< 1293926434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GEB is what happens when a smart person has some kind of mental blockage that makes them consider recursion amazing. < 1293926451 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and Penrose < 1293926452 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's like whoa. < 1293926465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Penrose should just be ... forced to shut up forever? < 1293926470 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1293926470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: like a restraining order < 1293926474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he can't publish any books any more < 1293926477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Penrose is crazy too? < 1293926480 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the problem with Penrose is he's a really smart guy < 1293926493 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just has this one absolutely idiotic idea that he talks about sometimes < 1293926499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he thinks that intelligent life is immortal because the universe's maximum state of entropy has all information or something < 1293926504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? I don't know, I can't explain crazy people < 1293926505 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Hofstader also knows his stuff < 1293926505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yeah < 1293926513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: the smarter someone gets, I think, the more likely they are to have one really stupid idea < 1293926519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be unable to see how stupid it is < 1293926523 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1293926525 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like einstein < 1293926536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, which crazy idea did he have? < 1293926539 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah einstein with that stupid "relativity" stuff < 1293926540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yeah what was that fucker thinking with realtivity < 1293926542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*relativity < 1293926545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: *high5* < 1293926547 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1293926560 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: spooky action at a distance < 1293926584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my favourite name of anyhting really < 1293926585 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the non-existence of action at a distance a direct consequence of relativity? < 1293926590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spooky action at a distance < 1293926595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just ... the best name < 1293926595 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: well, you'd think < 1293926612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_at_a_distance_(physics) i bet this was renamed from the proper name by wikilamers < 1293926616 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but Einstein also developed the first inklings of quantum theory < 1293926626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOTT DOST NOT PLAY DIECE < 1293926629 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1293926650 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he hated quantum theory because of its implications < 1293926657 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was too hung up on dumb concepts < 1293926670 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite having given the insight which led to the < 1293926671 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*them < 1293926723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gödel's really stupid idea was that he was being poisoned, but that one resolved itself quite quickly :D < 1293926725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww that was an awful thing to say < 1293926728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm such a bad person < 1293926757 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GÖDEL'S GHOST FROWNS ON YOU < 1293926768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAY ALL YOUR THEOREMS BE UNDECIDABLE < 1293926769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gödel's skeletal ghost < 1293926824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OS X — 96 gigs; Ubuntu — 56 gigs; Shared — 96 gigs < 1293926830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: dunno whether those are decimal are binary gbs but who cares < 1293926833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this look reasonable? < 1293926846 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my school has a course that includes undecidability < 1293926850 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard it's kind of boring :( < 1293926860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can resize the OS X one at any time really, but < 1293926898 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no it doesn't < 1293926904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, too much of OS X :P < 1293926914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aside from zealotry. < 1293926917 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/in 25 < 1293926918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since you can resize it again, sure < 1293926920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X takes up more space, simple fact < 1293926926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah but i'd have to get rid of ubuntu/shared < 1293926935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? < 1293926941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because this takes up the whole disk < 1293926945 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, couldn't you add shared-2 < 1293926946 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or such < 1293926952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you mean shrink OS X? < 1293926955 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1293926957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt i'll want to give less to OS X < 1293926960 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1293926965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering there's only 50 gigs free on there as it stands < 1293926973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aren't there shrinkable linux file systems? < 1293926975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :56 gigs for ubuntu might be too little? probably not < 1293926981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably. i'm just going to go with ubuntu default < 1293926998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure how much ubuntu need < 1293927003 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :du -sh /usr might take a while < 1293927012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well as fizzie said his ubuntu install only uses about 10 gigs. < 1293927016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my arch system: < 1293927018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ df -h /usr/ < 1293927018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on < 1293927018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/mapper/array-usr < 1293927018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20G 8,5G 11G 46% /usr < 1293927021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but there's /home in these too, just things like music will go on shared < 1293927024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also probably code? < 1293927034 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well my /home : < 1293927041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on < 1293927041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/mapper/array-home < 1293927041 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 69G 59G 7,4G 89% /home < 1293927048 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :89% !? < 1293927050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1293927054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll have to grow it < 1293927055 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1293927061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live LVM! < 1293927061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes, I /am/ planning to buy my big desktop system. < 1293927079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you here see the wonder of LVM! < 1293927079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd like it if there was some kind of standard thing like a slimmed down LVM ... with saner nomenclature and tools. < 1293927090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and if all filesystems supported resizing. online resizing. < 1293927103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well actually jfs supports on line growing < 1293927106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but, uh, LVM has the wondrous feature of interoperating with NOTHING < 1293927115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :want to just LOOK at your files in another OS? SORYYYYY < 1293927118 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so does ext4 iirc < 1293927128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yeah. well. i'm not making my shared partition ext4 < 1293927130 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lvm for fuse? DO IT NOW! < 1293927136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck no < 1293927145 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think ext3 supports resizing too < 1293927148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :online I mean < 1293927172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I doubt I will change from linux on my destop < 1293927175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck it, I'm resizing. If I decide it's all wrong I'll trash ubuntu & shared and redo it. < 1293927175 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desktop* < 1293927187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about swap < 1293927187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: um hello @? (okay so @ won't interact with anything else either :-)) < 1293927194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't need swap, I have four gigabytes of RAM < 1293927202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't suspend to disk then < 1293927207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure you can with a swap file. < 1293927212 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... right < 1293927232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK, fine, I'll make room for a six gig swap. < 1293927234 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's a blood drop < 1293927234 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, separate /boot I guess? < 1293927236 0 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293927243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, needs to be 60 MB or less < 1293927256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well it could be larger) < 1293927257 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1293927264 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(would be a waste though) < 1293927269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why separate /boot. < 1293927283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well depends on if your bootloader can handle the main fs < 1293927318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess you need to install bootloader into partition rather than into mbr on that computer < 1293927320 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no? < 1293927334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ du -sh /usr/ < 1293927334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7,6G /usr/ < 1293927336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from thinkpad < 1293927369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/var contains a few chroots < 1293927373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pointless to check < 1293927383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293927418 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293927420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1293927423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That resize was quick. < 1293927426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder why LimeChat crashed. < 1293927432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Resize and partition, no less.) < 1293927444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now I need to put GRUB on the shared partition. < 1293927460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can install GRUB from OS X right? ...right? < 1293927485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1293927491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you download "GRUB 2 images" or something? < 1293927496 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't count on it: :) < 1293927531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on, i have to :P < 1293927596 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1293927655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: objconv not found which is required when building with apple compiler < 1293927662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: grub can build on os x apparently? < 1293927703 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1293927721 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but isn't it heaps easier to do this from ubuntu once you install it? :) < 1293927728 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:21 < c_wraith> (I have goldbach's conjecture in formal logic as a tattoo) < 1293927730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i need grub to install it. < 1293927739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: lol. < 1293927750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goldbach's conjecture is beautiful now? < 1293927753 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, due to not having an optical drive? < 1293927755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in logic notation? < 1293927762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i'm going to boot from hd with grub :p < 1293927767 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're going to install the installer and boot it with grub? < 1293927769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I could just fish out a usb stick but this is the moar funz < 1293927770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1293927772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i am < 1293927774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :install by copying < 1293927777 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve :D < 1293927813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRUB2 will be compiled with following components: < 1293927813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Platform: i386-efi < 1293927817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1293927820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait grub doesn't do 64-bit < 1293927820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1293927823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want efi though < 1293927852 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it even boot without efi support on a mac? < 1293927860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well. yes. with bios emulation. < 1293927866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although probably it hands over control as bios? < 1293927873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just scared that it'll be grub-efi < 1293927875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I do nooooot want < 1293927882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: see http://grub.enbug.org/TestingOnMacbook < 1293927887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1293927887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong page < 1293927897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no wait < 1293927899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's the page < 1293927902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: see drawbacks < 1293927905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no virtual terminals :-) < 1293927908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Grub-EFI is so modern! < 1293927927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it actually possible to force a bios build??? < 1293927943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1293927949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--with-platform=pc should do it < 1293927965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that "ok" to do? who knows let's find out) < 1293928068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In file included from kern/err.c:23: < 1293928068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./include/grub/i18n.h:28:5: error: "ENABLE_NLS" is not defined < 1293928068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** [kernel_img-kern_err.o] Error 1 < 1293928069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... < 1293928071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In file included from kern/misc.c:26: < 1293928073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :./include/grub/i18n.h:28:5: error: "ENABLE_NLS" is not defined < 1293928075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1293928287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok seriously. even a grub 1 image would do < 1293928301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try a grub floppy. who knows < 1293928304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just might work < 1293928367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if that worked < 1293928368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :refit time < 1293928387 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexa_Ray_Joel < 1293928403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[On December 5, 2009 Joel ingested a quantity of Traumeel, a homeopathic alternative to ibuprofen.]] < 1293928411 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst. Suicide attempt. EVER. < 1293928414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's WikiNotable! < 1293928422 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HILARIOUS. < 1293928422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought it was ... without context. < 1293928428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On December 6, 2009 Joel ate breakfast. < 1293928651 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a perfect demonstration of the way that selection pressures in our culture are working against intelligence. < 1293928653 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call that a suicide attempt < 1293928693 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People clever enough to realise that you should use evidence-based suicide do not go on to reproduce, while those who opt for complementary and alternative suicide live. < 1293928709 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, well "attempt" is certainly relevant. < 1293928721 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: that thing about selection is tongue in cheek. < 1293928723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Within a month after her Traumeel incident, on December 31, 2009 Joel publicly posted[51] that she wanted to help young girls deal with what she termed "heartbreak-related depression,"[52] which term, it was noted, "does not currently exist as a clinically diagnosable form of depression."]] < 1293928738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like CWC and his date ed classes. < 1293928762 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's just an idiot, now she goes on to make depression even less respectable as a serious mental healht problem < 1293928787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293928847 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had that public mass-suicide-by-homeopathy thing, http://www.1023.org.uk/the-1023-overdose-event.php < 1293928875 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1293928877 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :has that had much of an effect? < 1293928905 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293928913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't work. < 1293928927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I have another idea. < 1293928927 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these fucking "cuts" everyone complains about, but the NHS still prescibes homepathy and ancient chinese "stick needles in the guy to heal him" < 1293928942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah nhs support of homeopathy is fucked < 1293928958 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great idea: aquapuncture - combination of the ancient chinese art (?) and homeopathy! < 1293928967 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make a forture^H^H^H help lots of people! < 1293928972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1293928972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the government basically said "no, it doesn't work, but we're still going to use it." < 1293928981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293928990 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a needle. Dilute it 10^60 times. < 1293928995 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1293928999 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stick it into the patient. < 1293929027 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iridopuncture, aka needles-to-the-eye. < 1293929030 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that would probably cure you of pins and needles, not anything else. < 1293929050 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like-cures-like is applicable to EVERYTHING. < 1293929065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shot? Dilute a bullet 10^60 times! < 1293929096 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft homeopathy. < 1293929113 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Broken foot? Dissolve someone else's foot in acid, then start diluting that. < 1293929126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Remember to break it first, though.) < 1293929201 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defend yourself against creepers! Bucket + gunpowder, then repeat 100 times! < 1293929630 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1293929748 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1293929809 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293929817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had a sudden burst of reasonableness and found a USB stick < 1293929930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can the world float? < 1293929944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not sure. < 1293929949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN IT FLOAT ON PIN < 1293930189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Who was the hippocampus? < 1293930209 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :John. < 1293930218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That explains it. < 1293930487 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1293931166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293931554 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293931755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the arguments for functional programming is better modular design. By analyzing publications advocating this approach, in particular through the example of a framework for financial contracts, we assess is strengths and weaknesses, and compare it with object-oriented design. The overall conclusion is that object- oriented design, especially in a modern form supporting high-level routine objects or “agents”, subsumes the fu < 1293931755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nctional approach, retaining its benefits while providing higher-level abstractions more supportive of extension and reuse." < 1293931758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--Bertrand Meyer ... < 1293931761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree :-P < 1293931763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the arguments for functional programming is better modular design. By analyzing publications advocating this approach, in particular through the example of a framework for financial contracts, we assess is strengths and weaknesses, and compare it with object-oriented design. The overall conclusion is that object- oriented design, especially in a modern form supporting high-level routine objects or “agents”, subsumes the fun < 1293931763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctional approach, retaining its benefits while providing higher-level abstractions more supportive of extension and reuse. < 1293931764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1293931765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://se.ethz.ch/~meyer/publications/functional/meyer_functional_oo.pdf < 1293931804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(We share the reader’s alarm at the unappetizing nature of the examples, especially coming from a Paris- based author. The sympathetic explanation is that the presentation was directed to a foreign audience of which it assumed, along with unfamiliarity with the metric system, barbaric culinary habits. The present discussion relies on the assumption that bad taste in desserts is not a sufficient predictor of bad taste in language an < 1293931805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :d architecture paradigms.)" < 1293931891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293932271 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1293932539 0 :rderos!~Felipe@189.25.7.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293932543 0 :rderos!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1293932620 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293932922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[When people want to emphasize how pathetically far we are from proving P≠NP, they often use the following argument: for godsakes, we can’t even prove that NEXP-complete problems aren’t solvable by depth-3, polynomial-size circuits consisting entirely of mod 6 gates! < 1293932922 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no more.]] < 1293933148 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders who "they" are :D
< 1293933221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the set {Scott Aaronson} :D < 1293933264 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he uses the royal "then", i take? < 1293933270 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"they" < 1293933274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: clearly :D < 1293933324 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a subtle megalomania mixing the styles of queen victoria and julius caesar < 1293933432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh ... it seems you have to have a gpt thing to do usb w/ macbook air < 1293933438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if fedora's stuff would do it < 1293933490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at the actual blog post and detects _possibly_ a tiny tinge of sarcasm there...
< 1293933496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no shit :P < 1293933585 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I feel slightly wrong writing in a functional style in K&R C < 1293933599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Er, wow. What. < 1293933601 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :purely for the purpose of making a "record this, do something, put it back to the original value" wrapper nest easily < 1293933602 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, cool! < 1293933608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why are you ... < 1293933625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I mean, K&R? And ... < 1293933625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and as for K&R C, I was writing a hacked version of NetHack for RNG manipulation purposes < 1293933629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NetHack's written in K&R C < 1293933637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: protoize that shit for AceHack :P < 1293933639 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it predates C89, so you can hardly blame it for that) < 1293933654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any reason not to? < 1293933660 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done things like reindenting or protoizing so existing patches apply wel < 1293933662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*well < 1293933670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring :) < 1293933680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the indentation style's currently a mix of my two-space, and NetHack's four spaces for one level, tab for two levels < 1293933702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ...see, um < 1293933711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not following an existing codebase's indentation style < 1293933718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm afraid I'm going to have to kill you for the benefit of everyone. < 1293933720 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: means I end up not mixing tabs and sapces? < 1293933725 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have things both ways round < 1293933735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at least keep the same indentation width < 1293933743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4, since they probably assume tab=8) < 1293933748 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, in some cases I've been interspersing eight spaces for two levels < 1293933767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but don't do any two-spacing < 1293933771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because telling the editor to save mixed-tab-and-space, while entirely possible, would mean repeatedly changing it there and back < 1293933781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to try out this ubuntu usb stick again < 1293933791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: erm emacs can condition on the path of the file < 1293933800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293933828 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the logs) I know, but that would be a pain to set up < 1293933838 0 :elliott!~elliott@91.105.67.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293933840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1293933840 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293933841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrrrrrrrrrrrrr < 1293933842 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I have far too many NetHack source trees, in all sorts of places < 1293933845 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1293933846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRR < 1293933849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRRRGRGRGRGGRGR < 1293933854 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1293933875 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? < 1293933880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: stupid mac < 1293933904 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why do places like BBC News always credit YouTube or Wikipedia rather than the actual author of the content? < 1293933907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: basically, as far as i can tell, the only way to boto from a usb stick is to have it gpt-partitioned < 1293933909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*boot < 1293933912 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1293933916 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Booting Windows or Linux from an external disk is not well-supported by Apple’s firmware. It may work for you, but if it does not work, there is nothing rEFIt can do about it." < 1293933917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which can be done ... with a fedora specific, linux-only, RPM package < 1293933920 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Just saw that on a page.) < 1293933926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically < 1293933928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my options are < 1293933934 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- see if i can get that working here (endless unpredictable pain) < 1293933935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1293933939 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a Linux-based program in order to install Linux? < 1293933941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- £60 on external SuperDrive < 1293933955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: clearly! ubuntu has instructions for setting up a usb stick on a mac but they don't work and from what i'm reading, cannot possibly work < 1293933962 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what about running Fedora in a VM, and using that to reformat the stick? < 1293933974 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293933984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that... sounds like it could rapidly become more than £60 worth of pain < 1293933986 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you partition it with just gdisk? < 1293933999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: partitioning is easy -- getting the files on there and making it bootable, I have no idea ho < 1293934000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1293934005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it has to be HFS-partitioned too < 1293934011 0 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1293934014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so regular bootloaders won't work? < 1293934025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Feel like making a USB stick image for me? :-P < 1293934027 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1293934032 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was totally my fault < 1293934037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it'll require is alien, an Ubuntu ISO, and PATIENCE! < 1293934046 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293934049 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll instead sleep on it. :p < 1293934065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You're far too loyal not to help out, right? < 1293934159 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: THAT IS NOT THE SOUND OF REASSURANCE < 1293934225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: re youtube/wikipedia < 1293934237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because those seem like real, respectable businesses < 1293934242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: real sources < 1293934246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coolguy1272 doesn't < 1293934331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Steve Wozniak is an out and out self proclaimed geek. As the co-founder of Apple, he has given the world products aimed at making our life easier and more fun.]] < 1293934337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... don't think Woz stayed on for very long, BBC < 1293934385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleARGH < 1293934387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bleargh < 1293934460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok seriously < 1293934465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got to be possible to do this < 1293934475 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is the last ep of season 1 good? < 1293934483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Does it matter? You can't skip any. < 1293934489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't suppose I can convince you to try and install one package and try out a command ...? < 1293934714 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, most of the good episodes were near the end of the season < 1293934831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: what about YOU, I can depend on you can't I < 1293935031 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293935085 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What assistance do ou need, citizen? < 1293935108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: one (1) .rpm converted to .deb and installed by you with the help of ``Alien'' conversion tool; < 1293935119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: and one (1) Ubuntu Live CD ISO downloaded; < 1293935129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: and one (1) conversion of this ISO to a disk image using that Linux-only tool < 1293935162 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowledge of RED Hat is above your Clearance, citizen. < 1293935172 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Report for termination immediately. < 1293935175 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, and enjoy your day. < 1293935181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: p < 1293935185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*alien -i foo.rpm < 1293935187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: DAMMIT I'MA GO INSANE < 1293935194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdfghjk, < 1293935196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm, < 1293935197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zxcvbnm, < 1293935203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't even bother with references INSTALL THE PACKAGE ;_; < 1293935210 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need your ISO converted? < 1293935218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: to install ubuntu. < 1293935225 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what though < 1293935230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: this. < 1293935258 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this < 1293935264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: um, a computing machine? < 1293935272 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's a usb stick image? < 1293935281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no it's a live cd that you can turn into a usb stick image < 1293935282 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol just stick a partition table in front of it < 1293935288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yeah um it needs to be gpt < 1293935290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hfs-formatted < 1293935295 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gpt? < 1293935295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have no idea what bootloader it installs < 1293935297 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hfs? < 1293935298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: apple shit < 1293935312 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol not happening < 1293935317 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maily cos I'm lazy) < 1293935325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: there _is_ a reason I mentioned the .rpm, you know < 1293935329 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also because you wouldn't do it for me < 1293935340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would actually if yelled at enough < 1293935343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much do i have to tell < 1293935360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"livecd-iso-to-disk --mactel --reset-mbr foo.iso blah" NAG NAG NAG < 1293935369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAG NAG NAG NAG NAG NAG NAG < 1293935373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffff < 1293935798 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293935932 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293936142 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293936166 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293936197 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293936214 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293936536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: stop it < 1293936573 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry. ive been trying to fix my mbp screen < 1293936576 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i broke the glass :( < 1293936584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: pray to steve jobs < 1293936586 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet i followed the professional instructions! < 1293936618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: steve jobs. < 1293936630 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1293936678 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: surely you have another computer with linux < 1293936687 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was a statement) < 1293936714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I do, yes, but uh ... hmm. < 1293936718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why amn't I doing taht. < 1293936720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1293936723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting a friend to do it instead < 1293936967 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, has thedailywtf's forum actually been patched to allow only haikus? < 1293936974 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to a mod doing it manually? < 1293936981 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the sidebar forum, not the replies on the articles) < 1293936998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: er, wow < 1293937001 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not only haikus, but posts of approximate haiku length < 1293937016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a short plaintext sentence which has a similar length < 1293937029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/t/21032.aspx < 1293937030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very haikuy < 1293937040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From henceforth, all messages posted that are not in the form of a Haiku will be deleted. < 1293937040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have been warned. Have a nice day. < 1293937041 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@bas5-toronto47-1167928546.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1293937049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1293937054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: seems like it's some kind of bug < 1293937056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1293937058 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293937066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and then it was turned into a haiku rule < 1293937076 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1293937089 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS has decided only to allow very short posts due to being broken < 1293937111 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the mod's response was, instead of fixing the forum, to institute a "haiku rule" to patch around it < 1293937146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if there was only some website I could post on to report curious perversions in information technology... < 1293937150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the REAL wtf... < 1293937152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1293937155 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that definitely qualifies < 1293937196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/21032/241597.aspx#241597 < 1293937229 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You can now type more text into the subject line (255 UTF-16 characters by the looks of it) than you can in a post (~180 was it?) < 1293937241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: saw it already < 1293937269 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS? < 1293937274 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :community server < 1293937276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :community server < 1293937278 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293937281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a horrible asp.net abomination < 1293937282 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a much-maligned forum that somehow got even worse < 1293937286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real wtf is the daily wtf < 1293937295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, why did it have to be alex that started it? < 1293937299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's so close to being the wtf himself < 1293937415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is Username a mod? < 1293937422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has rather ...suspicious... stats < 1293937425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he/she < 1293938079 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1293938885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293939167 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, have you determined the exact allowable length yet? < 1293940346 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Star Trek, all aliens want human girls < 1293940355 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, human-looking girls < 1293940560 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293940710 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make up the new URI scheme for IRC, to get rid of problems with "IRC" scheme. The new one can be "IRCP" (for "Internet Relay Chat Protocol") and it accepts the username and password field, host, port, and so on. For example the URL for this channel would be: ircp://irc.freenode.net:6667/join?%23esoteric < 1293940891 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck < 1293940976 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To represent the registration of this channel: ircp://irc.freenode.net:6667/cs/info?%23esoteric < 1293941050 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: We don't sell that. < 1293941211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you have a password in a URI? < 1293941248 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You probably wouldn't, but you could if you needed to. (Other URI schemes do support username/password) You might also include just the username. < 1293941454 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircp:// URIs shall be case-insensitive (except the password) < 1293941509 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would make far more sense to call this channel ircp://irc.freenode.net:6667/%23esoteric < 1293941552 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for instance, its info would be ircp://irc.freenode.net:6667/%esoteric?info < 1293941578 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I understand, but I don't like that much. < 1293941605 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certainly better than putting something dumb like chanserv in there < 1293941626 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: But it is the chanserv info, isn't it?? < 1293941636 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that info might not be provided by chanserv < 1293941653 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you're making "cs" be a magic string there < 1293941667 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: But then the servers do not have a standard way of retrieving it, and it won't work. < 1293941676 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that's a difficulty < 1293941691 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but you don't have a standard way of asking for "cs" info < 1293941755 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes; the URL for the channel info would be secondary level specification, not a primary level; primary levels are the more standard ones. Secondary levels are used when the primary ones are insufficient. < 1293941793 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As if they are two separate RFCs or two separate chapters in one RFC, for example.) < 1293941892 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the channel type symbol (#&!+) must be URL encoded using % and hex code, except for ! which can be written as either "!" or "%21". The # & + MUST be written using "%23", "%26", "%2b", respectively. < 1293942738 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293943284 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a command on this IRC server I didn't know, the CHANTRACE command. < 1293943393 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just put ChanServ in the URI < 1293943413 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no, that sucks < 1293943423 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ChanServ might not be the only thing gthat varies < 1293943430 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gVaries, now using glib < 1293943610 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It is why I have specified that there is "primary level" and "secondary level". < 1293945705 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a algorithm for calculating standard deviation (using integers only)? < 1293946678 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds difficult, considering the average of integers is not necessarily an integer... < 1293946717 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I could also just calculating fixed point using integers < 1293948926 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1293951478 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293951876 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants combat rations
< 1293955199 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1293955200 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1293955705 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* chantrace :Outputs a list of members in #channel in ETRACE format, with the classname < 1293955705 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* chantrace :replaced by the server the users are on. < 1293955709 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ zzo < 1293955921 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you have a cloak on - right? < 1293955939 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, why? < 1293955944 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293955958 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, because I think I just found your IP < 1293955966 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* < 1293955975 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, not a major issue < 1293955983 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want to know if cloaks actually work < 1293956004 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, well, try finding the IP of someone who's cloaked. < 1293956023 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, your not? < 1293956044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's possible to be cloaked without one's knowledge, I am not. < 1293956048 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What made you think I was? < 1293956068 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, misreading my /whois < 1293956071 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1293956090 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION shrugs
< 1293956100 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloaks work if you identify before joining a channel < 1293956114 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one for a while myself < 1293956124 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I know how it works - I misread something < 1293956125 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now I have a hostname I'm not interested in cloaking < 1293956134 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1293956150 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1293956161 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm < 1293956176 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you, grad courses < 1293956194 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what courses? < 1293956259 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: there's a course on logic next term I may sit in on < 1293956285 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called "logic for comp. sci." by the registrar < 1293956290 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, cool < 1293956291 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which leaves me guessing as to what it actually is < 1293956315 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite subject is logic :-} < 1293956351 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's anything like the previous logic course taught by the same prof (Advanced Logic in Computer Science) 5 terms ago, then it may be worth trying to maneuver my way around the dumb undergrad course < 1293956581 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how far above my head it starts < 1293956602 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it isn't too far, I would definitely love to take a real logic course rather than the blargh undergrad one < 1293956626 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(provided, also, that I can convince necessary people that it is a good idea for me to replace the mandatory undergrad course with the grad one) < 1293956657 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, worst case just audit the class < 1293956966 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: if I can find the time, sure < 1293956978 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or if I can follow along < 1293957217 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`/win 3 < 1293957246 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1293957594 0 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293957802 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1293958208 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293958711 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293958870 0 :Wamanuz4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1293961005 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293961140 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1293962041 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293962212 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1293963560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: that... sounds like it could rapidly become more than £60 worth of pain <-- (for logs): why £60 specifically? < 1293964743 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents insist that I never stopped talking since I was nine months old, but this video tape of me at my first birthday has a distinctive lack of any meaningful vocalizations :P < 1293966067 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293966257 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1293966821 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1293967003 0 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293967880 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-13-27.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1293970249 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, :D < 1293970721 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :mauna < 1293970729 0 :mauna!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1293970883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293970883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1293970883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293971046 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1293971831 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1293972172 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1293972174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAR! < 1293972228 0 :WAR!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293972247 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would have been a lot better if it hadn't had my name in the whois. < 1293972296 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1293972324 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make the "plain.cards" file and "texnicard_format.tex" file also available in the book, so I wrote a program in AWK. < 1293972338 0 :WAR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1293972347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have written a program in AWK before. < 1293972436 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works; but maybe I have done something 'improper' by not knowing programming with AWK, before. I don't know. < 1293972546 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :nice stuff at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page | retards at voxelperfect.net have expired | historical documents at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D or via hg at http://codu.org/projects/esotericlogs/hg/ < 1293972594 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :turds at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page | turds at voxelperfect.net have expired | historical turds at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D or via hg at http://codu.org/projects/esotericlogs/hg/ < 1293972598 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURDS < 1293972632 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :TURDS at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page | TURDS at voxelperfect.net have expired | historical TURDS at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D or via hg at http://codu.org/projects/esotericlogs/hg/ < 1293972671 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough. < 1293972855 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this considered a 'proper' program in AWK, or is there some things which I have done badly and could be improvement? http://sprunge.us/eLcc < 1293973370 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is SPARC system programming is soo undocumented < 1293973393 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I don't know. Are you trying to write a program? < 1293973441 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS < 1293974137 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh < 1293975191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, hm, how does SPARC deal with the register window thing when it comes to running out of registers. That is: what happens when call stack gets too deep? < 1293975221 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know because i can't find the goddamn docs < 1293975225 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1293975237 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like intel's manual < 1293975277 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if it was handled by the hardware itself or if it invoked an exception handler which had to deal with it < 1293975629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1293975645 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to reboot for kernel upgrade on the computer running this irc bouncer < 1293975647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1293975656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1293976167 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if it may be worth it to wipe out Ubuntu and just use Tinycore for his Linux needs
< 1293976407 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC running out of register window "depth" generates an exception, and then an OS exception handler will do some stack-pushery. < 1293976488 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/sparcv9.pdf not good enough for your purposes? < 1293977154 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1293977212 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol, i'm stupid < 1293977224 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found that earlier and forgot that i have it :G < 1293978123 0 :Vorpal!~AnMaster@unaffiliated/anmaster JOIN :#esoteric < 1293979425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "An overflow [of the register windows] causes a spill trap that allows privileged software [read: the OS] to save the occupied register window in memory, thereby making it available for use." < 1293979817 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are algorithms for calculating such things as standard deviation, etc? < 1293980096 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation#Rapid_calculation_methods < 1293980284 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit of a misleading title there, since it seems more about doing a running standard deviation; for the std of a particular n-point data set, I don't think there's typically anything much more cleverer than the straight-forward O(n) just-you-know-calculate-it thing. < 1293980372 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The algorithm described there should work. < 1293980407 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How large do you expect $s_2$ to become in case of a large set of cards? < 1293980477 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well the clever thing about it afaik is that you can calculate it in one pass... < 1293980511 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well it should be less than N times the square of your maximal value... < 1293980522 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, yes, that is what I was alluding to with the "running" part. < 1293980533 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is of course rather trivial) < 1293980547 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mhm < 1293980594 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhoo, quite often doing two passes is not a problem either. < 1293980614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The see-also "computing variance" article is a bit more comprehensive. < 1293981231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1293981290 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, presumably there is some trap when going the other way too? (In order to unspill when required) < 1293981311 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's a "window underflow" trap too. < 1293981432 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And there are some complications because the OS needs to make sure one process can't manage to peek into the register windows of another process.) < 1293981442 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you seem to know SPARCs pretty well < 1293981505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm... You mean like, store/restore windows on context switch? < 1293981545 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, not sure how much it differs from normal storing/restoring of registers on other platforms (such as x86) < 1293981548 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It doesn't need to, because there are separate registers to mark some register windows belonging to "current process" and others to "other", and separate traps for those. < 1293981580 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: Not really, I've just read a bit back when doing our compiler course, which had a sparc backend. < 1293981592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but what if you have three processes? < 1293981617 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you'd have to manually keep track, but there's still some windows "owned" by the current one, and some by the others. < 1293981698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so the OS will spill/unspill as required then? < 1293981754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how much does this enforce a specific calling convention btw? I remember reading that (on x86/x86-64 at least) GHC uses a custom calling convention. < 1293981761 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that. As far as I can determine, the idea is that if the current process only uses K register windows, you don't need to spill/fill the N-K unused ones. < 1293981812 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, but if it uses all N then this would mean more switches to kernel mode? < 1293981823 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are usually slow on most architectures < 1293981903 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about the tradeoffs, but there probably is one, yes. You could even have the OS maintain some sort of a per-process guesswork as to how many "clean" register windows it's going to prepare in advance on a context switch. < 1293981904 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an algorithm that works better to calculate it if the sample values are already sorted low to high? < 1293981932 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1293981980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw did I mention that mcmap bug? If you place a torch high up (about altitude 120 or above) you get a garbled mess on the map in a block around that area. Garbled both on normal map and on topo map. < 1293981985 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think there is, but if you know of it, tell me) < 1293982012 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, better than what? < 1293982022 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, I saw that, though I already managed to forget it. < 1293982028 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, and to calculate what? < 1293982070 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard deviation, I assume. < 1293982078 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, if you happen to have time to test it... < 1293982086 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1293982138 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, if you had written this in the github issue list, I wouldn't have managed to forget it. I'll try to take a look at some point. It's probably related to the "max-alt trees cause flickering map-garbage" thing I saw on my local server tests. < 1293982196 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know since it is sorted, it can easily calculate minimum, maximum, median. < 1293982387 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which other statistics would be useful for a set of cards (such as for Magic: the Gathering and similar games)? < 1293982513 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Histograms of different categorizations? (I seem to recall MtG cards can be grouped into lands/creatures/instants/whatevers.) < 1293982566 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, the category by card type. < 1293982617 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do like that, I already have grouping. < 1293982669 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another question, about notation: if $Q_2$ is median, does $Q_0$ mean the minimum? < 1293982695 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I /think/ so, but Q_0 is not normally defined. < 1293982726 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Wikipedia: "The 25th percentile is also known as the first quartile (Q1); the 50th percentile as the median or second quartile (Q2); the 75th percentile as the third quartile (Q3)." < 1293982761 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't mention $Q_0$ or $Q_4$ (or $Q_5$, but that doesn't make sense). < 1293982783 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, so Q_0 and Q_4 could easily be read as the maxima and minima, but they're never actually defined. < 1293982805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "maximum and minimum", I suppose. < 1293982860 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just add a note next to the equation that explains this notation. < 1293982961 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1293982963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Based on a quick source-glance, I don't seem to be verifying the y values in world.c:block_change, and an overflow there could possibly ruin both the heightmap and the surface map. I'll take a closer look later. < 1293982980 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want to see what sort of numbers the server sends before blindly fixing that.) < 1293983003 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_derivative_test < 1293983070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More tales of my adventures in the maths class: when I pointed out that the teacher's proclamation that f''(x)=0 at a point said nothing about its nature, I was told to shut up. < 1293983112 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The class being taught this were then informed that such a function would never come up, even after I pointed out that x^4 is clearly an example. < 1293983204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you must be SO POPULAR < 1293983257 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I am actually banned from setting foot in the maths department. < 1293983283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might mess up the dangerous maths experiments. < 1293983364 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathemagical monsters: http://deltafunktio.animeunioni.org/dft_eka_osa.gif (Disclaimer: you... uh, might have to be able to read Finnish to understand any of that.) < 1293983371 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Safety: the natural logarithm is an irritant and should be washed away if it comes into contact with the skin." < 1293983430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think it's better without. < 1293983488 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"INTEGRAALI" < 1293983710 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are the Finnish words for "oxygen" and "vulva" really only a letter apart? < 1293983735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both are required breathing for continued existence. < 1293983937 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't think so. But the words for "vulva" and "cone" (as in "pine cone", not as in "geometric shape") are. < 1293983959 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's even BETTER. < 1293983971 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being a cont < 1293984001 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: As are the words for "oxygen" and a very colloquial term for the penis. < 1293984010 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/inuation!!/ < 1293984081 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :("häpy", "käpy" and "happi", "heppi", respecitvely.) < 1293984114 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, all similar! < 1293984126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it finns are fond of happiness < 1293984133 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's more than a single-letter difference between häpy/happi, though. < 1293984144 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They *are* quite close, I guess. < 1293984158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Häpy heppi, heppi käppy. Käppy happi, happi häpy. < 1293984163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1293984170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Häpy heppi, heppi käpy. Käpy happi, happi häpy. < 1293984240 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sharing consonants does not two words alike make. < 1293984241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?? < 1293984246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: does < 1293984253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up finnish l|_|z3r < 1293984275 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, consonants and similar phonetic properties if you don't know Finnish orthography! < 1293984292 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have several words where the double-consonant (or a double-wovel) makes a semantic difference. Like "taka" → "takka" → "taakka"; "back" (mostly as a prefix, like "takapuoli" = "backside") → "fireplace" → "burden". < 1293984316 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you pronounce double 'k's? < 1293984330 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :takka on takataakka < 1293984339 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a stop consonant, only longer-duration one. < 1293984356 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you can have duration for a consonant? < 1293984358 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[k:] < 1293984385 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why couldn't you? < 1293984401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_consonant#Length < 1293984405 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has a few double-consonants too < 1293984410 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bork < 1293984414 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, OK, a voiceless plosive consonant. < 1293984418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you prove that Finnish isn't just a gigantic prank on the rest of the world? < 1293984430 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you prove that English isn't? < 1293984438 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or C++! < 1293984452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Maybe it is, but if it is, it's a lot less funny than Finnish < 1293984454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Finnish. < 1293984465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More sad. < 1293984480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it's more what you get when you take about 3 languages and mush them together without thinking. < 1293984490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is like "A man walks into a bar. He is an alcoholic and it's destroying his family." < 1293984524 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translatefromto en fi A man walks into a bar. He is an alcoholic and it's destroying his family. < 1293984533 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL21sCWfnbE&t=1m8s "tuki" vs "tukki" < 1293984541 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mies kävelee baariin. Hän on alkoholisti ja se tuhoaa hänen perheensä. < 1293984570 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: I don't know if the guy knows what he's talking about, I just searched for an example) < 1293984692 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The