< 1290211407 0 :Decarabia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1290211527 0 :Decarabia!~root@S010600240171528a.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290211542 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mt. Hoover looks like a hoover. < 1290211976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1290212016 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1290212026 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290212558 0 :Decarabia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1290212669 0 :Decarabia!~root@S010600240171528a.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290212995 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, see message on there < 1290213330 0 :Decarabia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1290213420 0 :Decarabia!~root@S010600240171528a.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290213954 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290214436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] 10.11.19 19-Nov-2010 16:45 25K < 1290214436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ ] 10.11.18 19-Nov-2010 00:00 110K < 1290214438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we lose. < 1290214443 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a program is written in Enhanced CWEB (or CWEB, or WEB), that means it can include a bibliography, it also means that other programs/books can reference this program in their bibliography, too. < 1290214841 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to join 'Charities for poor people and monsters with names starting with "A"'? < 1290214867 0 :Decarabia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290214887 0 :Decarabia!~root@S010600240171528a.ed.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290215211 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290215396 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1290215628 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's you play this game? http://sprunge.us/QHYc http://sprunge.us/ONKP < 1290215958 0 :madbrain!~madbrain@modemcable032.155-200-24.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1290216416 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1290217563 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1290217703 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290217880 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-93-15.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1290218186 0 :elliott_!~elliott@91.105.91.39 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290218400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1290218766 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1290218874 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, even WardsWiki agrees with me: < 1290218876 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Many people get into programming because ProgrammingIsFun. However, after some time doing it professionally, it loses its fun-ness. < 1290218876 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The saving graces of a programming career are that (a) it pays pretty well, and (b) you generally don't have to clean toilets. But for those who want something more fulfilling from their forty-or-more hours a week for forty-or-more years in the working world, programming can be lacking.]] < 1290218943 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't remember the last time he programmed for recreation :/ < 1290219109 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: every job has some bad points < 1290219122 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-118-221.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1290219145 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If what you like to do is X, then X is a bad career choice except in some rare circumstances. < 1290219160 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott_, so I should become a doctor? < 1290219163 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so happens that a regular, 9-to-5 barely-even-code monkey job is not one of these circumstances. < 1290219184 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Uhh... sure. I gather it pays well. But, also, don't do something you don't *like* doing, obviously... < 1290219208 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pick two things; one of those things you enjoy doing a lot, so don't make it your career. The other you like doing, but wouldn't necessarily do in your own time. Tada, career. < 1290219212 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least this is how I view things. < 1290219222 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so don't do something you don't like doing but don't do something you like doing < 1290219240 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I should be a coder :D < 1290219245 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the thought of saving lives, a LOT, and having the knowledge necessary to help family members if needed. I'm scared though of making mistakes, and witnessing death < 1290219252 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: Don't do The Thing you like doing; the one thing you really like to do. < 1290219262 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: But do something you like to do -- just not something you would, if not being paid for it, do. < 1290219270 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. Enjoy your job, but don't... job your enjoy. < 1290219277 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1290219286 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence coder < 1290219293 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It doesn't help that "doctor" is rather vague. < 1290219298 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: So what's The Thing you like to do? < 1290219303 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually not my main hobby < 1290219305 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not programming. < 1290219308 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like composing music < 1290219318 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: Well, then you're set. < 1290219340 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: Us "The Thing is programming" people have troubles because programming tends to be one of the most menial jobs of its kind... < 1290219371 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, who do I kid? The Thing is Minecraft. I can't stop building this goddamn staircase. < 1290219372 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jesus. < 1290219374 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I can imagine < 1290219388 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl I need a plan to end up avoid coding databases < 1290219399 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other similar stupid stuff < 1290219410 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: Coding databases sounds fun! Making code that just shoves stuff in and out of a database does not. < 1290219417 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: I know that's what you meant. :) < 1290219441 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1290219460 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: Unfortunately 99% of programming is grabbing stuff from a database, processing it lightly, and presenting this, or grabbing stuff from a data, presenting it, and then putting it back in. < 1290219486 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: It is really an accident of history that it requires a Programmer, capital P, to do this, when really a DBA or whatever should be able to set up a task so simple. (Assuming more competent DBAs than I hear about.) < 1290219499 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's computing for you. < 1290219526 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1290219567 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now I mostly have to graduate from ridiculous summer jobs as a cook or doing nothing < 1290219604 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I continue to look towards the very far-off comfortable box that is tenure. :p < 1290219615 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1290219626 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Then I can play Minecraft ALL DAY!" < 1290219628 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about teaching < 1290219649 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually like academia too much < 1290219656 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the working conditions are good tho < 1290219698 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like academia. Okay, so tenure is legitimately stupid, but... < 1290219703 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Research is awesome. < 1290219751 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, if I could get out of all those introductory classes I might get to research one day < 1290219832 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok enough serious shit < 1290219975 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with an interesting architecture for my synth project :3 < 1290220003 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :synthysynthethoo < 1290220048 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I gotta make a nice VST code template if I want to program the synth of doom < 1290220055 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm working on a smaller synth first :D < 1290220158 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1290220174 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm making a waveshaper-ringmod synth < 1290220185 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is afaik a new architecture :D < 1290220464 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: are you addicted to minecraft too? ;_; < 1290220466 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need a support group < 1290220546 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-99-248.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1290220707 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a bit < 1290220793 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: you should help me build this staircase, except i shouldn't give out the ip < 1290220830 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: I've got a staircase from sea level to top, and then at the top there's a drop right down to bedrock, where there's a staircase to sea level (after turning around, so it meets with the original staircase in one place) < 1290220849 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbrain: now i'm extending that second staircase to the top, digging another hole, and then making another staircase to attach on to the first staircase < 1290220859 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving a GIGANTIC HUGE MONOLITHIC LOOP THAT DOMINATES THE ENTIRE LANDSCAPE < 1290220871 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, torches. < 1290220912 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONOLITHIC LOOP < 1290220919 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1290220924 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything looks better in all-caps < 1290221107 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just one tower to go, I think! < 1290221382 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONE! < 1290221402 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: Dig hole. Build mouth-supports around the mouth. Light it with torches. < 1290222167 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINECRAFT FUCKYEAH < 1290222187 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a week or so ago I was talking about it and everyone was all "That's lame, man." < 1290222193 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, now it's COOL < 1290222440 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.09.28:06:12:29 alise, Minecraft? < 1290222443 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- and look at him now. < 1290222496 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sasha: Well, you didn't mention it in here. < 1290222504 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, Minecraft fans are still annoying. < 1290222522 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Imentioned it in here < 1290222532 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I am not a fan, I just like building shit. < 1290222663 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@dinky:~/esoteric$ grep -ri 'sasha.*minecraft' 10.{08,09,10,11}* < 1290222663 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10.26:16:42:44 how do I drain big basins in Minecraft? < 1290222663 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.11.08:14:19:49 mmmm Minecraft < 1290222663 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.11.08:16:42:01 mmmm Minecraft < 1290222676 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1290222679 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1290222681 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a month ago < 1290222693 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:43:07 we don't have any minecraft players here. < 1290222693 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:43:11 only fizzie who played for a total of two days < 1290222696 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOK AT US NOW < 1290222758 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sasha: what am i meant to do now, though? I've built one longest staircase possible -- bedrock to top -- and one shorter -- sea level to top, and plan to extend the other one as part of the huge system. < 1290222762 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WHAT IS THE POINT OF IT < 1290222768 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a gigantic, GIGANTIC blot on the landscape < 1290222784 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO HAVE FUN < 1290222785 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS THE POINT OF MINECRAFT < 1290222789 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffffff < 1290222793 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make small village settlements < 1290222799 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then have fun in them < 1290222803 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ronery < 1290222814 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least this server is cool < 1290222822 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skyway! ridiculously long, extended skyway! < 1290222833 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i doubt the tunnel to Mt. Hoover will ever be completed though < 1290222843 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is ... a long way away < 1290222880 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link to server? < 1290222933 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I vandalised the skyway --> sign. (This is more a note to myself so I don't forget.) < 1290222940 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sasha: I don't think I should give it out myself, sry. Ask ineiros. < 1290222944 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, tomorrow, though. < 1290222951 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1290222953 0 :benuphoenix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1290222961 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pretty small really, and wouldn't be as much fun with tons of people on. < 1290223045 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also redid the Vorpal vs. fizzie sign. (Again, note to self. < 1290223047 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*self.) < 1290223220 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Ask Vorpal if he wants stairs for the entrance to his house. < 1290223582 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks at benuphoenix's presense < 1290223616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wishes he noticed it before he left < 1290223833 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, he's here quite a lot. < 1290224288 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290224422 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1290224507 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undid my silly SKYWAY vandalism. :p < 1290224956 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ who | cut -d' ' -f1 | sort | uniq | xargs -i grep '{}' /etc/passwd | cut -d: -f5 | sed 's/,*$//' < 1290224959 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's ugly. < 1290224983 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also apparently the -i argument to xargs is "deprecated", heh. Seems like you're meant to do -I'{}' instead. < 1290225518 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The program accepts the *note Common options:: only." --coreutils info page for "arch"; renders as "The program accepts the see Common options only."... probably more a rendering "badness" than a bug in the info page, but still... < 1290225533 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290226226 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal-logread: Yellow: "Scientific!" < 1290226548 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290226572 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@97-124-43-96.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290227003 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, look at that; convinced myself I need to write my own email "client". < 1290229226 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight; bye. < 1290229229 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1290230221 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TLUL|afk < 1290232841 0 :TLUL|afk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TLUL < 1290233729 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290234114 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TLUL|afk < 1290234638 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1290234660 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290237254 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290237389 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290237500 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290238147 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290239999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1290240000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1290241052 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@i-173.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1290242459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290242507 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.query ineiros < 1290242519 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops... < 1290244791 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290244823 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see there is some sneakery afoot! < 1290245219 0 :TLUL|afk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1290245409 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note to self: Ask Vorpal if he wants stairs for the entrance to his house. <-- I do at some point < 1290245415 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but well, not there yet < 1290245442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Also redid the Vorpal vs. fizzie sign. (Again, note to self. <--- hrrm < 1290246796 0 :madbrain!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1290248101 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-133.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290248317 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1290249205 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290249414 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1290249795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1290249993 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@xdsl-83-150-123-242.nebulazone.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1290251344 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it was "redone". < 1290251356 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the, did I seriously just waste almost two hours again? < 1290251485 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290252053 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, C preprocessor (ab)use: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c/msg/082ffefaaed3b450 < 1290252112 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Chaos has been mentioned here earlier, but still. < 1290252146 0 :iGO!~xk001@62.169.114.104.rev.optimus.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1290252702 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, chaos-pp looks insane < 1290253118 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :yoyorick < 1290253226 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, argh he is working on SMP health :( < 1290253234 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineros: please don't update any time soon < 1290253247 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1290253249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, ^ < 1290253255 0 :yoyorick!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :yorick < 1290253270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is addicted to mc < 1290253294 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you bought it too? < 1290253312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, and i won't buy it unless i get a computer fast enough for it. < 1290253328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now it's 5 fps < 1290253333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1290253335 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-5 < 1290253386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, fast graphics mode? < 1290253393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, short viewing distance? < 1290253400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have all that < 1290253403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290253414 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what are the specs? < 1290253414 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i also have a tiny little microcomputer < 1290253434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1290253436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't ask < 1290253441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't play games. < 1290253455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, you admitted you did just now :P < 1290253465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT I DIDN'T WHEN I BOUGHT THIS COMPUTER! < 1290253470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1290253471 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i play hearts < 1290253483 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and minesweeper < 1290253578 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway maybe i'll get a better computer at some point just so i can play mc < 1290253597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this computer usually can't run flash games < 1290253763 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw as i can't fight with the lag, what do you get from killing the different kinds of monsters? < 1290253773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, i could probably check that on the wiki, because i'm currently reading it < 1290253773 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1290254490 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a thingie you can use to quickly check how far in some direction there's emptiness < 1290254528 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i want to carve this mountain hollow and build a flying castle within it < 1290255538 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@84-217-6-133.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290255548 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290255684 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1290255973 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-6-133.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290256122 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this game is so fucking awesome < 1290256312 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, oklopol! < 1290256338 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you on the Esoteric Order of Minecraft server or on single-player? < 1290256466 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, would i have to have a bought copy < 1290256471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1290256513 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290256536 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's a yes < 1290256651 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290256890 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290257516 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1290257914 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-114-39.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1290258174 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@k-102.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1290259082 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, NOW "castle of dread" sounds adequate < 1290260061 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm so actually how much was the game < 1290260083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :€9. < 1290260110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like half a day's food. < 1290260115 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i might be able to afford it < 1290260132 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOULD YOU LET ME PLAY WITH YOU IF I DID?? < 1290260249 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, although etiquette is to let ineiros give you the server address, since he runs it. < 1290260339 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to have like a bot mode where you could easily program bots to do stuff for you (although that'd require resources ofc), it would be the ultimate strategy game < 1290260379 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something i've always wanted to make, i think this would be the perfect world for that kind of thing < 1290260465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the tunnel to Mt. Hoover would have been a lot less tedious if it had been automated. < 1290260480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although making them react when they hit lava could be tricky. < 1290260512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be a huge amount of scripts you could use to make all kinds of search & sensing nice < 1290260524 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe you could get them from animal brains) < 1290260547 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(blackboxes with algos inside... or maybe not) < 1290260609 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you could make proper defenses for your home and stuff, and you could have wars etc, might be fun < 1290260618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying it's not already fun < 1290260634 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... < 1290261248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki isn't very clear on this, how long does it take for a tree to grow from a sapling < 1290261336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while, I think < 1290261345 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that long, actually; a few days, perhaps. < 1290261374 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i think i waited like 3 < 1290261374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I planted one in ineiros' Fortress of Solitude and it grew pretty quickly. < 1290261392 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to be in dirt and with a minimum light level. < 1290261409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there was grass where i planted it < 1290261417 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in direct sunlight < 1290261424 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1290261430 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Classic? < 1290261434 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alpha < 1290261434 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure, then. < 1290261437 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1290261446 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it varies. < 1290261460 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was less than 3 i guess, i don't know how much time my mining took. < 1290261479 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have taken longer for ineiros' tree. < 1290261968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to leave for a while < 1290262018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Although making them react when they hit lava could be tricky. <-- if on fire: use water < 1290262023 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1290262087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oklopol: iirc sapling -> tree time is somewhat random. But generally a few in-game days. They seem to grow better while you are not looking < 1290262112 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, and planting on grass works too < 1290262114 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't looking, i wasn't even thinking about it! < 1290262122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290262245 0 :iGO!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1290262297 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290262836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's 10e, not 9e < 1290262846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1290262854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.95 < 1290262863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the pound isn't quite *that* weak. < 1290262905 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i can't purchase that without contacting my parents < 1290262928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the bank where my credit card has been waiting for me to get it for 4 months < 1290263080 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I had the same problem. < 1290263121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the parent thing or the bank thing :P < 1290263135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The not having a credit card thing. < 1290263145 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1290263174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except then the bank serendipitously sent a new debit card when elliott was bugging me to get it. < 1290263905 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1290264781 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mt. Hoover from the north by night: http://ompldr.org/vNjhybg < 1290264996 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current plan is to raise the ceiling of the glass room by a block and put glass in. < 1290265043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a bit hard to see at that small size < 1290265104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about a maximised window. Like the 1263x857 ones I take < 1290265115 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, in a moment. < 1290265123 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even 1680x977 it seems < 1290265126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my largest one < 1290265139 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vNjhycQ < 1290265149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1290265197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, with glass it is hard to judge where it stops going straight down and becomes a floor < 1290265213 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's two spaces from the ceiling. < 1290265224 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah a bit low < 1290265248 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence the plan to raise the ceiling. < 1290265269 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1290265270 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would also like to make it easier to access, through a staircase in the "stem" of the mountain. < 1290265633 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1290265648 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.50.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290265690 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1290265732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:30:42 Also redid the Vorpal vs. fizzie sign. (Again, note to self. <--- hrrm < 1290265736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made the formatting nicer! < 1290265739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm innocenty. < 1290265764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, tunnel to Mt. Hoover is now usable! < 1290265785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: woot < 1290265787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:40:34 ineros: please don't update any time soon < 1290265801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I also don't want him to update because torches are going to become lightstones which will not be as pretty on the stairs. < 1290265806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: btw, finished the other staircase < 1290265847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:28:42 this game is so fucking awesome < 1290265849 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay trees are growing < 1290265850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's 3D! < 1290265944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, crazy < 1290266573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:38:59 it would be nice to have like a bot mode where you could easily program bots to do stuff for you (although that'd require resources ofc), it would be the ultimate strategy game < 1290266573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:39:39 something i've always wanted to make, i think this would be the perfect world for that kind of thing < 1290266574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:41:52 there would be a huge amount of scripts you could use to make all kinds of search & sensing nice < 1290266574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:42:04 (maybe you could get them from animal brains) < 1290266575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:42:27 (blackboxes with algos inside... or maybe not) < 1290266577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:43:29 anyway you could make proper defenses for your home and stuff, and you could have wars etc, might be fun < 1290266580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:43:38 i'm not saying it's not already fun < 1290266582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: play Dwarf Fortress. < 1290266644 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like that? < 1290266728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sorta, i haven't played, but < 1290266745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i gather that the main difference is that instead of being smart and helpful, the dwarves are all suicidal morons < 1290266754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, also, your responsibility < 1290266981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's also meant to be one of the most difficult/deep games :) < 1290267083 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1290267429 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1290267525 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean suicidal morons, you can't program them? < 1290267559 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can program them but they have their own moving algos etc, which suck? < 1290268075 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1290268354 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-114-39.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1290268699 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@m-3.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1290269227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what do you mean suicidal morons, you can't program them? < 1290269237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't, as far as i know... but, at least, it's closer to what you were talking about than Minecraft :) < 1290269251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also a 3D world but with a 2D interface, so yeah < 1290269352 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290269410 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :myndzi < 1290269515 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@m-3.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1290269947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay the lag seems to be getting worse, i just used almost a whole day to make a 4x5 glass wall < 1290270543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what settings have you g ot it on < 1290270544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*got < 1290270639 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1290271286 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290271542 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290272028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the minimal settings, as i've told you < 1290272081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: close every other prorgam :P < 1290272084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*program < 1290272199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to < 1290272343 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re "don't update", at least for the halloween update the client -- which auto-updates, of course -- refused to connect to old servers. < 1290272345 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1290272367 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@173.178.19.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290272408 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-33.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290272453 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws hate at Windows 7 < 1290272471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If I were you, I would "cp -R .minecraft .minecraft_good" at your nearest convenience, since we don't want the server to be updated. < 1290272501 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's going on with updating? < 1290272546 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speak for yourself; I probably would want it to update, even if it brings server-side health. < 1290272698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It also fixes the respawning thing. Also, torches will become impermanent soon, and lanterns will be very difficult to get. < 1290272717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway if the server doesn't update there's little choice. :P < 1290272743 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: What's your onion on all this? < 1290272752 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no monsters & no health in the serverer game? < 1290272758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: monsters optionally, but no health < 1290272768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He's said he was pretty lazy to upgrade, but that was before you revealed that nugget of knowledge. < 1290272776 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monsters are unkillable, so they're pretty silly. < 1290272776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also tools recharge if you drop them and pick back up < 1290272779 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1290272860 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blocking the client from auto-updating sounds tedious, though of course doable. As does keeping two versions (one for single-player bugfixes and so, one for multiplayer). < 1290272881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Just enter an invalid password. Apparently the server refuses to let you connect in that case, but Eh We'll Figure Out Something. < 1290272888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (It may be easiest to simply make the server spoof a version, but.) < 1290273217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'd probably just out of principle prefer getting the obvious-bug "features" (like no falling damage, no tool-wear-out thing) to get fixed, no matter how useful they happen to be for buildnung. But whatevers. < 1290273237 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to get inside the mind of Notch? < 1290273253 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he's posted in his blag that he's doing server-side health. < 1290273260 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those folks want to keep them bugs. < 1290273273 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the torch issue will be too annyoing, I'll just make sure there are enough pumpkins for everyone. < 1290273291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: Better to put a shitload of torches somewhere. < 1290273295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll turn into lanterns. < 1290273313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just /give laterns out by the boatload even post-update, it's not really an issue that way. < 1290273335 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, if "hard to get" just means you need iron and lightstone dust, that's not especially hard after all. < 1290273340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think torches look nicer. < 1290273353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We haven't even seen lanterns, I don't know how you can compare. < 1290273378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I know what a lantern looks like. < 1290273381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't look like torches. :p < 1290273427 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, something like http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/File:Praha_laterne-00-2003_12_22.jpg (second google-image hit for "lantern") doesn't look so bad, as long as it's not overdone. < 1290273457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as atmospheric as torches! < 1290273656 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the details will probably be out soon. < 1290273671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lanterns aren't next week,a nyway. < 1290273675 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290273683 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what would the crafting for a lantern be? < 1290273693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Iron and lightstone dust. < 1290273693 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we can see if we'll start to get night-time monsters as well. ;) < 1290273697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare: stick and coal. < 1290273705 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is a problem... < 1290273708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes it is. < 1290273717 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get ineiros to give us piles of them? < 1290273723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "problem" seems to be that you're just utterly lazy bums. < 1290273723 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you speculate so much? < 1290273731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: ...because it's been revealed? < 1290273783 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which part? And where? Details have a tendency to change. < 1290273813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it seems it may not be confirmed (lightstone). < 1290273841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh, whatever. < 1290274034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need about one torch every 10 seconds, and i've found like 20 iron altogether < 1290274041 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't dig down) < 1290274090 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 198 iron stockpiled at the moment, and anyway it's not like torches are going to go *away*, they just flop off and need to be relighted as you go with flint-and-steel. < 1290274128 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, we'll see about the rarity. Maybe it's only lightstone dust, which you can get by the billions and billions in the Nether. (Though he *did* say that bit about lanterns being "hard to get" somewhere.) < 1290274544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in nether, my block figure is an atheist. < 1290274987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know if stinky pirates like oklopol can connect to servers < 1290274999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he's finnish so he gets automatic rights to do so) < 1290275010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the server addr < 1290275065 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i pirated it < 1290275127 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, there are special rules for finns? < 1290275127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my pirated copy of mc even came with a server program, so it would be a bit surprising if there was no way to do server stuff with it < 1290275164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, can oklopol play on the Esoteric Order server/ < 1290275183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros has given his blessing < 1290275184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a finnish server so < 1290275185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why people think they're entitled to pirate things < 1290275201 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, i have automatic right to get on the server < 1290275207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because copyright law is bullshit < 1290275208 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1290275221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: same way i wouldn't obey a law that, say, forbid me from saying the word "egg" < 1290275225 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, can you join in here? < 1290275234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: the servers check for login, i think < 1290275241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll try, even though i'm in the middle of some really exciting stuff. < 1290275242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed; I can see arguments for pirating things like abandonware, but why would you pirate stuff that would be copyrighted even under a sane copyright law? < 1290275253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't believe in a sane copyright law. < 1290275261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I oppose copyright; simple as that. < 1290275287 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i liked that article on the monad intuitions < 1290275292 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: thanks for the link < 1290275296 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1290275309 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, that seems a little ridiculous; copyright law is out of control, but as far as I can tell the basic idea is a good one < 1290275310 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe, i just got "Legal in Finland" as a title screen < 1290275321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, can you connect to us? < 1290275321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I disagree. < 1290275330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i don't seem to be able to < 1290275333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :user not premium. < 1290275334 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm with alise on copyright < 1290275335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1290275339 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i see it as a negative thing < 1290275347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i agree with you < 1290275355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it says that when you actually try and connect? hmm < 1290275382 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The server does a player verification thing, methinks. < 1290275389 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's down when minecraft.net is down. < 1290275403 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Returns some sort of passed-on exception about a minecraft.net URL. < 1290275408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh < 1290275445 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIZZIE < 1290275448 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON < 1290275451 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS IMPORTANT < 1290275471 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's your position on trademarks, patents, and trade secrets? < 1290275478 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i disagree with cheater99, it's not important < 1290275481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what do you think? < 1290275489 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think those can be necessarily inferred from someone's position on copyrights) < 1290275505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I see nothing wrong with even the literal wording of current trademark law, although sometimes people try to use it in rather odd ways < 1290275518 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm undecided on patents, but think if they're viable at all they should be shortened to reasonable lengths < 1290275537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Trademarks seem reasonable enough to me. Patents are, in their current form, beyond broken; I am open to the idea that the basic concept has some merit, but until someone demonstrates this to me, I oppose them. < 1290275541 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think trade secrets are sort-of redundant with the other laws < 1290275559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think revealing trade secrets should be punishable at all, unless we interpret "trade secrets" differently. < 1290275570 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nono, your opinion on whether fizzie should tell his opinioin. < 1290275573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*opinion < 1290275595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see i prefer the metaconversation. < 1290275614 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh; I don't think anyone should be forced to join a particular conversation on IRC, but notifying them of a conversation they might be interested in is entirely appropriate < 1290275624 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think copyright is idiotic. i think trade secrets are good idea. i think patents are idiotic. i don't have a position on trademarks. < 1290275635 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: hmm, interesting < 1290275655 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing with a copyrightless universe is that the vast majority of currently copyrightable things would never be released at all < 1290275670 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1290275681 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, you have a legal right to look at the FBI's declassified files in America, but if you choose to, they take you into a room and give you a paper copy to look at < 1290275683 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that takes out the people who do it just to get money from copyrights < 1290275704 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and leaves in the money who release things because they want to let the world know about those things < 1290275712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you don't have much of an ability to do anything with the information but memorise it < 1290275712 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the true musicians, researchers, directors < 1290275718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the money? :P < 1290275726 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/money/people/ < 1290275729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290275736 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: that's not what would happen at all, though < 1290275737 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found that very funny < 1290275741 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!addquote s/money/people < 1290275751 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1290275757 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :films would be shown only in closed cinemas which people had to sign non-disclosure agreements to be allowed to enter, etc < 1290275761 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: funny, mathematics has been very happy and prosperous for thousands of years without the notion of copyright < 1290275774 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1290275774 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote s/money/people < 1290275778 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :262|s/money/people < 1290275778 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and buskers don't use NDAs < 1290275778 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1290275784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1290275794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Please stop preventing your opinion as fact. Thanks. < 1290275797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. < 1290275799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Please stop presenting your opinion as fact. Thanks. < 1290275808 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm presenting a prediction, as a prediction < 1290275809 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1290275820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "films would be shown only" -- this is not "I predict that films would be shown only". < 1290275831 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1290275832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opinions and facts are both just statements, I don't think there's any particular grammatical distinction between them < 1290275847 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i've had a bit of that same reaction, but i let it slip due to the fact that it's only your opinion that you're expressing. < 1290275852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there is in ithkuil < 1290275860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ooh, interesting to know < 1290275871 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's ithkuil? < 1290275900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: there will always be people who are willing to do things altruistically, or be paid to release them by governments (which is how maths and science has traditionally developed, even centuries ago) < 1290275910 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least iirc < 1290275916 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ages since i read the grammar < 1290275931 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. those are the people who are worth it < 1290275931 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but expecting them to get a reasonable level of funding to carry on their lives just from that, in most cases, is like expecting communism to work correctly < 1290275948 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't want to read anything written by losers who can't even sustain themselves < 1290275953 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: cruel but true < 1290275973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: except, those are the people who release things for free < 1290275982 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not really < 1290276001 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: life is about sustaining yourself and then doing the fun stuff. if someone can sustain themselves enough to be able to e.g. have free time to write a book, i respect them < 1290276005 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people who release to open-source software, say, do it as a hobby as an antidote to a job in closed-source software < 1290276010 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone's job is "writing a book" then that's a BS job < 1290276017 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1290276025 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those people are able to sustain themselves < 1290276030 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND do the fun stuff < 1290276034 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: they wouldn't be able to without copyright, though < 1290276041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because their employers would have no reason to pay them < 1290276042 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't they? < 1290276053 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they would < 1290276063 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're very very wrong to think that < 1290276074 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, most authors sell the rights to their books to a publisher < 1290276082 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i work under a contract that is based on services < 1290276085 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on delivery < 1290276087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see in a perfect world, everyone has an interesting job for which they don't get payed, and also work at mcdonalds. < 1290276090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: the contract wouldn't exist < 1290276099 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf are you talking about right now < 1290276105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: heh, that's a great parody of cheater99's argument < 1290276117 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my contract wouldn't exist if there was no copyright? < 1290276124 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: what is your day job? < 1290276131 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like an elliott world < 1290276137 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a parody of all copyright haters' arguments, but i'm sure i just understand their arguments wrong. < 1290276138 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing software < 1290276151 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why does your company pay you to do that? < 1290276160 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they pay me for the "writing". < 1290276174 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they pay because i come in at 9 am, i do what's asked of me, and leave at 5 pm. < 1290276183 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like laying bricks. < 1290276183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no, you have cause and effect backwards < 1290276185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why are you feeding the moron and/or troll? < 1290276189 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do /that/ because they pay you to < 1290276191 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i haven't < 1290276193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this is pretty exactly what elliott told me years ago, but maybe i understood slightly wrong back then, too, and, well, elliott was pretty stupid back then :) < 1290276199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pretty much < 1290276200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're saying the same things over and over again. < 1290276208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: actually this is nothing like anything i've ever said :) < 1290276213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't as stupid as i seemed, just terrible at explanation < 1290276222 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're right, he's trying to make you look bad by agreeing with you and then defending the argument really badly < 1290276231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort-of like a strawman, just with multiple people involved < 1290276238 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: now you've gone off on a tangent < 1290276263 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: IRC channels aren't limited to a single subject < 1290276266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (or he's just stupid) < 1290276268 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you make a lot of assertions without basing them in any sort of logical reasoning < 1290276272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't participate in multiple channels at once, you need more practice < 1290276273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what he said. < 1290276283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*multiple conversations at once < 1290276288 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there's no reason to be derogatory < 1290276289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: He'd have to be pretty dedicated to being casually stupid all the time to be a troll. < 1290276303 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i told you i wanted to be a programmer, and that would be harder without the concept of copyright (back then it was slightly less common for companies to release open stuff and still somehow get moneys afaik), you told me you yourself are just gonna get a real job, and do the programming for free, as should others. < 1290276304 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I suppose so < 1290276320 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i find it funny that you have to resort to denigrating people < 1290276333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no i didn't < 1290276338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i was probably hallucinating, if i did say that < 1290276339 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but i guess if that helps you get by in your life, there's not much that can be done about it < 1290276339 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: you weren't even in an argument with him! < 1290276356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, just put him on /ignore like everyone else already. < 1290276359 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. and he started attacking me for no reason. < 1290276368 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my /ignore threshhold is /really/ high < 1290276374 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it has been met on occasion, though) < 1290276380 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although not by cheater99) < 1290276390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or i've dreamt the whole conversation, would've be the first time that happened < 1290276390 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your problem is that you think everyone is like you. you're one of the few if not the only person to have me on ignore here. < 1290276394 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wouldn't < 1290276403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If you keep talking to him I'll probably ignore you temporarily until you stop; XChat can't ignore mentions of names... < 1290276421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yesterday I dreamt I'd overslept and woken up really late < 1290276421 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, coming back to the original conversation: why would my job not exist if there were no copyright? < 1290276433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did that, except it wasn't a dream < 1290276437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a coincidence < 1290276439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: let's take this to #esoteric-offtopic < 1290276451 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not like this place is ever on topic < 1290276480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Offtopic stuff goes in #esoteric :p < 1290276480 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, it was mostly to carry it on without disturbing the regulars < 1290276493 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I was pretty sure the channel existed already < 1290276498 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i see no reason to move the conversation somewhere else. if you're annoyed by elliott's interjections, you just have to accept that he's childish, and then it's fine. < 1290276513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-stupid < 1290276520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I'm not annoyed by them; it's a reverse, I'm trying not to annoy /him/, with something which is, after all, not the purpose of the channel < 1290276527 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: yesterday I dreamt I'd overslept and woken up really late" <<< is this uncommon for you? < 1290276531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : cheater99: I'm not annoyed by them; it's a reverse, I'm trying not to annoy /him/, with something which is, after all, not the purpose of the channel < 1290276532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is confusing < 1290276535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the most boring kind of dream :D < 1290276557 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I do dream of waking up and getting on with my life occasionally < 1290276566 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: he'll choose to get annoyed at anything, randomly. < 1290276572 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but normally when I do I wake up at the proper time and go through the motions < 1290276577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1290276578 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1290276585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 262 < 1290276586 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :262|s/money/people < 1290276594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, revert is brokena gain < 1290276596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*broken again < 1290276599 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the best way to handle childish people is to ignore it when they spit out the sucker and start waahing < 1290276602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: that statement is very unlike ehird, to me; there are things that annoy ehird, but they certainly aren't chosen at random, and that's quite a character slur < 1290276618 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that also happens to everybody. it's when you don't know which stuff happened in a dream and which stuff didn't when you're in trouble < 1290276634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:59:08 ais523: i don't want to read anything written by losers who can't even sustain themselves < 1290276634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:59:13 ais523: cruel but true < 1290276638 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I do, but only after I wake up < 1290276639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, he really *is* stupid. < 1290276654 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while I'm asleep, I don't know the difference < 1290276660 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: notice he started this conversation, but then when i started talking with you he decided i shouldn't be taking part, so he started his interjections < 1290276671 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's just a childish social tactic, why are you giving in? < 1290276672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll note that cheater99 has this cycle of being faux saccharine "nice" to me for no real reason, acting offended when I disregard him because he's stupid and irritating, and then switching to being stupid and irritating. < 1290276674 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no, I started the conversation < 1290276677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Period of silence, restart. < 1290276693 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're right. i saw that he was one of the first people to join it, though. < 1290276705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well of course you don't know what's dream and what's not *in the dream*, otherwise the dream would become lucid < 1290276741 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you're awake, whatever you think is actually dream should certainly be exactly what has been a dream. < 1290276768 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290276795 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the fact doesn't change that he's making a mess right now just because he doesn't like me. since i have no idea why that is, i have just decided to start ignoring this part of his behaviour. < 1290276817 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290276840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:06:30 elliott: your problem is that you think everyone is like you. you're one of the few if not the only person to have me on ignore here. < 1290276842 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: like, he was friendly to me for some time, and then he totally swayed to the other pole and got really pissed off for no reason that i know of. then he started ignoring me and/or insulting me. < 1290276844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover and Vorpal don't exist, for one. < 1290276848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well-known fact. < 1290276870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :another well-known fact, people can't converse through text < 1290276909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely... err what < 1290276918 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when i asked him why, he just wouldn't answer, choosing to be hateful and childish instead of telling me what annoyed him and trying to even things out. < 1290276936 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so, here's why i think he just starts hating things and/or people at random. < 1290277033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: actually, it's the fact that it's fairly hard to tell whether someone's a troll or just stupid, so I erred on the side of caution until you came out with your ridiculous glob of incomprehensible sexism that tipped me off. < 1290277052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's actually both) < 1290277067 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ridiculous glob of incomprehensible sexism" what? < 1290277093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :women are stupider than men, but they compensate by being hotter < 1290277121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol tries so desperately hard to get an ignore from me, but he never will < 1290277126 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1290277134 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i really think that! < 1290277186 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're just trying hard to find any sort of thing that bothers you in me, to the point of blowing up small issues or making things up < 1290277193 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on average, my experience is they are a lot stupider, with the rather limited measures of intelligence i possess < 1290277250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it's more that there's social pressure for women to act stupid but whatever < 1290277280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not claiming that's not the reason < 1290277287 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some time ago you've decided i'm the "enemy", and now you'll do anything you can to prove that to yourself, because it's easier to go back to your old ways, than to admit you might have to change your pre-conceptions < 1290277309 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone actually submitted something to /r/esolangs < 1290277311 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which is childish, hence i stopped caring < 1290277311 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF? < 1290277320 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact by intelligence, i may just mean the amount of interest for math :D < 1290277326 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what have they submitted? < 1290277334 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my maths course was 95% women < 1290277358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 50% are women in our dep < 1290277362 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe more < 1290277381 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :95%? cool < 1290277383 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how can you say women are less interested than men? < 1290277386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some befunge-93 interpreter < 1290277396 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ah < 1290277404 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... does it work? :D < 1290277433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: because among the best ones, at least 60% are men < 1290277445 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have no idea, haven't tried it, but the idea of activity on /r/esolangs makes me lol < 1290277449 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah.. but that's not really interest, but proficiency.. < 1290277458 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: personally, I blame it on the education system < 1290277469 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people tend to assume that women are bad at math and so don't teach them properly < 1290277487 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: right, so maybe my measure of intelligence also takes proficiency to account. also, i may just be sexist. < 1290277501 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you monster < 1290277503 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290277516 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, i've seen that quite a lot.. < 1290277541 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's a very common argument < 1290277558 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i certainly do not claim there's any sort of difference between the brains of men and women < 1290277620 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really believe people's brains have much difference anyway, it's all about interest & dedication. < 1290277658 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i believe is mostly environment < 1290277716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the environment/genetics issue is hilarious, every now and then there's a new study that says "turns out it's all X, no Y" with X != Y being the two in any order < 1290277754 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that'd be fixed if i knew which sources were reliable and which are not < 1290277818 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i don't care about any of this very much, i have a tunnel to dig < 1290277853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: seen the argument or the assuming < 1290277873 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: not sure what you mean, can you rephrase? < 1290277885 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: you've seen that quite a lot, what have you seen < 1290277902 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the assuming < 1290277909 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, just checking < 1290277947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to try to teach stuff to women because i love talking about math, but i don't try to teach men that much because men are utterly uninteresting objects < 1290277956 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"people tend to X" /\ "i've seen that a lot" => "i've seen X done a lot" < 1290277974 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so true! < 1290277977 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have sex with them, so why talk to them or teach them < 1290277988 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: after my first year in maths, i went to do physics as a second course < 1290278001 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i was giving a lot of house help :p < 1290278023 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were gay < 1290278029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.D < 1290278031 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290278047 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? :P < 1290278053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know. < 1290278057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or remember. < 1290278085 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw, i'm not < 1290278097 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can pretend to if it makes you feel better around me, sweetheart < 1290278102 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290278123 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love that, augur is so absently these days. < 1290278152 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should do some minecraft now < 1290278170 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1290278201 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy < 1290278211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so much that i actually want to have sex with every woman i talk to. it's more like if i plant a tree, i'll feel good about myself even though i'll never see it again, but if i planted a tree in another universe, that'd feel just pointless. < 1290278255 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i do want to have sex with every woman i talk to, in the sense that i'd love for life to be just one big math orgy. < 1290278288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the sense of actually trying to get in people's pants in this social context, not so much < 1290278411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in this ideal world i'm bisexual for convenience < 1290278485 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1290278493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm so i found my first lave < 1290278495 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm < 1290278497 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*love < 1290278499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1290278500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lava < 1290278505 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1290278513 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's starting to rise, does it rise forever? < 1290278525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you want to get rid of that. try water. < 1290278540 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do i have to quickly block that leak < 1290278557 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do i get obsidian when lava meets water < 1290278608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i just reached bedrock so maybe i'll just dig somewhere else < 1290278633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: bedrock is not always level 0 fwiw < 1290278657 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guessed that, but so there is a level 0 < 1290278661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't actually know that < 1290278663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "Obsidian is a deep purple block that was first released into that game at version 0.30. Obsidian may be found on rare occasions, when there is flowing Water and still Lava nearby. Obsidian is created when flowing water hits a lava spring; when a water spring and a lava spring collide it creates cobblestone." < 1290278672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: there's also a level infinity (128) < 1290278677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: 64 above sea level < 1290278713 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this i knew, but for some reason i wasn't sure 0 or -127 would be ununderable. < 1290278726 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably should've been sure about that < 1290278748 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol is 25: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/11/national_geographics_photograp.html < 1290278785 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, also on 24! < 1290278794 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having lied about my age all this time would explain my constantly getting my age wrong < 1290278809 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"25" is the number of the photo. < 1290278823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how old are you actually < 1290278826 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sorry, opens slowly < 1290278849 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: my family shall seek revenge from your family for centuries! < 1290279076 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: like the lava pic? :O < 1290279121 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked it lot. < 1290279339 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe i'm doing this < 1290279353 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this room is fairly cold, have a wild guess what i'm using to warm it up < 1290279668 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has just carried in a huge CRT < 1290279694 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that'll make it nice and cozy warm in here < 1290279716 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY DS WORKS ON WIN7 < 1290279741 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds? < 1290279754 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Docking Station < 1290279763 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1290279768 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what laptop? < 1290279798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what about those blocks that look like stone with small lava bubbles in them < 1290279805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wat < 1290279811 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, how is that relevant? < 1290279817 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are those < 1290279835 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's a tangent topic < 1290279875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more precisely, should i hit it with my pickaxe, or will there be lava < 1290279889 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is lava a bad thing? < 1290279898 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1290279912 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then hit it < 1290279912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: screenshot < 1290279913 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290279918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(F1+F2, then it's in wherever minecraft saves are) < 1290279921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just... press screenshot < 1290279923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/ < 1290279935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1290279936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Blocks < 1290279939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: which is it < 1290279949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Redstone Ore? < 1290279954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if so, that's good and you want it. < 1290279958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's what makes circuits < 1290279990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1290280012 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see i was sure it had to do with lava, so i just checked the lava page :) < 1290280270 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1290282116 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw ofc i mined that with a stone axe :D < 1290282128 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(found more tho) < 1290282140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you should buy it so you can come to the multiplayer world < 1290282156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of it as an ENTRANCE FEE! < 1290282181 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm planning to, i just can't do it before i get my credit card, which is on monday < 1290282183 0 :Sasha2!~WHAT@97-124-43-96.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290282236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you can use MY ACCOUNT (no) < 1290282254 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290282257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay diamond < 1290282292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you need iron axe for that < 1290282298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey ineiros there's unofficial custom server software for alpha < 1290282308 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, learned to check before picking from that redstone blunder. < 1290282309 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: can i join you in minecraftism? < 1290282320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably have stupid stuff like health though < 1290282322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yes, what do you mean? < 1290282322 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: meaning, would i be able to join your server? < 1290282324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well, redstone is quite common. Unlike diamond < 1290282328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a server. < 1290282340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Adv. Physics: Does the server have advanced physics like water?" < 1290282348 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure misconception. all 3d games are client-server based. < 1290282365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, link to this page? < 1290282367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: saw my first gold, redstone and diamond withing 10 blocks of each other < 1290282380 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, happens sometimes. Rare though < 1290282389 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i may have seen gold before and confused with that other thing, because i recall occasionally that other thing gave me nothing < 1290282405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, "other thing" being iron? < 1290282413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1290282417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Alpha_Custom_Server_List < 1290282429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mineserver has such advanced physics as WATER so loks like the most viable option < 1290282435 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah iron < 1290282445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Currently in (early) development. (Alpha stage) Server still lacks some critical features and should be only used for testing." < 1290282473 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is it possible to set up a server for people to play on? < 1290282485 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it like only servers provided by the game dev? < 1290282556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, you want that definitely < 1290282560 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh: http://twitpic.com/1xavz < 1290282761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i know the least about this game on this channel < 1290282769 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah anyone can put up a server why not < 1290282775 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1290282784 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, need lot of RAM < 1290282785 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and you're wrong, i know even less! < 1290282790 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could probably put up a server you ppl could join, i assume the server thing that came with the torrent is some hacked thingie < 1290282795 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it complains with less than 2 GB for itself < 1290282796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1290282813 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the server windows, or linux? < 1290282841 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a lot of ram < 1290282856 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't mean i could do it right now or anything, just in theory < 1290282859 0 :augur!~augur@static-68-239-82-231.res.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290282912 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1290283172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :half the things i carry are pickaxes < 1290283179 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seriously wish they'd stack < 1290283208 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stone or wood? < 1290283212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stone < 1290283228 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i do is pick < 1290283336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:45:48 pure misconception. all 3d games are client-server based. < 1290283338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft isn't. < 1290283354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you have to buy the game to connect to any server, the server oklopol has is downloadable from the website for free :p < 1290283411 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome things said by me on IRC < 1290283418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sgeo> I'm wondering if I accidentally killed her < 1290283515 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.midibox.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=midibox_pokey < want < 1290283529 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: well, that pattern certainly doesn't extend to 4D games < 1290283534 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no client/server architecture in adanaxis < 1290283550 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never played adanaxis < 1290283567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: just because you haven't played a game doesn't mean it doesn't exist < 1290283607 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just because you didn't notice i was making a comical generalization doesn't mean cows are green < 1290283614 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads < 1290283637 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a client/server architecture in Enigma < 1290283639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm wrong? Oh, uh, it was a joke. Ha ha. ha." < 1290283655 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there should be a game that takes place in the Monster group < 1290283676 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is weird because it's a single-player game, but last I asked, it was to ensure good design < 1290283684 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290283708 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the demo feature-limited, or time-limited? < 1290283738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking there should be a game where you can explore cayley graphs, you always see some sort of 3d projection or your local neighborhood < 1290283764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: demo of what < 1290283765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: minecraft? < 1290283773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no demo < 1290283776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: adanaxis? < 1290283782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: which Enigma, there are at least three games called that < 1290283799 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no doubt you're going to mention one I don't know now...) < 1290283828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could give the presentation of the group, of course kind of hard to show the correct neighborhood, and undecidable in general, but it would be fun if it'd worked even for simple graphs < 1290283932 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes, and your movement has to conform to some sort of n>3-dimensional vector field < 1290283937 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1290284003 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, adanaxis for the demo thing < 1290284008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the one with the marble < 1290284008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's Free < 1290284015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you're downloading the wrong thing < 1290284036 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i was thinking just discrete jumps from u to u * generator_i :) < 1290284046 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, o.O? < 1290284054 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, like in a chess game? < 1290284060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Care to restate that but with more.... meaning? < 1290284070 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "wrong thing"? < 1290284081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're downloading the demo of it from when it was non-Free < 1290284083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda, except you have to do some sort of weird zooming when the group is not commutative < 1290284101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or monoid, but might be a bit annoying < 1290284110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it means not being able to come back) < 1290284136 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in case someone is listening but didn't know that, which i find unlikely) < 1290284152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is there a Windows Free version? I just see a Linux/GPL version on the site that's free (as in both) < 1290284196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: dunno, use linux < 1290284294 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay redstone is everywhere when you're down low < 1290284316 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1290284334 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more common than iron ore, at least in the tunnel to Mt. Hoover. < 1290284361 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290284621 0 :yorick!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290284630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making wooden tools wouldn't make much sense since wood is tons harder to get < 1290284633 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than stone < 1290284771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(x) then(y) else(z) -- here, consequent=y and antecedent=z right? < 1290284773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*z, right? < 1290284800 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*x < 1290284893 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :z is nothingquent < 1290284904 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it *guent < 1290284944 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm so if i happen to dig up into a big pool of water, will it fill my cave an kill me? < 1290284955 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have absolutely no idea where i am... < 1290285038 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, i reached surface at the side of a mountain, huge fall < 1290285267 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just now occurs to me why Adanaxis is called Adanaxis < 1290285291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just realised now < 1290285291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1290285356 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only realized it after you said that < 1290285365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was just a fun name < 1290285370 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm seriously the first to get a joke? < 1290285380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw a pig flying < 1290285388 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, god. < 1290285394 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one's awful. < 1290285439 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the sort of name I might come up with.. except I'd spell it in a more obvious way < 1290285448 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably dashes < 1290285476 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGU time now that it's on Hulu finally < 1290285489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky bastard < 1290285502 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hulu doesn't work outside us) < 1290285535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm < 1290285555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the best way to kill monsters if you have such a lag there's no hope in actual combat :\ < 1290285616 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play a roguelike instead < 1290285656 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean dwarf fortress? < 1290285664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm planning to try that at some point < 1290285668 0 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-226-149.hsd1.dc.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290285675 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't like the physics of those games < 1290285677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: just avoid monsters < 1290285678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a pussy < 1290285689 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i do until i find a cave < 1290285699 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION personally doesn't consider DF to be a roguelike < 1290285699 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i find a cave i have to see what's in there. < 1290285710 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then your suggestion is pretty stupid < 1290285717 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i don't like that whole genre < 1290285727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpg < 1290285732 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were talking about lag < 1290285736 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1290285749 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roguelikes don't have lag that prevent you from successfully fighting monsters < 1290285755 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't a serious suggestion < 1290285768 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to assume i'm going to attack you < 1290285772 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misunderstood, sry. < 1290285853 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the appropriate response to "sorry" when I was never seriously offended? < 1290285871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not thinking of a response at all < 1290285877 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1290287131 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290287160 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290287255 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1290287281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: marble enigma is available for Windows at http://www.nongnu.org/enigma/download.html#stable < 1290287288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for free, etc < 1290287315 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i killed it! < 1290287321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fucking intense < 1290287333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inTENse i tell ya < 1290287351 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think a realtime roguelike is entirely plausible < 1290287356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that none of the major roguelikes are realtime < 1290287375 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying... it wouldn't be like rogue? < 1290287423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to stop i guess, that was just too excitingh < 1290287425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exciting < 1290287444 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1290287447 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1290287448 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokoko < 1290287449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1290287450 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokoko < 1290287451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokoko < 1290287452 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okoko < 1290287453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko < 1290287453 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1290287455 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1290287458 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kisses oklopol < 1290287459 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1290287461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye -> < 1290287468 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dog) < 1290287480 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o mai < 1290287489 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290287522 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-15-33.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290287654 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-76-188.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1290288151 0 :Sasha2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290288178 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@97-124-43-96.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1290288488 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone knows of 'amateur' web search services? < 1290288569 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, google search, bing, yahoo search, and so on, except im looking for services that isnt backed by huge companies. < 1290288962 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was talking about Enigma having a client/server architecture < 1290289045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: Uh, DuckDuckGo? < 1290289052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That uses Yahoo's backend though. < 1290289054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: CUIL < 1290289164 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice < 1290289207 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vjn.fi has a pretty advanced search engine that dfs's the internet < 1290289219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm probably not public tho < 1290289269 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that CUIL is dead < 1290289341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote it seems that CUIL is dead < 1290289342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1290289345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu has been living under a rock < 1290289348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even ais523 knows what cuil is < 1290289355 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :263| it seems that CUIL is dead < 1290289355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that sounds fun link me < 1290289391 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1290289482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i'd have to find it first < 1290289494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuil theory, or something else? < 1290289519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: read up < 1290289565 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also it's not like that takes more than 5 min to program < 1290289593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it still sounds amusing < 1290289605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You know what Cuil theory is but not Cuil? Seriously? < 1290289607 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know of even more amateur search thingies? < 1290289636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: why do you want to know? < 1290289707 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i need a reason? < 1290289812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuu: well, it would help reuce our confusion. < 1290290206 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes a C:\Users\Sgeo\bin < 1290290210 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And puts it in his path < 1290290215 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290290272 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290290491 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1290291766 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY EYES THEY FEEL WEIRD! < 1290292108 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1290292817 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g231051117.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1290292933 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1290293175 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290293187 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my eyes have healed, but the damage to my thought processes has not. < 1290293281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My eyes are still set to "Minecraft parse". < 1290293310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my fingers to low-accuracy, high speed for typing. < 1290293537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after 10 hours of playing, it was hard not to start digging in the parking lot < 1290293555 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto. < 1290293563 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do Minecraft, kids! < 1290293572 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh shit it's dark, i better get underground" < 1290293600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would love real life minecraft < 1290293602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just < 1290293605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :punching trees all day < 1290293722 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I'm not walking past any trees soon. < 1290293743 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"****, why are you punching that tree?" "To get wood for a pickaxe!" < 1290293814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why did you dig a pit in our garden" "WHERE IS THE BEDROCK WHERE WHERE WHERE" < 1290293893 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I NEED TO FIND COAL" < 1290293901 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MONSTERS WILL EAT ME OTHERWISE" < 1290294012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What the fuck why are you climbing into the mouth of a volcano jesus christ" "IT'S OKAY I HAVE WATER, I'M GOING TO GET OBSIDIAN" < 1290294012 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to find cabbage to feed the monsters, otherwise they eat you < 1290294511 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why are you putting those rocks in a pile?" "NEED STAIRS FOR MINE" < 1290294538 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The mine you dug with couple of sticks and planks tied together?" "YES" < 1290295933 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1290296428 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1290296813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm going to make a website that displays what timezone you're in, based on your IRC times. < 1290296824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And therefore what country you're in. < 1290296833 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1290296835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It will never be GMT :P < 1290296854 0 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn37-51.vpn.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1290296963 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1290297298 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1290297299 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Hofstadter's BlooP, FlooP, GlooP? < 1290297305 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Hofstadter's Law? < 1290297341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1290297406 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes which one? Or both? < 1290297427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all