< 1289692834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, true but some faster than others. I would suspect butter becomes bad in doeses smaller than, say, vitamin C. :P < 1289692845 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm? < 1289692864 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc vitamin C is quite hard to take too much of < 1289692877 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 grams of butter is nothing. 10g of vitamin C is quite a lot... < 1289692888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, I meant compared to normal < 1289692889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i hate setsid < 1289692894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, as in 200% of normal < 1289692899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, or such < 1289692907 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, not in absolute weight < 1289692907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you actually take visible amounts of it? are c vitamin pills actually just... c vitamin? < 1289692953 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to normal? < 1289692984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl @ vitamin pills < 1289692985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1289692993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Some people suggest a 6 to 18 gram dose. (the efficacy of this has not been shown in clinical trials) < 1289693006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAMS. < 1289693020 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that's what i thought < 1289693027 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was still surprised tho < 1289693048 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason "vitamin" sounds like something you only take one microgram a week < 1289693050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, incidentally, *has* been shown to have negative side effects. < 1289693080 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for rats LD_50 of vitamin C is "11.9 grams per kilogram of body weight" according to wikipedia. Which seems rather non-toxic < 1289693094 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unknown for humans < 1289693094 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rats can't be poisoned < 1289693100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are immortal < 1289693109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure.... < 1289693114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never believe me < 1289693135 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Lethal dosage is generally well above where negative side effects appear... < 1289693137 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I refuse to believe that statement! < 1289693142 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, true < 1289693166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. People can clearly get away with taking freaking grams of Vitamin C. < 1289693187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yep, you need quite a bit for indigestion. Which seems to be the main side effect for large doses < 1289693188 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder what LD_50 of linolic acid would be to rats... < 1289693214 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's a good idea — people can also get away with eating kilograms of just fat, but it's not exactly a good idea. < 1289693228 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1289693265 0 :gm|lap!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1289693281 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overeating is not a good idea (fortunately, it isn't easy to do)... < 1289693317 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also wikipedia notes that the method of death in rats by vitamin C is unknown, with speculation about it being "more mechanical than chemical" < 1289693345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it jams up their brain. < 1289693347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :krrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr < 1289693373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I presume it means something less literal than that :P < 1289693437 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whacky ways to die: Some chemical that disturbs mitochondrial proton storage (for ATP synthethis): Overdose on it and death is because body cooks itself with all the heat from metabolism... < 1289693443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # sleep 1 ensures that xargs will have time to start up < 1289693443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # this makes pslist less prone to random jitter < 1289693443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pslist=`{ sleep 1; ps -A -o comm=; } | xargs` < 1289693444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1289693449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So, something similar to how water has an LD50 because it can cause cells to burst via osmosis. < 1289693463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: water can fuck up your something-something balance < 1289693477 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much water can fuck up a lot of things. < 1289693477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said he drunk something that was specifically balanced so that LD50 = infinity :P < 1289693486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1289693558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is called "saline". < 1289693570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pslist=`{ sleep 1; ps -A -o comm=; } | xargs` < 1289693581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how, naively read, this duplicates every process :) < 1289693584 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: So, something similar to how water has an LD50 because it can cause cells to burst via osmosis. <-- presumably < 1289693589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, it was actually *really* impossible to overdose on. < 1289693592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Torrent done. brb. < 1289693604 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, seed it < 1289693608 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, to 1.0 < 1289693648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, otherwise you are a douchebag to all the other peers < 1289693781 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... I don't remember what was LC_50 for freons... Something really high. < 1289693797 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, something like 13%... < 1289693812 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, uh... freons? Well do you include the ozone hole then? < 1289694014 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could presumably calculate a planet wide LD_50 < 1289694233 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1289694569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night < 1289694615 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: they are annoying to work with imo < 1289694623 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I say that because I'm working with them right now < 1289694628 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're annoying :X < 1289695474 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1289695666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I will. Although there will be obvious computer-turned-off outages. < 1289695720 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1289695806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone experienced with Kbuild (i.e. make menuconfig style systems)? < 1289695807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq? :P < 1289696187 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not I. < 1289696249 0 :jcp!~jw@bzflag/contributor/javawizard2539 JOIN :#esoteric < 1289696319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "WARNING : Ethernet adapter, which is assigned to CHARON, must not be used by third-party programs." < 1289696386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work :P < 1289696397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you suuuure? < 1289696496 0 :gm|lap!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as CHACARON < 1289696573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BTW, BusyBox lowdown: It can build everything dynamically linked to a library, but it can't build that library statically yet. < 1289696582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apparently patches are accepted :P < 1289696591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But I'll have to add a setting to the Kbuild... and I have no idea how to. < 1289697298 0 :dbelange!~dbelange@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1289697301 0 :dbelange!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ask.slashdot.org/story/10/11/13/1742253/Which-Language-To-Learn < 1289697352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: is that the guy or is that the other guy < 1289697360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, it's so hard to tell you canadians apart, why can't there be only one of you? < 1289697428 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the guy < 1289697434 0 :dbelange!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adjusts cigarillo < 1289697485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: have you got sticks and rocks? < 1289697490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or will we have to settle for rocks and sticks < 1289697531 0 :dbelange!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sticks and stones < 1289697557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe words hurt dbc < 1289697559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dbelange < 1289697630 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: rocks and tree < 1289697632 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tress < 1289697635 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trees and rocks < 1289697638 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rocks and trees < 1289697641 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trees and rocks < 1289697644 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rocks and trees < 1289697644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Tress *and* trees? < 1289697646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By gum. < 1289697646 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trees and rocks < 1289697649 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rocks and trees < 1289697652 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trees and rocks < 1289697654 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and water < 1289697692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: But what about the tress? < 1289697700 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asqWMKju-0A < 1289697858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: rocks and tree < 1289697860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : *tress < 1289697864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm asking about the tress. < 1289697984 0 :p_q!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1289698197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Let's hear it for dup2! Best system call in all the land! < 1289698268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm. Opinion: Services should be run with >log 2>&1, not having stderr to a separate file. < 1289698280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justification: What kind of service prints to stdout, anyway? And it's useful to see the ordering. < 1289698454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--w----r-T 1 elliott elliott 3 Nov 14 01:33 log < 1289698456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mode fail. < 1289698742 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1289698929 0 :sftp_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289699050 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :myndzi < 1289699326 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cDFB00iVp0 < 1289699352 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, the physics is wrong. The person responsible for the comments has informed me of this) < 1289699500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your physics is wrong. < 1289699546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It's like a spinning top but AWESOME. < 1289699560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait it's floating. < 1289699564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind, it's just awesome. < 1289699582 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's actually floating < 1289699601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics is silly. < 1289699619 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the reasearch going into HTSCs for maglevs could make the best trains ever < 1289699633 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also love how superconductors basically make holes in magnetic fields < 1289699972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now, i'm debugging my service manager. 's integer printing function < 1289699974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fuck stdio! :P) < 1289699991 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also really cool are maglev systems that require no electromagnets < 1289700002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should just use libowfat or something < 1289700033 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the track consists of copper coils, and the train has permanent magnets. The train's motion induces a sufficient magnetic field to levitate it < 1289700048 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :downside is there's a lot of electromagnetic drag < 1289700059 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you'd need some serious engines (jet engines, anyone?) < 1289700144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with electromagic : < 1289700146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1289700148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*magnets < 1289700151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fucking magnets, how do they work?) < 1289700451 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: I am sorry I am late. < 1289700575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. That's awesome. Liquid nitrogen is apparently used to work on pipes... < 1289700592 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When there's not an off-valve, they'll use it to freeze the pipe so that water won't flow through it. < 1289700595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome. < 1289700695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1289700773 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :epic < 1289700790 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: electromagnets require power < 1289700799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: So do engines :P < 1289700825 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But if you have a permanent magnet, you have more power to spend < 1289700842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on noisy jet engines :P < 1289700893 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that would be needed if you wanted to go really fast, yes < 1289700904 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just a vaccuum. < 1289700909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1289700931 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1289700950 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it would be really cool to have a train that ran in an evacuated tube < 1289700960 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the efficiency would be mindboggling < 1289701003 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but the construction costs would be obscene, and safety would be a massive concern < 1289701018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works better if you move everyone TO THE MOON < 1289701030 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem: now you need to have not-vaccuum. < 1289701046 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could even use maglev in a vacuum < 1289701047 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, vacuum. < 1289701054 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darned hypercorrection. < 1289701059 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you use alternative electromagnetic propulsion... < 1289701062 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VROOOM < 1289702005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : although it would be really cool to have a train that ran in an evacuated tube < 1289702009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see problems with entering the tube... < 1289702478 0 :dbelange!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can enter my tube any time ;) < 1289702508 0 :dbelange!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or: I can see problems with entering your mom's tube (chlamydia) < 1289702519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: Sure, we can put a gigantic train in your urethra. < 1289702522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have fun with that. < 1289702526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might rip. < 1289702733 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google hits for "have sex with my life": 3 < 1289702753 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google hits for "fuck my life": 6770000 < 1289702794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :googly hits for "engage in sexual intercourse with my sentient existence": 0 < 1289702821 0 :dbelange!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck ML < 1289702953 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that language sucks < 1289702956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange: ML is a perfectly cromulent language! < 1289702974 0 :dbelange!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cromulent 42 ni ni ni < 1289702986 0 :dbelange!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grok what u did thar < 1289703031 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scary thing is the dbelange fits right in < 1289703087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbelange is dead, netcraft confirms it < 1289703090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#meme < 1289703128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i was going to argue, but yeah :P < 1289703175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Imagine a Beowulf cluster of dbelanges.) < 1289703546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, why does my program work when writing to stdout but not this file... < 1289703811 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because you lol < 1289703952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: but my code am perfect < 1289704338 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not am you amn't < 1289704478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: mayn't amn't is't? < 1289704871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no i swear to god, "pid" changes depending on what file i write it to < 1289705088 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sounds right < 1289705099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: BUT THAT MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL < 1289705101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an fd < 1289705102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1289705113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 9389 or similar when fd=1 < 1289705120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 0, always, when fd=thefile < 1289705184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: wow, posix requires pid_t to be signed < 1289705188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: them negative pids < 1289705333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : writepid(1, pid); < 1289705333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : writes(1,"\n"); < 1289705333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : writepid(fd, pid); < 1289705333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : writes(fd, "\n"); < 1289705345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I swear to god, this writes "0\n" to the file and the right pid to stdout. < 1289705348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON'T GET IT FFFFFFFFFFF < 1289705703 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your mother < 1289705721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: this is literally driving me insane explain it < 1289705735 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dbelange's mother < 1289705746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro has been taken over by dbelange < 1289705875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no seriously, what??? < 1289705890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't an io problem, i checked < 1289705897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the integer is literally 0 then and only then < 1289705907 0 :Alegend!44bfdaf5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.191.218.245 JOIN :#esoteric < 1289705933 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're a loser < 1289705944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i know but why < 1289705946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyy < 1289705948 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh pooppy, why ya gotta be so mean? < 1289705976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : writel(1, pid); < 1289705978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : writes(1,"\n"); < 1289705978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : writel(fd, pid); < 1289705978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : writes(fd, "\n"); < 1289705978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : writel(1, pid); < 1289705978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : writes(1,"\n"); < 1289705985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HOW CAN WRITEL SEE PID AS 0 IN THE SECOND CALL, AND IN *NO OTHER CALL*? < 1289705991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *checked*, it is actually seeing it as 0. < 1289705995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int writel(int fd, long i) < 1289705997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1289705997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : char s[(sizeof(long)*CHAR_BIT)/3]; < 1289705997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : char *t = s + sizeof(s); < 1289705997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (!i) return writes(fd, "0"); < 1289706000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bit of code *gets executed*. < 1289706045 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh damn you perfect numbers! < 1289706352 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also <3 <3 <3 metroid music < 1289706354 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 < 1289706447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1289706449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If pid is negative but not (pid_t)-1, sig will be sent to < 1289706449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all processes whose process group ID is equal to the abso- < 1289706449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lute value of pid and for which the process has permission < 1289706449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to send a signal." < 1289706449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus! < 1289706549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thehiawathatriad.org/home/?page_id=1780 "Web 4.0, IPv8 & Exploration" < 1289706551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i smell paper generator < 1289706568 0 :Alegend!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO, MORTALS! < 1289706605 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/win 11 < 1289706606 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1289706918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight; bye. < 1289706918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1289707446 0 :Alegend!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1289708502 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289709662 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289709668 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does this mean? sdIv:;aL{l*h?[?Q4-xiYf9QSi3U&7edDCVZ3z_< < 1289744097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if ((fd = open("/dev/null", O_WRONLY)) < 0) diewith("open", errno); < 1289744098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (dup2(fd, 1) < 0) diewith("dup2", errno); < 1289744098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (dup2(fd, 2) < 0) diewith("dup2", errno); < 1289744108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: C -- because >/dev/null 2>&1 should take three lines of code! < 1289744671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I would like to express an opinion. < 1289744686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHY DOESN'T THE STANDARD UNIX API HAVE AN EASY WAY TO DETECT WHEN A FILE'S PERMISSIONS CHANGE < 1289744693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(blocking) < 1289745022 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289745033 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, find the permissions and see if they've changed? < 1289745041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: In a tight loop? < 1289745043 0 :Velmont!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1289745044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hog all the CPU? < 1289745250 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it every once in a while? < 1289745308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So -- "poll every N seconds". < 1289745316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will just defer to Vorpal here because his hate of this is one thing he's actually right about. < 1289745502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamin better have a nice api < 1289745509 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamin? < 1289745541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://swoolley.org/man.cgi/3/fam ha ha ha < 1289745542 0 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1289745546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a file monitoring implementation < 1289745561 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1289745571 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to do now? < 1289745707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uhh, if I monitor the file I can get a notification when its permissions change... < 1289745707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh. < 1289745720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean generally. < 1289745838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Write svmg, like all the previous times :P < 1289745846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svmg? < 1289745854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SerVice ManaGer. < 1289745976 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230229224.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1289746453 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which does? < 1289746478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Manage services. < 1289746482 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it manages services, obvio... < 1289746485 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1289746497 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is this your replacement for init? < 1289746557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. < 1289746581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: AKA "Let's see how much we can directly reimplement daemontools and runit with hopeless naïvety and not be a total ripoff". < 1289747034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 < 1289747034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 3 4 < 1289747034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 4 5 < 1289747492 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1289747529 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-63-232.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1289747769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Users, especially administrators, who are associated, or suspected of association, with sites which are hypercritical of Wikipedia can expect their Wikipedia activities as well as their activities on the hypercritical website, to be closely monitored." < 1289747771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HYPERCRITICAL < 1289747953 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lawl, where's that from? < 1289747966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/MONGO#Karma < 1289747974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Amusingly not a single one of those motions got a single negative vote < 1289747988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: DEMOCRACY OF THE SMALL HIVEMIND! < 1289748044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EncyclopediaDramatica.png I wonder how many days it took to wait for the ED front page to be SFW enough to include < 1289748104 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289748286 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1289748777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbFz--GCkOM In which a Winnie the Pooh film is made that, contrary to all expectations anyone may have had, is not 3D. Or ugly. < 1289748828 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh bother. < 1289748842 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have that bitch instead of Christopher Robin? :P < 1289748962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nope. < 1289748972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "this new movie is an adaption of five A. A. Milne Pooh stories which Disney hasn't used before" --reddit < 1289748977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It actually looks really good :P < 1289749061 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1289749161 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@j-84.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1289749288 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289750198 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i heard there are now brain reading hats you can buy < 1289750208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone link me to one < 1289750212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll pay anything < 1289750327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well there are mind-control interfaces for computers. they sort of work < 1289750356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you could do this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrainGate! < 1289750361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :implant < 1289750378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: mind-control gaymin interface: http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/ocz_peripherals/nia < 1289750392 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to a university with one of them. It didn't work too well, although I don't think the system was that sophisticated. < 1289750409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Looks comfortable and stylish. < 1289750412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being cheap and practical was a priority. < 1289750422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: BrainGate or nia? :P < 1289750456 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Both! 8-D < 1289750475 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one I saw worked by monitoring your occipital lobe. < 1289750476 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care what it looks or how much it costs, as long as i can write binary without moving < 1289750483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what it looks. < 1289750498 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, I think you typo'd "gay men" in the link to nia. < 1289750516 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is clearly a gay men interface. ... the best kind of interface? :P < 1289750520 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You looked at a blinking light, and it did a Fourier transform on the brainwaves and checked for a frequency component. < 1289750543 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And what if you're blind? Or stupid? < 1289750551 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1289750555 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, if you're blind, it doesn't work. < 1289750569 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't have a signal coming from your occipital lobe, it doesn't work. < 1289750600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I say "your" inaccurately. It wouldn't have been possible to clear using it on me with an ethics board, apparently. < 1289750636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I was going for "gaymen" without being completely opaque :P < 1289750644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/ocz_peripherals/nia < 1289750646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: go buy it < 1289750653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it even comes with windows-based configuration < 1289750671 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope it's easy to get the data out of that < 1289750675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "By translating facial expressions, eye movements and concentrated brainwave activity into PC game keyboard and mouse controls, nia opens new." so just make sure it only listens to the brainwaves < 1289750679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sure, it presses keys < 1289750682 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1289750683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just read a key at a time < 1289750690 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you could write binary in the visual one easily enough. < 1289750696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hopefully you can disable the facial expressions/eye movements stuff, although gotta say, this'll be very few bits per second :P < 1289750699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: or... a few seconds per bit < 1289750699 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a large enough frequency gap. < 1289750725 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you could probably expand it to pairs of bits, if not triplets. < 1289750741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: few seconds per bit for you maybe. < 1289750748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: osnap < 1289750749 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd totally own at that < 1289750763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway all i want to do is get binary output and train myself fast at it < 1289750766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: good luck :P apparently people have managed to play games with it, although it is a bit unpredictable < 1289750776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and i imagine they had it looking at facial expressions / eye movements too < 1289750786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if you can disable that. hopefully :P < 1289750812 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully you will actually get the data it reads out unprocessed < 1289750814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i forget, do string buffers go first or last in C < 1289750822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you're converting foo to string, string is first or last < 1289750860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what you mean by what you just said :P < 1289750865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: < 1289750871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char *footostr(foo x, char *buf); < 1289750874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :char *footostr(char *buf, foo x); < 1289750877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i forget which is the done thing < 1289750882 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually first. < 1289750887 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "to" is always first usually. < 1289750897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1289750934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : char *t = s + DECIMALOF(long) - 1; < 1289750938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define DECIMALOF(t) ((sizeof(t)*8)/3) < 1289750942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i sorta totally blame you for this :) < 1289750948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works well though! < 1289750951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha fuck you malloc < 1289750988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : EISDIR An ELF interpreter was a directory. < 1289751000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ENOENT The file filename or a script or ELF interpreter does not exist, < 1289751001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : or a shared library needed for file or interpreter cannot be < 1289751001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : found. < 1289751009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fucking ambiguity < 1289751019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, what kind of shithead uses shared libraries, anyway. < 1289751244 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that thing's too hard to buy, i wish there was a page where i could just pour 10 times the money a thing costs and they'd just send it to me < 1289751260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to look at fucking retarded webpages < 1289751310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably not a page, more like a shop, so i could walk instead of browsing < 1289751426 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289751445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's called a shop < 1289751465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: amazon ships to you guys right? < 1289751543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://www.amazon.com/OCZ-OCZMSNIA-NIA-Impulse-Actuator/dp/B00168VU4U < 1289751627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that thing's on amazon, i searched with a few stupid queries and all i got was books < 1289751700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i don't know if you can disable the eye movement stuff and the like so uh < 1289751703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close your eyes and be very still < 1289751716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(use headphones to listen to the output, just record yourself saying "zero" and "one" and have your program play them) < 1289751729 0 :sftp_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289751754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm. < 1289751767 0 :sftp_!~sftp@79.174.35.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1289751834 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Hulu/Syfy (I don't know who to swear at): You said I'd be able to watch episodes 30 days after airing. Did you just flat out forget? < 1289751856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'll buy it just in case it is cool. < 1289751863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: can i have some money < 1289751867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you don't care about it < 1289751869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, fuck you < 1289751872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in return i'll be awesome?? < 1289751875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you owe me 50 < 1289751875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: BUT WHAT IF I'M AWESOME < 1289751881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not yet i don't :P < 1289751892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWO MORE YEARS < 1289751894 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean because of clicking < 1289751899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that was *not* 50 < 1289751900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was 25 < 1289751901 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon i'll owe you money < 1289751902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dickhead :P < 1289751902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1289751925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'll accept £25 instead of £50 since that's my debt < 1289751932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also since you're probably really poor < 1289751934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lonely < 1289751935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sad < 1289751957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably easier for both our accounting if i pay 50 and you pay me the 25 later < 1289752039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe i can buy a wheelchair and make it move and talk when i think < 1289752046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1289752049 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i get that ocd thing < 1289752120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's probably easier for both our accounting if i pay 50 and you pay me the 25 later < 1289752124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of accounting is *that* < 1289752140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: anyway still two years - 3 months before you have to pay < 1289752232 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1289752398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: or we could just write off both of our debts, which is profitable to you (assuming you lose it which... you will) < 1289752409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^ so not going to work) < 1289752459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i ordered the thingie < 1289752470 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it'll suck ass but i'm optimistic. < 1289752951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that's what she asid < 1289752953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1289752954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asidding < 1289752957 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i ordered their last piece because the page doesn't have the product anymore... < 1289752964 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not amazon) < 1289753357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: fix my prog < 1289753359 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1289753441 0 :sftp_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1289753473 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives elliott a 'do it yourself'-kit consisting of a hammer and a chisel :D < 1289753485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAH < 1289753676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: but see i get my error from execl which is in the FORKED process < 1289753683 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny how conplex stuff has become... there was a time where everything could be fixed with a hammer and a chisel < 1289753685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i need the error in the parent, see < 1289753689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how can i DO that?!?1/1 < 1289753696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without yucky ipc < 1289753748 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire set of solutions is classified as some kind of ipc, so if you dont want that there is no other solution :) < 1289753775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: i could do a call that lets me see the error from the parent instead < 1289753776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow < 1289753780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that call is execl < 1289753787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it succeeds, well, there goes my process < 1289754576 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So reddit's "popular choices" on the submission page is pretty much a list of subscribed-to reddits < 1289754588 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think NoPDubClub is that popular < 1289754806 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-37.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1289755600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" On typical PC servers a reboot is < 1289755600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite lengthy: the BIOS takes two minutes, the kernel takes 20 seconds, and < 1289755600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boot scripts take 30-90 seconds." < 1289755605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what kind of bios takes that long < 1289755765 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a server bios? :) < 1289755773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: still! :) < 1289755792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly this is from 2004, but still < 1289755816 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hi. < 1289755826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1289755829 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you happen to know if python lists are arrays or cons-style lists? < 1289755833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: arrays < 1289755841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(automatically growing) < 1289755842 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you get linked lists in python then? < 1289755850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: with a class < 1289755851 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god. < 1289755852 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone had made a modified linux thingy with a power-on to init delay of less than 1s < 1289755857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah i know < 1289755857 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh, < 1289755865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a word for those lumpy bits on sci-fi spaceships. < 1289755865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or, uh < 1289755868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nested tuples! < 1289755872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (1,(2,(3,()))) < 1289755874 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind is blown. < 1289755877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1289755880 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1289755887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "greebles". < 1289755888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, nodules? < 1289755890 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1289755897 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeble < 1289755899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what lumpy bits? < 1289755906 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the greebles < 1289755912 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1289755914 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, see: any spaceship. < 1289755916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a question of my own: what's the simplest, dirt cheap way on unix/linux to make a call that will block until a file's permissions change? It is okay if it returns sometimes when that doesn't happen, too (I'm just trying to not poll every second). < 1289755923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I would rather avoid fam and the like. < 1289755928 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The article has a picture of a greebled cube which should make it clear. < 1289755971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh... Not sure. But it might be worth checking if epoll or inotify can do that < 1289755978 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, inotify probably can < 1289756016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anything more portable? :P < 1289756024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you could just select() on a filesystem entry or something. < 1289756034 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@k-254.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1289756037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, perhaps kqueue on *bsd < 1289756046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, nothing portable I think < 1289756056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so gamin then. bleh < 1289756061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm just going to poll every few seconds :) < 1289756063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could use some wrapper library such as gamin yes < 1289756073 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20060214091217/http://battletech-movie.com/html/tutorials/comments_about_greebling.php is a long article about greebles. < 1289756073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's not doing anything intensive < 1289756078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but that would hopefully just map to inotify on linux < 1289756082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("fork, execl, failed for this specific reason? wait another few seconds") < 1289756098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm or i could do it inside svmg(8) < 1289756099 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ouch my battery :P < 1289756114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: patches that don't use gamin welcome :) < 1289756123 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh gamin is fine < 1289756127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (looked at the fam api, pretty big added complexity considering how tiny my program is right now) < 1289756128 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well < 1289756133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true < 1289756134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (it doesn't even use stdio) < 1289756139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so inotify then < 1289756147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but i hate linux-centrism :) < 1289756160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at the inotify api < 1289756161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1289756169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about this then: detect-poll.c detect-inotify.c < 1289756175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then select the best one at compile time < 1289756181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could easily add other ones < 1289756191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: otoh, i prefer linux-centrism to *that* :) < 1289756195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rethinks < 1289756206 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, to what? < 1289756212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: added complexity of {shitty impl + good impl} < 1289756215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where nobody really wants the first < 1289756219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1289756228 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because polling would ruin it for laptops < 1289756233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly... < 1289756237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1289756259 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : IN_ATTRIB Metadata changed, e.g., permissions, timestamps, extended attributes, link count (since Linux 2.6.25), UID, GID, etc. (*). < 1289756265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, seems almost exactly like what you want < 1289756268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i could do it in an ENTIRELY NEW WAY :) < 1289756272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, i'll look into it < 1289756283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, inotify is scheduled to be replaced btw < 1289756290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: groan. with what? < 1289756324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there is a new one that unifies dnotify and inotify. fsnotify. Currently it is not exposed to user space, but in 2.6.36 inotify and dnotify are implemented in terms of it < 1289756352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i can barely. contain. my excitement. < 1289756354 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, iirc they couldn't agree on an user space API before 2.6.36 release < 1289756364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that is why it is currently kernel only < 1289756392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe i'll just use SYSV IPC!!11 < 1289756399 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, to do what? < 1289756402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this :P < 1289756407 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is this? < 1289756412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svmg < 1289756415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1289756422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I meant more specifically < 1289756435 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is SIGSEGV actually called that? < 1289756438 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, surely you aren't using this to calculate the dependency graph for example < 1289756449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get the "SIGSEG", but not the 'V'. < 1289756451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, SIG = signal SEG = segmentation V = vfault? < 1289756456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vfault? < 1289756456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, good question < 1289756461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Vyou vhave va vfault!" < 1289756461 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, joke :P < 1289756468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, in this case it's waiting for ./run to become +x < 1289756471 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right ras rususal < 1289756476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because +x = "run this service" -x = "don't" < 1289756486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: would have the same problem if it was presence of "down" file or not to represent that < 1289756491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not a permission-specific problem < 1289756491 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right. That was an useful answer :P < 1289756499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Wasn't it? < 1289756502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1289756503 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The V stands for "violation", apparently. < 1289756528 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, though if you think of a way to use this for dependency calculation you win the price of being (mostly) on topic :P < 1289756556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, of course < 1289756559 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, right < 1289756567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The price of being on topic. It is incalculable. < 1289756586 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, modulo typos :P < 1289756593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's the same word in Swedish < 1289756599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1289756609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here's your price." "But I don't HAVE a million dollars to pay you." "We're giving YOU the million dollars!" < 1289756615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pris for both < 1289756615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALTERNATIVELY < 1289756620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Here's your price." "I'm up for SALE?" < 1289756665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the first one doesn't work. "Här är ditt pris" is unambig. for "here is your price" < 1289756674 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't really ambig. in English either < 1289756685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second one? :P < 1289756705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, no one would interpret it that way. You might have heard of it. Context. < 1289756708 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1289756710 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flubber1 < 1289756717 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers that movie < 1289756726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Barely < 1289756730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo has finally lost all semblance of rational thought, appends 1 to arbitrary things, speaks out of context, and is driven only by nostalgia. < 1289756731 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott,err < 1289756733 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1289756738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wat < 1289756742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, the first one doesn't work. "Här är ditt pris" is unambig. for "here is your price" <-- s/price/prise/ < 1289756742 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1289756747 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm watching the Nostalgia Critic < 1289756754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, your language is confusing < 1289756767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Surprising! < 1289756767 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you use fewer/less but more/more < 1289756775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Actually fewer is dying out a bit... < 1289756777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "10 items or less" < 1289756784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Less than three people" < 1289756793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and inflammable means "likely to catch fire" unlike what the in- prefix normally means. < 1289756797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Probably for the better although the prescriptivists of course whine about it to hell and back. < 1289756803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inflammable has a justification. I think. < 1289756812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: [[The word “inflammable” came from Latin “'inflammāre” = “to set fire to,” where the prefix “'in-”' means “in” as in “inside”, rather than “not” as in “invisible” and “ineligible”. Nonetheless, “inflammable” is often erroneously thought to mean “non-flammable”. To avoid this safety hazard, “flammable”, despite not being the proper Latin-derived t < 1289756812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, is now commonly used on warning labels when referring to physical combustibility.[1]] < 1289756814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*]]] < 1289756816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tl;dr blame Latin < 1289756822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, inaudible should mean "very loud" then :P < 1289756832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "to set audible to"? < 1289756841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[From Latin as if *inflammabilis < inflammare (“to set on fire”) < in (“in, on”) + flamma (“flame”).]] < 1289756846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or that < 1289756889 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually inflammable doesn't mean "to set fire to" today. It means "burns easily". < 1289756925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1289756928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: [[The word “inflammable” came from Latin “'inflammāre” = “to set fire to,” where the prefix “'in-”' means “in” as in “inside”, rather than “not” as in “invisible” and “ineligible”. Nonetheless, “inflammable” is often erroneously thought to mean “non-flammable”. To avoid this safety hazard, “flammable”, despite not being the proper Latin < 1289756928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-derived t < 1289756928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : erm, is now commonly used on warning labels when referring to physical combustibility.[1]] < 1289756930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: plz read ^ < 1289756933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has always meant burns easily < 1289756936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fail at etymology < 1289756966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inflammāre = inflammABLE, as in able to be inflammāre'd, as in able to be set fire to < 1289756971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1289756992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you mean inaudibleable would be the right form? < 1289756994 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1289757000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>__< < 1289757010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly inaudiblable < 1289757023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, (I was joking) < 1289757033 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uninaudible? < 1289757050 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that would mean quiet according to that logic :P < 1289757133 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, I looked at inotify API. What is so bad about it? It is somewhat large due to supporting waiting for many different features. But given it's feature set it seems quite sane < 1289757165 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps writing to the fd would have been a better way to tell it about stuff you wanted though < 1289757179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I would have settled for blockuntilchanged("run"); :P < 1289757192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even blockuntilchanged("run", BUC_PERM); < 1289757195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for permissions) < 1289757200 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well tricky for many files at once < 1289757214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fork() and call blockuntilchanged() a lot < 1289757216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBLEM SOLVED < 1289757219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, XD < 1289757252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, hey, this is basically why svrun(8) exists < 1289757257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because waitpid only takes one pid :) < 1289757257 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I believe upstart uses inotify btw. Also using gamin is probably a bad idea for a service supervisor. What if someone installs fam instead and then makes that start with the supervisor? ;P < 1289757259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i could use wait() < 1289757262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd get messy < 1289757292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err, init *needs* to wait() < 1289757308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, otherwise you will gets lots of processes with status Z. < 1289757314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, yes. but i mean - < 1289757319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't wait() to manage its services < 1289757323 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1289757324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :svrun(8) does that, one per service < 1289757332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am becoming less and less convinced of this design thanks to you, but < 1289757335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more modular! totally! :P < 1289757350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The wait() system call suspends execution of the calling process until one of its children terminates. The call wait(&status) is equivalent to: < 1289757350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : waitpid(-1, &status, 0); < 1289757357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you could use waitpid :P < 1289757369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know :P < 1289757380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can i just say that setsid() and friends are the craziest thing ever? < 1289757459 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is that for process group? < 1289757465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah < 1289757479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: which are just... ugh < 1289757490 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't know what process groups are for, except that shell job control uses it < 1289757496 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are they for? < 1289757618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to do with wait() and things, I *think* < 1289757622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like where zombies go < 1289757632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1289757633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, init needs to wait for any process though < 1289757635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit ball of crap < 1289757658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so I don't think init needs to care about it as such. < 1289757662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In POSIX-conformant operating systems, a process group denotes a collection of one or more processes. Process groups are used to control the distribution of signals. A signal directed to a process group is delivered individually to all of the processes that are members of the group. < 1289757674 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289757676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Blah blah blah special case crap crap." < 1289757704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well. who knows. It isn't something init needs to deal with I think. < 1289757711 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289757716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1289757718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: although shutdown does < 1289757727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it has to become process leader < 1289757730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1289757732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1289757732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, well, some of them < 1289757737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen one shutdown that does it :D < 1289757741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because otherwise it'd kill its parent < 1289757743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1289757750 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1289757766 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, idea: check if existing init, shutdown and so on uses it, if no: ignore it. if yes: check to see what it does, and if it seems reasonable, do the same. < 1289757774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for shutdown it seems reasonable for example < 1289757793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it's different with a service manager < 1289757794 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm < 1289757796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just kill everything blindly < 1289757798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it'll respawn < 1289757802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to kill stuff in the right order < 1289757820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, shouldn't shutdown simply tell the supervisor to do an ordered shutdown? < 1289757838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no reason why the service manager should have anything to do with system halting < 1289757865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: shutdown is many things: "stop all services, sync, make filesystems read-only, kill all processes, tell the kernel to reboot" < 1289757865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, it needs to bring stuff down in an ordered fashion. chmod -x would be a bad idea because that would mess up the next boot < 1289757872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the only one that has anything to do with the service manager is the first one < 1289757874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need some other way to stop it respawning < 1289757881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, yes, so you kill svmg < 1289757884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kills all the svruns < 1289757893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if it runs as pid 1 you get into problems :P < 1289757894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kills all the services < 1289757899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, indeed - i thought of this < 1289757902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think I'm planning to do: < 1289757911 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, separate init and supervisor? < 1289757912 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1289757917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (getpid() == 1) { if (fork()) hang_forever(); } < 1289757919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, just that in svmg < 1289757920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1289757929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you could make init a simple program that just forks and execs the service manager < 1289757930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why bother... < 1289757938 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well init still must wait() < 1289757941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pid 1 must do so < 1289757952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well true. shut up i haven't figured out what to do yet :D < 1289757956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this is rapidly turning into daemontools :) < 1289757961 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hang_forever() could be a wait() loop < 1289757965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1289757986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or runit, the sv(8) interface is basically identical to runit's... < 1289757992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and well, if that wait detects that the fork has exited: "whops" < 1289757998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops* < 1289758012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sv(8) being? < 1289758021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the service management interface < 1289758029 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you mean that you do stuff like chmod -x ? < 1289758030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# sv d tty1 (d = down) < 1289758038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# sv k tty1 (k = SIGKILL) < 1289758044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# sv r tty1 (d then u (up)) < 1289758045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1289758051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it's just a frontend : < 1289758052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:D < 1289758061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? A command wrapping a file system operation‽‽‽ How systemV-ish! < 1289758067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sv d foo = chmod -x /sv/foo/run && kill $(cat /sv/foo/pid) < 1289758076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well no, it does more than the plain fs operations! see above line :P < 1289758125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, presumably so does the the queue thingy. Like locking to prevent two users queueing something to print at the same time messing up stuff < 1289758139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: SHUT UP :) < 1289758145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least with mine it's easy to do manually < 1289758167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, if it isn't then it isn't just a file system command :P < 1289758169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs < 1289758176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs Vorpal to death < 1289758191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION respawns < 1289758254 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 3 seconds away from "fuck it i'm making init a shell script" < 1289758556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: blame gregor: #define DECIMALOF(t) ((sizeof(t)*8)/3) < 1289758653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a shell script? < 1289758658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also what? < 1289758662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :decimalof? < 1289758689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: char s[DECIMALOF(long)]; -- now s can hold the decimal representation of any long < 1289758691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in this case unsigned long < 1289758692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever < 1289758696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, /sbin/init: ignore SIGKILL, spawn service manager, go into wait loop. < 1289758697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: including terminating 0 < 1289758700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is about all for pid 1 < 1289758702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, /sbin/init: ignore SIGKILL, spawn service manager, go into wait loop. < 1289758716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/sbin/init: start service programs, ignore SIGKILL, go into wait loop < 1289758720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK MANAGERS < 1289758721 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes pid 1 can ignore sigkill < 1289758721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1289758730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: including terminating 0 < 1289758732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant s < 1289758734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DECIMALOF :P < 1289758744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :terminating \0 < 1289758756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: char s[DECIMALOF(long)]; -- now s can hold the decimal representation of any long <-- ah cool < 1289758760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1289758765 