00:01:22 That is, instead of being forced to use CC-BY-SA, I would like to use CC-SA. 00:01:51 People who want to contribute might not if they know their contributions might not get credited. 00:01:55 zzo38: Well, uh, nobody really wants that except you, so I guess nobody really bothered. 00:01:58 Sgeo: Stop talking crap. 00:02:11 pikhq: Ping. 00:02:59 elliott, gah downloading binary pypy since it started swap trashing on my 4 GB RAM thinkpad 00:03:06 Vorpal: lawl 00:03:18 Then again, my Newspeak IDE tweak is so little code I don't think I'd get credit for it 00:03:19 Vorpal: Do YOU want to look at my kill and tell me what's wrong with it? :p 00:03:26 I still need to figure out how to submit a patch 00:03:47 elliott, not really no, everything is sluggish on both systems atm. minecraft on one, and 90% of userland in swap on the other 00:03:56 /* actually send the signal */ 00:03:56 pid = strtol(argv[i], &endptr, 10); 00:03:56 if (!argv[i][0] || *endptr) badusage(); 00:03:56 if (kill(pid, sig) < 0) { 00:03:56 barf("kill"); 00:03:57 ret = 1; 00:03:59 } 00:04:07 Vorpal: Pop quiz: Why does this always give "invalid argument"/ 00:04:17 elliott, which point in the code gives that 00:04:21 Wait, now it doesn't. 00:04:23 Now it just does nothing. 00:04:24 elliott, try gdb 00:04:28 elliott, gdb and step 00:04:32 Vorpal: No, I hate gdb. I've figured out what the problem is. 00:04:39 elliott, why do you hate gdb? 00:04:42 gdb is awesome 00:04:44 Vorpal: It irritates me. 00:04:49 elliott, WHY? 00:05:08 Vorpal: Because I don't have much connection with the code's execution path; I prefer reasoning about the code. 00:05:26 Vorpal: The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with judiciously placed print statements. -- Brian W. Kernighan 00:05:32 gah binary pypy (built 2010-11-25) uses cpython 2.5.2 00:05:33 wtf 00:05:33 At least I am in good company. 00:05:35 Well, I want you to know, that any programs or other works I have written that the license requires attribution, that I give everyone permission to make attribution optional. (The exception is stuff related to things I do commercially; these things will have their own permission) 00:08:51 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 00:09:30 elliott, nailor has been *really* busy I see 00:09:39 Vorpal: Seen. 00:10:02 elliott, I can't find the mystery cave though 00:10:09 Vorpal: Down the stairs. 00:10:11 There's a sign. 00:10:19 elliott, yes I seen the sign 00:10:24 then just a normal but well lit cavern 00:10:25 So follow the arrow. 00:10:27 is that it? 00:10:29 Vorpal: That's the mystery cave. 00:10:39 I'm a bit disappointed it is no more mysterious 00:10:39 Whether you consider if mysterious or not is entirely dependent on you. 00:10:56 * elliott decides to move most of kill into a new program, signal(1). 00:12:48 elliott, that is a shitload of glass around that lava 00:13:45 Vorpal: Hm? What lava? 00:14:42 Grrr 00:14:43 elliott, the deep lava cavern, the lava fall starting next to the library 00:14:49 elliott, and going to bedrock or such 00:14:57 Someone vandalized an UnNews article I wrote in 2007 00:15:08 They vandalized it in 2010 00:15:15 That's a bit of a WTF and a Grr 00:15:26 http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=UnNews:All_atheists_proven_to_be_Muslims&action=history 00:16:20 thats gay 00:16:22 yeah it is 00:16:25 -!- perdito has changed nick to hagb4rd. 00:16:27 (To quote the esteemed vandal of 2007.) 00:17:43 OK, seriously: Why would the barf() code path end up always executing in http://sprunge.us/TYib (unless signal=0 or whatever), with the "Invalid argument" error? 00:17:51 EINVAL An invalid signal was specified. 00:17:51 wtf. 00:17:58 Oh, wait, it's not doing that any more. 00:18:01 It's just... not doing anything. 00:18:10 elliott@dinky:~/code/tools$ bin/kill 1087 00:18:10 elliott@dinky:~/code/tools$ 00:18:10 elliott, didn't you see the lavafall? 00:18:11 -!- augur has joined. 00:18:13 elliott, go do it then 00:18:16 And printing a blank line in-between those for no apparent reason. 00:18:17 Vorpal: no thanks 00:18:26 elliott, it is inside a 3x3 glass pillar 00:18:34 very impressive 00:18:34 cool 00:18:36 and very long 00:18:44 elliott, why not log on and check and then log off? 00:18:57 Okay... apparently a bunch of }s and a return ret; cause an additional newline to be printed. 00:19:13 elliott, the server was there a moment ago, if you are far from spawn he could tp you to me 00:19:35 Vorpal: Not right now. Later, okay? 00:19:37 I'm here all night. 00:19:39 elliott, did you make the function "barf"? 00:19:41 Phantom_Hoover: Yes. 00:19:44 Aha! Sleep can't kill its parent. 00:19:47 elliott, well then I will log off 00:19:53 elliott, I'm going to sleep very soon 00:19:57 I clearly have to use setsid. 00:19:59 Vorpal: Soon, okay? 00:20:19 http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews_talk:All_atheists_proven_to_be_Muslims 00:20:39 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: ZZZ). 00:21:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: YYY). 00:23:52 aha! 00:23:57 Vorpal: I was parsing "-9", not "9" 00:23:59 so the signal was negative :D 00:24:06 that's one bug at least 00:24:34 ok, it now mostly works 00:25:59 Yay, it all works. 00:27:24 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Quit: hagb4rd). 00:27:42 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 00:30:17 My brother's character in D&D game is afflicted lycanthropy 00:30:57 pikhq: So, I currently have cat, date, echo, false, kill, pwd, signal (kill -l, basically), sleep and true in 34K. 00:33:49 Totally awesome. 00:34:29 pikhq: Want a tarball of what I've got so far? Feel free to tell me some programs are utterly hideous; I need advice in that area. :) Also, bin/signals.h is a horrible hack that doesn't do the Right Thing for a few architectures. 00:36:20 pikhq: I'm crazy, so here, have a .cpio.Z: http://filebin.ca/rghto/tools.cpio.Z 00:36:40 pikhq: The Makefile is very me-specific at the moment. If you actually want to compile them, uh, I can get you the relevant toolchain (bootstrapped pcc/dietlibc) 00:37:12 :) 00:37:36 TODO: man pages, all the other useful things out there, testing testing testing. 00:39:57 elliott, in a proper language that parser bug would have been detected at compile time 00:40:15 Vorpal: Not any language where argv is an array of strings. :P 00:40:25 elliott, well what about coq? 00:40:30 Vorpal: "Just use an option parser!" Yeah, I would, except that I'd have to do -n. 00:40:47 Vorpal: It's perfectly possible to write programs in Coq just like Haskell. It's just that usually you have the entire library of rich types working against you. 00:40:53 You can easily define "dumb" non-dependent types in Coq. 00:40:58 hm 00:41:01 And they would readily accept the bug I made. 00:41:19 Vorpal: Of course if this wasn't Unix and tools took proper objects instead of an array of strings... yes, there would be no bug. 00:41:26 You can't be too much smarter than your environment. 00:42:02 Vorpal: Also, when you start using gotos rather than creating a new function, you're crazy! 00:42:21 The code in question: http://sprunge.us/GcNO 00:43:43 elliott, server is on atm. 00:43:56 Eh, I'll come on. 00:45:51 -!- Sasha2 has joined. 00:46:21 -!- Sasha has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:47:50 http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/music_storage/seasonstacker.ogg (Please note I did not write this music; I think Purple Motion did. I do not know what format it was originally made in.) 01:02:52 pikhq: Looked at the code? 01:03:14 NEIN 01:04:12 pikhq: The only thing to fear is fear itself and avoiding startup code so that true and false can be 200 bytes!! 01:15:34 pikhq: Psht! 01:16:23 "Plan 9 is a programmable debugger that understands multiple-process programs, and except at its own console, it doesn't run as an exercise in understanding the principles and mechanisms useful in designing operating systems, and not as a product as such. In this way it is analogous to the Unix operating system. In the most general configuration, it uses three kinds of networks, including Ethernet, Datakit, specially-built fiber networks, ordinary 01:16:23 connections, and ISDN. In Plan 9, each network presents itself as a product as such." 01:36:02 pikhq: Ugh. Just realised pcc doesn't have warnings. 01:36:03 * elliott fixes up code 01:48:44 pikhq: Woo, I almost have a vis where "vis ..." = "cat -v ...". 01:48:49 (More or less.) 01:57:48 wtf... 01:59:08 elliott, painterly sure have a nice cobble texture 01:59:14 but why turn the torches into candles 01:59:23 Vorpal: you can select what parts you want, I think 01:59:33 true 01:59:37 elliott, but that is work 01:59:44 Vorpal: Doesn't it have a web interface? 01:59:56 Vorpal: http://painterlypack.net/customizer.php 01:59:57 Vorpal: Yes it does. 02:00:20 Vorpal: I thought you were going to bed "very soon"? :P 02:00:23 also biome grass 02:00:24 hm 02:00:29 that seems lacking 02:00:31 or broken 02:00:47 Largest program so far: kill, at 8775 bytes. 02:01:02 And most of that is all the errno and signal text. :p 02:02:29 huh 02:02:37 Vorpal: if you do "continue" in a for loop, is the i++ part meant to be skipped? 02:04:50 elliott: I like how you do the sane thing with cat's options. :) 02:05:12 (i.e. make a seperate program from them, LIKE IT SHOULD BE.) 02:05:25 pikhq: Yep! And this program actually existed in 8th Edition Unix, although it printed out octal instead. 02:05:39 pikhq: BusyBox also does this, but it calls its program catv, and why name a program after a mistake? 02:05:48 http://man.cat-v.org/unix_8th/1/vis btw 02:06:28 Vorpal: if you do "continue" in a for loop, is the i++ part meant to be skipped? 02:06:31 pikhq: Do you know the answer to that? 02:06:35 It seems to be acting that way. 02:06:35 elliott, which language? 02:06:37 But that seems strange to me. 02:06:38 Vorpal: C. 02:06:48 I believe it shouldn't 02:06:54 very strange 02:06:59 hahahaha WOW 02:07:00 http://www.wikipl.com/index.php/WPL_Code_Guidelines 02:07:04 Good name: CompareTwoTextFilesAndGetTheDifferentLines 02:07:06 Bad names: CompareTwoTextFiles, CompareTextFiles 02:07:11 this MUST have been written on crack 02:07:17 that table is beyond unbelievable 02:07:58 -!- Sasha2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:08:28 Vorpal: ok it isn't doing that, my program is just KERRAAAZY :) 02:08:39 -!- Sasha2 has joined. 02:09:05 ok, wtf @ this 02:09:06 makes no sense 02:09:44 pikhq: http://sprunge.us/XRRA PLZ2BE TELLING ME WHY THE CONVERSION LOOP RUNS FOREVER ON /DEV/URANDOM 02:09:54 oh wait 02:09:54 "c" 02:09:55 lol 02:10:24 elliott, what "CompareTwoTextFilesAndGetTheDifferentLines" 02:10:24 still doesn't work though 02:10:25 XD 02:10:29 Vorpal: yeah :D 02:10:56 Vorpal: CompareTheseTwoTextFilesSpecifiedAsUtfEightFileNamesAndGetEveryLineInOneButNotBothAsAListOfUnicodeStrings 02:11:10 Vorpal: CompareTheseTwoTextFilesSpecifiedAsUtfEightFileNamesAndGetEveryLineInOneButNotBothAsAListOfUnicodeStringsAndRaiseAnExceptionIfAnythingGoesWrongDuringTheProcessOfDoingThis 02:11:19 elliott, int loop_counter_variable_used_in_for_loop_to_count_up_from_0_to_100 ? 02:11:25 Vorpal: Yes! 02:11:33 char *string_entered_by_the_user_that_is_dynamically_allocated; 02:11:53 long i_like_muffins_and_also_this_variable_is_a_long_integer_and_it_stores_the_users_current_happiness_level; 02:12:40 night → 02:12:50 wtf is up with this code 02:14:24 Vorpal: wait i have an important question 02:14:36 Vorpal: if your code starts spewing out bits of the environment when outputting /dev/urandom 02:14:42 you probably have a buffer overflow somewhere right :D 02:15:44 what the FUCK 02:16:03 pikhq: Yo. Can you write vis(1) for me? :P 02:16:14 Not ATM. Perhaps later this weekend. 02:18:35 pikhq: I'll just keep hacking at the code then. 02:18:46 pikhq: pikhq cal should make its way in basically intact, as writing cal sounds boring. 02:18:58 pikhq: Hey, Tcl is in good historical company; Multics used [...] to do what Unix does with `...`. 02:19:03 (Source: http://www.multicians.org/unix.html.) 02:19:43 Huh. 02:22:35 pikhq: BTW, I did the same split-option-out-into-separate-command thing with kill. 02:22:49 pikhq: -l is meant to print a list of available signals, and also -l $? is meant to print what signal a process with that exit code was killed by. 02:23:03 pikhq: But GNU kill has something better: -l TERM prints out the number for TERM, and -l 15 prints out TERM. 02:23:20 So I made a signal(1) which can list available signals, and translates signal names/numbers. 02:23:27 And got rid of -l from kill. 02:23:31 Beautiful. 02:23:53 And if you want POSIXly correct, well, screw you. :P 02:24:04 Oh, bin/signal has a bug ... 02:24:05 * elliott fxies 02:24:06 *fixes 02:24:52 hmm what's up with that 02:25:04 pikhq: I'm going to WhatStuffActuallyUsesly correct. :P 02:25:20 Ah, the GNU way without the stupid. 02:26:09 GNUpid 02:29:08 pikhq: [[The precision used may be less than the default six digits of %f, but shall be sufficiently precise to accommodate the size of the clock tick on the system (for example, if there were 60 clock ticks per second, at least two digits shall follow the radix character).]] 02:29:18 pikhq: Does that mean... CPU clock? 02:29:23 Or scheduler clock? 02:30:41 TODO: fix signal, vis 02:31:03 Clearly it means a grandfather clock attached to the computer. 02:31:24 -!- wareya has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:32:24 -!- wareya has joined. 02:39:16 Now why is env broken... 02:39:39 pikhq: BTW, I'm going to have probably a separate project moretools that has things like wget, ping, etc. 02:39:44 i.e. the bigger, auxiliary stuff. 02:40:53 Does it have netcat? 02:42:10 pikhq: env(1) done. 02:42:17 zzo38: No; use Hobbit's original netcat. 02:42:22 That's the best anyway. 02:42:32 Whereas things like wget are rather big and could do with shrinking. 02:43:22 The full system, if it is intended to have a connection to the internet, should require netcat. 02:43:34 zzo38: Yes, but moretools is my implementations of things. 02:43:39 For netcat, I'll use Hobbit's netcat. 02:43:47 elliott: OK. You can do that, then. 02:44:10 pikhq: 50K for cat, date, echo, env, false, kill, pwd, signal, sleep, true, vis. signal has some bug that I don't know what it is right now, vis is amusingly broken. 02:44:22 date has one bug (-u shows the correct time, but doesn't say "UTC") 02:45:07 Hey kid! 02:45:09 I'm a computer! 02:45:24 -!- baojian has joined. 02:45:26 Gregor: Hi! 02:45:27 Use short options (I do not like GNU long options) 02:45:37 elliott: Stop all the downloadin'! 02:45:47 zzo38: I do. Well, not for most things, but wget, sure 02:45:48 *sure. 02:45:53 Gregor: Nope! 02:46:00 elliott: Help computer. 02:46:11 Gregor: What is wrong. 02:46:31 elliott: You're doing your part all wrong :P 02:46:43 Use long options if you want to, but in my implementation there will be no long options. 02:46:45 Gregor: I have no idea what you are referencing :P 02:47:08 D-8 02:47:16 elliott: You don't know of the Fenslerfilm GI Joe PSAs? 02:48:46 Well, I googled a minute ago and found http://www.fenslerfilm.com/PSAS.htm. 02:48:56 elliott: Watch them FOREVER 02:49:30 Gregor: What :P 02:49:37 elliott: Watch them once? :P 02:49:39 Does this make any more sense when intoxicated? 02:49:43 *these 02:49:44 *Do 02:49:53 Idonno, but they grow on you like Charlie the Unicorn :P 02:50:11 I liked Charlie the Unicorn first time around. 02:51:54 How 'bout I list the particularly-funny ones? :P 02:52:55 Have you found all of the secrets yet in Godel, Escher, Bach? 02:53:12 (Yes; this book does, in fact, have secret pages.) 02:53:38 secret pages? 02:53:40 pikhq: -rwxr-xr-x 1 elliott elliott 26K Dec 4 02:52 box 02:53:40 elliott: 5, 6, 7, 8, 13, 15, 16, 17, 20, 22 and 24 are the funny ones :P 02:53:49 pikhq: Just sayin'. 02:54:15 Sgeo: Yes. There are secret pages, as well as secret things and obscure things found on the non-secret pages. 02:54:28 pikhq: But I don't like the changes I had to make to the codebase to do that. 02:54:32 How do secret pages work in a physical medium? 02:54:41 pikhq: (I could avoid it if I did each program as an object.) 02:55:06 Sgeo: Figure it out! 02:55:12 Gregor, wtf? 02:55:24 Sgeo: Porkchop sandwiches! 02:56:01 (Hint: Some of the things the dialogues discuss are somewhat related to the way the secret pages work in a physical medium.) 02:56:51 Gregor, those... those can't be derived from the actual cartoon, with stuff dubbed over, can they? 02:57:04 That's what they LOOK like, but the content of the visuals makes no sense in that context 02:57:39 Sgeo: The cartoon had stupid PSAs in it. 02:58:15 How TF does some guy vaporizing people in a burning building... 02:58:21 * Sgeo goes insane 02:58:32 What was the original PSA. I have to know? 02:59:44 Sgeo: They sometimes modified the video slightly :P 02:59:50 Ah, ok 03:01:28 * pikhq giggles 03:01:44 As part of the CGA Collection, I made a variant of the Wumpus game. One difference is there is nine levels on top of each other. You have only one arrow (non-crooked), once used it can never be retrieved. You are usually not told the room number or the direction of the exits. There are other differences, too. 03:02:08 And there is five wumpus instead of just one. 03:02:15 gettimeofday() provides enough bits to accurately measure time from 1970 to 292277026596. 03:02:18 There is also various colored potions. 03:02:25 So very much overkill. 03:04:31 Y29227702.6597K 03:04:55 Wait, I put the decimal in the wrong spot 03:05:02 Meh, correcting jokes ruins them I think 03:08:33 pikhq: -rwxr-xr-x 1 elliott elliott 22K Dec 4 03:07 box 03:08:39 pikhq: This time with separate object files and no code changes. 03:08:43 I am trying to make a Semi-literate Gforth this is what I have so far: http://sprunge.us/KaMH 03:09:18 Please tell me if it is wrong or any other suggestion and so on. 03:09:46 elliott: Hmm. 03:09:50 pikhq: Hmm? 03:09:54 Hmm. 03:10:02 pikhq: Is this the "evil idea" kind of hmm? 03:10:07 No. 03:10:13 pikhq: Aww. 03:10:14 Nice work though. 03:10:34 The box isn't my focus though; the individual programs are. 03:10:37 Perhaps you'd like a shell in there. 03:11:40 Please tell me an opinino of what I have so far this program!!?!. ! 03:12:07 pikhq: If there is a "shell" it will be one optimised to run init scripts and the like. For an interactive shell just use a ksh. 03:12:19 zzo38: Cool. 03:13:30 http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnPoetia:Walking_in_a_Klingon_Wonderland 03:14:33 I will have to add some things, such as explanation section (I can have a TeX macro switching the category codes between both modes), and then make a variant of Computer Modern for typesetting Forth codes, and then add some things for formatting each word..... 03:14:49 I have not quite figure out yet how to make it format each word. 03:15:28 (The only thing this program does so far is indexing! I do need to add the other things in, too.) 03:17:06 This is because I want to make the "Secrets of SoS" roguelike game to be four books in one book (with tabs sticking out of the pages to beginning of each one). 03:18:29 There is a problem with this program the way it works so far; the words NEXT-ARG REQUIRED BYE are indexed, even though they should not be indexed. 03:19:41 pikhq: Barf. 03:19:42 pikhq: uname. 03:19:49 pikhq: Irritating because I have to join things up with spaces. 03:25:30 pikhq: uname done! 03:28:57 pikhq: I wish pcc had nicer warnings. 03:29:06 (It has very few, and seemingly none if you don't use system headers.) 03:43:15 pikhq: I'm going to tackle test; seems like fun. 03:43:39 Mmm. 03:44:06 Although actually no, not right now, it has some corner cases that look annoying. 03:44:14 Head! Everyone loves getting head in their coreutils. 03:44:34 o.O 03:45:03 Sgeo: What. 03:45:13 http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/head.html 03:45:14 Head! 03:45:23 Ok 03:51:13 pikhq: Man, have you seen how laughably minimalist POSIX head is? 03:51:17 pikhq: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/head.html 03:51:22 pikhq: No negative argument, no bytes... 03:54:23 Man, to hell with head for now. 03:58:16 -!- baojian has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:12:41 elliott: It's... Just head. 04:12:42 Wow. 04:12:53 This from the same people that brought us pax. 04:13:08 pikhq: I like how their head(1) is useless and yet they've bloated everything else. 04:13:11 Literally useless; I use -c all the time. 04:13:25 Yeah, -c is definitely a useful option. 04:13:52 2399 bin/basename 04:15:16 -rwxr-xr-x 1 elliott elliott 23K Dec 4 04:14 box 04:15:52 if (suffix) { 04:15:53 pathlen = strlen(path); 04:15:53 suffixlen = strlen(suffix); 04:15:53 if (!strcmp(path + strlen(path) - suffixlen, suffix)) 04:15:53 path[pathlen - suffixlen] = 0; 04:15:53 } 04:15:55 Deuglification welcome. 04:16:01 *pathlen, duh. 04:18:35 pikhq: Hey, you did basename too. 04:18:52 pikhq: Um, how did it take you 87 lines and various functions? I've done it in 36 lines of main... 04:20:03 -!- Goosey has joined. 04:21:52 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:22:01 elliott: I implemented the precise algorithm POSIX specifies. 04:22:37 pikhq: So did I. 04:22:59 I must have made it more complicated than necessary. 04:23:05 Indeed :P 04:24:16 pikhq: I think I'm going to start replacing uses of strtol with atoi i the codebase, because I don't have to check errors and the like and if you pass a stupid non-number that's your problem ... 04:30:45 -!- Wamanuz has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:31:45 pikhq: Now I'm doing strings. 04:31:51 As in strings(1). 04:31:56 -!- Wamanuz has joined. 04:35:00 pikhq: strings done! 04:35:32 pikhq: Remind me to make these program use mmap sometime. 04:35:33 *programs 04:37:56 -!- augur has joined. 04:44:24 elliott: That's not my job, that's AnMaster's job. 04:44:42 pikhq: Actually, mmap is just plain nice. 04:44:47 pikhq: Think about it: It's orthogonal persistence. 04:44:58 "I want this bit of memory to happen to correspond to this bit of disk." 04:45:03 Let the OS handle the rest. 04:46:01 mmap is definitely a nice function. 04:48:59 Do you know how to make Where Is My Keys Soup? 04:57:16 pikhq: Lol, Wikipedia power abusers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_last_username_left_was_taken 04:57:23 log-reading ais523: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_last_username_left_was_taken 05:03:20 If the computers were, say, set up by a person who set up the machines identically, and none of the users installed anything... 05:04:56 At least that seemingly isn't case of wikipedia admins abusing their position for advancing agenda (yup, seen that too). 05:08:08 Ilari: Who hasn't. 05:08:35 Me, who doesn't pay attention to Wikipedia politics 05:08:41 Ilari: I love how they go from "same IP address and headers" ========> "STOP QUESTIONING ME IT'S YOUR COMPUTER BECAUSE Q.E.D., NEVER QUESTION MY AUTHORITY" 05:08:53 They must get a real kick out of it. 05:09:09 Does XFF even reveal anything beyond IP? 05:10:10 Shouldn't think so. 05:10:52 You know what might work somewhat? Using cookies 05:10:58 No. 05:11:05 Shouldn't get any false positives from that, I th.. 05:11:10 Actually, n/m 05:14:07 -!- yorick has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 05:14:24 pikhq: Yeah, I have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA why vis is failing. I've even made it basically identical with the BusyBox logic. 05:14:28 I'll look into it tomorrow. For now, sleep. 05:14:31 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:17:22 -!- yorick has joined. 05:30:50 There is Paranoia RPGness that focuses on High Programmers?! 05:39:11 Now, how do I make the formatting work with this literate Forth system I did, do you know anything about this? 05:42:37 * Sgeo has a DreamWriter 500 05:42:43 * Sgeo wonders how hackable it is 05:45:43 -!- Sasha has joined. 05:46:35 -!- Sasha2 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 05:49:26 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:56:12 -!- evincar has joined. 05:56:23 Hello world. 06:04:46 Sgeo: I have dealt with the DreamWriter before. I do not have one, but I have been able to support copying files to another computer by the serial port and printing them. (Someone else who had it asked me to do that, and having never seen it before, I had to figure it out, so I did.) 06:06:55 So...I have a bit of a problem. 06:07:05 Good language idea, no idea what to name it. 06:07:53 evincar: What is the idea? 06:09:00 zzo38: The language is purely functional in the same sense that Haskell is purely functional (that is, kinda), but instead of abstracting sequential operations using monads, it uses a set of timelines, which may be asynchronous. 06:09:48 evincar: Can you call it "Timehaskell"? 06:09:52 Or, something similar 06:10:21 zzo38: Nah, it's not really like Haskell design-wise. I was just drawing a parallel. 06:10:33 I was thinking of something related to time, light, a timeline, or speed. 06:10:36 Or parallelism. 06:11:33 Maybe you can mix up the letters of some words to make a anagram. 06:12:12 Bit of a cheap trick. 06:12:23 Yes, it is bit of a cheap trick. 06:12:29 I've looked around in other languages, finding nothing really satisfying. 06:15:03 How does Enlight sound? 06:17:13 OK. 06:24:47 That's how I feel about it...it's not thrilling. 06:30:50 But I think it will do. 06:31:21 If you are unsure, make it as a subpage of your user page just with a title numbered, and then move it when you have a proper title. 06:33:56 Oh, it's not an esolang... 06:34:04 ...at least, it's not supposed to be. 06:34:14 I think "Momentum" is better. 06:35:09 OK. 06:37:06 Blah, boring topic. It is an interesting language, though. 06:40:34 -!- evincar has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026210630]). 06:40:59 Haskell is not "kindof" functional 06:41:10 * Sgeo growls at everyone who thinks that IO introduces an impurity 07:15:14 Do you know if there is any way in Gforth to override the prior use of a non-deferred word? 07:36:53 -!- Wamanuz2 has joined. 07:36:54 -!- Wamanuz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:43:17 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:03:43