< 1288915264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288916505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" elliott, FWIW, someone has posted a reversible life rule to the rule table repository." <<< two-dimensional reversible CA? how is that interesting < 1288916536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do i misinterpret life rule < 1288917519 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288917532 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288917632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you don't misinterpret, presumably phanty means one that has close-to-life behaviour or ... something < 1288917640 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288917642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe one that uses colours to simulate reversibility on "regular" life or something < 1288917789 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1288917883 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i feel like i should know something about when that's possible < 1288918139 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://notalwaysright.com/ah-fathers-part-4/8117 < 1288918323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiNT < 1288919181 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288919525 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288921203 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1288921336 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#tweetyour16yearoldself Make plans for college. Learn to drive. Don't rely on dad's planning for either. < 1288921541 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1288923481 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288923489 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288923518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Goooo me! < 1288923525 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drivers license: 16 < 1288923530 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plans for college: Great success < 1288923550 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#tweetyour16yearoldself YOU'RE AWESOME! KEEP DOIN' WHAT YOU DO < 1288923555 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288923672 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't learned to drive < 1288925250 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1288925288 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1288925298 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Drivers license: 16 <-- I read that as "Driver licenses" XD < 1288925340 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, learning to drive isn't hard when you get the knack of it ;) < 1288925360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err get the hang of it < 1288925370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mixed up two idioms didn't I?) < 1288925378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bth are valid < 1288925386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288925395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, any news wrt. minecraft? < 1288925416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly buying tonight < 1288925428 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288925470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iirc it was all but one file in ~/.minecraft that had to be copied. The one file that shouldn't be copied had the saved username/passwd. < 1288925541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also building aqueducts and bridges in classic is fun < 1288925561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also there is a max altitude in classic at least < 1288925571 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I arranged for a jump from top to bottom < 1288925584 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't last nearly long enough < 1288925662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have fun, need to sleep now → < 1288925826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "knack of it" seems a tiny bit archaic, but it's entirely valid. < 1288926602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/electrical-brain-zap-boosts-maths-ability-2125389.html I was thinking how I'd like that, but then started thinking that my problem is ignorance, not lack of ability < 1288927757 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha... 'Maternal Intake of "Saturated Fat" Causes Liver Disease -- You Know, the Unsaturated Kind of Saturated Fat'. < 1288927782 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't know that unsaturated saturated fat exists... :-) < 1288928015 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-67-174-179-115.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288928110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1288928467 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I know. Trans fats are said to be equivalent to saturated fat, but aren't saturated, so I think unsaturated saturated fats really means trans fats. :-> < 1288928571 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1288928581 0 :You!~WHAT@75-174-219-194.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288928586 0 :You!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION have been disconnected from the server. Please reconnect. < 1288928606 0 :You!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest50789 < 1288928612 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1288928618 0 :Guest50789!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sasha < 1288928650 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad thing is < 1288928656 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that worked in another channel < 1288928749 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked so well < 1288928830 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teleanalysis has reached its bottom. If A is uncorrelated with B and B is correlated with C, A causes C (classic teleanalysis is if A is correlated with B and B is corrlated with C, then A causes C). < 1288928863 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sasha: it's best if you idle for a while < 1288928869 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do it right then, it's obvious < 1288928881 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Trans fats are not cis fats < 1288928886 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I did it right then < 1288928898 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's no such thing as an unsaturated saturated fat < 1288928903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and there's no such thing as an unsaturated saturated fat < 1288928904 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, all trans fats are unsaturated. :-) < 1288928905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Ilari knows that. < 1288928917 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sasha: no, I mean you join as You, then you wait for a long while, /then/ you inform people of their disconnection < 1288928924 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Heh < 1288928933 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the other channel, I did it as soon as I entered < 1288928943 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolled 5 or 6 people 5 or 6 times < 1288928947 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all noobs to IRC < 1288928951 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and there are also fats that have both cis and trans double bond (CLA). < 1288929066 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a bit of different animals than techno fats: IIRC, in one study, for normal (techno) trans fats, ratio of $SOMETHING_BAD between highest and lowest quitiles was 5, whereas it was 0.5 for CLA... < 1288929184 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, all studies of milkfat involving real markers (and not just notoriously unreliable dietary questionaries) say milk fat is healthy. < 1288929228 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Milk is tasty < 1288929247 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially whole milk... :-) < 1288929314 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and milk fat is also good for dissolving various useful compounds out of vegetables... :-) < 1288929469 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dietary questionaries are unreliable for three reasons: 1) They don't capture the diet well, 2) People have poor memory about what they have eaten (even recently), 3) Intentional distortion. < 1288929578 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be fun to first do a log of everything eaten for a week, then fill dietary questionare with that log as reference and then see the garbage that results... < 1288929643 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably do such a log from memory < 1288929653 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My diet doesn't vary as much as it possibly should < 1288929722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any justification for changing a diet day-to-day from a health point of view. < 1288929730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chocolate cheerios for breakfast sometimes, sometimes potato chips. Chicken sandwich with lettice and onions. Coca-Cola (not Diet). ~1 box of Pasta with Parmesan Cheese < 1288929731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's nutritious one twenty-four hour period it's nutritious the next... < 1288929755 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh... < 1288929767 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if one 24 hour period provides only some nutrients, but the next it's varied up, providing the rest? < 1288929778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl @ Ugh... < 1288929801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You are making Ilari cringe. < 1288929815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the sandwich is only on school days, Monday-Thursday < 1288929830 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works... Usual nutrion misinformation claims that one must get water-soluble vitamins every day. Defiency symptoms with those take at least weeks to appear... < 1288929849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I even *felt* the cringe over IRC. < 1288929861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounded like: "*cringe*". < 1288929861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Waitwaitwait. That's what you eat *each and every day*? < 1288929866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cringe* < 1288929883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :oerjan missing | *cringe* record: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288929890 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the potato chips are also only on school days. Often, on those days, they're instead of the cheerios < 1288929900 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soda is also only on school days < 1288929936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chips for breakfast. That's... Urgh. < 1288929974 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and they conviently don't mention that fat-soluble vitamins (including the extremely important vitamin D) *require* fat to be absorbed. < 1288930007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how Debian's xorg no longer ships with twm. < 1288930009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE HERETICS! < 1288930019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sudo aptitude install twm < 1288930021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better! < 1288930048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Modular X.org... < 1288930060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is evil and lacks twm purity. < 1288930064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next sentence? < 1288930067 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potato chips wouldn't be so bad (not that those would be good even then) if those used proper fats for cooking (instead of kinds of fats that are completely unsuitable for cooking). < 1288930075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doesn't have Twm by default. < 1288930079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is evil and lacks twm purity. < 1288930092 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Such fats being? < 1288930094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean, twm is modern! It supports the Debian menu! < 1288930109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Would it make you feel better to know that Gentoo's X.org meta package does include Twm? < 1288930116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, because that's Gentoo. < 1288930122 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because that meta package is "the entirety of X") < 1288930133 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coconut oil, palm oil, lard, ghee, tallow, ... Pick a favorite... < 1288930165 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whichever will cause me to gain weight without causing cardiac issues < 1288930167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I'd imagine ghee would give a quite interesting flavor to chips. Now I'm curious. < 1288930194 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some decades ago (before some front groups changed that), McDonalds used IIRC tallow for frying french fries... < 1288930218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because tallow makes them more delicious. < 1288930230 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, yes. < 1288930240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oclock(1) best program ever < 1288930251 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, vineagar makes them more delicious < 1288930260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) Misspelling! < 1288930265 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making ghee from butter is a simple process... < 1288930268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) "Let's just get rid of the fat and use vinegar instead." < 1288930282 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1288930298 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Wonder what would be health effects of high amounts of organic acids... < 1288930323 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than high amounts of HF < 1288930329 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HF? < 1288930332 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yeah. < 1288930345 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HF scares me. < 1288930351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HF? < 1288930357 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a chemical formula < 1288930360 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a surprisingly weak acid < 1288930370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was something more relevant :P < 1288930402 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, however, a powerful contact poison < 1288930409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "weak acid" is a classification, not an indicator of corrosiveness. < 1288930414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I just got a wonderful, wonderful idea. By the last NeXTSTEP release in 1995, it noy only ran on the 68k, but also SPARC, HP PA-RISC, and... x86. < 1288930416 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not as bad as dimethylmercury though. that shit is fucking scary) < 1288930420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What I'm saying is: Virtual machine. < 1288930428 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it isn't ClF3 (that thing ignites sand on contact, eats through asbestos bricks, ...) < 1288930431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's actually highly corrosive. < 1288930440 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, that's true < 1288930452 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but compared to other hydrohalogenic acids, it's a weakling < 1288930452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignites sand on contact -- I am having trouble thinking of a more awesome substance. < 1288930486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I may have just found an x86 NextStep ISO. Cough. < 1288930495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HF is toxic on contact. < 1288930502 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a drop of dimethylmercury on a latex glove is lethal < 1288930505 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a /dropd/ < 1288930506 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*drop < 1288930511 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a /glove/ < 1288930524 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1288930525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drink dimethylmercury for breakfast. < 1288930538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bcuz im fuckin awsum < 1288930555 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinky < 1288930556 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts planning elliott's funeral. < 1288930562 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy crap, ClF3 is powerful < 1288930568 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no ignition delay has ever been recorded" < 1288930569 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It doesn't burn you right away. It instead stops your heart. < 1288930571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ClF3 is just my lunch. < 1288930582 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CIF3 scares me even more. < 1288930615 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is also hypergolic with such things as cloth, wood, and test engineers, not to mention asbestos, sand, and water — with which it reacts explosively" < 1288930621 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's also FOOF. Explodes on contact with ice at -170 degC. < 1288930628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did You Know? There's aptitude-gtk. < 1288930664 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can't find much on CIF3 < 1288930675 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I don't even know if that compound could exist < 1288930688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The problem is, it's no good. :) < 1288930701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Fluorine makes a lot of unusual compounds. < 1288930714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What with being the most reactive element. < 1288930724 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1288930730 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XeF8 is my favorite < 1288930734 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orbitals of Cl can hybrize, that's why it can form more than one bond. < 1288930745 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hydrogen fluoride is generated upon combustion of many fluorine-containing compounds such as products containing Viton and polytetrafluoroethylene (Teflon) parts. Hydrogen fluoride converts immediately to hydrofluoric acid upon contact with liquid water." < 1288930751 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, XeF4 < 1288930753 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's scary < 1288930765 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xeon? < 1288930770 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1288930772 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xenon < 1288930794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, fluorine reacts with nobel gasses. < 1288930798 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that a noble gas? < 1288930798 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noble. < 1288930799 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: all hydrogen halides dissolve pretty much instantly < 1288930801 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1288930802 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? < 1288930818 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :251 kJ/mol formation energy, too < 1288930826 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yes, fluorine reacts with nobel gasses. < 1288930827 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :W < 1288930827 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T < 1288930829 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F < 1288930836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reacts with gases that have Nobel Prizes. < 1288930855 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the heavier noble gases are not as stable as you might think < 1288930858 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are still highly stable < 1288930860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sir James Dewar < 1288930863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a better man than you are < 1288930865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of you asses < 1288930865 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but compounds can be made with them < 1288930866 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So does water. < 1288930868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can liquefy gases. < 1288930883 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts frothing at the mouth < 1288930885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are. < 1288930891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Xe·6H2O is a real compound. < 1288930904 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you _trying_ to kill me? < 1288930907 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: uh, isn't that just a hydrated solid? < 1288930947 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ? < 1288930966 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Wikipedia page for Xenon compounds < 1288930966 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that looks like a hydrated solid < 1288930971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Ah. < 1288930974 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so not an actual compound as such < 1288930976 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, for Noble gas compounds < 1288930988 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is still WTFing < 1288930998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like the fullerene compounds. < 1288931009 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I didn't clarify at all, and you said 'ah' < 1288931009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fullerene with a noble gas atom inside! < 1288931010 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1288931021 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1288931026 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "Ah, you won't clarify". < 1288931031 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope the new quantum-nano building at my school is cool < 1288931046 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, XeF8 is an ion < 1288931055 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with charge of -2) < 1288931057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum nano-building. < 1288931065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nano-scale building. < 1288931078 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fluorine compounds tend to be really nasty for some reason... Especially if the fluorine is attached something quite electronegative... < 1288931095 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fluorine is like 'whee let's react with stuff' < 1288931108 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the whore of the periodic table. < 1288931120 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(corollory: fluorine is a whore) < 1288931124 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dgoddamit lag < 1288931161 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I spelled corollary wrong < 1288931193 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Load of nitrogen atoms in molecule just likes to explode. Fluorine atoms in molecule actually tend to react with lots of stuff. < 1288931228 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, N3F... Sounds like a fun compound... < 1288931410 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's also CN4... < 1288931552 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is that CN is cyanide (ion?) < 1288931636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: "d[007F]goddamit" < 1288931648 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. CN4 has CN- attached to N3+... < 1288931655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also *corollary < 1288931715 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't 7F Backspace or del or something? < 1288931735 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(YAY FOR RECOGNIZING THAT 8 IS HALF OF 10) < 1288931763 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN HEX IT IS < 1288931828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7+9 = 3 in base fuck you < 1288932047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In base 12 with a zero-width space as a ... wait no. < 1288932087 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7f? no, backspace is 8 < 1288932129 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 7f counts as del however; i thought all the control chars were < 32 < 1288932134 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess you learn something new every day < 1288932175 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288932176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7F = ^? < 1288932180 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1288932181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := Delete < 1288932184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1288932185 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1288932189 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were asking a question < 1288932191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288932192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, no < 1288932194 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "7F = ^"? < 1288932198 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1288932203 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it obliterates anything on paper tape < 1288932207 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the reasoning apparently < 1288932214 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 7-bit ascii at least < 1288932233 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should relearn COBOL < 1288932451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *Relearn*? < 1288932456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean you learned it once? < 1288932463 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I read a book on it once < 1288932480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not the same as learning < 1288932498 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288932761 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at practices of hog/cattle farmers when raising animals for food is rather instructive... You don't want to feed those animals saturated fat... < 1288932838 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the reason why is exactly one reason why you should be eating saturated fat). < 1288933099 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1288933199 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :New xkcd in 1 min < 1288933242 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288933321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : New xkcd in 1 min < 1288933323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops nobody cares < 1288933340 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I secretly wanted to see how elliott would react) < 1288933381 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it start sloping downwards/ < 1288933387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1288933416 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, WTF at the title < 1288933423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have I mentioned recently that debian-installer is awesome? < 1288933452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why does it start sloping downwards/ < 1288933459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because... you spend all your time spinning around? < 1288933468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's xkcd. It's a steaming pile of shit. You know this. < 1288933498 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You may. < 1288933539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It is! Although the expert mode has some *really weird* parts. Like: You can disable shadow passwords. Why? But then, on the same screen, you can use sudo instead of a root account. Why isn't this in the regular install? That's useful. < 1288933556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: On the other hand... it can set up encrypted LVM with a few clicks. wtfawesome < 1288933624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh. < 1288933657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Still... what kind of monster puts an utterly useless option (disable shadow passwords) on the same page as a very useful one (use sudo instead of root), and then hides that screen in the non-tedious^Wexpert installer? < 1288933663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Non-expert, that is.) < 1288933674 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant when the friction is higher < 1288933693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because you can't move your chair about. < 1288933703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's xkcd, it sucks, it makes no fucking sense! YOU KNOW THIS! < 1288933816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Something tragic has happened in the Author’s life, and we feel that pointing out his love-life’s shortcomings or his relentless obsession with childhood would not be appropriate at this time." --xkcd explained < 1288933854 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relentless obsession with childhood? < 1288933854 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :score < 1288933898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("An updated version of the Map of Online Communities - a visualization of the size and relationships between various web communities. < 1288933899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This otherwise useless data is visualized as a map for a good reason. It is meant to convince those that spend a majority of their lives online that the communities they belong to actually matter, like actual geographic locations. It is meant to give meaning to otherwise meaningless lives.") < 1288933902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 xkcd explained < 1288933905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like xkcdsucks but doesn't suck! < 1288933929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The hatted man then walks in and replaces “hammer” and “something it is not suited for” in the aforementioned phrase with other words that the Author deemed more wacky and humorous. Another example of this could be: “when all you have is a ball-point pen, everything starts to look like a stick figure.”") < 1288933940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Didn't the updated version of that actually show that it was a very very tiny inset of the map of Real Life? < 1288933948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus making the point even more clear? < 1288933957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not that I am aware of. < 1288933966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, that quote was from xkcd explained, not Randall. < 1288933975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RANDALL WOULD NEVER STATE SOMETHING SO OFFENSIVE TO NETIZENS < 1288934000 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has in #xkcd sometimes. I wonder why the hell he keeps the comic up, actually. < 1288934016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The comic being that particular one or xkcd itself? < 1288934020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the latter, I agree. :P < 1288934024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The Author, much like Stephen Hawking, creates comics such as these as a cry for help. A cry that will, sadly, never be heard over the cackling laughter of his devoted fans.") < 1288934025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I could go on) < 1288934051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: xkcd itself. < 1288934069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: money + some horribly misguided belief that it's funny and/or emotional < 1288934086 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I suspect money's the larger factor at this point. < 1288934103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Franchise zombie! < 1288934106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, he could easily churn out basically decent comics that appeal to the target audience on his schedule < 1288934117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but he keeps trying to be different and even his fans sometimes go "wat" on the forums < 1288934125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but churning out shit is easier. < 1288934141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but he doesn't, he churns out uniquely demented shit < 1288934151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comics he'd have to think about quite a lot just to fuck them up so effectively < 1288934167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he's just the world's greatest troll. < 1288934195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occam's Razor says he's just sad. :P < 1288934583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Online Communities 2 has the entire map being a small portion of Spoken Language < 1288934625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, indeed. It is sad that you know that. < 1288934645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I am capable of looking at the archives and checking < 1288934649 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is, in fact, what I did. < 1288934658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is sad that you checked < 1288935013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of any practical reversible debuggers, i.e. program can be run backwards as well as forwards? < 1288935021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of a Java one. < 1288935034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://urdb.sourceforge.net/ This looks a bit fragile. < 1288935338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An exercise in coherency: < 1288935339 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1288935339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AFAIK dwarf is format for executables, there are few formats as you know (Window's exe as opposed to linux's ... what's his name) Dwarf is used in linux, I'm guessing that when you build an app in debug mode the compiler injects debug data to the dwarf in order to debug (I'm guessing break points and etc). If Go, a high level script language is asking to enter here needs of debugging to the way you build an executable it means google is doing so < 1288935340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mething bigger with go. (probably for android)." < 1288935340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb < 1288935352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uhh, gdb is not reversible. < 1288935370 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Holy fuck. < 1288935378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What? < 1288935380 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whoever wrote that needs to be punched in the face. < 1288935381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: At my quote? < 1288935381 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A lot. < 1288935382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1288935383 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They added it in version 7. I do not know how to use it. < 1288935397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The line immediately before it: "Ok... I think I get it... the Google is trying to rape a dwarf? :)" < 1288935398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Then that spiel. < 1288935403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/e1c6e/go_issued_for_inclusion_in_forthcoming_dwarf_5/c14ii8l < 1288935405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set lasers to punch. < 1288935407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phasers < 1288935411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Same damn thing!) < 1288935452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm setting fists to stun. < 1288935457 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And phasers to punch. < 1288935556 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Facebook: Fuck you for not letting me see the message I sent with a friend request (that I withdrew, but whatever) < 1288935686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: READY FOR ANOTHER MULTI-ARCHITECTURE EMULATIONFEST???? < 1288935697 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALWAYS < 1288935741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: NeXTSTEP 3.3 was released for not only Motorola 68000 but for x86, SPARC, and HP PA-RISC. I have the x86 version and am trying to get it running in qemu. I suggest you try SPARC. < 1288935770 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, are any of these AVAILABLE? :P < 1288935780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, I have the m68k/x86 version from torrentz.com. < 1288935795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://torrentz.com/169206b92525ec1750b19e96acd4be5f17674b0a SPARC and HP PA-RISC. < 1288935800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Hey, it has one seed." Good luck, bitch! < 1288935884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (You may have better luck than I, considering this shit is talking about patching old versions of QEMU.) < 1288935910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets qemu 0.9.0 to apply qemu-0.9.0-openstep-busmouse-2.diff < 1288936000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"About - QEMU < 1288936000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A processor emulator that is used to run an x86 Linux Kernel on x86 Linux." < 1288936001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How overly humble. < 1288936076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/qemu/ Sweet, where's the old releases. < 1288936128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/qemu_0.9.0.orig.tar.gz < 1288936228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WARNING: "gcc" looks like gcc 4.x < 1288936228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking for gcc 3.x < 1288936228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure: 372: Syntax error: Bad fd number < 1288936241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dash incompatible + "gcc 4? wat"! < 1288936252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QEMU is known to have problems when compiled with gcc 4.x < 1288936253 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1288936253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is recommended that you use gcc 3.x to build QEMU < 1288936253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To use this compiler anyway, configure with --disable-gcc-check < 1288936253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1288936254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no + < 1288936256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOLZ < 1288936264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nope, it knows what gcc 4 is, it just doesn't trust it! < 1288936290 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For 0.10 they had to rewrite much of the emulation to get it to work with GCC 4. < 1288936296 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it should now be compiler-agnostic) < 1288936303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I should install gcc 3, huh. < 1288936348 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is it? I thought it still depended heavily on GCC. < 1288936376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh? Maybe. Probably a lot of magic still going on there. < 1288936386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice; OpenStep != OPENSTEP < 1288936393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPENSTEP is (was) the official implementation of OpenStep. < 1288936418 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahah. Yeah, it's now compiler agnostic. < 1288936440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so ahahahah about that :P < 1288936445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant sure hasn't talked in a while. < 1288936446 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus answering the question posed by a recent article of The Daily WTF < 1288936455 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If it doesn't work with MSVC, it's not compiler-agnostic ;) < 1288936456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Daily WTF is terrible now. < 1288936463 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It has parts of TinyCC in it now. < 1288936468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I took a shit a while ago and it didn't work with MSVC. < 1288936470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: <3 < 1288936475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ? < 1288936481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, where are the gcc 3 packages in Debian. < 1288936484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were there a second ago. < 1288936507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? Seriously, I installed it just a few days ago. < 1288936532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# [2009-08-07] gcc-3.4 REMOVED from testing (Britney) < 1288936534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it was there later than that. < 1288936542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, fuck you, Britney.) < 1288936583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION installs from Lenny < 1288936584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lenny < 1288936620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So I guess it won't build well as a 64-bit program either, huh? :P < 1288936643 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Should. < 1288936649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1288936677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean, I used 0.9 on x86_64... < 1288936679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : gcc-3.4 depends on cpp-3.4 (= 3.4.6-9); however: < 1288936680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Package cpp-3.4 is not installed. < 1288936681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NOES < 1288936738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--cc=gcc-3.4 woo < 1288936821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, i386-softmmu. Can there be anything better? < 1288936823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPILIN' < 1288936829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So you are totally doing this for SPARC right? :P < 1288936887 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there functions that are continuous everywhere but differentiable nowhere? What of defined anywhere but continuous nowhere? I seem to recall seeing an example of one of those. < 1288936992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/NeXTSTEP$ qemu-0.9.0/i386-softmmu/qemu -fda 3.3_Boot_Disk.floppyimage -cdrom NextSTEP\ 3.3\ m68k\ i486.iso -net nic,model=ne2kpc -net user -soundhw sb16 -boot a hd.qcow2 < 1288936995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION breathes in < 1288936997 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Helium the least reactive element? < 1288937002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu: could not load PC bios '/usr/local/share/qemu/bios.bin' < 1288937003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucktard! < 1288937035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/NeXTSTEP$ find qemu-0.9.0 -name bios.bin < 1288937036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/NeXTSTEP$ < 1288937038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1288937045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Does QEMU 0.9.0 not ship with a BIOS or something? < 1288937047 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1288937066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- The PC BIOS comes from the Bochs project < 1288937067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (http://bochs.sourceforge.net/). A patch from bios.diff was applied. < 1288937067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- The VGA BIOS and the Cirrus VGA BIOS come from the LGPL VGA bios < 1288937067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : project (http://www.nongnu.org/vgabios/). < 1288937068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1288937072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then where are they? < 1288937146 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Pretty much. < 1288937147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/NeXTSTEP$ qemu-0.9.0/i386-softmmu/qemu -L /usr/share/qemu -fda 3.3_Boot_Disk.floppyimage -cdrom NextSTEP\ 3.3\ m68k\ i486.iso -net nic,model=ne2kpc -net user -soundhw sb16 -boot a hd.qcow2 < 1288937150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could possibly go wrong? < 1288937154 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You can't get helium to react to anything. < 1288937155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu: Unsupported NIC: ne2kpc < 1288937157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your mother fucks goats. < 1288937187 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the next noble gas down, and does that react with anything? < 1288937223 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Noble gases, unless ionic, don't react to anything. They're pretty dull all the way up 'til radon. Of course, before there you can still heat 'em up to make pretty colors :P < 1288937250 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/heat 'em up/put huge amounts of electricity through them/ < 1288937279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ne2k_pci", "ne2k_isa" < 1288937286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's from my version, but still. < 1288937287 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xenon is before Radon < 1288937305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's assume it's _pci. < 1288937311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo, blank QEMU screen of DEATH < 1288937333 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah, and Xenon is /mostly/ boring. < 1288937337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explanations required :P < 1288937340 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just less so than the ones before it :P < 1288937366 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when do they stop being 100% boring? < 1288937367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears that it doesn't like the BIOS at all for some reason. < 1288937401 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: None of them are 100% boring. Even helium can be made to react, just takes a lot of energy. < 1288937504 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do they start making stable compounds? < 1288937563 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/Compounds/? < 1288937572 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we were talking about noble gases here. < 1288937585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how do I tell qemu to use pcbios, not vgabios? < 1288937600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helium can form unstable compounds, known as excimers, with tungsten, iodine, fluorine, sulfur and phosphorus when it is subjected to an electric glow discharge, to electron bombardment, or else is a plasma for another reason. The molecular compounds HeNe, HgHe10, and WHe2, and the molecular ions He < 1288937600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1288937600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1288937600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, He < 1288937601 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+ < 1288937605 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1288937607 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, HeH+, and HeD+ have been created this way.[59]" < 1288937651 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just wondering why you're defining unboringness as stable compounds :P < 1288937654 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think that would be argon. < 1288937723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/0fCyV.png < 1288937759 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ow. < 1288937836 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288937950 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solid helium exists? < 1288937989 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... Yes. < 1288937998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Just a matter of making it cold enough. < 1288938025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helium can form unstable compounds, known as excimers, with tungsten, iodine, fluorine, sulfur and phosphorus when it is subjected to an electric glow discharge, to electron bombardment, or else is a plasma for another reason. The molecular compounds HeNe, HgHe10, and WHe2, and the molecular ions He < 1288938026 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ < 1288938026 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1288938026 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, He < 1288938026 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2+ < 1288938028 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1288938030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, HeH+, and HeD+ have been created this way.[59]" < 1288938040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: HAHA I NOW HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT TOOLS TOO < 1288938043 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I meant to paste was He tried to solidify it by further reducing the temperature but failed because helium does not have a triple point temperature at which the solid, liquid, and gas phases are at equilibrium. Onnes' student Willem Hendrik Keesom was eventually able to solidify 1 cm3 of helium in 1926.[17] < 1288938049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So you've downloaded it, right? :P < 1288938129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Seems that it'll solidify at 2.5MPa and 0.95K. < 1288938134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am not sure qemu 0.9.0 works with SDL 1.2. < 1288938145 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, pressure is another variable < 1288938167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And boil at 4.22K at standard pressure... < 1288938207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it is 1.2. < 1288938247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Boiling point: 4.22K" according to Wikipedia... < 1288938348 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Helium is the least reactive noble gas after neon and thus the second least reactive of all elements" < 1288938353 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_second_ least? < 1288938360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You are talking like Ilari... < 1288938402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for pxe-ne2k_pci.bin < 1288938410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, I don't want that. < 1288938462 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1288938508 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a balloon filled with neon will rise in air, albeit more slowly than a helium balloon." < 1288938517 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So stop using precious helium for balloons! < 1288938519 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288938554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Citation on "second least reactive"? < 1288938586 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lewars, Errol G. (2008). Modelling Marvels . Springer. pp. 7071. ISBN 1402069723. < 1288938600 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://books.google.com/books?id=IoFzgBSSCwEC&pg=PA70&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false < 1288938610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Got a qemu 0.9.0 bios? :P < 1288938660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that when I do ctrl+alt+1 from the QEMU console it just... freezes the display at whatever it was and nothing shows up. < 1288938675 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1288938680 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems... uncertain < 1288938688 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That book suggests that neon is less reactive, and neon is also a noble gas. < 1288938721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That book suggests FIX MY QEMU < 1288938724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*QEMU ;_; < 1288938731 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone interested in making book scanner? < 1288938749 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did elliott just do a null correct? < 1288938750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Anyone interested in fixing my QEMU? < 1288938754 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1288938761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "QEMU " -> "QEMU ;_;" < 1288938774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I'll scan YOUR book. < 1288938782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, thought the tears were in relation to having to make the correction < 1288938783 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o mai < 1288938784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired < 1288938849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: YEAH CONSIDER YOUR BOOK SCANNED < 1288939058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will pay anyone who creates a 1366x768 series of PNGs or animated GIF or anything that consists of, first, a bunch of N-pixel-blackness separated straight vertical white lines, that then, on the next frame, become slightly diagonal, and then on the next moreso, etc., until they are horizontal, and then they start going \-ways (so | / -- \, except a lot smoother) and continue going around until they are all straight again endless money < 1288939061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*endless money. < 1288939064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this should be rather fast. < 1288939085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously as they rotate to horizontal more should appear on the screen to keep the fill. < 1288939092 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe tomorrow or something < 1288939100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It would suffice to create a huge one that doesn't have that, and then crop it in the centre.) < 1288939103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Hmm? < 1288939103 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then agian, I'd have to relearn PIL < 1288939107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1288939114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might end up just doing it myself :P < 1288939117 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have so much homework < 1288939121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is to set it as your background and/or screensaver. < 1288939156 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers doing image manipulation for that.. Python Challenge thingy < 1288939176 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Factor is decent at image manipulation < 1288939213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: http://www.reddit.com/user/Related_Magic_Card < 1288939240 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't get it < 1288939248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets it < 1288939255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Click "context" on the comments :P < 1288939269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or permalink. < 1288939284 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1288939761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/dExFq.jpg < 1288939815 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :roffl < 1288939829 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :odds the border officers just wanted to watch porn? < 1288939931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Greatest job ever? :P < 1288940898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO I MADE A NEW ESOLANG < 1288940899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge/index.php < 1288940918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (Protection log); 07:15 . . Ais523 (Talk | contribs) (protected "Talk:Befunge/index.php": spambot title [edit=sysop:move=sysop]) < 1288940918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (diff) (hist) . . N Talk:Befunge/index.php‎; 07:15 . . (+15) . . Ais523 (Talk | contribs) (salt; spambot title, no real legitimate reason to use this unless someone invents a very weirdly named esolang) < 1288940924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOOPS LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE DID < 1288941048 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess it wasn't actually protected against creation? Or, worse, elliott is an admin? < 1288941059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Talk:" < 1288941068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I should totally become an admin now. Mwahahaha. < 1288941104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And taking a look at the long range forecast, continued snow, darkness, and extreme cold. This is Howard Handupme, goodnight" < 1288941108 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems.. whoops < 1288941118 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This page has been protected against creation and cannot be created without administrator help; " < 1288941146 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next I'll accidentally paste porn < 1288941227 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@j-108.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1288941233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "Talk:" < 1288941261 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the talk page has been protected < 1288941268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why TF would spammers attack a talk page/ < 1288941276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do for some reason. < 1288941284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it must now be deprotected, to allow for discussion on my language :P < 1288941618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also added CLC's rename language: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Rename < 1288942189 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288943383 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night all < 1288943544 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288943894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Behold my SNAZZY NEW USERPAGE http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird < 1288943901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTML hates me. < 1288943999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1288944000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1288944301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight; bye. < 1288944303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1288944783 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288946144 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288946288 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1288947858 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-1-95.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288948973 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288949833 0 :aloril!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288950581 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1288950903 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1288950929 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288951085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288960340 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288960518 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288964172 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1288964528 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288964977 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1288965215 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288965399 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288965592 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1288969096 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@75-174-219-194.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288969193 0 :ais523!93bcc029@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.192.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288969707 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1288969731 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288970014 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1288971404 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1288973883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288974619 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288974947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1288975929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next point of order: test Debian for GPU horribleness. < 1288975934 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288976198 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I despise stateful webapps < 1288976256 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1288976347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's worth a shot, although I'm not hopeful. < 1288976449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I disconnect suddenly, you'll know the outcome... < 1288976476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1288976489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checking if my GPU woes are any better. < 1288976522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: By the way, the system will become a little less stable after the release of squeeze. < 1288976529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still perfectly stable, just not as unchanging. < 1288976573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A few months before the next Debian release, testing goes into a total freeze and stops getting updates (well, apart from security updates and the like). Then, a few months later, it's released as the next Debian. After that, testing thaws and it can be updated regularly again, by packages trickling in from unstable after being tested.) < 1288976638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, it technically gets updates that are just bug fixes. But no new features or anything.) < 1288976869 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott did go to sleep at some point, right? < 1288976882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... think so. I still don't understand my own sleep schedule. < 1288976883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1288976998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing is generally incredibly stable. < 1288977022 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just less so than Stable, which only makes notable changes every year or two. < 1288977073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oldstable makes changes with the same frequency! < 1288977074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's even OLDER < 1288977093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Unfortunately, right now oldstable doesn't exist :P < 1288977105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They decided to stop offering security updates for etch in January.) < 1288977113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Seriously? < 1288977118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1288977119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 < 1288977129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think it was part of their "okay, seriously, we need to start updating stable more often" plan. < 1288977149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But that's shorter than Ubuntu Long Term Support, how PATHETIC! :P < 1288977163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1288977170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released, except when another stable distribution is released within this year. It is not possible to support three distributions; supporting two simultaneously is already difficult enough." < 1288977176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two stable Debians in a year. < 1288977177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pffft. < 1288977206 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why *does* Debian have 2 web browsers by default? < 1288977213 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hmm? < 1288977222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Because it ships the entire, default GNOME by default, plus Debian desktop environment extras. < 1288977242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Debian "gnome" package consists of all the packages that make up GNOME, plus Debian's extras. < 1288977259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://packages.debian.org/testing/gnome/gnome < 1288977295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Iceweasel is so named because Mozilla is totalitarian about the name "Firefox", yes? < 1288977298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So if you see those gnome-* packages, those, plus a few of the dependencies there, make up official GNOME; the rest are Debian inclusions. < 1288977302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1288977314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Since Debian modify even one byte of Firefox, it must be called something else. < 1288977330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (It also must use a different logo, despite the logo now being Free as of recently, because it is trademarked.) < 1288977347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was that you could only call it "Firefox" if your modifications fell within certain conditions? < 1288977350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Before you ask, Ubuntu get around it because Canonical are corporatist dickwads who have enough money to make deals. :) < 1288977363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. Any modification must not be called Firefox, as far as I am aware after looking into this. < 1288977388 0 :yorick!yorick@unaffiliated/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1288977405 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[For the free software company, see Canonical Ltd..]] — WP < 1288977409 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1288977489 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If distributed. < 1288977497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which is how Gentoo gets away with it. < 1288977510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what? < 1288977510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah; you can compile whatever you want. < 1288977530 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you saying that distributing source is differentn from distributing binaries? < 1288977536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: IF YOU DO NOT IMMEDIATELY DISCONTINUE YOUR USE OR AT LEAST OVERUSE OF "WAIT WHAT" I REFUSE TO RESPOND TO ANY MORE QUESTIONS AS YOU ARE DILUTING THE TERM < 1288977539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Trademark law is a bitch. < 1288977556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Also, Gentoo doesn't distribute modified source. < 1288977579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They distribute patches and the original source, and you *may* apply those patches and get a binary that would be illegal to share with anyone. < 1288977593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Doctors at the Swedish Medical Center in Seattle wanted to tweet the surgery in order to raise awareness about a new, less invasive method of removing tumors." < 1288977595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel so reassured < 1288977606 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Or you can tell Gentoo to just turn on the configuration flag that'll make it do a legal release. < 1288977618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We could have saved your husband as the unexpected complication came up, but we were too busy TWEETING IT." < 1288977629 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'd be ok with it if it was someone not actually doing the surgery, but just watching, who was tweeting < 1288977645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using the Firefox logo minus the actual fox, and using the code name instead of Firefox for the name of the browser. "firefox" will still execute it.) < 1288977665 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, presumably the watcher would be a doctor, and if a complication came up, they should get involved, so < 1288977719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, kinda like this, except without the bomb fuse: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Minefield_about.png < 1288977767 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the bomb fuse doing in the picture? < 1288977806 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a trunk build. < 1288977812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trunk builds might blow up. < 1288977848 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Firefox logo for that? < 1288977861 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to the "clean and legal to modify and redistribute" logo < 1288977869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :N/A... < 1288977954 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah, that's why Shiretoko carefully avoided the term "Firefox". < 1288978032 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Shiretoko is a Mozilla Foundation project, why do they need to avoid saying "Firefox"? < 1288978046 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, inexplicably, my backlight controls have completely ceased to function. < 1288978047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Oh < 1288978052 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I get it now < 1288978060 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trunk builds of Firefox are not called Firefox? < 1288978079 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only official releases with the Mozilla Foundation approval. < 1288978094 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, back then I was using Ubuntu's version of it before it had replace Firefox 3.0, so I assume they'd modified it < 1288978104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mozilla.org/projects/shiretoko/ in Chrome thinks I'm running an early version of Shiretoko < 1288978236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, incidentally, is configuration allowed? < 1288978269 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forbidding it outright is stupid, but there's almost certainly a way of getting arbitrary modifications in with it. < 1288978285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Request approval. < 1288978358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For configuration? < 1288978452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any modifications at all. < 1288978499 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bows to his strict Firefox masters < 1288978657 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-5-134.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288978849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1288979373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, Apple are discontinuing Xserves. I wonder why...? < 1288979390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apple has put together a "transition guide," advising that users switch over to the Mac Pro or ... the Mac mini" < 1288979750 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, testing GPU reliability again... < 1288980079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Fun fact: Debian stills offers the latest kernel compiled for the 486. You know, in case you don't have an i686 or better, i.e. Pentium Pro or newer, i.e. any processor since November 1995. < 1288980087 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1288980167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel so stupid for getting rid of that old box; it would have ran BSD or Linux or something. < 1288980264 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288980274 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch... < 1288980288 0 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1288980296 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've made a pretty picture < 1288980299 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7735/budda.png < 1288980326 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be a Linux problem, then. < 1288980330 0 :Slereah_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No you didn't, that is a fractal :V < 1288980358 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288980361 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, what's the fractal? < 1288980381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buddhabrot. < 1288980381 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1288980401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: huh, it seems like a photo somehow or something. < 1288980404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: The graininess. < 1288980534 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks vaguely Electric Sheep-like. < 1288980566 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288980642 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1288981213 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do iPhones dream of walled-in electric sheep? < 1288981248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets mode +o ehird < 1288981255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has kicked Sgeo (Sgeo) < 1288981273 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION accidentally kick-evades < 1288981325 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there are people who'd fall for that < 1288982671 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, Debian used to be *ridiculously* slow to update. < 1288982698 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their last release without Linux 2.2 was made in 2005. < 1288982713 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, first. < 1288982758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was entirely possible for a Debian user to upgrade from Linux 2.2 to Linux 2.6, entirely skipping 2.4. < 1288983000 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4 was LAME anyway. < 1288983004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1288983014 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This also means people could skip right over devfs and to udev. < 1288983023 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, y'know, silver lining or something? < 1288983074 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I especially love that you fake-opped the wrong nick. < 1288983090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ehird is, uh, the, uh < 1288983094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets mode +o elliott < 1288983099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets mode +b Gregor*!*@* < 1288983103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has kicked Gregor (FUCK YOU) < 1288983675 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's scary that I didn't notice < 1288983676 0 :iGO!iGO@88.210.105.254.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1288983805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realises the Debian releases are named after Toy Story characters. < 1288983828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This distribution is now about 20 times as awesome. < 1288983834 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION experiments on Phantom_Hoover  < 1288983844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You just now realised it? < 1288983845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And unstable is called sid for a reason... < 1288983853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It breaks shit. < 1288983859 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my mind is blown. < 1288983901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sid Dabster < 1288984583 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288985337 0 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1288985387 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1288985643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288986409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone feel like fixing the snowman on http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird? :P < 1288986430 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's fun. < 1288986449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: IT IS except the snowman is too high. < 1288986456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you mean my page. < 1288986458 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288986460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UN Human Rights Council is currently reviewing the US's human rights record. < 1288986486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1288986489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well fuck you :p < 1288986490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:p < 1288986492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1288986967 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1288986984 0 :iGO!iGO@88.210.105.254.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1288987427 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1288987504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc12-sgyl29-2-0-cust185.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288987566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ERROR: wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc < 1288987566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More information might be available at: < 1288987566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer < 1288987566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1288987591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The package in unstable http://packages.debian.org/sid/flashplugin-nonfree is suitable for Lenny (stable) and Squeeze (testing). < 1288987592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1288987595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On amd64 the 64 bit preview release 10.2.161.23 is installed." < 1288987596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome! < 1288987802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you listen to videos in a different tab? < 1288987864 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what was the name of that Swedish kernel.org mirror? < 1288987883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can get it in Software Sources. < 1288987887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to edit sources.list directly. < 1288987896 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "Select Best Server" button? < 1288987898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I'd tend to avoid out of fear anyway). < 1288987900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyway.) < 1288987904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, that selects a crappy one. < 1288987906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's based on ping time. < 1288987911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Select "Other..." < 1288987913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in SE. < 1288987914 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, how stupid. < 1288987919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure you select http, not ftp. < 1288987932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last one in SE, in fact. < 1288987966 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you determine it's fastest? < 1288988081 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff that needs to die: Wubi. < 1288988111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I didn't determine it's *the* fastest, but I've tried various servers in my time and Swedish ones are the fastest. < 1288988125 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good infrastructure? < 1288988126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And kernel.org servers have a phat pipe and are also really reliable, of course. < 1288988131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Who knows? Probably. < 1288988169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It maxes out my connection, at least. < 1288988243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too. < 1288988260 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purely out of curiosity, what ISP are you on? < 1288988298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uh, Orange. I heavily recommend against them. < 1288988304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And heavily endorse http://www.bogons.net/. < 1288988313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strongly, I guess, not heavily. Whatever. < 1288988508 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288988536 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ADSL is... slower than cable modem? < 1288988555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Well, uh, yes, can't get cable here. And all the cable ISPs suck major ass. < 1288988558 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1288988568 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true. < 1288988583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Besides, ADSL2+++++++++++++ gets all 24 megs and whatnot! < 1288988592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: And if you want more than that, get fibre optic, you lazy bum. < 1288988603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: (Note: Bogons' ADSL2+ service is hideously expensive.) < 1288988608 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By doing a little roadworking? < 1288988611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's part of the business services. < 1288988612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Yes. < 1288988620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dig up the petunias. < 1288988641 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, maybe I can just tunnel under the street for a short distance. < 1288988699 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The network definitely runs through Edinburgh. < 1288988706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. :P < 1288988747 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure to what degree my ISP uses it, though. < 1288988766 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, indeed, whether I have it. < 1288988801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: It is unlikely that there is fibre optic on your street. :P < 1288988806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, under. < 1288988810 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought so. < 1288988827 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't have a construction company handy. < 1288988941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you buy minecraft? < 1288988951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not yet! I'm not sure Java will like it. < 1288988960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: As soon as I verify that it will I will. < 1288988997 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not like it in what way? < 1288989006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Stuttery audio, graphics performance. < 1288989018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had to set the fog to the second-nearest setting in Classic to get acceptable performance.) < 1288989033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being an applet is probably partly to blame, and I imagine Alpha's code is more solid, but still. < 1288989065 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so there was this news story i wanted you to complain about but you werent here so you couldnt then i forgot what the news story was < 1288989093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: and the sky the sky it is made of red hot lava and it fell down from the sky onto the floor and we all slept but it was really actually dying not sleeping because the lava burned us to death < 1288989113 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Further investigation implies that I might actually have a fiber-optic cable under my street. < 1288989113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :two bad things < 1288989123 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, suggests. < 1288989124 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks < 1288989132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ...thanks? < 1288989132 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1288989141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: You get to choose between: (1) BT (2) Virgin Media. Well, at least if the situation is the same as in England. < 1288989143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well... I found an old version of alpha at a certain bay (and a link to the linux version in a comment), on my desktop it works as long as I set "fast graphics". But that is nvidia and emu10k... < 1288989150 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I am on (2). < 1288989151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Probably the two worst ISPs. < 1288989157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You really don't want to be on Virgin. < 1288989162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1288989167 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, but my say in the matter is limited. < 1288989189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: For instance, their CEO has called net neutrality "a load of bollocks". < 1288989202 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm no great fan. < 1288989205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and he's promised to put any website or service that won't pay Virgin a premium to reach its customers into the "Internet bus lane."" (-- boing boing, but still) < 1288989207 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so have most isps all they want is monies < 1288989207 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it does NOT work well on the pentium-m dell with pre-HD audio. Well sound works fine. But 3-5 FPS is not so fun < 1288989213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: not in the UK. < 1288989218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also coppro has lost his shift key < 1288989228 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i just decided punctuation is bad today < 1288989236 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to save it all for the code party later < 1288989236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1288989239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I'll try it out. That... Warzone somethingsomething game worked smoothly at full resolution; Minecraft can't be more complex than that, right?!>?!?!! < 1288989245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: capitals arent punctuation < 1288989247 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am disappointed i have to use a slash to change windows < 1288989250 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they count < 1288989276 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like I said, I have absolutely no say in the matter. < 1288989300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your MO-- < 1288989329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh yeah, and they tested Phorm without telling anyone. < 1288989335 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well who knows. Want the direct link to the linux one linked? < 1288989342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure, I was about to search but sure :P < 1288989358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1288989380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, and if you're not quite hardcore enough for Bogons I recommend BE. < 1288989383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know you have no say.) < 1288989404 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll be an impoverished student soon enough. < 1288989426 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that, given a COBOL program that reads a file, you can say things about the file's structure that you can't with most languages < 1288989458 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it is sufficiently simple to be read by a cobol program maybe < 1288989472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you are cooler without caps < 1288989480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, god, Sgeo. Please don't fall in love with COBOL. < 1288989482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. To try and get a second computer running or not... < 1288989489 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im also being more banjooie today < 1288989498 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points for working out what it means < 1288989499 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL has to predeclare the structure of files, right? < 1288989516 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it might be a good language to learn for career-ness < 1288989528 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it seems interesting < 1288989529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLARGH < 1288989535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON < 1288989538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1288989550 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say "good", did I? < 1288989554 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just.. interesting < 1288989556 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL. It was outdated when you were BORN. < 1288989565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I HOPE SPIKES RAPE YOUR BEING < 1288989568 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Places stil use COBOL, don't they? < 1288989569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO, WASPS < 1288989575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Places still use *horrible, horrible* COBOL. < 1288989584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND OF COURSE IT DENIES THE EXISTENCE OF THE LOWER-CASE LETTER. < 1288989598 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I thought it was case-insensitive < 1288989623 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGEO, IT'S STILL ALL-CAPS. < 1288989636 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPIKES SPIKES SPIKES OH GOD THE SPIKES < 1288989642 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a convention? < 1288989738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what are the flatulences < 1288989743 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mathnews < 1288989756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: SO HOW'Z MY ARTICLE DOING < 1288989815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many words < 1288989819 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So verbose < 1288990040 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: NOT AS A CONVENTION. IT PREDATES LOWER-CASE LETTERS. < 1288990089 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a 2002 standard < 1288990099 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I bother with it, or does it ruin the historicalness < 1288990196 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :abacabb < 1288990382 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, OLDER THAN I THOUGHT, THEN. < 1288990403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IS "COBOL" EVEN A VALID LATINY WORD? < 1288990414 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ENDING SEEMS UNNATURAL. < 1288990445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: COBOL IS ONLY WORTH LEARNING IF YOU WANT TO KEEP ABSURDLY OLD SYSTEMS RUNNING. < 1288990454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGEO: AKA, YOU WISH TO NO LONGER HAVE A SOUL. < 1288990469 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some young people have to learn COBOL eventually < 1288990485 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SOME YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE TO LEARN COBOL EVENTUALLY < 1288990536 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.paet < 1288990559 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:05 < Phantom_Hoover_> nooga, what's the fractal? < 1288990566 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandelbrot < 1288990576 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rendered in abuddhabrot way < 1288990587 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, OK, what rendering algorithm? < 1288990602 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhabrot < 1288990606 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty simple < 1288990618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, WHY IS COBOL IN ENGLISH, NOT LATIN, IF IT PREDATES LOWER-CASE? < 1288990633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IT PREDATES ENCODING OF LOWER-CASE ON COMPUTERS. < 1288990641 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm attempting to render it using a little cluster that i've built < 1288990651 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say 500Mpix < 1288990652 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEXT EX HINT: < 1288990652 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THE DESIGNERS COULD NOT THINK OF A CLEVER LEGEND OF ZELDA HINT) < 1288990659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: can I use your cluster for shit < 1288990681 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because macines belong to my university < 1288990683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If young people don't learn COBOL, then it will finally die. < 1288990685 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :machines < 1288990692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: SO? < 1288990702 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about all the code that needs to be maintained < 1288990708 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so nobody can access it from the outside < 1288990710 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those businesses supposed to just die? < 1288990719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is the worst person in the world < 1288990721 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, at least, have business logic transferred to a different language < 1288990726 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i have to go to the uni to use it < 1288990730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone needs to be able to read it, at least < 1288990736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do these businesses still use 50 year old everything else? < 1288990761 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, imagine IE 6 in 50 years < 1288990771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Some things become obsolete. Businesses should deal with it. < 1288990778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And COBOL was obsolete 30 years ago. < 1288990782 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, so the algorithm is to increment a pixel based on how many paths that end in the set go through it? < 1288990792 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1288990814 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, exactly, is there a 2002 standard? Not claiming COBOL isn't obsolete, I'm just curious < 1288990828 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the color is obtained by rendering with different bailout values separately for R,G and B and mixing the channels < 1288990844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because some morons felt like trying to make it not obsolete by adding the latest buzzwords. < 1288990870 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty but i doubt it has some interesting properties < 1288990873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supports XML and OOP. < 1288990921 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vomits a little. < 1288990990 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the COBOL spec broke backwards compatibility with what was used for really old systems back in '85... < 1288991015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that you would need to rewrite things just to use a modern COBOL implementation. < 1288991017 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand < 1288991028 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At which point you might as well use a better language, like any language newer than it. < 1288991031 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've known COBOL in the old years < 1288991042 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were like a god < 1288991069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, dear God the fucking language was designed by Grace Hopper. That's fucking *old*. < 1288991084 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any modern COBOL implementations use a pre-85 spec? < 1288991097 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may know Grace Hopper for inventing the programming language.) < 1288991138 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Xmarks is back? < 1288991162 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not really, but IBM mainframes retain binary compatibility. < 1288991208 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do mainframes cost these days? I mean, they're obsoleteish, right? My notebook's much more powerful? So surely, they're cheap? < 1288991219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They still make them. < 1288991261 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, but how much do they cost? < 1288991284 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather a lot. < 1288991315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can run several thousand Linux VMs at once. < 1288991388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, please stop doing such awful things to interrogative statements. < 1288991397 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sentences < 1288991413 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next, you'll want me to stop verbing nouns? < 1288991601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Oh, and if you want to run *really* old mainframe programs, you could reasonably do it for no cost. Some of the older versions of the OS for them are public domain or free of charge. < 1288991627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some crazy bastards wrote an emulator. < 1288991644 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was about to ask.. well, I wasn't, because it sounded like a stupid question < 1288991727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote How much do mainframes cost these days? I mean, they're obsoleteish, right? My notebook's much more powerful? So surely, they're cheap? < 1288991741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Was about to ask.. well, I wasn't, because it sounded like a stupid question < 1288991744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when does that stop you? < 1288991755 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :253| How much do mainframes cost these days? I mean, they're obsoleteish, right? My notebook's much more powerful? So surely, they're cheap? < 1288991798 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much would a 70s era mainframe cost today? < 1288991799 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOW-MATIC < 1288991820 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Defining Files in advance, and separating into INPUT and OUTPUT files." < 1288991830 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think that that's arguably a nice feature of COBOL < 1288991853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Probably quite a lot, due to being a museum piece. < 1288991894 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, how much would one of the early widespread-use mainframes cost today/ < 1288992045 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you mean in terms of net power? < 1288992103 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of purchasing a physical machine, although sure, net power too < 1288992110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, seems a few thousand dollars. < 1288992131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There really weren't that many of them made, y'know. < 1288992153 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When were there many mainframes being made? < 1288992158 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, in terms of net power, all of £0.00 (that's $0.00). < 1288992160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did the Pope shit in the woods? < 1288992165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did a bear convert to Catholicism? < 1288992173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did Sgeo stop asking incessant questions without Googling first? < 1288992192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I believe that £0.00 = $79.44. < 1288992192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At about the same time that it seemed like a good idea to scrap the damned things for their metal when replaced. < 1288992206 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, yes, screwed up economy. < 1288992252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a system 390 is going to be the oldest machine you can find working. And that's a few thousand bucks. < 1288992399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The system 390s are also going to be the oldest machines that you could actually get working without creating a well air-conditioned room and having an electrician come in to install a three-phase power hookup. < 1288992621 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up specs < 1288992638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cringes. < 1288992640 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_ESA/390 ? < 1288992646 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That says 1990 < 1288992809 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, get an emulator. It'll run way faster and be much easier. < 1288992827 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not allowed to be curious about old machines? < 1288992848 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Althogh yeah, I was fantasizing about buying something, but I have many fantasizes < 1288992854 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantasies < 1288992895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, for everyone's sanity, go no further down that road. < 1288992989 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, go no further down the road of describing my fantasies? < 1288993003 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For god's sake, yes. < 1288993004 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1288993863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I found a paper describing CAs on spherical topologies. < 1288993921 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Grab Hercules and install Debian on it. < 1288993943 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hercules? < 1288993957 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the emulator. < 1288993969 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo i tried to buy Odra < 1288993992 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odra_(computer) < 1288994007 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odra 1305 with 2 processors and stuff < 1288994024 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last one was decommisioned in June this year < 1288994035 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :390? < 1288994051 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wanted to get rid of it and probably throw it away < 1288994066 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, do you just live in your own little bubble? < 1288994070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1288994086 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought someone said 360 < 1288994094 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hercules says 390 < 1288994101 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, 370 < 1288994109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: New hobby: Emulators + Debian. < 1288994110 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 390 is another thing it can emulate.. I think < 1288994111 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I am steadily convincing myself that an invasion is ongoing outside my house. < 1288994135 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on < 1288994140 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :390 is too new < 1288994161 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it does System/370 as well. < 1288994190 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z/Linux should be working fine < 1288994230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for the list of old debian releases < 1288994238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apparently buzz is not nearly the oldest Debian. < 1288994245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wonder if that's the first one to use Toy Story release names? < 1288994296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"starting at version 1.1, debian releases have been named after a character in the movie Toy Story, a trend which continues to the present" < 1288994324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Okay, buzz is 1.1. < 1288994329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there are older releases. < 1288994451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should email oerjan. < 1288994470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Hercules emulates a Series z mainframe. < 1288994502 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Which is of course compatible all the way back to System/360. < 1288994579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent an email to oerjan. < 1288994636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, Attenborough is on. < 1288994663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone ought to fix http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird :P < 1288994711 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote no so many times. < 1288994755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You just don't appreciate the AWESOME. < 1288994773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it needs is a spacing fix for the snowman! < 1288994800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 554 554 : Recipient address rejected: User account has expired (state 14). < 1288994814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, *now* I'm worrying. < 1288994978 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the recipient domain? < 1288995004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: A server -- I think the computer science club -- of his (ex-)university. < 1288995039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nvg.org/ < 1288995129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we know what causes accounts to expire on that server? < 1288995142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. He got his Ph.D. many years ago, so it's not that he's left or anything. < 1288995160 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could email someone there to ask < 1288995162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will see if I can email NVG. < 1288995340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've sent an email to their support. < 1288995527 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herp derp < 1288995570 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you have oerjan's email? < 1288995600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/%C3%98rjan_Johansen -> http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/ (which I knew) -> http://oerjan.nvg.org/ -> oerjan@nvg.ntnu.no < 1288995606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, as I said, expired. < 1288995634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://nvg.org/index.php%3Flink%3Domnvg%26sublink%3Dkontakt&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhjR_3qM6CRengj-UdptFmksQE5RVQ I don't know if support@nvg.ntnu.no was the right one to pick out of all those emails (I only saw support and drift on the other page I got it from), but I'm sure they can forward it on if required. < 1288995726 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, goodbye horses is a really nice song < 1288995736 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from silence of the lambs) < 1288995757 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, and 'lambs' almost became 'lambdas' there < 1288995928 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my student e-mail is also expired since a couple of years back < 1288995947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: still. he used it up to present i think < 1288995950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's ooooooooold :) < 1288996067 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you only say that because you're YOOOOUUUNG :P < 1288996161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: he's like 38! 39! < 1288996162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NOBODY OLDER < 1288996172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you're uhh, i guessed it right before < 1288996172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :24? < 1288996177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SEE HE'S EVEN OLDER THAN YOU < 1288996177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OLDIE < 1288996184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My logic, it is infallible. < 1288996202 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he 38? REALLY!? < 1288996207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1288996220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: SEE EVEN YOU AGREE NOW < 1288996221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooooooooooold < 1288996233 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that is much too old for comfort < 1288996243 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :older than cpressey? < 1288996245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you didn't say he was old you'd become that old yourself < 1288996253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we don't know cpressey's age for sure :P < 1288996295 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that in public records somewhere? < 1288996297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we know he was in his teens in the 80s and ran some BBSes in... I think he gave some year range... when he was 16 and I'm starting to realise that a good memory ends up making you look like a stalker < 1288996315 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in sweden you can look up people's birth dates from names < 1288996320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is AMERICA < 1288996322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're FREEDOM < 1288996331 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he's AMERICAN < 1288996335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he's canadian i think < 1288996337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's in america < 1288996338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1288996354 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada is in america, duh < 1288996373 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a stalker? < 1288996381 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to erase his name from elliott's memory < 1288996391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed Seth Gold < 1288996397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but not in the united states of :P < 1288996485 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suddenly struck by the feeling of having something extremely relevant to say < 1288996491 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember what though :/ < 1288996524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fgsfds < 1288996538 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right. < 1288996561 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, I've discovered something. < 1288996571 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starch and cheese: good combination < 1288996571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DO THAT ALL DAY < 1288996574 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The US release of Monty Python's Flying Circus had *really* shitty video quality. < 1288996590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your face has really shitty video quality. < 1288996595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Stcheese < 1288996602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like they used a VHS tape for the source material or something. < 1288996605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY DID < 1288996607 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or mac-n-cheese < 1288996614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: charch < 1288996632 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: PAL release looks quite a bit better. < 1288996902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's especially "fun" is that the US release actually did a 25i->30i conversion for portions that were originally done 24p. Really. It's 24p->25i->30i converted. < 1288996926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius < 1288997187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1288997224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: - is punctuation < 1288997484 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Wikipedia romanises スーパー・ヴィエイチエス as Sūpāvu~ieichiesu. Which is pronounced as something like "Sūpā vi eichi esu". Non-standard kana seems to really fuck up their ideas of romanisation. < 1288997817 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288997819 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288997847 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288997847 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288997861 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd romanise it as sûhą̂ ùīeitiesu, and god was it a pain trying to just get the appropriate combining character for that) < 1288997877 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288997877 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288997907 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288997907 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288997932 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288997932 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288997961 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288997961 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288997981 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1288997987 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288997987 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998014 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998014 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998037 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: eh, but 'h' in suha? or did you intend some of the combining characters to indicate the plosive variant? < 1288998042 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998042 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998068 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998069 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998097 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998098 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The ogonek or cedilla indicates the plosive variant. < 1288998127 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998129 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998137 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's on the a? < 1288998155 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998155 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998172 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the dakuten and handakuten in my romanisation go on the vowel. < 1288998181 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998181 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998187 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1288998188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :oerjan missing; PANIC | *cringe* record: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1288998206 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998206 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998235 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998235 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus allowing it to work just the same when it's applied to a consonantless kana in a non-standard usage of kana. < 1288998236 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sebbu is running in circles, clearly devoted to the panic in the topic < 1288998263 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, can you have han/dakuten on such kana? < 1288998264 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998264 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998271 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that get pronounced? < 1288998291 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998291 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998294 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ヴ is usually used to indicate "V" in transcriptions. < 1288998317 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998318 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998343 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ヴァヴィヴヴェヴォ for the "va vi vu ve vo" morae. < 1288998344 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I seem to be missing the fonts < 1288998347 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998347 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998361 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably due to elliott telling me to uninstall my fonts because there were better fonts < 1288998376 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998376 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998405 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998406 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also handles the kana usage in non-Japanese languages... < 1288998436 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998437 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Excess Flood < 1288998438 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was oerjan's last action? < 1288998447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: uh, quitting < 1288998457 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK, seriously. < 1288998457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before that just saying something, nothing pertinent < 1288998467 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-61-251.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1288998474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.21:20:18:59 sheesh, fission does not release energy for elements < iron, pikhq < 1288998474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.21:20:25:24 well more or less. < 1288998474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.21:20:26:36 although the "helium mines" _was_ a joke < 1288998474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.21:20:46:20 catseye: which might be why it's wrong < 1288998483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1288998486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if his email account is gone < 1288998488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then his shell account will be too < 1288998491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how he accessed irc < 1288998495 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he ran off trying to set up a helium mine? < 1288998496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could just be a server thing < 1288998514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he came in on the 22nd too but just join and then quit < 1288998521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an hour and a bit apart < 1288998529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.22:07:18:00 --- quit: oerjan (Quit: leaving) < 1288998529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.23:14:15:04 I'm surprised oerjan hasn't cracked down on them. < 1288998536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mentioned him first after that :P < 1288998558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, "アイヌ・イタㇰ" can be romanised as "ainu itak̅u", but can't be encoded at all in any other romanisation scheme that I know of... < 1288998562 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that explains why he hadn't cracked down on them. < 1288998571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's been 15 days since he talked < 1288998589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What about YOURS < 1288998597 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, except for an Ainu-specific scheme based on pronunciation) < 1288998610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "ainu itak̅u" in my scheme. < 1288998615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1288998625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ainu language" in Ainu. < 1288998695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ainu is a non-Japonic language, but happens to be native to the island of Hokkaidō, hence the kana orthography) < 1288998838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how does your romanisation work? < 1288998928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: For the gojuuon (your standard kana chart), I use the "ordinary" romanisation. < 1288999020 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A grave on the vowel is a dakuten (the voiced consonant diacritic). A cedilla or ogonek on the vowel is a handakuten (the plosive consonant diacritic). A macron on the start of the kana indicates that it's small. A circumflex on the vowel indicates that it's long. < 1288999048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ' is a shorthand for t̅u. < 1288999061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh. One other thing. The moraic n is romanised as "nn". < 1288999064 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all. < 1288999094 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, damn you, I'm now trying to install Debian 5.something on Hercules. < 1288999105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Good luck :P < 1288999116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, basically, it's a highly pedantic encoding of kana. < 1288999118 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm failing utterly. < 1288999128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Try an older Debian. < 1288999144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if I could *get* the image, that would be a start. < 1288999163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *ISO < 1288999165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Debian still supports System z. < 1288999166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1288999170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To this day. < 1288999171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What problem are you having? < 1288999174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The ports can bitrot sometimes. < 1288999181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1288999183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no netinst, so I need the CD, and I'm lazy. < 1288999191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually, not really. < 1288999196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uhh, Debian is like 40 CDs. < 1288999198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need netinst :P < 1288999217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1288999218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/s390/iso-cd/ < 1288999220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, three CDs. < 1288999220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still. < 1288999224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lol @ kde and xfce/lxde CDs) < 1288999234 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A package failing on a port in unstable prevents it from going to testing on *any* port. < 1288999237 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, but *there is no netinst for s390*. < 1288999251 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, fillers :/ < 1288999260 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Assuming, of course, the package is set to build for that. < 1288999261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh :P < 1288999284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yeah, but that doesn't mean the whole system will actually install and run properly or anything. :P < 1288999298 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll just have to stop watching this shite and wait another year for episodes with contents again < 1288999312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, the System z port is actually used. < 1288999334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair 'nuff < 1288999338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thousands of VMs at once, hells yeah. < 1288999345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: lawl < 1288999358 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, I know... < 1288999422 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, episodes of what? < 1288999471 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: naruto shippuuden < 1288999516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed just from the excessive filler :P < 1288999517 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1288999551 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm, which files do I actually download for Debian s390? < 1288999563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] debian-506-s390-CD-1.iso 05-Sep-2010 02:59 648M < 1288999563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] debian-506-s390-CD-2.iso 05-Sep-2010 02:59 638M < 1288999563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] debian-506-s390-CD-3.iso 05-Sep-2010 02:59 648M < 1288999564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/s390/iso-cd/ < 1288999569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need the update discs. < 1288999576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the alternative desktop environments. < 1288999581 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually think it's good, but only if you skip the fillers because the fillers really suck < 1288999948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I propose a project to create a portable, 8-bit MMU-less Unix clone. < 1288999960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Linux and NetBSD did for everything else, we shall do for the 80s! < 1288999989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LUnix? Move over! 8-bit Atari? YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME FUCKIN' UNIX < 1289000000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC MICRO? No fuck that. < 1289000003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay fine.) < 1289000156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly it should be written in (C--)--, aka C -= 2. < 1289000191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conveniently, C-= sort of looks like the Commodore logo. < 1289000458 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1289000506 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I write a program GF-Magick to use METAFONT with ImageMagick. < 1289000525 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like red and green show on television? < 1289001335 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060005.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric