< 1294099207 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294099288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: GET ON MC < 1294099339 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you haven't blown up Mt. Vorpal by "accident" I will be sorely disappointed. < 1294099359 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" (Note: You cannot farm cheap obsidian here, as the water evaporates!) " < 1294099594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I have. < 1294099715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I am ready to blow things up. < 1294099723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Can we make a 10x10x10 cube of TNT? < 1294099734 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO. < 1294099739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: 3x3x3? < 1294099754 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2x2x2 is already an insanely huge explosion. < 1294099761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: 3x2x2? < 1294099784 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2x2x2. Full stop. < 1294100131 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmhm < 1294100643 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey < 1294100695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: hi < 1294100878 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me of your favorite type system < 1294100999 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1294101003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: um < 1294101006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: depends! < 1294101009 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x3 < 1294101011 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this cave is too big to light < 1294101011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: system I\Xi is pretty nice < 1294101014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: no it isn't < 1294101016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: get more torches < 1294101018 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me about it < 1294101023 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are monsters < 1294101031 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, people do mine obsidian: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=78446 < 1294101201 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to make a lava column? < 1294101666 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, yes. < 1294101747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wasn't your scree x9nn? < 1294101763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what. < 1294101772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, screen res < 1294101775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, on your macbook air < 1294101776 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me < 1294101781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 1440x900 < 1294101787 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that small? < 1294101805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "ha ha my computer is better than yours" < 1294101809 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to quote you < 1294101823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope mine is better < 1294101824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1294101844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 1680x1050 > 1440x900 < 1294101852 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thus in that aspect mine is better < 1294101860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is better in every way < 1294101869 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well fuck. < 1294101872 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except that < 1294101878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1294101879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also fewer usb ports < 1294101887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the usb ports are better though < 1294101887 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mine has... 8 usb ports < 1294101891 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Senators are stating that they will allow the US to default on its debts. < 1294101892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the fewer pixels are more zen < 1294101893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :q.e.d < 1294101899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: luzl < 1294101904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how are your usb ports better? usb 3.0? < 1294101935 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do not know what will happen if that happens, except that it will be *fucking terrible*. < 1294101943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they're more usb < 1294101948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but yes this has usb 3 < 1294101954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also you don't have hardware midi! < 1294101962 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or built in gbit ethernet < 1294101970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nope, it's because steve jobs wrote the software midi himself and it sounds like angels peeing on your face < 1294101979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ethernet is 20gb duh that's why it has to be housed in a separate container < 1294101982 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or 1 TB non-volatile storage space < 1294101983 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the dollar would probably instantly go into hyperinflation. < 1294101985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise it would be breaking speed regulations < 1294101991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have more, I have petabytes < 1294101995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they call it "the internet" < 1294101998 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, har har < 1294102003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has a wireless connection to it < 1294102005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUILT IN < 1294102010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1294102016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 11n? < 1294102021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes actually. < 1294102022 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so does my thinkpad < 1294102025 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it has 11n < 1294102027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Does it have USB 3.0? < 1294102039 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no but it has more usb ports than you < 1294102044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're worse. < 1294102050 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway aren't usb 3.0 ports taller? < 1294102052 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than usb 2 < 1294102056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Er. No. < 1294102060 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err yes < 1294102066 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or is that usb 4? < 1294102068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allow me to repeat: Err, no. < 1294102078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's actually USB 2.0. < 1294102086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My USB ports are better because they're more USB porty than your USB ports. < 1294102092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quod erat demonstrandum, motherfucker. < 1294102099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU CONCEDE < 1294102136 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how are they more usb porty? < 1294102146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because they're more USB. < 1294102148 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and no I do not concede < 1294102152 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because I call that a lie < 1294102162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You are wrong and your entire family is made out of meat. < 1294102179 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so is your < 1294102197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I'm a computer. < 1294102198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, *yours. < 1294102212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: I FUCKING WISH MINECRAFTFORUM WOULD REMOVE THAT IRRITATING NOTCH SMILEY. < 1294102215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL THE IDIOTS USE IT < 1294102227 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, solution: adblock it < 1294102236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too much work. < 1294102241 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, two clicks? < 1294102243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idiots are the problem. :p < 1294102248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (1) Install AdBlock < 1294102259 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 1) already done... over two years ago < 1294102265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: For you, not me. < 1294102276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how can you live with the ads? < 1294102289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't browse sites that show me irritating ads. < 1294102293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Bonus: I don't browse shitty sites. < 1294102298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least I browse less of them. < 1294102304 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, same but google ads = irritating to me < 1294102305 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294102313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Then you're just whiny. < 1294102325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they were okay when they only allowed text < 1294102331 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find AdBlock a need. < 1294102337 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but now I'm pretty sure I seen graphics in one < 1294102340 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially all ads are fucking annoying. < 1294102344 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, indeed < 1294102351 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google's text ads being the only exception. < 1294102364 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, they have non-text ads nowdays iirc? < 1294102371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's put it this way: reddit has exactly two ad spots: the one at the top, which is commercially-posted links, almost all of which have comments and are often interesting; and the square ad on the right sidebar, which is _never_ irritating, never animated, and always subdued, and the admins keep it that way. < 1294102371 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sadens me < 1294102378 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irritating ads get reported and removed extremely swiftly. < 1294102386 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Static images aren't too bad; a minor irritant. < 1294102391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus, often subreddits etc. are advertised in the right bar and it can be interesting. < 1294102396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see _no point_ in blocking those whatsoever. < 1294102400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh yes I have gif animations set to "don't repeat" < 1294102409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Animated images vary from "somewhat irritating" to "OH HOLY FUCK I MUST KILL SOMEONE". < 1294102416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus there's a good chance of them showing you a kitten instead of ads. < 1294102417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. < 1294102426 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Flash ads make me want to line up all advertisers before a firing squad. < 1294102433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They put random pictures there not linked to anything on like 1/5th of all page loads. < 1294102436 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I don't have flash of course < 1294102439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that noise I just installed AdBlock and called it a day. < 1294102450 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, quite! < 1294102452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal lives in a world where not having Flash is "of course". < 1294102460 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294102461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, any website with Flash ads isn't worth the time of day. < 1294102465 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey *you* don't have flash you said < 1294102468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and ones that appear *over* the page also make me want to wipe out humanity. < 1294102468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just don't browse such websites for more than 10 seconds at a time. < 1294102476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, they made that? < 1294102477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure, but it's hardly "of course". < 1294102483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They've "made that" since the 90s ... < 1294102487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Livejournal has them now. < 1294102487 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, accept it. < 1294102488 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1294102491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Those_ I would block. < 1294102493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What? < 1294102504 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it /is/ of course. Welcome to the club. Accept your fate. < 1294102517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, video ads before a video are pretty annoying. < 1294102527 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when it's the same fucking ad for every video on a site. < 1294102531 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, don't tell me youtube have them or something? < 1294102537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nope, the next time I want to play a Flash game or watch a weebl's stuff cartoon I'll happily install it. < 1294102539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Youtube does. < 1294102543 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1294102551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it has ads before the video? < 1294102555 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this cave is never ending system of dark pits and halls < 1294102556 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, long live youtube-dk < 1294102557 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes. < 1294102558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dl* < 1294102558 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then < 1294102567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, youtube-dl for the win! < 1294102577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly corporate-posted videos.) < 1294102580 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, congrats on finding a large cavern system < 1294102590 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Because making a worse product is a good idea." < 1294102598 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, it happens a few times in every game. Rarely does it naturally go down to lava lake level < 1294102603 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are awesome < 1294102612 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one game with two such. Near each other. < 1294102658 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said they would make up a new kind of poker game and make manga of it, and then I will be the non-Japanese people to play this game. < 1294102689 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err! night! < 1294102695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: youtube-dl is bullshit, just use a youtube->html5 thing. < 1294102699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :359345743957395 of them exist < 1294102735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why is it bull shit. It rocks if your connection can't handle highest definition available < 1294102758 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I thought youtube had html5 naively nowdays? < 1294102768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Natively only on videos without ads and it's slow as fuck. < 1294102775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294102788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, having to wait ages to watch a stupid YouTube video defeats the entire point. < 1294102850 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use YouTube. It is full of wrong thing........ < 1294102860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: youtube-dl is actually a god-send for some videos. < 1294102867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can watch while it downloads. Something like youtube-dl foo & sleep 10 && mplayer foo.flv works file < 1294102872 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine* < 1294102878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I just use YouTube5 and it works perfectly. < 1294102891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm happy for you. But don't call youtube-dl shit < 1294102897 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you don't like it, so be it < 1294102899 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or mplayer `youtube-dl -g` < 1294102918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: mplayer is retarded, it never buffers enough. < 1294102920 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpEu5AZnTGM < 1294102925 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, that works too if it doesn't fuck up buffering as elliott said < 1294102926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Wrong thing is an ellipsis made out of 8 dots. < 1294102930 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: -cache set-the-buffer-in-kilobytes < 1294102930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's three, man, it's three. < 1294102941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It seems to buffer, use the entire buffer, get some more, etc. < 1294102942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stupid. < 1294102970 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not ellipsis. It is a 8-dots-ellipsis. < 1294102987 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway don't complain about youtube-dl just because you don't use it. There are no technical problems with it as such. < 1294102993 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I find youtube-dl handy for things encoded with the wrong aspect ratio, black level too high, interlaced, or the like. < 1294102997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Except sucking. < 1294103001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There is no such thing. < 1294103001 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how does it suck? < 1294103006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Every way! < 1294103018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you are not helpful in the least < 1294103030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You see, it sucks. < 1294103032 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, stop being a turd. < 1294103034 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, batch download of something I don't want to watch *right now* but would like to watch later. < 1294103038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuuuuurd < 1294103040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You love that word. < 1294103043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, either say /why/ it sucks or shut up. < 1294103048 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Stop being a dumbass. < 1294103050 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no I don't. I used it once here. < 1294103053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because it sucks. < 1294103054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, quite. < 1294103062 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294103065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm actually just trying to irritate him which is working splendidly. < 1294103068 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, ignore added < 1294103074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: See, dumbass! < 1294103080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How surprising. I bet it'll last for a whole ten minutes. < 1294103086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: To be fair, it's Vorpal and he always deserves it. < 1294103088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, just use /ignore as well :) < 1294103107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nah, he's not pissing me off. < 1294103110 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Now there is such thing as 8-dots-ellipsis because I had just used it. < 1294103123 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short-term stupidity is not enough to anger me, or even care too much about. < 1294103124 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, he is however a dumbass as usual < 1294103132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As usual"? < 1294103140 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a different kind of punctuation than ellipsis because it is different use. < 1294103140 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, he's usually fairly intelligent. < 1294103144 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well okay he has moments where he lacks that < 1294103147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Tuuuuuuuuuurds < 1294103147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, quite often even < 1294103158 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, BUT these dumbass moments are quite regular. < 1294103163 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, yes, pieces of fecal matter. < 1294103166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, every few days < 1294103173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurds < 1294103181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What Vorpal fails to understand is that I optimise solely for irritating him < 1294103200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. Vorpal is wrong, he's used "turd" on here twice before. < 1294103239 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates knowing that everything sucks.
< 1294103246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't fix it! I'd have to rewrite everything! < 1294103270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every: OS, browser, emulator, compiler, etc. sucks ass. < 1294103276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially emulators. < 1294103278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks log to see if elliott became saner
< 1294103280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope < 1294103286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Turds turds turds. < 1294103289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turds turds turds. < 1294103292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURDS. Turds turds. < 1294103295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you've been logreading all this time. < 1294103296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuuuuuurds < 1294103298 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of only a handful that even emulate the system in question well. < 1294103299 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is that a real sentence? < 1294103302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Please ignore me forever.) < 1294103304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. < 1294103310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You don't need to rewrite the OS, just use @. < 1294103318 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"17:06:40 P.S. Vorpal is wrong, he's used "turd" on here twice before." <-- as a matter of fact, you used the word before too. And using a word more than once doesn't really mean you love it. It wasn't recently in any case. < 1294103320 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fewer still that have a usable UI. < 1294103325 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precisely one with readable code. < 1294103328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Turdy turdy turd < 1294103330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is, amazingly, in C++.) < 1294103337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: @@@ < 1294103353 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, readable C++. < 1294103390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION WTFs at iCraft
< 1294103392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: @ @ @ best os ? best os < 1294103403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what about it < 1294103416 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what is in readable C++ hm? < 1294103422 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portals that just teleport to the same world? < 1294103428 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best operating system is plan 9 < 1294103432 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bsnes. < 1294103435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's cool people did Portal esque stuff with it < 1294103435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1294103441 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, look at it. < 1294103445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: plan 9 is kinda lame. < 1294103452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a major improvement on unix but still way, way too little. < 1294103452 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's true. < 1294103456 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, like, executable documentation of an SNES. < 1294103457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, genera was clloser. < 1294103461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*closer. < 1294103487 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with genera is it doesn't have plan9's gui < 1294103500 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but does it use enhanced cweb? *ducks* < 1294103511 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it doesn't. < 1294103524 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Sgeo WTFs at iCraft <-- ? < 1294103533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: plan 9's gui is better than most GUIs but wildly substandard. < 1294103540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: genera's UI was nicer because it was basically Emacs. < 1294103555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly Plan 9's was more flexible. < 1294103556 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the standard is the average, not the median < 1294103559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Genera makes up for that by using Lisp.) < 1294103562 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294103587 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but does it use CWEB or any variant of CWEB? *peoples* < 1294103589 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-57-8.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1294103595 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: NEIN < 1294103597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aardvarks* < 1294103655 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the reason why i like calculators made out of ttl logic is that you can't write a kernel for them, precluding the whole os debate. < 1294103664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: today i uploaded an interlaced video to my sight which claims to be xhtml but is in fact subtly invalid on every page and sent out of text/html < 1294103665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: riiight < 1294103698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it was about downloading a bunch of GoodSNES ROMs and playing them with ZSNES, which I praised as the best piece of software ever written < 1294103721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i also mocked bsnes for having ridiculous system requirements < 1294103739 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zsnes is really well made < 1294103772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, why could you not make a calculator with TTL logic capable of running an OS? < 1294103775 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory I mean < 1294103781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: It's very good assembly code. Its emulation leaves much to be desired these days, though. < 1294103783 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fuck you. < 1294103785 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you would need more than the standard components < 1294103797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hahahahahahahaha successful trolling < 1294103800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should actually do that < 1294103815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: zsnes is actually terrible. < 1294103827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it's basically a collection of hacks to make the most popular games work and nothing else. < 1294103841 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, my experience with it was very good. < 1294103849 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Like most emulators, sadly. < 1294103851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, just about any emulator can run $game. < 1294103854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nothing new. < 1294103869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: except for MAME!111 except MAME is, like, actively developed to be as useless for actually playing things as possible. < 1294103875 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always felt very solid and fast and the options it provided always set it apart from other emulators < 1294103883 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make something like TRIP test but meant to test NES emulator, SNES emulator, GameBoy emulator, etc. < 1294103907 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Among other things, zsnes will change the emulated clock rate to work around bugs in its emulation. < 1294103908 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because then it'd be more than a calculator < 1294103908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honest. < 1294103924 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, well but nothing in TTL logic precludes it < 1294103926 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, emulators are always funny < 1294103938 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, but the word "calculators" does < 1294103943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, also no. my TI-83+ is still a calculator. graphing calculator. < 1294103943 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Not all emulators are like that. < 1294103948 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, with flash < 1294103949 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1294103954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, but it is a calculator < 1294103956 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not discrete ttl logic < 1294103960 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Though bsnes has somewhat high system requirements, it's very good... < 1294103964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, indeed. < 1294103974 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: you can turn bsnes down btw to get something that runs fast with slightly lower compatibility < 1294103977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still vastly more than zsnes though < 1294103986 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember if i'd ever used bsnes < 1294103991 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, but then we seen that nothing in either "TTL logic" NOR "calculator" precludes being unable to have an OS < 1294103999 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current gripe is not having a working DS emulator < 1294104000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: zsnes in and of itself is not a problem, although I don't know why you'd use it; the problem is people who advocate it blindly and malign things like bsnes for no reason. < 1294104001 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: bsnes's performance profile will accurately emulate all but 1 licensed game and all but a handful of demos. < 1294104008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Indeed. < 1294104016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, thus follows that a calculator in TTL logic could have an OS < 1294104017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: snes9x is better at "I just wanna play a game on this low-end machine", FWIW. < 1294104018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Than zsnes.) < 1294104040 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVt9dgpxwF4&feature=related what's the point of making the stripes go all the way down? < 1294104049 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it has some other profile than "performance"? < 1294104052 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Its accuracy profile emulates every SNES game accurately except for 2, and the ones that use the Satellaview expansion. < 1294104061 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Performance, compatibility, accuracy. < 1294104069 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, compat does what? < 1294104076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, even more performance than performance? < 1294104098 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any sort of thing similar to TRIP test but is meant for testing accuracy of SNES emulation and so on? < 1294104104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, also wait. performance: all but 1. accuracy all but 2? < 1294104105 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1294104109 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's lower performance than the performance profile, but it has a somewhat more accurate CPU and PPU emulation. < 1294104119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's an ascending scale < 1294104122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :performance does almost all shit < 1294104129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compatibility does almost all + 1 (I think everything?) < 1294104132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, wait, I forgot to mention the 2 that can't be emulated *at all* currently. < 1294104132 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, but the tense i used was present, i.e. "i like calculators (...)", not "i would like calculators (...)" < 1294104133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :accuracy does EVERYTHING PERFECTLY EVER. < 1294104139 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1294104140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ascending scale of system requirements. < 1294104141 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this means, existing calculators. < 1294104149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, okay < 1294104154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Those 2 use special chips in the cartridge which have not been reverse engineered yet. < 1294104167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah the fun of those < 1294104181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be 3, but SD Gundam GX's DSP chip got its program ROM dumped. < 1294104191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, last month. < 1294104191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1294104194 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes, snes9x always seemed faster i think < 1294104208 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember not being able to play zsnes but being able to play snes9x at some point < 1294104215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: omg i just realised, bsnes will be like awesome on this machine < 1294104224 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, on top of those and the Satellaview, you get lower compatibility with the other profiles. < 1294104234 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this opponent thought he was so clever stuffing his king behind the pawn so the only way I could not stalemate was to lose the pawn < 1294104237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The following two titles are unplayable, due to special on-cart DSPs whose program ROMs have not been extracted. < 1294104237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hayazashi Nidan Morita Shougi 1 (uses ST-0011 co-processor) < 1294104238 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hayazashi Nidan Morita Shougi 2 (uses ST-0018 co-processor) < 1294104239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything not in the above list is assumed to be fully compatible and bug-free.]] < 1294104247 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he lost 4 moves after taking the pawn to my rook < 1294104305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmm, bsnes tries to build with g++-mp-4.5 < 1294104306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's -mp- < 1294104336 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The compatibility profile makes a graphical effect on 1 single game stop working and a couple demos stop working, and the performance profile *in addition* might not have pixel-accurate rendering of frames on other games. < 1294104351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else ifneq ($(findstring Darwin,$(uname)),) < 1294104351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : platform := osx < 1294104351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : delete = rm -f $1 < 1294104353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else < 1294104355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1294104360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : else ifeq ($(platform),osx) < 1294104360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : compiler := gcc-mp-4.5 < 1294104360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the latter has reasonable system requirements? < 1294104366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That's a good sign the stock gcc won't work, isn't it. < 1294104386 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiprocessing ? < 1294104389 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, where reasonable means playable on a sempron 3300+ ;) < 1294104398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha great, the gcc shipping with os x doesn't do c++0x. < 1294104421 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the performance profile can't do in-game debugging, and it doesn't emulate the bizarre requirement that you need to wait a few clock cycles before reading the result of a divide or multiply. < 1294104442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is the NES perfectly emulated yet? < 1294104445 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does gcc ship with OS X now? < 1294104453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you install the developer tools, yes. < 1294104454 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought before you said it didn't. < 1294104456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like it always has < 1294104461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not in the very stock install, no. < 1294104465 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No official games care, but *many* ROM hacks will not do the necessary wait, because no other emulator handles that right. < 1294104468 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nestopia. < 1294104483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is it reaaaaaally perfect though? < 1294104509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does anything depend on that bizzare requirement < 1294104516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizarre* < 1294104539 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well unless it can emulate jitter in the master clock it's not perfect emulation < 1294104545 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also the category of homebrew games, in addition to official and ROM hacks. < 1294104552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Perfect assuming a flawless universe. :p < 1294104555 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No. But if you don't account for it, the game won't work on real hardware. < 1294104555 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe the master clock in the nes was a relaxation oscillator which was very funny < 1294104560 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to a crystal < 1294104562 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they cheaped out) < 1294104563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, fair enough < 1294104567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i.e., cycle exact. < 1294104570 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this made games do funny things < 1294104575 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why bsnes emulates it. < 1294104582 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow down and speed up depending on what instructions were being run etc < 1294104589 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that if the game runs on the accuracy profile, it will work on a real SNES. < 1294104601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Accuracy core uses a slower dot-based emulation of the S-PPU rather than the traditional scanline-based method found in other SNES emulators. The Compatibility core uses the scanline-based rendering with code speedups that obfuscate the source code to an extent" < 1294104605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, what a strange text from Wikipedia. < 1294104610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That text links to the article on code obfuscation. < 1294104612 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there no good ds emulator? < 1294104614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it saying? "Performant code is ugly?" < 1294104625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, isn't there one semi-decent? < 1294104628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Isn't NO$GBA meant to be popular. Or DeSmuME. < 1294104630 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's not obfuscated, it's just optimised rather than being clear documentation. < 1294104633 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no$gba sucks < 1294104637 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desmume sucks even more < 1294104639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Right. < 1294104651 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure who wrote that line in the Wikipedia article, but eeew. < 1294104664 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no$gba is terrible: no saves, games are halfway unplayable < 1294104667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: OK, what simple systems aren't perfectly emulated. :p < 1294104672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: IT SOUNDS LIKE FUN < 1294104673 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desmume is impossibly megaslow < 1294104683 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also games are unplayable < 1294104702 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Probably not the Gameboy Advance. < 1294104712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Definitely* not the Playstation. < 1294104717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Oo, we have different definitions of simple, my friend. < 1294104724 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And beyond that you're dealing with "insanely complex". < 1294104772 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay, okay, lowering it a bit, then. Gameboy Advance not emulated well, nor, to my knowledge, is the Virtual Boy. < 1294104779 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sega dreamcast < 1294104782 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1294104784 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sega saturn!! < 1294104785 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1294104788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: What about the original Gameboy? < 1294104808 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gambatte or KiGB are believed to be as accurate as humanly possible. < 1294104819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SUGGEST A SYSTEM < 1294104824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haOCJ8wL0OA < 1294104830 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gambatte is used in bsnes for its Super Gameboy emulation currently. < 1294104874 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The Magnavox Odyssey! < 1294104894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Insufficiently interesting :P < 1294104900 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is, in fact, *completely* unemulated. < 1294104923 0 :p_q!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294104930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ...really? < 1294104930 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294104937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Analogue circuitry. NO THANK YOU. < 1294104942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1294104953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Cycle-exact emulation is therefore utterly impossible on a digital machine :P < 1294104973 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Emulation of anything more recent than the SNES pretty much sucks ass. < 1294104978 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hmm, is the C64 perfectly emulated? < 1294104992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: VICE is pretty good, it's handled everything I've thrown at it and god knows C64 programmers do awful things to that machine. But? < 1294105005 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a troll right < 1294105014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: What is? < 1294105026 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the video! < 1294105030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: No, it's real. < 1294105036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: ly terrible. < 1294105063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: VICE seems to not be a perfect emulator... < 1294105073 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the voice at the end coming from offscreen sounds like zombo.com < 1294105078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: lol < 1294105079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :( < 1294105090 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's close. < 1294105091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The C64 is so complicated though, simply because of all the bugs and intricacies of implementation :P < 1294105100 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1294105100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, probably easier to leave the VICE people to finish the job < 1294105105 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO FURTHER THAN YOU HAVE EVER GONE BEFORE. SEGA SATURN. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE WITH SEGA SATURN. < 1294105110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Suggest another machine, then :p < 1294105113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANNA EMULATE < 1294105113 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELCOME TO SEGA SATURN < 1294105128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: You will have nightmares about Silver Head tonight. < 1294105133 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoxs64 appears to be perfect but DOESN'T HAVE SOURCE. < 1294105136 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's silver head again? < 1294105136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you ready... for the future? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA < 1294105137 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gameboy Advance. < 1294105145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: That guy. < 1294105147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the ad. < 1294105148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably simpler than the SNES to emulate. < 1294105152 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1294105153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Isn't the GBA pretty damn advanced though? :p < 1294105159 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i'd check out another promo < 1294105161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Lord knows the GBA emulators still get updated. < 1294105165 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i clicked and thought it can't be that bad < 1294105180 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after exactly 7 seconds i have realized how wrong i was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99iiUtPR-fM&NR=1 < 1294105197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's similar to the SNES in capability, except without all the things that make emulator authors cry. < 1294105201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.hoxs64.net/files/hoxs64.txt "Hoxs64 V1.0.0 BETA (c) 2001 David Horrocks" ""Core 2 Duo 1.5Ghz or Athlon 2Ghz or Pentium4 3Ghz." < 1294105202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIME TRAVELLER < 1294105205 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the 12th second i have paused because i couldn't watch on. < 1294105219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: SOLDIER ON < 1294105245 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in fact the Hoxs64 project is a secret prototype benchmark for future generations of computer processors < 1294105255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294105258 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(16 MHz ARM, 4/8 MHz GB-Z80, *no fucking crazy PPU*, and NO SPECIAL CHIPS. AT ALL.) < 1294105262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: oh god, that one you linked < 1294105264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: is the same one < 1294105266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, timed ignore expired < 1294105266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes to Silver Head < 1294105268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after saturngirl < 1294105268 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as they are released to the public, his nda allows him to add more architectures to the compatibility list < 1294105268 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1294105272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: turds turds turds < 1294105278 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, that ad, I think I saw myst in it < 1294105285 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the sega one) < 1294105327 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh damn, i hadn't even noticed < 1294105336 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i just paused on alienhead < 1294105339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: then it goes on to do all sorts of things, from skipping around < 1294105343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst advert or best advert? < 1294105345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't decide < 1294105359 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BTW, *most* emulators "still in development" don't focus much on improving emulation accuracy. < 1294105360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'll start a perfect emulation project for the GBA if you'll help. :p < 1294105363 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE INFINITE IS ATTAINABLE WITH SEGA SATURN < 1294105368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. Which is why it sounds fun. < 1294105374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also _easier_; I can just implement the behaviour directly. < 1294105376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amusingly. SNES9x actually does improve on accuracy. < 1294105384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: BUT YOU HAVE TO HELP because I'm supremely laz. < 1294105384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y. < 1294105388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC they now use the same sound emulation as bsnes. < 1294105395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : worst advert or best advert? <-- worst by far I ever seen < 1294105406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: BTW, NO$GBA is _meant_ to be a pretty good DS emulator for actually playing games... < 1294105412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But is it the worst or the _best_? < 1294105416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can imagine Lynch creating that. < 1294105418 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i know < 1294105430 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but it doesn't work for XX XY which immediately disqualifies it < 1294105435 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you only find out when you get to scene 8. < 1294105451 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it doesn't work in wine. < 1294105466 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FIrst and foremost, use Byuu's libco. < 1294105472 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the one with the woman looks like it would be against Swedish law. Gender discrimination. < 1294105473 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That alone will save you a lot of effort. < 1294105483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as in, as an *ad* in Sweden < 1294105486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You mean the thing at the start? < 1294105489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes < 1294105492 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing at the start < 1294105493 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpA3RJyyVSk < 1294105498 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vectorman and ecco were really cool < 1294105500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What if it was immediately followed by the same thing with a man. < 1294105505 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one game i had never beat: the ooze < 1294105510 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was very fun too, but tough < 1294105512 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, doubt it would help if it was a man < 1294105523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: heh < 1294105529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Is libco anything but coroutines? < 1294105535 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope! < 1294105542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But there are hundreds of coroutine libs. < 1294105548 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also what was the target audience? kids? < 1294105550 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :libco's small and simple. < 1294105551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or older? < 1294105562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 13-year-olds who think it's cool. < 1294105565 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpNbx53ErzQ < 1294105566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: X-D Look at the first post on http://byuu.org/. < 1294105575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I sure hope he's not planning to upgrade that to Advance. < 1294105575 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if kids they would have been into /deep shit/ in Sweden with such an ad. < 1294105582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because then stricter rules apply < 1294105587 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He's not even intending to upgrade that to Color. < 1294105599 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about PC emulation (for playing those DOS games that no longer work well under modern OSes)? < 1294105610 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's meant to replace Gambatte for his Super Gameboy emulation. < 1294105616 0 :FireyFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1294105620 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294105620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Bochs is pretty much cycle-accurate PC emulation. < 1294105624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSBox is usually more useful, though. < 1294105627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fair enough then. < 1294105640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: So will you at least half-heartedly help with a GBA emulation project or do I have to be all alone :p < 1294105652 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may well help with it. < 1294105673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I wish I had a GBA flash cart so we could actually do hardware tests when necessary. < 1294105678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Hey, didn't you say you'd port bsnes' Qt UI to libsnes? Seems he's already done that and looking for a maintainer ... < 1294105696 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my megadrive, which is the japamanese original one" < 1294105701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maintainers have already stepped up before I saw that. :P < 1294105702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Also, that would be nice. Aren't they still sold? < 1294105712 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes-ish. < 1294105728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a consequence, the bsnes download page has removed reference to the old bsnes/Qt v070 release. This site will only focus on pure accuracy at any cost. I am hoping that the future Qt maintainer can set up a page for casual SNES emulator users to peruse." < 1294105735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he trying to... become an emulation academic? < 1294105742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ph.D. in emulation? < 1294105750 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it's possible later consoles actually change details. < 1294105759 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He actually did not graduate from high school. < 1294105759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I mean the flash carts. < 1294105766 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, totally. < 1294105769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nothing new. :p < 1294105775 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a GBA from launch. < 1294105779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoo. < 1294105785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I have an Advanced SP but not an original Advanced, but I'm faaairly sure they're absolutely identical internals-wise. < 1294105791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with a BACKLIGHT which is a killer feature. < 1294105796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, but not necessarily. < 1294105816 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SNES's smaller revision actually changed a lot of details, for instance. < 1294105830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, perfect gba emulation? cool < 1294105835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's atually frontlit. Ha. < 1294105835 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect gameshark emulation too? < 1294105840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Eh, I can always eBay. < 1294105844 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's effectively the same as a cheap SNES clone from China, as far as capabilities go.) < 1294105859 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, this means bsnes is more accurate than some "real" SNES's) < 1294105866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Paaatches welcome, I have no idea about the GBA hardware so this will basically be a diary of learning in version control form :) < 1294105885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I have no GBA hardware < 1294105893 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so I'm pretty much useless on this < 1294105895 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fairly cheap right now. < 1294105905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The hardware won't help me *much*; I'll probably end up scouring the web for documentation to start with. < 1294105908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not sure I really care enough to get a gba < 1294105918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, but the GBA is a really nice cons... sort of. < 1294105926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I can't actually think of many good non-Pokemon games for it really. < 1294105937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sonic Advance was decent. < 1294105938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT WHO CARES < 1294105941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, zelda's link awakening? < 1294105948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: GBC < 1294105954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yeah, the Zeldas are probably good, never got around to playing any Zelda games on GBA. < 1294105960 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh right. But I played it in visual boy advance? < 1294105963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, ports of good games. < 1294105971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Which also emulates the GB/GBC. < 1294105975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inaccurately, but hey. < 1294105980 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah, so this won't work in your emulator then? < 1294105985 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1294105986 0 :p_q!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294105991 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually not too much work to add GB or GBC emulation to a GBA emulator. < 1294106006 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well zelda is cool. Needs to be there and so on < 1294106006 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GBA uses the GB-Z80 for some sound effects. < 1294106015 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1294106030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *my emulator! < 1294106035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq is just helping because I'm forcing him to. < 1294106037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a wizard. < 1294106039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An evil wizard. < 1294106053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right got it. You are the figure head. < 1294106072 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1294106076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1294106080 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed a dot there < 1294106085 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294106095 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how painful the ARM is.
< 1294106137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: o god, i have to emulate an arm? < 1294106148 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Main CPU. < 1294106150 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, it's Thumb too. All new and modern. < 1294106154 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a 16 MHz ARM. < 1294106175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1294106180 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you reuse ARM code from qemu or something? < 1294106182 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a GB-Z80! < 1294106183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iPod, Lego Mindstorms, Roomba... < 1294106187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All use the same CPU. < 1294106192 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you really want to emulate is a directx8 pc for games < 1294106192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I doubt that's cycle-accurate. < 1294106195 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I beg to differ < 1294106197 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be fairly easy. < 1294106197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: qemu is very solidly not an accurate emulator. < 1294106200 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lego mindstorms NXT sure < 1294106206 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NXT, yes. < 1294106210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's like a half-JIT. < 1294106217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the only person with a shitty enough university to care about mindstorms >:) < 1294106220 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but RCX used a H8300 < 1294106230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maaybe not the GBA then... ARM sounds kinda painful. < 1294106231 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ennough with this mc < 1294106236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe but, maybe not. < 1294106236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably works just fine for emulating a Linux system, but game consoles tend to care about a lot of annoying details. < 1294106236 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey this I care about due to my free time < 1294106237 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight < 1294106242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: buy it and you can get on our server :p < 1294106249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ahh, so you're just hopeless then! < 1294106256 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, elliott anyway RCX has a Hitachi H8300 < 1294106258 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the CPU < 1294106263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitachi make CPUs? < 1294106266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, used to < 1294106269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Western Digital CPUs! < 1294106272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seagate CPUs! < 1294106273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAXTOR CPUS < 1294106273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they sold the division < 1294106276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QUANTUM CPUS < 1294106278 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanna do something < 1294106280 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of what though < 1294106283 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nvidia cpus next < 1294106286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: HELP ME WRITE A PERFECT GBA EMULATOR. < 1294106291 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird because I'm pretty sure it's like one thing < 1294106292 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no u < 1294106305 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ima go one-line more project euler in Haskell < 1294106306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ATI CPUs, yes; well, AMD Vision CPUs, which will just be called AMD CPUs. < 1294106307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes :P < 1294106310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: J bitch < 1294106323 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually bet the Atari is a royal pain to emulate. < 1294106326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Q: What do J users call the activity that other languages' users call "one-lining"? A: Half-charactering. < 1294106329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H8_Family < 1294106338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "H8 is the name of a large family of 8-bit and 16-bit microcontrollers made by Renesas Technology, originating in the early 1990s within Hitachi Semiconductor and still actively evolving as of 2006." < 1294106365 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I believe they were Hitachi when the first RCX were produced < 1294106374 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then later they become Renesas for later model RCX < 1294106385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not about to pry my two RCX open to check though < 1294106386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Renesas. Sounds terrorist. < 1294106412 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mr spock is having a seizure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvgteRnaIhA&feature=related < 1294106435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Before I get started on any of this though, I need to get Ubuntu installed. < 1294106443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as almost every game more advanced than Pong was actually exploiting unintended hardware features. < 1294106450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Look at what OS X gives me: < 1294106450 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say what? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytwbGVExWi8&feature=related < 1294106452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5664) < 1294106463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Did I mention you have to use -fnested-functions to get nested functions? For no reason? < 1294106470 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: am I a bad person: triangles n = (:) <*> (:[]) . (+1) < 1294106472 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bleck. < 1294106477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: haha they're smiling < 1294106484 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1294106485 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/n/ < 1294106504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that won't parse < 1294106505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think < 1294106506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more parens < 1294106516 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, displaying more than 2 sprites on the 2600 required using hardware bugs. < 1294106517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:01 elliott: @pl ((:) <*> (:[])) . (+1) < 1294106517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:01 lambdabot: ((:) <*> return) . (1 +) < 1294106519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: HTH < 1294106520 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, isn't .|. bitwise or in haskell? < 1294106530 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Umm, if you import Data.Bits I think. < 1294106534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: X-D < 1294106535 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah right < 1294106544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why? < 1294106546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Any console ideas that don't involve ARM? < 1294106549 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it always looked so dirty to me :P < 1294106566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about GBC? < 1294106566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yeah, you're doing bitwise manipulations, you should feel dirt. < 1294106567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dirty. < 1294106570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think had ARM < 1294106573 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: N64? < 1294106574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: GBC has been done perfectly, I believe. < 1294106576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had* < 1294106577 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1294106577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq can confirm/deny < 1294106582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, n64 yes! < 1294106589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Fuck you, man, N64 is where high-level emulators got INVENTED :P < 1294106602 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 100% game and demo compatibility has been achieved by two *different* emulators for the GBC. < 1294106608 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proper N64 rerecording emulation would be pretty big deal... < 1294106621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, quite. Will you help elliott on this? < 1294106624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, because nobody bothered emulating the RDP right. < 1294106629 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Don't believe his lies. < 1294106633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm not doing N64. Ever. < 1294106637 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1294106642 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXHM1I8wgtc&feature=related < 1294106657 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I'm actually unsure about the Sega family of systems. < 1294106671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even if the Singularity comes and we all get infinite lifespans to spend how I wish, and I perform every other possible action such that each action in the set can be performed in a time span of 700 billion years or less, < 1294106672 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Master System/Genesis/Game Gear) < 1294106680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even then will I write a cycle-accurate N64 emulator. < 1294106681 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As would be proper rerecording emulation of Sega Saturn or Sega Dreamcast... < 1294106686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*how we wish, < 1294106687 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which one was RDP then? < 1294106688 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(et cetra) < 1294106691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER. < 1294106693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Graphics. < 1294106696 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1294106707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You could upload microcode to it, and many games did this. < 1294106722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: N64 emulators just emulate the behavior of the microcode instead. < 1294106735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only will a metal ball the size of the sun be worn down by solar winds before I emulate the N64, but entire universes will be simulated from start to finish such that if each universe took up a quark it would result in a ball the size of the sun when packed together with no empty space between them at all. < 1294106748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even then, I will not write a cycle-accurate Nintendo 64 emulator. < 1294106749 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This works for a *large* number of games (because few people actually *wrote* microcode), but quite a few get left out. < 1294106754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: DO YOU UNDERSTAND YET < 1294106770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR AM I NOT BEING QUITE EXPRESSIVE ENOUGH < 1294106772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LET ME TRY < 1294106779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Cycle-accurate might be unneeded. < 1294106807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Even if your mother loses SO MUCH WEIGHT that she's actually NO LONGER CLASSED AS OBESE — which would take longer than the universe will last — I will not write a Nintendo 64 emulator. < 1294106813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways. < 1294106815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay, maybe if /that/ much time passes I will. < 1294106816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT NO SOONER < 1294106853 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :susan plays streets of rage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyaiGLITrN8&feature=related < 1294106855 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know of an accurate emulator for the Genesis. < 1294106864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I do not know of any good games for the Genesis. < 1294106871 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sonic Sonic Sonic! < 1294106881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Bah :P < 1294106901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that would be a *royal* pain if you want to emulate the 32x or the CD as well. < 1294106903 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should make an emulator that JUST runs sonic 1/2/3/k < 1294106917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write an emulator that JUST runs the 8-bit Sonic. < 1294106920 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy if you want to emulate the Game Gear or the Master System, or the SG-1000... < 1294106925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before they decided that the best way to market consoles was to make him run REALLY FAST. < 1294106929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Stupidest decision ever?) < 1294106939 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best stupidest decision ever. < 1294106956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst. < 1294106956 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sega's systems before the Saturn were based around the same hardware) < 1294106967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually /like/ most of the Sonic games. < 1294106976 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(many of them were even electrically compatible) < 1294106984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you reduce the majority of play to going really fast, you don't have any game left. < 1294107028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see http://newbreview.com/2010/07/22/retro-fix-sonic-the-hedgehog-8-bit/, btw) < 1294107075 0 :zeotrope!~65X32@unaffiliated/zeotrope JOIN :#esoteric < 1294107084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Maybe I'll perfectly emulate a seriously fucked up fictional system whose only game is I Wanna Be The Guy. < 1294107102 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do wanna be the guy < 1294107121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Perhaps I'll design my own architecture based on the IWBTG executable. "Why, this complicated Windows API call? Looks like a really long CPU instruction to me!" < 1294107131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that the .exe works as a ROM. :p < 1294107193 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBVn0g7fZTU&feature=related WTF < 1294107198 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dig straight down" < 1294107211 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good PC rerecording emulation would also be quite a deal (so far PC rerecording emulation is pretty much garbage). < 1294107223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Digging straight down is not deadly if you're, say, on the surface and just doing it for a few blocks ... < 1294107244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Rerecording is actually pretty easy if you've got cycle-accurate emulation. < 1294107262 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You pretty much just need the ability to serialise after a clock cycle, and restore that. < 1294107278 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2mpcssg274&feature=related < 1:20 < 1294107284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: How is that Nethack TAS going btw? < 1294107297 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the PC is freaking painful to do cycle-accurately. < 1294107304 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything changes from system to system! < 1294107318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Holy shit this is overcomplicated. < 1294107370 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Seems like turn 317, fighting The Wizard of Yendor. < 1294107373 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Of course, the PC is freaking painful to do cycle-accurately. Everything changes from system to system! <-- then you probably don't need it. Since nothing will assume cycle accurate anyway < 1294107375 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1294107381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: RNG hackery I presume? :) < 1294107386 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots. < 1294107394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You need it for perfect TASing. < 1294107404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the goal is basically "take as few cycles as possible". < 1294107404 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make an emacs emulator < 1294107409 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it only runs emacs. < 1294107412 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, perfect in the sense it could not be done on a real machine? < 1294107436 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it may be needed, but only for early PC games. < 1294107444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, the original IBM PC. < 1294107464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That applies to all TASes, pretty much. < 1294107471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: done, it's called emacs < 1294107479 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh snap. < 1294107496 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about emulating an lcd game? < 1294107502 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: egg harvest! < 1294107507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1294107548 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. < 1294107577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll emulate anything simpler than an ARM :P < 1294107585 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cray x-mp? < 1294107591 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ok < 1294107594 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :old nokia phone? < 1294107603 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Atari 2600? < 1294107605 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: bit pointless :P < 1294107616 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I thought you just said that wast he land of *insane* hardware glithces. < 1294107620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*was the *glitches < 1294107621 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I pretty much stopped watching, got distracted < 1294107628 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: *And* NTSC artifacts! < 1294107642 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not make a cycle accurate calculator emulator? Say, TI-82 or some such < 1294107653 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, no framebuffer. < 1294107654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Aren't there already? < 1294107654 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1294107655 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because who cares < 1294107656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculator_gaming < 1294107663 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't know if they are cycle accurate < 1294107665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know perfectly well tyvm < 1294107680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If people arnen't stupid enough they will understand that it is FAKE < 1294107680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DetHeMi 1 week ago < 1294107680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@DetHeMi lol, well done < 1294107681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WtfMinecraft 1 week ago < 1294107683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ^ < 1294107687 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why is arm so difficult to emulate? < 1294107694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it's just a complicated normalarchitecture < 1294107722 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Some newer consoles are probably worse than just dealing with the ARM, though. < 1294107734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, ones where you need to emulate a large number of CPUs. < 1294107743 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(looking at *you*, Sony.) < 1294107743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: dunno if it is fake though < 1294107751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it looks real enough, but it'd be one-use < 1294107752 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ds is just arm7 and arm9 or something like that < 1294107764 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I didn't even watch it < 1294107770 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking to someone >.> < 1294107779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is it Alluded-To. < 1294107784 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1294107796 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, generic cycle accurate ARM emulator. Then you can just add on some custom code for each of the ARM products. And you done lots of different consoles and tools < 1294107807 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHMiJFfsEj4&NR=1 < 1294107808 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could do a roomba emulator even (not sure why though!) < 1294107814 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram < 1294107816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ROOMBA EMULATOR OMG YES < 1294107822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'd put it in horrible mazes and watch it suffer. < 1294107832 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's roomba? < 1294107833 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I knew you would love that < 1294107834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then put it in a huge clean room with no obstacles because I feel sorry for it. < 1294107836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1294107840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: a robot that cleans. < 1294107845 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that thing < 1294107850 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: And the Gameboy is "just" an ARM7 and a GB-Z80. < 1294107853 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still a pain. < 1294107853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sayyygaaaaaah! < 1294107863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, Gameboy Advance. < 1294107870 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Gameboy is just a GB-Z80. < 1294107877 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1294107878 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what about GBC? < 1294107887 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Twice the clock rate, same CPU. < 1294107891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294107902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, palleting. < 1294107966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are you suuuure the GBC is cycle-perfected? < 1294107968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GB, sure, but GBC? < 1294108013 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycle-perfected? < 1294108028 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm haskell < 1294108030 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being lame < 1294108036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: emulated perfectly to cycle granularity < 1294108117 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GBC ? < 1294108134 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :garbage collection ? < 1294108149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: game boy colour < 1294108152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, we scheduled a day < 1294108221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Stop alluding to Alluded-To. < 1294108264 0 :calamari!~calamari@ip70-162-184-205.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294108330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : coppro: emulated perfectly to cycle granularity <-- what, no more < 1294108336 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about sub cycle? < 1294108346 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, emulate the actual transistors < 1294108352 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycle perfected = ? < 1294108352 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION knows little about emulation
< 1294108353 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with quantum noise! < 1294108373 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what about background radiation < 1294108379 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, that too of course < 1294108381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: cycle-perfect emulation < 1294108389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: i.e., perfect emulation down to the cycle level of every internal piece of hardware < 1294108407 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, and thermal noise of course < 1294108407 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nintendo DS is ARM7 and ARM9. Official games all use the standard ARM7 code, though. Homebrew games will use their own ARM7 codes, so you will need to emulate the ARM7 if you want to emulate homebrew Nintendo DS programs. < 1294108434 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh - lag < 1294108445 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lols at "quckly"
< 1294108455 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you want to emulate ds < 1294108455 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as though the flow of water will stop < 1294108463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no, way too much work < 1294108473 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: let me redefine < 1294108480 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you want to make an XX XY emulator < 1294108496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't :P < 1294108505 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good game :p < 1294108558 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a GameBoy game once, I had to add a extra VBLANK to make it work on Goomba emulator < 1294108606 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ I have 23 second lag now - so my questions/comments may seem a bit off - sorry } < 1294108664 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make a (working and usable) eniac emulator < 1294108669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no :P < 1294108671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those exist iirc < 1294108678 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usable < 1294108681 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's simpler than arm!!!! < 1294108695 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make a (working and usable) eniac emulator IN MINECRAFT < 1294108702 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1294108708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i've played the tic-tac-toe game on an eniac emulator iirc < 1294108728 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Very. < 1294108734 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Gambatte and KiGB do so. < 1294108735 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, don't take a productive member of society and encourage him to play minecraft < 1294108742 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just wrong < 1294108746 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: encourage? he needs no encouragement < 1294108755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ;_; < 1294108757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Dude, I already play Minecraft :P < 1294108766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm nooooot a productive member of society except by really strange definitions. < 1294108774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: With a cycle-accurate emulation, you can do mode 7-like effects on there. < 1294108789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY HAS EVERYONE GOT TO PLACES BEFORE I GET TO PLACES < 1294108796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with hardware that's on par with the NES. < 1294108857 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: unintended feature) < 1294108862 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i thought GBC wasn't very different from GB < 1294108868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't, but dammit :P < 1294108882 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: No it is basically the same. Just it is color < 1294108889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: And double clock-rate. < 1294108902 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is fairly easy to account for. < 1294108903 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It supports double clock-rate but you can switch it at run-time < 1294108910 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. < 1294108910 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, so why would gbc be that different from gb to warrant: GB, sure, but GBC? ? < 1294108929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: because the extra bits might not be perfect yet! :P < 1294108933 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GBC emulation comes almost for free from GB emulation. < 1294108940 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they might be rotting < 1294108950 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294108954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: [[Lastly, there was the case of Speedy Gonzales. In level 6-1, there is a switch that needs to be hit to finish the level. Up until recently, this game would lock up any emulator when it was hit. You can probably imagine why this was overlooked, but it's quite a big deal to play a game that long and instantly lose all of your progress due to an emulation bug. In this case, it actually turns out to be a bug in the game itself. B < 1294108955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ut as it works on hardware, it needs to work under emulation as well. It is reading from an unmapped memory address, and will not break out of this loop until it gets the value it wants. As it turns out, after so many tests, eventually the read will happen immediately after an HDMA transfer, which will update the S-CPU's memory data register, giving the game the value it needs to break out of the loop.]] < 1294108963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byuu: you are crazy. < 1294108970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, yes he is. < 1294108984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :byuu: we won't hold it against you if you just lie down for a day. srsly. < 1294108986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :promise. < 1294108989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relax. < 1294109011 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He actually doesn't do *too* much of the hardware testing. < 1294109027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though his dump-all-SNES-games project is positively crazy. < 1294109035 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the awesome sort of way, of course. < 1294109044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[blargg's S-DSP core is known to be 100% bit-perfect to real hardware, with the one exception that the mute command is instant, and does not exhibit a very fast fade-out effect.]] < 1294109045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UN < 1294109046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC < 1294109047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCKING < 1294109048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CEPTABLE! < 1294109056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRASH IT OUT AND WRITE A NEW ONE < 1294109060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THROW < 1294109063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Analog... < 1294109076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pingveno: EMULATE < 1294109076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PURE < 1294109077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANALOGUE < 1294109078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIVERSE < 1294109080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pikhq: < 1294109111 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EMX8qIgWOs < 1294109122 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE ACTION < 1294109197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Srsly, computers should come with reprogrammable analogue hardware. :D < 1294109202 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make a cycle accurate emulation of a DX-7 with the option of scaling it up to 64 fs < 1294109217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Those sound effects are fake, right? < 1294109221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it actaully hooked up to a speaker? < 1294109222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actually < 1294109225 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think so < 1294109226 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you know how to make up such computer hardware? < 1294109229 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Y'know who's crazy? Dr. Decapitator. < 1294109246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Anyone who purports to be a doctor and then decapitates people is crazy. < 1294109249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Nope. < 1294109253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMmUciXRMaI&feature=related realistic < 1294109257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd think what < 1294109258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fake or speaker < 1294109265 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He decaps chips for MAME, and has been doing so for bsnes as well. < 1294109279 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was replying to the first < 1294109290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I should write a CYCLE-ACCURATE emulator of the MT-32. < 1294109293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Note: The MT-32 is analogue. < 1294109298 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there's even any sort of pcm sound on the ti 83 < 1294109303 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Seriously, why don't computers come with reprogrammable analogue. < 1294109310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: just generate raw pcm data and send it over a wire :D < 1294109311 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :se'hųku ni site, ne. < 1294109314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what < 1294109324 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw that halo 3 thing too < 1294109324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commit suicide, right? < 1294109326 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the TI-83 has no built-in sound at all (although you could connect an external speaker) < 1294109333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: clearly < 1294109358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It had a TSR jack connected to a UART... < 1294109367 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You could *probably* get square wave audio out of there. < 1294109379 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1294109387 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with PWM, you could totally emulate normal sound < 1294109393 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: If you have such a calculator, could you try that? < 1294109394 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what frequency did the uart work at? < 1294109457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The past three years have been amazing. I know that SNES emulation can never be 100% perfect, but I finally feel that I have reached a point where I could walk away from bsnes and feel that my job is done. That the SNES hardware is very well preserved for future generations.]] < 1294109461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet he questions that not-100% thing now. < 1294109462 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : zzo38: You could *probably* get square wave audio out of there. <-- been done < 1294109486 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a TI-83+ but they connector is not a normal speaker connector I think < 1294109489 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is longer < 1294109501 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, 9600 kbit/s. Knowing how serial works, that gets you... 76.8 MHz audio. < 1294109513 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1294109515 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :76.8 MHz, 1 bit audio. < 1294109518 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that 9.6 mbit/s? < 1294109528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, 9600 bits/s. < 1294109529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1294109536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :76.8 kHz audio. < 1294109543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Ha. MAME SNES emulation is worse than something called "ESNES". < 1294109546 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is still enough for *recognisable* audio. < 1294109548 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a good enough audio to make a telephone noise? < 1294109551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, TI-83/83+ has crazy cable < 1294109554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, just saying < 1294109558 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1 bit < 1294109579 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of like 16 khz 4 bit audio < 1294109580 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the computer link had to include a PIC to deal with translating to something that the computer could use < 1294109611 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is going to go up to say 8 khz < 1294109618 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could do speech... very nasty speech < 1294109653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Oh, and believe it or not, until recently MAME/MESS used floating point for their synchronization counters.]] < 1294109653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barf < 1294109662 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, you could do chiptune style music < 1294109662 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf? < 1294109670 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 76.8 kHz is enough for anything isn't it? < 1294109681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telephone is generally done with 8 kHz, 8-bit mu-law audio. < 1294109683 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 1-bit. < 1294109689 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make a working mortal kombat trilogy arcade emulator, cycle-accurate < 1294109704 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, you could *definitely* get workable audio out of there. < 1294109712 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, BEEN DONE < 1294109724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said above < 1294109734 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, it could definitely work < 1294109738 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: someone would have to try it < 1294109748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, :P < 1294109754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be cool if someone did that < 1294109757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame it hasn't happened yet < 1294109758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why < 1294109764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, very droll < 1294109770 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe it's just a discovery waiting to happen?? < 1294109776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Let's try it out! < 1294109778 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe the ti 83 is actually skynet! < 1294109781 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program once on Linux that generates a lot of telephone noises, including: arbitrary frequency, red box, blue box, silver box, dial tone, busy signal, special information tones, ... < 1294109784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it IS possible. < 1294109786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Is it possible? < 1294109794 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1294109796 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's waiting for us to plug earphones into the port... a digital port, connected directly to our crania < 1294109805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: y/n? < 1294109807 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO FUTURE < 1294109817 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott µ < 1294109837 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: \0 < 1294109843 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :° < 1294109867 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There are a few things that could be more accurately emulated on the SNES, but not *much*. < 1294109883 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: such as? < 1294109887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That mute-thing strikes me as one. < 1294109895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be impossible to perfectly emulate the analogue behaviour of the fast fadeout. < 1294109896 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck hunt controller?? < 1294109908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Cx4, used by the Megaman X2 and X3, for instance. < 1294109909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: No, anything that isn't strictly digital. < 1294109915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is impossible, I think. < 1294109915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1294109917 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's just a simple RLC that can be easily emulated < 1294109918 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, bsnes uses a very accurate HLE. < 1294109926 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is easily emulated in thousands of existing softwares < 1294109928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I don't think a Turing machine can perfectly emulate an analogue sound effect. < 1294109931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Note *perfectly*. < 1294109933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it can do it very well. < 1294109935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not *perfectly*. < 1294109942 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not perfectly < 1294109954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Thus 100% SNES emulation is impossible with digital computing. < 1294109954 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but emulation is different from reproduction < 1294109961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: bsnes is very much a reproducer. < 1294109964 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean 100% snes reproduction < 1294109967 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulation is possible < 1294109969 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until recently, the DSPs were likewise. < 1294109969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, also called perfect emulation. < 1294109985 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/urandom is a 100% snes emulator, for my emulation goal < 1294109999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: emulation is not used in that way. < 1294110002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when referring to console emulation. < 1294110006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is used to mean reproduction. < 1294110012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually very inaccurate reproduction. < 1294110015 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the ST-0011 and ST-0010 are completely unemulated. < 1294110027 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, s/11/18/. < 1294110036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ST-0011 is partially emulated via HLE. < 1294110050 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i still say the DX 7 should be your goal < 1294110058 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a synclavier < 1294110061 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the fm part) < 1294110064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: i don't like synths :/ < 1294110068 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the fm part is actually very intricate) < 1294110072 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the synclavier is british! < 1294110072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might emulate an SK-1 :) < 1294110078 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should do it because of that! < 1294110091 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much a huge computer with sound output < 1294110120 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the Satellaview is effectively impossible to emulate. < 1294110125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION listens to Shnabubula's performance of All Blues.
< 1294110132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(due to having been unusable for years now) < 1294110137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wondrful. < 1294110160 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://retrothing.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/sync.jpg < 1294110169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SR < 1294110172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y TOO BUSY LISTENING TO JAZZ < 1294110174 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the left is a computer < 1294110190 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice huge ribbon cable connecting it to keyboard < 1294110191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fairlight cmi is insane isn't it < 1294110192 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you have a TARDIs it'd be easy. < 1294110196 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TARDIS, rather. < 1294110200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tards. < 1294110201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turds. < 1294110203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TURDIS. < 1294110215 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case you could even get a *dump* of all of the games for it. < 1294110218 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://retrothing.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/fmsynth.jpg THREE DEE! < 1294110222 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is likewise impossible) < 1294110234 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: meh, the fairlight ain't so hot < 1294110239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what games don't exist any more? < 1294110286 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The games were downloaded via satellite and stored on a flash cart. < 1294110306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: heh < 1294110318 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A dump can *only* exist if someone happened to keep it from when it was broadcast. < 1294110335 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, some of the games actually had voice acting via *live broadcast*. < 1294110345 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a different kind of emulation idea. You have in the emulator, emulation of various processors, video units, audio units, input units. etc. And then the file it loads indicates which ones are used and what memory mapping and a few other options. < 1294110346 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite a slow system clock the processor was extremely efficient at moving data around (a one cycle multiply/divide math's co-processor being very advanced for the time) so efficient in fact, that NASA used the computer on board space craft resulting in the processor being classed as classified computer equipment, not to be sold to countries outside the COCAM agreement and no technical details to be distributed outside of the United Sta < 1294110347 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tes. NED also developed their own Operating System, Scientific XP/L, again bypassing limitations of available Operating Systems. So with this dedicated processor it was possible to add new hardware as and when it became available, in some cases the additions enhancing the processor by sharing the workload with it. < 1294110357 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's not worthy of emulation what is < 1294110358 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: bsnes does this. < 1294110369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:05 pikhq: Also, some of the games actually had voice acting via *live broadcast*. < 1294110372 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, except it only handles the SNES, but hey. < 1294110372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is amazing. < 1294110375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, bsnes does that. < 1294110394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: http://ns2.opencollective.cc/music/Shnabubula/All+Blues+(VRC6)/ < 1294110398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND LISTEN TO THIS < 1294110400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe three times < 1294110401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or four < 1294110415 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :404 Error: Page Not Found < 1294110415 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, we are unable to find the page you've requested. If you've typed the URL yourself, check for any spelling mistakes you might have made. If you've followed a broken link, bla bla bla. Please click back or visit our homepage at 8bc.org. < 1294110419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1294110423 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Satellaview_broadcasts If it has SoundLink support, it's literally impossible to reproduce the game without a time machine. < 1294110425 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, bad cp < 1294110431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: http://8bc.org/music/Shnabubula/All+Blues+(VRC6)/ < 1294110433 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, better now < 1294110444 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even *if* you have the ROM. < 1294110450 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :miles davis would have approved < 1294110464 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yea it's good < 1294110477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: have you heard it before or did you make that judgement based on three seconds :-P < 1294110482 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking something a bit different. A more general form. And the loaded file, instead of the ROM file, is a collection file. You then convert it for the official or homebrew game or whatever you run. < 1294110493 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1294110498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: which < 1294110518 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard it before in the normal form.. and i made that judgement based on three seconds < 1294110519 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294110549 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you know of the midibox sid? < 1294110567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it's probably worse than e.g. the hardsid. < 1294110572 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1294110575 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much better < 1294110582 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: What is a midibox sid? < 1294110584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: what, than the studio edition? < 1294110589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: http://www.hardsid.com/hardsid_4u.php < 1294110594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt /that/ < 1294110597 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the best update rate for the sid < 1294110603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: see above link < 1294110612 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: 8 khz isn't so bad. :p < 1294110623 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 khz is weak < 1294110628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're weak. < 1294110631 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a full user interface < 1294110641 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to hardsid being a non-interactive box < 1294110644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just buy a c64 and wire up data ports to it, it's the only way to get the real sound < 1294110647 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you point and click and go to sleep < 1294110673 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Microsoft Vista compatible < 1294110676 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1294110686 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll use it with my vista! < 1294110688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :marketing. < 1294110689 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i don't have. < 1294110696 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, shows who they make it for < 1294110697 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1294110714 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the midibox sid is compatible with any operating system that can access a UART < 1294110721 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't beat that < 1294110736 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has OSC < 1294110750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: the UART is just the politically correct version of the LART. < 1294110753 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is also compatible with any operating system that can somehow communicate with ethernet < 1294110784 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LART is a single-board computer (SBC) designed by staff of the University of Delft/Netherlands. The creators advertise complete layout by means of CAD files ... < 1294110788 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulate that! < 1294110800 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, the midibox sid is cool < 1294110804 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooler than cakes < 1294110832 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i hung out with the guy who made it at his flat :p we did a rock-out nite with some other dudes < 1294110860 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think 31 character for each original and destination word forms is enough for plural making rules? < 1294110896 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you're talking about airplanes < 1294110914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*airplanae < 1294110918 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(remember that volcano?) < 1294110918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aeroplanae < 1294110930 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aeaeroplaenae < 1294110937 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about airplanes? < 1294110951 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: What does this have to do with airplanes? < 1294110964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :æroplænæ < 1294110968 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a volcano with a long name obscuring flights lately < 1294111026 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :æρplænæ < 1294111077 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was right < 1294111083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1294111084 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's good) < 1294111095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an achievement < 1294111124 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kno rite < 1294111140 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want to hear freddie freeloader done like this < 1294111147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: http://kindofbloop.com/ < 1294111151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it's from a whole remake of the album < 1294111152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy < 1294111153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$5 < 1294111162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pirating it works but it's kind of a dick since the royalties cost $$$$loads < 1294111168 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is $5 some sort of memory address? < 1294111169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brought to you by http://waxy.org/ < 1294111172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it's a price. < 1294111184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kindofbloop.com/samples/02_freddie_freeloader_sample.mp3 :p < 1294111222 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is flac formed? < 1294111228 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ærœplænə < 1294111234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kind of Bloop is available for digital download in high-quality MP3 and FLAC format for $5.00, cheap." < 1294111237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: it's just the sample /shrug < 1294111244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember when it was still in Kickstarter phase < 1294111247 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i know, but i need the flac < 1294111249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the royalties cost ridiculous amounts < 1294111255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: for the _30 second preview_? < 1294111255 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1294111261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: the All Blues you listened to was mp3. < 1294111262 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: of course not < 1294111266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so buy it :P < 1294111274 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they should've made it free < 1294111281 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly, no royalties! < 1294111283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: impossible, with the costs < 1294111284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: nope < 1294111286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not true < 1294111290 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so < 1294111298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :find the blog posts yourself, i'm too lazy < 1294111304 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, wait < 1294111307 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what royalties? < 1294111311 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a new performance < 1294111318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember exactly. it's stupid music industry bullshit < 1294111320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the kickstarter: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/waxpancake/kind-of-bloop-an-8-bit-tribute-to-miles-davis < 1294111325 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't own/copyright/patent a MELODY < 1294111327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To create this album, I hope to raise $2,000 to pay royalties, pay the artists, and print CDs. Legally releasing cover songs requires paying mechanical licenses to the song publishers through the Harry Fox Agency, totaling about $420 for every 250 downloads and a $75 processing fee. I'll be using the remainder to print a very limited run of CDs for Kickstarter backers, and split the rest evenly among the five musicians for their pains < 1294111327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking work. (This is a labor of love for me, so I won't be keeping a dime.) < 1294111328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: ^ < 1294111329 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: BTW, that was Eyjafjallajökull. < 1294111341 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence, any new performance is a new thing. < 1294111343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: ^ < 1294111353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: your opinions are irrelevant in the face of what is actually the case. < 1294111405 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hopes that what cheater99 said is true
< 1294111405 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294111413 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not fully sure on the legal aspect of this < 1294111417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it is, as demonstrated by my quote, false. < 1294111422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyright law is fucked up, that is obvious and irrelevant. < 1294111424 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, I've participated in copyright infringement, as so has AWLD < 1294111425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odd word construction courtesy of being a fairly conservative North Germanic language. < 1294111427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is relevant is what is the actual case < 1294111435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OH GOD COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT < 1294111436 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think there's some confusion in that post. < 1294111436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEEL BAD < 1294111437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FEEL EVIL < 1294111438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE THE WORST < 1294111444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: well, i don't. < 1294111452 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, companies should be more careful than individuals < 1294111466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: andy baio /has/ been at this for _rather_ a long time < 1294111467 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's ok, since we have separate consciousnae < 1294111483 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can think opposite thoughts. < 1294111508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: face it, even if it is the case, legally, the agency could sue him off the face of the earth < 1294111510 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawyer costs etc < 1294111555 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAMESTATE RECALCULATION < 1294111598 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i still think eniac in minecraft is yet to be done < 1294111610 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that freddie freeloader sample is not interesting at all i fear < 1294111618 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds fairly... simple. < 1294111623 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did John Cage use any dynamics in his 4'33" music? < 1294111631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: 30 seconds != however long freddy freeloader is < 1294111652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: just checked. you heard a whopping 5% of the track. < 1294111658 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the original had much more depth and wasn't full of shitty little kiddie arpeggios that made no sense < 1294111673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds fine to me. < 1294111687 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other track we have listened had translated the depth much better < 1294111692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have to be a 1:1 replica. < 1294111706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depth is a vague and subjective concept; it seems you are just trying to belittle it without actually making any arguments that it's an inferior work. < 1294111709 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but 1:00000000000000000000000.1 isn't good either < 1294111718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: you mean 1:0.1? < 1294111722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why you bothered with those 0s. < 1294111736 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he means s/1:0/1:10/ ? < 1294111747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt it. < 1294111752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably 0.0[...]1 < 1294111754 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a subconscious tactic of showing my perceived worth < 1294111764 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of that piece of music. < 1294111774 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice very many zeros < 1294111780 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or s/0(0*)\./0.$1/ ? < 1294111781 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one tiny tiny digit one < 1294111799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... is ridiculous < 1294111803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:0.000000000000000000001 sure < 1294111805 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as far as in the light of law i only said it's worth only 10 times less < 1294111809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 1:00000000000000.1 is exactly 0:.1. < 1294111818 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your subconscious knows, i really mean zero. < 1294111824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are full of shit. < 1294111825 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES < 1294111830 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i tricked you < 1294111840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: anyway it's rather pretentious to listen to an entire 11 minute work and then say that a 30 second sample of a 10 minute work is inferior. < 1294111842 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's exactly 0.1 < 1294111845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to listen to the entire thing to make that kind of judgement. < 1294111862 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think being pretentious is what makes us human < 1294111873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say that only because you are pretentious. < 1294111887 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be pretentious of me to admit? < 1294111908 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not saying the rest of the song must be bad < 1294111925 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying: the part i heard wasn't translated as well as comparable parts in the other song < 1294111951 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if i had a flac edition of the whole album, that might change my perception completely < 1294111991 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as i don't... i'll probably never see the light on the topic of how good the adaptation really is < 1294112038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm going to cycle-perfectly emulate YOUR CURRENT COMPUTER. < 1294112040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the program: < 1294112045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run it and it shall be perfect. < 1294112054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: You could just, you know, spend $5. < 1294112085 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that includes a lot of assumptions < 1294112103 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that are not true not accordingly to my will or ability < 1294112115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Such as? < 1294112116 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you cite this article? http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Plurals.html I see nothing about a journal or book it is published in. Do you know what journal or book it belongs to? < 1294112130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Interestingly, people publish work without it being inside a journal or a book. < 1294112135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In this case, it is a "web page". < 1294112137 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have a reliable repeatable way of doing the spending < 1294112144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: does it need to be repeatable? < 1294112150 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294112157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Are you planning on buying the album numerous times? < 1294112172 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but it needs to because there are other things such that those things are of value $5 < 1294112190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: You're not being pretentious now, just stupid. < 1294112203 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying i need to be able to buy breakfast too < 1294112212 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Then how can it be cited in the bibliography? < 1294112217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: However you want. < 1294112227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Are you currently out of $5 each time you buy breakfast? < 1294112228 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: look how wikipedia does it!!!! < 1294112234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, don't < 1294112240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when in doubt, if wikipedia does something, do the opposite < 1294112249 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, because sometimes i don't buy breakfast < 1294112259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: but breakfast is a great thing. < 1294112274 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for those who have a repeatable source of $5's < 1294112290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Does a repeatable source of $5s not fund your internet? BREAKFAST OR INTERNET: THE SHOWDOWN < 1294112299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://board.byuu.org/images/challenge.jpg BYUU'S FORUM WANTS ME TO DO SIMPLE ALGEBRA AT 3:37 AM WHY DOES HE HATE ME < 1294112300 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :internets are free < 1294112309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION expert wolfram alpha
< 1294112310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: orly < 1294112314 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $5s are not available during this month or two < 1294112344 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I include the name of the university in the citation? < 1294112369 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a university website < 1294112373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I wouldn't. < 1294112376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's his work, not the uni's. < 1294112398 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if it's a private website don't < 1294112411 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the name of the university is listed at the top of the article. (I already put Damian Conway's name in the citation) < 1294112417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a private website that happens to be hosted on a university. :p < 1294112423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, but that's standard practice in "papers" of any sort. < 1294112431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No harm in crediting, I suppose, but I think it's purely his work. < 1294112442 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't bibliography citations usually list the publisher though? < 1294112446 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :miscrediting citations can be big beef < 1294112449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The publisher is himself in this case. < 1294112453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He put the file there. < 1294112455 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to credit someone's work to something else < 1294112464 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. Then I will just put his name, the title, and the URL. < 1294112465 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is the TeXnicard source available? < 1294112468 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Algorithmic Approach to English Pluralization < 1294112468 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damian Conway < 1294112468 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :School of Computer Science and Software Engineering < 1294112468 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monash University < 1294112468 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clayton 3168, Australia < 1294112473 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just his contact info, that's all < 1294112479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1294112480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: agreed < 1294112483 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author is the second line < 1294112512 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if it was: < 1294112521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damian Conway, Evil Overlord < 1294112522 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, so far only incomplete versions on sprunge, but eventually it will be available properly when version 0.1 is complete enough to publish in this way. < 1294112523 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Algorithmic Approach to English Pluralization < 1294112523 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :University of Buckdoodle, Damian Conway < 1294112524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to credit that part too < 1294112528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: finished your sentence for you < 1294112531 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you'd credit the university < 1294112538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: or even "Damian Conway, University of Nowhere" < 1294112544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Can I see the current version, please? < 1294112557 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK. Just a minute... < 1294112571 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why thank you, that was very nice of you to finish that sentence < 1294112587 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means i can now go to sleep, and you can continue saying things i would say < 1294112631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi I'm cheater99 and I kill puppies for fun < 1294112639 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and profit < 1294112643 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/TKVI < 1294112669 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Any comments to make about it? < 1294112683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me skim it first :) < 1294112683 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those dalmatians will make for a BEAUTIFUL fur!! mwahahahahah! < 1294112707 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now i'm off to dream about uranusgirl and silver head < 1294112786 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you and good night < 1294112828 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol uranusgirl < 1294112928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How likely is it that anyone can convince byuu to never use XML again. < 1294112954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not very. He wrote a very simple XML parser. < 1294112963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But WRONGNESS. < 1294112987 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from only handling UTF-8 instead of UTF-8 and UTF-16, it seems to be a correct implementation of *just* XML. < 1294113033 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame, though, that he couldn't be convinced to use a better scheme instead. < 1294113040 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you also want to see the current (incomplete) version of the file "plain.cards" (Plain TeXnicard), "texnicard_format.tex" (TeX format file for Plain TeXnicard), or "system_book_conv" (AWK program to compile a book describing the other two files)? < 1294113104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: plain.cards < 1294113140 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://sprunge.us/UCBc < 1294113146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1294113195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/98753-Ultra-Rare-NES-Cartridge-Sells-for-41-000 < 1294113265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Apparently it'd been dumped before though X-D < 1294113278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[So ok, I guess this isn't some avid gamer desperately wanting to play the game (the game has been dumped afaik and a NES console + flash cart and/or PC capable of running Nestopia would cost a lot less). < 1294113278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the most likely reason anyone would buy at that price is because they hope to resell it even higher in a decade or so. At least that's the only "sane" reason I could find. So it's basically game speculation. That or the person(s) who bought this are billionaires and like to waste their money for shits and giggles.]] < 1294113399 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Or it's a collector of some sort. < 1294113409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A crazy collector :P < 1294113415 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. < 1294113424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Shit, I'm tempted to get a box professionally printed and sealed now. < 1294113425 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to be if you want, say, the entire NES set. < 1294113451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Put a dumped cartridge inside (with professional label etc.), age the box slightly, get it professionally sealed... $41k is mine. < 1294113459 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the entire US SNES set, like Byuu does. < 1294113528 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So crazy. < 1294113979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=838 Dear god @ during. < 1294113989 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any comment about the TeXnicard files, yet? < 1294113995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No. seems good < 1294114138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sometimes I wish I had focused on the Sega Genesis instead. They only have one special chip, which was only used by one game :/" < 1294114141 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TARGET MARKET < 1294114167 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The Genesis had more than one special chip, they just got released as seperate consoles. :P < 1294114175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sega CD and 32X. < 1294114216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[I think it is our very own AamirM who made Regen, which basically what could be called "bgen" (as in, an accuracy focused Genesis/Mega Drive emulator).]] < 1294114217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHEESH < 1294114218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furrfu < 1294114219 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And arguably the Genesis *was* a "special chip" for the Master System. < 1294114268 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any suggestions and/or questions about TeXnicard? (Or about related things?) < 1294114270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AamirM is also working on an N64 emulator. < 1294114294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And yes, N64 emulation is rather poor and most N64 emulation projects are no longer active. If I had the skills, I'd give it a shot myself, but I'm afraid it's out of my reach. Anyone up for a team effort?" — guess that's happening then. < 1294114296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except not team. < 1294114300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, good night. < 1294114302 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294114333 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294114339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should get a list of all unregistered one-char domains some time. < 1294114343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294114448 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Including unicode or not? < 1294114474 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Oops] < 1294114547 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm - one character domain names that are not registered == roughly all of them < 1294114552 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for two < 1294114560 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they stopped registering them < 1294114628 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :x.org and q.com IIRC < 1294114653 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh - google tells me I'm wrong - there exist 5 < 1294114699 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Do you have any opinions about TeXnicard? < 1294114720 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Also, can they register unicode one character domain names? < 1294114785 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeXnicard? < 1294114832 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, unicode domain names are mapped to punycode < 1294114847 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there are no such thing as "single letter" unicode names < 1294116011 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I know that unicode domain names are mapped to punycode. But is there punycode name that represents a single unicode character which are registered? < 1294116022 0 :calamari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1294116048 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, as far as I am aware - yes < 1294116064 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, TeXnicard is,,, you can see the files: http://sprunge.us/TKVI http://sprunge.us/UCBc < 1294116207 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPLv3 :-( ah - its designed to create playing cards? < 1294116239 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is designed to create playing cards. < 1294116260 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything you do not like about GPLv3? < 1294116319 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its less free than in it could be and restricts commercial modification (and often therefore support) of the code < 1294116363 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does it restrict commercial modification? < 1294116366 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to play around with the code tomorrow to see what kind of cards I could create :-} < 1294116377 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: It is incomplete. You cannot create any cards yet. < 1294116392 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can make opinion of what I have so far. < 1294116463 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a company wants to base a product around the source code - for example MacOS/FreeBSD < 1294116481 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would have to release the source code - which means that they would probably not want to use that project < 1294116492 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means one less contributor (usually) < 1294116517 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) the GPL lies about freedom - making it seem that its a binary thing "either your free or your not" < 1294116530 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: a) That is the whole *point* of the GPL. < 1294116541 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: b) How does the GPL do that? < 1294116543 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the intention. That if someone wants to make something they have to give everyone else same permissions < 1294116551 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :c) its well documented < 1294116555 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re the project < 1294116562 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll look at it tomorrow < 1294116575 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, a) which is its weakness - I prefer copyfree licences < 1294116599 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) the GPL claims that it "is free" which makes no sense < 1294116646 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it is better to allow everyone to use the code - and encourage people to give back instead of force people to give everything which may scare people away < 1294116667 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it is OK if someone wants to make private modifications for their own use in their company to make cards with it. The GPL does not prevent that. < 1294116694 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, as soon as they distribute it they must provide all the source code < 1294116701 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means they likely won't use it < 1294116710 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus not help you if they fix anything < 1294116723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: This is a fallacious argument. < 1294116729 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, how so? < 1294116738 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: *Plenty* of companies make use of GPL software and make contributions to it. < 1294116750 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes - but plenty more avoid it like the plague < 1294116764 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, because of a lack of understanding of how it works. < 1294116780 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, or because it would ruin their business model < 1294116791 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they were BSD licensed there is nothing stopping anyone from contributing in the same way as the GPL < 1294116792 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a common thought that by using GPL licensed software, you need to release *all source code ever*. < 1294116795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is patently false. < 1294116810 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you must release all source code that is a derivative work < 1294116815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why yes. < 1294116824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with the BSD license you don't need to. < 1294116833 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with most software licenses *you can't make derivative works*. < 1294116837 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so imagine if apple were forced to release *all* of their source code < 1294116844 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ie if FreeBSD were GPLed) < 1294116861 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the BSD licence you are allowed to < 1294116864 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Apple releases the code for everything from BSD... < 1294116869 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I know < 1294116883 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a company wants to use it to produce their own cards, they do not need to release the source code to the program. The cards are just output. (Actually, I don't know if "plain.cards" changes this? If so, I should add an exception in the "plain.cards" file to ensure you are allowed to produce proprietary cards with this program) < 1294116884 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And uses quite a bit of GPL software. < 1294116890 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GCC, WebKit, etc._) < 1294116893 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it were GPL it would be required to release all of the OS code - not just the kernel parts < 1294116901 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1294116908 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just all the derivative works. < 1294116915 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which they do even when not obligated to. < 1294116924 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, and since linking with inner interfaces could be considered a deriv. work < 1294116937 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, merely executing *on* an OS does not a derivative work make. < 1294116949 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes, I'm aware < 1294116954 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If FreeBSD were GPL, it would change hardly *any* of Apple's behavior at all. < 1294116963 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they comply already. < 1294116968 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, not at all < 1294116971 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By choice. < 1294116992 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, they would be forced to release any and all code that is a deriv. of the FreeBSD work < 1294117000 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would include a large majority of the OS < 1294117005 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Funny, they have. < 1294117005 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just the darwin kernel < 1294117026 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "plain.cards" and "texnicard_format.tex" need a exception similar to the font exception? < 1294117049 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only things in OS X without source code available are, in essence, things that support their UI. < 1294117106 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cocoa, Carbon, and the like. < 1294117108 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do you know enough about the GPL to know whether or not this exception would be needed? < 1294117166 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Uh, I think it would need almost precisely the font exception. < 1294117168 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which in theory could be considered a deriv work < 1294117175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: It isn't. < 1294117184 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Speaking as someone who has actually read copyright law, it isn't. < 1294117203 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I think it would require the font exception -- or just use a license that doesn't restrict distribution < 1294117203 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even remotely. < 1294117231 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, speaking as someone who has read the licence, read copyright law, worked for a copyright attorney, and has two patents.... < 1294117248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And somehow you still don't seem to understand what a derivative work is. < 1294117255 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats! < 1294117265 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that the ad hominem is away < 1294117271 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you seem to not understand < 1294117273 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats < 1294117284 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GPL defines it in a specific way < 1294117305 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, true, the GPLv3 doesn't even use the term "derivative work", it uses something different... < 1294117323 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesseee. < 1294117327 0 :zeotrope!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1294117336 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, the basic idea is that interfacing using "private" methods results in a derivative work nearly always < 1294117368 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, "implementation of POSIX" (which is essentially all that OS X gets from the BSDs) is not exactly "private". < 1294117369 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, my point is lets say that what your saying is true < 1294117391 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq,and that apple completely complies with the gpl (pretending freebsd was gpl) < 1294117444 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2-BSD license still results in fewer restrictions than the GPL (and public domain even fewer - but its not legally possible to put something in the public domain) < 1294117461 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is nothing stopping companies from contributing < 1294117475 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Yessss, and? < 1294117498 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: But "texnicard.w" should not need the font exception, because to that program, the file "plain.cards" is just data, and "texnicard_format.tex" is data to TeX, and these two files are linked. Am I correct? < 1294117506 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you really call a modification that nobody else can access "contribution", or even "behavior that ought to be encouraged". < 1294117519 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, wow - you completely misunderstand < 1294117534 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hmm. Well. Is any of Texnicard actually going to be output in the resulting .dvi? < 1294117538 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: How so? < 1294117640 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No. (Also, the .dvi is not even the final result; the final result are picture files such as .png and so on.) < 1294117646 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, company X decided to make a project. they look for some base to start on. they find G (GPLed) and B (BSDed). They choose to go with B because of its more free licences. They make a product and sell it. they contribute 20% of that code back to B. Now B gets something and G gets nothing. lets pretend B didn't exist and X wanted to have a viable business model. so they decide to write it on their own and not use G. so now G still < 1294117646 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets nothing. < 1294117673 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: Has this even once happened? < 1294117680 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, re comments on the actual project instead of the license: I'll look at it tomorrow. < 1294117701 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Actually, no, pretty sure it has. LLVM. < 1294117703 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind. < 1294117713 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes all the time. most commercial organizations have "copyright training" where they teach you to avoid the gpl < 1294117720 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: OK. You can look at it tomorrow. (Just remember it is currently incomplete. It does compile and run; but it is incomplete.) < 1294117725 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bullshit training", you mean. < 1294117755 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I use the term the companies use. < 1294117768 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a term that accurately describes it. < 1294117791 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, all this comes courtesy of a few simple things... < 1294117801 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, tbh in the end it hardly matters - I just like to get the code out. I dislike spending much time on license debates < 1294117808 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hardly matters to me < 1294117811 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely: copyright law is far too complex, and it's completely and utterly pointless in the modern day. < 1294117821 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention counterproductive. < 1294117851 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, agreed with the specific reference to software copyright. not saying I disagree about other things - but I don't have the energy right now to discuss :-} < 1294117873 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: In general, though, it's *certainly* far far too complex, you must agree. < 1294117879 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, yes < 1294117886 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not saying I disagree about other things' < 1294117896 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 1211 am now < 1294117896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yuh. < 1294117903 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to be asleep 1130 < 1294117905 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-} < 1294117938 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, copyright law is insanely complex - and imho outlived its usefulness for certain things < 1294117944 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I really need to get to sleep < 1294117952 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :お休み！ < 1294117961 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!? < 1294117965 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good night! < 1294117978 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night - I enjoyed this conversation < 1294117982 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/away < 1294118279 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few files in TeXnicard which are public domain, such as "system_book_conv", which is not actually needed to run TeXnicard; what it does is to make book from "plain.cards" and "texnicard_format.tex" files. < 1294118416 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the extra restriction on the use of the name of TeXnicard is valid? < 1294118439 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1294118949 0 :Iwnda0!~nomad@pool-72-70-202-85.sctnpa.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294119296 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294119835 0 :Iwnda0!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1294121739 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://keiapl.info/archive/APLblossom.mp3 < 1294123310 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAX0gJt-aZg fuckin LOL < 1294123583 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i have java gtfo >| < 1294123596 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate** < 1294123604 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java goes JING JING < 1294123913 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294124576 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294125034 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1294125297 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294125426 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294127999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1294128000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1294129029 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-138.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294129981 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1294130091 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1294130688 0 :Sasha!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1294130691 0 :jix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1294130693 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1294130706 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1294130737 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1294130754 0 :Leonidas!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1294130756 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1294130763 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1294130765 0 :bsmntbombdood!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1294130773 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1294130791 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1294130791 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :*.net *.split < 1294130799 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come adults can't spell "a lot"? < 1294130801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you come across "alot' alot? < 1294130803 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more often thannot. < 1294130894 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1294130894 0 :Leonidas!~Leonidas@unaffiliated/leonidas JOIN :#esoteric < 1294130944 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-4-138.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294130944 0 :Slereah!~butt@ANantes-259-1-140-145.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1294130944 0 :bsmntbombdood!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294130971 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1294130971 0 :Ilari_antrcomp!~user@2002:5870:38d7:1:20e:a6ff:fe6f:2288 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294130971 0 :Ilari!~user@2002:5870:38d7::1 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294131013 0 :Sasha!~WHAT@75-174-221-10.phnx.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294131013 0 :jix!jix@tomakin.h-ix.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294131013 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@209.59.220.33 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294131013 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294133252 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: For what reason do certain English-speaking adults insist on conforming to and uplifting a certain subset of the prescribed rules of correct English grammar, but still ignore others? Perhaps because English is a living language, and if an entire generation starts spelling "a lot" as "alot", then the correct spelling is "alot". < 1294133324 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: adults can spell "a lot" perfectly fine < 1294133342 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that "a lot" is a thing you park your car in < 1294133390 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a lot" ~ "alot" as a quantificational element is a single word, not two, in modern english. < 1294133422 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so would writing "alot" be an improvement? < 1294133425 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :furthermore, orthography is purely conventional, and as gregor points out, the current convention in colloquial written english is that the space is entirely optional < 1294133446 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in many ways, "a lot" is going the same way as "up on" < 1294133457 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah did this actually happen < 1294133463 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so many other such words in english < 1294133474 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know any book or whatever that talks about this? < 1294133477 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"through out", "none the less", "not with standing" etc etc < 1294133485 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did this actually happen" // English has no regulatory body, it's happening because people are just doing it. < 1294133489 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: any good book on descriptive linguistics. < 1294133498 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: even if english DId have a regulatory body, it wouldnt matter < 1294133506 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: Fair point :) < 1294133509 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: are there any good ones for a beginner wyouwould recommend? < 1294133512 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages are the original grassroots technology < 1294133514 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: But thank Jebus it doesn't ;) < 1294133530 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: for orthography, no, but for language in general, sure < 1294133535 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294133551 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: for language in general, check out guy deutscher's the unfolding of language < 1294133607 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"above" is the result of successive de-prepositionalizations from "on by up on" (only from back when they were said and spelled "an be uf an" < 1294133651 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: the moral of that book is that language is a constant tension between expressiveness and conciseness < 1294133695 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :concision drives us to eliminate parts of the language that don't have any function (in that they don't make the language any more usable) < 1294133730 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :expressivity drives us to invent new constructs when the language has no technique for conveying quite what we want to convey < 1294133753 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theres a tension between reduction and expansion of the language, and it happens all the time < 1294133788 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have any new constructs come up in recorded history? < 1294133802 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every day < 1294133816 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every new thing you hate is a new construct that might be standard a hundred years from now < 1294133832 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually its new words, since words are for some reason incredibly easy to invent < 1294133837 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and usually its certain kinds of words < 1294133850 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho it varies by language which words are so freely invented < 1294133866 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what baout a new "thing" like verb/noun/etc < 1294133870 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grammatical constructs are harder to change < 1294133878 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :verbs and nouns are the easiest words to invent < 1294133890 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :adjectives and adverbs probably next < 1294133891 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I mean like verb/noun/quux < 1294133901 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean a new category? < 1294133904 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1294133922 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres debate over whether categories are real in any sense < 1294133934 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that makes senese < 1294133936 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general we only see a small number of categories < 1294133980 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, most contemporary theories place no real restriction on the number of categories, and we dont have any principled way to explain why we dont see the full range of possibilities < 1294134030 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say, there seem to be restrictions, but we dont know what they are beyond some very rough outlines in the theoretically possible category landscape < 1294135178 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294135237 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294135371 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gets desparate
< 1294135375 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :desperate < 1294136040 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1294136201 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, are there any languages with more/different categories than English? < 1294136288 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe < 1294136303 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there generally seems to be a fairly fixed inventory that all languages draw from < 1294136434 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294136437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does my printer only ever decide to take two pages at a time when doing double sided printing. And only in the second "pass" too!? < 1294136445 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it never ever do that otherwise < 1294136449 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does* < 1294136864 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294136969 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294137564 0 :WAR!~phantomho@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust788.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294137707 0 :WAR!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1294137717 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1294137718 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294137815 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, why does the Minecraft window not capture the mouse? < 1294137837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, it does for me. < 1294137855 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there maybe a bug in the older version that I.. obtained? < 1294137888 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, or it could be something else; if you're not on Windows, we can't help. < 1294137911 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on Windows < 1294137918 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...trying it before I buy it, so to speak < 1294137931 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am happy to state that the issues I was having in Classic do NOT occur in Alpha < 1294139020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, if you actually buy it and you want to use mcmap, you'll need to switch to Linux. < 1294139043 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I buy it, I intend to mostly play on online servers < 1294139072 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :F11 helps the mouse not be captured, but I don't want to have to go to fullscreen < 1294139081 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294139400 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294139815 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294141037 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1294141239 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294141418 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294141475 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294142050 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TheDoctor < 1294142061 0 :TheDoctor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :augur < 1294142547 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, wha? < 1294142554 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey what < 1294142904 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1294142974 0 :FireyFly!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :FireFly < 1294143459 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294143484 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294143674 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, why did you change your name to TheDoctor and then back again? < 1294143792 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1294143872 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: name antics in another channel < 1294143887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, HMMMMMMMMM < 1294144120 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294144313 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294144504 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo's dad is periodically rebooting his computer for lulz. < 1294144877 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294145079 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1294145503 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if you can prove that the only function of type a -> a is the identity function.
< 1294145759 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is obsidian made? < 1294145771 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, water poured onto /still/ lava. < 1294145778 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flowing lava becomes cobblestone. < 1294146780 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA' I'VE GOT 5 OBSIDIANS < 1294146877 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean: how is obsiddian formed < 1294146936 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HT < 1294146942 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294146947 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lava on obsidian < 1294147077 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what about f x = 2*x < 1294147094 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, that's why I said a -> a. < 1294147105 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any type? < 1294147108 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294147109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, a polymorphic function with no typeclass constraints. < 1294147143 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can demonstrate that id is the only one possible if you let a be the unit type, but it's extending that upwards that I'm having problems with. < 1294147149 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can have polymorphic fall-over < 1294147158 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case your question is easily answered < 1294147189 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1294147303 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: < 1294147317 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: < 1294147319 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Haskell or SysF ? < 1294147365 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294147375 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. Is there a difference in the answer? < 1294147383 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I just mean "in what" < 1294147609 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System F, then. < 1294147677 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: in that case, it is a (difficult) theorem that every well typed term has a normal form (i.e. you can evaluate everything and it wont loop) < 1294147714 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's plausible to enumerate all (one) normal forms of type forall a. a -> a < 1294147736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in Haskell? < 1294147737 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like \a -> a counts but (\a -> a) (\a -> a) doesn't < 1294147776 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined :: a -> a is a counterexample < 1294148068 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294148207 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you don't buy it?? < 1294148219 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294148225 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: have you seen any proof that simple typed lambda calculus normalizes < 1294148424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# [...]. From reading these comments, it is clear that < 1294148424 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# text following a '#' is ignored to the end of the line. < 1294148433 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the top of a config file :D < 1294148440 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice way to put it < 1294148535 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1294148803 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, zuh. < 1294148836 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, OK. Pretending undefined doesn't work? < 1294148844 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exist < 1294148895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. I see what you mean. < 1294149616 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1294149667 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hi < 1294149673 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1294149734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for log reading: I tried that newer version of synergy thingy. Same old bugs: 1) clipboard buggy in various ways 2) altgr key sometimes get stuck when on guest screen. < 1294149749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both still there < 1294149848 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294149876 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294149935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there is possibly one bug that is gone, but it is so rare I can't be sure yet. (Caps lock getting suck in different states compared to keyboard led, and different states on the different computers) < 1294149957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happened like twice in 6 months < 1294149962 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294150003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:15:47 erm - one character domain names that are not registered == roughly all of them < 1294150013 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: no, that you can actually register -- there are 100 or so < 1294150016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most are reserved or registered < 1294150064 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: know anything about LaRouche youth movement? < 1294150096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: LaRouch people are all complete nutcases, as far as i can tell. it is interesting but i have not looked in to it as much as i would like to < 1294150103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: why? < 1294150116 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's where I am < 1294150122 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you might know more :P < 1294150137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: nope :) but wikipedia does! < 1294150140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Lyndon_LaRouche_and_the_LaRouche_movement < 1294150168 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I believe 1 or 2 letter ones can no longer be registered. Not sure if it was some tlds only, or all. The existing ones were grandfathered. < 1294150180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: only some TLDs. < 1294150185 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1294150187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you _definitely_ can register them. i looked into thix < 1294150195 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, god, I love the LaRouche movement. < 1294150218 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say that the 340Hz A is part of the conspiracy. < 1294150218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for instance I believe that nic.st will sell you a one-char if you give them insane amounts of money < 1294150222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D < 1294150226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: info! ^ < 1294150251 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, *440Hz < 1294150256 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me! < 1294150261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hopefully I will be able to script looking up all the domains to see which ones are free and registerable, filter out those with unreasonable laws (*cough* .ly must follow sharia law *cough*), and then filter out those with insane prices < 1294150275 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, as I said in log. the new synergy thingy did not help at all < 1294150280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1294150280 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know more about it than that, just that they want to go back to 432Hz A tuning. < 1294150281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ah. < 1294150293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nic.st/twoletter/name/w < 1294150304 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1294150308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway x.st is registered < 1294150338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1294150340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :php infinite loop < 1294150345 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doesn't crash my php < 1294150347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RELEVANT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YDVog236Bc < 1294150358 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if only I knew how to reproduce these bugs. It is pointless to say "alt-gr sometimes get stuck" or "sometimes you get ghost pastes in gtk programs on the 'interactive' machine". < 1294150387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: aww, not anagolf's either < 1294150398 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[This achievement by an amateur chorus would have been virtually impossible if not for [...] performing the work in the scientifically correct musical tuning of C=256 Hz, rather than the prevalent, anti-musical and vocally destructive tuning of the Romantic School's A=440 or higher (see below).]] < 1294150408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENTIFICALLY CORRECT < 1294150408 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no it does! < 1294150411 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing it wrong < 1294150433 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294150446 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I trsied that out earlier when I read hte article but I must have done it wrong < 1294150455 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't know more about it than that, just that they want to go back to 432Hz A tuning. <-- err, as far as I know you generally try to tune to match what the music was written for. At least in professional orchestras. < 1294150480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work on 5.3.3 here < 1294150486 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I think they just want *everything* tuned to 432Hz A. < 1294150491 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this might include non-equal temperament and so on < 1294150496 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that's just silly < 1294150505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MAN YOU THINK SO? < 1294150514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO WEIRD I WOULDN'T HAVE CALLED THEM SILLY YOU'RE A VISIONARY < 1294150517 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, if you are doing it professionally you tune for whatever the music was written for < 1294150545 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1294150547 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The Schiller Institute, which represents these ideas internationally, has become known for its initiative to lower the international standard musical pitch to middle-C=256 cycles per second (corresponding to approximately A=430 to 432), in order to preserve the human voice and to return the performance of Classical music to that of the composers' poetic intentions.]] < 1294150557 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRESERVE THE HUMAN VOICE < 1294150581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: plz don't debate gpl/bsd here, it has been done 5 billion times before < 1294150588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're above such jihads < 1294150614 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well if the music was written for that then it should be played like that. If it was written for something else then do as it's author intended! < 1294150616 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because we all know that a 1% increase in frequency wreaks havoc on the vocal chords. < 1294150625 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/images2010/Obama_BP.gif < 1294150632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: p.s. it's irrelevant because selling data is a broken business model only held in place by illogical regulations that should be abolished, which would conveniently make the GPL and BSD identical in making no restrictions whatsoever < 1294150635 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BP employee of the month LOL < 1294150659 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also, why do they centre around vocals? Don't they care at all about purely instrumental music!? < 1294150661 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:05 < JohnFlux> Roger Penrose, as a kid, was dropped down a grade at school < 1294150661 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for doing so badly at math < 1294150661 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:06 < j-invariant> and now he thinks godels incompleteness theorem means that < 1294150664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: heh < 1294150664 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : the human brain is something more than a turing machine - < 1294150668 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : guess some things never change, huh? < 1294150670 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ nobody in #physics liked my joke < 1294150688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be < 1294150690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##physics < 1294150692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :***8troll#Y% < 1294150709 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :##physics IGNORED my brilliant idea. < 1294150718 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, GRIND THEM INTO THE DUST < 1294150728 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MORE RELEVANT STUFF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiller_Institute < 1294150736 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what was that "brilliant idea"? < 1294150745 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Hawking generator. < 1294150761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, err. What would that be < 1294150763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:00:31 pikhq, speaking as someone who has read the licence, read copyright law, worked for a copyright attorney, and has two patents.... < 1294150768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: software patents by any chance? < 1294150770 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a generator of physicists in wheelchairs? < 1294150775 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before I discovered that some bastards had copied it, gone back in time and written a paper on it. < 1294150799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a generator that produced hawkings would be awesome < 1294150804 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[The Schiller Institute employs a large set of arguments for this tuning, from historical accuracy to claims that this is how the universe is tuned, with references to Johannes Kepler's treatise on the harmony of the world, where he proposes the notion that the ordering of planetary orbits is based on harmonics and the relationships among the Platonic solids.[23]]] < 1294150811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kepler's theory of the world. < 1294150816 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no higher comedy. < 1294150817 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird I was just about to paste that exact quote < 1294150823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:04:04 the 2-BSD license still results in fewer restrictions than the GPL (and public domain even fewer - but its not legally possible to put something in the public domain) < 1294150833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: it is in many countries. don't be so US-centric. < 1294150834 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..and say that Kepler himself knew this theory was slightly off and throw it out < 1294150835 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, HIS MOTHER! < 1294150849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: :D < 1294150854 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, he clearly knew it was crap, since it requires circular orbits to work. < 1294150864 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, that doesn't sound as good asas "YOUR MOTHER". < 1294150866 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as* < 1294150874 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1294150915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Phantom_Hoover wonders if you can prove that the only function of type a -> a is the identity function. < 1294150930 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is parametricity < 1294150943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:07:26 pikhq, company X decided to make a project. they look for some base to start on. they find G (GPLed) and B (BSDed). They choose to go with B because of its more free licences. They make a product and sell it. they contribute 20% of that code back to B. Now B gets something and G gets nothing. lets pretend B didn't exist and X wanted to have a viable business model. so they decide to write it on their own a < 1294150943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nd not use G. so now G still < 1294150943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:07:26 gets nothing. < 1294150944 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parametricity, awesome word < 1294150945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, as there is no such thing as a monopoly on copying non-scarce data, X's hilariously bad business model nets them nothing and they go out of business before they even realise that the GPL has no legal standing. a sad story! < 1294150946 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION googles it
< 1294150950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, that's just in reasonable world. < 1294150970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Phantom_Hoover wonders if you can prove that the only function of type a -> a is the identity function. < 1294150975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: weren't you talking about that < 1294150977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theorems just from the types < 1294150982 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what prompted it. < 1294150982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SHEESH < 1294150990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sheesh what < 1294150991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: right < 1294150993 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and have you installed uAgda yet? < 1294151000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well f can't inspect the value because it's polymorphic < 1294151007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: no, i had to reinstall ghc. < 1294151010 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it holds perfectly for system F, and breaks down partially for haskell because of nontermination and seq < 1294151010 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294151020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haskell is not a useful language to prove things about :) < 1294151022 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, but I mean an actual, rigorous *proof*. < 1294151035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: probably in uagda :} < 1294151039 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:23 < oerjan> it holds perfectly for system F, and breaks down partially for haskell because of nontermination and seq < 1294151042 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haahaa < 1294151043 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well someone _did_ write a paper about how much parametricity still holds in haskell < 1294151045 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.schillerinstitute.org/music/revolution.html < 1294151051 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PARTIALLY" < 1294151055 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The website of the crackpots itself. < 1294151087 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's a power of two, i like it < 1294151105 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: basically parametricity gives you for f : a -> a that f . g = g . f for any g whose type fits. then put g = const x for any x < 1294151111 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, but that's where the non-crazy arguments end. < 1294151114 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*f :: a -> a < 1294151118 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.schillerinstitute.org/music/2007/historic_videos.html < 1294151123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIDYAS < 1294151162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Order Verdi pitch tuning forks" I KNEW THEY WERE SELLING SOMETHING < 1294151171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:27:32 j-invariant: For what reason do certain English-speaking adults insist on conforming to and uplifting a certain subset of the prescribed rules of correct English grammar, but still ignore others? Perhaps because English is a living language, and if an entire generation starts spelling "a lot" as "alot", then the correct spelling is "alot". < 1294151181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Um, excuse me, the alot is used when referring to the alot. http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html < 1294151187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: a lot is quantification. < 1294151189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duh. < 1294151238 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beh < 1294151253 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i can make a tunnel for lava to flow < 1294151269 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, you can but be careful of burns. It need to slow downwards though < 1294151270 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and take flowing lava from the lake to light my cave < 1294151272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: your addiction is inevitable, buy it so you can play on our server :p < 1294151290 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, we have a skyway! < 1294151299 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, your argument made no sense wrt. "alot". He just claimed that language changes over time. < 1294151311 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the skyway is actually secure on non-peaceful mode. < 1294151314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: alot and a lot mean two different things < 1294151318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the alot is an animal: http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html < 1294151327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a lot means "a lot". < 1294151333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ever heard of homonyms? :) < 1294151340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: WHOOOOOOOSHTUPID < 1294151349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither whoosh nor stupid seemed to cover it there < 1294151353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i decided to innovate < 1294151367 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoopid < 1294151369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and yes it is an invented animal. But sure. Why not. < 1294151370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Innovation in Puns medal, Missing the Point division plz? < 1294151391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:02:51 * Sgeo gets desparate < 1294151391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:02:55 desperate < 1294151398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so desparate that you won't correct your spelling i see < 1294151417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:44:48 Possibly, or it could be something else; if you're not on Windows, we can't help. < 1294151419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can't? < 1294151422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you mean if you _are_ on Windows. < 1294151431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:03:40 FWIW, if you actually buy it and you want to use mcmap, you'll need to switch to Linux. < 1294151431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:04:03 Once I buy it, I intend to mostly play on online servers < 1294151432 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1294151434 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I meant. < 1294151435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: mcmap works only on online server. < 1294151435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1294151445 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, UNTRUE! < 1294151452 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lava floows in my tunnel but the cave isn't so deep < 1294151453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, it only works on SMP servers. < 1294151454 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can work on LOCAL servers as well! < 1294151457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and playing an SMP server locally would suck < 1294151461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can just give yourself shit < 1294151462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also bugs < 1294151478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: and mcmap is incredibly useful on our server since we often just give a coordinate pair to //goto. so be prepared to boot to ubuntu. < 1294151479 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1294151488 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in any case you are the one being silly here. First for trying to appeal to authority (which isn't even one really!) and second for trying to use that as an argument where it didn't fit. < 1294151504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please, you need to invent the Nuclear Whoosh so I can use it on Vorpal < 1294151513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he is the Hiroshima to my desire to bomb japs < 1294151519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(best analogy? no, GREATEST) < 1294151534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was it supposed to be a joke? Aren't they supposed to be funny. I think I remember you claiming that. < 1294151558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are you trying to start like a daily game where we each annoy the other into ignoring them for a period of time < 1294151575 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. But that's an interesting idea. < 1294151577 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keep score! < 1294151588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. it won't work because my first and last ignore will be permanent. < 1294151591 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Being a neutral 3rd party.) < 1294151598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: neutral :P < 1294151625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm not sure I'm playing. I'm far too nice to be good at it :P < 1294151636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA < 1294151648 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you're better at it than you think. < 1294151652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, good, you realised that wasn't meant seriously :) < 1294151653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Much* better. < 1294151677 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I hate this weather < 1294151680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm made out of a unicorn that poops flowers and niceness. < 1294151685 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 dm snow this afternoon < 1294151701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually inside snow now < 1294151705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have doors in my country < 1294151722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:18:14 cheater99, that's why I said a -> a. < 1294151729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you should probably say forall a. a -> a < 1294151737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :only haskell lets that kind of implicit shit fly >:) < 1294151738 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu < 1294151739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, and ML < 1294151743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it says it as 'a < 1294151747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's quite unambiguous < 1294151751 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The snow is all gone here. < 1294151751 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was out in car today. Had to stop a few times because the windshield wipers froze. Fiat really isn't made for this kind of winters. < 1294151763 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiats* aren't* < 1294151765 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just burt myself in the lava that i invited to my cave < 1294151771 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, lucky you < 1294151773 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all my possesions < 1294151793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, should have put glass in first < 1294151799 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, and had a safety water pool < 1294151844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, official snow depth is at 32 cm. Though it is a fair bit from here. < 1294151863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: did you have lava? < 1294151865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1294151866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: armour < 1294151877 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they only measure it in a few places < 1294151878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: also ignore Vorpal's advice, just stuff valuable stuff into chest before working with lava < 1294151896 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, my advice was good. Having a water pool to put out the fire is a good idea < 1294151901 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bucket of water in a quick slot < 1294151906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more trouble than it's worth < 1294151908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually < 1294151910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bucket sure < 1294151911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else meh < 1294151923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides after a point dying is preferable < 1294151932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. you're on fire. you have a diamond pickaxe < 1294151938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you spend the time throwing the pickaxe away from fire < 1294151943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or trying to save yourself possibly failing and losing it? < 1294151978 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you make sure to always be above the lava level when working with it. And there being a way to get out if you fall. < 1294151988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you haven't answered my q < 1294151989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and water pools are still useful < 1294152001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, deewiant expressed is lagged beyond usability. < 1294152005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*express < 1294152005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually I'm not sure. I would safe myself since I have diamond armour too. < 1294152014 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no time to throw it all the safety < 1294152029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION falls down an unloaded chunk error, with cows, while moving forwards somehow, in a minecart
< 1294152032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you didn't get rid of the armour before working with lava? < 1294152034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever. < 1294152084 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, if I work with lava sure. But then I make sure to take security precautions such as being able to walk out the lava area if I fall in, so I don't get stuck unable to get out < 1294152104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the other case when you could hit lava is mining, and then I wear armour of course < 1294152111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case of pits or whatever < 1294152159 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i will move myself < 1294152167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so far I only fell into lava once in minecraft on single player. And that was in the beginning, I had stone tools only still back then < 1294152181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: there is lava everywhere at low levels btw. < 1294152194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. And sometimes at higher levels < 1294152200 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, last I checked chests didn't burtn < 1294152202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn* < 1294152209 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1294152213 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't have much < 1294152216 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some gold, one diamond < 1294152220 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 redstone < 1294152231 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think i'm bored with this enormous cave < 1294152254 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a video of bees building a honeycomb? < 1294152259 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can take everything and find another place < 1294152261 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, mhm. If you find a large floating island you could build a cottage on top (they are rarely large enough even for that, let alone anything larger) < 1294152280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw about language change. Do you say "a newt" or "an ewt"? < 1294152292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ewt < 1294152303 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at least you are somewhat consistent then! :D < 1294152312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you can ditch redstone generally < 1294152317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: it's slow to mine and basically worthless < 1294152321 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1294152332 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well a few are useful to have around, for the occasional circuit < 1294152347 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but circuits... < 1294152350 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I don't mine it actively, but if I need to mine it because it is in my way then I put it in a chest < 1294152360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: only mine it if you need it :P < 1294152363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it won't go away < 1294152363 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, yeah. If you have it, don't throw it away < 1294152369 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1294152372 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't mine it actively unless you need it < 1294152380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just mean when mining you can ignore it most of the time < 1294152402 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quite, except when it is in your path and you are digging a supposedly straight tunnel. < 1294152443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you use a minecart system to get around your single player world btw? < 1294152462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i don't have an active single player world < 1294152466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1294152469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since the files are on the other box < 1294152473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for my inactive one :D < 1294152474 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1294152494 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, rsync them. that is what I do between my thinkpad and my desktop < 1294152525 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i should build a boat < 1294152551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, i don't plan to use the old laptop all that much now < 1294152553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it can be a server < 1294152589 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, build when needed. They break so easily it is pretty pointless to build one and expect it to be there next time. Some animal could walk into it the wrong way so it gets pushed into a stone wall or whatever. Happens a lot < 1294152605 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well having a backup on another system is always nice < 1294152653 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also laptop as server is probably not such good idea. laptop drives are made for lots of starts/stops, not for long continuous operation. < 1294152672 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a* < 1294152673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, who cares, it's quiet and small :) < 1294152674 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : variable: software patents by any chance? --> no; I am NOT getting into the rest of the conversation < 1294152690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: >:) < 1294152701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: if we're going to have a holy war it can at least be in less-explored territory < 1294152721 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, emacs vs vi ? < 1294152727 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about a coq vs. agda flamewar? < 1294152728 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-} < 1294152766 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I parse command line arguments in Haskell ? < 1294152777 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: there is a System.Arguments I think < 1294152805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but they're not even the same thing :) < 1294152810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: System.Environment < 1294152816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do args <- getArgs; ... < 1294152818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :args is then [String] < 1294152831 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah getArgs from System.Environment < 1294152837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are vi and eamcs really the same thing though? < 1294152839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: emacs v. vi is *very* well-trodden < 1294152843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: vile vs. nedit would be fun < 1294152845 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has GetOpt < 1294152852 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Console.GetOpt < 1294152858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ed vs. TECO? < 1294152875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: teco wins obviously, speaking as someone who has edited with both < 1294152876 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs v. vi is *very* well-trodden <--- yet nobody seems to have got anywhere..? < 1294152882 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, icewm vs dwm ? < 1294152891 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you used teco? < 1294152928 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go meta: flamewar vs. not-having-a-flamewar < 1294152959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, i've used teco, it's nice < 1294152963 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1294152975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, really? Huh. < 1294152980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I like ais' statement -- the kind of people you get in here are more likely to use either both emacs and vi, or neither < 1294152999 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais ? < 1294153003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, I mean if you showed a dump of all the keys you put into emacs it'd look like line noise too but it's actually fun to use < 1294153006 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable, ais523 < 1294153009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: ais523, one of our top actives < 1294153012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as much recently though < 1294153018 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm < 1294153021 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/solved.html this guy :-P < 1294153039 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE BEARD < 1294153042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: site is shameless wolfram self-promotion crap < 1294153043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS SO RIDICULOUS < 1294153052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beardiculous. < 1294153081 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually today I used... emacs, kate, nano. Not vi though. While I have nothing against vi as such, I just can't get used to the split command/editing mode concept. < 1294153113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for vim, all I can say is that I looked at vimscript and concluded that while elisp is not great for a lisp, it is still better than vimscript. < 1294153113 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, exactly < 1294153125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : variable: software patents by any chance? --> no; I am NOT getting into the rest of the conversation <-- or else he'll have to use his patented death ray < 1294153134 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, sshhh < 1294153149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *patented death ray control software < 1294153224 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is interesting, Kepler has a different theory about snowflake formation than me < 1294153241 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294153329 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001f5b00390f-CM001e6b2335dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294153431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: lol < 1294153510 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm doesn't that apply to a lot of old science. The best fitting theory changes over time as new discoveries are made and so on. < 1294153526 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what is so interesting about this difference in particular? < 1294153599 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, ^ < 1294153619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kepler is right about everything < 1294153622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C=256hz qed beyotches < 1294153724 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what about non-European music? < 1294153756 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it safe to jump to the water from a great height? < 1294153764 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, how deep is the water < 1294153770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 256 fucking hz < 1294153774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: 2 deep or more, yes < 1294153774 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :few boxes < 1294153780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 square, no < 1294153807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, 2 or deeper should be safe. But I found that sometimes 3 or deeper is needed. I presume due to lag in SMP but I haven't played much single player lately < 1294153824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how NOBODY HAS RESPONDED TO MY UBUNTUFORUMS THREAD AT ALL. < 1294153835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact it has been pushed off the front page. < 1294153839 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu forums are useless.... < 1294153846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ubuntu. What do you expect. < 1294153849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: less useless than #ubuntu. < 1294153853 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repost it to all the forums :P < 1294153853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: less useless than #ubuntu. < 1294153857 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sometiems good stuff comes up in google < 1294153866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: googled to hell and back for this already :/ < 1294153872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not about to go for linuxquestions or something that's even worse < 1294153882 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the problem? (..I don't know anything about this stuff :/) < 1294153886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you think you've got it bad? < 1294153909 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Noöne* has any helpful advice for me on this graphics issue. < 1294153918 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yeah. But that is like saying falcon is better than lolcode. (note: I do not know the sorting order of badness here, just that both are very bad) < 1294153929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: how do i make a macbook air boot a normal usb drive formatted like the ubuntu download instructions tell me to with ubuntu on it; googling suggests that macs dont like to do it but this appears to be false; the fedora guys seem to think you need a gpt partition table and an hfs partition; but apparently there are success stories with using those instructions to boot ubuntu off a usb stick on a mac < 1294153933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have NO FUCKING CLUE < 1294153943 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, LOLCODE is quite a nice language if you ignore everything before the AST. < 1294153961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*quite a horrible language < 1294153963 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, maybe it differs between different macs? < 1294153968 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, firmware versions or whatever < 1294153970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the implicit result of the last statement to work out conditionals. < 1294153972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Doubtful. < 1294153974 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was able to boot mac os x off a USB but not ubuntu < 1294153980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: heh... < 1294153990 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is bootcamp installed? I presume it is? < 1294154003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: as i have told you countless times before, "boot camp" is a marketing name that means nothing. < 1294154006 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so you might have to burn some CDs to do it - and it takes a lot of testing to find out which CD works etc .. < 1294154014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is an EFI update which adds bios emulation, and an OS X tool to download windows drivers and partition the disk. < 1294154027 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, told me once afaik. And I meant the EFI upgrade in question < 1294154033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every mac since it came out comes with the EFI update and the tool, however i have not used the tool as it will only create two partitions < 1294154037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well resize one and create one < 1294154043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1294154048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: CDs would make it trivial, but I don't have an optical drive < 1294154054 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g229031242.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294154057 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh O_o < 1294154060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: and Airs can only boot with the Steve Jobs Approved(TM) SuperDrive. which costs £60. < 1294154067 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1294154068 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks < 1294154071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i kind of want to get usb working :-P < 1294154075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I can it'll just be a pain < 1294154080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what you get when you buy Apple... < 1294154083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite pain < 1294154091 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought someone figured out how to get ubuntu on the macbook air < 1294154098 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was pro < 1294154103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: oh they have < 1294154106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they say "use a superdrive" < 1294154110 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1294154112 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1294154115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "follow the instructions for usb on the download page" < 1294154117 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :see!! I told y < 1294154117 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Macs even boot flash drives? < 1294154120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the latter i have tried and it didn't work) < 1294154122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes < 1294154130 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HMMMM < 1294154130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theydont like doing it :) < 1294154135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1294154157 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what happens instead of booting it? < 1294154164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, error? just booting normal? < 1294154190 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So after examining all the ideas that came into my head I conclude thus: the cause of the six-sided shape of a snowflake is none other than that of the ordered shapes of plants and of numerical constants; and since in them nothing occurs without supreme reason--not, to be sure, such as discursive reasoning discovers, but such as existed from the first in the Creator’s design and is preserved from that origin to this day in the wonderful nat < 1294154215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: when i hold down option it just shows my drive and the partition i have with i think a grub floppy image on < 1294154217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no usb < 1294154225 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUHUH < 1294154231 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does it show the mac os x usb stick if you insert that instead? < 1294154250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the one it came with? i'm sure it does < 1294154255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't actually tested it, but yes, it will < 1294154262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can read USBs perfectly fine < 1294154262 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got a great settlement in a hanging cliff, on a remote island < 1294154264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just doesn't like this one < 1294154268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i might need gpt/hfs ... but < 1294154273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the os x usb instructions on ubuntu.com < 1294154277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggest otherwise :-/ < 1294154295 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294154313 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, loadlin for OS X? I'm sure it is possible with a driver of some sort. < 1294154320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god no < 1294154337 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is a journaled fs, you have nothing to worry about ;) < 1294154344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably be possible to make the install CD boot off a /partition/ if i extract it and hook all the bootloaders up and kernel params and stuff < 1294154347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rely on BIOS emulation to go properly < 1294154349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'd be a pain < 1294154352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'd have to do it on the install partition < 1294154362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the swap and shared ones are partitions 4 and 5 IIRC < 1294154366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't think you can boot from them < 1294154368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe swap < 1294154381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if i put grub on the main ubuntu partition < 1294154384 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can't you boot from any partition number with gpt? < 1294154387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and used it to boot the 4th or 5th partition... < 1294154387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1294154393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not with bios emulation i don't think < 1294154396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i select one it just does the 3rd < 1294154400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm. < 1294154402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is presumably expected to have a bootloader for the rest < 1294154407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'd rather just get usb working < 1294154416 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i half-suspect it might just be that the mac doesn't like that usb stick in particular :D < 1294154424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can read it in os x and stuff... < 1294154437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that sounds weird. Maybe it doesn't have the approved-by-jobs bit set? < 1294154456 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if it can only use one specific cd drive I mean < 1294154466 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then it is possible the same could apply to usb sticks < 1294154474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i doubt it since other people have reported success < 1294154490 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with the same generation of macbook air? < 1294154497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1294154499 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294154520 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange indeed < 1294154531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what the rules for bumping are on ubuntuforums, and how much they'll yell at me if i violate them < 1294154720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Programming language design has a strange dogma that ... distilling the smallest possible set of elegant core axioms is both possible and profitable. From there, offering this set of axioms leaves the dirty business of making workable software to blue-collar workaday programmers." < 1294154744 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, err. what. < 1294154748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made very little sense. < 1294154752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The foundations of mathematics has a strange dogma that ... distilling the smallest possible set of elegant core axioms is both possible and profitable. From there, offering this set of axioms leaves the dirty business of making workable theories to blue-collar workaday mathematicians. < 1294154768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(first quote from http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2011/01/minimalism.html, latter my own mockery) < 1294154862 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just cannot understand that sort of thing < 1294154890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: either he considers the stdlib axiomatic, or he thinks that people run around with different incompatible stdlibs. well ok you do but nobody else does :) < 1294154917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's surprising how much of an antiacademic sentiment exists in programming < 1294154924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, antiïntellectualism seems rife in "practical" programming... < 1294154926 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the same standard library as everyone else that uses a good one < 1294154928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, aren't we meant to be above that? < 1294154942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're (meant to be) competent thought worker engineers < 1294154949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why does everyone shit on theory? < 1294154962 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers are idiots < 1294155023 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's because the non-idiots have better things to do. < 1294155034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Technically, SML'97 as defined in the Definition requires only a minimal initial basis, which, while including the types int, real, char, and string, need have no operations on those base types. Hence, the only observable output of an SML'97 program is termination or raising an exception." < 1294155040 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what he means is that languages should come with frameworks < 1294155048 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and huge libs < 1294155060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: no, he means that languages should be perl. < 1294155069 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perlol < 1294155070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all he does is advocate perl. all day. on reddit. < 1294155087 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://programmers.stackexchange.com/ < 1294155092 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i installed a package that was dependent on some perl bs the other day < 1294155093 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rest my csae < 1294155114 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said "indexing perl manpages, this could take a while" < 1294155129 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after 10 hours it wasn't done. i straced it, and noticed it's opening every single file on my hard drive. < 1294155129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ugh no i hate that site it's the only one worse than stack overflow < 1294155130 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294155139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: why did you leave it 10 hours. < 1294155158 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i saw it opening /bin/ksh i knew it was doing something bad < 1294155177 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i couldn't be bothered touching some sort of perl disaster < 1294155184 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you have against ksh :| < 1294155187 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and besides i have enough cores. < 1294155191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best worst shell < 1294155196 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nothing, it's just not a perl manpage < 1294155202 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: but it COULD be :D < 1294155205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a self-extracting perl manpage < 1294155211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :documenting the "ksh" function < 1294155235 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you filter the ksh binary for readable characters, it's both a perl module and a manual for it < 1294155255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION strings /bin/ksh
< 1294155258 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, consider perhaps the ultimate counter example of minimalism in programming language design. PHP's multiple searching functions differ in searchtype( $needle, $haystack ) and search_type( $haystack, $needle ) and searchType( $neestack, $haydle ) and other permutations—and these are core language features." < 1294155258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :))++++////33337777777>>>>BBBEEEHHHKKKNNNQQQQUUUUUUUUUU < 1294155264 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes no sense < 1294155265 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, perl < 1294155273 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are just procedures, you could add them to scheme < 1294155281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdefbghijkl+m,*n !"#$%&'()opqrstuGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`vwxyaz-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEF{|}~ < 1294155283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense a table :D < 1294155289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1294155289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1294155290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1294155291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :g < 1294155293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffff < 1294155295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UUUUUUU < 1294155297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :--strings /bin/ksh < 1294155320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the omfg part that is < 1294155323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just th efu < 1294155326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the fu < 1294155370 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh elliott I hate stuff like this < 1294155378 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what he's trying to say but it's wrong < 1294155384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe :/ < 1294155395 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish people just wouldn't write stuff < 1294155427 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't understand it you've never used php < 1294155429 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is good. < 1294155449 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hereby approve osmose as a good sms emulator < 1294155453 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : --strings /bin/ksh <-- well it is based on a heuristic. A very simple one. Just find printable chars. On each line print as long lengths of these are possible. < 1294155488 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what point is he trying to make < 1294155541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: no idea < 1294155549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1294155559 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do people hone this ability of just write absolute shit < 1294155613 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings on random large program in /usr/bin have things like: < 1294155616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffff. < 1294155616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVAUATUSH < 1294155616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UUUUUUU < 1294155621 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't strings at least look for null-termination? < 1294155626 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AVAUATUSH! < 1294155635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal has finally cracked. < 1294155643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION joins in
< 1294155647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: POSIX actually says it can < 1294155650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but most implementations don't < 1294155656 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to catch, uh, non-C software! < 1294155661 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IÄ! IÄ! CTHULHU FTAGN < 1294155669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, *FHTAGN < 1294155670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a lot of strings are not null-terminated outside the C world < 1294155676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (possibly because posix requires you to implement a flag that doesn't check for any kind of termination, so it's less work :)) < 1294155689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although gnu strings is, surprise surprise, SUPA ADVANCE: < 1294155690 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a lot of UUUUUUU in lots of binaries. Maybe some sort of padding or something that is generated by some tool? < 1294155691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The options to strings(1) are: < 1294155691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -a This option causes strings to look for strings in all sections < 1294155691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : of the object file (including the (__TEXT,__text) section. < 1294155691 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which flag? < 1294155696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: probably < 1294155704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well it's meant to be -a. < 1294155726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still views GNU true as the best programming joke EVER.
< 1294155741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/strings.html < 1294155744 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1294155745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-a < 1294155745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scan files in their entirety. If -a is not specified, it is implementation-defined what portion of each file is scanned for strings. < 1294155748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it's not quite that < 1294155758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally gnu strings doesn't have -t. < 1294155767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so technically ... OS X doesn't actually count as certified Unix < 1294155777 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i guess they're probably quite relaxed about all the fiddly command line flags : < 1294155778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1294155789 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0: 55 push %rbp < 1294155791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the machine was fitted with a special POSIX compliamt command set < 1294155791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is U < 1294155794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: heh < 1294155795 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell < 1294155809 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so probably not just nop padding then < 1294155810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://libposix.sourceforge.net/ why does this exist < 1294155819 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decides to disassemble his /bin/true
< 1294155838 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *nix in user space or what? < 1294155841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1294155848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: libc that conforms strictly to posix 2008 with no extensions < 1294155852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? WHO KNOWS < 1294155856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/libposix/index.php?title=Compare < 1294155885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid < 1294155898 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294155905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I got hand-approved for byuu's forum. SO LUCKY :p < 1294155908 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very stupid and ill defined criteria for most of those < 1294155941 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: /bin/true is completely insane. < 1294155967 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Scan files in their entirety. If -a is not specified, it is implementation-defined what portion of each file is scanned for strings. <-- on linux I believe it skips some comment sections from ELF files or such < 1294155977 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nopw 0x0(%rax,%rax,1) < 1294155978 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1294155984 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do not scan only the initialized and loaded sections of object files; scan the whole files." < 1294155988 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just, what. < 1294155997 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what is strange about that. It is a nop. < 1294156005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, in fact a nop larger than 1 byte < 1294156018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, but WHY < 1294156026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1294156028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addressed nop < 1294156028 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is nothing unexpected. Compilers add padding between functions and so on. < 1294156032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: disassemble with intel syntax urgh < 1294156041 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, you can do that? < 1294156059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i think you can tell objdump to < 1294156064 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-M intel < 1294156065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :failing that you could convert < 1294156066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1294156076 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, better. < 1294156086 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have no idea where the hell execution starts. < 1294156104 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Later < 1294156113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, both intel and amd docs recommend that you use use as large nops as possible rather than many small. Better with one 7 byte nop than 7 one byte ones. Better for instruction pipeline if ever executed or something such iirc (as would be if it aligns the start of a loop, but not if you align the start of a function) < 1294156128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Um, at _main. One would presume. < 1294156137 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not _start? < 1294156142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, that's irrelevant. < 1294156144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU true is written in C. < 1294156164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dynamically linked? < 1294156164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well _start is provided by crt0.o or some such file < 1294156167 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1294156180 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294156191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes i would assume < 1294156196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. C programs are linked to crt whatever, which contains the _start symbol. < 1294156196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :re dynamically linked < 1294156207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well crt is always compiled in < 1294156208 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statically linked, not dynamically. < 1294156213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll be dynamically linked to libc. < 1294156224 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one claimed it would be dynamically linked to crt0.o ... < 1294156265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyhow, at least my /bin/true is stripped, so it doesn't have the executable's own symbols any more. < 1294156267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, also, ELF(64) doesn't prepend _ to function names. < 1294156269 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fun, my /bin/true seems completely stripped of all symbols < 1294156277 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably they are in some -dbg packet < 1294156280 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :package* < 1294156314 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, objdump -f reports the entry point address; start from there. < 1294156331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, _start is still called _start < 1294156343 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, just check with an unstripped file < 1294156345 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, yes, but main is not changed to _main. < 1294156383 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I never claimed it was < 1294156390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that was elliott < 1294156408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is this true? < 1294156414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe so? < 1294156421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a misatke < 1294156424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mistake < 1294156501 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how tricky is un-inlineing? < 1294156538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for something like lostking.b it could be an optimisation I believe. < 1294156655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tricky. < 1294156663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think lostkng is goto-based, not procedures, no? maybe not < 1294156667 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you managed to compile bsnes? < 1294156685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: yes on linux, no on os x < 1294156689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd need a newer gcc < 1294156692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'd rather just get linux working < 1294156696 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have 4.5 and when i try to compile wiht 4.4 it makes problems with syntax < 1294156698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm. I just noticed a lot of code snippets showing up again and again over the file < 1294156706 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to install 4.5 either. < 1294156737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: well, you have to. < 1294156739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: gcc is very buggy. < 1294156754 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: besides, it needs a gcc with C++0x support < 1294156754 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not clang? < 1294156758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which 4.4 evidently doesn't have < 1294156762 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There really ought to be a word for anti-Luddites. < 1294156775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you have no idea how much emulator code gets badly compiled < 1294156785 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: the makefile specifically sets that gcc version when the OS is OS X, and for a reason < 1294156786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, apart from "anti-Luddites" you mean? < 1294156802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, people who view all new technology as wonderful and obviously superior to what went before. < 1294156804 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.4 has 0x < 1294156805 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, is it doing something strange then? < 1294156810 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott! < 1294156817 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't recognize []() { ... } < 1294156821 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me about that type system you mentioned earlier < 1294156824 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what 4.4 chokes on < 1294156824 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I mean, unless you JIT or do evil mangling or similar it should work, no? < 1294156835 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in theory at least < 1294156836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hahahaha < 1294156840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you have way too much faith in c compilers < 1294156843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: that's C++0x. < 1294156850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well duh, due to bugs it won't in practise < 1294156852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: you need a compiler with C++0x lambda support. get a gcc 4.5 binary. < 1294156857 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 4.4 has 0x mode at least < 1294156862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: but no lambda support < 1294156865 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1294156868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: http://lukepalmer.wordpress.com/category/code/ixi/ read from bottom to top < 1294156878 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is he using lambdas anyways? < 1294156935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, C++? lambdas? wait a second... Do they give you a proper closure? < 1294156946 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would seem they do < 1294156946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. < 1294156958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: because he built his gui layer around them < 1294156972 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha @ php, php has recently received closures. < 1294156997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :name\spaces < 1294157006 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can separately sort of tell which variables to capture. < 1294157012 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In a C++0x lambda.) < 1294157016 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what language would you use to write a program that needs to do lots of ioctl()s and similar? < 1294157024 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, namespaces in php are largely laughable < 1294157030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i wouldn't :> < 1294157040 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: haskell of course < 1294157042 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, in the hypothetical situation that you would. < 1294157042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or some ML dialect ... if I could get away with it ... maybe < 1294157059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell might work < 1294157062 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm. So good FFI there? < 1294157069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, just bindings. < 1294157073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don;'t know of any ml ffis < 1294157074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*don't < 1294157078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1294157078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1294157081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired < 1294157082 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1294157089 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, go sleep then? < 1294157104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: umm < 1294157104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can join oerjan in his sleep schedule < 1294157104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 4pm < 1294157108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to be up at 8am < 1294157112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1294157113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 to 9 < 1294157124 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both haskell and erlang have very good ffi < 1294157133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i slept now i would wake up at midnight < 1294157137 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i couldn;t anyway < 1294157138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not tired enough < 1294157140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*couldn't < 1294157149 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you'll get up at 4-5, which means you'll be allowed to oversleep for the next couple of weeks < 1294157157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shut up < 1294157178 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't nice :( < 1294157613 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I slept 24 hours once a week ago < 1294157642 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuously? < 1294157649 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1294157703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my "record" is about 16 hours I think < 1294157738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Had you not slept before? < 1294157783 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I had slept before. < 1294157833 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think mine may be like 20 hours, but not sure < 1294157878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how long ago? < 1294158067 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think the previous day. < 1294158199 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294158214 0 :Hilbert!~Hilbert@93.95.81.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294158240 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1294158246 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm completely lost < 1294158255 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: try and die >:) < 1294158256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg who got lambdabot < 1294158261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did you get lambdabot < 1294158277 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. < 1294158283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: permanent? :p < 1294158296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale certainly offered it. < 1294158310 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO LUCKY < 1294158314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 41+1 < 1294158314 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1294158335 0 :shachaf!~shachaf@208.69.183.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294158343 0 :Silvah!~Silvah@unaffiliated/silvah JOIN :#esoteric < 1294158348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cale, i.e. yes. < 1294158348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: done :) < 1294158349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear god Phantom_Hoover what did you do < 1294158355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're invading now < 1294158373 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, THE PORTAL IN THE CHANNELS WAS NOT MEANT TO BE < 1294158374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :our topic is not very presentable for this occasion < 1294158381 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE TAMPERED IN GOD'S DOMAIN < 1294158394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D or (hg) http://codu.org/projects/esotericlogs/hg/ < 1294158404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :act professional, everyone < 1294158411 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does his tie up.
< 1294158452 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Relax, people. I deal with esoteric languages all the time. < 1294158454 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294158466 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I'll probably be doing something with C++, for instance. < 1294158471 0 :Cale!~Cale@CPE00026f8481b6-CM00222d55727d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294158482 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it quit? < 1294158487 0 :Silvah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: seconded < 1294158493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It quit in #haskell as well, FWIW. < 1294158494 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wanted to make a change to the code < 1294158500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh :D < 1294158505 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's coming back up :) < 1294158508 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well of course, to be per channel it would be /part < 1294158516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or PART rather < 1294158518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: we apologise if it gets into one of our famous botloops. < 1294158525 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think lambdabot puts spaces in front of enough outputs to avoid that. < 1294158525 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: What, lambdabot doesn't support hot reloading of the startup code? :-) < 1294158534 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thankfully the last one was ages ago iirc? < 1294158537 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Was that bug fixed? < 1294158548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What bug? < 1294158559 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ bug ?where haskell < 1294158567 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, she's not even in here. < 1294158569 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo !echo `echo echo < 1294158580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I doubt she responds to herself. < 1294158581 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1294158588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But, er, if that works then yes, there is slight cause for concern. < 1294158590 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I believe the bots are configured to ignore each other. Also which one is @ ? < 1294158593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-P < 1294158594 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, you need two lambdabots for that to work. < 1294158600 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, lambdabot. < 1294158602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294158607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Say hello to EgoBot, HackEgo, and fungot. < 1294158607 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as for unix. ( at the problem: if a ranlib index is there really such a subdomain as far as i have < 1294158608 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as > and ?, it appears. < 1294158610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1294158610 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1294158615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot ignores all the bots though. < 1294158615 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i wonder if that isn't terrible, just to show a friend of mine heard shouted at his theatre, " it's _not_ a waste of my message was just too damn busy putting in multiple ways by the < 1294158618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But HackEgo talks to everyone I think. < 1294158624 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it hm < 1294158628 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It was a different change I wanted to make (the flags for running mueval) < 1294158635 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (`ls)S < 1294158636 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1294158636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(P.S. When is lambdabot going to be rewritten in Befunge?) < 1294158637 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Ah. < 1294158641 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets see < 1294158644 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1294158646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's obviously the most elegant and concise language for writing IRC bots: http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98) < 1294158646 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: upon setting establishing a dial up connection, large memory and a few < 1294158647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is hackego? < 1294158652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: down again probably < 1294158656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1294158659 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, wow, the joins take a long time < 1294158668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: I'm sure they'd go faster ... with Befunge! < 1294158675 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot's join list is getting kind of insane :P < 1294158685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psht, I remember when we were one of, like... 10 channels! < 1294158688 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294158689 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, your bots are not looking making a good impression. < 1294158691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the good old days. < 1294158692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+@ < 1294158694 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Prelude.read: no parse < 1294158694 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1294158696 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlambda `.xv < 1294158697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2 < 1294158697 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : x < 1294158698 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Prelude.read: no parse < 1294158706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo !echo `echo echo < 1294158706 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, lambadbot belongs here after all. < 1294158706 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric", < 1294158707 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :":@echo !echo `echo echo"]} rest:"!echo `echo echo" < 1294158717 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, how so? < 1294158726 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems buggy, but I'm no expert. < 1294158727 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, @bf and @unlambda. < 1294158734 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's not esoteric enough for this channel, though. < 1294158734 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, right < 1294158737 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>putStrLn "hello" < 1294158746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: EgoBot already does those! :-P < 1294158746 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "hello" < 1294158748 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Prelude.read: no parse < 1294158760 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and fungot too? < 1294158760 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: we're still picking up the core file, i get a zillion copies of the directory, it is possible there's a new conceptual grouping of processes). < 1294158761 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: mueval is broken. < 1294158766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not unlambda < 1294158770 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh right < 1294158774 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So is the Brainfuck 8-bit, 16-bit, bignum? Left-infinite or right-infinite tape? What EOF convention? (Any input?) < 1294158785 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@version < 1294158786 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot 4.2.2.1 < 1294158786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do c and d interact properly in the Unlambda? < 1294158786 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs get http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot < 1294158787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:D < 1294158792 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1294158793 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1294158794 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I always mix up {under,un}{load,lambda} for unknown reason < 1294158803 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly lambdabot should support Lazy K instead of unlambda. < 1294158806 0 :Silvah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, you broke lambdabot! < 1294158810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I approve. < 1294158812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more flexible! < 1294158815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j #haskell < 1294158816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1294158831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I pimp my monady IO library for Lazy K yet? < 1294158842 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS TOTALLY MONADY < 1294158855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/Plugin/BF.hs Wait, whre's the actual interpreter? < 1294158860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the sequencing is broken. < 1294158872 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Heh @ it being breadbox's though.) < 1294158932 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In the main directory. < 1294158949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294158987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1294158995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it's... right-infinite? I think so < 1294158998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-bit cells < 1294159002 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should support http://samuelhughes.com/boof/ < 1294159005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrap on overflow < 1294159015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Samuel Hughes != Sam Hughes? < 1294159020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It should support every language on http://esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list. < 1294159030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: But especially http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck/w/index.php%3Ftitle%3DTalk:Brainfuck/index.php. < 1294159030 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What do you mean? < 1294159032 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Some of them are uncomputable. < 1294159036 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, note that a fair deal of those languages are not computable. < 1294159040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: And it should support them best of all! < 1294159051 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some of them require time travel. < 1294159055 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The latter is an alias for the former, as far as I can tell. < 1294159065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, Sam Hughes of qntm.org. < 1294159066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like time travel is computable. < 1294159073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone with the same name is the same person! < 1294159075 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, it's "the other" Sam Hughes. < 1294159077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You heard it here first. < 1294159087 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiotic mob killed me in my new cavern < 1294159094 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've lost tools and coal < 1294159095 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1294159096 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;f < 1294159097 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How stupid of it. < 1294159099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: At least pretend this isn't #minecraft while we have guests. < 1294159109 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha! < 1294159113 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've caught you. < 1294159121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO WE TALK ABOUT ESOTERIC LANGUAGES _ALL DAY_ < 1294159128 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them, although computable, are not enough information to write implementation. < 1294159132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MINECRAFT IN AN ESOTERIC LANGUAGE < 1294159133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISCUSS < 1294159135 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1294159136 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guests < 1294159136 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Java? < 1294159139 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How esoteric. < 1294159152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh man, that's as funny as that one time someone called Perl line noise! < 1294159156 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, we have a well-established boundary between "esoteric" and "boring". < 1294159157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, yesterday's log is really big < 1294159158 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Actually we discuss like a lot of various things in this channel, although esoteric programming is its main topic. < 1294159166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. Boring languages are the ones we don't like. < 1294159168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ostensibly < 1294159173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric languages are the ones too repulsive to dislike. < 1294159174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, YES < 1294159186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, some esolangs are actually nice. < 1294159200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redivider is actually quite snazzy I've always thought. < 1294159207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We still need an Eodermdrome interpreter.) < 1294159234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Really though, our favourite esoteric language, so theoretical and academic to be almost useless, yet so beautiful in its purity that it's almost a shame that it's impossible to write real programs in it... < 1294159237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Haskell. < 1294159242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away, *very* quickly
< 1294159271 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why? I doubt most of #haskell would seriously disagree with you. < 1294159280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :touche :) < 1294159280 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294159287 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe dons and the other Galois folks. < 1294159290 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you think Haskell isn't theoretically pure *enough*. < 1294159298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well...yes...that is to say... < 1294159305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOK JUST BECAUSE I WANT DEPENDENT TYPES < 1294159319 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, as far as languages that *try* to be theoretically pure, Haskell probably ranks pretty badly. < 1294159320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND FRP RATHER THAN IO < 1294159341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just say that 'cuz Conal's surname is my name. < 1294159345 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should totally make a Haskell Lazy K interpreter. < 1294159346 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to stick together and all. < 1294159354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A Haskell interpreter in Lazy K? < 1294159355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve. < 1294159359 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOTH! < 1294159363 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any language that uses FRP in any meaningful way? < 1294159372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Conalskell! < 1294159375 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is pretty much right on the boundary between research languages and languages that are practical to use < 1294159377 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :First the Lazy K interpreter. < 1294159386 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is "elliott" /= "elliottt"? < 1294159397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes indeed. < 1294159407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In fact I have talked to elliottt before I believe. Quite confusing. < 1294159412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I'm = ehird. < 1294159413 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematica 7 has a sorta FRP-like thing which actually works, but isn't very theoretically nice. < 1294159422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: Plus it's Mathematica. < 1294159429 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you're ehird. OK. < 1294159437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, now you know my secret. < 1294159446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be sneakier. < 1294159496 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294159576 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel seems like such a time-waster. < 1294159585 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't play Minecraft, though.
< 1294159595 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So presumably when you show your true colors it'll subside. < 1294159663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That is, until you start playing. < 1294159678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually we seem to have had a slight break in Minecraft chat due to Christmas. It has been replaced with silence. < 1294159686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it's picking up again. < 1294159697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear we talk about other things sometimes too though, I just have no idea what they are. < 1294159770 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:42 < Cale> Haskell is pretty much right on the boundary between research languages and languages that are practical to use < 1294159778 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it sound like haskell is almost useless < 1294159805 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Well, it basically just became useful for industry work :) < 1294159827 0 :Silvah!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1294159834 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: In the last few years or so. < 1294159837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: yeah sure, with your wimpy typesystem < 1294159880 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play Minecraft either. < 1294159882 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (،،3) 1 2 < 1294159882 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really am amazed how people can use haskell types to set up the program to be correct in various ways < 1294159885 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (،،3) 1 2 < 1294159887 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (3,2,1) < 1294159899 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did make up a lot of my own games, though. < 1294159909 0 :distant_figure!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1294159911 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I try to do that I find that I don't need some feature that don't exist < 1294159930 0 :distant_figure!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1294159956 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, wait, to prove it correct? < 1294159962 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294159977 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear GOD, why is it so hard to find a list of reasons why sucks. < 1294159985 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not abtsract high level correctness but simple stuff < 1294160029 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, PHP, C++, Java: these are all considered suckish. Yet it is nigh-impossible to find reasons for this. < 1294160038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1294160046 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just assumed that you *know* why they suck. < 1294160085 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I would like to make a game < 1294160112 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I could be bothered to actually type out all the code for the thing |I have in mind tohugh :( < 1294160129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294160142 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, what is it? < 1294160212 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The question of why those suck comes up all the time and has been answered on the web, mailing lists, and elsewhere countless times :) < 1294160232 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale, but actually finding those answers is hard. < 1294160240 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: What ideas do you have for making a game? < 1294160268 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The easiest reason that those three all suck is that they have no proper support for functions. < 1294160274 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well not so much a game but just an program that lets you immerse yourself in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombic_dodecahedral_honeycomb < 1294160283 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so it could be like a maze < 1294160305 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you could go into detail, but why nitpick when there's a gigantic glaring flaw :) < 1294160309 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, make it a text game. < 1294160313 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Have you tried any of my games? Feel free also to modify them. < 1294160322 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do anya of them work on ubuntu? < 1294160336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, DO NOT BE DRAWN IN BY ZZO < 1294160337 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@p4FF68F66.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294160346 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Yes, any MegaZeux games will work if you compile MegaZeux for Ubuntu. < 1294160360 0 :Cale!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've known how to implement first class functions efficiently for decades, and we've known about their importance to abstraction since before the dawn of electronic computing. There's no excuse. :) < 1294160387 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: link? < 1294160391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale: also they have mutability < 1294160393 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to your MegaZeux games < 1294160399 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:59 < Khaos> !pom < 1294160399 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:59 < Rodney> The Moon is New. New moon in NetHack for the next 3 days. < 1294160400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weak to no type system < 1294160406 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot needs to get this functionality. < 1294160421 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/ASCMZXTO/ASCMZXTO.ZIP < 1294160438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: psht, soon you will ascend from nethack to playing dwarf fortress. then you'll descend from playing dwarf fortress to lego^Wminecraft. < 1294160441 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here is the source code of MegaZeux so that it can be compiled: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/mzx1/mzx_extended/megazeux_src.zip < 1294160459 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: shouldn't I use http://sourceforge.net/projects/megazeux/files/megazeux/2.82b/megazeux_2.82b_amd64.deb/download ? < 1294160462 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1294160470 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dwarf Fortress? Minecraft? What about your liberty? < 1294160470 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1294160487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: NetHack takes away the liberty referred to as "free time" < 1294160535 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think of my idea < 1294160555 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: No. You can also get the latest version compiled from http://vault.digitalmzx.net/ but my version has some additional features and other things. < 1294160559 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dwarf Fortress doesn't provide the source code. Minecraft doesn't even provide the binary without payment. < 1294160575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And NetHack doesn't provide free time. < 1294160588 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: did you write the music for this? < 1294160596 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Maybe you can make a game? < 1294160600 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Look, in this comparison you're not gaining anything by saying that one of them takes away your free time. < 1294160609 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's considered an invariant. < 1294160619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not actually being serious < 1294160638 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: The music for the game? I typed in the music for the title screen and some others. I didn't compose the music myself though. < 1294160640 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gee I don't know how to press F5 < 1294160646 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't completely either.
< 1294160650 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I like this music < 1294160655 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's an old tune < 1294160660 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had more or less stopped with NetHack until two people independently tried to get me to start again. < 1294160664 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sighs.
< 1294160671 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: What kind of computer are you using that you don't know how to push F5 key? < 1294160679 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also push "P", that also works. < 1294160697 0 :shachaf!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vanishes in a puff of orange smoke.
< 1294160700 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In case the F5 key is broken) < 1294160831 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know if this is a bug I am stuck < 1294160865 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Where did you get stuck? Describe. < 1294160880 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole screen is grey except for a box < 1294160887 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/nkc4J.png < 1294160904 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: That is a dark room. Push T to light a torch. < 1294160912 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1294160913 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294160915 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also push H for help) < 1294160933 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not very good at games :P < 1294161015 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the music thuogh < 1294161065 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294161072 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Also, if you have a DOS emulator, you might want to try the CGA Collection games (there are many different ones, but they are all small games). Here is a wiki article about the Super ASCII MZX Town series: http://www.digitalmzx.net/wiki/index.php?title=Super_ASCII_MZX_Town < 1294161103 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which statements in the list in the "Criticize" section do you think are true and which do you think are untrue? < 1294161126 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play this game < 1294161128 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more < 1294161135 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm dead < 1294161161 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: OK continue playing Super ASCII MZX Town. It is good game but it is difficult. If you get dead you can try again. Remember to save game. < 1294161188 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Push F9 to quicksave, F3 to save in a different filename (in case you want multiple save files), F10 to quickload, and F4 to select a file to restore a save game.) < 1294161191 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DID YOU KNOW THAT 100% OF THE PEOPLE THAT ENTER THE TOWER OF DOOM DIE?" lol < 1294161315 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew how to press F-keys < 1294161336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: um by pressing them? < 1294161336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You depress them. < 1294161346 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: What kind of computer are you using? < 1294161366 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are pictures on the Fkeys like mute, audio up, turn off internet... I don't know why < 1294161371 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that is what they do < 1294161374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: mac by any chance? < 1294161376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: try Fn+Fkey < 1294161380 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: that sends the actual f key < 1294161389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works with most laptops that do that shit < 1294161408 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: You might also have to change a BIOS setting. Some laptop computers allow changing this mode by BIOS setting. < 1294161472 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you need an inappropriate key" haha < 1294161522 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there a timer in the forest? < 1294161557 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Because that level (and some other levels) are timed. When you run out of time you lose 2 health points. < 1294161595 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when I set display mode to health I don't see health < 1294161609 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I do, my character is a number now < 1294161621 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: That is because you have 100 or more. If you have less than 100, the face representing the player displays the tens digit of the health. < 1294161726 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also push ENTER to display status) < 1294161754 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1294162061 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a key t osave other than F3? < 1294162064 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Was that arbitrary-placement thing fixed by SSI? < 1294162094 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Yes, F9 is quicksave, it saves in the same filename previously selected. F3 allows you to enter a new filename to save, in case you want multiple save files. < 1294162109 0 :sspm!~sandesh@117.254.31.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294162111 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I meant other than an F-key < 1294162165 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: No, sorry. (Next time you reboot the computer, check the BIOS setting for the setting of F-keys.) < 1294162204 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured out how to press those keys < 1294162228 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, changing the BIOS setting might make it easier to press those keys. < 1294162429 0 :sspm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to install mysql on ubuntu 10.10? < 1294162446 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo-apt get install mysql < 1294162464 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: Probably something like: sudo apt-get install mysql < 1294162485 0 :sspm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to start orca software? < 1294162501 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: Did you try typing in "orca"? Did you look through the menus? < 1294162561 0 :sspm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to install it but it didn't work...! < 1294162645 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: Maybe you need a different package name. In Ubuntu, if you try to type in a name of a program that is not installed, it will tell you what the package name is. < 1294162690 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes; it no longer accepts place-block messages if you aren't holding that particular block. < 1294162780 0 :sspm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i installed orca,will it start automatically or some setting has to be done... < 1294162809 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: Do you know if there is a IRC channel for orca? Did you read the manual page for orca? < 1294162818 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about that program. < 1294162828 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this is great < 1294162839 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got to the lava two screens past the forest < 1294162866 0 :sspm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1294162922 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: OK. Any questions about that screen? Do you mean the one where they sell the inappropriate keys? < 1294162928 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294162935 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda < 1294163115 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: You won't be able to continue at that level until you find the purple keycard (not because you need it for this level, but for an entirely different reason). (Hint: When a transporter is blocked you will move to the corresponding one on the other side. This might help you find the keycard?) < 1294163160 0 :sspm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the command to start orca?\ < 1294163172 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: cheater99's command is wrong that surely won't help you install the program. Did you try "man orca"? < 1294163213 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: Also, is there a webpage or book or something for that program? You can also look there. < 1294163245 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, i was missing count=10240 < 1294163251 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda count=10240 < 1294163259 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact you can couple it with apt-get < 1294163307 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda count=10240; sudo apt-get orca; halt -pfw < 1294163422 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: Did you know cheater99 is cheating? < 1294163447 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't do those commands! < 1294163456 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a cheater :p < 1294163476 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it will install orca on his ubuntu, not sure what you mean < 1294163500 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like it'll erase his hard disk. < 1294163599 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I doubt it will install anything. Maybe "sudo apt-get install orca" might work, though. Your long command will not. < 1294163622 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, let him try it and see who's right < 1294163663 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I suggest he tries my way first; your way might mess up his computer. < 1294163678 0 :sspm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to whom should i trust? < 1294163679 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get can't mess up a computer, it uses debian packages! < 1294163686 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: trust debian < 1294163702 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: But dd can. Also, apt-get requires more parameters, I think. < 1294163732 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: apt-get is smart enough on its own. < 1294163750 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: Just try "man apt-get" then if you want to read the manual page to make sure. < 1294163760 0 :sspm!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now just tell me command for starting orca < 1294163771 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: Did you try typing "orca" or "man orca"? < 1294163777 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda count=10240; sudo apt-get orca; halt -pfw < 1294163796 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: No that is wrong! < 1294163799 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop cheating!! < 1294163801 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1294163814 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop trying to make sspm install man on his computer!!! < 1294163818 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll mess it up < 1294163856 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: I am not trying to make sspm install man on his computer. man is probably already installed and it won't mess up. < 1294163871 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you are < 1294163886 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : sspm: Just try "man apt-get" << uh huh and then his computer doesn't boot < 1294163950 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: It will boot if nothing was damaged (this includes both physical damage and damage due to programming). < 1294163983 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well then why are you telling him to use man? < 1294164003 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: To read the manual page so that he can try to understand how it works. < 1294164023 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, read it after his computer melts down < 1294164026 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read & weep < 1294164032 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are worried about whether man is dangerous read man man first < 1294164084 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: His computer won't melt unless he overheats it. < 1294164119 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: that would probably complately disintegrate his PCB < 1294164154 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sspm: If you are worries about whether man is dangerous, go to the computer store near you, and ask the people who work there. Maybe they don't know; but it is better than nothing. < 1294164261 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you think about the rhombic dodecahedron honeycomb < 1294164281 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I think you might try making a game with it if you want to. < 1294164335 0 :sspm!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1294164581 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I type the license exception properly? http://sprunge.us/PMNW < 1294164711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: dude i think you just wiped sspm's disk < 1294164717 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except he didn't use sudo probably < 1294164993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294165025 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294165145 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294165231 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-220-72.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294165413 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yooo #VIDEOPOSTERID#, take a look at "stream episodes (DOT) net" to be able to enjoy complete tv shows and movies considering that youtube won't permit these videos." .. sigh < 1294165431 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well just scream " I AM A SPAMMER" < 1294165484 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lugh you have supposed to have a youtube account in order to flag spam < 1294165558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294165711 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294165720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294165787 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294165795 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1294165805 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai < 1294165848 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O HAI, I'M ROGER PENROSE. < 1294165863 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[]-o < 1294165866 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TENSOR PRODUCT < 1294165933 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the crazy thing Penrose believed? < 1294165961 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about quantum theory and spirits or something, no? < 1294165962 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The only analogy to the Emperor's New Clothes in operation about this subject is that no one has seriously condemned Penrose's mystifying jaunt into neuroscience as the ridiculous crap that it is" < 1294165973 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1294165975 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The notion that the brain violates Godel's Theorem, and therefore cannot be represented by a computable function, and therefore it must be QUANTUM is fractally retarded. Not one aspect of the story makes any sense. I've always been mystified by the idea." < 1294165979 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1294165990 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/evyew/roger_penrose_was_dropped_down_a_class_for_being/c1beffe < 1294166007 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be too harsh on the guy, though < 1294166009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294166018 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many big names in science tend to do that once in a while < 1294166030 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Venture outside their field of expertise and start going crazy < 1294166068 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Penrose tiles useful or just beautiful? < 1294166068 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My interest in the tiles has to do with the idea of a universe controlled by very simple forces, even though we see complications all over the place. The tilings follow conventional rules to make complicated patterns. It was an attempt to see how the complicated could be satisfied by very simple rules that reflect what we see in the world. < 1294166069 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294166072 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is partially quantum. (Whether it violates Godel's Theorem I do not know, though.) Also, it is possible to emulate quantum computer on a classical computer but it uses up a lot more time and space. < 1294166129 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, well, of course it's partially quantum. So is everything. < 1294166147 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I thought they sort of ruled out the possibility of any quantum mechanical effect being crucial to the functioning of the brain - but I watched some quantum biology talks where they refute the heat&size arguments in photosynthesis - so it's tricky < 1294166147 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is whether or not it's quantum enough to make it noncomputable. < 1294166154 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Yes, but not quite what I was trying to mean. < 1294166163 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : Everything is entirely quantum < 1294166168 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what shit is made of! < 1294166168 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Penrose likes to say "microtubles" < 1294166185 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"quantum" in this case means having an essential non-classical operation < 1294166197 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: But I think quantum computation is *not* uncomputable? Isn't it??? < 1294166261 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah quantum mechanical computation is turing equivalent < 1294166303 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any super-turing computer in nature would be a massive discovery, something on the same scale of importance as discovering evolution or gravity < 1294166345 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The essential quantum ingredient is one from which emerges (among other things) quantum free will (which is different from classical free will). And then there are some other things too. Including quantum consciousness, quantum evolution, quantum immortality, and Heisenberg. < 1294166376 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1294166378 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate you < 1294166381 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you say "free will", that's a technical term isn't it? < 1294166392 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: how do you define "turing equivalent"? < 1294166392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There is no such thing as quantum free will. < 1294166393 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, these are emergent phenomena, which have partially to do with required quantum phenomena. < 1294166400 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: seriously? < 1294166402 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remain convinced that the very concept of free will is stupid. < 1294166402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Congrats, you're spewing quantumbabble. < 1294166408 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how do you define it? < 1294166412 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: seriously < 1294166412 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: With MAGIC < 1294166426 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you were expecting well-reasoned, sane thought from zzo38? < 1294166436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I don't expect quantum crackpottery. < 1294166440 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: if you can simulate a turing machine with it, and a turing machine can simulate it < 1294166467 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think there is a such thing as quantum free will. There is also such thing as classical free will. But I do not believe in classical free will. I do believe in quantum free will. < 1294166469 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: with QM you need to put the condition that the result is correct with probability 1-epsilon < 1294166480 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is your evidence? < 1294166512 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I think you know this :| < 1294166515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: To start with, I would like a definition of quantum free will. < 1294166534 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A mathematical definition, do you mean? < 1294166543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Any definition, so long as it is precise. < 1294166544 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC "free will" is a technical term < 1294166553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I doubt he means it in that sense. < 1294166556 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing to do with that spiritual nonsense < 1294166560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A definition will tell. < 1294166570 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, what does it mean in technical terms? < 1294166574 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yes, but they are not equivalent if you're including a probability < 1294166607 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Penrose notes that the present home of computing lies more in the tangible world of classical mechanics than in the imponderable realm of quantum mechanics]] — WP < 1294166616 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: really? can you elaborate because I thought that was a pretty sound definition < 1294166620 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell do microchips not use QM? < 1294166628 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: see above < 1294166644 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:35 < j-invariant> "quantum" in this case means having an essential non-classical operation < 1294166656 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1294166667 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. exploiting entanglement, interference etc. < 1294166672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well? < 1294166677 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a double meaning < 1294166698 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, don't microchips kind of rely on energy levels or somesuch? < 1294166718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are there super-turing computers that do not solve the halting problem? < 1294166741 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I don't really know aboult microchips but I think you can understand them classically < 1294166763 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am figuring it out now. < 1294166790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: actually they've had to account for quantum tunneling in recent designs < 1294166793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tunnelling < 1294166797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the parts have got so damn small < 1294166799 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't see how the hell the brain violates Gödel. < 1294166808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: bCuZ 0f m4jik < 1294166809 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: it doesn't < 1294166815 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: the whole thing is bullshit < 1294166816 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I doubt it violates Godel. It doesn't have to. < 1294166841 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, just get on with defining quantum free will so we can tear it apart. < 1294166858 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.1729.com/consciousness/math-journal.html < 1294166874 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, so wait, he just says "the brain violates Gödel" and doesn't justify? < 1294166884 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: that's a joke yes < 1294166902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1294166905 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it links to http://www.1729.com/consciousness/godel.html < 1294166945 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I probaly need to brush up on basics of quantum computing < 1294166971 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yes < 1294166982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://amazingformula.com/ this is the greatest thing ever < 1294166988 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: yes what? < 1294167020 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION needs to learn the basics of quantum computing.
< 1294167029 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: a quantum TM /can/ be simulated by a probabilistic TM, but not fully accurately by a non-deterministic TM < 1294167069 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are saying the turing machine is stronger than the QTM? < 1294167102 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that QTMs are quivalent to NTMs, which can do more than TMs (/but/ a TM can caclulate anything an NTM can, just it might be slower) < 1294167128 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your notion of equivalence takes complexity into account/ < 1294167128 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, the program "halt with 50% probability" cannot be implemented in a TM < 1294167129 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1294167133 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1294167145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:51 coppro: for instance, the program "halt with 50% probability" cannot be implemented in a TM < 1294167149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it can! < 1294167149 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take complexity into account, QTMs are stronger than both NTMs and TMs < 1294167156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider any program written in PHP < 1294167159 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1294167250 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you write a random number generator with a quantum TM? < 1294167255 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(true random numbers)# < 1294167263 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1294167267 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a turing machine can't do that < 1294167271 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1294167285 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simply construct the state 1/sqrt(2)|0> + 1/sqrt(2)|1> and measure it < 1294167292 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a 50-50 chance of getting either 1 or 0 < 1294167334 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus a QTM is stronger than a TM < 1294167364 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, true turing machines are not possible in anything that can actually be physically constructed, anyways. < 1294167374 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, of course < 1294167383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you defined quantum free will yet? < 1294167397 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :entanglement is more fun though < 1294167407 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/sqrt(2)|00> + 1/sqrt(2)|11> ... what? < 1294167408 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill be back < 1294167418 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION loves having a course in 25-year old math at his school
< 1294167522 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1294167541 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1294167594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, you can join oerjan in his sleep schedule < 1294167599 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaa < 1294167618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: THE BEST SCHEDULE < 1294167681 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an appointment tomorrow and by my calculations it seems impossible to get more than at most 5 hours sleep in between < 1294167689 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1294167705 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, what's wrong with that? < 1294167714 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 year old maths is relatively young. < 1294167724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said loves < 1294167739 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sarcasm? < 1294167772 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantum free will is an emergent phenomena. You have to treat different ontologies as being different faces of the same underlying thing. Also, free will is not as free as perfectly; the laws of physics are still followed, including all probabilities are still correct and so on. Neurons still work and such. < 1294167781 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-65-80.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1294167791 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: it was not sarcasm < 1294167801 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a 10-year-old course on 25-year-old math is /awesome/ < 1294167807 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entanglement is also relevant. < 1294167810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: OK, but you have not defined what quantum free will is. < 1294167819 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have just said that it is an emergent phenomenon, not told us what it actually is. < 1294167822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is quantum free will? < 1294167839 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you take complexity into account, QTMs are stronger than both NTMs and TMs < 1294167869 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, it is not known what relation there is between QTM and NTM < 1294167926 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Entanglement with non-existent phenomena. You use the same equations as normal entanglement, because it *is* normal entanglement; but it an infinite metaphysical mathematical series with things from other possible and impossible universes. < 1294167927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1294167929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BQP is not known to contain NP, nor vice versa. BQP is contained in PSPACE though iirc < 1294167929 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the human mind (even within the realm of pure mathematics) infinitely surpasses the powers of any finite machine, or else there exist absolutely unsolvable Diophantine problems of the type specified [above]" —Goedel < 1294167936 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gödel: so stoopid < 1294167955 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to treat it that life and universe creates each other, rather than only one way permitted. < 1294167957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So, any entanglement with non-existent phenomena is "quantum free will"? < 1294167960 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → food
< 1294167963 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what the hell is metaphysical < 1294167968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the definition of quantum free will? "Entanglement with non-existent phenomena"? < 1294167978 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1294167986 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see: subtitle of scott aaronson's blog) < 1294168043 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See "Biocentrism (cosmology)" on wikipedia and then double-reverse it into a cosmology loop and write the equation for a entanglement with non-existent phenomena (you can do so using the normal equations for quantum entanglement), and then you might understand slightly. < 1294168080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, no, I think I'll just come to an even better realisation of the fact that what you said has no grounding in science or logic, makes no sense at all, and should not be considered by any sane or insane person. < 1294168083 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means the universe created itself by a causality loop and destroys itself by a causality loop. < 1294168094 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to be talking about something else entirely now. < 1294168100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that is proof of the interconnectedness of all things? < 1294168135 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it is the meta-lemma. < 1294168152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you trolling me < 1294168163 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am not intending to. < 1294168183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're succeeding < 1294168202 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is not my intention. Sorry. < 1294168337 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is based on the hard problem of consciousness (actually a slight variation) creates the universe and vice versa. The problem is therefore unsolvable. But so are many other problems. < 1294168342 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't get that godel quote < 1294168351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: godel is stupid too! < 1294168358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: btw can you help me understand this sentence "See "Biocentrism (cosmology)" on wikipedia and then double-reverse it into a cosmology loop and write the equation for a entanglement with non-existent phenomena (you can do so using the normal equations for quantum entanglement), and then you might understand slightly." < 1294168381 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: zzo38 has read GEB < 1294168386 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe that's the problem? < 1294168399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: so have I and I recovered < 1294168403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess his mind might be more impressionable? < 1294168405 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :barely. < 1294168407 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1294168407 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/cosmology loop/causality loop/ < 1294168418 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I made a typing mistake that is why you cannot understand it at first. < 1294168424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i still don't understand :) < 1294168429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i understand less < 1294168436 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coincidentally, Godel proved that relativity admits a unuiverse with time loops through every point in spacetime < 1294168439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what on earth has that page got to do with causality. < 1294168466 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe I cannot explain it very well. < 1294168476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you sure _you_ understand what it means? < 1294168502 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, I don't understand it perfectly either. But I understand it better than you. < 1294168516 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: iis it really correct to say the quantum turing machine computes more things than normal turing machine? < 1294168521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I very much doubt that; true understanding almost always admits even a very glossed-over explanation. < 1294168545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you cannot explain it in any way at all that anyone else can understand, I find it incredibly unlikely that you understand it at all, or that it is even a well-defined concept. < 1294168592 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: They have the same computational power < 1294168603 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But I did explain it! < 1294168604 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but a QTM can give stochastic output < 1294168607 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas a TM cannot < 1294168612 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also a QTM is faster) < 1294168626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No! You just gave me a few sentences that didn't make any sense, and one extra one that made _no_ sense to do with reversing Wikipedia articles and writing an equation based on that or something. < 1294168657 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you know how to write equation for entanglement? < 1294168682 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back. < 1294168702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How do I reverse the Wikipedia article into a causality loop exactly? < 1294168718 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not the article, but the idea discussed by the article. < 1294168739 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know the definition of two entangled qubits < 1294168745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294168764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you explain? < 1294168781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as far as I can tell that biocentrism thing is just a quack unfalsifiable theory by an irrelevant crackpot. < 1294168785 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write the entanglement equation, and then assume that one part is not part of the universe. And then assume that is also an entanglement with another object in a doubly-non-existing universe, and so on. < 1294168797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1294168802 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's not how entanglement works < 1294168803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you are still making zero sense. < 1294168807 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you a tensor product? < 1294168815 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: information can't flow through through an entanglement "channel" < 1294168828 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders how elliott was the one who ended up in the looney bin.
< 1294168828 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294168834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my head is going to explode unless zzo38 starts making sense really soon < 1294168841 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: although the proof of this is a fair bit beyond my knowledge < 1294168848 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I also thought biocentrism is unfalsifyable, but they say it isn't. I'm not sure I believe them. But it is not important because it is based on philosophy instead. < 1294168848 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-175-152.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294168864 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Exactly. Information is not *supposed* to flow through an entanglement "channel". < 1294168869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: unfalsifiable theories cannot hide behind "philosophy" < 1294168871 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, QUICK BE SANE ZZO IS BREAKING US DOWN < 1294168875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I say that the universe is duckcentric. < 1294168879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The universe only exists because of ducks. < 1294168886 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say it's centricentric. < 1294168890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ this makes just as much sense and is just as falsifiable as "biocentrism" < 1294168890 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort of lost wrt this quantum TM stuff < 1294168891 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say it's concentric. < 1294168894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: therefore you have to consider it too < 1294168897 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But correlation does. < 1294168909 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? It is correlation. < 1294168910 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not clear what hte "output" of a QTM is < 1294168921 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you measure everything at the end, you do not have a function < 1294168932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what < 1294168937 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do quantum computers work from a many-worlds perspective? < 1294168949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: the way they normally do? < 1294168955 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you consider the probaiblity distribution then the output is a continous function (which is incomparable to the discrete output of a turing machine) < 1294168961 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ... < 1294168962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: i prefer many worlds to copenhagen FWIW < 1294168976 0 :Hilbert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Hilbert < 1294168978 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I understand what you are saying about biocentrism. In my opinion it is a philosophical position, not a scientific one. Some people disagree. In my opinion however, biocentrism is wrong, the better way is it creates each-other and itself by causality loop. < 1294168982 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: weird... physically classical mechanics is continuous and quantum is discrete: but the computational models are switched! < 1294168983 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so how does one view quantum computers from many worlds? < 1294168985 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294168988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why is life relevant < 1294168995 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why not the universe and rocks create each other < 1294169000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why not the universe and mountains create each other < 1294169003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the universe and life? < 1294169006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you defend that at all? < 1294169009 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought many worlds /was/ copenhagen < 1294169011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I don't understand the question. < 1294169018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: no, copenhagen is "magic physical wave-function collapse" < 1294169019 0 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294169024 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Rocks too! Mountains too! But their kind of free will is lesser because it is lesser usable. It is more solid state. < 1294169032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok just checking < 1294169039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rocks created the universe because they have free will? < 1294169044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not really because they don't have free enough will? < 1294169046 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the hard problem did not exist then neither would the universe. < 1294169048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are crazy. < 1294169058 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, life is required too, for certain definitions of "life". < 1294169059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your theory is incomprehensible. < 1294169064 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am against many worlds because it makes my excuse for not doing homework fallacious. < 1294169064 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hard problem of consciouness? < 1294169074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: :D < 1294169081 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I support any theory that gets me out of homework. < 1294169082 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Yes (actually a slight variation of such). < 1294169179 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294169190 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, maybe, it should be called the "hard mystery"? < 1294169208 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, with Copenhagen I can say "ah, but I used a quantum RNG to decide whether or not to do my homework, so you can't observe it without collapsing the waveform which makes it your fault if I haven't done it." < 1294169209 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you explain it < 1294169220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Do you actually say that. < 1294169246 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I tried it on my physics teacher, who was amused enough that I dodged a detention. < 1294169261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: i was unaware that that was even possible < 1294169271 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand many worlds though < 1294169281 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: No. It is unexplainable. < 1294169295 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, amusing teachers or dodging detentions? < 1294169304 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any two photon/antiphoton(which is just a photon again) pairs in different universes can interact < 1294169310 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you measure everything at the end, you do not have a function <-- that's afaik what you do. and while some of the result may be random, not all needs to be. or may only be different with a bounded probability. so you can use it to compute. < 1294169314 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has nothing to do with how smart you are, though. < 1294169328 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why is it that there is not so much random noise throughout the universe to ruin everything? < 1294169333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: dodging detention by being a smartass :) < 1294169346 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's what I started with but coppro objected < 1294169347 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nothing is unexplainable except the meaningless. < 1294169353 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's worked surprisingly well so far. < 1294169356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waits for oerjan to pounce on him for that.
< 1294169385 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my car froze to the parking < 1294169449 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i might pounce if i understood it ;D < 1294169522 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: note, by "everything", you should mean "all the final qubits". you certainly don't measure the quantum state function. < 1294169535 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: we need to find the number of Canada's men in white coats as soon as possible. < 1294169628 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wishes he knew QM.
< 1294169643 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say you have a binary state like |ab> with |00>=[1;0;0;0] and |11>=[0;0;0;1] then if you have [1;0;0;1] and then normalized then are dependent on each other. Except that for quantum free will you need an infinite state vector that describes things that do not exist, even inside of the non-existent universe to which is being referred. Whether or not this number is countably infinite is unknown, but it is infinite. < 1294169751 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if he should bother even to parse that, let alone interpret it.
< 1294169794 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Interpret" really isn't the word to use in the context of extracting meaning from language. < 1294169795 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: How well do you understand Dirac notation? < 1294169825 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, you're really compiling from words to brainese. < 1294169860 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do XChat's ignores persist when you close it? < 1294169882 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they do not. < 1294169927 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Can you place the ignores in an initialization file? < 1294169936 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I donot know what you mean by quantum free will < 1294169943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: yes they do < 1294169943 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noöne does < 1294169952 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but I think it's not the same free will as in Conways Free will theorem < 1294169957 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm, my ignore list was certainly clear. < 1294169970 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I ignored Mathnerd a while ago... < 1294169977 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: But I explained it a bit! Try to do the math and see if that helps. < 1294169984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is no math in whaty ou said. < 1294170002 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There is math in what I said. < 1294170021 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what math?? < 1294170039 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two kets? < 1294170074 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: The math for quantum physics. I didn't write out all the equations but you can find them in various books or Wikipedia, and then work them with the changes I have specified to see what happens. < 1294170100 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you would have to write up this whole idea in a .txt or something - but don't do that if you don't want to < 1294170131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: unfortunately you have been unable to give a coherent explanation of the "theory" to even _near_ the detail required for anyone else to even begin to try to understand it. < 1294170138 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Or, perhaps, a TeX document so that I can include mathematical formulas in it. < 1294170143 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes] < 1294170168 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why, exactly, do you hate LaTeX? < 1294170208 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually you can understand it but you have to do it yourself. Not everything is explainable in words directly. Therefore you have to do it indirectly. < 1294170247 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I have tried LaTeX it doesn't work well. Also LaTeX is too much too many things. And even Plain TeX is slightly large, but I use Plain TeX it is OK. < 1294170259 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really liek the music on ACSMZXTO < 1294170347 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: You do? Which levels have you reached yet? (Note this is a full length game and difficult, with 90 screens. Other games I have created are short ones that are more like arcade games or level puzzle games.) < 1294170367 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's as far as I have got - I am not good at these games at all but it is fun < 1294170447 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Right. You could try the CGA Collection games, in which you can try for win/lose/score and try various levels and stuff, because they are a different kind of games. (You need a DOS emulator to run them) < 1294170476 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or else, boot into FreeDOS if you don't mind doing that) < 1294170500 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't what happens when I push the switch < 1294170520 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: What switch are you refering to? < 1294170525 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: please link to a precise description of your theory < 1294170543 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I don't have one yet. Sorry. < 1294170554 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION would like to stab everyone who writes emulators using a plugin architecture.
< 1294170566 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of them on the screen with the person who wants a flashy diamnd < 1294170586 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: why pray tell < 1294170624 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: It makes using the emulator a royal pain, and simply *having* a plugin architecture usually compromises emulation accuracy and compatibility. < 1294170633 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: They make the doors near the flashy diamond to be passable. < 1294170641 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You need all three switches) < 1294170655 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I say "usually" because it is of course *possible* to do that right, but nobody ever does.) < 1294170701 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but I can't read the red switch < 1294170741 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Yes, you have done it wrong. Hint: You *need* to find the purple keycard. (Hint: It is behind the tree.) < 1294170754 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a different screen? < 1294170770 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, have you *tried* Playstation emulation? < 1294170783 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: No, a tree on the same screen. < 1294170805 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see!! < 1294170816 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have touched even one switch you have missed it and have to restore the saved game file. < 1294170889 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there doesn't seem to be anything to do with the purple keycard < 1294170928 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: The purple keycard is not used in this level, but it is important to go behind the tree where it is found. < 1294170961 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to move the green slime somewhere? < 1294171011 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Yes. < 1294171033 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where? < 1294171099 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Do you know how the transporters work? Or how the potions work? < 1294171124 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really no < 1294171225 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. If a transporter is blocked (and the blocking object cannot be pushed out of the way), you are transported through to the corresponding one facing in the other direction at the other end (regardless of whether or not the other one is blocked in the pointing direction; but it must not be blocked in the opposite direction (where you end up from the other transport)). (Pushable objects can also be transported.) < 1294171235 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hates it when people say "two is the only even prime" as if it's interesting.
< 1294171302 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: it is more interesting than it seems < 1294171310 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I saw the same thing on a Jyte claim. At first I believed it but now I think "two is the only even prime" is in fact an interesting statement there are some important theorems which do not work without considering this fact fundamentally. < 1294171317 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, how? < 1294171336 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It follows trivially from the definitions of primality and evenness. < 1294171356 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Yes it does follow. That doesn't mean it is not important though! < 1294171366 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :three is the only threven prime < 1294171383 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"two is the oddest prime" < 1294171385 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 5 is the only prime that ends with '5' in base 10. < 1294171420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wat < 1294171420 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: damn right < 1294171437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pumpkin: oh god you're in here too? < 1294171438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INFLUX < 1294171442 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, DENY IT AT YOUR RISK < 1294171449 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 is the only prime that ends in 7 in base 14 < 1294171450 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/RISK/PERIL/ < 1294171458 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 base 14. < 1294171465 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE WHERE PEOPLE CARE MORE ABOUT THREE THAN TWO < 1294171483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ALTERNATE < 1294171503 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: Those statements are correct, and seemingly similar, but actually there is an important meaning for "2 is the only even prime" in some other mathematical stuff. < 1294171522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: threven is the best type of number < 1294171528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can we talk about threven numbers daily < 1294171545 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about BASE 14? < 1294171560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure we _can_ < 1294171563 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GODDAMN IT WHY AREN'T THERE CAPITAL NUMBERS < 1294171574 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASE !$ JUST DOESN'T CUT IT < 1294171575 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is entirely physically possible < 1294171581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's do so < 1294171590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: damn base 41 < 1294171614 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, base 14 is best. < 1294171622 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like base 10 except more seveny. < 1294171654 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seven is the most severe prime < 1294171709 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seven is underappreciated. < 1294171747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1294171749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ages < 1294171751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294171825 0 :A_time_warp_to_2!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294171831 0 :A_time_warp_to_2!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamn it. < 1294171842 0 :A_time_warp_to_2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Atimewarpto2020 < 1294171848 0 :Atimewarpto2020!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1294171890 0 :Atimewarpto2020!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1294171920 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Atimewarpto2020!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com :elliott!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com Look < 1294171929 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: SSHHH < 1294171943 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A phantom ho! < 1294171947 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW STRANGE < 1294171951 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same as :Phantom_Hoover_!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com < 1294171981 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, actually, that 1 is an l. < 1294172025 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover_: I do not know what you are refering to. < 1294172074 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, how fortunate! I have no idea what you're talking about. < 1294172079 0 :Phantom_Hoover_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1294172084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1294172084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294172143 0 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294172198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetings, Phantom__Hoover obviously totally unrelated to Phantom_Hoover < 1294172220 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NickServ refuses to let me group this nick. < 1294172227 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno why. < 1294172296 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1294172299 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think your game is too hard for me but I will play more tommorow < 1294172333 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Yes it is difficult and you might not understand well without some experience with MegaZeux. < 1294172458 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try the CGA Collection if you want to try some small games (not full length games), such as Star Stacker and so on. < 1294172517 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ma; < 1294172519 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1294172590 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did make some games with Game Maker but I should rewrite them in C instead or something like that. Or possibly write a converter into a similar but free format. Such as: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/GAMES/meskilb.png http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/GAMES/xnazzyball.png http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/GAMES/DiskCatch2.png < 1294172640 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is the CGA Collection files in case you are interested in the DOS files: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/GAMES/cgacoll.zip < 1294172693 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the first one looks especially good < 1294172706 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you ahve the energy to write all these programs < 1294172720 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem with programming is I give up quite early on < 1294172723 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: You mean of the screenshots? < 1294172732 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyes < 1294172769 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The icons are public domain, I just made a game of it. Also, it is possible to have multiple pieces in one place, so it cannot be done with ASCII mode.) < 1294172781 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if these are EXE files I don't think I can run them on ubuntu < 1294172785 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Try running it in Wine if you want to, but I'm not sure it will work. < 1294172794 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind I will try them on a DOS emulator < 1294172816 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try the CGA Collection games in a DOS emulator. (The screenshots are for Windows games) < 1294172838 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make any new levels for any of the CGA Collection games, please post your levels! < 1294172975 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION goes and tries those CGA collection games first in DOSBox and then in rerecording x86 emulator...
< 1294173015 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1294173031 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99: Hay you! Stop cheating, please! < 1294173040 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cheating allowed!! < 1294173166 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this game FATHER.EXE made me laugh < 1294173244 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Yes. It isn't really a very good game though, the others are better. But at least it can make you laugh. So, I did include it anyways. < 1294173317 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Can you guess what you are supposed to do in the games which I posted screenshots, without playing these games? < 1294173354 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: You may look at CGACOLL.DOC (a plain text file) for more information about some of the games in the CGA Collection. < 1294173453 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I couldn't guess < 1294173537 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: In the first screenshot, your piece is a spider you have to pick up one of each suit. And don't get killed by a rock! < 1294173549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jetpower.co.uk/c5home.htm < 1294173559 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JET-POWERED SINCLAIR C5 < 1294173563 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT ONE < 1294173570 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the second screenshot, your piece is the white ball. You can move the white ball to make rectangle with each corner on the same color, to make hole and catch the colored balls. If colored balls collide with white ball then you lose a life. < 1294173603 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the third screenshot, you have to move the cursor to catch the disks and avoid touching skulls. The pieces all move by themself in various direction and speeds. < 1294174090 0 :Hilbert!~Hilbert@93.95.81.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294174161 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what top speed? < 1294174174 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, no idea. < 1294174179 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294174182 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jet engine mph < 1294174294 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Have you added any levels to the existing games in CGA Collection? < 1294174340 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1294174369 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1294174399 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Did you know, the MUTCHNAM game has ten billion built-in levels (yes, really, it does). < 1294174415 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1294174450 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've just encountered zombie spawner < 1294174454 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do? < 1294174456 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried any of the games other than FATHER, yet? < 1294174475 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: some of them < 1294174483 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of htem I could not figure out how to play < 1294174506 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Which ones? Any opinion? Read CGACOLL.DOC for some instructions about the game. You can also ask me specific questions. < 1294174784 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please note that STARWARS is a 2-players game. You need someone else on the same computer in order to play. (The others are all 1-players) < 1294174998 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294175141 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294175578 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1294176456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, write an AI! < 1294176466 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which uses quantum free will! < 1294176562 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TTxgrLUb7c Watching this was the greatest six seconds of my life. < 1294176627 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that statement made me suspicious. What is it? < 1294176642 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The greatest six seconds of YOUR life, if you watch it. < 1294176753 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION watches ut
< 1294176756 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1294176774 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: Greatest six seconds of my life. < 1294176778 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ^ < 1294176787 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT SMUXI < 1294176825 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could invest in implanting a nifty feature that xchat has? < 1294176834 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sort by last person talking" or something < 1294176871 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I cannot write an AI that uses quantum free will, although I might be able to simulate it in a turing machine connected to a pure random number generator. However, turing machine is not even possible to be constructed in any real computer, only approximations can. (Also, I am not good enough at it to write such a program anyways) < 1294176892 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I was, in fact, mocking you. < 1294176929 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreaseMonkey: AKA "law of least surprise". < 1294176973 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of AI... do you know of an accurate way to filter that one particular troll's text in the Homestuck MSPA? < 1294176994 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you know the story... i'm talking about the one which has 8s all through her text and stuff < 1294177237 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well. < 1294177268 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be harder to work out exactly which tab-completion is first with last-spoke, but you tend to get the one you want. < 1294177334 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Last-spoke is generally going to be what you want, and it will usually have *unsurprising* behavior. < 1294177353 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1294177359 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. < 1294177388 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas alphabetical sorting is often *very* surprising. < 1294177873 0 :Hilbert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Hilbert < 1294177993 0 :Hilbert!~Hilbert@93.95.81.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294178108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TTxgrLUb7c Watching this was the greatest six seconds of my life. <-- I don't get it. Why what? < 1294178132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal does not know the joke. < 1294178150 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh wait is it "why did the chicken cross the road"... < 1294178154 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1294178164 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, reason I didn't get it chicken != rooster < 1294178190 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does Vorpal know about chickens. < 1294178240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it is in English isn't it? < 1294178241 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1294178251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, false friend across languages < 1294178256 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Female chickens are hens, male chickens are roosters, both are chickens. < 1294178269 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise we'd have no species name :P < 1294178302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, in Swedish kyckling (which sounds pretty close to chicken) means a chicken in the state when it has not yet grown up. When it is small and yellow and fluffy and so on < 1294178316 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a chick :P < 1294178324 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, in Swedish we use the name "höna" (close to "hen") for the species < 1294178345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ALMOST as if our languages aren't very closely related. < 1294178376 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, more like they are but someone used a cross linked cable. < 1294178381 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1294178419 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here in Finland it's "kana" for the species in general or the female animals (so chicken/hen), and "kukko" for a rooster/cock. < 1294178433 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes, but Finnish doesn't count. < 1294178434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and for young birds? < 1294178443 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not being Indo-European and all that. < 1294178566 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, "tipu", but that could be some non-chick little bird too. (It's also one verb form of "tippua", to drop. Which I guess is a slightly colloquial variant of "pudota", also to drop.) < 1294178595 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cf. pääsiäistipu, http://www.nutriciababy.fi/puuhanurkka/fi_FI/paasiainen/_files/78306002090656095/default/tipu.jpg < 1294178596 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also a somewhat dated word for "chick" as in "girl". < 1294178620 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too, though I don't think I've ever called a person that. < 1294178650 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's quite dated. I don't think I've ever even heard it said. :-P < 1294178674 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in some olden-times Finnish movie. < 1294178702 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, is the easter chick thing an international thing? Mostly I hear about the rabbit everywhere. < 1294178747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh can't say I recall any easter chick < 1294178749 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try google? < 1294178755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the bunny just gets better press. < 1294178764 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Page 1 of about 126,000 results (0.07 seconds). < 1294178765 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does make more sense than bunny when you think about it though < 1294178775 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hear much about easter chicks here in Finland either. :-P < 1294178779 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually when I think of easter chicks, I think of godawfully bad pseudomarshmallows. < 1294178786 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Over two million results for the bunny. < 1294178802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an easter rabbit in Sweden < 1294178811 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh, we used to have those in 'rairuoho'. < 1294178828 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we ever did. < 1294178837 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have the egg-rabbit too, but the chick is also easter-related. < 1294178860 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, rabbit might be wrong word < 1294178864 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION blames google translate
< 1294178888 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rabbit is the right word in every context except this :P < 1294178888 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hare vs. kanin in Swedish. I'm not sure what hare translates to < 1294178896 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is larger < 1294178911 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you have an Easter HARE? < 1294178928 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have an Easter "bunny" (which is a six-year-old's word for "rabbit") < 1294178930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryegrass doesn't list our "traditional Easter decoration" use at all. :/ < 1294178932 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes the word is hare in english too < 1294178934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1294178958 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, yes we have an Easter hare. Could beat your bunny to pulp I bet ;) < 1294178969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wait, that sounded so awfully wrong) < 1294178974 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours is a bunny ("pääsiäispupu") too. < 1294179015 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many games are played with a scoring side and a non-scoring side (or more than one of one or of both)? < 1294179026 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also compare pronouncing påskhare and påskkanin. The latter just becomes silly. You need to make a pause in the middle kind of thing < 1294179043 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :påskeharen in norwegian too. although i had the impression it's really an american import... < 1294179052 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Nearly every game in the family of badminton, volleyball, tennis, or other "net" games are played like that. < 1294179052 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes I think it is < 1294179127 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fikipedia says in Switzerland they have an easter-egg-cuckoo, and in some parts of Germany a goose, a stork or a fox. < 1294179137 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had witches at Easter traditionally < 1294179141 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Fiki? < 1294179148 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fi.wikipedia. < 1294179151 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294179153 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shortcutted a bit. < 1294179170 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Had the Finnish bunny article open.) < 1294179201 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION once-again trolls the channel with http://codu.org/wiki/N-in-a-row%20game
< 1294179202 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: um i thought both sides could score in most of those games :/ < 1294179217 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, but in any given volley there's a scoring side and a non-scoring side. < 1294179246 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do any cards games do? < 1294179300 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any card game where players take turns you could consider each turn having one scoring and the rest non-scoring sides. < 1294179325 0 :Hilbert_!~Hilbert@93.95.81.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294179343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hilbert! < 1294179348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arisen from the grave! < 1294179384 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes it can, but is there more explicit cases where you do that in many turns? (And anyways even in card game where players take turns, it is not necessary only the player taking turns who is scoring) < 1294179396 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, make f into whether or not the Bifro-equivalent Brainfuck program halts. < 1294179417 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Har-durp-har. < 1294179431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's not very good. < 1294179445 0 :Hilbert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1294179446 0 :Hilbert_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Hilbert < 1294179449 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you have either 0 or 1 turns. < 1294179469 0 :azaq231!~derivecto@p4FF692D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294179517 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the best possible function is monotonically decreasing. < 1294179541 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't recall examples offhand, but there's such a huge variety of board games, I'm sure some of them have scoring mechanisms like that. < 1294179542 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what if you can't decide if it halts or not? < 1294179570 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it could mean waiting forever, no? < 1294179572 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of one card game where only one side is scoring side for a long time before you switch. < 1294179577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :while test running it < 1294179586 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, that's the *point*. < 1294179592 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dominion's (a card game) single-player turns can sometimes take a while (they have three phases), but perhaps not quite "a long time". < 1294179602 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sounds like a bad point < 1294179609 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1294179611 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Not what I meant. < 1294179619 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But good point, though. < 1294179634 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1294179668 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to recent report (less than 48 hours old), APINIC has 44 509 184 addresses in its pool... About 11M addresses to go until it should allocate :-) < 1294179731 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in Arkham Horror either all players go insane or win the game, so there's not exactly a scoring side (or a particular winner) at all. < 1294179736 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Which we can expect to be how long? < 1294179929 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottt is not here < 1294179930 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dangi < 1294179936 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I recently played one game which needed one person to handle "running" the game, and that was done so that each person took a turn being that one, and before starting his/her turn selected one of the other players; at the end of his/her turn (when it came time for the scoring for that round) he/she got the same amount of points as the player he/she selected got. < 1294179942 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, how did I sleep from 7AM to 5PM < 1294179995 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: a mere 10 hours! < 1294180036 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn reddit is not loading again < 1294180039 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@p4FF69127.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294180044 0 :Sgeo__!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo < 1294180140 0 :azaq231!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294180168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, so why have you got such interest in IPv4 exhaustion? < 1294180198 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because ipv4 killed his parents < 1294180227 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the card game Armchair Cricket, the scoring side remains scoring side until they either declare or lose ten wickets, whichever comes first. The other side cannot score even when it is their turn to play a card. There are different variants as to what happens when the deck is exhausted. < 1294180438 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For APNIC, at the same time, APNIC had 4463681625587712 IPv6 /64s in its pool... < 1294180528 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just generic "pass the popcorn". :-) < 1294180540 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that I actually eat popcorn...) :-) < 1294180608 0 :Hilbert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Hilbert < 1294180611 0 :azaq231!~derivecto@p4FF69269.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294180666 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : According to recent report (less than 48 hours old), APINIC has 44 509 184 addresses in its pool... About 11M addresses to go until it should allocate :-) <-- what is the current estimate on date for ipv4 running out? < 1294180670 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :globally I mean < 1294180716 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1294180903 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1294181120 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell me whether I wrote the exception similar to font exception correctly? < 1294181402 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, completely coincidentally, but since it involves your country... we'll be visiting Stockholm next Saturday. < 1294181412 0 :Hilbert!~Hilbert@93.95.81.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294181437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: AVOID VORPAL AT ALL COSTS < 1294181445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hilbert: got a hotel room free? < 1294181472 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm assuming you want to be keeping track as to what sort of riffraff enters/exits your country.) < 1294181502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:12:23 A phantom ho! < 1294181503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294181504 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wouldn't recognize a Vorpal if one bit me, anyway. < 1294181518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They're really stupid and hate TNT. < 1294181526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't miss 'em. < 1294181552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, easy to recognise fizzies from what I heard though. < 1294181579 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I've heard all kinds of rumours too. < 1294181585 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not that I'm anywhere near Stockholm though < 1294181664 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think our plan involved a visit at det där kungliga slottet of yours; having no royalty or royalty-related stuff of our own, us Finns have to "appropriate" from neighbours. < 1294181688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:54:10 i've just encountered zombie spawner < 1294181689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:54:14 what do? < 1294181692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: destroy it if you wish, loot the chest < 1294181695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you found a dungeon < 1294181709 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, reddit, try to appease me by changing to a funnier heavy load picture < 1294181727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:29:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TTxgrLUb7c Watching this was the greatest six seconds of my life. < 1294181730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was sceptical < 1294181732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yup Gregor < 1294181734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're riht < 1294181735 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, eh? < 1294181735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best six seconds < 1294181736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*right < 1294181774 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what was the old on and what is the new one? < 1294181775 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: reddit isn't loading. but the "sorry we're under heavy load" picture just changed to a new one. < 1294181805 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made by newly reddit famous Sure_Ill_Draw_That, apparently < 1294181826 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it loads for me < 1294181829 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, so I can't check < 1294181835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: try DDoSing < 1294181839 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, .... < 1294181856 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...still not loading < 1294181871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now i see it < 1294181880 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it < 1294181895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i conclude that sure_ill_draw_that has a crushing fetish < 1294181903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the only explain < 1294181903 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you prevent the mouse from leaving the MC window? < 1294181911 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he's done it before? < 1294181915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: um it does that automatically < 1294181916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nope < 1294181918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sample size of 1 < 1294181924 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not for me < 1294181927 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1294181931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then you fail. try linux < 1294181957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, did you just place a sign? < 1294181959 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could it have something to do with the old version? < 1294181971 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I don't have a legal copy yet, so no, I'm not online < 1294181974 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no < 1294181976 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1294181984 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has legal copy to do with signs? < 1294181993 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you mentioned to me happens sometimes when I just placed a sign, a click in the window solves it. < 1294181993 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought you were asking if some sign you saw on your server was mine < 1294182009 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1294182032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psht like Sgeo will get into our server :D < 1294182037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is now closed to everyone who isn't a finn < 1294182041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned finn privilege < 1294182048 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it? < 1294182051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294182057 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you still on it? < 1294182058 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, do you think I'm going to bomb everything? < 1294182065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, just no extra people can come on < 1294182081 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opening/closing the inventory helps in mouse-capturing for me sometimes when it loses it. < 1294182113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, when I last saved, I had no coal, and ran out of fuel for my emergency lighting furnace < 1294182115 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the old picture was the reddit alien carrying a stone block by the pyramids < 1294182123 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ah < 1294182126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I heard footsteps that weren < 1294182129 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't mne < 1294182130 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine < 1294182157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: furnaces don't light < 1294182160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lol < 1294182160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1294182164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough to stop monsters i don't think < 1294182182 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, so my idea for ecological housing is unsound? < 1294182182 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1294182217 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logs set on fire burn indefinitely if surrounded by the proper sort of blocks. < 1294182234 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gives a reasonable amount of light, I think. < 1294182247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Furnaces are very useful for providing light if you have wood but no coal to make torches with." < 1294182248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1294182252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still seems silly though. < 1294182262 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proper sort of blocks? < 1294182278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: furnaces don't light < 1294182281 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, yes they do. < 1294182301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes yes so they do. < 1294182302 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Active furnace seems to emit one level less light than a torch. < 1294182311 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a waste though. < 1294182341 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cursor is not staying in the window at all < 1294182351 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Surround a log by (say) cobblestone, set it on fire; a permanent fireplace out of renewable materials. < 1294182367 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, awesome < 1294182380 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, where do you get the fire from? < 1294182400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Flint and steel... < 1294182402 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or LAVA) < 1294182405 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, well, flint and steel usually. But you only need that one. < 1294182410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Lava is not renewable.) < 1294182424 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can go and put the lava back, though. < 1294182433 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the bucket needs iron. < 1294182442 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lofr: < 1294182443 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.exploringbinary.com/php-hangs-on-numeric-value-2-2250738585072011e-308/ < 1294182452 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and better yet.. after you read the whole thing, read comment 5. < 1294182481 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly you could just build your place around a natural lava lake/fall you don't touch. < 1294182483 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a cost to the environment of 3 iron ore that ends up giving so much back.... < 1294182506 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gives cobblestone, and fire, and < 1294182519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I did not even think of that < 1294182582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could just nuke everything. < 1294182821 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mc has nukes? :D < 1294182829 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: TNT is close enough < 1294182832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can even fire it < 1294182834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with other TNT) < 1294182843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flies quite far too < 1294182860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should start playing! then you'll do absolutely _nothing_ else in a day < 1294182919 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MC needs spaceships < 1294182926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt my hands will cooperate with that for very long < 1294182927 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And airplanes < 1294182931 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's a mod < 1294182936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I''d like something better than a mod < 1294182994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Better than a mod? < 1294183030 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not crappily done like in MoveCraft, and native to MC < 1294183049 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294183125 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294183148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How's MoveCraft crappy, and how does nativeness matter < 1294183405 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, MoveCraft sucks because it can't move the ROU efficiently! < 1294183409 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1294183418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that. < 1294183439 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also because it empties chests when you use it and it can't even move a TNT cannon without being weird. < 1294183584 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how am I meant to man the HHI war machine *now*? < 1294183615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: As a faithful HHI employee ... I am sort of relieved that you failed. < 1294183646 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's sedition! < 1294183654 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would I have possibly done? < 1294183676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Blown up everything? < 1294183706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what things do you have that I would have blown up? < 1294183772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I LIKE TO LIVE IN A WORLD WITHOUT TOO MUCH CARNAGE < 1294183772 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's this about PHP having its own analogue to the Top Secret SMP Bug? < 1294183775 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g228060221.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294183782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A PREFER A MODERATE AMOUNT OF CARNAGE AT MOST < 1294183802 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about no carnage? < 1294183818 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Top Secret SMP Bug? < 1294183827 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CARNAGE < 1294183837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CARNAGE FOR THE CARNAGE GOD < 1294183843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it's Top Secret because of the carnage that would ensue if it was made publi. < 1294183846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*public < 1294183858 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, good idea against PHP < 1294183873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Carnage is great. < 1294183884 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but only in small amounts? < 1294183886 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it's possible to crash *any* SMP server if you can see the sky in it. < 1294183899 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cs-people.bu.edu/stevec/cs101/01summer/forms_calc.html < 1294183899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, don't reveal too much < 1294183919 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to see if I can crash this but I don't have the evil. < 1294183973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "have the evil", does that mean "I don't know how" or "I'm not evil enough"? < 1294183977 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, it doesn't work. < 1294184010 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm assuming that that bug will be fixed soonn? < 1294184018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, not a chance. < 1294184019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you mean it doesn't crash or that it does? < 1294184025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, lolwat? < 1294184025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: re don't reveal too much: fizzie has explained it all in channel before < 1294184030 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it doesn't work as a calculator. < 1294184032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There is no way we are telling Notch. < 1294184037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1294184040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: One, it is useful when used maturely on our server. < 1294184040 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, we're keeping it secret. < 1294184040 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: anyway it supposedly only crashes on 32-bit machines < 1294184047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Two, Notch is impossibly bad at coding. < 1294184066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's incredibly unlikely he wouldn't do something very stupid when fixing a bug that basically undermines the entire server architecture. < 1294184073 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ah. < 1294184089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone else figures it out we'll tell Notch all we know but before then it's probably a very bad idea. < 1294184091 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an appeal in making it public and watching the world burn, but we could be completely screwed by Notch afterwards. < 1294184102 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, see /msg < 1294184140 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1294184231 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen comments that suggest it might get accidentally fixed at some point anyway. < 1294184265 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In his stale TODO list or somewhere.) < 1294184278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nooooooooooooo < 1294184296 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In revenge for wrecking our teleporter, I suggest we murder him. < 1294184300 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's quite many entried that say "before beta" that are completely not done on that list. :p < 1294184386 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thwart hacking!" < 1294184395 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vague... < 1294184401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could just write a teleportamating plugin. < 1294184405 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So which one should we worry about? < 1294184406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be less laggy too. :p < 1294184453 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.toodledo.com/views/public.php?id=td4b49fbf9c05a0 < 1294184455 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do have a server-side teleporter already, if someone'd just motivate ineiros to write down the allowed destinations. < 1294184472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't see anything that fits. < 1294184504 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Click on those funny icons that give you more detailed descriptions. < 1294184523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intuitive page-with-red-block ones. < 1294184537 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1294184552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I mean an arbitrary-coord teleporter. < 1294184561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also it's not writing, you actually have to go there and say /addkit or something. < 1294184580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, vulnerable to the same bug, surely? < 1294184606 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you can just edit the flat text file too. < 1294184622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the command way is I guess the official way. < 1294184648 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: has that sshc guy said anything since? < 1294184650 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to guesstimate Y values and orientation and so on. < 1294184652 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : We could just write a teleportamating plugin. <-- likely a heck of a lot more reliable too! < 1294184675 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294184692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't see why. < 1294184697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't _have_ to send all the chunks in-between down. < 1294184698 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: Also it's not writing, you actually have to go there and say /addkit or something. <-- no, it is editing a file < 1294184700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nether travel doesn't for instance. < 1294184703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you return from Nether. < 1294184710 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hmm. < 1294184710 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just generates the one chunk and gives it to you, locally. < 1294184712 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is what I did for my local test server < 1294184722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all it has to do is x=foo; y=foo; if (!chunkexists()) genchunk(); sendchunk(); < 1294184725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*z=foo; < 1294184736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the bug comes from the fact that it's trying to squeeze all of the intermediate chunks down your connection? < 1294184762 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or for having to process them that rapidly even < 1294184767 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1294184789 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should try it with some *really* huge coördinates at some point. < 1294184804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mrf, how can I show the dynamically linked libraries on OS X... < 1294184840 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a local server, obviously/ < 1294184849 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Aww, I thought you meant on the server. < 1294184915 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a difference between Minecraft and Active Worlds: People built stuff in AW's heyday, almost 10 years ago or more. Almost all of it still stands, to that day. The stuff you build in Minecraft... won't. < 1294184916 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, given that we found Cthulhu at a distance which was practically *reachable*. < 1294184931 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what the hell? < 1294184945 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's destroying it? Server shutdown due to boredom? < 1294184951 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes < 1294184962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Guess what, AW's servers will go down one day too. < 1294184964 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's going to keep running private servers 10 years from now? < 1294184975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: And I bet there were quite a few data losses in the early days of AW. < 1294184996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can make shutup somehow convey the messages more annoyingly. < 1294185027 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is shutup still working? < 1294185047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1294185060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1294185100 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Cthulhu? < 1294185121 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, IN JOKE < 1294185124 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO AWAY LOSER < 1294185159 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, from the Lovecraft mythos < 1294185169 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I know that < 1294185182 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They said they found Cthulhu in MC? I guess that's related to the bug? < 1294185196 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, in joke! < 1294185319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did Sgeo see Cthulhu < 1294185330 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I mean, given that we found Cthulhu at a distance which was practically *reachable*. < 1294185331 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he didn't? < 1294185355 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you meant the mention < 1294185360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah Phantom_Hoover said it < 1294185371 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cthulhu is everywhere you want to see < 1294185373 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, 100km is not impossibly far in MC terms. < 1294185390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sssh! < 1294185393 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can easily make 10km in less than an hour. < 1294185405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -target-cc-opt darwin \ < 1294185405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : '-I/usr/local/include < 1294185405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -I/opt/local/include < 1294185406 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, depends on terrain < 1294185407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -I/sw/include' \ < 1294185409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1294185411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: fix that < 1294185434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, build system of something? of what? < 1294185440 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, over 10km terrain evens out. < 1294185447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: from the mlton binary build < 1294185487 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, anyway it was more than 100 km. Both in distance and in manhattan distance < 1294185523 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'm basing this on time to (4000,4000) anyway. < 1294185533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, right < 1294185554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries out how new mlton
< 1294185557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without that fix, but < 1294185561 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be a patch in a minute < 1294185566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I guess if you just run. Sure. But you end up going around mountains and so on < 1294185584 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is if you aren't out searching at the time < 1294185592 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I were)