< 1289088003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do it like smallpox, keep the last remaining mosquitos in tiny metal cages forever! Mwahaha!) < 1289088019 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, but nothing eats smallpox. < 1289088020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There are a lot of people in the field advocating for the eradication of mosquitos. < 1289088045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia cites http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100721/full/466432a.html. < 1289088048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get around how many species use mosquitos as a food source? < 1289088087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, aside from just saying "Well, nothing eats *primarily* mosquitos, so fuck it"? < 1289088099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100721/full/466432a.html < 1289088114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I link to a URL, I won't continue talking until everyone reads it :P < 1289088118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise that's just pointless. < 1289088139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've read said article before. < 1289088197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It would seem their standpoint is "doesn't hurt anything humans depend on too badly. Fuck biodiversity." < 1289088219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uhh, according to *my* eyes, it said "Shit would adapt." < 1289088316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But, uh... if you give me a choice between no motherfucking mosquitos and hence no motherfucking mosquito diseases and ~biodiversity~... < 1289088327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just make the exception. < 1289088391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How's about we just move everyone off of Earth. < 1289088394 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that plan. < 1289088416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure; meanwhile, in the realm of things that are, in the current climate, actually feasible... we could just kill all the mosquitos. < 1289088429 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or all the humans. < 1289088439 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289088440 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(would take just a few seconds, Obama!) < 1289088650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing all the humans wouldn't harm humans? < 1289088708 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1289088747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: nothing could harm us, we'd be dead! DUH < 1289088771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Oh, it would harm the humans. But end all possibility for future harm. < 1289088797 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not advocating for the eradication of mosquitos. I am against it. If you eradicate any species, extincting people (humans) is the only thing that would work, and it is not time for that either. < 1289088820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm 100% in favor of eradicating many species of disease. < 1289088825 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, each and every one of the fuckers. < 1289088903 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the nineties, and there is time for effing up all ecosystems by removing diseases. < 1289088942 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I defer to Carl Segan on this matter < 1289088958 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sagan* < 1289088969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How would it eff up ecosystems to remove all human diseases? < 1289088969 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say no! It won't work! You will just mess up everything, regardless of whether or not it is successful. < 1289088977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Aside from the harm that humans themselves would cause? < 1289088987 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Many "human" diseases infect more than just humans. < 1289088991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You might get listened to more if you gave arguments, btw. < 1289089015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Bah. We should move everyone off of the planet, and be disease-free space people. < 1289089029 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect. < 1289089030 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Removing all the human diseases may lead to human overpopulation. < 1289089031 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1289089036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN SPACE! < 1289089039 0 :Quadrescence!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: omghaahhahaohwow < 1289089078 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: Only a bit faster than what we already have... < 1289089088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :overpopulation isn't a problem with space colonisation < 1289089106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: Honestly, we're going to be pushing the point where food, water, and space are issues in not too long. < 1289089123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and, of course, have in certain regions already) < 1289089126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey pikhq! < 1289089128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://sprunge.us/QeMZ < 1289089129 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, human is the biggest problem of the world, so if anyone who disagrees that you should not mess up the everything else nature, those people can be put to space, and then die from lack of air and gravity and stuff (unless they already have protection against these things) < 1289089144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Click dat link. < 1289089148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nice. < 1289089164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i strongly disagree that humans are the biggest problem in the world. < 1289089164 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Having diseases exist are good because humans with weak immune systems won't pass their genes on. < 1289089177 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is zzo38 a VHEMT person? < 1289089181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you're foolish for thinking that pikhq didn't mean to a planet. < 1289089199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: without disease there is no use for an immune system. < 1289089212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: also, what about all the diseases people get after they're 35 or so? < 1289089235 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: diseases will always form, there will be new diseases and if your immune system hasn't fought a dieases which is similar, it will take its toll on you. < 1289089236 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean diseases like AGE? < 1289089238 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If there is no diseases, then maybe diseases will be made up by the new environment and stuff, or even by other people. < 1289089241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, they can't care for their children and grandchildren. < 1289089246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, I would also accept colonisation of unplaneted space. Except that a lack of gravity well makes things much harder. < 1289089247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there is no such thing as "dying of old age" :) < 1289089252 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What is a VHEMT person? < 1289089269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: Careful with "always" there. < 1289089284 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believes that people shouldn't breed, and humanity should go extinct (gradually, as no new people replace the dying) < 1289089293 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not forcing it < 1289089300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can perfectly well imagine a scenario in which humans are completely free of disease. < 1289089302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the "gradually" is disputable. < 1289089316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: VHEMT = Voluntary Human Extension Movement. < 1289089320 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as time goes to infinity the chances of it happening increase. < 1289089322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: VHEMT = Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. < 1289089324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I misspelled. < 1289089329 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure they're opposed to mass murdering everyone < 1289089330 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the entire population consists of people over 60, you can't run a society. < 1289089339 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, true < 1289089341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: that is not true at all and shows your lack of understanding of probability < 1289089342 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1289089347 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: Except that humans kinda modify their own environment. :) < 1289089348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not to any degree required for the billions left alive. < 1289089350 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, depends how healthy those 60 year olds are < 1289089361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: you can't win the debate by pulling out "as time goes to infinity"... < 1289089361 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I am believe a bit different. In my opinion it is your individual choice breed or not. But you have to accept the consequences either way whatever it is. < 1289089387 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why not? < 1289089390 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but eventually there will be a point at which there aren't enough people able to operate things. < 1289089399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: As time goes to infinity your mother. Did I just win the argument, then? < 1289089417 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I used the word "always" to mean extremely probable in that previous context. < 1289089430 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think its so black and white and "winning" or "losing" the argument < 1289089434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: As time goes to infinity my pants leap 2 feet to the left. Therefore, I am not wearing any pants. < 1289089440 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they particularly thought of that < 1289089450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: Actually, I believe that the most likely scenario in the future, whatever it is, will have no diseases affecting humans. < 1289089459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I view human extinction as quite likely. < 1289089473 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't a while ago... < 1289089477 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on what timeframe... if I'm not still on ignore < 1289089497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sure I did. < 1289089509 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then your opinions changed. I know. < 1289089510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say I think it was the most likely outcome. < 1289089516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, they didn't. < 1289089517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo asks on what timeframes. < 1289089520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've thought this for ages. < 1289089524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is on ignore. < 1289089540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it's either we'll have human extinction or we'll become highly aware of the consequences of running our society and actually deal with it... < 1289089540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I'm vaguely interested and I feel slightly sorry for him. < 1289089563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You could use COBOL to code the Singularity. Then we'd have no disease. < 1289089565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd be readable, too. < 1289089565 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's hoping we don't keep the "rape the earth" thing up; it'll fuck us in the end. < 1289089575 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nature is too complex for anyone here to reason about correctly. < 1289089592 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is this calamous person anyway? < 1289089594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: Argumentum ad "oh, it's beyond our understanding; we can't use logic and reason to argue about it". < 1289089603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: I reject your pseudo-fallacy. < 1289089608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Meta-fallacy?) < 1289089640 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: So, you're anti-science then. < 1289089645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What old languages are still in use in some way shape or form?" "COBOL" "You must love COBOL" < 1289089654 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why would you suggest that? < 1289089678 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous, because science is *about* reasoning about nature correctly. < 1289089686 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science is based around the idea that we *can* make empirical observations about the world around us and reason about it correctly. < 1289089688 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm not anti-science, I'm completely pro-science. However, I think the arguments and models that these statements are made in are too limited to be of any use. < 1289089690 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mustn't have been listening in school. < 1289089736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous, I suppose you're an anthropogenic global warming denialist, then? < 1289089760 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminds me of some fake news show on CBC radio where the entire universe was destroyed. One guy wanted to go to the zoo but now they complain they can't, because the zoo doesn't exist, and neither do they, so therefore they are unable to complain, either. < 1289089780 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I am not. I believe that it is caused by anthropogenic effecs (i.e. humans polluting) < 1289089805 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: Science is good, but science is not everything, there is also philosophy. < 1289089808 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous, but the climate is so COMPLEX! How can we reason about it correctly? < 1289089821 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, there is also MATHEMATICS! < 1289089880 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, yes, of course. < 1289089893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rape victims always become rapists in the end < 1289089896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1289089896 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Many things are complex, and there are many different models to reason about nature and climate. I believe the models, heurostics, and methods used by the climate scientists are suffecient to conclude that humans have this effect. However, I think the models, and methods used here to reason about deases are insuffiecent to caputre its compelxity < 1289089898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm scrolled up < 1289089902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Here's hoping we don't keep the "rape the earth" thing up; it'll fuck us in the end." < 1289089925 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diseases* < 1289089997 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6E5pfJEROA < 1289090008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: Actually, my prediction that it is unlikely that disease will affect humans in the future involves no model of diseases. < 1289090066 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok, if you think your reasoning and logic to reach this conclusion is rigorous I respect your result. < 1289090076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Quick! Name some common things a software install procedure might do rather than copying files... i.e. what should I be prepared to do when I uninstall, my mind's drawing a blank at bad software :-) < 1289090078 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You asked who I was, but who are you? < 1289090106 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous, just this guy, you know? < 1289090107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: It's more back-of-the-envelope: I think that either human extinction or something that will make disease completely irrelevant -- e.g. Singularity -- is likely to happen. < 1289090156 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1289090162 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They actually serve that food? < 1289090163 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think that human extinction is a definate posability < 1289090179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(*definite) < 1289090208 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that human extinction is a definite integral < 1289090218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Create users. < 1289090238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmm, I wouldn't feel comfortable deleting users in an uninstall procedure < 1289090239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Edit config files. < 1289090240 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Are there two different spellings of the word that sounds like definate? < 1289090248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :config files, ok, there's little i can do about that :) < 1289090263 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything bigger than the Single Bypass Burger is too big for my jaws < 1289090264 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: definate is not a word < 1289090264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: definate isn't the correct spelling, definite is. not that it matters < 1289090265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Replace a version of a library with a different one. < 1289090274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Looking at *you*, Nvidia!) < 1289090276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean stuff outside "change shit in $PREFIX". < 1289090281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I set --prefix=/opt/pkgname. < 1289090285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully nothing would do *that*. < 1289090312 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: strange, I could have sword I cliked my spell checker when there was red underlying on it. lol, I may have clicked add to dictionary < 1289090317 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sworn* < 1289090347 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I apoligize for my spelling. just read what I say outloud to figure out what I was going for. < 1289090352 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Some packages insist on a specific install dir. < 1289090365 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IRAF, for instance, goes into /iraf. < 1289090368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: such packages are not currently supported by inst(1) :) < 1289090371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? FUCK YOU. < 1289090388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cal153: *apologise, *out loud. I do try not to be a pedant, I swear! < 1289090390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so you're going to say "fuck retarded shit"? That solves your problems. < 1289090422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Phantom_Hoover: You asked who I was, but who are you?" <<< a regular < 1289090434 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Well, Debian doesn't have support for it, so I think you're good. < 1289090443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Have support for what? IRAF? < 1289090447 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yuh. < 1289090461 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're allowed to not package things Debian refuses to. < 1289090490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right now I still have to extend it -- to work with stuff that does stupid stuff, to be robust, to support repositories, and also to support non-autoconf based build systems (automatically. Yes, automatically.) < 1289090496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: For instance, git has a plain Makefile system. < 1289090500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So instead of < 1289090504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ inst ... --configure-args < 1289090505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be doing# < 1289090507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doing < 1289090513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ inst ... foo=bar < 1289090515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Non-autoconf build systems automatically? < 1289090524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also hopefully I can detect that there's a "prefix" var and have it pass on prefix=/opt/git-version. < 1289090526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes. < 1289090527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes indeed. < 1289090535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I refuse to let any system confound my program. < 1289090535 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's going to be impossible in the general case. Feasible for well-behaved Makefiles, though. < 1289090539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1289090553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could even rename --prefix to --prefox in autoconf and this wouldn't work; who cares? :) < 1289090559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggest you allow a build script for the completely whacko packages out there. < 1289090572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Uhh, those won't be part of inst, which works without any third-party materials instead :P < 1289090578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A lot of stuff I do here might actually be reused in the *actual* package manager. < 1289090579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1289090583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk-to-autoconf logic and the like. < 1289090594 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, sorry to interrupt the flow of the conversation. But can anyone explain this: root@neutrino:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/vdb1 bs=1M count=16 conv=sync < 1289090595 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16+0 records in < 1289090595 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16+0 records out < 1289090595 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16777216 bytes (17 MB) copied, 1.73958 s, 9.6 MB/s < 1289090595 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :root@neutrino:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/vdb bs=1M count=16 conv=sync < 1289090596 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16+0 records in < 1289090598 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16+0 records out < 1289090600 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16777216 bytes (17 MB) copied, 0.210978 s, 79.5 MB/s < 1289090604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then I suggest you use this sort of thing as an automatic package-creator then. :) < 1289090611 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, why its slow to write to the partition, but fastre to write to the disk? < 1289090635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: Maybe /dev/vdb has some crazy kind of partition table where a partition is, I don't know, at every fibonacci byte and no others? < 1289090645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: This sort of thing, yes, but nothing this crazy :P < 1289090656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some sort of unaligned-write slowness too? < 1289090662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, probably that. < 1289090664 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289090667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: What is /dev/vdb? < 1289090676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: Linux is probably already aware that you zero-filled a lot of it. < 1289090681 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a virtio disk (I'm running debian inside qemu-kvm) < 1289090696 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nope, I can repeat this experiment many times with the same result < 1289090714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: Virtio is doing something bizarre. < 1289090726 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the unaligned write may be an issue < 1289090754 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Thats what I thought, but not even using virtio, I can make the same results happen ndb < 1289090763 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu-nbd < 1289090787 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of /dev/vdb1 it will be /dev/ndb0p1 < 1289090817 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: both the virtio and the ndb have qemu qcow2 as its backend, I wonder if the partition just isn't aligned. I'm going to try and check that, thatsk for the idea < 1289090852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Spot the bug: if '--help' or '-h' in configure_args: < 1289090885 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289090936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want to write things like that, maybe you should use Plain English instead! < 1289090961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Icon can do it! < 1289090967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it can do (x | 5) > y. < 1289090981 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: holy crap! I think you're right. I had fdisk align it differently, and I'm getting much better speeds. < 1289090984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One would assume it could also do its equivalent of ('--help' | '-h') in configure_args. < 1289090990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamous: SSD by any chance? < 1289091015 0 :calamous!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nope just a regular HD. I do have an SDD and I had to partition it with fdisk -S 32 -H 32 to get the right alignment for the erasure size < 1289091025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1289091111 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be something gcow2-related sillitude when it comes to alignment; I don't really know the details on how it works. Still, a pretty dramatic difference there. < 1289091126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*qcow2 < 1289091138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: There is a semi-sort-of-popular piece of software written in Icon! < 1289091139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :noweb. < 1289091142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, noweb is written in Icon./ < 1289091145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/$// < 1289091176 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that bothered me. < 1289091179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, fortunately "if any(x in configure_args for x in ('--help', '-h')):" is oh-so-elegant also. < 1289091192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if '--help' in configure_args or '-h' in configure_args: < 1289091192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1289091197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1289091208 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo, but you're repeating configure_args! < 1289091215 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that Icon was a dependency of noweb. < 1289091220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why bother? < 1289091238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I am a bothered person! < 1289091265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things that confuse me: Programs that take longer to install than build. < 1289091339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Wait, what? < 1289091355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION debugs
< 1289091407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Anyway, Icon is awesome! < 1289091409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equivalent code: < 1289091411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : every k := i to j do < 1289091411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : write(someFunction(k)) < 1289091412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every write(someFunction(i to j)) < 1289091415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those two, that is. < 1289091425 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc is 50% slower than clang at building bochs: takes 15s instead of 10s! < 1289091433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: X-D < 1289091485 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Bochs really that small? < 1289091501 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ./configure takes about 10s for both < 1289091511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am fairly sure that Bochs is one gigantic if/else if/else structure. < 1289091514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too slow to be a switch. < 1289091539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC will translate gigantic if/else if/else branches to a jump table. < 1289091567 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I tried to install "gv" from macports: it insisted on installing (by compiling from sources) both Perl 5.8 and Python 2.6 as dependencies. < 1289091568 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I haven't enabled all the features - enabling x86-64 added like 2s on the compile time < 1289091619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: -O0! < 1289091627 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289091636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ruby indirectly depends on Perl. :) < 1289091639 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: -O-1! < 1289091656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Shouldn't that be -P1 for pessimise? < 1289091656 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The deöptimiser! < 1289091673 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not if the if-else branches test against == foo[x] for a non-constant foo, I wouldn't think. < 1289091679 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289091710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which would require deliberate and wilful stupidity :D < 1289091732 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But then you can reconfigure your opcodes at runtime, you see! < 1289091749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assign mov==xor; < 1289091750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHA < 1289091782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IF YOU ARE USING A BOOTLEG COPY OF "GETTING STARTED WITH PYPARSING" A DONATION HERE IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED!" < 1289091783 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a balloon i'm a shoe i'm a mice lamp made of poo < 1289091817 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized you need to say BALloon or that doesn't work < 1289091829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh oklopol. < 1289091837 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ball loon < 1289091843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apparently, "make install" can fail if you redirect stdout and stderr to a bit bucket. < 1289091844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Who knew? < 1289091850 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Oh oklopol." < 1289091855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird response < 1289091864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sticking to it :P < 1289091867 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1289091881 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my defense, you are talking about really complicated stuff < 1289091945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1289092013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm serious. < 1289092051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries something else
< 1289092126 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what was your niche here? < 1289092147 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *is < 1289092211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say i'm the oklopol of this channel < 1289092239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Phantom_Hoover is post-oklopol? < 1289092240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1289092247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can barely comprehend the concept < 1289092249 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like elliott is the elliot, oerjan is the oerjan, and you are a guy < 1289092255 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :post-oklopol? < 1289092255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*elliott*elliott*elliott*elliott*elliott*elliott*elliott*elliott*elliott < 1289092258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan WAS rip :( < 1289092264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You came here after oklopol stopped coming here. < 1289092264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tt < 1289092267 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay sorry < 1289092290 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't recall him not having been here for a significant period of time. < 1289092301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, months, this year. < 1289092315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm barely noticeable < 1289092340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1289092636 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1289092675 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, so, you were absent? < 1289092776 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott seems to think so < 1289092835 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i was away most of the summer? < 1289092838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno realyl < 1289092839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1289092858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really get time < 1289092898 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289093202 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289093423 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hilter be Damned. This was our sign since 1922." < 1289093437 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sharenator.com/All_the_world_loved_Swastika_before_WWII/ < 1289093483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :orly. < 1289093537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old < 1289093567 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just can't unassign swastika=hitler in my brain < 1289093587 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unny < 1289093592 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f* < 1289093601 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither, that's why that was interesting when i learned it when i was 2 < 1289093616 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1289093640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to be an APPROACHABLE ass. that's why i'm so confusing. < 1289093655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"approachable ass" sounds a bit questionable now that i think about it < 1289093663 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... < 1289093834 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAH < 1289093848 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This episode of Dudley Do-Right had continuity with the LAST episode of Dudley Do-Right. < 1289093850 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ... all wrong! < 1289093930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically now they can't change the characters or anything, ever, because they'll have to end to story with what happened before this episode < 1289093952 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and introduce time machines at some point < 1289093965 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dudley Do-Right? < 1289094011 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wikis
< 1289094026 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION YouTubes
< 1289094068 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: By "last" I mean "previous" < 1289094107 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's part of Rocky and Bullwinkle, which is on Hulu now :P < 1289094165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that would be amazing. < 1289094175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: thanks for clearing that up < 1289094396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1289094402 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289094435 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I am sufficiently amused by this < 1289094437 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1289094466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ♥ Rocky and Bullwinkle. < 1289094558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey pikhq. < 1289094562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://sprunge.us/OLIG < 1289094581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Am I, or am I not, a god among men? < 1289094661 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That is awesome. < 1289094678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: QUICK LINK ME SOME SOFTWARE. < 1289094738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Go go ultimate test! ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcc/gcc-4.5.1/gcc-core-4.5.1.tar.bz2 < 1289094755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hahaha no fuck you I don't have that kind of CPU. (Okay, maybe later.) < 1289094762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am not sure curl does ftp:// :P < 1289094762 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fine. < 1289094765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it does. < 1289094769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Link me to Emacs or something. < 1289094770 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think elliott might like to know that there's a new Sam Hughes NaNoWriMo < 1289094779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/bash/bash-4.1.tar.gz < 1289094787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, sure. < 1289094790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses http:// instead for now
< 1289094810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, you can pass configure arguments by just ... giving them to inst. < 1289094814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Have to be after the URL, though.) < 1289094832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: When I support non-autoconf builds, that'll instead be make arguments. And indeed, --help will probably cat INSTALL; failing that, README. < 1289094867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Let's see if bash works :P < 1289094879 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That is definitely an awesome thing you have gotten there. < 1289094903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ /opt/bash-4.1/bin/bash < 1289094903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ echo $0 < 1289094903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/bash-4.1/bin/bash < 1289094904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Even as it stands, it's quite nice as a supplement to a distro's package manager. < 1289094908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, that was painless. < 1289094927 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I can unassign swastika=hitler in my mind. To me, only the 45-degrees reversed swastika is Hitler's swastika. The normal swastika is horizontal and vertical lines and is unrelated to Hitler. < 1289094931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm gonna try Emacs now. < 1289094948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a single day you have made a package manager that has packages for everything using autoconf. :P < 1289094975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Without dependencies :P < 1289094982 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. < 1289094991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slackware doesn't do dependencies. Fits right in. < 1289094992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: EMACS TIME < 1289095006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::~$ inst http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/emacs-23.2.tar.bz2 < 1289095007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Downloading emacs 23.2... < 1289095007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :### 4.8% < 1289095009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This may take a while. < 1289095012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, wow, what happened there. < 1289095032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what it should look like :P## < 1289095033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1289095080 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :win 25 < 1289095095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: fail < 1289095098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: (why do you have that many windows?) < 1289095109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I misunderestimated emacs! It errors out and it turns out my error-printing code is BORKEN because Python is made of liquid suck. < 1289095119 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cuz i am awesome < 1289095126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (Python's "make install" fails if you do stdout=subprocess.PIPE. I'm serious.) < 1289095135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (It works with stdout=open('/dev/null', 'w')) < 1289095145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Welp, dropping Python support for Emacs debugging temporarily :P < 1289095172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why the heck do downloads with curl go faster the second time? < 1289095175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't caching it or anything. < 1289095230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Probably I'm just missing a dependency. < 1289095235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yup! < 1289095239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: The following required libraries were not found: < 1289095239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : libXpm libgif/libungif libtiff < 1289095239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some development libraries/packages are missing? < 1289095239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want to link with them give < 1289095239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --with-xpm=no --with-gif=no --with-tiff=no < 1289095240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION installs them
< 1289095250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Actually I really should cache the tarballs. But I don't, so ha! < 1289095255 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buying a transparent melodica was not a great idea. < 1289095263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "It murdered my family." < 1289095273 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's full of spit. < 1289095277 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Clearly-visible spit. < 1289095282 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also <3 the Look Around You videos < 1289095288 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which can only be spit, because it's a friggin' aerophone. < 1289095293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ew < 1289095300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: First series or second? < 1289095322 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just youtube them, so I don't know the distinction < 1289095338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: First series is the ones that look like school videos; second series is like a magazine show. < 1289095371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Let's try that again. < 1289095374 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, http://qntm.org/mcadamis < 1289095409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: tl;dr < 1289095441 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1289095457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What is it? < 1289095478 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@75-174-222-98.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1289095488 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah. first then. < 1289095514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: good; they're better < 1289095525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: although the second series contains the gem "Thanks, Tchaikovsky. Thaikovsky." < 1289095538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: (talking to the holographic resurrection of Tchaikovsky, who is judging the music contest) < 1289095605 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. The easily-removable case seems to serve no purpose other than catching an absurd amount of spit. < 1289095618 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289095621 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1289095626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's the spitcase. < 1289095660 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody's baby is crying. Is it yours? < 1289095939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: < 1289095939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ inst http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/emacs-23.2.tar.bz2* Downloading emacs 23.2... < 1289095939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :######################################################################## 100.0% < 1289095939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Configuring emacs 23.2... < 1289095939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Building emacs 23.2... < 1289095940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Installing emacs 23.2... < 1289095942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Installed emacs 23.2. < 1289095944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ /opt/emacs-23.2/bin/emacs -nw < 1289095946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That was real difficult, that. < 1289096035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also works without -nw; GTK and all. < 1289096051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ ls -l /opt < 1289096051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 12 < 1289096051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Nov 7 00:54 bash-4.1 < 1289096051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Nov 7 01:07 emacs-23.2 < 1289096051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Nov 7 00:48 Python-2.7 < 1289096122 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289096230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is egobfi autotools-based? :P < 1289096278 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it uses autotools. < 1289096351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's... what I meant. < 1289096358 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I'm just being pedantic :P < 1289096365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: NOW WATCH AS I INSTALL YOUR PROGRAM WITH A SINGLE COMMAND < 1289096381 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure --prefix=/usr && make all install < 1289096382 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1289096394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That involves downloading and extracting it. < 1289096402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Erm, link me to the latest egobfi? :P < 1289096415 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hellifiknow < 1289096422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there it is. < 1289096425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] egobf-0.7.1.tar.bz2 28-Jul-2005 09:26 73K tar archive < 1289096455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: < 1289096456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ inst http://esolangs.org/files/brainfuck/impl/egobf-0.7.1.tar.bz2 < 1289096456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Downloading egobf 0.7.1... < 1289096456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :######################################################################## 100.0% < 1289096456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Configuring egobf 0.7.1... < 1289096456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Building egobf 0.7.1... < 1289096458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Installing egobf 0.7.1... < 1289096460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Installed egobf 0.7.1. < 1289096462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~$ ls /opt/egobf-0.7.1/bin < 1289096464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :egobfc egobfc2m egobfi16 egobfi32 egobfi64 egobfi8 egobfi-wib < 1289096466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I HAVE CONQUERED YOUR PROGRAM < 1289096481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it do hg clone? :P < 1289096488 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrr, "interrupt(long mode): gate descriptor is not valid sys seg" < 1289096585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It will be able to. < 1289096632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ /opt/egobf-0.7.1/bin/egobfc2m < 1289096632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,[.,] < 1289096632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault < 1289096636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: AMD64 fuck yeah :P < 1289096649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WELCOME TO THE PAST! < 1289096662 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Tell me when it can do hg clone :P < 1289096695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: https://codu.org/projects/plof/hg/index.cgi/archive/tip.tar.bz2 This would work, except that it'd think it was installing a package called "tip", version [ERROR] :P < 1289096706 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :P < 1289096716 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say http://codu.org/projects/fythe/hg/index.cgi/archive/tip.tar.bz2 anyway < 1289096732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'll add a hackish override, just to prove that it's easy to make *that* work :P < 1289096735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wait, is it autotools based? < 1289096745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't yet support other build systems (but will). < 1289096754 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but you'll need to autoconf it first, plus the root isn't the root of the hg repo, so you'll fail on SO MANY LEVELS :P < 1289096764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It has autoreconf. < 1289096769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So SUCK IT < 1289096772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*does < 1289096780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if not configure and 'configure.ac' in files: < 1289096780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : run_silent('autoreconf') < 1289096780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # FIXME: possible infinite loop < 1289096780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : return find_configure(files) < 1289096781 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have "figure out that I need to cd hg/cfythe"? :P < 1289096788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No... not yet :P < 1289096811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Actually fythe-Repository-73c33b3229c9/cfythe. < 1289096837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'll try just plain plof :P < 1289096855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, wait, that won't work either because hgwebthing's archive structure sucks. < 1289096858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fuck you and your siblings. < 1289096861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use git :P < 1289096863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-D < 1289096868 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :git is for massochists. < 1289096871 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*masochists < 1289096879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: As is Unix. < 1289096885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for the same reason. < 1289096886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deal with it :P < 1289096902 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I use GNU/Linux/X11/XFCE, and not UNIX ;) < 1289096941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: GNU on the other hand is for masochistic fools. :) < 1289096968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's not exactly not-UNIX. < 1289096979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Link me gcc-core, again? < 1289097006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: btw, *Unix; the fact that the name was originally set as unix doesn't change the non-typeset name :) < 1289097012 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1289097012 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1289097014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1289097017 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289097018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *Unix < 1289097023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is how it was originally typeset. < 1289097025 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The fact that it's a trademark does X-P < 1289097037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't consider modern "UNIX" to be very UNIXy; it's just POSIX. < 1289097042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gcc/gcc-4.5.1/gcc-core-4.5.1.tar.bz2 < 1289097052 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, modern UNIX sucks, I was using the caps to be an ass :P < 1289097056 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION flips off Win2k again.
< 1289097060 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that everything that's officially UNIX sucks. < 1289097062 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to write it in small caps? So we can make a TeX macro \UNIX which types it in small caps. < 1289097063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I mean something Thompson, Ritchie, Kernighan and McIlroy would be proud of :P < 1289097072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's trademarked as just the shouty "UNIX". < 1289097076 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUDE UNIX.ORG IS STILL USING COMIC SANS < 1289097082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is :P < 1289097083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Impact. < 1289097090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To portray the... solidity of UNIX. < 1289097094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that Impact? < 1289097094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't autodetect the network card qemu uses. < 1289097097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a crappy font whatever it is. < 1289097102 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ne2k < 1289097104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: -win2k-hack for the install btw :P < 1289097129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know. < 1289097139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've got a Win2K install without network drivers. < 1289097140 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes get lossy connections on IRC. < 1289097151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, without functioning network drivers. < 1289097154 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please review this file: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/litprog/hacks/litproghacks.tex If you have any ideas or any contributions to make, please tell me about it! < 1289097165 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries *forcing* it to ne2k_pci...
< 1289097174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just screening the archive to see if my program will like it :P < 1289097184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it will. < 1289097208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Downloading :D < 1289097217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I sure hope gcc builds with -j3. < 1289097224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I hardcode the -j for now. Shut up :P) < 1289097227 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1289097243 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Why did it type "PRIVMSG #esoteric :" twice this time?) < 1289097247 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, "-net nic,model=ne2k_pci -net user" makes it work. < 1289097257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :) < 1289097258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What could possibly go wrong :P < 1289097264 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li14-39.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289097288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: --configure could go wrong! I wonder what dependencies I'm missing! Time to break Python compilation by making it give debug! < 1289097329 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289097460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: Building GCC requires GMP 4.2+, MPFR 2.3.1+ and MPC 0.8.0+. < 1289097460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try the --with-gmp, --with-mpfr and/or --with-mpc options to specify < 1289097460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their locations. Source code for these libraries can be found at < 1289097460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their respective hosting sites as well as at < 1289097461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: w00t :p < 1289097474 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1289097495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wait, WTF is MPC? < 1289097555 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-precision complex? < 1289097562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1289097568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably gmp has it or whatever :P < 1289097573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1289097575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libmpc{2,-dev} < 1289097717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: * Building gcc-core 4.5.1... < 1289097746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, yeah, GCC now has dependencies. 3 of them. < 1289097759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 4. < 1289097763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also need a libc. < 1289097782 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And a compiler, and a shell, and a Make. And tar and gzip. < 1289097861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Those are new, eh? :P < 1289097867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It uses the Boehm GC, doesn't it? Guess it bundles it. < 1289097943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I wish make(1) had a progress bar :P < 1289098108 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then put a progress bar? < 1289098135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That would be basically impossible with make's design. And no, I won't write my own. < 1289098140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: gcc sure does build slowly :P < 1289098143 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it has Boehm GC built in. < 1289098145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Man, this is so convenient already. < 1289098153 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "0%"; make; echo "100%" < 1289098158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1289098281 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, of course it doesn't work - my TSS sets all the RSP:s to 0 < 1289098329 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and after doing some interrupting the stack pointer then ends up inside the memory-mapped apic registers < 1289098389 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289098393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sweet, make fails. < 1289098414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Debuggin' time < 1289098436 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easily accessible build logs will be useful < 1289098515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It prints the output when there are any, it's just that the way I do it inexplicably breaks Python 2.7's install step so that it just sits there forever after installing, doing nothing :P < 1289098521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to figure something out, but for now... < 1289098585 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably something obvious that Python is doing wrong (misdetecting whether stdout is a terminal, perhaps) < 1289098669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Python's *make install*? < 1289098672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's autoconf-based! < 1289098681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And it installs perfectly, it just hangs forever after and I have no idea why. < 1289098717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with gamers today: "Wait, 100? Like, one hundred? Shit that's ridiculous. And here I was thinking the 1000 save limit was lousy..." < 1289098721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about save limits) < 1289098746 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't surprise me one bit if python has managed to break autoconf :) < 1289099031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is my favourite python hater < 1289099057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even /prog/ hates on guido as much as him! < 1289099058 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :) < 1289099076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having said that i have no idea if /prog/ has stopped being limitlessly shitty since the last time < 1289099200 0 :giovanni!~giovannih@ip-140-1.sn-213-198.eutelia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1289099216 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/prog/? < 1289099221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/r/programming ? < 1289099246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1289093938/1-40 ;; lawl < 1289099281 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1289099288 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess elliott isn't really ignoring me, then < 1289099351 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't understand < 1289099359 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it makes no sense < 1289099366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: /prog/ rarely makes sense < 1289099448 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes to do homework
< 1289099457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: gcc builds so slowly ;__; and I know this will fail which is the worst part < 1289099522 0 :giovanni!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!list < 1289099530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So, definitely not Proggit. < 1289099560 0 :giovanni!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Sto andando via < 1289099624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl @ giovanni < 1289099628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: So, definitely not Proggit. < 1289099637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is this Jeopardy? < 1289099644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because: "What is a good place to discuss COBOL?" < 1289099676 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :D < 1289099700 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :SGEO < 1289099701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MAKE GCC BUILD FASTER SO I CAN SEE ITS ERROR < 1289099701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1289099704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it may have actually frozen < 1289099706 0 :SGEO!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is XChat's ignore case-sensitive? < 1289099708 0 :SGEO!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1289099712 0 :Quadrescence!~Quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence JOIN :#esoteric < 1289099723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh fuck it. < 1289099732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm gonna try Perl. < 1289099738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I don't think Perl is autotools-based. < 1289099745 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If XChat's ignore is case-sensitive, it is not following the IRC protocol properly. < 1289099749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does do ./configure&&make&&make install though. < 1289099754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The configure script is hand-written. < 1289099808 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrr, it was working all along, but bochs' disassembler reports ud1 the same as ud2 < 1289099821 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289099822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Presumably Sgeo talked? < 1289099829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see his messages even with the irritating nick. < 1289099833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Does --prefix work? :P < 1289099839 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgep < 1289099845 0 :Sgep!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does XChat track nick changes? < 1289099848 0 :Sgep!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1289099863 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289099867 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it would be dumb for it not to, really < 1289099874 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes Sgeo asked < 1289099922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Apparently not, but cut it out. < 1289099925 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know the answer of the question but I know how the IRC protocol is supposed to work < 1289099926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can easily ignore Sg* < 1289099952 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Or ignore *!~Sgeo@* or *!*@*.dyn.optonline.net or whatever? < 1289099966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ignore *!*@*! < 1289099971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That second ! is an exclamation mark. < 1289100000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: elliott@dinky:~$ inst http://www.cpan.org/src/5.0/perl-5.12.2.tar.gz < 1289100000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Downloading perl 5.12.2... < 1289100002 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ignore everything, what use is that for? < 1289100018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Good question :P < 1289100070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if not configure and 'configure.ac' in files: < 1289100070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NameError: global name 'configure' is not defined < 1289100076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you *sure* it's called "configure"? < 1289100081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Configure or whatever? < 1289100083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or config? < 1289100117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not entirely sure. < 1289100131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Configure" < 1289100137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Balls. < 1289100137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There's also < 1289100141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# GNU configure-like front end to metaconfig's Configure. < 1289100147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'll make sure that is the first option. < 1289100180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, seems Configure will handle --prefix, so never mind. < 1289100234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Let's try that again! < 1289100262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : raise child_exception < 1289100262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory < 1289100262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say wut < 1289100269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : stderr=open('/dev/null', 'w')) < 1289100271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sayyyyyy whut < 1289100280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 'pparently /dev/null in't a file < 1289100340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay what < 1289100344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1289100344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1289100350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: < 1289100358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : configure = find_configure(files) < 1289100358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1289100358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : run_silent('./configure', '--prefix=/opt/' + package_id, *configure_args) < 1289100362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Spot my retard. < 1289100386 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./confiure < 1289100401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: punctuation is for fags < 1289100405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stand by this statement < 1289100420 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1289100423 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you used a colon < 1289100424 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1289100480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1289100481 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Punctuation is for other people, too! < 1289100482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :: is a letter < 1289100484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronounced kuh < 1289100487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro kuh punctuation < 1289100495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 kuh punctuation is bad < 1289100507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq kuh lol perl requires dash capital D prefix equals for prefix, not dash dash prefix < 1289100521 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think punctuation is not bad if you use it good < 1289100543 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies < 1289100555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Punctuation is great. < 1289100560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should all use more of it. < 1289100583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Proto-proposal: If ./configure fails, try with -Dprefix= before giving up -) < 1289100586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:-) < 1289100587 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1289100591 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is,it,good;(if you Use like that)??????????????????????????????????????????????????????? < 1289100593 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am banning punctuation with this challen < 1289100597 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :star channel < 1289100597 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.S>e