00:00:34 Why is it silly 00:00:59 elliott: well it is clearly a link to the FUTURE 00:01:10 Deewiant: because it's an empty promise? 00:01:16 it's not going to be a useful link for ages, so it's rather pointless 00:01:53 elliott: Your IRC client must have some way to enter another command to IRC server though, it depends on the client. The FLUSH command I implemented can take only one parameter anyways. 00:02:45 The cost of linkifying is low compared to the potential uses; it might be unlinkified for a long time after the page goes up, which is a greater loss 00:04:11 * oerjan ponders making a joke page for Feather 00:07:27 '''Feather''' is like... ''whoa,'' man... 00:07:35 Deewiant: RED IS UGLY 00:07:36 * oerjan is writing now 00:07:47 elliott: Use custom CSS. 00:07:53 Deewiant: ;_; 00:07:58 oerjan: psht, if you weren't an admin i'd ask for it to be deleted :D 00:09:09 i _am not_ an admin 00:09:49 oerjan: oh, indeed :D 00:11:10 hm how many characters do you need to store an sha512 digest 00:11:24 64, it seems 00:16:24 Is there anything wrong with the C-LONG beer program? 00:18:14 And do you have anything to say about TeXnicard anyways? 00:20:41 elliott: that was some fast editing 00:21:15 oerjan: i just clicked the red feather link and saw you'd already created the page :) 00:21:17 pure coincidence 00:21:24 one might even say ... SYNCHRONICITY 00:21:30 * elliott gets switten 00:21:50 (those who are swatted are switten) 00:22:12 elliott: heh. but you managed to do it between me saving the page and refreshing Recent Changes 00:22:19 heh 00:22:29 which must have been less than half a minute 00:38:53 -!- Sasha2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:38:59 -!- Sasha has joined. 00:45:00 this reminds me of mel brooks's luggage in space balls: http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/top-25-gawker-passwords 00:47:33 -!- Wamanuz has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 00:47:34 Heh... Wonder why ping times on this LAN link are so asymmetric and growing: In the start the ping times were about 0.5ms and 0.6ms. Now those are about 11.0ms and 1.7ms (resp.) 00:49:16 quintopia: "Top 25 Gawker Passwords"? Seriously? 00:49:29 If writing "Top" and then a number was banned on the internet, I would be a happy man. 00:49:38 Ilari: gravitional time dilation. check if one of the servers has become a black hole 00:49:49 oh wait 00:49:51 it's literally, most popular 00:49:54 not "best" :D 00:49:58 heh 00:50:04 Aren't pings round trip times? 00:50:34 divided by 2, usually 00:51:07 Anyway, there's factor of ~6 difference in round-trip times... 00:51:40 And variability between pings is very small... 00:52:11 quintopia: erm are you sure ping times are divided 00:52:43 quintopia: they're not, since they're round-trip times 00:52:53 not sure why you said they were divided by 2. 00:53:26 It isn't time measurement drift: Starting another ping shows the same kind of RTTs. 00:53:31 quintopia: ? 00:54:36 Actually, both times grew at start, but now that lesser time appears to have reached saturation whereas the bigger one continues to increase... 00:56:44 Also, pings to IPv6 address of the same host are fast (~0.6ms). 00:59:04 Gregor: http://sprunge.us/JYDZ Please tell me how silly I am. 01:00:16 BTW: IPSec slows down RTT by about 0.3ms. :-) 01:04:36 elliott: i misremembered, i guess 01:04:43 ok 01:06:47 => IPSEC doubles the latency for me... :-) 01:06:47 -!- Sasha has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:07:11 -!- Sasha has joined. 01:16:01 elliott: How close are you to the batsman? 01:16:08 zzo38: I am the goddamn batsman. 01:16:33 elliott: The closer you are to the batsman, the more silly you are. 01:17:05 zzo38: Such a Joker. 01:17:15 Must ... kill ... everyone ... 01:18:29 Gregor: wat 01:18:37 elliott: Two or four jokers, please? 01:19:31 Gregor: wat 01:20:25 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 01:20:55 -!- Mathnerd314 has joined. 01:23:36 What's the minimum worst case bound for number of UTF-8 characters required to store SHA-512 hash? :-) 01:24:57 Ilari: 64, surely 01:25:02 Ilari: if they're all in ASCII range 01:25:25 Ilari: well, presumably you mean the actual raw hash in base 256 01:25:26 but maybe not 01:26:55 Vorpal: these look nice: http://www.retributiongames.com/quandary/ 01:27:59 Vorpal: heh i like this: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=46707 01:28:12 Please read this and tell me how crazy I did this: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/computer_cricket 01:30:19 Ah, not UTF-8 characters, but UTF-8 bytes. It seems the number is 72, 73 or 74. 01:30:52 The FPGA is no good unless there is sufficient public information available to create and upload the files to the FPGA without using any software you didn't write. 01:31:04 * oerjan thinks "minimum worst case" looks a _teeny_ bit oxymoronic 01:37:16 zzo38: methinks many people would disagree ... 01:38:19 elliott: Why? 01:38:29 because it's silly to say that? 01:38:43 elliott: Why? 01:38:57 zzo38: because FPGAs are useful even without meeting that condition 01:39:49 But it is better if it does meet the condition I wrote. 01:40:29 I love not studying for finals. 01:40:57 pikhq: "Laziness + weak hash tables + dynamic scope + side effects = heisenbug. Made a race condition look like an off-by-one error." 01:41:03 pikhq: Anyone who can combine these things is a god among men. 01:41:13 (And then FIGURE OUT what a bug involving them is.) 01:41:22 Did you read my other message? Do you think the umpire is really a vampire? 01:41:23 elliott: Oh holy mother of god. 01:41:33 pikhq: Indeed. 01:52:36 pikhq: Please recommend me an alternative to /r/programming that isn't Slashdot. 01:54:58 -!- quintopia has changed nick to RadioBotStreams. 01:55:04 #esoteric 01:55:27 -!- RadioBotStreams has changed nick to quintopia. 01:55:56 yeah pretty much #esoteric 01:56:41 yeah, but I generate most of the links in #esoteric... from /r/programming :) 01:56:46 I want something where I don't have to do the filtering work, dammit! 01:58:04 you are looking for programming-related news links? 01:58:36 quintopia: pretty much... although more a CS bent 01:58:41 but yes, programming links. 02:00:06 That minimum worst case is actually well defined. Consider all functions that map all 2^512 SHA-512 hashes to UTF-8 strings. For each function f, there is maximum number of bytes in resulting UTF-8 strings (L(f)). Now what is the minimum of L(f) over all possible choices of f? 02:01:51 elliott: start going to conferences :P 02:02:31 quintopia: that costs rather more money than the £0 I currently spend on programming links, involves a lot more travelling that probably doesn't fit into my life, and involves a lot more boredom and time passing, too 02:02:37 It is at most 74 because one can split 512 bits into 74 blocks of 7 bits each, and one can encode each block using a single ASCII character (which is subset of UTF-8). 02:02:54 elliott: but you'll always be on the bleeding edge of CS news 02:03:20 quintopia: i can get the same from reading random arxiv papers, I want a filter, dammit 02:03:39 (more seriously, there aren't many places out there where you don't have to separate the signal from the noise yourself...even conferences have some crap) 02:04:08 The lower bound of 72 comes from the fact that entropy of UTF-8 is ~7.1756 bits per byte, giving lower bound of ~71.353 bytes (which rounds up to 72 bytes). 02:04:30 quintopia: yes, but /r/programming is significantly worse than it used to be. 02:05:52 elliott: figure out who is making it worse and get them kidnapped by ethiopian pirates? 02:06:25 your solutions, always so practical. 02:07:25 i wonder... 02:09:17 what 02:10:11 elliott: news.ycombinator.com? 02:10:48 Okay, I computed the exact low bound: 73. 02:10:48 quintopia: i know of it. 02:10:58 how is it? 02:11:05 Quadrescence: sure, it is generally better than reddit -- but on the other hand, it's coated with the startup mindset 02:11:09 ugh *quintopia: 02:11:31 quintopia: meaning, lots of stupid business articles I don't care about, lots of rubbish startup-related things I don't care about, and more links than I'd like to WEB 2.0 crap 02:11:36 (WEB 2.0 is shouted there.) 02:12:30 "Facebook intern visualizes friendships, draws world map" "HN: We're starting a "Move to Silicon Valley" wiki. We could use some help." "The Anatomy of a Perfect Landing Page" "Commute to work like a boss, fly there" <-- first things on the current front page that i really don't care to see 02:12:37 quintopia: i mean, the programming links are better than reddit's. and the comments too. 02:12:54 quintopia: but there's more completely-unrelated-to-programming crap than /r/programming, and it's more irritating than reddit's non-programming crap 02:13:02 elliott: write a simple software filter on top of their rss feed :P 02:13:21 quintopia: unfortunately i have not yet written a program to classify the topic of statements from their text by interpreting them 02:14:15 i know someone who has. he implemented it from another paper, and is sending me a writeup on wed. 02:14:51 classifies with 97% accuracy in a 3-fold cross-validation 02:15:56 quintopia: "Commute to work like a boss, fly there" -- how on earth would you classify this is "non-programming" 02:16:10 it's near the level of AI to identify that as non-programming without also filtering out a lot of programming links 02:16:58 well, you'd need to look at the actual article 02:17:08 it takes a certain number of features 02:17:30 quintopia: i doubt i could get past a paywall. 02:17:30 ~100 words is usually enough 02:17:43 quintopia: you realise that classification algorithms are not a new thing? 02:17:50 elliott: could you get past a paywall anyway? 02:17:55 they won't categorise Hacker News for me. 02:18:04 quintopia: i'm saying that it's pointless mentioning it without linking the paper 02:18:17 no, but if you take a significant subset of HNews and classify it manually, then they can 02:18:36 For SHA-256, the similar number is 37. And for Skein-1024, 144. 02:19:03 oh, you misunderstood me 02:19:07 Ilari: what about cubehash :) 02:19:11 elliott: So have you renamed it to scape🐐 yet? 02:19:15 quintopia: I did? 02:19:16 Gregor: nope! 02:19:25 elliott: DOOD WHY NOT 02:19:32 i meant, your learning algorithm would need to look at the actual article linked from HNews in order to get enough data to classify 02:19:35 Gregor: VARIOUS REASONS 02:19:37 quintopia: oh. 02:19:44 quintopia: that would eat my bandwidth :) 02:20:04 ...how often do new articles get posted? 02:20:14 looks like at most every 10 min 02:20:30 quintopia: way more often than that, they just don't all get promoted to the front page 02:20:38 oh 02:20:39 see /newest 02:20:47 quintopia: i don't want it using my bandwidth when i'm not viewing it, anyway! 02:20:50 elliott: TOO VARIOUS IF YOU ASK ME 02:20:53 so it'd have to do it all at once --> slow 02:20:58 Oops, 36 (256 bits), 72 (512 bits) and 143 (1024 bits)... :-/ 02:21:00 Gregor: maybe if you write some code for it i'll CONSIDER it 02:21:24 elliott: best to have it hosted on a remote server then :P 02:21:33 quintopia: or just keep reading reddi 02:21:34 t 02:22:19 elliott: How about if I just register goatpettingzoo.com and don't put goat porn there? 02:22:30 elliott: does that mean you're gonna stop whining about /r/programming's slow decline? 02:22:34 Gregor: X-D 02:22:49 quintopia: can you link to clog log dates when i have whined about it? 02:22:56 OH RIGHT there's actually only one and it's today. 02:23:07 easy enough to link then :P 02:23:49 but complaining about something when you're not willing to work to improve is useless even if it's only once 02:24:02 quintopia: what am i expected to do, start my own fucking site? 02:24:11 i said that /r/programming is going to shit and *asked for alternatives* 02:24:11 :D 02:24:12 please? 02:24:25 no, i already have a design for a reddit-based site and it relies fundamentally on nobody knowing about it 02:24:28 yes, but there are no alternatives :P 02:24:29 *reddit-like 02:24:35 quintopia: then just say that? 02:24:42 quintopia: you whine about me whining way more than i actually whine 02:25:05 unlikely 02:25:22 quintopia: well, it's the same order of magnitude 02:25:47 Do you know what yakitori penalties are? 02:26:03 Restricting to BMP doesn't change the figures (36/72/143). 02:26:40 Ilari: why on earth are you calculating this :) 02:26:49 Just for fun... :-) 02:27:23 And it is considerably easier than computing the exact expression for the entropy of UTF-8 bytes. :-) 02:28:16 Ilari: What is the entropy of UTF-8? 02:28:19 Since you need to solve one root of 4th degree polynomial (that doesn't have rational root) for that... 02:29:02 Ilari: BAH! Throwing things at Wolfram Alpha solves all problems. 02:29:08 ...just expressing the polynomial and saying which root it is would be an exact expression, nay? 02:30:33 The polynomial is x⁴-128x³-1920x²-61438x-1048544=0 and the root in question is the root in the interval [128,256]. 02:32:25 Take base 2 logarithm of that and you get the entropy in bits per byte. 02:32:41 144.56765801397 02:33:03 oerjan: fuck you, i was just doing that :) 02:33:05 OK. 02:33:07 "solve x⁴-128x³-1920x²-61438x-1048544=0, 128 <= x <= 256" 02:33:08 wolfram alpha 02:33:10 :P 02:33:29 elliott: i happened to have a src0 function in one of my haskell files 02:34:15 Ilari: 7.1756 bits of entropy per byte 02:34:18 oerjan: ha i did the last step before you 02:34:37 elliott: only because i didn't even try, PHHH 02:34:39 Can anything have negative or complex number entropy? 02:34:45 or is that PPPH 02:35:00 oerjan: what sound are you trying to express :P 02:35:02 zzo38: not in this sense 02:35:02 zzo38: no. well negative maybe. 02:35:10 if it's a black hole, say :D 02:35:11 oerjan: No, it is PPHHHPHPHHHPPHPHPHPHHHPPHPHPHPPHPHPHPHPPHPHPHPHPH 02:35:37 is it called a raspberry sound? 02:36:11 oerjan: "phhhhhhhbt" 02:36:13 one would think 02:36:13 What is the sound of one raspberry clapping? 02:36:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_a_raspberry 02:36:25 zzo38: DEEP 02:36:36 oerjan: phhhhhhhbt 02:36:38 i'd go for 02:37:13 wow. someone sold a web app for $350? lol 02:37:21 quintopia: BIG BUX 02:37:32 quintopia: i was offered IIRC $20 for the source to my digg#1 site :P 02:37:51 zzo38: although physically entropy might very well be negative given that afaik the zero point is an arbitrary choice 02:37:59 (this being before digg went to shit... well ok it had gone to shit but not as much as it have now) 02:38:11 but informational entropy is not that way 02:38:46 oerjan: But what I mean is, can negative informational entropy have some meaning? 02:38:47 the macroscopic thermodynamic version of entropy only speaks of changes in it, not an absolute scale, iirc 02:39:12 i don't know 02:39:18 Make a esolang with negative (or complex number) informational entropy. 02:39:44 -!- daniel has joined. 02:40:15 Please tell me what should belong in the "Multiball mode" section and "Alien abduction" section, and what things are wrong with the "Physics" section. 02:40:19 i know that entropy for FSA's is always non-negative, since it's a solution of a non-negative matrix maximal eigenvalue 02:40:55 oh god http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ConversationalChaff whoever wrote this is a horrible person and knows way too much about people :) 02:41:34 oerjan: Would a negative entropy esolang have to be uncomputable to work? Or not? 02:41:51 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:42:09 oerjan: and why do you want to include syntactically invalid commands in your IRC server? 02:42:11 oerjan: the babies demand to know 02:42:25 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 02:42:45 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_a_raspberry 02:42:46 zzo38: i don't think uncomputability helps, really 02:42:50 I hope the raspberry at least buys you dinner. 02:43:05 * oerjan swats Gregor -----### 02:43:07 oerjan: OK. 02:43:40 you'd rather need some esoteric concept of information to calculate the entropy of, i think 02:44:22 there _is_ of course such a thing as quantum information theory which i know almost nothing about, i don't know if it has any nonnegative entropies 02:44:56 oerjan is quantum 02:45:05 elliott: the babies cannot demand anything, i ate them all 02:45:12 oerjan: WHYYYYYYYYYYY 02:45:27 i already _told_ you they were tasty 02:45:49 Does the people who wrote the RFC of IRC know why? 02:46:05 zzo38: yes. 02:46:07 undoubtedly. 02:46:31 zzo38: i would be surprised if they even were aware of my existence 02:46:52 oerjan: THEY SEE EVERYTHING 02:49:27 elliott: Do they see my IRC server? 02:49:46 Yes. 02:50:20 -!- daniel has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2). 02:50:26 Do they see invisible people? 02:51:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguolabial_consonant 02:51:33 (the r proves IPA has a symbol for _everything_) 02:53:04 Now make a language that has all the sounds of IPA, and a few new ones that are impossible for any people to ever speak. 02:53:38 oerjan: i would like to meet someone who can pronounce all of IPA 02:54:14 you don't say 02:54:14 elliott: Do you even know of any such people? 02:55:00 zzo38: no, i'm not sure it's possible :) 02:55:21 there's probably two sounds in there that are impossible to pronounce with the same mouth, like it can only learn to use one and then it can't do the other 02:55:22 or something 02:57:29 Make the game with a monster with two mouth 03:11:11 -!- wareya has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:13:37 -!- zzo38 has quit (Quit: Terminal fell off). 03:14:28 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:16:00 -!- wareya has joined. 03:28:01 In other news, AIDS has been cured. 03:31:11 cool 03:34:43 was it money? 03:39:13 http://www.cureaidsinfo.com/ <<< oh so actually it was done in the 80's already 03:39:49 and apparently, once you've cured your aids at home, you can take up a new hobby & learn a new language 03:40:34 oklofok: Bone marrow from someone immune to it! 03:40:35 -!- Iwnda01 has joined. 03:40:56 Aaand Pidgin is crashing. 03:41:04 In its JSON parser‽ 03:41:07 Why does it have one? 03:42:20 pikhq: that's not news 03:43:08 oerjan: No, but seriously. AIDS has been cured. 03:44:09 ...more than one person? 03:44:44 not to butt in but, there is no cure for aids. 03:45:25 argh! 03:45:28 oerjan: No, but only due to the expense. 03:46:03 It's fucking hard to hunt down a bone marrow donor that is genetically immune to AIDS, and this happened by chance. 03:46:12 Iwnda01: Yes there is. 03:46:12 not true. it's because HIV morphs so often it's apparently impossible to kill. 03:46:30 Iwnda01: do you even know the case we are talking about? 03:46:42 no i suppose i dont. 03:46:48 this would all be news to me. 03:46:49 Iwnda01: Bone marrow transplant with someone actually *immune* to the virus. 03:47:01 Iwnda01: Suddenly, all the immune cells in that person's body are immune to the virus. 03:47:06 And so HIV goes away. 03:47:10 Poof, cure for AIDS. 03:47:18 which person 03:47:53 There are people genetically immune to AIDS 03:47:53 He was named only as "the Berlin patient" in the /New England Journal of Medicine/ and /Blood/. 03:47:58 and how would we find out if they are immune without infecting them and/or possibly killing them in the long run 03:48:03 It's genetic 03:48:07 you can devise a simple test 03:48:24 pikhq: i am pretty sure i saw a reddit post about him giving an interview under the full name 03:48:28 oh i see, remove the fluids and test out of the body 03:48:55 well he's got a trillion dollar body if he lives through all of the operations. 03:49:09 it's not one person 03:49:17 Iwnda01: About 1% of Caucasians are immune to it, actually. 03:49:25 amazing. 03:50:05 that's great news 03:50:14 are they making any headway with it? 03:51:03 has anyone been cured? 03:51:13 Research on easier/cheaper ways of doing it are in progress. 03:51:39 And yes, a single person, who by *chance* needed a bone marrow transplant (leukemia), and his donor was immune to AIDS. 03:51:42 so we can finally have start having unprotected buttsex with strangers 03:51:44 http://www.aidsmap.com/page/1577949/?r=1 is the link currently on reddit 03:51:44 As I said earlier. 03:51:54 as a species 03:52:27 oklofok: that's looking at it with a hawks eye 03:52:34 oklofok: well you'd need to find an immune bone marrow donor first 03:52:59 Iwnda01: i think you may not be acquainted with oklofok's particular brand of humor 03:53:04 not really, you have like 50 years to do that once you get the virus 03:53:19 no i totally get him. i was just seeing which he was 03:54:04 oklofok: yeah but what if there _aren't_ any? compatible donors are probably rare, immune people are rare... 03:54:06 butt sex for everyone 03:54:11 who would want it... 03:54:38 actually this one time, doctors told me i absolutely must have chlamydia, but then turned out i didn't; my conclusion is i'm immune to all std's 03:54:57 oklofok: you're in tall cotton 03:55:13 Iwnda01: what does that mean? 03:55:18 I, oklofok, am also the king pin. 03:55:46 i don't get you at all 03:56:23 I guess I don't get you either 03:56:29 nice to meet you 03:56:30 oerjan: Uh, bone marrow donors are always compatible. 03:56:31 you can't not get me 03:56:37 oerjan: They start by removing your immune system. 03:56:38 pikhq: not in house 03:56:42 oh 03:56:58 The new bone marrow replaces it. 03:57:06 pikhq: oh they are? i guess that makes sense. 03:57:30 pikhq: in that case it should be possible to _grow_ immune bone marrow, shouldn't it 03:57:39 Possible. 03:57:41 i thought they stick a needle in the donor's back, take some shit outta there, and inject it in the other dude 03:57:45 stem cells? 03:57:45 poof done 03:57:51 Iwnda01: king pin? 03:57:52 Iwnda01: yeah 03:57:59 who else is the king pin? 03:58:29 oklofok: After irradiating & chemotherapying the receiver of the marrow to kill the bone marrow and the white blood cells. 03:58:33 will farrel 03:58:55 pikhq: have you even *watched* house? 03:59:10 because that sounds just crazy! 03:59:19 oklofok: I don't watch House, no. 03:59:33 oklofok: I prefer knowing how medicine actually works. 04:00:04 plus house has a terrible attitude 04:00:27 `addquote oklofok: I don't watch House, no. oklofok: I prefer knowing how medicine actually works. 04:00:45 249) oklofok: I don't watch House, no. oklofok: I prefer knowing how medicine actually works. 04:01:00 pikhq: what, you trust a dusty old ugly book more than SMART MEDICAL TYPE PEOPLE on tv? 04:01:24 judge not the book by its dusty ugly cover 04:01:41 oklofok: hey you cannot trust anyone who's been spending time with blackadder 04:01:44 oklofok: ^ This explains the entire American political, intellectual, and cultural climate. 04:02:09 but judge the book once you read it thoroughly. 04:02:16 i learn all my math on numb3rs 04:02:49 whats that oklofok 04:02:55 * pikhq se'hųku suru tiȳû 04:03:04 tijuu? 04:03:08 pikhq: words to live by 04:03:19 oerjan: More like words to die by. 04:03:30 "/me is in the middle of seppuku" 04:03:36 Iwnda01: show about... well no idea what but they have funny clips on youtube 04:03:53 ok words to live by, very briefly 04:03:56 sounds about right 04:03:58 :) 04:04:21 some sort of hacking stuff probably. 04:04:28 oklofok: Math. 04:04:34 oklofok: It claims to be about math. 04:04:51 pikhq: which means it's probably about arithmetic? 04:04:59 i'm sure it *claims* that 04:05:00 haha 04:05:04 show about aritmetic 04:05:06 oerjan: No, it's about BULLSHIT. 04:05:28 oerjan: Imagine if Treknobabble were done using mathematics jargon. 04:05:31 That. 04:05:31 * Iwnda01 installs tuxmath 04:05:37 "hey let's make a show where people do like REALLY BIG SUMS MENTALLY and all teh math ppl will luuuuurb it" 04:05:37 ah. 04:06:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ Also, this. 04:06:24 "we have to calculate the topological invariant to find the kleene closure of this klein vierergrouppe!" 04:06:30 *gruppe or whatever 04:06:42 gruppe secks 04:06:47 "It's how hackers chat when they don't want to be overheard." 04:06:51 oklofok: hey no fair i was about to write some mathobabble myself! 04:07:07 you can still do it, it's funny twice 04:07:08 (it would, of course, take a *complete* moron to use IRC to be secretive.) 04:07:14 (SILC, perhaps, but IRC?) 04:07:33 Also, 1337. 04:07:51 SHIPPING CHANNELS IN THE OCEAN 04:07:57 that's actually the only clip i know 04:08:01 from the show 04:08:09 ...does 1337 have any interesting mathematical properties? 04:08:50 oerjan: No, it's an incredibly mundane substitution cypher. 04:09:33 "OMG OMG THIS WILL BE OVER IN A SECOND" "SCREENSHOT QUICKLY BEFORE THE INFORMATION IS GONNEEEE" 04:09:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F3-j-GQcts&feature=related OH MY GOD THAT HURTS 04:10:05 !haskell [n | n <- 2:[3,5 .. 40], 1337 `mod` n == 0] 04:10:12 bah no egobot 04:11:12 `which factor 04:11:13 /usr/bin/factor 04:11:17 `factor 1337 04:11:18 1337: 7 191 04:11:41 NOT EVEN PRIME 04:11:55 pikhq: i'm so confused i don't even know if that was a correct description 04:11:57 hypothesis: 1337 is the smallest uninteresting number 04:12:01 :D 04:12:25 oklofok: It was a bizarre mangling of the Chinese Room thought experiment and the Turing Machine. 04:12:35 oerjan: Making it an interesting number. 04:12:37 yeah i'm still not sure what happened there 04:12:46 pikhq: that's the joke 04:12:48 pikhq: shush, you 04:12:58 the chinese room experiment is ... which is called the turing test 04:12:59