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it use *8 ? < 1289758767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tl;dr ((sizeof(t)*8)/3) is log_10(2^(t*8)) + 1 + a bit < 1289758770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or + 2, I forget < 1289758772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should use CHAR_BITS < 1289758774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where a bit increases every time < 1289758775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: err right < 1289758778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did in the previous one < 1289758780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *CHAR_BIT btw < 1289758784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1289758788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that always annoy me < 1289758796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: now tell me why pid_t is signed < 1289758798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHYYYY < 1289758802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, every time I use CHAR_BIT I first get a compile time error because CHAR_BITS is undefied :P < 1289758806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is *required* to be signed) < 1289758811 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :% typos < 1289758842 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well how else would you be able to use negative values to mean special things :P < 1289758847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: not saying this is a good idea) < 1289758853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it is what is done iirc) < 1289758863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah e.g. waitpid(-1, ...) < 1289758868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why not do it like getchar < 1289758870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use an int < 1289758874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and -1 from fork to mean "couldn't fork" iirc < 1289758875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess cus < 1289758876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1289758879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INT_MAX < 1289758883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be smaller than PID_T_MAX < 1289758884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1289758894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it with c's obsession of using special values < 1289758900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with multiple functions < 1289758916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, getchar returns a signed int though < 1289758934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but a signed int can definitely store a char in its positive values < 1289758935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in fact char is signed on my systems at least. < 1289758938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how char can be signed < 1289758938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1289758940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck unix < 1289758950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i love how char can be signed ugh fuck unix < 1289758951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1289758957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :changed your mind in the middle? < 1289758967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just sarcastic to begin with? < 1289758969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "love" < 1289758993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can tell these posix people were all -- oh, let's be accepting, who knows what exciting futuristic systems will appear using this leeway? < 1289759000 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually char being signed is the most consistent option. Since int and long are signed < 1289759000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and then they go and restrain it in far less trivial matters < 1289759003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus making the whole thing moot < 1289759009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they're idiots, see. < 1289759010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1289759020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, actually char being signed is the most consistent option. Since int and long are signed < 1289759028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but have uchar be the type of char IO stuff < 1289759037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I agree on that < 1289759048 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, typedef unsigned char uchar; I guess < 1289759060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah. and while we're at it, can we have iN mean intN_t? < 1289759070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uN for uintN_t? just trying to get some more readability in here... < 1289759076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, typedef is your friend < 1289759086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that and stdint.h from C99 < 1289759092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sure, and it should be the POSIX/C committees' friend too < 1289759095 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some do use that convention, yes < 1289759102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, I meant, have iN instead of intN_t and the like < 1289759110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: really what we need to do is s/char/byte/ < 1289759119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :biggest mistake of them all it hink < 1289759120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*i think < 1289759121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well. they couldn't add it outside a header, that would break stuff < 1289759131 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1289759134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm speaking from a time machine perspective < 1289759137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go back in time, fix shit before it happens < 1289759179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1289759180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1289759180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :main() { < 1289759180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pid_t p=30056; < 1289759180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : printf("spawned pid %d\n",p); < 1289759180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1289759186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders wtf this program is doing in minit < 1289759186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erlang gets it right there. Strings have nothing to do with byte arrays. Nor does it with lists as such. You can use a byte array to encode a string of course, But that is quite different from byte arrays being strings < 1289759193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice debugging i guess :) < 1289759212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the problem with unicode is that it's fucked up to use, not even codepoints = actual characters < 1289759220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of combiningsss < 1289759224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with arabic, just give up and shoot yourself < 1289759230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo" is [$f, $o, $o ] (where $f means ascii value of f and so on) <<"foo">> would be a byte array of foo < 1289759234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more everyone else's fault rather than unicode :) < 1289759255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, without combining stuff they would get combinatorial explosion < 1289759272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: some would argue they already have :) < 1289759311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, for compatibility in a lot of the cases. < 1289759332 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you need. Otherwise no one will use the thing. < 1289759340 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it would be too much work. < 1289759344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's sad. < 1289759362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION forgot to seed tru64, restarts it (ratio = 0.77) < 1289759378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: found an alpha emulator that works? < 1289759385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHARON-AXP is enterprisey to the max and i couldn't get it going < 1289759426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, fefe actually replaced /bin/sh in minit because it's slow < 1289759554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" could < 1289759556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write something to /proc/1/fd/3 and read answer from /proc/1/fd/4" < 1289759560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's IPC i can get behind < 1289759705 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, $1000 to $8000 to extend your tru64 license to charon-axp < 1289759776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: lol < 1289759785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: go find an alpha emulator that works that we can either pirate or get free < 1289759786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOGOGO < 1289759945 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't there be a bunch of open-source emulators with alpha support? < 1289759962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you'd think. < 1289759963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, had no time to check for one < 1289759965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i have not found one yet. < 1289759967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, been writing a report today < 1289759974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: qemu-alpha exists but not qemu-system-alpha < 1289760023 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I see < 1289760035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i.e. qemu can run alpha linux binaries < 1289760035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the course uses python. But I think the teacher dislikes the language. At one point in a lecture he paused and said "or am I mixing that up with haskell?" about some behaviour (forgot which behaviour) < 1289760038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not emulate an alpha system < 1289760044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: :D < 1289760090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh and we have another course using C++, but it is quite apparent that the teacher prefers something else, objc style or such I suspect. But orders from higher up it seems... < 1289760112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: compile a haskell implementation to python somehow < 1289760119 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, plus points for referring to haskell, but how the hell can you mix up haskell and python? < 1289760119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :submit all assignments written in haskell bundled with that < 1289760121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1289760122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :profit < 1289760130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "about some behaviour" < 1289760150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I don't know. He was saying something about range() being lazy or some such iirc. And then that comment. < 1289760161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's xrange < 1289760172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no it isn't. Only python 3 on lab computers < 1289760183 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for elliott to explode < 1289760209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: arch users eh < 1289760225 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, most of them run windows so I doubt it. < 1289760230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows xp pro btw. < 1289760271 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw, during the first lecture the teacher in the course using python said "I would have preferred LISP but then half the course would have been spent learning it first" < 1289760308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1289760310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *Lisp < 1289760320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, he didn't actually shout it :P < 1289760339 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead you spend half the course learning python? :) < 1289760361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's so inchewittive < 1289760416 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also he has the beefiest laptop (though I hesitate to call a 17" that) I have ever seen. It has huge air exhausts on the back. He said something about that he has a course using GPU programming as well though. So that might be why. < 1289760438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or he's just a gaming loser :P < 1289760519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, should I learn Common Lisp? < 1289760543 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I doubt it. < 1289760548 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he doesn't look like the type < 1289760552 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, can you PLEASE make your mind up about SOMETHING just once, ever? < 1289760556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how about we try this magical thing where < 1289760561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think about a decision < 1289760563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weigh up the options < 1289760568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then decide it paying NO ATTENTION AT ALL to who agrees or not < 1289760573 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, we aren't you're personal thinking assistant. < 1289760576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead using logic and your judgement < 1289760576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*assistants < 1289760585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because opinions don't matter if they're wrong < 1289760587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how about it? < 1289760603 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but that laptop looks like the only step up would be a w700ds or whatever the insane lenovo model is called. And even then it would only be a step up in insanity. It would be a step down in air exhaust size < 1289760614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: :D < 1289760660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you how 12 cell batteries? The air exhaust thingy sticks out about as much behind the monitor. If only I knew the brand... < 1289760666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate software < 1289760667 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :acer or asus or some such I think < 1289760778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : because opinions don't matter if they're wrong <-- are you saying your opinions *are* wrong? < 1289760823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if they're wrong, then yes. < 1289760830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably aren't though, 'cuz i'm a genius < 1289760832 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, alternatively: Hm good idea. ... I decided to not make more decisions and start asking everyone again! < 1289760856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Sgeo ever lost his internet connection and was like < 1289760859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out in the woods < 1289760860 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or alternative alternatively: Should I make up my own mind? < 1289760861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant comedy show < 1289760867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: heh < 1289760876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I decided that based on evidence A, B, and C, that D. Is this correct? < 1289760911 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, would be funny. But just waaay to unrealistic. Too sensible :P < 1289760986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware is so expensive < 1289760990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway that more/more vs. less/fewer thing bothers me in English. Swedish is consistent there. Separate words for both. < 1289761006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can get a silent computer of the power I want even if I empty my account :P < 1289761016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'd prefer more/more less/less to be honest < 1289761022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh easy solution: kvm extended < 1289761023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it does sound a bit odd < 1289761025 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extender* < 1289761036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lame, i want to twiddle bits < 1289761038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uh < 1289761040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reset button < 1289761042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you put it in the next room. Unless you have paper walls... < 1289761043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1289761045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere to put it really < 1289761049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1289761076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, reset button shouldn't be required. And isn't very often. When it is you could get up and walk 10 steps :P < 1289761076 0 :Decarabia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1289761078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"next room" is the landing < 1289761086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really think of anywhere it would go without HUEG CABLE < 1289761089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw did you see tru64 to 1.0 ratio or better? < 1289761096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bah! that would ruin my figure < 1289761101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 0.81 atm < 1289761103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still going < 1289761108 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1289761109 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah good. I seeded to 1.50 < 1289761110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot to put it on this morning, restarted it a while ago like i said < 1289761118 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm missed that you said that < 1289761152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, regular desktop/gamer ram isn't ECC is it? < 1289761155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to buy server RAM < 1289761175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, regular desktop mobos often don't make good use of ECC according to djb < 1289761191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, i've seen. but not from the reliable manufacturers, i don't think < 1289761193 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as in they detect it and run with it. < 1289761197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1289761199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: e.g. I'd expect an ASUS board that claims to support ECC to work fine < 1289761204 0 :Decarabia!~root@S010600240171528a.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1289761210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you probably don't want a server mobo though < 1289761211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he was more singling out a few manufacturers i'd never heard of, probably cheapy sorta stuff < 1289761215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also that page is quite old < 1289761217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no server mobo :) < 1289761219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a good desktop one < 1289761246 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know someone who bought a server mobo. Performance was awesome but sound level of the fans required? uh... < 1289761268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and the BIOS takes 2 minutes! < 1289761274 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289761276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes they often do < 1289761281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but what is the reference? < 1289761287 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seen that behaviour myself < 1289761303 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems more like a fact rather than a reference < 1289761306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1289761330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:26:40 " On typical PC servers a reboot is < 1289761331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:26:40 quite lengthy: the BIOS takes two minutes, the kernel takes 20 seconds, and < 1289761331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:26:40 the boot scripts take 30-90 seconds." < 1289761331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:26:45 * elliott wonders what kind of bios takes that long < 1289761331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:29:25 a server bios? :) < 1289761331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:29:33 olsner: still! :) < 1289761333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:29:52 admittedly this is from 2004, but still < 1289761335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:30:16 elliott, hi. < 1289761341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the minit slides :P < 1289761358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I even saw one that displayed system information and then did a 30 second count down waiting for you to press keys to enter bios setup before continuing boot! < 1289761365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1289761374 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, couldn't be turned off < 1289761398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup seems Desktop Memory newegg category has no ecc < 1289761410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :server ram does < 1289761411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but IPMI or whatever it is called is nice < 1289761418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But dude, server RAM is *slow*!" < 1289761420 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you actually get *names* for the sensors < 1289761424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are meaningful < 1289761431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how you can get fast ram. just hilarious < 1289761432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: lawl < 1289761440 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than temp1, temp2, temp3, fan1, fan2, fan3 < 1289761445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1289761480 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because the names are provided by the board. < 1289761482 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why it works < 1289761504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why would server ram be slow? < 1289761507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i would buy a motherboard called smörgåsbord < 1289761516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it isn't, it's just that desktop ram (can be) "fast" < 1289761518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAS latency, timings, blah blah blah < 1289761520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all irrelevant of course < 1289761543 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm I should manufacture one then price it very high < 1289761548 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was one of a kind :P < 1289761564 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, should give me a nice profit since you did a blanket statement there < 1289761579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1289761589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheapest amd processor: " AMD Sempron 140 Sargas 2.7GHz Socket AM3 45W Single-Core Processor SDX140HBGQBOX < 1289761591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * 45 nm Sargas < 1289761591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * 1MB L2 Cache" < 1289761591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$32.99 < 1289761592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK YEAH < 1289761607 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wonder how much cache non-semprons have then < 1289761616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, considering that is a lot more than my old sempron has < 1289761628 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than the core2 duo in my laptop < 1289761632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not as much per core actually for the phenoms! < 1289761634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but then they have l3 cache < 1289761636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*L3 < 1289761643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# L2 Cache: 3 x 512KB < 1289761643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# L3 Cache: 6MB < 1289761647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a 3-core phenom < 1289761652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache size : 128 KB < 1289761654 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my semrpon < 1289761663 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sempron* < 1289761682 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, even that old p3 I have has twice as much cache < 1289761686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone oughta go into business selling processors that aren't intel and don't suck < 1289761688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1289761708 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, sempron is their cheap line < 1289761717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a phenom would suck less < 1289761732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, i meant in general < 1289761736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1289761738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phenoms suck because they're really hot and power-consuming < 1289761743 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1289761752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well so are the lower end ones < 1289761757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the phenoms even moreso < 1289761764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so get a supermegaultraextraspecialplus < 1289761791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of more words like that to add < 1289761803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: supermegaultraextraspecialplus *what*? < 1289761821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, joking about silly name for the megahalem replacement < 1289761829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1289761844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the problem is airflow, even if you have the biggest heatsinks ever, if they're too close and no air is blowing... < 1289761846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why you use heatpipes < 1289761846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1289761854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1289761891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or hm... hook it up the the AC of the building? If it has that < 1289761915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this is britain, why would we need *cooling down*? :) < 1289761918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1289761918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure this is a terrible idea, but I can't think of why < 1289761921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true < 1289761941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, here we could just put a heatsink on the roof for all but 3 months of the year < 1289761963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, you could do it all year around. Doesn't it rain over there almost always? < 1289761975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: absolutely, in fact we're permanently wet < 1289761980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually we just drench our carpets so we feel like we fit in < 1289761996 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, actually snow is a good insulator iirc. So the roof thing wouldn't work very well < 1289761996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway no reason you can't just put the heatsink on the roof in the summer time < 1289762007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's away from the components, that's what's important < 1289762008 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed not in the summer < 1289762009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter how hot it is < 1289762016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why not? < 1289762017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1289762026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i mean, as long as you're not totally overtaxing it < 1289762033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you get a big enough radiator, it shouldn't be an issue < 1289762035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wouldn't it be too hot. You know. What would make the heat travel? < 1289762035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1289762044 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the temperature difference < 1289762056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the "cool" end isn't very cool... < 1289762064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it couldn't work very well < 1289762126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, say it is 30 C outside in the shadow (this happens for about 1 week in late July or early August in Sweden most summers). Then if it is on the roof and the sun is shining directly on it, it will be considerably hotter. < 1289762144 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means cooling wouldn't really work < 1289762163 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm thinking heatpipes and passive heatsink here < 1289762185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :during the winter it would work very well probably < 1289762202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no? < 1289762231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1289762242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well ok it does need to cool < 1289762247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 C is probably not workable < 1289762261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but if you have a heatsink on the roof why not just put a gigantic fan on it... < 1289762263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :industrial strength < 1289762312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because I'm on the upper floor and it would be just 2-3 meters away < 1289762329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: have it go at like 2rpm :P < 1289762351 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wouldn't do anything much then would it? < 1289762381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bah! < 1289762391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: could just watercool < 1289762394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: put the pump on the roof < 1289762401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i doubt any pump could be loud enough to hear from 2-3 meters away < 1289762449 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway with the 45 degree slope on this roof it would be tricky < 1289762510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway is water cooling loud or? < 1289762522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you use fans yes. if you don't, no < 1289762540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "passively", you have a big radiator, and a pretty quiet pump < 1289762550 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and no air in the system < 1289762552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: away from the pump, the only "noise" is coolant passing through the soft circular pipes < 1289762558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: which i'm sure you'll agree is noiseless :P < 1289762598 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stirling engine! < 1289762601 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, depends. running the water tap on full certainly isn't silent in the next room < 1289762602 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's still a moving part. < 1289762609 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stirling engine! < 1289762611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hardly the same situation < 1289762613 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how would that help actual cooling as such? < 1289762618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But it's still etc. < 1289762628 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It pumps stuff without needing additional power! < 1289762643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it needs the opposite end to be cool < 1289762652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway passive is more fun < 1289762662 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PFFFFf < 1289762696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, somehow some core2 duo cpus manage to make a tiny high pitched noise when entering C4 < 1289762717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: capacitor noise and shit. < 1289762725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: in fact people who silence their computers end up hearing *LCD whine* (not kidding) < 1289762739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah. I heard the cpu noise sometimes on my thinkpad < 1289762745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: after they solve that, well... some purport to hearing the capacitors, but who can tell between that and tinnitus? < 1289762763 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can tell by watching powertop that it is related to wakeups from C4 < 1289762797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that with thousand of wakeups per second from deeper sleep state it sounds kind of like a CRT < 1289762861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also some usb stuff cause it < 1289762880 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also just deliberately deafen yourself. < 1289762890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tinnitus + deaf. HELL YEAH < 1289762894 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1289762913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm sure it isn't tunnitus. well known mobile Core 2 Duo issue < 1289762936 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and limiting deepest cstate with the boot parameter works < 1289762940 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you theoretically speaking build some sort of concatenated-peltier-elements tube to move heat far enough away? < 1289762960 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the Blue Waters supercomputer will total around 9.6TB of on-die L3 cache < 1289762969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, possibly but you would need a hell of a lot of cooling at the remote end I think < 1289762989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, how many CPUs? < 1289762989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I meant fizzie < 1289762997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: now make it persistent! < 1289763004 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's 300000 times 32MB < 1289763015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, you could do Peltier cooling. But... not very practical. < 1289763020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, 300 000 CPUs!? < 1289763023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1289763032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, how many dedicated power plants? < 1289763056 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Were're going solid-state with disks, why not cooling too. Just out of principle, I mean. < 1289763069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, liquid nitrogen cooling. Don't forget to refill though < 1289763079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes... we're talking about solid-state coolers. < 1289763081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Copper heatpipes + radiator. < 1289763086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Far more practical than Peltier. < 1289763095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And done in practice, too, many times. < 1289763116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just say that hyperthreading is genius? < 1289763120 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, peltier has been done in practise. So has liquid nitrogen < 1289763129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many times though < 1289763137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Darn, we have all this time when the CPU is just hung waiting for IO." "Uhh... can't we just run other code while that happens?" "...sure, why not." < 1289763145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Can I just say that hyperthreading is genius? <-- except that it doesn't work very well iirc < 1289763159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it does < 1289763167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: most of the flames against it were from idiots < 1289763174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so why wasn't it in core 2 duo? < 1289763178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: basically if what you're doing is CPU-bound, of course it won't help < 1289763183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if what you're doing is IO-bound, it helps immensely < 1289763188 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it was in P4 < 1289763189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since all that time waiting for IO is spent running code < 1289763192 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, memory bound too < 1289763197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache and so on < 1289763198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1289763207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, Pentium 4 was single-core < 1289763212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO bound: doubt it would help much. It would be up to system calls anyway < 1289763212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperthreading is more useful with multiple cores, I'd say < 1289763218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's mainly helpful for parallel tasks < 1289763226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway Core 2 had a lot of things and didn't have a lot of other things < 1289763232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think hyperthreading worked very well in the Pentium 4 < 1289763235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like most things about the P4 < 1289763237 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, core 2 was damn good though < 1289763238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they took a step back < 1289763246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was < 1289763255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the best processor innovations i can remember < 1289763265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, very good performer. The mario of CPUs. (see tvtropes if you have no idea what I'm talking about) < 1289763277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat :P < 1289763283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, Core 2 is being discontinued this year < 1289763293 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sad < 1289763293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[With the launch of 32 nm processors in the upcoming months, Intel has scheduled to discontinue some Atom, Celeron, Pentium, Core 2, and even Core i7 models. The Core 2 Quad Q8200, Q8200S, Q9400, and Q9400S are scheduled to be discontinued in 2010.[9] Intel may also rebadge some Core 2 processors in the E7xxx, E8xxx, Q8xxx, Q9xxx and Wolfdale series as Core i3 processors, together with new Core i3 pro < 1289763295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cessors using the 45 nm Nehalem microarchitecture.[10][11]]] < 1289763299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheMario < 1289763302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: eh. Nehalem is better < 1289763312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but stop buying Intel! :) < 1289763330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed. < 1289763344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, instead deal with crappy processors < 1289763344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I haven't bought Intel for desktop for years < 1289763348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your illusion of freedom is REAL! < 1289763355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: illusion of freedom actually illusory.) < 1289763369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, opencores or something < 1289763396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, Sun opened up those SPARC processors < 1289763397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're actually useful < 1289763406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, before oracle I assume? < 1289763437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: er yes < 1289763442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four fully open source implementations of the SPARC architecture exist. < 1289763444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * LEON, a 32-bit, single-thread SPARC Version 8 implementation, designed especially for space use. Source code is written in VHDL, and licensed under the GPL. < 1289763444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * RAMP Gold, a 32-bit, 64-thread SPARC Version 8 implementation, designed for FPGA-based architecture simulation. RAMP Gold is written in ~36,000 lines of Systemverilog, and licensed under the BSD licenses. < 1289763444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * OpenSPARC T1, released in 2006, a 64-bit, 32-thread implementation conforming to the UltraSPARC Architecture 2005 and to SPARC Version 9 (Level 1). Source code is written in Verilog, and licensed under many licenses. Most OpenSPARC T1 source code is licensed under the GPL. Source based on existent open source projects will continue to be licensed under their current licenses. Binary programs are < 1289763446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :licensed under a binary software license agreement. < 1289763449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o S1, a 64-bit Wishbone compliant CPU core based on the OpenSPARC T1 design. It is a single UltraSPARC v9 core capable of 4 way SMT. Like the T1, the source code is licensed under the GPL. < 1289763451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * OpenSPARC T2, released in 2008, a 64-bit, 64-thread implementation conforming to the UltraSPARC Architecture 2007 and to SPARC Version 9 (Level 1). Source code is written in Verilog, and licensed under many licenses. Most OpenSPARC T2 source code is licensed under the GPL. Source based on existent open source projects will continue to be licensed under their current licenses. Binary programs are < 1289763455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :licensed under a binary Software License Agreement. < 1289763456 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interesting parts are probably patented, just in case anyone manages to do something useful with the opencore thing < 1289763457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opensparc are the sun ones < 1289763462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# UltraSPARC T1 – Sun's first multicore and multithread CPU (code-named "Niagara") < 1289763464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# UltraSPARC T2 – The successor to T1 < 1289763466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1289763468 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1289763475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1289763479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i miss P < 1289763481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:P < 1289763487 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "The [Peltier] effect is used in satellites and spacecraft to counter the effect of direct sunlight on one side of a craft by dissipating the heat over the cold shaded side, whereupon the heat is dissipated by thermal radiation into space." < 1289763491 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1289763496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1289763499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1289763507 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure open-source in hardware design will really get going as soon as they make it possible to reify designs with the press of a button. Maybe with some sort of progammable Star Trek replicator. < 1289763537 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought fpga:s already did that? < 1289763550 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this is quite interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_cooling#Uses < 1289763568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fpags :P < 1289763573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait < 1289763575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGsA < 1289763578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Surgeons General < 1289763581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Field Programmable Gates Array < 1289763581 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what < 1289763583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Array is an adjective < 1289763587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gates are arary < 1289763589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*array < 1289763593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGAs < 1289763599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, FPGaS < 1289763600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what he said was correct < 1289763601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1289763603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGsA < 1289763606 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the caps < 1289763610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: e.g. plural of Surgeon General isn't Surgeon Generals < 1289763611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who cares about them < 1289763614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Surgeons General < 1289763623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is Array, an adjective (the field programmable gates are array) < 1289763629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's field programmable gates array < 1289763630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPGsA < 1289763634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he used the Swedish construct to make plural of abbreviations < 1289763640 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of < 1289763647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be FPGA:er in Swedish < 1289763668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how Vorpal is listening to me < 1289763677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I have a silly filter :P < 1289763729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all plurals should be like Surgeons General really < 1289763732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesomes people < 1289763741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Awesomes person < 1289763743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoterics member < 1289763745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about that open thingy to make stuff in plastic < 1289763747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the name < 1289763749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FEAR... #esoteric's member) < 1289763763 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is suregons general? < 1289763772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suregon. < 1289763785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Surgeons General is the plural of Surgeon General. < 1289763794 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh < 1289763797 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've forgotten the name also, but it still has some way to go before you can print a processor with it. < 1289763798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgeon_General_of_the_United_States < 1289763800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it actually is < 1289763804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Surgeon Generals" is incorrect < 1289763805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, but that doesn't work. < 1289763805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess it is due to military word order? < 1289763819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Surgeon General = the General Surgeon < 1289763821 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only applies for compounds. < 1289763822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the General Surgeons < 1289763823 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a hand-built "3D printer" at one stand at Altparty, I think. < 1289763823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sane word order would be "General Suregons" yeah < 1289763825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surgeons General < 1289763827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I KNOW BUT SHUT UP < 1289763839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They got it to print circuits. < 1289763843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Simple ones. < 1289763856 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, link? < 1289763856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, whoever has ever said "#esoteric member"? < 1289763859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what was the name? < 1289763868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i forget < 1289763871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaargh < 1289763874 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Member of #esoteric" is surely the normal form? < 1289763874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Your mom. < 1289763876 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has everyone forgot the name? < 1289763883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.google.com/search?q=self-replicating+3d+printer < 1289763885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Google hasn't. < 1289763896 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah reprap < 1289763899 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the RepRap? < 1289763899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "courts martial" too < 1289763901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1289763912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't actually self-replicate, though. < 1289763913 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes you are insane < 1289763917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English that is < 1289763921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not you as in first person < 1289763923 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1289763926 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :second person < 1289763927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1289763934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather < 1289763940 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not you as in second person *singular* < 1289764013 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first-person you, for all you out-of-body travellers. < 1289764035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1289764061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or time travelers < 1289764087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There is no second person plural in English, however in many variant languages -- mainly American -- "y'all" is. < 1289764090 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :izzie, or time travellers < 1289764090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MORE YOU KNOW < 1289764093 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1289764095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Izzie. < 1289764096 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laaag < 1289764102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf caused that < 1289764107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multi-second lag < 1289764110 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while < 1289764124 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Izzie sounds very lizardy. < 1289764140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't see what I was typing :P < 1289764155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so up arrow and then wtf < 1289764156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Lizzie. < 1289764180 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't English have second person plural = second person singular < 1289764202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well. sort of. < 1289764204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes! < 1289764209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"y'all" is unambiguous but hicky :) < 1289764221 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hicky? < 1289764324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hick-esque. of or akin to the manners of a hick < 1289764344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm reprap is version 2 now. < 1289764350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot more interesting than the old one indeed < 1289764356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks less messy too < 1289764483 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, here's the underground tree I mentioned: http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree1.png http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree2.png < 1289764524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, very nice. Do you need the torches as well, or would the sunlight be enough? < 1289764548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be enough for it to grow. < 1289764555 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course then it'd be pretty dark down there at night-time. < 1289764562 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1289764584 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the waterfall doesn't go all the way up? < 1289764588 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, incidentally, FS2 no longer crashes my computer. < 1289764594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it comes out of the wall at one point. < 1289764594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just runs slowly. < 1289764601 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can swim up it, of course. < 1289764605 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inexplicably so. < 1289764707 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even under circumstances under which it ran fine. < 1289764782 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT MY OLD DRIVERS BACK < 1289764858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, FS2? < 1289764904 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The 3D printer at altparty was in fact a built RepRap, it seems. < 1289764918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, version 1 or 2? < 1289764946 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Version 2. < 1289764950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice < 1289765055 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was made by the folks of Helsinki Hacklab, which is this 100-square-metres apartment filled with tools and other such stuff, for people who like to build stuff but don't have suitable spaces in their homes. < 1289765101 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, FreeSpace 2. < 1289765107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a thing for space sims. < 1289765112 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also "almost works". < 1289765137 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1289765140 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wine? < 1289765151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no. < 1289765151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had it with them at Assembly, and it didn't work there; at Altparty it I think sort-of maybe worked. < 1289765155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeSpace_2_Source_Code_Project < 1289765157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Platform(s) Linux, Mac OS X, Windows < 1289765159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1289765159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1289765162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source was released and GPLed. < 1289765166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice < 1289765174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the data files are still proprietary. < 1289765181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts it on queue of cool things to try < 1289765192 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not DRMed or anything, though, so torrenting is trivial < 1289765205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree2.png Not that deep! :P < 1289765232 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh, looks like 10 above the bedrock or such? < 1289765233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 20 < 1289765242 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like 10, right. < 1289765256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pretty near the sea level at the top right? < 1289765264 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, it's actually pretty far up. < 1289765267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why not build the tree on bedrock? :P < 1289765276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm? really? < 1289765284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A moment and I'll screen-shot. < 1289765301 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also how did you dig that? I found vertical shafts a pita to dig without risk of dying < 1289765319 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also lots of pickaxes for 4x4 that long < 1289765328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He might have staircased it and then emptied it. < 1289765345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No health-checks in multiplayer. :p < 1289765349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes but emptying it is kind of tricky I found. Even if starting from the top < 1289765353 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah right < 1289765366 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though I built a 5x5 vertical shaft with no falls. It's not like you have to dig blocks below yourself.) < 1289765374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also infinite diamond pickaxes. < 1289765383 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 blocks from top of bedrock to the tree. < 1289765390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I tried multiplayer yesterday but I hit a sheep, saw the wool fall and then couldn't pick the wool up < 1289765403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplayer for Vorpal here means single-player multiplayer. < 1289765404 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, then later another sheep turned into a pig and then back into a sheep < 1289765417 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's not very finished yet. < 1289765419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes I tried local server, because I didn't know any good one < 1289765438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure fizzie will be glad to have you on his server! < 1289765465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, maybe I should just stop using a laptop for everything. < 1289765472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's so INEFFICIENT! < 1289765512 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't run it, I don't know how that goes. < 1289765527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do you ever actually move it? < 1289765551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a beefed up laptop and external monitor < 1289765554 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, occasionally! < 1289765570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: eliminates portability < 1289765571 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I don't actually think this laptop *can* be beefed up. < 1289765593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He meant buy a new one... < 1289765599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed I did < 1289765600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1289765621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptops seldom can be beefed up much compared to when you buy them very much apart from adding more ram or replacing hdd. < 1289765623 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I already have a portable laptop, so getting another and then making it stationary seems like overkill. < 1289765634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :service manual stuff tends to be about replacing with same < 1289765646 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replacing with better is unlikely to wkrk < 1289765647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :work* < 1289765650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wkrk. < 1289765658 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Okay, maybe "far up" was a bit of an exaggeration: http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree3.png (The blue thing in the corner is sea-level, and the glass thing is the roof of the tree place, so that's about 20-25 blocks above sea.) < 1289765666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the keys are diagonally next to each other :P < 1289765686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would buy a supercomputer just to get the highest-quality Minecraft. < 1289765695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, tree place? < 1289765702 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1289765707 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I read that as < 1289765710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tree palace < 1289765712 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1289765718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Looks very high up to me. Cloud-level. < 1289765719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Looks very high up to me. Cloud-level. < 1289765721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one of them < 1289765739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought cloud was above the max altitude... < 1289765747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just above the max altitude < 1289765750 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can go pretty far above clouds. < 1289765754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been above a cloud before. < 1289765758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1289765758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not far though. < 1289765766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just -- the cloud was at, like, leg level. < 1289765770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1289765771 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is it random between games or? < 1289765805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, because I was at max altitude and clouds were just above me I know... < 1289765818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's different between singleplayer/multiplayer. < 1289765822 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah < 1289765825 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might also be randomized for single-player games. < 1289765828 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why though < 1289765828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all I know. < 1289765837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, don't play any single player < 1289765838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1289765919 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not much. This is how far up you can build, at least on this server: http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree4.png < 1289765947 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it's pretty hard to judge distances down, I don't think that other house peak is at maximum level. < 1289765974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh. Doesn't look like altitude is 127 above bedrock there < 1289765980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your ocean is very high < 1289766032 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do all of you get Minecraft? < 1289766037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's name is Fizzie Fizzie. < 1289766042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or fizzie flatulence. < 1289766046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 'cuz itz rad < 1289766062 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, surely you don't have it? < 1289766064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also why do you build wooden houses that large? I get the point for early game shelter < 1289766068 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :during night < 1289766087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For style, of course. < 1289766088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I bought it. So yes. < 1289766090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's awesome. < 1289766097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it can burn easily though < 1289766099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people prefer more natural, living materials. < 1289766111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what? reeds? cactuses? < 1289766121 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a CREDIT CARD < 1289766135 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have in my single-player game a 2x2 log-trunk in the middle of my otherwise-stone building. < 1289766154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Some people prefer more natural, living materials. < 1289766155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pigs!" < 1289766164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, personally I go for "creeper-proof" which means I test with TNT just outside to make sure it is safe. Which means obsidian for the lower parts of the walls < 1289766205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes but that doesn't risk the whole thing burning down :P < 1289766259 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I would like is moving structures, like a drawbridge or such < 1289766260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: This is a maximum-height shaft on that server: http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree5.png -- the platform the picture was taken from is 3 blocks down from the highest possible build altitude, and the platform at bottom is about 4 blocks above top of bedrock. < 1289766263 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be awesome < 1289766266 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a landing platform for jumping down.) < 1289766299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you need to add water there when notch implements health :P < 1289766308 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting for a cloud to pass through the tower so that I can count how much higher the top of the tower is from the clouds; I just missed getting a screenshot of one. < 1289766333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*through* the tower. Hah < 1289766341 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any other game it would be considered a bug < 1289766342 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they don't bother going around. < 1289766344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it is a feature < 1289766356 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit annoying, actually, they reduce the visibility by quite a lot. < 1289766367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed they would. < 1289766407 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how did you pay? Surely you don't have a credit card? < 1289766431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's an interesting question indeed < 1289766457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might patent "a system by which a credit card is permitted to be used to purchase goods in exchange for the total cash sum of the purchase." < 1289766461 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, I have a rooftop tree too: http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree6.png < 1289766474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, I do have a "card", one of those Switch or Solo or whatever it is, but it's not as if anything accepts it.) < 1289766481 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what happens if you place a sapling at max alt? < 1289766503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No idea. Maybe it won't grow much. Maybe it will crash the game. < 1289766519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, there's a cloud now: the max alt is ~15 blocks from the top of the cloud. < 1289766534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm someone with nice bw and memory should start an esoteric minecraft server. Except that we have too many people not interested in that type of gameplay < 1289766548 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, screenshot? < 1289766557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not inside the tower? < 1289766565 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't happen to be inside. < 1289766569 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building a BF interpreter in Minecraft? < 1289766572 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah, gave up waiting? < 1289766584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Went to take that rooftop tree picture. < 1289766592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, murphy's law < 1289766608 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so wait, how *did* you pay, then? < 1289766616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I might patent "a system by which a credit card is permitted to be used to purchase goods in exchange for the total cash sum of the purchase." < 1289766625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm someone with nice bw and memory should start an esoteric minecraft server. Except that we have too many people not interested in that type of gameplay < 1289766629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put it on the server once I get it going... < 1289766640 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You asked someone with a credit card? < 1289766640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it requires *that* much memory :P < 1289766663 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bibbles at reddit downness < 1289766664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The brick chimney there goes straight down to my fireplace; it looks pretty interesting when seen from the top: http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree7.png < 1289766674 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Part of it is stone since it's the outer wall of the building.) < 1289766679 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, don't fall whatever you do < 1289766689 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you die? What happens if you do? < 1289766697 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, it's not like the fire would *hurt* you; again, multiplayer. :p < 1289766699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, not in multiplayer yet < 1289766704 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in single player: yes < 1289766710 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you respawn, inventory lost < 1289766718 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :respawn at the spawn point that is < 1289766753 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289766785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It turns out that parental overlords often possess instruments of payment. < 1289766789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also turns out that I can afford Minecraft. < 1289766804 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Though falling down would be a bit annoying, since you can't get out without breaking the fireplace, since the gap between the floor/fire and start of the chimney is just one block high: http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree8.png < 1289766807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not exactly some esoteric magick. < 1289766819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, but it's so... inelegant. < 1289766826 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Þou fooliſh knave! Þere be no ſecond perſon *ſingular* pronoun! < 1289766841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, hey, I did buy an album with that Switch or Solo or whatever but it's expired by now and I'm lazy. < 1289766843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So little accepts it. < 1289766846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PayPal might, but eh. < 1289766875 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can't you get visa electron or such? I got that when I was like 15 iirc. then got full visa when I was like 20 (could have got it at 18 but, meh, didn't bother changing card until I needed something that worked in those "not connected to the system" payment systems. Like on trains and such. < 1289766884 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1289766892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's something "like" that, as I said it's called Switch or Solo or something. < 1289766897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But there are a lot of places that don'at accept it... < 1289766899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't < 1289766906 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-153.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1289766917 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but the electron thingy works in a lot of places. Like on the buses (but not on the trains) < 1289766937 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you could easily replace it? brick is broken into brick after all < 1289766947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and you would be standing close enough it couldn't catch fire < 1289766962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would it even catch fire? Or is that just lava? < 1289766979 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that destroys items < 1289766980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1289766988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lava, I think. < 1289767000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a card of some form, but I have no idea where it is. < 1289767041 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did you notice my absurdly extravagant "solid block of diamond as a torch-holder" thing there?-) < 1289767061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed. < 1289767077 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like I'd have much use for it since things don't wear out. < 1289767078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and wtf. How can you get that much diamond < 1289767082 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1289767091 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just 9 gems to get a block. < 1289767091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is 3. < 1289767109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3½! < 1289767115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep telling you! < 1289767149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2 < 1289767205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rats, you foiled me. < 1289767213 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you work that out? < 1289767213 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1289767220 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, god... < 1289767231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in single player: boat I was in fell 50 blocks and landed on rock. Didn't break < 1289767238 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor was I hurt < 1289767246 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it missed the water pool at the bottom < 1289767248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hrrm < 1289767265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet boats are fragile when they hit the shore too fast < 1289767293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: think non-newtonian fluid < 1289767296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except... solid < 1289767312 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wat < 1289767327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes < 1289767339 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of beefing up laptops (all the way back up there), I recall there was some talk on external graphics cards, like that ATI XGP (external box with Mobility Radeon HD 3870/HD 5870/some sort of dual-GPU thing, connected with a proprietary "external 16x PCI-E"; I suppose those haven't gotten really popularized yet? < 1289767364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Athlon IIs are just cheaper Phenom IIs, right? < 1289767490 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@m-38.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1289767591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AMD Phenom II X4 910e Deneb 2.6GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 65W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HD910EOCGMBOX" < 1289767592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes please! < 1289767735 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might as well just get a proper desktop computer, since I've been meaning to get one for a while. < 1289767779 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any recommendations? < 1289767788 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music of the last phase of the final boss fight of Aquaria is epic < 1289767916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Don't buy a premade one. < 1289767949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I can totally get you a list of parts! I'd say that bsmnt is a happy customer who I can get an endorsement from, but I doubt it would be fruitful. Also his cost $1,600. < 1289767949 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts composing his "things to do over Christmas" list, < 1289767968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what, £1600? < 1289767969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAME A BUDGET AND I'LL PROBABLY GET YOU THE BEST COMPUTER FOR THAT PRICE! PROBABLY! < 1289767981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It was a while ago. Right now it's £991. < 1289767990 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what my budget is... < 1289767995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But then, he had 4 cores (8 threads), 12 GiB of RAM, and 2 TiB of disk I think. < 1289768000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lot of disposable cash, but I'm stingy. < 1289768012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So: TOTALLY FLEXIBLE HERE < 1289768043 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just produce for him a function that returns the best possible computer, given a price; then put that into a GUI with a slider he can twiddle around. < 1289768050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Genius! < 1289768068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lower than £800 would probably be my loosest condition... < 1289768091 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1289768115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I managed to piece together components for a decent-ish computer for, like, £150 once. < 1289768130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Decent-ish: two core, AMD, I think 2 GiB of RAM.) < 1289768161 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics card is a significant factor, as well. < 1289768171 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably something that works well with Linux. < 1289768210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No such thing. But there is... a scale of workingness. < 1289768230 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that doesn't break constantly. < 1289768243 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the price-workingness graph? < 1289768253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm likely to assemble a parts list even if you don't want me to out of sheer compulsiveness, so: Quad-core or dual-core? You probably want to say Quad, but if you're on an *extreme* budget no. (£799 is not an extreme budget.) < 1289768292 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£799 is basically the absolute upper bound, for now. < 1289768308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What's the maximum price you wouldn't feel "rrk" about paying? < 1289768309 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So premade computers are also A Bad Thing? < 1289768363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, yes, and that's a fact. Try and find a computer of the specs I made for $1,600. < 1289768369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Did I mention it included an 80 GiB Intel SSD? < 1289768370 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think consensus is that they are an expensive thing < 1289768373 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the same specs < 1289768374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: When they were still $400 or something? < 1289768381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also, they're generally... not well put-together. < 1289768389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And the components are only Linux-optimal if you're extremely lucky. < 1289768391 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... half that figure. < 1289768400 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXTREME budget! < 1289768403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half £800, you mean? < 1289768408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1289768410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :£400? < 1289768425 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A challenge! < 1289768435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Is £500 okay? :P < 1289768447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pushing it, but possible. < 1289768478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Are you a silence freak like me? (Say no.) < 1289768487 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1289768505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can you withstand the noise of a constant jet engine? < 1289768506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Say yes.) < 1289768516 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends. < 1289768518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: Extreme exaggeration in place. < 1289768528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it won't be anything like that :P < 1289768571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nvidia or ATI? (The answer to your next question is "depends on the phase of the moon".) < 1289768596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I understand it, right now the open-source ATI drivers are better than the open-source Nvidia drivers, and the proprietary Nvidia drivers are the best of all. < 1289768601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the proprietary ATI drivers being decent. < 1289768609 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the truth of the Riemann hypothesis. < 1289768614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATI have opened their specs, so they're less of an ENEMY OF FREEDOM. < 1289768617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some cards.) < 1289768618 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's true, Nvidia; if false, ATI. < 1289768627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nvidia then. < 1289768649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think we should just all switch to ZFCR and stop fussing over that hypothesis. < 1289768662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like I have great faith in ZFC's consistency to start with. < 1289768676 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Game"-class GPUs and silence seems to be a bit tricky thing to get; the out-of-the-box passively cooled parts are really low-end; stock cooling solutions are incredibly horrible when it comes to noise; and at least back few years ago third-party cooling on graphics cards was a lot iffier project -- due to completely non-standard sizes and shapes of things -- than third-party CPU cooling. < 1289768696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. It'll never be proven insoluble, so that'll never be a satisfactory option... < 1289768730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If R turns out to be false, switch to ZFC~R. If you reject R you *already* throw out a LOT of modern mathematics. < 1289768735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's practically an axiom already. < 1289768740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Indeed. < 1289768751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, Phantom_Hoover is using a laptop; it's nice like he needs *extreme* graphics power. < 1289768758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The passively-cooled GPUs do CUDA and everything nowadays... < 1289768770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, the active coolers are *really* loud. < 1289768807 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do all the same things, they just don't do as much of it. And if you have a truu gamer, it's all about polygons. (Okay, shader pipelines or whatever now; but it was polygon fill rates back in the Voodoo days.) < 1289768931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover gets what he gets for his meagre budget and likes it. < 1289768943 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, all right. < 1289768956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll beat your Intel GPU. :P < 1289769023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But don't expect to be playing Crysis at full settings! < 1289769035 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kitten's brain would beat my GPU. < 1289769041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww cute < 1289769045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Meow meow red meow." < 1289769057 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd be better supported by Debian. < 1289769071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Every card is. More or less. < 1289769074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, to some degree. < 1289769077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They're all X.Org drivers... < 1289769098 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it continues to MOCK me < 1289769107 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :While the kitten would just be adorable. < 1289769191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cons: The heatsink is so big that it blocked 2 pci cards on my motherboard. Horribly dissapointed, will be returning tomorrow." < 1289769207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cons: Quickly goes over 60deg C according to SpeedFan after bootup and has gone as high as 67deg C in limited use." < 1289769211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cons: As mentioned by others, the heat sink rises above and wraps around the top of the card. I couldn't get the door on my case to close with the card installed, will have to modify the ventilation cowl on the door." < 1289769224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Your ears -- how tolerant are they of white noise? < 1289769238 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure. < 1289769247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give be a sample and I'll check. < 1289769261 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289769288 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that old Dan's Data review of a cat, which has a pro/con comparison table between the set of {kitten, puppy, baby, new video card}, with those things scoring 11, 6, 2 and 3 points, respectively. < 1289769290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That is kind of hard without calibrating your volume... < 1289769292 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dansdata.com/kitten.htm < 1289769293 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is that monster fan? < 1289769302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Which monster fan? < 1289769313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the one you listed cons for < 1289769324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, heatsink < 1289769327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which monster heatsink < 1289769329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, graphics card. < 1289769330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With heatsink. < 1289769336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, which one? < 1289769337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that big. Just big for a graphics card. < 1289769350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: dan's data is my favourite site ever < 1289769356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've gone off the page now. < 1289769376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500155 < 1289769384 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1289769427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both of my passively-cooled GPUs -- Geforces 7600something and 8600something -- have rather huger heatsinks than that; fortunately I don't have very much stuff inside the chassis. (One of them has a rather silly thing that can be adjusted to a 90-degree angle.) < 1289769461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that kittens in standby mode still emit noticeable heat. This is normal; no efforts to cool the kitten with fans, heat sinks, water jackets or chilled Fluorinert immersion should be made." < 1289769488 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, passive or what+ < 1289769491 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+/?/ < 1289769506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it's a passively cooled kitten. < 1289769508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NOTE: Kittens do not have any computer-compatible ports. Don't try to plug anything into them. I'm serious." < 1289769527 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, about the GPU :P < 1289769538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I linked. Click :P < 1289769541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like this thing, except more so: http://www.techfuels.com/attachments/everything-else/7232d1225013048-asus-en7600gt-video-card-asus-en7600gt-video-card.jpg -- the thing there is supposed to be rotated 90 degrees so that it's airflowly speaking cooled better. < 1289769544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you meant "passive /or what/" < 1289769544 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have come to the conclusion that I am tolerant of white noise. < 1289769558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm perhaps I did. If that is the right answer :P < 1289769561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Spoken like someone who has never heard a GPU fan. < 1289769566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I saw nothing saying kitten on that page < 1289769569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "X or WHAT?" i.e. "Very X!" < 1289769572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.dansdata.com/kitten.htm < 1289769583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Herewith, a rundown of the relative merits of four options for the computer enthusiast - a kitten, a puppy, a baby, and (as a representative example of the more usual kind of home information technology purchase) a new video card." < 1289769587 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slams up the volume on the noise generator. < 1289769587 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and here's the passively-cooled 8600gt I have: http://techreport.com/r.x/12962_Gigabyte_Silent_Pipe_3_finds_redemption/gigabyte-silent-gt.jpg < 1289769589 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I meant the newegg link... < 1289769604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least it's in the same style. < 1289769688 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can tolerate it at full volume. < 1289769701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: While doing things < 1289769703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1289769705 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's soothing. < 1289769711 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, define "doing things". < 1289769717 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading that kitten review. < 1289769729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, GPU fans are not exactly pure white noise... < 1289769735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine a hoover's noise. You should be familiar with them, being one. < 1289769746 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do phantom hoovers make a noise, I wonder? < 1289769752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just some sort of ghostly clanking. < 1289769754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. The sheer volume of that noise annoys me. < 1289769781 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i don't like hoover noise :o < 1289769788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoovoise < 1289769806 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i love drilling, hammering and all kinds of motors < 1289769815 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the Roomba noise, and despite all prior evidence (youtube), our cat just simply refuses to ride on it. < 1289769868 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our"? < 1289769871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: scotch tape? < 1289769874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is wrong with "vacuum cleaner"? < 1289769878 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wife < 1289769878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does it actually work? < 1289769885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh come on, you know the answer to that. < 1289769889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie has multiple personality disorder. < 1289769903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is utterly unthinkable that anyone in #esoteric would ever be in any kind of relationship ever. Unless it's with a dog or something.) < 1289769906 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, fizzie married his alter ego fizziet < 1289769912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fizzief < 1289769912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, fizzie's married to his multiple personality? < 1289769918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fizzie, and fizzie fizzie. < 1289769919 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1289769938 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that counts as a relationship. Even if with himself < 1289769939 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol! < 1289769944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur! < 1289769946 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup you < 1289769947 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1289769948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or a dog? < 1289769950 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also inconceivable that someone here is even vaguely related to a female. < 1289769950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as long as he isn't a dog or something it isn't possible < 1289769951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1289769963 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: all kinds of uninteresting stuff! < 1289769967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, we've had three females in here over our entire history. < 1289769967 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many confirmedly female people have there been here? < 1289769969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1289769969 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh? do tell! < 1289769971 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. < 1289769976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three. < 1289769991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i just ate some stuff and watched family guy < 1289769996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i own a piano < 1289770000 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not wearing socks < 1289770009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it's not as thorough as a human vacuumerizer, and takes quite a lot longer, but it does take care of most of the dust and cat-fur conglomerations. This place would actually be pretty clean if we just bothered to run that thing every few days, but I'm too lazy to move the heavy dining table chairs out of its way that often. < 1289770017 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did we ever manage such a ridiculous demographic thing? < 1289770025 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm giving this talk in a CA conference < 1289770026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELCOME TO IRC < 1289770040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote well i just ate some stuff and watched family guy and i own a piano and i'm not wearing socks < 1289770044 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289770049 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :259| well i just ate some stuff and watched family guy and i own a piano and i'm not wearing socks < 1289770160 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1289770175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you hear i'm not wearing socks < 1289770189 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how's the phd going < 1289770204 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, unless