< 1292112479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you make oklopol come back < 1292112602 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did oklopol go? < 1292112757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he's just busy i think < 1292112788 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :his masters iirc < 1292112793 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Little did Beethoven know, on that cold December morning in 1770, that he was about to be born. (Randall Munroe)]] < 1292112807 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was this pre- or post- the xkcdecay? < 1292112879 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1292112913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm he's doing his bachelors iirc, working on his thesis < 1292112918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just planning to do his masters because he's crazy :) < 1292112931 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1292112932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although he probably will start doing his masters before his second year is over, i guess < 1292112947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but he did mention having to do some last fixes on his bachelor's thesis sometime :p < 1292112970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: post- I think but it hardly matters < 1292112972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe during- < 1292113027 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. So he still keeps the ability to be funny, he just doesn't apply it to his webcomic? < 1292113336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. See: Oh Dear Family Is Sick 5 Minute Comix. < 1292113341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those were good. < 1292113352 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1292113370 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292113387 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although as soon as normal programming was resumed I dropped it from my webcomic list altogether. < 1292113424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : he's just planning to do his masters because he's crazy :) <-- who? < 1292113431 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1292113435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo? < 1292113581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1292113606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gm2/2010-12/msg00009.html < 1292113608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU Modula-2 1.0! < 1292113659 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we make a computer game that allows you to adjust the gravitational field strength, field eccentricity, number of deliveries per over, etc? And then possibly also more crazy things such as alien abduction (my brother suggested this). < 1292113691 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Number of deliveries per... what? < 1292113710 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh... 3.75Mi worth of new (<5 days) allocations from APNIC. This model now estimates IANA depletion at end of January. < 1292113741 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Deliveries per over. < 1292113756 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zuh? < 1292113817 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An over is six consecutive balls bowled by one bowler. < 1292113865 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extending up to 30 days: 11 /14s, 5 /13s, 3 /12s and a /11. That's 10.25Mi addresses (plus some <0.25Mi allocations)... < 1292113959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1292114039 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other crazy ideas include multiball mode, antigravity, sloped (or curved) ground, slowly rotating field, making the players on the team to be not people but spiders or monsters or something else, and even more possible crazy ideas..... < 1292114073 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really is bizarre how xkcd is funnier when he spends *less* time at it. < 1292114084 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: ... < 1292114087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: ... < 1292114099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Run on the bank! < 1292114235 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counted from delegated file for APNIC, 13 606 144 addresses have been allocated on 20101111 and since. < 1292114245 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*assigned < 1292114273 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1292114350 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap: Of those, 8 124 928 were assigned this month. < 1292114395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So everyone's trying to get their hands on what's left of the internet? < 1292114476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, because otherwise the Internet will be full. < 1292114493 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Okay, so we can probably expect RIR depletion to start much sooner than "late next year". < 1292114525 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When IPv6 is used more often, then IPv6 won't be full. < 1292114553 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the current IPv6 address space usage? 0.027% or so? < 1292114562 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Sounds about right. < 1292114747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Holy crap: Of those, 8 124 928 were assigned this month. <-- sooo, the end of ipv4 is moving to earlier? < 1292114780 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, that much? I blame crappy allocation < 1292114790 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have a fricking /48! < 1292114798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from sixxs < 1292114821 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :623 553 494 712 323 IPv6 networks out of 2 305 843 009 213 693 952 (0.027%) have been allocated. current RIR pool usage is at 2.74%. < 1292114839 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.027%? That sounds ENORMOUS? Are we really using that much of ipv6? < 1292114839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, still quite a lot more of it than reasonable < 1292114852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it *is* enormous < 1292114890 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess with ipv6 they can ridiculously over-provision, and still have many trillions of ipv4 networks worth of free IPs :P < 1292114896 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, the number of network addresses allocated is about 600 trillion... < 1292114910 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, whaaaaat? < 1292114921 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, we *will* run out of ipv6 at this rate < 1292114946 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The smallest allocation is a /64. < 1292114979 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are we out of ipv4 yet? :P < 1292114985 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A small number of gopherspaces are IPv6-only, and the ASCII Star Wars in color is only IPv6....... < 1292114996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's still enough /64s to give every man, woman, child, and pet there own and have leftovers. < 1292115000 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it isn't in colour on ipv6 either.... < 1292115003 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/there/their/ < 1292115070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes but that doesn't help when I got a /48... < 1292115147 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/48 for each person on the planet would be only /15. The present defined unicast space is a /3 (4096 times bigger). < 1292115149 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then we use hypernet next time, since hypernet uses no allocation and can therefore never be run out. < 1292115196 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hypernet? < 1292115197 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does IPv6 have more port numbers? Or is it the same port numbers? < 1292115201 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, individual allocations to RIRs are bigger than that. < 1292115210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, that is not on ip level < 1292115214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is transport layer < 1292115227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1292115288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, the "standard" allocation is a /48. < 1292115290 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Can they fix DNS to allow a hostname to be associated with a IPv6 address and a port number range together? < 1292115312 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That ... would not be a fix. < 1292115322 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And it's still enough to grant everyone one. < 1292115338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38, it isn't in colour on ipv6 either.... < 1292115338 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It isn't? < 1292115339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1292115344 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It is technically possible for DNS to return an IPv6 address and a port number, but WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO? < 1292115345 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK, The entiere present internet going IPv6-only wouldn't need enough addresses to even warrant new allocation from IANA. < 1292115356 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No I mean a range of port numbers. < 1292115368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That said, if you really want to, you'd just need to create a new kind of DNS response and make software support it. < 1292115369 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even a offset number. < 1292115378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Can they fix DNS to allow a hostname to be associated with a IPv6 address and a port number range together? < 1292115379 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, is it technically possible? Wouldn't it need a new record type? < 1292115383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's just NAT implemented at the wrong layer. < 1292115392 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, if you want to access SMTP on port 25, and the returned offset number is 1000 then you connect to SMTP on port 1025. < 1292115396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That's just NAT implemented at the wrong layer. < 1292115399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: New record types, I'm pretty sure, can just be added. < 1292115405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question./ < 1292115406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah yes indeed < 1292115413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any POLICIES for ipv6 allocation? < 1292115414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1292115417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can sixxs do whatever they want? < 1292115420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so: WHY. < 1292115426 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there are. < 1292115428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a provider, not an end-customer, so they shouldn't be allowed free reign < 1292115432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. giving Vorpal a /48 :) < 1292115436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be allowed unless he actually needs it < 1292115446 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /48 is the standard end-user allocation, actually. < 1292115448 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I would be happy with a /64 < 1292115451 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of the ipv6 range is reserved for extraterrestrial species? < 1292115473 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: IPv6 is not for extraterrestrial species. You need to make IPv9 for that. < 1292115479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my opinion, the standard allocation should be /54. < 1292115489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course this is not workable with the way IPv6 is defined. < 1292115492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A /64 is only enough for that end-user to have a SINGLE IPv6 network using stateless autoconfiguration. < 1292115501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Which is a flaw in IPv6. < 1292115515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A /54 is actually entirely feasible. < 1292115515 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there are 6 times present IPv6 unicast space reserved by IETF... < 1292115520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Question: In 100 years, do you think IPv6 will still be almost endlessly available? < 1292115523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Answer: No. < 1292115529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Question: Is this avoidable? < 1292115532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: Yes, but nobody wants to. < 1292115561 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it is handy to have some space for network number. < 1292115577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually, even with current allocation policies, it's entirely possible that it will be almost endlessly available. < 1292115578 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even 1024 addresses should be a lot more than enough addresses for each end-user (in most cases). < 1292115583 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you would need to sometimes "NAT" the stuff. < 1292115586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I doubt that. < 1292115591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 281474976710655 /48s. < 1292115595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did you forget that technology accelerates? < 1292115608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As the 100 years progress, IP allocation will go up, up, up. < 1292115612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*regular IP allocation < 1292115615 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 281474976710655 /48s. < 1292115623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when are we due for the singularity? < 1292115630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Indeed. /48 isn't the biggest block being handled out. < 1292115651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Probably 100 years+. Sign up for cryonics if you hit middle age and we still don't seem to be close. :p < 1292115658 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ISPs, /32 is pretty standard. < 1292115663 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to make a network simulator that will simulate IP networking between Earth and Mars :P < 1292115665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah < 1292115666 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay, so there is some stupid, stupid, stupid shit regarding allocations. < 1292115670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Who says I was joking? < 1292115677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: s/handled/handed/ < 1292115681 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, but it was still funny < 1292115715 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think /48 is really supposed to be any sort of standard "end-user" thing, except if you're a cery large end-user; and even so, the network part of the address is supposed to reflect the routing hierarchy, not some sort of logical "owned by X" thing. < 1292115723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For instance, the DoD does *not* fucking need a /12. < 1292115740 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv6 workaround oddities: NAT-to-self: Perform 1:1 NAT to address itself. < 1292115748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed. a /60 would be quite nice instead < 1292115753 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it'd be a lot more reasonable to just give customers as many individual /64s as they need networks. < 1292115756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, whaat? < 1292115771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are supposed to be easily renumberable anyway. < 1292115777 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need internal hierarchy and only have /64... < 1292115784 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, a /13. < 1292115797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, /13? what a strange number < 1292115802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why does the DoD have a /13. < 1292115821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because GOD DAMMIT I WISH I KNEW IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. < 1292115824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oh right because US MILITARY ONLY IMPORTANT MILITARY IN THE WORLD SO FUCKIN' BIG TO DEFEND US FROM ALL THE 0 PEOPLE ATTACKING US < 1292115836 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For traceability, every bullet has its own IP, and stores all interdepartmental memos on it. < 1292115842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's 64 times larger than *any other entity's allocation*. < 1292115851 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't. The total marked for US is about a /18. < 1292115860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You're not far off. < 1292115871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, no. They have an IP allocated for every secret they have. WikiLeaks actually just scans the space for open ports. < 1292115873 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody should need that many addresses, I think...... < 1292115878 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They use IPv6 addresses as a unique identifier for objects. < 1292115884 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, shouldn't the RIRs get /32s or such? < 1292115886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : They don't. The total marked for US is about a /18. < 1292115887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : They don't. The total marked for US is about a /18. < 1292115890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq seems to be ignoring this :P < 1292115906 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the policy seems to be that RIRs get /12 at a time. < 1292115911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, IPv6 is being mismanged IMO; the policies need to be more stringent. < 1292115918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How strict are the policies that apply to places like SixXS? < 1292115931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Evidently not *too* strict, considering some of the insane, untrustworthy shit SixXS does.) < 1292115965 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, all the IPv6 addresses allocated IN THE ENTIERE WORLD wouldn't even be a /14. < 1292116019 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: But you don't want any sort of "internal hierarchy" that'd reflect a corporation's structure (US site, European site, etc.) to be visible in the network part, because they need to be aggregatable routing-wise. (Okay, possibly some level of internal hierarchy could be useful even for a single physical site; but I would still think also a not-necessarily-contiguous group of individual /64s would work just as well.) < 1292116030 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Therefore you can use one block for a private network (which might even include individual files on your computer), if you need a private network. < 1292116067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Internet is crazily geography-biased. < 1292116068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. < 1292116084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't they *understand* that it's irrelevant on the net? < 1292116093 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adress this: did you know there are more connections in a human brain then stars in in the universe? < 1292116101 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Except that it's not irrelevant, because at some point you have to route, and you have to be able to route quickly. < 1292116104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The addressing is supposed to reflect the network structure so that the routing tables don't grow too much. < 1292116129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sure, but it's in the core of *everything*. < 1292116132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it impossible to find ARIN's list of IPv6 assignments? < 1292116137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: CCTLDs should never have been invented. < 1292116151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, okay, CCTLDs are good for... governments. < 1292116154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, that's it. < 1292116155 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just try to put two computers on seperate logical networks to the same /64. < 1292116160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can find it for each other one. < 1292116162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also, for .tv domains! < 1292116173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That is a reason they should not have been invented too :P < 1292116188 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: What was that related to? < 1292116209 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That /64 might not be enough for end-user, even small one... < 1292116217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: You seem to be ignoring the whole "a set of individual /64s" thing. < 1292116238 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: That sounds like one of those quotable-quotes that turns out to not actually be true. < 1292116239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, I can't even find which fucking *number* is the DoD's IPv6 address. < 1292116240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like, a /63? < 1292116277 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY POSSESS AN ACTUAL ASSIGNMENT, AND ARIN DOESN'T SHOW WHICH ONE IT IS. < 1292116282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : adress this: did you know there are more connections in a human brain then stars in in the universe? < 1292116285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: that's false. < 1292116290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: that's completely and utterly false. < 1292116297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you, ARIN. < 1292116305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the universe is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than I've been told, you're off by orders of magnitude. < 1292116310 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Maximally 330 trillion connections in the human brain according to Wikipedia, which is way, WAY less than the number of stars in the universe. < 1292116316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Where the heck did you get that info? < 1292116333 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Maybe "stars visible to the human eye at night". < 1292116347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Not only was the universe created 6000 years ago, but it was created to be the solar system tiled 100x100. < 1292116352 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i wonder how they know how many stars there are out there < 1292116356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: As such, there are exactly 10,000 stars in the universe. < 1292116356 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: X-D < 1292116361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: They just GUESS!!! < 1292116362 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not necessarily a contiguous set. Sure, not grouping them into a single block means it's two routing table entries, but it's still just one organization's clients. (I think the power-of-two sizes encourage over-allocating things.) < 1292116374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Or, perhaps they measure all their data and extrapolate beyond that... < 1292116380 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: One estimate said 3*10^23. < 1292116385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure we've measured something CLOSE to 330 trillion stars. < 1292116387 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biggest individual IPv6 assignments from ARIN are /22s. < 1292116389 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1292116395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't take much to put a bunch of sensors up there and listen/look intently :P < 1292116409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, maybe more like hundreds of thousands to hundreds of millions. < 1292116409 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia also says minimally 100 billion times 100 billion stars in the OBSERVABLE universe. < 1292116410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT STILL. < 1292116418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: See, yer wrong :P < 1292116419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Incidentally, I have computers in different logical networks in a single /64. (Nebula's home customers get a /64 each; not sure about their corporate clients.) < 1292116425 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k :) < 1292116430 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Nebula... < 1292116443 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know that there are less stars in the entire universe than there is Love in God's discarded toenail? < 1292116460 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What is the SI unit for love? < 1292116473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Did you know that there are fewer stars in the entire universe than there are angels that can dance on the head of a pin? < 1292116475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The Jesus. < 1292116482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In terms of base units? < 1292116495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 1 orgasm / minute. < 1292116503 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Orgasm is not a base unit. < 1292116505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Based on measurements of Jesus) < 1292116506 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving only a single /64 and then doing some things wrong, one will break neighbor discovery, making things nasty. < 1292116510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure it is. < 1292116515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's the base unit of LOVE. < 1292116523 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Photons. It's quantum. < 1292116523 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: In every second you're being bombarded by trillions of Love of Jesus photons. This is in spite of the fact that only 0.0001% of them make it through the ozone layer. < 1292116525 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The ozone layer is evil btw) < 1292116532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That all came through at once. < 1292116533 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: What do they do wrong? < 1292116535 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The SI base units are: meter, kilogram, second, ampere, kelvin, candela, and mole. < 1292116542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You forgot orgasm. < 1292116544 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, so did yours, my connection is all wonkulous *shrugs* < 1292116545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And also turkey. < 1292116559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meter, kilogram, second, ampere, kelvin, candela, mole, orgasm and turkey. < 1292116581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sticks several thousand kg m^2/A s^3 through elliot
< 1292116588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm underage! < 1292116594 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about them now, but I heard somebody complain they broke neighbor discovery somehow in the past. < 1292116597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, uh. A? < 1292116598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: FWIW, I did the logical segmentation of the /64 with a bridging firewall (interface-based rules), and some host-lists for services that care. < 1292116601 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ampere. < 1292116604 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote * pikhq sticks several thousand kg m^2/A s^3 through elliot pikhq: I'm underage! < 1292116606 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :242) * pikhq sticks several thousand kg m^2/A s^3 through elliot pikhq: I'm underage! < 1292116613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might have; I had problems with it. < 1292116614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes, I thought you defined that < 1292116617 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wait no < 1292116618 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1292116621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired < 1292116623 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You may know that whole unit as the Volt. < 1292116629 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah indeed < 1292116631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: pikhq: I hope that when they figure out how to define the kilogram independently of a chunk of metal in France or wherever, they also change it to the gram instead. :P < 1292116648 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Would be nice, but that would fuck up many, many derived units. < 1292116650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having "kg" be the base unit and specifying that, when prefixing it, you pretend it's "g" is just COLOSSALLY STUPID. < 1292116653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why? < 1292116655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kg would still be a kg. < 1292116666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mkg! Megakilogram! < 1292116675 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292116717 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't be on here right now < 1292116718 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkg: Kilokilogram < 1292116719 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, but then all of a sudden you've got orders of magnitude between the named derived units and the natural expression in base units. < 1292116730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think I have an awesome idea for a definition of "heat" in GoL < 1292116740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So? < 1292116747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The universe doesn't care about small numbers. :p < 1292116748 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : We'll measure it in Love of Jesus photons! < 1292116748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And that makes things a Pain. < 1292116751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not really. < 1292116756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Just don't use base units when they're a pain ... < 1292116775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, solution: define the base unit as g. Which is defined to be 1/1000 of the weight of the prototype. < 1292116807 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: This is not the whole thing) XOR the current generation with the next generation < 1292116837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blocks are completely cold, blinkers are somwhat warm, but not as hot as some chaos < 1292116844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Problem: the natural unit for power is the milliJoule, the natural unit for force is the milliNewton, the natural unit for resistance is the milliOhm, the natural unit for electric potential is the milliVolt, and so on and so forth. < 1292116850 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is some hot, hot chaor. < 1292116853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, solution: define the base unit as g. Which is defined to be 1/1000 of the weight of the prototype. < 1292116853 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... chaos. < 1292116859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The prototype is *really* obsolete and work is ongoing to replace it now. < 1292116864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is, after all, getting lighter. < 1292116867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know < 1292116885 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, take the heat for generation 1, and XOR it with the heat of generation 2 < 1292116886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Any change to g should be done simultaneously with the change to an actual definition, and there it's easy; just divide the equation by 1000 :P < 1292116891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes the constant factor will be annoying < 1292116895 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similar to a second derivative < 1292116898 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, solution: rename the kg to g < 1292116901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that is painful too < 1292116906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Problem: the natural unit for power is the milliJoule, the natural unit for force is the milliNewton, the natural unit for resistance is the milliOhm, the natural unit for electric potential is the milliVolt, and so on and so forth. < 1292116909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't see why. < 1292116913 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By that measure, blinkers are completely cold < 1292116916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Leave the other units intact. < 1292116922 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I see why easily < 1292116922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If something says kg, keep it saying kg. < 1292116943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arbitrary restrictions the SI definers decided to impose shouldn't stop sanity prevailing :P < 1292116949 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any pattern: keep doing it. If it ever reaches 0, it's Polynomial Heat, otherwise, it's Nonpolynomial Heat < 1292116958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because a Joule is a m^2 kg s^-2, and so a Joule in base units would be *100* m^2 g s^-2. < 1292116969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, 1000. < 1292116979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK. Anything wrong with that? < 1292116993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, *ouch* < 1292116993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a BITCH to do physics with! < 1292117001 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any boring things (things that stay in one play, don't deserve to be called warm) that are nonpolynomial heat? < 1292117002 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which is the only time that you even care about base units! < 1292117011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nobody likes physicists. < 1292117012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, any chance of renaming the kg to be g? < 1292117018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's terrible since g is in use. < 1292117020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rename the kg to... < 1292117022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the... < 1292117025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q! < 1292117026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the gram < 1292117032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gram to the milligram < 1292117033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, because g is in use. < 1292117035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1292117037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :P < 1292117040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better idea: < 1292117051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rename it to the quam. < 1292117054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symbol: q. < 1292117059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kiloquam. < 1292117060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kq. < 1292117062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WORST NAME EVER < 1292117067 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds absurd < 1292117068 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just name it "klograham", where the fact that "klo" sounds a lot like "kilo" and "graham" sounds a lot like "gram" is a coincidence. < 1292117070 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rename it to the grave, the original unit of mass in the French metric system. < 1292117078 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shortform for the klograham will be "kg" < 1292117089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, hah < 1292117107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Said unit of mass is actually about equal to 1 kilogram. < 1292117117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, dammit, because then we'd have to talk about kkgs :P < 1292117122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, "about"? < 1292117145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Make it the k, and then we can measure things in kkks. < 1292117152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's effectively impossible for something other than The Kilogram to be precisely equal to 1 kilogram. < 1292117156 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *knew it* < 1292117169 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I knew you would make a joke about kkk.... < 1292117171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "How heavy is that dude?!" "Oh, about 3 kkk." < 1292117177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "Not cool, man." < 1292117181 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whoah, heavy < 1292117183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU < 1292117189 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the kilogram is, of course, defined as the mass of The Kilogram. Stupid.) < 1292117191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, XD < 1292117198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, kinda like your mom. Who is also, unrelatedly, a KKK member. < 1292117201 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are soooo predictable < 1292117203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: This is because she hates black people. < 1292117219 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's a good reason to be a KKK member. < 1292117222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The best! < 1292117230 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Pretty much the only, actually. < 1292117231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so how is the grave defined? < 1292117269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I dunno man, their robes are pretty slick. < 1292117285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The grave was defined as the mass of 1 cm^3 of water at the melting point of ice. < 1292117303 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That should make more sense than The Kilogram. < 1292117305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The pressure and the composition of the water were not defined. < 1292117315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh we get circular here? < 1292117317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: PRESSURE PUSHIN' DOWN ON ME < 1292117318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1292117320 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then define the pressure and composition of the water! < 1292117338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and how is pressure defined? < 1292117353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A better definition would probably fix Avogadro's number. < 1292117374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01QQZyl-_I < 1292117376 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's broken? < 1292117376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, s/cm^3/dm^3/ < 1292117385 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA 1 liter (not an SI unit). < 1292117400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote zzo38: A better definition would probably fix Avogadro's number. It's broken? < 1292117401 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1292117403 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :243) zzo38: A better definition would probably fix Avogadro's number. It's broken? < 1292117406 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit sad, really, here the physicists were all ready to make the perfect measurement system. but somehow the chemist managed to get a mole in. < 1292117419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, he meant "fix" as in "not variable" < 1292117427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: <3 < 1292117432 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292117440 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chemists < 1292117440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait that wasn't a pun. < 1292117443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it should be a motherfucking unitless quantity. < 1292117446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i thought it was :P < 1292117453 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um yes it was < 1292117454 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1292117455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it was in fact. < 1292117459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1292117460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: <3 < 1292117482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was at first :P < 1292117504 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, COMMENT < 1292117553 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets the pun finally
< 1292117599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{- chirp -} < 1292117610 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, comment on GoL heat < 1292117621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if you don't he'll burn to death < 1292117622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather ironic < 1292117735 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out if an (obviously impossible) dot that appears for 1 gen, then is gone for 2, then repeats, has polynomial heat or not
< 1292117805 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might need paper :/ < 1292117858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do /you/ know the algorithm to calculate a type's induction scheme from its ADT definition? < 1292117908 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hm so the "nth derivative" is found by XORing the (n-1)th derivative with its next generation? < 1292117940 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I think so < 1292117989 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done a similar calculation before, it's pascal's triangle mod 2: 1 11 101 1111 10001 110011 1010101 11111111 1000000001 < 1292118070 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1292118073 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2^n'th "derivative" in fact ends up being just the xor of two 2^n'th apart original generations < 1292118083 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the brain-connections-issue: if there are 10^11 neurons and each one can make 100 connections, then the total possible number of different connections is 10^13 times 10^13, which is about 10^26 ... there are about 10^80 atoms in the universe.. how many stars did u say? 33x10^13 stars.. so it seems i was right.. elliott :> < 1292118089 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-2-154.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1292118092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ^ tell him how he's wrong i'm too lazy < 1292118111 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unless you have a 2^n period, it will _never_ fade out completely to 0 < 1292118113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: erm wait you know this channel is about programming right < 1292118121 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1292118123 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1292118141 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1292118149 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh COME ON it's no more off topic than we use to be < 1292118161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so, polynomial vs nonpolynomial is not too interesting/ < 1292118165 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The pseudomath in hagb4rd's last thing was too mind-bogglingly stupid for me to actually comment on. < 1292118179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I loved pseudomath back in my day < 1292118184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: THAT IS WHY YOU ARE STUPID. < 1292118204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes, but if you don't correct him he'll start believing it and bring it up all the time as a reason to be awed by... something because that's what people look like do, dear god save us and reply to it. < 1292118205 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292118207 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, linky, or just what hagb4rd last said? < 1292118214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I beg thee. < 1292118220 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : on the brain-connections-issue: if there are 10^11 neurons and each one can make 100 connections, then the total possible number of different connections is 10^13 times 10^13, which is about 10^26 ... there are about 10^80 atoms in the universe.. how many stars did u say? 33x10^13 stars.. so it seems i was right.. elliott :> < 1292118240 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: If there are 10^11 neurons and each one can make 100 connections, then the brain can have 10^13 connections. Period. < 1292118267 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1292118292 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mentioned this, because i think there must be an alternative way of addressing.. someway like a neural network < 1292118339 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nevermind < 1292118341 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the rest of your numbers are all wrong, but that's irrelevant in the face of that wtf) < 1292118385 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: hagb4rd: One estimate said 3*10^23. < 1292118435 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: maybe you are right _if_ there were connections between almost every two neurons, but obviously there isn't < 1292118450 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and discard the "100 connections" thing < 1292118465 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not really important.. im really not that good in math < 1292118473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: It seems to me that you are not trying to find out whether it's true, you're just trying to find a way to make it true. < 1292118476 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just forget it < 1292118477 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Even then he'd be off by 4 orders of magnitude. < 1292118487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Besides, if it was true, what would it mean? < 1292118488 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is hagb4rd trying to make true? < 1292118493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it be relevant? I'm actually interested. < 1292118501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that there are more connections in the human mind than there are stars in the universe. < 1292118538 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Stuff that uses actual physical numbers stemming from science. Bleh *gets bored* < 1292118556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Oh. Stuff that uses actual physical numbers stemming from science. Bleh *gets bored* < 1292118563 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :244) Oh. Stuff that uses actual physical numbers stemming from science. Bleh *gets bored* < 1292118587 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell..i was just wondering about life, cosmos and stuff < 1292118605 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me! < 1292118627 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: 42. < 1292118632 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: btw i think they estimate the number of stars by estimating the number and sizes of galaxies (many billions) and estimating the number of stars per galaxy for those nearby enough to count stars (for our own galaxy, also many billions) < 1292118633 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1292118638 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess < 1292118709 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-239-57.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292118717 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel sorry for GoL scientists, who, in a random soup beginning universe, have limited means of learning about the cosmos < 1292118754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : hell..i was just wondering about life, cosmos and stuff < 1292118757 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure the estimate for stars is entirely accurate - red dwarf stars are hard to observe, but then that would give an underestimate < 1292118757 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a way for them to determine the age of the universe, though < 1292118760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: I just want to know what you'd conclude from your statement. < 1292118766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the number of stars relevant to neurons? < 1292118791 0 :Goosey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1292118799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: didn't we have a previous discussion at one time where we assumed the initial soup should be very thin, to avoid too much chaos < 1292118801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, are there any patterns that have ONLY themselves (and other things at a distance of two empty cells or more away, of course) as parents? < 1292118808 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't remember :( < 1292118813 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2:44]i mentioned this, because i think there must be an alternative way of addressing.. someway like a neural network <--- elliott < 1292118816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is such a weird experience being at a party where you speak only one of the two spoken languages there. < 1292118824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: i do not understand < 1292118837 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fold < 1292118865 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i do not understand" is an invitation to speak, not an insult.. at least, if it were coming from me. elliott is caustic < 1292118874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i am actually asking hagb4rd what he means < 1292118874 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it felt weird trying to avoid capitals in that < 1292118881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i legitimately don't understand and want to know < 1292118904 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no idea about self-parent patterns < 1292118915 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes thanks np sgeo, but im not really intrested, sry ;) < 1292118953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: don't reply to me saying you're right if you're not going to elaborate when i ask sincerely. < 1292118963 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if there were, and there was some chaos in the universe, and they knew how often some such patterns should appear, and know how likely such patterns are to decay, etc. etc. < 1292118971 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "decay" < 1292118976 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But be hit by random universe chaos < 1292118997 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is similar to decay, kind of < 1292119076 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I still don't remember that discussion :( < 1292119096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well i'm not sure who was there < 1292119114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was many months ago, at least < 1292119199 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea i think was that it would be easier for life to survive in such an environment < 1292119424 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292119541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if i start an esowiki project to create formal definitions of the multiple facets of Turing-completeness, accounting for disagreements about ais-style proofs, and Befunge/index.php type scenarios and Easy, can I coerce you into participating? < 1292119556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need an actual mathematician to give the scribbles credibility :D < 1292119564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very unlikely < 1292119673 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I would like there to be such a project on esowiki, though. < 1292119675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: free cookies. < 1292120032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "Befunge/index.php"? < 1292120045 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free air! < 1292120072 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doesn't TCness have a formal definition? < 1292120084 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in the original church-turing thingy < 1292120094 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But sometimes there are strange circumstances < 1292120107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, ... go on < 1292120108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Church-Turing thesis? If so: that's just a non-mathematical conjecture. < 1292120119 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :èlhm < 1292120121 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1292120122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm* < 1292120127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge/index.php is my language which ais523 has proved both TC and not. < 1292120132 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: See the [[Befunge/index.php]] and [[Easy]] pages on the esolang wiki for more information. < 1292120134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Proof that the language is Turing-complete: you can trivially write a BF interpreter in it, by reading strings from user input onto the stack (easy in Befunge-93), then running them. < 1292120134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Proof that the language is not Turing-complete: it's impossible to compile all Turing machines into it, because there are an infinite number of Turing machines yet a finite number of Befunge/index.php programs." < 1292120152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Easy has the same basic situation (there's one program and it's a brainfuck interpreter). < 1292120170 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, .... wow < 1292120175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about those proofs) < 1292120181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The basic definition used is... "can emulate all universal Turing machines", although it's hard to distinguish that from "can emulate *a* universal Turing machine" and ... it's basically a clusterfuck. < 1292120182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually one is false I think < 1292120199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Both are true. They exploit the informality of the definition of Turing-complete. < 1292120208 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes we get even more strange situations..... < 1292120211 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in the second case, what is the input < 1292120214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and what is the program < 1292120216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What? < 1292120242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is the input not actually part of the program? < 1292120277 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if we get rid of the concept of input this can trivially be resolved. Since all input is then part of the program < 1292120290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That does not solve the problem in the slightest. < 1292120296 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how does it not? < 1292120305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It may solve it for Befunge/index.php but it doesn't solve it for anything else. < 1292120310 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay < 1292120321 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it also solves it for Easy < 1292120331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy is a pathological case :P < 1292120338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, easy to solve yes < 1292120360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, P'' had no I/O. I/O has no place in a definition of TC. < 1292120366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes it does. < 1292120375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same reason it's in the Halting problem. < 1292120376 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it just complicates stuff < 1292120378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO is just functions. < 1292120381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions have results. < 1292120384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions have inputs. < 1292120384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1292120389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, what we need is multiple precise, mathematical definitions; it seems clear that there are at least three things people mean when saying "Turing-complete" and surely certainly more; these should all be formalised separately. < 1292120409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pipe dream: Coq library with all of them defined and a framework for proving things are $variation_on_TC in Coq.) < 1292120414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That would be really nice.) < 1292120430 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why the silly name Befunge/index.php? < 1292120475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Talk:Befunge/index.php was created protected because it was a frequent spambot target. ais noted in his protect message that it would only be useful in the unlikely case that someone invented a language named Befunge/index.php. < 1292120487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, of course, being me... < 1292120508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I created it just to troll the esolang wiki into arguing over its TCness :P But I didn't think it was actually legitimately ambiguous. < 1292120514 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "In spring of this year on the IRC channel I proposed a language called ℒ. ℒ is a severely restricted subset of your favourite indisputably Turing-complete language (say, Pascal) -- so severely restricted, in fact, that you can only write a single program in ℒ. But that program is a Universal Turing Machine simulator. Is ℒ Turing-complete? " < 1292120521 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1292120523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I remember that discussion < 1292120533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: indeed < 1292120553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey adamantly holds the position that you must be able to write a program for *every* Turing machine to qualify as TC < 1292120566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., a brainfuck interpreter where you can specify an input of arbitrary size in the interpreter program qualifies < 1292120573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as a proof) < 1292120580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not a "regular" brainfuck interpreter that reads from stdin < 1292120592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1292120597 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how does that even make sense < 1292120621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It makes perfect sense. < 1292120648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If the program size is bounded, then there isn't a program for every Turing machine. < 1292120667 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and blah blah blah this is boring shut up Chris." <--- what < 1292120706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1292120717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but why does there have to be one for every TM? < 1292120746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because otherwise the language where there's only one program and it's a BF interpreter is TC. < 1292120778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is, of course, completely useless and you can't write any program you want in it. < 1292120792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey believes this is sufficient justification for not believing it to be TC; your definition may vary. < 1292120803 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Issues of input < 1292120807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in some sense of TC he is right < 1292120812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moral of the story, TC is ambiguous. < 1292120816 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds almost like when I deluded myself into thinking I disproved God via math < 1292120816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My WHOLE POINT is that there are multiple valid definitions. < 1292120818 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed < 1292120820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1292120821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What? < 1292120824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, that just sounds idiotic. < 1292120856 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of decided that uncomputable meant unknowable, and that therefore Chaitin's constant was an unknowable number < 1292120870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if God's supposed to know everything... < 1292120901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my idea of "uncomputable = unknowable" had something to do with Oracle machines and input < 1292120907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "Rock heavy enough God can't lift it" is the same damned argument. < 1292120934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the best "mathematical" argument for god is the natural numbers. And even that's silly. < 1292120942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You do realise we know values of the Busy Beaver function, which is uncomputable? < 1292120942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except yours is weaker. "Uncomputable" generally means "uncomputable using a UTM", not... That. < 1292121000 0 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7e63.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292121012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Also, you can work out N prefix bits of a given halting constant with a lot of effort. < 1292121027 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any N? < 1292121035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Depends how good a mathematician you are... < 1292121059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The first four bits of binary lambda calculus's Chaitin's constant are .0001. < 1292121090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I mean, you can do it just by looking at every program with N bits in it and proving whether it halts or not. < 1292121097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's just numberthathalt/numberthatdon't. < 1292121119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for a simple language like binary lambda calculus, it's not hard to calculate the first few bits. < 1292121137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. It has been proven that Sigma(12) > g1. < 1292121162 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was thinking "Oracle machine hooked up to input to make machine that outputs a Chaitin's constant using fewer... symbols than should be expected". < 1292121163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(g1 being the starting value in the sequence that defined Graham's number) < 1292121165 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that < 1292121173 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention I no longer believe this? < 1292121192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is to say, it's greater than 3 uparrow^4 3) < 1292121226 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Hmm. Actually, the lower bound for the entire sequence is known. < 1292121252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigma(2k) > 3 uparrow^k-2 3. < 1292121268 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... Absurd. < 1292121302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What an upper bound :P < 1292121317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1292121319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Wow. Lower bound. < 1292121321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Lovely :P < 1292121337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not sure I believe in numbers that big. < 1292121340 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Sigma(12) < 1292121356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: busy beaver < 1292121360 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sigma(n) is the Busy Beaver function. < 1292121365 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1292121370 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: G_1 is 3^^^^3, if it's defined correctly. :P < 1292121374 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G_0 is, of course, 4. < 1292121398 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ... Yes... < 1292121399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: And G_2 is a pony! < 1292121407 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely. G_2 is a pony. < 1292121424 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: And G_64 is insane. < 1292121427 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a pony. < 1292121433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should just replace every number larger than, say, 26 in mathematical literature with a pink, sparkly picture of a pony. < 1292121436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be much nicer. < 1292121450 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 27 is an important number, so we should keep it. < 1292121460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think pony is an important number too. < 1292121488 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :163 is also a pretty important number, come to think of it, because e^(pi*sqrt(163)) is within 0.0000000000001 of an integer. < 1292121505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It's also within 0 of an integer!* < 1292121511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*0 is a rounded value here < 1292121527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "Semi-implicit batched remote code execution as staging" --Oleg < 1292121535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hypothesis: For any string of words, Oleg can be smarter than you about it. < 1292121537 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think we should replace the term "number" with "pink, sparkly picture of a pony". < 1292121543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YES. < 1292121551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graham's pink, sparkly picture of a pony is very large. < 1292121563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would take more space than there is in the universe to draw it. < 1292121609 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same is true of the g1 pink, sparkly picture of a pony. < 1292121635 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's larger than the pink, sparkly picture of a pony of Planck volumes in the Universe. < 1292121667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://okmij.org/ftp/DreamOS.html < 1292121842 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, Planck units are most definitely the most awesome system of units ever. < 1292121977 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's definitely something to be said for E=m. < 1292122001 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MEAN E = m^2 + p^2 < 1292122020 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1292122022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: E=E < 1292122023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOA < 1292122025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M LIKE AYN RAND < 1292122028 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*YOU MEAN E^2 = m^2 + p^2 < 1292122030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXCEPT 4 LETTERS ONWARDS < 1292122032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUUUUDE < 1292122044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean E = vibrating strings < 1292122047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prepares for swatting
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ACTION swats elliott in E minor -----###
< 1292122076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, I definitely meant E=m. Who cares about the energy of an object in motion, anyways? :P < 1292122130 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS THE KIND OF ATTITUDE THAT HAS LEAD TO THE CURRENT OBESITY EPIDEMIC < 1292122162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1292122176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you need like a web form where people can file requests to be married to you, just for a few weeks < 1292122179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be very profitable < 1292122193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1292122218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: don't you agree, i mean < 1292122224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comment totally warrants brief matrimony. < 1292122233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Totally. < 1292122251 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Warrants brief polyamorous matrimony. < 1292122258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO HE'S ALL MINE < 1292122264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets swatten
< 1292122402 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292122478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "InDecember 1999, it was found that Netscape Communicator used ROT-13 as part of an insecure scheme to store email passwords." < 1292122481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*In December < 1292122525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1292122884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm. Can you change the page size on x86-64? < 1292122964 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1292122982 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1292123062 0 :nooga_!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1292123558 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope. The page sizes are fixed. < 1292123583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: That's a shame. 4K is so tiny. < 1292123592 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are 4MB ones too... < 1292123693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Eh? < 1292123698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: You can use 4MB pages? < 1292123744 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-239-57.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292123787 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's flag in second-to-lowest page table structure on if the entry is pointer to 1024 page structure or pointer to page itself (if it is pointer to page, it will be 4MB). < 1292123870 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, at least late iteration X86s supported 4MB pages, and I presume X86-64s do too...) < 1292123923 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it might be that X86-64 had 4kB and 2MB page sizes... < 1292123949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Hmm... would be nice to have something inbetween, say 1MB. < 1292124001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86-64 supports up to 1GiB pages. < 1292124038 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, only three page sizes: 4KiB, 2MiB and 1GiB (which may not be supported). < 1292124049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, those are the only ones. < 1292124090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 base, PSE+PAE, and... Absurd. < 1292124125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1GiB pages X-D < 1292124133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, it's only absurd with respect to the currently available RAM, not with respect to address space or all of what could reasonably *have* an address.) < 1292124133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a whole 12 pages on a super-high-end desktop system! < 1292124150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in THIS case I actually have all of disk. But not all of it will have page entries. < 1292124166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, that's 2048 theoretical maximum pages on the biggest reasonable consumer disk manufactured today :P < 1292124167 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason why it is 1GiB is that it is next level of aggeration (512 2MiB pages). < 1292124215 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like 2MiB/4MiB is the next step from 4KiB. < 1292124232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how easy is it to use 2 MiB pages in an OS? I mean, compared to the code requires to use 4 KiB. < 1292124291 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if one wanted to use 2MiB pages only, perhaps even sightly simpler than using 4KiB pages... < 1292124309 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since that would cause one page table level to vanish. < 1292124319 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For a 4 MiB page, one simply sets the PSE flag in the page table. < 1292124325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds nice. < 1292124329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that, then. < 1292124348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: For a 2 MiB page, one simply also supports PAE, which has the side effect of halving the larger page size. < 1292124369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And x86-64 is based on PAE. < 1292124377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (Great idea, that; base your next-generation future-proof architecture on a massive hack.) < 1292124408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They really, really should have thrown out more of x86 with that. < 1292124441 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they threw out most of segmentation... < 1292124480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: still have to deal with it in real mode :) < 1292124497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, segmentation only exists for privilege seperation now, thankfully. < 1292124521 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, 32 bit protected mode is the worst... < 1292124530 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 16-bit. < 1292124532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: It would be wonderful if x86-64 specified some IO port stuff you could do that would make it automatically turn on the A20 line and switch into long mode, and give some flag back that x86 wouldn't (make it be something that does nothing on plain x86). < 1292124555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Then you could just make your initial bootsector be "shove to IO port; check response; if it's good, jump into 64-bit code; otherwise error message". < 1292124558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But noooo. < 1292124572 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, measure of heat that is simpler than "destroyed blocks", but has the same "problem" of internal activity with no external activity being cold: Draw a bounding box. Count how many generations it takes for an escape of the bounding box. 1/that is the heat < 1292124573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have to go through real mode, check CPUID, disable the A20 line ourselves, go into protected mode, and go into long mode. < 1292124580 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Or even *write an actual address to jump to* to that IO port. < 1292124597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That would work, but IO ports touching the instruction pointer feels really weird to me. < 1292124603 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that's crap < 1292124613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fair enough. < 1292124640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right now I'm going slowly (quickly) insane trying to get into long mode and set up a page fault handler. < 1292124645 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Draw bounding box. Advance until it's about to escape. Count how many cells escape < 1292124671 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do some fudge factor to make it comparible usefully < 1292124776 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... Huh. PAE is actually nowhere near as bad of a hack as you'd think. < 1292124813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It totally is, though. :p < 1292124828 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Setting the PAE bit of CR4 changes the entire page data structure. < 1292124838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1292124903 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Each entry in the page table becomes double the size, and there's another level of nesting in the paging. < 1292124938 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And x86-64 adds yet another level of nesting. < 1292124939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hey can you link me to your protected mode / long mode snippets so i can steal them again :D < 1292125136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha found it < 1292125184 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292125767 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1292125882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Paging sure is complicated. < 1292125890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love headphones. < 1292125930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you don't seem to be on the same page < 1292125955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parties are loud. And I wish not to leave the basement. < 1292125967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And headphones solve much of the noise problem. < 1292125994 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly enough, parties are even *louder* when half of the people in attendance are deaf. < 1292126047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: Paging sure is complicated. < 1292126055 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis. < 1292126060 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation sucks. < 1292126162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I JUST WANT TO GO INTO LONG MODE WHY DO I HAVE TO SET ALL THIS STUFF UP MAN? YOU HATE ME, CPU < 1292126216 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Would it make you feel better to know that they actually expend valuable wafer space on this bullshit? < 1292126220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Probably not, no. < 1292126261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm not entirely sure *what* is in the wafer of a modern x86-64 processor... everything's so small that they can fit Micro Manhattan in there, and yet chips aren't really getting smaller... WAIT! < 1292126264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've figured it out! < 1292126272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: To comply with the GFDL, they have a copy of Wikipedia in there. < 1292126280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, that's the source of ALL computing bloat. < 1292126299 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're so wrong, it hurts < 1292126317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: You mean they don't REALLY have a copy of Wikipedia in there to comply with the GFDL??????????????????????????? < 1292126376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: ????????????///////////////// < 1292126378 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: All computing bloat but that of Microsoft. < 1292126388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, they have a copy of Wikipedia in there too. It's a long story. < 1292126404 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, they have 1) a compiler 2) a VM 3) an interpreter 4) an optimizer 5) a copy of Windows 6) several encryption/compression algorithms, such as AES, DES, and MPEG < 1292126408 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Microsoft also has a copy of every single version of Windows in there, for the sake of compatibility. < 1292126409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1292126419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: WOW THAT IS GOOD TO KNOW, BECAUSE I WAS BEING TOTALLY SERIOUS < 1292126421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you're full of shit < 1292126431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when does x86-64 have an interpreter in it < 1292126432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: On the silicon? < 1292126433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or an optimiser < 1292126446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they have shit to SUPPORT MPEG, but they don't have an actual MPEG codec. < 1292126447 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, *my* processor has those < 1292126449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be ridiculous. < 1292126451 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: No. < 1292126456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: on what grounds do you claim this? < 1292126467 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the docs. < 1292126470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: It has opcodes to make those algorithms more efficient. < 1292126472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Which docs? < 1292126489 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/padlock/hardware.jsp < 1292126494 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :among others < 1292126507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: OK, link me to the page where it says "We have an actual complete MPEG decoder in hardware." < 1292126558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: I'm waiting... < 1292126563 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/processors/c7/ "all VIA C-Series mobile chipsets integrate hardware MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 decoding acceleration" < 1292126575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: That's marketing bullshit. Note "acceleration". < 1292126577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That acceleration is not a full MPEG decoder. < 1292126588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: What they mean is there are instructions dedicated to certain tasks which, when implemented in an MPEG decoder, speed up the process. < 1292126589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odds are, it's a fast inverse discrete cosine transform. < 1292126600 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Now where's the interpreter? And the optimiser? < 1292126621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: (Also the copy of Windows...) < 1292126643 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pretty standard features... it interprets the machine instructions, and optimizes them when it can < 1292126660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: That's not an interpreter ... That's silicon. < 1292126666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so it's microcode, but it's *not* an interpreter. < 1292126675 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psshh < 1292126675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: And no, CPUs aren't in the business of optimising their instructions... < 1292126689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Pipelining and the like, yes. Branch prediction, yes. Outright optimisation, *no*, far too expensive. < 1292126695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: OK, where's the compiler? < 1292126701 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call pipelining optimization < 1292126707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: OK, where's the compiler? < 1292126718 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiler = interpreter + optimization, obviously < 1292126721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: I call anything faster than a room full of females optimization. < 1292126729 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: And NO IT FUCKING ISN'T. < 1292126741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is ... not what a compiler is. < 1292126748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what an optimising interpreter is. < 1292126763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: You're obviously just trolling, so here we go: where's the claimed copy of Windows? < 1292126798 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see #2 in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_evaluation#Futamura_projections < 1292126816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: I know what the Futamura projections are. Specialisation is one of my great loves. < 1292126827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: An interpreter and an optimiser together do NOT a specialiser make. < 1292126831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no idea what you are talking about. < 1292126837 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Specialisation is *very* different from optimization. < 1292126847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A specialiser optimises, but an optimiser doesn't specialise. < 1292126862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually, a specialiser doesn't necessarily optimise. < 1292126868 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, whatever. I'll agree there's (probably) no copy of Windows < 1292126872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It's a useless specialiser if it doesn't. < 1292126883 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Never said it was a *useful* specialiser. :) < 1292126929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Where's the VM? < 1292126953 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you mean "virtual memory" by that, I'll hunt you down and kick you into next week.) < 1292126982 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I start weeks on Sundays, that means tomorrow. < 1292127004 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll just fall asleep instead of letting you kick me < 1292127006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Far* into next week. < 1292127015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: You really don't start weeks on Sundays, you just claim to. < 1292127043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have noted several people who like to say that for them the week starts on Sunday and they all feel very strongly about it being "right". They also go "oh no, the weekend is over, it's Monday and a new week begins!!!111". < 1292127048 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no... sunday is "noneday", and I count starting from 0 < 1292127056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: No you don't. You really don't. < 1292127065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just saying that because it sounds interesting. < 1292127099 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sunday the unday < 1292127119 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no... listen to J. H. Conway some time < 1292127147 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Stop being psuedoïntelligent for a bit. < 1292127157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: are you just naming all these things and people thinking I don't know what or who they are? < 1292127165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Presumably you are referring to the Domesday algorithm. < 1292127169 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... < 1292127180 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Doomsday. < 1292127186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: But I am about 90% sure that you do not, actually, think of Sunday as Noneday. And that you do not actually start counting at 0. < 1292127188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Whatever :P < 1292127194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: At least not for days of the week. < 1292127253 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how I could tell where I start counting, other than saying that I do < 1292127290 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped counting out loud long long ago... < 1292127302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly certain that he typically just thinks of the names of celestial bodies and/or associated deities with "day" appended for the days of the week. < 1292127366 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what? then why would I have trouble remembering how to spell "Wednesday"? < 1292127405 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Because you have *extreme* difficulty remembering the Old English term for Odin. < 1292127453 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you might be right < 1292127536 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know enough about Odin to know if I've forgotten about (it/him/...) < 1292127701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: https://gist.github.com/657234#LID75 In which olsner manages to make me hate real mode. < 1292127703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1292127705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: https://gist.github.com/657234#LID75 In which olsner manages to make me hate long mode. < 1292127846 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Clearly, "jmp rip+0" should be enough to initial long mode. < 1292127851 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Initiate. < 1292127874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MAKE THE PAIN GO AWAY < 1292127959 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts elliot out of his misery
< 1292127967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also puts elliott into further misery.
< 1292127968 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1292128000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1292129174 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multicast:manypeople::?:oneperson < 1292129207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: unicast < 1292129212 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1292129213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: (this is the technical term) < 1292129218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: also dude you can use spaces < 1292129220 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1292129224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multicast:many people :: ?:one person < 1292129237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm quintopia < 1292129242 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1292129250 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a stylistic thing < 1292129255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to read. :p < 1292129287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fun fact! "if (write(fd,buf,n) < 0) { perror("write"); exit(1); }" prints "write: Success" and exits with failure on HALF of all possible bufs. < 1292129306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Why? Because sizeof(size_t) = sizeof(ssize_t); write takes the former and returns the latter. < 1292129309 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VLC_Icon.svg < 1292129312 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION stares
< 1292129315 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERTY GRADIENTS < 1292129318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (I suppose one could make ssize_t a bigger integer, but nobody does.) < 1292129318 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRADIENTS < 1292129325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You're fucking psycho. < 1292129353 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reason I have a link to a bunch of Nuvola icons on User:Sgeo < 1292129375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because you're fucking psycho? < 1292129410 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nuvola-like_mail_internet.PNG you can't tell me that this isn't pretty < 1292129447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It really isn't. < 1292129458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That globe-and-plug thing looks awful on it. As well as making evry little sense. < 1292129463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the envelope has an awkward angle. < 1292129469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ... no, no it's not pretty. You're insane. < 1292129485 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about just the globe part? < 1292129535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: IT'S NOT PRETTY < 1292129544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could not stare at it for more than two seconds. < 1292129561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuvola is one of the worst icon sets ever created, switching to it turns your desktop into a lens flare generator. < 1292129609 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gibbers in joy at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuvola
< 1292129619 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes < 1292129621 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gibbering < 1292129628 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in "gibbering idiot" right? < 1292129642 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it "gibbering lunatic"? < 1292129699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: HAPPY FOURTH BIRTHDAY < 1292129725 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1292129733 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there GNOME icons for Nuvola < 1292129736 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: link me to something you would describe as pretty < 1292129740 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuvola makes me think very KDE thoughts < 1292129743 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in the visually attractive sense) < 1292129757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Imagine the opposite of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuvola#Examples_of_icons. < 1292129779 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a subjective thing. link me to the opposite for you -.- < 1292129788 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT TO KNOW HOW YOUR MIND WORKS < 1292129794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Link to something pretty" is a pretty vague question ... < 1292129802 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1292129805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of hard to do on the spot. < 1292129820 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next time you see something pretty, link me < 1292129821 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is pretty imo: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Nuvola_icons < 1292129932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's hard. "This is pretty" is a rare thought for me; "beautiful" maybe. < 1292129942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prettiness tends to be rather vapid and flashy ... like Nuvola ... < 1292129949 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: beautiful is good enough. do that then. < 1292129958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: But that's even harder. < 1292129968 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't go out of your way < 1292129974 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just next time it happens and you remember < 1292129984 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is just trying to hide the fact he thinks _everything_ is ugly < 1292129994 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh geez yeah those icons suck balls < 1292129997 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1292130021 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: must be a lonely sad depressing life < 1292130041 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For regular use maybe, I don't know, but surely to look at on occasion... < 1292130048 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HIM NOT ME < 1292130073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i think plenty of things are beautiful, oerjan just likes to project his crankiness onto me :) < 1292130090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah nuvola is like staring at a lightbulb < 1292130109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES < 1292130214 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I ever mentioned the dumb stuff I've done with a lightbulb < 1292130257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Oh god. < 1292130272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Come to think of it, the last few things I've thought "wow, that's pretty" have probably been in Minecraft, and I probably didn't screenshot them. < 1292130279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such is the way of random number generators. < 1292130297 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1292130446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://www.math.cornell.edu/~mec/2008-2009/HoHonLeung/fig.7.png This might be pretty. < 1292130451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, I am no good at introspection. < 1292130478 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a trefoil eh? < 1292130495 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like symmetry? < 1292130512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I suppose so? :p < 1292130534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 3D version http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/trefoil.gif would be nicer, except the shading and colours are horrible. < 1292130539 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like my women as symmetrical as i can get them, so i suppose i can relate :P < 1292130567 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :render your own trefoil in a raytracer < 1292130585 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ball-shaped women ftw < 1292130587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. i've never used a raytracer and don't really want to < 1292130594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1292130630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: google helped me find this http://i35.tinypic.com/1r42zd.jpg < 1292130632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :symmetrical! < 1292130664 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirrored people always look bizarre. < 1292130670 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even me, and i'm perfect < 1292130694 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, symmetry isn't my only criterion in women) < 1292130700 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Stop looking at blinkers as being + shaped. They're not < 1292130700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's offensive, i was in a mirror accident and now my second half is a permanent mirror < 1292130704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing is kind of difficult < 1292130749 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With narrow spacing of blocks, even the block definition of heat has blinkers being warm < 1292130750 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote < elliott> quintopia: that's offensive, i was in a mirror accident and now my second half is a permanent mirror < 1292130757 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that how that works... < 1292130760 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rifj yeotu slaøy lseo < 1292130773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how did i parse that < 1292130776 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :245) < elliott> quintopia: that's offensive, i was in a mirror accident and now my second half is a permanent mirror < 1292130781 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1292130790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/< ell/ quintopia: that's offensive, i was in a mirror accident and now my second half is a permanent mirror < 1292130797 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it that hackbot has such a long warm-up period? < 1292130799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1292130803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know, did it make sense? < 1292130810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/\< ell/ quintopia: that's offensive, i was in a mirror accident and now my second half is a permanent mirror < 1292130814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1292130822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1292130828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "if you say so" < 1292130836 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: while you're at it, tack the typing thing on the end < 1292130840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1292130845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quadrescence: wut? < 1292130846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1292130847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wut? < 1292130858 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next line "typing is kind of difficult" < 1292130881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody's said that < 1292130894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1292130895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1292130895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1292130909 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have been the mirror half < 1292130918 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just a line in a plaintext file? < 1292130920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '245s/$/ typing is kind of difficult/' quotes < 1292130924 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292130927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yep. it was previously a sqlite db < 1292130932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i chucked all that out and rewrote the system unixy < 1292130936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 245 < 1292130938 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :245) quintopia: that's offensive, i was in a mirror accident and now my second half is a permanent mirror typing is kind of difficult < 1292130989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/quotes is the raw quote database < 1292131006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:53:32 addquote http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/addquote < 1292131006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:53:32 allquotes http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/allquotes < 1292131006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:53:32 quote http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/quote < 1292131006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:53:32 pastequotes http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/pastequotes < 1292131006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:53:32 And the latest quote database is always available at http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/quotes. < 1292131013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ^ all the sources < 1292131014 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose flat files makes sense for a channel this small, but when i create a hackbot to take over the IRC universe, it will use a db :P < 1292131025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, there's actually now also http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/pastenquotes < 1292131029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: and it was *way* slower with a DB < 1292131039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: unix is fast. < 1292131058 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i wouldn't switch over until 100000 quotes < 1292131086 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or until i need the ability to search for specific quotes easily by content) < 1292131090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: err, i can do that < 1292131094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes oklo < 1292131095 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well it usually works :D < 1292131105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's called grep. < 1292131107 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you can only use regexes and such < 1292131115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: as opposed to... < 1292131122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: and even after 100000 quotes it still wouldn't be faster than e.g. a strfile-indexed file < 1292131124 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't attach category lists to quotes < 1292131139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nobody can be arsed to do that. < 1292131152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody fundamentally gives a shit about qdbs, good luck trying to make them < 1292131160 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would write a learning system to do it if i had 100000 quotes to categorize :P < 1292131168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes ell < 1292131169 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1292131178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ell < 1292131180 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :29) PA ET ANNET UNIVERSET DER DE ENESTE PERSONEN OERJAN: sa jeg kan bare konkludere med at det er feil, eller er verden helt bonkers \ 53) Gregor is often a scandalous imposter. It's all the hats, I tell you. \ 75) ehird: every set can be well-ordered. corollary: every set s has the same diagram used < 1292131185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1292131187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l bin/quotes < 1292131190 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 9 Dec 12 05:19 bin/quotes -> bin/quote < 1292131191 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i realize that i'm never going to do this, it being that i don't give a shit either) < 1292131196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oklo < 1292131198 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :37) i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. \ 39) anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true should put that on my todo list \ 42) i'm my dad's unborn sister \ 52) oklofok: I'm a tad over-apologetic. I apologize. \ 55) GregorR: are you < 1292131202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes oklo < 1292131203 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131204 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bin/bin/quote? < 1292131205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYMLINK FAIL < 1292131210 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god it's so active in here tonight < 1292131212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd bin; ls -l quotes < 1292131214 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrwxrwxrwx 1 5000 0 9 Dec 12 05:19 quotes -> bin/quote < 1292131216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LOZL < 1292131224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run unlink bin/quotes; cd bin; ln -s quote quotes < 1292131225 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wareya: RUN IN FEAR < 1292131226 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes oklo < 1292131230 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131231 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes oklo < 1292131232 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :37) i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. \ 39) anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true should put that on my todo list \ 42) i'm my dad's unborn sister \ 52) oklofok: I'm a tad over-apologetic. I apologize. \ 55) GregorR: are you < 1292131235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1292131245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1292131247 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16424 < 1292131252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16424 < 1292131253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best quotes < 1292131267 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's the best way to select a random line? < 1292131269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy SHIT it's 5:20 am! < 1292131270 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1292131273 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.22726 < 1292131275 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1292131283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I use shuf; http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/quote < 1292131284 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17216 < 1292131295 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 69 < 1292131295 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :69) if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has \ 169) (in #irp) Flonk, ask on #esoteric? Sgeo: yeah well its C++, so not that esoteric :P < 1292131298 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, why are those links broken? < 1292131301 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Vorpal loves the sodomy. elliott, sure why not \ 232) [...] ALWAYS OPEN TO TRYING NEW THINGS. \ 233) So it's not exactly trivial. [Later about same thing] It's a trivial C program :P \ 241) ONLY GOOD QUOTES PLEASE! AND NO FAKE ONES EITHER! \ 242) * pikhq sticks < 1292131303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: give it time < 1292131306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try reloading < 1292131314 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It'd be nice if `quote 69 didn't give you 169 and 269 too :P < 1292131319 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has < 1292131338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: `quote ^69\) :P < 1292131356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't want to make it impossible to search for a number. Admittedly you could do that by doing (93) or whatever. < 1292131358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Okay, I'll do it. < 1292131379 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad I've made such persuasive arguments. < 1292131424 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 69) < 1292131425 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131432 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: poor you and your lack of sleep < 1292131438 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My quotes are boring < 1292131445 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my quotes are non-existent < 1292131450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote My quotes are boring < 1292131452 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :246) My quotes are boring < 1292131453 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i don't talk < 1292131464 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get a word in edgewise next to elliott :P < 1292131473 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliquintopia < 1292131475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nobody can, the graphs prove it < 1292131497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i was the most active talker when i was only on for two hours or so, at night, on an iphone, concealing this fact < 1292131504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my life's achievement < 1292131505 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the evidence before the court is incontrovertible, there's no need for the jury to retire. < 1292131519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I still like XOR Heat, despite the uselessness of polynomial heat vs not < 1292131529 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(verdict: you have no life) < 1292131539 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP elliott < 1292131562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hard to have a life in a mental unit. < 1292131577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have gone insane without the wonders of mobile data links. < 1292131632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '#!/bin/sh' >bin/quote < 1292131633 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131638 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely you could have smuggled a knife into your room somehow? there's no end of fun to be had with a knife... < 1292131641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then' >>bin/quote < 1292131641 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ' if [ "$(($1+0))" = "$1" ]; then' >>bin/quote < 1292131649 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: good to know your sanity is still intact < 1292131659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ' sed "$1{p;q};d"' >>bin/quote < 1292131660 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ' else' >>bin/quote < 1292131666 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ' egrep -i -- "$1"' >>bin/quote < 1292131672 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ' fi' >>bin/quote < 1292131678 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131679 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Good lord man X_X < 1292131682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'else shuf -n 1; fi' >>bin/quote < 1292131683 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i actually wrote those lines on the spot! < 1292131694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that sentence would be true, were it not a lie! < 1292131698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote penis < 1292131699 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :69) if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has \ 106) A person's sex is not the same thing as their penis length. < 1292131703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 69 < 1292131704 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :69) if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has \ 69) if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has < 1292131707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1292131717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote (69) < 1292131718 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :69) if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has \ 169) (in #irp) Flonk, ask on #esoteric? Sgeo: yeah well its C++, so not that esoteric :P < 1292131723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it almost works :D < 1292131735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1292131753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1292131777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ sed "$1{p;q};d"/ sed "$1q;d"/' bin/quote < 1292131779 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292131787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 69 < 1292131798 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :69) if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has < 1292131802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was quite slow < 1292131803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1292131804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 69 < 1292131805 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :69) if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has < 1292131807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1292131809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote (69) < 1292131811 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :69) if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has \ 169) (in #irp) Flonk, ask on #esoteric? Sgeo: yeah well its C++, so not that esoteric :P < 1292131816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: leet unix coder, at your service < 1292131822 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1292131849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1292131884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you have a tmi story relating to that quote? < 1292131887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this i gotta hear < 1292131914 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it involve the phrase "or more precisely, pre-op transexual" < 1292131937 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's less of a story, and more of an incorrect belief I had as a kid < 1292131940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hellooooooooo Sine! < 1292131953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: (I think Ami pumped oestrogen into #lobby.) < 1292131967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Oh contravarsy) < 1292131968 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Funny since Ami is a bot run by a male :P < 1292131970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Am I a bad person yet?) < 1292131975 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oyster gene < 1292131979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *by a male... FOR NOW < 1292131983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, by a (male... FOR NOW) < 1292131988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN < 1292132063 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mom told me that girls were different from boys, and my creativity was very limited. I thought "almost exactly the same, except at the tip" < 1292132088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... and ... uh, what was the difference at the tip ... < 1292132140 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of a slit, I thought maybe a star, for example < 1292132164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wow. < 1292132191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Girl With The Starry Urethra. < 1292132251 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sure-fire path to stardom < 1292132279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What, can girls aim their penises better? < 1292132282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR PUNS REQUIRE SCIENTIFIC BACKING < 1292132306 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oerjan: What, can girls aim their penises better? < 1292132306 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :247) oerjan: What, can girls aim their penises better? < 1292132326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I should have added "starry" in there to complete the quote's perfection :P < 1292132338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having nightmarish images in my head now of a penis with a starry urethral opening. < 1292132340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god it's terrifying. < 1292132347 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to add datestamps to the bot, so we can find out the context of quote < 1292132348 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1292132375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's called a copy of the logs and grep. < 1292132389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Or... just looking at the hg history on the HackEgo log. < 1292132414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Anyway, are you sure you want people to be able to find what you said easily forever? :P < 1292132450 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually I occasionally recreate HackEgo's hg repo, losing (from the perspective of the public viewer) all history. < 1292132463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that's revisionism for you < 1292132485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know who else liked revisionism? stalin! < 1292132543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and hitler! < 1292132558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and their baby, stalitler. unfortunately the world was not ready for gay couples to have babies and it was killed shortly after. < 1292132559 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, but then he wrote the Declaration of Independence, founded the USSR (United States Soviet Region) and began a reign of prosperity that lasts to this very day. < 1292132561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a true shame < 1292132580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I approve of this history, the only history. And also the true history. < 1292132825 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Soviet America, history alter you. < 1292132863 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And negros are lynching you) < 1292133129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, suppose life moved at c/2 orthogonally < 1292133144 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's call the direction of movement EAST < 1292133160 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How will that affect what they can perceive, what experiments they can run? < 1292133173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan, suppose life moved at c/2 orthogonally < 1292133175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be very fast! < 1292133179 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that completely unlikely. < 1292133189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c/2s can't do much that isn't moving. < 1292133236 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but if we were all in it together, it'd be just business as usual in our reference frame (although, significant blueshifting and redshifting of the night sky maybe?) < 1292133237 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't it been proved that ships cannot go faster than c/2 < 1292133250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we're talking about game of life. < 1292133251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. < 1292133276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: intelligent life moving at c/2 would have to compute *and* do half of moving in one generation, or something < 1292133279 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i thought you were making a joke by remapping it to real life < 1292133282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: c/100000000000000 is more likely :) < 1292133334 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and in any case, i was doing that whether or not you were) < 1292133334 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which came first? Proof of c/4 max speed diagonal, or of c/2 max speed orthogonal < 1292133346 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm missing some piece of this particular GoL conversation though < 1292133346 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know one is easily proved from the other < 1292133374 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, scientists living inside GoL < 1292133392 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1292133465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: basically sgeo is crazy < 1292133471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :words to live by < 1292133487 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no more crazy than you though. just crazy in a different way. < 1292133535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: an inferior way! < 1292133571 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, they'd have to have spaceships travelling ahead of them at all times if they wanted to be able to detect one another to turn before colliding < 1292133601 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they'd have to rebuild each other's spaceships when they passed one another to maintain them at that distance < 1292133628 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if they didn't cooperate, they'd die really easily at that speed < 1292133651 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i doubt they would trust each other any more than we would, and so wouldn't do so < 1292133656 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore i'm gonna rule it out < 1292133680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: the scientists are really just hypothetical here, it could just be scientist :P < 1292133681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye. < 1292133681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1292133756 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i suppose they could stop, build their own spaceship, let it get a little bit ahead, and then start chasing it < 1292133761 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they evolve like that, there would possibly be pressures against breaking that sort of trust. Or it could be an automatic biological thing, like heartbeat in humans < 1292133836 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: evolution would tend to make them smaller, and shave off unnecessary components. aka, they'd devolve into viruses. more than half of the population would be viruses because there could be more of them in the same amount of space < 1292133863 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the "waiting a bit before starting moving" is a more evolutionarily stable strategy < 1292133975 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahaha, i just imagined someone posting on the GoL database "the smallest pattern that never stabilizes" and then coming back later and retagging it "the smallest pattern that evolves into a community of intelligent lifeforms" < 1292133992 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes i realize both are impossible) < 1292134052 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i also realize that even if it were, the former, at least, couldn't be proven) < 1292134069 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck proving the latter too < 1292134098 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is the latter impossible, exactly? < 1292134118 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...because the former is impossible? < 1292134133 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "stable"? < 1292134140 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would not a community of interacting intelligences be unstable by definition? < 1292134168 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see why the former is impossible < 1292134183 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is GoL stability usually define? < 1292134189 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1292134201 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we know GoL is TC, so you definitely can do neverending processes < 1292134241 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Conways_game_of_life_breeder_animation.gif stable? < 1292134265 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait... < 1292134292 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lack of the first doesn't preclude the second < 1292134301 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i withdraw my statement < 1292134316 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i would call a breeder stable < 1292134374 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there comes a point where the possibility of certain reactions (that may have taken place in the past) can never happen again <-- how i would define stabilizing < 1292134485 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, if *our* universe is accelerating in its expansion, there will come a point where we can never observe light incoming from the boundaries of the universe again < 1292134563 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A still-life that has only itself as a parent... < 1292134568 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you run out of those < 1292134594 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was thinking of that as a way for particularly smart and determined inhibitants to determine the age of the universe) < 1292134622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not counting those parents of it whose active cells other than it are at a distance such that they have no influence) < 1292134804 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, with my definition of stabilizing above, it is trivially true that any finite pattern in an infinite universe must eventually stabilize < 1292134839 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*empty universe < 1292134841 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1292134868 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivially? < 1292134882 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivially < 1292134913 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1292134918 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, not exactly trivially < 1292134926 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one technical issue < 1292134963 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i could prove it though < 1292135000 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, define "reaction" < 1292135007 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a bit ambiguous < 1292135014 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is obvious is that you'd need the "active area" to expand forever < 1292135045 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order for a sequence of events never to repeat < 1292135069 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1292135093 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that's blindingly obvious once mentioned but it didn't occur to me < 1292135152 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i define reaction more intuitively than precisely < 1292135175 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as two or more patterns interacting in a way that produces other patterns (or not) < 1292135189 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here patterns would be cohesive distinct pieces < 1292135193 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like spaceships < 1292135223 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where all the parts are necessary for it to behave the way it does < 1292135232 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, what the greeks meant by atom < 1292135290 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a definition of pattern, what about: Works even when separated by all other active cells by 2 empty cells < 1292135307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"works" is weird < 1292135368 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so imagine you had puffers travelling orthogonally in all four directions, releasing nothing but gliders alternately to either of the directions "behind" them < 1292135385 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those gliders are timed to hit each other and annihilate < 1292135407 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some sense, the same thing never happens in the same place twice < 1292135439 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet, the places and times where particular reactions happen form a very simple predictable sequence < 1292135452 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i would call it a stable system < 1292135466 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can describe it by a small number of formulas and nothing surprising will ever happen < 1292135470 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"predictable" isn't well defined < 1292135488 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's ambiguous there? < 1292135492 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of GoL is 100% predictable < 1292135499 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1292135510 0 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7d16.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292135510 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the "simple" part that's interesting here < 1292135550 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 3-body gravitational problem is completely predictable for any 3 specified bodies, but it's far from simple for many of those arrangements < 1292135566 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may show chaotic behavior < 1292135590 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :completely determined...but hard to describe < 1292135656 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in a stabilized universe, an observer could look around and say "these types of reactions are going to keep happening for eternity, and those are never going to happen again" < 1292136265 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1292136417 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the more reason that an infinite random soup is a much better place to grow up < 1292136442 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, even with eventual stabilization, life could thrive for a little while < 1292136465 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even indefinitely, I guess. Just not.. creatively, if the brains don't expand < 1292136936 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1292136970 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not creatively by definition < 1292137002 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because on some scale something fundamentally new must happen < 1292137102 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone were able to say "oh look, we can do this thing that's never been done!" that would contradict the definition of stabilized as the point after which nothing new happens. < 1292137409 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost awesome that GoL universes die --- I am no longer _as_ jealous < 1292137418 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our universe dies, their universe dies < 1292137432 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except, ofc, infinite random soup) < 1292137478 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe for GoLverse a definition of heat should be such that we can talk about heat death == stabilization < 1292137495 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need sleep < 1292137526 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you define as life in the GOL? < 1292137586 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... don't know. I do know that I like the thought of intelligent life in GoL < 1292137696 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292137826 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292137900 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1292137966 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gemini hardly seems like it deserves to qualify < 1292138006 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gemini as in what? Sounds like an interesting conversation. < 1292138059 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoL < 1292138066 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, thought so. < 1292138071 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know logs exist, right? < 1292138085 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I didn't know where. < 1292138095 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1292138107 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, hoped maybe a bot would have a link. < 1292138117 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where are they? < 1292138118 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/topic < 1292138123 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1292138134 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :這是通道有深奧的編程計算機語言。在這裡，我們用英語交談，如中文，請找其他渠道 < 1292138139 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all I see of the topic < 1292138147 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say /topic < 1292138153 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my client, that's "symbol not displayable" < 1292138165 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D ? < 1292138184 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: what is gemini? < 1292138185 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright. Dunno why that's easier than someone just answering me, but meh. < 1292138199 0 :Sgeo|CGIIRC!18bf618a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.191.97.138 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292138210 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TLUL, so you know how to get it for next time < 1292138228 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, /topic doesn't work in CGIIRC < 1292138246 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, replicator < 1292138252 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's a UCC-based spaceship. < 1292138270 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1292138273 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a replicator, as it cannibalises its parent configuration < 1292138288 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=399&p=2327#p2327 < 1292138304 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be made to not do that? < 1292138309 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i wasn't aware of a GoL replicator existing yet... < 1292138329 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be, yes. < 1292138371 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has three-armed constructors at each end. Two arms are for construction, one is for destruction of the parent. < 1292138387 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder when the first true replicator will be constructed... < 1292138420 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tape is a glider stream, duplicated and reflected back at each end, offset enough to enter the child created last time it passed through. < 1292138551 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many diffrent variants of Gemini there are? Last I looked a while ago there were at least 3 (the original, true knightship variant and slope 5 ship with different speed)... < 1292138564 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, if you took out the deconstruction arm, it would be a replicator? < 1292138578 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i agree with the thread then... awesome pattern < 1292138617 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it was the first spaceship with slope not 0 or 1. < 1292138758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night < 1292138775 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1292138776 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1292138783 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tape doesn't get duplicated < 1292138790 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would require some more modification < 1292138835 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if there is pattern that is bounded in width, length goes to infinity and lengthwise minimum coordinate also goes to infinity, which is not a forward-shooting rake? < 1292138838 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292138914 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be pretty wild patterns: Gun shooting caterpillars and rake that shoots caterpillars... :-) < 1292139058 0 :Sgeo|CGIIRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1292139060 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For constructing those, four-slavo glider synthethis of The Caterpillar would be very useful. < 1292139653 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1292139711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaah, today. < 1292139711 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you're describing sounds like one of the fuse-ships (being chased by something that burns the fuse slower) < 1292139715 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had dinner. < 1292139721 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is 00:41 local time. < 1292139737 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mountain time eh < 1292139745 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :albuquerque? :P < 1292139758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, suburb of Colorado Springs. < 1292139768 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1292139775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not very far from the UTC-7 meridian. < 1292139792 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1292140315 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: All that said, I now have parts of Albuquerque stuck in my head. < 1292140358 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: if you can wake up some neighbors by singing it at the top of your lungs, please do so < 1292140470 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I'm afraid I cannot without going outside. < 1292140476 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is FUCKING COLD OUTSIDE HOLY FUCK. < 1292140490 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :swut you get for being in CO < 1292140503 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE I HAD MY TRAY TABLE UP < 1292140558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to weather.gov, the current temperature at the nearest reporting station (the Air Force Academy, a few miles away) is 15°F (-9°C). < 1292140572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... Very, very bizarrely humid. < 1292140579 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... 68% humidity? What the hell? < 1292140591 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual humidity here is more like 0. < 1292140605 0 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329a97.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292140799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1292140800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1292141519 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, /topic doesn't work in CGIIRC < 1292141520 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1292141540 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not using CGI:IRC < 1292143013 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1292143294 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292143366 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@j-247.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1292143631 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292144380 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if the temperature is low, even slight amount of water gives high RH. < 1292144506 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same amount of water that gives 70% RH at -10degC would give only about 6.3% RH at 25degC. < 1292144945 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-65.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292145424 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number < 1292145529 0 :Ilari_!~user@2002:5870:32ae::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292145537 0 :Ilari_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Ilari_antrcomp < 1292146522 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292146649 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1292149903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As one of those freaky Northerners, I'm conractually obliged to note that -9°C is pretty far from "fucking cold outside holy fuck". < 1292150008 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that amount of expletives, it should be at least -30°C, and even that is pushing it; it's not such a unheard-of temperature. < 1292150720 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292151541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, indeed, -9°C is more like "uncomfortably cold, but sadly quite common" < 1292152390 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-65.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292154563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw I found a lone block of obsidian out in the middle of nowhere yesterday < 1292154578 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there is a torch trail to it from the crafting bench near the water pillars < 1292154611 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no water or lava near it < 1292154711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I had anything to do with that. < 1292156130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, down? < 1292156135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1292156379 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, know anything about the floating *wood* block above a very flat mountain top opposite of nailor's old house? < 1292156386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is next to your house < 1292156830 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292158752 0 :kar8nga!~kar8nga@i-73.vc-graz.ac.at JOIN :#esoteric < 1292158848 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyttle Lytton idea: "There are no words in the English language to describe what I have seen, which is why the remainder of this book is in Finnish." < 1292159024 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO anything below -20°C is enough for "fucking cold holy fuck" < 1292160555 0 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329a97.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292160719 0 :nooga_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1292163063 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, indeed < 1292163081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, wait, I thought you said 25 < 1292163091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 is "fucking horrible cold" < 1292163188 0 :nopseudoidea!~nopseudoi@85-168-235-235.rev.numericable.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1292163917 0 :kar8nga!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1292164568 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1292164860 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-3-133.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1292167393 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1292167564 0 :nopseudoidea!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quitte < 1292167754 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie, btw I found a lone block of obsidian out in the middle of nowhere yesterday < 1292167764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly a relic of the previous ice age < 1292168715 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-2925108588.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1292169195 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1292169262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:03:56 Sgeo: evolution would tend to make them smaller, and shave off unnecessary components. aka, they'd devolve into viruses. more than half of the population would be viruses because there could be more of them in the same amount of space < 1292169270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: that's only true iff it's true in this world too < 1292169333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, FWIW, I have previously pointed out that existing examples of CA evolution march inexorably towards miniaturisation. < 1292169362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sure, that's what'll happen if you aren't a bastard and don't make them scavenge. < 1292169370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and don't tile the plane with evil things they have to avoid. < 1292169397 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, remember the tribulations in trying to invent an interesting conservative CA? < 1292169419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yep. but you can do it inside life, really < 1292169435 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm. How? < 1292169436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you just have to get an initial lifeform that has some kind of decaying thing that needs feeding :P < 1292169440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also tile the plane with obstacles < 1292169448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that even small, dumb things will bump into something eventually < 1292169453 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally: "There are no words in the English language to describe what I have seen, which is why the remainder of this book is in Finnish." Comment in the context of a Lyttle Lytton entry. < 1292169468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Perfect. < 1292169473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Although not really. < 1292169493 0 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-1176439313.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1292169493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could work comedically? < 1292169494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That's merely funny, and as Adam loves to point out, it would be a perfectly good start to a comedic book. < 1292169504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1292169506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But it's not actually badly written, just very silly. :p < 1292169513 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en fi There are no words in the English language to describe what I have seen, which is why the remainder of this book is in Finnish. < 1292169531 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ei ole sanoja Englanti kielellä kertoa, mitä olen nähnyt, minkä vuoksi jäljellä tämä kirja suomeksi. < 1292169548 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "badly-written" isn't necessary; just that you would think "oh, GOD" if someone made you read a book that opened with it. < 1292169567 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1292169795 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As there are no words in the English language to describe what I have seen, I shall lay out the ones I have created for the purpose in brief."? It's pushing the word limit, and it's a bit clunky. < 1292169853 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it has that groanworthy quality of a pretentious SF or fantasy novel. < 1292169873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits Phantom_Hoover with a lump of scrith
< 1292169928 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OW! < 1292169945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My NEUTRINOS!] < 1292169948 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/]// < 1292170001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "There are no words in the English language to describe what I have seen. Therefore, allow me to tell you about my constructed language." < 1292170017 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 2 sentences. < 1292170028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 2 sentences appear several times in old competitions. < 1292170038 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits elliott with a loaf of lembas
< 1292170057 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm. < 1292170090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Okay, I can't actually find two-sentence ones. < 1292170108 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, [[You need not limit an entry to one sentence, and you can even enter more than once. ]] < 1292170120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "As there are no words in the English language to describe what I have seen, the rest of this book is in Klingon." < 1292170139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You saw very violent things.) < 1292170144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually /funny/, though; Klingon makes things funny. < 1292170189 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION poors some 'Iw HIq over elliott's head
< 1292170226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pours < 1292170235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, well. < 1292170253 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MY SPELING < 1292170263 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW: APNIC cumulative delegations this year: http://imagebin.ca/view/R7vXhV.html < 1292170271 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lembas overdose < 1292170280 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the constructed lang/words ones are probably the most convincingly awful. < 1292170303 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what competition is this? < 1292170317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Lyttle Lytton, the world's premier bad book-opening authoring contest. < 1292170322 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1292170335 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does it have to be on that form? < 1292170353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (Unlike the rabble of talentless hacks calling themselves the Bulwer-Lytton contest, who only manage to spew out some billions of words and call that a bad opening, Lyttle Lytton entries must be short. And terrible>0 < 1292170355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*terrible.) < 1292170359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I'm just trying to aid Phantom_Hoover. < 1292170430 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the tricky bit is making it amusingly awful but not making it satirical. < 1292170436 0 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292170461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: There are no words for what I have just seen. So I made some up, and here they are: < 1292170461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quassel is a bit ugly, and you MUST resize stuff < 1292170466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't seem terrible < 1292170482 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that. That is good. < 1292170491 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, sudo apt-get uninstall ubuntu-desktop did not have the effect I was expectinng < 1292170510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor did sudo apt-get autoremove afterwards < 1292170705 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they delegated 6.76x/8 just this year... And the total amount of space remaining to them is about 5.73(3.19[present]+2.00[newblocks]+1.54[various]-1.00[setaside])x/8s. < 1292170760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Ah, poetic Paris: with its pâtés and beaujolais, tiramisu and au jus." < 1292170764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love these winners. < 1292170797 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Emperor Wu liked cake, but not exploding cake!" < 1292170802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cracks me up every time. < 1292170934 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ei ole sanoja Englanti kielellä kertoa, mitä olen nähnyt, minkä vuoksi jäljellä tämä kirja suomeksi" -> "There are no words language English to tell, which is why there is left this book in Finnish", if I try to approximate the ungrammaticalness in it. < 1292170978 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, I skipped the whole has-seen part. < 1292170983 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one is reasonably correct, though. < 1292170992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Scaling Everest was, by far, the most amazing and transformative experience of my life. Unfortunately, this is a thesis on context-free grammars. < 1292170996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I swear augur wrote that one. < 1292171011 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i write? :o < 1292171016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: "Scaling Everest was, by far, the most amazing and transformative experience of my life. Unfortunately, this is a thesis on context-free grammars." < 1292171028 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1292171032 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had written that. :D < 1292171040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur would never write a thesis on something that simple < 1292171048 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: depends on what the question is < 1292171071 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pika ... chu, thought Pikachu. " < 1292171077 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is unknown yet < 1292171080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fukutsuru died in 2005 but his frozen sperm lived on for people’s benefit. < 1292171083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really beat that < 1292171088 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that one clearly was by pikhq < 1292171099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pik... hq, thought pikhq. < 1292171100 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My... my god < 1292171106 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind is blown. < 1292171109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That Fukutsuru line was from WIKIPEDIA. < 1292171117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's *still there*. < 1292171117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know! < 1292171128 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read through all of these twice! < 1292171181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: SO HAVE I < 1292171286 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'"Caramba!" exclaimed Diego de Fonseca, "a cucaracha has fallen onto the tortillas of my wife!"' < 1292171306 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modulo italics. < 1292171442 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so "There are no words for what I have just seen, so I made some up, and here they are:" < 1292171448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final version? < 1292171466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hmm... Not sure. < 1292171474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Gimme an hour or two to see if anything better pops into my head :P < 1292172096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292172096 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292172096 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292172096 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292172097 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292172097 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292172097 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292172097 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292172098 0 :jcp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292172098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292172098 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292172098 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1292172098 0 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PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err, Yudkowsky wrote fanfic!? < 1292172385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Does-write; it doesn't show any signs of stopping and I'm quite some chapters behind. It is hilarious. < 1292172394 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it bad or good? < 1292172396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5782108/1/Harry_Potter_and_the_Methods_of_Rationality < 1292172403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It is very, very good. And hilarious. < 1292172415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, okay, it's not all yuks, but it is partly yuks.) < 1292172428 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does it take things seriously, or does it make fun of the thing? 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:Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, incidentally, when does the 2011 competition close? < 1292172845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Um, 2011, one would assume. < 1292172861 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I will accept entries up to but not after 2011 April 15 at noon, Pacific Time." < 1292172970 0 :nopseudoidea!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quitte < 1292173068 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1292173255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh jesus christ, now reddit are masturbating over the fact that http://surfraw.alioth.debian.org/ was written by Julian Assange. < 1292173281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU GUYS, WE LIKE JULIAN ASSANGE, AND GET THIS: BEFORE HE BECAME THE SELF-APPOINTED "PERSON WHO DOES VERY LITTLE EXCEPT BE A LIGHTNING ROD FOR WIKILEAKS", HE *WROTE SOME PROGRAMS OH MY FUCKING GOD* < 1292173412 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was this pre- or post-ridiculous hair? < 1292173477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :His ridiculous hair is CONSTANT. < 1292173698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone going on Minecraft? < 1292173772 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not on. < 1292173788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but going-on. < 1292173872 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know. < 1292174068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, fizzie's bunker has pretty. < 1292174224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After a lot of writing in Q10 on Windows, I got used to the typewriter sound it makes every time you press a key. At least for me it feels great to have this sort of sound feedback. < 1292174225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Linux on the other hand, I love writing it VIM, because of it's editing features. How could I add this functionality to VIM? < 1292174225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simply said, I want to play a sound every time I press a key in the insert mode." < 1292174228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't make this shit up. < 1292174278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who said that < 1292174286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4418364/how-can-i-make-vim-play-typewriter-sound-when-i-write-a-letter/4418605#4418605 < 1292174288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1292174290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4418364/how-can-i-make-vim-play-typewriter-sound-when-i-write-a-letter/ < 1292174314 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, presumably you could patch it to do that.. I mean, it shouldn't be too hard at all really < 1292174325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was solved in Vimscript, but that's not the point. < 1292174327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is WHY GOD WHY. < 1292174333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1292174334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Is why I love vim, because "crazy" and dare all other "freaks" are always ready to give them the answer, and "Vim" in turn serves as a backdrop to all this by having these endless possibilities. – user107745 6 hours ago]] <----- what < 1292174338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why god why indeed < 1292174354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Perhaps what you really want is an IBM Model M keyboard." "After buying $200 keyboard? Nothx :) – Darth 21 hours ago" < 1292174363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I bet it was a Logitech expensive-mush keyboard. < 1292174366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Money well wasted! < 1292174421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Redis without a Linux kernel - How to run Redis natively on Xen" < 1292174425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Xen the new OS? :) < 1292174494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, xen actually runs below the dom0 in some senses < 1292174517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Indeed. < 1292174525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've just heard "Foo on Xen" quite a bit lately. < 1292174536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Am I right in thinking that Xen's dom0 architecture is totally insane? < 1292174548 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know the details < 1292174562 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but it seems probable < 1292175318 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292175338 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292175680 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292176412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1292176492 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1292176823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is completely insane. < 1292176858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: CubeHash isn't an SHA-3 finalist :( < 1292176923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Meanwhile: Fragments from "WikiLeaks! The Musical.": http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2010/12/2greenman.html < 1292176940 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on what grounds? < 1292176952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They don't state their reasons individualy. < 1292176964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, but presumably technical reasons? < 1292176977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well ... < 1292176983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The selection was challenging, because we had a strong field of fourteen hash algorithms remaining in the SHA-3 competition that were very strong contenders for the hash function standard. Security was our greatest concern, and we took this very seriously, but none of these candidates was clearly broken. However, it is meaningless to discuss the security of a hash function without relating security to performance, so in reality, NIST wan < 1292176983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ted highly secure algorithms that also performed well. We preferred to be conservative about security, and in some cases did not select algorithms with exceptional performance, largely because something about them made us “nervous,” even though we knew of no clear attack against the full algorithm. < 1292176999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tl;dr CubeHash isn't in because it isn't. < 1292177022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was cubehash fast? < 1292177030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was parameterisable. But yes, it was fast. < 1292177061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SHA-3 contender was CubeHash 16/32, which is as fast as SHA-256 and SHA-512, sez djb. < 1292177085 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mhm. < 1292177091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1292177100 0 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329cc9.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292177470 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292177642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Something about them made us 'nervous'"? < 1292177650 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Damned stupid selection criterion. < 1292177661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They're just afraid of djb's BLACK STARE. < 1292177763 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-140-166.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1292178107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1292178532 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088180066.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1292178533 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! < 1292178614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1292178863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On an i386 system with x86-64 kernel" What. < 1292179282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MAME is non-DFSG. Lame. < 1292179287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You should rewrite it. < 1292179536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sup? < 1292179605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: supness. < 1292179728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping < 1292179738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any furtherances on the Lyttle Lytton front? < 1292179806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not really. < 1292179810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: [[Also in 2007, the Open Group reached a binding legal agreement to prevent the German University of Kassel from using "UNIK" as its short form name.]] < 1292179842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are no words for what I have just seen, so here are the ones I made up:" < 1292179862 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough? < 1292179869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No... < 1292179873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That one's not good. < 1292179911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1292179951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dunno. < 1292179983 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are no words for what I have just seen, so I made some up."? < 1292180007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[In 2004 a bootleg version of MAME was created, called '39-in-1' which ran on an Intel XScale processor. As of version 0.133u1, MAME also emulates this 'game', thus in essence, emulates itself.]] < 1292180040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "There are no words for what I have just seen, so I made some up, and here they are:" is the last one you and I said. < 1292180044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still mulling it over though. < 1292180079 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Ordinarily, I'd go for compactness, but bumbling prose is good here. < 1292180164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Let's make an end-of-book sentence! Dunno if that competition's being run this year, but let's do it anyway. < 1292180175 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1292180201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: First thought: "And that was when I finally conceded that, yes, orang-utans probably *do* exist. Probably." < 1292180208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: First thought: "And that was when I finally conceded that, yes, orang-utans *do* exist. Probably." < 1292180210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** No rule to make target `1.2.mkv', needed by `all'. Stop. < 1292180215 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Follow-up to that opening sentence, laced with poorly-made up words? < 1292180218 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a rule for %.mkv. < 1292180229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that matches 1.2.mkv. < 1292180233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell, Make? < 1292180240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Show your Makefile; I've fixed problems like that before. < 1292180256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/DJSX < 1292180279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And that's when her furli'net finally absorbed my guarætïr, in a most hunji manner. At last, I was a virgin no more. < 1292180294 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1292180310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So, uh, do 1.2.mp4 1.2.ac3 1.2.... all exist? < 1292180314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because if not, it won't count as an implicit rule. < 1292180333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would actually work with the opening, and reinforce the implication that this book was eyelash-wrenchingly awful. < 1292180335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Wait, %.title shouldn't be there. < 1292180340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: (Imagine having a rule "%.o: %.s" and doing "make foo.o" when you have foo.c; you don't want it to try and make foo.s, you want it to say "Sorry, you don't have a rule to do that!") < 1292180368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also... < 1292180378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ${<:%.mp4=%.ac3} is the same as $*.ac3 < 1292180383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stems, man. < 1292180386 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, dur. < 1292180404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, make it a mkfile! Everyone loves mkfiles! < 1292180450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: "2>&/dev/null" What. < 1292180455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That & is... no. < 1292180482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%.ac3: %.title < 1292180482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tccat -i ${DVDPATH} -T ${TITLE},-1 | tcextract -x ac3 -t vob -a 0 > %@ < 1292180486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: excuz me wat is %@ < 1292180492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A typo. < 1292180504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%.sid1.idx: %.title < 1292180504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tccat -i ${DVDPATH} -T ${TITLE},-1 | tcextract -x ps1 -t vob -a 33 | subtitle2vobsub -o ${<:%.idx=%} -i ${DVDPATH}/VIDEO_TS/VTS_`printf '%.2i\n' ${TITLE}`_0.IFO < 1292180504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%.sid1.sub: %.sid1.idx < 1292180513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Does the %.sid1.idx rule create %.sid1.sub too? < 1292180517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1292180521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YOU FAIL AT MAKE < 1292180526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :%.sid1.idx %.sid1.sub: %.title < 1292180527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tccat -i ${DVDPATH} -T ${TITLE},-1 | tcextract -x ps1 -t vob -a 33 | subtitle2vobsub -o ${<:%.idx=%} -i ${DVDPATH}/VIDEO_TS/VTS_`printf '%.2i\n' ${TITLE}`_0.IFO < 1292180530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fixed that for you. < 1292180536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And remove the dependency-only rule.) < 1292180563 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That does *not* actually work the way you think it does. < 1292180571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It doesn't? I've done it before and I swear it does. < 1292180581 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Make will call that rule to make %.sid1.idx, and then to make %.sid1.sub. < 1292180594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well that's stupid. < 1292180598 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes it is. < 1292180609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: As well as using $*, I'd also unify the sid0 and sid1 rules, and just use "foo: VOB_A_PARAM=32 or 33". (With a better name.) < 1292180622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm not sure why you're saying ${FOO}; $(FOO) is more conventional. < 1292180642 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1292180651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, uh. < 1292180703 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1292180863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Rewrite it in mk/rc! < 1292180996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, to figure out why it's still not making 1.2.mkv. < 1292181025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Rewrite it in mk/rc! < 1292181034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Or just use make -v. < 1292181076 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-v is version info. < 1292181084 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make -d is more helpful. < 1292181093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah well your mother. < 1292181095 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or does WikiLeaks not actually have any leaked stuff on its site? < 1292181096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: MK/RC < 1292181108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://213.251.145.96/ < 1292181113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: See the links with dates below them. < 1292181127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://213.251.145.96/cablegate.html, http://213.251.145.96/file/wikileaks_archive.7z, http://213.251.145.96/iraq/diarydig/, http://213.251.145.96/iraq/diarydig/, http://www.collateralmurder.com/ < 1292181158 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1292181165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a very good link colour, admittedly. < 1292181289 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would appear to be *fucking retarded*. < 1292181311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm, I have an implicit rule without prereqs that gets me a prereq for my target. Well, fuck that." < 1292181320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mk! < 1292181321 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mk and rc! < 1292181326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: plan 9 port! < 1292181359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I get the strong feeling that Make hates rules without prereqs. < 1292181422 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231049071.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292181426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mk! < 1292181440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've used it before! It's great! < 1292181443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it. Everything gets a prereq on $(DVDPATH). < 1292181454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mk! < 1292181455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've used it before! It's great! < 1292181455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it even makes sense!) < 1292181463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHY DO YOU IGNORE ME < 1292181604 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does mk handle implicit rules without prereqs? < 1292181611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Pretty sure, yes. < 1292181617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It Just Works. < 1292181626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAAAH WHY WON'T MAKE PROCESS THIS NOW. < 1292181638 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT SEEMS TO FAIL AT PREREQS. < 1292181640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also you say $stem instead of $* and you can say $foo instead of $(foo) and also the whole body of rules is executed as one thing, so "cd" works. < 1292181644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES, /dev/null EXISTS. < 1292181647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: And also you can quiet an entire rule by using attributes. < 1292181663 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT REALLY, REALLY, REALLY FUCKING EXISTS. < 1292181719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also mk has awesome shit: < 1292181720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: P The characters after the P until the terminating : are taken as a program name. It will be invoked as rc –c prog 'arg1' 'arg2' and should return a null exit status if and only if arg1 is up to date with respect to arg2. Date stamps are still propagated in the normal way. < 1292181728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: R The rule is a meta–rule using regular expressions. In the rule, % has no special meaning. The target is interpreted as a regular expression as defined in regexp(6). The prerequisites may contain references to subexpressions in form \n, as in the substitute command of sam(1). < 1292181735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :U The targets are considered to have been updated even if the recipe did not do so. < 1292181751 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH FUCK THIS. < 1292181763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: plan 9 port! mk! < 1292181767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/BjPa < 1292181780 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what I've got right now, with 1.{1..7}.fuck touched. < 1292181781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/man1/mk.html Unix man page for mk. < 1292181796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: All you have to do is "MKSHELL=$PLAN9/bin/rc" and it is wonderful! < 1292181799 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT HATES ME SO. < 1292181805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Andrew Hume wrote mk for Tenth Edition Research Unix. It was later ported to Plan 9. This software is a port of the Plan 9 version back to Unix." < 1292181818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: WHY ARE YOU SO TIED TO YOUR EVIL BUILD TOOL < 1292181847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Honestly, I just want to know *why* this doesn't work. And then I will probably switch it over to mk. < 1292181858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I've debugged similar problems before, but I forgot how to fix them. < 1292181876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAKE, YOU SIMPLETON, 1.2.fuck EXISTS. < 1292181883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that. < 1292181888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something else it doesn't like. < 1292181927 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's somehow not finding an implict rule for 1.2.mkv. < 1292181927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right now, I've half-convinced myself that the best build system is a "memoise" command that runs the command given in its arguments if and only if its dependencies have changed, where the dependencies are determined by tracing the program the first time. (This actually exists, it's called memoize.py. But I think it needs tweaking to be truly perfect.) < 1292181958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Then just a bunch of canned commands like "CC() { echo CC "$@"; $CC $CFLAGS $LDFLAGS "$@" }" < 1292181976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it disliked my %.sid0.sub rule. < 1292182079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "There are no words for what I have just seen, so here are the ones I made up:" <-- there *were* no words in that case < 1292182117 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1292182213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's intentional. < 1292182296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://web.archive.org/web/20070612145920/http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~billm/memoize.html < 1292182337 0 :nopseudoidea!~nopseudoi@85-168-235-235.rev.numericable.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1292182491 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys! using the powershell?..question: is there a way to br0wse thr0ugh the namespaces of the attached .net assemblies? i'd like to see which classes, enums exist in specific namespace.. i use get-member or get-childitem on objects, but it doesn't seem to work with namespaces^^ help please.. < 1292182500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: (1) nobody here uses windows < 1292182508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: (2) "br0wse thr0ugh"? what are you, 14? < 1292182534 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx elliott^^ < 1292182539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ? < 1292182547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glad to help! < 1292182550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "... ?"? < 1292182616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at the very thing you just responded to < 1292182624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: powershell is this thing for windows. < 1292182632 0 :nopseudoidea!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1292182634 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, utter astonishment at his answer to your reply to him < 1292182644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he was being slightly sarcastic. < 1292182645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever so. < 1292182654 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /sb end < 1292182658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, s/ever/even/? < 1292182660 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a very useful command. < 1292182661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1292182665 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1292182679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: powershell is actually kinda cool; it's like sh but object-oriented (admittedly it's .NET), so rich objects pass between the | pipes and get formatted automatically or customly depending on where you feed them. but, uh, it's still .NET. < 1292182739 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah, it's .NET, also it is bloated. Every time you like it, a bunny named glenda becomes sad. Or something. < 1292182752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: insert middle finger < 1292182764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that sounds rude to the bunny < 1292182774 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general model is actually pretty cool < 1292182779 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, yeah, .net < 1292182799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is stat64 just what's called instead of stat on x86-64 kernels? < 1292182823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, isn't stat64 for large file support on 32-bit? < 1292182851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe < 1292182859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just - < 1292182860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : os.system('strace -f -o %s -e trace=open,stat64,exit_group %s' % (outfile, cmd)) < 1292182864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder why stat's not there < 1292182881 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which is kind of on all the time on 64-bit. So presumably it only needs one system call. No idea what it might be named though < 1292182891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where is that from? < 1292182922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: memoize.py < 1292182927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1292182942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, very strange then < 1292182992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, tracing for stat seems to pick up lstat too < 1292182992 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in fact, shouldn't it trace all the stat variants < 1292182993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with strace < 1292182998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how odd < 1292183004 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, heh < 1292183032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that? < 1292183040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know. < 1292183118 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does it track deps properly too? < 1292183137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what, memoize? < 1292183137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1292183141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1292183142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it uses strace < 1292183146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to find out what files the program uses :) < 1292183150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :program=compiler < 1292183187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can it do conditional compilation. Sometimes having something like --enable-large-optional-feature-that-depends-on-uncommon-stuff is useful. (with a shorter name preferably!) < 1292183203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: < 1292183205 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't need to be fancy, just that really < 1292183209 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott droog .. im 29! i mentioned and am really sorry about my poor english.. it's a pity, because i really like this chan and conversations here are kind of inspiring.. but with my couple of words i really feel a little like a stupid child in here.. i try to do sth about it.. sry < 1292183210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if [ "$poop" = 1 ]; then < 1292183213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : memoize.py foo bar baz < 1292183213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi < 1292183221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: it's ok, i'm just an asshole < 1292183225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore me < 1292183232 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm interesting (that code) < 1292183237 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g < 1292183269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: of course you'd probably prefer to use a nicer shell... say rc < 1292183273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if($poop) memoize.py foo bar baz < 1292183276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where $poop is true or false) < 1292183291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: of course you'd want scaffolding around all this to make it more automatic < 1292183291 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also if I'm a developer I would probably prefer to write some code to make it remember between build runs < 1292183296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and memoize itself isn't maintained < 1292183297 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe just a wrapper script < 1292183298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but,s till < 1292183300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but, still < 1292183316 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if memoize still works, I don't really see any issue < 1292183320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um it does remember < 1292183322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it saves it to a file < 1292183340 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you don't invoke the same script the next time you build? but another one? < 1292183344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1292183350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what? < 1292183362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, memoize.py just looks to see if the dependencies file is there and goes, "oh look, it is" and uses it. < 1292183374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also use it from python < 1292183396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, lets say I have conditional compilation for optional feature. Do I run ./build.py every time? < 1292183419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can I make it just do ./build.py after that basically < 1292183423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Um, ./configure --additional-pylons --butt-tastic would presumably create config.sh. < 1292183432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then ./build would do ". config.sh" or the like. < 1292183446 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292183447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Substitute equivalent things for Python, and also s/sh/yaml/ or s/sh/xml/ or whatever the hell you want to store configuration in.) < 1292183462 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, any parallel support? < 1292183474 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :equiv of -j2 or such I mean < 1292183499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Um, it's just a function call. In non-Python usage, it's just a process called once for each command. Anyway the script is tiny, read it yourself ffs: http://web.archive.org/web/20070622221648/www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~billm/memoize.py < 1292183506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is no, but I'm not telling anyone to use memoize.py. < 1292183511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying it's a better design than mk. < 1292183522 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so -j is basically the only thing missing to make it perfect < 1292183530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, more is missing. < 1292183535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, such as? < 1292183537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you'd have to write ./configure manually and the like. < 1292183541 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1292183557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A way to use it more efficiently without having to write your script in Python? Some "memoize" function that talks to a pipe it has, rather than making a bunch of processes. < 1292183563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, idea: autoconf - automake + memoize = what? < 1292183577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Um, = autoconf is still terrible. < 1292183582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm true < 1292183595 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also probably a pain to get that working < 1292183600 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with memoize I mean) < 1292183613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ptraces his utensils.
< 1292183615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hee, so few syscalls. < 1292183629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ strace bin/uname >/dev/null < 1292183629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :execve("bin/uname", ["bin/uname"], [/* 35 vars */]) = 0 < 1292183629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch_prctl(ARCH_SET_FS, 0x7fffc7abfc50) = 0 < 1292183629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uname({sys="Linux", node="dinky", ...}) = 0 < 1292183629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write(1, "Linux", 5) = 5 < 1292183630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :write(1, "\n", 1) = 1 < 1292183632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_exit(0) = ? < 1292183646 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still, -j is actually very nice when building something large. Not sure how you can make that work for first build easily < 1292183652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: autoconf is perfectly capable of memoizing too; it doesn't by default because people kept transferring the cache files between computers < 1292183655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, -j is nice. < 1292183677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: context fail < 1292183693 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, memoize could easily -j for builds where it already know the deps, but for initial build I don't see how it could possibly do that < 1292183694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd expect ignoring the context and replying while ignoring pertinent details like ".py" from Vorpal, not you ... < 1292183696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The first build it ... might ... work. The problem is of course that the dependency information is implicit in the ordering until it's calculated. < 1292183697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah < 1292183704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but, OTOH... < 1292183713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if your linking phase fails because some object files aren't there, the script could take that into account < 1292183715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and try again < 1292183721 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which kind of defeats the point of -j for anyone but a developer < 1292183734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well sure, but what is linking in general < 1292183746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, it's irrelevant... cc tries to open all these object files < 1292183747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some don't exist < 1292183749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fails < 1292183755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the script goes "ah! I'll try again when those files come into existence" < 1292183793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about building a tool used to build other files? Example: ick builds oil which is used to generate another c file which will be compiled later < 1292183821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: oh, shut up :P < 1292183834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you know what the perfect build system is? < 1292183842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc --make src/Main.hs -o foo < 1292183859 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes indeed. You can make very good language-specific build systems < 1292183872 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erlang has a good one too for example. But well, they are language specific. < 1292183884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: good! who wants to use another crappy language anyway < 1292183940 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm. < 1292183951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it does become a problem for a mixed language project < 1292183962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *a crappy project! < 1292183973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like... ghc itself? < 1292183976 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, is just being jingoistically Swedish. < 1292183981 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P < 1292184055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm 99% certain that parts of ghc runtime stuff, such as GC, isn't written in haskell.) < 1292184337 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1292184435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know scapegoat? < 1292184642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the tree structure? < 1292184649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what? < 1292184656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, scapegoat tree < 1292184660 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a data structure < 1292184666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't mean that. < 1292184670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1292184681 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I asked because it was unclear to me what you meant < 1292184755 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292184779 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292184832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(message (buffer-string)) <-- anyone who can make that elisp not a horrible hack gets points < 1292184837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(must go to stdout when using emacs --batch) < 1292184843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't care what it does when X is there) < 1292184854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or, anything but --batch really) < 1292184896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay so that does to stderr < 1292184897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever < 1292184902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried (write-file "/dev/stdout") < 1292184918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, there is princ < 1292185026 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the proper to display a constantly changing file in a terminal in such a way that the display automatically updates when the file changes? < 1292185055 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1292185076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um, tail -f if all that happens is appending < 1292185099 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: entire file contents get replace < 1292185108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: does it need to be immediate? < 1292185115 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1292185125 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm watch -n 0.001 ? < 1292185127 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1292185136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: sucks to be you, write your own < 1292185149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wow, i had no idea watch did that. < 1292185154 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i've always just used clear in a loop with sleep :) < 1292185171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: watch seems to change 0.001 to 0.1 :P < 1292185241 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1292185248 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, watch is also linux specific iirc < 1292185257 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at least watch means something very very different on *BSD < 1292185273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(something to do with tty snooping iirc) < 1292185283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah bsd watch is more fun! < 1292185296 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not really feasible to do it without polling, and as such, the best method is to continuously check the last write of the file, and refresh the display when it changes? < 1292185331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you can do it without polling. < 1292185333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAM, say. < 1292185336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would involve coding. < 1292185347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what you said is pointless, though < 1292185349 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, gamin or inotify yeah < 1292185349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat is basically instant < 1292185352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need to check for last write < 1292185369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, depends on size of file < 1292185370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: "watch -n 0.1 cat foo" should do fine. < 1292185376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: whatever :) < 1292185409 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "watch -n 0.1 clear;cat foo"? < 1292185417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: no. < 1292185419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, watch does clear < 1292185421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: when i say something, i mean it. < 1292185421 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1292185424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is not a shell syntax < 1292185433 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try it < 1292185442 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "did this base64 encoded DVD DL iso just change" <-- cat is no longer instant. But then that is 1) useless to watch for 2) doubtful it would fit on screen anyway < 1292185458 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed you meant it, but didn't know if you meant it to clear :D < 1292185473 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 3) why the heck did you base64 encode the iso ANYWAY? < 1292185488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stallman's "The Right to Read", gzipped: http://nullprogram.com/projects/pngarch/right-to-read-gz.png and the program to extract it: http://nullprogram.com/projects/pngarch/files/pngarch-0.2.png < 1292185494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to rewrite that in haskell because of NIH! < 1292185526 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, uh, how do you run the outer one? < 1292185533 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, huh? < 1292185548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "the outer one"? < 1292185566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you actually execute the program to extract it? < 1292185577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: by using PNG Archiver to extract the PNG Archiver source, duh! < 1292185588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (try using your favourite OS's lazy evaluation features) < 1292185593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and where can I get png archiver to bootstrap this < 1292185598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you see what I mean < 1292185609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://nullprogram.com/projects/pngarch/files/pngarch-0.2.png < 1292185619 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't "watch -n 0.1 tail foo" print the last 10 lines of foo every 0.1? < 1292185621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are not helpful. < 1292185627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: >:) < 1292185633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes. < 1292185641 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't :/ < 1292185645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes it does < 1292185647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, I believe it should, assuming your terminal is larger than 11 lines (since watch adds a line at the top) < 1292185651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just isn't changing, so it looks the same < 1292185662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, watch itself clears < 1292185668 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, so it looks static < 1292185676 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "foo" in this case is this channel log, and that's irrelevant since nothing at all was displayed < 1292185684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1292185685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: um, you are on linux yes < 1292185688 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1292185701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: does "tail file" work < 1292185714 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1292185719 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, does it work if you remove watch -n 0.1? I believe stderr will not be visible < 1292185732 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1292185738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The -d or --differences flag will highlight the differences between < 1292185738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : successive updates. Using --differences=cumulative makes highlighting < 1292185738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : "sticky", presenting a running display of all positions that have ever < 1292185738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : changed. The -t or --no-title option turns off the header showing the < 1292185738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : interval, command, and current time at the top of the display, as well < 1292185739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : as the following blank line. The -b or --beep option causes the com‐ < 1292185741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mand to beep if it has a non-zero exit. < 1292185741 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs to be piped to stdout? < 1292185743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may like that < 1292185762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Note that command is given to "sh -c" which means that you may need to < 1292185762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : use extra quoting to get the desired effect. You can disable this with < 1292185762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the -x or --exec option, which passes the command to exec(2) instead. < 1292185764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ^ < 1292185766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may cause problems < 1292185775 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1292185778 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my watch don't accept fractional time < 1292185792 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it does, but only in current locale < 1292185793 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fixed it thx < 1292185793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1292185795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: mine's made out of quartz < 1292185810 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1292185823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: am i a weird person if I like mail(1)? < 1292185838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, depends. If you like it for mailing from shell script: no < 1292185842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no :P < 1292185850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you like it for interactive usage? maaaybe < 1292185856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: actually I'm considering trying out nmh < 1292185858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maintained version of MH < 1292185878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although really, it isn't unixy *enough*; why should i have to run a command to view an email when I have cat? :) < 1292185928 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really amusing to "watch" this channel :P < 1292185938 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because they all go in the same file. Also you need locking to avoid collision with the MTA if you try to delete a mail < 1292185951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't all go in one file with Maildir! < 1292185955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, there tail -f works fine < 1292185959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but your IRC client does that < 1292185961 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, correct < 1292185970 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still needs locking for some operations iirc? < 1292185970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway the backing storage is irrelevant, if the mail client maintains its own < 1292185971 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah yeah yeah < 1292185974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which MH does as far as i know < 1292185988 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still it needs to *fetch* mail from somewhere < 1292185993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, vrms sets up a monthly cron job to tell root about non-free software installed < 1292185993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol! < 1292186002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sure, and? < 1292186015 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does tail -f auto-truncate lines further up than 10? i thought it just kept appending to output... < 1292186024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, such as maildir or mail files or pop or smtp. And there you need some sort of locking for most of the file based ones. < 1292186035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So? that has nothing to do with the interface. < 1292186036 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and protocol code for the network based ones < 1292186043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1292186047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's no reason the mail agent can't maintain a directory $mail < 1292186052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "cat $mail/inbox/some-identifier" :P < 1292186064 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed, but will you manually pull the mail? < 1292186077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, you'd use a cron job or any other method < 1292186081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :push mail, if you can get it < 1292186097 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then you need locking to avoid collision as far as I know < 1292186106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: AND? < 1292186109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what relevance does this have at *all* < 1292186150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so how does using cat, rm and so on ensure proper locking? < 1292186162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ok, quote the line where i said rm < 1292186162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on < 1292186167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll wait here < 1292186176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I assumed that, since it is more unixy < 1292186187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or do you accept mail-rm or such? < 1292186206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1292186227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so how will you remove mails you want to delete from that directory < 1292186294 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, .. < 1292186301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we both have no idea what this conversation is about any more < 1292186302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly don't < 1292186312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping#27 < 1292186840 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1292186846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is fungot? < 1292186870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, question about kitten. < 1292186890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1292186934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how will you handle stopping some processes when switching from AC to battery. Such as cron, (no one wants updatedb while on battery!). < 1292186940 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/n,/n/ < 1292186972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what do you mean, how? < 1292187015 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, will you chmod -x the script and such. And what about preventing it from starting when booting on battery? < 1292187028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The important question is this: How do you accomplish it now? < 1292187030 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, will you run some stuff before it can start to chmod -x it if on battery, otherwise chmod +x < 1292187046 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I believe ubuntu has some magic for it. Considering it does work that way for me < 1292187059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, that's not exactly very precise. < 1292187095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, seems it does it by anacron < 1292187111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No reason you couldn't accomplish that with plain cron, no? < 1292187121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you know, just run anacron. < 1292187150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually.... it runs a shell script on the relevant acpi events, which tells anacron to enable/disable < 1292187157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems < 1292187171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Do that, then" (except s/anacron/whatever you use to handle updatedb and the like/) < 1292187195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but how does that solve it for booting? < 1292187210 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I know it skips it while booting, but I can't find how < 1292187217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *shrug* < 1292187229 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I know it skips "mounted too many times"-fsck if on battery < 1292187256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's irrelevant on JFS. < 1292187265 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1292187271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since fsck takes <1s ("nothing wrong") to maybe 2-3s ("bad shit"). < 1292187393 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292187444 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to do 3D modeling with METAFONT? < 1292187457 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-65.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292187493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know, but ... let's not find out. < 1292187535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, oh my god DO IT DO IT DO IT < 1292187541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone rename the Howduzitwerk section on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Runespells or I'll die. < 1292187626 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can't you do it yourself? < 1292187640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what to call it < 1292187663 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1292187713 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Overview" or something. < 1292187741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec emacs -Q --batch --script /dev/tty/3 3< Deewiant: Also, if you go within a 1 km^2 radius of Vorpal's house, expect to replace things that break randomly. <-- now you are exaggerating. < 1292188663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sorry; 0.9 km^2. < 1292188668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Don't let him show you around IT'S A TRAP. < 1292188697 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the worst that could happen < 1292188703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, I meant in the other part. The only place I require breaking of stuff due to bugs is the boatlevator, and it is clearly signed as buggy due to MP bugs < 1292188712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Suffocating inside a stone block! < 1292188720 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, other than that only for carelessness or maliciousness < 1292188747 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I.e. death, something which has no consequences? :-P < 1292188752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I never asked for replacement at the underground dock for example < 1292188764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You'd lose all your inventory! Also, no, no death, health is disabled, remember? You can just /spawn or /home. :P < 1292188776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, think of the horror. < 1292188793 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disabled health sounds lame < 1292188805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Dude, our primary method of transportation is high in the sky. < 1292188805 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with no inventory to lose it's no consequences. :-P < 1292188808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Health was a bitch :P < 1292188820 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should rethink the method, then < 1292188822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Also it broke my top-altitude to bedrock stairs and they're beautiful. < 1292188825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEAUTIFUL. < 1292188835 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well, anyway, when you spawn, don't move and set your render distance to "far". < 1292188837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, until fizzie widened it from 1 wide to 3 wide < 1292188844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Er, why? < 1292188847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, now it is just elliott who fails to walk on it < 1292188849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should have Creeper Wednesdays or something where monsters are turned on. :p < 1292188850 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ROU. < 1292188869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, yes. < 1292188871 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well i don't know but i think you could say he once survived by _not_ being the one to use a magic trunk (the ark) < 1292188879 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, well, the stretch from you to Mt. Hoover is 1 wide. < 1292188899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should turn on monsters but not health, just to have helpless creepers running about, exploding to no avail. < 1292188909 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, because you haven't fixed it? I did most of the stretch to me, fizzie most of the stretch from spawn to him and to nailor < 1292188923 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, both of us said "uh, lets make PH do this" basically < 1292188926 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so long < 1292188927 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, that stretch is REALLY LONG. < 1292188935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody goes to Mount Hoover that way :P < 1292188935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, which is why we left it to you < 1292188938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooray for the minecarts. < 1292188945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you might as well now. < 1292188955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Slow. < 1292188956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The minecarts are slow now, for some reason. < 1292188964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not as slow as walking. < 1292188974 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug of some sort, they are slower than in single player < 1292188978 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *quite* as slow. < 1292188990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we should just tell Deewiant the address, considering he has Finn Privileges. :p < 1292189003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I never heard of that < 1292189008 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait for ineiros < 1292189017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fizzie, ineiros, nailor -- see the pattern! < 1292189037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, me, you, Phantom_Hoover. 3 other people < 1292189059 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, but you are from SCANDINAVIA! < 1292189070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is basically the SAME THING! < 1292189083 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, not even same language group < 1292189105 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language group, SCHMANGUAGE GROUP. < 1292189117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm... schmanguages... < 1292189136 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt a Hungarian would get in on the premise of having a mother tongue in the same language group < 1292189155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, me, you, Phantom_Hoover. 3 other people < 1292189158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those three were there first. p < 1292189174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fizzie said it was basically a .fi server before you infiltrated. < 1292189178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant has Rights. < 1292189213 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also on that other channel with ineiros and fizzie. < 1292189222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that seals the deal. < 1292189236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, and Vorpal saying "t" constantly is his Tourette's. Please be respectful of his condition. < 1292189241 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And based on idle time, I think that ineiros may have gone to bed about 2 minutes before I asked. < 1292189260 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, no I say t because the thing doesn't echo locally, so good lag check < 1292189262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you know of a domain name that consists of a with three numbers after it, ending in a generic TLD for non-profits? < 1292189266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, since the server goes down every now and then < 1292189267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*three digits < 1292189274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the last two digits are equal. < 1292189293 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, and since t is talk, tt = send a t. which is fast < 1292189300 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can guess. :-P < 1292189329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You can guess three digits? :P < 1292189329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Phantom_Hoover says t a lot too < 1292189338 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TLD, mostly. < 1292189349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I was using it to verify if you already knew most of the address. :p < 1292189350 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appears to be running Apache with some kind of default index. < 1292189359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Verily. < 1292189372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You know how some servers have ports they run on? < 1292189391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is feasible that one of them would have a port denoted by the maximum value of an unsigned char, in decimal, followed by the last digit of that value, plus one. < 1292189402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Is that not a valid port according to the relevant specifications? < 1292189405 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1292189412 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would guess that all servers have at least one port that they run on. < 1292189419 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wonder what ineiros will say < 1292189420 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or respond on, to be precise. < 1292189422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Not if they're magical. < 1292189429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Say when what?! < 1292189461 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, UCHAR_MAX depends on CHAR_BIT, at least. :-P < 1292189480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, hey, I wasn't specifying anything, I was just SAYING! < 1292189488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take no responsibility for my information, which is factual. < 1292189539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheesh, this business is too cutthroat. I think I'm leaving the fact dissemination industry. < 1292189607 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's much safer to just lie about everything. < 1292189629 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hey, is there an echo bot in here? < 1292189640 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, is there an echo bot in here? < 1292189671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cat whirlpool < 1292189678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is that the name, i forget < 1292189681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know ^echo is silly < 1292189698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I feel like my services aren't being appreciated. < 1292189706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need payment. < 1292189741 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave you the word "overview" earlier, does that cover it? < 1292189760 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, have you figured out the Secret Address of the Esoteric Order of Minecraft? < 1292189781 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. I haven't tried it yet, though. < 1292189818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! I wonder how. < 1292189821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Did you just guess?? < 1292189839 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of it, yes. < 1292189846 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHAR_BIT == 8, for example. < 1292189856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. < 1292189872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I guess the ways of Finns are not to be ken by mortal men. < 1292189879 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then don't bring it up as subject matter. < 1292189890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that rhymes. The ways of Finns / are not to be ken / by mortal men. Can I get a payment for *that*, then? < 1292189937 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to translate it into grammatically correct finnish first. while still rhyming. < 1292189956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Bork bork bork / bork bork bork / bork bork bork. wait that's swedish < 1292189975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Paaïetta paaïetta paaïetta / paaïetta paaïetta paaïetta / paaïetta paaïetta paaïetta. < 1292189986 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't correct English, why bother making it correct Finnish < 1292189998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate paaietta < 1292190003 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paaietta < 1292190024 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto fi en paaietta < 1292190026 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paaietta < 1292190034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: while my translation was accurate, it was not correct. < 1292190034 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Finnish. :-P < 1292190054 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspected that, with the ï < 1292190137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not Finnish. :-P < 1292190142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reporters report that Deewiant may be "not Finnish". < 1292190156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is supposedly based on a statement by Deewiant himself where he reportedly says that he is, reportedly, "not Finnish". < 1292190180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Are you actually there? :P < 1292190314 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello. < 1292190320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, hi! < 1292190427 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, can Deewiant join our big Minecraft party? < 1292190436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Minecraft party, in the sky. < 1292190439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a cloud. < 1292190443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is my fanon and I'm sticking to it) < 1292190552 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to build a cloud with his titanic cloth surplus.
< 1292190834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't lett the cloud hit any icebergs < 1292190838 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*let < 1292190861 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION strangles his spelling
< 1292190905 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292191289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1292191333 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1292191644 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292191831 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote your premise to falsify "false" is false < 1292191832 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :248) your premise to falsify "false" is false < 1292192250 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@75-174-221-22.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292192268 0 :Sasha2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292192430 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292192569 0 :augur!~augur@store.redemmas.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1292192796 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1292192828 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292193059 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1292193671 0 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-d9329cc9.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292193703 0 :fizzie`!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1292193736 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-1176439313.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1292193791 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292193791 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292193792 0 :p_q!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292194017 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292194055 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1292194086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ompldr.org/vNmpiYw/2010-12-12_21.44.23.png < 1292194110 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wooden house, chess and stairs by night. < 1292194195 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292194214 0 :fizzie`!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :fizzie < 1292194218 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1292194220 0 :augur!~augur@store.redemmas.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1292194526 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → sleep
< 1292194528 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1292194535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292195236 0 :hagb4rd2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :hagb4rd < 1292195246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://ompldr.org/vNmpiYw/2010-12-12_21.44.23.png < 1292195248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is pretty. < 1292195339 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1292195519 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292196223 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: i hope < 1292196301 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292196374 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1292196509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phon far? < 1292196513 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah < 1292196520 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he quit < 1292196535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quite small window he plays in < 1292196539 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not near maximised < 1292196543 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or he has a small screen < 1292196599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I should get a dual screen setup again, so I can post HUGE screenshots < 1292196629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: who < 1292196638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh phantom < 1292196650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: erm 1366x768 is the size of my display < 1292196652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably his < 1292196767 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, small < 1292196782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have 1680x1050 on this < 1292196792 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292196793 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1292196804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yours isn't a laptop. < 1292196823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, correct < 1292196830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mine is 24" < 1292196861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 24" laptop would be annoying < 1292196883 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no? < 1292196895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 1680x1050 at 24" is terrible ppi. < 1292196904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, maybe it is 22" < 1292196905 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1292196908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets a ruler
< 1292196930 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, slightly over 50 cm diagonally < 1292197075 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292197196 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1292197364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, seems sprunge runs on google app engine < 1292197372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: evidence? < 1292197383 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1292197383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's open sourec now < 1292197384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*source < 1292197385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/rupa/sprunge (linked from sprunge.us) < 1292197387 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1292197401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't see what's wrong with that :) < 1292197412 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nothing, just interesting < 1292197429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and explains why it is never laggy < 1292197435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://un.ix.io/ this is him < 1292197444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, but it's not as good as MY pastebin!1111 < 1292197451 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, link? < 1292197452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i appear to be turning into some kind of mutant object database in my head < 1292197456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: /home/elliott/code/... < 1292197457 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1292197469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well fizzie's does both url forwarding and pasting so why not EXTEND THAT < 1292197470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, second system syndrome < 1292197477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: actually, first system syndrome :D < 1292197496 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for you yes, but second compared to exisiting ones < 1292197510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that link: bash revision control < 1292197511 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1292197527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: technically i wrote the perfect pastebin earlier which used *your* editor configured how *you* want it to display the file, in a manner tuned to your OS < 1292197533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but everyone whined that ZOMG IT OPENS A NEW WINDOW < 1292197538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so HMPH < 1292197542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I like it showing in browser < 1292197551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, 's 'cuz you're stupid! < 1292197559 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, everyone wanted that though < 1292197571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, ais523 loved it :P < 1292197580 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but what about Gregor? or fizzie? < 1292197588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't comment < 1292197599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, see, they were just to polite to complain! < 1292197615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Made this little wrapper around the delightful automeme service for easy spamming with irssi. I have /meme aliased to /exec -o meme and it annoys the hell out of esch." < 1292197618 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How exactly does it use YOUR editor configured how YOU want it. < 1292197628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Because it tells the browser to open the file in the appropriate application. < 1292197635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is set to your favourite editor for that type of file. < 1292197643 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wtf is "flattr"? I saw a link saying "flattr this", "twit this" and "dig this" I seen, but this is a new one < 1292197661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's this thing the guys behind tpb made i think ... at least i hear it was them < 1292197667 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1292197669 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are services down? < 1292197672 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yet another social network? < 1292197678 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, so it said in the wallops a while ago < 1292197684 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-tomaw/Wallops- Services will be offline for a few minutes while we fix some database issues. < 1292197686 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-tomaw/Wallops- Channel ops may wish to op themselves in case they need ops during the downtime < 1292197686 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: thanks < 1292197687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, i forget what it is < 1292197690 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g231049071.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292197695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: micropayments, it seems < 1292197702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flattr is a micropayment system - more specifically, a microdonation system - that launched publicly in March 2010 on an invite-only basis[1], and then opened up to the public in August 2010[2]. < 1292197702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flattr Button (does not actually Flattr this page) < 1292197702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flattr is a project started by Peter Sunde and Linus Olsson. Users are able to pay a small amount every month (minimum 2 euros) and then click Flattr buttons on sites to share out the money they paid in among those sites, kind of like an Internet tip jar. < 1292197705 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm, bad thing to click on such a link thne < 1292197720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, it SUCKS YOUR MONEY OUT AUTOMATICALLY WITHOUT EVEN CONFIRMING < 1292197721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1292197724 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of annoying in channels requiring registration to talk :/ < 1292197745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, use a bouncer! < 1292197756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1292197766 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1292197769 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dunno anything about those < 1292197781 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest66174 < 1292197788 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this looks interesting https://github.com/joelthelion/autojump/wiki < 1292197791 0 :Guest66174!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1292197798 0 :Guest66174!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like they're back :D < 1292197798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :back up I guess < 1292197859 0 :Guest66174!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :quintopia < 1292197952 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is that server new enough to have biomes or is it all grassy? < 1292197981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or whoever knows:) < 1292197998 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292198001 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, biomes in far out areas < 1292198013 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, but older generated in the areas around spawn < 1292198040 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, one place biomes start is just beyond mt. hoover < 1292198042 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that explains it < 1292198060 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, you get strange jagged areas along the edges sometimes < 1292198367 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1292198399 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric