00:00:04 fizzie, I think my sb live card has S/PDIF 00:00:18 but hm 00:00:22 it is probably all dusty 00:00:25 The USB stick I have has one of those. There's a little piece of plastic that converts it into the usual optical S/PDIF connector: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61JztQ1Y7eS._AA1500_.jpg 00:00:27 since I never used that hole 00:00:46 Don't they tend to have some plastic covers in there? 00:01:13 fizzie, there is S/PDIF listed in alsamixer, but I don't think I have any connector that isn't either 3.5 mm style or gameport 00:01:16 * Vorpal checks 00:01:30 Which hardware is this? 00:02:19 fizzie, sb live 5.1 00:02:26 fizzie, PCI card 00:02:38 and indeed, only the connector styles I mentioned 00:02:40 My motherboard-integrated Intel HD Audio thing does (coaxial) S/PDIF via a header on the motherboard; had to get the coax connector back-panel plate separately. I guess something similar could be done on some sound cards too. 00:02:41 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:03:05 fizzie, I'm pretty sure the card does /some/ digital output however 00:03:19 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Sound_Blaster_Live!_5.1.jpg -- there's something that says "SPDIF" up there. 00:03:43 I'm not entirely sure what the topmost orange connector is either, from this angle. 00:04:09 fizzie, I could check the back... 00:04:15 Looks like another stereo plug in another image. 00:04:43 fizzie, can't tell the symbol, it is under the case metal 00:04:54 "ANALOG (center and subwoofer)/DIGITAL OUT (front and rear SPDIF digital outputs) via 4-pole 3.5 mm minijack on rear bracket" says a spec sheet. 00:05:01 So it's actually another hybrid thing. 00:05:10 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 00:05:12 fizzie, but an electrical sort? 00:05:20 "4-pole" sounds like that, yes. 00:05:32 fizzie, I only every used green and pink (and gameport) 00:05:35 ever* 00:08:13 hm. fizzie you should write a midi->speaker string thingy 00:08:23 so we can get the whole TOS on there 00:09:14 Right, with some strong-AI modules to understand the semantics and reconstruct the best possible rendition out of a polyphonic midi file. 00:10:43 fizzie, well, I don't demand that 00:11:10 I don't know the speaker string syntax. Is there a spec for that? 00:11:18 fizzie, sec 00:11:25 fizzie, http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=speaker&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+8.1-RELEASE&format=html 00:11:29 fizzie, scroll down a bit 00:11:41 fizzie, until you see a two column bit 00:11:58 (though some of the text before and after is relevant too) 00:12:38 It did look quite BASICy indeed. 00:13:24 fizzie, yeah I think it is similar, with some minor changes 00:13:47 " The `octave-tracking' feature and the slur mark are new." 00:14:57 "The MB, MF, and X primitives of PLAY are not useful in a timesharing environment and are omitted." 00:15:01 I wonder what those did 00:15:45 MF/MB are probably "play in foreground/play in background" switches. 00:15:56 and X? 00:16:11 And X defererences a pointer, basically. :p 00:16:15 http://zem.fi/~fis/qbc.html#QEw4MDNl 00:16:19 fizzie, heh? 00:16:43 It's followed by a string representation of a variable's address, and it goes and executes that. 00:16:56 I guess you could also consider it a subroutine call. 00:17:01 fizzie, why... 00:17:16 You don't need to construct long strings that way. 00:17:25 fizzie, you could call PLAY several times? 00:17:49 Yes, but that way you can do a hierarchical string that includes other parts several times. 00:17:54 hm 00:17:55 okay 00:18:07 fizzie, well not strange they don't want that, since it was done in the kernel 00:18:08 Note: I don't really know what it's for. The example given is pretty contrived. 00:18:22 haha 00:19:19 fizzie, now I want to play monkey island on the pc speaker. I know I seen that on youtube somewhere (it is probably in ~/tmp or maybe /mnt/old-system/home/anmaster/tmp or such 00:20:12 ah found the MT-32 version of it 00:20:23 which is awesome too 00:20:59 wait, no, that is a different version of monkey island 00:21:15 still, awesome music 00:23:36 ah found the mt-32 one of the same game 00:23:47 (as I had the pc-speaker one of) 00:25:46 -!- j-invariant has joined. 00:28:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a324ykKV-7Y has a bunch of versions of the monkey island tune for the interested 00:30:47 When I was walking to a friend's graduation party thing, there was a dude at the local train station underpass playing the Monkey Island tune on a melodica. 00:31:50 (Actually it turned out the "dude" (which we only noticed really briefly, as we were in a hurry to get that party) was a quasi-friend of ours, who was also at the same graduation event thing too.) 00:32:23 (Also, we hadn't realized that and started to tell him an interesting story about someone playing the Monkey Island tune under the railway station while we passed by.) 00:32:25 Deewiant, the one I thought of was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DLoSAb1-bc 00:32:53 fizzie, XD 00:33:18 fizzie, you thought it was some beggar or such? 00:33:28 Well, I think they like to be called "street musicians". 00:33:33 fizzie, ah. 00:33:40 But sure, though the choice of song did make us wonder. 00:33:51 fizzie, yeah, those poor comp sci students 00:33:52 The "uh, it was actually I" realization was a bit awkwardly entertaining. 00:36:13 The song's a perennial favourite of everybody. I think I've seen a recording of Press Play On Tape performing it somewhere too. 00:36:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a324ykKV-7Y has a bunch of versions of the monkey island tune for the interested 00:36:29 hm 00:36:41 I thought MT-32 was a standalone box? 00:36:49 and that card is FUCKING huge 00:37:14 The LAPC-I is an MT-32 compatible card 00:37:17 They put it on an ISA card too, I think. 00:37:18 Right. 00:37:21 That is an ISA card. 00:37:29 I didn't take a look. 00:37:30 Is it really that acceptable for a language to make no distinction between x(5) and x=5? 00:37:41 also... are they all from the same version of monkey island? 00:37:56 I thought it was made for MT32 00:37:58 -23* 00:37:59 gah 00:38:01 -32* 00:38:15 so it shouldn't sound better on more recent hardware 00:38:20 They are from the same 00:38:30 Deewiant, then how can it sound better than MT-32? 00:38:31 And, as typical for games of the time, it has different versions for different cards. 00:38:45 Deewiant, yes quite. But some of them were made /after/ monkey island iirc 00:38:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6A0CsU3fh8 00:39:03 And if you noticed the last annotation, the final one played ("CD audio quality" or whatever it was called) is from a different version 00:39:09 But the ones before that are from the same. 00:39:15 Deewiant, yes quite 00:39:21 ah 00:39:24 Deewiant, didn't noticed that 00:40:15 Deewiant, and adlib was quite decent (unlike gameblaster) though nowhere near MT-32 of course 00:40:35 First two versions sound curiously unlike. 00:40:40 fizzie, yeah... 00:41:00 the ultrasound one is good, but I think the MT-32 is even better. 00:41:00 Not that there's a very good standard for the PC beeper, of course. 00:41:13 Card looks like a full-size ISA one. 00:41:25 I have a 256K add-on memory card of that size somewhere. 00:41:34 and SB16 sounded bad 00:42:06 fizzie, dude I believe in my computer case it would be inside the harddisk bay at that size!! 00:43:38 I don't think there's supposed to be *that* much difference between Adlib's OPL2 FM synthesis and SB16's OPL3; the latter just adds features. (Of course many things that play on SB16 are actually sampled stuff, I guess.) 00:43:50 (If that's in the video, I'm not that far yet.) 00:44:06 fizzie, the MT-32 sounds better than the SB16 00:44:09 by far 00:44:18 Well, *that*'s not surprising. 00:44:22 fizzie, true 00:44:33 the SCC-1 is nice too 00:44:54 but the ultrasound is really bad considering it comes after the MT-32 00:45:19 the SCC-1 is mainly crisper 00:45:37 which I don't really think fits 00:45:47 I also have a GUS MAX somewhere; GUS is a rather PC-demoscene-famous thing. It's not a bad piece of hardware, compared to the similar-cost SB16. 00:45:54 Has some on-board memory for wavetabley stuff. 00:46:08 Tracker music players could do hardware-accelerated mixing on that. 00:46:17 fizzie, right, but I don't really care about anything that sounds /worse/ than an MT-32 :P 00:46:31 That just depends what you play with it. 00:46:58 fizzie, anything designed to make use of MT-32's capabilities :P 00:47:21 (pc speaker is an exception) 00:47:40 I'm not entirely sure that's a fair benchmark. 00:47:48 -!- cheater99 has joined. 00:47:57 In unrelated news, the new Special Edition re-orchestrated re-played soundtrack doesn't sound half bad. 00:47:59 (but the segment between pc speaker and MT-32 I find throughoutly boring) 00:48:11 fizzie, oh? link? 00:48:23 It's that last thing in the video. 00:48:46 fizzie, didn't it have the issue of not doing the proper transition-and-blend thingy? 00:48:52 or was that monkey island 2 only? 00:49:10 "iMUSE" I think it was called 00:50:07 Well, that sounds possible. 00:50:16 Since it's recorded-on-real-instruments stuff. 00:50:17 fizzie, iirc elliott played it or something 00:50:31 fizzie, basically you got lots of CD seeking even 00:51:19 I haven't actually played it. (Though I did try out that episodic what-was-it-called modern thing, which was I-guess-nice but nothing that much to, as they say, write home about.) 00:51:31 fizzie, though if recoreded in *perfect* sync (note: impossible with real instruments) you could mix the channels 00:51:48 fizzie, what episodic thing? 00:51:55 Tales of Monkey Island. 00:51:59 Telltale Games' thing. 00:52:24 "Free wovels! Get them while they're wovel!" (Heard from a wovel salesman in the game.) 00:53:44 Also there were some chuckle-worthy jokes about "U Tubes". 00:53:55 fizzie, ... there is no excuse for that pun which doesn't even really work 00:54:09 wait, misread it 00:54:14 as "free wolves" 00:54:16 somehow 00:54:22 okay, now it makes more sense XD 00:54:48 Telltale Games' thing. <-- never heard of that 00:55:10 -!- MigoMipo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:56:04 The company, or the game? 00:56:21 fizzie, the phrase in the line I highlighted 00:56:30 fizzie, I have no idea IF it is a company or a game 00:56:51 Telltale Games is the company, and Tales of Monkey Island is the game. 00:56:57 ah 00:57:04 fizzie, well neither then 00:57:49 They've done episodic-style modern adventure games into existing "franchises"; that Monkey Island game, and some Sam & Max stories, and I don't know what else. 00:59:42 hm should I use the FreeBSD name in the BSD license 00:59:44 or my own 00:59:49 since it is based on freebsd code 00:59:58 I mean in the line "The views and conclusions contained in the software and documentation are those of the authors and should not be interpreted as representing official policies, either expressed or implied, of the FreeBSD Project." 01:00:06 (I do not plan to re-license it under GPL) 01:00:41 fizzie, any idea? 01:02:03 hm 01:02:59 meh, I'll settle for something like: 01:03:01 (In part) Copyright (c) 2010 Arvid Norlander. All rights reserved. 01:03:01 (In part) Copyright (c) 1992-2010 The FreeBSD Project. All rights reserved. 01:03:19 (the "all rights reserved" amuse me) 01:06:47 elliott, fizzie: http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/software/pcspeak.tar.xz 01:06:55 if you want to play with the software 01:08:50 The song's a perennial favourite of everybody. I think I've seen a recording of Press Play On Tape performing it somewhere too. 01:09:02 They've done an *awesome* version of it segued into LeChuck's theme. 01:09:28 The LAPC-I is an MT-32 compatible card 01:09:37 Deewiant: Proper compat or just one of those ones with its default soundfont? 01:10:13 Can confirm that the PC speaker and Tandy ones are the same game. 01:10:32 The Roland LAPC-I contains an MT-32 compatible synthesizer 01:10:49 Also, you can't compare cards with the MT-32 based on one track, since the MT-32 is far more reprogrammable than any of the others. 01:10:53 fizzie, didn't it have the issue of not doing the proper transition-and-blend thingy? 01:11:06 That's the CD version of MI1, but it didn't even have iMUSE; it was just slightly less smooth. 01:11:18 MI2 has never been CD-soundtracked and was the first to use iMUSE. 01:11:23 Special Edition != CD rerelease. 01:11:23 elliott, what did you do to that line, it only highlighted /part/ of it 01:11:29 right, it ended just after > 01:11:36 fizzie, basically you got lots of CD seeking even 01:11:43 elliott, you did it again 01:11:44 Was MI2 even released on CD when it came out? 01:11:47 fizzie, though if recoreded in *perfect* sync (note: impossible with real instruments) you could mix the channels 01:11:50 iMUSE didn't mix any channels. 01:11:58 but no longer 01:11:58 It waited until an appropriate transition point and jumped to the appropriate transition. 01:12:01 They were handmade. 01:12:05 elliott, right 01:12:19 I don't like the Special Edition theme; the main lead isn't pronounced enough. 01:12:25 There's a Telltale Games guy on the esowiki, btw. 01:12:41 Vorpal: just xchat copying colour codes for some reason 01:12:54 elliott, but it only did it 2 out of 3 times 01:12:58 Deewiant: Vorpal doesn't see annotations, re: And if you noticed the last annotation, the final one played ("CD audio quality" or whatever it was called) is from a different version 01:13:05 since he uses some youtube-dl thing, not flashl. 01:13:08 *flash. 01:13:16 elliott, and the modes of this channel should filter colour codes 01:13:19 Vorpal: I think it's based on the precise moon-phase. 01:13:25 Also, no, annoying colours are GREAT! 01:13:26 elliott, aaah 01:13:32 Vorpal: Aaaaah? 01:13:40 elliott, (moon phase) 01:13:47 Irssi shows "< elliott> HH fizzie, ..." with inverse-video Hs. 01:13:54 fizzie, hah 01:14:18 Vorpal: Have you ever actually played the Monkey Island games? 01:14:31 i luv them 01:14:35 elliott, no, it is on my todo list however 01:14:51 elliott, but I never really liked point and click 01:14:58 elliott, I prefer more free form in general 01:15:14 elliott, open world I love (ev override is very open world) 01:15:16 for 5: where is the fuel for the chainsaw? 01:15:44 1 is great (but short; once you've beaten it once it only takes like 2-3 hours to do), 2 is probably the best adventure game ever written, and 3 (Curse of) is excellent too (although basically just ignore-retconned 2's ending and didn't involve Ron Gilbert; it is still good, however; note that it's 640x480x8. ScummVM can play it.) 4 (Escape from) is utter terrible keyboard-controlled 3D dreck and should be avoided at all costs. 01:15:51 and there is the craziness of the puzzles too 01:15:52 Tales I haven't played yet. 01:15:56 I prefer RPG in general 01:16:05 Vorpal: Of course you use the rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle to cross over the chasm ... 01:16:07 What are you, an idiot? 01:16:19 (Note: Actual spoiler.) 01:16:28 elliott, I heard about that example before 01:16:33 so I'm not spoiled by you 01:17:10 elliott, but yeah I don't really enjoy exploring the combinatorial explosion of all items in all places at all times 01:17:16 which is what it seems like pretty much 01:17:20 Vorpal: Not really. 01:17:23 unless you use spoilers 01:17:26 You just have to sense a pun when one comes along. 01:17:37 The combine-X-with-Y approach only happens when you're really stuck. 01:17:51 elliott, so is " Vorpal: Of course you use the rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle to cross over the chasm ..." from a pun? 01:18:03 Vorpal: To be fair, it comes with the pulley. 01:18:09 And there's a line conveniently crossing the chasm. 01:18:21 But, okay, so that one isn't terribly intuitive, but it /is/ lampshaded in the actual game. :p 01:18:26 elliott, what about the rubber chicken? 01:18:37 I mean, the pulley, sure 01:18:40 It comes with the pulley. 01:18:49 elliott, which seems rather weird 01:18:55 Yes, well. 01:19:00 The Voodoo Lady is weird. 01:19:00 I never seen a rubber chicken with a pulley built in before 01:19:16 come to think of it... 01:19:21 I never seen a rubber chicken 01:19:24 rubber ducks sure 01:19:26 but not chicken 01:19:41 They serve different roles. 01:19:54 http://media.photobucket.com/image/rubber%20chicken%20with%20a%20pulley%20in%20the%20middle/ErDracu/Pollo.jpg 01:19:56 WHAT NOW 01:19:58 SCIENCE 01:20:03 For one thing, rubber chickens are far more floppy and less bath-toyey. 01:20:10 Perfect for crossing chasms. 01:20:30 elliott, not science. Just... technology 01:20:37 It disproves science. 01:20:43 elliott, so how much load can it take? 01:20:57 Vorpal: Approximately one (1) Guybrush Threepwood./ 01:20:59 s/\/$// 01:21:12 elliott, I meant the real-world one 01:21:25 Vorpal: Approximately one (1) Guybrush Threepwood. 01:21:34 (Turns out they live in a world where everything is tiny.) 01:21:49 har 01:22:57 Was Tales really released in 2009? jeez. 01:23:37 painted with deluxe paint.. btw ;) 01:23:47 Tales wasn't relatively speaking too far on the "horrible annoying puzzlery" scale, but it did have its share. (And personally I am most annoyed by those cases where I clearly know what to do, it has a reasonable probability of being the right thing, but I just can't seem to figure out how to communicate that to the game through the UI.) 01:24:15 brushguy 01:24:45 fizzie, yeah that sucks 01:24:46 indeed 01:24:49 named after guy.brush 01:24:59 since deluxe paint used .brush 01:25:10 it did 01:25:57 Guybrush Threepwood, Mighty Pirate(TM). 01:26:04 one of the first apps using thi terminology, as far as i know 01:26:09 elliott: do you still think I wasted your time? 01:26:16 why on earth is niceness value so backwards. In other words: why does *nix use an inverse of the more straight-forward concept "priority"? 01:26:20 wanna buy a map? *g 01:26:23 elliott, ^ 01:26:24 Mathnerd314: Everyone always wastes my time! 01:26:36 Vorpal: So they could use C's default initialisation to 0? :) 01:26:44 OK, so that would work with priority too I guess. 01:26:50 Vorpal: I suspect positive nice values came much before negative. 01:26:57 hm 01:27:04 elliott: ok... 01:27:05 Also it's nicer. 01:27:11 elliott, so they started with lower-valued priority? 01:27:25 probably, yes 01:27:35 fizzie, you are trespassing on oerjan's territory! 01:28:40 elliott: so is that a yes? 01:28:53 Mathnerd314: it's file_not_found 01:29:02 elliott, I think I might want to write 4'33" for the pc speaker 01:30:11 Vorpal: it's called "mute button" 01:30:16 Vorpal: That's 273 seconds. So, if ... 01:30:21 How many Hz does one 386 cycle take? 01:30:30 Rather. 01:30:37 elliott, actually the time tempo to give it 01:30:41 Non-audible-frequency beeps were a common-ish way of doing sub-second resolution delays in some system. 01:30:44 How many one-cycle instructions can you fit into one second of 386 execution? 01:30:45 I just need to figure out* 01:30:50 got dropped from it 01:30:50 At 12 MHz. 01:31:05 elliott, presumablly 1/12 MHz? 01:31:11 that is 01:31:18 1/(12 MHz) btw 01:31:34 Vorpal: Right. So 83 ns for one instruction. 01:31:44 elliott, assuming it takes one cycle 01:32:15 elliott, anyway, the tool doesn't work like that 01:32:38 Vorpal: OK, 2^23 nops on a 12 MHz 386. 01:32:44 Assuming a 1-cycle nop. 01:32:52 That's close to 4'33", except as a power of two. 01:33:08 elliott, ... but how does that help me? 01:33:10 (Man, even 386s are /fast/.) 01:33:17 Vorpal: Well, you can do it without even touching the PC speaker! 01:33:25 elliott, but I don't have a 386 01:33:32 That way you can listen to 4'33" even if you don't have a PC speaker to listen to it with. 01:33:50 "Early in production, Intel discovered a bug that could cause a system to unexpectedly halt when running 32-bit software. Not all of the processors already manufactured were affected, so Intel tested its inventory. 01:33:56 Processors that were found to be bug-free were marked with a double-sigma (ΣΣ), and affected processors were marked "16 BIT S/W ONLY". These latter processors were sold as good parts, since at the time 32 bit capability was not relevant for most users. Such chips are now extremely rare." 01:34:04 That's so very nice. 01:34:12 That's where 3-core AMDs come from. 01:34:19 4-core AMDs born with Down's syndrome. 01:34:22 elliott, here is the easy version: "". Note: program exits right away and it continues playing in background 01:34:36 Vorpal: But how will I know when to stop listening? 01:35:01 It's a bit like the "only connections to IP addresses inside Finland" cheaper-rate thing our ISP used to offer. 01:35:07 elliott, use a wall clock 01:35:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_clock_time 01:35:23 fizzie, so no google for example 01:35:25 Vorpal: Yes, but I need a process that runs for 4'33" to do that. 01:35:30 Vorpal: Which my example gave. 01:35:37 fizzie, so no google for example ;; I doubt Google existed then 01:35:41 ah 01:35:43 true 01:35:44 Vorpal: It was around 1991, so no Google anyway. 01:35:53 fizzie, aaah THAT far back 01:35:59 (Disclaimer: Year is purely guesswork.) 01:36:06 1991, before the dinosaurs got wiped out. 01:36:09 When Jesus roamed the Earth 01:36:13 elliott, oh? 01:36:22 elliott, he was long lived then 01:36:31 of we have exponential year length 01:36:39 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/172/431306643_528c65a6b3.jpg 01:36:55 elliott, ... 01:37:34 elliot: "Brushes can be cut from the background by using the box, freehand, or polygon selection tools. They can then be used in the same manner as any other brush or pen. This functionality is simpler to use than the "stamp" tool of Photoshop or Alpha Channels as provided in later programs. Brushes can also be rotated and scaled, even in 3D. After a brush is selected, it appears attached to the mouse cursor, 01:37:34 providing an exact preview of what will be drawn. This allows precise pixel positioning of brushes, unlike brushes in Photoshop CS3 and lower, which only show an outline." --wikipedia, on the amiga version of deluxe paint (1985!) [appendix] 01:37:45 ooh found a quickcam in a box 01:37:49 I wonder if it works with linux 01:37:56 (logitech quickcam express) 01:38:05 (one of those with a pyramid base) 01:38:15 It's popular enough to probably do. 01:38:22 hm 01:38:28 i loved it *sigh 01:38:36 hagb4rd, loved what? 01:38:43 fizzie, some googling suggests a out of kernel driver, which seems unmaintained 01:38:50 deluxe paint 01:38:56 hagb4rd, never heard of it 01:38:57 Quickcam-in-a-box, sounds like a trademark. 01:39:27 Vorpal: Well, you were a mac guy, weren't you? (I ay misremember.) 01:39:30 "This functionality is simpler to use than the "stamp" tool of Photoshop or Alpha Channels as provided in later programs." 01:39:35 hagb4rd, I see an issue here 01:39:58 hagb4rd, mostly in that it won't 1) do blending very well 2) follow where you drag the mouse 01:40:02 ooh found a quickcam in a box 01:40:03 I wonder if it works with linux 01:40:03 (logitech quickcam express) 01:40:03 (one of those with a pyramid base) 01:40:07 I HAD ONE OF THOSE OMG. 01:40:12 Such shitty quality. 01:40:16 elliott, it's usb 01:40:18 vorpal: a painting app, i remember from the amiga, with quite innovative, and impressing func. 01:40:20 and yes shitty quality 01:40:33 hagb4rd, ah, so not for retouching photos then 01:41:03 ithttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluxe_Paint#Functionality 01:41:04 Vorpal: Also, careful with what you say about Deluxe Paint. 01:41:08 sry 01:41:08 http://ui28.gamespot.com/475/full20040105092056_2.gif <-- It produced things like this. 01:41:19 -!- cheater99 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:41:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluxe_Paint vorpal 01:41:26 elliott, okay, good for drawing 01:42:01 "the character's name derived from the file used to store his image data. Contrary to popular belief however, the original source sprite was not named "guy.brush" as the file extension used was ".bbm" and not ".brush". The file was in fact named "guybrush.bbm", the "brush" portion of the file name being included by the artist behind the character, Steve Purcell." <-- aww 01:42:03 OH WELL 01:43:29 aye :) 01:44:00 http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/?sound=1 ;; these are beautiful btw, colour cycling 01:44:04 (turn sound on) 01:44:23 Vorpal: gspca (which is in mainline kernel nowadays) supports at least some hw revisions of quickcam express. 01:44:37 fizzie, oh nice 01:44:44 fizzie, will try that when I recompile kernel 01:44:46 Who is Pull? 01:44:48 (going to anyway) 01:44:54 Sgeo: ? 01:44:55 Sgeo, what? 01:45:11 * Sgeo is being silly. Look at the image of the game 01:45:15