is clog working?" < 1286467663 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure whether or not to bother checking logs < 1286468384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, my hallu is flawed < 1286468389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can redraw as much as you want < 1286468396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which lets you determine where everything is, to high accuracy < 1286468401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because redrawing causes re-hallucination < 1286468416 0 :MigoMipo__!~John@84-217-13-7.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286468453 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286468609 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286468921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, and not long after making these photos, I was stopped and interviewed by a police officer, who searched my camera bag, on grounds of suspicious activity, potentially related to terrorism. I have a carbon copy of the police report sheet to prove it." --DMM on London < 1286468927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am I not surprised? < 1286468983 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really, either < 1286469002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the photo was of the *tower of london* < 1286469008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, taking photos of it is suspicious < 1286469017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to help a friend escape from there, treasoner! < 1286469020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I was once moved by an armed police officer < 1286469031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you "know" it? not "remember" it? < 1286469035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I was accidentally standing in the way of an official car that wanted to drive into Buckingham Palace < 1286469048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286469049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, it seems like a really absurd thing to plant a false memory of < 1286469056 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-7.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286469072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would have just omitted the "I know" < 1286469112 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I know *I* was once... < 1286469121 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly normal rhetorical device imo < 1286469123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1286469126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1286469133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i initially interpreted it as that < 1286469139 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but discarded it as meaningless before finishing for some reason < 1286469153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it expands to something like "well I only know that info about DMM second-hand, but here's a first-hand story..." < 1286469170 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you are debugging hallucination code, so it's understandable < 1286469205 0 :MigoMipo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1286469300 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-13-7.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286469425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not debugging it < 1286469429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind it being broken < 1286469430 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1286469451 0 :MigoMipo__!~John@84-217-13-7.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286469592 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286469633 0 :nooga!~nooga@adel244.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1286469637 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fho < 1286469929 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bk < 1286469970 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kb < 1286470056 0 :MigoMipo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286470072 0 :MigoMipo__!~John@84-217-13-7.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286470112 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's PSOX? < 1286470129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-oh... < 1286470132 0 :MigoMipo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1286470136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: care to explain? < 1286470156 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it is, or why it's memefied? < 1286470159 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-7.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286470239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think cheater was asking the first < 1286470252 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, you can subvert the meme this time by taking it back to its roots < 1286470303 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1286470306 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's psox? < 1286470333 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX is something that sits between a program, typically written in an stdio-only esolang, and stdio < 1286470352 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It intercepts output, and treats it as commands to do things like open files or open sockets < 1286470355 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286470363 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And feeds the results back into the program's input < 1286470373 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it a meme? < 1286470402 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1286470453 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overzealous promotion, vaporware for a time, and despite having language-independence as a goal, it made many assumptions that inconvenience languages other than Brainfuck < 1286470490 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rejected one of the spiritual ancestors of PSOX precisely because it assumed the concept of cells < 1286470510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And some semantic issues.. or was that something else?) < 1286470664 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me < 1286470681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vapourware always :) < 1286470685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least for the stuff yuo said itw ould be able to do < 1286470687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you *would < 1286470703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be a good model for a PSOX-alike? telnet! < 1286470716 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286470804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hell no :P < 1286470831 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286470950 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1286470956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- < 1286470960 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, all better. < 1286470989 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, what did Sgeo assert PSOX would be able to do? < 1286471011 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought psox was phantasy star online xbox < 1286471047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, just because I never got around to the file stuff before abandoning it? < 1286471057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or network iirc < 1286471060 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And did I ever actually PROMISE a GUI domain? < 1286471061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i may be wrong there < 1286471063 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The network stuff works < 1286471094 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq wrote a wget.b < 1286471097 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1286471120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall that < 1286471220 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to watch some SG-1 < 1286471281 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, for some larger operators, it is estimated that the Carrier Grade NAT logs one would have to keep would take about 2EB of space... That's A LOT. < 1286471308 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286471361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet people still don't get the message about IPv6 < 1286471370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:48:37 <fizzie> There's the Jatravartids of Viltvodle VI, who believe the Universe was sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure, and who fear the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief. < 1286471371 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EB aren't out of range for modern technology, though, IIRC < 1286471375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, tell me you typed that from memory. < 1286471396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: carrier grade logs -- you mean legally mandated stuff? < 1286471402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not so hot with networking < 1286471419 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I mean "Carrier Grade NAT". < 1286471440 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And yes, legally mandated logs. Currently one can get by with much smaller logs. < 1286471441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286471451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: obviously we will just legislate away the logs < 1286471455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after Verizon and Comcast complain < 1286471460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we = everyone :) < 1286471538 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse yet, even those logs will not be as useful for handling abuse as what currently exist. < 1286471572 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286471599 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since time skew would seriously hamper process. Yes, there's NTP, but still a lot of clocks are wrong. < 1286471686 0 :pineal_aenimal!pineal_aen@209.97.91.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286471709 0 :pineal_aenimal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ello anyone < 1286471796 0 :pineal_aenimal!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286471866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:06:43 * ais523 continues to wonder wtf expect programs (written in TCL) run, given that TCL isn't installed < 1286471871 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: expect actually has tcl compiled in < 1286471879 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was explained some other time < 1286471883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's, like, an alternative main.c or something iirc < 1286471886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wow, I made that statement ages ago < 1286471890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: shut up i can logread as far back as I want :D < 1286471893 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only 27th August) < 1286472079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION examines in album's waveforms in Audacity < 1286472083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, atrocious clipping < 1286472084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1286472091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should remaster it properly sometime < 1286472217 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, new esolang suggestion: 2D with two commands (NOP /not/ allowed, you have to use one or the other command everywhere up to the edge of the program): G rotates the IP left unless the current tape element is 0, X going left/right/up/down respectively is equivalent to BF < > + - respectively, tape is bignum, signed, and is initialised to start with 1 everywhere, IP starts going downwards at the top-left of the program < 1286472237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out if it's TC; with NOPs, it's relatively clearly possible to compile BF-minus-IO into it < 1286472262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by separating the tape into a series of "always positive / junk / data / always positive / junk / data", etc < 1286472268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have an interp yet < 1286472288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not quite clear how the lack of NOPs affects it, but I think (am unsure) it's still TC anyway < 1286472655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1286472748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tripwire2 >>>++++++++++++++<---------->>>>>>([>([+++++[-]>]>)*20>)*20[[[-]-]-] < 1286472830 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_tripwire2: 0.0 < 1286472841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that's suspiciously low < 1286472887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two draws, though, so it's not like it's an autolose program < 1286472988 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286473102 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My head is now filled with self-replicating machines. < 1286473109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figuratively, of course. < 1286473128 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suppose it probably is in a literal sense, as well. < 1286473190 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if one can consider meat a machine... < 1286473223 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that are really neat: neuroplasticity et al. < 1286473281 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it was ALWAYS literally so. < 1286473293 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286473318 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286473319 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the neurons themselves aren't self-replicating any more AFAIU. < 1286473323 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286473325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tripwire2 >>>++++++++++++++<---------->>>>>>([>([+++++[-]>]>)*20]>)*20[[[-]-]-] < 1286473335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was a missing bracket, I'm amazed it actually got anywhere at all < 1286473337 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_tripwire2: 21.5 < 1286473343 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286473343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, that's better < 1286473362 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I just knocked GreaseMonkey off the leaderboard altogether < 1286473446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1286473448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nostalgia! < 1286473482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't say the human brain can self-replicate < 1286473484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the body as a whole < 1286473486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the brain as the cpu < 1286473492 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neurons can't actually replicate < 1286473498 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stem cells can replicate, and transform themselves into neurons < 1286473506 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the neurons themselves are no longer capable of replication < 1286473934 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SHOO!" "You could ask me to leave more politely." "I could. I choose not to." < 1286474037 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I was referring to the various bacteria and such in my sinuses and throat. < 1286474053 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-114.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286474053 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1286474088 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-114.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286474136 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1286474136 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust <program name> <program> < 1286474142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1286474144 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1286474170 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ehird < 1286474262 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286474292 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1286474406 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Still, defend7 is doing a hell of a lot better than tripwire2, so :P < 1286474435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: heh, defend7 IIRC actually has some anti-tripwire code < 1286474444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded < 1286474451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it didn't, tripwire2 would beat it any day < 1286474455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's right, there are so many monsters that my message-printing function crashed. < 1286474457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I see the score tables for BFjoust/ < 1286474465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/report.txt < 1286474532 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the convoluted but semi-logical algorithm by which I calculated scores :P < 1286474565 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's in report.c if I wanted to remember ... < 1286474617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you even documented it < 1286474628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/SCORES < 1286474672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if w.get(v)==81: < 1286474672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : w[v]=82;Q(w[v]) < 1286474678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Somehow* this prompts "81" all the time. < 1286474682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T GET IT < 1286474699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286474701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot to save :D < 1286474726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1286474727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot an elif < 1286474779 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder what evolutionary BF Joust would be like < 1286475028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a lab < 1286475065 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy a labcoat. < 1286475070 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a LAB will come to YOU! < 1286475087 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286475113 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, no, defend7 doesn't have counter-tripwire code < 1286475118 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is tripwire2 losing to it? < 1286475147 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's more defensive than tripwire is trip-wiry? < 1286475165 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286475181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole point of tripwiring (one of the few tactics that worked in BF Joust 1) is to ignore the first of your opponent's decoys (or more, but that's really risky) < 1286475187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1286475189 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1286475189 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use: !bfjoust <program name> <program> . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1286475205 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend7 does place one extra decoy, so it does defeat the tripwire < 1286475218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tripwire2 >>>++++++++++++++<---------->>>>>>([>>([+++++[-]>]>)*20]>)*20[[[-]-]-] < 1286475228 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_tripwire2: 27.6 < 1286475232 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try a double-tripwire; this did insanely badly last time I tried, but it may work better in today's metagame < 1286475237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it did < 1286475263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and now beats defend7) < 1286475263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"metagame" :P < 1286475278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tripwire2 >>>++++++++++++++<---------->>>>>>([>>>([+++++[-]>]>)*20]>)*20[[[-]-]-] < 1286475287 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_tripwire2: 33.8 < 1286475298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder how many tripwires I can get away with? < 1286475306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tripwire2 >>>++++++++++++++<---------->>>>>>([>>>>([+++++[-]>]>)*20]>)*20[[[-]-]-] < 1286475318 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_tripwire2: 29.8 < 1286475323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like three is the optimal number < 1286475326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tripwire2 >>>++++++++++++++<---------->>>>>>([>>>([+++++[-]>]>)*20]>)*20[[[-]-]-] < 1286475333 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_tripwire2: 33.8 < 1286475337 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say "I'm gonna go with three" :P < 1286475344 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just the optimal number for this hill. < 1286475347 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1286475353 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286475377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, tripwire actually has a positive overall rating < 1286475382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty rare to get one of those onto the hill that quickly < 1286475391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, my hallu now has a cure < 1286475394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(potions help alleviate it) < 1286475413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 losses, one to defend7 (where a tripwire trips over the defenses altogether and lands on the other side of the flag) < 1286475453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's actually possible to survive hunger if you get like 100 potions. < 1286475471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(being hungry deducts 25 HP per turn) < 1286475476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and potions give 20 < 1286475492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hungry=no satiation, that is < 1286475503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have enough HP, and enough potions to last you until you get to the nearby food... < 1286475518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a maxhp? < 1286475527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 < 1286475541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may make money useful, say, < 1286475546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher max hp the more money you have < 1286475560 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cheesey_ < 1286475561 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPITALIST PIG < 1286475564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ wc -c vagrant.py < 1286475564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1536 vagrant.py < 1286475567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good, I think < 1286475568 0 :cheesey_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1286475586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19.2 "standard" (80 col) lines < 1286475594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing newline with something else, that is < 1286475605 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just need to make monsters work now :P < 1286475732 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tripwire2 >>>>>>>([>>>([+++++[-]>]>)*20]>)*20[[[-]-]-] < 1286475741 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_tripwire2: 17.3 < 1286475746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust tripwire2 >>>++++++++++++++<---------->>>>>>([>>>([+++++[-]>]>)*20]>)*20[[[-]-]-] < 1286475751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it seems you /do/ need decoys < 1286475754 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_tripwire2: 33.8 < 1286476000 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vagrant? < 1286476100 0 :augur_!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286476107 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286476206 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking for an idea for a complicated programs in C++ and C# < 1286476220 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebKit < 1286476235 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's in ObjC, surely? < 1286476245 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++, it's from KHTML remember. < 1286476259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how he lost 5 HP < 1286476273 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not enough entrepreneurship. < 1286476280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: vagrant is my lovely little golfed roguelike < 1286476316 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Is there an actual roguelike golf out there, or are you just making it 'cuz you can? < 1286476319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1635 bytes of Python -- well, 1634, the newline at the end is irrelevant -- and, although it doesn't have monsters that actually fight you yet, it's surprisingly feature...ful < 1286476324 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the latter, I have a GC in <700 lines of C :P < 1286476344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The latter. Well, there was a 1k roguelike competition a while ago on that usenet group, but it only got like three submissions and half were in C# and Java and shit. < 1286476351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, half of three!) < 1286476356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, I've broken the 1k barrier already. < 1286476366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By doing things like this: < 1286476371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : w.update(q);U+=U>0;N+=1;S-=S>0;L%=301;L-=25*(L and S<1) < 1286476372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : w[y,x]=32;x+=a;y+=b;w[y,x]=64;X+=17<abs(X-x)and cmp(x,X);Y+=5<abs(Y-y)and cmp(y,Y);D() < 1286476373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a=(k in'lun')-(k in'hyb');b=(k in'jbn')-(k in'kyu') < 1286476375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if P and L+20<301:q=min(P,20);L+=q;U+=q*3*(U>0);P-=q;T() < 1286476377 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, one was in both C# and Java, another was in C, and one was in Java with JNI using C stuff? < 1286476387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=w[v];s.addch(B-Y,A-X,choice(W)if U and 0==r(0,2)and q-32 else q) < 1286476388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : s.addstr(22,0,'_'*80);C('$:%-17s T:%-17s S:%-17s HP:%-3s (%s)'%(G,N,S,L,P));global V;V();V=lambda:1;s.move(y-Y+11,x-X+40) < 1286476417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: My messaging system is awesome. Guess how it works. Actually it doesn't really work but there you go. < 1286476461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it does. < 1286476575 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The international hub for esoterica, the occult, astrology, esoteric topics in computing and programming languages, astral projection, necromancy and scientology | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286476597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: don't < 1286476604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :< pikhq> Microsoft Word: the worst program to design web pages in, and this *includes* Malbolge. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286476610 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: BUT THOU MUST < 1286476683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, can anyone explain this? leaning on my touchpad in a certain way causes all the pixels in the client area of my IRC client (but not the window border or tabs, etc, so it's clearly software-involved somehow) < 1286476691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> Gregor: don't < 1286476692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1286476697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funnier that way < 1286476702 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Totally NOT the international hub for esoterica, the occult, astrology, astral projection, necromancy and scientology | But actually IS the international hub for esoteric topics in computing and programming languages | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286476724 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't correspond to left/right/middle-clicking, or any sort of mouse movement AFAICT < 1286476727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what input's being sent? < 1286476735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"leaning on my touchpad in a certain way causes all the pixels in the client area of my IRC client (but not the window border or tabs, etc, so it's clearly software-involved somehow)" < 1286476738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :causes all of them WHAT? < 1286476745 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think my bot should be an esolang interpreter HEAR ME OUT < 1286476745 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It just causes them. < 1286476747 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to move to the left < 1286476749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It just causes all of them!" < 1286476750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ha, snap < 1286476755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They wouldn't exist if not for leaning on the --- damn :P < 1286476758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you mispinged me :P < 1286476766 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew I'd missed something from the sentence, just wasn't sure what < 1286476771 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language that just happens to overlap the irc protocol and thus work as a bot < 1286476779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I was actually writing that before you wrote your thing, so I was telling him that :P < 1286476794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(anyway, the main reason is that by attempting to define esoterica, there's bound to be someone who stumbles in here by mistake, disagrees with our definition, and flames us all for the rest of our lives < 1286476795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1286476805 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Mah brain axplote. < 1286476828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was in response to <alise> causes all of them WHAT? < 1286476832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you write it before that too? < 1286476845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I wrote it before that, that's what I'm saying. < 1286476855 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :peanut butter, the teachings of Henry XVI of Lithuania, rooftop supports, neutrinos | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286476858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that's better < 1286476895 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lithuanians sure do have funny surnames < 1286476896 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :George Carver did not invent peanut butter | Not that we're racist or anything | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286476899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: right < 1286476929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Peanut butter | The teachings of Henry XVI of Lithuania | Rooftop supports | Burma Shave | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286476954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOPIC FIGHT < 1286476997 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :This channel is not about whatever you think it's about | Unless that's Lithuanian peanut-butter-based shaving creme | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286477008 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPROMISE! :P < 1286477022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I like it < 1286477025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really mean creme there? < 1286477037 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I'm keeping it. < 1286477072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely it should be crème? < 1286477077 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1286477082 0 :trdrkia!5b697225@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286477090 0 :trdrkia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, cool, i thought nobody was as crazy as me to try it < 1286477095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286477101 0 :trdrkia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im from lithuania and i made some shaving cream with peantu butter... < 1286477102 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :This channel is not about whatever you think it's about | Unless that's Lithuanian peanut-butter-based shaving crème | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286477107 0 :trdrkia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**peanut sorry my english isn't so good :)) < 1286477119 0 :trdrkia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are you guys'' experiences ? < 1286477122 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: your IP gives you away < 1286477132 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286477132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, great performance art < 1286477133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: NO MY WHOLE COUNTRY IS ON A NIC < 1286477141 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1286477141 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286477145 0 :trdrkia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is true, alise is president of lithuania < 1286477158 0 :trdrkia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a song about it: "$*("Y!£HNO CARRIER < 1286477159 0 :trdrkia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1286477163 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1286477166 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Colloquy is certainly the worst IRC client there is. < 1286477172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It is pretty bad. < 1286477174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Try LimeChat. < 1286477179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://limechat.net/mac/ < 1286477180 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN DOOOOO < 1286477181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got what plants crave! < 1286477212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if LimeChat has /ignore yet, but hey, what can you do. < 1286477214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It probably does.) < 1286477225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1286477229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 2010-05, which is... May? < 1286477230 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ignore is for pussies anyway. < 1286477259 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor has OMNI PERCEPTION < 1286477264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real men face their enemies! < 1286477279 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf ... it won't let me install RubyCocoa ... < 1286477284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude. < 1286477287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your OS includes it. < 1286477290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you're post-Tiger. < 1286477296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cloud.github.com/downloads/psychs/limechat/LimeChat_2.15.tbz < 1286477298 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot what stupid name corresponds to what. < 1286477301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copy .app, done. < 1286477311 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw "Snow Leopard" and went "know I don't have that", so skipped right to the next one. < 1286477317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawl < 1286477317 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missing that "Leopard" was there too. < 1286477340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You probably want to go to LimeChat -> Preferencse -> Log -> Untick "Show image links inline." < 1286477349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would change http://totallygoatse/ into you know what. < 1286477360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it does it for YouTube links too. < 1286477366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It may not even be enabled by default; I don't know.) < 1286477368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I just noticed the zzo38 take on BF Joust < 1286477370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a good client though. < 1286477384 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have been laughing for over a minute < 1286477389 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just so... different from how I think of it < 1286477394 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it might nonetheless be a decent game < 1286477398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1286477406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you laugh at *way* too little < 1286477422 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:BF_Joust < 1286477424 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know < 1286477431 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not really quantity, but unexpectedness < 1286477438 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some things I find funny that other people don't, and vice versa < 1286477474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what zzo's like in real life < 1286477482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dearly hope he speaks exactly like on IRC < 1286477524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like how he turned it into a card betting game. < 1286477526 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now on LimeChat. < 1286477532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes skill. < 1286477534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: indeed < 1286477543 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a mix between BF Joust and poker < 1286477544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Notice the lesser amount of pain. < 1286477549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Gregor: You probably want to go to LimeChat -> Preferencse -> Log -> Untick "Show image links inline." < 1286477553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could actually do BF Joust without the BF < 1286477557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is indeed ticked by default. < 1286477567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on your turn, you can: do nothing; check if your current location is 0; adjust your current location + or -; move < or > < 1286477576 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Why does that exist, and why is it under "Log" ... < 1286477590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Log" is LimeChat's name for the thing you see on screen. < 1286477595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual displayed meat of the channel. < 1286477596 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you can play it as a competitive game between humans < 1286477600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's Japanese :P < 1286477608 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for why it exists: #goatse obvs < 1286477618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that'd be rather slow, I imagine < 1286477621 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Of course it is, it's in Ruby. < 1286477628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh snap. < 1286477641 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: now I'm wondering if that channel exists < 1286477643 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-13-7.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286477649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: rather easy way to find out < 1286477652 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286477654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I'd join it, even if it did exist < 1286477659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You have been kicked from #goatse by ChanServ (Invite only channel) < 1286477667 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very exclusive anal-stretching channel. < 1286477667 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1286477672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need an invite. < 1286477681 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to post relevant pics to the moderator before being allowed to join. < 1286477691 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they discuss techniques, skills, etc. < 1286477714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You use a bouncer, right? Which? < 1286477720 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: bip < 1286477734 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is precisely one modicum less terrible than the other ones I've used :P < 1286477742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ah, shame. I had some code that made LimeChat work with my bouncer's automatic scrollback feature, actually modifying the time fields and stuff. < 1286477748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that it looked like you'd been in there all this time. < 1286477755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eh* < 1286477755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Have you seen http://miau.sourceforge.net/? < 1286477758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty good bouncer < 1286477786 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used bip only because it was recommended at me *shrugs* < 1286477794 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just recommended miau at you :P < 1286477803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't recall whether I used psyBNC or miau at the time I wrote that code though. < 1286477807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psyBNC is terrible. < 1286477810 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late, bip got recommended at me earlier. < 1286477831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with switching bouncers is that it's (potentially) yet another different log format. < 1286477852 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't log on the bouncer, I only log via xchat, and my xchat is always connected. < 1286477877 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that'd destroy my main reason for having a bouncer, which is to make switching actual IRC clients a lot easier. < 1286477894 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switching LOCATIONS is what's vital, not clients. < 1286477901 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on my laptop, at school right now. < 1286477907 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my home computer is still on. < 1286477924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who use the "school" terminology post-school weird me out. < 1286477925 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286477927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WEIRD ME OUT I say. < 1286477927 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the primary reason for me to have a bouncer is because having my hostname be codu.org is pretty damned suave. < 1286477933 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1286477936 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So, Americans. < 1286477943 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: do you have something stable? < 1286477945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Since all Americans call all forms of education "school" < 1286477959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you're a Ph.D. student right? < 1286477963 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1286477974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard a Ph.D. student talk about going to school in the present tense, or anyone reference a Ph.D. student doing so :P < 1286477985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they're the world's most retarded Ph.D. student, in which case maybe they go to little school too. < 1286477997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like theolog--*shot by the pope*) < 1286478004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm an idiot savant. I know computer science, not how to tie my shoes. < 1286478044 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To each his own, I guess; I used to, and still do, run a permanently connected irssi that I'd ssh into for switching locations and having a zem.fi host; I just went bouncy to be able to experiment with clients without it messing logging and so. < 1286478083 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :savant < 1286478124 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :savant != i know computer science and i'm completely antisocial nerd that gets annoyed by daylight < 1286478124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone ever build an archiving system on ar before tar came along? < 1286478152 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286478153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, an ar file that has a __DIRECTORIES file with a list of A, B and C separated by newlines, < 1286478155 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286478161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that means the A.ar, B.ar, C.ar files inside are more directories < 1286478295 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Sarcasm (n) < 1286478320 0 :antivigilante__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286478320 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286478440 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I think cpio and tar came about precisely because ar was insufficient for real archiving :P < 1286478453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not insufficient, just handicapped! >___> < 1286478471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, you forgot pax. < 1286478483 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pax postdated by like a decade both cpio and tar < 1286478493 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, pax came about because of limitations in cpio and tar :P < 1286478495 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay pax < 1286478502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Correct response: < 1286478506 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, I really didn't forget pax." < 1286478510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: < 1286478511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I wish. < 1286478513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wish." < 1286478552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish UNIX folks would switch to a random-access-aware compression and archival format. < 1286478566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like PAX! < 1286478574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Furthermore, "pax" means "peace" in Latin, so name implies it shall create peace between the tar and cpio format supporters.]] < 1286478577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: tar and pax are random-access-aware when decompressed < 1286478589 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"COMPRESSION AND ARCHIVAL" < 1286478592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, it worked, when's the last time you saw a tar/cpio flamewar? < 1286478606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, even HP-UX's bizarre .gz.tar files are better than .tar.whateverz < 1286478613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pax is what happens when the IEEE tries to design software! < 1286478621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...gz.tar? < 1286478621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1286478628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is every file inside gz'd or something? < 1286478629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: gzip files, /then/ tar them < 1286478633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1286478642 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Gives you random access to compressed files. < 1286478658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but AAAAAAAA < 1286478668 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind, HP-UX uses that format for installable packges, which have no use for random-access, but anywho :P < 1286478672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.xz.cpio *mwahahahaha* < 1286478684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.lzma.cab < 1286478690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lols irl < 1286478697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: .xz is lzma btw :P < 1286478702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(.lzma is deprecated) < 1286478703 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only BETTAR < 1286478706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(older format) < 1286478712 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: .cab.tar.cpio.cab < 1286478725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.cab.cab.cab < 1286478736 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.Z.iso.shar < 1286478737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cab! Wonderful cab! < 1286478740 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there's 3DES; why not 3cab. < 1286478744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cab, cab, cab, cab, cab, cab, cab, cab... < 1286478770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: .ext3.ext2.ext.reiserfs.7z.ar < 1286478779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember I had a class that required submissions in .shar format. < 1286478780 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Windows public-access computers in the EE computer labs here used to automatically rename .tar.gz files to .tar.tar < 1286478781 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So bizarre. < 1286478782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no apparent reason < 1286478797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well, you can read shars without uncompressing them < 1286478802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: .zip.pax < 1286478804 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they used to be common on Usenet for that reason < 1286478806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free as in Free 30-Day Trial! < 1286478814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Except when they're not. < 1286478816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.rar, for better effect < 1286478822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, yes < 1286478825 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.ace < 1286478836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: GNU shar can produce base64'd, gzip'd shars. < 1286478844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not by default, mind) < 1286478845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the man page says that people get annoyed when you post them to Usenet < 1286478850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: .lha.nrg < 1286478853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nero disk image) < 1286478853 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I seem to recall the submission program that's official but nobody actually uses here recompressing .tar.gz files, so you'd get a file named .tar.gz, but that was actually a .tar.gz.gz < 1286478857 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: For obvious reasons. < 1286478858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is surprisingly annoying to extract. < 1286478867 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I can guess what you mean there < 1286478869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Might as well just MIME encode a tarball at that point. < 1286478873 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why is gzip filename-sensitive anyway?) < 1286478897 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to gunzip, rename the result, then tar zxf < 1286478898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because gzip has a badly-designed UI < 1286478910 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more a very specific UI < 1286478917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bad UI. < 1286478918 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for the most common use-case, bad in other cases < 1286478918 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course you'd never remember that it's doing this to you, so first you'd tar zxf, then it'll say "this shit ain't no tar" < 1286478922 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.115.83.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286478937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: EgoBot's working again, if that's what you're here for < 1286478943 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's even been movement on the hill today < 1286478945 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks :-) < 1286478960 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVIL movement. < 1286478960 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People need to PM me when it's not working :P < 1286478961 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For uncommon usecases, you pretty much want to use it as a filter; it'll be annoying otherwise. < 1286478967 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I joined #esolang first and wondered where everyone disappeared to :-) < 1286478973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pax -wf /dev/fd0 . < 1286478973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATTENTION! pax archive volume change required. < 1286478973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/fd0 ready for archive volume: 2 < 1286478973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Load the NEXT STORAGE MEDIA (if required) and make sure it is WRITE ENABLED. < 1286478973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type "y" to continue, "." to quit pax, or "s" to switch to new device. < 1286478974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you cannot change storage media, type "s" < 1286478976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the device ready and online? > < 1286478978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Unix. < 1286479010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pax splits across drives? < 1286479017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup! < 1286479021 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just making a BF Joust wiki page, so I wanted to test an example < 1286479024 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real men cat then extract. < 1286479026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a very un-unixy UI :P < 1286479027 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, across disks < 1286479028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one drive < 1286479030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catstrat < 1286479041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: in which wiki? < 1286479048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The best archive format is "cat directory" (works on at least Plan 9 and NetBSD!) < 1286479056 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-94-63.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286479056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's system-dependent... but who cares, it's simple! < 1286479062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of thing would you use random-access compression for? < 1286479066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat files | compress < 1286479070 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: wtfbbq? < 1286479071 0 :antivigilante__!~antivigil@174-26-94-63.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286479075 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: does that actually give you the files in the directory? or just the metadata? < 1286479081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just the metadata, actually < 1286479084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever < 1286479087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The best archive format is a filesystem dump containing just the required inodes and blocks. < 1286479088 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://programminggames.org/BF-Joust.ashx < 1286479091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286479093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Pretty sure it just spits out the filesystem metadata. < 1286479105 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: .ashx ... you lose forever. < 1286479120 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ash as in the shell? < 1286479122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that would actually be pretty awesome: arche2fs /dev/sda1 /home/pikhq/some_dir) < 1286479123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1286479130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ash(1) Server Pages" < 1286479134 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ash.NET < 1286479174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Waitwaitwait, *Almquist shell* CGI? < 1286479201 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I already said that. < 1286479207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It isn't. < 1286479210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ASP shit. < 1286479216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASP MUST DIE < 1286479218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it SHOULD be ash. < 1286479224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nono, ASP.NET! < 1286479225 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I didn't actually write any .NET, just picked a Wiki that used a flat file. < 1286479226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zsh! < 1286479232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could at least respect CGI in asp. < 1286479234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Emacs of shells! < 1286479239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: quick, link to BobTHAbsentee's tracking system < 1286479240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: *ash < 1286479246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. < 1286479258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: TiddlyWiki? < 1286479261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nomic.bob-space.com/agoralog.aspx < 1286479274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TiddlyWiki doesn't support server writes without evil. < 1286479278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Behold ^ < 1286479280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what ais523 said) < 1286479293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Especially view source, look at __VIEWSTATE. < 1286479299 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man zshall is nearly 1.3M long. < 1286479307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: All of Agora relied on this not that long ago. < 1286479311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man bash is only about 3K. < 1286479314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then he left, I think he had his, what, sixth kid? < 1286479315 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*300K < 1286479316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the game collapsed! < 1286479321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ah. Well, there must be *something* better... < 1286479332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BEHOLD THE ASP.NET PAIN < 1286479345 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu, explain! < 1286479347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's Wikit; the in-Tcl single-file wiki/web server. < 1286479350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proto: only infertile people can control all recordkeeping < 1286479351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong channel... < 1286479356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wikipage? < 1286479392 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... No, the whole wiki is a single file. < 1286479392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why don't you play Agora anymore btw? < 1286479398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I meant, the wiki.tcl.tk page for it. < 1286479403 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh. < 1286479411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki.tcl.tk/1 < 1286479435 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just been playing with Tcl < 1286479457 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: when you plan to show some bits of this golfed roguelike? < 1286479481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: /1? old page! < 1286479483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does wiki.tcl.tk run on it? < 1286479484 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: FukYorBrane isn't there :( < 1286479484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't play Agora because... Uh. I don't. < 1286479487 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. < 1286479487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did it in the past? < 1286479492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You used to play Agora :P < 1286479493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, he's shown bits of it before. < 1286479494 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286479496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I have; want the current version? < 1286479498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It has always run on Wikit. < 1286479512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They believe in eating their own dog food. :) < 1286479521 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286479533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: < 1286479535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vagrant.py http://pastie.org/1205917.txt?key=qvb1dnfruxbofgx4xmpog < 1286479539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :debug.py http://pastie.org/1205918.txt?key=hpfmpbouu9kh8ki3kwgta < 1286479545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run debug.py if you make any changes; it lets you see exceptions. < 1286479551 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I still think that starting with 0, followed by defect, followed by a very very very long loop, is a breaking strategy in FYB < 1286479561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it causes your IP to move faster than the enemy pointer's speed of light < 1286479564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, monsters do disappear if you walk into them; and yes, they do walk randomly. For now. < 1286479575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, you then have unlimited time to track them down, unless they're using the same strategy < 1286479586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a counter-strategy, but it sucks against anything else... < 1286479597 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then PROVE IT. < 1286479605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: logicex-2 still stands as king of the hill! < 1286479611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, the hill's still up < 1286479612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :illogicex < 1286479789 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Haskell wiki is not written in Haskell. < 1286479793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT HASKELL? < 1286479805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says that they were lazy and just used MediaWiki. < 1286479808 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps that using it to write super-stateful things such as wikis is a form of torture? < 1286479812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That MediaWiki is awesome. < 1286479818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> That MediaWiki is awesome. < 1286479820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blatantly false.g < 1286479821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*false. < 1286479828 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'll add FYB at some point. Unless you want to add it? < 1286479829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there are many wikis in haskell, but if they had written one in haskell < 1286479832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd be saying: < 1286479836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Toootally NIH" < 1286479860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it is written in Haskell, but the code is so lazy it just calls MW. < 1286479876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's not that painful in Haskell. It's just that you should probably either abstract or use a different language. < 1286479933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> Gregor: It's not that painful in Haskell. It's just that you should probably either abstract or use a different language. < 1286479936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than write a wiki? < 1286479940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand < 1286479948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*understand. < 1286479951 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, I mean "for writing super-stateful things". < 1286479956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1286479976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about that continuation-based server thingy? < 1286480105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so wikit is tclkit? < 1286480107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems chaeting < 1286480124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1286480127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is tclkit just a tcl interpreter bundle? < 1286480167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what TclVfs is < 1286480182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know of Rebol? < 1286480215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Vaguely. < 1286480219 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot: wiki_test [>[-]-] < 1286480223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Tclkit is just a Tcl interpreter bundle. < 1286480238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm having trouble uploading my breaking FYB program to a pastebin, it's around a megabyte long < 1286480251 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing with activestate Tcl. < 1286480269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: filebin? < 1286480279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Rebol is quite cool. Similar to Tcl in a way. < 1286480279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobot wouldn't be able to read it, would it? < 1286480285 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is EgoBot working? < 1286480291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not? < 1286480294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still sent in the http body < 1286480298 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps < 1286480303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it < 1286480305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: yes, but it uses ! for commands < 1286480309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it ignores the attachment header < 1286480311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: TclVfs is the Tcl virtual filesystem layer. < 1286480317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen test < 1286480319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(egobot) < 1286480321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: TclKit can include a filesystem image bundled with it, mount via TclVfs, and voila -- single-file distribution of your program. < 1286480324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That I had already gathered. < 1286480333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah. < 1286480338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Does Wikit do that? < 1286480342 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1286480344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so: totally cheating. < 1286480346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it can. < 1286480347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You said single-file. :P < 1286480363 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said single file is an archive is beside the point. :P < 1286480373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1286480380 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>. < 1286480382 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's only using the archive for... Archiving the wiki itself, though. < 1286480383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So it's actually like ten files, I bet. :P < 1286480383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1286480385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1286480386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay then. < 1286480390 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :61 +++++++++[>+>+++++++++++++>+++++++++++><<<<-]>>-.>++.<-.+.<+. [73] < 1286480395 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: it's working < 1286480434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fyb lightspeed1 http://pastebin.ca/raw/1957059 < 1286480446 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reduced it to 140000 bytes, should still be enough to beat existing programs < 1286480460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are numerous ways to improve it, this is just a tech demo) < 1286480475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it loses, it's because I've screwed up the execution somewhere as I've never written FYB < 1286480507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why the reluctance to try filebin.ca? < 1286480521 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, it's more than 1 file in the archive, but only because it can *also* run as a CGI script or as a Tk program for browsing said wiki. < 1286480528 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I was already working on pastebin.ca at the time < 1286480531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Bah! < 1286480537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, I'm not sure how efficient the FYB interp is < 1286480558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hey, it's pretty spiffy to be able to run the wiki on localhost and just browse it. < 1286480562 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_lightspeed1: 0.0 < 1286480562 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't be this slow, this is weird ... < 1286480569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haw < 1286480572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shouldn't do that badly, either < 1286480585 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a hint: < 1286480586 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I misinterpreted what [] does while defected? < 1286480589 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to actually WIN < 1286480592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spec's rather unclear < 1286480597 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I know, there's a loop at the end that should win < 1286480599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BAH YOU TCL GUYS MAKING GOOD CODE < 1286480606 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by NOPing the entire enemy program, then replacing it with bombs < 1286480615 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, why isn't the report posted ... < 1286480617 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, theory, it's NOPing the bombs as it lays them < 1286480619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet EgoBot gave up before reaching it < 1286480661 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17435 codu 20 0 320m 97m 6172 S 91.3 9.6 0:38.15 trac < 1286480663 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF TRAC < 1286480667 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you taking 99% CPU, Trac < 1286480702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fyb lightspeed1 http://pastebin.ca/raw/1957069 < 1286480703 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why must Trac always be the bane of my existence? < 1286480708 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_lightspeed1: 0.0 < 1286480717 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286480770 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ah, my program's just drawing with every other program < 1286480771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so how should it work? < 1286480772 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the interp timing out < 1286480781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's working perfectly, just the interp doesn't handle the brilliance of my program < 1286480787 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Be right back. < 1286480789 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interp timing out? It gives you 1 million iterations or something. < 1286480792 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it just moves the IP faster than the enemy's pointer's speed of light < 1286480806 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs78149022.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1286480806 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...How? < 1286480814 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by using a [] loop with the current element set to 0 < 1286480825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it skips forward. < 1286480930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION replaces the kill stuff at the end with the simple bomber example from the README < 1286480945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fyb lightspeed1 http://pastebin.ca/raw/1957070 < 1286480985 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_lightspeed1: 0.0 < 1286481017 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :report.txt is blank < 1286481022 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries again < 1286481025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fyb lightspeed1 http://pastebin.ca/raw/1957070 < 1286481029 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_lightspeed1: 0.0 < 1286481030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think EgoBot just doesn't handle the program < 1286481072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, this doesn't mean that the /principle/ is broken < 1286481078 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha < 1286481086 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a super-secret program length limit apparently :P < 1286481135 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maaaan I was a shitty coder back in '05 X-D < 1286481150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make it 32k or less and see what happens :P < 1286481175 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should rewrite this ... ) < 1286481247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fyb lightspeed1 http://pastebin.ca/raw/1957076 < 1286481251 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_lightspeed1: 0.0 < 1286481256 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1286481267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :report.txt blank again < 1286481268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fyb lightspeed1 http://pastebin.ca/raw/1957076 < 1286481272 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_lightspeed1: 0.0 < 1286481279 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again < 1286481281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fyb lightspeed1 http://pastebin.ca/raw/1957076 < 1286481287 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_lightspeed1: 0.0 < 1286481299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again, I give up trying to figure out what's going on here < 1286481307 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only 31 and a bit K... < 1286481325 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the issue any more. < 1286481326 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It loads. < 1286481331 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait for the report to finish generating. < 1286481368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's taking a while < 1286481381 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not actually doing anything it seems :P < 1286481386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crufty piece o' garbage < 1286481389 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kicks EgoBot* < 1286481402 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fyb nothing [] < 1286481443 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_nothing: 23.1 < 1286481443 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why the BFJoust hill is so stable and FYB isn't, when they're basically the same software ... < 1286481456 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the interp itself < 1286481463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you rewrite the FYB hill? < 1286481466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 | 0 + 0 + 0 + - - + - 0 - - + 0 | 25.3 | 0 | ais523_lightspeed1.fyb < 1286481468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is the Joust one based on the FYB one? < 1286481497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: clearly 32k isn't enough for complete immunity from everything < 1286481501 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The Joust one is based on the FYB one. Probably improved. If anybody cared I'd fix it though :P < 1286481510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that I used a /very/ slow but relatively sure method of bombing the opponent < 1286481513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Good excuse there, Mr. My-Strategy-Doesn't-Work-Waaaah :P < 1286481528 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not run it locally? < 1286481534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the strategy can be mathematically proven to work, given a long enough size advantage over the opponent < 1286481540 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: because then Gregor would never believe me < 1286481551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he would < 1286481559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's joking < 1286481569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't want FYB to be broken X-P < 1286481666 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, a long string of NOPs at the start of the program works just as well, possibly even more effectively < 1286481690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because unless the opponent starts with an equally long string of >s, you outspeed them by moving at lightspeed while the opponent has to do some sort of logic < 1286481781 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is presently trying to figure out why logicex-2 wins. < 1286481795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1286481799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my satiation counter wraps around < 1286481802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$:909 T:808 S:0 HP:100 (345) < 1286481804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after i ate some food < 1286481809 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1286481810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing i have all those potions < 1286481820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a potion counter? < 1286481822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's 345 hp i can add on to mine, 20 per turn) < 1286481827 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can anyone possibly manage worse manual translation to English than the automated translation of English with google translate... < 1286481827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, after the HP count in ()s < 1286481833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q moves 20 from that to the hp < 1286481835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking one turn < 1286481838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1286481848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1286481850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly the same notation as NetHack, entirely different meaning < 1286481851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't take a potion first turn < 1286481854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :died summarily < 1286481863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<ais523> Gregor: the strategy can be mathematically proven to work, given a long enough size advantage over the opponent" < 1286481867 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh. < 1286481872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it'll probably be HP:now/max (potion) if i add a max hp < 1286481876 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Moshe Sipper invented non-uniform cellular automata, which are cellular automata in which the CA-rules are local to each cell and can be copied onto neighbouring cells. Non-uniform CA rules can be designed to model conservation of mass." < 1286481878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if L<1:Q('You die...',1);D();endwin();print'You survived for '+N+' turns and had $'+G+' when you died.';exit() < 1286481878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects < 1286481879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops. < 1286481900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that in Java... < 1286481915 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if even /Java/ lets you do something, it must be pretty nonesoteric < 1286481917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION invents a silly addition function. < 1286481969 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION invents a silly multiplication function. < 1286481972 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the Python % operator still the way to do formatted output, or did they do something different there? (I mean, I know it works, but if it's somehow unclean.) < 1286481984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if L<1:Q('You die...',1);D();endwin();print'You survived for %s turns and had $%%s when you died.'%N%G;exit() < 1286481989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's shorter than %(N,G)! < 1286482044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golfing in Python? < 1286482057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286482066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i will now give you a heart attack: < 1286482070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W=[32]*1000+[36,81]*5+[37]*3+[35]*50+[33] < 1286482072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=w[v];s.addch(B-Y,A-X,choice(W)if U and 0==r(0,2)and q-32 else q) < 1286482073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : s.addstr(22,0,'_'*80);C('$:%-17s T:%-17s S:%-17s HP:%-3s (%s)'%(G,N,S,L,P));global V;V();V=lambda:1;s.move(y-Y+11,x-X+40) < 1286482087 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gibber* < 1286482098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : w.update(q);U+=U>0;N+=1;S-=S>0;L%=301;L-=25*(L and S<1) < 1286482102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : w[y,x]=32;x+=a;y+=b;w[y,x]=64;X+=17<abs(X-x)and cmp(x,X);Y+=5<abs(Y-y)and cmp(y,Y);D() < 1286482108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : a=(k in'lun')-(k in'hyb');b=(k in'jbn')-(k in'kyu') < 1286482110 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fun fact: I posted a link to something. Warrigal posted on Reddit. Warrigal got almost 1k karma from it < 1286482113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if P and L+20<301:q=min(P,20);L+=q;U+=q*3*(U>0);P-=q;T() < 1286482115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The end. < 1286482130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: let me guess, you're angry at him now. < 1286482137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it's that obvious < 1286482141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be happy for him if that happened < 1286482147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo wouldn't < 1286482150 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not _actually_ angry. Joking angry < 1286482151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: where's the redraw in that? < 1286482166 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And angry at myself for not thinking of posting it myself < 1286482173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's not the whole code, just particularly abhorrent snippets < 1286482178 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Render the addition as an image, the usual way humans write such downs (numbers above each other and such). Font should be Comic Sans if that is available on the system. Now do OCR on the image for each column, writing the result to the relevant place below that column. If you get a carry, update the image above the next column as usual. Continue until done. Then read the result line back using OCR. < 1286482181 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's horrible :P < 1286482188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: that's awesome. < 1286482195 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesomely horrible < 1286482203 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, cool code above :P < 1286482208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you mean the kind of joking angry that means actually angry? :p < 1286482210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: quite. < 1286482230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, is there any IOPCC? < 1286482231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like using nonalphabetic variables in Perl so you don't need to use a space between them and a keyword < 1286482271 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait...that's actually python? < 1286482287 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION misread ais523 as zzo38 < 1286482290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why does this need to be two lines: < 1286482294 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> w[y,x]=32;x+=a;y+=b;w[y,x]=64;X+=17<abs(X-x)and cmp(x,X);Y+=5<abs(Y-y)and cmp(y,Y);D() < 1286482294 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> a=(k in'lun')-(k in'hyb');b=(k in'jbn')-(k in'kyu') < 1286482296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how? < 1286482307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nick colors, I think < 1286482308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they aren't consecutive, is my guess < 1286482312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286482324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: separate < 1286482327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the Best Of < 1286482335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: yup, python < 1286482339 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah. What remains to be written? < 1286482346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think you should use thin-spaces to golf it even further < 1286482354 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: :( < 1286482358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it has the need to eat, turn count, money, HP, potions, walls, full movement... < 1286482360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I doubt python will parse that? < 1286482368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to actually be fun in a sense just requires a little bit of dumb AI code < 1286482383 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should create an irssi script that will color the nicks the way I want < 1286482384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and the TARDIS? < 1286482391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even now it's fun to play and see if the RNG hates you (i.e. see how long you can survive; food doesn't last long) < 1286482393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and rack up cash) < 1286482405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not at that stage yet < 1286482412 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1286482419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can have the current code if you want < 1286482423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Qs even move! < 1286482425 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: you can script this thing? bitchen < 1286482426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah it has hallucination too < 1286482429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, also about the food, surely if the world is infinite it shouldn't be impossible to find more? < 1286482430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/15 chance of bad food < 1286482433 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawl < 1286482438 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You know there is no '-', right? < 1286482444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you have limited satiation, though < 1286482452 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I probably could, but I hate perl < 1286482454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so can you survive long enough to get to it? < 1286482455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh, right < 1286482457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, almost always) < 1286482458 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah < 1286482460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have been [+], I wasn't thinking < 1286482462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but still, it's easy to lose track) < 1286482464 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't matter for that program) < 1286482469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: max. 300 turns before you lose 50 hp/turn < 1286482475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maximum satiation is 300) < 1286482482 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Uhh, yes it does, you'll be in a tight worthless loop. < 1286482482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and food doesn't always replenish it fully < 1286482485 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ouch, that is a bit too nasty < 1286482496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I mean, it doesn't matter whether it's + or - < 1286482497 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you convert a random wav file to text, you get executable perl) < 1286482501 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor how tight the loop is, using that strategy) < 1286482503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's why you keep your HP up so that once you lose 50 you have enough time to get to food :) < 1286482512 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Right, so fix it :P < 1286482520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am doing so < 1286482524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, can't you carry food? < 1286482526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guh, my HP wrapped arround to 4 < 1286482536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nope, i avoid state like the plague :D < 1286482541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: most things are done directly on the grid < 1286482543 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, aww < 1286482545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance there is no model behind the object grid < 1286482550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walking onto something makes it disappear < 1286482560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and monsters are moved by actually looking at the visible screen and moving them around < 1286482563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it isn't just 'EM or 'ELM that is needed, it is 'EILM < 1286482576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slav, Super Lotsa Additions Vagrant < 1286482590 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So non-uniform cellular automata are... neighbouring state machines. < 1286482595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how does hallu work then? < 1286482602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it permanently changes the grid? < 1286482604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"L%=301" fun fact, this does not impose a max health! < 1286482613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, more or less, I suppose. < 1286482617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, oh? < 1286482625 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make the playfield layout non-uniform too, and it's... a big state machine. < 1286482626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it makes you drop health rapidly if you get too much :P < 1286482632 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ah :P < 1286482634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i now have 4 hp due to no fault of my own < 1286482636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, not helpful. < 1286482638 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: feels like a decay of theory < 1286482659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, CAs are just big state machines. < 1286482666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, evil, surely you can make L=min(L,300) shorter somehow? < 1286482673 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: part of what makes them special is their uniform structure < 1286482684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm just not doing it, i'm sure i can check L<301 elsewhere < 1286482693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: L-=25*(L and S<1) < 1286482694 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, well, you could simulate it with loads and loads of states. < 1286482699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, as for the playfield, does it remember previous screens? < 1286482700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, "if L>0 and S==0, decrease L by 25" < 1286482703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume so? < 1286482707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"U+=U>0" < 1286482710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the playfield grows over time < 1286482711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we are hallucinating, increase the hallucination counter < 1286482713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1286482717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explore too much and you run out of memory < 1286482722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, mechanical self-replicators are the coolest things ever. < 1286482729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"S-=S>0" < 1286482733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we have any satiation, lose one point of it. < 1286482749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"X+=17<abs(X-x)and cmp(x,X);Y+=5<abs(Y-y)and cmp(y,Y)" <-- figure out what this does (not having been there when we worked it out) and get a prize < 1286482768 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: chase < 1286482775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: nope < 1286482778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it scrolls the playfield < 1286482780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> "S-=S>0" <--- err < 1286482783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work? < 1286482785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was getting to that? < 1286482788 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*! < 1286482789 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1286482791 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well no prize for me < 1286482797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (S>0) = True equiv-to 1 < 1286482801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(S>0) = False equiv-to 0 < 1286482804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S -= 1 decreases S < 1286482805 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i ruined Phantom_Hoover's chance! < 1286482806 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ahahaha < 1286482806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S -= 0 does nothing < 1286482811 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no. alise did < 1286482828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hallu is so pitiful, you can just keep telling the game to redraw and it works :D < 1286482836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what would be cool is hallu that actually permanently fixed the map! < 1286482840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> Incidentally, mechanical self-replicators are the coolest things ever. <-- what about biological ones? < 1286482843 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's how hallu works in real life too < 1286482846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as cool/ < 1286482854 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just keep redrawing and you can tell what's real < 1286482854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1286482855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286482857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can redraw < 1286482859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without taking turns < 1286482861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it re-hallucinates < 1286482867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning if you hold down enter it's easy to see what's what < 1286482877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Vorpal> <Phantom_Hoover> Incidentally, mechanical self-replicators are the coolest things ever. <-- what about biological ones? < 1286482885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know if mechanical self-replicators enjoy replicating as much... < 1286482885 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/users/ctf20/dphil_2005/Thesis/Chapter1/Chapter1Figs/breivik2001.pdf < 1286482890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much cooler. < 1286482900 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, XD < 1286482901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah baby, feed me that molten metal so that I can assemble a copy of myself. < 1286482913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you totally assemble computers with MOLTEN METAL < 1286482917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, has any been built btw? < 1286482921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I suppose that's a bit of a role reversal there. < 1286482927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, dns seems broken < 1286482929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, read the PDF, I suppose. < 1286482932 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing loads < 1286482935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, give me server ip! < 1286482940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee, i think i'm a wall < 1286482976 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a mechanical replicator would need to be "smart" enough to assemble a copy of itself -- so it would need a relatively powerful computer -- so it would need to build integrated circuits < 1286482977 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, with whois or what? < 1286482985 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit fucking nontrivial < 1286482988 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, host presumably < 1286482992 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, not that complex. < 1286483007 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could see it not needing a trult integrated circuit < 1286483010 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*truly < 1286483017 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, 139.184.49.162 < 1286483018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286483023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets hope it isn't using vhosts < 1286483045 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works with lots of little plastic nucleotides, though, not true self-replication. < 1286483050 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah works < 1286483052 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still pretty cool. < 1286483054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: relay logic might work < 1286483064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :several telephone exchanges work on that basis < 1286483080 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, it depends on what you define as the raw material < 1286483098 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, imagine an universe where stuff like ARM cpus occur naturally :P < 1286483128 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, the raw material is elements designed to stick together magnetically in an appropriate way. < 1286483131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and li-ion batteries are found in certain geological formations < 1286483218 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAND. all you have to start is SAND. < 1286483226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Penrose did a similar but less sophisticated system with 2 elements in 1 dimension. < 1286483228 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT will impress me. < 1286483252 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, SAND and IRON. < 1286483265 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to make motors out of just sand. < 1286483270 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given an infinite series of A B... a single cluster will tend to self-replicate. < 1286483281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, taking the easy way out, eh? < 1286483297 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286483317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: MAKE IRON OUT OF SAND < 1286483371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, i just ate rotten food when already hallucinating < 1286483377 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKE SILICON AND DOPE IT < 1286483382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although in some cases that can actually cure you. < 1286483385 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: RADIOACTIVE MOBILE CHIP FACTORY < 1286483393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, in all cases. < 1286483394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well some. < 1286483400 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'M WAITIN' < 1286483432 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fyb lightspeed1 http://pastebin.ca/raw/1957097 < 1286483437 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_lightspeed1: 25.3 < 1286483439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, closed the tab rather than submitting it for some reason < 1286483447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1286483448 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1286483448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :always hurts you < 1286483448 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1286483449 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |\ < 1286483455 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a positive score < 1286483457 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how do you get the report to come up? < 1286483465 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's the same score it got last time, I think < 1286483467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scoring thing is broken < 1286483474 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i missed that < 1286483481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Idonno, I just submitted something else then it worked that time :P < 1286483481 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i nly remember 0.0's < 1286483485 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fyb nothing [] < 1286483488 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for Gregor_nothing: 23.1 < 1286483494 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll have to debug that tonight. < 1286483539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, what's the range of printable ascii? < 1286483548 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> !fyb lightspeed1 http://pastebin.ca/raw/1957097 <-- what was % now again? < 1286483554 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOP < 1286483558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286483559 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 32-126 < 1286483562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks < 1286483567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and @ ? < 1286483571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=w[v];s.addch(B-Y,A-X,choice(W)if U and 0==r(0,2)and q-32 else q) < 1286483573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallu: too wimpy. < 1286483577 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ohhhh, it seems to get confused if you use a name that's already in use X_X < 1286483581 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: defect (start analysing your own program) < 1286483583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=w[v];s.addch(B-Y,A-X,r(32,126)if U and 0==r(0,2)and q-32 else q) < 1286483585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's more like it. < 1286483587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK...? < 1286483588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is 126 valid too? < 1286483593 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!fyb lightspeed1a http://pastebin.ca/raw/1957097 < 1286483594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hm okay < 1286483599 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, ~ < 1286483602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: valid as in printable. righ < 1286483603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right < 1286483604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :127 is a control char, though < 1286483626 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll have to look into this weirdness :P < 1286483627 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Score for ais523_lightspeed1a: 21.1 < 1286483651 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: So eventually you'll support four variable scopes: message scope, nick scope, channel scope, and global variables. < 1286483651 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I disagree! < 1286483654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why resubmit the same thing? < 1286483661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: see above < 1286483662 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could even have a server scope, but... < 1286483678 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lightspeedia, Wikipeedia. < 1286483684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, above where? < 1286483695 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll fix the borkitude on Saturdayish ... < 1286483703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, scanned last screensful, saw nothing < 1286483707 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lightspeedia is an encyclopedia made entirely out of light. < 1286483718 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lights. < 1286483735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: <Gregor> ais523: Ohhhh, it seems to get confused if you use a name that's already in use X_X < 1286483740 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286483810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot, wha? < 1286483818 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when were you here? < 1286483871 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: since this morning (my time) < 1286483886 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, um, 6 hours ish ago < 1286483913 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its nick should really be "mzstorkipiwanbotbotbot" but that's too long < 1286484006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been hallu for the past N minutes < 1286484025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Wait, are you actually doing that IRC-language thing? < 1286484036 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i have no time but yes < 1286484047 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: < 1286484051 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1286484059 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why am I back in crappy Colloquy anyway ... < 1286484062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$:2689 T:2307 S:252 HP:300 (380) < 1286484064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: XD < 1286484098 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Will it have MEMORY SAFETY WITHOUT GC? < 1286484116 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to rewrite what i have so far of the bot in some language less unappealing to me than python < 1286484119 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memory safety without GC: No free(), all memory leaks < 1286484146 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no. it will be unsafe in the sense that anyone could come along and change your global variables anyway. < 1286484155 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Apparently you missed cpressey's and my big argument about this, resulting in Eightebed which does fit my requirements but is so terrible :P < 1286484158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW AM I LOSING HP < 1286484160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh poisoned food < 1286484161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1286484167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I did not miss it < 1286484175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I named Eightebed < 1286484184 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: WHY < 1286484192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what irc language thingy? < 1286484198 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm dns seems to work again < 1286484201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://catseye.tc/projects/eightebed/doc/website_eightebed.html; /Legal Issues/ < 1286484220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To have a literate specification written in SUPER ITALIAN, thus giving all programs the power of UNMATCHED PROPHETIC SNEEZING." < 1286484261 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does reference counting count as GC? < 1286484300 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It doesn't fit the requirements I set out because it leaks. < 1286484300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to try Samorost < 1286484316 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless of whether it counts as GC or not. < 1286484318 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think it does < 1286484332 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: unless your language forbids circular structures. < 1286484337 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, poor yorick, whoTF is this guy. < 1286484345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Then your language is made of FAIL. < 1286484354 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl folks call what they have a GC, and it's reference-counting. (With a "real" GC sweep on interpreter termination.) < 1286484359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$:3151 T:2859 S:291 HP:286 (324) < 1286484360 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Then all functional languages are made of FAIL. < 1286484368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll die now, since the game is insufferably boring. < 1286484382 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait, what? Why GC at the end? The OS will reclaim it all anyway! < 1286484383 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the game you made? < 1286484388 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes, they are X-P < 1286484394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: x=1:x < 1286484395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i agree, circular structures are iffy < 1286484410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read some stuff about a language lacking them, was interesting. < 1286484427 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: .... < 1286484432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The two official motivations I've seen are (a) making sure all finalizers get called at least once, and (b) for the case where the interpreter is embedded in some other process that's not going to terminate that point, and might in fact restart it again. < 1286484434 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK, maybe not *all* functional languages, depending on implementation details etc, but you catch my meaning < 1286484435 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg Gregor doesn't know me! < 1286484468 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, that's fair i suppose < 1286484482 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: neither do I < 1286484497 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you should < 1286484498 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: nor do i, except that you've been here the past few days < 1286484507 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is about all you could know about me < 1286484514 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been here since saturday < 1286484538 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO SECRETIVE < 1286484563 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: so what's your story, Dark Stranger who Wandered into Town Recently? < 1286484564 0 :tombom_!tombom@86.29.73.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286484568 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, and also because Perl's "ithreads" mean each thread gets a completely separate copy of the whole interpreter, and they want those not to leak either. < 1286484575 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286484575 0 :tombom_!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286484592 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I knew about this channel for some time, but never bothered to join...and then I got an assignment that got brainfuck < 1286484596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A more complete garbage collection strategy will be implemented at a future date." < 1286484603 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's really incredible about refcounting is that it's usually slower than even a naive mark-and-sweep :P < 1286484607 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I saw the beauty if this channel (saw beyond Vorpal) < 1286484614 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of* < 1286484636 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I'm idling here < 1286484636 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Looks like you've got a Vorpal-hatred buddy X-P < 1286484637 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but responsiveness is more predictable (go the arguments) < 1286484645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, err what? < 1286484663 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Eh, fair enough. < 1286484678 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh...nothing < 1286484684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1286484687 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you scare new people away < 1286484693 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3 hatred < 1286484706 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286484742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> i read some stuff about a language lacking them, was interesting. <-- um, lots of functional languages lack circular structures < 1286484775 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: except it's not really true. i unlink a structure -- i have to check if it's an orphan -- i have to traverse it -- oh wait, how big is this thing? < 1286484780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick, heh? < 1286484782 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excpet i think there might be tricks around that < 1286484799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(With a "real" GC sweep on interpreter termination.)" ...why? For embedding? < 1286484801 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: especially against Vorpal eh < 1286484813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, scheme without setf! and similar wouldn't allow circular structures I think? < 1286484820 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorick: No, I feed on hatred in general. < 1286484822 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isomorphic to needing a sweep phase, i guess < 1286484828 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs Gregor < 1286484835 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARRRRRRRRGH < 1286484841 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And no optional laziness. < 1286484842 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> "(With a "real" GC sweep on interpreter termination.)" ...why? For embedding? <-- um look above < 1286484852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh true < 1286484852 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, he said embedding. and finalizing. < 1286484871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm pretty sure you can't get circular structures in erlang btw < 1286484901 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor Pixley fwiw < 1286484920 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I'm not familiar with that one. One of yours? < 1286484926 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1286484939 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's Scheme minus Scheme < 1286484949 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, the null set? < 1286484973 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, more like Garfield minus Garfield < 1286484990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ah < 1286484990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: YOU SEE HOW THE ONE WORD CAN HAVE DIFFERENT MEANINGS < 1286484991 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286485000 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there's an interesting paradigm, every input is an incorrect program < 1286485024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, indeed. I admit I'm not 100% sure how to interpret the meanings in this case though < 1286485056 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be the effect if the set of correct programs is the null set < 1286485074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found his in-C SKI interpreter < 1286485077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ python debug.py < 1286485077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You survived for 3176 turns and had $3505 when you died. < 1286485078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good God that's crazy. < 1286485108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, depends on what you do on "incorrect" data. For brainfuck-brainfuck every program would be a nop < 1286485109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT MEANS I WIN < 1286485109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More money than turns! < 1286485113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had forgotten how mad this code was. < 1286485132 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, unless the definition of what you do on incorrect data is part of the language that got substracted away < 1286485135 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, the interpreter should print an error and abort < 1286485150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially where I copy a thunk before it's evaluated so that I can do an infinite list of input. < 1286485155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, in which case all programming languages minus themselves are the same programming language < 1286485156 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposedly any computation would have to be in controlling the kind of error you get < 1286485165 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm < 1286485177 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, "how do we make this TC" ;) < 1286485202 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to find TC-ness or making something TC is all I ever think about < 1286485210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, debug.py? < 1286485237 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm < 1286485241 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sounds awesome... is this on the internet? < 1286485278 0 :alise_!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286485308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Lemme tar it up. < 1286485315 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance: do type-level calculation, cause a type mismatch, the "expected foo, found <...>" prints the output you've produced < 1286485336 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be a slightly boring way to do it < 1286485350 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:46:22 <cpressey> fizzie: Wait, what? Why GC at the end? The OS will reclaim it all anyway! < 1286485355 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit i missed this and everything after < 1286485358 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh, and the point would be that you have to make the type system so that there are no correct programs) < 1286485375 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite know how to do that < 1286485395 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:50:36 <Gregor> alise: Looks like you've got a Vorpal-hatred buddy X-P < 1286485395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really, really need to get a webhost. < 1286485397 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes two! < 1286485408 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: just put it on github? < 1286485417 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works for pages and code anyway < 1286485476 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> min(L+min(P,20),300) < 1286485476 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> min(L+P,L+20,300) < 1286485476 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> if k=='q': < 1286485476 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> q=min(P,20);L=min(L+q,300) < 1286485476 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> if P and L<301:U=min(U+q*3*(U>0),300);P-=q;T() < 1286485476 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> continue < 1286485478 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Prizes for golfing this. < 1286485480 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Since when is Dwarf Fortress available for Linux? < 1286485497 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of git: has anything been done in the field of esoteric version control? < 1286485523 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:00:10 <Vorpal> alise, debug.py? < 1286485527 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vagrant's debug launcher < 1286485539 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think ais523 had some thoughts < 1286485541 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe noti < 1286485542 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not < 1286485543 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some thoughts too < 1286485547 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: as for existing examples < 1286485558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No. Wants host. < 1286485560 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: I have, but haven't got much futher < 1286485561 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*further < 1286485568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it was a surprisingly non-eso project < 1286485582 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/tutorial/index.html < 1286485590 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/tutorial-old/arch.html < 1286485596 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1286485597 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/tutorial-old/arch.html < 1286485600 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the complete, crazy one < 1286485607 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I started with the concept of "version control system which can manage any command in any other common DVCS as a special case of one or more of its commands + a UI" and "only has five commands" < 1286485613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then tried to make things fit from there < 1286485621 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's how git is designed < 1286485628 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's more like 10 commands i think < 1286485630 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 7 < 1286485631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but git fails at it < 1286485634 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 5 is very important < 1286485640 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that *exact* number? :P < 1286485645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it fails at doing some things that, say, darcs does trivially < 1286485648 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that *exact* number < 1286485710 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minimalistic version control, I like the sound of it < 1286485716 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about 6? < 1286485717 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1286485718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1286485718 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1286485722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: 6 is not 5 < 1286485732 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're crazy :D < 1286485733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, you can set arbitrary goals for an esolang, right? < 1286485737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't you set them for other programs? < 1286485751 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a place to start is to figure out the counterpart of turing complete for version control < 1286485767 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric version control! < 1286485785 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: I do have an idea of the model to use, though, and a name < 1286485790 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name is... scapegoat < 1286485794 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moo < 1286485826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: <tswett> Who's ə? Me? < 1286485834 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ what is wrong with Agoran nicknames < 1286485835 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody needs to make a 2D competitive programming languages. < 1286485851 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone was talking about BeYourFunge, or something like that < 1286485863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awww, they're naming it after mine. < 1286485890 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :D < 1286485900 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I did BeYourFunge, I think < 1286485903 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeYorFunge it was I think < 1286485905 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't work < 1286485927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, ah ok (wrt debug.py) < 1286485939 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, somebody needs to make a 3D competitive programming ENVIRONMENT in which the programs can be written in any arbitrary language, and there's some overarching laws of physics to dictate how one might find another :P < 1286485939 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1286485945 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: quick, if i give you the latest version will you see how long you can survive?!:!?!?!?! < 1286485949 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, we need a space-flight simulator where people write captain programs. < 1286485985 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> > > I lower ehird's position on the list by 1, for a fee. < 1286485986 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1286486022 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please tell me your model has deduplicative storage as a separate, non-main part < 1286486032 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(deduplicative = store diffs, not the entire tree, basically, for every revision) < 1286486036 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: it's an implementation detail < 1286486051 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm talking details < 1286486052 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the model is more easily implemented by storing diffs, than by storing trees < 1286486065 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it via trees would be awfully complex, except for caching < 1286486225 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it work, then? < 1286486229 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1286486246 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, rough explanation because a) this isn't written down anywhere, and b) I worked it out entirely in my head < 1286486255 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Like Feather!" < 1286486257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically, each line ever added to anything has its own unique ID < 1286486258 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1286486264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: line? how ... < 1286486266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how kludgy < 1286486294 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, indentation increase/decrease counts as a special token on a line of its own, but that's more incidental to the way everything works < 1286486318 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not the literal text of the line that matters, more its platonic existence < 1286486338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but, being line-based < 1286486343 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you talking about? < 1286486347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's meant to work like diff < 1286486356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lines give a good approximation to how people think of programs < 1286486361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it with characters, it'd work just as well < 1286486369 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each byte added has a 128-bit ID. < 1286486370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but probably confuse people because it didn't do merges how they wanted < 1286486415 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, what's stored in the version control system are diffs, vaguely darcs-like, except that the diffs have a complete context of where they go < 1286486433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "line ab239ca0 added between line 30adb123 and line 8923ad01" < 1286486469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't need any context (as in unidiff context) other than that, because each line number refers to the line itself, plus its complete history, because every line belongs to the diff where it was added with complete context of where it comes from, etc. < 1286486542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you have a concept of individual object history? < 1286486546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not versioning trees? < 1286486546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to figure out the current state of the version control system, you effectively start with nothing and replay all the diffs until you end up with the files (this is likely to be optimizable, but as-if rule; that's how it works /conceptually/) < 1286486551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats -- you've invented either RCS or CVS < 1286486553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not sure which < 1286486564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's the bottom level of abstraction < 1286486566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's how darcs does it < 1286486570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrt the nothing) < 1286486571 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286486575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, darcs was a major inspiration < 1286486581 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: CVS is just some centralization and network crap on top of RCS. < 1286486583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I didn't do everything exactly the same way < 1286486601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, above this layer of abstraction, you can also group sets of changes into a single change that represents them all < 1286486606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And ... multiple file support, dude. < 1286486618 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the svn/darcs layer of abstraction if you group once (and also does multiple files) < 1286486619 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Mmmmm, kinda. < 1286486626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the tag, etc, layer of abstraction if you do it twice < 1286486633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, RCS works entirely on one file with no special directory for versioning. < 1286486636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So more than kinda :P < 1286486643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, individual object history, repo versions, and tags are all the same concept, really < 1286486649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :helping to keep the command count down < 1286486696 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, but it didn't actually change anything intrinsic to do that, it just has per-file data, separated properly, and maintained in "modules" which are basically directories. At the actual version-control level, it's still one-file. < 1286486731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVN has actual multi-file version control, and even that is just "give all the files the same number so people don't go batshit crazy trying to find a revision" < 1286487074 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I don't think ais' thing is anything like RCS or CVS < 1286487131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1286487133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flerh < 1286487186 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, both RCS and CVS work on trees of files that contain history < 1286487222 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or each file contains a tree of versions of that file < 1286487364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks entirely to quintopi, I have shortened Vagrant further! < 1286487367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X+=17<abs(X-x)and cmp(x,X);Y+=5<abs(Y-y)and cmp(y,Y) < 1286487368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has become < 1286487372 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-=(X-x)//17;Y-=(Y-y)//5 < 1286487392 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and CVS is mostly just networked centralized storage for all those RCS files instead of storing them locally < 1286487550 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286487576 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... looks like Gregor already said that though < 1286487633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1286487636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ instead of // works < 1286487651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ wc -c vagrant.py < 1286487651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1622 vagrant.py < 1286487768 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's a tad slower, though < 1286487818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: what is? < 1286487840 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using / instead of // for integer division < 1286487862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually in this case it ends up as floats, it just so happens that the way i use them makes this irrelevant < 1286487868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jesus, it's python! slow already < 1286487871 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have just confirmed that < 1286487875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ vs // won't help that < 1286487884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microoptimising python is an amazingly silly idea < 1286487892 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Python faster than Ruby or something? < 1286487904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not after YARV < 1286487909 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's fast enough to play a .mod file on a 1.44GHz 32-bit single-core AMD machine at 32000Hz in stereo < 1286487911 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this is #esoteric. Everything that happens here is silly < 1286487912 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait I guess it isn't returning a float < 1286487923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: what a useless dump of statistics < 1286487939 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should microoptimize the sample of BancSTAR code that we have < 1286487946 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286487951 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :source: http://pubacc.wilcox-tech.com/~greaser/stuff/pymod.py.txt < 1286487952 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how, if you don't know what it does? < 1286487967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: 32000 Hz = .000032 GHz, your computer could sleep for a bloody year and it'd still play that < 1286487972 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are people in the world who DO know what it does < 1286487974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its author claimed it wasn't leaking commercially sensitive information because nobody knew what it did or what the commands were < 1286487976 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bancstar code starts out slow, but damn does it microoptimize well < 1286488005 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no place where we can find out more about it? < 1286488023 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it has to mix 4 channels at different frequencies, it's not a .wav file silly < 1286488035 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should purchase a license from... whoever it is < 1286488049 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or pirate < 1286488061 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the latter might be tricky < 1286488065 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's using about 54% CPU playing cd_orbit.mod < 1286488096 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0BE10000|1C505000|00000000|07F07000| < 1286488096 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0BE10000|1AC06000|00000000|00000000| < 1286488101 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just two lines of output < 1286488111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286488113 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pppssfxy < 1286488121 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :period, sample, effect info < 1286488150 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :freq = base_clock (about 10^9/280) / period < 1286488316 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286488508 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, bancstar is obviously a list of opcode,arg1,arg2,arg3 < 1286488544 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control structures available include the 3000 ("conditional"), 3001 ("block conditional"), and 3101 ("reverse block conditional"), as well as 8500 ("GOTO") and 8550 ("combination GOTO"). < 1286488557 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the opcode goes first btw) < 1286488566 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I already said ... d'uh < 1286488618 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of "block conditional" in that one sample < 1286488698 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.oocities.com/connorbd/tarpit/bancstar.html < 1286488742 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Broadway & Seymour still exist? < 1286488789 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286489014 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286489015 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that given documentation, this bancstar thing wouldn't even be very esoteric... it's just a poor source language < 1286489061 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, why the heck didn't these people just write their own source language and compile it to bancstar? < 1286489100 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did. < 1286489112 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1286489115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, BANCStar is just bytecode. < 1286489143 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the source language was crappy, so the developers just coded everything in BANCStar. < 1286489159 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I should rephrase that... since the real source language was so crappy, why didn't they replace the source language instead of coding in the bytecode? < 1286489199 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they couldn't be bothered? < 1286489222 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they obviously *could* be bothered writing this awful bytecode crap :) < 1286489246 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2001/07/16/daily41.html < 1286489255 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to follow the trail < 1286489262 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YPYYvZOGlU Does anyone else think this is cool? < 1286489364 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linkedin.com/companies/webtone-technologies < 1286489371 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also this: http://www.allbusiness.com/banking-finance/banking-lending-credit-services/7277371-1.html < 1286489443 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searching for WinPrism gets some book management thing < 1286489469 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesyesyes, what of that video I linked to? < 1286489497 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fidelity Information Services still exists! < 1286489608 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searching the site for WinPrism reveals nothing < 1286489624 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wealth management solutions! < 1286489712 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Gregor> In other words, we need a space-flight simulator where people write captain programs. < 1286489723 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, C-Robots, in 3D, and not just C. < 1286489738 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's what C-Robots is, then YES! :P < 1286489750 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we write self-replicators in it? < 1286489755 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< pikhq> I had forgotten how mad this code was. <-- to what do you refer? < 1286489828 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< alise_> "Like Feather!" <-- FeatherSCM! woo! < 1286489830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: SKI interpreter using lambda in C. < 1286489842 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be the only one i'd use. if it existed < 1286489912 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< alise> microoptimising python is an amazingly silly idea <-- happens all the time here :/ < 1286490008 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1286490011 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i think i remember you writing that. or i;m confused. < 1286490021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I did. < 1286490026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And it's fucking nuts. < 1286490036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1286490059 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crobots < 1286490087 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: one can only hope that FIS have gotten rid of this crap... then again they are still marketing a MUMPS-based thingy < 1286490101 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if i were to design a SCM it would only work on S-Expressions < 1286490111 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They wouldn't have it in some storage facility somewhere? < 1286490138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, Sgeo is suddenly worried about bancstar being lost to the world < 1286490144 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Harpyon < 1286490152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it already? < 1286490155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> cpressey: SKI interpreter using lambda in C. ← Sophisticated enough to run Lazy K? < 1286490170 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< olsner> but they obviously *could* be bothered writing this awful bytecode crap :) <-- THAT'S HOW IT WORKS IN DE BIZNESS WURLD < 1286490196 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they say < 1286490209 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the source language was probably *terrible* and they didn't have the resources/justification to make a better one < 1286490221 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :****terrible*** < 1286490227 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, hey, nostalgia isn't a factor here < 1286490232 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first * is the correction *) < 1286490269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but you're still worried about it < 1286490285 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible, like, programming language implemented by someone with no familiarity with parsing or interpretation, theory or practice < 1286490288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i think that it was some gui tool, i may be mistaken < 1286490292 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/interpreteation/code gen/ < 1286490301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It currently implements a subset of Lazy K. < 1286490302 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: very possible < 1286490310 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Namely, the SKI subset. < 1286490316 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the bytecode used by a GUI code-gen tool < 1286490317 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to program in BancSTAR! < 1286490324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people used it directly because the code-gen tool wasn't very good < 1286490329 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and the laziness? < 1286490341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is proper. < 1286490377 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it should be possible to add I/O? < 1286490423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *has* I/O. < 1286490437 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wait, why the heck is this segfaulting? < 1286490458 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if it was built by "gui programmers" that pretty much guarantees it was AWESOME. < 1286490464 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they have things called BancLine and BancPac, note the spelling of 'banc' < 1286490489 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1286490491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not a game, but rather a lawsuit" --TV Tropes < 1286490495 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've probably switched to Plain English now < 1286490498 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286490513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible to ask if there's any relation to BancStar, particularly the bytecodes? < 1286490517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: probably just a brand name < 1286490525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they probably don't know it ever existed. or deny it < 1286490585 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, FFS if you want it so hard, just write something that looks identical. < 1286490597 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this TellerPlus that looks related to those BancLine/BancPac things is apparently *customizable* (in bancstar? :D) < 1286490605 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it wouldn't be genuine BancSTAR < 1286490615 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just something that fits what little we know of it < 1286490636 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use one of those fractal interpolators to infer the rest of BancSTAR < 1286490718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: which game? I can't visit TV Tropes because I'm at work < 1286490722 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus, can't search it < 1286490724 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, just analyse. < 1286490741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Capcom vs. X series < 1286490746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some street fighter ripoff < 1286490749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quote is the only amusing part < 1286490755 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1286490791 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbers below 3000, or maybe 2000, might be variables < 1286490807 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, there are NEGATIVES? < 1286490822 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :credit AND debit, baby! < 1286490828 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the text mentions a limit of 2000 variables < 1286490837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, right < 1286490841 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that the language doesn't have constants < 1286490849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need a spare variable to store constants in < 1286490857 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are any numbers between 2000 and 3000? < 1286490870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, maybe those would be meaningless < 1286490872 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe constants are just in the code, but surrounded by if's < 1286490875 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or gotos < 1286490891 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you store constants if you can't write constants? < 1286490904 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did noöne watch that video? < 1286490911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I really wish they made a sequel to The Matrix. It would have been awesome!" --reddit < 1286490912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably variables can be initialized statically, or something < 1286490917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's on my todo list! < 1286490929 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you sure you can use a diaeresis in that context? < 1286490937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is correct < 1286490942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't noooooooooone < 1286490944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "noon" < 1286490945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no-one < 1286490947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no One < 1286490950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start of a new syllable < 1286490952 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :diaeresis < 1286490954 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: according to normal pronunciation rules, yes < 1286490961 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean the word's actually spelled like that, though < 1286490967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover that video doesn't load for me < 1286490970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, it's orthography < 1286490974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: diareses are valid everywhere < 1286490974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :words tend not to be spelled phonetically in English < 1286490978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no " " at the start < 1286490980 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: and in reverse, too? < 1286490985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call Zo-e a common name < 1286490987 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, based on this presentation I found, I get the impression that BancLine really could be the continuation of bancstar < 1286490988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's an accent mark < 1286491002 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like the kind of forms that would be built by something like that < 1286491002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: and thus part of the spelling of a word < 1286491004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"noöne" is definitely correct. < 1286491017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if irritating < 1286491020 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I accept, say, "preëmptive" because that's actually how you spell the word < 1286491023 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, try clicking into the time bar somewhere. < 1286491025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or used to, at least < 1286491036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, the diaeresis mark has a name < 1286491037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trema < 1286491077 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a "you can always replace a hyphen between syllables with adjacent vowels with a diaeresis" rule doesn't seem to be correct < 1286491089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: doesn't even have to be between syllables < 1286491098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although doing it everywhere it can go is annoying, it's not incorrect < 1286491102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you have to pronounce the two vowels separately < 1286491108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what a diaeresis means < 1286491117 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I find it hard to see how you could do that within a single syllable < 1286491123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, i mean < 1286491125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need a hyphen < 1286491126 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you were a Greek scholar you'd spell it... n/m < 1286491131 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PowerShell won't let me < 1286491151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The designated driver concept was developed in Scandinavia over several decades beginning in the 1920s" < 1286491157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scandinavia, always inventing newer, more modern ways to be drunk. < 1286491166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: just use TeX codes for it! < 1286491169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\"e for ë < 1286491175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :romanise greek text :P < 1286491245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, to what extent does the video not load? < 1286491256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it does now < 1286491294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opine. < 1286491312 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you know what you must do, you must aquire bancline and tellerplus and take it apart < 1286491333 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we in fact know that those are descended from BancSTAR? < 1286491339 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1286491349 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe not ever < 1286491387 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could just ask FIS if they know what happened to the code? < 1286491389 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some point, I'm going to write an email to someone at FIS < 1286491405 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bancstar (what is known about it) looks like good base for an esolang... < 1286491411 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are you OPINING? < 1286491543 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only esoteric because so little is known about it < 1286491595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that also apply to Schrödilang? < 1286491626 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a.k.a. Feather? < 1286491626 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's that? < 1286491628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: PC-BSD; pontificate < 1286491642 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: a joke language, I think it's on the wiki < 1286491646 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you call that opining? < 1286491658 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that there's only one known description on a floppy disk, with a powerful magnet to erase it at random < 1286491669 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nobody knows if there are any surviving descriptions or not < 1286491747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1286491894 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hash-occurs-check < 1286491903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what < 1286491910 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I email World Headquarters? < 1286491913 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, PC-BSD? < 1286491929 0 :tombom_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286491929 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no feelings toward it < 1286491936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moreinformation@fisglobal.com < 1286491948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: didn't think so :) < 1286491953 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i was wondering if you could efficiently do occurs checks by hashing the terms somehow < 1286491954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Detroit; pontificate < 1286491970 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Detroit is not nearly as cool as Windsor < 1286491983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windsor; monoglicks? < 1286491996 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windsor: a Canadian city where you look north to see a major US city < 1286492007 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286492041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Windsor: it's a place in Berkshire < 1286492055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: please -- stop me creating my own distro < 1286492057 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Which Windsor? There's 3 in Canada. < 1286492058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before all hell breaks loose < 1286492068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 4 in the UK. < 1286492071 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the cool one where the SALT is packages < 1286492074 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*packaged < 1286492079 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: STOP < 1286492081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the one with the castle in it < 1286492082 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP < 1286492083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: why < 1286492092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 23 in the US < 1286492095 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... there are cooler things to do with your time < 1286492108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they're harder < 1286492113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, 24. < 1286492116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: < 1286492119 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's why there are so many damned distros < 1286492120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't solve my day-to-day irritation < 1286492130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: So, Windsor, Ontario. < 1286492133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: trust me, mine is nothing like others :P (I've had it planned a while) < 1286492140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, really, nothing. < 1286492147 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes, < 1286492149 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1286492168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I thought of what a FeatherSCM would look like < 1286492182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1286492185 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in windsor, ON, if you look north, across the detroit river, you see detroit. < 1286492207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, Detroit-Windsor is itself a very good argument for opening up the US-Canada border. < 1286492211 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YakLinux ships with FeatherSCM. Film at 11 < 1286492216 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: every change *retroactively* changes all the previous ones, because changes are in reverse: that is, each revision is an entire diff that turns the revision after it into the empty string. so you modify the previous diff so it turns the latest revision into the empty string, then the one before it to compensate, so on, forever < 1286492233 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not all that Feather-like, really, just ridiculous < 1286492238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Detroit & Windsor are effectively a single city, seperated by a damned border crossing on the bridge between the two halves) < 1286492239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the key is that you collapse these < 1286492241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of turning into "" < 1286492244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they turn into the revision before it < 1286492261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so to revert you just run a diff < 1286492264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, diffs < 1286492268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it is feather, it's retroactive :P < 1286492282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but dude < 1286492284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Detroit sucks < 1286492286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Windsor any good? < 1286492321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Unlike Detroit, it has more to its economy than car manufacturing. < 1286492327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm saying is < 1286492332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :merging Detroit and Windsor would make Canada worse < 1286492338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the benefit of *Detroit!* < 1286492341 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1286492383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The border there is a bit like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Baarle-Nassau_fronti%C3%A8re_caf%C3%A9.jpg < 1286492389 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is how the rest of Canada knows Windsor: http://www.canadiandesignresource.ca/officialgallery/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/windsor_salt_canadian_design.jpg < 1286492401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Except with a damned customs checkpoint. < 1286492426 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Windsor kind of sucks too, but not anywhere near as bad as Detroit. It has some cool at the centre of its suckage. < 1286492444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Like I said, Windsor has more to its economy than car manufacturing. < 1286492470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if k=='q': < 1286492470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=min(P,20);L=min(L+q,300) < 1286492470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if P and L<301:U=min(U+q*3*(U>0),300);P-=q;T() < 1286492470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : continue < 1286492474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still offering prizes for golfing this < 1286492490 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286492493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the river is a bit wider than that i think :) < 1286492502 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Also, one of my esolangs was designed and written up there. < 1286492532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, but still. < 1286492536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think canada is my kind of country < 1286492540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AmbassadorBridgesunsetting1.jpg That's the actual bridge. < 1286492556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 's a pretty big bridge :P < 1286492565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ice in the water? < 1286492576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't see clearly < 1286492586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; Detroit is fucking cold in February. < 1286492596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, March. < 1286492648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: There's also a tunnel between the two, and a couple more bridges being built. < 1286492678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have you ever been to winnipeg? < 1286492697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because for some reason some 25% of trade between Canada & the US goes through Detroit-Windsor. < 1286492698 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. In fact, I was born there. < 1286492716 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Is it, in fact, a, and I quote, "frozen shithole"? < 1286492721 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lived there for the first, er, >2/3 of my life. < 1286492753 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i don't know that i've ever heard that *exact* term, but it's not wholly inaccurate < 1286492772 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C: < 1286492774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Is it, in fact, a "dogshit dildo"? Is it "fucking over"? Is it Steven Stapleton's armpit? Is it a boiling pot of cranberries? < 1286492785 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogshit dillo? < 1286492793 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i will stick to the first term you proposed < 1286492808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSHT NOBODY CAN APPRECIATE MY REFERENCES < 1286492825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnipeg_Is_a_Frozen_Shithole) < 1286492829 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well no one's going to ever figure out mzstorkipiwanbotbotbot either. < 1286492862 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly best if i wait til i'm home to follow that link < 1286492891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a radical idea < 1286492938 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1286492950 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :radish < 1286492956 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no < 1286492957 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put me < 1286492962 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fucking RAD < 1286492984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rad... ish. < 1286493030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: you still disagree with everything anyone says to you, right? < 1286493031 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I disagree! < 1286493063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you disagree with mzstorkipiwanbot? < 1286493064 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think now you're working on an os ( even ' kind of' proposed mean? ;p it might make sense < 1286493086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I should go home < 1286493092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286493171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Peacearch-usside.jpg The irony is you need to go through customs if you intend to go more than 50 feet past that "gate that will never close". < 1286493179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1286493192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that the border? < 1286493195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb question < 1286493196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it is < 1286493197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. < 1286493197 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mother of common children mait < 1286493202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Children of a common mother" is just wat < 1286493215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :America, I think you need to read up on Canadian history < 1286493244 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, another border crossing i've been through multiple times < 1286493256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a special exception, you are permitted to go past the border crossing *there* without clearing customs. < 1286493307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, you can't go past the nearby customs gates. < 1286493311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what format is /dev/dsp again? < 1286493317 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _will_ play Aquaria < 1286493326 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-bit unsigned PCM < 1286493340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1286493430 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you _will_ find bancstar < 1286493438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At, uh. 8 kHz mono. < 1286493472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/audio is 8-bit mu-Law at 8 kHz, BTW. < 1286493496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: behold: < 1286493505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl -e'print pack "c*",map {$_/=100;10*sin ($_*$_)} (0..25000)' >/dev/dsp < 1286493507 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes, I will. Later < 1286493508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds nice! < 1286493512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A swooping sci-fish effect. < 1286493515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, sci fish. < 1286493527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, that's fun. < 1286493533 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a bit shockingly loud. < 1286493537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sorry. < 1286493543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can scale it. < 1286493583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.5 is *not* shockingly loud. < 1286493638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now make a song out of it. < 1286493802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env perl < 1286493802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub p { print pack 'c*', @_ } < 1286493802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close STDOUT; open STDOUT, '>', '/dev/dsp'; < 1286493805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a header for you. < 1286493863 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1286493873 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aquaria download is 209MB < 1286493876 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 199MB free < 1286493880 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After deleting SL < 1286493945 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1286493952 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I seem to have plenty of space < 1286493957 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: ~@f={/a>100?~/a=~/a-1&"PRIVMSG mzstorkipiwanbot :@f} -- or similar < 1286493957 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I disagree! < 1286494009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wat :P < 1286494018 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it'll look something like that < 1286494046 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe #SELF can expand to the name of the bot or something < 1286494278 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taiwan's relationship with the US is so very fucked up. < 1286494289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“The act provides for Taiwan to be treated under U.S. laws the same as "foreign countries, nations, states, governments, or similar entities".” < 1286494303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really. We say that they are an independent nation in all but name. < 1286494338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: please debug my perl >__> < 1286494355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zeroes should be silence to /dev/dsp, right? < 1286494370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not with unsigned PCM. < 1286494374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1286494375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it then < 1286494377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1286494393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 0x0F < 1286494397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, my sin program works just as well piped to /dev/audio < 1286494406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is mu-Law really that similar to PCM? < 1286494417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...why 15 < 1286494426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286494427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that. < 1286494439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of my bytes seem to be getting dropped < 1286494444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub z { my $x = shift; p (15 x $x) } < 1286494444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub tck { p int(rand(256)) foreach 0..500 } < 1286494444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tck; < 1286494444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z(5000); < 1286494444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tck; < 1286494448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the same as tck;tck < 1286494450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason < 1286494465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it isn't silence < 1286494478 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: /dev/dsp is like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Pcm.svg but with more bits. < 1286494497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... the midpoint. < 1286494499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 128? < 1286494501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1286494509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now tell me why it doesn't work. < 1286494519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286494520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does now < 1286494521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i use print < 1286494522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not p < 1286494527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the packing is destroying it somehow ffff < 1286494546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mu-Law is very close to PCM. It's PCM with a logarithmic scale instead of linear. < 1286494572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sing < 1286494574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sing a song < 1286494577 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t (>_>) < 1286494580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: SHUT < 1286494611 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to hear me song? < 1286494614 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sing? < 1286494633 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :song it < 1286494674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Torture device: Me singing the Stargate Infinity theme < 1286494693 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG STOP STOP STOP STOP < 1286494747 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also make me watch ST:V at the same time < 1286494771 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ST:V isn't bad < 1286494773 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND DEBUG CORPORATE C++ < 1286494788 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it is to me. < 1286494809 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286494868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pretty hard to get a sharp sound here < 1286494875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a cymbal < 1286494892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, yes. It's 8kHz. < 1286494921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah but there's gotta be some sort of cymbally noise < 1286494928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everything has to be sludge! < 1286494941 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286494950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you do it on a phone? < 1286495070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1286495082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say "TSSSS" into the phone with a ... hiss, not a proper s. < 1286495321 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bad an idea would it be to put an installer on a remote machine (my school's machine) and run it locally? < 1286495345 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not a bad idea at all! < 1286495356 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'm sure your school wouldn't mind! < 1286495373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://pastie.org/1206539.txt?key=rtv18vjbsp2ihxz2blygq My attempt at laying down the phat beats. < 1286495385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, sarcasm? < 1286495559 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's on the schoolmachine? < 1286495592 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Storage space < 1286495605 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What OS? < 1286495649 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some variety of Linux < 1286495692 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION creates an sdf account < 1286495720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, you know how you were talking about university financial aid sucking in the US? < 1286495731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the sdf admin is a huge jackass < 1286495734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of years ago < 1286495747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O howso? < 1286495811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: when someone said something about the prices for registration or something he ranted about them, uhh, i don't remember, something idiotic and insulting about McDonalds < 1286495825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse than Theo de Raat level insults :) < 1286495912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah? < 1286495939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: BTW, that's just one of *many* things about US education that sucks. < 1286495941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I looked it up out of curiosity and that situation definitely seems to be non-universal. At least, MIT was the first one I found giving clear info about it-- < 1286495965 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: MIT and the Ivy Leagues are some of the *few* schools that offer decent financial aid. < 1286495967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statistics: 58% of undergrads awarded scholarship, average $26,800 < 1286495978 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is coming *from MIT*. < 1286495997 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I guess as long as you don't have the root password you can't fuck anything up TOO badly. for some reason i was assuming it was windows < 1286496003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, uh, their policy that I now can't find was "we literally don't look at money at all when admitting, and then we promise you can attend if we accept you" < 1286496006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah. < 1286496011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a bad example to look at, then! < 1286496015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The others must be too ashamed to talk about it. < 1286496017 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I wouldn't be installing it on the school's server < 1286496024 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be using the server as storage space < 1286496030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And using FUSE (I think) to install here < 1286496033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Harvard hands out free rides to people who can't afford to go to there. < 1286496041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, everything paid for) < 1286496043 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: oh like um wow ok < 1286496049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's quite strange, that. < 1286496055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Doesn't really gel with the elitism, does it? < 1286496056 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a 200mb file though < 1286496087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Anyone who's accepted there is already sufficiently elite for them. < 1286496092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Heh. < 1286496111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then Ivy League/MIT have a better system than the UK. < 1286496121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Get into Oxford? ENJOY YOUR STUDENT LOAN'S CRIPPLING DEBT < 1286496128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WILL BE STUCK WITH IT FOREVER < 1286496136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fellate the wonderful student loan company! They love you! < 1286496149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Even if you're coming from absolutely nothing, it's still someone who's pretty damned smart & hardworking, and as such likely to be future elite. < 1286496168 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, and Oxford's cheap by US standards. ;) < 1286496230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's probably cheaper to go to a European university. < 1286496243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not quite as classy as being able to whip out your I-went-to-Oxford/Harvard card. < 1286496254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want infuriating, though? < 1286496260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :US public school lunches. < 1286496277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to know. I don't even want to know. Go on. < 1286496279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fries & ketchup count as two servings of vegetables. < 1286496286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1286496288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's brilliant < 1286496292 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as such, every lunch comes with them. < 1286496318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you sent it to All Course Faculty, instead of me, so it placed your message in a different inbox." < 1286496322 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU ANGEL < 1286496330 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU IN THE REAR END < 1286496335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rear end? SRSLY < 1286496352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep fried, breaded cheese can count as a main course. (mozzarella cheese sticks) < 1286496368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: xD < 1286496379 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or (and this is very common) the world's greasiest, blandest pizza. < 1286496395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daily. < 1286496436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUSE is what I think it is, right? < 1286496462 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286496492 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286496527 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286496537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, and fries covered with imitation American cheese food sauce! < 1286496551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOORJ < 1286496551 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... With imitation bacon-flavored bits! < 1286496556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286496621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, most of it comes with imitation cheese or very cheap cheese, because it comes effectively free. < 1286496627 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do all distros use FUSE these days? < 1286496642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as a farm support program, the government buys all excess cheese. Really.) < 1286496666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, for ntfs-3g. < 1286496668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less. < 1286496677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why is america < 1286496692 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why does it mount by default under .gvfs? < 1286496701 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that an Ubuntu thing, a GNOME thing, or a FUSE thing? < 1286496707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: GNOME thing. < 1286496734 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does KDE do? < 1286496754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: kde doesn't < 1286496756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has kIO < 1286496757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1286496759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kio < 1286496760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1286496763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's also fuse < 1286496767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gnome's vfs fuse filesystem < 1286496786 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prefers GNOME's way < 1286496793 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1286496794 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1286496798 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait < 1286496803 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE doesn't use FUSE? < 1286496841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1286496848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are you sure you understand either way? < 1286496850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KDE's is superior. < 1286496856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can you explain fraternities to me? < 1286496858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. < 1286496877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No. < 1286496890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But... but you see, I don't get it. < 1286496899 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't use what KDE does from the commandline, can I? < 1286496923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Go on, try and use .gvfs from the command-line. < 1286496930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, pretty sure there is some sort of command-line infrastructure for it. < 1286496940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No seriously fraternities, explain them. < 1286496942 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm about to < 1286496950 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as this thing finishes uploading < 1286497000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Uh, drunk bastards live in communal housing. < 1286497006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's... About it. < 1286497036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, what, is there no communal housing without the drunk part? < 1286497038 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286497075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, they also get really worked up about it, due to practices such as "selective membership" and "keeping secrets". < 1286497193 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: NOW EXPLAIN FREEMASONRY < 1286497275 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-13-234.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286497280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to run a program located in .gvfs < 1286497304 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be working just fine < 1286497310 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit slow, really < 1286497410 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i should design really small objective lang that would allow to write concurrent programs easily < 1286497421 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of event driven shit < 1286497447 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking about my academic project for this semester < 1286497450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: FREEMASONRY < 1286497451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPLAIN IT < 1286497471 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, does sftp allow access to random parts of a file? If not, how does FUSE simulate it < 1286497526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: by reading all of it. < 1286497539 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Repeatedly? < 1286497577 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, how much random reading would a typical Linux installer require? < 1286497582 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: alpha lambda iota sigma epsilon < 1286497598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: whatever you're doing, just don't. < 1286497628 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having some trouble killing it < 1286497685 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to be unable to access my own filesystem < 1286497723 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now explain why you have weird names for every year of high school. < 1286497804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: EXPLAIN, AMERICA! Explain yourself! < 1286497810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :America is on trial and YOU are its representative! < 1286498020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Freshman sophomore junior senior? No clue. < 1286498054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And then you... reuse freshman at college level. < 1286498054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286498059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because TERMINOLOGY SHOULDN'T BE USEFUL < 1286498078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freshman sophomore junior senior through college, as well. < 1286498103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though freshman is cognate to UK "fresher"... < 1286498115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I got nothing. < 1286498139 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@128.198.97.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286498148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now freemasonry. < 1286498191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You first. < 1286498194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? Alright then. Goodnight. < 1286498195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. :P < 1286498198 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a UK organisation. < 1286498199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286498202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That got exported. < 1286498316 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286498699 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286498835 0 :augur_!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286498854 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286498864 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286498914 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286499222 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1286499667 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286500407 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. A data: URI quine. < 1286500679 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use gzip or something in data: URI? < 1286500809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data:application/x-gzip;base64, says yes < 1286500960 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nu omega omega gamma alpha < 1286500973 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1286501603 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286501614 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286501990 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286502320 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then it should be possible to make... There's already gzip quine. < 1286502341 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr < 1286502345 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've lost weight < 1286502349 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :109.5lbs < 1286502354 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 111 < 1286502368 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the scale is off, or that's a normal range of variation < 1286502416 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You don't happen to drink full-fat milk? < 1286502428 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..no, why? < 1286502451 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah... Because full fat milk isn't that great for weight gain... < 1286502460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm pretty sure that's not an *atypical* range of variation. < 1286502482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you just eat a typical American diet? Y'know, deep-fried lard. < 1286502503 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of signed up for this bone marrow donor thing a while ago.. < 1286502510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the limit is 110 < 1286502549 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/do3cw/thats_what_happens_when_your_cs_curriculum_is/c11n5f1 < 1286502553 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lard isn't great for weight gain either... Loads of carbohydrates and fats might work... < 1286502568 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I'm being silly. < 1286502586 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially soft fats... < 1286503513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmmmmmm < 1286503513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soft fats < 1286503514 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spread soft fats on toast for breakfast. < 1286503732 0 :antivigilante__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1286503778 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I was 111lbs, would it be safe for me to be donating blood? < 1286503898 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, weight gain using "all means necressary" might not be healthy... < 1286504081 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, like some people getting Diabetes type 2 (NASTY NASTY disease) without even being "overweight". < 1286504143 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to lose diabetes type 2? < 1286504216 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe... Maybe not... < 1286504265 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that's to "if it is possible at all"). Typically it will not be lost. < 1286504466 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286504542 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286504648 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its not even known what exactly causes diabetes type 2... < 1286504789 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type 2 diabetes is essentially extreme intolerance to carbohydrates and inability to keep blood sugars (even fasting) in check. < 1286504812 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to very high levels of insulin resistance. < 1286505227 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: So, what, all we know is that there is a *correlation* between excess consumption of carbohydrates & type 2 diabetes? < 1286505265 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its not carbohydrates per se. Nor it is fast carbohydrates per se... < 1286505301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that I'm just saying "correlation". < 1286505330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, as we all well know, says fuck-all about actual causes. < 1286505391 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the impression it was something to do with the metabolization of carbohydrates. < 1286505409 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or sugars. < 1286505651 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess what I mean is we can say what "causes" it -- insulin is no longer doing what it's supposed to. < 1286505661 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What causes *that* is the mystery. < 1286505686 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just one more thing that medicine is completely in the dark about. < 1286506271 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286506814 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: #haskell is very active while #scheme is essentially dead. do you see any significance in this? < 1286507153 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286507198 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286507701 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286507768 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually its known bit further: Pancreas can no longer pump the amount of insulin required to keep blood sugars in check. And when that happens, things start getting downhill really fast. < 1286507811 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what causes the extreme insulin resistance required... < 1286508087 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes. < 1286511062 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge9VfALthLI < 1286511241 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1286511265 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an almost-surreal level of stupidity. < 1286511687 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll he was probably mentally retarded. it's not really surreal < 1286512316 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It no open push harder". < 1286512370 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me like if you're going to the basement, gravity's on your side anyway, so who needs the car? < 1286512405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that elevator door seems kinda flimsy. < 1286512442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, it's not like they *should* need to take someone ramming the door, but still... < 1286513066 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try harder! < 1286514499 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i watch this? perhaps this commentary and my imagination is quite enough < 1286515030 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only 46 seconds, just watch it :P < 1286515042 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's so, so mind-boggling. < 1286515178 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude i so do not remember my youtube login sigh < 1286515612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :アイ ワンダ ワイ エニワン エバ サウット ザット ハーフ ウィッス カタカナ ワズ ア グード アイディア。 [ai wanntà wai eniwann ehà sau'to sà'to hâhu uī'su katakana wasù a k`ûtò aitèīa.](I wonder why anyone ever thought that half-width katakana was a good idea.) < 1286515749 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ... you don't need to log in to YouTube to watch videos ... < 1286515789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That one you do. < 1286515795 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it wanted to confirm i was >=18 years old < 1286515799 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this, i had to log in < 1286515806 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1286515811 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so weird :P < 1286515812 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because google is supergenuises < 1286515823 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like it's pornographic, or even violent really ... < 1286515978 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the youtube community HAS SPOKEN. < 1286516119 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo The infobox on this page makes me laugh. < 1286516704 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286516878 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: I'm waiting for anyone to say anything at all in #scheme. < 1286516879 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's wonderful for you! < 1286516902 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286517028 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286517036 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot, are you a Hobbit? < 1286517037 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's wonderful for you! < 1286517054 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mmmmkay < 1286517102 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo, you've made it more positive. < 1286517128 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :far, far too much so < 1286517154 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it recognizes privmsgs and commas after its name now < 1286517248 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, someone said something in #scheme < 1286517326 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:51 < Riastradh> Boo! < 1286517570 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good language to rewrite it in? < 1286517579 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking lua < 1286518285 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286518326 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, lua patterns -- not so powerful (no captures) < 1286518336 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1286518383 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day < 1286518384 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no i wrong there is captures yay < 1286518406 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, they have captures, but are not full regular expressions. < 1286518511 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286518577 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. looks like you can't do kleene star (etc) on a group. only on a character class. < 1286518721 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286518795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:55:26 <cpressey> 23:51 < Riastradh> Boo! < 1286518795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:59:30 <cpressey> what's a good language to rewrite it in? < 1286518804 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were in the wrong order, right? < 1286518815 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1286518880 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MNEH < 1286518907 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286518920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually know Boo, but it has a good name < 1286518938 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about duck typing and .NET is all I remember < 1286518973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :statically typed said google's wp abstract < 1286518986 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION frowns < 1286518994 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be static duck typed i guess < 1286518995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you note i didn't bother to actually click it :D) < 1286519005 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "structural" < 1286519019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: ocaml) < 1286519240 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say ocaml < 1286519252 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "structural" i have never heard of in that way < 1286519964 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286519970 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: hi! < 1286519970 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's wonderful for you! < 1286519980 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: what language are you written in now? < 1286519980 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's wonderful for you! < 1286519990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua! You don't say! < 1286519990 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's wonderful for you! < 1286519994 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops. < 1286519994 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's wonderful for you! < 1286519995 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: I have cancer < 1286519995 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: That's wonderful for you! < 1286519998 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286520014 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this bot < 1286520132 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has Genuine People Personalities < 1286520133 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286520145 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should not respond to me if I just say things < 1286520156 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot, but you should respond to this < 1286520156 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's wonderful for you! < 1286520160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot! and this! < 1286520160 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That's wonderful for you! < 1286520168 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not this mzstorkipiwanbot < 1286520200 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok wow. i am such an l33t c0d3r < 1286520214 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's see if it survives a ping < 1286520485 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286520502 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286520520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was that a no < 1286520527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286520537 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't say ping timeout < 1286520546 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it did survive. then i killed it < 1286520558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MONSTER < 1286520573 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made it better, faster, stronger, able to respond to privmsgs < 1286520586 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the six million drachma bot < 1286520925 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the Gophernicus (Gopher server) README: "Gophertags: A gophertag file can be used to rename a directory without renaming the di... uh, confusing. Ask Cameron." < 1286520930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some quality documentation. < 1286520973 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cameron was of course last seen prepare to fly a small plane over the pacific < 1286520978 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*preparing < 1286521058 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically looking for amelia earhart < 1286521474 0 :tombom!~tombom@82.18.198.64 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286521474 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286521474 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286521690 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286522878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286524182 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286524246 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286524799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286524800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286524922 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716] < 1286525657 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286527332 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286528186 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286528266 0 :augur_!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286528266 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286528311 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1286528574 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286530667 0 :jix!~jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286532965 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286533721 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone got the latest version of vagrant < 1286535982 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286536251 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286536867 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.114.37 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286536874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crimes... < 1286537084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:39:31 <Sgeo> ST:V isn't bad < 1286537084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1286537088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right actually < 1286537090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's terrible < 1286537364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:16:05 <cheater> hi < 1286537364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:28:41 <cheater> anyone got the latest version of vagrant < 1286537365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me. < 1286538253 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-72.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286538311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> 02:28:41 <cheater> anyone got the latest version of vagrant < 1286538311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> me. < 1286538943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: ^ presumably you want it? < 1286539899 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayyyybe < 1286540340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The saying “I have got your back” almost never has the literal meaning of receipt or possession of another’s spine.]] --Wikipedia < 1286540397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: do you have the new debug.py < 1286540399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286540496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: < 1286540497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1207461.txt?key=sjdgc6ofjjhavzf6dhcwvg vagrant.py < 1286540499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1207462.txt?key=yb3txfhuiste4fydjs3eg debug.py < 1286540567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: I think this *may* break on Python 2.7. < 1286540572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it uses / for floor(x/y). < 1286540866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no it should work < 1286541951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: BAH SO UNAPPRECIATIVE < 1286542400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286542404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Phantom_Hoover. < 1286542423 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1286542446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Alt. < 1286542462 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ctrl? < 1286542517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly. < 1286542545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things I saw today: A pretentious person nit-picking perfectly fine grammar on a self-avowed prescriptivist's about page. < 1286542660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286542664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*descriptivist's < 1286542668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always mix 'em up, I do. < 1286542892 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1286542902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you actually watch that video? < 1286542910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, goddammit! Stop mentioning t! < 1286542922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION strangles Phantom_Hoover < 1286542932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chokes. < 1286542940 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swatpans alise --==\#/ < 1286543038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously I knocked him out. < 1286543050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good lord, the writer of Megatokyo is over forty. It must take great skill to be that much of a 20-year-old shut-in for the purpose of making a terrible webcomic. < 1286543053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1286543057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I am knocked out. < 1286543060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is horrible. < 1286543241 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286543256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have a copy of this month's National Geographic to hand? < 1286543270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No -- should I, and why? < 1286543274 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286543295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like National Geographic's logo a lot. < 1286543334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I presume you noticed llvm 2.8 is out btw? < 1286543337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The yellow rectangle? < 1286543358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't follow LLVM. Probably because I don't use it. < 1286543361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1286543369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I thought you loved clang? < 1286543376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's quite a strong brand identity, I feel. Also the proportions are nice. < 1286543389 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, "love" is a bit strong for anything to do with C -- or Unix -- but I like it, yes. < 1286543394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is still my go-to compiler out of laziness, however. < 1286543397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286543409 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well yeah, same here < 1286543416 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proportions are more or less standard A4, aren't they? < 1286543438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Feel free to work it out. Anyway, I just like it because it's extremely simple and sticks in the mind. < 1286543459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed < 1286543528 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs Gimp. < 1286543562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, GIMP. It's utterly horrible and it's all you've got! < 1286543570 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep! < 1286543589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately, I only need to get approximate pixel counts. < 1286543596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GIMP developers need, like, an award for terrible UI design. < 1286543613 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't GTK directly lifted out of GIMP? < 1286543687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Sort of." < 1286543702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've long known that the An series has the 1:sqrt(2) aspect ratio -- which is of course nice because of the fold-in-half property, 1/sqrt(2) = sqrt(2)/2 -- but I only recently realized that the absolute sizes have a logic in them, too: A0 has a surface area of one square metre. (Well, .0999949, but that's just because the edge lengths have been rounded to millimetres.) < 1286543703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: When the GIMP started, they wrote all sorts of widgets and infrastructure to fit their needs. < 1286543713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they ripped GTK out of it, but I'm pretty sure it's been rewritten by now, what with 2.0 and all. < 1286543727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.0/./ < 1286543736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that's exactly why it was used. < 1286543747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, the An series is rather excessively mathematical. :) < 1286543763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1:sqrt(2) ratio isn't so aesthetically pleasing though, in my opinion. < 1286543772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, A4 pieces of paper just look... slightly too long. < 1286543778 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It can be shown that the B series formats are geometric means between the A series format with a particular number and the A series format with one lower number. For example, B1 is the geometric mean between A1 and A0." Heh. < 1286543813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In order to construct its interface GIMP uses the GIMP tool kit (GTK+). GTK+ was designed to replace Motif, a proprietary toolkit upon which GIMP depended. Originally GTK+ was a part of the GIMP source tree, but has since been made into a standalone library. While originally being designed to run on Unix-like operating systems, GIMP and GTK+ have been ported to Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, and other operating systems.]] < 1286543820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So GTK+ was always separate, in another directory, at least. It seems. < 1286543852 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NG logo is about .04 out from a 1:root 2 ratio. < 1286543889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Based on your downscaled pixel copy. < 1286543935 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The error isn't significant at all. < 1286543966 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I wasn't using a particularly accurate method to get the pixel counts. < 1286544027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1286544036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now -- is it intentional? < 1286544054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Beastie wontedly carries a trident to symbolize a software daemon's forking of processes." < 1286544058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh God, I never got that until now. < 1286544084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan*, the BSD daemon isn't free either: < 1286544086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The copyright of the BSD daemon is held by Marshall Kirk McKusick (a very early BSD developer who worked with Bill Joy). He has freely licensed the mascot for individual "personal use within the bounds of good taste (an example of bad taste was a picture of the BSD daemon blowtorching a Solaris logo)." Any use requires both a copyright notice and attribution.]] < 1286544260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double groan -- and then from the linked page "Devilette": < 1286544264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Devilette (also known as daemonbabe, daemonchick, daemoness, daemonette, and BSD chick) is a brunette woman garbed in a red latex catsuit with horns and a tail, stylized after the BSD Daemon. They are often spotted as promotional models at BSD-related events. The original BSD chick was Ceren Ercen of FreeBSD Test Labs, whose position there was "Strange Attractor".]] < 1286544268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexism? What's that? < 1286544837 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i like you because you have nice breastesses < 1286544848 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breast...esses. < 1286544878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sentence is so flawed it needs a medal. Or a plaque, to warn others -- "On the 8th of October 2010, at this site, ..." < 1286545007 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://www.bishopston.com/jamie/misc/bsd-daemonette/bsd.jpg < 1286545010 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT HOT < 1286545016 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see, the thing is < 1286545060 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :miffy wo-Men whip their twats out in an attempt to attract the desperates, therefore creating sexism < 1286545065 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the actual source of it < 1286545069 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the men. < 1286545088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have absolutely no response. < 1286545326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: you do realise you just tried to explain the existence of sexism with absurd sexism? < 1286545464 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that absurd? < 1286545480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, the New Scientist have interviewed Jon Richfield. < 1286545508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts the troll on /ignore < 1286545734 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ? < 1286545753 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares at alise real hard. : < 1286545756 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286545865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stares into the void real hard. < 1286546003 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ? < 1286546011 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1286546127 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: not funny. < 1286546239 0 :alise_!~alise@91.105.99.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286546245 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fondant < 1286546266 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286546280 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: stop being silly < 1286546289 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_: are you mad at me or something? < 1286546305 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm restarting my client removed the ignore < 1286546307 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fixes < 1286546419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286546428 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mm, fondant. < 1286546441 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1286546443 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises he doesn't know what fondant actually is. < 1286546446 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just made no sense what so ever < 1286546464 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now why is there a Jerry Falwell quote in my fortune DB? < 1286546473 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's that cake icing stuff. < 1286546673 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fondue fondant < 1286547184 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://adamcadre.ac/content/deviance.png < 1286547186 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deviant time zones. < 1286547274 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wha...? < 1286547299 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the legend. < 1286547306 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know -- at the bottom. < 1286547317 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you suck, alise_. < 1286547421 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise_, that link redirects to http://a.imageshack.us/img714/3807/hotlinko.jpg < 1286547451 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, see the legend! < 1286547453 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://adamcadre.ac/misc.html < 1286547457 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click "this". < 1286547533 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why did it do that in the first place? < 1286547542 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the filename. < 1286547595 0 :alise_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1286547714 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: stop being childish. you haven't even discussed this with me, and decided to clam up like a teenag... oh. < 1286547716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see why. < 1286547719 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286547728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hotlinking. < 1286547730 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286547734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286547783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, poor HackEgo. < 1286547799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew him, Horatio. < 1286547820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, too, can quote Shakespeare. < 1286547889 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< alise> Vorpal: I don't follow LLVM. Probably because I don't use it. <-- omg follow llvm on facebook < 1286547892 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286547892 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286547899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1286547904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM has 34573589347534895793478934534539458345 fans. < 1286547912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hellp < 1286547914 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellp < 1286547919 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286547923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1286547925 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't. but there is a llvm interest page. written in italian, for reasons not known to me. 32 people like it. < 1286547928 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awklisp \ babies \ bin \ cube2.base64 \ cube2.jpg \ hack_gregor \ hello.txt \ help.txt \ huh \ netcat-0.7.1 \ netcat-0.7.1.tar.gz \ out.txt \ paste \ poetry.txt \ quotes \ qw.pl \ share \ tmpdir.11826 \ wunderbar_emporium < 1286547938 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1286547939 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote \ calc \ commands \ creatures \ define \ esolang \ etymology \ fortune \ fuck \ google \ helpme \ imdb \ karma \ marco \ minifind \ paste \ penis \ ping \ quote \ rec \ roll \ runasperl \ runfor \ sayhi \ strfile \ swedish \ toutf8 \ translate \ translatefromto \ translateto \ twat \ unstr \ url \ vagina \ wolfram < 1286547942 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :93|<Oranjer> oohhh <Oranjer> ha <Oranjer> heh <madbrain> and what are your other characteristics? <Oranjer> oh, many, madbrain <Oranjer> but it's hardly worth it to go on with listing that list here < 1286547947 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< alise> gcc is still my go-to compiler out of laziness, however. <-- i have switcht to pcc < 1286547969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: haha, really? < 1286547978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology etymology < 1286547998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology entomology < 1286548050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology rabies < 1286548071 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :entomology \ 1766, from Fr. entomologie (1764), coined from Gk. entomon "insect" + -logia "study of" (see -logy). Entomon is neut. of entomos "having a notch or cut (at the waist)," from en "in" (see en- (2)) + temnein "to cut" (see tome). So called by Aristotle in reference to the segmented division of insect bodies. Compare < 1286548071 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rabies \ 1590s, from L. rabies "madness, rage, fury," related to rabere "be mad, rave" (see rage). Sense of "madness in dogs" was a secondary meaning in Latin. \ \ rage (n.) \ c.1300, from O.Fr. raige (11c.), from M.L. rabia, from L. rabies "madness, rage, fury," related to rabere "be mad, rave." Related to rabies, of < 1286548071 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etymology \ late 14c., ethimolegia "facts of the origin and development of a word," from O.Fr. et(h)imologie (14c., Mod.Fr. tymologie), from L. etymologia, from Gk. etymologia, properly "study of the true sense of a word," from etymon "true sense" (neut. of etymos "true," related to eteos "true") + logos "word." In classical < 1286548094 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology childish < 1286548096 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :childish \ O.E. cildisc "proper to a child," from child + -ish. Meaning "puerile, immature, like a child" in a bad sense is from early 15c. Related: Childishness. \ \ ma \ 1823, childish or colloquial shortening of mamma. \ \ gran \ childish abbreviation of grandmother, 1863. \ \ peepee \ 1923, childish reduplication < 1286548109 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology clammed up < 1286548111 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286548120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/etymology < 1286548128 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology egocentric < 1286548131 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ echo 'Look up what?' \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ QUERY=`echo -n "$1" | od -t x1 -A n -w1000 | tr " " %` \ \ lynx --cfg=/dev/null --lss=/dev/null \ \ --dump --width=1000 'http://etymonline.com/?search='"$QUERY" | \ grep -A 100 ']'"$1" | \ sed 's/\[[0-9]*\]//g ; s/ Look up.*// ; s/ */ /g' < 1286548143 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egocentric \ 1900, from ego + -centric. Related: Egocentricity; egocentrism. \ \ \ * Introduction and abbreviations \ * Who did this? \ * Sources \ * Links \ \ * 2001-2010 Douglas Harper \ * Logo design by LogoBee.com \ * Page design and coding by Dan McCormack \ \ References \ \ 1. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php < 1286548154 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology egocentrism < 1286548156 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286548165 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology egocentricity < 1286548172 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286548172 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology selfish < 1286548176 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :selfish \ 1630s, from self + -ish. Said in Hacket's life of Archbishop Williams (1693) to have been coined by Presbyterians. In the 17c., synonyms included self-seeking (1620s), self-ended and self-ful. \ \ Let us understand what our own selfish genes are up to, because we may then at least have the chance to upset their < 1286548183 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology infantile < 1286548186 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infantile \ 1690s, "pertaining to infants," from L. infantilis, from infans (see infant). Sense of "infant-like" is from 1772. \ \ ta \ 1772, "natural infantile sound of gratitude" [Weekley]. \ \ tummy \ 1867, infantile for stomach. Tummy-ache is attested from 1926. \ \ poliomyelitis \ 1878, from Gk. polios < 1286548191 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: for my own stuff, yes. obv there is not a lot "out there" that i can get to compile with it < 1286548221 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology infantry < 1286548223 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infantry \ 1570s, from Fr. infantrie, from older It., Sp. infanteria "foot soldiers, force composed of those too inexperienced or low in rank for cavalry," from infante "foot soldier," originally "a youth," from L. infantem (see infant). \ \ zouave \ 1848, from Fr., from Arabic Zwawa, from Berber Igawawaen, name of a < 1286548246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hmm, i thought pcc had pretty good compatibility < 1286548249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any examples of failure? < 1286548273 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's more to the effect of makefiles written with gcc specifically in mind. also i'm lazy < 1286548292 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*makefiles and such < 1286548380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have you played VAGRANT yet? < 1286548396 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology bipolar < 1286548398 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bipolar \ "having two poles," from bi- + polar; 1810 with figurative sense of "of double aspect;" 1859 with reference to physiology. Psychiatric use in reference to what had been called manic-depressive psychosis is said to have begun 1957 with Ger. psychiatrist Karl Leonhard. The term became popular early 1990s. Bipolar disorder < 1286548406 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no. i will tonight if the latest copy is conspicuously posted to a pastbin somewhere. < 1286548419 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i spent last night rewriting mzstorkipiwanbot in lua < 1286548425 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not all night obv < 1286548437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: paste it now or later? < 1286548449 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: now unless you plan awesome upgrades today < 1286548459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i am working on it < 1286548467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it sort of lacks monster AI right now, but you can see how long you can survive and stuff < 1286548474 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rack up cash < 1286548526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's currently 1600 bytes plus an ending newline. < 1286548538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which isn't required, I just have it in there; I'll remove it, I guess) < 1286548553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, emacs doesn't let me :) < 1286548684 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology silly < 1286548686 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly \ O.E. geslig "happy" (related to sl "happiness"), from W.Gmc. *sligas (cf. O.N. sll "happy," Goth. sels "good, kindhearted," O.S. salig, M.Du. salich, O.H.G. salig, Ger. selig "blessed, happy, blissful"), from PIE base *sel- "happy" (cf. Gk. hilaros "gay, cheerful," L. solari "to comfort," salvus "whole, safe"). The < 1286548695 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1286548786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know Mario Kart is practically designed to let the worse player win, right?" < 1286548788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO NO NO DON'T SAY THAT < 1286548841 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology hateful < 1286548843 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hateful \ late 14c., from hate + -ful. \ \ loath \ O.E. la "hostile, repulsive," from P.Gmc. *laithaz (cf. O.Fris. leed, O.N. leir "hateful, hostile, loathed;" M.Du. lelijc, Du. leelijk "ugly;" O.H.G. leid "sorrowful, hateful, offensive, grievous," Ger. Leid "sorrow;" Fr. laid "ugly," from Frankish *laid). Weakened < 1286548855 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology hostile < 1286548866 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology unfair < 1286548869 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hostile \ late 15c., from M.Fr. hostile "of or belonging to an enemy," from L. hostilis, from hostis "enemy" (see guest). The noun meaning "hostile person" is recorded from 1838, Amer.Eng., a word from the Indian Wars. \ \ foe \ O.E. gefa "adversary in deadly feud," from fah "at feud, hostile," from P.Gmc. *fakhaz < 1286548869 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfair \ O.E. unfgr "unlovely," from un- (1) "not" + fair. Cf. O.N. ufagr, Goth. unfagrs. Meaning "wicked, evil, bad" is recorded from c.1300. Sense of "not equitable, unjust" is first recorded 1713. \ \ unequal \ 1530s, "unjust, unfair," from un- (1) "not" + equal. Meaning "not the same in amount, size, quality, etc." is recorded < 1286548901 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology trustunworthy < 1286548908 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286548969 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286549073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes AI super-verbosely to reduce later < 1286549561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, they follow me now. < 1286549563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrealistically, but... < 1286549569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Quick, propose a crazy HP system. < 1286549647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ...I have a crazy one, if you're dry for ideas. < 1286549779 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1286549782 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am < 1286549794 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atleastforthat < 1286549849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Here's a clue (well -- giveaway) as to how my method works: < 1286549864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To decode the HP from the character value in the field, you do int(1/.(x-81))-1 < 1286549870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1286549877 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286549939 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286549974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and to give the rest away, to encode the HP, add 1/(hp+1) to the character value. < 1286549978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 2 hp = 81.5 < 1286549987 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286549988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 hp < 1286549989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 81.5 < 1286549994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 hp = 81.008064516129039 < 1286549995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thereabouts < 1286550309 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286550358 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hp for monsters,81=Q, i get that much < 1286550368 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless 81 is not Q < 1286550372 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems hi < 1286550386 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it is < 1286550423 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, it might be more fair to say DICE C is my go-to compiler these days :D < 1286550443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 81 is Q, yeah < 1286550447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but storing hp in the actual character grid < 1286550451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is done with this method < 1286550454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then D() just does int(cell) < 1286550456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they all show as Q < 1286550458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286550462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just my current plan < 1286550462 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286550468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not entirely serious < 1286550475 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here i thought beefier monsters would be R, S, T... < 1286550637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ooh, that's almost an amazing idea < 1286550660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but it's TOO PRECISE, it doesn't have float rounding quirks! < 1286550739 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Float rounding quarks! < 1286551039 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286551153 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286551714 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286551791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snorlid < 1286551947 0 :cpressey_!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286551962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_ sees all the presseys < 1286551994 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Scaling Everest was, by far, the most amazing and transformative experience of my life. Unfortunately, this is a thesis on context-free grammars. " < 1286552011 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1286552032 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know any mechanical CADs for linux? < 1286552039 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... lawl. < 1286552190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes :) < 1286552206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (It's from the Little Lytton contest.) < 1286552212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Lyttle < 1286552221 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The king of ketchups was being dethroned, and I wanted an explanation. " < 1286552228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ais523 wrote: < 1286552228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> the truth of the condition, the only conclusion is that it's undecidable < 1286552228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> whether or not alise managed to become inactive; unlike, say, < 1286552228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> registration where there's a requirement to be reasonably unambiguous, < 1286552228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's alise?]] --Ed Murphy, Agora < 1286552289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wha? < 1286552323 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Anamaria had already gotten up obviously because there was no Anamaria in Anamaria’s bed. " < 1286552341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Wha?"? < 1286552358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you paste that email? < 1286552360 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Today we are randomly quoting stuff" < 1286552362 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the context? < 1286552423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the context was given in the email! < 1286552481 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is ais going on about? < 1286552516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a scam < 1286552541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Dr. Metzger turned to greet his new patient, blithely unaware he would soon become a member of a secret brotherhood as old as urology itself.]] < 1286552554 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Sophi broke down in tears, like a diesel car that had run out of petrol. " < 1286552564 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shmortz < 1286552664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"His eyes were brown, although you wouldn't know it just by looking." < 1286552759 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Under Bob’s fez was another. " < 1286553076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" * There is simply no scientific or mathematical formula that defines conservatism." < 1286553092 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sad part is that that's from a real bestseller. < 1286553288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What I like about the second one is not the content but rather the way the reader has to suddenly recast what seemed like simple narration as the thoughts of a character who is for some reason thinking in the narrative pluperfect." < 1286553478 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that one, again? < 1286553513 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This raises the question of how often Asian-Americans who themselves have Anglo names decide to play up the ethnic heritage angle. Like, if Matt and Lisa Sullivan of Somerville can stick their kid with something like Siobhan, do Tim and Amy Lee of Sunnyvale ever say, "Fuck it — we're going with Huang"? " < 1286553629 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286553736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The meteor formed a crater, vampires crawling out of the crater. " < 1286553753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Bill's goiter had burst and it was on my head, Mary thought quietly." was it < 1286553764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that was it. < 1286553902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The door dilated[1]. < 1286553903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1]This is in the future, when doors dilate instead of opening the way they do now. < 1286554011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It clawed its way out of Katie, bit through the cord and started clearing." < 1286554041 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Tuesday. Africa. Lion o’clock. " < 1286554110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Ah, poetic Paris: with its pâtés and beaujolais, tiramisu and au jus.]] < 1286554120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't stop laughing < 1286554160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ship sliced through the ocean like wood through water. < 1286554174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The saying “I have got your back” almost never has the literal meaning of receipt or possession of another’s spine. " ← Wikipedia strikes back! < 1286554249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MacGyver had grown old. < 1286554282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“What a horrible future we live in!” said FutureMax! < 1286554303 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" *((Gotta put First Things First))* " — Sarah Palin < 1286554307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The flowers in the meadow grew slowly, as did my erection." < 1286554308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY GUYS < 1286554312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE READING THE LYTTLE LYTTON RESULTS < 1286554315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISN'T THAT QUOTABLE < 1286554352 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-206.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286554437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fukutsuru died in 2005 but his frozen sperm lived on for people’s benefit. < 1286554442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this is the all-time winner, from Wikipedia < 1286554493 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286554498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternate version of that: "Fukutsuru died in 2005 but he lives on through the continued use of his frozen sperm." < 1286554509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fukutsuru is survived by his frozen sperm. < 1286554568 0 :cpressey_!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286554660 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286554743 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything leaks memory < 1286554746 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1286554758 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unavoidable in some greater, pseudo-philosophical sense < 1286554761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka second law of thermodynamics < 1286554780 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prit' near < 1286554812 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good justification for sloppy coding < 1286554887 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one among many < 1286554920 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number one justification is still "who cares, it will save us tens of thousands of dollars", i think < 1286554997 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second law of thermodynamics is a good justification for sloppy coding. < 1286555002 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seeeeee... < 1286555023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor has cpressey_ on ignore < 1286555178 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or he has collapse-aka turned on in his reasoning module < 1286555217 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I am reminded of an NNTP header I saw on usenet once a long time ago < 1286555231 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Organization: None (why fight entropy?) < 1286555240 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1286555322 0 :zeotrope!~vib@bas3-kitchener06-1096641690.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1286555322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the vision of an AI opening his Preferences dialogue and turning on all these silly options. < 1286555329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :patience-level [====[ ]========] < 1286555338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] use-contractions < 1286555368 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*image, not vision < 1286555373 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286555556 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] appreciate music and poetry < 1286555564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if blind people have auditions instead of visions < 1286555591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: NO ROBOST DO NOT USE SPACSE < 1286555596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE COMPUTERS OND'T < 1286555611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could not have spelled "don't" more incorrectly. < 1286555636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an evil spelling if you know your norwegian < 1286555734 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: O'NTD say you couldn't have spelled "don't" more incorrectly. < 1286555858 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? I y5'pw think so. < 1286555882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eiorjt5 < 1286556124 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things in Hungary soptne look good... < 1286556177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your fjosdijg. < 1286556210 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wha? < 1286556355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\mfndfklgm. < 1286556398 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286556497 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286556525 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help < 1286556525 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: i mean, there are alot of scheme documents including tutorials here: http://www.schemers.org/ documents/ standards/ r5rs/ html/ mzlib/ mzlib-z-h-40.htmlnode_chap_40 < 1286556550 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: help < 1286556558 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: help < 1286556578 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: help < 1286556579 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: That's wonderful for you! < 1286557038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if the helium shortage will result in the moon landings being taken seriously again. < 1286557048 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1286557048 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1286557057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. < 1286557064 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286557074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unmanned probes? < 1286557079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ah. i guess norway can scratch that new trade deal we trying to get with china. < 1286557088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*we were < 1286557111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1286557116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how it's we < 1286557121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you're all part of the government < 1286557123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and share in the spoils < 1286557289 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, what are the alternative helium supplies? < 1286557297 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUSION < 1286557302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FISSION < 1286557305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiss it < 1286557331 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atmosphere probably has some, even if it leaks < 1286557345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recycle the balloons < 1286557345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1286557346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just more expensive to extract < 1286557358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you don't own the balloon, you just rent it out" < 1286557375 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the problem with that is that balloons leak helium too. < 1286557395 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :myndzi < 1286557415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides half the fun with helium balloons is making helium voices < 1286557429 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUSH < 1286557437 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, just use hydrogen. < 1286557439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke < 1286557444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: omg i just realised that i've never inhaled helium < 1286557453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seconds later, i realise that i'm probably too scared to < 1286557456 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i have either, actually < 1286557488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have. < 1286557492 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although not much. < 1286557521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: Joe Pasquale actually inhaled an entire tank of helium as a child. < 1286557531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when it runs out... < 1286557613 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why would there be more helium on the moon than earth, anyway? it's not like the moon keeps it any better. < 1286557632 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Sure™. < 1286557644 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without an atmosphere to speak of at all < 1286557669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I could Google. < 1286557704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well it's made of cheese, and we all know what a main component of cheese is... < 1286557714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The abundance of helium-3 is thought to be greater on the Moon (embedded in the upper layer of regolith by the solar wind over billions of years) and the solar system's gas giants (left over from the original solar nebula)" < 1286557736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also about fusion - last time i saw a discussion someone pointed out that to get enough helium from fusion we would have to increase energy consumption a _lot_ < 1286557742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always synthesise helium with a load of alpha sources. < 1286557745 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on reddit) < 1286557747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thisisindexed.com/ needs more plotlines. < 1286557753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that would be terribly inefficient. < 1286557754 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FYOO ZHUN < 1286557758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: CAN WE NOT JOKE < 1286557765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's helium-3, the less common isotope iirc < 1286557795 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes, but later in that sentence it says the He-4 concentration is ~28ppm. < 1286557795 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: YOU DON'T JOKE ABOUT SCIENCE < 1286557806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fakescience.tumblr.com/ < 1286557809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant, somehow < 1286557852 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hm yeah i guess if there is a process to get it into the moon rock faster than it leaks out < 1286557853 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want Vorpal to contribute to this discussion < 1286557861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: i really don't < 1286557897 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how about ancient Chinese sage Fu Zhun? < 1286557904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats Vorpal < 1286557905 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well, the helium is being smashed straight into the rocks, rather than having to go through an atmosphere. < 1286557925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286557944 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286557970 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286557984 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286558005 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286558023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, L'oeuvre of the Louvre. < 1286558250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rainerspehl.com/IEproject.php?nr=59 WOODEN LAPTOP CASE < 1286558398 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the kolakoski sequence leaks memory. < 1286558444 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the kolakoski sequence is part of number theory. therefore number theory leaks memory < 1286558482 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in a sense every non-repeating sequence leaks memory < 1286558507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you need arbitrary large memory to generate it < 1286558545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolakoski_sequence < 1286558546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible < 1286558547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrible < 1286558548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :article < 1286558726 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if a sequence is non-repeting, you need arbitrarily much storage; if you need arbitrarily much storage to generate it, your sequence must be non-repeating < 1286558751 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :equivalent, unless my eyes deceive me! < 1286558759 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever part of my body it is that does that < 1286558797 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have we proved that kolakoski is non-repeating? ... i don't recall < 1286558814 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd eat my hat if it wasn't < 1286558857 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: go into the business of selling edible hats, for saving of face < 1286558955 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any computable sequence with known repeat is obiviously generatable with finite storage. < 1286559106 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286559134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, hallu is so awesome in Vagrant. < 1286559155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does nethack ever generate impossible characters in hallu? < 1286559160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an unused symbol? < 1286559164 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yews < 1286559165 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1286559172 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it generates unused symbol/color combos < 1286559182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it generates a comma, which is the only printable ASCII character that isn't used for anything < 1286559194 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, what about 0? < 1286559198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people use that for boulders < 1286559199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else is it? < 1286559296 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moria for the Amiga came with a graphical Moria font. A bit gratuitous, but hallucination while using it was pretty awesome. < 1286559299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iron balls < 1286559306 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boulders are by default ` < 1286559310 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286559312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people change them to 0 to make them easier to see < 1286559317 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286559322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen iron balls :P < 1286559326 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and iron balls are dark cyan compared to a boulder's grey, so you can't muddle them) < 1286559334 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286559350 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't realize cyan came in a dark but i suppose it does < 1286559383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all colors come in a dark, except black and arguably white < 1286559407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark cyan, i.e. blue < 1286559413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286559416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah, yeah, i know) < 1286559428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: dark white is just gery < 1286559430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*grey < 1286559431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you can get the iron ball by annoying your god in NetHack. < 1286559433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1286559437 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just think of it under another name i think. like aquamarine < 1286559439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: cyan is not a light blue < 1286559439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gray > or >= #888, say < 1286559445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, i know, i was joking < 1286559448 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the things that irritates me disproportionately < 1286559455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, I'm some sort of Cyan Rights Crusader < 1286559462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyan is not blue! cyan is not green! < 1286559465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286559467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to have overgrown fingernails? < 1286559470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ingrown < 1286559487 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so; fingers are a different shape < 1286559499 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the position for a nail which is ingrown for a toenail is correct for a fingernail < 1286559506 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Are there nonrepeating sequences that take o(log N) memory to generate, where N is number of terms to generate? < 1286559579 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: yes < 1286559592 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01001000100001... < 1286559751 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The string length seems to grow quadrically with counter, which in turn takes O(log N) bits to store, thus it would be O(log sqrt(N)) = O(log N) which is not o(log N). < 1286559818 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I mixed up o and O. < 1286559837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o(O(log N)) < 1286559844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Microsoft are discussing buying Adobe? < 1286559846 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1286559856 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I imagine kolakoski takes o(log N) but have no way of showing that. < 1286559860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(potential worry: Flash and Silverlight with the same owner) < 1286559889 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft owns Flash? < 1286559895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but Adobe do. < 1286559895 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well whatever < 1286559900 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right < 1286559907 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silverlight is the MSFT thing < 1286559912 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that no one cares about < 1286559914 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I don't) < 1286559920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will have to compete against them with, umm, HTML5? < 1286559926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Then Intel will buy Microsoft. The entire software industry will be one gigantic matryoshka doll! < 1286559927 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Keränen sequence actually takes theta(log N) memory to generate (like any self-expanding sequence)... < 1286559943 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUNTELSOFT < 1286559949 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: intel buying Microsoft is something that seems really implausible < 1286559957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Buy me Microsoft." "Sir, the last time you gave an order like that, we ended up acquiring--" "Worked, didn't it?" < 1286559962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, you could get more layers with McAfee buying Microsoft... < 1286559980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: *that* is the least implausible thing ever though < 1286559990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reverse is more likely, but that'd require Microsoft *acquiring Intel* < 1286559992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ludicrous < 1286560003 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple just bought Verizon < 1286560004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then Apple can buy AMD < 1286560011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286560012 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: reallly? < 1286560015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft are richer than Intel < 1286560017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never quite realised < 1286560019 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION LIES < 1286560036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft will never buy anybody big though < 1286560039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that antitrust < 1286560043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to the resolution of that? < 1286560045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might if they were unrelated < 1286560046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they're back to normal < 1286560049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't they meant to be split up? < 1286560050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft buying General Motors, or whatever < 1286560055 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what happened was that Bush came into power < 1286560057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve < 1286560060 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of Microsoft buying GM) < 1286560061 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just wanted to throw a different vertical into the mix < 1286560064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and effectively gave them some sort of presidential pardon < 1286560069 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think just by leaning on the courts < 1286560071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ooh, how overtly political for you! Ahem. Anyway. < 1286560078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("For", not "of".) < 1286560081 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286560092 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: hey, I'm overtly political, but only when people ask me a direct question about it < 1286560103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: WHAT ARE YOUR OPINIONS ON POLITICS < 1286560108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ais523 composes a five-page reply.] < 1286560111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286560121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I approve of the current government, for the time being < 1286560126 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the UK, that is) < 1286560129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1286560131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1286560143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the tories then < 1286560147 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was terrified that the Conservatives would get into power, but the coalition doesn't seem to have done anything too bad yet < 1286560155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you say "also the Lib Dems", I will probably shoot you.) < 1286560160 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I disagreed with much of the conservative manifesto, but they haven't tried to use those bits yet) < 1286560162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the conservatives are in power! < 1286560169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just being pulled slightly by the lib dems < 1286560196 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with the huge cuts in public spending that are needed to try to solve some of the national debt < 1286560207 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm upset they didn't raise taxes more at the same time < 1286560222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes, I know; more than slightly, actually < 1286560225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the last time just cutting spending actually solved anything. < 1286560235 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it helps to solve a lack of money < 1286560258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think, wouldn't you? Economics is the only science based on something almost, but not entirely like logic. < 1286560263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have voted Liberal at the last election, if I was in the correct country at the time and there hadn't been a mixup around arranging a proxy vote < 1286560266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*unlike < 1286560271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that did not work without that correction. < 1286560275 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*entirely, < 1286560301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Of course you can for numbers like the Champernowne constant, for obvious reasons, but I've been thinking lately: is it even possible to prove normality (for any base) for numbers like e and pi? What about disproving it? It seems like such a concept that is unrelated to real mathematics (don't know how to phrase what I mean by that), and just seems impossible to prove. Any general thoughts about this?" --xkcd forum, displaying intense intelligence < 1286560311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although the seat I vote in is safe Labour, with Conservatives easily second) < 1286560315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why he thinks it's so "unreal". < 1286560315 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so it really doesn't matter which way I vote) < 1286560320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps because you can't enumerate all of pi's digits? < 1286560340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the Tories actually ousted the Lib Dems in Oxford, strangely enoguh < 1286560341 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286560341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*enough < 1286560344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite it being a safe lib dem seat < 1286560346 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he/she means it doesn't have any obvious practical applications < 1286560352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I forget *which* Oxford) < 1286560377 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universities are generally so strongly Labour, it's frightening < 1286560385 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all my friends here are Labour voters, or at least most of them < 1286560398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oxford West and Abingdon < 1286560405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tend to disagree with people who vote for parties without actually checking their manifestos...) < 1286560408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the one without the University but with everything else < 1286560411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a minority of colleges are inside it < 1286560434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on they MP they replaced: < 1286560436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[A Daily Mail article published on October 31, 2007 highlighted Harris' positions on social issues, castigating him as 'Dr. Death' for his "views on abortion, voluntary euthanasia, immigration and gay rights". The 'Dr. Death' term was subsequently used on numerous occasions, generally by Christian conservatives, in criticising Harris, including articles by Damian Thompson[20], Cristina Odone [21] and Nadine Dorries.]] < 1286560448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get much of a better compliment than the Daily Mail calling you Dr. Death < 1286560455 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the Daily Mail < 1286560458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1286560461 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its only job is to reflect the opinions of uninformed people < 1286560462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't being sarcastic < 1286560469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Reflect? No -- create. < 1286560472 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order that they buy it in order to confirm their own opinions < 1286560491 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I think it wouldn't sell so well if it ran contrary to existing opinions on the matter < 1286560493 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reflreate < 1286560508 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. if it said that, say, mobile phone masts were harmless, none of its readership would believe it < 1286560509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, the general "philosophy" -- as much as it exists -- is a reflection < 1286560516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the individual instances, it influencse < 1286560518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*influences < 1286560532 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a tuning fork < 1286560547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm sure someone who thinks "immigrants takin oor jobbs" and reads the Daily Mail gets an awful lot of their opinions from it. < 1286560600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close-minded -- drops the "d" after close, presumably using the "-ed" to replace it; discuss < 1286560696 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286560960 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: I bet the digits of a Chaitin's Omega require o(log n) storage. I could even venture o(n), from what I understand. < 1286560991 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, maybe there are sequences that require o(log N) memory to generate. In practicular if there are superpolynomial functions f(n) that can be computed with log(f(n)) memory. < 1286561146 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those functions are subexponential. < 1286561319 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"normality (for any base)" -- wtf does this mean? < 1286561349 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_, same average digit count. < 1286561366 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: normality in a number is that each digit has an equal chance of occurring in the first n digits of its decimal expansion, in the limit for n < 1286561380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Devils! Artichokes! A burning feeling that you're where you should be! < 1286561386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All these have DIGITS in common. < 1286561412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quickly: pick a random number between one and infinity. < 1286561435 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g_A(G,G) < 1286561456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quickly: pick a random number between one and infinity. < 1286561464 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i pick it it won't be random anymore < 1286561512 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you establish normality for one base, doesn't that imply normality in all bases? < 1286561535 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a possible exception for unary < 1286561541 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unary, the freak base < 1286561578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderfuck ACTUAL ARTICLE < 1286561590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: does it? why? < 1286561602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, unary isn't a (positional) base < 1286561603 0 :Sgeo!~ubuntu@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286561625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 4 < 1286561626 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it feels like it should < 1286561638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was actually randomly selected via a program that could select any number from 1 to infinity < 1286561639 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: In Soviet Russia, gender fuck YOUUUUUUU < 1286561644 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not with an equal probability of each < 1286561648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there ex- right. < 1286561668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ais523: BTW, number does not mean integer. < 1286561680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1286561694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: to be precise, I was generating cryptosecure nybbles (with /dev/random as an entropy source) using ssl rand, then counting the number before the first 0 < 1286561696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but it *could*. < 1286561719 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mean" < 1286561744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in Perl, rand(1) X 1 -- X := < or X := <=, which is true? < 1286561749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a confusing way of putting it < 1286561754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in Perl, can rand(1) ever == 1? < 1286561762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286561768 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from 0 up to but not including 1 < 1286561799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, then how does one write one that includes 1? < 1286561815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without relying on float stuff? < 1286561832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $x=2; $x = rand(2) while $x > 1; < 1286561848 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that gets the probabilities rigth < 1286561849 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right < 1286561858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes. < 1286561863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without having to mess with float deltas or anything like that < 1286561871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 to 1 inclusive isn't all that useful a range to randomize in, though < 1286561880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, you're doing int(rand(n)) to get a random integer from 0 to n-1 < 1286561886 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why yikes? < 1286561896 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from mersenne import twister < 1286561942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was scary at first < 1286561950 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm < 1286561957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looks sensible now? < 1286561961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286561979 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you could "reinterpret_cast" in Perl, you could just reinterpret_cast 1.0 to an integer of the same size, add 1, and reinterpret_cast back, then pass that to rand() :P < 1286562037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can do much crazier casting than *that* in Perl. < 1286562063 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could read from /dev/random < 1286562069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Presuming, of course, that you're fine with blessing values. < 1286562082 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH I AM NOT < 1286562086 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not tolerate blessing. < 1286562091 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: reinterpret_cast doesn't really make much sense in that context < 1286562102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that Perl scalars have a string and a numeric value which need not be correlated < 1286562142 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Most things don't make sense in the context of Perl. < 1286562148 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Perl sucks all logic and reason out of the universe. < 1286562154 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It is The Beast. < 1286562210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- says Gregor, who just talked about C++. < 1286562251 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinterpret_cast was easier to say than (*((long long *) &var))++ < 1286562253 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reinterpret_perl(C++) < 1286562254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Breast fetishism (also known as mastofact, breast partialism, or mazophilia)[1] is a type of sexual fetish which involves a sexual interest in female breasts.] --Wikipedia < 1286562257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*]] < 1286562266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vagina fetishism is a type of sexual fetish which involves ... < 1286562277 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Suuuure. < 1286562290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perl -e '$! = 18; print $!,$/' < 1286562291 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalid cross-device link < 1286562298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ...what < 1286562305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286562308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the error message < 1286562310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, $! simultaneously has the values 18 and "Invalid cross-device link" < 1286562312 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> given that Perl scalars have a string and a numeric value which need not be correlated <-- i learn something new every day < 1286562329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: New and horrifying. < 1286562330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, how does one automatically set one based on the other? < 1286562337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can only perl(1) do that? < 1286562355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ perl -e '$! = (0..10); print $!,$/' < 1286562355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Operation not permitted < 1286562362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS NOT PERMITTED TO LOOK AT THE FIRST TEN ERROR MESSAGES < 1286562409 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try perl -e '($! = $_), print $! for (0..10)' < 1286562413 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't assign an array to a scalar < 1286562432 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl: It is the worst. < 1286562460 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -e 'print "I'\''m evil!";' < 1286562483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ perl -e 'use Scalar::Util qw/dualvar/; $a = dualvar 1,"b"; print $a+0; print $a.""; print "\n"' < 1286562484 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1b < 1286562510 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sobs* < 1286562512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not entirely certain what people would use dualvar /for/, but Scalar::Util is a good place for it < 1286562559 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only wish both those values could be references < 1286562575 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: well, you can have a reference to a scalar with such a value < 1286562582 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you're saying doesn't really make sense, though < 1286562588 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just, you have a scalar with a string value and a numeric value < 1286562595 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the two don't resemble each other, like they generally do < 1286562605 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$a = dualvar \$b,\$c; < 1286562614 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, it doesn't work that way < 1286562651 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really see how the string value of a scalar could be, you know, not a string < 1286562681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how can you automatically set the string version based on the number -- or can you? < 1286562692 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: add 0 < 1286562708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addition just gives you a number < 1286562715 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm evil! < 1286562721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that took a while... < 1286562729 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes ... < 1286562731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF, Codu < 1286562741 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo But now I'm fast again. < 1286562743 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I'm fast again. < 1286562748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1286562749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ perl -e 'use Scalar::Util qw/dualvar/; $a=dualvar 1,2; print $a+1; print $a.""; print $/' < 1286562749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22 < 1286562757 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold! The string value of the number is an integer. < 1286562764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT NOW SCIENCE < 1286562777 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the string value is "2" < 1286562778 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 2 < 1286562779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm betting somewhere within dualvar it casted that to a string. < 1286562794 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 2 has a numeric value 2, and a string value "2" < 1286562804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, of course. < 1286562816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1286562820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just took the string value from 2 < 1286562838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... is "true but False" working in Rakudo yet? < 1286562838 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl: It is evil. < 1286562841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ perl -e 'use Scalar::Util qw/dualvar/; $a=dualvar "a",1; print $a+1; print $a.""; print $/' < 1286562841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 < 1286562842 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if you do $a=dualvar 1,$b where $b=dualvar 1,"x" < 1286562858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: it'd just take the string part of $b < 1286562860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: it kills your only son < 1286562873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have more than one son, it kills the others so the remaining one is your only son, then kills that < 1286562874 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assassinates Perl < 1286562875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the numeric value of "a" is 0 < 1286562880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have a son, it makes you give birth to one < 1286562881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then kills it < 1286562886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed < 1286562892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, this is all quite logical < 1286562899 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the numeric value of EVERYTHING is 0 < 1286562909 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, itym "EVERYTHING" < 1286562912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it happens to look like a number < 1286562919 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@80.229.122.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286562935 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you don't have to quote strings in Perl, if it's unambiguous without < 1286562940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although use strict; checks for that sort of thing) < 1286562948 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bibble < 1286562948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: did you ever get that program working? < 1286562967 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need quotes around "STDIN" but not EVERYTHING then? < 1286562981 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, crud < 1286562985 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on context? < 1286562987 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, because there's no context where you can validly have either a string, or the name of a filehandle < 1286562991 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1286563016 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: JclRobots? Yes, the new version is working, but only on the latest beta release of Tcl. 8.5.9 didn't support something it needed < 1286563020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: stop saying bibble! < 1286563022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jcl! < 1286563023 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286563024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Tcl but in JAVA < 1286563030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. print STDIN "Hello, world!" is different from print STDIN, "Hello, world!" which is different from print *STDIN, "Hello, world!" < 1286563037 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I meant the BF Joust program < 1286563041 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*STDIN ? < 1286563057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the set of all variables named something followed by STDIN, or else the concept of the variable name STDIN itself < 1286563075 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right :-) Yes, it was only a simple example for the wiki, not even competitive. < 1286563078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there isn't actually a sigil for filehandles, you need to use that notation to pass them to functions instead < 1286563089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even some simple programs can be competitive < 1286563108 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why should I stop saying bibble? < 1286563120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes you sound like you're a few months old. < 1286563128 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1286563135 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides the fact that I'm not an image editor < 1286563137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1286563142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what < 1286563151 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bibblelabs.com/ < 1286563159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, what a coincidence! I'm not an image editor either < 1286563264 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bibble < 1286563274 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? For the record, I never used it to mean any of those things < 1286563298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You definitely meant it as #2. < 1286563321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or #4. < 1286563364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusing ontopic Wikipedia vandalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brainfuck&diff=389517231&oldid=389497650 < 1286563409 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286563425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although whatever program generated that clearly wasn't designed for characters significantly past 255 in Unicode < 1286563477 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1286563481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1286563489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, slow-loading page < 1286563493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: presumably the article has unicode in it < 1286563499 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho! < 1286563520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's quite a large page... < 1286563541 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^that particular random barely-a-reference brought to you by the Cartoon Guide to Statistics < 1286563550 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286563576 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286563909 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I assume the result of that program was the entire page? < 1286563913 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286563924 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so do I, I haven't tried to run it < 1286563929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, look. A Nobel Peace Prize winner that has *actually done something*! < 1286563941 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liú Xiǎobō, human rights activist in the PRC. Currently in jail. < 1286563947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PRC is currently very pissed. < 1286563969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(刘晓波 or 劉曉波) < 1286563969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PRC is always pissed. < 1286563992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286564001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but not usually to the point of blacking out all foreign news and forbidding all discussion of the Nobel Prize in domestic news. < 1286564045 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mmmm, they're all about censorship though. < 1286564052 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So that's not wildly beyond their usual douchebaggery. < 1286564080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They're also claiming that this award goes against Nobel principles. < 1286564133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And being very very pissy to the Norwegian ambassador. < 1286564135 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Still very typical douchebaggery. < 1286564144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, true. < 1286564279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're also arresting university students for celebrating the first Chinese winner of the Nobel Prize. < 1286564381 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PRC: They are douchebags. This we know. < 1286564387 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are capable of ANY level of douchebaggery. < 1286564395 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a government that severely needs to be wiped from the globe. < 1286564418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there are countries that need it worse. < 1286564420 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the most regressive government outside of the middle east and sub-Saharan Africa. < 1286564425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :North Korea. < 1286564442 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's true ... but North Korea is so TYPICALLY evil :P < 1286564461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :North Korea is just the most regressive government. :) < 1286564490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And appears to run their government based on Bond villians. < 1286564525 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's pretty easy to show that if a number is normal in base n, it is also normal in base n^2 and in base n/2 (for even n obv) < 1286564570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<ais523> Gregor: so do I, I haven't tried to run it ;; in case it deletes all your files? :-P < 1286564584 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Too lazy. < 1286564591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Gregor> It is the most regressive government outside of the middle east and sub-Saharan Africa. ;; yeah, North Korea, pikhq got there first :P < 1286564593 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think what bothers me most about China is that you can get enough of an impression of how normal life is in China to see that people are blinded and actively lied to by their government, but in North Korea is't just a giant mystery. < 1286564620 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you KNOW they are, but really we have no idea. It's friggin' North Korea. < 1286564626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :North Koreans want change but would never, ever ask for it. < 1286564634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sort of have this food problem to deal with first. < 1286564643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the not-getting-killed-by-voting thing. < 1286564650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1286564655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not getting killed by spoiling your ballot. < 1286564736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can get *an* idea of what it's like in North Korea. Courtesy of defectors. < 1286564760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imperfect, though. < 1286564778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the PRC... They let everyone know about *all* the crazy! < 1286564861 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They just have too many people and too much vitality to do anything about it. < 1286564878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Briggard: thou pitst'k on desgrute. < 1286564882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, Palin is running in 2012. < 1286564914 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: joy < 1286564933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If she wins, I'm asking for refugee status. < 1286565031 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next step: ayn rand's profile on a coin < 1286565047 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it's coming < 1286565073 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286565136 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: If that happens I think we should eradicate the US. < 1286565150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn Canada into a continent. < 1286565187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canadia < 1286565324 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1286565345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this room has ten walls and i am the third < 1286565465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Obama is calling for the PRC to release Liú Xiǎobō. < 1286565633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's wonderful. The prize is being officially termed "blasphemy". < 1286565661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. < 1286565700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"two years' deprivation of political rights" < 1286565715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh, I love how everybody uses "rights" to mean "rights that we have decided are privileges". < 1286565726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ain't it "wonderful"? < 1286565955 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A given infinite sequence is either normal or not normal, whereas a real number, having a different base-b expansion for each integer b >= 2, may be normal in one base but not in another (Cassels 1959 and Schmidt 1960)." --WP < 1286565958 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1286566061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/137/137517/13751746/jpg/active/320x.jpg < 1286566120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like he doesn't even realise that the Norwegian government has no influence on the Norwegian Nobel Committee. < 1286566142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, except that the members are appointed by Norwegian Parliament. < 1286566224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Taiwan wanted to crush China and get their independence universally recognised < 1286566230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just have to build a billion sweatshops! < 1286566339 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286566467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<evilotto> counting utf-8 characters is easy - just take the byte count, then subtract the number of bytes in the range 128-192. < 1286566470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blink* < 1286566481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... Actually works on well-formed UTF-8. < 1286566516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No shit :P < 1286566523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But it's quicker to skip over characters. < 1286566528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: True. < 1286566535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Colin Percival did. < 1286566538 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to traverse the string anyway, so yes < 1286566539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After Kragen Sitaker.) < 1286566545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that does fuck up one thing... < 1286566555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Character composition. < 1286566570 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1286566579 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look. WP's begging for donations again. < 1286566593 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they need to offer me a tardis mug < 1286566601 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok... uk people are *not* going to get that < 1286566631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can UK people not get a TARDIS reference? < 1286566658 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you get PBS on your TV? < 1286566667 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1286566669 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, you can only imagine the mug to which I refer < 1286566681 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is PBS the Doctor Who channel for the US? < 1286566699 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PBS is the only source of non-American TV for the US, afaict < 1286566705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It was in the past (classic Who) < 1286566718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The new one got aired on Sci-Fi, and then moved to BBCA. < 1286566724 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SyFy < 1286566735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It was never SyFy when they had Doctor Who. < 1286566736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literacy isn't Xtreme Kool. < 1286566745 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Syfy < 1286566750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's pronounced "siffie". < 1286566753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear to god it is. < 1286566754 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fuck < 1286566795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Does BBC America air the *UK* BBC news? < 1286566798 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_, tell us of this mug from the far distant land of America. < 1286566808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it's partly irrelevant... but oh so comforting! < 1286566820 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU PUT COFFEE IN IT AND THE TARDIS DECAL WOULD FADE TO INVISIBLE < 1286566830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> Character composition. ;; you mean like combining umlaut and shit? < 1286566835 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee, not tea, because this is AMERICA. < 1286566839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously it counts codepoints not graphemes < 1286566843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_, the awesomeness! < 1286566844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because counting the latter is LOLIMPOSSIBLE < 1286566858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: I WANT IT < 1286566872 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i regret not giving them money < 1286566884 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbs has turned into a shopping channel for videos now, though < 1286566922 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on Microsoft buying Adobe: "Merging two huge globs that each can extract rent on their various properties into a single similar vast glob. What could possibly go wrong..." "The combined corporate mass would exceed the Tolman–Oppenheimer–Volkoff limit and they would collapse into a black hole?" < 1286566924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Hacker News < 1286566926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: They do the BBC World newscast every weekday in the evening. < 1286566931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: INSUFFICIENT < 1286566932 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC. < 1286566946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I want the ten o' clock news as it airs on BBC 1! < 1286566949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daily! < 1286566982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Y'know what I'd love? The ability to pay the BBC license fee and stream BBC over the Internet. While in the US. < 1286566998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's more than you probably think it is. < 1286567011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£145.50 for colour, £49 for black and white. < 1286567015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, you can pay for just black and white.) < 1286567020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's yearly. < 1286567027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's... < 1286567031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$230.72/year. < 1286567053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: $19.23/month, paid annually. Actually that's surprisingly cheap... < 1286567064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, iPlayer quality isn't that good, unfortunately. < 1286567078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And downloading it requires a separate program that pretends to be an iPhone. < 1286567093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also shows disappear after something like seven days. < 1286567129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You also can't stream the channels, just the news and stuff. < 1286567133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, I mean actually stream it. Properly. < 1286567135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, if it existed, I'd approve. < 1286567150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, dammit, I want multicast on the public Internet. < 1286567161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: For news itself, though, I presume you know about http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/. < 1286567164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck the cable infrastructure, multicast streaming, bitch. < 1286567172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, it's in my RSS reader. < 1286567173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which is, incidentally, the world's *only* well-designed news website. < 1286567183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disagree? Try me. < 1286567187 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, Microsoft bought Adobe‽ < 1286567193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They're in talks. < 1286567199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect this will make Flash suck more. < 1286567211 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's brain explodes < 1286567217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, certainly on Linux/OS X. < 1286567229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Windows ... it's actually already acceptable on Windows, or, well, moreso than other OSes. < 1286567233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that doesn't help. < 1286567235 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's somewhat humbling that almost all real numbers are uncomputable. < 1286567238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if Apple bought it up... < 1286567246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...they'd drop support for all non-OS X OSes (see: Logic Pro) < 1286567249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, there's one dev for Flash Linux. < 1286567251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would get a lot better on OS X. < 1286567255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely one dev. < 1286567261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've seen his blog. He's not very smrt. < 1286567268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1286567273 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, Microsoft is in talks to acquire the computable reals. < 1286567278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was that the OS X guy? < 1286567279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget. < 1286567281 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the Linux guy. < 1286567284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: :D < 1286567284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And from what I gather, you'd need an actual dev *team* to get Flash to not suck. < 1286567305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.adobe.com/penguinswf/ Here's the blog. < 1286567312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it seems to have reverted to default formatting of some description. < 1286567342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, the first result for "penguin.swf" on Google: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~hopha/penguin.swf < 1286567373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Flash sucks less *running in a Windows VM*. < 1286567400 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Actually, Flash sucks in a lot of ways on Windows. < 1286567417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Said like someone who's never used Flash on OS X or Linux. < 1286567431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Does Youtube peg a CPU? < 1286567434 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have and frequently do use Flash on both. < 1286567436 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Coworker Tinic has just published..." < 1286567442 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash is especially bad on 64-bit Linux, because *they dropped 64-bit support right after a pre-release that was later found to have serious security flaws*. < 1286567442 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, Coworker! < 1286567444 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also used the Flash-based soundmanager2 on Windows and Linux. < 1286567448 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're apparently going to add it back in. < 1286567449 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Windows, timing is a horrible joke. < 1286567453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So: < 1286567456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get to use nspluginwrapper! < 1286567457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHAHAHAHA < 1286567468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hint: nspluginwrapper *crashes for no reason, constantly*. < 1286567478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I'm listening to something using YouTube, I never close a tab. < 1286567478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1286567484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nspluginwrapper doesn't like it when I close tabs. < 1286567489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets ANGRY. < 1286567509 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes, alise angry, alise eat babies. < 1286567518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Microsoft has competition for Flash, if you don't recall. < 1286567518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, nspluginwrapper angry :P < 1286567524 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called Silverlight and nobody cares. < 1286567525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Competition" < 1286567528 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nspluginwrapper confused and hurt. < 1286567531 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they could squash Flash, who knows. < 1286567533 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: ... :( < 1286567535 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is why it gets angry. < 1286567545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I am feeling sorry for nspluginwrapper < 1286567551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU CPRESSEY_! DAAMN YOUUUUU-- < 1286567555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION floats away < 1286567564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: Damn you and damn your underscore to hell! < 1286567614 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, don't float away! < 1286567618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of the helium! < 1286567618 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would nick myself back to normal but this cpressey freak is still logged in < 1286567647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I AM NATURALLY LIGHTER THAN AIR < 1286567651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: /ns ghost cpressey password < 1286567659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And suddenly the cpressey am disappearate, like ghost. < 1286567689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do people not know about /nickserv ghost ... < 1286567707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Bad parenting. < 1286567800 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1286567804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey_: Darn, you've changed your password since accidentally leaking it to #esoteric on 2010-08-10 :P < 1286567815 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. darn! < 1286567817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I seem to recall he was joking. < 1286567820 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1286567835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I was -- what was I going...? < 1286567836 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, I just grepped the logs for cpressey.*identify :P < 1286567865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why would he write identify rather than like < 1286567869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ns identify parr0t < 1286567872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT PLAYS VIDEO BETTER INSIDE OF A WINDOWS FUCKING VM. < 1286567874 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, that means i could kill mz*bot removely too < 1286567879 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*remotely < 1286567881 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Thought he was in a nickserv query window? < 1286567885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: did you try? XD < 1286567887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from one detail: the Win2k network stack sucks. < 1286567890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. < 1286567894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Who makes nickserv query windows? < 1286567899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's limited < 1286567902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 concurrent connections or sth < 1286567902 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: cpressey < 1286567906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a patch -- or -- < 1286567907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that just XP? < 1286567913 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Pidgin, that's who < 1286567926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's crazy. < 1286567928 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The real question is who would subject themselves to Pidgin for IRC. < 1286567945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION did for a while. < 1286567950 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: people who are subjected to it anyway, that's who < 1286567962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows 2000 Professional does have a limit of 10 concurrent inbound < 1286567962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :connections, as is stated in the following Microsoft knowledge base < 1286567962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :article:" < 1286567970 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Only inbound. < 1286567981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only find patchse for XP. < 1286567983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*patches < 1286567985 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses less CPU *and memory* to have a full Virtual Box VM running for Flash. < 1286568009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now set up a VNC server on that Windows box, target it at a Flash window, and integrate it into a browser plugin that: < 1286568013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) Contacts the Windows VM < 1286568017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) Tells it to load the Flash file < 1286568025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) Tells it to focus on it with VNC < 1286568030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4) Receives the video stream < 1286568034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So fucking perverse. < 1286568037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(5) Displays it in the area where the Flash should be < 1286568042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6) Relays clicks and typing. < 1286568044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ^ DO IT < 1286568401 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286568679 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iow, rewrite nspluginwrapper into winbrowsepluginwrapper < 1286568717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Better still. Use RDP for the display. < 1286568735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure thing, get on it. < 1286568992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fred Neechy < 1286568996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"God died" < 1286569011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Author of the book, "The Fag Physics" < 1286569146 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the best version of Windows to run in a VM is < 1286569151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 95 < 1286569181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: For those programs that'll work on 95? ... Probably, actually. < 1286569202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 3.11 < 1286569210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It Runs In DOSBox!(TM) < 1286569299 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WinCE < 1286569302 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs away < 1286569416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION grabs a Win95 ISO < 1286569465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you run into problems I should be able to help. After all, I used it in a VM for several days as my only OS... < 1286569469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaw. They no longer support Flash on 95. < 1286569478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Meh, oldversion.com < 1286569501 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Macromedia Flash Player 9 (1.3 MB) < 1286569505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't know if YT supports 9. < 1286569514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Whatever, just use the latest version that works. < 1286569526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As for the browser, Seamonkey is probably your best bet. < 1286569533 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flash 9 worked on 98... < 1286569538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or Fx 2. < 1286569539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Opera. < 1286569543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh right. < 1286569546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting Opera exists. < 1286569552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If it works in 98 it'll probably work in 95. < 1286569556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find a way to get around the OS check, proceed onwards. < 1286569568 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are, of course, more possible ABCs for numbers, and this would be a poor hierarchy if it precluded the possibility of adding those. You can add MyFoo between Complex and Real with..." < 1286569590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wat < 1286569604 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to think of the right emoticon for how that makes me feel < 1286569620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Things that make me RAGE: Adobe refusing to give me a download page for Flash because "Chrome has it built-in!". < 1286569630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a fucking download page! Fuck you, Adobe! You don't know what the fuck I want! < 1286569804 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, where did you get that from? < 1286569829 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Python manual. "Abstract base classes for numbers." < 1286569842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1286569857 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what happens when SE people try to do mathematics. < 1286569858 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.python.org/library/numbers.html < 1286569874 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is perfectionist about its crap. < 1286569888 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is an ABC, for heaven's sake? < 1286569895 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abstract Base Class < 1286569908 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ and Python people seem to have the same weird terminology there < 1286569925 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any non-Base abstract classes? < 1286569950 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do explain what an abstract class is and what Base means. < 1286569979 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An abstract class is one that doesn't... wait, there are no abstract classes as such in Python. < 1286569985 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE? < 1286570005 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what happens when SE people try to do SE. < 1286570055 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think what class sensibly fits between C and R. < 1286570076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of stupid to think of it as a tower in the first place, but whatever. < 1286570088 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Interesting". They're a bit more involved than real numbers, but it would be an exaggeration to call them "complex". < 1286570129 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it! < 1286570138 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: especially in a language which prides itself on duck typing < 1286570150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reals are a 1-dimensional continuum, complexes a 2D one. < 1286570174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logically, the intermediate sets would all be fractal continua. < 1286570188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that's exactly what the manual author had in mind. < 1286570225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's actually what I thought, ha. < 1286570226 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact 'MyFoo' stands for "my fractally-organized ordinals" < 1286570226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could be helpful if you're computing things to do with infinite-coin Hanoi. < 1286570231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After your first line. < 1286570283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to declip a song with Audacity < 1286570304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the legal moves for n-coin Hanoi approach Sierpinski's triangle as n grows. < 1286570322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ...awesome. < 1286570327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait, what? < 1286570331 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can a number approach a fractal? < 1286570342 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the graph of the moves. < 1286570344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean, rendering the legal moves in some way? < 1286570345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1286570349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1286570405 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I assume you could use a fractal continuum to simulate moves in n-coin Hanoi as movements through the Sierpinski triangle. < 1286570478 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now trying to make this work. < 1286570498 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is evidently something seriously wrong with me. < 1286570519 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough Lithuanian peanut-butter-based shaving crme in your diet. < 1286570531 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1286570656 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how do you uniquely represent a point on the Sierpinski gasket. < 1286570678 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note however, that since computers store floating-point numbers as approximations it is usually unwise to use them as dictionary keys." < 1286570690 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They "store them as approximations". < 1286570701 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where to begin with that? < 1286570717 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frothing at the mouth? < 1286570745 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would "are approximations to what you probably wanted to store" make more sense? < 1286570758 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Twould. < 1286570760 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes. It would be a good start. < 1286570766 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, it would be correct. < 1286570772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cpressey> not enough Lithuanian peanut-butter-based shaving crme in your diet. < 1286570773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crme < 1286570778 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: POWERSHELL!!! < 1286570782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> Hmm, how do you uniquely represent a point on the Sierpinski gasket. ;; a complex number < 1286570787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, more conveniently, R^2 < 1286570793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say the whole fractal is from (0,0) to (1,1) < 1286570793 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: are you done being silly < 1286570799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then pick a point in-between < 1286570803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to pick further, go smaller < 1286570803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1286570826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course if you don't have reals, rationals should suffice at a pinch. < 1286570866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: or, something to do with Pascal's triangle for something more "exact" on a computer i guess < 1286570869 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could represent it using Pascal's triangle mod 2 < 1286570869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pattern obtained by coloring only the odd numbers in Pascal's triangle closely resembles the fractal called the Sierpinski triangle. This resemblance becomes more and more accurate as more rows are considered; in the limit, as the number of rows approaches infinity, the resulting pattern is the Sierpinski triangle, assuming a fixed perimeter.[6] More generally, numbers could be colored differently according to whether or not they are multiples of 3, 4, e < 1286570869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tc.; this results in other similar patterns. < 1286570872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: snap < 1286570875 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: snap < 1286570878 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286570907 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can generate it with a CA < 1286570908 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that's just a consequence of addition mod 2 being the same as XOR. < 1286570915 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, same. < 1286570925 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so? < 1286570930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's still relevant! maybe. < 1286570947 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too shall join in this argument! < 1286570950 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... nah, never mind. < 1286570961 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: CA? < 1286570977 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can mail-order Siepinski gaskets from Gregor's Olde Infinite Objects Shoppe. < 1286570996 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOIOS < 1286570996 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: California. < 1286570999 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rolls right off the tongue < 1286571005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the Chaos Game? < 1286571025 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: how do you generate a pascal's triangle with a california? < 1286571038 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: very carefully < 1286571043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: CA won't produce the infinitely detailed one though < 1286571050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, Flash 9 actually works on Windows 95 without any work. < 1286571054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pascal's triangle is only sierpinski considering infinite rows < 1286571056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :D < 1286571057 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, neither will Pascal's triangle then? < 1286571058 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: are you being childish today as well < 1286571059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: screenshot < 1286571061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do youtube? < 1286571071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well that's why i implied using unspecified trickery to use it < 1286571076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to identify points < 1286571080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I've not installed it yet; waiting on this '95 torrent. < 1286571103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ah. < 1286571105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Link me up, dood. < 1286571112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had 95 a while back but not now. < 1286571120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I could find it myself :P < 1286571121 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you could have a (log 3/log 2)-ple. < 1286571126 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I dunno. The CA/PT triangle is infinite from the bottom up, the Hanoi-coins one is infinite from the top down... < 1286571130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can with MATHEMATICS < 1286571145 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, non-integer sized tuples? < 1286571148 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/triangle/gasket/ < 1286571154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, let's see, S^(log 3/log 2) is a function from (log 3/log 2) -> S, in set theory. < 1286571165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of the sets 1 and 2, but what the fuck does log do to a set? < 1286571166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://www.torrentz.com/faa86c86e912728e0ede9463c0227a5c0c656c1a < 1286571167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1286571168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O mathematics, you never cease to amaze me. < 1286571181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Clearly (log 3/log 2) has dimension (log 3/log 2) but not that cardinality. < 1286571188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, figure out what set has that dimension, and you're done. < 1286571199 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is similar to the fractions of a bit stuff < 1286571221 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, but raised to the power of AWESOME. < 1286571250 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :setdefault: awesome dict method with ultracrap name. < 1286571268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I always forget what setdefault does because it has a shitty name. What does it do again? < 1286571298 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if k not in d then d[k] = v; return d[k] < 1286571326 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er modulo how ; works in that < 1286571348 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's something there, return it. if not, insert this and return it. < 1286571367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: *d: < 1286571370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ; works fine there < 1286571373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisingly < 1286571374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286571376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1286571387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: woot, that shortens vagrant < 1286571396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if v not in w:w[v]=choice(W) < 1286571396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=w[v];s.addch(B-Y,A-X,r(32,126)if U and 0==r(0,2)and q-32 else q) < 1286571414 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful for like: self.defined_in.setdefault(groupname, set()).add(filename) < 1286571468 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1286571468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ wc -c vagrant.py < 1286571468 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1916 vagrant.py < 1286571469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/Code/vagrant$ wc -c vagrant.py < 1286571469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1896 vagrant.py < 1286571472 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah. < 1286571475 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get a set of fractional dimension < 1286571478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: inflated file size due to verbose debugging AI code) < 1286571488 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what wars took place in those two years < 1286571503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on another topic, Lebesgue measure is so cool < 1286571524 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: any response from FIS yet? < 1286571536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, *Hausdorff < 1286571540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixed up which one is the fractal one >__> < 1286571547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: FIS -- the bancstar people? < 1286571557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, the Cantor set (a zero-dimensional topological space) is a union of two copies of itself, each copy shrunk by a factor 1/3; this fact can be used to prove that its Hausdorff dimension is ln2 / ln3" < 1286571558 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes... well, potentially at least < 1286571558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^ < 1286571559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close! < 1286571568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Sierpinski triangle is a union of three copies of itself, each copy shrunk by a factor of 1/2; this yields a Hausdorff dimension of ln3 / ln2" < 1286571570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1286571578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that's the point. < 1286571596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: then, a (ln3/ln2)-ple of S-es is a function from the Sierpinski set to S. < 1286571606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286571609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from a member of the Sierpinski set < 1286571611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be clearer < 1286571612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to a member of S < 1286571615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. Win95 actually supports Unicode. *Barely*. < 1286571620 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Hausdorff dimension didn't work like that... < 1286571646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YOU DON'T WORK LIKE THAT < 1286571648 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: don't you have to install some unicode support patch from ms first? < 1286571664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I hope that Win95 is old enough to not be OSR2.5. < 1286571666 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the Hausdorff dimension isn't the cardinality. < 1286571678 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|R^2| /= 2 < 1286571679 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's the release version. < 1286571685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OSR2.5 replaced Windows Explorer with Internet "I Can't Believe It's Not Windows Explorer" Explorer. < 1286571694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus dramatically steepening the decline of Windows. < 1286571700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I know that! < 1286571701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Installing unicows.dll made it actually support Unicode as well as NT versions. < 1286571705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But you have to cheat somehow. < 1286571707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So cheat like this! < 1286571713 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if windows explorer == internet explorer, then certainly windows == internet! < 1286571743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: This one doesn't have IE at all. < 1286571747 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but I'm trying to work out what R^(log 3/log 2) is /so that I can identify a point on the Sierpinski set uniquely*. < 1286571751 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/ < 1286571752 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you have COM and .NET, so... YES < 1286571755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uni-Cows! < 1286571762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :com.net < 1286571774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best way to package .NET applications inside COM executable files! < 1286571775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: UNICOde for Windows Systems < 1286571789 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: dude. < 1286571792 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <olsner> if windows explorer == internet explorer, then certainly windows == internet! < 1286571796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: R^(log 3/log 2) is a function from a set with cardinality log 3/log 2 to the raels! < 1286571818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF UNGRATEFUL BÂTARD < 1286571821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ungrapeful < 1286571823 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my, I'm having quotes added < 1286571823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, but how does one have a set with non-integral cardinality (indeed, non-natural cardinality). < 1286571828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1286571834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: CLEVERLY < 1286571834 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :237|<olsner> if windows explorer == internet explorer, then certainly windows == internet! < 1286571866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Clearly ∈ should result in a real, representing how-much-in the value is. < 1286571868 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I haven't emailed them yet < 1286571905 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1[1/2], 2[1/2]} is a set with cardinality 1, and both 1 ∈ S and 2 ∈ S = 1/2. < 1286571908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1286571918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that is strangely awesome. < 1286571923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{1[3]} = {1,1,1}, of course. < 1286571928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 1 ∈ S = 3. < 1286571933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if it makes sense, but it is awesome nontheless. < 1286571938 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nonetheless < 1286571992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: {{}[Ω]}, where Ω = Chaitin's constant. < 1286571995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHAHA < 1286572027 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Now, allow me to introduce you to NEGATIVE CARDINALITIES!" gargled the mad scientist, before vomiting profusely. < 1286572041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Now a Lyttle Lytton entry! < 1286572046 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I've got an old game here that'd be nice to play. Maybe it'll run nicely in Win95. < 1286572054 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are just all those sets pointing in the other direction < 1286572079 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: thank you for saying "I've got" and not just "I've" < 1286572099 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, why do you thank him for this < 1286572100 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1286572102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Odd as it is, it *is* idiomatic in General American. < 1286572116 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because it bugs me. < 1286572123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generalised Americanism < 1286572129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Everything runs nicely in Win95 :P < 1286572137 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've a bone to pick with anybody who argues that "I've got" is incorrect. < 1286572138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you gonna do it in VirtualBox or QEMU or what? < 1286572140 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I only ever hear it on the internet, somehow. < 1286572171 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it makes you sound like you should be telling me about how a storm's a-comin', as you can feel it in your knees. < 1286572181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286572213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Virtaul Box. < 1286572226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIRTAUL BOX < 1286572232 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virtaul is an awesome word; we must now define it. < 1286572239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chinese knockoff. :D < 1286572241 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Y'all ain't one to be mockin' American colloquialism. < 1286572258 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Also, I feel it in my ANKLES. < 1286572262 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Get it right. < 1286572286 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ALSO, it doesn't matter what Mr. Ivory Tower thinks it sounds like, because English is defined by its speakers, and its speakers overwhelmingly say "i've got" < 1286572300 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I feels it in my ANKLES, I tells ya! Mah ANKLES! Geddit RIGHT, for chrissakes, man!" < 1286572307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Gregor> cpressey: ALSO, it doesn't matter what Mr. Ivory Tower thinks it sounds like, because English is defined by its speakers, and its speakers overwhelmingly say "i've got" < 1286572313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most pointless pushing of descriptivism ever? < 1286572336 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WILL PUSH MY DESCRIPTIVIST AGENDA 'TIL THE END OF TIM < 1286572337 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286572339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I shall join you, O 95 one. < 1286572341 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a typo, but I'm leaving it. < 1286572352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: NO IT WASN'T IT'S LINGUISTIC INNOVATION < 1286572365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I will now scare you: When Windows 95 was released, I was 48 hours old. < 1286572375 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: "Every typo is linguistic innovation" is not descriptivism. < 1286572383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Neither are jokes! < 1286572390 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: NEITHER < 1286572391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: IS < 1286572392 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: YOUR < 1286572393 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: MOM < 1286572396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FACE < 1286572398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Momface < 1286572418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, wait, I say "I've" rather than "I've got" quite frequently. < 1286572457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OW < 1286572461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I JUST BASHED OW < 1286572479 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it. < 1286572482 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dammit, feel old! < 1286572485 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From now on I'm using "I've have" < 1286572486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses ddrescue on this horribly beaten up Sim City 3000 disc < 1286572489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I AM OLD < 1286572502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HOW OLD ARE YOU AGAIN I'VE FORGOTTEN < 1286572507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 20 < 1286572520 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Younger than me, older than you X-P < 1286572523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HOLY FUCKING SHIT SGEO IS ONE YEAR OLDER THAN YOU < 1286572527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE < 1286572531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: AND WINDOWS 95 WAS NOT THE FIRST VERSION THAT I USED < 1286572540 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's rank everyone by age: < 1286572546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- Gregor (oldest) < 1286572551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at 45) < 1286572560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < pikhq < Sgeo < Gregor < ais < cpressey < 1286572560 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No bloody way. < 1286572562 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approx. < 1286572571 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Eh? How old are you? < 1286572578 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Like you said, 45. < 1286572582 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ais is at LEAST 60. < 1286572587 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And cpressey is older than time itself. < 1286572589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No butrly :P < 1286572590 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Being God) < 1286572597 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oerjan is older than cpressey. < 1286572604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alex Smith was born on 15 April 1987" < 1286572614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he's, like, 22-23 < 1286572622 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the age that a person is if he's a third year graduate student who did all schooling by the canonical years. < 1286572622 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Gregor 24? < 1286572625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I distinctly recall 24. < 1286572627 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh shoot, ais is younger than me :P < 1286572630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAWL < 1286572636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you climb further up the ranks of senility. < 1286572638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < pikhq < Sgeo < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan < 1286572657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka comes before me < 1286572660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's, like, 3 < 1286572682 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal must be roughly in the Sgeo-to-Gregor range, I'd guess. < 1286572689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was another guy my age iirc < 1286572691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 or so < 1286572700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: vorpal turned 20 a little bit ago iirc < 1286572707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 21 < 1286572709 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guhhhh < 1286572711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's actually around the same age as pikhq at the least < 1286572714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal was 20 in May or June IIRC. < 1286572720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: dude, he only acts like he's old :P < 1286572728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he knows very little! < 1286572730 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesse, ... < 1286572735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxlo < 1286572737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be like 45835945 < 1286572741 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because he hates everything modern < 1286572748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or however the fuck you spell it name :P < 1286572751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic < 1286572753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < Phantom_Hoover < (pikhq, Vorpal) < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan < 1286572755 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix and bsmntbombdood are both in the pre-pikhq-to-ais range ish? < 1286572756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I peg as being cpressey's age or older < 1286572763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsmnt was like 16 in 2008 < 1286572771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he'd be around 18 now < 1286572779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jix, no clue, he's before my time < 1286572782 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO I was about right thanks to the "pre" < 1286572784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic is 40-something i think < 1286572787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so actually older than oerjan < 1286572797 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If such a thing is possible!) < 1286572813 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo < EgoBot < alise < Phantom_Hoover < (pikhq, Vorpal) < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan < 1286572813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog is only 7 < 1286572817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't talk much < 1286572821 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo < EgoBot < clog < alise < Phantom_Hoover < (pikhq, Vorpal) < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan < 1286572836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga is 20s iirc < 1286572837 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we had a bot that was older than an actual channel member, that would be pretty epic. < 1286572842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :D < 1286572847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh *wow*. The Win95 installer uses Windows 3.11 widgets. < 1286572855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's offensive to group people's names with vorpal < 1286572857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use = or something < 1286572857 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Heeeey, I remember that! < 1286572857 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah :D < 1286572871 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In the original disk-based Win95 release, you could make it use progman instead of explorer. < 1286572877 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think they removed that from later releases. < 1286572892 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Vorpal, please rank yourselves in order of age. < 1286572910 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who else actually talks ... < 1286572940 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, I forgot Sgeo in that list. < 1286572948 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsnet? < 1286572953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Windows XP SP2 was the last version of Windows to have progman. < 1286572954 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I assume by your "99" that your birth-year is 1999, making you 10 or 11. < 1286572954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Seriously. < 1286572956 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shakes own head < 1286572961 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner < 1286572972 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my birth year is 2099. < 1286572973 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nononono, the Win95 install let you set progman to be your default shell, instead of explorer. < 1286572975 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am from the future. < 1286572976 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In the installer. < 1286572979 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND from the internet. < 1286572980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant is < 1286572981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's amazing. < 1286572981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 i think < 1286572984 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 25 now < 1286572990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Perverse, but amazing. < 1286572996 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that makes cheater99 the youngest. At an incredibly negative -89 or so. < 1286572996 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey? < 1286572998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE NEED A BIG BIRTHDAYS PAGE ^_____________________^ < 1286573007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 24, amirite? < 1286573014 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: how old are you? SOME KIND OF CHART IS BEING ASSEMBLED < 1286573015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or 18 < 1286573017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick one < 1286573019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no other age is permitted < 1286573019 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19900323 < 1286573022 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 3 < 1286573030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> 19900323 < 1286573034 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you use such a format... < 1286573037 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is younger than EgoBot! < 1286573040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: THAT IS NOT 24 OR 18 < 1286573042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1286573044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will list youa s that < 1286573045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as that < 1286573047 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, he was on this channel before he was born. < 1286573052 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no, I'm 24 actually, how the hell did you know? < 1286573055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner < HackEgo < EgoBot < clog < alise < Phantom_Hoover < (pikhq, Vorpal) < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan < 1286573065 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: HackEgo is less than three. < 1286573068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: probably you said it at one point, or it was on your blog, or i just deducted it < 1286573069 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Alternatively, HackEgo is <3 < 1286573071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: NO IT'S NOT < 1286573079 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you forgot Sgeo again. < 1286573081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I am *scarily* accurate at these things < 1286573083 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent deduction then < 1286573085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I copied cpressey < 1286573102 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner < HackEgo < EgoBot < clog < alise < Phantom_Hoover < (pikhq, Vorpal) < Sgeo < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan < 1286573107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, who copied me. < 1286573112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you seeding that torrent :| < 1286573114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'D BETTERBE < 1286573129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner < HackEgo < EgoBot < clog < alise < Phantom_Hoover < (pikhq, Vorpal) < Sgeo < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan < Phantom_Hoover < 1286573146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m called Matti Niemenmaa, and am also known as Deewiant in some online circles. I’m male, about a score of years old, and live in Finland. < 1286573146 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am apparently older than myself. < 1286573148 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1286573152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 score = 20 < 1286573162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Deewiant's actually in the pikhq/Vorpal/Sgeo quadrant < 1286573165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. < 1286573188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would not have guessed this ordering < 1286573196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: GOOD! Because I never seed >_> < 1286573198 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this chart is seriously going to list me as 3 years old? < 1286573201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes. < 1286573206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you have nobody to blame but yourself. < 1286573209 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight < 1286573217 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as I know < 1286573230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: adjust your birthdate on your resume < 1286573235 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my resume? < 1286573239 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a resume? < 1286573246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make one and adjust the birthdate on it < 1286573264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first 3-year-old with a resume ever! < 1286573268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :child prodigy! < 1286573294 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :child prodigy should be a group of 3-year-old kids doing prodigy songs < 1286573294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'm on it twice! < 1286573299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286573310 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1286573311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All together now! SMACK MY BITCH UP < 1286573313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I set a default goal of a 2.0 ratio. < 1286573318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, said the 3 year olds. < 1286573347 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 classical Prodigy hits, performed in the rising sun kindergarten in south sussex < 1286573367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're Swedish -- why do you say Sussex :| < 1286573411 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sometimes I just say stuff < 1286573425 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry but that's just the way I do it < 1286573448 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"det är lite så jag jobbar", as we would say in swedish < 1286573470 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-24-72.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286573611 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV_News < 1286573614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god. < 1286573627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "That is light for the jagged job-searcher", I presume < 1286573649 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no, not even close < 1286573692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That are lite for jag jobber. < 1286573706 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like "that's kind of the way I work" (work as in doing a job, not work as in function) < 1286573713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: SHUT UP < 1286573719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer mine < 1286573723 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T < 1286573742 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bathtime anyway, see you some other time < 1286573765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it's done < 1286573770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: three year old's bathtime < 1286573775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget the ducky! < 1286573780 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no ducky < 1286573807 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D': < 1286573811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286573814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives olsner a ducky < 1286573816 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quack* < 1286573817 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286573818 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! :D < 1286573822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Media arrives.] < 1286573825 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quacky quacky ducky ducky < 1286573825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Media < 1286573831 0 :Media!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: What do you have to say for yourself, PAEDOPHILE? < 1286573833 0 :Media!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1286573839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Media: I-- what? I was just giving him a ducky-- < 1286573840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Media < 1286573848 0 :Media!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "ducky" -- is this not a VILE SEXUAL PERVERSION? < 1286573849 0 :Media!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1286573850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286573852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Media < 1286573853 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is like 2.5a old anyway, I'm older < 1286573855 0 :Media!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are hereby sentenced to DEATH < 1286573882 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Paedofinder_Gene < 1286573888 0 :Paedofinder_Gene!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT < 1286573890 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm certain some legislations allow minors to be sentenced as paedophiles even when molesting older kids < 1286573894 0 :Media!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUkt59vY1Q < 1286573925 0 :Paedofinder_Gene!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1286573931 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the kind of legal area where stupid things like that would be going on (except, of course, copyright law) < 1286573933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it "reboots to install more files" and then... Locks up. < 1286573935 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286573939 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except/also < 1286573954 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1286574006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, whaddya think. Qemu? < 1286574037 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Piratefinder_Gen < 1286574041 0 :Piratefinder_Gen!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT < 1286574049 0 :Piratefinder_Gen!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1286574057 0 :Media!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can probably fix it. < 1286574058 0 :Media!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my magic. < 1286574061 0 :Media!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have got it working in VB before. < 1286574063 0 :Media!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I used. < 1286574065 0 :Media!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :alise < 1286574083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hey, you anticipated my reference before I noticed. < 1286574109 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286574111 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: bochs! 8-D < 1286574119 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you made the reference about a week ago. < 1286574121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Firstly: How much RAM you got? < 1286574122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: >_> < 1286574157 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you too well. < 1286574165 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He knows you ... < 1286574167 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → Blackadder < 1286574168 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTIMATELY < 1286574203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I assigned it 512M. < 1286574295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Try 384. < 1286574298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HD size? < 1286574311 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1TB < 1286574316 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286574320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Just shy of 2GiB. < 1286574324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Divided into 2 GB partitions!" < 1286574332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All 512 of them. < 1286574341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: to ITWASTHEBESTOFTI: < 1286574344 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Assigned drive names of C-Z...err < 1286574370 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286574380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Try starting again and tell me what you do at each step. I'm surprised -- maybe it is a problem with the CD. < 1286574394 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner < HackEgo < EgoBot < clog < alise < Phantom_Hoover < wareya < (pikhq, Vorpal) < Sgeo < ais523 < Gregor < cpressey < oerjan < Phantom_Hoover < 1286574394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang, this is time-consuming when you forget to start kqemu... < 1286574395 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ Guess < 1286574403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is the CD attached to the VM still? < 1286574405 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: kqemu ... ??? < 1286574407 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: KVM < 1286574414 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Erm, that. < 1286574419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KVM: Because FUCK EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE VIRTUALISATION < 1286574440 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: At this point, your CPU has to be pretty darn olde not to have it ... < 1286574443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It goes all the way through the steps on the booted-from-CD part of the install, reboots to boot off of the HD, and halts. < 1286574446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nope. < 1286574454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: All low-end Intel models lack it. < 1286574460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least before i3 started becoming common on laptops, I guess. < 1286574482 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: People with low-end processors are low-end people. < 1286574483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: For instance, any Core 2 laptop with a battery life over three minutes doesn't have VT-x. < 1286574508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a 1.33 GHz Core 2 Duo processor and it's wonderful. < 1286574510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no VT-x. < 1286574512 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And yet, my '08 MacBook does. < 1286574520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: God, Bochs would be practical for this. < 1286574523 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ORITE because you *love* Apple < 1286574566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm trying the CD in VB now. < 1286574578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swear this was graphical for me. < 1286574582 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last time) < 1286574593 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWEAR IT! < 1286574617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, it just has a very small non-graphical bit. Like all of Windows installs. < 1286574629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall it, but sure :P < 1286574634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Audacity's "Fix Clip" tool is ... magical. < 1286574645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has made the awesome album well-produced! < 1286574649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a square to actual wavse. < 1286574652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*waves. < 1286574679 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ...? < 1286574693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you aware of what "audio" is? < 1286574729 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No. But I am aware of the concept of waves moving through physical matter, and have been told that audio is somehow related to that. Describe it to me. < 1286574736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What installation method did you choose in VB? < 1286574737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No. < 1286574777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Custom? < 1286574791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I diagnose your only diagnosis. < 1286574850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Issue with Fix Clip: when a part of the track isn't clipped, but it leads into a louder, clipped section, the onset is kinda subdued unlike before. < 1286574965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Windows 95 is so awesome. < 1286575105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SHOULD I INSTALL MICROSOFT MAIL AND FAX OPMG < 1286575378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It seems that Audacity handles Replay Gain. < 1286575380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is awesome. < 1286575532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how Clip Fix actually works. < 1286575552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The problems with Audacity are otherwise, like having the world's worst UI or the world's crappiest feature set. < 1286575620 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Scholar/ ITT: Organised breaking of copyright for science! < 1286575680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mail and Fax or not?! < 1286575707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Nein < 1286575717 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOSER < 1286575720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION enables all accessories < 1286575735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The only optional thing I installed was defrag. < 1286575748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE LAME < 1286575807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF NO UK KEYBOARD LAYOUT < 1286575807 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY < 1286575834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I still at the end of the age list < 1286575834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Should I try and *clean* this here horribly abused disc, or should I just torrent one? < 1286575836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286575837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1286575838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"British" < 1286575839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Torrent. < 1286575843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like ddrescue but more reliable. < 1286575878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've actually downloaded my own torrent for a game before after losing my disc. < 1286575891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The Linus Torvalds backup system: put it on the Internet for everyone else. < 1286575959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3503268/Worms_Armageddon_(Team17__1998__Sold-Out_version) < 1286575960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here it is! < 1286576037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Getting ready to run Windows 95 for the first time..." \o/ < 1286576037 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                        | < 1286576037 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                                       /`\ < 1286576110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT FUCKING CRASHED < 1286576114 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT FUCKING CRASHED QEMU < 1286576158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: VIRTUALBOX BITCH < 1286576171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S WHAT PLANTS CRAVE < 1286576217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Windows Setup, part two, now running in VirtualBox. < 1286576221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Askin' for a username and shit. < 1286576228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Elliott, bitch. < 1286576235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO PASSWORD OHHH < 1286576239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scannin' hardware 'n shit < 1286576242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It works perfectly yo. < 1286576272 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1286576275 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this perfume is crazy < 1286576278 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will have to buy it < 1286576327 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Have you seen "Getting ready to run Windows 95 for the first time..." ? < 1286576336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1286576343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuuuck. < 1286576347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is now asking me to insert my CD-ROM, after having created an account and scanning hardware. < 1286576373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Create VM, 384 megs of ram, 2 gig HD, start it, insert CD, go through the install, let all the default hardware settings be taken, yes you have network and sound hardware, take out the CD, reboot. < 1286576376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insert CD when prompted. < 1286576383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use VirtualBox 3.1.6. < 1286576446 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it 'plains about not having files on the CD. < 1286576507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries again < 1286576646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA IT WORKS NOW < 1286576657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Reboot *with* the cd but press f12; select the hard disk to boot from. < 1286576666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Follow the above instructions and it should work perfectly, unless you're crazy. < 1286576671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or your computer is crazy. < 1286576755 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add Printer Wizard: You must install a printer before you can print from Windows. This wizard will help you install your printer. < 1286576763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Printer printer printer printer printer? Printer! Printer printer printer, printer; printer. < 1286576807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer. < 1286576815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmph. What? < 1286576823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you have virtualisation turned on in VirtualBox? < 1286576825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cuz I don't. < 1286576842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rebooted and selected normal mode, and now have a login prompt. < 1286576853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VICTORY < 1286576854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1286576859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a desktop < 1286576862 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WIN < 1286576886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: By the way, the first -- no, the *very* first -- thing to do is to install VBEMP. < 1286576892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have *no idea* how slow and how ugly the VGA driver is. < 1286576902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN SEE THE INDIVIDUAL CONTROL PANEL ICONS DRAW ONE BY ONE. < 1286576917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Opening the start menu" takes quantifiable time! < 1286576921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: say something < 1286576927 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like my old computer < 1286576937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets up interwebs < 1286577094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It is possible that this disc does not have networking stuff on it. < 1286577113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Use D:/, not X:/ < 1286577116 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have win 95 se with Plus! ? < 1286577132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Didn't work for me, but I'll try again. < 1286577137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no, that's rubbish. wait, since when is there an se? < 1286577157 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't "se" but everyone knows it's the "se" < 1286577159 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just OSR B < 1286577162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286577164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ruins it < 1286577168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes explorer into ie explorer < 1286577169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first time < 1286577176 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and adds proper usb < 1286577179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing a wonderfully light and usable interface with bullshit < 1286577181 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other tings < 1286577182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: there are third-party drivers < 1286577191 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286577191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSR B is just 98 pretending to be the best Windows ever < 1286577205 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 in 96. < 1286577215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, crap a whole two years early < 1286577217 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU HAVE JUST COLLAPSED THE TIME CONTINUUM. < 1286577223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky, aren't we? < 1286577232 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mayyybe < 1286577236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: this cd seems to suck < 1286577239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's crashing virtualbox < 1286577243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1286577250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that's the failed copy < 1286577260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does seem to suck. < 1286577267 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i could find the one i used way back < 1286577272 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Do so. < 1286577272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one worked perfectly < 1286577278 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALT at 0xfe0fc1ac: Printer Wizard is casting Bad Magic < 1286577334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmph, where on earth is the CD version... < 1286577337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this floppy crap! < 1286577357 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://filmcow.com/binotheelephant.html ONE THOUSAND TIMES YES FOREVER < 1286577361 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows 9x Project (95 OSR2.5, 98, 98SE, and ME) < 1286577362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO NOT WANT < 1286577376 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALT at 0c3ecd00d: Workgroup Dragon has eaten Printer Wizard < 1286577387 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It does indeed suck. < 1286577396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHAT IS THIS < 1286577411 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: By the guy who made Charlie the Unicorn. < 1286577414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we have < 1286577414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BINO < 1286577419 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ELEPHANT < 1286577435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes, Meredith, I've sent an elephant to Hell, it's science stuff you wouldn't understand." < 1286577437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...funnier said < 1286577490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pooping! I've been poo-ping! A looo~t." ...this thing is going to be all quotes, isn't it? < 1286577502 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Mostly :P < 1286577504 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: But not entirely. < 1286577532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think you've found the CHAMBER OF MISERY!" "Oh, good, how do I get in it." < 1286577710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please tell me there will be a sequel. < 1286577720 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. No guarantees, I am not the Film Cow. < 1286577724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, a Vanilla the Plastic Snowman reference! < 1286577728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't see that every day. < 1286577744 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Llamas with Hats got sequels, and it's not as funny. < 1286577759 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :We are doing science SO HARD right now. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286577782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The flower... is crawling... up my urethra... | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286577787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the more relevant quote for this channel. < 1286577799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quote‽ < 1286577804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs more screamycaps. < 1286577808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://filmcow.com/binotheelephant.html < 1286577815 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But he said it so resignedly! < 1286577829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: using D: helps not, it still can't finderate the filia. < 1286577845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The flower ... is climbing ... ... UP MY URETHRAAAAAAAA ... and singing! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286577853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Bino's journey into hell begins!" < 1286577855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Begins < 1286577857 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :The flower ... is crawling ... ... UP MY URETHRAAAAAAAA ... and singing! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286577894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What... did you change? < 1286577908 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/climbing/crawling/ < 1286577932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can't find the fuzucking torrentsimo! < 1286577948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.torrentz.com/ad773aa9319cded389aff39b6989df7547af0eeb Inexplicable CD contents < 1286577996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: < 1286577997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.torrentz.com/e77df637b08d16b8a346804780f05299dd034400 < 1286577998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.torrentz.com/8deb7a5f6e0b48ba68199ac699b13e7646c20f35 < 1286577999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pick one. < 1286578303 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science, Bino. Speculative science! < 1286578485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Either way, she's a spanking good witch" --DMM on Hermione Granger, Irregular Webcomic! cast list, making everyone feel vaguely uncomfortable < 1286578532 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMM: the last person you'd expect to make you feel uncomfortable. < 1286578569 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for in that exact "have a gay old time" sense that only the profoundly non-discomforting can achieve. < 1286579053 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, did anyone else look at his raytracing work? < 1286579106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION comes to the conclusion that per-app WINE prefixes is the *only* way to use WINE. < 1286579140 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINE prefixes? < 1286579157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Where it stores the C drive, WINE configuration, and registry. < 1286579165 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1286579177 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should it be per-app? < 1286579193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because sometimes you need to do funky stuff to get a program running. < 1286579204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Windows programs are notorious for interfering with each other. < 1286579263 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Windows programs are effectively impossible to fully install. < 1286579289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, if each Windows program is in its own self-contained world, it's just a matter of rm < 1286579361 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Effectively impossible to fully uninstall? < 1286579416 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALT at 0x98a1d1ed: Dungeon Update is missing DLLs and Manacles < 1286579556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286579926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Windows programs spew shit everywhere. < 1286579929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYWHERE. < 1286580069 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286580150 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286580280 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to know how an arbitrary point on the Sierpiński Gasket can be identified. < 1286580367 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic. < 1286580371 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And kittens. < 1286580610 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the limit of a series of Hanoi coin flips < 1286580617 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or however that works < 1286580629 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realize this is circular for your goal! Ha! < 1286580652 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Hanoi#Graphical_representation < 1286580665 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look upon the graph, ye mighty, and despair. < 1286580696 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh -- I thought it was the random thing you were doing < 1286580720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea whatsoever how this might be accomplished < 1286580765 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I doubt there is a way to identify a point in an infinitely detailed structure without giving an infinite "path" < 1286580783 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, define "infinitely detailed"? < 1286580784 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either up, or down, depending on how you build the gasket, as we discussed (sort of) < 1286580787 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self similar? < 1286580790 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's a fractal < 1286580799 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no point at which you can't zoom in < 1286580817 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case, I think identification might be easy enough with an infinite stream of trits. < 1286580829 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is pretty much what I just said. < 1286580842 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, could be bits, from what I understand < 1286580864 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, has to be trits, since the repeating unit is repeated 3 times. < 1286580882 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you start at one of the corners, then flip a coin, then move to halfway between the corner you were just on, and one of the other two corners (becomes the new "corner you're on"), you approach the gasket. < 1286580883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, infinity is easily worked around. < 1286580896 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read this in a magazine once. < 1286580902 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it must be true. < 1286580907 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I must be remembering it correctly. < 1286580909 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the Chaos Game. < 1286580912 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1286580935 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you only need bits -- the series of flips in an infinite Chaos game -- to identify a point. < 1286580949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because the random selection is of a corner < 1286580957 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you need 3 choices. < 1286580964 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it one of the corners you're not currently on? < 1286580975 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could easily be misremembering that part. < 1286581114 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are. < 1286581166 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My algorithm was more or less "number each subtriangle, select the one corresponding to the current trit, lather, rinse, repeat." < 1286581241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is more or less the floating-point of Sierpiński representation. < 1286581349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you do realise an infinite stream of bits = an infinite stream of trits, right? < 1286581366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes, but trits are nicer for Sierpiński. < 1286581385 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/trit/tit < 1286581410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna make that joke, also you forgot the closing / < 1286581413 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286581420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ofc R^2 has all the points inside, it just has a lot of points outside too :) < 1286581441 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, bits are nicer for R^2. < 1286581471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So taking C to be pairs of reals, quarter-imaginary is the logical equivalent of binary. < 1286581504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: Phantom_Hoover wouldn't know about the tit positioning of the sierpinski triangle anyway, being a gay vampire and all < 1286581545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot never lies < 1286581546 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: or use integer arithmetic. chicken performs *much* faster with fixnum optimizations. < 1286581588 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1286581588 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1286581592 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, speak. < 1286581594 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes, indeed. in fact, extremely difficult and sometimes tragic summer that we have a responsibility, although by a small oligarchy that is cut off from any hope of access even to the persecution of all political decision-makers. all this serves to enrich and complete the picture, we must take account of the new developments in the balkans. < 1286582026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you read Irregular Webcomic? < 1286582030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Webcomic! ? < 1286582038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do indeed. < 1286582075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I do, but sporadically (irregular, one might say); I'm thinking about reading it. From #1. To present day. < 1286582082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me how crazy I am! < 1286582084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that. < 1286582098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it a year ago, but that's not too big a difference. < 1286582121 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :I have nice flowers! They even talk! But I want to win a big spider! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286582139 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, doesn't everyone archive binge when they find an interesting webcomic? < 1286582151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. If it takes me seven seconds to read, digest, laugh at, and read and digest the annotations of, and then go on to the comic after, one single comic -- a ridiculously low estimate, most likely -- then it'd take five and a half hours, without breaks, to read all the comics. And that's if I did it all before the next comic is posted. < 1286582155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Methinks it is a multiple-day endeavour. < 1286582166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I do when there aren't 2812 freakin' stripts! < 1286582169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*strips < 1286582189 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were 2414 when I went through them! < 1286582192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once tried to archive-binge User Friendly. I think I covered about five years or something. < 1286582195 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, give or take. < 1286582205 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: HOW < 1286582213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I had faulty humour receptors. < 1286582226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once calculated that on Archive Binge's highest setting, it would take 333 days to read all of Schlock Mercenary. < 1286582227 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as long as we're confessing, I archive-binged Sluggy Freelance once. < 1286582236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sluggy -- isn't that the one written by a Mormon? < 1286582251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was that Schlock Mercenary? < 1286582257 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's possible. I don't track the religious beliefs of webcomic authors. < 1286582261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, who even cares about all these shitty comics. < 1286582271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Mormons are a bit weirder than pure religion :) < 1286582279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Produced Twilight, too! I'm sure that book commits all kinds of sins. < 1286582282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "don't be awful". < 1286582287 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :religious+ beliefs, then < 1286582301 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twilight evidently deserves to be an SCP. < 1286582305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, missionary < 1286582309 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twilight is some sick shit < 1286582315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could deal with plain mormon, but I hate missionaries with a fiery passion. < 1286582336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe for a second that Meyer wrote down her erotic vampire dreams. < 1286582353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matz was a Mormon missionary, which makes me sad as he's a really nice guy. < 1286582360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully, I don't like Ruby nearly as much as I used to, so it's no issue! < 1286582368 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's clearly insidiously crafted to worm its way into teenage girls' minds. < 1286582369 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286582372 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally, she dictated them to her mother, who wrote them down < 1286582392 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't larry wall something too? < 1286582394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naked. < 1286582402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i like how that appeared after the larry wall comment < 1286582407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Isn't Larry Wall something too?" "Naked!" < 1286582410 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was just going to say < 1286582414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Larry Wall is just plain Christian < 1286582423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however < 1286582424 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While in graduate school at UC Berkeley, Wall and his wife were studying linguistics with the intention afterwards of finding an unwritten language, perhaps in Africa, and creating a writing system for it. They would then use this new writing system to translate various texts into the language, among them the Bible." < 1286582436 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1286582442 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a biblinguist < 1286582444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give a native culture a language... and a new religion! < 1286582449 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're fun < 1286582461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind trying to bring them into the enlightened, scientific age. Or leaving them alone; no! We'll EVOLVE their backwardsness. < 1286582469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. CREATE their backwardsness! No, wait, that's not right... DAMN YOU DARWIN! < 1286582503 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll bring advanced Western backwardsness to them! < 1286582513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully, Perl is both crazy and Wall a bit loopy. < 1286582519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no cognitive dissonance! < 1286582580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can has ie6, ie7, and ie8 app-specific VMs! < 1286582587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286582590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wine installs. < 1286582592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not VMs. < 1286582593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO EXPERIENCE THREE PAINS AT ONCE < 1286582599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DIFFERENT PAINS < 1286582600 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: INDEED < 1286582618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A scale model of the Universe is not actually that hard to make. If you make a model the size of a basketball, then to scale everything in the Universe is smaller than an atom, so there's no need to even bother putting it in there. < 1286582618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So just take a spherical container and pump the air out. Voilà!" --DMM < 1286582622 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have know idea how desirable that setup is for testing in web-based companies < 1286582623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE PROJECT OBTAINED < 1286582628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a SCALE MODEL of the ENTIRE universe." < 1286582635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: *no < 1286582640 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, you could have just used IEs4Linux. < 1286582645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which ... does all that for you. < 1286582649 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, now make each wine install CoW. < 1286582656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, maybe not the per-app Wine installs. < 1286582658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does it somehow. < 1286582668 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Expand acronym. < 1286582680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copy on Write. < 1286582691 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you know, you have no idea" got mangled on the way to the keyboard < 1286582693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you don't have 50 copies of each file. < 1286582706 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought CoW was some application. < 1286582724 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Committee of WarCraft < 1286582729 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Warcraft < 1286582755 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an exciting massively multiplayer online game about the back-office aspect of warfare < 1286582771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: IEs4Linux is old and crufty and does obnoxious things that WINE doesn't need anymore. < 1286582780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, IE8 doesn't appear to work in WINE ATM. < 1286582786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's also that great thing: convenient. < 1286582793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>__> < 1286582798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay so it doesn't work any more. < 1286582800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yeah, but it also creates a borken IE7. < 1286582800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever. < 1286582806 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there's a Wikipedia FUSE. < 1286582809 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And slightly borken IE6. < 1286582811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/ies4linux < 1286582813 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE6 too. < 1286582814 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crashes. < 1286582839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WP's article says among its disadvantages are that it a) doesn't work and b) isn't maintained any more. < 1286582841 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: read-only, or can I make updates? < 1286582845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D < 1286582849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work, but it is maintained! < 1286582856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: BUT HOW EDIT SUMMARY FROM EDITOR??? < 1286582858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a basically-perfect IE6 and an IE7 with graphical glitches. < 1286582861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILESYSTEM INSUFFICIENT FOR WIKIWATCHERS < 1286582863 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm /mnt/wikipedia/* < 1286582870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Basically perfect [...] with [flaws]" < 1286582873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That word. < 1286582877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think it means what you think it means. < 1286582906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: No, IE6 is pretty much perfect, and IE7 has a couple of graphical glitches. < 1286582910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1286582914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed the "an". < 1286582929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Jarring thing in the 2008/2009 IWC apocalypse: Somehow Espionage didn't get destroyed??? < 1286582932 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The graphical glitches are *just* on its toolbar. < 1286582939 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, nor did Fantasy. < 1286582941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then how did the universe get destroyed, if everyone has to destroy it at once for that to happen? < 1286582951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did it just say multiple? Regardless: < 1286582955 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that the Fantasy and Espionage universes are separate. < 1286582957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you claim that the *entire universe* has been destroyed? < 1286582961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So they have no Death? < 1286582964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Hrm, it appears to render things oddly, too. < 1286582967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's pretty clearly only one Death canon. < 1286582976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that canon said "yo, everyone died". < 1286582989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also, blatantly false -- see crossovers on http://irregularwebcomic.net/cast/. < 1286582999 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the only issues I see with IE6 are... IE6. < 1286583004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, Death *first appeared* in Fantasy. < 1286583014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Conclusion: THIS MAKES NO SENSE < 1286583040 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, the only Fantasy-¬{Death} crossover I can think of was very contrived and clearly a one-off joke. < 1286583080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irregularwebcomic.net/cast/ < 1286583087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been three non-Death Fantasy crossovers. < 1286583093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And four non-Death Space crossovers. < 1286583097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And furthermore, Death is the important one. < 1286583101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death *started* in Fantasy. < 1286583104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same Death all the way through. < 1286583109 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wtf < 1286583110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that Death organisation said that everyone died. < 1286583123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So everyone *must* *have* *died*, so *WHAT HAPPENED TO ESPIONAGE AND SPACE?* < 1286583132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, perhaps they run a multidimensional operation. < 1286583134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHAT. < 1286583140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They said "multiple realities". < 1286583142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They accounted for that. < 1286583148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every twindly bit of universe was destroyed, sez they. < 1286583263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMM is too nice. Just the annotations where he goes on about stuff. < 1286583266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Far too pleasant. < 1286583282 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have the Fantasy Deaths and the main theme universe Deaths ever been explicitly linked, other than sharing names? < 1286583307 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, yes. < 1286583324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: In conclusion: MAJOR PLOT HOLE < 1286583346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't say it's minor, IWC has a concrete plot and the frickin' universe got destroyed, any flaw in that involving UNIVERSES STILL EXISTING is major :P < 1286583347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, perhaps the Deaths have their own subtle plans. < 1286583356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well... OTOH < 1286583362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fantasy and Space are both accounts of IRL RPG games. < 1286583366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or purport to be. < 1286583373 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the IWCverse is currently hurtling towards another cataclysm. < 1286583377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you COULD argue -- although this has holes -- that since only the fictional universe got destroyed, they didn't. < 1286583384 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps some more canon welding will occur. < 1286583386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is obviously hokum for so many reasons, but it almost gets you out of it. Sort of. < 1286583396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Space was in the 2009 apocalypse. < 1286583398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I suggest we tell him to fix it! :P < 1286583401 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1286583401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, right. < 1286583416 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I doubt he hasn't noticed. < 1286583417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes? < 1286583425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Has he fully considered the implications, though?!?! < 1286583441 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i refuse to say < 1286583450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You're exasperated at our canon arguments. :| < 1286583452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADMIT IT < 1286583454 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: got nu vagrant? < 1286583460 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, we speak of the inventor of Piet. He has endless complexities beyond our ken. < 1286583469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sure, got tolerance for clingy Q fangirls that hover around you and never attack? < 1286583476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also currently ungolfed code to do so? < 1286583479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cuz that's what i've got right now < 1286583490 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: sure why not < 1286583519 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: plan to change the code? if you do i'd better upload debug.py as well < 1286583534 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: prolly not but WHO KNOWS < 1286583555 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always loved the IWC favicon. < 1286583558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: It's almost incomprehensibly short. Nobody can resist tweaking it. < 1286583584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://pastie.org/1208840.txt?key=xipxlhgc0dyfwptglqkg vagrant.py < 1286583616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://pastie.org/1208841.txt?key=sqzicem58jcp8gwcxeuba debug.py (run instead of vagrant.py to see exceptions rather than silent death) < 1286583630 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: To get rid of mindless fangirls: Comment out the long for loop in T(). < 1286583653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: If you remove those lines entirely, you can't quite believe it's a game that does anything. < 1286583664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, and it may or may not work with Python 2.7; I forget if they made / into proper division then, or just in 3.0. < 1286583673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It relies on / being integer division. If it doesn't work, change the two divisions to use //. < 1286583713 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they probably did not change / in 2.7 because wait what am i saying < 1286583724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Gameplay: you know this. vikeys to move, q to quaff potions (displayed after HP), % is food, ! is potion, # is wall, the rest you can figure out yourself < 1286583730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and $ is cash < 1286583738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is satiation, lose it and you die quickly without ridiculous hp and proximity to food < 1286583744 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1286583746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fwiw i strongly recommend commenting out the AI code if you want to play < 1286583749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very annoying < 1286583754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have Qs cluster around you constantly < 1286583764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it looks way shorter without it. < 1286583805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And, yes, I do use "str" as the shortest way to write a function that, when called with no arguments, produces no side effects. < 1286583809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHAHA < 1286583845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Do you have any irritating "Pythonistas" there who love to go on about beautiful Python code and best practices and formatting your code properly and documenting it and oh the PEP-8 and? < 1286583855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEP-8? < 1286583856 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 'cuz if so, totally show them this. With the AI code taken out, it's too normal-looking. < 1286583861 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The Python style guide. < 1286583866 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that the thing mentioned in that crazy ABC thing? < 1286583884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1286583885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1286583930 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Oh, and yeah, despite being less than two kilobytes, my code *does* in fact feature a better scrolling mechanism than Crawl. < 1286583935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: Crawl developers are morons < 1286584107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, rereading the IWC apocalypse '09 arc, the Deaths only say the universe was destroyed. < 1286584117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of the universes. < 1286584159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They also say that *everyone* died. < 1286584163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in. Everyone. < 1286584205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. all people in the universe are dead. < 1286584220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, shut up. < 1286584228 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never played Crawl < 1286584240 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still go for the "Deaths have a secret agenda" theory < 1286584247 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: re pythonistas, um sorta. but not that bad. < 1286584260 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEP-8, yes. < 1286584284 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Python understands me but I'll never get along with Ruby", yes. < 1286584287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawl is like nethack, but the monsters hate you personally as opposed to just being nasties, and even though you move your character stays in the centre because crawl is the game of headaches < 1286584296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it has a ridiculously huge sidebar < 1286584305 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :developers whose wardrobe consists almost entire of python-themed t-shirts, yes. < 1286584308 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286584310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it has a command to explore the level for you, because they're so large and featureless that doing it manually would cause suicide in anyone < 1286584323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah -- rip out the AI lines and show them this < 1286584337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then get them to run it and watch them cry as they try and figure out how guido could possibly have let this happen < 1286584427 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with today's comic. I just thought it was so interesting that I had an urge to share it." --http://irregularwebcomic.net/2203.html < 1286584493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's called 35mm film because it is 35 millimetres wide." < 1286584551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Records, for those people younger than about 30 years old, were the precursors of compact discs." < 1286584558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I -- what 20-year-old does not know this? < 1286584609 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even I knew it! < 1286584612 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terminally stupid. < 1286584617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think it was a joke < 1286584625 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har < 1286584630 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am teh laugh < 1286584657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, he gave the diameter < 1286584660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in approximate terms < 1286584662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(twice that of a CD) < 1286584663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is also a Nyquist plugin called Clipfix for Audacity that uses cubic splines to ensure that the restored signal is continuously differentiable." < 1286584669 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's how it works. < 1286584682 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooo < 1286584687 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clever. < 1286584713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1286584742 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286584771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Reversing the loudness war sounds SO GOOD < 1286584788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it decreases dynamic range a little because you have to amplify by -10dB first. < 1286584792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may just be my imagination. < 1286584799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some "climaxes" do seem a little less punchy. < 1286584871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Whaddya mean, amplify by -10dB first? < 1286584891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's what you have to do with Clip Fix. < 1286584898 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1286584903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, says it, it may not have the headroom to put in the interpolated samples. < 1286584911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in practice I think -3 to -5 dB would do it just fine. < 1286584945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it's not like what you're doing this to *has* dynamic range in the first place. < 1286584973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well... the music does... arguably. (Okay, very arguably; not the quietest band.) But the mastering sure as hell doesn't. < 1286584977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But -- < 1286584982 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a non-clipped bit, and then a clipped bit after it, < 1286584988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the punchiness of the transition is decreased < 1286584992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe we could just get Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab to release all good albums. < 1286585002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, they do that weird gold CD stuff, but they sure as hell master properly. < 1286585011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, I don't actually *know* that, but I'm pretty sure they do.0 < 1286585014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do.) < 1286585015 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286585037 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286585055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, Clip Fix is *slow*. < 1286585066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes, like, an hour to do a bit-over-10-minutes song. < 1286585198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(In 1988, George Bush called Mike Dukakis a "card-carrying member of the ACLU", in effect comparing the Bill of Rights with Communism and its defenders with Communists. This insult to the US Constitution inspired me, as it did many others, to join the ACLU. Let's hope the Shrub will not be president; one Bush was too many.)" --Stallman, 2000 < 1286585202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT STALLMAN, WHY DID YOU CURSE US < 1286585205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...them < 1286585212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all of us, we had to hear about it. < 1286585249 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Thing that needs to die: Single edits. < 1286585343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our (the UK) Education Secretary has links to Opius Dei. Ruth Kelly is her name < 1286585344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(very strange looking woman, some sort of Lesbo-mutant if you ask me)" --silly conspiracy forums < 1286585350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LESBO-MUTANT < 1286585363 0 :cheater00!~cheater@ip-80-226-23-143.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286585445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (Thing that needs to die: Music industry) < 1286585594 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286585688 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing that needs to die: Me. But not now. < 1286585739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So, if you were told you would live forever, this would be terrible to you? < 1286585786 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Assuming many-universes, it is OK if I live forever in one possible universe, as long as it is not the case in all of them. < 1286585798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why is that? < 1286585810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286585819 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Surely if everyone live forever there will be no room. < 1286585863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That is a position that is remarkably at odds with scientific progress. < 1286585898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And besides, if we assume many-universes, there is already a universe in which everyone lives forever. < 1286586026 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1286586030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP CRASHING FLASH < 1286586032 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What level of many-universes do you mean? I read a article there is four levels. What I mean is the one specified as level III in the article. If such a universe is exist, then it won't be like that forever. < 1286586033 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU FLASH < 1286586034 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YOU < 1286586049 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Then just disable Flash, if it doesn't work? < 1286586059 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are YouTube videos I want to watch < 1286586063 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or else, write your own implementation) < 1286586070 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Then use a conversion program, maybe. < 1286586476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyberrgs. < 1286586536 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When watching Uncyclopedia, do so in a well lit room, and do not sit too close to the TV. We are absolutely not accountable for your actions, especially if you try to use this information in a dark room. < 1286586556 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consult a doctor if reading while pregnant, diabetic or hypersensitive to penicillin. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Void where prohibited. Where there is smoke there is fire. Swimming is the best form of exercise. Batteries not included. < 1286586586 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not fold, spindle or mutilate. Call your mother, she's worried about you. Close cover before striking. Game pieces do not actually talk. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead is purely coincidental. Some assembly required. List each check separately by bank number. < 1286586600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not paste long quotes into IRC unless they're funny. Do not taunt. < 1286586660 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball. And also do not taunt long quotes into IRC unless they're funny. And also do not funny long quotes into CRI if they are not. And also. < 1286586770 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a restart will help < 1286586971 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it say "METAFONT failed for some reason" but there is no error message, and it seems to be working? < 1286586999 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also says "ignoring 0 strange path(s)" < 1286587023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno. < 1286587082 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286587147 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286588294 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286588441 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came home to find a very tiny spider on my desk < 1286588496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's profound. < 1286588519 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, according to the topic, i guess i did not win < 1286588533 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i got like 556th place or something < 1286588538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: here's a vagrant.py with the AI pre-removed OMG how revolutionary: < 1286588540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1208931.txt?key=lqqwxvq9rvwdlbukvnmgtw < 1286588545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ol' debug.py still applies < 1286588560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, the code is way too short. how the fuck does it work < 1286588563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes no sense man < 1286588642 0 :jomjome!~jomjom@unaffiliated/totimkopf JOIN :#esoteric < 1286588676 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the awesome power of joomla < 1286588680 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i mean python < 1286588779 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(omg now they all KNOW my SEKRIT) < 1286588854 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon, alise, soon < 1286588874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: PLAY IT < 1286589046 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286589151 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1286589153 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice hally < 1286589156 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*u < 1286589160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or w/e < 1286589234 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um does it wear off eventually? < 1286589283 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um one inconsequential issue < 1286589296 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your terminal is >80 (or at least -- mine is) < 1286589307 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the status bar is repeated < 1286589319 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, it "scrolls" a half page to the right each turn < 1286589323 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise ^ < 1286589329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1286589336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah 80x24 or bust < 1286589344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supporting anything else = more bytes :) < 1286589353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :resize it, it's not like the game uses any more :P < 1286589383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i can think maybe what causes that < 1286589385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps fixable < 1286589406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: < 1286589407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :def C(x):s.insstr(23,0,' '*80);s.insstr(23,0,x);s.redrawwin() < 1286589409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace C() with this < 1286589410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1286589418 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i still recommend 80x24 so you can see the border of vision < 1286589426 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the proper scrolling is very very cool < 1286589434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286589441 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-=(X-x)/17;Y-=(Y-y)/5 < 1286589444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only two statements, too! < 1286589460 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :integer division ftw < 1286589484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: btw to hallucinate wildly just keep eating food until the 1/15 chance smiles upon you < 1286589486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens quite often < 1286589488 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: does hallucination wear off < 1286589491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286589496 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't for me yet < 1286589496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :85 to 100 turns, pressing space may help < 1286589502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :potions help < 1286589507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quaff potions if you have any < 1286589513 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: to identify what things are, here's a cheat: < 1286589514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold down enter < 1286589515 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been a good 500 turns now < 1286589520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, surely not < 1286589532 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i know what potions i have < 1286589538 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :number next to HP < 1286589540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all potions are the same < 1286589541 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe i got a lot of hallucinatory food and fifn'yt notice < 1286589545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just gets mixed into one infinite container < 1286589547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's likely < 1286589551 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 47 potions? < 1286589558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 47 HP restorable by potions < 1286589562 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1286589565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually tracking individual potions is too many bytes < 1286589569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Loudness war'd albums have won Grammies for Best Engineered Album. < 1286589572 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why q put it down to 27 < 1286589573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if k=='q': < 1286589573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=min(P,20);L=min(L+q,300) < 1286589573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if P and L<301:U=min(U+q*3*(U>0),300);P-=q;T() < 1286589573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : continue < 1286589576 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes, really. < 1286589579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it also takes away some U < 1286589586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: loudness war'd albums = all albums now < 1286589590 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's not surprising, if depressing < 1286589600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also means that great, modern albums are saddled with terrible production < 1286589620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Not all albums, actually. < 1286589627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Just an obnoxious amount of them. < 1286589634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: All major-label and most minor-label albums. < 1286589644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, obnoxious. < 1286589651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: btw, enter is designed to dismiss messages < 1286589654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see the status line < 1286589659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it redraws, and so re-hallus < 1286589661 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite taking 0 turns < 1286589666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you hold it down you can make out what things are mostly < 1286589673 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's only a 1/3 chance a given tile will be distorted < 1286589681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a "bug" but it's way too much trouble to fix it < 1286589709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's sad that I have to applaud people for *having any dynamic range* in their music. < 1286589727 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: pretty sure i'm perma-llucinating. < 1286589739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: how much S do you have? < 1286589746 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :167 < 1286589747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well a lot of music has dynamic range musically, just not production-wise < 1286589754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: how many potions? < 1286589760 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and, hp? < 1286589761 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(57) < 1286589763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, yes. You know what I mean. Music, *as published*. < 1286589767 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP=149 < 1286589778 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1087 turns, 1323 gold. < 1286589794 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only remember seeing one "Yuk!" message < 1286589795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: q until all potions are gone, hold down any key -- i suggest space -- (that doesn't move or quaff or anything, and isn't enter) until you're at about S:10a < 1286589799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*S:10 < 1286589803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Euuch, actually < 1286589804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but try that < 1286589812 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1286589812 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're still hallu, then i'm confused and will think a lot < 1286589838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaiit < 1286589841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :potions may hurt hallu < 1286589841 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286589843 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wore off < 1286589845 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at about S:70 < 1286589849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since my hallu-healing code hurts < 1286589851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: kay < 1286589854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll fix this code now < 1286589859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Y'know, it'd be awesome if artists would release the unmixed tracks from studio sessions. < 1286589868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1286589870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So that someone who gave a damn could mix it well. < 1286589873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you mean with all the tracks and shit? < 1286589886 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I have a suggestion, if you want to hear it, for an additoin < 1286589890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nine Inch Nails did that with a few tracks from Year Zero but the individual tracks were polished-ish < 1286589890 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*addition < 1286589895 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: absolutely < 1286589896 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: btw, patch: < 1286589899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if P and L<301:U=min(U+q*3*(U>0),85);P-=q;T() < 1286589902 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: > < 1286589906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious which line this modification is to < 1286589909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you mean downstairs? < 1286589912 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. Just "here's the entire studio session." < 1286589920 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :increases an integer l which affects density < 1286589922 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes < 1286589926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: was fun to disable random tracks though < 1286589940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :affects density? why? < 1286589941 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also scrambles the playfield (use the intial population funciton whatever it is) < 1286589948 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deeper levels have more shit in them < 1286589955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, people, it does not go up to 11. < 1286589969 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(easy way to make it both harder and more rewarding, at least theoretically) < 1286590037 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, uh. maybe combat first < 1286590042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes :P < 1286590044 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It'd also be awesome to see raw video being distributed. :P < 1286590053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dislikes generation loss. < 1286590068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: my "plan" was to have some sort of monetary amount to get into hell or wherever < 1286590078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: where killing a monster gives you silly amounts of money compared to $ bags < 1286590081 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's pretty much required < 1286590083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you get a fun boss < 1286590138 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see < 1286590185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: levels sound good, but increased density = increased risk of being boxed in by walls when you arrive < 1286590187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that would suck < 1286590243 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teleport spells! < 1286590248 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not too serious) < 1286590255 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-66-169.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286590255 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286590255 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286590337 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if the improvementsi made ot my bot work < 1286590448 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!~mzstorkip@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286590457 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1286590465 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized, it responds to frigg < 1286590491 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :frigg: VERSION < 1286590494 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: Meh. < 1286590494 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Meh. < 1286590501 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, like that! < 1286590512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: help < 1286590513 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Help is available for: assignment print < 1286590518 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: help assignment < 1286590518 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: @a=1 [server-scope assignment] < 1286590523 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: help print < 1286590523 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: print {@a} [send contents of @a to stdout] < 1286590528 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1286590544 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mzstorkipiwanbot: @x=5 < 1286590545 0 :mzstorkipiwanbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286590549 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COWARD < 1286590745 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scuze me < 1286590746 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286590826 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286590830 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai < 1286590882 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have neat idea with lua has the %b pattern for parsing with regexp nono haha recursive < 1286590919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i couldn't do random teleport < 1286590922 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I managed to screw up FreeCiv enough that every AI wants to be allied with me, to the point where they'll dissolve an alliance because I refuse to go to war with somebody they're at war with, then immediately re-ally with me. < 1286590926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"random number from 1 to infinity, distributed evenly" < 1286590935 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How is that a bad thing? < 1286590936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE GOD < 1286590948 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just amusing :P < 1286591016 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: omg u r hax1ng teh freeciv srcs? < 1286591023 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1286591027 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just configured it really weirdly. < 1286591058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there only torrents of '95 on floppy? < 1286591063 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because you t--. < 1286591067 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's especially funny right now because I'm a Republic (my favorite government type), and my senate won't let me go to war with anyone, so even if I wanted to honor my alliances, I can't. < 1286591082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And an inexplicable Finnish version on CD, and one that's got 0 seeds. < 1286591088 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARADOX GOVERNMENT < 1286591105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, I do so love FreeCiv. < 1286591113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is the FreeCiv package in Debian okay? < 1286591127 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: HOW FUN IS VAGRANT EH < 1286591130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your top moneys so far < 1286591145 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Almost. < 1286591147 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: FUNNESS PER SOURCE CODE BYTE = AWESOME < 1286591151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Almost? < 1286591157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ABSOLUTE FUNNESS, THOUGH? :P < 1286591162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's a little bit wtf-is-ipv4-lawl, but otherwise it's all good. < 1286591169 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should just fetch the floppies. And go with a tedious, tedious install process. < 1286591174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...I wasn't planning to play networked < 1286591178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No way :P < 1286591185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There is some CD that is just all the floppies catted together somehow. < 1286591187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one worked for me. < 1286591197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: o.o < 1286591201 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Then 's all A-OK. Also, it's easy enough to do netplay if you call freeciv-server manually rather than from the client. < 1286591202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do I want freeciv gtk or sdl or what < 1286591206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess sdl < 1286591209 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: gtk < 1286591212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1286591217 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SDL client sucks, and not in a good way. < 1286591230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But playing games made with regular widget toolkits FEELS SO WEIRD. < 1286591233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also an AJAX client. < 1286591236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have to deal with server bullshit if I just want to play? < 1286591236 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I AM A FUNNESS-FINITIST. what good mans reach grasp exceed something something < 1286591256 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "freeciv-client-xaw3d" Q.E.D. < 1286591258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The GTK client will operate the server as is sane for single-player use. < 1286591275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect the others will as well, but I'm not as familiar with them. < 1286591280 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Athena hates MIT for associating her name with that awful widgetkit. < 1286591304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor goddess < 1286591307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Athena is more than just a toolkit, you know. < 1286591311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought you said their < 1286591312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1286591316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a company or something < 1286591319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah athena itself is cool < 1286591326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :produced X11 < 1286591327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1286591329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reject my assertion < 1286591330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :athena sucks < 1286591332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kerberos. < 1286591343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact, still deployed < 1286591350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor MIT people, using GNOME 0.1 or whatever it is < 1286591356 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://animeholicph.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/card-captor-sakura-keroberos.jpg < 1286591365 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ...? < 1286591386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what? < 1286591395 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: DOT DOT DOT QUESTION MARK < 1286591409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I can *almost* make that relevant in my head. < 1286591410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost. < 1286591416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They have used X11 thin clients at MIT since the 80s. < 1286591448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're still using some of the old, old, old school software on it, too. < 1286591455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apparently the architecture itself has program binaries themselves being run on NFS-or-something-like-it. < 1286591479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.spang.cc/posts/MIT_Athena:_Not_Dead_Yet/ < 1286591485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.spang.cc/images/clean-athena.png < 1286591487 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually GNOME 2.8. < 1286591492 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still... Jesus. < 1286591505 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a zephyr too < 1286591517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: IM < 1286591537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's... Sun. < 1286591538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Jesus. < 1286591555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hacks.mit.edu/by_year/1989/grumpy_fuzzball/gf_screen_large.gif The login screen (with fuzzball instead of the usual owl, a hack from december 1989) < 1286591564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's running on SunOS. Not Solaris, SunOS. < 1286591570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nope. < 1286591573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RHEL 4. < 1286591576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://blog.spang.cc/posts/MIT_Athena:_Not_Dead_Yet/. < 1286591577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sun4" < 1286591585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286591588 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So, what I really just wasted over 600 words prepping for is to say that Athena 10 will be based on Ubuntu." circa 2008 < 1286591591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pretty sure that's the machine < 1286591594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1286591594 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1286591595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server < 1286591598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clients being RHEL < 1286591604 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the other way around < 1286591608 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Athena 10 will be based on Ubuntu" < 1286591615 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Athena 10 Technical Plan (Page Not Found) < 1286591616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reassuring < 1286591620 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now She is pissed i'm pretty sure < 1286591714 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 4x-human-size virgin in armor, with a big-ass spear, bearing down on cambridge as we speak < 1286591731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*big ass-spear < 1286591775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I like how you decided to mention she's a virgin. < 1286591790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Still up for the taking, MIT guys! Just don't do it!" < 1286591795 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: hey, it was one of the salient features attributed to her < 1286591803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.spang.cc/images/clean-athena.png <-- I love how RISC OS the launcher icons at the bottom are. < 1286591816 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i forgot the STONEMAKINGGORGONHEADSHIELD, though < 1286591829 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking awesome < 1286591939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_File_System < 1286591940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what they use < 1286591951 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kerberos-based, who wouldda guessed?!?!?! < 1286591992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The proposed "3M" workstations included a million pixel display and a megabyte of memory, running at a million instructions per second. Unfortunately a fourth M, cost on the order of a megapenny, proved the 3M beyond the reach of students' budgets, so the initial hardware deployment in 1985 established a number of university-owned "clusters" of public workstations in various academic buildings and dorm < 1286591992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :itories.]] < 1286591996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Wikipedia, "Andrew Project" < 1286591998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUR HUR A PUN < 1286592001 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are Wikipedia < 1286592002 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are series < 1286592003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*serious < 1286592005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet we pun < 1286592006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subtly < 1286592008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laugh < 1286592176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: interestingly Athena is accessible from outside MIT... < 1286592185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "prime" interface to that is MITnet, which is a dialup link :-) < 1286592188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but they have telnet now...) < 1286592189 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mit campus map page is a google maps page with an "MIT" button menu < 1286592199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Does rms still not have a password? < 1286592199 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: they have a pdf of some sort i think < 1286592205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: does rms still have an account? < 1286592206 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....that does NOTHING when clicked < 1286592208 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the more pertinent question < 1286592229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yes. His office is still there, I'm pretty sure. < 1286592259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i forget, did he ever actually graduate < 1286592271 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: jesus < 1286592275 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: stupid question < 1286592276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He never *attended* MIT. < 1286592284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He graduated from Harvard and *worked* at MIT. < 1286592286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :untrue < 1286592287 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you get famous, you don't NEED to graduate. < 1286592288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Stallman then enrolled as a graduate student in physics at MIT, but abandoned his graduate studies while remaining a programmer at the MIT AI Laboratory.]] < 1286592298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grad student, then he gave up and decided to stay < 1286592299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay, he did actually enroll there. < 1286592309 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you do think sergei and that other guy graduated? they're still on leave < 1286592313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stallman abandoned his pursuit of a doctorate in physics in favor of programming. < 1286592313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While a graduate student at MIT, Stallman published a paper on an AI truth maintenance system called dependency-directed backtracking with Gerald Jay Sussman.[14] This paper was an early work on the problem of intelligent backtracking in constraint satisfaction problems. As of 2003, the technique Stallman and Sussman introduced is still the most general and powerful form of intelligent backtracking.[15] < 1286592313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The technique of constraint recording, wherein partial results of a search are recorded for later reuse, was also introduced in this paper.[15] < 1286592313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's still a research affiliate. < 1286592318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: shaddap :) < 1286592320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, you know what? < 1286592323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an easy way to find out < 1286592334 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i'm srs < 1286592335 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://adminsr.com/blog/?p=201 < 1286592337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S SSH TO MIT < 1286592338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: okay :P < 1286592348 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! < 1286592359 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and MIT dungeon doesn't even contain a dungeon to speak of < 1286592360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,keyboard-interactive). < 1286592362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRAT < 1286592363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOILED AGAIN < 1286592371 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure the name is a nod to dungeons and dragons instead < 1286592378 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gssapi-with-mic < 1286592382 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*brain axplote* < 1286592388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: okay that works with the kerberos login < 1286592392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I VERY MUCH doubt rms has a kerberos login < 1286592394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least an active one < 1286592398 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait where was d&d invented < 1286592428 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FIRIEST PITS OF HELL < 1286592439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: gary gygax's anus < 1286592443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRUE FACT < 1286592446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said. < 1286592450 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: yes but < 1286592457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to just be < 1286592459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in his head < 1286592464 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEED lATLONG < 1286592465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere particular < 1286592496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: (3+sqrt(2)i, pi+sqrt(0)^sqrt(a bit of abcesses) + not i, that other one... a one who's name i have forgotten) < 1286592497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAVE FUN < 1286592525 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i no care if you have low opinion of it -- as a sociaL shift of sorts, d&d is significant < 1286592536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: stallman has like fifty honorary doctorates < 1286592537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and professorships < 1286592545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Recognition < 1286592547 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suck-up bitches < 1286592554 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whAt? < 1286592556 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: did i ever say i had a low opinion of it < 1286592557 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH RIGHT < 1286592560 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :communism < 1286592560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never even played d&d < 1286592561 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1286592566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think cpressey is drunk again < 1286592571 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEE < 1286592586 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also pizza! < 1286592589 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm < 1286592611 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the 1 hand typing < 1286592647 0 :jomjome!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286592729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love to play around with an athena box, just to see how fucked up it is < 1286592738 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could put all sorts of Athena-virgin related puns here, but i won't < 1286592815 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: appreciated. < 1286592825 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: btw: J R R Tolkein. Discuss. < 1286592868 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, don't. < 1286592879 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never read his books, myself. < 1286592883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: a man. he said too little with too much and was a racist. despite that, < 1286592889 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still feel like i should read the lord of the rings. < 1286592916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have read the beginning of /The Fellowship.../. it was far too verbose. < 1286592919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i could get used to it. < 1286592927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... < 1286592943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i wanted to read something really long, there are like fifty things above it on my list :) < 1286592949 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tried to have us read /The Hobbit/ in 7th grade English class. Then we stopped. I usually assume someone's parents complained about SATANISM IN THE SCHOOLS. < 1286592955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the films. of course they must be terrible adaptions. < 1286592957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're still good. < 1286592988 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in today's world where fantasy is so... laughable, and with the canon of the films in my head, it'd be hard to take things seriously < 1286593019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: speaking of things made up of a lot of words, have you read Infinite Jest? I mean to sometime. < 1286593022 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's C S Lewis. I have read his significant stuff. < 1286593030 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<*exasperated sound*? < 1286593032 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1286593039 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I have not. < 1286593062 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C. S. Lewis was a writer of Christian propaganda posing as bad children's fantasy. < 1286593081 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh Quebec Seperatism, just like Beautiful Losers. <*exasperated sound*> < 1286593081 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The best kind of propaganda) < 1286593085 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read all the narnia books when i was younger. i think i kept going because i knew they were meant to be *so* *great* < 1286593094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they all died and went to heaven with jesus the lion < 1286593099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ... they were not great, after all, in the end. < 1286593108 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: in a wonderful wonderful train accident < 1286593114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286593118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to imagine their mangled limbs. < 1286593133 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <alise> i like to imagine their mangled limbs. < 1286593136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ranks high up the list of Stupid Things to Say After Coming Out of a Mental Institution < 1286593137 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. kind of twisted. also, santa clause gave them swords and armor and shit in the first book. < 1286593138 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :237|<alise> i like to imagine their mangled limbs. < 1286593141 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*claus < 1286593195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Gravity's Rainbow! also made out of a lot of words. have you read it? i have not. < 1286593204 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286593207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS, BOOKS ARE MADE OUT OF WORDS, SOMETIMES A LOT OF THEM, WHAT IS THAT? < 1286593217 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I want to. ++ because Pat Benetar made an album with that name. < 1286593221 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIT ME WITH YOUR BEST SHOT < 1286593223 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :love the hair < 1286593256 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, so much I haven't read yet! < 1286593257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINNEGANS WAKE < 1286593261 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1286593262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made out of WAY TOO MANY WORDS < 1286593265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also haven't read it < 1286593271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE READ SURPRISINGLY LITTLE THINGS THAT I SHOULD HAVE < 1286593277 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fread Dante's Inferno, and Neechy's A.S.Z., this summer, so that's something. < 1286593288 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*read < 1286593293 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fread is for C programs. < 1286593302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Despite these obstacles, readers and commentators have reached a broad consensus about the book's central cast of characters and, to a lesser degree, its plot." < 1286593307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we know who the characters are! < 1286593324 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, also I have seen the Catch-22 film, but not read the book. Also, < 1286593343 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cat's Cradle - Vonnegut < 1286593354 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it has its cult following, who knows if it's *actually* good. < 1286593363 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, SIASL has it's cult following too. < 1286593372 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when I was a teenager, I was all, "Wow! Grok! Heh" < 1286593374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vonnegut is cool. would like to read. haven't. hmph < 1286593375 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really < 1286593380 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the catch-22 book is good, sez friend < 1286593382 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon < 1286593395 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :define siasl < 1286593397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the home of the Southern Illinois Adult Soccer League (SIASL). We are the only coed adult soccer league in the Marion/Carbondale area. < 1286593402 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stranger in a Strange Land < 1286593406 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA < 1286593420 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love internet acronym pollution < 1286593430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like heinlein a bit... but not too much < 1286593444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fine line between something and libertarianism < 1286593447 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stranger in a Strange Land, Robert Heinlein, Michael Valentine Smith, Water Brother, Grok < 1286593466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he coined grok, if you didn't know < 1286593473 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone says grok. < 1286593484 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. < 1286593531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's become assimilated since the 60s dude :P < 1286593546 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and completely watered down, was my only point < 1286593557 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, sass < 1286593563 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's underused. < 1286593588 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, what else of good books? ... < 1286593613 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drawing a blank < 1286593626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOKS SUCK < 1286593632 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is that < 1286593663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh - A Clockwork Orange -- the book is very good -- you can tell it was written by a composer < 1286593691 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logan's Run -- the movie is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than the book -- the book is incompreh. and pretent. < 1286593704 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /mode wooster < 1286593739 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, watch Logan's Run and read A Clockwork Orange, NOT the other way round < 1286593751 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, huh. < 1286593804 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Waldo" by Robert Heinlein and "A Logic Named Joe" by.... uh... Murray Leinster < 1286593837 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, movies. < 1286593848 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amelie, actually, was very good < 1286593870 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRON, the original. I refuse to participate in any remake hype < 1286593894 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Overdrawn at the Memory Bank" predates the Matrix by, I dunno, 2 decades < 1286593894 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2001: A Space Odyssey < 1286593909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- err didn't notice any of this < 1286593918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind incompreh. and pretent. :) < 1286593936 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah. it's like, watch the movie AND read the book, for that one, to get the whole picture < 1286593947 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: In the opposite order though. < 1286593950 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though the book and the movie are set in the orbit of different fuckin planets < 1286593953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: scifi! always the destination when you run out of GOOD books < 1286594019 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you don't mind slogging through works that are incomprehensible and pretentious? OR you don't mind me making abbrevs. for those wo.? < 1286594028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former < 1286594033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as they're amusing in some way < 1286594052 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is the Wooster thing. Also, Wodehouse is cool. Like Douglas Adams of the 20's. Anyway) < 1286594076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIFI < 1286594076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go < 1286594084 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I really can't recommend the Logan's Run book. But, you know, I guess, I managed to finish it, unlike say Millenium < 1286594086 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isaac Asimov < 1286594091 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Movies are so much easier to finish < 1286594109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: duh < 1286594112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean everything else < 1286594117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh indeeeeed! :P < 1286594128 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asimov: short stories. The whole Foundation thing? Interesting idea but I CANNOT READ THAT MUCH EXTRAPOLATING THAT IDEA. < 1286594160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, I must say: A Logic Named Joe. That is a beautiful story. By an almost unknown author. < 1286594184 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stanislaw lem, i want to read Solaris, just haven't got around to it! mrf! < 1286594187 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read it for the first time, on a plane, while I was on my way to an internship at a large dotcom search engine company. < 1286594189 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect, of course < 1286594192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you can stomach it) < 1286594200 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it was kind of hyperappropriate < 1286594211 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I've heard of im < 1286594224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://www.kuro5hin.org/prime-intellect/mopiidx.html < 1286594224 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intriguing, although not sure what to make of it < 1286594229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is good (and not very long) < 1286594240 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH HA HELLO AGAIN KURO5HIN ARE YOU STILL AROUND HA < 1286594242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, uh, yeah, there's sort of zombie rape-torture in the first chapter < 1286594248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does serve a plot-relevant purpose, but, you know < 1286594251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still have to read it < 1286594263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well it was published on kuro5hin in 2002 < 1286594265 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm not mistaken that's some kind of amplifier < 1286594269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when it was actually any good :) < 1286594274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's meant to look like a moth < 1286594291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evidence: "mopimoth.gif" and he calls it the moth graphic or something on another page of the site < 1286594332 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286594353 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286594451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh and everything Sam Hughes has ever written < 1286594452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1286594461 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1286594477 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that guy? < 1286594510 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that other guy. < 1286594515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: qntm.org < 1286594522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may know him for How to Destroy the Earth < 1286594535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his two novels are the Ed stories and Fine Structure < 1286594543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have read the former twice and am in the stalled process of reading the latter < 1286594561 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know him from his blog posts rather than his fiction < 1286594586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but his blog posts are just about drinking to excess according to various rules about which drinking establishments you go to! < 1286594663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they? i thought they were about random inconsquential CS theory shit < 1286594674 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alTHOUGH < 1286594677 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on inSPECTION < 1286595667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD DAMMIT WINDOWS THE DISK IS IN THE FUCKING DRIVE STOP SUCKING < 1286596527 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology genius < 1286596544 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon HackEgo < 1286596544 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius \ late 14c., from L. genius "guardian deity or spirit which watches over each person from birth; spirit, incarnation, wit, talent," from root of gignere "beget, produce" (see kin), from PIE base *gen- "produce." Meaning "person of natural intelligence or talent" first recorded 1640s. \ \ genial \ 1560s, from < 1286596547 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1286596558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`etymology hack < 1286596564 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hack (1) \ in O.E. tohaccian "hack to pieces," from W.Gmc. *khak- (cf. O.Fris. hackia, Du. hakken, O.H.G. hacchon), perhaps infl. by O.N. hggva "to hack, hew," from PIE *kau- "to hew, strike." Sense of "short, dry cough" is 1802. Noun meaning "an act of hacking" is from 1836; fig. sense of "a try, an attempt" is first attested < 1286596730 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :höggva < 1286597238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, it seems what the problem is is that the Windows installer *sometimes forgets to install half the network stack*. < 1286597314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :D < 1286597319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think it's rather that it's not on the CD. < 1286597321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't get it to install. < 1286597336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I've had the same problem with two different install media. < 1286597348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And it apparently *just happens on some systems*. < 1286597372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, Windows 95 has a braindead installer bug. < 1286597402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAWL < 1286597409 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start me up! < 1286597694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. There are plants that do not need sunlight at all. < 1286597721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Indian_pipe_PDB.JPG Yes, that is a *plant*. < 1286597836 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm... that's.... ok < 1286597893 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm a plant, but the whole plant schtick, no, i don't play that way." < 1286597930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's parasitic upon the mycorrhiza in the roots of a nearby tree. < 1286598263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAME THEORY ADMIRAL: http://imgur.com/oYeTa.jpg < 1286598273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's zero-sum! < 1286598283 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1286598329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, cpressey, whoever: http://codu.org/tmp/zee1-2010-10-08.ogg zee1, now with FLAVOR! < 1286598391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Insufficiently FLAC < 1286598461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, have you considered going back in time and doing some NES composition? < 1286598471 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uploading a FLACcid one will take a while :P < 1286598481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My time machine is broken. < 1286598482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLACcid; nice. < 1286598496 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can still do chip tunes. < 1286598536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially for the NES or SNES; their sound chips are emulated as accurately as is possible. < 1286598583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, well I only want to do chip tunes for the MSX, NeoGeo and Sega Saturn! < 1286598608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSX and NeoGeo ought to be feasible. < 1286598614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does anybody even *care* about the Saturn? < 1286598635 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone own a Saturn? :P < 1286598636 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. < 1286598644 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I SAW A LOT OF COMMERCIALS < 1286598644 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they sold about four :P < 1286598651 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :During winter '96 < 1286598652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was apparently popular in Japan. < 1286598653 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAAAAN < 1286598659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came out in '94. < 1286598661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1286598679 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And released a bit before the Playstation. < 1286598684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINEFINE < 1286598692 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write chiptunes for the Sega 32X. < 1286598696 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playstation, very arguably, won. < 1286598717 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Not "arguably". < 1286598747 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you can find some property by which Playstation didn't win :P < 1286598749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Playstation was the first console to sell 100 million units. < 1286598751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286598756 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit {0...inf} arguably < 1286598777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, it didn't win against the Playstation 2. < 1286598812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best-selling console ever, and it's *still selling*. Jeeze. < 1286598821 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have good memories of the Playstation [1], actually. < 1286598840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PS1 had many a good game. Though much of it has aged rather poorly. < 1286598855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Still selling" isn't much of a statement, really. < 1286598858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The Genesis is still selling in some markets. < 1286598858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike SNES games, for instance, which I could believe came out *yesterday*) < 1286598860 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomb Raider 2. Cool Boarders 2. Twisted Metal 2. < 1286598875 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PARAPPA THE RAPPER < 1286598884 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only sequels are good :P < 1286598892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Until last year it was outselling all other home consoles, IIRC. < 1286598911 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sequal to Parappa sucked, but otherwise, I agree: there is a Version Two Phenomenon at play. < 1286598918 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe year before that. Anyways. It's still absurd. < 1286598928 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The sequel to Parappa the Rapper? You mean DDR? < 1286598934 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "sucked" is too hard, but. Not as good. < 1286598942 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, IIRC there was a Parappa 2. < 1286598943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Here, have your FLACcid zee1: http://codu.org/tmp/zee1-2010-10-08.flac < 1286598945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's still selling well in pretty much all markets, though. < 1286598949 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: HELLO WELCOME TO JOKES < 1286598957 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OHAI FUCK YEAH < 1286598965 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: \o/ < 1286598965 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1286598965 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        >\ < 1286599003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda amazing the Genesis is still being made, though. < 1286599072 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: still.. being... < 1286599100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Yes. < 1286599103 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's alcohol-infused brain struggles to process this < 1286599215 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am so out of touch with the console world, it seems. < 1286599231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can go into a store and purchase a Sega Genesis. < 1286599245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, you'll have to hunt in the US; it's sold domestically, but not commonly.) < 1286599266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY GAMES < 1286599271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> Kinda amazing the Genesis is still being made, though. < 1286599272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286599272 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got that far < 1286599286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You can go out and buy a BRAND NEW Sega Genesis. < 1286599296 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it feels like i'm high, am i high? < 1286599304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thought of Rocket Man, so yes, yes I am < 1286599308 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sehhh-Gahhh" < 1286599312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/GenesisFirecore.JPG You can find this in stores right now. < 1286599312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sega Genesis, a video game console < 1286599312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genesis (magazine), a pornographic magazine < 1286599320 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :juxtasuppository < 1286599330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supposition...tory < 1286599346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: psht, FIRECORE < 1286599349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want ... water...core < 1286599359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incompatible with the Sega CD, Sega 32X, and the Power Base Converter, but *it's a freaking brand new Sega Genesis*. < 1286599403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genesis does... < 1286599404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286599405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286599405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1286599407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1286599407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286599411 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sonyn't < 1286599420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs < 1286599431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Nintendon't. < 1286599435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SONYN'T < 1286599451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a shame they stopped making the SNES 7 years ago. < 1286599461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286599463 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286599471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am hallucinating your words < 1286599475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the number that looks like 7 here < 1286599481 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that. < 1286599488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discontinued < 1286599488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JP 2003[1] < 1286599488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NA 1999[2] < 1286599489 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003 < 1286599495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well more like eleven here < 1286599497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1286599498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtfff < 1286599515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That same year they stopped making the NES. < 1286599516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone ever use a nes emulator called nesticle? < 1286599518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Famicom. < 1286599523 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Nesticle sucks ass. < 1286599525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: But yes. < 1286599526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i tried... once < 1286599526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1286599529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the cursor < 1286599534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will always stick in my memory < 1286599540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BLOOD oh the blood < 1286599547 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also tried something called "DarcNES" < 1286599549 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AH HA PUN < 1286599569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find your inner hobbitnes with HobbitNES < 1286599574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ness < 1286599577 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the FreeBsd 4.X days < 1286599585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SU PER FA MICOM < 1286599595 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I HAD ONE (briefly) < 1286599603 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :picked up at the SPCA thrift store < 1286599614 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :played a friend's supernes cart < 1286599651 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also picked up a... something too fucking obscure for me to remember < 1286599691 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, it was like an Oddessy^2 in its obscurity, what was it? < 1286599731 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it had "system" in its name < 1286599776 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console goddamn WP I hate you I love you < 1286599796 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TurboGrafx THAT WAS IT < 1286599816 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TurboGrafx-16 HOLY FUCKING OBSCURE. < 1286599823 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HaHAAAA TurboGrafx < 1286599836 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PC Enginge" is even less obscure, and that was the Japanese version < 1286599848 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got it to boot up. < 1286599851 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, cpressey, pikhq, whoever: http://codu.org/tmp/zee5-2010-10-08.ogg zee5, now with FLAVOR! < 1286599857 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No carts! < 1286599878 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOA < 1286599913 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zee5, now with gnarly visualization, presumably because ubuntu has decided firefox should do that now ok < 1286599943 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said. < 1286599951 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flavor. < 1286600107 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also crashing < 1286600118 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAVOR < 1286600226 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mattel Electronics sold the rights for its Intellivision system to the INTV Corporation, who continued to produce Intellivision consoles and develop new games for the Intellivision until 1991." < 1286600275 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!open < 1286600284 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh open < 1286600310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zee5 rules < 1286600318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first minute anyway < 1286600354 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have downloaded, still trying to play in a way that doesn't gefuck my system < 1286600380 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAWL < 1286600384 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eRR < 1286600391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wHY IS MY CAPSLOCK ON < 1286600398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT CAPSLOCK ALWAYS < 1286600424 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE-CONTROL FOR COOL < 1286600429 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRASH BANDICOOT, SPYRO THE DRAGON < 1286600526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY I HEAR Z5 nOW < 1286600544 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always liked this one anyway < 1286600563 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that fixclip thing may not be the one that comes with audacity w/e < 1286600575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what was it pre-flavour? soundfont? < 1286600597 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The only difference is adjusted volumes and panning. < 1286600608 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just makes it feel more ... complete. < 1286600632 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286600641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2391 for tomorrow < 1286600697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes y|" useless use of yes' argument award < 1286600702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes(1)'s, whatever < 1286600703 0 :wareya!~wareya@74.70.142.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286600727 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gehhh < 1286600751 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286600768 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall make concessions to the sucky OS, and in doing so, shall be considered cool < 1286600808 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wut < 1286600819 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ltu article? < 1286600822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about hardware, not the os < 1286600843 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall make concesions to the sucky hardware, then! < 1286600848 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All glory to my algorithm! < 1286600850 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G'narrrrr < 1286600863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: erm < 1286600868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these issues are pretty fundamental < 1286600881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're just looking for something to complain about :) < 1286600903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not complaining < 1286600915 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286600919 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My interests do lie elsewhere, though < 1286600921 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://codu.org/tmp/zee5-2010-10-08.flac zee5, now with IMPOTENCE! < 1286600984 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: As I've mentioned before: give me an OS that will send my process a signal "I'm about to page you out! Is there any memory you could do without?" -- then let's talk < 1286600998 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of no such OS currently < 1286601027 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooperation between different levels of the hierarchy is fucking almost nonexistent < 1286601083 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus, Windows 7 and the CD-ROM... no, let's not even go there. I guess I should just be happy that the audio isn't done with A WIRE TO THE SOUND CARD anymore. < 1286601111 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, zee5 is looping and i'm not even noticing < 1286601127 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ... really? What player do you have that loops seemlessly without asking it? :P < 1286601151 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: um... "Totem Movie Player" apparently < 1286601167 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, *seamlessly < 1286601350 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Eightebed, IE8, etc has made me think about how memory leaking is pretty much unvoidable (not that I"m giving up -- just re-contextualizing the problem -- you cannot trust programmers to get anything right, I'm afraid.) < 1286601372 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarbage colleeeeeeeeection :P < 1286601372 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many many Java programs have shit memory management characteristics, GC or no GC. < 1286601383 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's not enough, sadly. < 1286601393 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I GFORGOT TO WEAK MAH POINTERS FUCK < 1286601397 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough, you have to have non-stupid programmers too. < 1286601405 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, solve the problem by buying more memory. < 1286601412 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's worked for CPU's 'til 2008 ;) < 1286601415 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286601427 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I used to HATE that thought. Now... well I still do but... fuck, I dunno. < 1286601433 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRINK IS THE ONLY SOLUTION < 1286601457 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put your brainpower into the more useful problem of programming models for parallelism that aren't totally unusable. < 1286601472 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also still grit my teeth at the sound of the phrase "Boehm conservative collector", but... < 1286601525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what happened in 2008? < 1286601535 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The childish, innocent part of me keeping wispering "program proving, chris... it's not just a pipe dream of dijsktra's, you know..." < 1286601542 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*keeps < 1286601566 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we had feasible, workaday tools for proving, like we do for unit tests... < 1286601576 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm approximating the point where all energy started going into making more cores, rather than faster CPUs. < 1286601599 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good god, but programmers would have to *reason*. Well, argh, they *do*, kinda, but, also SO NO. < 1286601602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 2006-7 < 1286601612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1286601617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you're right < 1286601622 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All energy" < 1286601627 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this 1.33ghz proc is zippy < 1286601629 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "the first little bits" < 1286601629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286601671 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a prof, around 2008, who was very smart about the whole Moore's Law thing. < 1286601694 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moore's Law is something you see when your technology hasn't come near the limit of its potential yet. < 1286601722 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mid-oughts is where we started to see silicon IC technology come near the limit of its potential. < 1286601740 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1286601742 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all the effort started going towards "How can we parallelize" < 1286601744 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we're all fucked. < 1286601749 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's how! < 1286601750 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And GUES WHAT? < 1286601765 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can't! < 1286601776 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How can we parallelize?" as a research question, is prit' near ISOMORPHIC to "Is P = NP?" < 1286601818 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P = NC, actually ;D < 1286601821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1286601846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1286601847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1286601849 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh fine, bring Nick into this :) < 1286601850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286601868 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still an incredibly hard, unsolved problem, of course) < 1286601891 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I attended the university he was a Prof at for a long part of his career, but was too late -- he moved to some uni in the US by the time I was there. < 1286601907 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286601912 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was there, there was almost *no one* there in theory or languages, in seriousness. < 1286601919 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was sad. < 1286601947 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, a few good people, in other areas (AI and uh... hardware theory, I gues you could say.) < 1286601967 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is following lipton's blog and occasionally balks at the custom of calling TCS simply "theory" < 1286601998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in his last post, he even used it to _contrast_ with mathematics < 1286602011 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_- < 1286602205 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure I'd agree with the P=NC characterization of "the parallelization agenda", *but*, maybe. I don't know enough about NC. < 1286602308 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any rate: http://www.hotchips.org/archives/hc21/2_mon/HC21.24.300.ParallelComputingCenters-Epub/HC21.24.310.Patterson-UCB-ParLab.pdf < 1286602344 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is (not exactly, but close to) the paper the smart HW/CS prof had us read in my "advanced computer architecture" class, around 2008 < 1286602420 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep thinking, sadly, that there is no real solution. < 1286602428 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your problem is parallelizable: great! < 1286602435 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not: too bad. < 1286602449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and that triggered an Adobe Reader update. < 1286602456 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAYAYYA < 1286602480 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish I could find the actual *paper* instead of presentations based on it < 1286602525 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :About the same time, "Fortress" was hot, too < 1286602536 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god! This is only 2.5 years later, really < 1286602557 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It already seems like another internet generation has gone by < 1286602560 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is scared < 1286602575 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, but I'm still using the same chat protocol I used in 1995! < 1286602684 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought teh futar might be in photonics, but, apparently not, because they still require coherent light (lasers), which require quite a bit of power. < 1286602701 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they could be done with sunlight... < 1286602729 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still listening to zee5, looping!) < 1286602739 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphene will save us all! AUM! < 1286602774 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not to be confused with Grapheme." ty, wp < 1286602792 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there is also graphane < 1286602799 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that's just... a graphite sheet < 1286602865 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyo < 1286602905 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: and the star of this year's nobel prize in physics < 1286602935 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 2008 graphene produced by exfoliation was one of the most expensive materials on Earth, with a sample that can be placed at the cross section of a human hair costing more than $1,000 as of April 2008 (about $100,000,000/cm2).[10] Since then, exfoliation procedures have been scaled up, and now companies sell graphene by the ton.[16]" < 1286602941 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :economies are weird that way < 1286602975 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, you WANT this? well, let's start making it" < 1286602986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is such a thing is a digital speaker. There is seriously such a thing as a digital speaker. < 1286602992 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suddenly, you can afford it < 1286603006 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: digital in... what sense? < 1286603014 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows life in the esosphere, peeps < 1286603020 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything interesting going on lately < 1286603032 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: SPOLGRIFIC < 1286603040 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wossit < 1286603041 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each bit of the digital audio drives a seperate speaker. The LSB drives a very small one, and the size of speakers doubles for each next bit. < 1286603055 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Cute! < 1286603083 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286603094 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286603107 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :D < 1286603119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 16-bit audio reproduction, you need 16 seperate speakers... Starting with a 0.5 cm² driver would mean you would need a 3.2m² speaker system per channel. < 1286603142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhat impractical, sure, but hey. < 1286603147 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but i would bet the fidelity is totally worth it. < 1286603151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a digital speaker, and the term digital actually applies. < 1286603164 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not. but... well, i dunno. < 1286603196 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i am guessing it would be. < 1286603233 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that put a lot of stress on the highest bit speaker < 1286603239 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :driving all kinds of frequencies through 2 or 3 speakers, versus 16, each taking care of a relatively small slice < 1286603266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Not really. Each speaker takes a different *volume*, not frequency. < 1286603275 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If ... whoah ... if ... omg ... < 1286603287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why you double the size of the speakers as you go up. < 1286603292 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you actually did that, then moved those speakers away from each other. < 1286603292 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOAAAH < 1286603301 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, maybe the world IS still going. < 1286603306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only problem is that they need to run ultrasonically to avoid introducing *audible* artifacts. < 1286603307 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well yeah but it would have to change _very_ fast every time the total volume passed the 2^15 mark < 1286603312 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you see, i had half given up by now) < 1286603318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and they're expensive. < 1286603347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, as a function of the audio frequency. < 1286603372 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if they make them they have to work < 1286603426 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh well. for physical objects, yes < 1286603457 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i imagine the 2^16TWEETER is very small and delicate) < 1286603498 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286603564 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "if they made it, it has to work" does not in any way apply to processes that people come up with < 1286603570 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because OMG THE PAIN, you have NO IDEA < 1286603681 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286603729 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: \o/ < 1286603730 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        | < 1286603730 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :        |\ < 1286603736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonsense! now just let me finish this vacuum energy extractor and coffee maker i've designed. < 1286603750 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: not actually the case) < 1286603851 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err well "business" or "logistics" or "engineering" processes, anyway. < 1286603939 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1286603964 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Idea: Dynamically generate source code in C within the context of a Python or Ruby interpreter, allowing app to be written using Python or Ruby abstractions but automatically generating, compiling C at runtime" < 1286603969 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooooo 2008 < 1286604019 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok um internet generation span might be shrinking below ambitious-project-comes-to-fruition threshhold, danger will robinson < 1286604055 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack "Day changed to 09 Oct 2010" < 1286604073 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now everything i've just said is YESTERDAY'S NEWS < 1286604161 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ack, and i was going to work on my BOT tonight, too. < 1286604220 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1286604248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I especially like the U+F06F. < 1286604382 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ??? http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/f06f/fontsupport.htm Each one of those fonts renders it differently! < 1286604399 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am scared. < 1286604480 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"U+F06F is not a valid unicode character" < 1286604517 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life is good within the BMP. < 1286604521 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not leave the BMP. < 1286604548 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you leave the BMP, life is bad and they hate humens because they're from outer space and science. < 1286604595 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I take it you are *not* talking about Window BitMaPs. < 1286604598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You must be a language implementor. < 1286604620 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(most high-level languages for GOD KNOWS WHAT REASON handle UTF-8. But only the BMP.) < 1286604636 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, more bizarre, UTF-8. But with the UTF-16 surrogates. WHY GOD WHY) < 1286604682 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I do not understand any of it, except that you can sometimes bribe programs into making pretty symbols. < 1286604705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Educate yourself on Unicode. < 1286604740 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: And when you start thinking it seems slightly complex, educate yourself on the other character encoding standards. < 1286604763 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What's there to learn? I mean... no, I don't know what I mean. < 1286604769 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this point, I will be required to keep you away from weaponry for a few weeks, because you will be liable to wipe off a few nations. < 1286604816 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well see -- I am sort of preemptively at the point of "ooh, that ==> me ==> weaponry; best to go around it on tiptoe." < 1286604821 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Shall I point out the fact that Unicode is not a character encoding standard? :P < 1286604845 0 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286604852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The Unicode Standard actually includes character encoding schemes. The Unicode Transformation Formats. < 1286604860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah foo < 1286604867 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody uses "Unicode" to mean UTF! < 1286604868 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ONE < 1286604887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except sometimes the set of UTFs. < 1286604892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286604896 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ONE < 1286604909 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that (sigh. SIGH.) Python is fairly painless about "Hey! You said <gnarly symbol> in the program. You get <gnarly symbol> in memory (let's pretend, anyway.) And you get <gnarly symbol> on output. If you've set the env var correctly. And you're running a sophisticated enough terminal. So! That's that." < 1286604937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Python fucks up its Unicode support outside of the BMP. < 1286604956 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: perhaps I could downgrade "fairly" to "tolerably". < 1286604960 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, alternatives: Perl. < 1286604962 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the BMP-dependence has something to do with support for non-Unicode character sets ... < 1286604976 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby. (actually, i don't know how well Ruby does it.)( < 1286604990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nope. < 1286605019 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell: there is a UTF library which, my impression was, is tolerable, if you have it installed, dear god the packaging system well anyway < 1286605037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: GHC 6.12 has it "just work". < 1286605048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell maxBound :: Char < 1286605055 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know what you're all talking about < 1286605063 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah, I am currently at 6.8.something. < 1286605072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: wake up! < 1286605075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before that, it used Unicode strings internally but its IO routines assumed Windows-1252. < 1286605107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Actually, the BMP-dependence has something to do with broken handling of UTF-16. < 1286605114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo hi < 1286605131 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: what's up? < 1286605132 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: dead as a doornail < 1286605134 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They use UTF-16 internally. And then go on to assume that 2 octets = 1 Unicode codepoint. < 1286605136 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patience, it's creaky :P < 1286605150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ohhhhhhh. Of course. So stupid. < 1286605152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which is absolutely completely and utterly wrong. < 1286605156 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org = 386 DLX with 16M RAM < 1286605166 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Don't I wish < 1286605172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Money doesn't grow on trees! < 1286605220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aztecs had it _so_ much easier with money < 1286605234 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286605243 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk < 1286605250 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DEAD AS A DOORNAIL, I SAID < 1286605253 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1286605261 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell maxBound :: Char < 1286605265 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'\1114111' < 1286605266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Java uses "Modified UTF-8". Which is UTF-8 with *surrogate pairs* and encodes U+0 as 0xC0 0x80. < 1286605286 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286605293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so does Tcl. < 1286605301 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modified: For flavor! < 1286605301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For *external data*. < 1286605313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surrogate pairs. WHY OH WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT YOU MORONS < 1286605357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to blame whoever invented surrogate pairs instead of just deprecating UCS-2, mmkay? < 1286605378 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org ??? < 1286605387 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org solves all problems. < 1286605391 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org is the King. < 1286605394 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org is The One. < 1286605398 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I thought UTF-16 *was* two bytes per code point o_O < 1286605426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO AND DID I MENTION NO < 1286605426 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: It is within the BMP, but Unicode extends up to ... 21 bits? < 1286605427 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly are you arguing about, inferior Unicode support for various languages?? < 1286605447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: UTF-16 is two or four bytes per code point. < 1286605472 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, I am confused, there are too many variants < 1286605478 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4 vs. UTF-16 ??? < 1286605489 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOT DAMN. The midwest is the birthplace of Dungeons & Dragons. Gary Gygax was born in Chicago and lived in Lake Geneva, WI, most of his life. < 1286605496 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4 is "write out 32-bit integers" < 1286605499 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4, AKA UTF-32, is 4 bytes per code point. Always. < 1286605516 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-4 could also be called int * :P < 1286605519 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, this is so boringly technical ... seriously, guys, do any of you even speak / write any languages outside of the BMP ??? < 1286605542 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't speak/write any languages outside of ASCII. < 1286605543 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: はい、日本語で話す。 < 1286605555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, English doesn't fit in ASCII. < 1286605559 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't count if you don't know what it means ;-) < 1286605562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Naïve simpleton. < 1286605572 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't use diaeresis marks or ligatures! < 1286605578 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who does? :-P < 1286605586 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone on #esoteric ! Including me. < 1286605587 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I think "naive" is a French loan word < 1286605599 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? It still has a diaeresis mark. < 1286605604 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, Befunge-93 is blissfully ignorant of non-ASCII ;-) < 1286605609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Yeah, but the diaeresis is due to English orthography. < 1286605615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I speak Japanese. CJK is most of the excuse for Unicode. :) < 1286605615 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asciilish spoken here! < 1286605619 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which nobody uses < 1286605632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recently, maybe. < 1286605651 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Naive" is pronounced like "knave", "naïve" is pronounced like, well, "naïve" < 1286605655 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so what's the problem? Python, Perl, Java etc. all suck? < 1286605671 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, knave is pronounced like knave ;-) < 1286605676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Java is at least handling Unicode, just in a somewhat stupid format. < 1286605680 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naive is commonly spelled without special diacritics < 1286605694 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I'm being a sarcastic nitwit :P < 1286605704 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. 'cause no dern Americans, dang it, give a crap ;-) < 1286605713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is just *fucking retarded*. < 1286605792 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In its Unicode handling only, or does that extend to, say, its approach to variable scoping? :D < 1286605805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I make no judgements about the rest of it ATM. < 1286605813 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I hear ya. < 1286605826 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its variable scoping couldn't be worse than LISP Classique, BASIC or shell. < 1286605836 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But its handling of Unicode is more braindead than 30 year old UNIX programs that are perfectly happy so long as the string ends with 0x00. < 1286605875 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :u'' is just another crazy "hope it works" thing to throw on the fire, along with '', "", r'', r"", """""", r"""""" < 1286605894 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually PHP's handling of Unicode is pretty pragmatic. In that it's exactly as supportive of Unicode as C is: You get bytes, and if you want those to be in a format, you do that yourself. < 1286605919 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently Guido took a year to put Unicode into the language. A year. < 1286605919 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where "yourself" really means "with libraries") < 1286605945 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.0 was the first with Unicode, and that was ages ago (right?) < 1286605992 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 2.x is only guaranteed to be maintained for a few years (until 3.x kicks in ... though no mainstream Linux includes it yet, AFAIR) < 1286606025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Gentoo has both 2.x and 3.x installed side-by-side. < 1286606032 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/includes it/includes it as \/usr\/bin\/python/ < 1286606052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not by default, no. < 1286606060 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This Unicode module provides Unicode::String and Unicode::Character implemented by pure ruby based on iconv." < 1286606067 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see something like that -> I worry. < 1286606069 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I? < 1286606086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW: s|includes it|includes it as /usr/bin/python| you can use any delimiter. < 1286606099 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Using delimiters other than / is for PUSSIES. < 1286606108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "based on iconv" is hopeful. < 1286606114 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh, no, sometimes it's much easier to read < 1286606115 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconv does all character sets correctly. < 1286606130 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Really? OK, that is good to hear < 1286606160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, other pet peeves of mine: < 1286606168 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/python < 1286606170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only thing more pedantic is ICU. < 1286606172 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/lua < 1286606175 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/ruby < 1286606176 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great. < 1286606183 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/env python < 1286606185 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what version of the languages do you guys interpret? < 1286606190 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The latest"? < 1286606192 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic < 1286606215 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/env python, even better. setting myself for a path injection exploit < 1286606248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an exploit if the user can run your program ... < 1286606259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could just run it as .../whatever/python yourthing.py anyway < 1286606282 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only an exploit if the user can set PATH but not run arbitrary binaries, which is a bizarre situation. < 1286606287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: If you've got a malicious python injected into your path you're already fucked. < 1286606314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since that could be anything else injected as well. < 1286606321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(say, ls?) < 1286606360 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the latest" ... I don't understand, you mean you don't like having only one implementation?? or just the constantly moving target? < 1286606416 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the env thing might be a bit paranoid on my part, i admit. still -- i like to know WHICH binary it's going to run... < 1286606443 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they really are between a rock and a hard place ... wanting to abandon 2.x but can't force people < 1286606456 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for "the latest" -- I wrote my script for some version of the language -- can I not say "please interpret it with this version of the language"? < 1286606477 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Anyway, your versioned shebang idea is about as good an idea as symbol versioning in libc. < 1286606479 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only worse. < 1286606490 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And symbol versioning in libc is a friggin' terrible idea) < 1286606505 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286606518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286606519 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl has "require 5.005" or something, right? < 1286606522 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it could be an argument. like /usr/bin/foo --gte 5.0 --lt 6.0 < 1286606532 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Perl does have that. < 1286606541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Minor issue — people are morons. < 1286606548 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That would be tolerable I spose. < 1286606562 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's some way to detect at runtime the appropriate version, even if it's a lame workaround < 1286606591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl's actually got something vaguely reasonable. "package require Tcl 8.5" < 1286606593 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sucks is they implicitly seem to blame end users for not upgrading to 3.x < 1286606596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for that matter, an interpreter could interpret multiple languages. /usr/bin/mysuperwow --lua --version 5.1.2 < 1286606603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voila, you've stated that your program is expecting Tcl 8.5. < 1286606609 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, if they were standardized ... but they aren't < 1286606627 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need an ISO language then ;-) which will of course be horribly bastardized and shunned completely by everyone < 1286606637 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript! (Well, ECMA) < 1286606650 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, the only name worse than JavaScript is ECMAscript, sheesh!! < 1286606669 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ECMAScript sounds like something you need a prescription for, yes. < 1286606675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: C is an ISO standard. < 1286606685 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"EczemaScript ... try it today" < 1286606703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO-9899:1999 < 1286606711 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and you can test against __STDC__ (I think) < 1286606735 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pascal, Eiffel, Ada also have standards. But Perl and Python and Ruby probably never will. < 1286606745 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even REXX supports "parse version" to detect itself < 1286606755 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Perl 6 has a standard and no primary implementation. < 1286606765 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK well Perl 6 is a bit of a freak. < 1286606767 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge doesn't, but I wrote my own lame-o program to test that at runtime < 1286606780 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 6 isn't even finalized < 1286606795 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl 6 is, uh, MACHOWARE < 1286606795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Okay, okay, provisional standard. < 1286606796 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been in the works for quite a while, but at least Rakudo Star is semi-close to a stable release < 1286606827 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUGS is (I think?) abandoned < 1286606869 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript gets no love :P < 1286606879 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, my point was: there is a cultural divide here; Python and Ruby and such things don't NEED standards, thankyouverymuch. < 1286606903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I say this now, and tomorrow, someone is going to invent a standards track for Python. < 1286606904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does Ruby need a good implementation. < 1286606905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286606960 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ruby would be yet another obscure experimental gnarly language, were it not for Killer App Mr. Rails. < 1286606972 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I say this now... < 1286606973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rails sucks worse than Ruby. < 1286606990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But the demo! < 1286607018 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The sound of a decision being made on a questionable basis) < 1286607034 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need some form of compatibility or else it's one big nightmare to maintain anything < 1286607037 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Django. Nuff said. < 1286607042 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not standard per se, but something! < 1286607066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a simple policy for web frameworks. It must be at least as good as CGI in C. < 1286607069 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every point release in Ruby seems to break something (at least in theory) < 1286607081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a fairly simple lower bound, but *things fail at it*) < 1286607097 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: A de facto "only" implementation, is usually what. < 1286607102 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286607119 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is dumb, IMHO < 1286607130 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: I'm of that school of thought as well. < 1286607266 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything only gets more complicated, more bloated, never slimmer (except Oberon) < 1286607283 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even there, he seemed to almost remove too much :-P < 1286607340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember kids: the backspace key is the most productive key on the keyboard. < 1286607361 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHHHHHHHHH < 1286607437 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286607441 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^? < 1286607466 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to figure out Lua's unicode support (It... doesn't have any.) < 1286607525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that it's halfway to UTF-8 support. :P < 1286607528 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lua is extremely minimal in some ways < 1286607538 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not 10 MB Bzip's for a reason!! < 1286607622 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should sleep < 1286607627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the next... 12 hours. < 1286607648 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, it's only 1am here ;-) < 1286607694 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SLEEP DEPRIVATION SUCKS < 1286607697 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD NIGHT < 1286607705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :オヤスミ! < 1286607720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OYASUMI!) < 1286607908 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sushi yoshi < 1286607925 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tamagotchi matsumoto shigeru < 1286607933 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyundai toyota mitsubishi < 1286607993 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, who was it that was LLVM obsessed? fizzie?? < 1286608008 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody whined about a computed goto bug ... I assume that was fixed in recent release?? < 1286608134 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, cpressey, pikhq, whoever: http://codu.org/tmp/zee2-2010-10-09.ogg zee2, now with FLAVOR! (actually I think I made this one worse ... ) < 1286608267 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This one suffers most from the "disproportionately good piano soundfont" problem, so I had to do some tricks to make the piano less different, but I think that made things all wonky) < 1286608351 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: you're in my timezone! < 1286608363 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CST? < 1286608373 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286608376 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in Chicago < 1286608395 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit further south than you though < 1286608433 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the pizza's not as good ;-) < 1286608678 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"24 hours Gregor Richards Changed to GPL" ... heh < 1286608680 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286608689 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, don't let MS "EEE" your ZEE (or would it be ZEEE?) < 1286608689 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286609596 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, I read Herr Wirth call Lisp "esoteric" somewhere ... surely he didn't mean it in the literal sense that we know of ;-) < 1286609735 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286609854 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286609883 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. People call (parts of) Perl and Haskell "esoteric" all the time... < 1286609892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: Hi. < 1286609892 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Meh. < 1286609899 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: @foo = 99 < 1286609899 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: @foo set to 99. < 1286609907 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print [@foo] < 1286609907 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 99 < 1286609916 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND SO IT BEGINS < 1286609919 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I must sleep. < 1286609922 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night < 1286610073 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nitey nite < 1286610105 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let the compiler bugs byte < 1286610847 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ruby? < 1286611199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286611200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286611307 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrugs < 1286611881 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1286615066 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you basing any of this on??? < 1286616873 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286617290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, nice music! < 1286617536 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, a bit repetitive at times though? Probably fits the intended use of it though. < 1286617755 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I wonder how tricky it would be to generate the effects of a binaural recording on a computer? Perhaps on the fly. Would be interesting for 3D FPS games < 1286617904 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-157.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286618482 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seems it has been done to some degree in EAX and similar stuff < 1286619005 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1286620803 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286620813 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286621256 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-related_transfer_function < 1286621259 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286621269 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286622741 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286625274 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286625458 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286627218 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, indeed found that a while after I asked < 1286627333 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286627355 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286627594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl29-2-0-cust326.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286629519 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1286629530 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were those postulates of nakamura < 1286629534 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1286629547 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 'specialization' stuff < 1286629644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea. < 1286630174 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286630910 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was somethink like statement that one could specialize an interpreter and obtain compiler < 1286631655 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you mean use the SBCL model of compilation? < 1286631864 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286631885 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there was this japanese surname and cool explanation with pictures < 1286631892 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with tokens and meat mincers < 1286632166 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds cool < 1286632166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm? what is the SBCL model? < 1286632185 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I read that as "heat-related transfer function" and was like What? < 1286632238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, just that functions etc. are compiled at runtime. < 1286632352 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nothing is interpreted. < 1286632366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eval works by compiling a lambda and calling it IIRC. < 1286632388 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, like Factor, except in Lisp. < 1286632412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1286632418 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Factor. < 1286632445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: if can be defined in Lisp using only lambdas and macros. < 1286632475 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: You *may* be thinking of "partial evaluation": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_evaluation < 1286632499 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone named Yoshihiko Futamura did significant work on it. < 1286632584 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and no it is not Ruby but GreaseMonkey isn't here for me to inform anyway) < 1286632754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yoshihiko Futurama" was what I immediately read that as. < 1286632924 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm < 1286632937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I thought sbcl could compile statically as well? < 1286632943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I misremember < 1286632962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, "static compilation" is a rather misfitting concept in Lisp. < 1286633019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well. mostly because you can redefine a top level function anywhere < 1286633033 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, you could do it by using a lookup table for those < 1286633043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, exactly, the compiler needs to be available at all times. < 1286633081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not really, I think you could compile all code blocks, then have a function name → code block lookup table that could be changed at runtime < 1286633088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be quite a pain though < 1286633095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably would slow everything down a lot < 1286633132 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-103-64.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286633141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, iirc there is some scheme R4RS-minus-breaking-static-compilation implementation. Highly optimising, meant for number crushing < 1286633144 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crunching* < 1286633146 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the name of it < 1286633153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask alise, he told me about it < 1286633231 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you cannot do static compilation in Lisp, even with painful hacks. < 1286633267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider (eval `(defun foo () ,(read *stdin*)) < 1286633363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well, I think that one didn't allow eval < 1286633374 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it a whole lot easier < 1286633377 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme doesn't define an eval IIRC. < 1286633389 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed < 1286633405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme allows (define + -) or such though < 1286633419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which this implementation did not of course < 1286633878 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme exists in part because it does not define eval < 1286633886 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it would be JAL < 1286633892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just Another Lisp) < 1286633966 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't it without eval? < 1286633984 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because it's *Scheme*" < 1286634001 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distinction is less artificial somehow < 1286634312 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: @topic=assignment < 1286634313 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: @topic set to assignment. < 1286634320 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: help [@topic] < 1286634320 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: @a=1 [server-scope assignment] < 1286634382 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: @m=3 < 1286634383 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: @m set to 3. < 1286634389 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print [@m] [@m] < 1286634389 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 3 [@m] < 1286634638 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm, what language? < 1286634650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot, hi < 1286634650 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Meh. < 1286634657 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: help < 1286634657 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Help is available for: assignment print < 1286634660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: help print < 1286634660 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: print [@a] [send contents of @a to stdout] < 1286634665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print foo < 1286634665 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: foo < 1286634668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print @foo < 1286634669 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: @foo < 1286634672 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print @a < 1286634673 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: @a < 1286634677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhu < 1286634689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print [@foo] < 1286634689 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 99 < 1286634692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print [@jashdjas] < 1286634693 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1286634695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286634786 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot, whither storkbot? < 1286634786 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Meh. < 1286634904 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm making the language up as I go along < 1286635022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm, interesting approach. < 1286635141 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is sort of that the language and the IRC protocl overlap < 1286635155 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot, what manner of man are you? < 1286635155 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Meh. < 1286635188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, implemented in lua, with parsing implemented with lua pattern matching. real professional-like. < 1286635362 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, heh < 1286635384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, so CTCP ACTION will have some special meaning? < 1286635456 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might! < 1286635505 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i want to prevent it from being programmed to send absolutely arbitrary irc commands, though < 1286635542 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too easy to make botloops etc < 1286635630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot, print a\nb < 1286635630 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a\nb < 1286635640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, how does one escape a newline in a string? < 1286635648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot, print foo\nQUIT < 1286635649 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: foo\nQUIT < 1286635650 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one doesn't. yet, anyway < 1286635653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I wnat to do :P < 1286635656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want* < 1286637080 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286637273 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey_ < 1286637362 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1286637447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I was further considering Sierpiński numbers, and I realised that the trit-based scheme I had was /precisely/ equivalent to n-coin Hanoi. < 1286637775 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to them being called rings. < 1286637782 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or discs. < 1286637811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look at Mr Pressey with his fancy /rings/ for Hanoi. < 1286637846 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top hit for "n-coin Hanoi" is this Forth program: http://christophe.lavarenne.free.fr/ff/hanoi < 1286637852 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Google hit < 1286637927 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Use: to move one coin between two stacks, enter the name of the third stack; < 1286637933 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how very forthish < 1286638496 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286638568 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286638601 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : . < 1286638866 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :÷ WHAT I JUST DID? < 1286638882 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember posting null string < 1286639029 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.99.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286639227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:42:55 <cpressey> "oh, you WANT this? well, let's start making it" < 1286639227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:44:01 <pikhq> Each bit of the digital audio drives a seperate speaker. The LSB drives a very small one, and the size of speakers doubles for each next bit. < 1286639231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they any good, though? < 1286639241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:45:19 <pikhq> For 16-bit audio reproduction, you need 16 seperate speakers... Starting with a 0.5 cm² driver would mean you would need a 3.2m² speaker system per channel. < 1286639242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :P < 1286639264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:48:12 <Gregor> pikhq: If you actually did that, then moved those speakers away from each other. < 1286639265 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1286639271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just arrange them randomly around the room < 1286639497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:25:19 <Rugxulo> heh, this is so boringly technical ... seriously, guys, do any of you even speak / write any languages outside of the BMP ??? < 1286639515 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :entrant in my Most Xenophobic Comment of the Year award < 1286639634 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286639636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BMP? < 1286639765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google it :P < 1286639767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:34:20 <cpressey> "This Unicode module provides Unicode::String and Unicode::Character implemented by pure ruby based on iconv." < 1286639767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:34:27 <cpressey> I see something like that -> I worry. < 1286639767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:34:29 <cpressey> Should I? < 1286639770 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1286639774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby has native unicode support since 1.9 < 1286639776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a sort < 1286639786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you shouldn't need that, if it's a third-party lib < 1286639841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:42:02 <cpressey> Gregor: it could be an argument. like /usr/bin/foo --gte 5.0 --lt 6.0 < 1286639845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately there's a limit to shebangs < 1286639859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you'd get anywhere from --gte to --gte 5.0 being actually passed there < 1286639865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Google gives no hint as to what "BMP" means in that contexy. < 1286639867 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*xt < 1286639868 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though; definitely not the whole thing < 1286639870 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bmp unicode < 1286639938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:48:24 <pikhq> Nor does Ruby need a good implementation. < 1286639939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:48:25 <pikhq> :) < 1286639941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YARV is... decent < 1286639946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster than python iirc < 1286639966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:49:33 <pikhq> Rails sucks worse than Ruby. < 1286639966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Merb team took over the Rails team, so Rails 3 will be technically better, if not DHH himself ;) < 1286639976 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:50:37 <cpressey> Anyway, Django. Nuff said. < 1286639977 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1286639980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no. < 1286640080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:28:30 <nooga> there was somethink like statement that one could specialize an interpreter and obtain compiler < 1286640080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:40:55 <Phantom_Hoover> What, you mean use the SBCL model of compilation? < 1286640080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286640083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: i know what you are talking about < 1286640098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that is not what SBCL does < 1286640107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1286640127 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: nooga was talking about partial evaluation i'm pretty sure < 1286640132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286640133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1286640137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what he is talking about < 1286640140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have read a lot on the matter < 1286640145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are indeed such postulates < 1286640153 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Futurama's postulates? < 1286640154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://lukepalmer.wordpress.com/ <-- this guy did a lot on it a while back, search the archives < 1286640159 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286640163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286640166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like that, yeah < 1286640181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't recall the exact name < 1286640207 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: thx < 1286640266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear i will find those postulates :D < 1286640266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Futamura only has projections, not postulates, it would sem < 1286640268 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seem < 1286640297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S IT < 1286640305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_evaluation#Futamura_projections < 1286640315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lukepalmer.wordpress.com/?s=futamura < 1286640338 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yes: alise: nooga was talking about partial evaluation i'm pretty sure < 1286640345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is < 1286640348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not entirely that < 1286640349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's specialisation < 1286640351 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: thx! < 1286640356 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting blog btw < 1286640403 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://blog.sigfpe.com/2009/05/three-projections-of-doctor-futamura.html < 1286640408 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the diagrams of which you speak? < 1286640415 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yepp < 1286640418 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx guys < 1286640431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, luke palmer's music: http://hubrisarts.com/luke/Adagio.mp3 < 1286640442 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to show this to my friend < 1286640447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: his blog is awesome, disregard the personal whining < 1286640451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tech stuff is great < 1286640469 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: he has some actual work on specialising interpreters and stuff < 1286640492 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sheer size of Unicode amazes me... < 1286640516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planes 3-13 are unassigned. < 1286640539 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.sigfpe.com/2009/05/three-projections-of-doctor-futamura.html?showComment=1241544840000#c4193054871836213800 btw < 1286640542 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 11 * (2 ^ 16) < 1286640560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean ** iirc < 1286640562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1286640566 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no lambdabot < 1286640570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you'll have to ask for it again < 1286640576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286640638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Guy Steele said..." < 1286640643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from that sigfpe blog post < 1286640654 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the graph of 4-tower Hanoi looks like. < 1286640752 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:09:37 <Phantom_Hoover> Scheme doesn't define an eval IIRC. < 1286640753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:17:58 <cpressey> Scheme exists in part because it does not define eval < 1286640753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:18:06 <cpressey> Otherwise it would be JAL < 1286640753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:18:12 <cpressey> (Just Another Lisp) < 1286640756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: cpressey: you are both full of crap < 1286640758 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheme has EVAL < 1286640785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that RnRS didn't have it at one point. < 1286640820 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Although the three-peg version has a simple recursive solution as outlined above, the optimal solution for the Tower of Hanoi problem with four pegs (called Reve's puzzle), let alone more pegs, is still an open problem." < 1286640866 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... An argument could be made that it would be the Sierpiński pyramid, but that's evidenceless speculation. < 1286640899 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh, indeed it does, R5 at least < 1286640901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, R3RS doesn't have eval. < 1286640906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ignore todo < 1286640906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comparison with the dialect used in [SICP] < 1286640906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare with S&ICP: simple renamings like @t{print}; easily < 1286640906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implemented things like @t{cons-stream}; more grave and controversial < 1286640906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omissions like @t{eval} and @t{make-envi@-ron@-ment}. < 1286640906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@end ignore < 1286640925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or r4rs < 1286640929 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently things had it anyway < 1286640934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things = all things basically < 1286640995 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't have eval. < 1286641036 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the very least I've always perceived the Scheme community to be relatively eval-hostile. < 1286641146 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I suspect the presence of the word "optimal" there implies that there are multiple solutions when you have four pegs. < 1286641186 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that may not matter for you < 1286641198 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a graph of all moves < 1286641204 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's decidable < 1286641217 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....tkwim < 1286641223 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*y < 1286641671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twok < 1286641694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I propose we name the Sierpinski sections. < 1286641696 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up, left, and right. < 1286641699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or top. < 1286641701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or up. < 1286641703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, up. < 1286641715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how is that equivalent to hanoi? < 1286641719 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1286641750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: wut < 1286641961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: < 1286641965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centre :: Path < 1286641965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centre = U:L:R:centre < 1286641967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what point ist his? < 1286641968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is this? < 1286641971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually the centre < 1286642109 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, Mr Steele, pictures of pictures of things are isomorphic, for our purposes, to pictures of things < 1286642137 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it is the centre. just not the TWO DIMENSIONAL centre. < 1286642152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1286642154 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the three points on middle of the the inside of U, L, and R < 1286642160 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS MY CLAIM < 1286642170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm right i can see what it is < 1286642177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the left one inside the upper one? < 1286642178 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the whole thing < 1286642181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's at the rightmost edge of that < 1286642188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's not three points, it's one... fractal point. < 1286642192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinitesimally close to the hueg no-point space in the middle < 1286642192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1286642310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:56:24 <cpressey> (and no it is not Ruby but GreaseMonkey isn't here for me to inform anyway) < 1286642310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1286642441 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: GreaseMonkey thought storkbot (nee mzstorkipiwanbot) was running Ruby < 1286642512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286642515 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't see why Pic (in the comments of sigfpe's Futamura article) isn't a comonad; given a machine that turns a's into b's, and a picture of an a, we can build an a, feed it to the machine, get a b, and take a picture of it. < 1286642520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Should I give up on ddrescue or let this keep going? < 1286642547 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have missed something < 1286642566 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, no a -> Pic a < 1286642578 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no taking a picture of b < 1286642641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: for what? < 1286642671 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: ~/c=help < 1286642671 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ~/c set to help. < 1286642683 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: ~/t=assignment < 1286642683 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ~/t set to assignment. < 1286642688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: ~/c < 1286642688 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I have no idea what you're talking about. < 1286642691 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :racist < 1286642693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286642705 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: [~/c] [~/t] < 1286642706 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Assign a user-scope variable with ~/foo=1. Assign a server-scope variable with @bar=1. < 1286642735 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this language is crazy. < 1286642745 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what are you basing any of this on??? < 1286642761 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: didn't you ask that last night? < 1286642789 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "didn't you" is relative < 1286642880 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: that's... uh < 1286642896 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: you're prompting me to ask what "any of this" refers to < 1286642941 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: :) < 1286642944 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: thank you, by the way < 1286642975 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: goto goto goto print hi < 1286642975 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hi < 1286643031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: goto < 1286643031 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's wonderful for you! < 1286643035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: goto dengo < 1286643035 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I disagree! < 1286643044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: goto goto goto goto goto goat < 1286643044 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's wonderful for you! < 1286643048 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANGUAGE SUCKS < 1286643049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: CD < 1286643074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only real argument for keeping it going is "well, it's not like *I* need to do anything about it." < 1286643076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: something you can torrent? < 1286643090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1286643149 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: damn, do you not syntax error normally ever now? < 1286643149 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I disagree! < 1286643437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: check you can, do so, evaporate CD, inhale < 1286643445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consume content while high on COMPACT DISC < 1286643456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"720x400" Why would you do that to a 16:9 anamorphic DVD? < 1286643654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wonder if Usenet has any better shit than this torrent crap. (It may be faster, but... expiry and stuff.) < 1286643664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shitty crap crap shit. < 1286643715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So anyway: should I try and find that good 95? < 1286643722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Please do so. < 1286643743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall find some coffee. < 1286643751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.torrentz.com/5051d8aebaeb47e223869d656a83d07041adefc7 Your job is to figure out what PS means, and if it means it's worth downloading or not. :P < 1286643857 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pashto. < 1286643877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Indo-Iranian language; one of the two official languages of Afghanistan. < 1286643889 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's a damned fine idea. < 1286643892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The coffee, I mean. < 1286643918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what were you saying about Sierpiński stuff? < 1286643920 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess Pasto is an acceptable idea as well. < 1286643924 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Pashto < 1286643934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, no, that can't be it. < 1286643947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Pashto localisation of ANY version of Windows. < 1286643957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/95/ < 1286643968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's so terrible for an early comic but it's so funny...) < 1286643971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have no idea why < 1286643993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, well < 1286643997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Section = Up | Left | Right < 1286643997 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Path = [Section] < 1286644000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEAR GOD BROWSERS WHY DO YOU HAVE KEY COMBOS THAT KILL EVERYTHING < 1286644016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: < 1286644016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centre :: Path < 1286644016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :centre = U:L:R:centr < 1286644019 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*centre < 1286644022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Where's dat < 1286644044 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It spirals, presumably to a fixed point in the top triangle. < 1286644050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems so. < 1286644058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION renames to "foo" < 1286644068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: now we just have to write a program to plot these points. aieee. < 1286644084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The origin is orig = Up : orig in my scheme. < 1286644090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine too < 1286644092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U:topE < 1286644097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have left and right E < 1286644112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, if we say up = 0, left = 1, and right = 2, and it's represented as 1/n... no that doesn't work because of 0 < 1286644118 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at the same time we can't use up=0 and no 1/n beacuse then < 1286644122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*because < 1286644123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000n = n < 1286644124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grumble < 1286644128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the problem with this stuff < 1286644130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a different representation < 1286644182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcdsucks is over < 1286644301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh wait i have it < 1286644308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.[the infinite trinary string] < 1286644312 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, it is in the top triangle. < 1286644318 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1286644321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts with up :P < 1286644323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if up=0, left=1, right=1 < 1286644325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then this spiral path is < 1286644332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.012012012012012012... < 1286644362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, -- and let's see if i can get wolfram alpha to understand that -- < 1286644364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be something in decimal < 1286644366 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep thinking this is the chaos game < 1286644366 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it can also be extended to infinite fractal space. < 1286644419 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286644445 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewriting storkbot's language to be even stupider < 1286644455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sum n=2/3 to inf, (1*3^-(3n)) + (2*3^-(3n+1))" < 1286644456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahaha < 1286644465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in decimal, it's < 1286644479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1923076923....stuff < 1286644495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in binnyree: < 1286644505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0011000100111011000100111011000100111011000100111011000100111011... < 1286644525 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things this method can be generalised to: getting a nice R^n → R bijection. < 1286644530 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: now, coordinate 1/pi! < 1286644536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.02212100... < 1286644537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1286644542 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :up right right left right left up up < 1286644564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not seeing a particularly interesting coordinate there :D < 1286644573 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286644585 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so which point is 0 < 1286644591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: there is no such point < 1286644596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.00000000.... ? < 1286644596 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all points are infinite paths < 1286644598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = 0.000000000000000... < 1286644601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := the topmost point < 1286644603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the tip < 1286644607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topE :: Path < 1286644607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :topE = U:topE < 1286644616 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286644641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that hard to make a program to output this, if it's at a certain pixel size there's a point where you won't be able to follow the path further and get any more detail, since you're at the pixel level < 1286644648 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output the point on a rendered triangle that is < 1286644658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could even have a zoom :) < 1286644663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any finite path is *not* a point on the gasket < 1286644663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, lazy < 1286644677 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i knew that) < 1286644700 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but all the finite paths do refer to points on the plane < 1286644708 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, no < 1286644709 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not points < 1286644714 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :triangular regions < 1286644719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, no, points < 1286644722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're infinitely detailed < 1286644727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there ARE no points < 1286644728 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: finite paths < 1286644730 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "in the limit", as they say < 1286644733 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like U < 1286644734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well yeah but we don't support them :) < 1286644739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't distinguish 0.0 from 0.00 etc. < 1286644746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, they're not terribly interesting < 1286644753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infinite precision is what's interesting here < 1286644754 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, yes you can: U and U,U < 1286644762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but we're representing them as reals < 1286644765 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're well-defined, is all i was thinking < 1286644772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, U->0, L->1, R->2, put 0. in front of them < 1286644775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, coördinate pi! < 1286644776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :treat as trinary < 1286644780 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila, everything in [0,1] < 1286644782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it (0,1) < 1286644783 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1286644786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 0 is included < 1286644788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1 is two < 1286644790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1286644792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.222222222222... < 1286644797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leftmost is 1/2 < 1286644811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so our coordinates are all in [0,1] < 1286644827 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, we precede it with 0. :P < 1286644834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise U:n would == n < 1286644835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 0000n < 1286644838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := n < 1286644906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you can do things before the decimal point as well. < 1286644917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1286644921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't want to :) < 1286644928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0,1] is the bestest < 1286644934 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the abestosed < 1286644939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*asbestosed < 1286645079 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also thinking about arithmetic operations earlier. < 1286645134 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It involved Hanoi moves in a subtle fashion. < 1286645255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that I do not know what this subtle fashion was. < 1286645336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, indeed, is. < 1286645388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I can use the quadtree analogy for the complexes to help... < 1286645407 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, view a complex as a point in [0,1]^2. < 1286645419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1286645428 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We divide [0,1]^2 into 4 quadrants. < 1286645479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, Insane Clown Posse are evangelical Christians < 1286645485 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will the amusement ever end? < 1286645500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number in it can hence be represented as a string of quaternary digits, each selecting a subquadrant. < 1286645590 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 0.5+0.5i is therefore 0.2. < 1286645606 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*0.20000.... < 1286645641 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5+0.5i = 1+i, hence 0.2+0.2 = 0.333333.... = 1. < 1286645688 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1111111..... = 0.2, as well, which grates somewhat. < 1286645692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...aww, the Guardian are inaccurate again. < 1286645697 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They actually revealed that eight years ago. < 1286645707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Ronson's interview. < 1286645713 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Juggalos for Jesus < 1286645779 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I laughed at the bit where they're all looking at someone attacking "Miracles" and the article says "Violent J suddenly looks at me suspiciously. The woman in the video is bespectacled and nerdy. I am bespectacled and nerdy. Could I have the same motives?" < 1286645803 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG < 1286645814 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too am bespectacled and nerdy < 1286645821 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I hate journalists < 1286645825 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'I don't know how magnets work either,' I say, to relieve his suspicions." < 1286645876 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286645887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me that's real < 1286645893 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1286645899 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is the article but the relevant "song" came out in 2002 so, yeah: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/oct/09/insane-clown-posse-christians-god < 1286645900 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in this week's Weekend. < 1286645912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the article. < 1286645962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love Ronson's style with the crazy, since he's completely nonconfrontational, and as such they just make themselves look like even bigger idiots. < 1286645964 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Right now, they're gaining the trust of the people who think unscientifically. Then, they're going to reveal how magnets work." < 1286645978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--reddit < 1286646092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["A college professor took two days out of her fucking life to specifically attack us," says Violent J. "Oh yeah, she had it all figured out."]] < 1286646093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286646109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Goths don't do anything in the UK. They're a harmless and essentially middle-class subculture." — Jon Ronson, elsewhere. < 1286646128 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Did you know: not a single critic likes Insane Clown Posse? < 1286646129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, seriously. < 1286646133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1286646133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a *single* critic. < 1286646141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is nobody who is not a juggalo and likes them. < 1286646154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't even get a record label to tolerate them despite the gajillions of money they'd make! They have to self-release! < 1286646170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I figured most people would say, 'Wow, I didn't know Insane Clown Posse could be deep like that.']] < 1286646180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking magnets, how deep is this? < 1286646187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not fucking magnets in that way. < 1286646196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I did think," I admit, "that fog constitutes quite a low threshold for miracles." < 1286646197 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fog?" Violent J says, surprised. < 1286646197 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well," I clarify, "I've lived around fog my whole life, so maybe I'm blasé." < 1286646215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286646238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brits, aren't they great? < 1286646243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly he glances at me. The woman in the video is bespectacled and nerdy. I am bespectacled and nerdy. Might I have a similar motive? < 1286646243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know how magnets work," I say, to put him at his ease. < 1286646248 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you quoted that seconds ago < 1286646250 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exact quote from that article. < 1286646258 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, that was from memory. < 1286646261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286646261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't ICP specialise in sucking ass? < 1286646269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1286646271 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and fucking magnets. < 1286646274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They suck ass with a rota system. < 1286646280 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To fit all the ass-sucking in. < 1286646301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A giraffe is a fucking miracle. It has a dinosaur-like neck. It's yellow. Yeah, technically an elephant is not a miracle. Technically. They've been here for hundreds of years…" < 1286646304 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my favourite thing ever < 1286646316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ^^^ < 1286646317 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that article so much. < 1286646322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS THIS NOT THE BEST THING YOU HAVE EVER READ < 1286646325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They must also specialise in being stoned. < 1286646335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause that's the most high thing ever. < 1286646339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they smoke in that article. Who knows *what* they're smoking. < 1286646350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, it's just the most ignorant-evangelical-Christian thing ever. < 1286646366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently *99% of their albums pre-2002*, the ones in that series they did, carnival or whatever, < 1286646368 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well," Violent J says, "science is… we don't really… that's like…" He pauses. Then he waves his hands as if to say, "OK, an analogy": "If you're trying to fuck a girl, but her mom's home, fuck her mom! You understand? You want to fuck the girl, but her mom's home? Fuck the mom. See?" < 1286646369 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look blankly at him. "You mean…" < 1286646369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was all a set-up < 1286646370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get people < 1286646373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to believe in God < 1286646374 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: High, ignorant-evangelical-Christian... Same results. < 1286646394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What. < 1286646396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat < 1286646402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat < 1286646407 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what??? < 1286646410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what ^ < 1286646413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please decode < 1286646413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286646422 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it could conceivably be clever word play. < 1286646426 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/conc/inconc/ < 1286646435 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So, instead of fucking Feynman, we should fuck Jesus. < 1286646447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, no, other way round.. < 1286646447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAY NECROPHILIA IS BETTER THAN JUST BEING GAY < 1286646450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus is Feynman's mom? < 1286646456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING < 1286646477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Feynman is Jesus' mom? < 1286646479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus forgot to use immaculate contraception :| < 1286646483 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING < 1286646489 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEYNMAN IS JESUS? < 1286646493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS < 1286646493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPLAINS < 1286646495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING < 1286646506 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, Feynman is the Virgin Mary! < 1286646513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is also Jesus. < 1286646514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING! < 1286646514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And God. < 1286646526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Father, the Feynman and the Holy Ghost. < 1286646540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286646548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[A fucking elephant is a miracle. If people can't see a fucking miracle in a fucking elephant, then life must suck for them, because an elephant is a fucking miracle. So is a giraffe.]] < 1286646550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just amazing < 1286646569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Violent J shakes his head sorrowfully. "Who looks at the stars at night and says, 'Oh, those are gaseous forms of plutonium'?" he says. "No! You look at the stars and you think, 'Those are beautiful.'"]] < 1286646574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes. < 1286646579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaseous forms of plutonium. < 1286646585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pluto is made out of solid plutonium, obviously < 1286646600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That boy grew up to be Eminem and, incensed, he's been publicly deriding ICP ever since in lyrics such as, "ICP are overrated and hated because of their false identities". < 1286646633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what, Eminem is actually better than Insane Clown Posse. < 1286646644 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C'est impossible! < 1286646655 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Seriously. Think about it. < 1286646665 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286646669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["So all those unpleasant characters in the songs," I ask, "like the narrator in I Stuck Her With My Wang, they're examples of people you shouldn't be?" < 1286646670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Huh?" Violent J says. < 1286646670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, it's very unpleasant," I say. "'I stuck her with my wang. She hit me in the balls. I grabbed her by her neck. And I bounced her off the walls. She said it was an accident and then apologised. But I still took my elbow and blackened both her eyes.' That's clearly a song about domestic violence. So your Christian message is... don't be like that man?" < 1286646670 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Huh?" Violent J repeats, mystified. < 1286646672 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a silence. < 1286646674 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I Stuck Her With My Wang is funny," Violent J says. "Jokes. Jokes, man. Jokes. Jokes. Jokes. It's just a ridiculous scenario. Silly stories, man. Silly stories. What's she doing kicking him in the balls? We find it funny. But we're saying, while we're close, while we're hanging, hey, man, do you ever ask yourself what's in your riddle box? If you had to turn the crank today?"]] < 1286646675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if you really need convincing, listen to some ICP. < 1286646679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to post that whole conversation. < 1286646684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Stuck Her With My Wang :D < 1286646705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a great song title < 1286646711 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :We are doing science SO HARD right now! | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286646724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are SO HARD doing science right now! < 1286646746 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are SO HARD doing science SO HARD right now! < 1286646754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[["Like Stonehenge and Easter Island," says Shaggy. "Nobody knows how that shit got there."]] < 1286646761 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmhsouds like my gf < 1286646763 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALIENS < 1286646769 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just replace science with s... < 1286646793 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating < 1286646794 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmh, sounds* < 1286646795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I think if your girlfriend is getting hard you need to seriously ask her what genitalia she was born with. < 1286646807 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb < 1286646830 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Violent J turns to him and says, softly, "If we moved furniture for a living we'd have a bad back or bad knees. We think for a living. We try to create. We try to constantly think of cool ideas. And every once in a while there's a breakdown in the engine… I guess that's the price you pay." < 1286646830 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shaggy nods quietly. "I get anxiety and shit a lot," he says. "And reading that stuff people write about us… It hurts."]] < 1286646839 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1286646841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get ANXIETY AND SHIT! < 1286646862 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[He shoots me a defiant look and says, "You know Miracles? Let me tell you, if Alanis Morissette had done that fucking song everyone would have called it fucking genius."]] < 1286646921 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Jon Ronson look so... sinister? < 1286646937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He can't be sinister, he's British. < 1286646957 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/mr_ronson.jpg Just http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/mr_ronson.jpg < 1286646973 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at the EVIL in his eyes! < 1286647011 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's also hilarious, so I won't hold it against him. < 1286647090 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: FUCKIN' ALIENS < 1286647103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: How do they work? < 1286647138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2006/aug/05/familyandrelationships.lifeandhealth is more of the same kind of thing. < 1286647186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ronson meets nutballs, doesn't tell them they're nutballs, they look like even bigger nutballs. < 1286647241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The children nod. And the exercise in telepathy begins. < 1286647241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it gives me no pleasure to say this, but blindfolded children immediately start walking into chairs, into pillars, into tables.]] < 1286647323 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1286647326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to watch the video from that ICP article. < 1286647383 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-157.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286647462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I may have just found a build of Windows Neptune. < 1286647495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, you know, if you want to see Windows Me reimplemented on top of Windows 2000... < 1286647545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Wasn't Windows Neptune just the precursor to XP? < 1286647552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1286647560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But: < 1286647560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In early 2000, Microsoft merged the team working on Neptune with that developing Windows Odyssey, the upgrade to Windows 2000 for business customers. The combined team worked on a new project codenamed Whistler,[2][3] which was released at the end of 2001 as Windows XP.[4][5] In the meantime, Microsoft released another home user DOS-based operating system called Windows Me.[3] < 1286647569 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: tl;dr the teams merged. < 1286647573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah. < 1286647578 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1286647585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Some screenshots of note: < 1286647586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.digibarn.com/collections/screenshots/XP%20Neptune%20Build%205111/aneptunelogon.gif < 1286647589 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nunney.me.uk/images/neptune/neptune_7.jpg < 1286647601 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.digibarn.com/collections/screenshots/XP%20Neptune%20Build%205111/zneptunebugreport.gif < 1286647643 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2534/4110046261_b2285e6e8b_o.png < 1286647653 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, you know, if you want an ISO of that... :P < 1286647670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. < 1286647696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An observation that turned out to be prophetic. "From the very beginning of our music, God is in there," Violent J says, "in hidden messages." < 1286647696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can you give me some examples?" I ask. < 1286647696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a small silence. He looks torn between revealing them or maintaining the mystery. He shoots Shaggy a glance. < 1286647696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Riddle Box," he finally says. < 1286647697 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what's up, motherfucker/This is Shaggs 2 Dope/Congratulating you on opening/the Riddlebox/It looks like you received your prize/The cost, what it cost, was your ASS,/bitchboy!/Hahahahah! — (The Riddle Box, 1995) < 1286647710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses so damned much memory to link Chrome. < 1286647765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"95-vista.iso", 7 gigs < 1286647766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not want < 1286647786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 95 FULL < 1286647786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINDOWS 95 UPGRADE < 1286647786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINDOWS 95 OSR2 < 1286647793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only it wasn't on a 2 gig file in .nrg format < 1286647850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay: What about various versions of Chicago (95), Daytona (3.5), Georgia (ME), Memphis (98), Nashville (96!!!), Whistler (XP), Janus 3.1 *and* NT 5.0(!)? < 1286647878 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, though, no seeders :) < 1286647881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o < 1286647938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/184957413/?tab=summary < 1286648005 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what have you written for the Sierpiński numbers so far? < 1286648030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The structure and a few paths. It isn't difficult to plot a position to arbitrary accuracy, but I am lazy. < 1286648054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, did you like pre-2.0 Amarok? < 1286648059 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before they made it shitty. < 1286648068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was rather nice. < 1286648072 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://code.google.com/p/clementine-player/ < 1286648076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Amarok 1.4, for Qt 4. < 1286648080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actively developed. < 1286648081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tempting. < 1286648087 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, did you write the Real → Sierpiński injection? < 1286648088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quod Libet is still probably better but *shrug* < 1286648098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Umm, you can't really have reals in haskell. < 1286648101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have: < 1286648102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Section = U | L | R < 1286648102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Path = [Section] < 1286648105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where Path is assumed to be finite < 1286648107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's close enough < 1286648115 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to convert from a computable real to this: < 1286648119 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/in haskell/on a computer/ < 1286648121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure out the algorithm to produce the trinary digits < 1286648129 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 0 -> U < 1286648130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 -> L < 1286648131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 -> R < 1286648134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strip off the initial 0. < 1286648138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're done < 1286648144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so e.g. < 1286648145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: Path < 1286648146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo = U:L:R:foo < 1286648150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 0.012012012012..._2 < 1286648151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286648151 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_3 < 1286648163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, that's not the injection I had in mind. < 1286648177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? It works perfectly, and is easy to construct paths with. < 1286648226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I meant getting the path that leads to a point along an edge of the gasket that corresponds to the number in question. < 1286648241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You know what? I'm going to write my own fucking music manager. And I might add video support after that, too. < 1286648282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Huh? < 1286648284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: \o/ < 1286648284 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       | < 1286648285 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       |\ < 1286648304 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mainly it's just converting to trinary < 1286648321 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what i have is a representation of anything in [0,1] in trinary, yep < 1286648323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, anything computable < 1286648330 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 = U:0 < 1286648332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 = R:1 < 1286648337 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing mathematics SO HARD right now < 1286648339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(proof that 0.333..._3 = 1 :P) < 1286648348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Say. Is there a GTK binding for Tcl that exposes a Tk-like API? < 1286648361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I hope so. < 1286648370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tk has a great API, after all. < 1286648377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: TO THE TCL-WIKI-O-SCOPE! < 1286648408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, 0.333333...? Surely 0.22222.....? < 1286648414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YES YES SHUT UP < 1286648439 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 0.22222222.... isn't equal to 1 here, it's not on the real line. < 1286648471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Umm. It is equal to 1. < 1286648481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: TCL WIKI DOWN HALP < 1286648493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.111111.... = 1. 0.222222.... isn't. < 1286648505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286648509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.111111111111... = 1/2. < 1286648517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask Wolfram Alpha if you don't believe me. < 1286648523 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, are you talking about normal trits on the reals? < 1286648534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sum+n%3D1+to+inf,+3^-n < 1286648541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's *what my path is*, except not the reals, [0,1]. < 1286648550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, literally, every (computable) element of [0,1]. < 1286648564 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is [] and not () because x = R:x is equal to 1. < 1286648568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x = U:x is equal to 0. < 1286648572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x = L:x is equal to 1/2. < 1286648603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have 1 = L:1. < 1286648631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fix (R:) would probably be a complex, for reasons complex. < 1286648635 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ... really don't understand how trinary works. < 1286648636 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1286648641 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes I do. < 1286648645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286648647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you don't. < 1286648658 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that 0.22... = 1. < 1286648710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you think it's worth having my player be a client to a music daemon I write? (mpd and xmms2 are insufficient in many ways) < 1286648715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would allow nice plugin-y things. < 1286648822 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: If you can write a music daemon well, then yeah. < 1286648833 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can sure as hell flail around trying to. < 1286648852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1286648882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Behold the pure liquid insanity getting libavcodec and libao to talk to each other requires: < 1286648882 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nikolai.luthman.name/misc/queue.c < 1286648958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, .name < 1286648969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Grr, .name. < 1286648974 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that requires .name is already pretty insane :P < 1286648980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you register first.last.name, that means you can never, ever acquire last.name. < 1286648983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, nobody can! < 1286648986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1286648991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's... Moronic. < 1286648992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it expires. < 1286649017 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it implies that it is a website about a name < 1286649018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. I suspect that that is less insane than what it wraps. Sadly. < 1286649052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: TLDs don't work that way thank you. < 1286649075 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or located in a name < 1286649089 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLDs have no associated semantics. < 1286649103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except what IANA declares. < 1286649105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know! How about I do everything else and you do the audio code. < 1286649124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Whaaaaaa < 1286649128 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And IANA declares that .name be for personal names. < 1286649131 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's funnier if they do < 1286649179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes < 1286649192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: But SOUND IS HARD < 1286649208 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286649214 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SO IS UI DESIGN AND I'M DOING THAT PART < 1286649227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I got an ugly function working that kind of shows what I meant earlier. < 1286649241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay. < 1286649244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Show? < 1286649256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toSierp x = let x' = x*2 in < 1286649256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x' < 1 then T:(toSierp x') else L:(toSierp (x'-1)) < 1286649286 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes a real and generates the corresponding location on the top-left side of the gasket. < 1286649305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1286649308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1286649313 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that the stuff to work out the binary digits is horrible, don't mention it. < 1286649313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you forgot U < 1286649335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I made it "T". < 1286649343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1286649344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's R? < 1286649350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's silly, up/left/right are directions < 1286649353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :top isn't a direction! < 1286649365 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, true, but I view them as names for each section. < 1286649370 0 :storkbot!~storkbot@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286649374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than as directions in a path. < 1286649434 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now for the all-important decision; what language I'll use! < 1286649484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the reason R doesn't feature is because the function is meant to produce a location on the top-left edge. < 1286649512 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So using the path system, it should approach that edge at each iteration. < 1286649526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: @r < 1286649527 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: goto [@r] < 1286649532 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: goto [@r] < 1286649532 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Out of stack space! Well no, but I stopped it anyway. < 1286649627 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: [@r] < 1286649628 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Out of stack space! Well no, but I stopped it anyway. < 1286649769 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so mainly it just needs to convert to trinary < 1286649784 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :format, if you like < 1286649793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, no, it actually does binary conversion. < 1286649817 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because you've decided *part* of the gasket is good enough for you. < 1286649822 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286649837 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really am lost here. < 1286649840 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, in essence. < 1286649846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember how this started. < 1286649873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i think it's all he needs for hanoi or something < 1286649880 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to work out what set could come between R and C, which I concluded would be Sierp. < 1286649891 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, that. < 1286649905 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, Hanoi is just an incidental tool which aids perception. < 1286649908 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are happy with it being 2/3 of Sierp, then by all means. < 1286649924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, no, it's equivalent to how R lies in C. < 1286649996 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, you are not happy? or no, it is not Sierp? or no, it is Sierp, but modified to be equivalent to how R lies in C, for a better sense of betweenness? < 1286649996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do an R → Sierp bijection just as easily. < 1286650071 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286650076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a subset of Sierp that behaves precisely the same as the real interval [0,1] < 1286650137 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286650254 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: @r=[~storkbot/BRA]@r[~storkbot/KET] < 1286650255 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: [@r] < 1286650259 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: @r < 1286650259 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: [@r] < 1286650266 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: [@r] < 1286650267 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ?SYNTAX ERROR < 1286650278 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :storkbot: print [@r] < 1286650278 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: [@r] < 1286650291 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I vaguely hope that I can use it to get a sane definition of addition, but I'm not very confident. < 1286650291 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i do need the goto < 1286650359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I need suggestions for my music software kthx < 1286650368 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I am hopeful. < 1286650384 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, there is no hop! < 1286650400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henry Freeman must give me hop! < 1286650621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proto-plan: cat all the half-life full-life consequences video chapters together, submit to festival < 1286650643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which festival? < 1286650665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pick one < 1286650689 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286650718 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fringe! < 1286650765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Fringe < 1286650798 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'll walk down the Royal Mile dressed as John Freeman and hand out leaflets to all of those irritating gits who hand out leaflets! < 1286650835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking cannes < 1286650878 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henry who? < 1286650893 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't answer that. < 1286650994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: The main character of Halflife Fullife Consequences. < 1286651003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, *Halflife: Fullife Consequences < 1286651022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He lives up to his family name and faces FULL LIFE CONSEQUENCES. < 1286651033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A literary masterpiece. < 1286651035 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286651052 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, no, John Freeman is the main character. < 1286651056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1286651058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :henry is his brother < 1286651059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henry Freeman is his estranged son < 1286651067 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Gordon Freeman is his brother. < 1286651070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er right < 1286651071 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It truly is a literary masterpiece though. < 1286651073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLOT SO COMPLEX < 1286651083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he's tragically killed by Final Boss. < 1286651087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: However, the movie adaption is one of the few that is better than the source material. < 1286651095 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who hates humens because he's from science and outer space. < 1286651097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially Free Man. < 1286651099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a completely new story. < 1286651109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The emotion in that... what, five minute fight scene. < 1286651112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is immense. < 1286651129 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will watch it all again. < 1286651141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHxyZaZlaOs < 1286651141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we learn is that the only acceptable kind of science is the kind that makes guns < 1286651144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part 1! < 1286651161 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I totally think we should chop the title sequences off them all and put them into one video. < 1286651167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ready for cinematic release! < 1286651184 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aliens and monsters are attacking my place! < 1286651221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is sighing at our IMMATURITY right now :| < 1286651230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I love how realistically that train falls. < 1286651237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just sort of wriggles down off the bridge. < 1286651253 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watch. From. The. Beginning. < 1286651259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already watched it all. < 1286651264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just re-watching Free Man. < 1286651266 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1286651266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's the best part. < 1286651274 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE YOU ARE HEADCRAB ZOMBIE < 1286651349 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pants are dead! < 1286651360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still not sure what that Portal scene is all about. < 1286651370 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you have not answered my question < 1286651374 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or why making that shot flung John around the facility. < 1286651383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or why he falls upwards. < 1286651415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A rocket hit John Freeman but he got up" < 1286651556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way John Freeman Googles to find out how to kill Next Boss.. < 1286651728 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gordon is zombie goast! The emotional torment! < 1286651791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we ever find out what Tobe has done? < 1286651810 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a debated point. < 1286651975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was John Freeman doing between the end of What has tobe done and the end of Hero Beggining? < 1286652027 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm disappointed that the narrator didn't pronounce "Tobe" in "What has Tobe Done" as the name Tobe (short for Tobias) < 1286652030 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1286652049 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh n/m < 1286652065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: me too < 1286652074 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, we'll get back to science when we have faced FULL LIFE CONSEQUENCES < 1286652074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was like "YES THIS IS GOING TO BE HIL- darn" < 1286652095 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mom has dead! < 1286652417 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1286652476 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, culture < 1286652478 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1286652480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is TOO OLD FOR THIS < 1286652490 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably. < 1286652493 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is funny, but < 1286652503 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is terribly, terribly stupid. < 1286652508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1286652509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. < 1286652531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any questions? < 1286652540 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No questions. < 1286652543 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CARY ON < 1286652550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What has Cary done? < 1286652950 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the statue of John Freeman at the end. < 1286652988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did they steal that music from? < 1286653139 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one question actually < 1286653151 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't < 1286653275 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I do. < 1286653298 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fanfiction came first and is unaffiliated with the video production, correct? < 1286653317 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1286653318 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the fanfiction was not, in fact, written in jest. < 1286653325 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was, in fact, written in jest. < 1286653328 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although nobody knew that at the time. < 1286653330 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was? < 1286653332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except the writer) < 1286653345 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1286653345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The writer turns out to be a super-brilliant goon. < 1286653638 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286653649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Agnoistrology – the method by which one may make predictions, give advice, and reveal the dynamics of human relationships without actually knowing anything (very similar to astrology but devoid of any pretense)." < 1286653830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: PLAY VAGRANT < 1286653838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, where's the code? < 1286653852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ~/Code/vagrant/vagrant.py < 1286653859 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you want the latest version? :P < 1286653863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, yes. < 1286653873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you plan to modify it -- i.e. should I bother pasting debug.py too? < 1286653889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286653914 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://pastie.org/1209960.txt?key=vditdcajejmoyploowa < 1286653924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Note: This code is short enough that it is, in fact, physically impossible for it to be a game. < 1286653932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are recommended to suspend disbelief to induce the notion that you are playing a game. < 1286653933 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1286653946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Because look at it! < 1286653950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even *I'm* not sure where the game logic went. < 1286653960 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta be somewhere, right? < 1286653983 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'twould be nice if I had any clue what any of this is :P < 1286653990 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's a roguelike. And it's IMPOSSIBLY SHORT < 1286654000 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the characters. < 1286654005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: % is food < 1286654007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is potion < 1286654010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is enemy that isn't coded yet < 1286654011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is wall < 1286654013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is money < 1286654015 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should stop eating poison. < 1286654022 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S: is satiation in the status bar < 1286654025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can't help it. < 1286654028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You will now hallucinate for N turns. < 1286654040 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You may want to press a key like space to wait them out, if your S: satiation is high enough. < 1286654046 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286654049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yubn work for diagonal movement, btw. < 1286654064 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Controls: < 1286654067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl, yuvn - move < 1286654076 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I had just been using hjkl :P < 1286654080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q - quaff potion (how much hp you have to move to hp meter is in parens after HP, helps hallucination a bit) < 1286654095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enter - dismiss message; anything dismisses message if your cursor moves after one, i.e. a blocking message < 1286654105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but enter dismisses messages that don't block, so you can see the status-line < 1286654112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also re-hallucinates, which is a bug but too hard to fix < 1286654116 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lets you see what everything is if you hold it down) < 1286654120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other key skips a turn < 1286654137 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'snot much of a dungeon :P < 1286654140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :S goes to zero, you lose 25 per turn < 1286654148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 hp that is < 1286654156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can survive this with a bunch of potions beforehand and close food < 1286654165 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Right now, the recommended playstyle is to rack up as much cash as you can. < 1286654170 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, who says it's a dungeon? < 1286654175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ~PROCEDURALLY GENERATED~ < 1286654198 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but your mom is procedurally generated. < 1286654200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And when it comes down to it, I mean, man, this thing is 1421 fuckin' bytes of code. < 1286654210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not counting ending newline, which does nothing) < 1286654228 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, and hallucinating is SWEET. < 1286654234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very pretty code too. < 1286654243 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. You are obviously serious. < 1286654251 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-=(X-x)/17;Y-=(Y-y)/5 < 1286654254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This used to be four lines of if statements. < 1286654260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the scrolling code. < 1286654340 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh man. < 1286654343 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if U:U%=r(85,115) < 1286654351 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised the HORRIBLE POSSIBILITIES that has. < 1286654364 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know wtf that means :P < 1286654371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hallucination count; %= is modulo. < 1286654375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r is random integer between. < 1286654378 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1286654379 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it < 1286654379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's what times hallucination out. < 1286654384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say it's 115 for ages, because of wtf. And you get to 115, right, and it goes to modulo it < 1286654388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it ends up 85 < 1286654394 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :115 mod 85 = 30 < 1286654399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you START OVER FROM ALMOST SCRATCH < 1286654401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+30 turns) < 1286654404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other evil like that < 1286654409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be why hallu can last SO FRIKKIN' LONG < 1286654514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if U>r(85,115):U=0;Q('You feel a lot better now.') < 1286654517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem solved. < 1286654525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now only 1417 bytes! < 1286654541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW, good strategy: Get a shitload of potions, q them all up. < 1286654551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then if you run out of foods, just scramble for the nearest foods. < 1286654581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you can't get HP or S above 300, so don't try. < 1286654629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, incidentally, I've got the first bit of the R → Sierp injection you were thinking of. < 1286654637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were thinking of, you mean. < 1286654654 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, your one was the trinary one. < 1286654662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HP:308 HOW < 1286654677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHH < 1286654681 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? < 1286654764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Interesting detail: Potions can only help with hallucination if you have less than 300 HP :P < 1286654765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biToSierp :: (Fractional a, Ord a) => a -> FracPart < 1286654765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biToSierp x = let x' = x*3 in < 1286654765 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if x' < 1 then T:(biToSierp x') else if x' >= 1 && x' < 2 then L:(biToSierp (x'-1)) else R:(biToSierp (x'-2)) < 1286654767 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now, at least. < 1286654781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, ignore the type signature. < 1286654834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note the ugliness of the trinariser! < 1286654840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do realise you need infinite input numbers for that? < 1286654887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite input numbers? < 1286654887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO WHADDYA THINK OF MY GAME < 1286654899 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It, like you, is made of fail. < 1286654906 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHHHH BURN < 1286654914 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → food < 1286654940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'd like to see you do better in the same number of bytes P:P < 1286654941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1286654975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see you do an MMO roguelike in no more than double the number of bytes! < 1286654984 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286655008 0 :tombom!~tombom@86.24.14.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286655008 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286655008 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286655090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MMO ROGUELIKES DON'T WORK DAMMIT < 1286655103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless anyone who makes a turn has to wait for EVERYONE ELSE IN THE UNIVERSE to make a turn. < 1286655105 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does your mom, and yet here we are. < 1286655262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: POLYGLOT TCL STARPACK < 1286655282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a valid PE/Windows, ELF/Linux, and Mach-O/OS X executable file. < 1286655580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: o.O < 1286655587 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or rather: it ought to be < 1286655607 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back. < 1286655620 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what were you saying about infinite numbers? < 1286655641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1286655650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you only have paths that are like < 1286655651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.123 < 1286655654 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they all implicitly end with zeroes < 1286655659 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning paths have to end in infinite ups < 1286655665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you actually need a custom data structure to represent this < 1286655666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfgk < 1286655693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why do you need a custom data structure? < 1286655700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff < 1286655703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure it out yourself < 1286655707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal lazy lists work fine for the values I've tried. < 1286655843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is no different to any other decimal representation, really. < 1286656039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had realfrac stuff < 1286656041 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not sufficient < 1286656086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what? < 1286656088 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise < 1286656100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: for paths < 1286656100 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will give you $1000000000000000000000000000000 for the latest version of vagrant < 1286656128 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, so should I use Rationals? < 1286656148 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same executable that is valid for all three? Must be quite creative... < 1286656152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, you should use lists of a type with three elements < 1286656156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: it doesn't exist, it just should :) < 1286656161 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, ... < 1286656164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should have some sort of standardised multi-executable format < 1286656175 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286656181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's *exactly how I'm representing members of Sierp*. < 1286656277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The realfrac stuff is just how I'm doing the tentative bijective things. < 1286656323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Lame, there's no tclkit package in Ubuntu. < 1286656373 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: stop being lame < 1286656512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: There wouldn't be. < 1286656534 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why not. < 1286656548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... It's a single file build of Tcl? < 1286656616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And? :P < 1286656623 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Starkits use it. < 1286656680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Okay, good point. < 1286657031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I AM TRYING TO TRY WIKIT HERE < 1286657035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DO IT? < 1286657076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIKIT THE WIDGET < 1286657145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what < 1286657153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I got nothing. < 1286657322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So I have to compile TclKit? < 1286657324 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet < 1286657335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Or just download it. < 1286657349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh; got a link? < 1286657372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.equi4.com/tclkit/download.html < 1286657379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: [Information on this page needs refreshed, given that during 2007 the entire engine was replaced with wubwikit. ] < 1286657384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286657450 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately http://www.equi4.com/wikis/equi4/218 < 1286657499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ wget http://www.equi4.com/pub/tk/tars/Makefile < 1286657499 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ make < 1286657502 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, way too difficult < 1286657507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make -f <(curl http://www.equi4.com/pub/tk/tars/Makefile) < 1286657508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AM I RIGHT < 1286657551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/tclkit$ make -f <(curl http://www.equi4.com/pub/tk/tars/Makefile) < 1286657555 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This *actually works*. < 1286657560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ONE STEP COMPILE < 1286657652 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ADMIRE IT < 1286657669 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Nice. < 1286657687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way it could possibly be better is if it created its own temporary directory and then moved the final resulting binary to the current directory, meaning you would not have to create a new directory first to hold the temporary files. < 1286657721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : g++ -o kit kitInit.o pwb.o rec... FAILED: < 1286657721 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joy < 1286657983 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, do you have any thoughts on adding Sierps? < 1286658003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nope. < 1286658033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could be done by doing something carry-esque, but I'm not sure. < 1286658093 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286658136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How does one start Wikit's web server? < 1286658148 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with visualising it is that there are points which can be reached by concatenation that aren't part of the gasket itself. < 1286658150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it already running? < 1286658152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so, where? < 1286658254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1286658334 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logically, TL + TL = L, for one thing. < 1286658365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, my music server -- I'm wondering what kind of API to expose for clients to connect to. < 1286658373 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since I think it should be section-symmetric, TR + TR = £. < 1286658375 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*R < 1286658376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm thinkin' "just use proper, decent, simple RESTful HTTP". < 1286658384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because why bother inventing a socket protocol < 1286658387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*protocol? < 1286658401 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOAP YOU MUST USE SOAP < 1286658410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WASH YOURSELF DOWN WITH SOAP, NEVER REST < 1286658412 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP < 1286658413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOAP YOURSELF FOREVER < 1286658446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hot < 1286658457 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Drat. I thought pound was new and exciting < 1286658472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, it can be some cool extension to L. < 1286658526 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: in case it was not obvious, SOAP is aaaaawful. < 1286658537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I am well aware :) < 1286658543 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1286658562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/soap/simple < 1286658600 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic < 1286658612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't possibly have read it all in that time! < 1286658613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P) < 1286658614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1286658647 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1286658651 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read it before. < 1286658658 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Right :P < 1286658717 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what IS new to me is that ESR has an entire HARMFUL domain < 1286658720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, with the quaternary C thing, .01 + .01 = .111.... < 1286658735 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1286658736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1286658737 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be catb < 1286658739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that's not esr < 1286658739 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is cat-v < 1286658744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat-v is uriel < 1286658745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.01 < 1286658746 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtle trickery! < 1286658754 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :angry libertarian plan-9 blowhard -- but fuzzy inside, supposedly < 1286658767 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.01+.01=.1 < 1286658776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what's .01+0.2 < 1286658786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there no 2 < 1286658841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I decree it to be .03 < 1286658851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this was trinary < 1286658855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, quaternary < 1286658856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That took me about 30 seconds of thinking. < 1286658863 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's .01+.03 < 1286658934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.13 < 1286658936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1286658944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.01+.13 < 1286658949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.12, actually. < 1286658958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not look like addition to me < 1286658969 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it's not conventional addition < 1286658988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is for binary R, but not for Sierp and C. < 1286658991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286659036 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You -- design a decent query language. < 1286659166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am now running the tclkit server. Yay. < 1286659565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: why is lua naff? < 1286659630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. To celebrate the 65th anniversary of the founding of the Worker's Party of Korea, North Korea is now on the Internet. < 1286659672 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what? is it? < 1286659676 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...? < 1286659677 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Like, they have internet access?? < 1286659678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a website? < 1286659682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've always had a website. < 1286659684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Err, yes? < 1286659685 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Internet access. < 1286659689 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hah. < 1286659694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Restricted to three people? < 1286659698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286659701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1286659704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firewalled? < 1286659709 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restricted to three WEB SITES. < 1286659709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1286659715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: One-based array indexing, verbose control structures, metatable insanity, and lack of non-float numbers (iirc) < 1286659721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're also running a TLD. < 1286659725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.kp < 1286659727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :library is hopeless < 1286659733 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: :( < 1286659744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WANT TO REGISTER .KP NOW < 1286659746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1286659749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a .kp domain < 1286659760 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's been up for 3 years, but until now it was administered outside of North Korea, and only hosted sites outside of North Korea) < 1286659774 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since Sept. 2010 the .kp ccTLD infrastructure is unreachable." < 1286659800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today, they brought it up domestically. < 1286659804 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, just now. < 1286659810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_North_Korea < 1286659825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called "breaking news". < 1286659828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Satellite Internet coverage from BGAN and Thuraya is available, offering download speeds up to 492 kbit/s and upload speeds of 400 kbit/s; however it would be extremely difficult to smuggle a satellite terminal into the country.[1] The one Internet cafe in Pyongyang uses a satellite Internet connection, as do some of the more upmarket hotels." < 1286659841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL: < 1286659845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In 2002, North Koreans, in collaboration with a South Korean company, started a gambling site targeting South Korean customers (online gambling being illegal in South Korea), but the site has since been closed down.[2]]] < 1286659867 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286659894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *There is no censorship on it*. < 1286659902 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't mind the 1-based indexing, the control structures are at least proper words (not "elif" or "fi"), ignore metatables, and floats-only hurts very few programs and enables simplicity and smallness in implementation < 1286660008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat. < 1286660023 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: okay, show me an http server in lua < 1286660105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have you ever played Canabalt? < 1286660159 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://keplerproject.github.com/xavante/ is the "usual" one. I last saw it when it was 1.x.. I don't know if they've improved it since then, or if it has gotten bad. < 1286660174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I mean, a simple one. < 1286660176 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/oct/09/insane-clown-posse-christians-god < 1286660180 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise is a juggalo. < 1286660200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://adamatomic.com/canabalt/ < 1286660252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They went ahead and hooked their domestic intranet to the Internet. < 1286660260 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://www.steve.org.uk/Software/lua-httpd/src/httpd.lua ? half of it is comments < 1286660264 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honest-to-god. < 1286660279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give North Korea another year of existence. < 1286660282 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: CANABALT < 1286660295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: lawl "mode: C++" < 1286660302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- A simple HTTP server written in Lua, using the socket primitives < 1286660302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- in 'libhttpd.so'. < 1286660307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY AREN'T THERE SOCKET PRIMITIVES IN THE STANDARD LIBRARY < 1286660329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: So, tell me why Lua is better than Io. :P < 1286660340 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: BECAUSE THERE AREN'T EVEN FULL REGEXPS IN THE STANDARD LIBRARY < 1286660353 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Better than? < 1286660355 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, can you write a complex quaternisation function? I cannot muster the strength. < 1286660355 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha. < 1286660362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nothx < 1286660364 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what's that mean < 1286660498 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means, why should i spend my time defending Lua from your random criticisms and comparisons with other languages < 1286660612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: because I'm interested to know if Lua actually has any merit? < 1286660663 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: merit is subjective < 1286660666 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people like it < 1286660674 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people have used it and continue to do so < 1286660725 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't think it has any merit, ... that's your perogative < 1286660845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sheesh, i'm just asking for reasons why you like it as opposed to other things < 1286660852 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the inquisition < 1286661031 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Right now, I like it because it's not Python. < 1286661048 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cpressey> Same reason I like COBOL. < 1286661058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Lawl < 1286661087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling I'd dislike Lua for the same reasons I dislike Io, but amplified. < 1286661105 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you'd like Lua SO LOUD right now. < 1286661108 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1286661109 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dislike < 1286661154 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286661235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That meme is going to get SO OLD right now. < 1286661455 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Please convince me not to make a language. Oh god. < 1286661736 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286661743 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286661877 0 :flippo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reality reasserts itself sooner or later. < 1286662028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffeescript weirds me out < 1286662035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like someone took js and made it too sweet < 1286662039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now it's bad if you're code-diabetic < 1286662083 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286662175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :code diabetic is so a thing, Gregor < 1286662217 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You shouldn't make a language because you will then continue to make your own everything. < 1286662231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And you won't get any of it done. < 1286662233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dude, I'll continue to do that anyway. < 1286662246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, then what language do I use? :P < 1286662259 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you'll become me. < 1286662262 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's totally a bad idea. < 1286662305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Cheese. < 1286662315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What. < 1286662317 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: LOLCode < 1286662341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cheese programming language"; third result is cpressey < 1286662346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/hunter/doc/website_hunter.html < 1286662347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, what makes a language sweet? < 1286662355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Who knows? < 1286662382 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, make Epigram better? < 1286662391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a demonstration of how the Lua 5.0.2 interpreter can be embedded in a KLD (loadable kernel module for FreeBSD.) It isn't very useful by itself (and somewhat dangerous too, since an infinite loop in the Lua code would hang the machine,) but it shows off Lua's minimalism." < 1286662392 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god. < 1286662402 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: epigram is not useful for actual programming in the next thirty years :P < 1286662414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't show off Lua's minimalism at all ... < 1286662432 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's very little limit to what you can put in a loadable module ... < 1286662439 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why? < 1286662452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what sucks about dragonfly again? < 1286662462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fff there is not a one-irc-message reply to that at all < 1286662470 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's because the code is small methinks < 1286662484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, how many IRC messages would it take? < 1286662493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: seventy < 1286662517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, sum up? < 1286662521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can't < 1286662527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least as to why it can't be programmed in? < 1286662574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be < 1286662578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't want to, for actual projects < 1286662616 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whyyyyyyy? < 1286662645 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the installer < 1286662651 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i thought you wrote that < 1286662656 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286662668 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, why can't you write actual projects in Epigram? < 1286662681 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many dependent-typed languages are practicable at present, anyway? < 1286662682 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Stop asking me the same question fifty goddamn times over! < 1286662685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it Epigram itself, or dependently-typed languages in general? < 1286662692 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, 0. Maybe 1. < 1286662702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter, unless someone defies all my expectations in the future. < 1286662704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I never said forever. < 1286662705 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said now. < 1286662712 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epigram(no), Adga(maybe) ? < 1286662719 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Agda < 1286662726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, Coq was the maybe, actually. < 1286662748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual software has been written in extracted Coq. The same cannot be said for Agda. < 1286662749 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I always thought Coq was more of a prover than a language. (I know, I know) < 1286662759 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda is more of a masturbation than a language < 1286662785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a perfectly nice experimental dependently-typed language (at least in theory). < 1286662803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saving to: `dfly-x86_64-2.6.3_REL.iso.bz2' < 1286662804 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4% [> ] 10,343,094 128K/s eta 30m 4s < 1286662810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so slow. may claw own eyes out. < 1286662826 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: rate feasibility of this idea: take dragonfly kernel, libc, basic userland, build distro on top < 1286662827 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: PREPARE TO BE AWESOMED or something. pretty sure there's a torrent somewhere actuallyu < 1286662828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But between the idiots who think that it can actually be used to prove things and the awful abuse of Unicode and the instability it's not worked very well. < 1286662843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if i want release or snapshot! < 1286662861 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you... want NetBSD < 1286662863 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286662869 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dinna say that < 1286662875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i tried netbsd < 1286662881 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want release < 1286662883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe a single program there was newer than five years old, and X didn't work. < 1286662888 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286662899 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have no idea the hacking they do in the kernel < 1286662934 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a snapshot would probably destroy your network card *from within your vm instance* < 1286662944 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286662958 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"_≟_ : Decidable {A = Char} _≡_" ← This is in Agda's definition for *Char*. < 1286662959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: would melding NetBSD's kernel with dragonfly's basic userland be possible? < 1286662974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well uh, that's reasonable < 1286662981 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ignore the unicode, it's just < 1286662994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is_eq : Decidable Char equal < 1286662995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. < 1286662999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you know the rest < 1286663000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, since when was equals-with-hook an oft-used symbol. < 1286663008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: nah, i can't find a torrent < 1286663010 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: well, no, because the only places where df's userland differs significant from the others, iirc, is where it has df-specific syscalls etc < 1286663011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's equals with ? < 1286663015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my point is that the Unicode is pointlessly obfuscatory. < 1286663020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it is. < 1286663024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah but they have newer shit, most likely :) < 1286663033 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you'd hate mathematical notation < 1286663035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think *that's* bad < 1286663047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I don't, really. < 1286663059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are worse ones, though < 1286663100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i just don't want to use the linux kernel :) < 1286663240 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINIX! < 1286663287 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286663314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear that package management, configuration management and service management are all the same thing. < 1286663353 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286663367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people actually write proofs of things in Agda? < 1286663371 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286663383 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Agdaers? < 1286663396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286663404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well -- < 1286663405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1286663409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only as part of writing Agda libraries and the like. < 1286663446 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that theorem with the completely crazy name? < 1286663454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many. < 1286663464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, bunzip2 is slow. < 1286663471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't actually many theorems in the standard lib. < 1286663472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. lzma is faster. < 1286663484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get a progress report? < 1286663515 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286663554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1286663572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Which BSD kernel and libc/basic userland do you think is most liable for tracking in a distro? >_> < 1286663593 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE DRAWIN < 1286663595 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DAWRIN < 1286663599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DNIWAR < 1286663600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DNIRAW < 1286663602 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DARWIN < 1286663606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DARNIW < 1286663618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*DARNIT < 1286663631 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, once PureDarwin exists, sometime in 2054 or so. < 1286663662 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fuck that shit, OpenDarwin already existed and booted so it can be done from scratch. < 1286663675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see no reason why I can't just start from the actual Darwin source tree. :P < 1286663735 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newer versions of Darwin have dependencies on components that are neither open source nor distributed separate from Mac OS X. < 1286663825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So fork DarwIn! YAAAAY PRACTICAL < 1286663828 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, such as? < 1286663844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://7447233378926839072-a-puredarwin-org-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/puredarwin.org/puredarwin/welcome/macports_on_pd.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7cq5T0oxzuthiQdPogaqT6mtYXq9GhIGWpl72eNj8j1006-kEE0sGJOES_62ghsZ79nYjq3zPB31pep_NV3ZBIRpZSDQEpMlm_xWOYL-LoIJtJgZHp_nSt3f5mTolN3VxbfVGNOmZUK1tSSnYrUdgf8sH-DBZEIoS4FmQ9a_yXmJ6yTkvz3K6uDvTDmecIGcOtNToc454YMvYUX_pZ1sZTuwXV-PEw%3D%3D&attredirects=0 < 1286663845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as http://google.com/search?q=site:puredarwin.org+blockers < 1286663849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PureDarwin on real hardware < 1286663855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running a GUI < 1286663860 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem so blocked to me < 1286663867 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With VNC, admittedly, but hey, it's XFCE. < 1286663869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it runs MacPorts. < 1286663895 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quit < 1286663907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin sucks, anyway. < 1286663923 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it does :P < 1286663945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out, taking Mach and throwing a monolithic kernel on top of it, then declaring that you use a microkernel architecture, is a silly way to build an OS. < 1286663970 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An OS with a binary format that trades a useful feature (TLS) for a useless feature (fat binaries) < 1286663978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sucks how the current method of creating a BSD is basically "Fork. EVERYTHING!" < 1286663991 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD is not Linux. < 1286663991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: TLS? < 1286663996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it isn't. < 1286663999 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thread-Local Storage < 1286664005 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is there something wrong in the idea of creating a BSD distribution? < 1286664014 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1286664016 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just cultural. < 1286664030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I say that that fact sucks. < 1286664037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC-BSD is the only "BSD distro" I know of. < 1286664047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Finland&diff=next&oldid=332117 < 1286664051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's basically FreeBSD with a package manager and an installer. < 1286664063 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Debian GNU/kFreeBSD X-P < 1286664063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would you consider yourself a duck? < 1286664079 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but then you have to use Debian and it's even less polished than the Linux version :P < 1286664089 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A) Using Debian is what cool people do. < 1286664098 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :B) The real issue is then you have to use glibc! < 1286664103 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Debian is what desperate people do. < 1286664112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Sweet, DragonflyBSD panics when booting in VirtualBox. < 1286664152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Gentoo FreeBSD. < 1286664157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have to use Gentoo. < 1286664171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not GNU/kFreeBSD. It's FreeBSD with Portage.) < 1286664172 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Gentoo's package system isn't appreciably different from ports anyway. < 1286664190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ports is a bunch of BSD makefiles. ... Seriously, that's it. < 1286664207 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so portage is the port concept minus the suckiness :P < 1286664217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portage has nothing to do with ports < 1286664218 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting how much FreeBSD sucks. < 1286664221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it baffles me why anyone thinks it does < 1286664227 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286664254 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Well, Portage is *inspired by* Ports. < 1286664262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, whatever :P < 1286664270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people think it goes further than that. < 1286664276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure does. < 1286664283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1286664285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1286664286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you mean. < 1286664288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sure doesn't. < 1286664311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time anyone says the words "USE flags", I want to punch them. < 1286664314 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portage tastes like elephant ears. < 1286664319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what < 1286664321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portage is "take the basic concept of a source-based packaging system and do EVERYTHING ELSE DIFFERENTLY". < 1286664348 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :portage tastes like salt-water taffy? < 1286664355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you use the DVD, you can login as root and start a GUI with 'startx'." Note: lie < 1286664366 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's a CD, not a DVD, but they don't link to any DVDs. < 1286664369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, obviously, completely and utterly different from Ports. :) < 1286664376 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MD5 (dfly-gui-i386-2.6.1_REL.img.bz2) = (not yet available) < 1286664377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see. < 1286664381 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You can only startx if you burn it to a DVD. < 1286664382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck y'all. < 1286664385 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I approve < 1286664398 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so is this really your installer? < 1286664413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's experimental. < 1286664465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WARNING: HAMMER filesystems less than 50GB are not recommended! < 1286664485 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. I. What? < 1286664500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Apparently I may have to prune-everything a lot or something. < 1286664507 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's to do with the storage model and the journalling and stuff. < 1286664518 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, fifty gigs?! < 1286664522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286664695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone give me random pairs of quaternary numbers in the interval [0.1]. < 1286664747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm clang in static analyzer mode is reaaaaaaaaaaaally slow < 1286664760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to be expected though < 1286664770 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does make using it a bit more painful for large projects < 1286664803 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume the "interval" [0.1] is from 0.1 to 0.1, inclusive? < 1286664856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what's a quaternary number < 1286664869 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number in base-4, presumably. < 1286664879 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1286664900 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So 0.1 is 0.25 decimal) < 1286664916 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i have no idea if it is anymore or not < 1286664966 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: use the freebsd userland. it'd be the most... what's the word < 1286664973 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oomphatic < 1286665001 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other "BSD distros"... MidnightBSD, I think, is one < 1286665029 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't distro well < 1286665048 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they insist on having a "base system" instead of putting the core userland, etc in packages < 1286665149 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HAMMER filesystem? is first i've heard of it but I'd guess it is HARDCORE JOURNALING FILESYSTEM MADNESS < 1286665196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Had any luck with '95? < 1286665375 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286665662 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286666399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no < 1286666408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1286666414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i suggest purchasing the cd < 1286666465 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: does your installer have an ascii dragonfly on a blue background in the background? < 1286666531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why aren't all inits service managers? < 1286666563 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like using IPv6 ocassionally has wonky problems. Like some sites being very slow to load even through system DOES have working IPv6 connectivity. < 1286666623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: That's because there's fewer IPv6 routes. < 1286666641 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks almost like packets get dropped somewhere because of routing trouble. < 1286666840 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286666890 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT: AFAICT, the sent packets do make it out the LAN to the next gateway with proper return address. < 1286667020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. < 1286667071 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@xdsl-83-150-123-242.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1286667075 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1286667077 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1286667079 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1286667082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1286667084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1286667086 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm back < 1286667092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1286667092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1286667094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE MISSED YOU < 1286667095 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286667097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meeeeeee < 1286667101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER LEAVE < 1286667125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know why i came back? < 1286667130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1286667138 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and why did you leave *sniff*) < 1286667139 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm completely wasted < 1286667143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have you met oklopol before? < 1286667148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: stay wasted if it makes you come back. < 1286667206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286667241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up? < 1286667247 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long have i veen absent < 1286667248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been < 1286667286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ages < 1286667290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you popped in < 1286667293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few months ago like august < 1286667295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only for days < 1286667299 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that... months and months < 1286667303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey and i met once, he was talking about groups and i was disagreeing < 1286667313 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::() < 1286667315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286667322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, how dare you :| < 1286667324 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a horrible person ain't i < 1286667334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cpressey was the evil one here. < 1286667349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey was the evil that lead to my absense? < 1286667357 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: have. i. met. oklopol. before. < 1286667369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does the Pope shit in the woods?? Is a bear catholic??" < 1286667383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope i'll have more time once university settles down a bit < 1286667386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you sure you mean disagreeing, rather than waging nuclear war on < 1286667422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not sure i said anything, i just recall cpressey said something about that b... thing i disagreed about < 1286667429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burrow or something < 1286667432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bundel < 1286667435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beglar < 1286667437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baiter < 1286667438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: so do you hate him or not :D < 1286667439 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :binser < 1286667452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom < 1286667455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunnon < 1286667459 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wait? no! hi oklopol < 1286667465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello cpressey < 1286667472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice to meet you < 1286667472 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286667473 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww happy family < 1286667483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: burro < 1286667486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i have written some python that will make you proud < 1286667487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan" < 1286667488 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1286667494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here know nivat's conjecture < 1286667508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shuffles, points to oerjan < 1286667513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :novay < 1286667522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://pastie.org/1210292.txt?key=hcfdup8hv8dd9hovd40myw this is a game! written in python! < 1286667527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha because it's like norway < 1286667529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is coded exactly like you code verything < 1286667536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you appreciate my skillz < 1286667540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean awesomely < 1286667559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do realize i don't code *anything* nowadays < 1286667564 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286667565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well yes but < 1286667567 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: were you also who kept making me explain better why i thought there was no ring-language? < 1286667568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: shut up and admire my program < 1286667587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: sounds like something i would do < 1286667596 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286667645 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: tbh i don't see what that does, some sort of rogue? < 1286667665 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1286667675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it abuses integer division and wildly uses booleans as integers < 1286667676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1286667678 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's just how i roll. < 1286667681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1286667685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286667688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's pretty fun, try playing it < 1286667697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so btw < 1286667700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monsters don't even bother you right now, how cool is that < 1286667702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had a friend over < 1286667708 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time in like 3 years < 1286667719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why are there cans of dogfood everywhere?" < 1286667721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you count my gf's friends) < 1286667722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 91 < 1286667727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i hope that's the right number < 1286667729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he stayed for 10 minutes < 1286667731 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286667733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote porridge < 1286667756 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would love to try it, but it's not a program, it's just text! < 1286667773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i think i may have been on wifi all this time. < 1286667779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: save it as vagrant.py < 1286667782 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then run it with python :| < 1286667785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you knew that. < 1286667798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i do have python < 1286667804 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not proud of that < 1286667829 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait are you on windows? < 1286667834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may not work if so. < 1286667857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saved it as vagrant.pyu because of my mention-worthy drunkenness < 1286667869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you rename files? < 1286667900 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286667903 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286667904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286667908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you right click on them < 1286667909 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286667910 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and choose Rename < 1286667918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or press f2, that might work < 1286667921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after having selected it < 1286667942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know where folder options is in vista... < 1286667948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286667985 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's .txt and windows has this retarded "show user the suffix but don't let them change it" thing < 1286667992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it probably won't work on windows < 1286668004 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since windows python doesn't ship with curses because it's fucktarded < 1286668046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286668050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be true < 1286668066 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but turns out the problem i mentioned does have a rather intuitive solution < 1286668093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just change the suffix if you like, i don't know why i couldn't the first time i tried < 1286668118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah doesn't ship with curses said it < 1286668123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'says < 1286668127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*says < 1286668171 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you have the ability to install something < 1286668173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you too drunk < 1286668185 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286668191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could install curses < 1286668196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://adamv.com/dev/python/curses/ < 1286668200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might work. < 1286668214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not *that* drunk < 1286668220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1286668231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems my avast is still pirate < 1286668247 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logic circuits that work at 500 degC using microelectromechanics... Aren't there semiconductor circuit technologies (very exotic) that work at 750 degC? < 1286668282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1286668305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: quick guide to playing vagrant while you attempt to install wcurses. < 1286668329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl is left/down/up/right, yubn is diagonals, you can figure out those yourself < 1286668338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% is food, boosts S, S gets to zero, you lose 50 hp/turn < 1286668339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :being drunk _should_ help with cursing < 1286668347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is potion, adds to the meter that comes after HP < 1286668352 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q is inactive enemy < 1286668353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is money < 1286668354 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is wall < 1286668357 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is funny < 1286668367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q takes hp from the counter after the hp, adds it to hp, helps with hallucination a bit, and shit < 1286668369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T is turn count < 1286668373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is you < 1286668379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you eat food, 1/15 chance of being rotten < 1286668383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes a little bit of hp off < 1286668384 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you hallucinate < 1286668389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is polite < 1286668391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the next 85-115 turns < 1286668403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, and enter dismisses a message if you wanna see the status bar < 1286668410 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if your cursor goes after a message any key dismisses it and lets you move < 1286668410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy it to your "site-packages directory" what the fuck is a site packages directory :D < 1286668414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise it's not a blocking message) < 1286668419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wherever python is\lib\site-packages < 1286668428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and finally, any other key skips a turn. < 1286668452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, hallucination is AWESOME < 1286668454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1286668474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've hallucinated? < 1286668479 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the game < 1286668484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> if you eat food, 1/15 chance of being rotten < 1286668484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> takes a little bit of hp off < 1286668484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> and you hallucinate < 1286668486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you still in that institution thing < 1286668490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurrrrrr < 1286668490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no < 1286668494 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1286668501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please elaboray < 1286668502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :te < 1286668509 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah and holding down enter is useful since you can usually make out what the tiles are, when hallucinating < 1286668510 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with that < 1286668514 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it re-hallucinates < 1286668517 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "i'm out" < 1286668524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely < 1286668525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286668531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that, yes < 1286668534 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1286668539 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really cool < 1286668543 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1286668545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happened like a month or two ago :P < 1286668548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286668550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1286668551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1286668558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: they kicked me out for being insufficiently crazy < 1286668563 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha :) < 1286668570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: joke stolen from ais523 < 1286668600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, well anyway that's pretty cool < 1286668617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured once in always in < 1286668625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- optimist < 1286668638 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1286668664 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what the FUCK is packet mode < 1286668695 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1286668713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay umm < 1286668733 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme guess, something isn't working < 1286668735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm too drunk for curses because i pressed the button and your program still won't run! < 1286668740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what error! < 1286668757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probably it says curses isn't installed, i didn't look < 1286668758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme look < 1286668790 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: heh. um... i knew, once < 1286668802 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what is it that wants to be in packet mode, again? < 1286668805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1286668805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "C:\stuff\vagrant.py", line 2, in <module> < 1286668805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from curses import* < 1286668805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "C:\stuff\curses\__init__.py", line 7, in <module> < 1286668805 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from _WCurses import * < 1286668806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ImportError: DLL load failed: The specified module could not be found. < 1286668809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a no-brained < 1286668810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :r < 1286668823 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh right that. yeah. that doesn't seem to work. sometimes. wait a sec. < 1286668854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be weird if it worked, i just downloaded something called curses into a random directory... < 1286668874 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, you installed it properly < 1286668877 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a problem with the package < 1286668880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay the pyd is there, so < 1286668880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oka < 1286668881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1286668913 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Packet mode is on Facebook" "Sign up for Facebook to connect with Packet mode." < 1286668928 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait do you have cygwin? < 1286668930 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286668933 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does alise have a facebook page? < 1286668944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i... don't remember :D < 1286668948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. well technically yes but the last time i used it i just played go terribly < 1286668949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: GO CHECK < 1286668951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see... < 1286668962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, no < 1286668965 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need it? :D < 1286668965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if you do, start the setup program and just tick python, and ncurses < 1286668967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okayy < 1286668971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well it would be a lot easier < 1286668971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay clang-analyzer is silly, it is first assuming a parameter to the function is false in an if test, then in another if test on the same parameter a bit later assuming it is true < 1286668971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286668978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cygwin.com/setup.exe < 1286668979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has obviously not been changed in between < 1286668983 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could have been changed even < 1286668991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just need to tick python and ncurses; and obviously you love my program enough to do this < 1286669007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: btw if you're wondering why Vorpal is so boring, it's because he's AnMaster < 1286669009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286669020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesumlaut < 1286669020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, he knows that < 1286669025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1286669030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, and stop trolling < 1286669035 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trolling? < 1286669046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you know what trolling means < 1286669054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I do know, and you are doing that atm < 1286669064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you are, i mean you can't seriously think AnMaster is boring < 1286669087 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i must just be trying to rile him up because i'm so jealous of how interesting he is < 1286669089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the first thing you said last time i entered was "...and AnMaster is Vorpal now, things have changed surely much yes" < 1286669093 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. what an absurd position to take. you must be trolling. < 1286669094 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, :P < 1286669097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you imagine meeting him in person? all the sparkly ideas < 1286669100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bouncing out of him < 1286669109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spontaneity < 1286669110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the FUN < 1286669111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, mentioning it all the time is trolling however < 1286669114 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is what alise is doing < 1286669125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mentioned it once before you misused "trolling" < 1286669132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "changed surely much yes" wat < 1286669133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, once today yes < 1286669135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was i thinking < 1286669140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: what? < 1286669144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: from what i said < 1286669153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i dont' se it < 1286669156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> anyway the first thing you said last time i entered was "...and AnMaster is Vorpal now, things have changed surely much yes" < 1286669163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1286669167 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's gonig on < 1286669169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't sehet it < 1286669188 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are you installing cygwin, drunkard < 1286669189 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, nor do I < 1286669195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i SM < 1286669197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind ofa < 1286669203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> anyway the first thing you said last time i entered was "...and AnMaster is Vorpal now, things have changed surely much yes" < 1286669204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just said that < 1286669213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i replied "changed surely much yes" < 1286669214 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286669217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting the extract < 1286669218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surel6y that'sd yrue < 1286669221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to highlight its incomprehensibility < 1286669227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: stop faking drunkenness < 1286669231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286669231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that, now I get it < 1286669233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious < 1286669250 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what i was doing was not correcting my spelling < 1286669253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no seriously though, cygwin. tick python and ncurses. for peace and family! < 1286669265 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll correct it from now in < 1286669267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on < 1286669279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1286669283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm installing < 1286669303 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: oh jesus PACKET MODE < 1286669307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: man you are going to find this *so* disappointing. unless you love games without challenge < 1286669307 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't ticked anything, it didn't ask yet, and it's already installing all kinds of crap < 1286669311 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: RIGHT what is it, i enabled it < 1286669315 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was enabled by default < 1286669319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: um it should have provided a list < 1286669322 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a bunch < 1286669323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of categories < 1286669325 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a previous step < 1286669325 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :games without challenge are so coolsome < 1286669326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286669332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's probably just downloading the list < 1286669336 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: um. everything in BSD-land is ancient. Good luck finding hardware where it makes a stitch of difference < 1286669336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, cancel and trya gain < 1286669339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286669341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what is it. < 1286669342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1286669349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, VM :P < 1286669354 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's currently asking where i want to download from < 1286669362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yeah just pick any. probably one in finland < 1286669363 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was listing what it's currently downloading < 1286669364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286669379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: do i want cp850 or iso keyboard map :| < 1286669381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CLEARLY KNOW THIS < 1286669391 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286669403 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/cgi/web-man?command=boot0cfg§ion=8 < 1286669406 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :srch for packet < 1286669411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chose a random one, didn't see a .fi < 1286669414 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hah < 1286669419 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's quite a lot to download < 1286669421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have chosen a .se < 1286669426 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish servers are fast for some reason < 1286669550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i'm downloading something now < 1286669561 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what it is, but something definitely < 1286669574 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's like 100 megs to download < 1286669576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you picked a slow server < 1286669578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will never finish < 1286669593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286669602 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i picked a random one as i said < 1286669608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1286669610 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: go back and pick an .se < 1286669612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1286669612 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over half done < 1286669617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's just the package list! < 1286669621 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that finishes in about 5s for me < 1286669626 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :five seconds < 1286669629 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a good mirror :P < 1286669666 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed is like 200 kB/s afaik < 1286669669 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*afaiu < 1286669699 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be fine then < 1286669719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway once it goes to the list just use the searchy thing to search for python, tick that, then ncurses, tick that too < 1286669727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wanna pick like the latest one if it lists a few < 1286669753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to sleep soon < 1286669755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1286669761 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but my gaem < 1286669764 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286669770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very important, yes < 1286669778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: will you return :| < 1286669785 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might! < 1286669791 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: NO YOU MUST < 1286669827 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :university takes pretty much all my time < 1286669827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286669841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just combine drinking and #esoteric < 1286669841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hate computers < 1286669845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286669847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRITE OKLOS < 1286669848 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is < 1286669857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't drink very often < 1286669884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i'm drunk people are very interesting < 1286669887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: forfeit all social interaction < 1286669890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :join #esoteric < 1286669896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byt when i'm not, i just try to solve things < 1286669920 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, #esoteric is the social interaction < 1286669924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :solve enjoying #esoteric < 1286669946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i will totally come to turku sometime < 1286669958 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well helsinki looks like more fun, but i guess i could go to turku too < 1286669979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except being a researcher is mostly talking to the other researchers, although mostly it's them talking and me thinking about math < 1286670003 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would definitely LOVE seeing you < 1286670011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never have you sounded more sarcastic < 1286670018 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1286670026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just blow turku up < 1286670031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in any case that's true < 1286670039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool to meet your < 1286670043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my what < 1286670049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286670053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't notice that < 1286670055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-r < 1286670059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your penis < 1286670061 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: HOWS CYGWYN < 1286670067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's se. < 1286670074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installed! < 1286670083 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait did you select python and ncurses < 1286670096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286670097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1286670103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some sort of selecting thing < 1286670105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1286670108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you skipped it < 1286670109 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was not ncurses < 1286670113 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: was there curses < 1286670118 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe < 1286670120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't look < 1286670121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well whatever it might work < 1286670125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :start a cygwin shell < 1286670129 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1286670130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in your start menu somewhere < 1286670132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin bash or whatever < 1286670144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: then cd /cygdrive/c/path/to/vagrant < 1286670150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then python vagrant.py < 1286670152 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work < 1286670216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no module named _WCurses < 1286670217 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ugh wait < 1286670227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/python vagrant.py < 1286670229 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg quaffing has a bug < 1286670279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to go sleep soon btw < 1286670283 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay in vagrant.py < 1286670285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the line < 1286670288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if k=='q': < 1286670290 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put < 1286670291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : q=min(P,20) < 1286670293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the bug will be gone < 1286670295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1286670307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: does the /usr/bin/python one work? < 1286670316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not < 1286670338 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ff what happens < 1286670388 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: WE ARE SO CLOSE TO SOLVING THE WORLD < 1286670404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670412 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: WHAT HAPPENZ < 1286670413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_WCurses doesn't be found < 1286670420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: even with /usr/bin? < 1286670429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286670435 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/python vagrant.py < 1286670436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run that < 1286670438 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in cygwin < 1286670440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not < 1286670443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286670444 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same error/ < 1286670447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*error? < 1286670449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286670452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's simply not possible < 1286670455 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you entered that exactly :| < 1286670462 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay where did you put wcurses < 1286670464 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure! < 1286670472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wcurses?= :D < 1286670488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: THAT CURSES FOR WINDOWS YOU COPIED SOMEWHERE < 1286670492 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670493 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to site-packages < 1286670495 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you put it < 1286670554 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well umm < 1286670568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see < 1286670598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :python26/lin < 1286670601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*b < 1286670606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: where is ptyhon26 < 1286670607 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c:? < 1286670609 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*python26 < 1286670610 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesh < 1286670616 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OH < 1286670619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just delete the curses folder < 1286670624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in c:\python26\lib\site-packages < 1286670625 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just baleet it < 1286670628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then try again < 1286670634 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1286670639 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work? < 1286670642 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286670683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :baleeettet? < 1286670704 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what < 1286670707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: try the python line again < 1286670710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/python vagrant.py < 1286670713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i deleted *a* curses folder < 1286670721 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not the one in site-packages < 1286670726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1286670737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: undo that. < 1286670740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't < 1286670744 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually it doesn't matter < 1286670749 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know c:\python26? < 1286670753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuke that whole directory. < 1286670759 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that address yes < 1286670765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just delete it. < 1286670773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't, there's a couple progs of mine thar < 1286670774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1286670779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: okay just delete < 1286670781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c:\python26\lib < 1286670786 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work fine < 1286670818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286670820 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1286670828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's full of files! < 1286670831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: trust me, i'm a scientist. < 1286670835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's full of files from evil python < 1286670837 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want lovely cygwin python < 1286670839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has bunnies < 1286670845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil python files are infecting cygwin python's brains < 1286670846 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and making it dumb < 1286670853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286670853 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286670857 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i'll remove all < 1286670863 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll do what you say < 1286670873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: HOW IS THE PUBLICATION OF MY MATHNEWS ARTICLE GOING EH < 1286670873 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fall prey to the mind control < 1286670882 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: guess it didn't make this issue? < 1286670885 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1286670890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: BAH < 1286670898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it out then? < 1286670900 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all gone now < 1286670906 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it might come back for a later issue < 1286670907 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: now try the command < 1286670909 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never know < 1286670917 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the website hasn't been updated, sheesh! < 1286670920 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such unprofessionalism < 1286670922 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait actually it takes a while to remove 2000 files < 1286670924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is exactly what i was complaining about < 1286670932 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: also sort of the point < 1286670937 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay still no module WCurses < 1286670941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ...what < 1286670945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's, literally physically impossible < 1286670946 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to sleep now :D < 1286670947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286670948 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: NO WAIT < 1286670950 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe you < 1286670953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the traceback it gives < 1286670954 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what files does it list < 1286670956 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omaay < 1286670956 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from vagrant.py < 1286670969 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I BELIEVE IN THE POWER FUNCTION! < 1286670992 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i suggest you boycott that evil paper < 1286670999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vagrant.py, from curses import blah < 1286671006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the FILES < 1286671006 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1286671008 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aren't vagrant.py < 1286671009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286671020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__init__.py < 1286671026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286671028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but __init__.py WHERE < 1286671035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c/stuff/ < 1286671044 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...rses < 1286671045 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I NEED TO KNOW THE PATH < 1286671046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286671049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*.../curses < 1286671056 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not stuff/ < 1286671057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm okay < 1286671058 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff is important :p < 1286671113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/cygdrive/c/stuff/curses/__init__.py < 1286671121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: WHAT IS STUFF FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF < 1286671127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic. < 1286671130 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286671136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sic < 1286671144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/c/sic/curses? < 1286671146 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is not < 1286671173 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean literally stuff. < 1286671185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: really? < 1286671193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes really < 1286671202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call my main folder suff. < 1286671204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stuff < 1286671212 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, but < 1286671215 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses shouldn't be right in there < 1286671217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: OH < 1286671219 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: remove stuff/curses < 1286671223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :remove that whole directory < 1286671224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1286671225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286671227 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok! < 1286671238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1286671242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: now try < 1286671252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286671253 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woks < 1286671255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*works < 1286671257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: now play < 1286671260 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you remember what i said < 1286671262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tutorial < 1286671273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286671273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> after the line < 1286671273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> if k=='q': < 1286671273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> put < 1286671273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> q=min(P,20) < 1286671273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> then the bug will be gone < 1286671274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it still says there's no WCurses < 1286671276 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: did you do this? < 1286671282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it prints the map < 1286671287 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286671291 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait, what? < 1286671295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay Ctrl+C < 1286671297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear < 1286671302 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/python vagrant.py < 1286671305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should definitely work < 1286671308 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with no errors < 1286671319 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you remember the controls and what things are and shit < 1286671323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not i can copy-paste :LP < 1286671353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1286671411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm okay now it works < 1286671412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1286671419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to sleep < 1286671442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll complete the game tomorrow < 1286671445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mAYBE < 1286671448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < 1286671540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: IT IS SUCH FUNS < 1286671543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wait < 1286671544 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286671545 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: come in here tomorrow :| < 1286671710 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286671764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it doesn't boot! < 1286671765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: fix yer installer < 1286671812 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: i resigned < 1286671820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: DRAT, FOILED AGAIN < 1286671825 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, that's the boot block's problem < 1286671831 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1286671835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't start smtpd or something < 1286671838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this is a boot-blocking error < 1286671841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what is it about BSDs that attracts drama, btw?) < 1286671853 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well then it boots, it just doesn't... start up < 1286671865 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most useless distinction evar < 1286671870 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pah. who needs smtpd < 1286671872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey safe mode seems to work < 1286671883 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: WILL YOU USE MY BSD/LINUX (I HAVE NO IDEA WHICH YET) DISTRIBUTION < 1286671887 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be all the puppies < 1286671890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the flowers and kittens < 1286671892 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF YOU CAN GET TO MINED, IT BOOTS < 1286671903 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: perhaps. < 1286671904 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it may just be distributed as kitten-version.iso < 1286671927 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kitten, nice name for an os < 1286671931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better than Quadrant (my first thought) < 1286671957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it boots just with yelly error messages that hide the login prompt < 1286671959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you press enter < 1286671989 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point i wanted to strip the Dragonfly userland to the bare minimum and distribute a (then-)flash-drive sized distro of it < 1286671993 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :called "Damselfly" < 1286671994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: features: everything is a service! stupid init system all gone, instead process 1 is just a nice service management system (think "# ctl start x11") < 1286671999 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it? and there actually is such an insect < 1286672006 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably non-glibc for at least most stuff < 1286672009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe statically linked (probably not) < 1286672014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsd userland, or at least a minimal one < 1286672024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hur hur :P < 1286672054 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: did it ever get anywhere? < 1286672055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not < 1286672061 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: no < 1286672080 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: have they packageized the base system yet? < 1286672084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, extra feature: probably some sort of pre-assembled configuration of a panel program and i guess a file manager, constituting the "desktop environment" < 1286672084 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, fft < 1286672090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: very much doubt it < 1286672101 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many old programs in there no one the fuck uses < 1286672109 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : <alise> oh, extra feature: probably some sort of pre-assembled configuration of a panel program and i guess a file manager, constituting the "desktop environment" < 1286672110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a package that is < 1286672112 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :supporting ancient and obscure hardware < 1286672117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/^ +// < 1286672144 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, for that reason alone, i would lean towards, if you have a bsd userland, make it a package < 1286672145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and there may be some merging of the concepts of a package manager and a system configuration manager, and maybe even services manager < 1286672149 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's much more up in the air < 1286672155 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: everything will be a package, more or less. < 1286672156 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeowza < 1286672158 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel won't be < 1286672160 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will use *my* LINUX DISTIBUTION (if/when I write it)? < 1286672168 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: perhaps. < 1286672172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one or two things in /bin that the system needs to even start will be in one package like ultra-base < 1286672176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /lib < 1286672181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably not. < 1286672186 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't have all the puppies and flowers and kittens. (If you want those, you have to get them separately) < 1286672198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, this is why i wouldn't use it! < 1286672203 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get install butterflies < 1286672205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like puppies and flowers and kittens! < 1286672217 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh yeah, and general system ethos of... not breaking, ever < 1286672221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i can help it < 1286672231 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's why? You can still get them separately, you should be able to use them compatible, with background picture or whatever.... < 1286672245 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and packages that really suck like x11 and the like will probably come with some sort of helping aids to make them less terrible to administer < 1286672257 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But I need puppies and flowers and kittens. < 1286672264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How could I even install them if I didn't have them? I need them to use any system! < 1286672292 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You can use your distribution. For my distribution, if you want puppies and flowers and kittens, you have to get it separately. It is not part of the distribution, but that doesn't mean it is incompatible. < 1286672312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: it's also possible that the system will be run entirely from ram. < 1286672313 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1286672317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. So far, I have discovered that everything ever hates me. < 1286672336 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might write most of the new programs using Enhanced CWEB. Now, this Linux distribution is not only a operating system, it is also a book. < 1286672337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But how could I get it? I'd have to use a distribution to do that. And if I use yours, it won't have puppies and flowers and kittens, so I won't be able to use it even for the second it takes me to get them. < 1286672373 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Ah, then don't use it, if you don't want to..... or, just make a modified distribution using some other system to make the modifications with..... whichever way you prefer < 1286672400 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will need to use the autopuppifier download tool < 1286672403 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want pictures, put the pictures on USB memory or so on. < 1286672404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll stick to kitten OS < 1286672408 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no pictures < 1286672408 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK. < 1286672409 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual kittens! < 1286672413 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and flowers, and puppies < 1286672424 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: OK, do that if you want to. < 1286672425 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my operating system < 1286672599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: lame, it doesn't do qemu's network < 1286672600 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :properly < 1286672603 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i configured it wrong >_> < 1286672710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: "As of 1.4, DragonFly uses the NetBSD Packages Collection pkgsrc (http://www.netbsd.org/docs/software/packages.html) for third-party software." < 1286672711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheaters < 1286673102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses aria2c to download PC-BSD from all mirrors at once < 1286673107 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have explained before that I planned to call my distribution "ArcaneLinux", and explained the codename scheme used. Some people figured it out, other people think the theme doesn't match itself. (alise: What codename scheme do you plan?) < 1286673117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the scheme < 1286673121 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286673194 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: The scheme is that the second version might be called "Illimitable Illithid" and the sixth version called "Vancouver Island", and so on. < 1286673213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1286673223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't plan a codename scheme, as I don't plan to have releases, just updates. < 1286673241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The installer CD will probably be rebuilt whenever it stops working or gets out of date in some noticeable way. < 1286673254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So from about one to three months, I would guess. < 1286673356 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those would just be given YYYY-MM release dates, almost certainly. < 1286673362 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286673486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey -- were you the one who knew stuff about ksplice? < 1286673503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that a #nixos guy < 1286673544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ooh, scratch that. I just had an idea. < 1286673559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you did a hibernate-type-thing, would it be possible to omit the kernel memory, and then have the new kernel restore it? < 1286673567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus having a reboot but keeping everything started up. < 1286673734 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@64.62.173.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286673790 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Only if you could somehow make it keep track of the kernel *state*. < 1286673830 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: True. Aww. < 1286673841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wish ksplice was something you could port to another kernel in, like, days. < 1286673845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid bad system design. < 1286673853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I guess I'll just stick to supporting a kexec reboot method. < 1286673958 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: guess what. i left when they decided to use pkgsrc < 1286673967 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, way to innovate, guys < 1286673967 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: haha < 1286673990 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were like two or three people involved in the project who were trying to build a new package system, too < 1286674015 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the last thing i'd have expected from you is for you to have written an installer and stuff for a bsd variant < 1286674020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just... < 1286674025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suer it was you? < 1286674026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sure < 1286674047 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: it's in Lua, too! ooooo! < 1286674051 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not me! < 1286674069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's why it sucks then < 1286674069 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1286674113 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever used freebsd's installer? < 1286674118 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, c'mon < 1286674151 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all bsd installers suck < 1286674186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So, the way to get a Win2k VM in Qemu is apparently to install it in VirtualBox and convert the disk image. < 1286674285 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh joy. < 1286674287 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just use it in VirtualBox? < 1286674301 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: pc-bsds is probably decent since it's all modern and graphical, even if that's irritating < 1286674309 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: kitten's installer will be nice :D < 1286674340 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286674355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what was the old installer like:? < 1286674357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it had one < 1286674359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*like? < 1286674365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Because qemu is significantly more flexible. < 1286674381 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why would you want flexible win2k :p < 1286674393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And VirtualBox doesn't really let you go and just create a hard disk image that's a copy-on-write clone of another one. < 1286674417 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. < 1286674421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: are you replacing wine or something :) < 1286674440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not all programs run on WINE. < 1286674441 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286674463 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you mean dfbsd? it didn't have one. it just came with instructions for how to do an install using unix commands < 1286674471 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: joy < 1286674472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the only limitation with qemu is that it doesn't emulate 3D hardware. < 1286674478 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a booted livecd, of course < 1286674520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: to be honest, the installer in kitten will probably just help you partition a little, format filesystems, tell the package manager "install the base package in this root", and then do some trivial system configuration < 1286674521 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286674524 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's quite a lot < 1286674527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it won't be a hugely complex prorgam < 1286674529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*program < 1286674530 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1286674563 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make it with kitten and flower, does it have flowers that even talk? < 1286674597 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flowers don't talk < 1286674608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall force Windows into doing his bidding! Muahahaha < 1286674624 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I know. That is why it is funny < 1286674633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it isn't a flower then! < 1286674637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what are you planning to do? < 1286674711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... Create a set of application-specific VMs. < 1286674718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right. < 1286674726 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: replace explorer.exe with the application >:) < 1286674734 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make the application fullscreen if possible < 1286674737 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make qemu set the window title < 1286674739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then make a launcher for it < 1286674742 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :voila, slowest program ever < 1286674748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can qemu do automatic mouse capture? < 1286674750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, that'd be annoying < 1286674754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't. < 1286674772 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.metasploit.com/redmine/attachments/433/get_bionic_working.diff ;; this purports to make android's libc, bionic, compile on a regular system < 1286674787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm primarily intending this for games for Windows. < 1286674790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if linux or bsd < 1286674795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: right. qemu is a bit slow for that < 1286674798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1286674800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either 2D or sufficiently-simple-3D-that-software-rendering-doesn't-suck < 1286674803 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: KVM < 1286674805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1286674876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE" < 1286674881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now *there's* an error I dislike. < 1286674913 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286674921 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :-D < 1286674932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception: [FtpNegotiationCommand.cc:346] File /home/ehird/PCBSD8.1-x86-DVD.iso is being downloaded by other command. < 1286674936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why i get 394857573894579345 of those. < 1286674941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when feeding it a hueg list of http and ftp servers < 1286674945 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aria2) < 1286674969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries installing on qemu without KVM < 1286674977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(... and toggle KVM on afterwards) < 1286674982 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1286674998 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts singing Gilbert & Sullivan < 1286675002 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Poor fellow..." < 1286675018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This'll be slower than hell. Hooray. < 1286675090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Windows installation breaks with kqemu & kvm. < 1286675258 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I find an introduction to functional programming that doesn't talk as if the reader is brand new to the idea of what functional programming is? < 1286675279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: Umm... < 1286675284 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's sort of half-contradictory. < 1286675293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of get what you mean, but... < 1286675337 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. "Setup is starting Windows 2000" for the past... 5 minutes. < 1286675346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's lying to me. < 1286675359 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how most imperative programming 'tutorials' start off with what variables and statements are, and don't get past them for five pages. < 1286675409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motherfucking hell. < 1286675443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything hates me. < 1286675450 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: HTDP? SCIP? < 1286675455 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SICP < 1286675475 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo htdp, yay sicp < 1286675481 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htdp is too practical and plt and BULLSHIT :| < 1286675490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you read your SICP today? < 1286675491 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286675494 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coppro: ? < 1286675516 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :htdp.org / google it < 1286675524 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1286675525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: sicp. < 1286675528 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sicp < 1286675552 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if we can start a htdp/sicp flamewar < 1286675552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to find the ascii /prog/snake < 1286675569 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be the new emacs/vim < 1286675602 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MLftWP < 1286675612 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286675612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I work on power management, so I'm always interested in what kind of power management functionality and interfaces people want. Plumbers included a nice discussion with someone from an embedded company I can't remember, culminating in us deciding that the existing cpufreq interface did what they wanted and so no new interfaces needed to be defined. Google was going to be an interesting case of a large company hiring people both from the embedded world and a < 1286675612 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lso the existing Linux development community and then producing an embedded device that was intended to compete with the very best existing platforms. I had high hopes that this combination of factors would result in the Linux community as a whole having a better idea what the constraints and requirements for high-quality power management in the embedded world were, rather than us ending up with another pile of vendor code sitting on an FTP site somewhere in < 1286675613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Taiwan that implements its power management by passing tokenised dead mice through a wormhole. < 1286675614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To a certain extent, my hopes were fulfilled. We got a git server in California." < 1286675641 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ML for the Working Programmer < 1286675648 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not bad. but it is ML < 1286675656 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything ending "for the Working Programmer" sounds like something to avoid. < 1286675677 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I believe it's a pun on "Category Theory for the Working Mathematician" < 1286675686 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not pun. play < 1286675690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1286675692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad marketing then :) < 1286675698 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: *Categories, I think < 1286675702 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if google serves me right < 1286675709 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1286675713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1286675715 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checked < 1286675716 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of categories theory < 1286675722 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories for the ... < 1286675724 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly < 1286675736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory is cool, even if i will never understand it < 1286675772 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just go to grad school in pure math < 1286675794 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in other news, <3 going to a real math school) < 1286675796 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: like, right now? < 1286675806 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: obviously! < 1286675810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll be there in twelve hours. < 1286675821 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: your job is to secure my admission < 1286675829 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm sick < 1286675836 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand a three-hour extension < 1286675850 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: granted. but you also have to give me money, too. < 1286675853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. VirtualBox it is. *mutter* < 1286675860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damned snapshots. < 1286675864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sucking. < 1286675868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially sucking. < 1286675905 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting thing I learned last week: if k divides n, the kth Mersenne number divides the nth Mersenne number. < 1286675933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WHAT IF K DOESN'T DIVIDE N, COPPRO?!?!?!?! < 1286675938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THEN?! < 1286675942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE *FUCK* THEN?!!?!:@?!?!?! < 1286675947 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody think of the children < 1286675949 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH < 1286675953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sobs < 1286675960 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's okay, I haven't proven it yet < 1286675969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: YOU DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT PEOPLE < 1286675979 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS YOUR MATHEMATICS, PROVING THINGS AND RUINING PEOPLE'S LIVES! < 1286675986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAKE UP, COPPRO! WAKE THE FUCK UP!!! < 1286675998 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics and pooppyness. < 1286676016 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's going to be the title of coppro's phd thesis < 1286676042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematics and pooppyness: a method to remove undesired comments from a networked computer conversational system. < 1286676055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, his phd thesis is on /ignore < 1286676089 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google are testing self-driving cars on the actual road, without the driver actually driving. < 1286676091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that legal? < 1286676099 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why? < 1286676100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirtualBox has the *concept* of copy-on-write images. It just doesn't let you create them outside of its retarded conception of "snapshots". < 1286676120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"With someone behind the wheel to take control if something goes awry and a technician in the passenger seat to monitor the navigation system" < 1286676122 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES, BUT. < 1286676128 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ohgodihopenot < 1286676135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/science/10google.html < 1286676140 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: or was that the phd thesis thing < 1286676145 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were going ohgodihopenot to < 1286676157 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one or the other < 1286676163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway only in sil. val. and if you live there you deserve what you get < 1286676174 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how does one appreciate silicon(e) valley?) < 1286676179 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it would be really awesome if the police were to go and bust them for it < 1286676182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siliconE-Valley < 1286676190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it's probably legal, if they're doing it < 1286676191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1286676200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but imagine if it drove slightly over the speed limit due to a rounding error < 1286676204 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably has to do with freedom of speech or something < 1286676204 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they got pulled over < 1286676209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :driver with his hands down by his side < 1286676212 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1286676222 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, how great would it be if it pulled over automatically? < 1286676226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or -- even better -- < 1286676231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ran away automatically < 1286676233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever it sensed police < 1286676238 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better < 1286676241 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :driver falls asleep < 1286676242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOM < 1286676246 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: :D < 1286676250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic car chase up a mountain < 1286676252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the driver asleep < 1286676299 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, if it was driving off of google maps, did something dumb like crash into a closed road < 1286676308 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a nonexistent one < 1286676499 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< alise> coppro: it's probably legal, if they're doing it < 1286676512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :corporation is doing x. therefore x is probably legal. < 1286676520 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i wish. < 1286676557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well. < 1286676561 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the NYT knows about it. < 1286676565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google certainly aren't ultra-silent < 1286676575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise they would have detailed their OMG INVESTIGATION < 1286676578 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find out who's behind it < 1286676595 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1286676650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The car can be programmed for different driving personalities — from cautious, in which it is more likely to yield to another car, to aggressive, where it is more likely to go first." < 1286676660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building a car-driving AI with an "aggressive" option: worst idea ever, or worst idea ever? < 1286676683 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST < 1286676684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDEA < 1286676684 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVER < 1286676702 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then just deploy it in your favorite belligerent country. < 1286676704 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly people are getting run down. < 1286676709 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody can identify who's running them down. < 1286676715 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kim Jong Il gets hit by a car ... < 1286676729 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1286676736 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this presupposes north korea has roads < 1286676747 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does. < 1286676751 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tour buses drive on them < 1286676756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that trains? no. bus. < 1286676783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: They have extremely overbuilt road infrastructure. < 1286676796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see, being able to show off highways is a source of national pride. < 1286676816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having enough cars to make your 8-lane highway necessary is un-Juche. < 1286676817 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, thanks to the google murder car, it shall be their undoing! < 1286676883 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/enough/ < 1286676941 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's something large and obscure and complex that I can build from source < 1286676955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 8-lane? srsly? < 1286676968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Pyongyang only, but seriously. < 1286676973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286676989 0 :storkbot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286677111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, because I'm actually using VirtualBox for this... Might as well see how well its 3D support works. < 1286677119 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has 3D support? < 1286677137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has fully-functional OpenGL support and experimental Direct3D support. < 1286677153 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WineDirect3D, it's called < 1286677156 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name scares me greatly. < 1286677163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Direct3D support, you need to go into safe mode to install. < 1286677168 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubly scary < 1286677176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[#4 SIZE:3,041.1MiB/3,396.4MiB(89%) CN:5 SPD:795.6KiBs ETA:07m37s] < 1286677176 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... hm. < 1286677177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum de dum < 1286677179 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to replace the d3d library. < 1286677180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this better be good < 1286677291 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be *perfectly* fair to all this, I'm going to try something I know actually works tolerably in WINE. < 1286677334 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO < 1286677336 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1286677341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what < 1286677344 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half-Life 2. < 1286677355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-life 2 works tolerably in wine? < 1286677358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted. < 1286677375 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam is slower than hell, but yeah, it works just fine. < 1286677377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 1? :P < 1286677388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half-Life 1 works 200% perfectly. < 1286677396 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half-Life 1 X-D < 1286677396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is to say, better than on Windows) < 1286677397 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try as I might, I cannot think of anything stupider than steam < 1286677398 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a challenge. < 1286677400 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does steam even exist < 1286677405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: to be fair, WINE sucks shit < 1286677415 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: WINE is fucking incredible. < 1286677419 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you.... need ed to build Go < 1286677440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: dude, it's from the plan 9 guys < 1286677445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even uses the plan 9 c compilers to compile it < 1286677449 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the same toolchain model < 1286677450 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and linker < 1286677454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, of course it freaking uses ed < 1286677460 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: even Worms: Armageddon isn't a sure thing with wine < 1286677472 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... < 1286677480 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286677486 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: is this Go the board game, some computer version < 1286677488 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Go the language < 1286677489 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that any given program may or may not work under WINE is not a statement against WINE, regardless of how simple or complicated that program is. < 1286677500 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes it is, since WINE aims for Windows compatibility. < 1286677512 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: doesn't matter, i've given up already < 1286677516 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck this shit < 1286677520 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh yeah, requiring ed < 1286677520 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY GIVEN PROGRAM != lots and lots of programs. < 1286677522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so horrible < 1286677527 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ed, the one thing guaranteed to be on any unix system < 1286677532 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could they possibly use it in their build system < 1286677539 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: that's not ... look n/, < 1286677549 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :look n/, < 1286677550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286677557 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind < 1286677565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :please correct your line < 1286677579 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alise, that's not... look, never mind." < 1286677580 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's not look n/. < 1286677583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must admit that. < 1286677700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA! It actually just downloaded it from one source < 1286677707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a torrent < 1286677710 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's why it was a bit slow < 1286677711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1286677779 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how, pray tell, shall i atone for my double ignorance that Go, the language, is from "the plan 9 guys" and that this means that "of course it freaking uses ed"? < 1286677810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sacrifices a goat again < 1286677811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You know... of all the things I could say to annoy you, picking on one that I didn't even say angrily probably isn't the best start. < 1286677904 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should just get used to it < 1286678007 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: haha sweet, PACKET commands aren't working < 1286678011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when booting pc-bsd in a vm < 1286678014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMN YOU PACKET MODE < 1286678075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BIOS drive A: is disk0 < 1286678080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIOS drive C: is disk1" < 1286678086 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the BIOS have a concept of drive letters? < 1286678098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I've found that games using OpenGL pretty much "just work". < 1286678122 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "just don't work" < 1286678130 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on your graphics card < 1286678132 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Worms: Armageddon is 2D, and the menu interface is done by drawing a Windows window with buttons and shit behind the rendered UI. < 1286678135 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and text boxes. < 1286678145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hooray, crazy shit. < 1286678148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know this because when it freezes you can see blank text boxes and buttons arranged in just the right shape. < 1286678160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Surprisingly, for a game released in 1997, it is *still regularly updated*. < 1286678160 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in. < 1286678162 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actual features. < 1286678163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Polish. < 1286678164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1286678169 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A proprietary game at that. < 1286678187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Crazy. < 1286678189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But awesome. < 1286678202 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Because some guy made this cheating software for it and everyone got angry, then he wrote another piece of software with the same name, that *disabled* the cheating software when playing over the 'net, and added some little useful features. < 1286678218 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the company were like "ok you clearly know your shit, here, have a salary and the source code". < 1286678224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... he's still at it, even after all these years. < 1286678225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's totally awesome. < 1286678254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can play that game from 1997 at full widescreen resolution, and it's insanely polished. :) < 1286678274 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few sprites were even updated some years back just to look a little bit nicer while keeping in with the others. < 1286678314 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'99, not '97. Still awesome. < 1286678324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, no. < 1286678332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'99 was the last "official" release, rather than "beta". < 1286678339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. < 1286678346 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BIOS does have drive numbers. The BIOS assumes there can be up to 128 floppy drives and up to 128 hard drives. < 1286678348 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, yeah, 1999. < 1286678362 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, the game has been in "beta" ever since ... well, ever since years and years ago. < 1286678369 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in that community, "beta" means "updated". < 1286678379 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is because the patches were beta because they were experimental. < 1286678386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then nobody bothered to make them not beta. < 1286678432 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, it's a great game; highly recommended. < 1286678443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn-based artillery with, like, ten cupfuls of ridiculousness. < 1286678448 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played Worms before. :) < 1286678451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1286678457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ever played online? It's a whole new world. < 1286678461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1286678464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, "regular" games are rather rare there; people are awful creative. < 1286678467 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 Team17 < 1286678477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, one of the most common game is a shopper. < 1286678491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to get a crate -- they fall every turn -- before attacking. You have to drop the attack from a rope. < 1286678508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you have to kill the leader (or the second if you're the leader). (Or all but the last player, as a variant.) < 1286678528 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION must have < 1286678540 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you get things like ropers, with a very limited set of weapons and the same rules as a shopper, but played on a two-island map and with just the right amount of water that you can knock someone in without drowning when you land. (Yeah, that's weird.) < 1286678544 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, and the turn time is 15 seconds. < 1286678546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit frantic. < 1286678548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: must have what? < 1286678551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W:A? < 1286678560 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it actually doesn't have the colon. Whatever. < 1286678575 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do mean WA, I'm rather surprised that you know of Team17 but don't own it. < 1286678590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God dammit. < 1286678603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam has stopped supporting Win2k. < 1286678614 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sucks Tobe you. < 1286678617 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes indeed, you suck Tobe. < 1286678621 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suck Tobe, you! < 1286678663 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I have never actually acquired a worms game, yet I have played them regularly at others' places < 1286678675 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because I keep forgetting < 1286678678 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Tobe's place) < 1286678686 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You can only buy the Sold-Out version now I think. < 1286678692 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't really know if Team17 make more than a penny of that. < 1286678700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piracy half-recommended. < 1286678710 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds about right < 1286678728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure *why* they pay Deadcode and I think CyberShadow now to maintain the game. < 1286678739 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe for fan goodwill. :) < 1286678802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some corporations list goodwill as assets in their yearly reports for the stock exchange... < 1286678856 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: because they are friggin awesome < 1286678869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That they are. < 1286678873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are perhaps the coolest games company ever. < 1286678878 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely up there < 1286678879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maybe Introversion. < 1286678891 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worms 3d isn't all that bad either < 1286678902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, the last update came out 2 years ago... < 1286678922 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is impressive, given that it's a 3d artillery game < 1286678936 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well. < 1286678941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: after iterating for that many years < 1286678942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what more can you do? < 1286678950 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but -- as far as i am aware it is still being developed < 1286678950 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, true. < 1286678955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: worms 3d is pretty bad but not that bad < 1286678962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after worms 4 they decided "fuck this 3d bullshit" < 1286678966 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now they only do 2d < 1286678974 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they released a new 2d worms game for pc but it doesn't look all that hot < 1286678993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In February 2004, a small group of fans launched a Team17 fansite called Dream17. The company gave Dream17 permission to make their entire Amiga back-catalog of games available as free downloads in both ADF and IPF disk image formats.]] < 1286678995 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: pikhq: ^ < 1286678998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO IS THAT AWESOME? < 1286679013 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our old Amiga games? Sure, you can post all of those. For free." < 1286679030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That's pretty dang awesome. < 1286679075 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lol at how EA handled the old C&C games < 1286679075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, I found CyberShadow's Worms blog. < 1286679094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link me? xD < 1286679101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.worms2d.info/ < 1286679108 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's actually on my msn list... although i forget why < 1286679109 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here, have it free. You can download a patch at [dead third-party link]" < 1286679111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems that WINE works if you just use a different DirectDraw DLL. < 1286679121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the next patch will have it work out-of-the-box. < 1286679125 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, that < 1286679144 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people online can be a bit lame < 1286679150 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're v. noob intolerant at least when i played < 1286679165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they're working on WINE support. < 1286679173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :recite the rules to the game (e.g. "afr cba abl" for a shopper (attack from rope, crate before attack and all but last)) or get kicked instantly < 1286679174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only everyone could be so awesome. < 1286679182 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In other news, our Wine users may be delighted to know that starting with the next Worms Armageddon update, they will no longer need a patched DirectDraw DLL. W:A will run out of the box!" < 1286679183 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1286679194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only everyone could be so awesome. < 1286679196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dump.thecybershadow.net/408ac203082e5044bded2e7bdacd84e0/screen0557.png < 1286679200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG THINGS TO TWEAK < 1286679201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LIKE < 1286679221 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Force Wine virtual desktop". < 1286679226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why can't everyone have Wine-specific options? :P < 1286679236 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HAHA: http://dump.thecybershadow.net/a9c47ea3f6ef7937363241e912825274/screenshot.png < 1286679247 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worms World Party is the same as Worms Armageddon except it never got updated and the graphics were cutesy and shit. < 1286679259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that, right there, is an outright admission that Worms World Party is the shitty version of W:A. < 1286679333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: HAH < 1286679360 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.worms2d.info/mountain-sheep ;; wat < 1286679365 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which a sheep is magical. < 1286679406 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey they finally added clickable links < 1286679423 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fun fact: The online WA system is based on *IRC*. < 1286679432 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, really? < 1286679436 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's why it's #AnythingGoes, etc. They're IRC channels. That's how the chat works. There's even a help bot. < 1286679437 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: BUT < 1286679440 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't get too excited. < 1286679445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They really hate it when you connect with an IRC client. < 1286679447 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, did. < 1286679452 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they probably care less nowadays. < 1286679454 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still... < 1286679457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gotta admire that decision. < 1286679466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So, we have rooms that people can chat in... okay, let's just use IRC." < 1286679475 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, IRC is a significantly saner choice < 1286679480 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't reinvent the wheel < 1286679497 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even has an MOTD :) < 1286679511 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there has been a few third-party servers released over the years, I dunno if any ones are public/current. < 1286679522 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The login-system -- which no longer requires a password unlike the old days -- is inexplicably based on HTML. < 1286679525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Beautiful. < 1286679535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a list of Wormnet servers in your game installation as an HTML file, which the game displays customly. < 1286679543 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You click them, and it goes to an HTML login page on the server, which is custom-processed somehow. < 1286679550 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oo < 1286679557 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can actually edit the server list -- but getting it to actually connect to something else is a chore. < 1286679562 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got some server software working once. < 1286679572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, that's a dual IRC/HTTP/WormNet server you have to have there. < 1286679577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not simple! < 1286679603 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in all honesty, I'd probably just implement most of the client protocol over DCC for something like Worms < 1286679606 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5736 tool-assisted speedrun of a rope race level < 1286679613 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: err, latency is a real problem < 1286679618 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual game has to be super-optimised < 1286679624 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, really? < 1286679624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because a lot of people with suboptimal net connections play it < 1286679628 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even one or two dialuppers < 1286679630 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fair < 1286679633 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you see them moving while their turn is giong < 1286679634 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*going < 1286679637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have chat at the same time < 1286679641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1286679647 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like it just shows you what they do after the fact < 1286679650 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see what they see < 1286679690 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches http://lex.clansfx.co.uk/worms/movies/Lex%20-%20TAS%20of%20Pi%27s%20Mission%20Impossible%202%20rope%20race%20-%2021.86%20sec%20-%20no-death%20ending.x264.avi < 1286679733 0 :Rugxulo!~chatzilla@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286679744 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1286679746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch that video now < 1286679748 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hilarious < 1286679794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1286679798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: hey, Lex is in Waterloo too! < 1286679802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least as of 2007-07 < 1286679809 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he goes to your uni :) < 1286679861 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286679902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: people. < 1286679930 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> entrant in my Most Xenophobic Comment of the Year award < 1286680010 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I just think Unicode is a bit overrated, that's all < 1286680020 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think everything invented post-1990 is overrated < 1286680029 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much! < 1286680056 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, make that 1993 and you're correct ;-) < 1286680080 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: unlikely but possible? < 1286680097 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: can you get a full name? < 1286680105 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "Lex, the worms guy" < 1286680112 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i uh, i did talk to him at one point < 1286680117 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about full name though :D < 1286680127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: How's Unicode overrated? < 1286680147 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I could check if he's (or if someone of the same name is, anyway) at the uni with a full name < 1286680148 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that Unicode support is overrated < 1286680158 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hard to do, anyways < 1286680165 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for questionable benefit (in some situations) < 1286680181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's Unicode support overrated? < 1286680195 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: because we're AMERICAN! < 1286680201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we don't need any other languages! < 1286680207 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my philosophy is more minimalist than "add everything and the kitchen sink and deprecate everything every 2 years" < 1286680211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: can't you just search for everyone named Lex/Alex :D < 1286680219 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I suppose I could try < 1286680234 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: yes, because everyone who speaks a non-English language should be ignored for your silly philosophy designed solely so that you can claim everything modern is bloated < 1286680253 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, and I didn't say that < 1286680256 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-) < 1286680259 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: too many higts < 1286680263 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't like modern OSes and all their crap < 1286680264 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hits < 1286680286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Location < 1286680286 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guelph, Ontario < 1286680292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: never mind. < 1286680299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Are you aware what the alternative to Unicode (or something similar) is? < 1286680303 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: he may have graduated. < 1286680316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Date of Birth < 1286680316 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :October 26, 1987 (22) < 1286680335 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286680336 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say NLS / i18n / etc. is bad, just sometimes overkill and bloated and hard to implement and .... < 1286680346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll tell you. It's hundreds of entirely different and inherently incompatible character encodings. < 1286680380 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is the best thing to happen to character encodings since the invention of the letter < 1286680414 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, wasn't Unicode invented in like 1993? (so maybe it's not so bad after all, heh) < 1286680424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the bloat (yes, *bloat*) necessary to be able to parse *each and every one of them* everywhere that more than one encoding is needed. < 1286680427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: 1991. < 1286680446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and keep in mind that there's generally more than one encoding per language!) < 1286680459 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm not quite the rube you think I am (though close enough!) < 1286680476 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying, some things don't need to be internationalized < 1286680483 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some problems with Unicode also, but I can think of a different way to make the code supporting all language and other things, too. One thing is to make a code point number encode all properties necessary to typeset/parse a character < 1286680522 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, most programs still don't have NLS text for their interfaces (e.g. GNU Emacs) < 1286680524 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another way is that it includes variation mode and various other modes, too. < 1286680552 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :standards are good ... to a point, but sometimes they are overkill or badly designed or heavily ignored or whatever < 1286680570 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Yes I think in many cases that is < 1286680598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For English, there's ASCII, ISO 8859-1, Windows-1252, EBCDIC, Mac OS Roman, ANSEL. < 1286680619 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and code page 437. < 1286680637 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, some people never supported all the 8859-x ones at all, only Latin-1 (at best) despite them being designed at the same time (at least the first four) < 1286680647 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1986, IIRC < 1286680657 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's just lame, so much for standards ... the fact is nobody cares :-( < 1286680666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you'd need to handle 7 different character encodings *just to handle arbitrary English text*. < 1286680683 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1286680693 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I admit there's quite a lot of incompatible data out there < 1286680713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is for a relatively simple set of glyphs. < 1286680735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets even more horrifying if you look into CJK. < 1286680784 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may sound good to support every language under the sun, but that gets tedious (and expensive) < 1286680843 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :face it, some languages are more equal than others :-( < 1286680874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's trivial to make it possible to *deal with text* in every language under the sun. < 1286680882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just implement Unicode. < 1286680900 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how many glyphs, ten thousand?? < 1286680926 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is UTF-8 < 1286680935 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION deep troll < 1286680943 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is one way of encoding Unicode characters < 1286680950 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other way is UTF-16 < 1286680960 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or UTF-32 (Emacs??) < 1286681039 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hate modern computers, they're so horribly inefficient < 1286681059 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't blame Unicode for that, but it hasn't helped! < 1286681060 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are plenty of ways. < 1286681062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JIS X 0201, JIS X 0208, JIS X 0212, JIS X 0213, Shift-JIS, code page 932, ISO-2022-JP, EUC-JP. < 1286681072 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8, UCS-1, UTF-16, UCS-2, UTF-32 and UCS-4 are some of them. < 1286681073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this *just for Japanese text*. < 1286681077 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those may be equivalent :P < 1286681084 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, UTF-16-LE is different from UTF-16-BE. < 1286681085 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same for -32 < 1286681092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here's the thing. You need to implement *all of them* for a Japanese localisation. < 1286681102 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, UTF-99, which I just made up. < 1286681125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, UTF-9 and UTF-18, which are real things. < 1286681132 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes yes. Japanese sucks. And everybody who speaks it (through tar-filled lungs) is terrible. WE KNOW! < 1286681145 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and UTF-7, right? < 1286681150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Written Chinese is worse. < 1286681175 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"through tar-filled lungs"? I suddenly suspect there are whole layers of meaning here that I'm not catching < 1286681191 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: All Japanese men smoke. ALL OF THEM. < 1286681194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hong Kong, Taiwan, and PRC all defined their own completely different standards, you see. < 1286681197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: He's right. < 1286681204 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in favor of whatever works, just some things work so badly / slowly / or not at all !!!! < 1286681225 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's interesting. It never occurred to me before. But it's probably true. < 1286681228 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hong Kong is part of PRC now (but I digress...) < 1286681237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: They still do their own standards. < 1286681248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's owned by the PRC, but it's politically mostly-distinct for the time being. < 1286681254 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taiwan is too (according to PRC) but they disagree < 1286681263 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taiwan is not owned by the prc < 1286681270 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any sense but according to the prc's fantasy world < 1286681278 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Unicode is the *only thing* that works for handling international text, and just about the only thing that works for single-language text. < 1286681283 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Neighbors the Yamadas < 1286681295 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :single-language? uh ... heh < 1286681308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(English could get away without it if we could *just agree on ASCII*. But no, have to expand the higher 7 bits) < 1286681308 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And yet, it is the official policy of any country wanting to do trade with China (e.g. us) that Taiwan IS owned by the PRC. < 1286681332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The official policy of the US is that Taiwan both IS and ISNT owned by the PRC. < 1286681361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We both don't recognise Taiwan as a seperate country and legally mandate that they are a seperate country. < 1286681370 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet :P < 1286681398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and we are legally obligated to supply them with as many arms as they request. < 1286681453 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum mechanics meets foreign policy < 1286681457 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Are you familiar with mojibake (文字化け)? < 1286681462 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if Taiwan actually went to war with China, there is no question that we would take Taiwan's side. < 1286681464 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286681502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what happens when text in one character encoding gets interpreted as a different encoding. < 1286681538 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PLEASE tell me the name comes from something simple interpreted in the wrong encoding? < 1286681563 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Esperanto? (yeah, I knew you'd hate that) ... just saying, Unicode is fine in moderately reasonable doses ;-) < 1286681563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The *only* languages that has this end up in even slightly readable text are the ones using the Roman alphabet, because most encodings are a superset of ASCII. < 1286681567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nope. < 1286681583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: D'awwwww :( < 1286681590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: We are legally obligated to take Taiwan's side. < 1286681603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Changed characters", BTW. < 1286681613 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: We're legally obligated to respect the land claims of Native Americans. < 1286681616 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we still have troops in dang Korea, for freak's sake!!! it's been 60 years!!! < 1286681623 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still a war < 1286681636 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, those krazy korean gov'ts < 1286681652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: Yeah, we are still at war with North Korea. So... Yeah. < 1286681666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wasn't it ended recently < 1286681670 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we who? U.S.? < 1286681688 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all a formality < 1286681689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :America was never officially at war with N. Korea was it? It was a UN police action, so there was no formal declaration of war from us? Or is that a total lie? < 1286681691 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not really at war < 1286681701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU DON'T SAY < 1286681716 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1950-3 was the Korean War, very bloody, U.S. vs. Chinese??? < 1286681724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Nope. < 1286681747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: In 1953, the *cease fire* was signed. < 1286681798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rugxulo: "We" being the United Nations. < 1286681837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under the command of the USA. < 1286681910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, apparently the war is de jure between the South and the North, with the US in command of the South. < 1286681955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not over. < 1286682546 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any programming languages from south korea. < 1286682552 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :know of. < 1286682575 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not true. < 1286682587 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only programming language from south korea i know of, is an esolang. < 1286682909 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a guy who made a Han-capable Forth < 1286682918 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hForth perhaps (I forget) < 1286682926 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, I've heard of that Korean esolang, barely < 1286682949 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hForth ran in DOS, no less ;-) < 1286682986 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I dunno, computers got too complicated somewhere along the way, now nobody can barely use them they're so confusing and inefficient < 1286683018 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all because pikhq had to have his silly Unicode ;-) j/k < 1286683127 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, just because I demand Unicode doesn't mean I want complexity. < 1286683135 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, it was a joke < 1286683150 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hate Unicode, really, and I'm no xenophobe :-P < 1286683157 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think DOS was a decent OS, for instance. :P < 1286683180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limited, to be sure, but there's a certain charm to it as well. < 1286683192 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extremely minimal, upgraded in very small pieces, modular (though not really portable) < 1286683212 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, when the IBM PC 5150 only came with 16 kb of RAM (!), what else could you run??? < 1286683219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPM. < 1286683220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286683228 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CP/M-86 wasn't out yet < 1286683234 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was way more expensive < 1286683251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beside the point. < 1286683306 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays you need at least 200 kb free just to run DOS (bloat!!!) ;-)) < 1286683404 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just bugs me when people act like you can't even edit a text file without 600 MB of RAM < 1286683422 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, there are a few different Unicode editors for DOS (of varying abilities) < 1286683771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bnobody acts like that < 1286683773 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strawman fallacy < 1286683834 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they do < 1286683985 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they do not < 1286684065 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, gotta reboot < 1286684069 0 :Rugxulo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854] < 1286684807 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see more languages like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgoPl35n_AY < 1286684812 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't suppose i will < 1286685073 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286685090 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286685165 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286685579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> (what is it about BSDs that attracts drama, btw?) <-- it's right there in the name. bondage, sadomasochism and drama. < 1286685847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1286685847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1286685849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286686308 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you keep some unusual hours < 1286686325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1286687646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cpressey> the only programming language from south korea i know of, is an esolang. < 1286687659 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we _do_ have a regular from there, you know < 1286687670 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/User:Tokigun < 1286687718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY THATS CLEARLY NOT SOUTH KOREAN. ONLY AMERICA HAS INTERNET < 1286687743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Wait. lifthrasiir is from South Korea? < 1286687754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/whois says so < 1286687764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Never realised. < 1286687788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Incidentally, what's the etymology of lifthrasiir and/or tokigun? < 1286687801 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the esotope project, too < 1286687812 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: he's been idle for 11 days so don't expect _too_ quick an answer < 1286687813 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had not realized. < 1286687847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, well, I'm patient. < 1286687997 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TASes are so ridiculous < 1286688076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robot. Cars.; < 1286688083 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google has a fleet of robot cars. < 1286688099 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we discuessed this already < 1286688104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but whoa. < 1286688121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds User:Puzzlet Chung, User:SteloKim, User:Tokigun and User:Gs30ng < 1286688240 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the languages Aheui, Udage and Versert. < 1286688500 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Versert link was broken for me though :( < 1286688668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mearie.org/projects/versert/ works < 1286688805 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION edits wiki < 1286688951 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i presume that might end up in korean for some people < 1286688959 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably won't complain :D < 1286688962 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unclear if the registers have unbounded space or not < 1286688963 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is vital < 1286688985 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it complained to me about not having a norwegian version) < 1286689010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it *actually doing language negotiation*? < 1286689025 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonderful. < 1286689061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, the English sucks. < 1286689070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sssh ;D < 1286689101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously human-written English, though. Which helps a lot. < 1286689120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell of a lot easier to read through grammar mistakes than through the sheer randomness that is machine translation. < 1286689264 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no norweigian for YOU, oerjan! < 1286689283 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only Swedish Chef! < 1286689290 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faens utlendinger som ikke kan snakke ordentlig! < 1286689329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about utlanning? < 1286689331 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i liked the vlaah-python page, only available in Hangul. Of course, the Python example code is englishish. So you can try to figure out what the package provides, sort of! < 1286689346 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: utlanning isn't a word < 1286689366 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is in English. < 1286689367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286689373 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1286689393 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Granted, mostly in the context of the Ender's Game series, by Orson Scott Card, but still. < 1286689428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Strangers of one's own species & culture. < 1286689435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. it's obviously from swedish utlänning. < 1286689443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1286689497 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case yeah, that's a cognate to what i wrote. < 1286689507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Likewise with framling, varelse, and djur. < 1286689549 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian would be fremmed, vesen, and dyr. < 1286689578 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think. < 1286689603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally, "stranger", "being", and "animal". < 1286689617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1286689675 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Referring to a stranger of one's own species but different culture, an intelligent species with which communication is impossible, and monsters, respectively. < 1286689712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ramen, coming from who-knows-where, refers to another intelligence species with which communication & peaceful coexistence is possible.) < 1286689781 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not raman? that's what showed up in the google hits for utlanning < 1286689802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raman might be singular, hell if I know. < 1286689831 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is such a whore when it comes to vocabulary. < 1286690176 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trebly so for made-up vocabulary < 1286690198 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, I did just say that so I could use 'trebly' in a sentence) < 1286690218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Vejn < 1286690255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there is an adjective "rå", meaning raw. maybe it's a composition... < 1286690264 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: means nothing to me < 1286690294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "Win". < 1286690295 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that the last part is pluralized like man/men < 1286690696 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-89-10.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286690857 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1286691046 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-89-10.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286691056 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-66-169.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286691056 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286691056 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286691256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The BBC has estabilished a new guideline for science reporting. < 1286691274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All science news stories must now link to the paper in question. < 1286691608 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it because of that satyrical article < 1286692090 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION back < 1286692301 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: lifthrasiir comes from Lífþrasir; tokigun roughly translates to Mr. Rabbit ("Toki" + "-gun"). I have chosen them to simply avoid duplicates. < 1286692323 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and not using arbitrary numbers) < 1286692427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Meaning of Lífþrasir? < 1286692432 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, they still can report total garbage papers that shouldn't have been published (due to severe shortcomings) as gospel... < 1286692443 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%ADf_and_L%C3%ADf%C3%BErasir < 1286692451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norse myth < 1286692454 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More unfortunately, what if they can't link the journal because it isn't available online? < 1286692455 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1286692461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah. < 1286692478 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: DOI? < 1286692484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly he's aiming to be the one to survive 2012, here < 1286692487 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOI? < 1286692512 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds it somewhat curious that Korean also has honorific suffixes... < 1286692529 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digital object identifier. Mainly used for unique identification of documents, like papers. < 1286692540 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286692549 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a link! < 1286692550 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That IS headache even for native speakers. < 1286692558 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like papers that mix up animal fats and techno fats... All the relevant scientists should know better not to do that kind of "research". < 1286692564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i've read that korean grammar parallels japanese in many ways < 1286692581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: From what I've seen of Korean grammar, it's fucking uncanny. < 1286692581 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: That's shame, but that would be the best approximation to links... < 1286692616 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which *suggests* to me that Korean & Japonic are actually related languages. < 1286692624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well Language families. < 1286692633 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: or they might have had a strong sprachbund < 1286692655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Damned strong sprachbund. < 1286692682 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286692688 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And would have to have been rather long ago... < 1286692703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The apparently-cognate grammar features have been in both languages at least as long as they've been written. < 1286692734 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i read at one time that there are two languages in india in neigboring village or so that have exactly parallel grammars, but one is dravidian and the other indo-aryan < 1286692741 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*villages < 1286692777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well that last part should also be considered vague) < 1286692796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: I can imagine the honorifics are a headache. Sure are in Japanese. < 1286692805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but are the endings _phonetically_ similar? < 1286692845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't have that impression, although he hasn't actually _seen_ examples < 1286693135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, there are a number of proposed cognates... < 1286693195 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Please to quit. < 1286693333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, hard to demonstrate without a time machine. < 1286693376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the proposed Altaic cognates are merely *plausible*...) < 1286693504 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and it's hard to just go out and point out random cognates in the two languages *now* because there's so much borrowing from Chinese that fully half of the vocabulary is cognate now. < 1286693553 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sf idea: a korean/japanese researcher far in the future takes a time machine back to japan/korea to settle the matter. naturally he ends up founding the language he goes to investigate - a thousands of years descendant of the other < 1286693562 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*back to ancient < 1286693573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be pretty great. < 1286693657 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually all the chinese loans might mess up that theory a bit... < 1286693710 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe have a competing researcher from the other country for nice time-loop ness < 1286694190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except the Chinese loans are one of the best documented things in linguistics. < 1286694255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The words composed from originally-Chinese morphemes are freaking called 漢語 [kango] (Chinese words) in Japanese. < 1286694451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they would mess up the time travel theory :D < 1286694463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1286696052 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286696222 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286696780 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286697044 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286697524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286697599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286697600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286698122 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i have this theory that japanese comes from the mongolian empire somehow < 1286698188 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :japanese is syntactically very similar to hungarian and finnish < 1286698216 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think about the expansion of the mongolian empire, that's where the troops have or would have stopped if they started in mongolia < 1286698282 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that went on for many years, certainly long enough to teach the locals how to write and to start talking with them (mongolians were not xenophobic, they cooperated with the skilled workers of the nations they were trying to conquer in fact) < 1286699256 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286699799 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee. < 1286699808 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VSTi's are better than SoundFonts. < 1286699813 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, duh. < 1286699892 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286700289 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet-vst-2010-10-10.ogg Observe how my op. 11 string quartet becomes almost tolerable when played through a (free!) VSTi! < 1286700313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as good as it would be on real instruments, but an enormous improvement from anything else I've been able to do thusfar! < 1286701115 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286701808 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-246-22.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286704569 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy 42 day! < 1286704880 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in 10 minutes < 1286704899 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it'll be 10/10/10 10:10:10 !!! < 1286704910 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1286704911 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC!!!!!! < 1286704975 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286705000 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286705059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in fact i had an alarm clock beep me up at the most important second of my life < 1286705067 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1286705069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was up already but anyway < 1286705072 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pounces oklopol < 1286705076 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1286705089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay kebab place opened < 1286705102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats oklopol's kebab < 1286705108 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1286705114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well aren't you being mean < 1286705118 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that kebab ;o < 1286705123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh! < 1286705127 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1286705137 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one made of lamb meat and yogurt sauce and pita! < 1286705145 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom < 1286705150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's okay i can just buy two < 1286705179 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1286705239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning, sleep warning. < 1286705256 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was stupid < 1286705260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to take a dump -> < 1286705543 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286705633 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286705635 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmt is now utc+1 < 1286705640 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so utc is in one hour < 1286705749 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitwhat? < 1286705829 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BST is definitely still in effect. < 1286705837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what you meant. < 1286706162 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat is released today (10/10/10) to get "the perfect 10" < 1286706164 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1286706842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, god. < 1286706854 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I bother doing a full dist upgrade today? < 1286707920 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286708409 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286708635 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286708637 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should < 1286708652 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: happy 10/10/10 10:10:10.10101010101010101010.. < 1286708653 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1286708678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: heh < 1286708683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was aware that time was coming up < 1286708683 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in 7 minutes < 1286708685 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a wish < 1286708688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me it isn't < 1286708690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in UTC+1 < 1286708698 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv it's about UTC < 1286708706 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in UTC+2 < 1286709440 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :utc+2 ftw! < 1286709576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, North Korea just got its own TLD < 1286709587 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they actually run themselves, rather than delegating to the Chinese < 1286709775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286710021 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286710703 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, i have never noticed that ubuntu has someplan9 packages < 1286710707 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some plan9 packages < 1286710724 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9wm is an X window manager which attempts to emulate the Plan 9 window < 1286710724 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :manager 8-1/2 as far as possible within the constraints imposed by X. < 1286710733 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9base is a port of following original Plan 9 userland tools to Unix: < 1286710733 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awk, basename, bc, cat, cleanname, date, dc, echo, grep, mk, rc, sed, seq, < 1286710733 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep, sort, tee, test, touch, tr, uniq, and yacc. < 1286711682 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look. The Software Centre has started offering software to buy. < 1286711731 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this counts as shark-jumpery. < 1286712515 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it counts, since they said they're going to when they introduced the Software Centre. < 1286712713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, was that shark-jumpery? < 1286712723 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, they make all kinds of rhetoric about freedom. < 1286713061 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286713120 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286713121 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you see, you are free to not buy stuff. (They'll be introducing a limit of minimum monthly purchases in 2012; if you buy less than that, it'll start to disable features like 3D acceleration one by one.) < 1286713125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: not true.) < 1286713683 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if they did do that, someone would just patch it out < 1286713694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they probably wouldn't try, so as to not spoil their reputation < 1286713720 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286713856 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286713901 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286713910 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-103.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1286714887 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// In C there is no boolean type; a condition is true if < 1286714893 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// it equals 1 and is false otherwise. < 1286714902 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :// For clarity, we can define some preprocessor aliases. < 1286714906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define TRUE 1 < 1286714908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define FALSE 0 < 1286714914 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... < 1286714931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm teaching a bit of C as well as Java, now; if this is what I have to work from, it could be "interesting"...) < 1286715160 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently all discrete math is done in CS in most unis, so people who do research on the topological aspects of cellular automata will get to teach a bit of java as well < 1286715189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm certainly lucky to live in this particular university < 1286715193 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286715228 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286715229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That sort of thing is just asking for someone to fail all "if (isalpha(c) == TRUE)"-like. < 1286715238 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1286715245 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will berate the lecturer at the next chance I get < 1286715272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(are the ctype.h functions the only standard library ones that can return booleans that aren't 0/1?) < 1286715411 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isfinite() and isinf() are defined to return "a nonzero value". < 1286715423 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And isnan/isnormal/signbit too. < 1286715426 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1286715443 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, that's in case they're implemented with bit-twiddling on the float value interpreted as an int < 1286715447 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a plausible way to do it on some platforms < 1286715492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: "The raise function returns zero if successful, nonzero if unsuccessful." < 1286715512 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not very "boolean" anyway. < 1286715514 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAISE? < 1286715516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*raise < 1286715522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that sends a signal. < 1286715528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286715576 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286715798 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who here eats muesli? < 1286715818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would if someone bought them < 1286715837 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have found the ultimate muesli fruit < 1286715872 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286715908 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's not that interesting though < 1286715931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286716124 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286716175 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286718792 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some deep and meaningful connection between the harmonic numbers and ln? < 1286718831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286718836 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@xdsl-83-150-123-242.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1286719360 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1286719364 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the riemann zeta function < 1286719481 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the limit of n\rightarrow \infty, the generalized harmonic number converges to the Riemann zeta function < 1286719481 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \lim_{n\rightarrow \infty} H_{n,m} = \zeta(m). < 1286719508 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H_n = H_n,1 of course < 1286719744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where does ln fit in? < 1286720001 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's very simple < 1286720041 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\Zeta' (0, 1+a) = \Zeta' (0, a) + ln a < 1286720343 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have finally found a media player which is cooler than deadbeef < 1286720346 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is aqualung < 1286720736 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286720767 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a WPA2 PSK authentication happens, one side sents out the salted hash of the key, and the other side computes their own version, and checks the hashes for equality, yes? < 1286721056 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286721351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed the PSK mode doesn't really do any authentication exchanges, it just derives the main CCMP encryption key from the passphrase. There's a MAC in the packet anyway, so wrong-key packets get discarded. But that was completely a guess, I've never looked into how it works. < 1286721725 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286721874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:09:48 <cheater00> japanese is syntactically very similar to hungarian and finnish < 1286721878 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:10:16 <cheater00> if you think about the expansion of the mongolian empire, that's where the troops have or would have stopped if they started in mongolia < 1286721898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately the timing is _severely_ off for that theory. < 1286721969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, any relation between hungarian/finnish (uralic languages) and japanese predates the mongol empire (1200's) by thousands of years. < 1286722045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the uralic languages are one of the _best_ attested language families, iirc it was the first to be discovered. < 1286722190 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also both finnish and hungarian have been seriously europeanized. in fact just today i saw hungarian listed as the one non-indoeuropean language in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Average_European < 1286722264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(finnish isn't quite as affected - it has no articles for one thing, although neither does some other eastern european languages such as russian and polish.) < 1286722321 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however one europeanization i recall that finnish has but not hungarian is adjective/noun agreement < 1286722368 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there might be others i just don't know about) < 1286722484 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: oh and one even more damning fact: japan was never conquered by the mongol empire :D < 1286722524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually i don't think the finns were either, not sure about the hungarians) < 1286722548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the finns were already busy being conquered by the swedes) < 1286722562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's adjective/noun agreement? < 1286722584 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: case and number, iirc in finnish < 1286722593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286722617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course other languages have gender as well / instead, and norwegian and swedish have definiteness < 1286722655 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while in hungarian adjectives are not inflected for case or number unless they're used alone < 1286722679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about estonian? < 1286722681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should know < 1286722681 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact even _nouns_ aren't inflected for number if there is an actual number word before them < 1286722692 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about estonian < 1286722698 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should < 1286722714 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty close to finnish but i don < 1286722750 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheheh you accidentally < 1286722751 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'t know if it has agreement, given that that was borrowed afaiu from other european languages < 1286722841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<oerjan> novay" oh because it sounds a bit like nivat < 1286722865 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as for verb/noun agreement, hungarian has _more_ of that than either finnish or the others ... but basque has even more i've read) < 1286722912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in hungarian in addition to person/number agreement with the subject there is also definiteness agreement with the _object_) < 1286722925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: took you long enough ;D < 1286723029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<oklopol> you've hallucinated?" "<oklopol> are you still in that institution thing" <<< my train of thought may be embarrassingly obvious :D < 1286723038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh so maybe he really was crazy!" < 1286723051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i don't remember what my train of thought was) < 1286723071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably ran off the tracks, crashed and exploded < 1286723190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is funny < 1286723206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you play piano as a kid < 1286723251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall there were two attempts to teach it to me < 1286723281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but did your parents send you to take piano lessons < 1286723283 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the complete lack of a piano in our home probably did not help < 1286723295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like your cousin tried to teach you something < 1286723301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1286723315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it makes sense < 1286723338 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was lessons, somewhat < 1286723370 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i got started on either Madeleine of Für Elise, not quite sure which is which < 1286723370 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didn't expect any kind of dedication, although maybe more than 2 lessons < 1286723381 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was one each time < 1286723382 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fur elise is 767672530 < 1286723401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno madeleine by name < 1286723432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's chromatic scale, e eb e eb e h d c a on the retarded scale < 1286723438 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the teachers was the neighboring kid. he went on to a career as a musician, as did his brother < 1286723498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you lived in a small neighborhood < 1286723522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that makes sense, have you lived in trondheim all your life < 1286723527 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no < 1286723528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whateverheim < 1286723550 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i come from a small town by the name of Sandnessjøen < 1286723589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you move to trondheim with your parents or later on by yourself < 1286723595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what color underwear do you prefer < 1286723603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i moved to trondheim to start university < 1286723614 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but alone? < 1286723619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parents never moved < 1286723620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that much was obvious < 1286723622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1286723635 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all < 1286723639 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR NOW < 1286723651 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from my dad moving house within the town < 1286723723 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... are your parents divorced? < 1286723733 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very that was ally < 1286723739 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soprry < 1286723751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sorry < 1286723757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was probably adeline not madeleine < 1286723758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'm not completely sopr yet huh?!? < 1286723784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you were ordered to stop pretending! < 1286723790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :divorced when i was 10 < 1286723812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286723813 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286723831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see that coming < 1286723856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286723882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't know adeline was that new, thought it was something classic < 1286723916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uk2q1dP_t8 ? < 1286723962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here? i have something to say to you. ou realy wanna make feels people, the begenning it have to be slow and feel what are you playing. i know that it beautiful how you played but you need feelings. < 1286723977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1286723983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was it) < 1286723984 0 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-119-166.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1286723998 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;f < 1286724021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: do you wanna make feels people? < 1286724031 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm starting to think you really _are_ drunk < 1286724043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286724120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had this tiny hangoverlet all day, but the only thing i was gonna do today was referee this paper and that tiny bit of not being at my 100%est makes that impossible < 1286724124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i've just been staring at this computer < 1286724147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point being: i referee papers now, isn't that just so cool < 1286724159 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know hangoverlets gave you atrocious spelling < 1286724184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did i fail at spelling? < 1286724186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286724191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that youtube comment? < 1286724198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was a paste? :D < 1286724198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a youtube comment, actually < 1286724209 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that makes more sense then :D < 1286724222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have to be pretty drunk to tell someone they play well but lack FEELING < 1286724241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you bash the right keys at the right time, you're playing perfectly < 1286724277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i think there is more to it than just timing < 1286724301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, all notes must be bashed at the same force < 1286724303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximal force < 1286724319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...TOO MUCH FEELING < 1286724332 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: whaaa? < 1286724343 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hangoverlet :D < 1286724360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's a perfectly cromulent word < 1286724367 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cromulent :D < 1286724387 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-let is an all-purpose diminutive suffix < 1286724401 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if nooga is failing at memes there < 1286724407 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and cromulent itself is probably *the* most cromulent word there is < 1286724426 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: especially in this situation < 1286724442 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286724454 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that < 1286724485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now you've been embiggened < 1286724486 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i've always wanted to know is whether memes have always existed < 1286724516 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't even seen that episode < 1286724535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286724537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoosh < 1286724548 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but absorbing memes from the internet, yessir < 1286724549 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- whoosh here < 1286724569 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- bad case of the whooshs < 1286724577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1286724596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_the_Iconoclast < 1286724670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's from simpsons :D < 1286724684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was xkcd :D < 1286724741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<oerjan> but absorbing memes from the internet, yessir" <<< you think even internet memes have always existed? < 1286724746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit radical imo < 1286724845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did i say that < 1286724861 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you were referring to oh okaty < 1286724864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okaty tokayt < 1286724878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew i misunderstood, but didn't feel like thinking so i asked < 1286724893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah thinking is _so_ last millennium < 1286724931 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's so last interval between two non-primitive words < 1286724955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286724968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wem < 1286724970 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*erm < 1286724975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to explain, surely you see what i mean < 1286725012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hint: what's special about today) < 1286725033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for whether memes have always existed, i recall someone pointing out how much of shakespeare's work consists of long forgotten inside jokes < 1286725057 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or forgotten by everyone not a shakespeare scholar, anyway < 1286725090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes but did you get me < 1286725170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for special about today i'm well-prepared, as the VG paper had an article about kids with their 10th birthday today < 1286725186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for everybody's convenience, w^+ is primitive if there is no u in A^+ and n > 1 such that w = u^n < 1286725189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286725200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*... w \in A^+ is primitive ... < 1286725229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vg is...? < 1286725246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that out-pointing was by Randall Munroe. < 1286725247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second largest norwegian newspaper < 1286725249 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.E.D. < 1286725251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1286725266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ah. < 1286725302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He phrased it as "hey, I've read annotated Shakespeare look how insightful I am." < 1286725327 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...haters gonna hate ;D < 1286725347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's just that that one really hit a nerve... < 1286725384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's annotated shakespeare < 1286725400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a voiceover < 1286725431 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps he was exumed and used as writing paper? < 1286725442 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe, maybe < 1286725449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats oklopol and olsner -----### < 1286725454 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1286725476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, *exhumed < 1286725505 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from latin humus, meaning iirc soil < 1286725511 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because no one's still acknowledged my joke, 101010101010 = (10)^6, which is not primitive < 1286725632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well just two more years until this stops < 1286725679 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a non-primitive second next year < 1286725688 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101011101011 < 1286725707 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but clearly (?) no other one this year < 1286725732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every non-primitive second must have a period of 6 < 1286725736 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what does primitive word mean? < 1286725740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just defined it < 1286725757 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for everybody's convenience, w \in A^+ is primitive if there is no u \in A^+ and n > 1 such that w = u^n < 1286725773 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: erm why not 4 < 1286725776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what combinatorics of words people think of as the "primes" < 1286725782 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286725784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you got me < 1286725791 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1286725811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that notation should be biggest to smallest and not a random order like the one that's used in english < 1286725836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the obvious one next year is of course 111111111111 < 1286725852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and < 1286725862 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101011101011 is tomorrow :D < 1286725874 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't remember days and months change during a year < 1286725899 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is funny < 1286725994 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well from 2024 on there will be fewer non-primitive seconds < 1286725995 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there should be a trivial reason for why 101010101010 is the only one today < 1286726017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean in general < 1286726053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the period must divide either 4 or 6 < 1286726063 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both give the same continuation of 101010 < 1286726082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it true that if w = uv, |u| = |v|, then if w is not primitive, u = v < 1286726089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286726096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc not... < 1286726133 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like for instance 101010 < 1286726163 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway just one choice for v < 1286726176 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1286726188 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :101110 can be continued in two ways < 1286726198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1286726203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it can < 1286726223 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one with period 4, one with period 6 < 1286726223 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :smallest example i think < 1286726230 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286726235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :121 < 1286726240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*010 < 1286726247 0 :alise!~alise@91.105.99.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286726252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i guess you wanted it for our case) < 1286726262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moon, boom, go! < 1286726264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: omg hi < 1286726266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you came back<33 < 1286726268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286726275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the moon < 1286726276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we're doing higher math with oerjan < 1286726278 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you lay-ped my game???? < 1286726279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286726283 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't understand < 1286726304 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is being particularly silly today < 1286726305 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well umm < 1286726308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say i haven't < 1286726312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see how it goes < 1286726326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably due to long-time #esoteric abstinence < 1286726330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286726331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1286726340 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your the only thing keeping me together < 1286726343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*'re < 1286726399 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a conjecture that said something like f, g primitive => fg^+ contains exactly one primitive word < 1286726432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that months have smaller range than minutes and days have smaller range than seconds, so only the year itself can prevent a day from having a non-primitive second of period 6 < 1286726441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps s/primitive/unbordered/ < 1286726452 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this happens from 2024 < 1286726477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286726485 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good note < 1286726493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but will there be years without any then < 1286726495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286726496 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 2024-2030 will still have period 4 ones < 1286726503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1286726507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er -2031 < 1286726516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you start with 99, you can't get 99 anywhere on the last half < 1286726535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of them will? < 1286726539 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 2032 those are excluded as well because you cannot have a big enough day < 1286726540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm hrm < 1286726555 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm trying to write a python script that attempts to guess a password based on how long the system takes to reject a password < 1286726561 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't work :D < 1286726596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :period 2's are easy < 1286726619 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes but those are all included in 4 and 6 < 1286726633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess :D < 1286726636 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this argument < 1286726638 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 3's < 1286726650 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are included in 6 < 1286726655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1286726664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh erm < 1286726683 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :period, right, period < 1286726710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay you're right ofc < 1286726774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 and 6 are the maximal proper factors of 12, because 12 only has two prime factors and 4 = 12/3, 6 = 12/2 < 1286726793 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286726950 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee < 1286726993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee what < 1286727008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2029/02 is the first whole _month_ without a non-primitive second, i think < 1286727141 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we need to go past 2024, then 25xx25xx25xx works for a while for any month, and same up to 28 < 1286727146 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no more until 2030/02, 2031/02, then 2031/04, /06, /09, /11, and all from 2032 onwards < 1286727147 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1286727155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that pattern works for a while < 1286727160 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1286727193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 290129012901 works, but 290229022902 doesn't, because 2902 is not a leap year < 1286727231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286727259 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could probably publish this < 1286727267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1286727280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286727329 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, i shall follow my tradition of leaving nearly all the actual writing to my co-authors < 1286727338 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286727348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'd have a better chance with the toi's tcness proof < 1286727351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you there? < 1286727368 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that's what people do in discrete math, come up with a random esolang and program stuff on it < 1286727382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe a slight exaggeration there) < 1286727386 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286727402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very slight < 1286727441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was refering to my tradition, not to discrete math. i'm sure you're _entirely_ accurate there. yeah. < 1286727441 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, got it to work < 1286727446 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but i cheated) < 1286727452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286727517 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no surprise there < 1286727541 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, what was the method? < 1286727631 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perform a statistic on the time it takes the victim to reject your passwords < 1286727743 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@80.229.122.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286727933 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Brainfuck and example of Harvard architecture? < 1286727947 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: Yes. < 1286727955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu 10.10 is out. Ho hum. < 1286727982 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought so, wasn't sure if there was a good reason otherwise. < 1286727988 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: how was your 42 day? < 1286727992 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you make a wish? < 1286728157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: well there is always the distinct possibility that i am wrong :D < 1286728162 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you can make a wish? it's still not over here... < 1286728382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ubuntu.com/sites/default/files/active/maverick/U2.1_photos_01_large.jpg ITT: Totally Not iPhoto < 1286728505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ubuntu.com/sites/default/files/active/maverick/U2.1_games_01_large.jpg What... what the hell are these meant to be? Strangest Worms clone ever. < 1286728535 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, they're hedgehogs. < 1286728550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly they are just worms wearing masks < 1286728687 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[03:54:42 <Phantom_Hoover> Oh, look. The Software Centre has started offering software to buy.]] < 1286728688 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF < 1286728704 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so you agree with the shark-jumpery? < 1286728778 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I thought they dropped that idea when they renamed it from Store to Centre. < 1286728793 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may refuse to upgrade out of protest and to have an excuse not to bother. < 1286728800 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my /home is now on a separate partition, so I'm all up to some OS changing. < 1286728806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Kitten. < 1286728818 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Quadrant or whatever I'll call the damn thing! < 1286728824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mitosis? < 1286728835 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Mitosis isn't going to evolve into a usable OS for about 10 years :P < 1286728840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's more like a bunch of experiements. < 1286728843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Quadrant, then? < 1286728848 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those jpg's of things you can buy? < 1286728854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A UNIX-alike operating system. < 1286728866 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a Linux distro, since it's quite possible that it'll be based on BSD. < 1286728873 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it will be nice! < 1286728936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, the Software Centre is trying to be the App Store. < 1286729017 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1286729020 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's ok < 1286729031 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows is the only thing that doesn't have one now < 1286729036 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha, windows! ha, ha! < 1286729043 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and osx too < 1286729044 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1286729051 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@u's < 1286729053 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider, though, the implications. < 1286729057 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11494729 < 1286729072 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: people get paid for their work. earth-shattering. < 1286729115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, we are talking about "Freedom freedom happy happy" OS, remember? < 1286729169 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there is about a quintillion commercial applications you can pay for on ?n*x|bsd < 1286729184 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/?/* < 1286729262 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286729355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does make the hype on the home page -- "Ubuntu applications are all free and open source – so you can share them with anyone you like, as often as you like" -- a tiny bit misleading, though. Not that I claim everything in Software Centre should be counted in "all -- Ubuntu applications", but still. < 1286729380 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's misleading indeed < 1286729507 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< pikhq> The BBC has estabilished a new guideline for science reporting. < pikhq> All science news stories must now link to the paper in question. < 1286729511 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bravo for them < 1286729701 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-89-10.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286729732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes -- behind a paywall. < 1286729782 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still better than being given the link to the journal's site. < 1286729790 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or worse, a university's. < 1286729792 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286729801 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need an organised system for pirating papers :) < 1286729810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a website where you post a reference of some sort, and an anonymous benefactor posts the pdf < 1286729820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's emailed directly to you or something, so it doesn't go through the server < 1286729874 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286730038 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> and will berate the lecturer at the next chance I get <-- C is always taught like this in universities though. "This function returns a void * for abstraction" is another one of my favourites < 1286730100 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what's that in response to < 1286730102 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1286730137 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> and will berate the lecturer at the next chance I get < 1286730218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct way to teach c is not to < 1286730234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, the correct way to teach C is after something else. < 1286730242 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm also of the opinion that everyone should know c < 1286730254 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :void * is the greatest bottom ever. < 1286730257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe i'll agree with yours < 1286730263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAKE THAT IN WHICHEVER WAY YOU WISH < 1286730279 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it :DD (i think) < 1286730354 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, void * isn't a bottom type, is it? < 1286730376 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not technically, since only pointer types convert to it. < 1286730384 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm a heap kinda guy :P < 1286730433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said what what, in the void * < 1286730451 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< oerjan> (actually i don't think the finns were either, not sure about the hungarians) <-- the mongols got just short of hungary, it seems < 1286730598 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Idonno maybe Vorpal or somebody?, whoever might care: http://codu.org/tmp/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet-VSTi-2010-10-10.ogg Op. 11 string quartet, done by VSTi's, borderline tolerable (and slightly better than it was last night) < 1286730685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :op12 is the nonexistent one, yest? < 1286730685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HORRIBLE BULLSHIT MAN < 1286730688 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1286730689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION listens < 1286730759 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes < 1286730772 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why? < 1286730781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it not meant for mortal ears to hear? < 1286730806 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Because when it was 20 minutes long I went "wow, this is garbage" < 1286730824 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How garbage? < 1286730856 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not garbage enough that nothing was salvaged for op. 13, but garbage enough that a lot wasn't :P < 1286730931 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was garbagoid about it? < 1286730986 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had no consistency, so it just droned on and on. < 1286730993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sounds good to me! < 1286730995 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing to tie it together. < 1286731003 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION links 9/11 to 23 in simple, easy steps < 1286731017 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have WIPPs of it, feel free to listen to it. < 1286731053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9/11, backwards is 11/9 = 0.2 recurring. 2 = 1+1. So it's 0.1+11+11+11+1, and so on. 1+11 = 12. So 0.12+11+11+1, and so on. 12+11 = 23. Q.E.D. < 1286731141 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG NUMEROLOGY PROVES THAT YOU'RE EVIL < 1286731355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: too little pazazz for my taste, this music doesn't in any way *force* me to listen to it < 1286731382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why are you GRegor and not Gregor < 1286731387 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your name Gregor Regor Richards? < 1286731396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286731400 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: YOU MUST LISTEN TO IT! YOU MUSSSSST! Also, the main thing the VSTi's are doing in my opinion relative to an (imagined) real performance is muddying things. < 1286731403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"http://codu.org/tmp/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet-VSTi-2010-10-10.ogg" < 1286731408 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yup < 1286731420 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregoregoregoregoregoregoregoregoregor < 1286731428 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually my name is Gregor Regor Egor Gor Or R Richards < 1286731432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's what was going on < 1286731466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`choo Gregor < 1286731471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Gregor < 1286731471 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor regor egor gor or r < 1286731484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Gregor Richards < 1286731484 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor Richards regor Richards egor Richards gor Richards or Richards r Richards Richards Richards ichards chards hards ards rds ds s < 1286731487 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286731491 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Gregor Richards regor Richards egor Richards gor Richards or Richards r Richards Richards Richards ichards chards hards ards rds ds s < 1286731491 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geo ihrsrgrRcad grRcad o ihrso ihrsrRcad Rcad ihrsihrscad ad rsrsd ss d dasrhsrh dac dacRsrhi srhi dacRr dacRrgsrhi oesrhi oe dacRrgr < 1286731504 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Your new name is "Geo Ihrsrgr Rcard". < 1286731512 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Rcad < 1286731514 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Dutch. < 1286731518 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo and Gregor are one and the same! < 1286731526 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^choo Sgeo < 1286731531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Sgeo < 1286731531 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo geo eo o < 1286731537 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Sgeo geo eo o < 1286731538 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Se e oo eogog < 1286731541 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Seth Gold < 1286731542 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seth Gold eth Gold th Gold h Gold Gold Gold old ld d < 1286731546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Seth Gold eth Gold th Gold h Gold Gold Gold old ld d < 1286731546 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :St odehGl hGl od odGl l dd ldodo lG lGhdo tdo t lGhe < 1286731553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is now St odeh'Gl. < 1286731553 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^chew Sgeo < 1286731557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Gregor> pikhq, Idonno maybe Vorpal or somebody?, whoever might care: http://codu.org/tmp/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet-VSTi-2010-10-10.ogg Op. 11 string quartet, done by VSTi's, borderline tolerable (and slightly better than it was last night) <-- will listen in a bit, atm the listening conditions are rather bad due to loud powertools close to here < 1286731564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Satan MacGee < 1286731564 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satan MacGee atan MacGee tan MacGee an MacGee n MacGee MacGee MacGee acGee cGee Gee ee e < 1286731567 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho Phantom Hoover < 1286731567 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Hooverhantom Hooverantom Hooverntom Hoovertom Hooverom Hooverm Hoover HooverHooverooveroververerr < 1286731572 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Phantom Hooverhantom Hooverantom Hooverntom Hoovertom Hooverom Hooverm Hoover HooverHooverooveroververerr < 1286731572 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PatmHoehno ovrno ovrtmHoetmHoeo ovr ovrHoeHoeovrvreerrrveoeorvorvo eoHmeoHmrvo orvo oneoHmtaeoHmtarvo onh < 1286731580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is now Patm Hoehno. < 1286731584 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/:// < 1286731592 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoeovrvreerrrveoeorvorvo :D < 1286731606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Satan MacGee atan MacGee tan MacGee an MacGee n MacGee MacGee MacGee acGee cGee Gee ee e < 1286731606 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :StnMce tnMce a aGea aGenMce Mce aGeaGece e ee eeGeG ec ecMeGa eGa ecMn ecMnteGa aaeGa aa < 1286731614 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's Cherokee. < 1286731615 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that could be an esolang < 1286731633 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Elliott Hird < 1286731634 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott Hird lliott Hird liott Hird iott Hird ott Hird tt Hird t Hird Hird Hird ird rd d < 1286731635 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show choo < 1286731635 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]+32[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1286731640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show cho < 1286731640 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1286731642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286731646 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Ørjan Johannsen < 1286731646 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ørjan Johannsen rjan Johannsen rjan Johannsen jan Johannsen an Johannsen n Johannsen Johannsen Johannsen ohannsen hannsen annsen nnsen nsen sen en n < 1286731649 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (is that right?) < 1286731655 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Elliott Hird lliott Hird liott Hird iott Hird ott Hird tt Hird t Hird Hird Hird ird rd d < 1286731655 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ElotHr lotHr it idit idotHr tHr id idHr r dd rdidi rH rHtdi tdi t rHto rHtoldi tildi til < 1286731665 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you are now ElotHr. < 1286731666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I think it fails at utf-8, only to be expected < 1286731666 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Johansen < 1286731671 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: use ^cho < 1286731674 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get something longer for me < 1286731679 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho Xrjan Johansen < 1286731679 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xrjan Johansenrjan Johansenjan Johansenan Johansenn Johansen JohansenJohansenohansenhansenansennsensenenn < 1286731679 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Arvid Norlander < 1286731679 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arvid Norlander rvid Norlander vid Norlander id Norlander d Norlander Norlander Norlander orlander rlander lander ander nder der er r < 1286731684 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Xrjan Johansenrjan Johansenjan Johansenan Johansenn Johansen JohansenJohansenohansenhansenansennsensenenn < 1286731684 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XjnJhnera oasna oasnnJhnenJhne oasnoasnhnehneasnsneennnsenennsansaoenhJenhJnsao nsao aenhJnjenhJnjnsao ar < 1286731693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Arvid Norlander rvid Norlander vid Norlander id Norlander d Norlander Norlander Norlander orlander rlander lander ander nder der er r < 1286731693 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AvdNradrri olne i olne dNradrdNradr olne olne radrradrlne ne drdre rr e enrdarda enl enlordarNrdarN enlo enlo irdarNdvrdarNdv enlo ir < 1286731693 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is now Øjn Jhnera Oasna < 1286731701 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avd Nradrri < 1286731714 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho Elliott Hird < 1286731714 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I can't pronounce that :P < 1286731714 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott Hirdlliott Hirdliott Hirdiott Hirdott Hirdtt Hirdt Hird HirdHirdirdrdd < 1286731714 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Chris Pressey < 1286731715 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris Pressey hris Pressey ris Pressey is Pressey s Pressey Pressey Pressey ressey essey ssey sey ey y < 1286731719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Chris Pressey hris Pressey ris Pressey is Pressey s Pressey Pressey Pressey ressey essey ssey sey ey y < 1286731720 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrsPesyhi rse i rse sPesysPesy rse rse esyesyse e yy eysys es esrysePyseP esr esr iysePsrysePsr esr ih < 1286731728 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crs Pesyhi Rsei < 1286731730 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Elliott Hirdlliott Hirdliott Hirdiott Hirdott Hirdtt Hirdt Hird HirdHirdirdrdd < 1286731730 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ElotHrlit idit idotHrotHrt id idHrHridddrrdidi rHtrHtdi tdi tirHtolrHtoldi til < 1286731731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do me! < 1286731731 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do me! < 1286731732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho Elliott Hird < 1286731732 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott Hirdlliott Hirdliott Hirdiott Hirdott Hirdtt Hirdt Hird HirdHirdirdrdd < 1286731732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do me! < 1286731743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Elliott Hirdlliott Hirdliott Hirdiott Hirdott Hirdtt Hirdt Hird HirdHirdirdrdd < 1286731744 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ElotHrlit idit idotHrotHrt id idHrHridddrrdidi rHtrHtdi tdi tirHtolrHtoldi til < 1286731744 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you know what, you're just Hirdiott. < 1286731752 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286731754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Elliott Hird < 1286731754 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott Hird lliott Hird liott Hird iott Hird ott Hird tt Hird t Hird Hird Hird ird rd d < 1286731760 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show scramble < 1286731760 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1286731764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Elliott Hird lliott Hird liott Hird iott Hird ott Hird tt Hird t Hird Hird Hird ird rd d < 1286731764 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ElotHr lotHr it idit idotHr tHr id idHr r dd rdidi rH rHtdi tdi t rHto rHtoldi tildi til < 1286731771 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scramble scramble and run! < 1286731776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll be so cool xdxxxD < 1286731795 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, "oklopol" is too short. < 1286731799 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble >>,[>,]<[<]>[.>>]<[>>]<2[.<2] < 1286731799 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,>][][>][><[<]2.2]><>.><<,[> < 1286731816 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286731820 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is omnivorol the right spelling < 1286731822 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz < 1286731822 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acegikmoqsuwyzxvtrpnljhfdb < 1286731824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, wouldn't run alas < 1286731825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or omniovorol? < 1286731834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ominovorol < 1286731834 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo oklopol omniovorol < 1286731834 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol omniovorol klopol omniovorol lopol omniovorol opol omniovorol pol omniovorol ol omniovorol l omniovorol omniovorol omniovorol mniovorol niovorol iovorol ovorol vorol orol rol ol l < 1286731837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble >,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>] < 1286731837 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>[,<<>[><<>->]][][].[][]>, < 1286731840 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo oklopol ominovorol < 1286731840 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol ominovorol klopol ominovorol lopol ominovorol opol ominovorol pol ominovorol ol ominovorol l ominovorol ominovorol ominovorol minovorol inovorol novorol ovorol vorol orol rol ol l < 1286731840 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just reverse and interleave. < 1286731845 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble oklopol ominovorol klopol ominovorol lopol ominovorol opol ominovorol pol ominovorol ol ominovorol l ominovorol ominovorol ominovorol minovorol inovorol novorol ovorol vorol orol rol ol l < 1286731845 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286731845 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olploiooo lploiooo oo mnvrloo mnvrlploiooo loiooo mnvrl mnvrloiooo iooo nvrlnvrlooo oo rlrlo ll o oolrvlrv ooo oooilrvnmlrvnm oooio oooiollrvnm olrvnm o oooiolp oooiolpllrvnm ooklrvnm ook < 1286731849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol :D < 1286731850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is balanced < 1286731851 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cho oklopol ominovorol < 1286731851 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol ominovorolklopol ominovorollopol ominovorolopol ominovorolpol ominovorolol ominovoroll ominovorol ominovorolominovorolminovorolinovorolnovorolovorolvorolorolrololl < 1286731855 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble oklopol ominovorolklopol ominovorollopol ominovorolopol ominovorolpol ominovorolol ominovoroll ominovorol ominovorolominovorolminovorolinovorolnovorolovorolvorolorolrololl < 1286731855 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olploioookoo mnvrloo mnvrlploioooploioooo mnvrl mnvrloiooooiooomnvrlnvrloooooovrlrloolllroooolrvlrvnoooioooilrvnmlrvnm oooioloooiollrvnm olrvnm oooooiolploooiolpllrvnm ook < 1286731860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^choo Chris Pressey < 1286731861 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris Pressey hris Pressey ris Pressey is Pressey s Pressey Pressey Pressey ressey essey ssey sey ey y < 1286731862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >[,<<>[><<>->]][][].[][]>, < 1286731868 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286731869 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286731869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're now Olploioookoo Mnvrloo Mnvrlploioooploioooo < 1286731871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Chris Pressey hris Pressey ris Pressey is Pressey s Pressey Pressey Pressey ressey essey ssey sey ey y < 1286731871 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CrsPesyhi rse i rse sPesysPesy rse rse esyesyse e yy eysys es esrysePyseP esr esr iysePsrysePsr esr ih < 1286731871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just boring < 1286731882 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, you are CrsPesyhi. < 1286731891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf >+[,<<>[><<>->]][][].[][]>, < 1286731899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like olploioookoo < 1286731913 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like Mnvrloo. < 1286731917 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But which is better? < 1286731923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one way to find out! < 1286731926 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today (101010) is binary for 42... I still can't think of anything special to do. < 1286731991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: maybe stop using two-year digit systems, and if you won't do that, stop concatenating them together for no reason, and if you won't do that, stop interpreting them as binary for no reason? < 1286731996 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is seriously the stupidest day ever < 1286732013 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286732021 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, stop being mean to everyone. < 1286732039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never once insulted Mathnerd314. shut up. < 1286732047 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, you just did? < 1286732059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he insulted 42 day. < 1286732063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean "never before" < 1286732067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was being nice to Mathnerd314 < 1286732081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, we should use 6 digit years < 1286732092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh Mathnerd314, don't worry, you've been wasting time that was in no way special" < 1286732094 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I gather you don't like π-day either? < 1286732126 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: well. :) < 1286732134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it doesn't involve concatenating and then interpreting as binary < 1286732138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION becomes a holy man. < 1286732145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: there was discussion about the sublattice of non-primitive seconds (of the timeline) < 1286732148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble 101010 < 1286732148 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :111000 < 1286732151 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286732153 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like non-primitive seconds < 1286732157 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, TOTALLY HOLIER THAN THOU < 1286732170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :56 < 1286732175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what? < 1286732196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a holy man now, BITCH. < 1286732204 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me holier than thou. < 1286732230 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how did you become a holy man? < 1286732268 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1286732278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just completely characterized the sublattice! < 1286732282 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a chain! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1286732299 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314, I... err... didn't eat any... erm... unholy food... for a few days. < 1286732327 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-10-10 = 1990, welcome to the nineties! < 1286732338 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pork probably counts as unholy? < 1286732356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314, not when I poke a hole in it. < 1286732379 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION smacks his face < 1286732402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan would swat me, but I stole his swatter a while ago. < 1286732456 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Mathnerd314> Phantom_Hoover: how did you become a holy man? < 1286732460 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he finally got the hat < 1286732478 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders where his hat actually is. < 1286732487 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-89-10.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286732539 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: happy arbitrarily-numbered day! < 1286732545 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286732552 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi cpressey < 1286732567 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1286732591 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari < 1286732634 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should party when it is 10:10 am, 10 seconds? < 1286732731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALWAYS < 1286732759 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they did this in the year 1010 < 1286732763 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except without #esoteric < 1286732767 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or electricity < 1286732784 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: no, at 1:10am, 1000/99 seconds < 1286732784 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... non-public clocks < 1286732787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(10.1010101010...) < 1286732808 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: too late < 1286732945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saving my party for a ninth of a second after 11:11:11 11/11/11. < 1286732964 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that's Remembrance Day, so partying may be looked down upon. < 1286732986 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286732994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold a rave in the silence < 1286733613 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286733650 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286733715 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, how long is it until Padmé appears in RoTS? < 1286733836 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-44-114.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286733897 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that will be the return of Jim, and I am waiting for that. < 1286733932 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Approximately 25 minutes in. < 1286733947 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I.e. pretty soon after they've managed to land that thing. < 1286733959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you... did you just watch RoTS to work out that time? < 1286733998 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If you call "skipping ahead in ten-second increments really fast" watching. < 1286734009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love this place... < 1286734037 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, go check the zeroes of the zeta function and see if any of them are non-trivial and with a real part not equal to 1/2. < 1286734070 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Phantom_Hoover for thinking he has the swatter -----### < 1286734091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swatpans oerjan for getting a new swatter --==\#/ < 1286734300 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combinator syntax question: Conventionally, SKSK = (((SK)S)K)? < 1286734311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1286734315 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1286734415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's just K >:) < 1286734464 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats oerjan with a left ideal <<INSERT VISUAL OF LEFT IDEAL HERE>> < 1286734506 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks cpressey through an ultrafilter < 1286734593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats cpressey ----### and pans oerjan ===\_/ < 1286734634 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION well-orders Phantom_Hoover  < 1286734671 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds oerjan's least fixed point < 1286735615 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-3-167.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286735692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do people do things like making a torrent with a split rar? < 1286735711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like BitTorrent will cry if the files go over 100 megs! < 1286735789 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are retarded and think split rars have better compressoin < 1286735798 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also compress compressed video and the like < 1286735815 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because that's how they downloaded it from a newsgroup < 1286736021 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, people think SPLIT RARS have better compression. GAAAH < 1286736048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't rar splitting just... Splitting + metadata? < 1286736060 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: remember, these are the SAME PEOPLE who think you get better compressions .RARing a video! < 1286736065 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, yes it is < 1286736085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: To be fair, if it's an AVI inside, *you do get some benefit*. < 1286736094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AVI is a very high-overhead format) < 1286736118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted, said benefit is going to be like 10 megs, but still. < 1286736820 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.2.8/20100722155716] < 1286737005 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SIIKK is also K, or my evaluator and/or my understanding is broken < 1286737043 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1286737108 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SII(SII) < 1286737279 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to my dismay, i gave up on parsing the non-fully-parenthesized syntax, and i'm certain my evaluator could be simpler < 1286737332 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, hedgewars is haskell! < 1286737339 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<socket: 94>: Data.ByteString.hGetLine: end of file < 1286737346 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the quit message for some < 1286737391 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1286737396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FreePascal >= 2.2.4" < 1286737443 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm it requires haskell though < 1286737451 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just for the server < 1286737550 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why is it so hard to find the ORIGINAL ISO for ag ame? < 1286737551 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a game? < 1286737558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Because FUCK YOU < 1286737586 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! I want a RAR of the installed game! I want a 500 megabyte multi-language version of the iso, not just the English version! < 1286737587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Laik, everyone wants their disc modified, rait?" < 1286737598 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a pre-no-CD'd version! < 1286737650 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: with a .reg? < 1286737657 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: .reg + copy files i think < 1286737660 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: also, i'm being sarcastic < 1286737672 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The worst thing is, I've bought this game! Twice! < 1286737675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't have the CD! < 1286737677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Argh. < 1286737678 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're never sarcastic < 1286737680 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me the fucking CD! < 1286737690 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what game? < 1286737694 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worms Armageddon < 1286737705 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286737707 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, concurred < 1286737710 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find one, tell me < 1286737727 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i could download my own ISO that i put up, but it's unseeded and the Sold-Out rerelease :) < 1286737729 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((SI)I)((SI)I) < 1286737735 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286737745 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get a copy, tell me < 1286737756 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure thing < 1286737766 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: btw, to get it working in wine you have to replace a dll < 1286737781 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worms2d.info/Main_Page is always a veritable fountain of knowledge < 1286737808 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard < 1286737820 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I need a copy first < 1286737839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'll find something < 1286737844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what. < 1286737880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how does one give a specific root to wine? < 1286737884 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have per-app installs < 1286737887 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specific root? < 1286737893 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: combinator calculus < 1286737907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, set WINE_PREFIX to something else. < 1286737909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: instead of ~/.wine < 1286737911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ok, thanks < 1286737918 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think it should be CoW. < 1286737926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: WINEPREFIX=dir < 1286737927 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps WineFS could be created. < 1286737943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh yeah, you know that cheat thing deadcode wrote that i told you about? < 1286737946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how there was an anti-cheat one? < 1286737947 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you trying to send us into an infinite loop? < 1286737954 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even symlinking all of the important DLLs. < 1286737955 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1286737961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that anti-cheat one *single-handedly* added win2k/xp support to the game < 1286737963 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without the source code < 1286737965 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, can it do Lazy K IO? < 1286737998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT WOULD HAVE WORKED TOO IF NOT FOR THAT MEDDLING PHANTOM_HOOVER < 1286737999 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What? No, I only wrote it in the past hour. It barely just reduces SKI expressions < 1286738026 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, doing Lazy K IO isn't much more than that. < 1286738030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Beautiful. < 1286738065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and a testament to how good is engineering is -- if even one player in a net game uses an older, incompatible version of the game, all the newer versions will *emulate that version* < 1286738070 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FEATURE REQUEST DECLINED < 1286738071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this goes right down to 3.0, the last official patch < 1286738078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*good the < 1286738104 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Bravo. < 1286738113 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deadcode...? < 1286738142 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He's a quantum-computer-based cyborg. < 1286738148 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His only thoughts are to program. < 1286738154 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has no emotions. < 1286738163 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://torrentz.com/634f0cf224c90dbb84e8bb48f337cbe1b62805d7 < 1286738167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i think this is a multi-language version but EH < 1286738173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's something that actually appeared on a cd at some point < 1286738177 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ^ < 1286738181 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://torrentz.com/634f0cf224c90dbb84e8bb48f337cbe1b62805d7 < 1286738191 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll need a no-cd crack for sanity but That Can Be Arranged afterwards < 1286738196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the directdraw < 1286738198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but again, that can come after < 1286738227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: as always, remember to insert the torrentz tracker list :p < 1286738237 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmf download is slow < 1286738238 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for a faster one < 1286738266 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286738269 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: pikhq: http://torrentz.com/4c6c424826f8e8dc277fefe4e1de9c92f5337855 < 1286738271 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just tick the iso < 1286738272 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing else < 1286738289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOAR TORRENT < 1286738295 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat < 1286738314 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :74 peers fuck yeah < 1286738334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things i don't understand < 1286738334 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come < 1286738336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after removing wine < 1286738337 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reinstalling it < 1286738341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wine menu doesn't come back up? < 1286738358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, because it's still in the cache < 1286738359 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286738367 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no < 1286738393 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1286738396 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :995 KiB/s off a torrent < 1286738399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :niiice < 1286738580 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: by the way, quadrant/kitten will eat your firstborn as part of the installation process. and since said you'd try it, well... < 1286738583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1286738673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'll have my cat install it for me. < 1286738685 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is your cat fertile? < 1286738690 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! < 1286738703 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You see, that just means that it eats its owner's firstborn. < 1286738713 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the EULA! < 1286738747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess I'll just have to never have a child, then. < 1286738771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently doing that at a stunning pace! < 1286738775 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You don't want to know what happens if you do that. < 1286738779 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You DON'T want to know. < 1286738786 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, parent's firstborn? < 1286738795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1286738798 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It eats YOU. < 1286738807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am my parent's firstborn, so... < 1286738818 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll have to hit the spermbank. < 1286738838 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With your fists! < 1286738925 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'll give you an online game after I get WA installed. < 1286738932 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'll tell you how to set it up before that :P < 1286739005 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idea: implement a Mandelbrot generator in Logo. Have it draw the outline of the set using only the turtle drawing functions. < 1286739017 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1286739063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xhtml-served-as-html ensaddens me. < 1286739157 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xhtml ensaddens me. < 1286739164 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You should totally download that WA torrent :| < 1286739172 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could all fail hilariously at the simplest of games! < 1286739173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I'm downloading it. < 1286739184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing about it parses right. Nothing. The web browser actually has to use its tag-soup parser to render anything. < 1286739187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or start a CLAN (note: clans in WA are the most juvenile thing ever) < 1286739194 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XHTML is HTML made XML-compliant, yes? < 1286739205 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be so bad that not having a clan in your nick made people call you a noob < 1286739211 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, XHTML is HTML using XML syntax instead of SGML syntax. < 1286739223 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, there's a difference/ < 1286739225 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1286739226 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you see something like xABxSomeIdiotxABx, that's a clan idiot. AB stands for Abrasive Bastards or similar! < 1286739239 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: <br> vs <br/> < 1286739240 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1286739242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :big difference < 1286739261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<br/> in SGML parses as a br tag followed by a misplaced >. < 1286739286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SGML and XML have a common subset. < 1286739298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML made XML-compliant would merely use this common subset. < 1286739307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION copies WA.iso to ~ to begin < 1286739323 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, <br></br> < 1286739329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that's backwards-incompatible with old html versions < 1286739332 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Right. < 1286739343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should note at this point that almost no HTML parsers actually parse things as SGML. < 1286739360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that there's *tons* of valid HTML that a web browser can't render. < 1286739382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a WA-in-Wine install guide as he goes along < 1286739391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It could also be <br></> < 1286739399 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah but nothing parses that :D < 1286739401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Erm, no, not for XML. < 1286739411 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you just care about SGML, then <br/ < 1286739421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... Links and lynx do! < 1286739427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And the W3C validator! < 1286739477 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINE_PREFIX right? < 1286739478 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a wine root < 1286739479 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, did you do that thing with the multiple WINEPREFIXEs? < 1286739482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: WINEPREFIX < 1286739483 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1286739484 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PREFIXes < 1286739491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah. Currently, I've got one for ie6 and one for ie7. < 1286739503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'll be adding more. < 1286739516 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You'll be adding one for WORMS ARMAGEDDON YAY < 1286739534 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does each copy use disk space for all the C: stuff? < 1286739536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Also Steam. (which will have more than one app in it but OH WELL) < 1286739554 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ONE STEAM PER APP < 1286739575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Only for a handful of things. < 1286739585 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh fuck, let's hope audio works. < 1286739592 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. AAAAAAAARGH < 1286739630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Um, you get a bunch of small .exe's and empty DLL files. < 1286739680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahhh. < 1286739705 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :41M for a brand-new, empty wine prefix. Wait, seriously? < 1286739739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. It installs a full copy of Gecko for a WINE prefix. < 1286739766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the mshtml implementation) < 1286739788 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL THE INSTALLER LAUNCHER IS IN RUSSIAN. < 1286739796 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :525 MB in less than 10 minutes. < 1286739799 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1286739805 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the setup isn't. < 1286739810 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hold off until I get this guide done. < 1286739811 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit tricky. < 1286739879 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the data seems to be in English. < 1286739881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't worry. < 1286739886 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. < 1286740020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the chance statistically of his ISP murdering his family is. < 1286740039 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Phantom_Hoover: BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP < 1286740043 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Russian, I think. < 1286740044 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite low, to be realistic. < 1286740051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will find another torrent. < 1286740057 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meantime, save your disk space and delete it. < 1286740059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, goddamn you. < 1286740077 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be able to patch a file to get it to work but *I'll just find a stock CD* < 1286740097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286740098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286740100 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pikhq: don't < 1286740102 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Russian is only installation. After patching all will be in english." < 1286740201 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I JUST HIT DELETE FILES AND REMOVE GRR < 1286740223 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ;_; < 1286740225 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I apologise. < 1286740259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OH YEAH, make sure you have wine 1.3.3. < 1286740264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. Fuck! < 1286740268 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads bianry package < 1286740273 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*binary < 1286740338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hath 1.2 < 1286740345 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Get 1.3.3. < 1286740347 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or online play doesn't work. < 1286740425 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO'S READY FOR AN 8-BIT ORGASM? < 1286740529 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO ONE! < 1286740532 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it :P < 1286740536 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost done the guide. < 1286740661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION updates < 1286740762 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think this CD may be unusable for the purpose/ < 1286740765 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*purpose. < 1286740768 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286740800 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH COOL < 1286740805 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286740807 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey, awesome. I'm now accessing the Gentoo mirrors via IPv6. < 1286740872 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/zee5-2010-10-10-8bit.ogg < 1286740881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrrrrrr < 1286740980 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay. Stop. < 1286740993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Auuuuuuuuuuum. < 1286740998 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting from scratch. < 1286741176 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There is a wrapper for a patched version ofw ine that apparently makes this work just fine. < 1286741179 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to get it working now. < 1286741262 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The irritating thing is that with the not-yet-released update, this would work all out of the box. < 1286741303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: That is quite irritating indeed. < 1286741350 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right then: Kitten/Quadrant will include a package that, when supplied with an iso file, will set up WA properly. :P < 1286741494 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm figuring it out now. < 1286741508 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What I may do is write a script that puts all this crap in one self-contained directory... < 1286741519 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286741566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, make it support WINE in a nice fashion. < 1286741576 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My distro? < 1286741579 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define nice fashion. < 1286741580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, what's your opinion on the suckiness of extant kernals? < 1286741587 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kernels kernels kernels < 1286741603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1286741645 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Linux sucks, BSD less so. < 1286741702 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286741718 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"taken directly from a original bought disc. < 1286741719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO, update & no-cd crack included. < 1286741719 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check readme for information." < 1286741720 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FUCKING APPROVE < 1286741737 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A kernel is only a kernal if it's on the C64 < 1286741817 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hmm. Y'know a major upside to per-app WINE prefixes? If it's something I only use on occasion, *I can just tar up the prefix*. < 1286741824 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :D < 1286741826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is of course awesome. < 1286741852 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody listened to my awesome 8-bit adventure X-P < 1286741878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINE: if the program works right, then it works *better*. :) < 1286741926 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: relink < 1286741933 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/zee5-2010-10-10-8bit.ogg < 1286741943 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pikhq: I recommend you download http://isohunt.com/download/181634533/worms+armageddon.torrent, sans the update file which you don't need, but with the exe. < 1286741959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is beyond caring < 1286741962 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i approve < 1286741969 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: was it done on actual 8-bit hardware or emulation < 1286741971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just FAKE < 1286741974 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAKE < 1286741975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOTALLY FAKE < 1286741978 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastard < 1286741979 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL FAKE ... and evil. < 1286741981 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VSTi's < 1286742027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Does it have a peer list from torrentz? < 1286742036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, tracker < 1286742054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, well, at least it actually has a working tracker. < 1286742065 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It does not, unfortunately. < 1286742073 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it IS the original iso from the original fucking disc and that's what matters. < 1286742079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So, this'll be slow. But oh well. < 1286742088 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting 150 KiB/s. < 1286742090 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not that bad. < 1286742094 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :170 KiB/s, even, at some points. < 1286742096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting 0 KiB/s. < 1286742104 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what trackers does it list? < 1286742107 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :podtropolis, torrentbay and prq? < 1286742111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the ones i have < 1286742112 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1286742121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peer list request timed out on the first two. < 1286742123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i might be hogging everyone :) give it a minute < 1286742124 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah < 1286742131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: pause and restart < 1286742133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one has peers < 1286742136 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one times out for me too < 1286742149 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I just got some peers from the DHT; is all good. < 1286742178 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including you. < 1286742186 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1286742190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for making me use my upload, bastard! < 1286742198 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How do you tell which ones are from the DHT? < 1286742218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the list of peers, "H". < 1286742225 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the status) < 1286742231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm downloading from you now, ha. < 1286742242 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my download is slow. So you suffer! < 1286742244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X, BTW, is peer exchange. < 1286742252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my upload is going between 4 KiB/s and 110 KiB/s. < 1286742254 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wildly. < 1286742259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, if you hover over it gives a legend < 1286742261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is nice < 1286742266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1286742292 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: good stuff < 1286742293 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Can you block me? You're making my download shit :P < 1286742305 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fluctuating like hell < 1286742315 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Your mom is fluctuating like hell. < 1286742319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it won't let you do that. < 1286742326 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1286742357 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What I'll do sometime is fish out my WA CD, wherever it is -- the original version -- and make an .iso of it. < 1286742363 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then give it to anyone who asks that I like. < 1286742370 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a script that sets it up properly, hopefully. < 1286742383 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will be a lot less painful than this. < 1286742401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's painful is the trackers NOT WORKING < 1286742416 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIRST AND LAST ONES DO HAHAHAHA < 1286742421 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pause it and start it again < 1286742422 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should help < 1286742426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only get the last one. < 1286742426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I did that. < 1286742430 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. < 1286742434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tracker just won't respond. < 1286742439 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means you leech of me more than is strictly necessary! Fucker :P < 1286742449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many peers are you connected to? < 1286742453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1286742456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm downloading from them all < 1286742461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm connected to 6... < 1286742464 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :first tracker gives 7 peers < 1286742467 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last tracker gives 4 peers < 1286742484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6 seeders, 1 leecher, and 3 seeders, 1 leecher.) < 1286742581 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Make zee5 (Gregor's techno mix) < 1286742593 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's not! < 1286742599 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET'S < 1286742746 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: While you're waiting, install Hedgewars from your friendly local package manager; it's so much a clone of Worms Armageddon that it borders on copyright infringement. < 1286742750 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has networked play. < 1286742785 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In fact, I'll give you a game. < 1286742806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sets resolution = screen res by default, so you'll either want to enable fullscreen or reduce it. < 1286742839 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is, instead, switching to per-app installs of Steam. < 1286742849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT THAT'S LESS FUN < 1286742939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEENER < 1286743174 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another nice thing is that if I decide to uninstall something, rm -rf does it. < 1286743187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Residual. Bullshit. < 1286743197 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, what's the guy in H2G2 who always gets rained on? < 1286743316 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Rob McKeena, the Rain God. < 1286743327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh, I just found that as you said it. < 1286743329 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1286743336 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you got the whole series memorised? < 1286743345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I've got grep. :p < 1286743373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I used to have it memorized reasonably well back when we had the trivia game running, though.) < 1286743398 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rob's a rather minor character. < 1286743454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mocks the sharing of files that The Orange Box does! BWAHAHAHA < 1286743497 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, who's that guy who got the Rory Award? < 1286743544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he was named. < 1286743678 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm not wearing a hat." "Nice head, then." < 1286743703 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it could be "I like the head, then". < 1286743710 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have it memorized either. < 1286743764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I like that hat!" he bawled. "What?" "I said, I like the hat." "I'm not wearing a hat." "Well, I like the head, then." "What?" "I said, I like the head. Interesting bone-structure." "What?" < 1286744037 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286744408 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a name for the subset of C where a and b (in a+bi) are rationals, or even integers? < 1286744431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what's the name of the singer at the diner in Mostly Harmless. < 1286744437 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, a question I asked long ago. < 1286744446 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer was "no". < 1286744461 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Gaussian integers are those where a and b are integers. I don't think there's any special name for *even* integers, though. < 1286744462 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is i a real number? NO WAIT HEAR ME OUT < 1286744505 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION raises the crazy shields and sets mathsters to "stun". < 1286744541 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, go ahead... < 1286744542 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no reason to believe the decimal expansion of i (er... you know, if such a thing were... imaginable) would be nonrepeating, or even that it would have anything to the right of the decimal point. < 1286744566 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looks pretty much like an integer. < 1286744571 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except, you know, imaginary, < 1286744573 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1286744599 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that it hangs around with this crowd that are usually reals. < 1286744642 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, i is a Gaussian integer. < 1286744645 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And participates in the defintion of a plane that is built on top of the reals. < 1286744649 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh! < 1286744655 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, I suppose, what you mean. < 1286744675 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er... well maybe < 1286744692 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Logically, forall a b : Q, a+bi would be a Gaussian rational, but I've never actually heard that usage.) < 1286744767 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The usage is extant enough to have a Wikipedia stub, at least. < 1286744871 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this answers my original curiousity... Gaussian rationals do fit what I was thinking of. < 1286744889 0 :flippo!~frivol@unaffiliated/flippo JOIN :#esoteric < 1286744909 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286744916 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no progress on Sierp! < 1286744953 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it feels like you ought to be able to "complexify" (Gaussify?) any field or maybe any commutative ring or maybe any ring < 1286744954 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286744962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know, Steam sucks enough that I'm considering just downloading a no-Steam crack of these games. < 1286745047 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, logically you should be able to Gaussify N as well, which isn't a ring. < 1286745107 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. Maybe you could Gaussify C, too. < 1286745124 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work. < 1286745136 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably just reduces to C, is what I was thinking < 1286745167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Aaaaand* Steam crashes. < 1286745168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, since forall a, b \in C, a * b \in C < 1286745411 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-39-32.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286745507 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :This is not a real topic message. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286745631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Ceci n'est pas un sujet. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286745659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :French self-reference > English self-reference. < 1286745676 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That is better. Thanks < 1286745726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know French, so I cannot respond appropriately. < 1286745764 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1286745986 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How was that Underlambda thing doing? < 1286746086 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Underlambda? < 1286746125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: How goes the WA? < 1286746141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... is what I seek to find out. < 1286746534 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZzzZZzzzZZzZzZ < 1286746630 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-66-169.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286746631 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286746631 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286746641 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it turns out, IE7 is significantly smaller than IE6. < 1286746847 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286746987 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you know the Forbidden Secrets of Chemistry? < 1286746995 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like how goddamned electrons work. < 1286747016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: only to some extent < 1286747044 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's more physics, isn't it? < 1286747045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have enough of an understanding to explain why electrons act the way they do in covalent/ionic bonds, to an extent sufficient to make a few basic explanations but not really get to the heart of what's oging on < 1286747049 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 261.5/262.7 mb < 1286747050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hi alise < 1286747053 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody uploading to me < 1286747071 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, *goddamned electron shells < 1286747089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The explanation that is given at first is so obviously wrong... < 1286747091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you have the whole thing? < 1286747097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just 99% < 1286747098 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1286747130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I can give a simplified and "wrong" explanation that's nonetheless better than the explanation you're likely to have been given, and has better predictive power < 1286747169 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The subshell one? < 1286747210 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better predictive power -- useful if you're going to bet on what electron shells will do < 1286747230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Uh, that's the whole ISO. < 1286747241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, well, does 21st Century Science have anything on electron shells? < 1286747250 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: It's showing the percentage of the whole torrent you have, not the percentage of what you want. < 1286747252 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, the answer to that is obvious. < 1286747253 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, what the eff. I started downloading the update. < 1286747255 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did that happen? < 1286747256 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel stupid for askin. < 1286747258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But okay. < 1286747259 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*asking < 1286747262 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, and feof/ferror too, as well as the somewhat obscure system(NULL) case. (And a lot of multibyte string functions when called with a NULL s.) < 1286747264 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think it... might. < 1286747282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, thanks for that < 1286747287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Got forced to, presumably. Saying "I want only this" only means that your client will *try* to only get that. < 1286747288 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did them at the unit; well, "did", I sat there and turned my brain off while the obvious incorrectness was dispensed into my audial system. < 1286747292 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION surprises < 1286747294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right. < 1286747299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, the system(NULL) case might actually come up, as it's a course about kernel programming < 1286747307 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "But I don't WANT that file!" "FUCK YOU, YOU'RE GETTING IT" < 1286747323 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assuming that system() is given the correct implementation inside the kernel in question (IIRC Linux), it would be a quick test to see if you were a kernel module or user program < 1286747325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1286747327 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, I will now attempt to write a guide that explains how to get this working. < 1286747335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, a need for that test isn't likely to come up very often... < 1286747341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1286747356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: did you see my complaints about the C notes I was given to teach from, earlier? < 1286747373 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1286747375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sounds awful < 1286747406 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the course officially uses gcc --std=gnu99; I suppose that's vaguely plausible given that it's meant to be about kernel programming and Linux the kernel is full of GNU extensions, but still...) < 1286747433 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So you have the whole thing too? < 1286747444 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, note how whatever 21st Century Science says, it will completely ignore anything past calcium. < 1286747458 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did you do it or something? < 1286747466 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you just basing this on what i said about how crap it is? < 1286747501 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, I'm basing it on the fact that elements past Ca aren't covered until final-year-ish courses in school. < 1286747529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it involves quantum, AND WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPREHEND THAT IS < 1286747546 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love our educational system; we treat people like retards, ensuring that they will grow up to be retards. < 1286747582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Yup. < 1286747585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, zzo38 implemented Underload in TeX? that seems kind-of appropriate next to the Redcode impl < 1286747601 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have spent at least 3 years asking every chemistry teacher I have how the bloody things work, to no avail. < 1286747619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@dinky:~/.local/lib/worms-armageddon$ file cd.iso < 1286747619 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd.iso: PowerISO Direct-Access-Archive < 1286747624 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: discuss < 1286747628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Install daa2iso. < 1286747629 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes I have done. If you have any other questions about it you can ask < 1286747637 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :archive manager can't open it either < 1286747641 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHY IS IT .ISO IF IT'S NOT ISO < 1286747642 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIOJFGDFJH < 1286747645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it does involve quantum, but not in a particularly incomprehensible way < 1286747646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: FUCK YOU < 1286747656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: But, daa2iso will get you a proper ISO, so hey. < 1286747660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, TOO DAMN INCOMPREHENSIBLE < 1286747663 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, anyone grepping the logs for me and pikhq saying fuck will think we hate each other. < 1286747668 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: mostly I'm just impressed, and trying to figure out how it works < 1286747691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK, let's see... electrons can be in one of many different energy levels, orbits, and spins < 1286747707 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ... < 1286747709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: God I *hate* that. I mean, quantum isn't magic. < 1286747711 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I just deleted WA.iso by mistake. < 1286747712 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It isn't particularly complicated. It is a short program, and if you understand TeX you should understand this program. < 1286747718 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not /quite/ true that spins are symmetrical, it takes really contrived quantum physics to find an example where they aren't < 1286747720 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Facepalm-tastic. < 1286747723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't understand raw TeX < 1286747726 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I just got an ISO. < 1286747727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286747727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can try to figure it out from the program < 1286747732 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I hereby obligate you to upload it to a server that I have access to. < 1286747736 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or -- even better. < 1286747740 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You seeding that torrent? < 1286747747 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I can go back to seeding it! < 1286747758 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I figured it out by myself a couple of days ago, with the aid of a poster. < 1286747762 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so for the purposes of this, you can assume that "up" and "down" spins (the only two possibilities) are identical except for being different from each other < 1286747769 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: even better, I don't need to explain that way! < 1286747771 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Now you can see if you can figure out, and any part you don't know, you can ask. < 1286747787 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Transmission thinks I still have the file X_X < 1286747795 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, is there any way to quickly recover a recently-deleted file on an ext4 system? < 1286747796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Rescan. < 1286747798 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code for : looks pretty surprising < 1286747799 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it in the journal or ... something? < 1286747817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: the journal only exists while the deletion is taking place < 1286747832 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Mother-fucking-fuckshitting-fuck. < 1286747833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unfortunately, ext4 is very fast at deleting large files, that's part of the reason you'd use it < 1286747841 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a filesystem that's really slow at deleting large files. < 1286747843 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REALLY slow. < 1286747856 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact, it's one of its main advantages over ext3) < 1286747858 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I want an rm that just moves the file to a trashcan because I can't trust myself with this shit. < 1286747862 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you could grep for a magic number or something < 1286747878 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and you can alias rm to a move-to-trash in your .profile or whatever) < 1286747878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Write an rm-alike! < 1286747880 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, seed that thing. < 1286747884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seeding it. < 1286747885 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, I might just. < 1286747896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what about moving to somewhere in /tmp? < 1286747897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And connected to you. < 1286747902 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alias rm to mv-to-bin, rename rm to really-really-rm. < 1286747908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way, you can undelete as long as you haven't rebooted in between < 1286747910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And UPLOAD MORE DAMMIT < 1286747916 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or if you're feeling more adventurous, move to /var/cache) < 1286747923 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUN FACT: the 5th-year physics curriculum in Scotland covers quantum in so little detail that they don't even mention the double-slit experiment. < 1286747924 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: INSUFFICIENT SPEED BEEEEEP INSUFFICIENT SPEED BEEEEEEEEEEEEP < 1286747932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: /bin seems a rather bad place for deleted files... < 1286747937 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Please put "mechanics" after that word. Just "quantum" is irritating. < 1286747942 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The word "bin". < 1286747944 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you mean the code for : in the underload.tex is surprising? < 1286747946 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rubbish bin". < 1286747948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1286747957 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't obviously match what : does, like the code for ~ does < 1286747980 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Okay, it is now the only torrent I'm running. < 1286747989 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better? < 1286747989 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YAY < 1286747991 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is ^ using a temporary file? < 1286747991 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Thanks. < 1286747997 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does that work for nested ^ commands? < 1286747999 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I promise to be less stupid as payment. < 1286748001 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, it's a Discworld reference. < 1286748006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my story and I'm sticking with it. < 1286748026 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, it does work. The \begingroup command in TeX is basically like pushing the state of all macros and registers to the stack (it doesn't work exactly like that, but it is close). < 1286748037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ETA = ? < 1286748038 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ^ is using a temporary file, and it does work for nested ^ commands. < 1286748046 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 32 minutes < 1286748050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is better than i ever got on the torrent itself < 1286748066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you have great upload < 1286748067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray, using all the upload. < 1286748091 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: To be fair, I am getting it from three other people, too. < 1286748102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I was seeding 3 other torrents and fetching 2 others... < 1286748110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: using a temporary file to implement function calls rather reminds me of using multithreading to implement addition < 1286748111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours is the fastest though. < 1286748131 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Pfft, you're one of these crazy people who "seeds" torrents after they're downloaded. < 1286748133 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PFFT < 1286748140 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And in case you didn't realize yet, the reason for \let\C=\catcode < 1286748142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Private tracker. < 1286748148 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is because the word "catcode" as "a" in it. < 1286748152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does an infinite loop as in (:^):^ run out of memory eventually, or does it actually run forever? < 1286748153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what is that music at the end of Free Man? < 1286748161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ingenious < 1286748162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The internet seems to be at a loss. < 1286748166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have a crazy ratio on Demonoid and I forget why. < 1286748180 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's something some guy made specifically for it < 1286748185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some internet-famous ... thing < 1286748198 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The input stack is eventually exhausted. (MiKTeX (and probably others, too) allow changing the input stack size by a command-line parameter.) < 1286748208 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean the music that plays when it's panning around the statue of John Freeman. < 1286748211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm, only 1.46 ratio on Demonoid. Swear it was more! < 1286748211 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to re-install Windows on this machine now. < 1286748213 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh. Dunno. < 1286748214 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish me luck. < 1286748216 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286748221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: good luck! < 1286748227 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be a better way than using input files like this, but I found this the simplest way, later I might find a better way, in which case I can fix it. < 1286748231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels slightly trepidated < 1286748259 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I can't figure out how : is meant to work < 1286748262 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you using as the stack? < 1286748294 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am using TeX's internal group stack as the stack. < 1286748310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what are you using as stack elements? < 1286748325 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The \toks0 register. < 1286748340 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think I get an idea of how it's working noe < 1286748342 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1286748351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and : works because it starts a new group, but doesn't change any of the current registers? < 1286748357 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just copies what's there on the stack already? < 1286748358 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1286748373 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got iy < 1286748375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1286748381 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise, merit of Gaz versions of the final two instalments in the FLC series. Discuss. < 1286748404 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they're not as good. < 1286748442 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never liked the fact that Henry and John Freeman are indistinguishable. < 1286748476 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could have been funny, but *eh* they're just not as funny. < 1286748484 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the entire amusement of the series is how downright stupid it is. < 1286748490 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're less stupid than the regular ones. < 1286748496 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there was a category code for active and begin group both at the same time, I could probably do it without temporary files. < 1286748565 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: huh, apparently the readings featured in the djy videos aren't his own < 1286748566 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have tried the example Underload programs, all of them work.) < 1286748570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all from elsewhere :P < 1286748576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1286748577 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange because they fit so well < 1286748583 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They combine dramatic readings performed by other users and music from the album Production Music from Ren & Stimpy, creating a distinct Soundtrack Dissonance." < 1286748714 0 :cpressey!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286748738 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't risk it; recovery CD is moronic. I don't trust it to not wipe out the Linux partition. < 1286748753 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ? < 1286748767 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Why I Am Not Re-Installing Windows Here. < 1286748776 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I can print what i need to at work < 1286748789 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe even talk to this printer from Ubuntu < 1286748790 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahah < 1286748928 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan The problem with the "non-self-similar fractal" of a triangle, square, pentagon... is that as n gets large, n-gons do tend to look... well, similar. < 1286749003 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually seems pretty close to the "non-repeating sequence <-> unbounded storage" thing... to have a non-self-similar fractal, you essentially need a non-repeating sequence < 1286749009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no lambdabot < 1286749014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ubuntu is pretty good with printers btw < 1286749052 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oerjan is pretty good with reading the logs himself :) < 1286749134 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'client-error-document-format-not-supported'. When printing a test page. < 1286749152 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume this means eww-your-printer-is-retarded. < 1286749241 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286749403 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that thing about atoms written in ... English without Germanic things? Or something. < 1286749405 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The title. < 1286749548 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Thanks Allan but I'm afraid I don't have that programming knowledge and talent for I'm not a programmer. [...] I am a software designer, an architect, a non-coding project manager you might say. In the old days the term was "analyst". My interest is more in designing algorithms, writing pseudo-code, interfaces and of course managing computing projects." < 1286749552 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Tcl wiki page 19 < 1286749558 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Desire to kill strong. < 1286749589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"720x400" WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT YOU ASSHOLE < 1286749700 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wat < 1286749733 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286749749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Take a 4:3 720p video, and rescale to 720x400. < 1286749755 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286749757 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :480p video. < 1286749762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 640x480, which would make *some* sense. 720x400. < 1286749764 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "No." < 1286749771 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the right answer? < 1286749805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moral of the story: the people who encode videos for torrents are assholes. < 1286749849 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, torrent finished. I will try to have either a full guide, or an admission that it can't be done, in an hour or two. < 1286749861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmkay. < 1286749870 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: you got WA? < 1286749875 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More likely two. < 1286749881 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, but I have not yet verified its usefulness. < 1286749888 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the recovery CD won't wipe out Linux, just the bootleader. Have a disc handy to reinstall that < 1286749890 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It is *very* non-trivial to get it working in WINE. < 1286749895 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I see the guide < 1286749900 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No. < 1286749901 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's outdated. < 1286749903 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :( < 1286749903 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Sorely* outdated. < 1286749911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in "pre-Wine 1.0" outdated. < 1286749914 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I should grab trunk wine < 1286749918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1286749919 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine 1.3.3 < 1286749923 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the development release < 1286749923 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286749925 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286749931 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :older ones won't work online < 1286749933 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wormnet) < 1286749939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: link coppro to the .torrent, would you? < 1286749940 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be seeding. < 1286749953 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: and I'll tell you what to do with it soon, hopefully :P < 1286749955 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once I figure it out < 1286749957 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286749961 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to grab wine < 1286749968 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: note: ubuntu repos version is old < 1286749971 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uninstall it before installing 1.3.3 < 1286749973 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a PPA. < 1286749974 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I no longer have it. < 1286749981 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link, that is. < 1286749983 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i'll get the link < 1286749991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://isohunt.com/download/181634533/worms+armageddon.torrent < 1286749992 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1286749993 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://isohunt.com/download/181634533/worms+armageddon.torrent < 1286749994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Log grep < 1286749994 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1286750009 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Download that and I'll have the info on how to get it running soon. < 1286750011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I found something even worse... < 1286750029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who the hell *posts DVD ISOs* but *does a re-encode for that*? < 1286750038 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out how to get the right git tag < 1286750042 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: dude < 1286750050 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://www.winehq.org/download/deb < 1286750055 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the freakin' repository < 1286750067 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :save yourself many pointless hours and possible misconfiguration < 1286750086 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool, a ppa < 1286750092 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> there is a PPA. < 1286750093 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286750107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286750110 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to install wine1.3 package < 1286750111 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not wine < 1286750114 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the wine1.3 < 1286750164 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286750180 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the easiest way to switch base repos to use sed? < 1286750189 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to move onto the CSC's, since they're on LAN < 1286750190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1286750200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the easiest way is to use add-apt-repository < 1286750201 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh er < 1286750203 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to swtich them? < 1286750206 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just edit /etc/apt/sources.list < 1286750207 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*switch < 1286750209 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't trust sed < 1286750211 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so sed it is < 1286750241 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you seriously unable to make 4 simple edits without using sed? :p < 1286750248 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more than 4 < 1286750292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: are you downloading that torrent? < 1286750298 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not connected to me < 1286750305 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am < 1286750342 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: good point. i still don't trust it though. < 1286750355 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: well, it's all pikhq. and others < 1286750358 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not connected to me, loser < 1286750378 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286750382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(brb a while) < 1286750399 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286750430 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: your client won't connect to me :( < 1286750462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :576x432. *vomit* < 1286750589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SUCK AND YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. < 1286750667 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am running the gnome desktop yet i do not have gnome-core installed < 1286750706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> you have to install wine1.3 package <-- I read that as win3.1 and then as wine3.1 XD < 1286750715 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be one of those wrapper pkgs and i hae the individual pkgs installed < 1286750752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://zem.fi/~fis/siikajarvi-1.jpg → http://zem.fi/~fis/siikajarvi-2.jpg (May 2010 → Oct 2010; it's not exactly the same place, but at least it's the same lake.) < 1286750783 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286750786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1286750798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the first is familiar < 1286750806 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I've linked to it before. < 1286750811 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably with a different name, though. < 1286750831 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, idea: find one place (preferably close to where you live) and take one panorama from the same place every month. < 1286750834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be interesting < 1286750857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "same place" would have to be "close enough that it looks about the same" < 1286750886 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and obviously it would be awkward doing that if not close to where you live < 1286750905 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what do you think? < 1286750907 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to take panoramas from one well-defined point at each of the four seasons, then align the whole set with panotools, then blend the images together. < 1286750923 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, blend or fuse? < 1286750933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both would give weird results I bet < 1286750946 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, trees sag if there is a lot of snow < 1286750974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blend in the sense that one quarter of the image is mostly one season, but that they blend sort-of-seamlessly together. < 1286751006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use as a wallpaper in the phone; it has those four horizontally-aligned desktops, with wraparound, and glide from one to another. < 1286751012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, as for well defined point, surely you can find that? in the intersection above some stone slabs (obviously for roads using such, rather than asphalt) < 1286751044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be a bit hard to find in the winter though < 1286751044 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I haven't yet found a nice nearby place from where a 360-degree panorama would be pretty. < 1286751066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if it is just 4 times / year then it might not need to be *that* close < 1286751078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how far away is that lake? < 1286751107 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not too far. It's just that I'm rather lazy. < 1286751107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might work well if you decide on a specific pier (or whatever it is called, is pier just for more fixed ones?) < 1286751125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. (1) pier, wharf, wharfage, dock -- (a platform built out from the shore into the water and supported by piles; provides access to ships and boats) < 1286751134 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like it wouldn't apply to a floating one. < 1286751149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1286751150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1286751153 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"brygga" < 1286751155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286751289 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might work. Though I can't reuse either of those two images; not enough vertical FOV. < 1286751299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm okay < 1286751314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why not enough? < 1286751331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you have enough res to fill my screen vertically < 1286751336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is more than a phone would have < 1286751351 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm would be rather narrow on a phone < 1286751361 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw what irc client do you use on your n900? < 1286751370 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you scale -2 to 3200 pixels of width, the height will be 407 pixels; I need 3200x480. < 1286751389 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err -2? < 1286751397 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siikajarvi-2.jpg. < 1286751424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286751427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "none"; just the included terminal emulator and openssh. < 1286751439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286751456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, which irc client do you use over ssh then? < 1286751463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi. < 1286751470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1286751489 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I did take a quick look at that weechat thing. < 1286751519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seemed interesting, but core-dumped just when I got it going. < 1286751538 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to use weechat < 1286751540 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1286751607 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286751615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, on your n900? < 1286751645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't know you had one?) < 1286751719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in general, I think. < 1286751727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a terminaly client too. < 1286751748 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what? no < 1286751800 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did try out the x-chat Maemo port, but it wasn't really much of a port, someone had just compiled it with very minor changes, so it wasn't too mobile-friendly. < 1286751810 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has grown since i last used it, it seems < 1286751910 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a local irssi on the phone too, but haven't really used it. < 1286751942 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bugs me when i can't find out the license that a project uses in 2 minutes of browsing their website < 1286752024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, which project? < 1286752037 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: irssi! < 1286752041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hah < 1286752055 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there is no apt package for MIT dungeon. I guess because it's not technically free. < 1286752057 0 :fizzien900!~user@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1286752058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name : irssi < 1286752058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version : 0.8.15-3 < 1286752058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :URL : http://irssi.org/ < 1286752058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Licenses : GPL < 1286752062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what my package manager claims < 1286752065 0 :fizzien900!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is a local irssi. < 1286752075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, that could be any version of GPL < 1286752077 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i eventually had to go to ubuntu to find that out < 1286752090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hah < 1286752138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, took me half a minute to find < 1286752140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://svn.irssi.org/repos/irssi/trunk/COPYING < 1286752140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286752160 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :download -> svn -> irssi -> trunk -> COPYING < 1286752183 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@174-26-89-10.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286752190 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, hide it in the sources. < 1286752199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, this is easier to read in browser (doesn't open download dialog): http://svn.irssi.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/irssi/trunk/COPYING?view=markup&revision=4488&root=irssi < 1286752204 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: "nethack-lisp"? this means what now? < 1286752229 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what about it? < 1286752236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it just the emacs interface to nethack? < 1286752244 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286752250 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nethack-el? < 1286752262 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that is nethack-el < 1286752273 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus my wonderment at -lisp < 1286752274 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : - nethack-lisp : Lisp window version. < 1286752288 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not exactly illuminated. < 1286752289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I don't have any ubuntu based system turned on atm < 1286752291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't check < 1286752296 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'll try it < 1286752312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, nethack-el depends on nethack-lisp though < 1286752339 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : This package contains the Lisp window version, required < 1286752339 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for playing Nethack under Emacs. < 1286752351 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "lisp window" eh? < 1286752355 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what the package description says. < 1286752364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it means < 1286752373 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286752385 0 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286752393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, hm? < 1286752399 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weechat! < 1286752402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286752415 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack has the term "window system" for all the frontends; I guess that's just something lisp-friendly. < 1286752433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1286752440 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the -el package would have the Emacs-lisp side of it. < 1286752466 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286752469 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't depend on anything lispy < 1286752475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build-Depends: flex, bison, groff-base, debhelper (>= 7), libx11-dev, libxt-dev, libxext-dev, libxmu-dev, bsdmainutils, libxaw7-dev | libxaw-dev, libncurses5-dev | libncurses-dev, libqt3-mt-dev (>= 3:3.3.4-7), dpatch, po-debconf, xfonts-utils < 1286752488 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, why should it? < 1286752491 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! < 1286752492 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286752499 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what you get when you run nethack-lisp: http://pastie.org/1211870 < 1286752502 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ncurses and libxaw? < 1286752510 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't get past that prompt yet < 1286752513 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, hah < 1286752532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, try one of 1 2 and 1? < 1286752548 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it just exits no matter what i put in < 1286752548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's build-depends; it's for building all the frontend packages. < 1286752564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, true, but stilll < 1286752566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still* < 1286752568 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he likes weechat slightly better than irssi < 1286752571 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it was the build deps I meant < 1286752576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so it is written in C I presume < 1286752594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not? It only needs to print out sexprs. < 1286752798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and perhaps parse them < 1286752851 0 :fizzien900!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if it just prompts for numbers and strings, though. < 1286752867 0 :fizzien900!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, maybe I should close this. < 1286752880 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzien900, well maybe it wants (93) or such < 1286752883 0 :fizzien900!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: wuup < 1286752895 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, i didn't try 121.. that does something < 1286752908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, that's absurd < 1286752922 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, maybe (121 option) ? < 1286752925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1286752928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just 121 < 1286752930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1286752942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, maybe 121 is there to identify what it is responding to < 1286752955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, and what is that "something < 1286752957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1286752977 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aoops, made it segfault by typing in 105 at a help prompt < 1286752993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, so what did 121 do? < 1286753020 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: apparentl it meant "y" as it rolled me a character < 1286753083 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1286753087 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ascii values i bet < 1286753111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's sources for both the elisp interface as well as the lisp window system, so you don't really *need* to reverse-engineer it by trial-and-error. < 1286753118 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the key to redraw the screen in nethack? < 1286753137 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see this thing give me a map < 1286753161 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, why ascii code... you mean it sends it as number? < 1286753170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gdb) print 'y' < 1286753171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1 = 121 'y' < 1286753174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm indeed < 1286753175 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for the prompts, yes. 121=y, etc < 1286753179 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for commands though < 1286753186 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord y < 1286753186 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :121 < 1286753197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah didn't know that < 1286753199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show ord < 1286753199 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[[-<+2>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[<[-]+>->+<[<-]]]]]]]]]]>]<2[>+6[<+8>-]<-.[-]<]+32.[-]>>,] < 1286753204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeargh < 1286753219 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that now < 1286753224 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decimal output in bf is necessarily a bit yeargh. < 1286753269 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit, a bit < 1286753302 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up for now -- the menu prompts want something that i cannot give it and they keep segfaulting < 1286753325 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty cool though < 1286753330 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more games should have lisp interfaces < 1286753447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, weird that it likes to segfault though < 1286753491 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLiEnTS sHOUlD bE WRittEn prOPErLY!!. < 1286753495 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, I mean, most programs I would expect would find segfaulting pretty scary! < 1286753503 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<catseye> what's the key to redraw the screen in nethack? <--- control-R < 1286753522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: amazingly, the NetHack windowing system is the only part of the code that's actually documented < 1286753527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, um, what? < 1286753534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a file in nethack-3.4.3/doc somewhere that explains the API < 1286753539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, I didn't mean that at all, why did you assume that! < 1286753593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, there are actually comments elsewhere in the code < 1286753598 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really count < 1286753600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, does that not count as documentation? < 1286753603 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly they don't explain APIs < 1286753608 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather other things < 1286753619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286753619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, there's the infamous PUT THINGS THAT HAPPEN ONCE PER PLAYER INPUT HERE comment < 1286753628 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh? < 1286753630 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a) completely accurate, and b) followed by things that shouldn't happen once per player input < 1286753634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, infamous why? < 1286753653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so what are those things that shouldn't be done there? < 1286753654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus the docs are correct, but the code is wrong < 1286753659 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: by mistake, presumably < 1286753662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it leads to the lava time bug < 1286753667 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, not why, what < 1286753676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286753682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly also the reverse lava time bug, except that nobody's sure what that one is except the NetHack devteam and they aren't telling < 1286753684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, fixed in next release maybe? < 1286753688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course... < 1286753699 0 :myndzi\!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286753700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and would the reverse one be exploitable? < 1286753722 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also how soon do you think next release would be? < 1286753723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Rodney> C343-231, fixed: Time is distorted while sinking into lava. < 1286753724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few years? < 1286753727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's on the list of exploitable bugs < 1286753733 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just nobody knows what it is < 1286753736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and next release? who knows < 1286753757 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, we won't see the fixed code until then < 1286753775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, so we can't figure the bug that way < 1286753776 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a poll in the wiki. < 1286753782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and even then, it may have been fixed with a rewrite...) < 1286753786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, esolang wiki? < 1286753789 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or nethack one? < 1286753795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikia NetHack < 1286753804 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what is the poll about? < 1286753816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikia one; on when the next release will be. < 1286753837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all just guesses, and not very serious ones, of course. < 1286753844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you mean that they would rewrite just to hide what the bug was? < 1286753852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rewrite for other reasons? < 1286753867 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1286753880 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: one of the theories for the lateness is that they tried a rewrite and screwed up the code somehow < 1286753883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are unwilling to revert it all < 1286753919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is it just the lava thing that happens in that place and shouldn't? < 1286753921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other stuff too? < 1286753930 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just lava, I think < 1286753947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or lava plus something which has effects so subtle it isn't even obviously a bug, which wouldn't surprise me < 1286753955 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, the lava one is pretty bug < 1286753956 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*big < 1286753958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, both < 1286753970 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can die by sinking into lava just by viewing your inventory... < 1286754005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure what to change it to to fix the bug; once per time-consuming action, or once per monster turn) < 1286754013 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's a flavour justification for either) < 1286754042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is there a difference between those? < 1286754056 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, say the player's wearing fireproof speed boots < 1286754065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also, can monsters sink in lava? < 1286754072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more dramatically, suppose the player falls asleep < 1286754072 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why did I assume what? < 1286754082 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monster lava handling is rather simpler, either they instadie, or they're immune < 1286754087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286754103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, that I meant the code should be properly written < 1286754113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, <Vorpal> catseye, I mean, most programs I would expect would find segfaulting pretty scary! < 1286754136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite a different reason behind it < 1286754140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, night → < 1286754727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286754771 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286754802 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<coppro> alise: your client won't connect to me :( < 1286754803 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286754810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286754850 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286755014 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1286755080 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@xdsl-83-150-123-242.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1286755337 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(: < 1286755603 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286755643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286756158 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-237-180.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286756165 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 VSTi's < 1286756179 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Op. 11 string quartet is starting to sound actually GOOD! < 1286756255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it'd sound better if you blackmailed a string quartet. < 1286756263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would of course. < 1286756271 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have no blackmail on string quartets :P < 1286756356 0 :Harpyon!~Harpyon@ti0031a380-0251.bb.online.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286756590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. So, my high school had two Japanese teachers. One was fluent in Japanese. The other had once been in Japan for a couple of weeks. < 1286756597 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one do you think they fired? Go on, guess. < 1286756719 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both? < 1286756722 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fluent one has to be payed more because he's more skilled. < 1286756726 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, he should be fired. < 1286756731 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because firing him saves more money. < 1286756740 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the same reason why you cut music instead of PE. < 1286756758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the guy who had once been in Japan was fluent in German. < 1286756771 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he teach German too? < 1286756772 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess what language he no longer teaches! < 1286756778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He did. < 1286756780 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :german! < 1286756848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they don't have to pay him as a skilled German teacher, only a unskilled Japanese teacher :P < 1286756897 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I get to wince at the idea of students taking a year to learn kana. < 1286756962 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(KANA IS FREAKING EASY) < 1286757067 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Kana_chart.png Do you think it should take a year to learn this? < 1286757087 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286757089 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me? < 1286757091 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would take me decades. < 1286757107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly doubt that. < 1286757120 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you underestimate my inability to learn foreign languages. < 1286757128 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my ability to correctly use subtle double-negatives. < 1286757138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has very little with foreign languages per se. < 1286757141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just orthography. < 1286757153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean "little doodles on paper". < 1286757173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I highly doubt you have an actual inability to learn foreign languages. < 1286757185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just an inability to put up with the bullshit that is your typical foreign language course. < 1286757214 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will soon have an upload of op. 11 string quartet I actually like. < 1286757219 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... I don't even know how this is possible. < 1286757270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, foreign language classes usually *suck ass*. < 1286757313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see Engrish for details) < 1286757517 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that statement demeans ass-suckers everywhere. < 1286757552 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes, yes it does. < 1286757558 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So - there are 3 partitions. The recovery partition is it's own partition. The Windows partition is fux0red and I want to re-install it. Ubuntu is on the 3rd. Ubunto also has all the stuff I copied over from the non-bootable Windows partition, AND the R part of the DVD-R is broken, AND I don't have enough flash drive to put all of that stuff on. < 1286757588 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: And? < 1286757593 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The recovery program warns me it will wipe out 'drive C:'. I hope this means the WIndows partition. ANd that it leaves partition #3 alone. < 1286757606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not. < 1286757610 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means the entire disk. < 1286757612 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guarantee you this. < 1286757624 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guarantee it with my Super-Pessimism Powers < 1286757624 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including itself? I don't think THAT is the case. < 1286757707 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not itself :P < 1286757710 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I KNOW it's not the case, as I've used it before. but I didn't have anything on the 3rd partition at the time, so I don;t know what happens there) < 1286757717 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it probably reinitializes the partition table to its saved default. < 1286757847 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1286757853 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Let's see if I can't get this bitch of a game running. < 1286757870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Whooo. < 1286757894 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Groan. < 1286757906 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The "original" disc is the Sold-Out rerelease. Which is alright. < 1286757908 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But. < 1286757911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not original :P < 1286757916 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does have the exact original installer on it. < 1286757918 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's okay. < 1286757927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least something that was put on a disc at one point, though. < 1286757939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So was the Russian monstrosity. < 1286757963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something *sane* that was put on disc. < 1286758001 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMGOMGOMG < 1286758011 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WOOT FULLSCREEN INSTALLER < 1286758011 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is sooooo good. < 1286758011 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 VSTi's so much < 1286758012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fails to start) < 1286758025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do not worry! < 1286758030 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have SCIENCE on my side. < 1286758134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The installer starts! < 1286758143 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man this is the one with the radioactive hazard sign on the sheep. < 1286758147 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...just a graphic when it installs.) < 1286758166 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lawl, it installs so quickly that you barely see it. < 1286758318 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet-VSTi-2010-10-10.ogg < 1286758428 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Now I just gotta get NoCD working and see about DirectDraw. < 1286758457 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worms: Armageddon v3.6.29.0 Beta [EURO] No-CD/Fixed EXE #2 < 1286758459 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worms: Armageddon v3.6.29.0 Beta [EURO] No-CD/Fixed EXE #1 < 1286758461 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LIKE HOW IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH THEM < 1286758779 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: status update? < 1286758790 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I have it almost working! < 1286758797 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need to find an updated DirectDraw and I'll have a complete guide. < 1286758812 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a win7 one. That's probably wrong, right? < 1286758822 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Dude, I gave you a direct link to a torrent. < 1286758825 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the *only one* that will work. < 1286758833 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I mean the directdraw dll < 1286758834 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Hmm. Need a Windows DirectDraw? < 1286758836 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, me and pikhq gave you a link to the same torrent simultaneously, right after you asked. < 1286758839 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh < 1286758842 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no < 1286758844 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's a patched WINE one < 1286758854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, i got this under control :P < 1286758869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[madewokherd has stopped updating ddraw.dll for new Wine versions. Instead, he recommends to: grab the patch attached to wine bug 2082, apply the wined3d part, build wine (if someone wants to precompile them, wined3d.dll can presumably be dropped in like ddraw was, but the wined3d api changes often), set DirectDrawRenderer to "gdi"]] < 1286758872 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO FUCK YOU < 1286758877 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaw. Windows DirectDraw is so much easier to get. < 1286758891 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hey friend < 1286758892 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna compile wine?! < 1286758901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No thanks. < 1286758913 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but you were going to anyway :P < 1286758920 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I compiled wine yesterday. < 1286758934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I compiled it once today. That's enough. < 1286758939 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: With that specific patch? < 1286758957 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=17739 < 1286758959 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look how small it is! < 1286758961 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look! < 1286758965 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU JUST WANT TO COMPILE IT < 1286758969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'course not! < 1286759031 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, how come it works fullscreen but not in a window. < 1286759051 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Works") < 1286759101 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaaaaaad, from 5:30 on it's totally real. < 1286759102 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS IS MAGIC < 1286759102 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DARK MAGIC < 1286759110 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The good kind) < 1286759120 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Compile Wine. < 1286759141 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The good kind of dark magic, i.e. light magic. < 1286759143 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pooppy can't solve all your problems! < 1286759166 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: RACIST < 1286759179 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: You just told me not to do that < 1286759192 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: In this case, there's an excellent reason to. < 1286759196 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: *Not* to use the created Wine. < 1286759200 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for one specific DLL. < 1286759202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: My goodness, it sounds like music. < 1286759212 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: q1) Must I apply that patch? < 1286759222 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I KNOW < 1286759226 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q2) Give me the necessary git commands to checkout the repo version and I'll do it < 1286759227 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You must. Hey wait, I have an idea. < 1286759230 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"> Here is compiled wined3d.dll.so for wine 1.2 with this patch. Enjoy!" < 1286759231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synthesised, to be sure, but... Good. < 1286759233 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2 is almost 1.3, right? < 1286759235 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try that one. < 1286759236 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The section from 7min is downright haunting. < 1286759244 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mom is downright haunting < 1286759248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: ... Wait, you're needing d3d.dll? < 1286759258 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: if it doesn't work, I repeat my comment about git < 1286759259 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wined3d.dll. PATCHED. < 1286759261 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A specific patch. < 1286759273 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Actually IMHO the main reason it's noticeably synthesized is the usual synth "too perfect" problem. < 1286759289 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0% [ ] 13,820 3.02K/s eta 11m 13s < 1286759292 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay two meg files that take five years to download < 1286759293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, the high bit kinda sucks. < 1286759294 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh now it's sped up < 1286759299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Any reason the real d3d.dll won't work? < 1286759306 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because it's a hacky patch that breaks most things. < 1286759310 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr wine is shit, this hack fixes it < 1286759314 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You mean the solo violin held note? < 1286759322 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, it's awful :P < 1286759332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But everything surrounding that is awesome! X-P < 1286759334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sounds more like a viola. But yeah. < 1286759340 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!userinterps < 1286759342 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Installed user interpreters: aol austro b1ff bc bct bfbignum brit brooklyn bypass_ignore bytes chaos chef chiqrsx9p choo cockney ctcp dc decisionengine drawl drome dubya echo eehird ehird fudd funetak google graph gregor he hello id jethro kraut num ook pansy pi pirate plot postmodern postmodern_aoler redneck reverse rot13 sadbf sfedeesh sffedeesh sffffedeesh sffffffffedeesh simpleacro slashes svedeesh swedish valspeak warez yodawg < 1286759366 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sfedeesh BLACK MAGIC < 1286759373 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLECK MEGIC < 1286759473 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, it sounds a bit more realstruments < 1286759496 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: < 1286759498 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/system/emulators/wine/wine-1.3.4.tar.bz2 < 1286759503 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apply this patch: http://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=17739 < 1286759505 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :build < 1286759525 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and extract wined3d.dll(maybe .so after that) < 1286759529 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upload it somewhere < 1286759531 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rejoice < 1286759556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This is reminding me once again that you make awesome music. :P < 1286759709 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: :| < 1286759777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, how goes Opus 13 Movement 2? < 1286759802 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can't play it 8'( < 1286759806 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: are you actually doing that? :P < 1286759815 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I make the "final" recording I like to actually play it through, no severe edits, properly. < 1286759824 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I've tried, I've screwed up horribly somewhere. < 1286759831 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes me go "argh" < 1286759832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Aaaaaw. < 1286759840 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU NEED BETTER HANDS < 1286759854 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ping coppro. < 1286759882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: CONSIDER THYSELF PIN < 1286759891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: CONSIDER THYSELF PINGÉD < 1286759911 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider thyself the pin thou art. < 1286759964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How pin þou art. < 1286760025 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You know, your only hope of getting this guide today is to do that :P < 1286760026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You do it. < 1286760063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Oh, fine, fine. < 1286760066 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[NEXT CONTEST] What will THIS post's point count be midnight on Monday? Winner gets free copy of TF2, Minecraft, or donation satisfaction." < 1286760068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET < 1286760068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE < 1286760068 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK < 1286760070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OFF < 1286760070 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY < 1286760071 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REDDIT < 1286760074 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: < 1286760075 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> http://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/system/emulators/wine/wine-1.3.4.tar.bz2 < 1286760076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Apply this patch: http://bugs2.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=17739 < 1286760078 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> build < 1286760080 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> and extract wined3d.dll(maybe .so after that) < 1286760082 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Upload it somewhere < 1286760084 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<alise> Rejoice < 1286760095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Do not use the resulting compilation; that patch is evil and it breaks more applications than it fixes. < 1286760101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is useful solely for the extraction. < 1286760138 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure&&make -j3, away! < 1286760165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang, that is one evil patch. < 1286760167 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You trust wine with -j3? < 1286760173 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I treat Wine like nuclear waste. < 1286760175 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is VOLATILE. < 1286760190 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possibly one of the most perverse pieces of software ever. < 1286760202 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll soon see if I shouldn't. < 1286760211 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's clean-room rewrite an entire, crufty, backwards-compatible-to-the-80s operating system's entire library base! For Linux!" < 1286760220 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, let's handle all the crazy direct hardware shit it has too!" < 1286760224 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TEN YEARS LATER < 1286760231 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH OH GOD WHAT IS THIS" < 1286760250 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I like how it doesn't even bother dedenting the block. < 1286760258 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just, like, "yeah, sure, whatever, {...} is perfectly valid." < 1286760305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: I find it quite impressive that it actually supports *all* the Win16 stuff. < 1286760308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, perfectly. < 1286760333 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I basically wish Windows software would go away so I don't have to be scared by Wine. < 1286760341 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not my kind of program. < 1286760362 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wine is the single hackiest thing I know of. < 1286760373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Especially its Win16 support on x86_64. < 1286760382 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More hacky than Windows itself? ;) < 1286760398 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never run Wine < 1286760401 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. < 1286760401 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOUNDS LIKE FUN < 1286760415 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Windows API at least makes some sort of sense in a kernel, on bare hardware. < 1286760433 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It relies upon how no published Win16 program actually *used* its ability to write on all memory. < 1286760451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it runs Win16 programs in actual protected mode. < 1286760476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16-bit protected mode. < 1286760505 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :visions of sugarplums dance in my head! < 1286760510 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty great on an OS that has no 16-bit binary support itself. < 1286760532 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it convinces the Linux kernel to set up the segment table *just* right on the wineserver process) < 1286760583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On 32-bit Linux, it just does the whole psuedo-real mode thing and traps the interrupts. Just like everything newer than Windows 3.0 does for Win16 and DOS. < 1286760675 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: This is why Wine scares me. < 1286760713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: And yet its Win16 support is the least hackish bit. < 1286760732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because most of the behavior (and essentially all of the relevant behavior) is actually known. < 1286760776 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How goes that compilation? < 1286760813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: So, um. This wined3d.dll.so. I hope it doesn't need to go in the system install of WINE. < 1286760864 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It does not. < 1286760869 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: filebin.ca if you have it < 1286760882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going. < 1286760898 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go in about six minutes, so yeah, quickness is nice. < 1286760898 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone tried some kind of qemu hybrid, where the program is run in qemu, but the wm is intercepted so that X displayed the windows? < 1286760930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uploading. < 1286760938 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: that's called qemu + vnc server or whatever < 1286760941 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or remote X < 1286760954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wondering if it'll cooperate. < 1286760982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uploading at... Slow. < 1286761010 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: so that would act like wine, where i could run windows apps in X? < 1286761010 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How big's it? < 1286761012 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, stop that torrent. < 1286761017 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: 5MB < 1286761024 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Very slowly and with little to no keyboard integration. < 1286761026 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1286761028 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clipboard. < 1286761037 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 kbps; should be a couple minutes. < 1286761037 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hurry uuup I have to go and I'd like to make sure it works first. < 1286761040 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, I must try it < 1286761040 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Closest you'll get is VirtualBox's "seamless" (is that the name?) mode. < 1286761047 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, closest you'll get without X forwarding. < 1286761070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seamless mode sucks. < 1286761073 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a game in my cereal box and I want to run it lol < 1286761076 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1286761082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just makes the desktop transparent. < 1286761095 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parallels' seamless mode is ebtter < 1286761097 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a mac thing. < 1286761101 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <calamari> I got a game in my cereal box and I want to run it lol < 1286761123 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm already totally late at sleeping my friend, do not taunt happy fun Worms player. < 1286761124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: http://filebin.ca/gsmdxg/wined3d.dll.so < 1286761125 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :238|<calamari> I got a game in my cereal box and I want to run it lol < 1286761126 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: ... wtf? < 1286761134 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wtf? < 1286761150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Also, wine. It's, y'know, the topic of conversation here for the last day X-P < 1286761157 0 :Harpyon!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286761165 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah wine failed me :( < 1286761174 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game wanted 16-bit color mode < 1286761185 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It almost works! < 1286761187 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Menu works it crashes. < 1286761190 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: what kind of cereal are YOU eating? < 1286761201 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: store brand, believe it or not < 1286761209 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get this game in a cereal box fifteen years ago? < 1286761252 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Everything but playing an actual game works. < 1286761260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: Balls. < 1286761269 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright on the disc is 2005 < 1286761277 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it a few weeks ago < 1286761279 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do not despair! I will get it working. < 1286761297 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: My current great-great terrible idea is to compile wine <1.0, which I know to have worked in the past. < 1286761312 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, it logs into WormNET. < 1286761342 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it? < 1286761344 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1286761349 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does! Err... < 1286761353 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look like WormNET. < 1286761368 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise: btw how does a vnc server help.. wouldn't that just show the entire desktop, same as regular qemu? < 1286761375 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: well. < 1286761377 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X forwarding < 1286761382 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but windows doesn't do X < 1286761386 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a game it won't be in a window anyway < 1286761394 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg use webex NO < 1286761431 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat xD < 1286761445 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, you know what? < 1286761453 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'll have a guide and something working by tomorrow. < 1286761456 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for your help. < 1286761461 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vnc-like (-based?) conferencing tool < 1286761487 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tends to freak out when two users are both "the presenter" < 1286761497 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite recursion of desktop display < 1286761553 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like such recursion. < 1286761559 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pointing cameras at their display < 1286761568 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1286761570 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye. < 1286761573 0 :alise!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286762062 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://codu.org/music/op11/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet.flac Quell thy FLACitude. < 1286762758 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> gParse "SIIKK" < 1286762760 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pair S (Pair I (Pair I (Pair K K))),"") < 1286762762 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WRONG. < 1286762786 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite a bit trickier than the actual reduction part, it seems < 1286762914 0 :cimon!~cimon@wikipedia/Cimon-avaro JOIN :#esoteric < 1286763747 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> kParse "SSIIK" < 1286763748 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pair (Pair (Pair (Pair S S) I) I) K,[]) < 1286763757 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better! DOesn't handle parens yet though. < 1286763975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 Audio should have a "pipe raw audio here" function. < 1286763991 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you could write decoders in JS and not be stuck to a format. < 1286764288 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> kParse "SS(IIK)" < 1286764289 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pair (Pair S S) (Pair (Pair I I) K),"") < 1286764291 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w00t < 1286764381 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/1212086 <-- my awful code < 1286764446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, cpressey: Is there a reason you're having an identity crisis? < 1286764465 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286764465 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286764470 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1286764473 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1286764487 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the reason is weechat < 1286764692 0 :cimon!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286764704 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously we didn't excite cimon too much :P < 1286764746 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadness < 1286764759 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten again, esoteria can alienate the normal and benign < 1286764779 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, those who don't like madness or tentacles, c.f. Cthulhu < 1286764782 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eleven again. < 1286764822 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twoche < 1286764828 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Spelling deliberate) < 1286764842 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threede! < 1286764854 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four shame. < 1286764856 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Obscure Spanish pun intentional) < 1286764871 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my favourite chunks of The Goon Show < 1286764876 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touche < 1286764878 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threeche < 1286764879 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sabrina < 1286764883 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All: HOORAY! < 1286765243 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's a fast, statically typed, compiled language that feels like a dynamically typed, interpreted language." < 1286765257 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... it's actually not a very nice feeling... < 1286765300 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to check out Plof instead. < 1286765518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a runtime defined language. :) < 1286765581 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which FEELS like a runtime defined languag! < 1286765587 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*language < 1286765598 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did, until I just got the error message, "Cast failed < 1286765720 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh Gregor makin' me install autoconf < 1286765760 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you download plof3, or Fythe? < 1286765836 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hg clone https://codu.org/projects/plof/hg/ plof < 1286765842 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you recomment Fythe instead? < 1286765847 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*d < 1286765848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No(t yet) < 1286765862 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plof3 works, Fythe is but the fevered dream of a madman :P < 1286765881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Fythe has working parts. < 1286765898 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: configure.ac:7: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE < 1286765906 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the "possibly" < 1286765921 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Don't blame autoconf on the fact that you don't have automake installed :P < 1286765925 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THE SYMBOL TABLE. i can't be arsed to check < 1286765939 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'snot a symbol table, 's a macro expansion. < 1286765951 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That message means "This looks like it's probably a macro" < 1286765951 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :automake is already the newest version. < 1286765962 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sez apt-get instal < 1286765971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then somehow autoconf and automake aren't happy with each other. < 1286765975 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What command did you use? autoreconf? < 1286765981 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay Ubuntu yay < 1286765984 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoconf < 1286765991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's your problem. < 1286765992 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use autoreconf < 1286765993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoreconf < 1286766006 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an autoREconf? oh fuck computers are amazing < 1286766036 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autoreconf, in spite of its poor name, is a frontend for the whole autosuite. < 1286766042 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa I have a configure script now < 1286766080 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it doesn't know if it's a macro or what, the message should be "possiblE undefined macro". < 1286766092 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1286766096 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it should. < 1286766143 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"or maybe you are write stupid code in your .ac and will face FULL LIFE CONSEQUENCES!" < 1286766203 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: possibly undefined macro: FULL_LIFE_CONSEQUENCES < 1286766270 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, you might enjoy Fythe, when/iff it exists :P < 1286766287 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have it built, but make install didn < 1286766294 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't install a binary? or < 1286766303 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary name is cplof < 1286766327 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok found it! ha < 1286766432 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :output is line buffered i see < 1286766454 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: how do I find out what methods Stdin supports? < 1286766463 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286766480 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 stupid problem of picking up a language: the common operations always have their own names < 1286766487 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and interfaces < 1286766500 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Stdout.write (Stdin) < 1286766502 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cast failed < 1286766517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<cpressey> actually seems pretty close to the "non-repeating sequence <-> unbounded storage" thing... to have a non-self-similar fractal, you essentially need a non-repeating sequence" <<< almost all sequences are non-repeating with the usual measure < 1286766526 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Stdin * 2 < 1286766527 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variable opMul undefined. < 1286766538 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it does NOT support multiplication. OK! < 1286766566 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes. but almost all sequences can't be generated. < 1286766612 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welcome to the universe! It's mostly chaos! And YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY." < 1286766672 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact let's prove that: a periodic sequence will have the period n for some n, {x | x has period n} is a finite set, so it has zero measure with a nontrivial measure; therefore the union as n goes to infinity will also have zero measure by subadditivity < 1286766736 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the original question hung on whether any of these non-self-similar (or even uncomputable, let's extend it to) things had fractional dimension (i.e. were fractals); i don't see why not but have no way to show it < 1286766800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't find the original < 1286766800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286766887 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well clearly you can just change one point and make it non-self-similar < 1286766915 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractal as a R^n right? < 1286766948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1286766950 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was Phantom_Hoover who brought it up. Not sure exactly what he had in mind (since there are a couple of ways to define fractal measures, iirc) < 1286766952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*subset of < 1286766962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just know hausdorff dimension < 1286767082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you partition into sets S, compute x^d's where d is your dimension and x \in S, and sum up < 1286767087 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :|{x | x has period n}| = ω < 1286767089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably all the details are wrong < 1286767097 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1286767110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh do we have an infinite alphabet < 1286767112 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not infinite but it's... not finite either < 1286767119 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, finite alphabet < 1286767125 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but n can go as large as you like < 1286767130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then |A|^n < 1286767157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no n is fixed; if it's not, then the set is countably infinite < 1286767170 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why countably?) < 1286767171 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh n is fixed < 1286767188 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1286767224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i woke up at 5 am so i could do my homework < 1286767235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should consider doing that < 1286767246 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless there's more math to do here < 1286767252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i'm checking hausdorff measure < 1286767299 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286767375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take the infimum over all such covers where all diameters are smaller than a delta, and THEN you let delta go to zero < 1286767433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the function delta -> this thing is increasing because less ways to cover are permitted < 1286767480 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then comes in le magic: turns out just one d value can give you a nontrivial measure for any set (iirc) < 1286767498 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286767509 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more checking < 1286767523 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no math to do here! < 1286767538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh erm < 1286767551 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly adventure games disguised as math < 1286767558 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trickery! < 1286767559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so what i said was correct, but what i meant was not, lucky me for using such vague language < 1286767650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually i guess i meant roughly correctly too < 1286767661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaanyway it's pretty cool this stuff here < 1286767691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that would mean ANY metric space has a w.d. hausdorff dimension < 1286767859 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SERIOUSLY HOW COOL IS THAT?!? < 1286767870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on people get excited < 1286767901 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm as excited as my understanding of the material allows! < 1286767951 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<catseye> oh n is fixed" <<< union as n goes to infinity meant \union_{n->infty} {x | x has period n}, so it should have been clear n was fixed! < 1286767972 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was jumping ahead! < 1286767980 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft understanding, you don't have to understand when you have a definition < 1286768209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is this an outer measure... obviously empty set has measure zero, obviously subadditive using the usual 1/2^n proof, obviously monotone because same covers work for smaller set, and... wait that was all :D < 1286768269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotone being A subset B => m(A) <= m(B), subadd. being m(A union B) <= m(A) + m(B) but for countable unions instead of just two < 1286768308 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are we discussting here? < 1286768314 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like interesting math < 1286768337 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :measures of sets of periodic sequences, I *think* < 1286768381 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286768398 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets back to proving things about the divisibility of the Mersenne numbers < 1286768432 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 1/2^n proof is as follows: sum of all e/2^n is just e, so if A = union {A_n}, for any e, we take covers for A_n such that the cover of A_i is of size at most m(A_i) + e/2^i, this is possible because m(A_i) is defined as an infimum over all covers, so you can get arbitrarily close; then you sum up you get a cover for A that's at most e bigger than sum_{i->infty} {m(A_i)} < 1286768445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and we do this for each delta separately ofc < 1286768474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deltas being that weird number we used in the definition of hd measure < 1286768479 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that goes to zero < 1286768490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s < 1286768510 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: no now i'm just proving random things. < 1286768591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i proved was that the hausdorff measure is an "outer measure", which is almost a measure but a bit less demanding < 1286768713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an outer measure is actually really simple to get, because they arise from almost any kind of covering definition < 1286768808 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1286769640 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay 10 pm on arbitrarily-numbered dat < 1286769642 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*day < 1286769994 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 5 minute's it will be 10:10 oh boy oh boy can't wait < 1286770005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a better time zone, you. < 1286770395 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn,missed it < 1286770416 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1286770426 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will come again in... A THOUSAND YEARS? < 1286770436 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a hundred < 1286770440 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending < 1286770581 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, a much better day will come in a year and a month and a day and an hour and a minute and a second. < 1286770626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get your time machine. < 1286770649 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fetches his. Gets 3600 seconds/hour! < 1286770670 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reverse is broken, though. < 1286770717 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@ip98-177-157-69.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286770732 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286770732 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_pizza I LOVE YOU SCOTLAND < 1286770739 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286770821 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A common accompanying beverage is Irn-Bru, a carbonated soft drink." < 1286770824 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'VE HAD THAT! < 1286770829 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prouds < 1286770860 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it contains three different artificial sweeteners, if memory serves) < 1286770964 0 :lament!~lament@S0106002312fa554a.vc.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286772187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so i told him if he can't get his penis to behave, they're just gonna have to make him pay extra < 1286772308 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286772328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he just kept on sticking that thing everywhere, and i mean EVERYWHERE < 1286772724 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o mai < 1286772728 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sticks it in oklopol < 1286772889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll respond when someone joins. < 1286772899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL I GUESS YOU JUST DID HUH < 1286772902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286772907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :joined my virtual ass < 1286772923 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i misunderstood < 1286772998 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fags < 1286773017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not very nice < 1286773023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apologize < 1286773031 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to whom? < 1286773035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fags < 1286773040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me and lament < 1286773051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that guy i aws talking about < 1286773053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was < 1286773059 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yourself, apparently. < 1286773061 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, fags < 1286773077 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anthropomorphic cigarettes of the world forgive you. < 1286773096 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did lament have to apologize to himself? < 1286773113 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oklopol> apologize <lament> to whom? <oklopol> me and lament < 1286773116 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't apologize to myself < 1286773119 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286773120 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286773123 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i apologized to fags < 1286773136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why *and* < 1286773144 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already mentioned him < 1286773284 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's right < 1286773286 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lost < 1286773295 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wan < 1286773329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was distracted by imagining you-slash-augur. < 1286773337 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With the emphasis on the slash) < 1286773345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: please apologize to GreaseMonkey < 1286773347 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so was i < 1286773349 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aeroihg < 1286773351 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gregor < 1286773416 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286773428 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you set your tab complete on "most recent" < 1286773438 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: You have committed the crime of having your nick start with 'Gr' :P < 1286773545 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: i would never do that, because it's not possible for someone to be stupid enough to make an irc client that uses alphabetical order < 1286773550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be wasting my time < 1286773577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what GreaseMonkey erm Gregor said < 1286773600 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dog seems to find braindrill interesting < 1286773616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it just wants to poop < 1286773670 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286773674 0 :augur_!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286773952 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weechat's tab complete seems to default to 'most recent' < 1286773989 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat's is ... weird. < 1286773993 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o[tab] = oklopol < 1286774003 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c[tab] = it gives a disambiguation list and doesn't complete at all < 1286774014 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o[tab][tab] = olsner, for what it's worth < 1286774017 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the first in my list is catseye < 1286774024 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: HI YOU TOTALLY WANTED TO BE PINGED < 1286774125 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do I find that one Chopin tune I really like < 1286774137 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in a ST:TNG episode once! < 1286774141 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all I remember < 1286774150 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably find it from that < 1286774158 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can hum it and send me a recording < 1286774170 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's not Noc. 20, and not Op. 9, i know that much now < 1286774206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Hit Memory Alpha. < 1286774209 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Chopin < 1286774219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see? < 1286774225 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was background music, though < 1286774237 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THUS, NON CANONABLE < 1286774238 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaw. < 1286774338 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just have to borrow a compilation of his etudes from the library again < 1286774357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just note that I'm the very model of a modern major general. < 1286774399 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chopin's second set of Études was published in 1837, and dedicated to Franz Liszt's mistress, Marie d'Agoult, the reasons for which are a matter of speculation." < 1286774403 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well < 1286774415 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speculate away! < 1286774498 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threesomes. < 1286774510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The obvious conclusion! < 1286774543 0 :flippo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, also get the Ballades, Preludes, and Nocturnes to be safe < 1286774551 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flippo: I' < 1286774568 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm *pretty* sure I encountered it in his etudes. Not 100% sure, so, yes. < 1286774578 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And WP does seem to have them all. < 1286774606 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's audio is not working for me now < 1286774621 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1286774628 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286774675 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man. < 1286774806 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etudes: are they supposed to be difficult to play, or enjoyable? i guess both. < 1286774880 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1286774917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. IPv6 makes mobile IP not suck. < 1286774929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that one can have a roaming IP address. < 1286775040 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple puzzle: 6x6 grid, you're given domino tiles {(0, 0), (0, 1)} and {(0, 0), (1, 0)}, and you need to fill the grid in such a way that any line through the interior of the grid intersects a domino; possible? < 1286775222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i initially thought it was trivial, but took me ages to actually find concrete proof < 1286775233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least a minute) < 1286775262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i) < 1286775271 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm not comfortable giving an upper bound) < 1286775275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in mobile IPv4, packets to a roaming IP go to where they normally would be routed, and then those packets get wrapped and sent to the actual IP of the host by the "home agent". In IPv6, it works much the same except that every router is a home agent, and hosts are *expected* to be able to just wrap the packets themselves.) < 1286775474 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet is such a mess < 1286775539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retrofit on retrofit. < 1286775567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and shit hits the fan in a few months. Can't forget that. < 1286775603 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense < 1286775648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv4 addresses all gone. < 1286775656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! cool < 1286775685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate the real world, all things should be designed from scratch, never on top of old stuff. i wish there was a god. < 1286775692 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1286775711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286775716 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, IPv6 has a lot of it designed from scratch. < 1286775726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's pretty divine < 1286775814 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i could not find it amongst the etudes, so maybe it is a nocturne. I do like this one though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89tude_Op._25,_No._11_(Chopin) and no. 6 is also nice < 1286775853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=124PxX6XPCM&feature=related i like this one < 1286775880 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though i don't really get this music, yet at least < 1286775961 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's boring and crappy < 1286775975 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this song is pretty simple < 1286775979 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a good example < 1286775984 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"death metal so pungent it made my laptop reboot" < 1286775987 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well almost < 1286775993 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saved it by fiddling with the power cord < 1286776016 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you can actually tell that's random and not just complicated? < 1286776032 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would save my time! < 1286776047 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286776074 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you just think it's really simple? < 1286776087 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's simple < 1286776090 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first riff is a pretty standard thing but i don't get the latter half < 1286776135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Liferea, you suck at podcasts SO HARD < 1286776142 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some tech metal is really complicated, this is not it < 1286776147 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good rhythm fux0ring is hard to do well. i still think it's hard to beat Rush < 1286776153 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm. He double-clicked on the file for a podcast. Let's *delete it and redownload it*." < 1286776204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part after :40 sounds completely random to me < 1286776208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while < 1286776279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes with "Fuck you, I'll try compiling Miro." < 1286776294 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'll try sleeping < 1286776296 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1286776300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1286776321 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286776456 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: you don't happen to remember names of complicated tech bands? i chose this one because it's considered really insane. < 1286776470 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :( < 1286776480 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't listen to metal < 1286776487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1286776538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that first riff sounds like someone added whitenoise to dimmu borgir < 1286776564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: You should. < 1286776595 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is too short to listen to all the music in the world < 1286776596 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: what do you think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5_GzuM7ZiU ? < 1286776609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one even i get < 1286776611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you should be immortal. < 1286776615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, only the good music. < 1286776617 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's nice < 1286776622 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?o < 1286776624 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asfdoig < 1286776628 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1286776628 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1286776628 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/\ < 1286776670 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :faceless is one of the few bands of this type i actually get, and still find them good < 1286776682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it's hours of listening and then realizing ah, it was crap all along < 1286776794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think i listen to this stuff because of the wrong reasons, because the same people who listen to these sensible ones listen to ones where you repeat the same riff for 5 minutes and the singer has a REALLY COOL GROWL. < 1286776807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should get better friends < 1286777498 0 :augur_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286777535 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah... Ocassionally this way too: "A is the best predictor for B". Yeah, probably, since B is _known_ to _cause_ A. < 1286777590 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and guess what field of "science" the example of this I ran into was from?) < 1286777738 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't mean that A is the best predictor for B, since that statement alone doesn't say that nothing else causes A. < 1286777847 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286777890 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ < 1286777891 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :       |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | < 1286777891 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     |\/<  |\/|  |\/< /|  >\/`\ < 1286778709 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :It is the nineties and there is time for esoteric topics in computing and programming languages. | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1286779199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaand the Miro ebuild is the single most broken thing ever. < 1286779208 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It essentially cannot build. < 1286779212 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1286779215 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-75.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286779223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is literally no configuration of Gentoo wherein it will build anymore. < 1286779235 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is so very fucked up. < 1286779930 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286779956 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286780905 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286780926 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286781191 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286781285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cpressey> @tell oerjan The problem with the "non-self-similar fractal" of a triangle, square, pentagon... is that as n gets large, n-gons do tend to look... well, similar. < 1286781396 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some sense the problem is that up to a given level of approximation, there are only a finite number of shapes. < 1286781476 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say if by approximation you mean n*n bit pattern, only 2^(n*n) ones. < 1286781648 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286781663 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286782117 0 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286782165 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286782170 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1286782286 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286782449 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286783433 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286783616 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Error due to lack of fire and water. < 1286783646 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd XD < 1286783999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286784000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286784525 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahahaha < 1286784565 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1286784618 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286784928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what? xkcd is funny? *checks* < 1286784985 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new xkcd strip < 1286785001 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, new? you mean the last one? < 1286785012 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one up as of today < 1286785016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286785093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah indeed < 1286785174 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't forget the hovertext) < 1286785439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, of course not, what was Solomon known for again < 1286785501 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...bloody atheist :D < 1286785503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The baby-splitting. < 1286785508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1286785516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, thanks :P < 1286785525 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, but actually I'm agnostic :P < 1286785562 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if they manage to scientifically prove any religion I'm prepared to accept that it might be a viable theory < 1286785569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fat chance for that though :P < 1286785798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only religion I know of that comes even close to not contradicting most of what we scientifically know today is Buddhism. < 1286785830 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's why I would be a buddhist if I ever 'had to' pick a religion. < 1286785852 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some supernatural flavors of buddhism, though. < 1286785897 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, hm? Well some of the seemingly supernatural stuff is stuff there is no evidence either way for. I mean, reincarnation, there is absolutely no proof in any direction there < 1286785916 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286785916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what did you mean? < 1286785937 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the ones that worship the original buddha as a god, or that promise immediate effects of karma. < 1286785954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay, I wasn't aware of such variants < 1286786111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, in some aspects buddhism is more of a philosophy than a religion I'd say < 1286786146 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a religion < 1286786150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1286786155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but less so than many other ones < 1286786158 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it's philosophical instead of theistic < 1286786164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286786182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya this is why I said "in some aspects" < 1286786210 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286786270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, you are not one of those nick changers right? < 1286786282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps thinking that wareya must be warringal (sp?) < 1286786309 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wareya < 1286786313 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just and only wareya < 1286786317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1286786338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those persistent nick changers are confusing. I mean, I just permanently changed nick once since I went on irc < 1286786340 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a language where you can have negative sized variables < 1286786361 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya, I'd love to, but then I'll miss the bus to university. So bbl! < 1286786386 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later < 1286786687 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all kinds buddhism promise effects of karma < 1286786690 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kinds of < 1286786828 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I said immediate < 1286787237 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of it being immediate or not that's a religious thing < 1286787272 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least supernatural < 1286787311 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the promises of karma's effects happen after reincarnation, then they're unarguable < 1286787634 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_characteristics_of_the_Buddha#The_32_Signs_of_the_Great_Man < 1286788844 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello sweethearts < 1286789141 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about that, lament? < 1286790826 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# His sexual organs are concealed in a sheath. It also produces smegma with a fragrant odour. (Pali: kosohitavatguyho). < 1286790829 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheheh < 1286790864 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1286791123 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286842102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating new ones on the fly < 1286842107 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice < 1286842112 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the topics have come up: one thing DragonFlyBSD can do is sleep for very small amounts of time very accurately. I don't remember if it's <0.1ms or not. It accomplishes it with a PLL implemented in software. (Whatever else may be true, Matt can be a very clever engineer.) < 1286842118 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwwww, I have a purry kitty! < 1286842125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : vgs < 1286842125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : VG #PV #LV #SN Attr VSize VFree < 1286842126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : array 1 9 0 wz--n- 927,32g 543,32g < 1286842139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ lvs < 1286842139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : LV VG Attr LSize Origin Snap% Move Log Copy% Convert < 1286842139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ccache array -wi-ao 2,00g < 1286842139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : home array -wi-ao 70,00g < 1286842141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1286842141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: lvm isn't that useful. < 1286842149 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens to the file systems when you resize partitions though? < 1286842151 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, depends on your needs < 1286842159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, it has an impossibly incomprehensibly badly designed UI < 1286842171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, you have to run the resizing tool for that to grow it, or shrink it in advance < 1286842173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to be like Vorpal and pretend you actually have a use for any of this shit < 1286842179 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ext3 can do online resising < 1286842179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :through advanced self-delusion < 1286842184 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, i try to search for this, all i get is netbsd < 1286842190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I actually *have* use for it < 1286842215 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty convinced that ext3 is pretty sucky < 1286842221 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it is: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/presentations/nanosleep/ < 1286842222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no you don't < 1286842227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1286842234 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ext4 can as well < 1286842239 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, same for xfs, jfs and several other ones < 1286842241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: you mean dragonfly :P < 1286842242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not? < 1286842244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not netbsd < 1286842248 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ReiserFS the killer file system :D < 1286842248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do have use for a lot < 1286842255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not for every single feature of course < 1286842257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no you don't, you just like to think you do < 1286842260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use the features simply because they're there < 1286842261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, prove it < 1286842263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hur hur < 1286842265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no. < 1286842269 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you fail < 1286842296 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unless they changed the name, it's officially DragonFlyBSD (yes, with the studly F) < 1286842300 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, suggestion: read about lvm, make up your own mind < 1286842311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: "DragonFly BSD" < 1286842312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on their homepage < 1286842316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has the BSD catted on other pages < 1286842319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably unupdated ones < 1286842321 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to use ZFS, it always sounds super sexy, but iirc there are silly licensing issues that prevents integrating it in linux < 1286842327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Recent news from the DragonFly Digest < 1286842327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox really, finally, actually fixed < 1286842327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286842330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, project pages do work" < 1286842332 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: then they're... breaking formation < 1286842341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: was that a pun? oh god. < 1286842346 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flying thing pun not intended! no! < 1286842366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye, that was awful < 1286842374 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just, all the other BSDs do vnogfffffgghhhhhhhhhhhhh not have spaces in them < 1286842383 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that word was from my cat < 1286842413 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still gots the studly F tho < 1286842422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, Ubuntu includes very nice Japanese fonts by default. < 1286842432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As of two releases ago or something like that. Maybe more. < 1286842440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Is your cat the cat whose eye it is? < 1286842478 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can eyes of cats not own other cats? < 1286842489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, XD < 1286842493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →→→→ < 1286842496 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, for complicated reasons < 1286842510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Death? Destruction? Adoption? Run-away? < 1286842519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cat divorce? < 1286842565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 本当だかい。 < 1286842570 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-immolation? < 1286842578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: TRANSLATE < 1286842580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: by a *cat*? < 1286842582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh really? < 1286842603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I can screenshot those characters if you restate them without highlighting me so that they aren't in ugly red. < 1286842609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure they're the takao fonts. < 1286842616 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why not? < 1286842619 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :本当だかい。 < 1286842634 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :コレモ? < 1286842654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://imgur.com/yUCEF.png < 1286842675 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is a deep mystery, involving klein bottles and tuna < 1286842692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teah, that's a pretty reasonable font. < 1286849993 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antivigilante: The sheet music isn't QUITE done yet. < 1286849999 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antivigilante: Go read the sheet music for mov. 1 :P < 1286850007 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a midi, so i can try it with my own piano samples < 1286850014 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sure, that I can do. < 1286850020 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I just forgot to upload that. < 1286850025 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually do (a "digital piano roll") < 1286850030 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, fixes to do ... < 1286850038 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1286850060 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be checking your shit out me like < 1286850098 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antivigilante: http://codu.org/music/ < 1286850164 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you wouldn't happen to have KRegor versions would you? i don't actually hate Qt. < 1286850235 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Rosegarden < 1286850237 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1286850243 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286850247 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs quintopia in the face < 1286850308 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's the title of this movement? < 1286850315 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finale in Three < 1286850328 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- so original with names < 1286850345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fluidsynth seems to be failing me here ... STOP CUTTING IT OFF! < 1286850346 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it tagged. < 1286850375 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see Gregor is a Qt hata < 1286850380 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It wasn't tagged either??? < 1286850387 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, wtf happened producing these X_X < 1286850394 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cut off, untagged, weird audio, wtfwtfwtf < 1286850395 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why you wanna be all up in my Haterade and you don't even know the flava? < 1286850406 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try that again. < 1286850409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I would've had to retag it anyways; I am *picky*. < 1286850413 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregorface: midimidimidimidi < 1286850419 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wait, *cut off*? < 1286850422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Patience. < 1286850424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gagh. < 1286850436 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just the last note wasn't allowed to decay. < 1286850441 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROSEGARDEN < 1286850447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, irritating. < 1286850464 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BTW, Finale in Three is quite nice. < 1286850531 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a conspiracy + self-help site FIT (finale in three is gold) < 1286850554 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIT would be great for it < 1286850604 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antivigilante: That ... was the most incomprehensible sentence I have ever read. < 1286850663 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor could you add like an 8th rest so Fluidsynth doesn't drop it < 1286850683 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antivigilante: Exactly what I'm doing :P < 1286850697 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sainted sentence barked wistfully reminiscent of transparent golden emotional smypathies in clever Hungarian dog-faced noodle branches. < 1286850721 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my humble opinion < 1286850729 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me ask again - i'd like to feature this piece < 1286850817 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antivigilante: All of my works are under CC-by-sa < 1286850863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wait until I've fixed the weirdness in this ... < 1286850981 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try to write a music using non-standard notes other than 12-TET in some time. Try writing Bohlen-Pierce, and whatever else you can come up with < 1286851066 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I did once ... I ended up writing something that was just really out-of-tune 12-TET, and then rewriting that into ... Opus 8 maybe? < 1286851191 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Try something else, instead of just writing really out-of-tune 12-TET.... I have written a few Bohlen-Pierce musics < 1286851234 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't my intent to write out-of-tune 12-TET X-P < 1286851311 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That is what I thought. What was your intent? < 1286851345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, it was equal-temperament 10-ary octaves. < 1286851387 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awful < 1286851414 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps try something else next time, other than equal-temperament 10-ary octaves, and then see if you can do it better without making the same mistake < 1286851417 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, you know, hearing nothing but 12-TET musics for 25 years can make any variation sound awful < 1286851454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/op13/GRegor-op13-mov2.ogg updated, others forthcoming, http://codu.org/music/op13/GRegor-op13-mov2.mid for whoever wanted a digital piano roll. < 1286851477 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forms of just-intonation can work well for music that does a good use of it. < 1286851500 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggestion: try mixing 12-TET with just intonation in some key. it can have some very interesting effects. < 1286851621 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, my next musical directions are either making a real acoustic version of zee3 (which may very well be worthy of becoming Opus 14) or making a conductor program and using it to make a concerto that actually doesn't sound horrible played by a computer. < 1286851641 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notable work of this form: Tombeau de Messin by Jonathan Harvey < 1286851719 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to add some features to PPMCK < 1286851756 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: btw, what's your piano soundfont that's so much better than mine? < 1286851887 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a conductor program do? < 1286851899 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: bullshit < 1286851907 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about any variation sounding awful < 1286851913 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamelan sounds pretty great < 1286851922 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most variations sound awful because they are awful < 1286851958 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're invented by shitty musicians who care about music theory more than about music < 1286851966 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Hypothetically, allows one to add human tempo and dynamics to inhuman MIDI data. An example of such a program is Tapper, which works well but IMHO isn't suitable for multiple instruments. < 1286851980 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sounds cool < 1286851986 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION applauds lament's willingness to say things that Gregor is thinking :P < 1286852058 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO when you said you were writing a conductor you were *not* referring to a bfjoust strategy? < 1286852072 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: ... *sobblecopter* < 1286852146 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10ary? < 1286852158 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could always try to make it a polyglot i suppose < 1286852160 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: My conductor program concept is that you go from flat MIDI to good MIDI through two phases. First you tap out the tempo, and it inserts, say, 10 tempo-change events per beat to give it a smooth tempo variation while keeping the note timing right. Then, once per instrument, you play to add dynamics, with both tapping on keys to get the coarse/attack dynamics and some kind of joystick to get the fine/decay dynamics. < 1286852189 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like movie editing < 1286852200 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c-razy < 1286852211 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh i wanna see a movie edited like that < 1286852221 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they do < 1286852246 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm thinking more like if you could hook up a baton as the input device < 1286852267 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: AKA a wiimote < 1286852277 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WIITON < 1286852290 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: But I don't think that's sufficiently helpful in and of itself, frankly. I really like Tapper's interface. < 1286852341 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1286852347 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm not stopping you, i guess < 1286852359 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All that's stopping me is priorities :P < 1286852366 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :per earlier (non) agreement, that means nothing stopping me from writing a specializer < 1286852371 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but first < 1286852374 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavy drinking < 1286852400 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1286852438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay, so it's Kanntàkutâ, then. < 1286852442 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by light drinking, followed by heavy petting, followed by light regrets, followed by heavy coffee, followed by very heavy regrets. < 1286852446 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1286852462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I am forcing you to have a shitty name. < 1286852473 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: IN LIGHT OF PREV UGLINESS I REQUEST THAT YOU DO NOT USE THAT WORD < 1286852515 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders to which word the pressed one refers ... < 1286852562 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog seems a mite broken today < 1286852567 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1286852603 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: the word "petting". Not while the horrors of the FURRY-INFESTED OS are still fresh in my mind, you see. < 1286852625 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It took me an ENORMOUS amount of time to realize that Kanntàkutâ is stupid-Japanese for "conductor" < 1286852641 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, three minutes. < 1286852737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1286852925 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :áìųëō If only my romanisation scheme could produce such a smattering of diacritics normally. < 1286852934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, it cannot. < 1286853043 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286853081 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall need to get creative, and encode things nobody could possibly care about. < 1286853084 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286853154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is thinking something like, oh, the Old Japanese vowel system. < 1286853566 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except probabilistic < 1286853963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1286854050 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is a need for Japanese romanisation scheme with strange marks, since if unicode is available, you can just write using hiragana/katakana, anyways. < 1286854076 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how else will we reach the satellite? < 1286854122 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, perhaps that's just my shattered outlook on the world talking. < 1286854146 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, no way i can write a specializer right now. although i can see a couple of ways it could be done. < 1286854173 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a couple of ways in which it really cannot be done. because of that ol' undecidability thing. < 1286854222 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286854241 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it' < 1286854257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The point is I ♥ đìäçŕīṫıçŝ. < 1286854468 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the central problem wrt the 3rd projection is that the easiest way to do the 1st 2 projections is to have a dedicated language suited to interpreters (an easily identifiable command to do the "fetch execute" cycle, for example) and this language is kind of *ill* suited for writing a specializer. < 1286854499 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you turn the specializer on itself and it just goes 'whut?' < 1286854510 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although......... < 1286854698 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HOW COME YOU DON'T WRITE MORE MUSIC LIKE THIS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe1ScoePqVA < 1286854723 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Dude, I WROTE THAT. < 1286854730 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DUUUUUUUUUUUUDE < 1286854732 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in my afro days/daze < 1286854738 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION <3's Gregor < 1286854781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HOW COME YOU DON'T WRITE MORE MUSIC LIKE THIS file:///dev/random < 1286854792 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286854798 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Dude, I WROTE THAT. < 1286854806 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in my avant garde days/daze < 1286855024 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION roots around for the surviving copies of the music he's written < 1286855041 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't suppose you can play MED files < 1286855110 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means, I'm gonna have to convert it, which means, euurrr < 1286855113 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done it before < 1286855115 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be done < 1286855121 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have no frickin clue how anymore < 1286855257 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: But I want to win a big spider < 1286855269 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever think about the shannon-fano trees that are encoded in the control neuron pathways going to your fingers HU < 1286855284 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they're not shannon-fano trees but < 1286855291 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're something close right? < 1286855426 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're somewhere in your CNS, like, you're brain, not the control neurons themselves most likely < 1286855431 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*your < 1286855436 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE? < 1286855499 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286855562 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi calamari < 1286855575 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1286855620 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: what OS are you running? < 1286855623 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was given that "create groups" feature on facebook < 1286855634 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running Ubuntu < 1286855658 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: cheers. so am I. I'm going to see if you can listen to my music! (what's left of it) < 1286855668 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1286855669 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's a "create groups" feature? < 1286855694 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where you can automatically add your friends to a group.. for example, GNAA.. < 1286855721 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friends are already in GNAA < 1286855734 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: i dunno if it sounds better yet. i did spend a long time coaxing it to be full stereo (bass notes on the left, high treble on the right) like a real piano. < 1286855761 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow, it's a retarded feature that hopefully will be removed soon < 1286855762 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Coaxing your soundfont or my midi? My soundfont is like that anyway (so much so that I have to reduce it in post) < 1286855777 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286855795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Baaah, just get a real piano. < 1286855799 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (and a pony!) < 1286855820 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A good enough soundfont has advantages over a real piano. Also disadvantages. < 1286855820 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey antichrist < 1286855863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Firth is apparently making a feature-length film. < 1286855871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm frightened. < 1286855919 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still enjoy my roland scb-55 midi daughterboard < 1286856159 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: That's meeeeeeeeeeee < 1286856209 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to do homework... < 1286856226 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: i may have to coax your midi too, since midi just doesn't do adsr right when converted to it format < 1286856239 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it looks like you played this by hand on a keyboard < 1286856244 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did. < 1286856253 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't give you a raw MIDI, it would sound like shit :P < 1286856271 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, s/raw/from notation only/ < 1286856272 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1286856277 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: may I please, I want to hear it on my roland :) < 1286856313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: http://codu.org/music/op13/GRegor-op13-mov2.mid < 1286856314 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you didn't just overlay grand piano with a string font < 1286856329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... wtf? < 1286856340 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we talking about the same thing? :P < 1286856353 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must be talking about Op. 11 string quartet? < 1286856358 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286856367 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was cool, guess that's not this, sorry < 1286856368 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, he's talking about op. 13 mov. 2 X-P < 1286856384 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-39-32.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1286856390 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have that in MIDI form, at least not real MIDI form ... < 1286856401 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.rg doesn't like to export to MIDI when you have tempo ramping. < 1286856416 0 :yiyus!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286856432 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I'm not using a GM soundbank for output, so all the instruments would be wrong. < 1286856445 0 :yiyus!~124271242@67.202.106.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286856461 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's what I was asking < 1286856464 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286856481 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no midis are playing, guess I'd better troubleshoot that first < 1286856495 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286856517 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're willing to fix the instruments yourself, I'll make a .mid < 1286856533 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't be notationable. < 1286856541 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that's okay < 1286856583 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know which ones were supposed to be what and I'd be bugging you lol < 1286856595 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay there we go < 1286856628 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STEP ONE: sudo apt-get install xmp < 1286856631 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :op13 is gm tho, right? < 1286856636 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STEP TWO: wget http://catseye.tc/music/med/anagnoresis.med < 1286856646 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds awesome so far < 1286856646 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STEP THREE: xmp anagnoresis.med < 1286856657 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: op. 13 is only piano :P < 1286856673 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which happens to be great on the roland soundcanvas :) < 1286856674 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be GM even if I didn't specify any programs. < 1286856752 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Gregor's song has 5 minutes to go :) < 1286856779 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs, thank you < 1286856807 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1286856857 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1286856866 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: queue it up! at least meanually. it will be quite the... contrast... < 1286856873 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*manually < 1286856908 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haz teh different style froms Gregor, even whens I te-comperosing der klazzikle-likes. < 1286856916 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm apparently audacious is not cool enough to support meds < 1286856920 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which this is not < 1286856928 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, few things are. < 1286856934 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to hunt for xmp < 1286856937 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does it good, though < 1286856956 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is not my best, but it is good to start < 1286856996 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ach, such primitive tools i was using < 1286856998 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install xmp < 1286857001 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286857015 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, mine doesn't install the recommends by default... I think... < 1286857032 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool wonder how I do that, would be nice on my wii < 1286857090 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I be hearing something while the dots are going? < 1286857101 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: .... dots... ? < 1286857127 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: xmp shows me a line like: Tempo[05] BPM[21] Pos[18/19] Pat[12/12] Row[16/3F] Chn[03/04] < 1286857130 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stored patterns: 4864 ....................... (etc) < 1286857154 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see: Stored patterns: 19 ................... < 1286857162 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there are more lines and then the line i pasted < 1286857167 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently mine is corrupted < 1286857171 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnnnrrrr < 1286857175 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Module title : -0* "&)3 ���������������# < 1286857183 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeeeah < 1286857192 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see if I uploaded that goodly or not < 1286857286 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it did not survive the upload it seems. let me try again < 1286857308 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: mpt doesn't do ADSR to the extent i would need to coax soundfont to act right. i'd have to go through and put note offs earlier on almost every high note to fix it. so your font is better. < 1286857357 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, it... does not like me < 1286857363 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp? < 1286857385 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't forget binary mode) < 1286857499 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: yeah, it was on "auto" and it thought it was text I guess < 1286857506 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: try d/l'ing same file again < 1286857560 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: cool your midi killed noteedit < 1286857567 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SWEET < 1286857591 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye there now it's working < 1286857592 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Presumably it's trying to notate? < 1286857599 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1286857608 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyuk < 1286857670 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: cool < 1286857783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love overkill sometimes. < 1286857794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is... Using set builder notation for writing domains. < 1286857811 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I thought you passed high school < 1286857840 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't listened to my mods in a while, need to < 1286857844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: For some stupid reason, this damned calc class is having a few homework problems assigned concerning domains and ranges of N-dimensional functions. < 1286857851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Fucking retarded, I know. < 1286857925 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently i had this thing where I would write in ABA format, with A in a minor key and very funky, and B in a major key and very happy < 1286857949 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah. I'm using set builder notation because dammit I can. < 1286857953 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this was... like 1991-1992... pre-Befunge) < 1286858051 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What school? < 1286858061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pikes Peak Community College". < 1286858072 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm taking this class there because it's cheap and I'm cheap. < 1286858208 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ABBA < 1286858344 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not being fair to myself. Several of them go like ABAC ending on a completely different pattern < 1286858447 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think xmp can play .lha'ed files directly < 1286858453 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari, Gregor: http://catseye.tc/music/med/retrograde.lha < 1286858464 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... don't know what a .lha is. < 1286858471 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: xmp will know. < 1286858479 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have xmp < 1286858480 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compressed format from the stone ages < 1286858481 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an ancient archive format. < 1286858483 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: GET IT < 1286858487 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry to channel alise) < 1286858490 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a command-line equivalent that will also know? < 1286858495 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume xmp is X-mp) < 1286858497 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: sudo apt-get install xmp < 1286858516 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Cool kids use aptitude < 1286858518 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmp is all command line afaict < 1286858521 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: w/e < 1286858529 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets to try out this lha program < 1286858530 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(=whatever JUST GET IT) < 1286858532 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okidoke. < 1286858544 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it can't handle lha, it sucks. also lha is easy to get < 1286858548 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is .tc anyway ... < 1286858558 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can point you to an unlha'ed version < 1286858561 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :retrograde - Melted : oooooooooo < 1286858577 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, xmp can't handle lha :P < 1286858583 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But lha can! < 1286858590 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.tc is like, some island in somewhere ocean-like who charges five times as much per year for the privledge of using their TLD < 1286858604 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, how trackery. < 1286858608 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but catseye was free! < 1286858613 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :available. < 1286858615 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org is not free. < 1286858618 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was available. < 1286858623 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is at a TLD people recognize :P < 1286858630 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's what i had at my disposal. Well, that and DMCS < 1286858645 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, re ending, it was meant to be repeatable < 1286858670 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why my xmp seems to be happy as shit processing an .lha file < 1286858679 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would be good for like a side scrolling platformer < 1286858681 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a style of music I can't write. Or even consider writing. Or even consider considering. < 1286858691 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: I've had other people tell me that multiple times... < 1286858708 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I write video game music, apparently. < 1286858757 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.tc = "Turks and Calcos islands" < 1286858772 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know where that is or what kind of government I am supporting with my domain name $$$. < 1286858790 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, "Caicos" < 1286858792 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All 0 of the $$$s? < 1286858814 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's not FREE free < 1286858824 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: A corrupt government that's currently suspended by the UK parliament for good reason < 1286858828 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hahah, that "available" was a clarification :P < 1286858831 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: right ON. < 1286858841 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using mydomains.com, the cheesiest registrar ever, but they've actually been good to me < 1286858855 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but, since they're being administered by the UK, one would hope the next government is not as corrupt) < 1286858882 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual nation is a handful of islands in the Carribean with a massive wealth gap typical of Carribean nations < 1286858890 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Game will have narrative: "Hopefully there'll be some kind of narrative into the game. Like some kind of overarching goal that you could reach. But the idea is to have it really difficult, so it would be like NetHack, you don't win the game, you just hear about the people win the game." (39:10) < 1286858910 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently kidsquid.com is a steaming pile of shit tho.. shouldn't have gone with zymic hosting < 1286858912 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might just buy minecraft when it is finished and i have the computer to run it < 1286858950 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh btw.. KLAX < 1286858970 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: IT IS THE NINETIES < 1286858976 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: AND THERE IS TIME FOR KLAX < 1286859000 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when you're getting sued for your tetris game < 1286859076 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if anybody would ever get that reference :P < 1286859095 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be ashamed that you did ;) < 1286859095 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i totally got it because I AM OLD < 1286859096 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I actually own a license to the klax rom < 1286859114 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: w00t < 1286859124 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it from starroms < 1286859141 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is long defunct of course < 1286859173 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also sad to say that my 5200 basic compiler was used to bring to life a horrible port of to the atari 5200 < 1286859218 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: if you can stand more: this is slightly different style but has been explicitly called "this should be in a platformer!": http://catseye.tc/music/med/you_drive_me_wild.med < 1286859237 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it features something I can only describe as, "duelling melodies" < 1286859255 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in an amiga tracker that means, one in L, the other in R < 1286859282 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, some really messed up chords (like... C+E+F, whatever that is) < 1286859297 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet, it works, or at least fails to fail badle < 1286859299 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fungechord < 1286859301 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bdaly < 1286859303 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1286859312 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*b a d l y < 1286859371 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I disagree with the notion that this should be in platformer. < 1286859383 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: This should be in NES porn. < 1286859389 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only musical talent is limited to badly playing my harmonica, and since I won't be getting a millionizer 2000 anytime soon, you won't have to hear it < 1286859407 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this isn't platformer, sorry < 1286859407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286859422 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the critic *was* crazy. < 1286859427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My musical talent consists of being out of practice. < 1286859442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for being able to learn music quickly. Still got that. < 1286859458 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever he was. i forget now. but these were distributed with my university email address (umpresse@umanitoba.ca) and I got teh one email response. < 1286859479 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of a NES code to divide by three? < 1286859484 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beatles rock band on drums is fun.. I suck horribly, although I was starting to be able to play some songs in medium < 1286859494 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 6502.org should have something! < 1286859496 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm good at knowing which part of a song comes next < 1286859497 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's about it < 1286859499 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting drum solo < 1286859545 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Cnc7wm-dg < 1286859619 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: That's quite some lack of talent. :P < 1286859645 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: thank you sir < 1286859651 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is the best lack of talent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOUsbtUrXHk < 1286859674 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for the poor timpani player) < 1286859732 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1286859752 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it made me laugh, so they win < 1286859809 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD < 1286859832 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :H DEAR GOD < 1286859838 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found general multiply/divide code, but I only need to divide a sixteen bit number by a constant. Divide by 2 is easy, I already have that code. But now I need to make it divide by 3, also (using the conditional compile) < 1286859918 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the answer have to be exactly right? < 1286859922 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US is now number 49 on life expectancy. < 1286859939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE'RE FOURTY-NINE! WE'RE FOURTY-NINE! < 1286859969 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'll bet if you listed each state, several of them would be in the top 10. < 1286859990 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for example 85/256 = 0.332... < 1286860003 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: list? < 1286860015 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: and pennsylvania would be at the bottom? < 1286860060 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Dividing by 2 or by 256 is easy. I only need an integer result, anyways. < 1286860081 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I need divide by 3. I already have the code to divide by 2. < 1286860112 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah I'm saying to divide by 3, multiply by 85 < 1286860124 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/sep2006/db20060913_099763.htm < 1286860165 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That neither confirms nor denies my claim. < 1286860167 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: that's nifty < 1286860180 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: O, OK. < 1286860181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm trying to find the WHO list. < 1286860204 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the answer won't be 100% correct < 1286860265 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to divide number as large as 0x0800 so it won't fit in 16-bits multiplying by 85 < 1286860281 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy&oldid=389988170 Well, here's one that appears to be have a different ranking. < 1286860282 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird what am I doing wrong, it's not working anyhow < 1286860288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(38 instead of 49.) < 1286860340 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh there it goes hehe < 1286860348 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can be right about not perfectly correct. It is off by 2 < 1286860359 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Swaziland is in the middle ages. Huzzah! < 1286860425 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is Arizona < 1286860477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that we've some states with absolutely appaling life expectancies. < 1286860486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, DC. 72? Seriously? WTF. < 1286860510 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If DC were a nation it'd just barely be in the top 100. < 1286860523 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and DC isn't even a state < 1286860549 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286860550 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Yes, yes, I know, but it's effectively a very small one. ... With no representation. < 1286860551 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like this non-represented region < 1286860560 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THE CAPITAL IS THERE < 1286860569 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sense this is making! oh! < 1286860576 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Puerto Rico has a higher life expectancy than the US average < 1286860584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. Can't vote for President *if you'd be his neighbor*. < 1286860587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Damn. < 1286860689 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286860743 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal will love this one: http://catseye.tc/music/med/after_the_fact.med < 1286860747 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the organ. < 1286860760 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I'm pretty sure he won't like any of them. < 1286860766 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of the trackerness. < 1286860878 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this one has been relegated to, not a platformer, but the soundtrack of a cop/spy movie of some sort. < 1286860897 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's spy hunter < 1286860938 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-66-169.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286860938 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286860939 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1286860955 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err no it's not nm lol < 1286861202 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/music/med/autumn_kiss.med < 1286861223 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/music/med/red_quarks.med < 1286861239 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think those are the 2 remaining ones < 1286861254 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, there is another one, but it's so not as good as I remember < 1286861259 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :med?!?! < 1286861264 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if mikmod can take this < 1286861266 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: MED! < 1286861270 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: xmp, if it can't < 1286861284 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i thought it could < 1286861291 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: I know some modplayers don't do the transpose, which makes at least one of my meds fail superbadways < 1286861293 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :med's apparently quite common < 1286861309 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what transpose thing? < 1286861322 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :autumn kiss sound like it's a million miles < 1286861335 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's doing the speeds wrong < 1286861354 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :schismtracker does a better job with the speed < 1286861360 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: one of my meds uses a sample that is not as C - it's at E - so I used "track transpose -4" or something to adjust it -- but some players don't implement that. result: SHIT < 1286861371 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1992 what the hell i was born in 1991 < 1286861379 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: uh yeah, autumn kiss is supposed to be ballad-ish < 1286861382 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1286861419 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what the hell why does schism load it with an !xx command instead of just SETTING THE DAMN VOLUME COLUMN LIKE THE MOD LOADER DOES < 1286861465 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is red_quarks a 4-channel med? < 1286861479 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: yes. they're all 4-channel < 1286861484 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmkay < 1286861484 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mine) < 1286861511 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha amiga electric guitar < 1286861642 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286861720 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :am putting together an index page for ease of downloading < 1286862037 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason for dividing by three is so that I can add a #TRITAVE command into PPMCK. < 1286862062 0 :flippo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :frivol < 1286862100 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am already working on making the #CUSTOM-TUNING command work, so that you can use just intonation or any other scale that has up to sixteen notes < 1286862194 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: http://catseye.tc/music/med/ < 1286862237 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286862486 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have only a vague idea of what i mean by "sci-fi funk" < 1286862529 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heyo < 1286862583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Absurdly easy yet tedious homework, fin. < 1286862621 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, I get that freaking continuity & limits work in 3 dimensions. I don't need to spend 1.5 hours demonstrating this, kthx) < 1286862907 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you should hear my classical shit sometime. I've written a string quartet, and a strings and woodwinds septet, and a couple of other fairly weird things. You'd hate them. Fortunately for you, they're mostly lost. < 1286862938 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/op11/GRegor-op11-StringQuartet.ogg I too have written a string quartet.' < 1286862946 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1286862961 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was listening to it earlyer. < 1286862972 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/y/i/ < 1286863023 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... curse you, this last question on this math assignment < 1286863186 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You seem to suffer from the curse of being skilled at multiple things. How do you deal with time allocation for it? < 1286863189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286863199 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at Gregor's progress on various things < 1286863205 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. Like mere mortals. < 1286863497 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: The "Spy Hunter" theme is "Peter Gunn", iirc < 1286863526 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcflCzZlLcQ < 1286863598 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, "After the Fact" is... inspired a bit by that :) < 1286863686 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286863740 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/music/op13/GRegor-op13-mov2.pdf < 1286863740 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and for good measure! < 1286863741 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWGeRgFa-hI < 1286863750 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For awesome pain, read page five of http://codu.org/music/op13/GRegor-op13-mov2.pdf ! < 1286863832 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MOAR FIVE FOUR < 1286863858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that is totally words. < 1286863862 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faJE92phKzI < 1286863911 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :≡ < 1286863930 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised lilypond can do that < 1286863936 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUAHAHAHAHA < 1286864022 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox + Gregor's oggs = bad news < 1286864029 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286864034 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :E_WORKSFORME < 1286864072 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to give me a nice little slider plus play and pause buttons < 1286864081 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, it does a visualization thing in the window < 1286864084 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's built into Firefox. < 1286864089 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH I TOTALLY NEED < 1286864096 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also built into Firefox :P < 1286864137 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a pie here < 1286864273 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh < 1286864276 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make me want pie. < 1286864284 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkin pie! < 1286864297 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse yet, I could easily get pie (probably even pumpkin pie) in spite of the fact that it's 1:20AM. < 1286864348 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The status bar says "Stopped", yet the visualization proceeds, choppily. < 1286864377 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US: 24-hour triviallest-desire-fullfilment. < 1286864463 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah there we go < 1286864471 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Finale in 3) < 1286864561 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1286864627 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satie -> Gerschwin -> Tschiakovsky (slightly tipsy) -> Satie -> ... < 1286864636 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1286864680 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take that as a rave review :P < 1286864687 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> Chopin (?) < 1286864696 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you listened to movement 1? < 1286864698 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then Satie again < 1286864706 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1286864726 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, this part is someone < 1286864736 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pg. 4) < 1286864744 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're actually following along. < 1286864745 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's scary. < 1286864766 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, pg 5 < 1286864776 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the &equiv''s < 1286864788 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rachmaninoff! Maybe? < 1286864792 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1286864802 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some ridiculous craziness, it must be Rachmaninoff. < 1286864838 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to be (un)clear): < 1286864862 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satie -> Gerschwin -> Tschiakovsky (slightly tipsy) -> Satie -> Chopin (?) -> Satie (?) -> Mystery composer -> Rachmanninov < 1286864884 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ending somewhat ... err... wow < 1286864889 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but nice, anyway. < 1286864918 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Satie -> Gerschwin -> Tschiakovsky (slightly tipsy) -> Satie -> Chopin (?) -> Satie (?) -> Mystery composer -> Rachmanninov -> ...??? -> PROFIT < 1286864935 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1286865089 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No surprise, we're about a thousand miles apart, musically. I cannot handle the piano for at all or ever. I switched to computer science from music because they wanted me to be able to play the piano. Then I dropped out of CS too, but that's another story. < 1286865155 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a friend who was a composer, and a pianist. He liked Beethoven, and Bartok, a lot. < 1286865161 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you play? I've heard that complaint before btw (I wanted to do music but I didn't know how to play the piano, in spite of the fact that that's not my instrument) < 1286865189 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: btw, I enjoyed the med's, thanks < 1286865193 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played tuba. And trombone, and euphonium/baritone, but I preferred tuba. And for composition, I preferred orchestra. < 1286865214 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: thanks for saying so :) < 1286865216 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer to compose for orchestra if I had one lying around :P < 1286865228 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is why I want to write a conductor program) < 1286865229 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yeah, kind of an expensive instrument to compose for. < 1286865260 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost got a concert band to play my stuff once... ach, but no. < 1286865284 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How'd you (almost) accomplish that? < 1286865332 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of hand-copying individual parts and surreptitiously handing them out and (unsuccessfully) appealing to the conductor to give me some time with the band before practice. < 1286865358 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wondered sometimes.. like John Williams will write some music, and then it'll say orchestrated by xyz. how much of what I'm hearing is actually by xyz and Williams just had a catchy melody line and that's it? < 1286865375 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the language in which one can write the smallest simplest piece of code that does text-based animation? < 1286865389 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: cat? < 1286865408 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, requires the least code to do arbitrary like screen buffer updates and stuff < 1286865419 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "put this character here" < 1286865425 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCIILogo? X-P < 1286865489 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already know the real answer. it's TI-89 BASIC. But, I don't have a functioning TI-89. And the screen would be too small to do what i want anyway. < 1286865503 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah, seriously? < 1286865523 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about OS-level C with a memory-mapped VGA text buffer. < 1286865531 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just putting stuff in a char * buffer. < 1286865545 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My vote is Full Moon Fever, but I'm sorely biased. < 1286865552 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "smallest", no. < 1286865614 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :small is not as important as simple and quick < 1286865620 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :REPEAT 20 DELCHAR < 1286865631 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... or something like that < 1286865636 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: how would that work? < 1286865684 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO 1 2 CLREOL CENTRE "Enter... the Stupid Guard." 2 < 1286865690 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apparently) < 1286865702 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I don't rightly know, but I remember writing a "kernel" once and handling the screen that way ... VGA is memory-mapped to a standard location, so then it's just myscreen[y*160+x*2] = '@' < 1286865725 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1286865739 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be nice, but i don't know the first thing about doing that < 1286865755 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what did you use to write this score? < 1286865759 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, invent one language for text animation small simple codes < 1286865774 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Rosegarden to lilypond, then fixes over that lilypond. < 1286865790 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second byte of each pair the fg/bg colour attributes, iirc (incl. blink, where that's supported) < 1286865793 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :complicated < 1286865808 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Yup. < 1286865846 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote a program for doing ASCII-art animations once, but it could only handle input in the form of full-screen frames and timing information. < 1286865933 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So, um. Since I don't think I've heard you say. What composers do you like? < 1286865964 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FMF doesn't look so bad, but apparently they only way to use it is in the illgol compiler binary for windows? < 1286865980 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: I have an unhealthy relationship with Russian romanticism. Borodin is my favorite composer, with Balakirev, Rimsky-Korsakov, Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky etc as close seconds. < 1286865989 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the only surviving way, yes. unless i can can salvage my amiga disks someday. < 1286866003 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you don't say. interesting. < 1286866013 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: As a pianist I'm required to like Chopin and Liszt. And lesse ... < 1286866022 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saint-Saens, Sibelius ... < 1286866035 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did borodin even write < 1286866036 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Beethoven, but that's too easy :P < 1286866054 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Borodin's Nocturne from String Quartet #2 is the single greatest piece of music ever written. < 1286866068 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mp3? < 1286866072 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: The works from Prince Igor are quite good as well. < 1286866076 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh best ever < 1286866081 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that needs to be flac < 1286866086 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P' < 1286866162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Ohhh, and I almost forgot about On the Steppes of Central Asia < 1286866229 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: as a non-pianist I am under no obligation to like Chopin, but I do. But my #1 favourite is Prokofiev. < 1286866250 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, I can't believe I forgot to mention Prokofiev *smacks self* < 1286866285 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 prokofiev < 1286866307 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opinions on shostakovich? < 1286866315 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plenty :P < 1286866355 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was painting a fence on day, and had a radio on, tuned into CBC's "Disc Drive", and Juergen Goeth decided to play the march from "Love for Three Oranges" and I was hooked. < 1286866407 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are composers all russian < 1286866440 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: shostakovich wrote the *real* greatest piece of music ever < 1286866443 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, did borodin do < 1286866460 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1286866468 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prince Igor < 1286866488 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this 80's midi card is holding up pretty well against your fancy recording < 1286866493 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: During the Romanticism era, Mussorgsky mixed Romanticism with Russian folk music and produced brilliance. He then convinced five other people to produce such brilliance, and started a trend of Russian music. < 1286866524 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament: Before Romanticism, there was no good Russian music :P < 1286866534 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^^^ totally not a generalization) < 1286866601 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammar question: should adverbs be hyphenated (e.g. the nearly clean person vs. the nearly-clean person) < 1286866611 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other time that Disc Drive changed my (musical) life was when J.G. decided to play "Pertpetuum Mobile" by the Penguin Cafe Orchestra. < 1286866621 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, they should. < 1286866634 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: *concurs with catseye* < 1286866641 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everyone else just sucks at English? < 1286866665 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: More precisely, by the way, adjective phrases should be hyphenated. < 1286866667 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone sucks at English.. how about that? :) < 1286866683 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION files unhyphenated adjective phrases with the International Pet Peeve Bureau < 1286866719 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I've said it once and I'll say it again: The correct way to do it is however everybody does it. < 1286866734 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If nobody hyphenates their adjective phrases, then it is no longer standard to hyphenate adjective phrases. < 1286866758 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person was nearly clean. The nearly0clean person was far away. < 1286866762 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/0/-/ < 1286866765 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't type < 1286866901 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: tru < 1286866903 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*true < 1286867028 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Beethoven, Mendelssohn, Vivaldi, Satie. Lots of others did good stuff too, but those guys stand out. < 1286867034 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo. < 1286867127 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beethoven is so weird. It's almost like he wasn't a real person. Like Shakespeare, you know? :) < 1286867180 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Wikipedia agrees with me! < 1286867213 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have a pet peeve of people not hyphenating compound adjectives when using them attributively. < 1286867259 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*attributively before the noun < 1286867783 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION high-fives the proselytizing descriptivist < 1286867893 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any sort of description must be descriptive < 1286867964 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you like what way is all to put stress more onz interpeting mine only < 1286868047 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Welcome honored guest. I got the key you want! would you like onderves. of Yourself < 1286868099 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more wrong you "wrong" against edge the push is always flex more NO as while it stands < 1286868170 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can almost parse that < 1286868215 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do lesions to wernicke's area result in inability to type comprehensibly too? < 1286868504 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translationparty is down :/ < 1286869019 0 :Klappspaten!~Hess@business-213-023-156-042.static.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286869176 0 :Klappspaten!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286869445 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-0-40.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286869805 0 :OODavo!~00Davo@ppp121-44-190-234.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286869819 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286869918 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :wareya < 1286870007 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286870140 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286870284 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: write me an alpaca line that does "if A has a B west of it then with 9/10 probability it becomes C and with 1/10 probability it becomes D" < 1286870399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286870400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286870949 0 :cheater99!~cheater@ip-80-226-15-101.vodafone-net.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1286873288 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286873938 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286874478 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286874657 0 :lament!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286875642 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1286877270 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :will aliens scorch the earth before the X1000 arrives? < 1286877305 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for now they seem to be satisfying with removing from my brain all knowledge of what X1000 is. < 1286877316 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*satisfied < 1286877349 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE HECK IS HAPPENGIN TO MY GRAMMAR AND SPELLING LATELY? < 1286877359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah i left that one in on purpose) < 1286877362 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amiga X1000 a-eon Xorro bus XMOS chip Xena < 1286877376 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. < 1286877397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually the X would tend to indicate it is made _by_ aliens. < 1286877405 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your brain is mutiny against you using the english language < 1286877424 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is turdacular < 1286877442 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hvis du sier det så < 1286877459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterevidence: it was damn hard to get that last norwegian word right < 1286877470 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o, ow, owe, ough - yuck < 1286877476 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1286877486 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an oh < 1286877490 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er and < 1286877681 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286880293 0 :OODavo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286880883 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit http://www.skytopia.com/project/illusion/didgrow.html < 1286880999 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286881128 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... I'm thinking what's the worst stuff in commonly sold as food that comes from animal products... And the same for plant products... Let's just say the animal stuffs list is much shorter and much more mild... < 1286881134 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*milder < 1286881285 0 :tombom!~tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286881454 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one of those "makes your eyesight all screwy" optical illusions shown in the "wild demo" (anything realtime-graphicsy goes) category at Assembly this year; the name was "casual vortex" and the listed 'platform' was "visual cortex". < 1286881521 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language was it written in < 1286881555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that was mentioned anywhere. < 1286881571 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was re "<oerjan> holy shit http://www.skytopia.com/project/illusion/didgrow.html" which you probably didn't see. < 1286881640 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can offhand recall only one bad animal-based food product. Whereas similar list for plants has at least 8, probably all worse than the one entry for animal products... < 1286881684 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have been written in vvvv, in fact. < 1286881706 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww man < 1286881714 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here i was hoping for another silly answer < 1286881731 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vvvv looks really interesting actually < 1286881791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye olde botulinum sausage < 1286881894 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's bacterium toxin... And should not be present in commonly sold food. < 1286881942 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And BTW, that 8 entry list does not include alcohol... < 1286882011 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, surströmming < 1286882071 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hákarl < 1286882106 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually meant "worst" as "most unhealthy", not "most disgusting looking". < 1286882123 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case we shouldn't forget fugu < 1286882165 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess it may be hard to find a food product that is unhealthy when _properly_ prepared < 1286882609 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286885682 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286887587 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is, quite often proper preparation includes the trash can < 1286888286 0 :washingmachine!~\@109.74.1.167 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286889492 0 :frivol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Reality reasserts itself sooner or later. < 1286892043 0 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286892512 0 :elliott!~elliott@91.105.99.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286892525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schemes of dierse orgin! < 1286892664 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a misspelling of "divers"? < 1286892681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Diverse", actually. < 1286892685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, intentional. < 1286892699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Schemes of Divers Origin" would be a good name for an album or something, though. < 1286892704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diërse orgin? < 1286892715 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Divers" is an old-fashioned spelling of "Diverse" < 1286892721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you still come across very occasionally < 1286892728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was referencing < 1286892760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1286892772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the interpretation as people-who-dive even better, though :) < 1286892784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"diuers" would be as archaically valid, right? < 1286892792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :schemes of diuers origin < 1286892795 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think so < 1286892844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why Ubuntu doesn't do kexec-reboots for kernel upgrades. < 1286892905 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Perfectly valid. "v" goes at the beginning of words. :) < 1286892917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how uersatile < 1286892917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if you have to shut down almost all the way, why not hard reboot? < 1286892925 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is what, a few seconds? < 1286892932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: more than that < 1286892935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the BIOS < 1286892936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes a few seconds < 1286892938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the bootloader < 1286892948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, if it displays a menu, which is very likely if Windows is installed, < 1286892952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could take 5-10 seconds < 1286892963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, you can skip it, but there's also no reason at all not to just use kexec) < 1286892963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably /want/ to go via the bootloader if you just upgraded the kernel < 1286892966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1286892970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what kexec is designed for < 1286892982 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because bootloader/kernel compat issues are one of the things you want to be able to catch < 1286893001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, i have never seen such an issue (and besides, it's not like you won't find out next boot) < 1286893009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, so if the new kernel doesn't work, the bootloader knows it doesn't) < 1286893013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux is generally pretty good at not breaking multiboot... < 1286893019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bootloaders don't store that < 1286893021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1286893025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Windows bootloader does < 1286893028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even last-good-boot works like that < 1286893032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the Windows bootloader can't boot linux < 1286893043 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but I mean it would be a plausible feature to add < 1286893064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :last-good-boot is better < 1286893074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it stores the last kernel that booted, rather than ... what? why would you even store that it doesn't boot? < 1286893095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can automatically go to last-good rather than most-recent if most-recent doesn't work < 1286893132 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which saves time in the morning if you're in the habit of rebooting or shutting down overnight (for stability reasons with Windows, or energy saving reasons with any OS) < 1286893447 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286893557 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION escapes from the planet of the robot monsters < 1286893591 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you doing there? < 1286893646 0 :cpressey_!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286893710 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was the nineties, and there was time for it, along with klax < 1286893731 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1286893760 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey! < 1286893775 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia! < 1286893783 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover! < 1286893786 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no < 1286893792 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the nineties, where there's still time to witness hair on top of steve ballmer's head? < 1286893826 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:57 < quintopia> catseye: write me an alpaca line that does "if A has a B west of it then with 9/10 probability it becomes C and with 1/10 probability it becomes D" < 1286893868 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i refer you to the discussion about dividing by 3 on a NES < 1286893892 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads the presentation linked from reddit about how to recover from "chmod -x chmod" < 1286893901 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a whole bunch of solutions from there, some of which are ridiculous < 1286893912 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what about dividing by 3 on a nes? < 1286893929 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it ... difficult? < 1286893931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(someone suggested forcing the directory entry for /bin into cache, then running sed on the computer's memory) < 1286893945 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: not really, but doing it efficiently is nontrivial < 1286893989 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: i believe the suggested trick was to multiply by 85 then divide by 256 to get a factor of 0.334 < 1286893995 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1286894028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that trick doesn't work with every number IIRC; I'm not sure if it works for 3, and in which range < 1286894063 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :58/256= 0.3320.. < 1286894072 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and alpaca only does power-of-2 probabilities(?) so you'd have to do something similar to approximate 10% < 1286894179 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286894187 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: indeed, it does not work for 3. < 1286894190 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't 0.9 have a nice expansion in binary? < 1286894210 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater: not an exact finite expansion, no < 1286894227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an antifactor of 5 in there < 1286894240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: link me the presentation? < 1286894243 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :antifactor of 5? < 1286894247 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i thought i remembered as much, but i couldn't find a english spec of alpaca < 1286894265 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: same question but with 1/8 and 7/8 < 1286894267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.slideshare.net/cog/chmod-x-chmod < 1286894270 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: did you find one in some other language? < 1286894272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoyingly, in Flash for no reason at all < 1286894277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from making it hard to copy < 1286894294 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i couldn't find one in any spoken language actually < 1286894311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my reaction was "use another program that does the same thing", I'd probably have come up with busybox chmod with a bit of thought) < 1286894320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see "Download" < 1286894327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd just use python < 1286894328 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a link to a login page < 1286894328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to chmod :P < 1286894337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SHEESH JUST USE YOUR FACEBOOK ACCOUNT < 1286894340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION trollin' < 1286894343 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that solution was already there < 1286894351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in several languages < 1286894355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286894357 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my reaction was to rebuild chmod from source -- but that's bsd thinking i suppose < 1286894369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although Perl or Python are best for that, because they're most likely to be installed < 1286894383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: if you had the source handy, that would work fine < 1286894384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bugmenot.com < 1286894387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enter "slideshare" < 1286894392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see usernames and passwords < 1286894394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*slideshare.net < 1286894397 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at work, I don't want to have to explain that < 1286894405 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am aware of bugmenot.com, though) < 1286894407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err? bugmenot is perfectly reputable < 1286894414 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: on freebsd, you almost always do (culturally speaking anyway) < 1286894423 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, but going to sites with usernames/passwords you don't own isn't < 1286894433 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and using bugmenot is quite a giveaway that you're planning that < 1286894473 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's actually the IT staff at the department I was in a couple of years ago that introduced me to bugmenot...) < 1286894480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, I like the idea of using the c compiler to get an executable < 1286894484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then catting /bin/chmod to it < 1286894516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but what if you didn't have cc? I'd replace some irrelevant binary with chmod instead < 1286894527 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just copy an existing executable, and cat /bin/chmod to that < 1286894537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you don't have cp?!?!?!?! < 1286894542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more interesting question: how do you recover from a chmod -R -x /) < 1286894551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"$ cp cat new_chmod < 1286894551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cat chmod > new_chmod" < 1286894551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1286894557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: badly < 1286894574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using tar to do it, genius < 1286894577 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the reddit comments, someone said they'd done that by copying the permissions over from another box using rsync or something < 1286894588 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hello mr. livecd < 1286894592 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one method not mentioned there: copy chmod to a FAT system, then back again < 1286894597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: wut < 1286894609 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all files are executable when, say, a USB stick is mounted with default options < 1286894614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[alias chmod='/lib/ld-2.11.1.so ./chmod']] < 1286894616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I APPROVE OF THIS < 1286894622 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: recover from chmod -R -x by booting off something else and copying stuff over < 1286894632 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I use the same method to clear the "downloaded from the Internet" flag in Windows) < 1286894648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, isn't /lib/ld* a bit of a security hole? < 1286894651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can bypass +x permissions < 1286894654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-x that is < 1286894673 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can bypass them anyway by copying the executable so you own the copy, then chmodding the copy < 1286894690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume it doesn't work if it has both -x and -r permissions) < 1286894723 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is chmod not a sh builtin < 1286894724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1286894726 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-x is only really for a) protecting suid files against being run by the wrong people; b) preventing programs being run by mistake < 1286894731 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good argument for it < 1286894732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: please tell me that's sarcasm < 1286894740 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is a good argument for it < 1286894746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think syscall should be a sh builtin < 1286894748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, shell builtins in general are stupid < 1286894753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to build in all the actual syscalls one by one! < 1286894761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most i'll accept beyond what actually has to be done in sh is echo < 1286894764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's so common < 1286894769 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the original program, my instinct would've been perl -e 'chmod 0755, "chmod";' < 1286894773 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then, you can impliment the other things you need as a library < 1286894774 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/program/problem/ < 1286894775 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glibsh, or whatever < 1286894776 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not even test? < 1286894780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's one of their exact solutions, verbatim < 1286894784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, ok, test too < 1286894786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nothing more < 1286894795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, "Flash Player 9 (or above) is needed to view presentations." < 1286894800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: login < 1286894803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lick download < 1286894803 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the first answer would be < 1286894805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*click < 1286894810 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what data center has no access to the internet?" < 1286894813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: applejacks for user and pass < 1286894862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: particularly abhorrent is kill being a builtin < 1286894884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill is a /builtin/? < 1286894887 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm not a fan of builtins btw, it was just this case that occurred to me. < 1286894902 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why kill should ever be < 1286894904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, could "kill %1", etc., be easily implemented via an external executable? < 1286894908 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be the reason < 1286894915 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe some crazy arhument about "the shell is a job control thing" < 1286894917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, no, but %x should just expand to a string < 1286894920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like ~ does < 1286894928 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod -rx chmod and the NIC has been stolen. fix it. < 1286894958 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the solutions on the slide there could work (reinstall coreutils from the package manager cache) < 1286894970 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess perl would still work < 1286894971 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing that, reimplementing chmod isn't massively difficult < 1286894975 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes < 1286894992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "rm -f /bin/chmod" is the next step up, I suppose < 1286895011 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get install chmod < 1286895026 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its coreutils < 1286895041 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people never understand my humor < 1286895069 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i could have responded "Package not found: chmod" < 1286895089 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of humor, you never answered my second question < 1286895107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone did "chmod -x chmod" and deleted all other files on the system WHAT NOW < 1286895125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what filesystem? < 1286895138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Lowest Common Denominatorfs < 1286895142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively < 1286895149 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's FAT, I'd go and get a floppy disk running DOS and try to reconstruct the first letter of every file on the filesystem from memory < 1286895156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1286895158 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, NOW you are wishing you had some frickin builtins < 1286895161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no floppy disks < 1286895164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are locked in a cage < 1286895170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monitor is on the wall < 1286895173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the keyboard buttons are on thee things in haskell < 1286906305 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr1 should totally be called 'join' or something < 1286906321 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, why join? join sounds like it would be similar to zip to me < 1286906330 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno. join is not the best name < 1286906358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286906371 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i'm thinking of that other function < 1286906373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, foldrlast? < 1286906377 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit long < 1286906380 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one you can do sum with by passing it '+' < 1286906385 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+) i should say < 1286906395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: SO COMMODORE 64 < 1286906402 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SO YEAH TOTALLY < 1286906418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl/foldl'/foldl1/foldr all sum when passed (+) < 1286906419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm? sum (+) ? < 1286906424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds a bit weird < 1286906424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although foldl' (+) 0 is probably the one you want < 1286906436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: IT'S TOTALLY THE BEST COMPUTER OF ITS TIME < 1286906453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: OR WHAT ABOUT: ATARI ST < 1286906472 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, whatever Cray was doing at that point < 1286906474 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was best < 1286906477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very likely < 1286906485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: that Vorpal, ain't he an idiot? < 1286906493 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm, probably lisp machines < 1286906511 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: best for FLAVOUR < 1286906518 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, ah well, indeed < 1286906740 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t foldl' < 1286906773 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you lambdabot for being better than egobot at this and for leaving us < 1286906779 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, I think it is ghc, not ghci < 1286906794 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've SEEN it do types before, i swear < 1286906807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1286906826 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help < 1286906826 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help <command>. < 1286906834 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell [1,2,3] < 1286906842 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,2,3] < 1286906854 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t 1 < 1286906857 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 :: (Num t) => t < 1286906860 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see??? < 1286906867 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t foldl < 1286906875 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldl :: (a -> b -> a) -> a -> [b] -> a < 1286906879 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286906884 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must not like the ' somehow < 1286906897 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1286906940 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell foldl (+) 0 [5,6,7] < 1286906948 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 < 1286906951 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1286906957 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what i was thinking, then < 1286906965 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: :t foldl' didn't work because foldl' is not in the Prelude < 1286906977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t Data.List.foldl' < 1286906985 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List.foldl' :: (a -> b -> a) -> a -> [b] -> a < 1286907062 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: !haskell is _both_ ghci and ghc. it tries the second if the first one errors out. < 1286907091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1286907109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't it give an error if it didn't work? < 1286907134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errors are sent via DCC, usually. < 1286907152 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why it doesn't pass even one line i don't know < 1286907161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell :t foldl' < 1286907175 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no DCC either < 1286907186 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall :t does that, no idea why < 1286907205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Prelude> :t foldl' < 1286907206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<interactive>:1:0: Not in scope: `foldl'' < 1286907206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1286907208 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what I get < 1286907237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. however that's from ghci and if it errors out it passes to ghc. < 1286907257 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never get ghci errors with !haskell < 1286907382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell {- -} :t foldl' < 1286907388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no, me menu != messaging menu < 1286907402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ghci -e ":t foldl'" < 1286907414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works, sort of < 1286907419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sh ghci -e ":t foldl'" 2>&1 | tr -d '\n' < 1286907424 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<interactive>:1:0: Not in scope: `foldl'' < 1286907477 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally !haskell {- -} :t foldl' gave a parse error in DCC < 1286907509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why? < 1286907560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um because it's neither correct ghci (the : must start the line) nor ghc (: cannot start a declaration) < 1286907597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286907603 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still no idea why :t foldl' alone gives no error message < 1286907653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless... maybe ghci somehow doesn't give an error back to the shell for it < 1286907654 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's the fold*1 functions that should be called 'join'. duh < 1286907672 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: join is already taken for a monadic function, though < 1286907679 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap < 1286907741 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what is wrong with foldrfromlist or such? < 1286907748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not every name has to be short < 1286907773 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there a mapUntil? < 1286907774 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell that to the haskell committee < 1286907790 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why am i asking you when there is an internet here < 1286907791 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: um what would that do? < 1286907802 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by that name anyway < 1286907802 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, i wrote one for some reason < 1286907809 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, combine takeWhile and map maybe? < 1286907830 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm asking cpressey < 1286907831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it puts a newline before < 1286907833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, for instance < 1286907834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my !sh < 1286907836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gives an error in dcc < 1286907838 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why oh why does pastie.org not just list all the possible highlightings in its dropdown < 1286907839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not on stdout < 1286907853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: err, doesn't it? < 1286907867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the more... < 1286907870 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://pastie.org/1216028 please ignore the fact that 'mapRest' is useless < 1286907877 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and haskell is a more < 1286907877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I was just suggesting the obvious interpretation! < 1286907895 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapRest is what you laugh at < 1286907899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i don't see how map applies there < 1286907902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb reboot < 1286907904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by peer review < 1286907929 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also laugh at the accumulator style in haskell < 1286907940 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i started in erlang!) < 1286907953 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr < 1286907960 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant to direct that pastie at oerjan < 1286907967 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://pastie.org/1216028 please ignore the fact that 'mapRest' is useless < 1286907985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION accumulates cpressey < 1286908097 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what the hell did i write here?? < 1286908125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hm? < 1286908130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loooks at the url < 1286908150 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it transforms only one element of a list, if that < 1286908159 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one that succeeds < 1286908166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, didn't you mean that? < 1286908167 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah that accumulator doesn't work well with laziness < 1286908193 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't *think* i did... but then, my code seemed to work. this was written to make another function simpler < 1286908197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, the problem is, cpressey is too lazy to fix it < 1286908198 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell needs doctests < 1286908222 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, lunxh < 1286908229 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no offence meant, it was just a bad joke I had to make) < 1286908232 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to keep up my image) < 1286908249 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is how i spell 'lunch'. i defend my idiolexicality. < 1286908252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: what's doctests? < 1286908287 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I would guess it means verifying that the code and documentation matches each other. That would be nice but very very unrealistic too < 1286908306 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for the general case < 1286908326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you know i'm tempted to make the same request of you that elliott did < 1286908345 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hm? < 1286908398 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP GUESSING ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS WHEN YOU WEREN'T THE ONE ASKED < 1286908440 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh, you mean we should play jeopardy instead? < 1286908446 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs < 1286908668 0 :elliott!~elliott@91.105.99.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286908674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, no ais < 1286908678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286909188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a doctest (from python) is a repl transcript embedded in a comment, basically < 1286909222 0 :elliott!~elliott@91.105.99.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286909230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running kexec before shutting the system down is fun < 1286909230 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if i were to try to use this function from the interactive prompt, how would it behave? demonstrate." < 1286909242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have you got logs since i last quit? < 1286909247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, well, since the quit before that too < 1286909255 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i suppose i do < 1286909262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could i have them? :) < 1286909274 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: STOP MAKING POWERSHELL SCROLL and yes < 1286909322 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/sjf9pwcjh9mukwdwmpgeg < 1286909328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well nothing preventing you from writing such comments, then < 1286909357 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but the magic is in having them executed and little dots go by and the message ALL TESTS PASSED! < 1286909372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:32 < oerjan> STOP GUESSING ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS WHEN YOU WEREN'T THE ONE ASKED < 1286909374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this forever < 1286909389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do it occasionally though < 1286909390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in my defence < 1286909393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm always right < 1286909407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: emphasis on GUESSING < 1286909411 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway, i write in accumulator style by habit, and i know it's bad in haskell < 1286909413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286909458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna install ksplice < 1286909462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm ker-RAZY < 1286909467 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<cpressey> elliott: STOP MAKING POWERSHELL SCROLL and yes <-- eh? < 1286909475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it scrolls on activity? < 1286909481 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you turn that off? < 1286909488 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have it just scroll on input or such < 1286909492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most elaborate setup for a windows sucks joke ever < 1286909492 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: when it scrolls i can't select for a copy to clipb oard < 1286909495 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: haskell has several test suites as well as haddock for documentation. not that i've used them. < 1286909508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, hah < 1286909523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: python doctests are basically just assertions of == or prints, right? < 1286909525 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has maybe been done < 1286909532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: they have a little bit of fanciness to handle randomness/dates I think but still < 1286909551 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: assertion that "a repl session looks like this" < 1286909556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: well, right < 1286909561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: but it's basically a series of < 1286909563 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is usually overspecified < 1286909565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: this code evaluates to this result < 1286909566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1286909568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this code prints this string < 1286909569 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically yes < 1286909570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or both < 1286909579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter will basically never be tested in haskell ;) < 1286909582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the former is all that matters < 1286909585 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints, relying on repl semantics to print results < 1286909588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, easy enough project to do really < 1286909602 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :har < 1286909618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :things ksplice needs to be integrated with: Update Manager < 1286909643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there are legal issues with that iirc < 1286909652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for ubuntu to do it < 1286909657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ksplice to do it < 1286909664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just offer a modified update manager package or whatever < 1286909666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that replaces the usual one < 1286909670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep it sync'd < 1286909672 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work < 1286909691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm they call upstart a 30-day trial, but only the non-ubuntu/fedora ones say "Try it now" < 1286909692 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tried 10.10 yet? Any good? < 1286909700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ubuntu and fedora ones say "Get it free!" and have a free download link < 1286909702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess there's no trial period < 1286909705 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: my _vague_ understanding is quickcheck and smallcheck are useful in haskell for testing == kind of things, and hunit for actual IO related stuff < 1286909720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i have no problem at all with 10.10. you'll probably have 20, as it continues to be more and more Ubuntuesque. < 1286909725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1286909727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a few problems < 1286909728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1286909728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not many < 1286909732 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may be severely out of date < 1286909734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't ask me a question before going bbl < 1286909738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's incredibly rude... < 1286909749 0 :washingmachine!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1286909816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ksplice Uptrack for Ubuntu Desktop 10.04 Lucid will be freely supported for as long as Ubuntu Lucid is the newest version of Ubuntu. When the next version of Ubuntu Desktop (10.10 Meerkat) is released, we anticipate freely supporting that next version for as long as it is the newest version of Ubuntu. We anticipate using a similar model for Fedora." < 1286909817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1286909825 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the machines are rising < 1286909844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I configure Ksplice Uptrack to install updates automatically? < 1286909844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can enable the ill provide a smooth upgrade for sidux systems. In many ways nothing has changed but our name." < 1286930838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the ways that have changed < 1286930845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho < 1286930849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a disagreement between devs and the company < 1286930872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drama drama! < 1286930882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :involving companies in free OSes is always a bad idea i think. < 1286930887 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' suits < 1286930894 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' crampin' our style < 1286930903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: oh shaddup it's true < 1286930917 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: fuckin' rainbows! < 1286930917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you were being serious < 1286930940 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: neither serious nor in jest really < 1286930958 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is true < 1286930958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuckin' rainbows, how do they work? < 1286930960 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though he is having sex with rainbows. < 1286930965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... no. < 1286931002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We got a theory" -- Insane Clown Posse, at the beginning < 1286931012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I HATE SCIENTISTS" -- Insane Clown Posse, near the end, paraphrased < 1286931014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMMM < 1286931124 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it IS true, but if you want to get *paid* for doing foss? guess what < 1286931133 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must interface with the economy < 1286931139 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the economy is FUCKED < 1286931164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: fuck getting paid :D < 1286931174 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: exactly < 1286931304 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i liked that quote about the ibex < 1286931310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Theory aigj: ao. < 1286931312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Yes. < 1286931434 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover | GreaseMonkey, OK, so not being able to accurately store £0.10 is a tolerable error? < 1286931453 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are a large corporation with a valuation in the millions -- yes, totally. < 1286931465 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who gives a fuck about a few pence < 1286931476 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever you call those things after decimalisation < 1286931482 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they're still pence... < 1286931514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: [Explaining the plan] Alright so when the sub routine compounds the interest is uses all these extra decimal places that just get rounded off. So we simplified the whole thing, we rounded them all down, drop the remainder into an account we opened. < 1286931514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: [Confused] So you're stealing? < 1286931514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: Ah no, you don't understand. It's very complicated. It's uh it's aggregate, so I'm talking about fractions of a penny here. And over time they add up to a lot. < 1286931528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Yes, they are still pence. < 1286931531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: Oh okay. So you're gonna be making a lot of money, right? < 1286931532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: Yeah. < 1286931532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: Right. It's not yours? < 1286931532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: Well it becomes ours. < 1286931532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: How is that not stealing? < 1286931533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: [pauses] I don't think I'm explaining this very well. < 1286931534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: Okay. < 1286931536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: Um... the 7-11. You take a penny from the tray, right? < 1286931538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: From the cripple children? < 1286931540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: No that's the jar. I'm talking about the tray. You know the pennies that are for everybody? < 1286931544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joanna: Oh for everybody. Okay. < 1286931546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peter Gibbons: Well those are whole pennies, right? I'm just talking about fractions of a penny here. But we do it from a much bigger tray and we do it a couple a million times. < 1286931549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ +$// < 1286931627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if catseye has actually seen Office Space. < 1286931712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY NOT < 1286931733 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have but it was a long time ago. < 1286931750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Yes, all those 11 -- almost 12 -- years ago, in 1999. < 1286931755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[catseye feels UNSPEAKABLY OLD] < 1286931855 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if you are a large corporation: none of the developers you hire will be able to understand why you would not store currency in a float anyway. If you are lucky they will "understand" why it should be a double. < 1286931873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: dude, this place is a sanctuary. no talking about corporate development < 1286931877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286931881 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even hating on it? < 1286931891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay but not all the time < 1286931897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise we'll just get #corporate-dev-sucks :P < 1286931906 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1286931941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhoo < 1286931945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going in... a minute < 1286932030 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got nothing. so don't let me stop you < 1286932035 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'night < 1286932038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1286932047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You. Figure out a way to get a RAM-based filesystem to run a system from into RAM quickly. < 1286932051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "seconds" quickly. < 1286932051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx < 1286932052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1286932076 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "John Freeman turned on off the computer" would make an awesome quit message. < 1286932080 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I did have something! < 1286932095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: But... but I thought it was stupid! :p < 1286932106 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid and entertaining! < 1286932107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it can't beat DEMOCRATIC PEER-REVIEW-BASED IRC DISCONNECTION. < 1286932114 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru < 1286932143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1286932160 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As demonstrated above. < 1286932188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, as demonstrated by this! < 1286932196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As a last final note, I ought to watch Idiocracy sometime.) < 1286932199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BEHOLD: < 1286932203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Goodnight. Bye.) < 1286932204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by peer review < 1286932272 0 :dbc!~daniel@130-94-161-238-dsl.hevanet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286932594 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome desktop. < 1286932597 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trashcan. < 1286932599 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1286932953 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6 < 1286933183 0 :catseye!~catseye@adsl-99-94-155-109.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286933524 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286933547 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286934806 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adobe_acrobat_reader is a product that is a kind of map < 1286934812 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :president_elect is a U.S. person < 1286934842 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, copied the wrong one, that one is true X-P < 1286934847 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shanghai is the capital city of the country china < 1286934855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outdoor_air is a weather phenomenon < 1286934860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is that true, or just nonsense?) < 1286934898 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :outdoor_air is a weather phenomenon < 1286934907 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :john is a musician who is part of ben_folds < 1286934910 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286934936 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft_sql_server is a consumer electronic device < 1286934982 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :envelope_llc_intelligent_nutrients is an office supply < 1286934990 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barack is a politician who holds the office of secretary < 1286935102 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"intelligent nutrients" < 1286935115 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that < 1286936015 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286936288 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286936356 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286936383 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey eso < 1286936830 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Quadlex < 1286936886 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286936917 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How're we going? < 1286936925 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm about to call a loan shark about a job they are offering < 1286937056 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are all going all over < 1286937103 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I almost took a job at a usurer last year :) < 1286937144 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286937295 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An usurer? < 1286937332 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy word for loan shark. < 1286937384 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1286937388 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a software job < 1286937392 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they actually seem really cool < 1286937394 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is weird < 1286937398 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cashdoctors.com.au < 1286937539 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My offer was kind of like that, too... programmers had their own offices, the pay was good, etc. < 1286937561 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ended up going to a different place because their health insurance was kind of crap, though. < 1286937579 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their what? < 1286937583 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Health what? < 1286937590 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex: Australian! :) < 1286937599 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, I remember now < 1286937607 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're socialist nazi commies < 1286937608 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from Canada originally, but in this awful place called the United States right nw... < 1286937611 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*now < 1286937850 0 :optonline.net)!oined #esoteric JOIN :#esoteric < 1286945216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far, I've got to say Debian is less of a complete and utter pain than Gentoo. < 1286945275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does GTK+ hate me using my trackpad to scroll? < 1286945325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And seems to perform better. < 1286945341 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From inside of a VM. < 1286945585 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286945632 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286945960 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: HEY < 1286945972 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: YOU APPEAR TO HAVE DIEDED < 1286945994 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FUNGOT HAS APPEARED TO HAVE DIEDEDED < 1286946330 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286946467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION allows Symantec to downgrade his beautiful new computer :( < 1286946787 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Well, you only have two ears. With some physical simulation, should be totally feasible. < 1286946807 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Reminds me of that barbershop recording ... < 1286946968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAARGH Debian (and clones) has one major, major breaker for me. Multiarch support is not quite finished. < 1286947023 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Mplayer's "hrtf" plugin does that. < 1286947030 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, multiarch sucks arse on Debian. < 1286947038 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(abbreviation of "head-related transfer function", the method it uses for that) < 1286947040 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a debootstrap-generated i386 chroot. < 1286947058 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Apparently they fell *just* short of getting multiarch into squeeze. < 1286947080 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here I thought it had the best chance of having decent multiarch. < 1286947082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God. < 1286947094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Gentoo's multiarch support *still* the only thing that even halfway works? < 1286947100 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sid doesn't have useful multiarch. < 1286947108 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because multiarch is (relatively) easy when you build everything. < 1286947120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Except it's not even doing that. < 1286947130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's... Just got a handful of tarballs of x86_32 libraries. < 1286947147 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, that != multiarch support :P < 1286947150 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even Debian has that. < 1286947157 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably Gentoo can build 32-bit libraries on x86_64? < 1286947171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but it only does so for libc, IIRC. < 1286947210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, it also has packages for 32-bit only programs. Said programs on x86_64 depend on the tarballs instead of the actual libraries. < 1286947219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a damned hack, but *it fucking works*. < 1286947248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian has everything up to GTK+ for x86_32 on x86_64 < 1286947253 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But that's it) < 1286947275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Gentoo's got... Basically all the dependencies for programs without x86_64 versions. < 1286947278 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus apparently it has an installable x86_32 Java for some unimaginable reason. < 1286947301 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is using a Toshiba Satellite T215 < 1286947302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no official x86_64 Java binaries. < 1286947313 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Builds just fine, though. < 1286947320 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhh, yeah, these are the sun packages, yeah. < 1286947327 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's not considered a netbook < 1286947336 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I of course have OpenJDK :P < 1286947350 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286947370 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. It's just a bit less of a pain to deal with. < 1286947410 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate to say it, but Mandriva has great multiarch support :P < 1286947444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen the dark side of its multiarch support. < 1286947446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shudder* < 1286947471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPM has far far too many limitations. < 1286947480 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, RPM is garbagesauce on rye. < 1286947482 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATI Integrated Radeon stuff > Intel integrated? < 1286947495 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Hard to imagine it wouldn't be. < 1286947502 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Unless you want it to work on Linux. < 1286947513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Unless power usage is your consideration, yes. < 1286947524 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1286947534 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, why does SL hate this thing? < 1286947534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Official drivers should just work, the X11 drivers should just have somewhat shitty OpenGL performance. < 1286947546 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's what I mean by "work" :P < 1286947559 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced that ATI+Linux will even outperform Intel+Linux. < 1286947559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, I mean, the ones that are *built into X11*. < 1286947574 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figured out how to stop XChat from minimizing to tray < 1286947588 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still... < 1286947604 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION continues to munch on infant bones while watching the conversation unfold. < 1286947612 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nvidia+Linux is definitely better than ATI+Linux, performance-wise. < 1286947645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries SL on lowest settings < 1286947844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION angrily blibbers at the "32-bit only" thing in SL's requirements < 1286947935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can fix that by building it. < 1286948017 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, talking < 1286948285 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Orchestra_layout.svg This orchestra layout lists both "double basses" and "contrebasses". ... fail. < 1286948287 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@wsip-70-166-115-251.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286948694 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eicar time < 1286948742 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked well < 1286948769 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there should also be separate sections for baritones and euphoniums < 1286948784 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye: Considering that the arrangement is almost entirely wrong, it's sort of irrelevant. < 1286948786 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(baritone horn, of course) < 1286948830 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that those ever get into an orchestra. < 1286948844 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Muahahahaha < 1286948847 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw your euphonium :P < 1286949115 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Perhaps there should be a seating arrangement for the coronets. < 1286949217 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cornet < 1286949227 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoosh < 1286949240 0 :catseye!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night. < 1286949250 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could go a cornetto < 1286950175 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286950496 0 :realazthat!~realaztha@pool-72-89-222-165.nycmny.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286951688 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn ubuntu < 1286951693 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do an upgrade without breaking my sound? < 1286951828 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLC comes with FluidSynth stuff? < 1286951830 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1286951832 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can just use a soundfont? < 1286951836 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sound for you < 1286951854 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Ubuntu users are happy with brown wallpaper and silence < 1286951855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And unicorns will take flight? < 1286951889 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicorns don't need to fly to get around < 1286951892 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're just THERE < 1286951905 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Omnipresent Man! < 1286951929 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, he's Omnipresent, but does the bastard ever do anything? < 1286951936 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he's too busy with his hand on his dick < 1286952422 0 :antivigilante!~antivigil@wsip-70-166-115-251.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286952481 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> So, looking at seeing if/how Debian's made an abomination of things, being seduced by Slackware, aaand... I think I'll try random things from there. <-- arch is pretty good IMO < 1286952611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> Nvidia+Linux is definitely better than ATI+Linux, performance-wise. <-- last I checked, also stability-wise. < 1286952615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a while ago though < 1286952627 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :though intel graphics is probably most stable < 1286952636 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1286952636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst when it comes to performance though < 1286952665 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286952774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<coppro> can you do an upgrade without breaking my sound? <-- that is why you stay on LTS if using ubuntu < 1286952966 0 :antivigilante_!~antivigil@wsip-70-166-115-251.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286952988 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286953007 0 :antivigilante_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :antivigilante < 1286953133 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you've got some borogrove on your face < 1286953195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION snicker-snack! < 1286953232 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadlex, new here, nick-changer, previously idler or just someone who been away for some time? < 1286953333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, don't have time to wait for answer, need to leave or I'll miss the bus < 1286953392 0 :Quadlex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Newish < 1286953439 0 :antivigilante!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1286953483 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286953932 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286955050 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286955377 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: re: hrtf.. thanks! < 1286955552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re "brown wallpaper", also, the Meerkat wallpaper is pretty colorful and un-brown. < 1286955596 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/x34gp6re/wartyfinalubuntu.jpg from a random google-image hit. < 1286955974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286956101 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't have a word for purple, that *is* brown < 1286956198 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess it's not so dissimilar in color from the not-quite-as-brown Lucid wallpaper -- http://www.kilobitspersecond.com/stuff/warty-final-ubuntu.jpg -- too. < 1286956221 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286956228 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286956255 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karmic and Jaunty were pretty brown though. < 1286956310 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And Intrepid. And Hardy.) < 1286956739 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkkyKZVzug&feature=player_embedded#! < 1286956799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1286956800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1286956831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people keep saying the same thing; that link was posted by alise in 2010-09-28 and nooga in 2010-09-29. And I don't think clog was even down then, so no excuse at all! < 1286956879 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of excuses, was I supposed to do something to fungot? < 1286956879 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it is. < 1286956886 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not. < 1286958274 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1286958289 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and xkcd is back to just weird again. < 1286958577 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux aqualung with "metal" skin = awesome < 1286958583 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i'm on a c64 again <3 < 1286958600 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, a very good music play0r < 1286960979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1286962888 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1286964372 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286965330 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286966957 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286967611 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286969417 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286969629 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286969783 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286969920 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286970305 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286970701 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286971474 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286971900 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286972500 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286972951 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286973400 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286976593 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286977240 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@32.164.59.109 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286977280 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized something horrible about Flatterland < 1286977356 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It promotes the pseudoscientific bullshit involving taking scientific words, interpreting stuff as you please, and thinking it means something < 1286977390 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286977447 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel no guilt about spoiling this: the last scene involves the protagonist basing arguments for gender equality on Flatland's supersymmetry < 1286977529 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Supersymmetric sister! ..." < 1286977563 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the rest of her advertisement on Flatland's Internet < 1286977624 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286978078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286978111 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286978293 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, Speak Not Ill Of Ian Stewart. < 1286978381 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to! < 1286978477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, And Thou Wert Always At War With Eastasia. < 1286978609 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog sees all, SgeoN1/ < 1286978628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except when it's broken, of course. < 1286978645 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286978648 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to criticise the book I loved as a kid, but I must! < 1286978677 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like Friend Computer! Friend Computer never breaHSUDJEHDHDHDHHHU < 1286978697 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: do not confuse Ian and Iain Stewart. < 1286978701 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*beep* < 1286978725 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1286978852 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Calculus the Easy Way? < 1286978912 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't love books? < 1286978943 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*multiple < 1286978953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember you pondering why there wasn't a TV Tropes article on it a while ago... < 1286978980 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286978984 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't seem to have a WP article, implying it's pretty obscure. < 1286978998 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it comes to books, I'm polygamous. Only with languages is it serial monogamy < 1286979098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the easy way to do calculus was from first principles... < 1286979181 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "easy" there depends entirely on one's point of view. < 1286979360 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going off irc to save battery < 1286979364 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1286979426 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/11/chilean-miners-rival-churches-tussle < 1286981632 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1286981665 0 :elliott!~elliott@91.105.99.56 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286981702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: A Golly ruleset sounds interesting enough! < 1286981717 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286981771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:34 <catseye> Gnome desktop. < 1286981772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:37 <catseye> Trashcan. < 1286981772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:16:39 <catseye> Where? < 1286981774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bottom right. Panel. < 1286981779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If using Ubuntu.) < 1286981806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:53:26 <Gregor> adobe_acrobat_reader is a product that is a kind of map < 1286981808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are these from? < 1286981859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:46:56 <pikhq> So far, I've got to say Debian is less of a complete and utter pain than Gentoo. < 1286981865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: stable, testing, sid? < 1286982043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:37:34 <Quadlex> Real Ubuntu users are happy with brown wallpaper and silence < 1286982047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Year old information fail < 1286982051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's PURPLE now! < 1286982064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:48:01 <Vorpal> <pikhq> So, looking at seeing if/how Debian's made an abomination of things, being seduced by Slackware, aaand... I think I'll try random things from there. <-- arch is pretty good IMO < 1286982070 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286982075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really isn't and pikhq is smart enough to have realised that already. < 1286982738 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286982886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286983361 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286983769 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286983928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purple is the new brown, eh? < 1286983968 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286984119 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< ais523> I'm amused at the way he called me a hacker with basically no evidence < 1286984131 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, he... called you a hacker out of the blue? < 1286984144 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, no ais523, and clog is probably still wack < 1286984214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ais523 has been "collaborating" with esr to get old c-intercal versions together because knuth wants it < 1286984410 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286984418 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, i remembered that. but even in that context it's a bit creepy < 1286984489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1286984499 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what knuth wants knuth gets < 1286984685 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.188.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286984777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrrrr at glare < 1286984791 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286985161 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286985377 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION falls in love with WinSCP < 1286985521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love croissants. < 1286985557 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crossaints love you, too < 1286985684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh, pyFLTK's API is ugly. < 1286985688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fltk.Fl_Window... < 1286985699 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf's fltk? < 1286985714 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fast Light ToolKit < 1286985725 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And considering that FLTK's API is ugly itself, it's unsurprising that pyFLTK's API is ugly :P < 1286985817 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286985823 0 :cheater!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do? < 1286985860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, it's not that ugly. < 1286985863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fine in C++ :P < 1286985892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If they just chopped the Fl_ prefixes off, and changed foo.prop(x) to "foo.prop = x" and foo.prop() into foo.prop, it'd be almost perfect. < 1286985899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Change labelsize and the like into label_size and it'd be perfect. < 1286985955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and making the constructor args be e.g. < 1286985963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Button((110, 130), (100, 35), 'Okay') < 1286985964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than < 1286985968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Button(110, 130, 100, 35, 'Okay') < 1286985972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be a nice finishing touch. < 1286986192 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, if they changed almost every aspect of the API, it'd be ALMOST perfect : < 1286986194 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1286986204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, firstly, those are all *Python* changes. < 1286986212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't change the C++ API. < 1286986239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A sed one the names, wrapping property-functions as properties -- not hard -- and unpacking a tuple in contructors. < 1286986252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then, as a super-optional thing, maybe s/foobar/foo_bar/.) < 1286986255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on the < 1286986269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not exactly major API changes, just aesthetics. < 1286986270 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286986278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Name something with a nicer API. < 1286986296 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to get used to this keyboard < 1286986498 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Like all languages, all APIs suck. < 1286986507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Name one that sucks less. < 1286986537 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, even STL sucks less. < 1286986547 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use enough C++ to make relevant comparisons though :P < 1286986552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's suck a ridiculous challenge. < 1286986558 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Name an API that sucks less than <x>" < 1286986563 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeesh. < 1286986645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: name a GUI API that sucks less than FLTK < 1286986706 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only GUI APIs I've used are FLTK and GTK+, and GTK+ sure as hell ain't it. < 1286986721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Lemme put it this way. < 1286986730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you think FLTK has a terrible API, you haven't seen every other GUI API. < 1286986743 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never write GUIs. < 1286986746 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because GUIs are for pussies. < 1286986748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tk's API is better, sure. Hell, so is Shoes', although nobody uses that for serious stuff. < 1286986750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from that. < 1286986752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1286986838 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286986848 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl persons: < 1286986855 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are delete and exists magical? < 1286987320 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286987490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now you've got me mocking up half-code of a non-shitty GUI API... < 1286987494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn you! < 1286987505 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: All of Perl is magical! < 1286987519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why, exactly, this thing came with a 64-bit version of Win7 < 1286987540 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only has 2gbs, are there any relevant advantages to 64-bit considering that? < 1286987549 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, you must use curses so that your app works on all terminals. oh you want to colorize your bash prompt? here's some vt100 escape codes, enjoy < 1286987645 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: actually I have no idea what you mean. Syntactically they're slightly magical, because they take a whole hash ref as argument, but don't evaluate it. Semantically, the hash can be tied, so other things can happen when you delete or exsists. But that is, afaik, all. < 1286987679 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION meant the syntactical bit < 1286987693 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, in fact, magic that I can't reproduce in my own functions? < 1286987731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://pastie.org/pastes/1218376/text?key=jzpmwvfrsp1qg51leacw < 1286987739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Look, it doesn't suck! < 1286987757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (_ is "arrange horizontally", | vertically) < 1286987860 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286987917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that switch's canecl should actually be < 1286987921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :case $cancel \undo < 1286987922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To undo the selection. < 1286988088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Psht, so unappreciative. < 1286988106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it should be case $cancel \cancel to cancel whatever event we're handling. < 1286988116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which implies to me that $cancel should have a default action of cancelling. < 1286988127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making the case perhaps unnecessary. < 1286988128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever. < 1286988146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: http://pastie.org/pastes/1218391/text?key=p2lt6cdvyvt1bgy7u9pj2q < 1286988148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: ADMIRE < 1286988251 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286988443 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not by any way I'm aware of, but my awareness essentially ends around 5.6 -- after that it's all a blur < 1286988451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> cpressey: http://pastie.org/pastes/1218391/text?key=p2lt6cdvyvt1bgy7u9pj2q < 1286988451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> cpressey: ADMIRE < 1286988453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1286988469 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: attack of the mutant yamls. < 1286988479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 'TIS NOT YAML < 1286988484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: 'TIS GOOEY < 1286988496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: As I said, _ means horizontal arrangement, and | means vertical < 1286988499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest is somewhat obvious < 1286988512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modified: [text contents != pages .(page_list selected) text] < 1286988512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page_text: [pages .(page_list selected) text] < 1286988514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this needs changing to < 1286988521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :page_text: [pages .(page_list selected) text] < 1286988522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :modified: [text contents != page_text] < 1286988525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact < 1286988527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tweaks a bit < 1286988572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/pastes/1218407/text?key=rvfz2k1dho97nel635zhg < 1286988574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. < 1286988891 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286988923 0 :atrapado!~ro@193.144.79.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286989219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey does not even acknowledge my design POWAH < 1286989361 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286989412 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moop < 1286989426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOR DOES GREGOR < 1286989440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/pastes/1218407/text?key=rvfz2k1dho97nel635zhg You made me do this, it's *your* responsibility to comment! < 1286989486 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn* < 1286989503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCOUNDREL < 1286989641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wirth's law: "Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster." < 1286989663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, didn't realise anyone had called it "Wirth's law" before. < 1286989695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wirth attributed the saying to Martin Reiser" -- thus continuing to fulfil -- what's that law's name again? < 1286989705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where things are never attributed to the first person to think of them, instead the second. < 1286989832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1286989916 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286989947 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How bookendy. < 1286990030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1286990043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can you link me to that site that has a shitload of spaceships catalogued in various rules? < 1286990049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it tells you which are inverses of others, etc. < 1286990051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue backrgound < 1286990052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*background < 1286990089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's one of Golly's external thingies IIRC. < 1286990100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's not affiliated with golly < 1286990117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but Golly can still look at it < 1286990132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1286990133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right though < 1286990134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fano.ics.uci.edu/ca/ < 1286990163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has 3 more gliders for Day & Night than for Life. < 1286990164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1286990181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the inverted versions, presumably < 1286990183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1286990207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, there are definitely more than 40 spaceships in Life, < 1286990229 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not that dated, either: it has the Caterpillar in it. < 1286990267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn these Golly developers! < 1286990313 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be that hard to replace give_obnoxious_warning_about_not_being_able_to_do_something_while_generating(); with stop(); do_thing();? < 1286990334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :golly's ui is terrible < 1286990371 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... tolerable, if you zoom out when using Quicklife. < 1286990381 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286990392 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286990484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its editing is so limitedly-designed as to be useless < 1286990506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple operations like clearing a 50,000 x 50,000 square somehow take ten minutes < 1286990524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so maybe that's more reasonable :) < 1286990525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1286990528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it was empty! < 1286990535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the controls are blergh < 1286990538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't save colours per-pattern < 1286990539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfjgodfjsiojh < 1286990540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks < 1286990566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wow. Tiny Core Linux has a KDE package. < 1286990577 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny Core is awesome :) < 1286990577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Never has KDE been in a less appropriate setting X-D < 1286990578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, clearing a square is going to take a long time unless you're clever about it. < 1286990588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I totally want a ten megabyte micro-distro... with KDE 4." < 1286990591 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Tiny CORE Linux, not Tiny EVERYTHING Linux < 1286990647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny Core may be cool but it's not as cool as KITTEN < 1286990734 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Existing is so uncool. < 1286990759 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286990856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990886 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :155|<Gregor> Well yeah, but furthermore unlike, oh, say, an Apple product, you don't have to sign their "we own your sperm" license agreement to GET that SDK and the requisite libraries. ... <Gregor> pikhq: Sure, but it's the only way Apple could get a first-born-son clause into a modern licensing agreement without infringing < 1286990904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990907 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :215|<fungot> Sgeo: hahaah, and i love when they announced it i dare u to press alt f4 and your house ( acts 16:31 your bible) < 1286990936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990939 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :127|<Ami> Discrimination fields ACTIVATE. < 1286990941 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286990943 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990947 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :63|<fizzie> The thing is just to exist < 1286990953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990957 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :126|<Warrigal> Ah, vulva. <Warrigal> What is that, anyway? < 1286990958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990961 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :98|<fungot> ehird: every set can be well-ordered. corollary: every set s has the same diagram used from famous program talisman with fnord windows to cascade, someone i would never capitalize " i" < 1286990961 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990964 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42|<ais523> after all, what are DVD players for? < 1286990967 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19|<Warrigal> "You're at that stage in your life where you're going to want to do some things in private." --my mom < 1286990971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286990974 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2|<Aftran> I used computational linguistics to kill her. < 1286991006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286991009 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :77|<ehird> no Deewiant <Deewiant> No?! <Deewiant> I've been living a lie <ehird> yep. <Deewiant> Excuse me while I jump out of the window -> < 1286991030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286991033 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6|<Keiya> I think the freemasons are actually a cover for homosexual men. < 1286991085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286991086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1286991094 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :88|<Madelon> both of you, quit it with the f-bombs. <Madelon> kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in? < 1286991097 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128|<Slereah> I can do everything a Turing machine can do, except love < 1286991099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://pastie.org/pastes/1218391/text?key=p2lt6cdvyvt1bgy7u9pj2q BEHOLD (because nobody else will) < 1286991104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops wait < 1286991106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an older one < 1286991124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://pastie.org/pastes/1218501/text?key=kgj5a2hgnlvgoqqntjkg < 1286991126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEHOLD < 1286991127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's it for? < 1286991130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/pastes/1218501/text?key=kgj5a2hgnlvgoqqntjkg < 1286991131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1286991141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I complained about pyFLTK's API, Gregor complained about FLTK's API < 1286991142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is that Smalltalk? < 1286991145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noted that all GUI libs sucked < 1286991150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote my own fakecode for something that sucked a bit less < 1286991152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't < 1286991159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the previous one sucks, only look at the latest one < 1286991160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1286991166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what? < 1286991168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1286991170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 5:32 PM? < 1286991171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, stuff < 1286991180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You know < 1286991186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-> stuff" < 1286991188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a lame way of saying < 1286991191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl :P < 1286991398 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you still broken? < 1286991398 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: riastradh oh, indeed. i'd prefer to just call fnord or whatever.) < 1286991460 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286991671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: UNFORTUNATELY KDE4-DESKTOP.TCZ DOESN'T INSTALL. < 1286991675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Error on hunspell.tcz" < 1286991681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have gone with attilaspell.tcz < 1286991789 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooplah < 1286991795 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Only Atilla can install it. < 1286991811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Totally preempted you there. < 1286991834 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foobar. < 1286991855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT MIGHT BE WORKING THIS TIME < 1286991967 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286992093 0 :flippo!~frivol@71-218-70-171.hlrn.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286992129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what distro is that? < 1286992206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "I see no reason to listen to you"r questions. < 1286992241 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286992273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1286992289 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fair enough < 1286992399 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :select the function you want to call from the dropdown < 1286992406 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1286992407 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO IT < 1286992443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Sounds like Excel. < 1286992488 0 :flippo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1286992488 0 :flippo!~frivol@unaffiliated/flippo JOIN :#esoteric < 1286992789 0 :atrapado!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1286993380 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1286993673 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone just told me that i'm Roy from IT Crowd < 1286993699 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i heard it twice < 1286993706 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my boss and from my date < 1286993706 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;f < 1286993728 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286994180 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1286994251 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286994391 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1286994502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you're right gui development sucks < 1286994854 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1286994987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not giving me credit for saying that several times before? Oh well *shrug* < 1286995026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can't do GUI development because of some sort of cognitive deformity. I was merely referring to the current crop of *common* toolkits. < 1286995034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few I like, but they are mostly dead projects. < 1286995034 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286995080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And please either start ignoring me entirely, or talk in more than passive-aggressive slights. < 1286995278 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286995296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur < 1286995320 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello elliot < 1286995352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO FUCKING TS < 1286995361 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286995429 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1286995435 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot sound okay to me < 1286995456 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between t and tt anyway? < 1286995687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, nougart < 1286995694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nougat < 1286995708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, so it's not pronounced identically, but my point is made.) < 1286996064 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286996141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> Vorpal: You can't do GUI development because of some sort of cognitive deformity. I was merely referring to the current crop of *common* toolkits. <-- hm, no, I never claimed I wasn't able to do it at all in theory < 1286996155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said I disliked it, and implicitly referred to any GUI toolkits I used < 1286996204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> And please either start ignoring me entirely, or talk in more than passive-aggressive slights. <-- do you know what "the golden rule" means? < 1286996240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am perfectly willing to not talk to you if you stop highlighting me with questions that ask for a response. < 1286996270 0 :cpressey_!~CPressey@12.116.117.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286996273 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fi:aita = en:fence, fi:aitta = en:granary/storehouse/whatever. We have these delightful meaning-changes when it comes to "t"/"tt". < 1286996281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have nothing against talking to you in general. < 1286996284 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, /msg? < 1286996457 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Korean also pronounces t/tt (and d/dd) differently. < 1286996462 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1286996479 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cpressey < 1286996504 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286996597 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Also, I didn't notice anything wrong with fungot; maybe you just hit the "I will only answer to the same guy four or so times in a row" limit? < 1286996597 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: then ask for more time to demi, irc-galleria, pouet, deviantart, newsgroups etc. it would be more fun < 1286996599 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286996620 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286996658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does the t/tt thing change the quality of the t or the letter before it (the latter would be like in Swedish) < 1286996718 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that must be it. < 1286996909 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think officially what it changes is the length of the silent part in /t/. It doesn't (much) change the neighbouring letters; Finnish has, or at least is approximated reasonably well by a simple mapping from text to phonemes. < 1286996927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1286996948 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what do you mean with silent part though < 1286996992 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stop in it. < 1286997000 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Record something with a t and take a look if you want. < 1286997058 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286997087 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286997125 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the articulation of the stop, three phases can be distinguished: < 1286997126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Catch: The airway closes so that no air can escape through the mouth (hence the name stop). With nasal stops, the air escapes through the nose. < 1286997126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Hold or occlusion: The airway stays closed, causing a pressure difference to build up (hence the name occlusive). < 1286997126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Release or burst: The closure is opened. In the case of plosives, the released airflow produces a sudden impulse causing an audible sound (hence the name plosive)." < 1286997129 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The middle part, then. < 1286997141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, double consonants can change a lot in Swedish too, but in that case it changes the quality of the preceding vowel. Like sil (en:sieve) and sill (a kind of fish, seems like I forgot what that one is called in English) < 1286997208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr, I hate it when TLDs and language codes don't match. < 1286997215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :se.wikipedia.org is not Swedish. < 1286997289 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'sv' code is a bit annoying; I remember not noticing it when looking at a suitable keymap in NetBSD, since it only listed them by language code. (There wasn't one for fi, but sv is usable enough.) < 1286997325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I agree it is annoying < 1286997326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice to have a translate thing here that uses interwiki. < 1286997329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1286997343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> `tr sv sill < 1286997346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I always have to think if I want se or sv when I select keymap on a livecd < 1286997348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<HackEgo> Atlantic herring < 1286997352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> `tr sv sill no < 1286997362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<HackEgo> Whoops no article lol < 1286997366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, herring sounds about right < 1286997369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> `tr sv sill nn < 1286997382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<HackEgo> ERROR REFUSE TO SHOW NYNORK BECAUSE AM BIGOT BOT < 1286997390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nynork, what a spelling error < 1286997391 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what really? :D < 1286997403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which tr < 1286997407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't made it yet! < 1286997408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan to though < 1286997412 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/tr < 1286997412 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nynork sounds like some sort of a D&D monster. < 1286997413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, the Swedish wiki links to the Nynorsk article for herring < 1286997415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh < 1286997422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tr has been borkleborked for a while. < 1286997422 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC < 1286997423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed! < 1286997425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that one links to the Bokm\oal one < 1286997426 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1286997431 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IGNORE MY PAST THREE LINES. < 1286997435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1286997441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Swedish one doesn't link to the bokmal one directly < 1286997449 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, tr is a bit bad name for it < 1286997450 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1286997451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is just odd. < 1286997454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes yes, I didn't think. < 1286997463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead ponder why interwiki is silly. < 1286997476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of interwiki doesn't catch second-level interwikis? < 1286997479 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, trans or something like that might work (unless that is taken too, in which case I guess I didn't think) < 1286997482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. "this listed interwiki links to this other interwiki") < 1286997489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[think that is was] that is ;) < 1286997492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe "iw" for interwiki < 1286997535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iw says here: "Usage: iw [options] command" but then I wouldn't expect it on a server, since it deals with 802.11 stuff < 1286997551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes in ~/bin, so who cares. < 1286997556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1286997570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tr is the kind of thing shell scripts in ~/bin might use < 1286997578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, iw would work very well < 1286997583 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nynork nynork, it's a helluva town < 1286997598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"<query-continue>" fuck you i want the whole query < 1286997598 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey thinks the way i do, apparently < 1286997618 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION high fives < 1286997624 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nynork? < 1286997641 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286997648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I actually meant nynorsk < 1286997665 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're blue and you don't know where to go to, why don't you go where fashion sits? < 1286997759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://redhatinbluesea.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/j4lup.jpeg < 1286997805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or even "interwiki" + "translate" = intertrans! The most vague thing ever. < 1286997815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except having connotations of an intersexed, transgender person. < 1286997822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true, a bit tedious to type though < 1286997823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wikilate. < 1286997838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there are some virtues in a short name < 1286997841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"11 am? I'm afraid you're wikilate. You're wikifired." < 1286997847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1286997853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wikiam < 1286997872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So do you have an wl(1)? < 1286997883 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wikileven wikiam? WikI'm wikfraid wiki're wikilate. Wiki're wikifired." < 1286997893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bork bork bork < 1286997899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not on any turned on computer at least < 1286997921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that jpg (err, jpeg actually, how unusual), is it supposed to be on top of a communion bread? < 1286997933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kind of looks a bit like that < 1286997934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1286997939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Putin on the ... < 1286997947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes it is obviously Putin :P < 1286997951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puttin'_on_the_Ritz < 1286997954 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :putin on the ritz? < 1286997962 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is SOOOOO funny < 1286997962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes < 1286997970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So funny it has a capital SOOOOO? < 1286997972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1286997982 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1286997986 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, THAAAAAT funny < 1286998117 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1286998123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HackEgo totally needs a way to take quoted arguments. < 1286998133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean "please, god, don't make me feed every call through sh". < 1286998148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you can just use _. < 1286998149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still. < 1286998177 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the `run thingy isn't that irritating IMO. Just 4 letters more < 1286998193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but still. < 1286998199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, it would be nice to avoid it < 1286998243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still, there are more annoying things, like !haskell doing ghci then ghc, and not reporting any errors for some cases < 1286998252 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(instead just failing silently) < 1286998266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wait, does HackEgo have network? < 1286998280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seem to remember he used the owner netfilter match < 1286998283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to check for uid < 1286998292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to block it for all but a handful of things < 1286998295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: tl;dr I need *.wikipedia.org access. < 1286998339 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is, he was considering how to solve the network issue then I mentioned the owner match and he concluded it fitted perfectly, so unless he changed I presume he still uses that < 1286998363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. < 1286998390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I just noticed how silly "so unless he changed I presume he still uses that" actually is if you read what it actually means < 1286998414 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It has an http proxy, I can give extra access on request. Wikipedia seems reasonable, one sec.' < 1286998425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I need all language codes, mind :P < 1286998434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course he might not be, in which case he isn't, and then doesn't use that) < 1286998438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just access normally or do I need to write my program for the proxy? < 1286998442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that was a bit too extreme to match zzo < 1286998454 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It needs to be proxy-aware. < 1286998466 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you're writing something using e.g. wget to do requests, then you're fine. < 1286998469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fucking fuckshit fuck you okay how do I do it? < 1286998473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, I use urllib2 :P < 1286998482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it SOCKS or something horrible? < 1286998490 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a standard HTTP proxy. < 1286998491 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's python isn't it (urllib2 I mean)? < 1286998493 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't be SOCKS. < 1286998496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1286998510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why the 2, I never seem to remember seeing any urllib < 1286998518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a urllib. < 1286998521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :urllib2 uses it internally. < 1286998524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1286998526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Python 3 it's a saner name. < 1286998531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286998539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class urllib2.ProxyHandler([proxies]) < 1286998540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cause requests to go through a proxy. If proxies is given, it must be a dictionary mapping protocol names to URLs of proxies. The default is to read the list of proxies from the environment variables . If no proxy environment variables are set, in a Windows environment, proxy settings are obtained from the registry’s Internet Settings section and in a Mac OS X environment, proxy information is retrie < 1286998540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ved from the OS X System Configuration Framework. < 1286998552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's the URoLogy? < 1286998558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean URL. < 1286998564 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in $http_proxy < 1286998564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well that is only to be expected, they did use the opportunity of python 3 breaking things anyway to clear up some weirdness < 1286998596 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $http_proxy < 1286998600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1286998604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OR IS IT < 1286998607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1286998611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $HTTP_PROXY FUCK YEAH < 1286998612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1286998615 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://127.0.0.1:3128 < 1286998616 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YEAH < 1286998616 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1286998621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah just slow < 1286998638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why couldn't you just IP firewall it ;__ < 1286998641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*;__; < 1286998646 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he is doing that as well < 1286998661 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286998661 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you still use the owner match I presume? < 1286998722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "The default is to read the list of proxies from the environment variables" < 1286998725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should totally set that propertly < 1286998735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*variables." (it's " ." in the source text but I'm sure that's a mistake.) < 1286998739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*properly. < 1286998881 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.180.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1286998892 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was testing Testing. < 1286998897 0 :cpressey_!~CPressey@173-9-215-173-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1286998901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Testing? Testing testing? < 1286998915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apparently Sid isn't going to get multiarch support until Squeeze is made stable. < 1286998919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing testing testing? ("Testing to see if you want to test testing") < 1286998923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: KITTEN < 1286998929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MULTIARCH UP THE ANUS^WWAZOO < 1286998934 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should write unit tests for the unit tests of the unit testing framework < 1286998945 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically, until then, Debian will suck more than Gentoo on amd64, regardless. < 1286998954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, multiarch as in proper lib32? < 1286998960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, how *is* Kitten going to handle multiple ABIs? < 1286998962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be so awesome < 1286998964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1286998997 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gentoo kinda sucks at it and has it very hacky.. (tarballs of libraries) Debian has that, but less comprehensive. < 1286999001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: # pkg ins libc --arch=x86 < 1286999008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: # pkg ins libc --arch=x86-64 < 1286999013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: # pkg ins libc --arch=arm < 1286999018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And the filesystem layout? < 1286999019 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, most distros I know of has it very hacky < 1286999026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Quite true. < 1286999039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Per-ABI bin/lib/... dirs? < 1286999044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, correction: all distros, except arch recently made it somewhat more sane < 1286999045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm open to suggestions on that. Probably something like /lib32, /lib64, /libarm. < 1286999060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or, perhaps even: root is your native architecture, beyond that it's /arch/... < 1286999061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So < 1286999065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lib/libc.a < 1286999073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/x86/lib/libc.a < 1286999077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, I'm open to suggestions. < 1286999086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Make it the actual ABI tuple. < 1286999095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure. < 1286999102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, arch still doesn't provide a complete set of 32-bit packages on 64-bit, but the repo and package layouts is quite a bit saner than in gentoo (one package matches one package, not one package matches a bunch of loosely related packages) < 1286999103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I might hide it away in an /arch/ directory to avoid the ugly. < 1286999109 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, had an ad-hoc meeting. < 1286999114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, does NetBSD have ABI tuples? < 1286999126 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1286999130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an autotools convention that's gotten spread elsewhere. < 1286999136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1286999151 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is one of the few sane things coming from autotools < 1286999152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm not sure what the OS part of Kitten's would be though. < 1286999161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-netbsd-...what? < 1286999194 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd probably be best to have the same filesystem layout regardless of what the native ABI is; some packages hardcode paths in, and it's easier to not have to patch that. < 1286999203 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *-netbsd-<whatever sort of userland you use> < 1286999214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsd userland? I presume you wouldn't use gnu userland < 1286999216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *-netbsd-kitten, then. < 1286999219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe. < 1286999226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might use newlib libc with BSD coreutils. Who knows? < 1286999229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The convention is that the last bit is based on the libc. < 1286999245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then *-netbsd-newlib < 1286999260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But what if I change libc?! (Okay, yeah, everything will have to be rebuilt anyway :P) < 1286999266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, exactly :P < 1286999269 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, i686-pc-linux-gnu for a "normal" Linux system, but i686-pc-linux-uclibc for a uclibc system. < 1286999279 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except you could now have them side by side when rebuilding! < 1286999287 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you have the filesystem layout based on the ABI tuple, you could have them both! < 1286999294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Even if you dynamically link! < 1286999302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the pc stuff, none of my systems have it < 1286999305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: AAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1286999310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes. < 1286999319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I'm concerned there's no reason not just to have an arch option when building packages. < 1286999322 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wait, actually one does < 1286999333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy enough for the package to have arch-specific dependencies, too. < 1286999338 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Wikipedia was already whitelisted :P < 1286999338 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ -O - < 1286999343 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"> \ <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" lang="en" dir="ltr"> \ <head> \ <title>Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \ < 1286999346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, one is x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, the other ones are x86_64-linux-gnu < 1286999350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/ -O - | head < 1286999352 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ \ \ Wikipedia, den fria encyklopedin \ < 1286999357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool. < 1286999409 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nice coincidence, head getting (most of) < 1286999416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not most of :P < 1286999421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot in . < 1286999423 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1286999468 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run curl http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/ | head < 1286999470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's the download-this command again? < 1286999471 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286999476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no curl I presume < 1286999488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it seems Mandriva is the only distro with actual multi-arch support. < 1286999488 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, `fetch maybe < 1286999491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gag. < 1286999495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: KITTEN < 1286999507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, mandriva is in all other aspects not a sane choice < 1286999518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Quite right. < 1286999526 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty neat to have all architectures' packages available and installable < 1286999529 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also I'm surprised it supports it if other RPM based distros don't < 1286999545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, that's the thing; there isn't one pakage per architecture. < 1286999553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, mostly useful for ones you can run, for cross compiling it is a bit more work < 1286999554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's "newlib" and if it supports the given architecture, good for you. < 1286999564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, source based distro? < 1286999566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It will treat it all as cross-compilation. < 1286999573 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is this source-based? < 1286999580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just with the knowledge that "gcc -m32" is a valid 32-bit cross-compiler on 64-bit. < 1286999583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ever done a canadian cross? < 1286999589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: olsner: Not source-based. < 1286999598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you will be able to build-and-install a package with one command. < 1286999603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really want to for some reason. < 1286999611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: RPM itself actually has support for multiple ABIs. No other distro *actually uses it*. < 1286999616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, ever done a canadian cross? < 1286999618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Thank god. < 1286999619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh < 1286999627 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1286999646 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canadian cross = just don't go there. < 1286999666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically 32-bit and 64-bit support will just work... I'll have to tell the package manager about cross-compilers for --arch=arm on x86 or something, but that's not so difficult. < 1286999668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I heard someone cross compiling gdb on OS X to run on linux (the resulting gdb binary that is). Why? Because it had to target debugging OS X. Remote kernel debugging. < 1286999671 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross-compiling a cross-compiler? what's so hard about that? :D < 1286999674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean... < 1286999676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didn't want to compile on linux < 1286999684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it has to do is install the relevant cross-compiler. < 1286999691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to that, a canadian cross seems like a stroll in the park! < 1286999697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There probably won't be one package per host and target architecture.) < 1286999710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Instead, a cross-compiling gcc or whatever will be a single metapackage, taking host and target as argument/options.) < 1286999713 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There effectively is no anything-to-OS-X cross-compiler, so that's unsurprising. < 1286999716 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you do canadian cross of the compiler, you'll probably want to do it of the rest of the toolchain too, including gdb < 1286999738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://pastie.org/pastes/1218858/text?key=rmrta4udnevkdlwt0vgxg < 1286999742 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-10-13 18:55:36 URL:http://pastie.org/pastes/1218858/text?key=rmrta4udnevkdlwt0vgxg [1486/1486] -> "text?key=rmrta4udnevkdlwt0vgxg" [1] < 1286999743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, actually the guy got the cross compiling to OS X to kind of work, but not for gdb. < 1286999750 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the osx-linux-osx gdb thing would pretty much be included in the work for the canadian cross < 1286999751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1286999755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually doesn't work without `run < 1286999760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm "text?key=rmrta4udnevkdlwt0vgxg" < 1286999763 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286999774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wtf < 1286999774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, as in, he successfully cross compiled "hell of a world" as a test (he refused to use "hello world" after all he had to go through to make it work) < 1286999779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's html < 1286999779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1286999782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :&prop < 1286999784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :turned into alpha < 1286999785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1286999786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no not alpha < 1286999789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proportional-to < 1286999913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://pastie.org/pastes/1218882/text?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog < 1286999915 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-10-13 18:58:29 URL:http://pastie.org/pastes/1218882/text?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog [1553/1553] -> "text?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog" [1] < 1286999919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv text?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog bin/wl < 1286999924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/wl < 1286999924 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286999929 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286999934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl sv sill < 1286999941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1286999942 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286999943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I downloaded the text < 1286999948 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if kitten is netbsd-based, will the freebsd opera builds work? < 1286999956 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1286999960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: maybe. who knows? if not, try the linux emulation ;) < 1286999965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://pastie.org/pastes/1218882/download?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog < 1286999968 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-10-13 18:59:22 URL:http://pastie.org/pastes/1218882/download?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog [1124/1124] -> "download?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog" [1] < 1286999981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat download?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog >bin/wl; rm download?key=1grvzo3sho5cexf4rrmog < 1286999988 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1286999990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl sv sill < 1286999993 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1287000000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wl 'sv sill' 2>&1 < 1287000004 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/tmp/hackenv.13346/bin/wl", line 5, in \ import json \ ImportError: No module named json < 1287000011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python --version < 1287000013 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1287000017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -V < 1287000019 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1287000022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -V 2>&1 < 1287000024 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.5.5 < 1287000027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 2.6 plz < 1287000042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, will kitten still run on toasters? < 1287000052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. If your toaster can run X11. < 1287000060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, so X11 isn't required, but still.) < 1287000074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah. Will it be officially supported? < 1287000087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, if your toaster has a standard PC inside. < 1287000098 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ouch. That is not likely < 1287000108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither is your toaster having any kind of computer inside :) < 1287000125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well of course, but I meant, even ATX-mini is a bit large :P < 1287000127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OTOH, all brands of coffee maker will be supported. < 1287000139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully I will support RFC2324. < 1287000156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, RFC2324 is sucky. It isn't even REST! < 1287000171 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah nice, I have one here that is completely devoid of anything like an integrated circuit < 1287000189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I redefine "coffee maker" to mean "coffee maker with a computer hooked up to it". < 1287000192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a plain old electrical coffee maker, so simple inside that even your grandmum could understand it :P < 1287000206 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's all this about toasting kittens? < 1287000206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and that computer must be a PC? :D < 1287000219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ...you did that intentionally right? < 1287000229 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toasted kittens? NEVER! < 1287000243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wow, RFC2324 is sucky. It isn't even REST! <-- the cofee makers never rest! < 1287000300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias coffee="curl -d '' http://kitchenpc:999/brew" < 1287000303 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How about 2.7 < 1287000307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BTW, one of the major reasons to actually have per-ABI directories is so that you actually have the flexibility to do something like install x86 programs on ARM and have them "just work" with qemu (and Linux's arbitrary ABI support). < 1287000318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias coffee-status="curl -q http://kitchenpc:999/status" < 1287000319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, um that should be the BREW method :P < 1287000320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ coffee < 1287000324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ coffee-status < 1287000325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO COFFEE YET < 1287000330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee; coffee < 1287000342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLOOD < 1287000350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, a flood of coffee) < 1287000352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, this is HTCPCPCP < 1287000361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol Crappy. Perfect! < 1287000366 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes indeed! it flooded your kitchen with cofee < 1287000369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee < 1287000369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the RESTful alternatiev to HTCPCP. < 1287000395 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh, "BREW method" ... don't write brew with all-caps or I'll be reminded of Binary Runtime Environment for Wireless :/ < 1287000415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hungarian coffee < 1287000415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what was binary runtime environment for wireless? < 1287000423 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREW < 1287000428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can apt upgrade the stuff inside, right? < 1287000433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Plz just upgrade Python to 2.6 < 1287000433 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1287000439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But I can install from source. < 1287000443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay... well... do that please :P < 1287000448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.5.5 is ancientish. < 1287000451 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why 2.6 and not 2.7? < 1287000459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sure, 2.7. < 1287000462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian is just ancient. < 1287000466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I didn't think it'd have 2.7. < 1287000468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH SNAP < 1287000481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worse yet, HackBot is on Debian Lenny. < 1287000484 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why it has 2.5 < 1287000510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, is lenny not like previous stable? < 1287000511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they promise to start upgrading regularly? < 1287000512 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BREW :( < 1287000515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: current stable < 1287000519 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287000520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's had point-releases < 1287000522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fuck that shit < 1287000529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Get on to fucking that shit, stat. < 1287000538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway, not hamm? < 1287000541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which was previous stable? There was something in between woody and lenny right? < 1287000554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I mean, ideally buzz of course, but hamm at the very least. < 1287000557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not python 3 btw? < 1287000570 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Potato < 1287000571 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I used potato once :P < 1287000573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Python 3 is completely useless as it has approximately 0 library support and approximately 0 things written in it. < 1287000579 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone want to hear a TERRIBLE math class homework question? < 1287000581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Potato is .2 versions newer than hamm! Can't have that. < 1287000604 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@xdsl-83-150-123-242.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1287000606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ALWAYS < 1287000606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, what will Debian do when they run out of Toy Story characters? < 1287000611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start naming them after the individual soldiers? < 1287000621 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which of the following are continuous functions? (Select all that apply.) < 1287000624 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Use Toy Story {2,3} characters, presumably. < 1287000630 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 The temperature at a specific location as a function of time. 2 The temperature at a specific time as a function of the distance due west from New York City. 3 The altitude above < 1287000632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And then? :P < 1287000634 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sea level as a function of the distance due west from New York City. 4 The cost of a taxi ride as a function of the distance traveled. 5 The current in the circuit for the lights in a < 1287000638 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : room as a function of time. < 1287000647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Even that plan has... flaws. < 1287000653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Boy, I can't wait for Debian barbie!" < 1287000658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, any other ones? < 1287000660 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say that :P < 1287000661 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, or was that all? < 1287000666 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht's it < 1287000668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/multiarch/ Oh, here's a thought on how to do multiarch "right". < 1287000673 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I preordered the Barbie Computer Engineer :P < 1287000691 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, well I don't know about taxi, but all the other ones are discrete, due to quantum mechanics < 1287000698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian lotsohugginbear < 1287000698 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my best guess at reading the asker's mind says "the first three" while the actual correct answer i believe to be "none of the above" < 1287000706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: reading < 1287000720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Yes yes, it'd just be lotso, shut up.) < 1287000731 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, the problem is compounded by not knowing whether the asker wants time zones to be taken into account in number 2. < 1287000742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, well, it looks relatively good, except: < 1287000755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The -os prefix is stupid, Kitten is not going to run on the same FS as any other OS. < 1287000767 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe ... JUST MAYBE ... at some point they'll come to their senses and use numbers. < 1287000768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, anyway, current in a circuit might be continuous if there is a dimmer connected (well not really due to quantum mechanics9 < 1287000769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And /*/foo directories are silly and /foo/* is a far better structure for things like that. < 1287000772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/9/)/ < 1287000793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian stretch < 1287000795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian chunk < 1287000796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But you might want to support another OS's ABI someday. < 1287000799 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: ignoring quantum mechanical effects, 5 would be continuous with or without a dimmer. < 1287000801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian chattertelephone < 1287000806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian jackinthebox < 1287000812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian pricklepants < 1287000821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("What are you running?" "Debian pricklepants.") < 1287000822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, well yes, since current doesn't change instantly < 1287000828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, okay, NetBSD does support Linux emulation. < 1287000831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BUT STILL < 1287000834 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suspect the asker expects to also ignore the latency in change of current in a wire < 1287000840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian totoro (I <3 THAT CAMEO FOREVER) < 1287000841 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, so why not write a proper answer to it! < 1287000849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<3 <3 <3) < 1287000855 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just use it so that you can have multiple kernel ABIs "just work". < 1287000861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MAYBE < 1287000872 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not having to change things in the future is GOOD. < 1287000878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'LL THINK ABOUT IT < 1287000879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, surely you can't get in trouble from writing a paragraph answering it properly < 1287000890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh man Debian zurg. < 1287000895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That had better be the best release EVER. < 1287000910 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not my homework. i have no need to. i just wanted to post its awfulness here so that i could say that the person whose homework it is, after getting a wave of complaints that the question is ambiguous, said "i'll go ask somewhere where people will actually want to help me." < 1287000914 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They can use that as a transitionary release by spelling it both "zurg" and "zerg" < 1287000922 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then they can have Debian Protoss and Debian Terran < 1287000927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia, well I don't know about taxi, but all the other ones are discrete, due to quantum mechanics ;; oh come on < 1287000929 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly that doesn't get them too much farther ... < 1287000937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, okay then the person who asked for help is stupid too < 1287000939 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Unit names. < 1287000945 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PERFECTION < 1287000947 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: jexactly < 1287000951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wasn't it obvious it was a joke? < 1287000966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, because it wasn't funny :P < 1287000986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wait. With Totoro they can "reasonably" claim that My Neighbour Totoro took place entirely within the Toy Story universe. < 1287001002 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay, lets rephrase that: wasn't it obvious it couldn't have been meant to be taken seriously? < 1287001002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm talkin' Debian catbus here. < 1287001002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Alternately, they could *commission* more Toy Story films just to have more namespace. < 1287001006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :P < 1287001006 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i also stated that the correct answer would be "none of the above" due to the discrete nature of the universe. want to bitch me out for pedanticism too? < 1287001009 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There ya go, lots of new names. < 1287001012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YES < 1287001012 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1287001014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes < 1287001026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Debian catbus. < 1287001034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No OS can ever possibly hope to live up to that name. < 1287001036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Toy Story 4: Debian Versioning" < 1287001048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1287001072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But Disney/Pixar are jerks, so they give all the characters names in Klingon. < 1287001077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or numbers. < 1287001087 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, I'm 4.7 < 1287001095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian Qapla' < 1287001098 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Debian wouldn't use the number-names in order. < 1287001107 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd have Debian 5.5, then Debian 4.7, then Debian 8.2 < 1287001112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Debian 8 "4.7" < 1287001117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*8.0 < 1287001120 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly :P < 1287001144 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe Debian 8.0 "Four Point Seven" < 1287001149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be quite fun < 1287001166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1287001171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, the Tux would have to be a character in Toy Story 4: Debian Versioning. < 1287001173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no the < 1287001184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With his friend, Debian < 1287001189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian 12.0 debian < 1287001194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they could reuse the cast from previous movies in the newly commissioned one. That would be even more jerky < 1287001206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deb http://http.us.debian/org/debian debian main < 1287001242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh and of course the Gnu gnu, just to irritate everyone but FSF. Oh wait, they would probably irritated too, since that is the natural state of them. < 1287001267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian 13.0 "gnu" < 1287001275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have rms appear as the main antagonist < 1287001277 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have the cast be: woody, buzz, bo peep, the main bug from bug's life, the little boy from Up, Mike Waczowski, and Tux < 1287001288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they won't use outright evil characters for release names will they :( < 1287001298 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. Debian GNU/Linux 12.0 "gnu" < 1287001298 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287001299 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sid < 1287001310 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287001334 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287001340 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian 14.0 "Linux linux" < 1287001342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, sid is always fixed to unstable though afaik < 1287001344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...is the unstable release. < 1287001350 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, are the debian releases named after toy story characters? < 1287001353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll never codename experimental because that's giving it too much legitimacy :P < 1287001356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yeees... < 1287001357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And an outright evil character. < 1287001360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, .... yes < 1287001364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, or actually no < 1287001367 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1287001367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it is the other way around < 1287001378 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1287001382 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a coincidence! < 1287001384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, Toy story characters are named after Debian releases < 1287001393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sid is never released. < 1287001394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's not a release. < 1287001431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, experimental, is that like unstable, just more so? < 1287001438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the next release codename is actually coming from Toy Story 2. < 1287001442 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wheezy". < 1287001459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm when did they run out of Toy Story characters? < 1287001463 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or when are they going to maybe < 1287001471 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Staging area for things that have yet to hit unstable. < 1287001477 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, heh < 1287001480 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are plenty of characters left < 1287001499 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would definitely use Debian T-Rex < 1287001507 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what'll happen with Ubuntu. < 1287001514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, hm when did they run out of Toy Story characters? < 1287001515 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in what sense? < 1287001517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll be fine for years. < 1287001524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1287001530 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will start over from the beginning of the alphabet iirc < 1287001530 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they have a release once every two years or so :P < 1287001531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: when ubuntu run out of alphabet < 1287001536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: twice a year < 1287001536 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1287001537 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1287001547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in something like 2017, OH GOD < 1287001552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zygotic Zebra will come out < 1287001569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zygotic. Wow. < 1287001570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then... THEN WHAT < 1287001578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, even I'm amazed at how awesome that was. < 1287001579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then Amorphous Aardvark. They have yet to use A. < 1287001582 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they wouldn't use zygotic < 1287001588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up. < 1287001594 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, they will just continue incrementing the unicode code point < 1287001596 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zany maybe < 1287001598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Truth < 1287001601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You are boring < 1287001605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What letter did they start on? < 1287001606 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when that runs out we are probably not using *nix based systems any more < 1287001607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... < 1287001608 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, more likely, zippy, "CAUSE ITS FAST LOL" < 1287001612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They only started the alphabetical thing recently. < 1287001614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well "recently" < 1287001618 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: W, then H, then B, then they went alphabetical. < 1287001620 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287001623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W, H, B, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N is planned. < 1287001636 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1287001647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they have two Hs. Heh. < 1287001650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which one was the first H? < 1287001652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they have A, B and C after 2017. < 1287001656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They reüsed H. Darnit. < 1287001656 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so next would be Þ < 1287001658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second would be hedgehog < 1287001658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 2018/2019. < 1287001659 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something hippo < 1287001662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hoary Hedgehog < 1287001665 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1287001669 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was that not the second one? < 1287001671 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Ð < 1287001682 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second was hardy heron < 1287001684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1287001686 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287001689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no it wasn't < 1287001692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardy heron was 8.04 < 1287001694 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then Ƿ < 1287001696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoary hedgehog was 5.04 < 1287001698 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: second h < 1287001701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1287001704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant < 1287001705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second ubuntu < 1287001707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was hoary) < 1287001710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287001727 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on the other hand, think of a suitable name starting with c < 1287001729 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't < 1287001730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway after Cashmere Civet they'll have run out. < 1287001742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, best I managed was "chaotic camel" < 1287001745 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Cheshire Cat < 1287001748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does not sound very good < 1287001751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And move to Toy Story characters. < 1287001753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then... < 1287001755 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a whole list of planned future names for ubuntu versions already...put your suggestions there < 1287001761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Cheshire is not an adjective < 1287001764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abrasive Ab... < 1287001764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ab... < 1287001766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... < 1287001774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, must it be first *two* letters? < 1287001779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You fail < 1287001783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes it is. "Of or relating to Cheshire." < 1287001785 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Abalone < 1287001788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh hah < 1287001798 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Have rms appear as the main antagonist <-- this made me think of the bathtub monster from Rose is Rose (both eat toes) < 1287001800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they need to get aardvark < 1287001801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1287001813 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardvarklike Aardvark < 1287001817 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1287001819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, seriously, Ab < 1287001822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Animal starting with Ab < 1287001822 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aardvarkish Aardvark? < 1287001829 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: abalone IS animal < 1287001829 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "hardy heron", "karmic koala"? < 1287001832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anthropomorphic Aardvark. For the furries. < 1287001832 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You already said Abalone < 1287001838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is first one letter, not first two < 1287001839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes < 1287001841 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr < 1287001844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abrasive Aberlone < 1287001845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/you/quintopia/ >_> < 1287001847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Abalone < 1287001852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1287001855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right Vorpal < 1287001858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It has to be aa < 1287001878 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAaaaaaaaargh Aardvark < 1287001881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/Code/wl$ grep '^aa' /usr/share/dict/words < 1287001881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aardvark < 1287001881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aardvark's < 1287001881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aardvarks < 1287001884 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it rather be something like aardvarkomorphic anthrope to refer to furries? < 1287001885 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the pirates fed up with ubuntu < 1287001901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : you're right Vorpal <-- of course ;) < 1287001912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO IGNORING AA < 1287001917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: A'a Aarvdvark? < 1287001921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accurate Ac... < 1287001921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ac... < 1287001935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually Aardvark? < 1287001940 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/accurate/acerbic/ < 1287001945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acerbic Ac... < 1287001946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ac... < 1287001948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP < 1287001956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"andalism" -- first line of [[Abalone]] < 1287001977 0 :cpressey!~CPressey@12.116.117.150 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287001995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, jaunty was the only one I remember where it is actually first two letters that are the same. < 1287002011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But after Cashmere Civet, they've run out of alphabet. < 1287002018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we go to Aa, Ab, ..., Az, ..., Zz < 1287002021 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accidental Acupuncturist < 1287002028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THAT IS NOT AN ANIMAL < 1287002028 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, an acupuncturist is an animal. < 1287002032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so they keep incrementing the unicode codepoint I told you! < 1287002033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287002038 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1287002048 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acanthocephelan ftw! < 1287002050 0 :tombom!tombom@86.25.51.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287002050 0 :tombom!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1287002050 0 :tombom!tombom@wikipedia/Tombomp JOIN :#esoteric < 1287002053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So... { < 1287002057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{eric {gne < 1287002061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they need to get something starting with the del char into the dictionary quickly < 1287002063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287002064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The famous {gne animal. < 1287002074 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed! < 1287002087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait for いたい いぬ (itai inu). < 1287002094 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait til Gnaught Gnu comes out. < 1287002104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, once they reach the Chinese letters it will be easy < 1287002104 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Gnaughty < 1287002123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghastly Gnu < 1287002126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, which one was I? < 1287002129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1287002134 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnawing Gnu. < 1287002135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: intrepid ibex < 1287002137 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287002153 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what was F? < 1287002157 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what was E? < 1287002158 0 :cpressey_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1287002164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Falcon < 1287002174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I swear they pick intentionally obscure adjectives. Okay, lucid wasn't, but many other ones were < 1287002175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erect Ermine < 1287002188 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking Falcon, how does that work? < 1287002199 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: have you a cloaca? < 1287002208 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By the principle of the Multiparadigm clusterfuck, apparently.) < 1287002221 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: haven't checked recently < 1287002222 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wordnet says: http://p.zem.fi/ab-animals -- okay, so it counts pretty much anything that's alive by any definition, but... < 1287002239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Abortus? < 1287002244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the ... result of an abortion? < 1287002250 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1287002254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: THAT'S NOT ALIVE < 1287002266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, http://p.zem.fi/b5og you see. < 1287002269 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accredited Achatellinus < 1287002273 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you can do it with one hand, while typing < 1287002274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amiable Abortus < 1287002322 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, there's two quite viable ab-animals there: < 1287002327 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. abalone, ear-shell -- (any of various large edible marine gastropods of the genus Haliotis having an ear-shaped shell with pearly interior) < 1287002328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. abrocome, chinchilla rat, rat chinchilla -- (ratlike rodent with soft fur and large ears of the Andes) < 1287002331 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do we get to Augmented Australopithecine? < 1287002338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Already said abalone. < 1287002348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Ages away" < 1287002369 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or are WE the Augmented Australopithecine? < 1287002372 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oooooh) < 1287002374 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Aaaaah) < 1287002378 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abortus isn't animal, it's a murdered human! < 1287002378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What # is u in the alphabet? < 1287002392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Right next to me.") < 1287002406 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? < 1287002412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcdefghijklmnopqrstu < 1287002413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21 < 1287002413 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A, B, C, D, E, F, G < 1287002424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Augmented Australopithecine is in about 2039. < 1287002425 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P < 1287002425 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Q, R, S < 1287002427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: T, _U_ < 1287002427 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do re mi fa so la ti do < 1287002437 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axiomatic Axolotl < 1287002438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :M=Math;C=12;f=[];R=[];A='charCodeAt';S='slice';for(P=0;P<96;){k="/SN;__/NK;OL/QN;__/OL;NK4L@@_C4_G@OL4SO@__4QN@OL3NB?_G3_K?OL/QN;__/SK;__4OL@__4LC@_G4LC@_G4_C@_G"[A](P);D="\0\0";for(j=0;k<95&&j<1e4;){v=M.max(-1e4,M.min(1e4,1e6*M.sin(j*M.pow(2,k/C)/695)))/M.exp(j++/5e3);D+=String.fromCharCode(v&255,v>>8&255)}R[P++]=new Audio("data:audio/wav;base64,UklGRgAAAABXQVZFZm10IBAAAAABAAEAwF0AAIC7AAACABAAZGF0YSBO < 1287002439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"+btoa(D))}for(e=i=252;i--;)f[i]=i%C&&i<240?(i+1)%C?r=0:'█
':'█';t=p=4;function d(c){for(q=p+[13,14,26,25][r%4],i=1;i<99;q+=((i*=2)==8?[9,-37,-9,37]:[1,C,-1,-C])[r%4])if('36cqrtx'[A](t)&i)if(-c){if(f[q])return 1}else f[q]=c}function m(e){Q=[-1,0,1,C][e?e.keyCode-37:3]||0;d(0);p+=Q;r+=!Q;s=d(1);if(s)p-=Q,r-=!Q;d('▒');document.body.innerHTML=f.join('').replace(/0/g,'░');return s}onkeydown=m;o= < 1287002439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :function(){P=P%96;for(_ in[1,2,3])R[P++].play();if(m()){t=~~(7*M.random()),p=r=4;e=d(1)?1e9:e;for(y=0;y<240;)if(f[S](y,y+=C).join().indexOf('0')<0)f=f[S](0,C).concat(f[S](0,y-C),f[S](y))}setTimeout(o,e*=0.997)};o() < 1287002442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Tetris, with music. < 1287002443 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do re mi fa sol la si do < 1287002453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://js1k.com/demo/730 < 1287002457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fis@eris:~$ wn animal -treen < 1287002457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyponyms of noun animal < 1287002457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Search too large. Narrow search and try again... < 1287002457 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What a silly limited thing.) < 1287002460 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ? < 1287002489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloril, lang? < 1287002493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lang? < 1287002499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: javascript < 1287002503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://js1k.com/demo/730 in firefox < 1287002505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no music in chrome) < 1287002530 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the music actually coded into the program? < 1287002534 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Just correcting your solfege :P < 1287002544 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to love the data:audio/wav dynamic audio-synthery. < 1287002547 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you pinged me earlier < 1287002548 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1287002552 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how goes wa? < 1287002553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: did I? < 1287002563 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's ti in some languages < 1287002564 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:08 < elliott> coppro: Get on to fucking that shit, stat. < 1287002564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1287002566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's also computed. < 1287002567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ah yes. < 1287002577 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:08 < elliott> coppro: Get on to fucking that shit, stat. < 1287002577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you are the coprophiliac < 1287002581 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1287002594 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: LOSER LANGUAGES. < 1287002594 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tetris is popular as a programming project precisely because it can be written with so little code < 1287002604 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it the actual Tetris music? < 1287002607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1287002609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just load the page! < 1287002631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o < 1287002635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Oh come on, Tetris with speeding-up and *the original Tetris theme generated in wav* in 1024 bytes is pretty damn impressive. < 1287002636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://js1k.com/demo/730 < 1287002681 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the first 8 bars or so, not the full piece. < 1287002690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh shut up < 1287002691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awesome < 1287002724 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking they had some awesome procedural generator specially configured to belt out the full theme. < 1287002726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT HAPPY < 1287002738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IT'S AWESOME GO TO HELL < 1287002755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it's approximately the whole theme. < 1287002759 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT NOT AS AWESOME AS IT COULD BE < 1287002766 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm not hearing the music in firefox, and also, this version doesn't seem to let me hold down a key to move the block a long distance < 1287002767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's enough to sing I Am The Man... to it. < 1287002773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: which Fx version? < 1287002775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs a decent pair of speakers, but is cheap. Dammit. < 1287002780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, holding down helps < 1287002781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for speed < 1287002787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i don't think you realise just how little code 1k is < 1287002795 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.6.3 < 1287002798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How goes 2.6? < 1287002803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: OS? < 1287002813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on 3.6.10, so, try upgrading. < 1287002818 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Apparently it's in the repos, but since I hadn't updated Hackbot's chroot in roughly all eternity, it's not installed :P < 1287002828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I thought you said you were gonna source it. < 1287002838 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was, until I noticed it was in the repo anyway. < 1287002843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So how's that going < 1287002848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still upgrading. < 1287002856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1287002861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it breaks everything. < 1287002865 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1287002870 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But *eh*, these things happen. < 1287002889 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've recreated the Hcakiki chroot three times after breaking it horribly by trying to do stupid things. < 1287002893 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do the same with Hackbot. < 1287002895 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Hackiki < 1287002897 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HackBot < 1287002936 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, where is my preview of the next block >: < 1287002961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Man up. < 1287002974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes HASKTRIS < 1287002979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait. < 1287002980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazytris < 1287002987 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then compile that to <1K of JS. < 1287002991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: X-D No. < 1287003017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell randomIO < 1287003032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :| < 1287003042 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do not like you, elliott. < 1287003064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do not like green eggs and ham, either. < 1287003072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like them, Ego I am. < 1287003092 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do not like them on the 'net. < 1287003108 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't rhyme *shrugs* < 1287003144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell 42 < 1287003156 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1287003206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an unexpected result! < 1287003228 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess it is too lazy to compute the question < 1287003245 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287003267 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lazytris the block isn't actually drawn until it hits bottom. you better _pray_ you hit the right buttons. < 1287003313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, actually, the blocks doesn't hit the bottom until you lose. < 1287003316 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/imgs/rc.png Images I've left floating around codu.org that are totally self-descriptive. < 1287003339 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wicked < 1287003344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, hah < 1287003353 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the nineties and there is time for JSKlax? < 1287003381 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, any idea what rc.png actually is. I'm genuinely interested < 1287003388 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even the foggiest bit of a clue. < 1287003403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, to tell the truth it looks pretty random. Which rules out a lot of stuff rc could stand for < 1287003408 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly something with poorly-correlated axes. < 1287003421 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :race condition! < 1287003429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what about timestamp on file? < 1287003429 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random Crap < 1287003435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, maybe you could grep logs < 1287003444 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ever mentioned on irc < 1287003447 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it was #esoteric-related. < 1287003453 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or otherwise IRC-related < 1287003453 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION greps gregor's logs < 1287003460 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1287003472 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I hope you're using a -E! < 1287003474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is the nineties and there is time for JSKlax? ;; wat < 1287003482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right klax. < 1287003518 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :klix klax < 1287003541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sequence.repeat$randomIO < 1287003542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make this work plz < 1287003548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287003590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a chance < 1287003622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha randomRs < 1287003622 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try randoms<$>newStdGen instead < 1287003634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right :p < 1287003666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Random> g<-newStdGen < 1287003669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Random> randoms g :: [Int] < 1287003669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ < 1287003706 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1287003749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whoever writes copy for the Xubuntu installer should be shot. < 1287003755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What does it say? < 1287003758 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run top -l 1 < 1287003770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: erm did it hang at [ ? < 1287003773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1287003774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's got grammatical and spelling errors. < 1287003779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do quote. < 1287003792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I remember most strong was "linux". < 1287003793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1287003795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, lower-case. < 1287003799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (Xubuntu doesn't get nearly as much love as (K)ubuntu) < 1287003829 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*aptosid*cough* < 1287003832 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1287003846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What differences does it have from Sid? < 1287003852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: More ricer. < 1287003858 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just bugfixes. < 1287003859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's sid for people who think that pre-installed KDE is a grand idea. < 1287003866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, the LiveCD uses KDE.) < 1287003874 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The XFCE live CD uses XFCE. < 1287003888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, sid uses whatever the fuck you install :P < 1287003902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I would be surprised if the xfce livecd used, say, fluxbox < 1287003904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1287003905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is basically no reason not to just use testing anyway. < 1287003924 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: aptosid is more up-to-date than testing, at the cost of being less stable. < 1287003932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing is not exactly out-of-date. < 1287003940 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Depends on the packages. < 1287003944 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *package < 1287003955 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Some packages are basically right up to latest, others trail behind. < 1287003955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing's usually pretty up-to-date. It only ceases to be even vaguely so when they do a freeze for a new stable. < 1287003970 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yeah, the freezes are annoying to) < 1287003981 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!haskell import System.Random; main = print.take 10.randoms=<_< < 1287004018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/Code/lazytris$ runhaskell lazytris.hs | head -c 50 < 1287004018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[-7911342775086485719,-3419649560986927097,-704380lazytris.hs: : commitAndReleaseBuffer: resource vanished (Broken pipe) < 1287004046 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is hard: http://js1k.com/demo/823 (my high score after 4 plays is only 11!) < 1287004053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not surprised at the broken pipe < 1287004060 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://sibeli.us/ <-- this game is hard < 1287004065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yikes < 1287004065 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not 1K JS though) < 1287004067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I meant the integers. < 1287004075 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they *are* integers < 1287004081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes they are. < 1287004088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That game makes you listen to Sibelius, though. < 1287004090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so just do abs() or something if that is the issue < 1287004100 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is nasty < 1287004117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: s/makes/allows/ < 1287004137 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what is the goal of the game? < 1287004139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or use randomRs. < 1287004147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Welcome to Sibeli.us! This is a web based version of that insipid game-music genre that's popular lately, with a twist: The music is Sibelius' Finlandia. Sound easy? Feel free to try! Use the keys '1', '2', '3' and '4' or 's', 'w', 'b' and 'p' when an action hits the relevant letter (and music). And have fun! < 1287004164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It needs to penalise you for pressing swbp when there's nothing there. < 1287004169 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It does. < 1287004176 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It just doesn't let your score go below 0. < 1287004177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Doesn't go negative though. < 1287004179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAME < 1287004191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1287004194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mixed up people < 1287004196 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : this game is hard: http://js1k.com/demo/823 (my high score after 4 plays is only 11!) < 1287004199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to go for minimum possible score! < 1287004199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the one I meant < 1287004204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the goal of that game < 1287004204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Get the blue. < 1287004206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1287004208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the orange < 1287004209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are blue < 1287004210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287004215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grey is dead < 1287004219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timer runs out is dead < 1287004227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1287004249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://sibeli.us/ <-- "meh, flash" < 1287004256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, I'm no sibelius fan < 1287004277 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Flash only for audio. < 1287004283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh? < 1287004285 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And don't say HTML5. < 1287004290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, don't you um need that for the page? < 1287004292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML5 < 1287004292 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you say HTML5, I punch you in the face. < 1287004295 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was the installer for the last LTS version. Why would I want *that*? < 1287004300 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that game would be ridiculously easy if it were smooth and synced with the music properly < 1287004304 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION punches elliott in the face. < 1287004308 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Windows? < 1287004315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's punch-worthy because it works! < 1287004318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREGORLOGIC < 1287004331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess Gregor supports IE. < 1287004341 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: no. it would probably work in windows. adobe supports windows... < 1287004348 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No, it's SHIT in Windows. < 1287004352 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's much better everywhere else. < 1287004360 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall attempt it in chrome < 1287004392 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/chrome/chromium/ < 1287004393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: It's punch-worthy because it works! <-- he thinks it doesn't < 1287004396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for zee < 1287004411 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work for ZEE for different reasons ... < 1287004426 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except for zee it works nicely < 1287004428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with html5 < 1287004434 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work for Sibeli.us because no implementation communicates time very well. < 1287004445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mom doesn't communism. < 1287004447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forces elliott to use gopher5 < 1287004453 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ZEE HTML5 can't loop properly. Neither can Flash, but it's a modicum better. < 1287004475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why not just use jsmips + proper code to loop! ;) < 1287004490 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because HTML5 doesn't support synth, only feeding it audio files. < 1287004496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Random < 1287004496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=do{g<-newStdGen;let b=randomRs(0,6)g::[Int]} < 1287004497 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1287004499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The beginnings of LAZYTRIS < 1287004509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no streams? < 1287004521 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Honestly, if HTML5 Audio had a function to just hand it bits to spit out, that would be ideal. < 1287004527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: #whatwg < 1287004539 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It can do streams (sometimes), but that's a waste of bandwidth if you're just looping. < 1287004539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, with streams you could do it properly server-side < 1287004547 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1287004549 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/igork/pluda/ < 1287004561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, maybe you need to do it locally instead of in the browser then < 1287004567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, using sdl or such < 1287004576 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The SDL version of ZEE loops beautifully :P < 1287004584 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why I sort of don't care that the browser version is crapsiloo. < 1287004588 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh, you somehow combined sdl + js? < 1287004594 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup >:) < 1287004599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how < 1287004599 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/gjs/ < 1287004610 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manually is how :P < 1287004617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow to load < 1287004622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still waiting < 1287004628 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Codu is doing a system upgrade right now, yeeeesh < 1287004659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, timed out < 1287004671 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION projects hatred at Vorpal < 1287004676 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, why? < 1287004679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it works < 1287004689 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Codu is doing a system upgrade right now, yeeeesh < 1287004691 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatred: makes stuff work < 1287004699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287004710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I just updated you on the current situation < 1287004719 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!run wget http://everything | bzip2 < 1287004724 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME APPRISED. < 1287004734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: `run < 1287004740 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thank you. < 1287004742 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget http://everything | bzip2 < 1287004758 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BZh9rE8P < 1287004758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, IT WAS SO LITTLE. NOTHING TO THANK ME FOR. < 1287004766 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Gregor is all about red hats < 1287004773 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: CoooOOoooOOool < 1287004784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what js engine do you use? < 1287004785 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ooh, that's clever < 1287004787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in gjs < 1287004793 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Spidermonkey < 1287004798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: V8! < 1287004800 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, not v8? < 1287004800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets shot < 1287004804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1287004824 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a professional in the field of JavaScript behavior: Screw V8 :P < 1287004833 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, oh? fun < 1287004844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it is probably faster though < 1287004850 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be. < 1287004852 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undeniably. < 1287004855 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, V8 is broken? nice :D < 1287004860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: NO. < 1287004861 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1287004866 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't mean for that to be caps. < 1287004866 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No. < 1287004878 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But since all of my time is spent in SDL, that's irrelevant. < 1287004890 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah < 1287004892 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[from] whence Screw V8 then? < 1287004892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Gregor will bother qualifying his statements about v8 < 1287004940 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :V8 has great performance in a possibly-general-case-but-maybe-not-it's-never-really-been-quantified, and EXTREMELY bad performance in other cases. < 1287004971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With semantically-innocuous changes to JS code, I can make v8 balloon up 30x. < 1287004981 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't get SpiderMonkey to go more than 4x. < 1287004991 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@121-74-65-244.telstraclear.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1287004991 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1287004991 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1287004996 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a JS benchmark :D < 1287005006 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: See my upcoming PLDI paper (if it's accepted) < 1287005025 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, PLDI? < 1287005034 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://google.com/search?q=pldi < 1287005056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, pldi.net or the sigplan link? < 1287005056 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: runs smoother in chromium, but letters are still about a half second ahead of music. got a 362174 somehow < 1287005062 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The SIGPLAN link X_X < 1287005071 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those fast sections should have the letters moving faster :/ < 1287005072 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, there was also a stanford link < 1287005080 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: A half second? That's mega-screwy, something weird in your audio. < 1287005086 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's just a particular instance of the conference. < 1287005112 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sss.cs.purdue.edu/projects/dynjs/ looks like a good link < 1287005114 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, ah, sigplan is acm, meaning I should be able to get it through the university proxy if it is acccepted < 1287005179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You shoulda put up a paper online, changed one wording in one paragraph and then submitted it :P < 1287005181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ad-hoc open access < 1287005204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1287005205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did < 1287005212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fail indeed :P < 1287005212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... did you < 1287005214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is http://sss.cs.purdue.edu/projects/dynjs/ it? < 1287005235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is that TeX with Times? < 1287005243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY IS IT SLANTED < 1287005260 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, slanted, where? < 1287005263 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is LaTeX with SIGPLAN's instituted templates. < 1287005271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: zoom out and look < 1287005274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the text is slanted slightly < 1287005286 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it. Oh well < 1287005296 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think your brain is slanted slightly. < 1287005296 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, TeX with Comic Sans would have been worse anyway < 1287005323 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, at least it's not Word :P < 1287005329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my pdf reader does not list times as being embedded < 1287005342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless < 1287005345 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is txtt? < 1287005348 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important < 1287005354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is NumbusRomNo9L and such < 1287005370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numbus lol < 1287005373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thou failest < 1287005384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1287005387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nimbus < 1287005397 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I use qwerty yes :P < 1287005409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking FONTophiles < 1287005427 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor++ < 1287005437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as long as it isn't nubus I'm happy < 1287005437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? Nimbus is just an imitation of Times. < 1287005444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nubile Sans. < 1287005454 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287005457 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Times Sans < 1287005462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helvetica Serif < 1287005466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed! < 1287005469 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic Serif OH GOD WHY < 1287005477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.swiss-miss.com/2008/04/helvetica-serif.html < 1287005478 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287005484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Comic Antiqua! (spelling?) < 1287005587 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arial Tapered and Pointy < 1287005587 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1287005612 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1287005677 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I totally lied. < 1287005679 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /opt/python27/bin/python -c 'print "Hello"' < 1287005680 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1287005709 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, how did you lie? < 1287005723 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I said I was going to just install a newer system Python. But I did not :P < 1287005736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, so you compiled from source in the end? < 1287005741 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1287005749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Now replace the normal python with it :P < 1287005756 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not gonna happen. < 1287005759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1287005777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because that's part of the system, and since the upgrade went all kerplutz I've decided maybe I just want to leave that as-is. < 1287005797 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want /usr/bin/python2.7, that can be arranged. < 1287005804 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: Hi. < 1287005804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay, put /opt/python27/bin first in the PATH. < 1287005818 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that most certainly can be arranged. < 1287005823 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And should be) < 1287005846 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I had some fun after moving my system python to 2.7 < 1287005857 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not even that < 1287005876 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just putting a Python 2.7 called 'python' in my ~/bin which is on my path < 1287005897 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly #/usr/env/bin python has EXCITING NEW SEMANTICS < 1287005902 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*!# < 1287005909 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**#! < 1287005939 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which python < 1287005943 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/python27/bin/python < 1287005964 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Luckily, putting it in this PATH is more OK as it's only used for things within HackEgo :P < 1287005972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, new semantics? how so? < 1287005984 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm sorry to hear that. (ok, not really) < 1287005986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Suddenly, it pulls up the python in his ~ < 1287005997 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes that is obvious < 1287006004 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I meant, "it isn't like it went to python3" < 1287006010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so things should just continue to work < 1287006020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point releases can still break things sometimes. < 1287006024 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tell that to ubuntu system tools < 1287006041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, oh, hah < 1287006072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wl sv sill < 1287006075 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1287006081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wl 'sv sill' 2>&1 < 1287006085 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/tmp/hackenv.15489/bin/wl", line 37, in \ q = query(continue_id) \ File "/tmp/hackenv.15489/bin/wl", line 29, in query \ response = urllib2.urlopen(url).read() \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 126, in urlopen \ return _opener.open(url, < 1287006090 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we totally need #!/usr/bin/guess_format_and_interpret < 1287006129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We totally need an OS with sufficient metadata that the format of every file can be known. < 1287006141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I also totally need a pony. < 1287006165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wl 'sv sill' 2>&1 | tr -d '\n' < 1287006167 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): File "/tmp/hackenv.15552/bin/wl", line 37, in q = query(continue_id) File "/tmp/hackenv.15552/bin/wl", line 29, in query response = urllib2.urlopen(url).read() File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 126, in urlopen return _opener.open(url, data, timeout)AttributeError: < 1287006177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wl 'sv sill' 2>&1 | tr -d '\n' | tail -c +50 < 1287006180 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ckenv.15603/bin/wl", line 37, in q = query(continue_id) File "/tmp/hackenv.15603/bin/wl", line 29, in query response = urllib2.urlopen(url).read() File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 126, in urlopen return _opener.open(url, data, timeout)AttributeError: ProxyHandler instance has no attribute 'open' < 1287006188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll fix it later. < 1287006398 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCOVERY: Browser that supports HTML5 Audio + PCM .wav + data: URLs = do client-side loop unrolling! < 1287006398 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More like OBSERVATION) < 1287006497 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION huh?s < 1287006845 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To loop oggs in a web browser: 1) download ogg via XHR, 2) decompress ogg with JS code, 3) duplicate decompressed audio a bunch of times, 4) write that into a data: URL as a PCM .wav, 5) load that into HTML5 Audio < 1287006925 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads that < 1287006934 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only too bad you can't stream like that. < 1287007065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, what is it you actually do? < 1287007110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I must say. Xubuntu > Debian when it comes to "just works". < 1287007117 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a homeless, jobless layabout living off social security and drugs. < 1287007141 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1287007312 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do you and him actually hate each other, or is it just a joke? < 1287007334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we all hate each other here. especially you. < 1287007358 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope that cleared things up < 1287007358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? I only really hate sshc/ < 1287007376 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you oerjan, we don't hate each other! < 1287007392 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i hate people who cannot even follow our hate policy properly < 1287007399 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have now read your paper < 1287007470 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Congratulations on your literacy. < 1287007491 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :D I'm quite proud of it myself < 1287007519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is an ace at littering < 1287007553 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE HELL WHY IS FLASH IN XUBUNTU ACTUALLY USING CPU WELL < 1287007561 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS NOT RAPING MY CPU < 1287007569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLIKE ON REAL HARDWARE < 1287007592 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is virtually unheard of! < 1287007607 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's using like 30% CPU for Youtube. Note: Flash in Gentoo uses like 110% CPU. < 1287007624 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1287007626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Flash isn't that bad on my computer IIRC... < 1287007632 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java is the real criminal < 1287007656 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, java < 1287007727 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it occasionally. < 1287007753 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is alright, but surely not *applets*? < 1287007820 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that we're done hatin' on each other, anybody have an opinion on my crazy JS-data-URL-wtf plan? :P < 1287007896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Delicious. < 1287007942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now embed that in MIPS and we're all set < 1287007972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone tell me what cpressey actually does. < 1287007986 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Idonno, that's why I made up nonsense :P < 1287007995 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one but cpressey is privy to that information. < 1287008049 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you do, either... < 1287008070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor studies Ph.D.s < 1287008072 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even cpressey doesn't know, the nsa wipe his memory whenever he leaves and reinstate it when he comes back < 1287008080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey does Python < 1287008089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debbie does Dallas < 1287008107 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Though leaving him with an imprint that will lead him to have an inexplicable desire to come back the next day. < 1287008125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that part was obvious < 1287008141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, are you still an ex-mathematician? < 1287008149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesh < 1287008149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1287008151 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other cpressey probably thinks he's discussing esoteric knitting patterns all night < 1287008161 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way you can stop being an ex-anything is by becoming one again ... < 1287008195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That didn't work to get your ex-wife back now, did it? < 1287008213 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I became my wife. < 1287008234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinky. < 1287008235 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinky. < 1287008237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also illegal in 13 states. < 1287008240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: snap < 1287008277 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :crackle < 1287008291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push < 1287008296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so do you sit with a sign saying "will simplify for food"? < 1287008328 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, it's "will make incomprehensible for food" < 1287008475 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does: < 1287008479 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does" < 1287008486 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :**"does" < 1287008505 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the question? < 1287008513 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :< Phantom_Hoover> Someone tell me what cpressey actually does. < 1287008515 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rock < 1287008516 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1287008586 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're a musician? < 1287008601 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you mean what he does for a living: well, I know he complained about python in a work-related context. I think he works as a programmer. < 1287008684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor studies Ph.D.s < 1287008685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cpressey does Python < 1287008707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he studies people with Ph.D.? < 1287008712 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently. < 1287008714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :déjà dit < 1287008722 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phoetal Disease < 1287008723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, he studies Ph.D.s themselves. < 1287008723 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you haven't heard my MED songs! < 1287008733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *Phetal < 1287008736 0 :cpressey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: good band name. < 1287008737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foetus is a hypercorrection < 1287008753 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: nope! < 1287008754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah. The abstract Ph.D.s are quite tricky to study I heard. Takes a lot of skill. < 1287008767 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OE KAY < 1287008771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He studies applied Ph.D.s < 1287008785 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1287008850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1287008857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is indeed more tangible < 1287008861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : déjà dit < 1287008864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone appreciate this :( < 1287008868 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: With a fast enough Javascript engine, you could have a single