my /who is lying, this unknown "aloril" person is also a .fi one; has the hypothetical Finnish channel domination plan taken one more step ahead? < 1289770238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has he talked? < 1289770252 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1289770255 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he's a she! (I was trying to look for female-sounding realnames; out of 54 surely there should be at least one.) < 1289770268 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no socks?! < 1289770271 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me either :o < 1289770275 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1289770278 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fuck! < 1289770296 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes oklotoes < 1289770300 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1289770307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Which gender are you? < 1289770307 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmmm... apache/ 1.3.33 is hard to spell because it's had so many machines ( suns) it collapsed.... like nuns in the street < 1289770313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hey, unless my /who is lying, this unknown "aloril" person is also a .fi one; has the hypothetical Finnish channel domination plan taken one more step ahead? < 1289770319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *know* I've heard of a related aloril lately. < 1289770365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me tally up the female hominids whose names I remember... Sukoshi, lilja. < 1289770367 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION flops on oklopol < 1289770385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know for sure there is one more that's been in here. fax I just won't even get into after what happened the last time I referred to it as any sort of gender. < 1289770388 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google seems to suggest just Computer Go. < 1289770393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, our oestrogen levels are off the charts. < 1289770396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ? < 1289770405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For "aloril". < 1289770406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1289770412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It rings *such* a bell though < 1289770414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*though. < 1289770429 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, also some things in a game of life context. < 1289770435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1289770445 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: ouch < 1289770458 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: dont worry, i was gentle < 1289770462 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: hmmm... apache/ 1.3.33 is hard to spell because it's had so many machines ( suns) it collapsed.... like nuns in the street <-- eh, good try at ryhme. suns, nuns... < 1289770463 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: modulo 350? *l*) fnord in python the true and false in that definition < 1289770475 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i beat mirror's edge earlier today :T < 1289770479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "It collapsed like nuns in the street" -- my favourite line of all lines. < 1289770531 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`style < 1289770532 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1289770544 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you forgot the ... < 1289770552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsupported street nuns are prone to collapse. < 1289770554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was "....", actually. < 1289770560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah indeed < 1289770574 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1289770574 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube < 1289770579 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like minecraft sand? < 1289770582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Minecraft and reddit: Good career moves. "You know that guy that built a computer on minecraft? He got a job because some company saw it on reddit. A freaking job." < 1289770596 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wow < 1289770605 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you sure it is true? < 1289770617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also what type of job < 1289770623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well-publicised YouTube video... so I'd guess so. < 1289770626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the same person on reddit.) < 1289770630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Type of job - probably programmer... < 1289770638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Would you please stop, and just come to work for me? < 1289770639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1289770643 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you're within a couple hundred miles of Athens, GA when I finish my degree, look me up." < 1289770645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, could be hw designer :P < 1289770645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We are in downtown Atlanta, specializing in massive multiplayer games." < 1289770651 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if it was I would be scared < 1289770656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: see above < 1289770664 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1289770665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later: < 1289770668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey now, I created an ALU, plus the rest of a fully functioning CPU in LogicWorks when I was in University, and no one offered me a job!" < 1289770672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[same company guy] "Send me your resume." < 1289770695 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1289770792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone who continues the tradition of referring to me as "she" for the purpose of opinion (is there anyone left?): Try "it". It's 10x so. < 1289770794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did ais523? I forget.) < 1289770817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I saw him refer to you as "he or she" the other day. < 1289770826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, that's standard ais523. < 1289770850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he do that for known-gender targets too? Well, why not, I guess. < 1289770874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. < 1289770880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mostly "e" though. Well. On Agora. < 1289770882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*In? < 1289770890 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under. < 1289770925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over (and a smidgen to the left). < 1289770954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I love that word, very seldom you get a chance to use it though) < 1289770957 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is Lumenos? < 1289770959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooooooooooooo < 1289770978 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, who? < 1289770992 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You _don't_ want to know.. < 1289771044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you don't :P < 1289771147 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1289771246 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289771367 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Here's the multiplayer "I can see right through you" bug; happened to be walking by, got a shot: http://zem.fi/~fis/subtree9.png (If you'd go nearer to the edge, you'd probably see a huge pile of lava caves. The missing blocks have already appeared, though.) < 1289771486 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, subtree seems to stretch it a bit :P < 1289771506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and I saw that on the local server I tested < 1289771509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just after loading < 1289771516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I should've probably started with a more generic name. < 1289771520 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :persisted for a minute < 1289771531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels like vomiting < 1289771537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it ſuckeþ < 1289771563 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't blame you: graphics glitches make me pretty nauseous too. < 1289771607 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God, I really can't handle other people with the same name as me... < 1289771674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay, Nick. < 1289771677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay, George. < 1289771679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay, Richard. < 1289771681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay, John. < 1289771683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay, Harry. < 1289771685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1289771691 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will literally _never_ hit it. < 1289771747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Rasputin. < 1289771751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Jacob Jingleheimershmit? < 1289771756 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This'll be fun. < 1289771761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey. That name is my name too! < 1289771770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Indianajones (one word). < 1289771779 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Valentinez Alkalinella Xifax Sicidabohertz Gombigobilla Blue Stradivari Talentrent Pierre Andri Charton-Haymoss Ivanovici Baldeus George Doitzel Kaiser III? < 1289771786 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What an astounding coincidence. < 1289771789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ronjeremy-Mozart. < 1289771789 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1289771798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAIT < 1289771799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOWI T < 1289771800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*KNOW IT < 1289771802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: El-ahrairah. < 1289771804 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1289771819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Fuckface? < 1289771829 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Love Symbol #2? < 1289771835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1289771841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Big Fucking Edward? < 1289771845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an actual _name_. < 1289771852 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's Love Symbol #2. < 1289771853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So's Big Fucking Edward. < 1289771865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1289771869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you *believe* rutian still exists? < 1289771881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: [symbol naming the artist formerly known as Prince] < 1289771890 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1289771903 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoover? < 1289771926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Jovb? < 1289772002 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, augur knew it at one point, but I'll kill him if he speaks. < 1289772047 0 :gm|lap!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1289772182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The name of the symbol is Love Symbol #2. Or, if someone puts it into Unicode, LOVE SYMBOL 2 < 1289772281 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1289772299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh, is it? < 1289772306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, what's phanty's name? < 1289772471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux rutian 2.6.16.29-xen #1 SMP Sun Sep 30 04:00:13 UTC 2007 x86_64 < 1289772472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird@rutian:~$ < 1289772481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God it's slow. < 1289772566 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-23-242.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1289772580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, did I mention how you'll die if you speak? < 1289772585 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1289772603 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1289772641 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289772814 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yuh. < 1289773018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: can you *believe* rutian still exists? <--- I'd be quite surprised that nobody had unVMed it by now < 1289773036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't understand your statement. < 1289773060 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you seen http://www.es40.org/ES40_Emulator? < 1289773105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: aha < 1289773112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: seems imperfect :) < 1289773120 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most definitely < 1289773126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.es40.org/Running_Tru64_UNIX_in_the_Emulator < 1289773137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm!. < 1289773207 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289773209 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this palcode thing alphas have seems pretty neat < 1289773248 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh, "Timing problems introduced with the new threading model (needs research)" < 1289773250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :palcode? < 1289773270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is prgmr still crap? < 1289773280 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a library of subroutines you can load into the cpu as your own assembly instructions < 1289773285 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1289773295 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "microcode", but you write them in alpha assembly afaict < 1289773304 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's mostly gone back to normal. I never measured the disk speed before, so I don't really have the right baseline, I feel like it's a BIT slower, but not horribly slow... < 1289773324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Would you recommend it? :P < 1289773331 0 :WebCoding4Fun!~OakRaven1@blk-89-245-120.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1289773332 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1289773335 0 :WebCoding4Fun!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1289773345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...with the kind of problems you've had? < 1289773348 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I would NOT recommend is web coding for fun. < 1289773353 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That is the ONLY problem I've had. < 1289773354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1289773362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Pretty long and big problem :P < 1289773397 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It only seemed like a big problem from the perspective of #esoteric since I had to kill the bots :P < 1289773408 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dude, you pasted dd output :P < 1289773416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long did it last? < 1289773427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, it just sort of faded away X-P < 1289773457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How long was it that bad? :P < 1289773463 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any computers allow dynamically changing microcodes while the program is running? < 1289773481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Probably about two weeks. < 1289773490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Doesn't inspire confidence, man :P < 1289773513 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why did you even ask me if you've already decided they suck? < 1289773545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I haven't; I *did* recommend them to you. I'm trying to figure out how you don't consider this a deal-breaker. < 1289773570 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they halved my rent for the month things were bad? X-P < 1289773589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Fair 'nuff; server-wide problem then? :P < 1289773592 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1289773597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LAWL. < 1289773601 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, yes, where "server" = box. < 1289773602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Universe hates you? < 1289773650 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The universe wurves me :P < 1289773667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Which vips do you haev agaein? < 1289773670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tpjioi < 1289773705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: As in which plan < 1289773712 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$20/mo < 1289773733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HRY THAT'S WHAT IM GETTING WE'REER LIKE VPS SEOUL MAYTZ < 1289773738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The N64's GPU and audio processor was designed around that. < 1289773759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As were the two vector units on the Playstation 2. < 1289773763 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(VU0 and VU1) < 1289773766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is the RAM ... usable? :P < 1289773771 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so many fucking processors on that SOB) < 1289773806 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It seems to be quite sufficient for everything I do *shrugs* < 1289773819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LIKE MINECRAFT SERVERS AMIRITGH < 1289773837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Y'know, it'd run a hell of a lot better with < 1289773838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KITTEN < 1289773856 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Xen, install whatever you want to. < 1289773873 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make computer hardware such that a processor can have the NMI handler in a fixed location in ROM but that the other interrupt handlers are RAM? < 1289773887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, will Kitten support the PH-220 GPU? < 1289773905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Absolutely!* < 1289773907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Not. < 1289773911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ah, but you see, I need YOUR AXE. < 1289773921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1289773923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (Does it let you use a completely fucked-up kernel?) < 1289773926 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a kitten with a tinfoil had with a USB lead attached! < 1289773929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (We're talking no modules here.) < 1289773934 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW CAN YOU NOT SUPPORT IT < 1289773935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: AWWWWWWW < 1289773940 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hat < 1289773946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it go "mew" < 1289773947 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So long as it's compiled for Xen and has the Xen virtual HD support etc. < 1289773954 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. Yes it does. < 1289773956 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@xdsl-83-150-123-242.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1289773974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :3 < 1289773976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also purrs when it gets to some heavy-duty rendering. < 1289773981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That sounds BEYOND BORING* *Is that easy to do? < 1289773988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^_______________________^ can i buy it < 1289774011 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No clue. < 1289774013 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my cat is a) male and b) neutered, so we're short of supply right now. < 1289774022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lawl < 1289774035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sex change + ovary transplant. < 1289774048 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He might not be happy. < 1289774057 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are plenty of kittens to go around anyhow. < 1289774089 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Windows driver for USB devices that use Plan 9 protocol? Is there a Linux driver for USB devices that use Plan 9 protocol? < 1289774107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, uh, Linux has 9P support... < 1289774145 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is bored < 1289774146 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you mount a USB device that can communicate to the computer by using 9P? < 1289774149 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION annotates CFJs for the ruleset < 1289774190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I... don't know. < 1289774198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: vote for my porpoise^Wproposal < 1289774203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: its democrat < 1289774204 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's why I clicked this channel < 1289774210 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also, the kitten chases after the things it's rendering. < 1289774220 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: MORE LIKE DEMON CRAP < 1289774232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: RULE 34 ZOMG < 1289774238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ;_; why do youd o this to me < 1289774240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*you do < 1289774263 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you render buildings it hides in them. < 1289774269 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it plays with lasers. < 1289774292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP IT < 1289774353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can serve as a sound card too, but its range of outputs are limited. < 1289774382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love to hear a kitten output Never Gonna Give You Up. < 1289774384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Chocolate Rain. < 1289774428 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mewmew mewmew mew mew purrr, mewmew mewmew mew mew purrr, mewmew mewmew... < 1289774496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That so does not translate X-P < 1289774505 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you give it a dish of milk you can get a temporary boost in performance. < 1289774508 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1289774517 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of installing USB devices on /dev/sdb and so on, it should install USB devices on /dev/usb/00.d and so on. (And give the file timestamp according to when the device is connected) < 1289774638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has long periods of downtime, however, and a habit of blocking the fan vent. < 1289775361 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228062035.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1289776131 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289776892 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1289777131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1289778586 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1289778662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I reject your epoll! < 1289778682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And substitute my FORKING. Because I'm NONCONFORMIST. < 1289778699 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric