< 1292371288 0 :oklofok!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1292371591 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1292371915 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292371953 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1292372499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: uh? < 1292372505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm waaiiiitiiiing. :p < 1292372674 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please write a C program, at most 415241 characters long, that calculates pi to one million decimal places. < 1292372744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That's not difficult, is it. < 1292372777 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, too lenient. It must be at most 165373 characters long. < 1292372786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Can it print in hex as long as the result is 1 million decimal places when converted to decimal? < 1292372802 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gf went to a girl's party < 1292372821 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if it's accurate to one million decimal places. < 1292372901 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got back completely stoned < 1292372904 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerat < 1292372906 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1292372948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Just a minute then. < 1292373004 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Or a few minutes. < 1292373066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Is it alright if I, uh, steal some code from elsewhere and adapt some of it? < 1292373067 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.spoj.pl/ranks/PIVAL/lang=C here's some that are limited to 4096 bytes (no code, though). < 1292373080 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They presumably could go to 1 million given enough time < 1292373086 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: only if that code is written in plain English. < 1292373100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What if it's written in mathematicalformulas? < 1292373107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mathematical formulas < 1292373133 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are fine. < 1292373172 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292373354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Oh fer gods sake, this is fiddly; I was just going to do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailey%E2%80%93Borwein%E2%80%93Plouffe_formula in an infinite loop. < 1292373364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That's an easy way to print the entirety of pi with a simple program. < 1292373367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In hex, no less. < 1292373388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you don't need any arbitary-precision this or whatever. < 1292373399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Aha, wait, I think I've got it. < 1292373410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Gimme a minute. < 1292373556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Why do you want this, anywy? < 1292373558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*anyway < 1292373693 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No good reason. < 1292373992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: this is SO NEARLY ALMOST SORT OF WORKING < 1292374177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: are you trying to kolgomorov complexitise pi? :P < 1292374237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: btw i cheated *slightly* (stole one single expression that is just a basic arithmetical calculation restated in python) < 1292374240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to be a bit lazy < 1292374393 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1292374534 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292374750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Think I've got it. < 1292374796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: 245 foo.c < 1292374798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: < 1292374799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1292374799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1292374799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void){printf("3.");for(long double n=1,r,l=0;n<1000000;n++){printf("%x",(int)floorl(16*(l=(modfl((16*l)+(((120*n-89)*n+16) / ((((512*n-1024)*n+712)*n-206)*n+21)),&r)))));fflush(stdout);}printf("\n");} < 1292374804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Valid C99, or something in that vicinity. < 1292374813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verification of the one million hex digits is left as an exercise to the reader. < 1292374819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, that can be even shorter. < 1292374851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :243 foo.c < 1292374853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1292374853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1292374853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void){printf("3.");for(long double n=1,r,l=0;n<1000000;n++){printf("%x",(int)floorl(16*(l=(modfl((16*l)+(((120*n-89)*n+16)/((((512*n-1024)*n+712)*n-206)*n+21)),&r)))));fflush(stdout);}printf("\n");} < 1292374871 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292374875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Are you happy? :p < 1292374893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void){printf("3.");for(long double n=1,r,l=0;n<1000000;n++){printf("%x",(int)floorl(16*(l=(modfl((16*l)+(((120*n-89)*n+16)/((((512*n-1024)*n+712)*n-206)*n+21)),&r)))));fflush(stdout);}puts("");} < 1292374896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One shorter! Oh the joy < 1292374899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*joy! < 1292374948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1292374948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1292374948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(void){printf("3.");for(long double n=1,r,l=0;n<1<<20;n++){printf("%x",(int)floorl(16*(l=(modfl((16*l)+(((120*n-89)*n+16)/((((512*n-1024)*n+712)*n-206)*n+21)),&r)))));fflush(stdout);}puts("");} < 1292374950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shorter AND prints more digits! < 1292374965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the results of that one are fishy. < 1292374989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the end results are fishy in general but that might just be my eyes. < 1292375015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: praise plz < 1292375094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2 < 1292375104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Alleged FBI backdoors in widely-copies OpenBSD IPSEC code. < 1292375192 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292375548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Do you have the power to summon oerjan? < 1292375772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ilari: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2 <-- ouch < 1292375795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The FBI-backdoors-OpenBSD story is like the NSA assassinations stories: Believable except for the minor detail that it's the wrong TLA." --cperciva < 1292375833 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, TLA? < 1292375836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three letter acronym < 1292375844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1292375844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one would expect it to be the NSA wanting such backdoors, not the FBI < 1292375847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: can i have servers+funding please < 1292375854 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for? < 1292375863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: project! < 1292375867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also /me is trolling #openbsd now >_> < 1292375871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what project < 1292375877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(okay, opaquely enough that it doesn't actually count as trolling) < 1292375878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and trolling is *never* nice < 1292375883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's joke-trolling < 1292375901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, going to sleep as I packed the backpack < 1292375908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the project project! parade! < 1292375910 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9.21M addresses allocated from APNIC this calender month (based on delegated file dated 2010-12-14)... At this rate, IANA pool will deplete in a month (mid-January). < 1292375920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2 :P < 1292375927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, answer: no, you are being annoying vague too < 1292375933 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoyingly* < 1292375937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Freow. < 1292375938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you really /want/ me to be specific < 1292375940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2 < 1292375945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusing if nothing else < 1292375950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure < 1292375957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it for kitten? < 1292375966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nope, it's an entirely separate project < 1292375968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but an excellent one! < 1292375972 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what project < 1292375979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i want to obsolete VPSes. well, mostly. >:) < 1292375986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i even know how to market it! < 1292375988 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, details < 1292376016 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Aaaah, the joys of the spy agencies spying on each other. < 1292376066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: basically, you pay me $N/mo. where by me I mean $company. put "float" in front of a command, and it executes on $server, where you don't care what $server is. you can manage this process in various ways from the command-line -- putting it in the "background", monitoring it, killing it, sending stuff to its stdin, etc. -- and also view its output, log files (you have to tell it what those are, though -- pretty much looking through the / it < 1292376066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s in), etc. < 1292376093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this process is seamlessly migrated to other servers as the server load demands, and given a Xen-or-whatever allocation according to how much you're paying us, and how much you're already using, globally < 1292376109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you can start processes in more involved ways to make them integrate better with the system, by specifying more about how they act < 1292376128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the migration doesn't lose internet connections and the like, because sockets and the like go through "fd proxy" machines < 1292376133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tl;dr custom patched libc) < 1292376143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sooo. some application level virtualisation along google apps lines? < 1292376148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not really, it'd be actual linux < 1292376151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xen-based or whatever < 1292376158 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but per process? < 1292376168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: pretty much. obviously you can spawn multiple processes at a time, but yes, per "task" < 1292376183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the basic use-case is... you've made an IRC bot, and you've been running it locally, but now you want it up permanently < 1292376185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and how do you count fork() < 1292376186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put "float" in front of the command < 1292376188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forget about it < 1292376189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tada < 1292376191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "count"? < 1292376194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes in the same namespace < 1292376199 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, same or different task < 1292376199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the original process < 1292376202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same. duh < 1292376208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"task" is up to you < 1292376208 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, okay, fork() + execv() ? < 1292376211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1292376211 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1292376212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1292376214 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1292376215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE SUCH A FUCKING NITPICKER >_< < 1292376218 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1292376229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway, it'd also scale to things above IRC bots < 1292376242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, such as minecraft? < 1292376247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure :D < 1292376255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, the float command would try to automatically figure out what paths and files you've mentioned, and upload them (you are, of course, able to do this manually if the magic isn't working out) < 1292376261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so e.g. "mybot myconffile mydatadir/" < 1292376270 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you think you could implement it actually < 1292376274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also access the filesystem from afar < 1292376277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., you start a web server < 1292376280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and want to upload stuff there < 1292376283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you scp/sftp in < 1292376289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sure, it's all technically feasible < 1292376307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: migrating processes w/ the patched libc for keeping FDs it'd require would be the hardest part, really < 1292376308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and the file system, this is shared in the "cluster"? < 1292376310 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292376316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, it's Xen-esque < 1292376323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every process gets its own root filesystem < 1292376330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course you could share them, by setting it up manually, I suppose) < 1292376344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so how do you properly migrate that. The fd-proxy would work fine for, say, sockets < 1292376352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but not so great if you try to mmap() files < 1292376369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well it'd pretty much re-mmap() them on the other side < 1292376385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you ensure proper mmap() semantics between threads and forks? < 1292376387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it'll either have to be non-Linux-based at the migration level, or use some kind of kernel patch to be able to freeze and restore processes, I'll have to see about it < 1292376395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely that you'll have to specifically enable migrating to another server < 1292376395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm thinking "database server" here < 1292376401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: let's see if i can! < 1292376407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, fine, your DB server isn't migratable < 1292376416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get shitty performance if the server gets bogged down, but what can you do? you suffer that with VPSes anyway < 1292376421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the performance of my solution is always >=VPS < 1292376427 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there is linux kernel support for freezing processes < 1292376429 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1292376431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, this is all based on the observation that VPSes generally run a bunch of services, but they rarely *interact* directly with each other < 1292376438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's much easier to be able to manage them separately < 1292376456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the cost of entry is way too high; setting up an IRC bot involves scp, shelling in, probably setting up a screen instance if it has a useful stdio interface < 1292376456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1292376462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to just saying "here, run this somewhere on the interwebs" < 1292376470 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you need to ensure proper handling of shared memory between a db server and something using it < 1292376472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marketing strategy: can't you guess?! Cloud! Run your programs from the cloud! < 1292376475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is annoying < 1292376476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total cloud virtualised environment cloud! < 1292376491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, SQL servers are often used over sockets :-P < 1292376495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually, even < 1292376511 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes true, but they are over shm if local often < 1292376529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah, true ... I mean there'd be no limit to how "big" a task can be really < 1292376536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's the sum of your resource usage that's considered < 1292376540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rigjt < 1292376542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right* < 1292376557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd certainly be a technically interesting project to work on < 1292376567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only problem is that it needs a bunch of dedicated servers to get started :) < 1292376623 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, resources I don't have < 1292376633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: buy them! < 1292376658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, but the resource I lack here is money < 1292376671 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1292376673 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do like xkcd suggested and report it to the idea agency or whatever it was when someone else implement this. ;P < 1292376677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's okay, you can have 50% of the profits!!!!!!!! < 1292376681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm an IDEA MAN < 1292376693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halliburton is offering to pay Nigeria $250 million to drop *bribery* charges against Cheney. < 1292376709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are bribing someone to get away with bribery. < 1292376720 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Halliburton? < 1292376730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also, are they doing that in the open? < 1292376738 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a bribe then technically < 1292376758 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They do oil. < 1292376764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Also, no, not in the open. < 1292376800 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've also been a major military construction contractor. < 1292376820 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dick Cheney was their CEO. < 1292376826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like cheney the dick LOL < 1292376891 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I praise you, O great elliott. < 1292376937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He most certainly is a dick. < 1292376939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: thank you. so why did you want that program < 1292376974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1292376974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include < 1292376975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :int main(){printf("3.");for(long double n=1,r,l=0;n<1000000;n++){printf("%x",(int)floorl(16*(l=(modfl((16*l)+(((120*n-89)*n+16)/((((512*n-1024)*n+712)*n-206)*n+21)),&r)))));}puts("");} < 1292376979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't flush output after every digit, but is smaller < 1292376983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(220 chars) < 1292376987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone feel like golfing it? pikhq? :P < 1292376999 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1292377164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Meh. < 1292377189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: but it's 1 million hex digits of pi! < 1292377198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, there might be an overflow in there :) < 1292377225 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like I said, no good reason. < 1292377270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: C'mon, I need to feel good about having written it :P < 1292377274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it was utterly pointless. < 1292377431 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*facepalm*... < 1292377449 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gawker stored passwords. But only the first 8 characters. < 1292377454 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They actually truncated passwords. < 1292377456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's because of DES. < 1292377497 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... < 1292377508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, did they use *1 block* of DES? < 1292377534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH FAIL. < 1292377549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Abcdefgh, Joy of Man's DESiring. < 1292377556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(worst pun ever) < 1292377957 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's amazing how you're able to write working C code at your age. < 1292377996 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You clearly understand computing better than the vast majority of people in the world. < 1292378050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes. Also, I am god. < 1292378057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, I invented sandwiches. < 1292378095 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which kind? < 1292378110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: ALL KINDS < 1292378198 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a language construct, which theoretically can do everything in existence. does anyone care? < 1292378221 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1292378253 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: there are lots of those drifting around. :) But sure, what is it? < 1292378285 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'd imagine many of us could write working C code at elliott's age. < 1292378285 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick description: "fixed-point ambiguous lazy definition" < 1292378302 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, then, we're people sitting in a channel *all about* programming. Sooo. :) < 1292378305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have a language construct, which theoretically can do everything in existence. does anyone care? < 1292378307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do too. < 1292378309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called lambda. < 1292378318 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is more powerful. < 1292378326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: ...no, no it's not. < 1292378330 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can do types < 1292378332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's uncomputable. < 1292378334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case sure. < 1292378343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, your construct is not more powerful than lambda. by definition. < 1292378357 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be easier to use than lambda. < 1292378369 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Lambda is Turing-complete. Therefore your construct is not more powerful than lambda. QVOD ERAT DEMONSTRANDVM < 1292378377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qvod. < 1292378385 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it's computable, lambda calculus can compute it. < 1292378389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: That's very subjective and arguable, still. < 1292378393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find lambda pretty easy. :p < 1292378394 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: theoretically, its value is undecidable in some cases. < 1292378405 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/its/my construct's/ < 1292378414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: lambda too :P < 1292378426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x. _|_) \equiv _|_ < 1292378467 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ignore you and give examples < 1292378469 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: okay, then maybe it is more powerful than lambda. < 1292378479 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring elliott is often a good plan. :P < 1292378483 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = 2 -- simple definition < 1292378491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I'm right, though. < 1292378494 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = 1; b = a -- simple assignment < 1292378501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: const _|_ = _|_ < 1292378519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: ok so that's two constructs (definition and assignment) already < 1292378550 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, just examples. the type is [(LHS,RHS)] < 1292378562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well. < 1292378566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :show something more interesting? :-P < 1292378619 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = 1 : a -- infinite data structure < 1292378648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so right now it's haskell :P < 1292378657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is : not part of the control structure? < 1292378666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. is that "a = f x a" for arbitrary function f and value x? < 1292378687 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, (:) is just an operator < 1292378704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: is it part of the construct? < 1292378705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not? < 1292378708 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = 0 + a -- a is all numbers < 1292378731 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all elements of rings, to be precise) < 1292378738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: erm, "a = 0 + a" -- a is 0 < 1292378742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you mean 1 + a? < 1292378748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are : and + part of the construct? < 1292378763 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they're just operators. < 1292378770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well. < 1292378775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more examples? show some actual computation < 1292378777 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the construct finds the fixed points < 1292378790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: btw, this thing is not more powerful than lambda because it /depends/ on lambda or something equally powerful < 1292378793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, it depends on functions < 1292378886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: am i being too nitpicky :) < 1292378898 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it does simultaneous equation solving too: a = b^2 + 1; b = a - 1 -- a is {-2,-1}, b is {-3,-2} < 1292378924 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I have that wrong < 1292378926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ... do you have any actual implementation strategy for this? :) < 1292378941 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. but I have lots of special cases. < 1292378952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: so it's not really a construct so much as a heap of special cases :) < 1292379005 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I can describe it simply: fixed-points of the given equations < 1292379021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: ok, but it's not really much of a construct if it doesn't have an implementation that isn't a heap of special cases < 1292379049 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... it's too powerful to have one implementation that works all the time < 1292379070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we have different definitions of power < 1292379081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, it'll fit right in to mathematica :P < 1292379114 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the main point: integrate math and programming so well you don't notice the difference < 1292379155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: have you ever used mathematica? < 1292379158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll love it. < 1292379163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least until you realise how hateful it is. < 1292379180 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = 1 + a -- various types of infinity (-infinity and infinity for reals, set {0,1,2,3} for Z_4, etc.) < 1292379192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-infinity and infinity aren't reals < 1292379211 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, reals extended to limits < 1292379232 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292379270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant floating http://imgur.com/5fLbZ.png < 1292379286 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION used mathematica until he met Stephan Wolfram
< 1292379293 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 < 1292379305 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not met him < 1292379308 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he seems errrrgh < 1292379356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's funny :) < 1292379388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my brilliant mind was correct! it's universal! i'm a genius! a genius! i tell you! p.s. thanks to ais523 who helped fellate my ego by proving it but who cares about that" < 1292379485 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: I'd like to see a formal definition of this construct. < 1292379514 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of constructs, I've been pondering languages that are based as much as possible on a single thing. < 1292379532 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a language where the only thing there is is the associative array, or the semaphore. < 1292379542 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the continuation. < 1292379573 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: {variable assignments s.t. all equalities are satisfies} < 1292379589 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/s}/d}/ < 1292379611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: ok, so it's... an equation! < 1292379633 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, I guess the key is in which types of values you have < 1292379648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1292379685 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the variables can be assigned *sets* of values < 1292379704 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a = {1,2,3,4,...} is a legitimate result < 1292379704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: ok... so it's an equation. some equations have multiple solutions. < 1292379714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... a rather old mathematical result, one would think < 1292379718 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it has more solutions < 1292379724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: more solutions than what < 1292379730 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: so it's a function that takes a set of equations, and returns the set of all values that satisfy the equations? < 1292379793 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: than normal equation solving. e.g. a = !a has solution {True,False} < 1292379797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c = root(n, a^n + b^n), n = 3+x < 1292379802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yeah! < 1292379814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: but True = !True isn't true at all < 1292379817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and False = !False isn't true, either < 1292379820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's a meaningless result < 1292379829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't think you can define results like that even *slightly* in the general case < 1292379847 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but !{True,False}={!True,!False} = {False,True} = {True,False} < 1292379864 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's weirdly powerful < 1292379883 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it will *always* assign values < 1292379886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: ok, but you can define that with normal equations too, more or less. < 1292379898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, solving "a = !a" over sets of booleans < 1292379900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get that result < 1292379912 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: if so, then what constants and operators are allowed in the equations, and what values are considered to be possible solutions? < 1292379917 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... that was what I was saying < 1292379959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: so it's an equation. :P < 1292379968 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's defined on general functions, so you can really extend it to any domain < 1292379984 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it always has solutions, which is not a property of most things < 1292379993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: c = root(n, a^n + b^n), n = 3+x < 1292379995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: what's the solution? < 1292380015 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: an equation set dependent on x < 1292380018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the function that takes a set of equations and returns a set of bindings that satisfy those equations is... mathematics in a function < 1292380024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica already has your heap of special cases < 1292380026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called Solve < 1292380040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: erm you /do/ realise it has no solutions, right? < 1292380043 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fermat < 1292380051 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: well, if you say "all functions are allowed", then it simply inherits the power of all the functions that you can stick into it. < 1292380065 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292380074 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: right... so it's definitely at least as powerful as lambda < 1292380089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: that's misleading. < 1292380095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't "at least as powerful as"; it's all-powerful. < 1292380099 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no solutions over integers, maybe. but I can construct lots of others < 1292380100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can solve any theorem. < 1292380109 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably :p < 1292380120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: c = root(n, a^n + b^n), n = 3+x, a = floor(a), b = floor(b), n = floor(b) < 1292380125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Go on, gimme a solution. < 1292380143 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: what you have is a bit like HQ9+B. It's a Turing-complete programming language with five instructions: H, Q, 9, +, and B. < 1292380144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it isn't "at least as powerful as" for another reason: it doesn't replace lambda, it depends on it -- it depends on functions to work. < 1292380148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it isn't really a control structure at all. < 1292380155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What does B stand for? :-P < 1292380162 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: but the instruction B simply executes the remainder of the program as Brainfuck, and that's where all the power lies. < 1292380173 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: everything set to infinity < 1292380180 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1292380205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: c = root(n, a^n + b^n), n = 3+x, a = floor(a), b = floor(b), n = floor(b), a+1 != a, b+1 != b, n+1 != b < 1292380212 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: your construct allows arbitrary things from set theory to be included. But set theory is already Turing-complete and more. < 1292380216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably you allow !=, since it's all-powerful /anyway/ you might as well make it even more fun. < 1292380244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: What /is/ the computational class of a machine that can work out every solution to a given equation, or tell you if there are none, anyway? < 1292380245 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: you could just say "x = the result of running the following Brainfuck program: ..." < 1292380253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apart from "the highest computational class even theoretically possible". < 1292380266 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: essentially, this takes questions in set theory and answers them. < 1292380278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes, yes, I'm just asking a side-question. < 1292380281 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... is a pretty high computational class. :P < 1292380284 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about weather systems? < 1292380285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Is the computational class of a machine that can do that even /named/? < 1292380287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty insane :P < 1292380296 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I wonder how well-defined it is. < 1292380304 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: don't forget: it gives multiple answers too < 1292380324 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's *ambiguous*, so it's always well-defined < 1292380333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think it's well-defined but *almost certainly* not physically possible :P < 1292380359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I mean, you can verify any theorem in O(1) time (well, if the machine can do it in O(1)). < 1292380366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More importantly: You can verify any theorem haltingly. < 1292380371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any theorem! Any! < 1292380378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, any expressable in ZFC or whatever. < 1292380381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is an awful lot. < 1292380475 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right, it can "do" the halting problem, by giving {true,false} as well as true and false < 1292380489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: that... < 1292380494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: no, you can't do that. < 1292380501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make sense even in the framework of your definition < 1292380536 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know anything about weather systems that you can make some weather in a computer game and that the captain can sometimes predict the weather from it? < 1292380626 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, I'm missing the inconsistency < 1292380671 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: can it always return {true,false}, or only sometimes? < 1292380673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: {True,False} = Halts(P,P) < 1292380678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes no real sense, at all < 1292380882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1292380915 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know anything about weather in here at all? < 1292381231 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know which channel and on which network can help? < 1292381439 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: only when the input depends on the output. it returns the *least* fixed point. < 1292381451 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the empty set < 1292381570 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I detect a distinct silence due to lack of elliott < 1292383447 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" !!!" < 1292385165 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292385336 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1292386080 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1292387758 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :🍱 have a Unicode BENTO BOX < 1292387988 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I do not have that font < 1292387997 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No one does :P < 1292388009 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Unicode 6, only been out for a month and a half. < 1292388044 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I believe you. < 1292388053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yûnikotò hènntô? sukề! < 1292388054 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1292388060 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually a bento box? < 1292388061 0 :myndzi\!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :myndzi < 1292388072 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you just joking, because it's a box (no character) < 1292388083 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: 🏩 maybe you would like to enjoy the delicious 🍱 Unicode BENTO BOX in a Unicode LOVE HOTEL < 1292388090 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1292388118 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... They *actually put* LOVE HOTEL in‽ < 1292388154 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 👅 I am sticking my Unicode TONGUE out at your lack of faith in Unicode! < 1292388157 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he must certainly be joking < 1292388172 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless maybe we are talking about kanji, but that was not the impression i got < 1292388210 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many things I do not like about unicode. One is that you need a lot of unicode tables to parse properly which are wide and text direction and various other properties. < 1292388211 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/block/miscellaneous_symbols_and_pictographs/list.htm < 1292388218 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently love hotel is only hiragana < 1292388230 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mycroftiv: Uh, katakana. < 1292388239 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1292388243 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there really is?! < 1292388245 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1292388249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely "rabu hoteru" should be katakana. < 1292388268 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i don't know < 1292388273 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: There really, truly is :P < 1292388276 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I believe it probably should be too. Is that a term in Japanese that means something? < 1292388280 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know if it should be katakana or not < 1292388292 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since i've only heard the term in anime i thought it was native < 1292388306 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I found out what it means on Wikipedia < 1292388308 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is obvious that this is katakana, but i didn't bother to consider it < 1292388318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's a hotel that exists for the sake of people having sex. < 1292388331 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :????? < 1292388334 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a Japanese word though. It is based on two English words. < 1292388338 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why so display only mirc < 1292388339 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ラブホテル < 1292388346 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess so, but whatever < 1292388355 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Japanese words are a compound word based on an English word together with a Japanese word. < 1292388373 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, wasei eigo (Japanese-made English) is not that rare. < 1292388383 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bridge at night < 1292388384 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1292388396 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it sometimes gets put back into English! < 1292388399 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm UNICODE - PILE - OF - POO < 1292388401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. karaoke, anime) < 1292388411 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, that doesn't even make a good symbol because it's inverted < 1292388418 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA < 1292388428 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Pokémon. < 1292388433 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes it does come back into English too sometimes! < 1292388437 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o rly < 1292388443 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what english word is pokemon based on < 1292388447 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, karaoke, anime, and pokemon are all words that partially or fully in English < 1292388451 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Pocket Monsters < 1292388467 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pocket monsters" → "poketto monsutāzu" → "pokemon" < 1292388488 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I don't think there is a "zu" in it. < 1292388514 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ah, sure enough, they never put that syllable in. < 1292388519 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the words like karaoke,anime,pokemon are in Japanese, and then are used also in English. < 1292388554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Karaoke, BTW, is from "kara" (empty) and "orchestra". < 1292388560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ON WITH EXCLAMATION MARK WITH LEFT RIGHT ARROW ABOVE" huh? < 1292388569 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That is because that syllable does not belong. It is not based on a English thing called "pocket monsters", it is based on the English words "pocket" and "monsters", therefore the "zu" does not belong. < 1292388571 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "anime" is fairly obviously a shortening of "animation". < 1292388583 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I know where the words "karaoke" and "anime" are from. < 1292388585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sure it does. "Monsters" is not pronounced "Monster". < 1292388591 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1292388598 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode SILHOUETTE OF JAPAN < 1292388599 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, but who else does here? < 1292388600 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yes. < 1292388603 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No it doesn't. They don't use plural in Japanese. < 1292388610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: English does. < 1292388622 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a bunch of japanese stuff in there, why isn't there a silhouette of micronesia? < 1292388633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: And they *usually* follow English pluralisation patterns for English words. < 1292388645 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: They encoded emoji. < 1292388673 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : WHITE LEFT POINTING BACKHAND INDEX < 1292388675 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT NO BLACK HAND < 1292388677 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was coming from a English phrase called "pocket monsters", then it would have the "zu" in the end. But it is not based on a phrase, it is based on the two words individually. < 1292388678 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RACIST ASSHOLES < 1292388706 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I can confirm that it was marketed as "Pocket Monsters" in Japan. < 1292388708 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How can you know? Are you Japanese?? < 1292388724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, but I've played the game in Japanese! < 1292388777 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes it was marketed as "Pocket Monsters" but that is because they turned it into Japanese and then into English words. Such combined abbreviated words like "pokemon" and "daburii" is common in Japanese. < 1292388794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: Anyways. These are all from the emoticon/pictograph set on various Japanese cell carriers. < 1292388815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: The Japanocentric nature of that should be clear. :) < 1292388852 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played some Japanese games too, I am not Japanese either. I also read Japanese manga book, too. < 1292388868 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates fonts
< 1292388876 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I buy unicodelovehotelforyou.com or unicodelovehotelforus.com? < 1292388876 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :日本語で? < 1292388896 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It depends. < 1292388910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Clearly we should all just read bits. < 1292388928 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no, we read pixel pattern < 1292388930 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1292388936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby solving a wide variety of i18n issues. < 1292388940 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Now* can you understand why there is no "zu" in "poketto monsutaa"? It is clear to me. Why don't you understand? < 1292388969 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: we read code, not language < 1292388972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Because it's a transcription of an English phrase. < 1292388985 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: everyone knows C++, right? < 1292388999 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No it isn't. It is a transcription of two English words. It was then later translated into an English phrase. < 1292389011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That said, Japanese transcription of English phrases can be completely and utterly *bizarre* sometimes, so whatever. < 1292389036 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, anybody? Real opinions? Should I buy unicodelovehotelforyou.com or unicodelovehotelforus.com? < 1292389039 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moræ make things weird. < 1292389058 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: I know C, I don't know much of C++. < 1292389066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Nobody knows C++. < 1292389086 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok, but surely everyone knows English... < 1292389090 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, some people program in C++, I think Microsoft does. < 1292389110 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They program a small subset of C++. < 1292389121 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Not everyone knows English either, and some concepts are difficult to mean in English. < 1292389125 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knowledge of the whole will ruin your mind forever. < 1292389135 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why mathematics is used, is one thing. < 1292389152 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok, everyone knows mathematics... < 1292389188 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, no. < 1292389196 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Not everyone knows mathematics either, but it is commonly known by mathematicians and so on in anywhere, and can specify things less ambiguous. Of course, it only specifies mathematical things! < 1292389259 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell me, what you can understand from the following English phrase: charities for poor people and monsters with names starting with "A" < 1292389268 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it ambiguous? < 1292389388 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes... ambiguous languages are the best kind < 1292389421 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematics is ambiguous, out of context < 1292389482 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: Yes, out of context you cannot know what is the purpose of a mathematical formula, but that is because there is no information, not because there is multiple ways to interpret it. < 1292389491 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even if there is multiple ways to interpret it) < 1292389579 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing with English; you can find out < 1292389674 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can find out. Sometimes. < 1292389726 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly in math; and if you don't understand, you ask < 1292389943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1292389996 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1292391045 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1292393355 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Help! I cannot eat my own brain! < 1292395050 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1292398414 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-173-239-57.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292399999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1292400000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1292400398 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292400544 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :ETARTNI'HC IOV AZNAREPS ENGO ETAICSAL | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1292401214 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292401434 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292401676 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f499/index.htm Unicode is not for color blinds either. (also see U+1F49A..1F49C) < 1292401997 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also green book/blue book/orange book (1f47[d-f]). < 1292402009 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, 1f4d[7-9] instead. < 1292402022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apparently have early-onset dysxelia. < 1292402126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole block is so random. Silhouette of Japan? Orange/blue diamonds, but red/blue circles and red triangles? < 1292402224 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because the entire pictograms added in Unicode 6.0 are originated from Emojis, which are inherently random < 1292402855 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1292405035 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: To koan or not to koan. This is the koan (not the previous sentence). < 1292405500 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1292406908 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: *disappears in a puff of orange smoke* < 1292407729 0 :Guest48752!~butt@ANantes-259-1-130-244.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1292411397 0 :Guest48752!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Slereah < 1292412557 0 :MigoMipo!~John@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292413317 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1292413332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: figured out how to merge fonts yet? :P < 1292413525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, FontForge truly does have a uniquely bad interface. < 1292413675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't even try. It is pretty special. < 1292413778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, I've merged the two fonts ... ... HOW THE HELL DO YOU RENAME A FONT?!?!?! < 1292413789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Thankfully merging was a direct menu item.) < 1292413801 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you just start a new font and copy all the characters there. < 1292413809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Like every other operation in the known universe other than useful ones.) < 1292413819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, you open the base font and merge it with the font-you-like. < 1292413823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now how do you rename a font. :p < 1292413828 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean, for renaming. < 1292413832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1292413841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to hope that's not the case and keep trying :P < 1292413851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha. < 1292413852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably not a good idea, no. < 1292413889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Droid-DejaVu Sans Mono"; I am the creative. < 1292413930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Validating... Your font contains ERRORS! NYAH! < 1292413989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA. < 1292413994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears to be very DejaVu. < 1292414053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What GUI toolkit *is* this? < 1292414098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptitude show fontforge → Tags: implemented-in::c, interface::x11, role::program, scope::application, uitoolkit::xlib, use::editing, works-with::font, x11::application < 1292414130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So, wait... if it uses Xlib directly, somebody actually *programmed* the buttons to have such frickin' gigantic borders? < 1292414148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this person still walk the streets of polite society? < 1292414162 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. think so. The dependencies don't seem to have anything relevant, at least. < 1292414329 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292414360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If we act calmly and rationally, we can save humanity before it is too late. < 1292414420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joy, the merged-the-other-way one still uses the DejaVu glyphs. I think it literally duplicates glyphs rather than selecting one, or something. < 1292414657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: " < 1292414657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third approach was in fact the one I tried first, using Merge Fonts. < 1292414657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed all the non-Khmer characters from KhmerOS Freehand except space, zero-width space, zero-width joiner and zero-width non-joiner (U+200B, 200C, 200D). Then I attempted the merge. The system crashed both times I tried it." < 1292414666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, it's stable too!!!! < 1292414714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It... has search and replace. < 1292414716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On splines. < 1292414717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1292414723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1292414764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it has a scrollbar. < 1292414777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, oh yeah, have fun scrolling through Unicode, pal! < 1292414798 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think FontForge was involved when I truetypified the rfk86 font for web-use, but somehow my mind has completely blanked off any details. < 1292414896 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1292414907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think mine is valiantly attempting to do so now. < 1292414924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get a searing migraine too? < 1292414937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOOOOO IT WORKS < 1292414944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what have I been doing for the past fifteen minutes? < 1292414947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember anything. < 1292414988 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. I wrote a Perl script to generate a SVG font, and then somehow it has turned into .ttf, but I don't know how. < 1292414993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is done in the manner proposed by W.W. Sawyer in his < 1292414993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vision in Elementary Mathematics (Penguin Books, 1964). In < 1292414993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :particular, his method avoids clothing the simple ideas of < 1292414993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addition and multiplication in the much more complex ideas < 1292414993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inherent in the decimal system. < 1292414994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--J < 1292415003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Probably pixies. < 1292415129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I have a proper J environment with a nice font and looking-enough-like-GTK-that-you-can't-tell-it's-Java-until-you-try-and-use-it. < 1292415266 0 :yiyus_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292415593 0 :iamcal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1292415977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I wish ais523 knew how confusing his patch format is. < 1292416027 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292416655 0 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1292417841 0 :MigoMipo!~John@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292417849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So when do we get X-Ray-O-Vision. :p < 1292417854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Clearly bugging you will help!) < 1292417894 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll put it somewhere as a communal christmas present. < 1292417910 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except that I'm pretty sure the beta update will break it on the 20th.) < 1292418060 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The protocol doesn't have any sort of overall format, so it needs to know all the packet IDs that go through the pipe in order to be able to determine the packet length, to know where the next packet will start.) < 1292418153 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't sound like good protocol design... < 1292418171 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but I wasn't expecting it to be. < 1292418220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can I bribe you for early access? :p < 1292418500 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1292418560 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm very bribable. But maybe I'll get a... uh, what's two steps before an alpha version? ... out tomorrow or so; I just need to add markers for other players, keys to look at other z-levels than the player's own in cross-section mode, surface/cross-section mode toggling with something else than a recompile, and handling of those "user removed/placed a block" packets since currently it doesn't actually update the map when you dig. < 1292418575 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except if you place a torch, because the changing light-values will make the server send out a chunk update.) < 1292418671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Aw, but /I/ was looking forward to the low-hanging-fruit-with-large-gratification task of adding keys to look at other z-levels. :p < 1292419644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly what fizzie really needs to release his code early is a version control system to store it in. I wonder if he would like my 36-line file of scapegoat patch theory! < 1292419649 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO TEMPTING < 1292419805 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1292420310 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1292420345 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1292420472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 j < 1292420477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!y = */>:i.y < 1292420494 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292420494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial y = multiply over increment integers y < 1292420655 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = @(y) prod(1:y) < 1292420690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pssht. < 1292420723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Product of the sums of M lists of N random integers from 0 to X. < 1292420726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go go go. < 1292420743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (You can just put "M", "N" and "X" there, rather than making them actual parameters.) < 1292420759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and that's 0 <= random < X. < 1292420785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: My entry: */+/?M N$X < 1292420788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prod(sum(randi(X, N, M))) < 1292420797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WHOOPS LOOK AT THAT YOURS IS LONGER < 1292420801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And more nested too! < 1292420803 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How surprising. < 1292420859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Random positive 32-bit integer calculated by setting every bit to 0 or 1 with probability 1/2. < 1292420880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#.?32$2 < 1292420926 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just random integer in the [0, 2^32-1] range. < 1292420936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, it is, but it's the implementation details that matter. < 1292420954 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's going to be long and ugly if you want it like that, but just a moment. < 1292420970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You don't think I'm /aiming/ for long, ugly and unreadable code on your part? :-P < 1292421015 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum((randi(2, 1, 32)-1) .* 2.^(0:31)) < 1292421033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wow, that is truly awful. < 1292421053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUESS J IS THE PERFECT LANGUAGE HUH < 1292421068 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a 1x32 matrix of random bits, element-wise multiplied by [2^0 2^1 .. 2^31] and then sum'd. < 1292421083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd challenge you to implement a finite state machine... but, uh: [[ < 1292421083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x;:y implements a sequential machine (finite state machine, finite state automaton). x is the specification of a machine, including the state transition table, and y is the input. A sequential machine solves the problem of recognizing the “words” in the input. The machine starts in some initial state and processes the input one item at a time; given the current state and input item, the new state and output are determined by the state transit < 1292421084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion table. The machine then proceeds to process the next input item.]] < 1292421088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I would win that one. :p < 1292421164 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's a FSM toolbox, but, well, it's going to be longer than that; just the function-call parens take two chars. < 1292421193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: To be fair, x /is/ a rather ugly boxed thing: "y is any array and x=.f;s;m;ijrd is a boxed list from which ijrd or both m and ijrd may be elided." < 1292421200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would be shorter anyway. :p < 1292421210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now: A fully-functional Minecraft server! < 1292421216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling out to C is permitted as long as you provide the C source. < 1292421444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATLAB's forte is the existing stuff. Let's see your J implementation of training a feed-forward neural network with Levenberg-Marquardt backpropagation; in MATLAB it's train(net,data). < 1292421602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: M-CPM-=M-tlM- < 1292421606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Two characters shorter, I believe. < 1292421670 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure if I should trust you there. < 1292421705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: M-CPM is the module name (they're named sequentially, alphabetically; not much logic to that, immediately). < 1292421713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: I'm full of shit; it's cat -v /dev/urandom output. < 1292421743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But admit it... for a second you felt the pangs of using an inferior language. < 1292421893 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292421898 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, though in an incident completely unrelated to this one. (I was trying to pick a random sample from a nonparametric discrete distribution which I had the PDF -- well, non-normalized, but anyway -- for, and the only single-line MATLAB solution I could figure out was pretty crappy.) < 1292421945 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[~, t] = histc(rand(), [0 cumsum(d)]/sum(d)); -- to do "t = 1 .. length(d) randomly, with the probability of getting i proportional to d(i)". < 1292421971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's probably really short in J, but I'm too lazy and inexperienced to work it out. < 1292422006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches Deewiant's loop-booster make a round.
< 1292422010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, it looks so silly when it turns. < 1292422014 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292422016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you got any iron I can borrow in MC? < 1292422017 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The statistics toolbox has a random() function that takes a PDF, but it doesn't take matrices; it just takes "ProbDist" class objects, and the only ones I could figure out to create were either out of ~30 families of parametric distributions, or a non-parametric kernel-smoothing-fit-to-data thing. < 1292422044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure why you'd store data in PDFs. ARF ARF ARF < 1292422047 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in my safe place, and not too much. How much would you need? < 1292422057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Enough for about... two Minecart tracks? < 1292422076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, just as a unit of measurement. < 1292422092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I can pay it back, next time I go to Mount Hoover. < 1292422110 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, what, 12 ingots? I guess I could donate that much, but I'm not sure when I'll have time to visit the World. < 1292422117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12? Is it? Yow. < 1292422131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They look so flimsy. < 1292422143 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's |-| where the ||s are iron and - is a stick or a plank, either-or. < 1292422147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I have 4 ores on me, but no smelty. < 1292422157 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is "either-or" in the "can't remember which" sense, not in the "anything goes" sense. < 1292422178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh; increasing the height of the default window size just slightly makes the inventory and chat 1:1 pixels. < 1292422185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the crafting grid tiny. < 1292422196 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well (Orwell); that is the recipe, but you do get 16 tracks out of it. < 1292422211 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just can't get them in smaller increments. < 1292422224 0 :MigoMipo!~John@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292422246 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292422352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't quite figured out the UI sizing logic. I use the 960x1200 window for playing, and the UI elements are reasonably sized; but if I open a full-screen window, they are annoyingly huge and space-wasting. I guess it scales (or at least tries to) aspect-ratio-preserving. < 1292422374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can Matlab's interpret-this-list-of-integers-as-digits-in-base-N function accepts arguments LARGER than the base??? < 1292422378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 #. 1 2 3 < 1292422378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :123 < 1292422378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 #. 1 2 11 < 1292422378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :131 < 1292422387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And equ < 1292422390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*equal to, for that matter. < 1292422432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1A34Z_10 = 20365 < 1292422435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_10 < 1292422437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is < 1292422452 0 :MigoMipo_!~John@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292422455 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wellll, yes, in the sense that it doesn't have a "interpret this list of integers as digits in base-N" function, and if you do it the way I did that rand32, it's just a sum-multiply-powers-of-N thing, and there it of course will. < 1292422503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> sum([1 2 11] .* 10.^(2:-1:0)) < 1292422503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans = < 1292422503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 131 < 1292422536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.3 #. 1 2 3 < 1292422536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.29 < 1292422543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fractional bases, does it do them? Presumably. < 1292422583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What about complex bases? < 1292422584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3j10 #. 1 2 3 < 1292422584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_82j80 < 1292422586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_ is negative) < 1292422622 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1292422651 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, What does 3j10 mean? 3+10*i? < 1292422669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> sum([1 2 3] .* (3+10*j).^(2:-1:0)) < 1292422669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans = < 1292422669 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -82.0000 +80.0000i < 1292422671 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess so. < 1292422684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 3j10 is 3+10i, yes. < 1292422686 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There might be a complex-number literal format, too. < 1292422703 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the * in my expression is superfluous. < 1292422716 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that J I see there? < 1292422744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yup. < 1292422751 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's more J in the logs if you look closely. < 1292422770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The string 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, interpreted in base N!, where N is a random number picked by selecting 8 random bit values and interpreting them in base 2. < 1292422774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And N! is of course N factorial. < 1292422777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (!#.?4$2)#.>:i.10 < 1292422777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2036 < 1292422779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your entry? < 1292422805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is acceptable to say "I don't like you." at this point.) < 1292422924 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the "random bit values in base 2" thing, since it's completely identical to "random integer in the range" value-wise. < 1292422933 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can write that down if you like, assuming it fits in my terminal. < 1292422955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, I'll redo the random bit values in base 2 thing. < 1292422969 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With something more horrible, I guess. < 1292423048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: N = The base-3 interpretation of 2 random numbers in the range [0,1] (at least I think 1 is included; it might not actually be), both multiplied by ten. < 1292423051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still need to do the factorial thing. < 1292423054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (!3#.10*?2$0)#.>:i.10 < 1292423054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.39227e234 < 1292423055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your move. < 1292423079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (The rest of the challenge still applies.) < 1292423149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> sum((1:10) .* prod(1:sum(10*rand(1,2).*[3 1])).^(9:-1:0)) < 1292423149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans = < 1292423149 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.3719e+177 < 1292423173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: rand(1,2) includes 1.5, surely? < 1292423190 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's 1x2 sized matrix of [0, 1) uniform-distributed random numbers. < 1292423199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1292423206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: The string 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10, interpreted in base N!, where N is a random number picked by selecting 8 random bit values and interpreting them in base 2. < 1292423214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does it do /all/ of that? < 1292423219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with the new N definition. < 1292423223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just checking. < 1292423267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. prod(1:...) does "N!", taking that .^(9:-1:0) gives the proper products, that's multiplied elementwise by 1:10 (the list [1 2 3 .. 10]) and then the result is sum'd together. < 1292423304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, that's not bad, not bad. < 1292423312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still not as good as (!3#.10*?2$0)#.>:i.10, of course. < 1292423328 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the "base 3 interpretation of two numbers times ten" a bit cheatingly, though, with that manual [3 1] multiplication, but... as I said, there's no real "interpret in base-N" built-in. (Unless there is.) < 1292423329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That 2$0 is probably clearer as 0 0. < 1292423351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'd randomise the number of digits but I'm not that cruel and it'd overflow J's integer. < 1292423390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s. < 1292423392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably.) < 1292423404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, so it's not an integer. < 1292423469 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using a separate function for base-n "decoding" would simplify the MATLAB version a lot. < 1292423471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> bn = @(b,d) sum(d .* b.^(length(d)-1:-1:0)); < 1292423471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> bn(prod(1:bn(3, 10*rand(1,2))), 1:10) < 1292423471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ans = < 1292423471 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6.5004e+291 < 1292423482 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe "a lot" is a bit too much to say. < 1292423502 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, elliott, I find http://www.jsoftware.com/help/dictionary/vocabul.htm to be a great reference for J < 1292423520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yeah, you can get that by hitting F1 inside J. < 1292423525 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1292423529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very useful < 1292423537 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually use the command-line frontend < 1292423544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Why would you do that :) < 1292423545 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a built-in factorial, but it takes more characters; prod(1:N) vs. factorial(N). < 1292423545 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1292423551 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terminal-based one, that is < 1292423553 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1292423565 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, so the GUI one is Java. It is nice though.) < 1292423671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, making Minecraft texture packs looks like a pain. < 1292423678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want to see what 1x1 textures look like.) < 1292423847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, it looks like it's all in one file. < 1292424276 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta hand it to matlab on the readability here. ...not that line noise isn't fun too. < 1292424446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnaa, horrible dumbing-down of text: http://www.shopexplorer.com/news/squarehead-audioscope-zoom-in-on-sound.html -- "Once a subject has been selected, the required microphone picks up the audio by amplifying the source, while the other mics are turned down." That's so not how it works; all sensible beamforming systems use the whole set of microphones and the known-from-geometry delays, not just "hay we have a directional microphone pointing at the source, let' < 1292424446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s turn that on". < 1292424468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's worse, it's like they've taken the description directly from the company page, except then removed the parts they didn't understand. < 1292424507 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AudioScope is based on the same principle as sonar. A dish with an array of microphones can locate and record sound anywhere in a large room. A speaker's voice in an auditorium is picked up by all the microphones on the dish. Depending on the position of each microphone, the sound will reach them at a slightly different time. We use this to our advantage." → "It works in a similar way to sonar; a central dish houses a number of microphones within it that poi < 1292424508 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nt in slightly different directions and a camera is used to view the source area. Once a subject has been selected, the required microphone picks up the audio by amplifying the source, while the other mics are turned down." < 1292424552 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd like to hear that in action, incidentally.) < 1292424575 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an electronic implementation of auditory attention! < 1292424595 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do spectral analysis to narrow in on the interesting part of the spectrum too? < 1292424657 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't tell that sort of stuff, of course, since it's a commercial product. < 1292424680 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see a robot that is capable of the cocktail party effect, capable of integrating visual cues such as a speaker's mouth moving, with the lingual auditory information < 1292424705 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lingual/linguistic/ < 1292424752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's being done in several places, I think. < 1292424760 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Academically, I mean. < 1292424771 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not aware of any actual product-development projects. < 1292424882 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you don't know who is doing it? < 1292424973 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not offhand. The auditory/visual combination thing was one of the topics in our "learning from multiple sources" course; I've forgotten the name of the robotics EU project that was doing exactly that that a visiting guy from another university talked about; and I just recall seeing rather many references to the whole multimodality thing, it's sort of a buzzword. < 1292424994 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we have the sort-of-invented-here ICA, which is typically mentioned in the cocktail party context. (It's a blind source separation thing, not very directly related.) < 1292425089 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, this interactive film thing is such a great idea. imagine a movie that takes place entirely at a party, in one house, and there are cameras everywhere, and you can interpolate between them using standard vision techniques so as to watch from any angle...and you can track any sound source. < 1292425105 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and EVERY partygoer is involved in some interesting story that unfolds over an hour < 1292425136 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, you could spend days watching that < 1292425151 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could spend quite a long making that, too. :p < 1292425190 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1292425198 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no longer than it takes to make any movie < 1292425219 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you'd just have to actually rig a house with camoflauged cameras and sound-zoom things < 1292425228 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then have the actors rehearse for ages < 1292425241 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally, film the entire thing in one continuous shot < 1292425248 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a stageplay < 1292425262 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the robotics folks were also doing gait recognition. Someone had the audacity to ask them about whether it is, you know, actually useful for something. < 1292425281 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292425298 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a punchline? < 1292425305 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292425340 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say it would be useful in strong AI for threat recognition < 1292425466 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he sort of avoided the question; there was something about how it works from a longer distance than face recognition. < 1292425618 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1292425643 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have (a bit silly) demo-video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjyN7qjkKjU but I'm not promising anything mind-blowing there. < 1292425810 0 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292426126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[“vim doesn’t support interactive buffers? after 20 years? well, I’m a hacker. I’ll just add support for it.” < 1292426126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sees quality of vim codebase, runs frantically in opposite direction < 1292426127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“who needs a console in their editor anyways!!!! I am all about the unix philosophy, etc”]] < 1292426202 0 :nopseudoidea!~nopseudoi@85-168-235-235.rev.numericable.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1292426387 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. I sort-of wanted a nice VIM/Matlab integration, didn't work out all that well. < 1292426407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit computer, I'm only using 1.4 GiB out of 3.7 GiB of RAM I have. < 1292426415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So stop lagging, even if both my cores are being used intensively. < 1292426418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By... uh... Firefox, I guess. < 1292426459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's from “vim doesn’t support interactive buffers? after 20 years? well, I’m a hacker. I’ll just add support for it.” < 1292426460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sees quality of vim codebase, runs frantically in opposite direction < 1292426460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“who needs a console in their editor anyways!!!! I am all about the unix philosophy, etc”. < 1292426460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. < 1292426468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's from “vim doesn’t support interactive buffers? after 20 years? well, I’m a hacker. I’ll just add support for it.” < 1292426468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sees quality of vim codebase, runs frantically in opposite direction < 1292426468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :“who needs a console in their editor anyways!!!! I am all about the unix philosophy, etc” < 1292426470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD DAMMIT FIREFOX < 1292426472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I PRESSED CTRL+C THAT MEANS COPY < 1292426480 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THOU SHALT NOT COPY. < 1292426483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's from http://kevinw.github.com/2010/12/15/this-is-your-brain-on-vim/. < 1292426487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used the menus to cut/paste that, how shameful. < 1292426507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was really expecting it to end with "and then I switch to Emacs", what with the flurry of non-modal modifier key+foo binding. < 1292426520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Y-combinator-browsin'-in-vim, and the vimscript hatred. < 1292426524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no; he's a wimp! < 1292426533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because Vim users are wimps, obviously.) < 1292426547 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A vimp. < 1292426595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tries impressing someone watching over shoulder with a macro, only to mess up and uppercase/rot13 the entire file" < 1292426818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I personally have rot13 bound to C-x x. < 1292426822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that useful. < 1292426876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ashamed to admit I usually just paste into a tr a-z n-za-m. < 1292427091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not ashamed to admit that I basically never use rot13 :P < 1292427145 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever I see gibberish, I rot13 it just in case. < 1292427468 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292427777 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@137.125.188.14 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292427799 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was suffering from IRC deprivation < 1292428058 0 :nopseudoidea!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Quitte < 1292428159 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292428244 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I assumed that topic was elliott being silly as always, but then I saw that zzo set it and I now fear that Cthulhu has awoken. < 1292428292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWAHAHA < 1292428403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm caffenatired < 1292428480 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm terrified of lonliness. Protip: Do not play One Chance. Do not watch walkthroughs of it. Especially if you're me < 1292428497 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim < 1292428576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, assuming you found out about that from qntm? < 1292428582 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes < 1292428595 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a shoddy copy of "Every Day the Same Dream", FWIW. < 1292428617 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the plot's similar, remind me to never play that either < 1292428631 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, the plot is different (and not crap). < 1292428643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the gameplay and several scenes are identical. < 1292428665 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as the final scenes aren't identical < 1292428669 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've shown vim to my windows based friends and they said "what, this is retro man, like uh, does it have any keyboard shortcuts?" < 1292428669 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292428670 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shudders
< 1292428704 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1292428729 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they can't code in visual studio 2008 so they download huuuuuuge visual studio 2010 < 1292428729 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, One Chance's plot is... terrible. Particularly, as pointed out by Hughes, it seems to say "forget saving the world FAMILY FAMILY!!!1111!!" < 1292428777 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, badness of plot doesn't stop me from having nightmares < 1292428951 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw the "good" ending < 1292428955 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still haunts me < 1292428966 0 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292429123 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you still not read Fine Structure? < 1292429132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not the end yet! < 1292429133 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, he's read some of it < 1292429151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are lagging behind Sgeo! < 1292429154 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For shame! < 1292429177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has Sgeo played eversion < 1292429180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, I recommend Sgeo plays eversion < 1292429184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fun 8-bit game about happy things! < 1292429203 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could swear I've seen that name before in connection with another game < 1292429261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's like this: http://zarawesome.googlepages.com/screenie.png < 1292429376 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be like Erfworld -- looks cute, full of death < 1292429450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Did you think that when playing Super Mario Brothers? :P < 1292429466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, think of the GOOMBA HOLOCAUST. < 1292429467 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SugarWiki/Eversion?from=Main.EVERSION this seriously reads like a trick < 1292429475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://zara.verge-rpg.com/eversion173.zip < 1292429478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're so damn sceptical. < 1292429522 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/Eversion uhhh < 1292429562 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it's a lie! A troper lie! < 1292429664 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES < 1292429665 0 :MigoMipo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292429773 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/Eversion < 1292429775 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1292429979 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292430140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523! < 1292430147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I implemented the basic patch logic of Scapegoat in Haskell. < 1292430149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scapegoat < 1292430153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://imgur.com/ymmLk.png < 1292430161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1292430166 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, trying to do something at work here < 1292430176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ok, i'll shut up then :) < 1292430176 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm on far + fancy, no way I'll open browser atm < 1292430180 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually at a friend's house (for the Internet connection), but luckily ssh -X works < 1292430183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wget|feh < 1292430188 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, feh? < 1292430193 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you tell some newspaper or other that you know 6 esolangs? < 1292430207 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1292430218 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, 6 is pathetic, especially as you've *invented* at least 3. < 1292430223 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :6? that seems unlikely < 1292430233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: feh is an image viewer < 1292430239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember making a comment along the lines of "around 20, 30 if you count esolangs" when asked how many languages I knew < 1292430242 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was an estimate < 1292430257 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :POOR JOURNALISM STRIKES AGAIN < 1292430270 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waiting for TreeFrame to appear... 600 seconds left. < 1292430272 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waiting for TreeFrame to appear... 599 seconds left. < 1292430273 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TreeFrame has appeared! < 1292430277 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this application does not fill me with confidence < 1292430302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1292430386 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love estimated completion times. < 1292430403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think the people who write them have no concept of precision. < 1292430442 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, turns out it crashes immediately after you make any change < 1292430450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm having to restart it every time I change anything < 1292430454 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TreeFrame has appeared! sounds like something from a MMORPG. < 1292430470 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Pokemon, surely? < 1292430526 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TreeFrame has evolved to TreeFrameFactory! < 1292430547 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I suspect it's a timeout, not an estimated completion time < 1292430673 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hmm. < 1292430686 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an esolang in this! < 1292431009 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, cgi scripts can't give arbitrary status codes? < 1292431012 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTP status codes? < 1292431041 0 :SaFi2266!~safi@109.205.116.91 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292431118 0 :SaFi2266!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all < 1292431118 0 :SaFi2266!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totally newbie here < 1292431162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi SaFi2266 < 1292431182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I fear I'm doing something insane; I just set up Evolution over ssh -X so I could send emails from work from home < 1292431198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I... < 1292431203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: everyone who invented mail protocls hates you < 1292431208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SaFi2266: hi, this channel is about esoteric programming languages < 1292431209 0 :SaFi2266!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh hello < 1292431210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*protocols < 1292431218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why? < 1292431239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because the whole point of IMAP etc. is to be able to use local programs to access any remote server :) < 1292431243 0 :SaFi2266!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1292431248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SaFi2266: sorry? < 1292431268 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, indeed < 1292431274 0 :SaFi2266!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am discovering the irc I am new < 1292431276 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually using IMAP on the remote server < 1292431284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and yet you forward evolution over X why?! :) < 1292431292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that computer might only have, like, outlook < 1292431294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case okay < 1292431296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can attach files that exist at the other end < 1292431300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1292431302 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It might be a server only visible in the LAN < 1292431308 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think Thunderbird was set up already, but I just typed Evolution out of habit < 1292431319 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's sshfs for that sort of thing. < 1292431455 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And CGI scripts can product many status codes, if not all; you just output a Status: header in front. < 1292431466 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Perl, failing to put quotes around a string you're trying to print should not print the string < 1292431468 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION glares
< 1292431485 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened was it printed out a garbled thing < 1292431503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use something sensible like "use strict; use warnings;". < 1292431523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The strictness will disable "bareword" strings in many places. < 1292431598 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think it will. < 1292431622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, I agree that forwarding a mail client over X pretty much makes no sense < 1292431653 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laziness! < 1292431661 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at least I have two now, Thunderbird doesn't work if you're logged in twice from different workstations < 1292431663 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the server isn't SSL-enabled it can. < 1292431672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, I can't resist; here's an example of the code: < 1292431674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c1 = Insert Start End "Hello, world!" < 1292431674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2 = Insert c1 End "Goodbye, cruel world!" < 1292431674 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c3 = Replace c1 "Ow, my ear." < 1292431681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Data.Maybe> map snd . fromJust $ applyLis [c1,c3] empty < 1292431681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :["","Ow, my ear.",""] < 1292431687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where the first and last strings are Start and End) < 1292431695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and map snd discards blame information) < 1292431703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Data.Maybe> map snd . fromJust $ applyLis [c1,c2,c3] empty < 1292431703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :["","Ow, my ear.","Goodbye, cruel world!",""] < 1292431704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but: < 1292431718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main Data.Maybe> applyLis [c1,c3,c2] empty < 1292431718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing < 1292431726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1292431727 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've done most of the urgent and fast tasks now < 1292431737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how does it handle a merge conflict? < 1292431745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you mean a failing patch? < 1292431747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just returns Nothing :) < 1292431750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :applyLis evaluates in order < 1292431758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a convenience function < 1292431771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't validate that the patches make sense unorderedly < 1292431815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1292432062 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a language with no syntax < 1292432070 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, down? < 1292432074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do < 1292432075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1292432078 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: any of the zerodimensional ones? < 1292432080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: forth < 1292432096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, the apply function is surprisingly neat! < 1292432140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://sprunge.us/gZDO the guards are basically a half-assed excuse for not writing a proper validation function, and the do notation is unnecessary, but it's surprisingly simple < 1292432148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Line is just (Change,String); i.e. (blame,text) < 1292432301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: basically, I think this can work < 1292432542 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292432580 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, i thought about forth < 1292432601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: But you concluded that it has syntax? < 1292432644 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's RPN < 1292432648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Wrong. < 1292432662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: It just so happens that by default, the mathematical words defined happen to act in a manner similar to RPN calculators. < 1292432669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forth itself has no syntax. < 1292432691 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then, with such language i would enable programmers to define syntaxes just like we define functions < 1292432694 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then < 1292432699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Indeed, that is possible in Forth. < 1292432704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words can read from the input stream directly. < 1292432707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a very common technique. < 1292432712 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1292432715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can implement C as a Forth word, even, like this: < 1292432723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run-c int main(void) { return 0; } SPECIAL-END-C-MARKER < 1292432778 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if i'd like to use forh words between run-c and SPECIAL-END-C-MARKER... < 1292432788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Sure, you can implement that as part of run-c. < 1292432810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run-c int main(void) { return HERE-COMES-SOME-FORTH 3 1 2 + - OK-THE-FORTH-IS-OVER-EMBED-THE-TOP-OF-STACK-INTEGER-INTO-THE-PROGRAM; } SPECIAL-END-C-MARKER < 1292432829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: In fact, : -- the word definition word -- is implemented like run-c, except that it uses the existing "read a Forth word" procedure. < 1292432841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It simply reads each word, and executes its immediate version. < 1292432846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is it. < 1292432850 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then terminates on ;. < 1292432869 0 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292433188 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you said you found dungeons. Found any records? < 1292433204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I was blatantly lying. < 1292433207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. :p < 1292433218 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292433218 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so where did you get the TNT? < 1292433224 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that a lie too? < 1292433228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't. >_> < 1292433245 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so you never used any tnt? < 1292433249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1292433255 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1292433275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The time I said I spent dungeoning was, in fact, spent doing nothing at all. < 1292433282 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1292433295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so there goes my plan for public jukebox at subtree < 1292433450 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, when did this become #minecraft? < 1292433550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: since we all bought minecraft < 1292433569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in fairness, the alternatives would be silence, or /other/ off-topic stuff < 1292433613 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or scapegoat? < 1292433626 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember this channel used to have ontopic discussions more often < 1292433629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, offtopic discussions more often < 1292433638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, the minecraft playing has been ... excessiev < 1292433641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*excessive < 1292433926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd make a #scapegoat, except it'd never get any activity ever. < 1292433932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Project-specific IRC channels rarely do. < 1292433947 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1292434083 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, #ubuntu tends to be pretty crowded < 1292434086 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially around releases < 1292434094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ubuntu is a pretty big project :P < 1292434215 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, incidentally, what was your response to my (awesome) naming scheme for Mitosis? < 1292434234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Um, I believe I ignored it. < 1292434245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :( < 1292434817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, down? < 1292434833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BJAODowN < 1292434845 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ? < 1292434848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "Please don't list this on a work's page as a trope. < 1292434849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Examples can go here, on one of this page's subpages, or the work's YMMV tab." < 1292434854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: TV Tropes: Now with YMMV tabs. < 1292435603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what is your opinion on the matter? < 1292435603 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: or something weird like a preprocessor. it creates external files with the code. perhaps in gcc-specific projects, though... < 1292435796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION finds it *incredibly* strange that international telephone calls have additional rates.
< 1292435823 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like sending packets over the Atlantic costs much more than sending packets to the other side of the country. < 1292435840 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what people are charged for something depends not on what it actually costs, but on what people are willing to pay for it < 1292435862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Aaaand people are morons. < 1292435862 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck. < 1292435928 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would like to replace large parts of humanity with rational actors.
< 1292435936 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would make *so much* of economics work better! < 1292436102 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1292436112 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you forgot well-informed < 1292436115 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how would you ensure that that rationality was common knowledge? < 1292436131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Ah, right. That too is important. < 1292436142 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Rationality isn't knowledge, it's a property! < 1292436173 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: nothing will change if your world is full of rational actors that still think everyone else is irrational and uninformed < 1292436177 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: also a functioning justice system < 1292436183 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to make those facts common knowledge to change anything < 1292436223 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Rational, well-informed actor, then. < 1292436225 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means proving to all these people that you have the power to make that change.... < 1292436245 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: A set of rational, well-informed actors would probably be inclined to create such a system. < 1292436246 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@137.125.180.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292436252 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: But, yeah, we could really do with that. < 1292436277 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The problem is the other set of rational, well-informed actors with money < 1292436283 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who don't want a functioning justice system < 1292436287 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they can have more money that way < 1292436288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those, we lynch. < 1292436301 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: once per day, majority vote? < 1292436301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRAISE THE FRENCH REVOLUTION < 1292436417 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1292436433 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION votes elliott as mob
< 1292436446 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's a sneaky bastard. he has to be mafia. < 1292436559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq: The problem is the other set of rational, well-informed actors with money < 1292436559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : who don't want a functioning justice system < 1292436564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: not rational, well-informed, utilitarian actors with money < 1292436570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rational, well-informed, selfish actors, sure < 1292436718 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, down? < 1292436738 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No < 1292436758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes from here < 1292436762 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1292436768 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you and elliott left < 1292436777 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, so maybe it only works from .fi now < 1292436808 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Welho < 1292436813 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm < 1292436813 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1292436853 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, "no route" < 1292436874 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well bbl, will make food < 1292436935 0 :fizzie!fis@iris.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1292437282 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NOT INDICATED FOR CHILDREN OR THOSE OF A NERVOUS DISPOSITION." < 1292437286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/jeoacafpbcihiomhlakheieifhpjdfeo Glee. < 1292437564 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to watch a Let's Play < 1292437574 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's what screwed me over on Monday... < 1292437945 0 :SaFi2266!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1292437975 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, need to conserve battery badly < 1292438957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Nice. < 1292438970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But does it have a Firefox version? :p < 1292439210 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if LAWS_OF_REDDIT is still alive
< 1292439331 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION falls asleep on the chair
< 1292439336 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chair... of DOOM < 1292439344 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, just a chainr < 1292439616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, down? < 1292439621 0 :Ilari!~user@a88-112-50-174.elisa-laajakaista.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1292439625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nwod. < 1292439633 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nwod? < 1292439639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1292439650 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: strrev("dowN") as well as a bit like "nod" < 1292439689 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1292439707 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292439862 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292440453 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I surrender < 1292440461 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to watch a blind LP of Eversion < 1292440469 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the best such LP? < 1292440504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: QuantumCrayons < 1292440516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, it's the one I watched < 1292440531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's hilarious < 1292440540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBKvtQtKf0s < 1292440544 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1292440549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore the suggestions sidebar < 1292440549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1292440552 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes he had headphones with him :/
< 1292440612 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How blind was QC? To the level of not knowing how dark it would get? < 1292440650 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181141048.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292440678 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292440696 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was there a banner saying something in Russian, why did I click it, and how do I get YouTube to not be in Russian? < 1292440726 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to go to comp. lab to get work done < 1292440727 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBL < 1292440729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: He had no idea. < 1292440787 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :D < 1292440789 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds fun < 1292440844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: It's very long -- some 14 parts or something -- because after he did the first ending he repeatedly failed at getting the good ending. < 1292441056 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1292441130 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5141 It's a CNCable transistor. < 1292441837 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JavaScript is usually used to add dynamic behavior to sites, to improve the user experience orthogonally to the actual presentation of information. Pornography sites, contrarily, rarely need such additions, as a user presented with the data will improve the user experience themselves." < 1292442116 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 < 1292443433 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1292443650 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh god < 1292443660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tswett: Do you have the power to summon oerjan? < 1292443663 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not :D < 1292443664 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do your courts suck so much < 1292443665 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/1922205/First-Sale-Doctrine-Lost-Overseas?from=rss < 1292443729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i want you to work out some complex-sounding yet ultimately meaningless mathematics based on scapegoat patches < 1292443743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that topic sort of like the _opposite_ of saying the lord's prayer backwards? < 1292443745 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1292443799 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah. i guess in that case you may have triggered my intrinsic magical defenses against work. no wonder tswett's summoning didn't work. < 1292443815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i've even stated it in haskell for you! < 1292443836 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1292444041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the language you helped father. < 1292444045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by greatly aiding in its development. < 1292444051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i'd say you probably invented half of haskell. < 1292444219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark: 3d3d3d < 1292444224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :light:9b9b9b < 1292444285 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION notes those don't sum to ffffff
< 1292444309 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think some kind of semi-dynamic analysis could be made that can work with TAVSYS to make it check things such as proving the game is always in a winnable state, or that things must be done in a certain sequence in the game, and so on? < 1292444333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed < 1292444359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BUT THAT MEANS YOU HAVE BROKEN THE DUALITY BETWEEN LIGHT AND DARKNESS < 1292444363 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate" is not the Lord's Prayer. < 1292444378 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1292444382 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since the sum < FFFFFF, not in the correct direction either < 1292444391 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it's sort of the opposite of the Lord's Prayer. So yes, precisely. < 1292444409 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan greatly aided in the development of Haskell? < 1292444420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, he's in the haskell 98 report < 1292444421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1292444431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: apart from the ridiculous hyperbole, there _might_ be a trace of truth there < 1292444441 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The man himself is in the Report? < 1292444456 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh... doing Fsck on these disks takes a long time... < 1292444461 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they extracted some of my organs and embedded them < 1292444470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a typesafe way < 1292444494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : tswett: apart from the ridiculous hyperbole, there _might_ be a trace of truth there < 1292444496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO EGOTISTICAL < 1292444516 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just a scheduled one, not unclean shutdown) < 1292444716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would appear that clog has murdered all the other bots here < 1292444780 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe clog just should be very very afraid < 1292444956 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, mc crashed < 1292444960 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, null pointer < 1292444965 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1292445093 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ... FIRST SALE DOCTRINE. < 1292445105 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: YES < 1292445107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: You are MOTHER-FUCKING KIDDING ME. < 1292445140 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT IS BULLSHIT. < 1292445144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING BULLSHIT. < 1292445329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck the US. I'm moving to the Moon. < 1292445453 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1292445485 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah move to the secret nazi base there < 1292445486 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think the decision that the right not to be searched without a warrant doesn't apply within 100 miles of a border or any international airport is even more ridiculous < 1292445496 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what place in the US isn't? < 1292445508 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181141048.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1292445531 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Very very ridiculous. < 1292445542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... *100 miles of an international airport too*? < 1292445545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, then. < 1292445549 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That leaves us... Uh. < 1292445552 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, what < 1292445556 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parts of Alaska. < 1292445591 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like the submission rules of arXiv and viXra. I should propose the following: < 1292445613 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You must submit a DVI file containing no specials, and using only fonts in the font repository. You may submit fonts to the font repository. < 1292445630 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* In addition to the DVI file, your submission must contain exactly one attachment, no more, no less. < 1292445682 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yeah, it has been ruled that the 4th amendment's "search and seizure" clause does not apply within 100 miles of a border. < 1292445695 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that it doesn't apply "at the border". < 1292445710 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where "the border" is a 100 mile strip from a land border or sea cost. < 1292445721 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* The attachment must be in one of the following formats (optionally compressed by gzip): .tex .w .web .zip < 1292445731 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wait what < 1292445732 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :link < 1292445733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is actually used. Border patrol actually has inland checkpoints. < 1292445734 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* It must be valid free cultural works. < 1292445742 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aclu.org/national-security_technology-and-liberty/are-you-living-constitution-free-zone < 1292445748 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/fact-sheet-us-constitution-free-zone < 1292445748 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Pornography is not permitted. < 1292445794 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some 2/3rds of the US population lives within the "border". < 1292445813 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You must include a form with your submission including title, authors (which are allowed to be anonymous if wanted, but you are not allowed to lie about who the author is), short description, and tags/categories. < 1292445826 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Submission is done using HTTP or FTP. < 1292445839 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: goddamit your country < 1292445839 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think these submission rules are better? < 1292445853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It is very literally a police state. < 1292445893 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: We also set up "free speech zones" for protests. You can be arrested for protesting outside of them. < 1292445894 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, one more attachment format: .tar < 1292445922 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: any restrictions on what can be inside the tarball or zip archive? < 1292445973 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my interpretation of free speech is that you can say what you like, but other people aren't obliged to give you communication channels < 1292445977 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, although someone can report it if it is considered to contain improper things. < 1292445996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The government, however, is obligated not to stop you. < 1292446003 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: indeed < 1292446006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And they do. < 1292446025 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are any of the amendments more or less intact? < 1292446049 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523,pikhq: I agree with your interpretation of free speech. Nobody is obliged to give you communication channels but the government is obligated to not stop you from free speech. It makes sense. < 1292446051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ironically, the 2nd amendment is probably the least abused. < 1292446079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one's that? < 1292446085 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being american, I don't have them memorised by number? < 1292446087 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right to bear arms. < 1292446089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes < 1292446100 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the spirit of the 2nd is completely gone < 1292446102 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume you meant "of the amendments naming rights". < 1292446114 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was that people should be able to form private militias to defend themselves against the government < 1292446120 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that seems a little unlikely < 1292446132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still can form private militias, and the crazies actually *do*. < 1292446133 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmm, although they mostly name either rights or restrictions < 1292446134 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLOODY TIME < 1292446135 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :---: I keep thinking "Fujita, what does your enhanced scale say about the tornado's power level? IT'S APPROXIMATELY TWOOOOOOOOOO!" < 1292446135 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDGregorR: It's not Fujita's enhanced scale, it's Fujita's scale, enhanced. < 1292446135 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :---: Fujita, what does your scale, enhanced, say about the tornado's power level? IT'S APPROXIMATELY TWOOOOOOOOOO! ... enhanced < 1292446136 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else repeal each other < 1292446140 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDGregorR: FUJITA IS DEAD < 1292446143 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :---: Zombie Fujita, what does your scale, enhanced, say about the tornado's power level? Nnnnnnngngggggggggnngh! ... enhanced < 1292446144 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Or change procedural details. < 1292446145 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yep, but a private militia isn't going to do a lot against the US army < 1292446151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not being american, it may be disturbing that i _do_ know 1, 2 and 5 by number. no guarantees of having their _content_ correctly... < 1292446158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough*Iraq*cough* < 1292446173 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Eh, those are the ones that Americans actually know. < 1292446176 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, it could work defensively, I suppose < 1292446179 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also do not live in United States. < 1292446187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would lead to a lot of bloodshed yet not get anywhere < 1292446197 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: *GASP* um canadian then? < 1292446212 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They may actually be aware of the details of others, but not actually know them by number. < 1292446218 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, -0800 timezone < 1292446220 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I live in Canada. You might be able to figure out from my IP address my service provider too < 1292446226 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly had the impression you were north american < 1292446231 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty west for most parts of North America < 1292446233 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for instance, most Americans are probably aware that Prohibition was created and repealed via amendments) < 1292446235 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And from the timezone you can figure out the province. < 1292446265 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been west of Ottawa < 1292446293 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll probably find most everyone unaware of the 9th and 10th amendments. < 1292446335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(9th states the enumeration of rights is not comprehensive, 10th states that any powers not given to the federal government are for the states or the people.) < 1292446364 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, 10's abused a lot < 1292446372 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does 9 do, if anything/ < 1292446375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like Agora's R101 < 1292446425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Nominally, it means that the government does not grant rights at all, but that there are rights completely independent of it, and that the government should not infringe them. < 1292446445 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In practice, it means that people like to use the Bill of Rights as toilet paper. < 1292446457 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION also may have a vague idea of 13 and 14, if he recalls the numbers right
< 1292446476 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Where in the constitution does it say separation of church and state? :P < 1292446482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: 1st. < 1292446510 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm kidding < 1292446518 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not! < 1292446522 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referencing the fact that someone actually asked that at a political debate < 1292446526 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a /candidate/ < 1292446528 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it need to say separation of church and state? I agree with separation of church and state, but does the law need to say it explicitly? < 1292446542 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Look at US political debate. < 1292446548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It needs to be the most explicit thing. < 1292446550 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. < 1292446551 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does. < 1292446562 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently the establishment clause is not sufficiently clear < 1292446563 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are enough idiots in politics that even if you do say something explicitly, some people won't get it < 1292446605 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also fun is people who shout "treason" like crazy in the US. < 1292446614 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Treason is actually defined *in the Constitution*! < 1292446617 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that one's happened here < 1292446627 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i vaguely recall reading that before the amendment that extended the bill of rights to apply to states and not just congress, there were states in the US that had an official religion < 1292446631 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I don't know because I don't live in United States. If I did live there, probably I would know. But I don't want to live in United States. If I have too much money I can make up a country instead. < 1292446633 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are accusing Assange of treason! < 1292446649 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: does treason including sharing state secrets? < 1292446653 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know, and he isn't actually American < 1292446654 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No. < 1292446664 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok then < 1292446670 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ours does, but only to wartime enemies) < 1292446681 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but public revelation could arguably count if we have a wartime enemy) < 1292446735 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Treason in the US is levying war against the US. < 1292446746 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or giving aid to the US's enemies in war. < 1292446832 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The section of the US code defining treason and its punishment also states that you must owe allegiance to the US in the first place. < 1292446844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it literally impossible for a non-US citizen to commit treason in the US. < 1292446868 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are furious enough in the UK at Sweden apparently trying to abuse our legal processes < 1292446871 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt Assange < 1292446919 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It amazes me the effort that Sweden is going to to get Assange. < 1292446933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The punishment for what he's accused of is a ~$700 fine. < 1292446956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. They are expending all their effort on a slap on the wrist. < 1292447008 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: in which case it somewhat amazes that assange doesn't simply agree to the extradition - the UK is no less likely than Sweden to give him further trouble, is it? < 1292447032 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it the US should ask for an extradition, say) < 1292447033 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think he's objecting on principle < 1292447042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*amazes me < 1292447058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I do not like the submission rules of arXiv and viXra. I should propose the following: < 1292447059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: He did turn himself in as soon as an arrest warrant was out for him in the UK. < 1292447059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus christ < 1292447067 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why would you extradite someone over a $700 fine? < 1292447069 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And now he is simply going through the full court process. < 1292447071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : * Pornography is not permitted. < 1292447074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about Gregor's papers < 1292447077 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Even worse. < 1292447078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the pornography-detection result < 1292447081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is actually real) < 1292447091 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: He's not even wanted for the punishment of the $700 fine. < 1292447092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hm i guess he might simply just want to have things as much in the media as possible < 1292447097 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: as far as I can tell, everyone's complying with due process so far, both the UK and Assange < 1292447099 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: He's wanted as a witness *regarding* the case. < 1292447110 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so who's the accused, then? < 1292447113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: He is. < 1292447128 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Descrobe about Gregor's papers. < 1292447130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think I'm missing something here < 1292447158 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The prosecution is being all sorts of crazy. < 1292447185 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this feels more like an SCO scale of crazy < 1292447192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Gregor's papers have involved analysis of pornographic websites. < 1292447204 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He got charged. The charges were dropped. The charges were picked up again. He stayed around for a couple *months* waiting for them to ask for a deposition. He then left to the UK. *Then* they wanted him in court. < 1292447205 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are allowed to describe things relating to pornography if it has possible scientific merit, your paper is just not allowed to include any pornography itself. < 1292447210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also, there is plenty of legitimate research which includes (censored) pornography; mostly work on content detection, to help block pornographic materials. < 1292447220 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But Lenna! < 1292447221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :these images are required to demonstrate the strengths and drawbacks of the methods < 1292447258 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If it is sufficiently censored that only the part necessary for scientific research is included, you may include it. < 1292447270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok, and why does it matter if it's not censored? hypothetically < 1292447287 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing that is prohibited is explicit pornography that is not related to the scientific issue at hand. < 1292447292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if you're going to start censoring pornography, might as well add a "and no instruction on how to make bombs either!" clause < 1292447295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems strange to single pornography out < 1292447306 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, and crazier. He has actually told the prosecution he would be entirely willing to give a deposition outside of Sweden. < 1292447320 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instructions to make bombs are permitted. Pornography is also permitted as long as only relevant parts are included. < 1292447325 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do the current guidelines include anything about pornography? otherwise, _why the heck mention something almost completely irrelevant to the archive_? < 1292447331 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think someone's milking this for publicity, but am not entirely sure who < 1292447334 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, everyone involved at once < 1292447357 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By disallowing pornography I didn't mean to prohibit legitimate scientific research. I mean to prohibit someone posting free pornography there so that people can just watch pornography all the time. < 1292447369 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, I need your help to defeat an Agoran scam < 1292447370 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to watch pornography, you can find it a lot elsewhere. < 1292447376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without 8 objections < 1292447382 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I need all the objections I can get, really < 1292447384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think, and this is just a wild guess here, that zzo38 really dislikes pornography < 1292447391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you don't say < 1292447392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, I like scams, sorry < 1292447394 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also link to it in your article if it is important. < 1292447402 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine elliott ever defeating a scam < 1292447413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: maybe with another failed scam that just happens to stop the other one working, accidentally :D < 1292447417 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, the scam itself is boring, it's just an escalator by changing the number of objections needed to block a ratification from 1 to 8 < 1292447425 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas getting 8 people to agree on anything is a lot more fun < 1292447490 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, and meanwhile, people in the US Justice Department are trying to *find* things to charge Assange with. < 1292447508 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And Senators are wanting to make an ex post facto law regarding this. < 1292447519 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your file contains such things as the permitted kinds of pornography, or profanity, or whatever else like that, you should tag it as such "pornography", "profanity", and so on. < 1292447531 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I know, it's hilarious < 1292447537 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why not just "being Julian Assange is illegal?" < 1292447538 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you people are just so bad at government < 1292447539 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that people who do not like to watch it can filter it out. < 1292447542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems pretty foolproof < 1292447553 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't even need to be retroactive < 1292447558 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Not that the UK is any better. < 1292447570 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: They're wanting to ban protests in response to the recent student protests. < 1292447573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, ban protests. < 1292447583 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: legislators are saying this? < 1292447583 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because *that's* going to help. < 1292447583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can give him a slap on the wrist the first time, then successively higher punishments for not ceasing the behaviour < 1292447589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I haven't heard anything of that, and I'm in the UK < 1292447602 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is there some kind of constitution that disallows banning protests? < 1292447604 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was even a discussion about whether to use water cannon or not, and they decided no < 1292447607 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/student-protests-may-be-banned-altogether-if-violence-continues-2160620.html < 1292447611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the UK doesn't have an explicit constitution < 1292447614 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: constitution? uk? hah < 1292447626 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thankfully not Parliament. < 1292447628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: broken link < 1292447636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If your file contains such things as the permitted kinds of pornography, or profanity, or whatever else like that, you should tag it as such "pornography", "profanity", and so on. < 1292447637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: fuck that < 1292447638 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh, ok < 1292447643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no it isn't, I forgot the l at the end < 1292447656 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's just the London police force < 1292447662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what about the european human rights convention? i'm sure you're a member < 1292447673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, yes they are. < 1292447678 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all embarrased at the moment because someone broke Prince Charles' car's window < 1292447682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't even bulletproof or anything < 1292447703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how do you know that wasn't intentional :D < 1292447706 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we are < 1292447723 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that sounds a little reckless. < 1292447728 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way protesting in the UK goes, is you're supposed to tell the police in advance < 1292447728 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anything wrong with this kind of tagging? < 1292447743 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they make sure that there isn't going to be a huge riot or anything < 1292447743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In a comical way that doesn't directly give the courts to invalidate an Act of Parliament, but hey. < 1292447746 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder if the norwegian king has a bulletproof car. i know the prime minister does. < 1292447754 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, give the courts the power to < 1292447761 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the police are really embarassed at the moment because everyone knew the protest was happening, and yet they screwed up < 1292447815 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a little strange that the heir to the throne can drive around in an ordinary car in the middle of a riot... < 1292447820 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say what actually happened was a little inevitable < 1292447833 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that the police considered shooting, but decided against it < 1292447858 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the police in the UK generally aren't armed, there are a few armed officers but they're generally only deployed when there's reason to think they might be necessary, say in response to armed criminals) < 1292447874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's much saner than the US. < 1292447882 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example: If the author owns a store for selling pornography, they may identify themself as the owner of such a store. You may not include the logo if it is pornographic (unless it is important to the article in some way), but you may link to it. < 1292447896 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: indeed < 1292447909 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: US police are all armed, and they have an actual *paramilitary unit* they use in response to armed criminals. < 1292447912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also means, if you see an armed policeman, you know something serious is going on < 1292447913 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it makes sense now? < 1292447920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ah. norway has made laws to give some conventions precedence over our ordinary laws, including that one. < 1292447926 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the armed policemen generally carry really big and obvious guns so everyone knows they're armed, incidentally) < 1292447934 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Members_of_the_37th_Training_Wing's_Emergency_Services_Team_at_Lackland_AFB.jpg THESE ARE FUCKING POLICE. < 1292447979 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those are assault rifles. < 1292448020 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all our police are armed < 1292448023 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to you < 1292448042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and these guys are also used for riot control. < 1292448053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And searches. < 1292448124 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian police isn't usually armed either < 1292448131 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially no-knock warrants, where your first indication of their wanting to do anything is *breaking down your door and threatening your life if you don't comply*. < 1292448158 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the UK police famously do that at dawn < 1292448173 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they normally don't shoot at you, just arrest you if you don't comply < 1292448230 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should be permitted to eat yourself as defense against threats made against you by the police. < 1292448243 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you fire back at all you will be charged with assault. < 1292448257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not really, what if the person makes bombs? < 1292448261 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except in Texas, where their trespassing gives you full license to kill them. < 1292448277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, why do you have a rule against pornography -- which is almost irrelevant in this case -- and no rules against, say, bigotry? < 1292448397 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because anything should be allowed in these articles. Only, some people do not like to watch pornography, so you should not include it if it is not necessary. Anyways, the article must be a DVI file containing no specials. You may use profanity in your article, but you may not use profanity in the title unless the article is related to such things (for example, a article about brainfuck programming language may contain the word "brainf < 1292448412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: some people do not like to read statements of racial hatred < 1292448415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't that banned too? < 1292448434 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is banned in submissions that do not have the tag "racial hatred" assigned to them. < 1292448447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: okay. what about papers containing the word "weasel" < 1292448452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people do not like to read that word < 1292448454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so surely it should be a tag? < 1292448524 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it isn't a common enough thing to worry about, like racism and profanity and so on, are. But since some people disagree with restrictions against profanity, it is still allowed as long as it is tagged as such. < 1292448570 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the way zzo38's comment was cut off after the f of brainfuck < 1292448575 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to read article only about mathematics, you may tag search "+mathematics", but if you want only articles about mathematics that have no profanity, you can tag search "+mathematics&-profanity". < 1292448577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the n, here < 1292448588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: okay, then why isn't pornography allowed, but just in articles tagged "pornography"? < 1292448589 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :different server, probably < 1292448593 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ...uck programming language may contain the word "brainfuck" in its title). < 1292448602 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the most hilarious place to cut it off in a discussion about censorshi < 1292448605 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*censorship < 1292448652 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I suppose it can be allowed in articles tagged "pornography". You are right about that. < 1292448720 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My concern is that some people might want to go there only to view pornography. It doesn't seem likely, especially that you must submit a DVI without specials and that any picture file attachments must be in an archive file instead of directly, So maybe it doesn't matter. < 1292448775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Gregor: no bots today < 1292448783 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: See? < 1292448811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1292448841 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is a general principle that you don't make up rules for things that aren't likely to be problems < 1292448920 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/don't/shouldn't/ < 1292448923 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In that case, such a rule should not be required. Just the tagging rule can be used. < 1292448981 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have many kind of search functions, for example if you want to find only an article that will fit on letter-sized paper. < 1292449044 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would anyone search based on that? < 1292449054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if the article had the wrong paper size, it could be scaled < 1292449073 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's international Bot Awareness Day < 1292449079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ah < 1292449086 0 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1292449087 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1292449093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1292449108 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1292449113 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slow even when it just entered... < 1292449113 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suppose it could also be recompiled from source if you modify the source files for the document. < 1292449143 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it might still be something you want to search. You might also want to search by filesize, by number of pages, by attachments, by tags, etc. < 1292449148 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I love the way zzo38's comment was cut off after the f of brainfuck that's just the most hilarious place to cut it off in a discussion about censorshi < 1292449151 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :250) I love the way zzo38's comment was cut off after the f of brainfuck that's just the most hilarious place to cut it off in a discussion about censorshi < 1292449153 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or by which fonts are used.... < 1292449156 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's slow ESPECIALLY when it's just entered. < 1292449207 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i had this idea that it was slow because it sometimes needed to dredge itself up from a cache, and that that wouldn't apply if it just had done something including entering < 1292449230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stop making me want to delete every quote :D < 1292449254 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's wrong about that one? :( < 1292449271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh never mine :D < 1292449274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind. < 1292449329 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Pretty much. < 1292449350 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the including entering part, apparently < 1292449396 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose other things you might want to have search criteria is: title, author, date, description, filename, fonts, etc. And possibly a few more in the case of literate programs. < 1292449439 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Today must be the national No Bots Day. < 1292449494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: eh? < 1292449501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant the omission of the p, thought it was intentional < 1292449520 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: er that last was a response to Gregor < 1292449564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1292449566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1292449566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1292449570 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well we may never know but i doubt it :) < 1292449644 0 :fungot!~fungot@momus.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1292449655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 250 < 1292449655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1292449664 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1292449689 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292449701 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :( < 1292449739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh fine add it back :P < 1292449764 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1292449766 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1292449819 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"•In Frankfurt, they call them wieners (after Wien, or Vienna). In Vienna, however, they call them frankfurters. The fact that neither city wants to claim credit for them might tell you something. < 1292449822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: erm let's hope that worked :D < 1292449824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 250 < 1292449826 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292449829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 249 < 1292449832 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :249) oklofok: I don't watch House, no. oklofok: I prefer knowing how medicine actually works. < 1292449843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: huh why not? < 1292449855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from yesterday's iwc annotation, updated) < 1292449871 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Android operating system consists of 12 million lines of code including 3 million lines of XML, 2.8 million lines of C, 2.1 million lines of Java, and 1.75 million lines of C++.[19]" < 1292449875 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XML?! < 1292449898 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk < 1292449908 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's because it's so verbose < 1292449915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1292449917 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define "line". < 1292449917 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1292449918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 250 < 1292449921 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292449923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1292449924 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1292449963 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292449997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so is the p intentional or not :P < 1292450001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not i'll add it with the p < 1292451181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Every physicist wants to violate Einstein, but thus far the great man has remained pretty chaste." < 1292451209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote "Every physicist wants to violate Einstein, but thus far the great man has remained pretty chaste." --Kode Vicious < 1292451215 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :250) "Every physicist wants to violate Einstein, but thus far the great man has remained pretty chaste." --Kode Vicious < 1292451288 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the absense of the p is the whole _point_ of the quote, sheesh (and it was ais523's mistake, not mine) < 1292451297 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*absence < 1292451301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1292451305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: re-add it then :P < 1292451320 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but why didn't the revert work? < 1292451335 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there some privmsg reverted instead? < 1292451412 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I love the way zzo38's comment was cut off after the f of brainfuck that's just the most hilarious place to cut it off in a discussion about censorshi < 1292451413 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :251) I love the way zzo38's comment was cut off after the f of brainfuck that's just the most hilarious place to cut it off in a discussion about censorshi < 1292451424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think revert only works with a revision number nowadays < 1292451430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1292451438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 266 < 1292451440 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1292451441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 250 < 1292451442 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :250) "Every physicist wants to violate Einstein, but thus far the great man has remained pretty chaste." --Kode Vicious < 1292451445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1292451446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not :D < 1292451447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 250 < 1292451448 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :250) I love the way zzo38's comment was cut off after the f of brainfuck that's just the most hilarious place to cut it off in a discussion about censorshi < 1292451450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there < 1292451454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote "Every physicist wants to violate Einstein, but thus far the great man has remained pretty chaste." --Kode Vicious < 1292451454 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :251) "Every physicist wants to violate Einstein, but thus far the great man has remained pretty chaste." --Kode Vicious < 1292451472 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what >_< < 1292451486 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that line is brilliant < 1292451486 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/revert < 1292451487 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure he meant to finish that with "censorshit" < 1292451487 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292451499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it's okay < 1292451505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just sometimes, it takes a while to merge the repository < 1292451512 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1292451514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: basically, "`A" and then "`B" both execute in separate repositories < 1292451522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then, after they finish, an "hg commit" is done < 1292451528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it tries to merge it into the main repository < 1292451533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sometimes you have to wait < 1292451542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not separate repositories, just separate / checkouts < 1292451604 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 249 < 1292451605 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :249) oklofok: I don't watch House, no. oklofok: I prefer knowing how medicine actually works. < 1292451629 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1292451630 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128) Darn, now I can't acknowledge the reference you were making. < 1292451730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastenquotes < 1292451731 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.11835 < 1292451733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: quote feast for you < 1292451826 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, there was one of mine in there < 1292451869 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote olsner < 1292451871 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :175) i think of languages as tools, there is no holy grail of languages even if there's no holy grail, that doesn't mean cups of crap is ok \ 222) olsner, FINALLY NOTHING BETWEEN ME AND WORLD DOMINATION! \ 223) DAMN YOU, I'm leaving olsner, FINALLY NOTHING BETWEEN ME AND WORLD < 1292451927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 223 < 1292451928 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :223) DAMN YOU, I'm leaving olsner, FINALLY NOTHING BETWEEN ME AND WORLD DOMINATION! < 1292451942 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 222 < 1292451943 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* < 1292451947 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote olsner < 1292451948 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :175) i think of languages as tools, there is no holy grail of languages even if there's no holy grail, that doesn't mean cups of crap is ok \ 222) DAMN YOU, I'm leaving olsner, FINALLY NOTHING BETWEEN ME AND WORLD DOMINATION! \ 238) elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are < 1292451973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fuck < 1292451974 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :249) I love the way zzo38's comment was cut off after the f of brainfuck that's just the most hilarious place to cut it off in a discussion about censorshi < 1292451983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 238 < 1292451984 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :238) elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are now my baby nephew. wtf, elliott is a nephew and his uncle is here? what Heck yes I'm elliott's uncle. < 1292452045 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote f.ck < 1292452046 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452052 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote f\.ck < 1292452053 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what happened to yon regexen? < 1292452092 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quote < 1292452093 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \ if [ "$(($1+0))" = "$1" ]; then \ sed "$1q;d" \ else \ egrep -i -- "$1" \ fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi < 1292452157 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote f\\.ck < 1292452157 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452161 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote f\\\.ck < 1292452162 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452222 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote f\(\.\)ck < 1292452222 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452230 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fuck < 1292452231 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :249) I love the way zzo38's comment was cut off after the f of brainfuck that's just the most hilarious place to cut it off in a discussion about censorshi < 1292452253 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ck < 1292452255 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ 4) that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ 9) Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? not yet trying to < 1292452275 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if you can quote search to result only the numbers? < 1292452279 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote mm. < 1292452280 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you could sed the result? < 1292452313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...what happened to yon regexen? < 1292452316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1292452334 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am assuming some horrible shell escape disease here < 1292452339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run x="f.ck"; [ "$(($x+0))" = "$x" ] && echo poop < 1292452340 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run x="f.ck"; [ "$(($x+0))" = "$x" ] && echo poop; echo pang < 1292452345 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1292452354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run x="f.ck"; [ "$(($x+0))" = "$x" ] && echo poop 2>&1; echo pang < 1292452355 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452357 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, make a new program quotesearch that you can do that? < 1292452359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run x="f.ck"; [ "$(($x+0))" = "$x" ] && echo poop 2>&1; echo pang 2>&1 < 1292452359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1292452359 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452364 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, no real reason for it to exist < 1292452368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just sed < 1292452386 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um that _shouldn't_ trigger that condition, should it? < 1292452387 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then you will run it in a shell. < 1292452418 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo no output < 1292452419 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no output < 1292452424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but i had an echo after it < 1292452436 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh < 1292452436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the programs are shell scripts anyway < 1292452448 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1292452552 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote ck | sed 's/).*$//' < 1292452553 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 \ 4 \ 9 \ 10 \ 13 \ 41 \ 43 \ 57 \ 61 \ 87 \ 88 \ 110 \ 123 \ 128 \ 129 \ 163 \ 164 \ 177 \ 186 \ 189 \ 217 \ 224 \ 238 \ 239 \ 241 \ 249 < 1292452597 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote ck | wc < 1292452598 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 569 3294 < 1292452627 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote zzo38 | wc < 1292452628 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 95 565 < 1292452647 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote . < 1292452648 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452653 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote \. < 1292452654 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452660 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote "." < 1292452661 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452668 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote "\." < 1292452669 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452671 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote "\\." < 1292452672 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452675 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote "\\\." < 1292452675 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452678 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote "\\\\." < 1292452679 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452682 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote "\\\\\." < 1292452682 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452730 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means there is something wrong with it and you have to correct that program. < 1292452781 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote elliott | wc < 1292452782 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 194 1181 < 1292452790 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote esoteric | wc < 1292452790 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 19 105 < 1292452793 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run if [ "f.ck" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi < 1292452794 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1292452852 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote Gregor | wc < 1292452853 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 342 2102 < 1292452869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders why Amazon doesn't offer products not sold in the local domestic markets...
< 1292452886 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote oerjan | wc < 1292452886 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 222 1318 < 1292452891 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run if [ "$(("f.ck"+0))" = "f.ck" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi < 1292452891 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote f(u|x)ck < 1292452894 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452894 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely they could make *some* money off of import gamers or something. < 1292452897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote felt < 1292452899 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote bin/quote < 1292452902 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292452903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quote < 1292452904 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \ if [ "$(($1+0))" = "$1" ]; then \ sed "$1q;d" \ else \ egrep -i -- "$1" \ fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi < 1292452915 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote Japan | wc < 1292452916 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 0 0 < 1292452917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run allquotes | egrep -i -- "f.ck" < 1292452920 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :249) I love the way zzo38's comment was cut off after the f of brainfuck that's just the most hilarious place to cut it off in a discussion about censorshi < 1292452923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1292452929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say oerjan fixes it < 1292452932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away screaming
< 1292452993 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a file be uploaded to HackEgo? Is there a FTP or something to do so? < 1292453009 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But *no*, the only way to get something from Japan via Amazon is to pay exhorbitant shipping & handling fees. < 1292453014 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sh -c 'if [ "$(("f.ck"+0))" = "f.ck" ];' 2>&1 < 1292453016 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/sh: Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting "then") < 1292453021 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1292453029 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(¥2,700 per shipment! That's ~$27!) < 1292453042 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sh -c 'if [ "$(("f.ck"+0))" = "f.ck" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi' 2&>1 < 1292453043 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292453066 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1292453081 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sh -c 'if [ "$((f.ck+0))" = "f.ck" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi' 2&>1 < 1292453082 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292453109 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's a wget i think < 1292453112 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: There are some things they won't ship from Japan. But I have managed to order things from Japan though a local Japanese book store. < 1292453171 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is it possible to copy the other way too? < 1292453182 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1292453199 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$((f.ck+0)" < 1292453200 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292453213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: one more ), but aha < 1292453215 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which paste < 1292453215 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/tmp/hackenv.32135/bin/paste < 1292453216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's escaping < 1292453220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$((f.ck+0))" < 1292453221 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292453242 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: paste < 1292453258 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then download from repository < 1292453316 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/paste < 1292453317 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ PASTE=- \ else \ PASTE="$1" \ fi \ \ PASTENUM="$RANDOM" \ \ mkdir -p $HACKENV/paste \ \ echo 'http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.'"$PASTENUM" \ cat "$PASTE" > $HACKENV/paste/paste."$PASTENUM" < 1292453343 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there no FTP? < 1292453360 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Gregor < 1292453381 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs a job.
< 1292453389 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for one thing the machine probably doesn't accept outside connections... < 1292453407 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm except web, obviously < 1292453441 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$((f.ck+0))" 2&>1 < 1292453442 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292453450 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no error message :( < 1292453459 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sh -c 'echo "$((f.ck+0))"' 2&>1 < 1292453460 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292453483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sh -c 'echo hi "$((f.ck+0))" ho' 2&>1 < 1292453484 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292453491 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't put other connection allow? On my computer I allowed outside connection for a few different services and might add more later. You can do similar if you need to or if you want to. < 1292453519 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/You/Gregor/ < 1292453544 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of us cannot escape the sandbox < 1292453547 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in general. < 1292453558 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not necessarily on HackEgo, either. < 1292453564 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'll fix it in a bit < 1292453582 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Gregor should put FTP or whatever other connection in HackEgo if there is a use for it. < 1292453586 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good because i have no idea what $((...)) even _does_ :D < 1292453662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$((2+2)" < 1292453663 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292453667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$((2+2))" < 1292453668 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 < 1292453677 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now i have _some_ idea < 1292453694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$((a+2))" < 1292453695 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1292453702 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$((f.ck+2))" < 1292453703 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292453717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$((r.ck+2))" < 1292453718 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292453744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i suspect maybe $(()) simply doesn't support this string stuff? < 1292453762 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$((2 . 2))" < 1292453763 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292453770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$((a . b))" < 1292453771 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1292453782 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see which ports I have available for incoming connections (although not all of them have servers on it all the time): 25 70 80 194 9876 < 1292453783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1292453814 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have servers on 25 and 9876 only when needed, and then I turn it off.) < 1292453979 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, zzo38: You have an HTTP proxy, no other networking at all. < 1292454344 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The router I have is stupid, it cannot be configured using FTP or USB or anything else. Also, it seems you cannot disable doing configuration by wirelessly, and occasionally it will stop working even though the light is still flashing. < 1292454568 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's the case with most routers I've used < 1292454576 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is stupid) < 1292454646 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A friend had a network printer which had a FTP server built in; when you uploaded a postscript file, it printed it out. < 1292454672 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It did of course speak some more printery protocols too.) < 1292454677 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And Telnet.) < 1292454755 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see a printer with Plan 9 protocol built in. < 1292454938 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1292455348 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1292455387 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1292455626 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1292456717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1292457136 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it seems like the LP is missing videos < 1292457287 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not