< 1294963202 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1294963205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE I SAID SO < 1294963216 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I'm from england originally :P < 1294963223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, sure < 1294963225 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what f! A< (Eq A< x<) x< (\_ p -> p) does < 1294963228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :giving them the secrets of our bad teeth < 1294963229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bastard < 1294963231 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :born in london! < 1294963235 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at the type of f! doesn't really help < 1294963339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: have you seen the light yet < 1294963356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's silent because he's regretful < 1294963357 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's still winter here < 1294963368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: have you seen the scapeglight < 1294963388 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a word I know, so it's hard for me to determine that < 1294963389 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're a bad englishman by american standards, anyway < 1294963395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: o rly? < 1294963399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the light of scapegoat < 1294963411 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I bet he eats crumpets and drinks tea, isn't that enough? < 1294963425 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're not supposed to be enthusiastic and noisy. You're supposed to be posh and nonchalant < 1294963430 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I eat crumpets and drink tea < 1294963437 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like marmite and potato waffles < 1294963440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: i totally am, when i don't talk about scapegoat < 1294963445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, incidentally, the best thing? < 1294963453 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is scapegoat < 1294963456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm aiming to be as annoying as possible until everyone agrees that talking about scapegoat would be preferable < 1294963458 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a rhetorical quesiton, I don't want to know) < 1294963461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: THE BEST VERSION CONTROL SYSTEM EVER < 1294963467 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOO < 1294963470 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I already did < 1294963483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yeah but i'm trying to get as many people involved as possible first so we can have a big scapegoat party < 1294963489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: HEY YOU < 1294963490 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah you are losing me though < 1294963493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: ask me about scapegoat < 1294963494 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: also you < 1294963503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i'm on the verge of giving up and just telling you < 1294963568 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ok fine i will < 1294963571 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott < 1294963572 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1294963575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: do you know how git and darcs work < 1294963575 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats scapegoat < 1294963580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: THE BEST VERSION CONTROL SYSTEM EVER < 1294963584 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now if you'd just been talking about scapegoat instead of talking about talking about scapegoat... < 1294963590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invented by ais, refined (BRILLIANTLY) by me!!!!124823954365706432-2== < 1294963596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm saying is i'm a genius? anyway ask me about it < 1294963607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to monologue like oklopol < 1294963622 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how does scapegoat store its data? < 1294963623 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds boring < 1294963624 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1294963661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: [a] < 1294964705 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Ix range :: Ix a => (a, a) -> [a] < 1294964705 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Random randomRs :: (Random a, RandomGen g) => (a, a) -> g -> [a] < 1294964705 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude snd :: (a, b) -> b < 1294964714 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs
< 1294964722 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t concatMap (\(a,b) -> [a,b]) < 1294964724 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. [(t, t)] -> [t] < 1294964730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\(a,b)->[a,b]) < 1294964731 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncurry ((. return) . (:)) < 1294964731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ? < 1294964737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCEA's lawyers have apparently shown up in #ps3dev on EFnet. < 1294964738 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad's yelling at me to buy shoes < 1294964741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t zip < 1294964742 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. [a] -> [b] -> [(a, b)] < 1294964746 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The day before I go to the mall with someone < 1294964749 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION mindboggles
< 1294964753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\xs ys -> concatMap (\(a,b) -> [a,b]) (zip xs ys)) < 1294964754 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((uncurry ((. return) . (:)) =<<) .) . zip < 1294964756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1294964761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not saying anything. Just a guy with the right host mask. < 1294964764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1294964765 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (++) :: [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1294964765 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List (++) :: [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1294964765 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List deleteFirstsBy :: (a -> a -> Bool) -> [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1294964766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :D < 1294964766 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: tell him not to yell or just ignore him < 1294964778 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, oh, oops. He's not literally yelling. < 1294964789 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://pastie.org/1458314 Here's logs. < 1294964814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [-1,-2..] < 1294964815 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-1,-2,-3,-4,-5,-6,-7,-8,-9,-10,-11,-12,-13,-14,-15,-16,-17,-18,-19,-20,-21... < 1294964822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [-1..] < 1294964823 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-1,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,... < 1294964857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : kdutine: hi! < 1294964859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH MAN IT'S RMS < 1294964868 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost certainly not *the* RMS. < 1294964891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OF COURSE IT IS < 1294964904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: quick, gimme some haskell to enumerate all strings < 1294964906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1294964908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can just enumerate chars < 1294964910 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I already did < 1294964910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then [a] < 1294964912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you did? < 1294965077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Elems a) => Elems [a] where < 1294965077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elems = concatMap ofLength [0..] < 1294965077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : where ofLength 0 = [] < 1294965077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ofLength n = < 1294965077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : concatMap (\xs -> concatMap (\x -> xs++[x]) elems) (ofLength (n-1)) < 1294965080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: was it less ugly than that? < 1294965093 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :P < 1294965097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: show :P < 1294965103 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told you yesterday < 1294965110 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HINT: concatMap is (>>=) < 1294965112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did? o_O < 1294965117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1294965123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to find t :D
< 1294965124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1294965130 0 :Tritonio!~TrT@150.140.227.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294965137 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it might not have been yesterday < 1294965142 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was in the past < 1294965144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm grepping >>= on the logs actually gives nothing, how strange < 1294965161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not before the 8th unless i'm missing something, wasn't it in haskell? < 1294965175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*#haskell < 1294965197 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip replicateM "fobar" =<< [1..] < 1294965200 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> flip replicateM "fobar" =<< [1..] < 1294965202 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["f","o","b","a","r","ff","fo","fb","fa","fr","of","oo","ob","oa","or","bf"... < 1294965257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thanks :) < 1294965298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Elems a where elems :: [a] < 1294965298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Elems Bool where elems = [False, True] < 1294965298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Elems Integer where elems = interleave [0..] [-1,-2..] < 1294965298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Bounded a) => Elems a where elems = [minBound..maxBound] < 1294965298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Elems a) => Elems [a] where elems = flip replicateM elems =<< [0..] < 1294965323 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe this is like exaustive quickcheck < 1294965327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1294965334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: guess how this helps me implement toList < 1294965343 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1294965349 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're actually going to /USE/ this stuff < 1294965349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t maybe < 1294965351 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a. b -> (a -> b) -> Maybe a -> b < 1294965356 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: no, this is in a toy :D < 1294965363 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in a toy... < 1294965390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toList :: (Elems k) => PM k v -> [(k,v)] < 1294965391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :toList m = concatMap (\k -> maybe [] (k,) (m k)) elems < 1294965392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: BEHOLD < 1294965403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes indeed < 1294965405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :type PM k v = k -> Maybe v < 1294965412 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you got multitouch to work? < 1294965415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1294965418 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hao? < 1294965422 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1294965422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :installing things < 1294965423 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want too < 1294965428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: best ever? < 1294965429 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which thingsssss < 1294965431 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives an open list? < 1294965432 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :URL < 1294965437 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like [1,2,3,4, < 1294965447 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION [explosion] elliott
< 1294965448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir3-2/Meerkat < 1294965449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yep < 1294965454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but it's GOOD ENOUGH :D < 1294965456 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful X) < 1294965456 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1294965463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: well hey, got a better idea? < 1294965468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I could just keep the [(k,v)] along with it < 1294965472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the function would just be an optimistaion < 1294965474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*optimisation < 1294965476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I HATE optimisations! < 1294965493 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's hnot possible unless you do something ugly like carry around an upper bound < 1294965499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ew < 1294965512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: inserting would be hilariously slow :D < 1294965512 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's how polynomials are doen :( < 1294965514 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate it < 1294965518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i had a fast goedelNumber thing < 1294965524 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: huh < 1294965546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :undecidable instances FUCK YEAHHHHHHH < 1294965571 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228062216.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1294965620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but hey < 1294965631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> toList Main.empty :: [(Bool,Integer)] < 1294965631 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[] < 1294965633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use finite keys :D < 1294965644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION does "toList Main.empty :: [(Int,Integer)]"
< 1294965646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should terminate eventually < 1294965682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1294965689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> toList (insert 3 42 Main.empty) :: [(Int,Integer)] < 1294965689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : C-c C-cInterrupted. < 1294965695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: is concatMap not lazy or something? < 1294965702 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1294965703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1294965711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: "elems :: [Int]" --> all negatives first < 1294965756 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: teach me haskell :D < 1294965759 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294965759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1294965762 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pls < 1294965764 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294965780 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to have ais teach me all of haskell then.. < 1294965800 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll be preoccupied and won't be able to write any more papers that you can illegally download.. < 1294965821 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION terrorizes elliott a little bit
< 1294965832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: i don't think ais will. < 1294965842 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure he's friendly enough < 1294965855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: can i see how you did the upper bound thing? < 1294965890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: hey i just realised, you can look up any element certain types of infinite maps in finite time with my impl :D < 1294965891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. < 1294965894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\k -> Just k) < 1294965897 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the mapping i -> i < 1294965950 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I never actually wrote it but it would be type PM k v = (k,k -> Maybe v) -- with the condition that for k' > k, f k' = Nothing < 1294965971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: hmm does String have Ord? wait of course < 1294965982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you still have to enumerate every string below that one though :-P < 1294965983 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: everything has Ord! < 1294965996 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < b if a is enumerated first < 1294965999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: the idea is that with a perfect lazy specialiser, this should be a very fast implementation < 1294966010 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will never be efficient :P < 1294966015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: because (f key) for common key will automatically get specialised < 1294966022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will involve the impl inserting key into a hash table for f < 1294966031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapping it to a constant value < 1294966035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it turns into a hash table lookup < 1294966120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but enumerating is a problem :/ < 1294966158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://polymathematics.typepad.com/polymath/2006/06/no_im_sorry_it_.html?cid=18295323#comment-6a00d8341bfda053ef00d83492d19d53ef troll :D < 1294966171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf that link doesn't work < 1294966177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1294966223 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why people discuss that 0.999.. thing so much < 1294966229 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do people care at all? It's so lame < 1294966234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Through proofs, yes, you have "proven" that .9 repeating equals 1 and also through certain definitions. < 1294966235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in the realm of logic and another definition you are wrong. .9 repeating is not an integer by the definition of an integer, and 1 most certainly is an integer. Mathematically, algebraicly...whatever, they have the same value, but that doesn't mean they are the same number. < 1294966235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting more out of "hard" mathematics and more into the paradoxical realm. Have you ever heard of Zeno's paradoxes? I think that's the most relevant counter-argument to this topic. Your "infinity" argument works against you in this respect. While you can never come up with a value that you can represent mathematically on paper to add to .999... to equal one or to come up with an average of the two < 1294966236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :, that doesn't mean that it doesn't conceptually exist. "Infinity" is just as intangible as whatever that missing value is. < 1294966238 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every time it comes up people discuss it for hours < 1294966258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discuss < 1294966265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like idiots are idiots and other people yell at them < 1294966404 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, jsmath is lagging my browser < 1294966614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: so how goes the dependent cas :P < 1294966624 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not making one < 1294966682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but i thought that's what you were doing :( < 1294966763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: or did you give up? < 1294966850 0 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294966893 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1294966915 0 :myndzi!~myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294967087 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1294967152 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1294967220 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-24-19-39-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294967786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41047777 < 1294967788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1294967790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1294967794 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a random link from reddit < 1294967795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid clipboard < 1294967798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://xkcdinosaur.blogspot.com/ < 1294967802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have been one-upped. < 1294967899 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1294967943 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1294968170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :D < 1294968246 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear EVERY FUCKING FLASH VIDEO PLAYER EVER: stop requiring buffers of INCREASINGLY LARGE SIZE. < 1294968364 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact: every buffering scheme for video from the Internet ever: YOU SUCK. < 1294968401 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffer enough that, if the current average download speed continues, you will get to the end of the video without ever once stopping. < 1294968482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus a bit < 1294968519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, YouTube will claim an amount is buffered, and playback is before that point, yet it still stops < 1294968707 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294968710 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1294968710 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1294968817 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, every fucking flash video player ever: HAND ME A URL TO THE ACTUAL VIDEO FILE. FLASH SUCKS. < 1294968885 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1294968939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1294968941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1294969165 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Handing you a URL to the video file would be an extremely poor way to prevent you from learning the URL to the video file. < 1294969301 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why yes, yes it would. < 1294969330 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Of course, as preventing me from learning the URL to the video file is, I do believe, a "dick move", that is irrelevant. < 1294969899 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1294971189 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294971417 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294971443 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1294971498 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294971627 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1294971907 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: even if it's a flv? < 1294971937 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294971967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ... So? < 1294971975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: .flv is just a video container format. < 1294971986 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer demuxes it just fine. < 1294971991 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1294973013 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh... Reminds me of once figuring out URL for datastream for flash video and then just downloading it... < 1294973108 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a video about IPv4 depletion). < 1294973384 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1294974818 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1294976591 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" why do people care at all? It's so lame" <<< maybe it's something where people think they are allowed to have an opinion in mathematics, and people love having opinions < 1294976633 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people never seem to debate whether 0.3 recurring is 1/3 < 1294976685 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's equivalent, people always prove an equivalence proof with 0.999... vs 1 first, as a lemma < 1294976809 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because what i see as the difference between S^Z and R is really that 0.9999.... is *defined* to be 1, by taking a certain equivalence relation between elements of S^Z < 1294976838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, R has operations and shit, but that's just because after this quotienting, those start making sense < 1294976927 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, of course you can always define R that way, i guess i can't exactly put into words what exactly is funny here < 1294977331 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm somewhat confused about the functional nature of Haskell when it comes to IO. I have an entire program written in Haskell. But the moment I want to stop inputting the numbers directly in the program - and use command line arguments I need put everything in a do section and use IOStrings - right? < 1294977377 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you typically keep your "business logic" out of IO < 1294977388 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell kind of stops being functional when it comes to IO... :P < 1294977393 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but only a little bit!) < 1294977394 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1294977462 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, yes - but lets say I had some business logic "add these two numbers to together and return the result" I can't pass that function any numbers I got from input < 1294977473 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can < 1294977480 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1294977482 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Oh wow*. < 1294977498 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you have add :: Int -> Int -> Int < 1294977513 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kk < 1294977517 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. That person-from-the-SCEA-lawfirm who signed onto the #ps3dev room? < 1294977518 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do x <- readLn; y <- readLn; print (add x y) < 1294977529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*He used his real name*. < 1294977534 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: smart of him < 1294977537 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it? < 1294977544 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quit #ps3dev < 1294977550 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was depressing < 1294977559 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kdutine" was his nick; "Kip Dutine" is his name. < 1294977606 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you sure it wasn't a parody ? < 1294977608 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Shame that it's like 4 or 5 intelligent people and hundreds of complete morons going "LAWL PIRACY". < 1294977617 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: The host mask was from the actual lawfirm. < 1294977639 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I call Poe! <----- joke < 1294977665 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE HELL python library for wikipedia < 1294977672 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all "edit times" are 0 :- < 1294977693 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously... Those people who want a backup manager working on 3.55? Get off your ass and write it yourself if you care that much. If you can't be bothered, well, shaddup about it! < 1294977727 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: damn right < 1294977781 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I *would* like to see a region-free PS1 and PS2 loader one of these days... I'm not exactly pestering the people who are trying to figure out how shit works about it! < 1294977958 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as religion-free PS1 and PS2 loader < 1294977969 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't get it < 1294978025 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, ha < 1294978150 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you should join the fun! < 1294978176 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the cool kids are getting sued, so should you! < 1294979066 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294979919 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1294980177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :moerning oerjan < 1294981921 0 :comex!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294982110 0 :comex!comex@c-67-188-10-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294984748 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294984767 0 :augur!~augur@c-71-196-120-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294988690 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1294988774 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1294988847 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1294989880 0 :shaswot!~pustakala@202.63.242.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294990530 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1294991453 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, ice's expansion pressure is huge < 1294991504 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaswot: the channel knows, I do not < 1294991568 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it the channel knows? (Why does that sound like a silly riddle?) < 1294991743 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel knows all, sees all < 1294991762 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-254-37.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294991999 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1294992000 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1294992271 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: water has ridiculous expansion pressure when it freezes < 1294992298 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how much pressure is required to melt water at 251 K? < 1294992319 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2040 atm < 1294992326 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should harness this somehow < 1294992348 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 2040 atm a lot? < 1294992397 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 atm is atmospheric pressure < 1294992401 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20000 meters of water if i recall correctly? < 1294992404 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hence atmosphere) < 1294992412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that < 1294992415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't tell me anything < 1294992426 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that water thing tells me something < 1294992430 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's true < 1294992472 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm < 1294992506 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more < 1294992521 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, i recalled 10 meters of water is one atmosphere < 1294992557 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, it may be less < 1294992565 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the increasing force of gravity at depths < 1294992570 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple linear calculations won't account for that < 1294992580 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the slight compressibility of water) < 1294992592 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm 20km matters for that? < 1294992597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravity < 1294992599 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20km is roughly correct though < 1294992654 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyway i don't know any physics, was just wondering if 2040 was actually a lot in some sense < 1294992686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sure sounds like a lot < 1294992712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, actually based on the movies i've seen about space stuff, the atmosphere basically keeps us together < 1294992718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess it's not that little < 1294992725 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20km affects acceleration due to gravity by somewhere in the vicinity of 1% < 1294992745 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't much, but if you're doing the calculus, it matters < 1294992748 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which direction? < 1294992752 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :down < 1294992760 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm approximating anyways < 1294992761 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, makes sense < 1294992765 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sure < 1294992765 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is assumed from sea level) < 1294992792 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, err, actually average radius < 1294992799 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "Normal high pressure gas cylinders or bottles will hold from 200 to 400 atmosphere (unit)s." (According to the omniscipedia.) < 1294992827 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC pool: 39 212 032 < 1294992833 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1294992838 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a depressing number < 1294992863 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1294992873 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, when you're thirsty and it's -22 degrees Celsius out there, you should try something else than squeezing a block of ice to get some water to drink? < 1294992962 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How low was it supposed to go, anyway? < 1294993104 0 :shaswot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1294993111 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esimated number at next allocation (triggering X-day): 32M-37M. < 1294993142 0 :shaswot!~pustakala@202.63.242.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294993316 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seemingly someone in the US allocated a /10... < 1294993342 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-237-203.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1294993428 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that kind of allocation from APNIC could be pretty much instant X-day... < 1294993708 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So about 2M-7M left... < 1294994246 0 :Tritonio!~TrT@dias.ceid.upatras.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1294994397 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ilua < 1294994474 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1294994479 0 :shaswot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1294994514 0 :shaswot!~pustakala@202.63.242.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1294994591 0 :shaswot!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1294999941 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* quintopia steals all of vorpal's entropy <-- nasty < 1294999950 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION steals it back
< 1294999968 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CANNOT DO THAT WITHOUT APPLYING WORK < 1295000105 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, a friend gave me some for the purpose of this. < 1295000112 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1295000190 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to fetch clog logs again. Should add a daily cron entry calling the downloading script < 1295000213 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently it happens rather erratically < 1295000523 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the japanese class is sneaky, i just realized all the frequent messages from the teacher are now in japanese, and i have no idea when that happened < 1295000553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1295000589 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, then I guess that means you are getting the hang of the language < 1295000605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for a couple of translations in some messages, and complete translations in certain cases, maybe this was the first one without those) < 1295001656 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1295001913 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295001959 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181130110.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1295002490 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pon < 1295002552 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'pon my honour < 1295003504 0 :acetoline!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1295004564 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1295005882 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1295008199 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1295008446 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1295008770 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the minecraft world wrap around? < 1295008777 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilke a donus < 1295009008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that that's known < 1295009014 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly never been seen < 1295009037 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be determinable based on the source < 1295009504 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295009631 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know if I went all the way around or just in a circle < 1295009646 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so nobody knows where it tends? < 1295009654 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many RL years were you travelling for? < 1295009663 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what do you mean by "source" < 1295009710 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, MC's closed-sourceish < 1295009902 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you could change your spawn point < 1295009984 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1295009994 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On some servers you can use the /spawn command to do that; in single-player, I'm not so sure. < 1295010087 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could in creative. < 1295010099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You definitely can by editing the save file, but that's kludgy. < 1295010122 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not /spawn, /setspawn or something. < 1295010279 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Wikipedia, "the largest possible world size to date reaching the equivalent of nearly eight times the surface area of the Earth before running into technical limitations", but the citation attached refers to a pretty old blog post. < 1295010391 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Protocol-wise sometimes it sends absolute position numbers given as signed 32-bit ints that indicate 1/32ths of a block; that would allow for a 2^27 x 2^27 block square. < 1295010480 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow thats insane < 1295010488 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it would juts be quite a small world < 1295010498 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be quite a lot more than "eight times the surface area of the Earth", so perhaps there are other limitations. < 1295010539 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says Earth has a surface area of 510,072,000 km^2; a 2^27 metre square has about 35 times that. < 1295010630 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On our server the furthest place anyone's traveled has been about 140 kilometres away from the spawn, and that was enough to basically crash it, so I'm not sure how feasible an Earth-sized world is with the current architecture. < 1295010639 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will at least take a lot of disk space. < 1295010640 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1295010646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should totally break that record manually < 1295010654 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the further you walk the more world it generates? < 1295010668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but doesn't it drop the stuff you didn't change? < 1295010676 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer to j, question to f < 1295010709 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it just unloads those blocks on disk. < 1295010713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know. < 1295010725 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it ever shrinks the world. < 1295010758 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely certain about that, though. < 1295010800 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros' file listings would probably answer that; if there's an unbroken path of chunks to the furthest point, then it probably doesn't. < 1295010824 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you hack your way in and check? < 1295010834 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or break into his house < 1295010877 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could maybe just ask. < 1295010891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1295010896 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third option < 1295010907 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly didn't occur to me < 1295010999 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :next on the list was marrying him an infinite amount of times, and always getting half those files in the divorce < 1295011005 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1295011020 0 :ineiros!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1295011034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1295011052 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Constantly walking into one direction for 8 hours should (if I calculated right) give you the coveted "been furthest away" award (well, assuming you wouldn't have to go around mountains or anything). As well as create about ten thousand files (around a hundred megabytes, maybe) on his disk. < 1295011068 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1295011078 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :could it handle that? < 1295011084 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 hours isn't exactly a long walk < 1295011097 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on someone's forum-post saying walking speed is "about 5 blocks/second". < 1295011125 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, 80 hours isn't a long walk, as a project < 1295011135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc1-sgyl29-2-0-cust788.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295011135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1295011135 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295011153 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print 8*60*60*5 < 1295011154 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :144000 < 1295011162 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that'd be about 144 kilometres. < 1295011168 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. maybe it's slightly over medium, since it's not *that* much fun without far < 1295011179 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure the "5 blocks/s" is in fact accurate. < 1295011184 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird, since you can't walk that much in 8 hours < 1295011195 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 18 km/h, it sounds a bit fast for a walk. < 1295011209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right 5 blocks a second is not 5km/h < 1295011224 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot hours are stupid < 1295011231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't use them much < 1295011263 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecart max speed is 8 blocks/s, according to Minepedia, but I'm not sure how to compare. It does feel a lot faster than walking. < 1295011268 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a travel speed table somewhere. < 1295011300 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_lmMmYAyow < 1295011302 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1295011307 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.27 m/s, http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Transportation < 1295011312 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well note that i would probably not do it by running straight ahead, but strolling away, looking at the world < 1295011324 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite possibly the funniest thing Fox News has ever done. < 1295011333 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sup? < 1295011353 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, assuming 2 blocks/sec of actual progress, that'd be 20 hours. < 1295011365 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the helll LOL < 1295011398 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still laughing. < 1295011475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and that simple contact could be all that pedophile needs to fulfill his fantasies for the day" < 1295011514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, what MC things are you doing? < 1295011535 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, currently i'm just making a base, but i feel kinda nomadish after that short talk < 1295011539 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He wanted to be the guy who's been furthest away from spawn, so I was computerizing how much walking would it take to get to (100k,100k). < 1295011551 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots. < 1295011553 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a creeper blew up my pyramid :( < 1295011555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1295011560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to fizzie < 1295011578 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's not that much: 8 hours if you could proceed with maximum walking speed to one direction; 20 hours might be realistic, even. < 1295011604 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: though you might die half way < 1295011608 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1295011612 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: You can't die on that server. < 1295011615 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I will just //goto one metre further. < 1295011616 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295011631 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, but you'd be a FILTHY CHEATER. < 1295011637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that wouldn't really change anything < 1295011662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :going farthest is the inspiration, not an actual goal < 1295011683 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You could try walking 100 km to bring visibility for some charity, I hear that's very popular. < 1295011691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295011703 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :walking 100km irl isn't much of a project either < 1295011718 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did this rather spontaneous 80km walk one weekend < 1295011723 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but on-server there'd be a large audience. < 1295011729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely < 1295011738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk 4Mm. < 1295011762 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can then say to everyone you walked the distance through the world! < 1295011818 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not quite the whole world. < 1295011841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, 4000Mm is the radius, isn't it? < 1295011850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that either, I don't think. < 1295011860 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4000 megameters? < 1295011868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you corrected < 1295011869 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yourself < 1295011876 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because some protocol messages use absolute-integer coordinates that denote 1/32ths of a block; that'd be 2^27 metres. < 1295011891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i might not have that much time for mc now since i just realized courses + other stuff actually take quite a lot of time, so dunno < 1295011899 0 :totem!~brasero@unaffiliated/totem JOIN :#esoteric < 1295011902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I did mean IRL. < 1295011912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ohhh, right. < 1295011925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no "distance through the world" in mc < 1295011943 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nicer than the current fixed height tho < 1295011963 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IRL the Earth's circumference is 40 Mm; 40k kilometres. < 1295011999 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mean radius is ~6.5Mm. < 1295012010 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*6.3 < 1295012019 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean radius < 1295012020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*6.4 < 1295012027 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, rounding. < 1295012041 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, the radius? Of the planet? < 1295012048 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It's the distance from the center to the surface, approximately. < 1295012052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that was a pun that made no sense < 1295012082 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway earth's is a mean radius < 1295012092 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh. < 1295012098 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I completely failed to catch that. < 1295012140 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't have two parsings < 1295012150 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't think of one that does < 1295012152 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote no that was a pun that made no sense < 1295012168 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Earth's is a mean radius" works. < 1295012191 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1295012212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with that mean-ing of mean, everything technically works < 1295012220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, everything with mean radius that is < 1295012244 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remote Authentication Dial In User Service (RADIUS). < 1295012245 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :267) no that was a pun that made no sense < 1295012297 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, hey, can we have an unmodified SMP server while we wait for hMod to update? < 1295012313 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a pony! < 1295012329 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is in a weird mood today
< 1295012346 0 :totem!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ < 1295012365 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, hMod shouldn't take too long: the github repo has a "NON WORKING beta 1.2 release, DEVELOPERS ONLY" already. < 1295012374 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, whoops, I misread that as "NOW WORKING". < 1295012401 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, it's just one more line. < 1295012413 0 :MigoMipo!~John@62.119.155.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295012540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295013268 0 :Tritonio!~TrT@150.140.227.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295013363 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295013364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1295013364 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295013475 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1295013855 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1295013944 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts oklopol in a simulation of conway's game of DEATH!!#$!$#
< 1295014567 0 :__xrott__!~rottensix@110.139.109.163 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295014653 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh so I have an egg < 1295014663 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to find that sugar cane < 1295014717 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and flour I guess < 1295014726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really worth it to make cake? < 1295014734 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1295014850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a principle thing, I think: it's cake, after all. < 1295014852 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a new recipe. < 1295014856 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it say peter griffin :| < 1295014859 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All new recipes should be crafted at least once. < 1295014883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes, actually. < 1295014897 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It regenerates a total of 9 hearts and you can stagger it. < 1295014902 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Minecraft Beta 1.2_01 (less bugs, more framerates)" < 1295014906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that didn't take long. < 1295014909 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So have a single cake in your shelter, and use it when you get hurt. < 1295014948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* Added a temporary fix to get rid of chunk visibility errors < 1295014948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last one is interesting.. The problem with chunk visibility errors was that for some reason the “dirty” flag on chunks and the list of “dirty chunks” got out of synch. There wasn’t time to try to do a proper fix today, so I just made the client check a couple of dirty chunks per frame to make sure they’re in the list. < 1295014948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So until we fix it proper, you might get invisible chunks, but they will fix themselves after a second or two, usually way before you even get close to them." < 1295014958 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How very shotgun-codingy. < 1295014992 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, you can't put cake in the hand to use it? < 1295015035 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no. < 1295015054 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you can use it 6 times, which doesn't work with MC's eating system. < 1295015063 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is also why food items don't stack. < 1295015077 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have the smegging Serenity theme stuck in my head... < 1295015084 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even seen the film! < 1295015100 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even watched Firefly! It's just latched onto my brain and it won't let go! < 1295015103 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is block resistence n/a? < 1295015112 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a block, isn't it? < 1295015196 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cake? < 1295015211 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can't be picked up, so... < 1295015215 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it could be an entity. < 1295015248 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that charcoal exists, is there a point to regular coal? < 1295015262 0 :__xrott__!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :............... < 1295015265 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, you know that block resistance measures the damage from TNT? < 1295015272 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, vaguely < 1295015277 0 :Tritonio_GR!~TrT@150.140.227.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295015286 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes, i.e. that it's a lot less resource-intensive to mine coal than to smelt lots of wood. < 1295015312 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll bump into coal when mining normally anyway. < 1295015345 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, turns out that you can make bonemeal into any other dye. < 1295015438 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1295015509 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bone meal is used to make white wool by crafting one Wool block with bone meal above it." < 1295015510 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh < 1295015609 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sheep can also have their wool dyed by directly using dye (right clicking) on them. When a dyed Sheep is attacked it will drop coloured wool in the same way normal sheep drop their wool. This can be useful because you can obtain multiple coloured wool blocks from a single Sheep, instead of getting just one block from the crafting process." < 1295015614 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now *that*'s amusing. < 1295015636 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm feel like painting all on-server sheep pink. < 1295015772 0 :__xrott__!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1295015843 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is the server updated? < 1295015865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, it isn't :( < 1295015866 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1295015867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1295015868 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant < 1295015870 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no. < 1295015871 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION plays
< 1295015875 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for future reference. < 1295016020 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait do you need a pick to mine coal?? < 1295016030 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you break the block without you just get nothing? < 1295016104 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1295016128 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a wooden pick is good enough. < 1295016153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXorGZcsnHo < 1295016162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mt. Hoover *needs* one of these. < 1295016185 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I ust wasted two blocks of coal ;_; < 1295016223 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I tried making a farm but if you run too far away the animals disappear < 1295016229 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: like even if they are completely trapped < 1295016246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they must despawn if you venture too far. < 1295016295 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nice sound. < 1295016338 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow tta's like an arrow cannon why does that work? < 1295016410 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dispenser + clock circuit, isn't that quite simple. < 1295016493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RAjfNdZ0hw&feature=player_embedded < 1295016496 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My god. < 1295016506 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand it < 1295016509 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes? < 1295016510 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this thing built into the game < 1295016514 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the trick is getting a very high-speed oscillator. < 1295016518 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that some kind of unintended consequence < 1295016520 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, just got added. < 1295016522 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday. < 1295016542 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dispensers eject their contents when they receive a redstone charge. < 1295016564 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say I understand redstone oscillators either, but they're well-known things, you can find designs in the web. < 1295016613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The moment when that video actually scrolls up was very impressive. < 1295016624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extremely. < 1295016713 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume some sort of a trick has been used to fill all those guns with eggs, though. < 1295016929 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, natureally. < 1295016932 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*naturally < 1295017008 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295017196 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1295017300 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1295017458 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is leaving soon
< 1295017473 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To wait 5 hours to see someone for 1.5 hours :/ < 1295017540 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not just go in 4 hours? < 1295017570 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By waiting, I mean most of the time will be commutting < 1295017572 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I can't think of a suitable Katie A.T. comment here. Submissions are welcomed.) < 1295017677 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1295017732 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so how many bugs did the new version add? < 1295017734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about commuting and the AT-AT walker, maybe. < 1295017754 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, will you be travelling on a KT-AT, then? < 1295017758 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, none I noticed. < 1295017761 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BA-DUM CHING < 1295017769 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, I didn't do any particularly intensive playing. < 1295017797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well there is a _01 version < 1295017820 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I didn't see any bugs. < 1295017826 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't been on SMP as well, though. < 1295017847 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and they added the bug fixes from optimine it seems < 1295017848 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1295017869 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The top speed of AT-AT is 60 km/h, maybe you could work that in too somehow. < 1295017873 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1295017911 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and gold tools got a boost, but not when it comes to durability < 1295017955 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have decided that as soon as the server updates Mt. Hoover must get a repeating double-barrel arrow machine gun. < 1295017962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXorGZcsnHo < 1295017971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I agree, but only if we also get creepers. < 1295017980 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesyesyes. < 1295017989 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope we don't get creepers < 1295018002 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps we could do that SMP airbase thing while we wait for hMod to update. < 1295018008 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:12:51 "While the copyright of the play Peter Pan, or the Boy Who Wouldn't Grow Up by J. M. Barrie has expired in the United Kingdom, it was granted a special exception under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (Schedule 6)[33] that requires royalties to be paid for performances within the UK, so long as Great Ormond Street Hospital (to whom Barrie gave the rights) continues to exist." < 1295018016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is ridiculous. < 1295018019 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Vorpal agrees not to whine about dying. < 1295018027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have diamond armour and probably more than one diamond sword. < 1295018038 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I do not have diamond armour < 1295018040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as an almost-inaccessible-for-mobs, completely-protected castle. < 1295018042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have literally nothing to fear. < 1295018046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, you can trivially get it. < 1295018054 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1295018056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you nabbed diamond from spawn when you could which I find likely. < 1295018057 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Surely that's not recognized in any other country? < 1295018062 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr < 1295018064 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That < 1295018069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but we'll obviously set creepers off everywhere on top of Mt. Vorpal. < 1295018073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Presumably. < 1295018092 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, it's only royalties for performances in the UK, not "proper" copyright-as-in-actually-control-the-rights thing. But still. < 1295018095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Still, ugh -- can you imagine trying to overturn that? "But what about the children!" (Great Ormond Street is a children's hospital.) < 1295018104 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I read that as that they are turned off < 1295018122 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?! < 1295018141 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think children should be banned just so people can't pull that crap. < 1295018149 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So what if a different children's hospital wants to put on a performance of it :P < 1295018166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: THEY HAVE TO TURN OFF LIFE SUPPORT SYSTEMS TO RAISE MONEY TO GIVE TO THE EVIL, CORPORATE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL. < 1295018175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!?!?!?! < 1295018198 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, they'll live so long as their medicinal colon pipes are in place. < 1295018230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Assuming you nabbed diamond from spawn when you could which I find likely. <-- I wish I had... < 1295018237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if some paedophile seizes them, Gregor. < 1295018244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Just ask server for diamond, the chest not working is a mere bug. < 1295018250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm sure you'd get it. < 1295018264 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye elliott and all < 1295018278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye? < 1295018278 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Well, I might be here a few more minutes. Don't rely on it though] < 1295018281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Alluded-To. < 1295018281 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still you don't even have somewhere to hide at night. < 1295018292 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sgeo is off on a 5-hour KT-AT trip.) < 1295018300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5-hour? Dear god. < 1295018309 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: When the KT-AT's rocking, you'd better not come a'knocking. < 1295018309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, but I have enough diamond blocks from spawn to make diamond armour and a sword. < 1295018310 0 :totem!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1295018319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And with that you don't _need_ a house. < 1295018327 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Based on the movie, those things seemed pretty wobbly.) < 1295018333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Do you have that locally or have you tried it on a test server? < 1295018336 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I creeper exploded my pyramid :( < 1295018337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he said that it was 5 hours for a sum total of half an hour of whatever the hell it is he plans to do. < 1295018340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I have; you kill skeletons in two hits. < 1295018348 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, still you don't even have somewhere to hide at night. < 1295018350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Eh? < 1295018351 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: :( < 1295018368 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Do you have that locally or have you tried it on a test server? <-- tried what? < 1295018373 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 5 hours of travel for 1.5 hours of "action". < 1295018375 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has a share in HHI, and as such can use corporate shelters. < 1295018398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Diamond armour + sword. < 1295018410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Couldn't they just use a hotel? < 1295018416 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I made some just now on ineiros' server < 1295018419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they need to go to the Australian outback for some privacy. < 1295018449 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, with a dad like that, who knows < 1295018459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1295018467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They turn around and he's been following them ALL THIS TIME < 1295018473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the way to Australia < 1295018478 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm < 1295018485 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is going on here < 1295018489 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295018492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Sgeo is in Australia < 1295018492 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/gVH9s.png < 1295018495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295018506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: what do you mean? < 1295018512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lol @ _01, i wonder what notch broke < 1295018514 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :water comeing from nowhere O_o < 1295018521 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, he's headed for Australia. < 1295018522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: All water comes from nowhere. < 1295018527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: It's a water block. < 1295018529 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137183.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1295018533 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraft does not have conservation of mass < 1295018533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like at the edges of pools, say. < 1295018536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it flows down from there. < 1295018544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: All waterfalls are like that. < 1295018550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: (only 3 torches?) < 1295018556 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> we're not doing anything < 1295018563 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1295018572 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it's OK, your dad can't spy on you here. < 1295018578 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait, maybe he can. < 1295018583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "The last one is interesting.. The problem with chunk visibility errors was that for some reason the “dirty” flag on chunks and the list of “dirty chunks” got out of synch. There wasn’t time to try to do a proper fix today, so I just made the client check a couple of dirty chunks per frame to make sure they’re in the list." < 1295018590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: [I am watching you. --your dad, proxying] < 1295018594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: [xoxo] < 1295018603 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, we can always kidnap him for a couple of hours. < 1295018613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: So what's the secret useful block? < 1295018614 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll be more than happy to, in fact. < 1295018624 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dispenser < 1295018626 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*. < 1295018627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. And then kill him. < 1295018636 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sshhhh! < 1295018645 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're TRYING to trick Sgeo! < 1295018648 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: UPDATE THE SERVER < 1295018655 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something interesting in nether? < 1295018687 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga, lightstone. Slow sand. Netherstone. Ghasts. < 1295018697 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, wait with updating server until hmod is updated (or bukkit is out) < 1295018699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, :) < 1295018706 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also usable as hyperspace. < 1295018706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just use the alternative laucher to play < 1295018709 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hMod will never be updated. < 1295018718 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well wait for bukkit then < 1295018726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Bukkit is not going to be stable for a _while_. < 1295018730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They haven't even released a pre-alpha build yet. < 1295018739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is nothing wrong with the vanilla server, just don't make any big jumps. < 1295018743 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like you do anyway, thanks to armour. < 1295018747 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well iirc hmod was going to be upgraded until hmod was out < 1295018755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Allow me to quote. < 1295018756 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if I do that I take armour off. < 1295018761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although people have already been under the impression that we pledged to keep hMod up to date, this isn't the case. Prior to this announcement, we had not stated anywhere that we would be maintaining hMod and anyone believing otherwise was mistaken. However, we do recognise the predicament we've put server admins in as hey0 has announced that hMod is essentially no more, and Bukkit is not ready for public consumption yet. < 1295018762 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[We will try and update hMod (at least this time)]] — Bukkit devs. < 1295018770 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the Bukkit team are "trying" to update hMod. < 1295018773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wouldn't rely on it. < 1295018775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The beta update is _big_. < 1295018781 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah. < 1295018788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will take longer then the original beta update, I would bet. < 1295018794 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1295018795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I would just use the vanilla server for now. < 1295018806 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just use the alternative launcher < 1295018809 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works perfectly < 1295018816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already updated, and I want lapis lazuli. < 1295018822 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow sand? < 1295018825 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295018833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: *SOUUUUUL sand < 1295018834 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you don't have a backup? Well I could send you my files then < 1295018838 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, relevant: bonemeal can be turned into lapis lazuli. < 1295018847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think you're missing something here: I _want_ to be updated. < 1295018852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What exactly is wrong with the vanilla server? < 1295018858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros used it before and there were no problems. < 1295018861 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no /home or /spawn < 1295018863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem: we don't have bonemeal unless monsters are on. < 1295018868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So? < 1295018870 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181137255.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1295018873 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also, health is a bugger. < 1295018875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like you can't find Mount Vorpal. < 1295018882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Less of a bugger than not having the newest version < 1295018895 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not really no. The current version works fine. < 1295018902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure, as long as monsters are off. < 1295018933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current version isn't fine for anyone who's using the latest version in their single-player game < 1295018951 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, easy to switch. just an mv < 1295018956 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or two rather < 1295018964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and you always made backup of old version before < 1295018969 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I would assume you have that now too < 1295018975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I didn't, because I realise it'll only be useful for a few days. < 1295019010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well then I can send you my files if you want. < 1295019024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather ineiros updates :-P < 1295019026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did last time, so. < 1295019035 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway no glass kit, no other kit either if you play without a mod < 1295019053 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295019067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like glass is being used much. < 1295019076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not like our tools are going to wear out in the next, uh, 100 years or so. < 1295019089 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a "non-working" 1.2 hMod in th github, so someone's doing something, at least. < 1295019093 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually, shovels can wear out surprisingly quickly. < 1295019104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH NO GRASS WILL TAKE HALF A SECOND TO DIG!!!!!!!!!! < 1295019111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, relevant: bonemeal can be turned into lapis lazuli. <-- how? < 1295019119 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not telling. < 1295019123 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SECRET < 1295019126 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there is no mention on the wiki of that < 1295019127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Advantage of latest beta: Coal is completely renewable. < 1295019135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: With a tree farm, you can turn 0 coal into 1,000,000 coal. < 1295019143 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, that is a minor advantage. < 1295019144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Why? Wood can be smelted into 8 coal. < 1295019146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Minor"? < 1295019151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coal is the most useful fucking ore in the game. < 1295019155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have like 70 furnaces. < 1295019156 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, disadvantage: no hmod or bukkit yet < 1295019160 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is way larger < 1295019162 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS. < 1295019183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ... seriously, how often do you use hMod commands? /home, /spawn, maybe. < 1295019188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Health? You never do anything dangerous anyway. < 1295019189 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have enough iron stocks to offset health considerably anyway. < 1295019197 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, /kit too < 1295019209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: seriously? < 1295019212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often do you use that? < 1295019215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's (1) glass and (2) tools. < 1295019221 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, twice the last few hours. Been mining. < 1295019222 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You already have tools. Probably backups knowing you. < 1295019235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mining? Don't you have EVERY ORE EVER? < 1295019256 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1295019259 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mining is also fun. Since I combined it with spelunking < 1295019273 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and without spelunking, what is the point of minecraft? < 1295019277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riiiiiiight. < 1295019342 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and health off is important. < 1295019382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It isn't. < 1295019389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You always do things the safest way. You rarely jump far. < 1295019390 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why not < 1295019397 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a language with a continuous address space? < 1295019398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How on EARTH is health a problem for you? < 1295019404 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, never wondered why I had no armour the last few weeks? < 1295019407 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because it broke < 1295019407 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. floating-point pointers < 1295019413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: By doing what? < 1295019421 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, spelunking < 1295019435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How did you lose health? < 1295019450 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fall damage mostly < 1295019456 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, given the health regenerates and armour doesn't, it's not too big a deal. < 1295019462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Are you too stupid to see what's right ahead of you?? < 1295019469 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't jump down 20-metre drops and you'll be fine. < 1295019469 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But yeah, as Phantom_Hoover said, health regenerate. < 1295019471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*regenerates. < 1295019472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quickly. < 1295019477 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1295019478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you could die without being incredibly wilfully stupid. < 1295019480 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, only if monsters are off though < 1295019487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Uhh, you think ineiros is going to turn monsters on? < 1295019489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you on crack? < 1295019505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, I was going to wait for hMod, BUT INSTEAD I TURNED MONSTERS AND PVP ON AND THEN DESTROYED YOUR HOUSE, ENJOY." < 1295019505 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who knows. Has he been near alcohol? < 1295019519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, I forgot, alcohol turns people into abject morons in Vorpal-land. < 1295019528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No exceptions. < 1295019532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well remember hell world? < 1295019548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note how that had no lasting effects and did not take place in the actual world. < 1295019553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note how it happened only because of lots of invalid moving going on. < 1295019558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note how you're making no sense whatsoever. < 1295019559 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true < 1295019566 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making sense < 1295019569 0 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1295019616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Someone on comp.lang.c seriously suggested extending C so that floats can be used as array indices to access individual bits of the bytes. < 1295019647 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i was more thinking about arbitrary-precision definitions of data < 1295019650 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1295019651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :-D < 1295019654 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295019655 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractals or continuous functions < 1295019662 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, makes sense. < 1295019663 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can see how floats would be fun there :D < 1295019664 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: the Infinity Machine has infinite-sequence-of-bits addressed memory. < 1295019666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is equivalent. < 1295019673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/infinity.html < 1295019683 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: welllllll < 1295019692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :An infinite sequence of bits is the same as a real. < 1295019697 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the practical side of things will probably be very different. < 1295019699 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't disagree with that, because you'll be wrong. < 1295019705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: This is not practical in any way, shape, or form. < 1295019784 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-10-158.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295019916 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1295019919 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the way i like it. < 1295019959 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm installing half of windows on my ubuntu right now. meh < 1295019974 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does everyone use windows? < 1295019979 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1295019979 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought it was rubbish so I never bothered < 1295019981 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1295019988 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i want to run fallout 2 < 1295019993 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this means i need to run winetricks < 1295019994 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, join the club! < 1295020001 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is market dominance. < 1295020007 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA capitalism doesn't actually work. < 1295020010 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use Mac OS but I don't like apple any more < 1295020011 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1295020040 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think apple used to be a good company but they have rotted and now they push DRM etc etc < 1295020044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i hate apple, just bought an apple machine, and don't use mac os on it < 1295020049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1295020062 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I couldn't install any GNU/Linux system of my mac < 1295020085 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT < 1295020087 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I could but it didn't work perfectly < 1295020105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GNU/Linux/X.org/util-linux-ng/cron/... < 1295020117 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats X.org lol < 1295020126 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Linux < 1295020128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The providers of the X11 server. The term GNU/Linux is frankly offensive. < 1295020140 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a kernel for the GNU operating system? < 1295020145 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux is a made up operating system from the hit TV series "The IT Crowd" < 1295020145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, GNU did _not_ provide all the software required to run this Linux machine. < 1295020157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't get the right to the name just because they wrote the coreutils. < 1295020162 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: oh. < 1295020184 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: got any citation on this? < 1295020191 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Citation for what exactly? < 1295020201 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that GNU/Linux is offensive < 1295020203 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: for the fact that GNU did not make ALL of Linux < 1295020207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, actually look up who wrote the software? < 1295020210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: That's a personal, subjective opinion. < 1295020216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: How am I supposed to provide a citation for it? < 1295020226 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: [E. Hird] < 1295020234 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use non-GNU software integrally to your OS, "GNU/Linux" is inaccurate. < 1295020257 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what about GNU+Linux? < 1295020259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Linux" is more acceptable since it is almost universally used as a generic term for a Linux-based operating system; "the Linux kernel" is more commonly used to refer to the kernel itself. < 1295020277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GNU/Linux" manages, by omission, to disregard all the other important parties who wrote software to make a modern Linux OS work fully. < 1295020284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rms enjoys overstating GNU's efforts. < 1295020285 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since Linux :|: GNU != {} < 1295020286 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Linux omits them too < 1295020301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: As I said: Linux is used as a generic name to refer to a Linux-based operating system. < 1295020312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: "GNU/Linux" is explicitly defined, and exclusively used, as referring to Linux as a kernel. < 1295020316 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, you still haven't demonstrated that you aren't English and as such should not be ignored, BtW. < 1295020322 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, "GNU/Linux" disregards more efforts than "Linux". < 1295020331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also puts GNU in an unwarranted position of importance. < 1295020347 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other kernels does GNU have? < 1295020352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HUUUUURD < 1295020358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, uh, kFreeBSD if you use Debian :-P < 1295020368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that uses BSD libc I think. Or does it? I don't know. Maybe not. < 1295020374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think not actually. < 1295020381 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott HUUUUURD < 1295020401 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kElliottBSD < 1295020410 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Liott < 1295020422 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the three kernels of the ELLIOTT operating system. < 1295020430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@'s kernel is @. < 1295020430 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ ask bf do ft id msg pl rc v wn < 1295020437 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck off, lambdabot. < 1295020455 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any kernels being developed for lambda machines? < 1295020459 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf-txtgen floople < 1295020468 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lambda machines"? < 1295020472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fail < 1295020472 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1295020472 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1295020477 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp machines! < 1295020478 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is. < 1295020484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen rambunctiability < 1295020495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Uh, Genera is still sold but not maintained. < 1295020503 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was fungot for some reason... < 1295020503 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: when, in such a fun thing! just foaming at the < 1295020518 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't the GNU operating system (emacs) work on lisp machines? < 1295020570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Symbolics machines came with Zmacs. < 1295020581 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :136 ++++++++++++++[>+>++++++++>+++++++>+++++++<<<<-]>>++.>>-.<<-----.>.<++++++++.-------.>+.<++++++.>++++++.>.+.+++++++.+++.<.<.+++++.<----. [700] < 1295020583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Well, and all other Lisp Machines. < 1295020588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Zmacs was written for the MIT Lisp machine and runs on its descendants (Symbolics Genera, LMI Lambda, TI Explorer). Zmacs is written in Lisp Machine Lisp (called ZetaLisp on Symbolics Lisp Machines)." < 1295020635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@bf ++++++++++++++[>+>++++++++>+++++++>+++++++<<<<-]>>++.>>-.<<-----.>.<++++++++.-------.>+.<++++++.>++++++.>.+.+++++++.+++.<.<.+++++.<----. < 1295020635 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : rambunctiability < 1295020667 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can hear a lot of teen girls outside my door < 1295020672 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go check it out < 1295020684 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen On Thinkable Forms, with notes towards a Logical Imaging Technique < 1295020688 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :653 ++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++++++>++++++>+++<<<<-]>-----.>++.>>----.<<<+++++.++++++++++++++++++++.+.>.---.<--------.+.>+.<+++.>>>.<--.<<++++++++++.+++.>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.++++++.>++++++++++++.------------.<++++.<---.>---.<-.>>.<<<----.+.>>.<---.>-.>.<+.-----.++++++++.<----.<+++.>+++.>----.>.<<---.>>.<<---------------------.>----.<<-----------.++.------.--.>>---.>.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ < 1295020693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :phail < 1295020805 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1295020816 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should generate a new world after update < 1295020827 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to mine new blocks, right? < 1295020841 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just move around to generate new chunks? < 1295020878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: just move around < 1295020893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: you may want to use a mapping tool to find where the nearest unloaded part is < 1295020941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Oh look, flight in Beta." http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=131336&sid=9ad025becbbe3a02f18bb7fa340b6670 < 1295020944 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Bat -- out of the cag. < 1295021005 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^ < 1295021202 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00 is not back < 1295021220 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is now < 1295021231 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought the girls < 1295021232 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teen girls in pantyhose = win < 1295021232 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1295021247 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were they doing there? < 1295021254 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're there every day all day < 1295021265 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i live in a big house that has two ballrooms < 1295021274 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since monday they're being used for a ballet school < 1295021283 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295021295 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the teacher is all like "hey wanna join the classez" < 1295021323 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm mostly like "i'll have to see which group i like most" < 1295021323 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::x < 1295021440 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know what really really irritates me < 1295021452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: No, no I don't < 1295021462 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when people say "yes, yes it is" or whatever < 1295021471 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it repeat the word? < 1295021472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But. I say that < 1295021473 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes it's irritating < 1295021487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for emphasis, welcome to language :P < 1295021528 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "I'm not _not_ sad" doesn't mean exactly that you're sad?? < 1295021535 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1295021811 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : What we say is that you ought to give the system's principal developer a share of the credit. The principal developer is the GNU Project, and the system is basically GNU. < 1295021814 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you feel even more strongly about giving credit where it is due, you might feel that some secondary contributors also deserve credit in the system's name. If so, far be it from us to argue against it. If you feel that X11 deserves credit in the system's name, and you want to call the system GNU/X11/Linux, please do. If you feel that Perl simply cries out for mention, and you want to write GNU/Linux/Perl, go ahead. < 1295021820 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Since a long name such as GNU/X11/Apache/Linux/TeX/Perl/Python/FreeCiv becomes absurd, at some point you will have to set a threshold and omit the names of the many other secondary contributions. There is no one obvious right place to set the threshold, so wherever you set it, we won't argue against it. < 1295021825 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Different threshold levels would lead to different choices of name for the system. But one name that cannot result from concerns of fairness and giving credit, not for any possible threshold level, is “Linux”. It can't be fair to give all the credit to one secondary contribution (Linux) while omitting the principal contribution (GNU). < 1295021890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: GNU is not the principal contributor to Linux. < 1295021893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is mere propaganda. < 1295021900 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1295021911 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally "Linux" as a name does NOT refer to the kernel, it refers to the kernel PLUS all the additional software. That is how the terminology has evolved. < 1295021921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Claiming otherwise is dishonest. < 1295021942 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that propaganda < 1295021983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Because it distorts the facts in a way that makes GNU look more important than they are, to serve something GNU wants (for people to call it GNU/Linux). < 1295022062 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what facts < 1295022076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, "GNU/X11/Apache/Linux/TeX/Perl/Python/FreeCiv" <-- interesting product < 1295022091 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out what combining perl, tex and python would do
< 1295022093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: For instance "GNU is the principal contributor to a full Linux-based system" is incorrect. < 1295022110 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linus is? < 1295022114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: No? < 1295022118 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the < 1295022120 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah yeah, not meant like that) < 1295022120 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what then < 1295022126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no one principal contributor. < 1295022135 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2008, we found that GNU packages made up 15% of the “main” repository of the gNewSense GNU/Linux distribution. Linux made up 1.5%. So the same argument would apply even more strongly to calling it “Linux”. < 1295022146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Package count is irrelevant. < 1295022165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: gNewSense is a biased source; it is a GNU project that refuses to package software the FSF doesn't consider a suitable part of a Free system, this includes Firefox. < 1295022173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They instead package a GNU fork of Firefox, artificially inflating the GNU count here. etc. < 1295022181 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, Linux deserves a mention. It is the kernel after all. Same goes for any other kernel. < 1295022197 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Ubuntu replaced the GNU coreutils with a fully-featured BusyBox tomorrow, yes, the system would be different, but the essential use of the system for 90% of its users would be very, very similar. < 1295022201 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least more than the userland does < 1295022209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian and Ubuntu already use a non-GNU C library -- eglibc, a fork of the GNU libc. < 1295022210 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a good point < 1295022223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, they could use a fully-featured uClibc and the system would still be very similar. < 1295022228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the same, but similar. < 1295022235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Heck, for most users of Ubuntu, the main contributor is GNOME. < 1295022238 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know bout eglibc etc :D < 1295022241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a GNU project, yes. < 1295022241 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never heard of these < 1295022242 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, actually I would react, mostly because much of my .bashrc would be broken :P < 1295022243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But consider KDE users. < 1295022249 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I have a dormant distribution project. < 1295022256 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that? < 1295022258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I said similar for most users. < 1295022261 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: What's... KDE? < 1295022269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the question you are actually asking...? < 1295022281 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dormat distribution project < 1295022286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1295022288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dormant :P < 1295022292 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah I could survive. Might patch busybox grep to add --colour=auto or such. And a few small things like that < 1295022293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called Kitten. < 1295022297 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1295022299 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1295022312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notably it gives me good grounds to claim that GNU is not an essential part of Linux systems; I (was going to) use uClibc and BusyBox. < 1295022327 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1295022336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaving the main GNU software being, uh, the core compilation tools (binutils and gcc), and Emacs. < 1295022352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're a vi fan and use clang, that's reduced to just binutils. < 1295022369 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw do you know any better way than temporarily changing the /bin/sh symlink to bash from dash when a build system refuses to work with dash as /bin/sh. In this case it was some sub-configure of older binutils that I needed to a cross tolchain (no support for that target in recent binutils) < 1295022383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gregor has the solution to that. < 1295022385 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPS! < 1295022386 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it a sub-configure of old gcc? hm. One of them < 1295022405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see, what would the syntax be... < 1295022411 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, something that works with minimal work. Something that is easier than sudo -s and changing the symlink around < 1295022420 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, like setting an env variable or something < 1295022421 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: $ sps with 'sh == bash' -- ./configure < 1295022432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming == is the syntax for setting the selected metapackage or whatever. < 1295022443 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, takes more work since I would need to install that and so on. < 1295022454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "How can I solve this problem without changing anything?" You can't. < 1295022480 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I had a vague memory that make had some MAKE_SHELL_TO_BE_USED env var. < 1295022484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with some other name) < 1295022490 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How about $ find . | xargs sed -i 's,/bin/sh,bash,g' < 1295022503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, confgure isn't make. < 1295022516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yep, but I was hoping it had something similar < 1295022529 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you know, it has CC, LD, and what not < 1295022532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not I thought < 1295022536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean like: < 1295022543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh < 1295022560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ! [ "x$SH" = "x" ]; then < 1295022567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well the issue here was that it was in a subconfigure. And also I think inside a statement using sh -c or similar < 1295022574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : if ! [ "$SH" = "/bin/sh" ]; then < 1295022580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : $SH "$0" < 1295022583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : exit < 1295022583 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah :P < 1295022584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fi < 1295022584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fi < 1295022585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1295022597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Verbosity added due to configure working on ANY SYSTEM YOU WANT, so long as it's GNU.) < 1295022616 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well just doing bash ./configure would work EXCEPT that it was one of the damn recursive configures that was invoked after you run make < 1295022625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throw it out and write your own program. < 1295022637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh wow, with that SH thing, you could do < 1295022641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SH=cat ./configure < 1295022646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GENIUS < 1295022647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for older gcc you did a cross toolchain by cd gcc-source && ln -s ../binutils-source/foo < 1295022650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of stuff < 1295022653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ GENIUS < 1295022683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and then you built gcc and binutils together at once < 1295022759 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I had to patch gcc configure since it grepped configure.ac of binutils for the version of it, and depended on a specific whitespace length for indentation. Which was no longer the case. < 1295022768 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, gnu buildsystem eh? < 1295022772 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :build system* < 1295022786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't you know, it's _portable_. < 1295022793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except not between versions < 1295022799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or anything. < 1295022982 0 :Zuu!zuu@0x55529f1b.adsl.cybercity.dk JOIN :#esoteric < 1295022986 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1295022986 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1295023141 0 :doraemon___!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1295023143 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Get that APT developer over here to tell me how to write cabal2deb. < 1295023243 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, over here, why not go to where that guy is < 1295023266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's in Edinburgh. < 1295023274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ostensibly minorly incompetent. < 1295023338 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he hates functional programming. < 1295023349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strike ostensibly, minorly, insert incredibly. < 1295023777 0 :Tritonio!~TrT@150.140.227.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295023780 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He decided to learn C and C++ over Haskell and Lisp. < 1295023828 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And probably failed Higher maths, which is an exercise in stupidity.) < 1295023888 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@32.140.30.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295023944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, still on your KT-AT trip? < 1295023991 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wont take as long as I thought to get there, or to wait once I'm there. I miscounted < 1295024009 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly what is this journey you're making? < 1295024044 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1295024078 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A detour around a train station my dad said was unsafe < 1295024083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :L O L < 1295024093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no words left. < 1295024098 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, me preferring tl be an hour early than a little late < 1295024120 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, that offer of kidnapping is still valid. < 1295024132 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, you will have to pay me not to go through with it. < 1295024171 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have only saved 20 min or so to use that route, and due to my wish to be early I would have left the house at the same time < 1295024218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's this film noir mafia train station in my head and I love it. < 1295024340 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There better be a place to sit < 1295024376 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to save battery. Bye. < 1295024378 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1295024403 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Don't go through that station, Seth. THERE MIGHT NOT BE A PLACE TO SIT" < 1295024416 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If this conversation did not take place someone will die. < 1295024458 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh, best part of Incompetent APT Guy: despite having evidently no aptitude for mathematics whatsoever, he wants to do CS at university < 1295024478 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1295024498 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :today, CS is for people who "can't do math" < 1295024501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seth... that station be grue territory. Don't go/ < 1295024502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*go. < 1295024506 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it shouldn't be though) < 1295024555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: there are good CS curricula out there ... but ... < 1295024566 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rare < 1295024603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect scotland of holding them hostage from the rest of the world < 1295024615 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1295024626 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-140.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295024675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oxford apparently uses Haskell and Oberon for first-years, which is an... interesting combination < 1295024748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i suspect scotland of holding them hostage from the rest of the world ← hm? < 1295024759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Think Epigram. < 1295024768 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes. < 1295024777 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're so inferior to me. < 1295024791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. Perhaps I shall step in front of a train. < 1295024810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, someone actually uses csh. < 1295024823 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astonishing. < 1295024871 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, it's not just that he can't do maths, he's doing Higher /again/. < 1295024883 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeating because he was not good at it? < 1295024885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile: "Gnus is an awesome mail and news reader, but it can be a bit of a performance bear, especially when using IMAP. Since Emacs is single-threaded, IMAP operations that take too long can disconnect you from IRC, Jabber, or any number of other network services you also use from Emacs." < 1295024889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This implies he either failed or got an abysmal mark when he first did it. < 1295024891 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait I don't even know who you are talking about < 1295024968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, just so you know, Higher maths goes no further than basic calculus. < 1295024984 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is it < 1295024987 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295024994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1295024999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just thinking about scapegoat actually < 1295025012 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... Emacs is single-threaded? Wow. It's even more of a hack than I thought. < 1295025019 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, a guy at my school who is an APT developer or somesuch. < 1295025019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You didn't know that? < 1295025031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm fairly sure he hasn't actually submitted any code for apt. < 1295025032 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apt < 1295025043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, probably. < 1295025046 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he hacks on some serious software he probably has some ability < 1295025064 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would put not being skilled at mathematics down to the low quality of mathematics education in general < 1295025071 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any decent code he's done. < 1295025072 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: As I said, he doesn't actually code apt. < 1295025077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just creates deb packages. < 1295025084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seemingly limited to applying other people's debdiffs. < 1295025087 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teach him to program < 1295025088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least that's what I could find. < 1295025101 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: seriously? < 1295025111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would likely be living hell and Phantom_Hoover has other things he has to do. < 1295025144 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is also doing Advanced Higher computing, which, given my understanding of the SQA computing curricula, is probably just going to make him even worse at coding. < 1295025160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION despairs at the world.
< 1295025197 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I suppose they do actually run on DOS still. < 1295025207 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was deleting the "higher mathematics" to leave "curriculum" in Google, then started typing "advanced" at the start... and it came up with "advanced kindergarten curriculum". < 1295025214 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advanced. Kindergarten. < 1295025215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295025225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can I ask you a scapegoat question? < 1295025236 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Fingerpainting and quantum physics! < 1295025248 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY, need to see the AH computing curriculum to see if it's contempt-worthy. < 1295025264 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION forgets why he uses Firefox, switches to Chrome.
< 1295025317 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:14 * Phantom_Hoover despairs at the world. < 1295025319 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :teach him to program < 1295025323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: why < 1295025336 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix things < 1295025367 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, what can I do? I never exactly learned to program in any well-defined way myself. < 1295025382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: what < 1295025410 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you could learn some things from books < 1295025460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: why? < 1295025470 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why what < 1295025477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: why should he teach him how to program < 1295025480 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, SCEA v. George Hotz et al. is currently having a hearing regarding SCEA's motion for a temporary restraining order... < 1295025484 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to help both of them < 1295025486 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder how that's going down. < 1295025492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you believe he wants to be taught, he believes he can program already i gather < 1295025494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, not too interested. < 1295025496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: how would it help Phantom_Hoover < 1295025503 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably doesn't want to < 1295025506 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could always just chuck SICP at him and hope it sticks. < 1295025507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: how would it help Phantom_Hoover? < 1295025508 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might be < 1295025522 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is useful tot each things < 1295025536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I think Phantom_Hoover is competent enough already < 1295025580 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001f5b00390f-CM001e6b2335dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295025613 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Formal education in programming is, frankly, not helpful until you've got a general idea how it all works *anyways*... < 1295025615 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's daft, you can always learn more < 1295025629 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go for it < 1295025634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: not by teaching someone who already thinks he can program and has Strong Opinions that are wrong < 1295025644 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: okay < 1295025646 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how to program is a silly subject. algorithms and proofs thereof is where it's at, man < 1295025647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And heck, even formal "intro to programming" classes understand that. They pretty much go as far as "I want you to program this." < 1295025668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: when you append a file to a directory, you also put the objects (StartOfFile ) and (EndOfFile ) in the database, right? < 1295025672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :near-guaranteed way to spot spam #n+1: the body of the email asks you to contact an email address, claiming it's the author's, but which doesn't match the from or reply-to fields < 1295025680 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, yes, that's something that goes a bit beyond just "Here's the *bare basics*, now write some shit." < 1295025682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1295025690 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right < 1295025691 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have something to reference when you add to the file < 1295025692 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that could happen if someone changed their email address though < 1295025710 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: hmm, I should add "without any indication of why that should be" < 1295025720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm trying to implement all the basic change algorithms in Haskell now, as pure as possible, but I'm having trouble doing ordered vs. unordered change structures elegantly < 1295025726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: most of the algorithms on them are the same, but they share basically no members < 1295025744 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting, but maybe not so surprising < 1295025752 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i think of "programming" as translating proven ideas into established languages. and therefore, yes, it is the easy part :P < 1295025768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right now I'm considering just having SOF/EOF, the model being that there's only one file in this pure implementation :-) < 1295025779 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming is a craft. < 1295025781 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be a good start < 1295025802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like other crafts, the way to learn it is to just do it a lot. < 1295025806 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah i can see that < 1295025822 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't agree pikhq < 1295025836 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason it is a craft is because we don't properly understand it yet < 1295025851 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I do agree, it is a craft < 1295025854 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I would like to change that < 1295025863 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you change it to < 1295025874 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, how would you grep a file for two things? < 1295025886 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i.e., i want to filter the results of a grep by only showing the files that /also/ match another grep on that file < 1295025904 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: something based on a foundation. e.g. bridge building today is quite sensible, we know which ones stay up and which fall down < 1295025923 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but in the past we could not build such a variety of interesting bridges because only a very small number were known to stay up < 1295025944 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think programming will be similar: We should learn structural properties of large csale programming that "stay up" < 1295025974 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: We know *precisely* how to do large scale programming "right". < 1295025984 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's being done to i think. that is called software engineering i ween, and some places teach it better than others. < 1295025986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do? < 1295025998 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, it's nowhere near the level of bridge-building yet < 1295025999 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: huh? :) < 1295026004 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, "right" to the extent that we can create bug-free programs. < 1295026008 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, then why does noöne *do* it right? < 1295026012 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because bridge-building fundamentals are more standardized < 1295026014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: software engineering is code for "code monkey training" < 1295026017 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I want to make a bug free program :( < 1295026017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: We can? < 1295026018 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obnoxiously expensive! < 1295026027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You mean the NASA model? < 1295026029 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sadly, yes, in most places it is < 1295026029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that is not it. < 1295026040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is _not_ a fundamentally hard task, I don't think. < 1295026041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take bridges. < 1295026042 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well. Yes, I mean the NASA model. < 1295026052 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, I thought Sgeo was doing SE-but-stupider? < 1295026055 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor bastard... < 1295026058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is creating each bridge an immensely difficult effort that goes under intense, INTENSE scrutiny, where the architect has little freedom because IT MUST WORK? < 1295026065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *really*. < 1295026073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bridges are made all the time with not much fuss at all. < 1295026078 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NASA model is very interesting but I don't suppose it's necessary to work that way < 1295026080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they stay up. < 1295026091 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently it may well be the best, but in future there could be a "cheaper" way < 1295026100 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: galloping gertie aside, of course < 1295026103 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would you grep a file for two things? <-- grep -l | xargs grep < 1295026110 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that a multiline grep? < 1295026119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: well, sort of. < 1295026122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thanks < 1295026131 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what elliott asked for was grepping only files that matched another grep < 1295026139 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, a large part of the problem we see with common programs is that they are written in languages that make it *trivial* to introduce bugs. < 1295026141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's what xargs is for, pretty much < 1295026146 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel at this point that I should point out that bridges are vastly easier to reason about than your average program. < 1295026151 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even very dangerous bugs. < 1295026156 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah. That's insane, it's mad that people still use e.g. PHP < 1295026161 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously I've left a bunch of stuff out of the command line, but elliott's easily intelligent enough to infer it emself < 1295026162 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I just cannot understand that one bit < 1295026164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off-by-one error in C? Bam, you're fucked. < 1295026187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: not many languages make it easy to avoid bugs < 1295026190 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, I think he's thinking more of C and other languages which are stupidly low-level but are ubiquitous because programmers are, by and large, idiots. < 1295026204 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wtf, i seem to be unable to find my pastie of my scapegoat algo :D < 1295026208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i never pasted it < 1295026210 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but some languages make it easy to hit horrifyingly dangerous bugs. < 1295026211 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, Java was designed like that, but it doesn't actually help because throwing an exception and doing nothing about it is not much better than simply crashing < 1295026227 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: where "horrifingly dangerous" = security bug? data loss bug < 1295026228 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1295026240 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\n>/?/ < 1295026244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think "buffer overflows". < 1295026244 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, buffer overflow bug? < 1295026248 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, yeah, security bug. < 1295026258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :buffer overflows are just one sort of security bug < 1295026273 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arghghghgh < 1295026275 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's just an example of one that low-level languages make really easy to hit. < 1295026276 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is ftp_proxy being set < 1295026278 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, and they're by far the easiest to introduce. < 1295026287 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is linux so conniving < 1295026288 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure they're the most common, exploitable dangling/NULL pointers seem around as common < 1295026290 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um...what sort of people don't do something useful with caught exceptions? (tbh, i don't like the way java does exceptions, but i don't like people who ignore errors even more) < 1295026293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alhtough they're a bit harder to exploit < 1295026305 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this env variable isn't in any scripts that i know of! < 1295026317 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: people who just squash the error message, or log it, or whatever, or throw it right out of the program < 1295026321 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A buffer overflow can also just cause very unpredictable behavior. < 1295026324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I hardly ever see exceptions handled sensibly < 1295026336 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, i meant, what is those people's IQ level? < 1295026338 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least a crash in a Java program does just that: it stops working. < 1295026355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott@elliott-MacBookAir:~/esotericlogs$ grep 'elliott>.*http://sprunge' 10* | sed 's/.*http/http/g;s,us/\(\w*\).*,us/\1,g' | while read url; do echo "$url: $(curl -s $url | head -n 1)"; done < 1295026356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: probably quite high, programmers tend to be more intelligent than average, I imagine < 1295026357 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: am i insane? < 1295026361 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a case of stupidity, it's a case of not caring < 1295026370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so < 1295026390 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas in C, you could hypothetically have the program start formatting the hard drive while whistling, because the programmer forgot to check the size of a buffer. < 1295026392 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, I'm wondering how easy that operation would be in Windows, I doubt it would be a one-liner... < 1295026435 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there was a thread on comp.lang.c where they asked people what the worst undefined behaviour behaviour was that they'd ever seen in practice < 1295026447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/gZDO < 1295026448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :found it < 1295026449 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone had a buffer overflow jump to the "are you sure?" of the format routine, which happened to be in RAM at the time < 1295026463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1295026467 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and said they thought themselves lucky that it didn't jump to just after the check < 1295026468 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! < 1295026477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ? < 1295026477 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it may well have tried to format a nonexistent drive, though) < 1295026492 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, that's positively frightening. < 1295026502 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No MMU in that computer? < 1295026513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Probably DOS. < 1295026517 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i just want to make sure you realise that applying changes in scapegoat involves a potentially expensive topographic sort < 1295026522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: they didn't say it was DOS, but that was implied < 1295026530 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep, that seems plausible < 1295026542 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm one for semantics first, efficiency second, in most cases < 1295026543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because, you have to figure out the order to apply it in to avoid fake conflicts < 1295026546 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most things can be optimised < 1295026555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, in my opinion this is a great achievement < 1295026560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you know why? < 1295026564 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1295026571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: previously, it was thought that a version control system being slower than darcs 1 was a logical impossibility < 1295026575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we will prove them wrong < 1295026578 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1295026615 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, darcs 1? what is the current version of it? < 1295026621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 2 < 1295026622 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it optimises pretty well, actually; you can cache tsorts < 1295026627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they solved a major inefficiency < 1295026630 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah < 1295026645 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: to be precise, 1 and 2 have a similar average case (although I think it's faster), but 1 had a completely insane worst case < 1295026652 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was hit in practice fairly often < 1295026706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: here is what inspired me to resume implementing scapegoat, by the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOGmwA5yBn0 < 1295026718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I figured I should get to the point where I can make a video with an EVEN BETTER commit tree. < 1295026757 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is so much resistance to the improvement of programming < 1295026782 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ? < 1295026792 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't you also observe that? < 1295026804 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :juts look at blog posts or reddit or anything like that < 1295026832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you may be correct, but your statement's too vague for me to be sure of what it means < 1295026921 0 :oerjan!oerjan@129.241.210.70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295026985 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel's definition of "improvement of programming" may be quite different from many others'... < 1295027080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that video, incidentally, makes me dislike git < 1295027082 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh *cackle* < 1295027090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't quite realise the implications of its rather basic model < 1295027156 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181137126.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1295027173 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295027180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I improved on your lambdas in C, but completing the implementation requires some cpp hackery that I'm not good enough to do. < 1295027182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, you started disliking git heh < 1295027183 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm actually interested in how Scapegoat works now. < 1295027187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to watch that video < 1295027199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well it's still what I'd use in practice if not darcs, but scapegoat is better. < 1295027225 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hmm, I'm happy to explain it but ask ais523 first; if he wants me to I will, but he gets the first opportunity < 1295027236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you want to explain? < 1295027239 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd better, I'm currently angry (at something unrelated to this channel) < 1295027256 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: do you still think it's hard to combine haskell's IO with the functional parts? (my impression is: it depends on how interactive your IO is) < 1295027258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: More NetBeans students? < 1295027266 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, darcs is quite decent is isn't it? A bit weird and long names for the commands, but the same applies to git ("git st"? nope, "git status", sure sure tab complete, but even so there are more than one thing that tab complete on git st) < 1295027285 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: surprisingly, no < 1295027288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That latter is such a minor complaint that I can't even comprehend it. < 1295027291 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (About git) < 1295027294 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oen thing that sucks is taking a pure code and moving it into a monad... Then again the oenly reason it's such a pain to do is because it /could/ be automated < 1295027308 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well no it isn't a major issue. Just convenience of short commands < 1295027314 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darcs tab-completes just fine on Debian/Ubuntu < 1295027318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darcs is alright, yes. < 1295027356 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using a mixture of darcs and git for things nowadays; git when I have to collaborate with someone else a lot, darcs for personal things < 1295027362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: well turning pure code into monadic requires making a decision about order of actions, which might not be relevant for the pure version < 1295027375 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and git for collaboration with others only because it's more popular so it's easier to persuade them to use it) < 1295027387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK, so, do you know the basics of how git and darcs work? < 1295027399 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Revisions and stuff? < 1295027408 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as i see it that's the same problem as with the interactivity) < 1295027414 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's an incredibly bad description < 1295027418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: err, i can't really explain it then if you don't know the basic model of those two < 1295027420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how they differ < 1295027420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1295027420 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it applies only vaguely to git, and not really to darcs at all < 1295027447 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1295027451 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it is possible to find something corresponding to a revision in darcs, say to port a darcs repo to a different VCS; it's a snapshot of the code as it was at a given time) < 1295027527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've never needed a VCS! < 1295027538 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never bothered learning what the hell they did! < 1295027545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Then I cannot explain scapegoat to you, and nor can anyone else really. < 1295027550 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, other than control revisions.) < 1295027576 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295027633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm, I think I really "get" git now, it's a bit like C in a way, you do everything by hand < 1295027651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what horrifies me is git-rebase < 1295027659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, any recommended reading, then? < 1295027662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and the fact that people actually use it -- regularly < 1295027662 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it horrifies me too, although probably not for the same reason < 1295027668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not really, I don't know what's good to read < 1295027676 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I use it regularly when I use git < 1295027676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: my reason is that THAT SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED EVER < 1295027685 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't really work otherwise < 1295027688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: use it regularly and *recommend it as a Good Thing* < 1295027693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, inherently < 1295027700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gee keep your revision log clean!" < 1295027705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just no. No no no. < 1295027706 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1295027708 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: put it this way, a simple git pull has an implicit rebase if it fast-forwards < 1295027714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You fail at version control. < 1295027719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which is just a flaw in git < 1295027723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really though, it's rewriting history < 1295027728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine how anyone thinks that's a good idea < 1295027741 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because git shows your history as you wish it were, rather than as how it actually was < 1295027786 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your repo starts out the same as someone else's, they make some changes, you pull them, your repos now have different histories, as one pulled the changes in a chunk, the other made them one at a time < 1295027797 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, git actually inherently goes exponential without any sort of rebase < 1295027810 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you have to keep on merging the fact that you're aware of the fact that the other person merged < 1295027816 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, I'm not saying this is a good thing at all < 1295027845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(git disregarding the same change made by two people in parallel I thought was just a detail, it's actually completely essential to the way that git works) < 1295027845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful < 1295027856 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@32.140.30.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295027863 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1295027872 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1295027877 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, has KT-AT stood you up? < 1295027891 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few minutes after I got here, she called to say she missed her bus < 1295027911 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1295027946 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: coding haskell makes me crazy < 1295027958 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to distill every algorithm down to the point where it's just a few combinators put together < 1295027960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything else and I've failed < 1295028006 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (git disregarding the same change made by two people in parallel I thought was just a detail, it's actually completely essential to the way that git works) <-- who gets credited with it then? < 1295028009 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean < 1295028011 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're going to try again tomorrow < 1295028035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm not entirely sure, it might actually be different in the two repos < 1295028049 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because from git's view of the world, it doesn't matter < 1295028102 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undo do { x <- apply c xs; return $ (c1',s1) : (c2',s2) : x } < 1295028102 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply c xs >>= \ x -> return $ (c1', s1) : (c2', s2) : x < 1295028108 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, so the revision id checksum thingy is on the delta, and doesn't include commit message or author? < 1295028110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl apply c xs >>= \ x -> return $ (c1', s1) : (c2', s2) : x < 1295028111 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :([(c1', s1), (c2', s2)] ++) `fmap` apply c xs < 1295028168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "replace SOF with X" is an invalid change, right? < 1295028171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same with s/SOF/EOF/ < 1295028186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: (I'm assuming there's a replace, since having it as a delete+insert causes fake conflicts) < 1295028199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if not, "delete SOF/EOF" is an invalid change, right?) < 1295028269 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((1 :) . (2 :)) [1,2,3] < 1295028271 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,1,2,3] < 1295028440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ais523 just removed SOF. < 1295028702 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm trying the airbase idea now, FWIW. < 1295028711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: On SSP? < 1295028715 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEs. < 1295028719 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Yes. < 1295028719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Towards Dawn did it with tiny platforms. < 1295028736 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not going to be doing that, obviously. < 1295028741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NO < 1295028741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :T < 1295028756 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have enough wood now that I can smelt some coal overnight and get some torches. < 1295028773 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Charcoal is the best thing EVER.) < 1295028839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitwhat. < 1295028839 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1295028843 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wood doesn't burn any more. < 1295028860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, logs do. < 1295028865 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD THING I KEPT SOME < 1295028888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It doesn't? < 1295028891 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1295028896 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1295028899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many logs did you start with? < 1295028902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, wait, planks still burn. < 1295028902 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the wiki, at least. < 1295028908 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a balance thing, but I'll need to check < 1295028968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The furnace isn't working at all. < 1295028969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:04 elliott> @pl apply c xs >>= \ x -> return $ (c1', s1) : (c2', s2) : x < 1295028970 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:04 lambdabot> ([(c1', s1), (c2', s2)] ++) `fmap` apply c xs < 1295028972 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have 26+5 right now, how much more should I get? < 1295028977 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, @pl is that clever now? < 1295028977 0 :SgeoN1!~AndChat@32.140.30.134 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295028987 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know; I think I'll ask someone. < 1295028992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: became: apply c xs >>= \ x -> return $ (c1', s1) : (c2', s2) : x < 1295028994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1295029000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: became | otherwise = (((c1',s1) :) . ((c2',s2) :)) <$> apply c xs < 1295029044 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you didn't use the [...] ++ ? < 1295029055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, because I have ((foo,bar) :) <$> in other cases of the function < 1295029057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this is more consistent < 1295029065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa < 1295029078 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's *wood* which smelts to coal, not *planks*! < 1295029084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think you have a redundant set of parentheses there < 1295029098 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0<$>) < 1295029099 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Data.Functor.<$>' [infixl 4] of a section < 1295029099 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lowe... < 1295029143 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the precedence of . is lower < 1295029150 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, higher < 1295029152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: LAWL < 1295029157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Start a tree farm, btw. < 1295029164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah < 1295029170 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will, I have the dirt and saplings. < 1295029173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 10 cobble enough for the first night? < 1295029200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: basically . has the highest possible precedence, and $ has the lowest < 1295029216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um there is no $ here < 1295029252 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, it's just a general rule i go by < 1295029280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FWIW, how much wood did you start off with? < 1295029293 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it annoyed me that Parsec gave another operator ( iirc) the same precedence as $, in a way that ruined the ability to combine them < 1295029309 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a pretty large amount. < 1295029324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how come everyone else's days seem to last 2398234982349 longer than mine < 1295029328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were quite a few large trees when I found them < 1295029337 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Actually, the night snuck up on me. < 1295029343 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if had reversed its order of arguments and used the same fixity as $, they would have worked seamlessly together without parentheses) < 1295029352 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird. I found smoe new kind of wood but it's still called wood < 1295029357 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was morning when it was evening < 1295029384 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But by that point I had plenty of wood, cobble and dirt, so I just set up the base as night fell. < 1295029389 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, that's a FEATURE! < 1295029397 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are now 3 kinds of tree.) < 1295029397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Prelude has no operators sharing precedence with either . or $ afair < 1295029401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: get a few more cobbles and then go up. < 1295029409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What's the third? < 1295029431 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pine. < 1295029433 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well s/Prelude/\& and Haskell 98 library/ < 1295029434 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1295029447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The cobbles aren't that necessary, I just wanted them for peace of mind.) < 1295029497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The cobbles are required for furnace and also for initial tools. < 1295029506 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nice, I really like this new kind < 1295029506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: For instance a wood sword won't get you very fa. < 1295029507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*far. < 1295029515 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to grow it < 1295029535 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, OK, but you won't need tools once you get up onto your platform for the night. < 1295029543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: But the next day... < 1295029549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 for a furnace is all you really need. < 1295029549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1295029551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PH: < 1295029555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How high did you make your shelter? < 1295029561 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@86.241.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295029565 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1295029566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: make my function prettier! http://sprunge.us/ECZO :P < 1295029567 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I now have a 5x5 tree plantation with 9 saplings! < 1295029574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have 8 saplings. < 1295029576 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 30m off ground. < 1295029577 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ho < 1295029583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Off sea level? < 1295029593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near enough. < 1295029617 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: hm i have a vague idea there was something i wanted to tell you < 1295029649 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan: was it about corewar, programming games or recursion? < 1295029662 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm _possibly_ recursion < 1295029690 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan: or maybe you wanted to join the mob of people angry at me for some dodgy Forth code! < 1295029694 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That creeper is just sitting there. < 1295029694 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i already did tell you, i'm not sure < 1295029696 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mocking me. < 1295029704 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preventing me from returning to the ground. < 1295029705 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: i'm pretty sure it wasn't forth-related < 1295029714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did you use the dirt to be one piece of the floor? < 1295029719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume you made the house itself out of planks < 1295029732 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. < 1295029741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Did you make walls? < 1295029744 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: hm was it something wiki-related... < 1295029748 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. < 1295029751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A ceiling? < 1295029755 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather superfluous, no? < 1295029756 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1295029760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A ceiling? < 1295029764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1295029783 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only 5x5 with an adjoining 5x5 tree farm. < 1295029807 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan: it might have been, I was asking about BF Joust, FYB, pastebin.ca and broken voxel links a few days ago :-P < 1295029829 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: oh BF Joust it was < 1295029840 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: i wanted to suggest you ask in agora < 1295029854 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a gigantic swath of APNIC allocations leaves them below 2.1 /8s. < 1295029855 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's where it was invented < 1295029865 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Did you build a one-high wall to stop you falling out, or are you more hardcore than me? < 1295029872 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, MORE HARDCORE < 1295029881 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is their usual allocation threshold... < 1295029892 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might build a fence, but it might be too much bother if I expand. < 1295029899 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food → < 1295029921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm above water, so I can just jump off if I want. MWAHAHAHAHA < 1295029958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANA depletion estimate: any minute now. < 1295029998 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan: I found what I needed to know thanks... I was adding a brief history to the page on the programming games wiki http://programminggames.org/BF-Joust.ashx < 1295030021 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first crash :( < 1295030043 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back. < 1295030060 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: oh you're Imp... you _do_ have a User:Impomatic too < 1295030060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: One log only produces one coal. < 1295030069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes...? < 1295030095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well it's INEFFICIENT! < 1295030108 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it isn't. < 1295030121 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oerjan: I know, but I forgot the password and I didn't set an email address to recover it :-( < 1295030127 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, it's 5/4 logs to 1 coal. < 1295030132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: APNIC's pool is at 2.01 /8s. Thought you'd like to know. < 1295030147 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ...no it isn't. < 1295030156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, of course, you can use the coal as fuel. < 1295030241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sod it. I am just going to set the difficulty to peaceful for a second and despawn the creepers. < 1295030258 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Source? < 1295030274 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.apnic.net/community/ipv4-exhaustion/graphical-information < 1295030293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Why? < 1295030296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go on to hard. < 1295030309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Question. Can trees grow on the corner of a platform? < 1295030317 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION checks that he has his email set
< 1295030355 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would anyone be interested in an ARobots tournament? http://programminggames.org/ARobots.ashx - basically CROBOTS in 8086 assembly < 1295030385 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I should think so. < 1295030401 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When APNIC only has a total of one /8 left, the final /8 policy will be triggered." -- That's presumably some APNIC-internal policy... < 1295030408 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm just trying to get rid of daytime creepers, which are ridiculously broken gameplay-wise. < 1295030439 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Yeah, that's an allocation policy for dealing with being near RIR depletion. < 1295030479 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For rationing out the very last /8. < 1295030483 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: of course it doesn't actually _matter_ when they allocate, given that no one else is likely to do so. apart from the news/propaganda value. < 1295030536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, slightly more awesome version of the lavalight: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:Ladder-lava-force-field.png < 1295030538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Facepalm. I just placed torches in my tree farm. < 1295030544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: My tree farm that gets sunlight. < 1295030545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv4 depletion is near and I still don't have IPv6 service from my ISP. < 1295030555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, seen. < 1295030576 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same here... < 1295030578 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/ < 1295030591 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1295030626 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT : < 1295030669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What should I do with my SEXY BLACK WOOL < 1295030764 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, pretend it's obsidian? < 1295030767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Since my abandonment of RCS in favor of hg has caused comex to start < 1295030767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tracking the ruleset again, I resign as Rulekeepor." < 1295030814 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1295030889 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to APNIC extended delegated file, they have 33 608 704 IPs available (2.003 blocks) < 1295030907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THESE TREES IN'T GROWING < 1295031010 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lagerholm estimated that the request will be sent on monday and takes few days to process, officially depleting the pool on wednesday or thursday... < 1295031012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Make the trees grow. < 1295031013 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, agora? (wrt that quote) < 1295031017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1295031037 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, get some bonemeal? < 1295031037 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295031043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, depleeting what pool? < 1295031044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How does that help? < 1295031047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *depleting < 1295031048 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IANA IPv4. < 1295031056 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari, the global one!? < 1295031061 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes ... < 1295031061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so soon? < 1295031063 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1295031080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it'll be a few months before we see the effects. < 1295031088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then allocation really spiked the last week or two < 1295031092 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed I know that < 1295031110 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bonemeal makes trees and crops grow instantly. < 1295031110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How does bonemeal help? < 1295031113 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, APNIC had some massive allocation requests recently. < 1295031113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does?? < 1295031115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get it again? < 1295031128 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295031138 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, ah < 1295031167 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, bonemeal makes trees and crops grow instantly. <-- really? How do you apply it then < 1295031182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before or after I mean < 1295031191 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(planting) < 1295031191 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, right-click, I assume. < 1295031198 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, find bone. Craft bone. < 1295031204 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, and you claimed it makes that blue stuff. How? < 1295031205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: How find bone. < 1295031205 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bones are dropped by skeletons. < 1295031210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Secret. < 1295031218 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it a bug or not? < 1295031220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's called lapis lazuli. < 1295031233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, find skeleton. Kill skeleton. < 1295031245 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately: find skeleton. Wait 'till skeleton goes on fire. < 1295031246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have no armour. That sounds scary. < 1295031250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds easier. < 1295031289 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1295031293 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, just asking about that bonemeal -> lapis lazuli: is it done by making use of a bug or is it intended? < 1295031312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is HHI secret. < 1295031321 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food → < 1295031325 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can answer if it is a bug or not without problems however. < 1295031333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course. But we won't. < 1295031336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT TREES, GROW < 1295031340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP BEING HAPPY, COWS < 1295031342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY TREES AREN'T GROWING < 1295031352 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can't see how it helps me if I knew if it was due to a bug or not < 1295031356 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, why is it a secret < 1295031393 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it on youtube < 1295031401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The terrain generator's improvements are wonderful. < 1295031414 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, will it result in an edge towards current terrain? < 1295031423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlikely, I don't think it's new. < 1295031425 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just tweaked. < 1295031443 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take a look at this: http://i.imgur.com/IVrIw.png < 1295031448 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how far it goes. < 1295031475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I seen similar things before < 1295031485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biomes are still too tiny though. < 1295031591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the cobble texture has been changed. < 1295031594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1295031601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The top of furnaces are now not the same as stone. :/ < 1295031641 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it has been fixed (the bonemeal thingy) in the update today it seems. At least according to reddit. < 1295031650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lies. < 1295031671 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm okay. < 1295031715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :INCIDENTALLY < 1295031719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeb made this: http://i.imgur.com/a7uht.png < 1295031733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note how this update, which is cool and seems to have added almost no bugs, was made almost entirely by Jeb. < 1295031753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also increases performance by including the code improvements of a (supposedly frowned-upon) modder. < 1295031761 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1295031763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should all pray that Notch decides to retire immediately. < 1295031767 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiosity cam http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl#&utm_source=498663 < 1295031771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And leaves Minecraft to Jeb. < 1295031789 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, notch had decent ideas though. < 1295031797 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just poor at implementing them < 1295031799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he should never be allowed near code. Ever. < 1295031807 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that I can agree on < 1295031815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think Notch ran out of ideas. < 1295031822 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before this Jeb update, the game had been much the same for ages. < 1295031839 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1295031876 0 :hiato!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: underflow < 1295031954 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1295032010 0 :hiato!~nine@clam.leg.uct.ac.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1295032031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Phantom_Hoover: "Possbly due to an error, when Beta 1.2 came out trees that had already been created were re-created often with the same shape but more than one type of leaves, often all three." < 1295032040 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1295032068 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it this bug: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K7BGI2Jq8E < 1295032077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HHI is silent. < 1295032087 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if it is then it is already out in the open < 1295032088 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1295032102 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, where did you *think* we got it from? < 1295032106 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wow! < 1295032117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Not there at least. < 1295032121 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, it was a bug which has been fixed. < 1295032124 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've seen a tree with two leaves < 1295032128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But HHI still has the power. < 1295032131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: :D < 1295032133 0 :acetoline!~acetoline@125-237-12-196.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1295032133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, I got it from /r/minecraft, but anyway... < 1295032135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well you could have found it yourself? < 1295032140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Right, but we have the btter way. < 1295032149 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that way. < 1295032151 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, we do. < 1295032162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, found another way yourself? heh nice < 1295032165 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bone meal is white dye. Why. < 1295032171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wool is already white! < 1295032202 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, you can combine it with coloured dyes to make light colour < 1295032210 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they combine? Neat. < 1295032236 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you make dye in the first place? < 1295032243 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen anything like lapis lazuli in the wild < 1295032244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG YOU CAN PAINT SHEEP < 1295032246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: various ways < 1295032248 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, various sources. < 1295032251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: lapis lazuli is ore, near redstone < 1295032251 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, j-invariant: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Wool_Dyes < 1295032257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1295032258 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : OMG YOU CAN PAINT SHEEP <-- old < 1295032263 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard that yesterday < 1295032263 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't care < 1295032265 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :youcan paint sheep < 1295032269 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OLD < 1295032276 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this has been known since yesterday < 1295032276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can paint sheep < 1295032278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't care < 1295032279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can paint sheep < 1295032283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Haskell is too elegant to easily read < 1295032296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wat < 1295032299 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the accusations people make against Perl, except actually warranted < 1295032305 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, correct. But if you think that is the most important thing to repeat... sure go ahead < 1295032306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not...really < 1295032308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find Haskell easy to read < 1295032310 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wrong way 'round. < 1295032312 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just says too much in too little a piece of code < 1295032324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's _slower_ to read, but you have _less_ to read. < 1295032327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not more difficult. < 1295032328 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is needlessly hard to read, while Haskell is actually terse for a reason. < 1295032332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's just more compact. < 1295032345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle tsort < 1295032346 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1295032349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle topological < 1295032350 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1295032462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: How resource-intensive is blowing up a 128x128x127 cube of TNT? < 1295032481 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Extremely._ < 1295032491 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I find that Haskell is easy to read except when people are being *too* clever. < 1295032494 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Servers have broken on me with *8* TNT. < 1295032507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: WELL I WANT TO DO IT < 1295032513 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The problem is, of course, is that some people are far too clever. < 1295032518 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go ahead, but your computer will die. < 1295032523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: World editing plugin to clear 128x128x128 plus a bit, and then fill 128x128x127 with TNT, and detonate it. < 1295032528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come back a few hours later with tea, observe destruction. < 1295032531 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNT is a lot to use one a server < 1295032535 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on < 1295032536 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Perl, on the other hand, is hard to read except when people are being careful. < 1295032549 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, servers do actually crash with less TNT than that. < 1295032560 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, it may just be that I find a monad-pipeline pretty clear. < 1295032566 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love parsec < 1295032572 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's beauty < 1295032574 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have had entire worlds corrupted. < 1295032585 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, by the way < 1295032586 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :siunitx < 1295032590 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is like the greatest package ever < 1295032604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, it just occurred to me that there's probably a way to turn any container into an equivalent change structure < 1295032611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: as in, lists -> file changes; sets -> directory changes < 1295032611 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Oh? < 1295032630 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: TeX package that does unit formatting for you < 1295032646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delish. < 1295032663 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :G = \SI{6.67e-11}{\meter\cubed\per\kilogram\per\second\squared} < 1295032668 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit verbose, but very legible < 1295032679 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the verbosity is optional iirc < 1295032683 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295032683 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: How resource-intensive is blowing up a 128x128x127 cube of TNT? <-- in what? < 1295032685 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I remember what put me off Chrome. < 1295032689 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No adblock. < 1295032689 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Um, Minecraft? < 1295032690 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, CPU? Memory? < 1295032693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything. < 1295032697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Um, it has extensions. < 1295032701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And AdBlock. < 1295032701 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, or do you mean in number of TNT required < 1295032704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Former. < 1295032712 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaaaaaay! < 1295032716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, what's the rough algorithm for turning a set of scapegoat changes into a graph so that it can be topologically sorted? < 1295032767 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have no idea. But even something like a few hundred TNT could crash the server. Though iirc with 1.2 TNT was optimised a bit. Still I expect enough TNT will cause issues. No idea where the limit is. < 1295032839 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an awesome package < 1295032946 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here's a tip; If you use shift to walk near the edge of a thing... even if you've stopped moving, letting go can make you fall < 1295032962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: obviously :P < 1295032967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can walk off the edge of a lock with sneaking < 1295032973 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*block < 1295032977 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no you can't < 1295032979 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you can < 1295032985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see it on multiplayer < 1295032989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :people off the edge of blocks while sneaking < 1295032991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave go, fall down < 1295033021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you lock sneaking on, BtW? < 1295033026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you don't. < 1295033137 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a very good source of health? < 1295033146 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, pigs, wheat, fish. < 1295033153 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing all the pigs is hard, oh I will try fishing! < 1295033163 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll need string. < 1295033180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Set up a farm. < 1295033187 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For wheat. < 1295033192 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1295033395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm interesting: "This same principal applies to combining string to form a wool block and grabbing it with a dyed wool block!" < 1295033398 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a hoe first. < 1295033400 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I guess that is it :) < 1295033413 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or have you found a third way? < 1295033413 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, that bug is also fixed. < 1295033461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphFromEdges :: Ord key => [(node, key, [key])] -> (Graph, Vertex -> (node, key, [key]), key -> Maybe Vertex) < 1295033462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mrf, how stupid. < 1295033468 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are actually both the same bug. < 1295033475 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm < 1295033480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you make up the Graph monad. < 1295033488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1295033506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so you have a third bug then? < 1295033527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could not possibly comment. < 1295033553 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, dude this reveals nothing :P < 1295033562 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw the fishing line can't stretch infinitely far < 1295033576 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and I was asking Phantom_Hoover not you < 1295033605 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, did you plan something that needed that? < 1295033685 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no < 1295033703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/46k5O.png Redstone over Radio < 1295033724 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that true :D < 1295033734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: It's just an idea, of which there are billions. < 1295033736 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT'S A GOOD ONE < 1295033741 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a decent one yes < 1295033746 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why a hide? < 1295033755 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think minecraft should have a system for adding new things like this to it, since everyone has their own ideas < 1295033765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you want oklopol's game < 1295033766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: vibrations < 1295033768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ear < 1295033773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's like drum material < 1295033775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eardrum type stuff < 1295033779 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it? < 1295033782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: where every block has its own program in it < 1295033786 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, arguably that would be better for the music blocks instead < 1295033796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: and you play by programming blocks to be bots that mine for you and shit < 1295033809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: do you know what the eardrum is ... < 1295033811 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a real game? < 1295033815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound -> hide part vibrates -> stuff < 1295033817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: well he's working on it < 1295033819 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yes, but do you know what a speaker is? < 1295033824 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1295033827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes. < 1295033844 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh speaker could use paper there I guess < 1295033854 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most speaker membranes are paper afaik < 1295033860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? xD < 1295033876 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, never took apart a loudspeaker? < 1295033883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1295033886 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to get around to trying out that computer level < 1295033893 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried anyone elese minecraft worlds yeet < 1295033904 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, paper is very common as the membrane. I can't promise that every speaker use it but all the ones I took apart have < 1295033915 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : really? xD ← ...yes? < 1295033928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i see a market for audiophiles < 1295033933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PURE GOLD PAPER MEMBRANE < 1295033956 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:3.5_Inch_Speaker.jpg the black is rather thick paper < 1295033988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you meant paper-paper. < 1295033997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, actual writing-style paper paper. < 1295034017 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no. < 1295034018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: < 1295034019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can hook a dispenser up to redstone, have the dispenser shoot an arrow at a wall of paintings with pressure plates underneath. The arrow knocks off the painting which hits a pressure plate and causes a continuation of the circuit. < 1295034019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WIRELESS REDSTONE! < 1295034020 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The diaphragm is usually manufactured with a cone- or dome-shaped profile. A variety of different materials may be used, but the most common are paper, plastic, and metal." < 1295034024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HHI Research must do this. < 1295034037 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, this has been done in the craftbook mod < 1295034042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care. < 1295034056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HHI Research will use it to blow up TNT, which will be an innovation. < 1295034063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The test will take place underneath Mount Vorpal, a very secure location. < 1295034076 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you find that thing about the painting yourself? < 1295034082 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295034084 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, as if... < 1295034096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Ctrl+V'd, which is obvious. < 1295034107 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no quotes around it < 1295034113 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was wondering < 1295034113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes < 1295034122 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why would it be that bad? < 1295034128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OH GOD SPIDERS CLIMBING WALLS WAS A PLAYER SUGGESTION WHY < 1295034132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ? < 1295034138 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : HHI Research will use it to blow up TNT, which will be an innovation. ← I feel that we need some other innovations. < 1295034144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNT-related innovations? < 1295034145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree < 1295034147 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*agree. < 1295034149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, "oh noes" <-- why would forgetting quotes be that bad < 1295034155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ITT sarcasm < 1295034174 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hooked a creeper and pulled him towards me X) < 1295034209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: stupidest thing to do ever :D < 1295034213 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I don't see the invention in using this thing someone else did. Not saying using it is a bad idea at mt hoover or at the cube. But calling it innovation seems a bit wrong :P < 1295034221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *mt vorpal < 1295034225 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no < 1295034241 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :herlo < 1295034250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://foone.org/minecraft/death/ < 1295034258 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no money < 1295034260 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to minecraft < 1295034269 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone buy minecraft! < 1295034294 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater99, ask elliott for that link that notch left wide open due to incompetence (if it still works?) < 1295034306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't service cheater99. < 1295034306 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: PLZ~ < 1295034315 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cheater98 < 1295034319 0 :cheater98!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: PLZ~ < 1295034333 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right. I guess it is a HHI secret? < 1295034341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, cheater98 is just a twat. < 1295034348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone else want Minecraft? < 1295034350 0 :cheater98!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1295034369 0 :cheater98!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :chelliott < 1295034373 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :me! < 1295034401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link? Wide open? < 1295034418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, anyone can download minecraft.jar. < 1295034427 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1295034430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has S3 authentication tokens and whatnot set up but doesn't actually, you know, require them; you can just download the file. < 1295034435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, I mean, as in, bin/minecraft.jar. < 1295034445 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, Notch's incompetence lets anyone pirate the game direct from Mojang. < 1295034454 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you download it can you play on public servers? < 1295034469 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Consider myself curious. < 1295034471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes, I know. < 1295034488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott: no. < 1295034493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also, I knew those chickens were up to something. < 1295034497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will always require purchase due to Mojang's DRM system. < 1295034512 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRM? < 1295034529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: /msg < 1295034531 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mojang? < 1295034539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: The servers check with minecraft.net to see if you're authenticated and purchased. < 1295034546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no actual way around that other than the server being modded. < 1295034562 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what server do you guys play on? < 1295034563 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :public? < 1295034570 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or private/modded? < 1295034572 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, not for you. < 1295034577 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O M G < 1295034648 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :( * chelliott pretends to care so that Phantom_Hoover and elliott actually think he's interested in playing minecraft with them, in order to do some "bonding", but doesn't really care deep down) < 1295034691 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott: they are very secetritve < 1295034711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Everyone knows our server, it's just that ineiros is technically the only person allowed to tell anyone and he's been away :P < 1295034713 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1295034719 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know it < 1295034727 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: because you haven't bugged ineiros while he's been online. < 1295034745 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, you could find it in logs < 1295034754 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: right < 1295034760 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but then, i don't get server :( < 1295034762 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I might ask him because I want to see "The Cube" < 1295034763 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, grep them for http://.*minecraft.* < 1295034769 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, tough shit < 1295034789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: It's, er, very under-construction. < 1295034791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, iirc s3.amazon.com or whatever they call their service < 1295034797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Don't fucking tell him. < 1295034811 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well you could start acting decently towards me < 1295034814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess as long as he doesn't find the server it's okay. < 1295034819 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, then I might care more for what you say < 1295034819 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i am going to cry my eyes out and then curl up in an embrional position, bobbing back and forth, until the exhaustion makes me fall asleep. < 1295034840 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always wanted to see what it would be like to climb Mt. Vorpal :( < 1295034844 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is never to be.. < 1295034848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh fuck off. < 1295034857 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1295034862 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, you can do single player. For multiplayer you obviously need to buy the game < 1295034881 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't you guys have a hacked multiplayer server? < 1295034885 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, anyway you can find the urls in the logs if you care for single player < 1295034889 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, no. not hacked < 1295034890 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sounds like a fairly simple thing to do in fact < 1295034902 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just intercept the requests, no? < 1295034905 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cube? the movie? < 1295034913 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a mc thing < 1295034947 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway, when do you plan to start acting decently towards me? Do you expect something for nothing? < 1295034955 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he does < 1295034959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::indignant: < 1295034959 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i bet they're not even encrypted? < 1295034961 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott? the female portal-shooting equivalent of ehird? < 1295034971 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, what? < 1295034980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: cheater being a moron. < 1295034982 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: those call-homes < 1295034984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott: ineiros doesn't want non-purchasers on the server. < 1295034989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott: So that will never, ever happen. < 1295034999 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not talking to u < 1295035007 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, what elliott said is true here < 1295035011 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ahh ok < 1295035025 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, you are right I guess. < 1295035026 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: but if someone were to set up a server, they could intercept it like that, right? < 1295035036 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, I don't see why you need to do that < 1295035036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could just use a mod that disables it ... < 1295035038 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug* < 1295035048 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so that people without a bought mc can also play < 1295035057 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, ... read again please :P < 1295035068 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, and then read what elliott just said < 1295035072 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm sorry, i'm a bit lost < 1295035083 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry, i mostly don't read what elliott says < 1295035084 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott, no need to intercept. Just mod. < 1295035090 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha < 1295035103 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, sorry, i mostly don't read what elliott says <-- sounds like a good idea in fact. < 1295035110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: BTW, the S3 downloads don't work; you need to log in once before you can play. < 1295035123 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? didn't they work before? < 1295035127 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: we should set up a mega secret server then! < 1295035128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1295035155 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1295035162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you said they worked before? Anyway I believe faking a login is rather trivial. < 1295035172 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the decompiled launcher < 1295035173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the enemy of your enemy is not your friend here. < 1295035186 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just mod it. < 1295035188 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm? < 1295035190 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting rid of cheater is in everyone's interest. < 1295035194 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, when did I claim it was. < 1295035208 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, do not engage with him. At all. < 1295035221 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well then, why not ask a channel op about him? < 1295035282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he manages to avoid outright trolling enough of the time that he goes under the radar. < 1295035289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, ops never do anything apart from kick shutup < 1295035307 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, they kickbanned spambots I know :P < 1295035328 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, that is what you said < 1295035329 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1295035334 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm. The something for nothing thing applies to you too < 1295035351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1295035373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Someone I don't like is saying these things, therefore the fact that they can reasonably demonstrate that the actions they recommend are in the channel's best interest are things I should NOT do, because I must prove that I am at least as childish as the people I call that!" < 1295035381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're well on your way, keep up the good work. < 1295035385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, see scrollback around last like coppro spoke < 1295035434 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"therefore the fact that they can reasonably demonstrate that the actions they recommend are in the channel's best interest" <-- so demonstrate it < 1295035484 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what I'm saying here is closer to "I don't trust your judgement. < 1295035486 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1295035499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater has repeatedly demonstrated that not only does he have no interest or knowledge of esolangs, < 1295035518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he has repeatedly acted superior and idiotic to many people in this channel on many, many occasions, while having contributed not one iota of positive discussion to it. < 1295035538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That he is an idiot can be trivially verified by reading the logs; that he annoys people who are not can be verified the same. < 1295035551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :All he does is waste people's time. < 1295035573 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough on those points. < 1295035578 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott: you should change your name back then < 1295035602 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As such, you should ignore him and starve him of the attention he so desperately craves. < 1295035622 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1295035639 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brawndo! It's got what plants crave! < 1295035684 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have demonstrated i have no interest in knowing esolangs? < 1295035693 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you been drinking cillit bang again? < 1295035711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't really talked about esolangs once (you talked about Clue once, but then you started spinning some bullshit about it being a good business idea to oklopol or something). < 1295035721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also have no wiki presence < 1295035721 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you're the kid here talking about computer games and ubuntu and mac laptops all the time < 1295035726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*presence. < 1295035727 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1295035737 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so no one is on topic very much < 1295035737 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott: I have repeatedly demonstrated that I have an interest in and knowledge of esolangs in the past. < 1295035738 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've got another one of elliott's attacks, everyone take cover < 1295035739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have not. < 1295035746 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we please have the restraining jacket < 1295035748 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fuck off. < 1295035755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are an utter twat. < 1295035761 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you forgot to run out and slam the door. < 1295035772 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFS, I am putting him on ignore. elliott, I will put you on ignore as well if you keep on engaging with him. < 1295035774 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scream "no one understands me" < 1295035783 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and you are socially incompetent < 1295035786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He's on to me, I'd better try and change the topic by being an idiot!" < 1295035794 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why don't you change you rname back? < 1295035798 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chelliott: I mean < 1295035800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: OK, where the fuck did you get that from? < 1295035806 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: oh right, well, i forgot about it < 1295035818 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, from observing your general behaviour towards me and coppro for example. < 1295035820 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: then i read your comment, and then i read elliott's mental diarrhea, and had to reply to that first < 1295035821 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's chelliott? < 1295035827 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1295035828 0 :chelliott!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :cheater777 < 1295035832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, cheater. Do not talk to him. < 1295035839 0 :cheater777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go j-invariant < 1295035839 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I hope you can stop fighting because I think it's upsetting elliot < 1295035848 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not upset. < 1295035849 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, coppro is reasonably intelligent and he is interested in esolangs afaik < 1295035853 0 :cheater777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you've mixed up cause and effect < 1295035856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I not yell at someone without it being construed as upset? < 1295035862 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: coppro is the one who has me on ignore. < 1295035866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have him on ignore. < 1295035873 0 :cheater777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: coppro != cheater777 < 1295035874 0 :cheater777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1295035877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been rude to him lately because he keeps being a jerk mentioning how I'm on ignore all the time. < 1295035881 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater777, indeed, did I claim so? < 1295035881 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get RSS feeds on Chrome? < 1295035898 0 :cheater777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: just saying, it's a common typo. < 1295035914 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. And now you are being annoying. < 1295035922 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My toes hurt < 1295035938 0 :cheater777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i think if you go to a page which has an rss feed you get an icon on the address bar... but i hadn't used chrome in ages now < 1295035939 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well how comes he ignored you? < 1295035953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Ask him. < 1295035955 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1295035957 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I seem to remember there was indeed a very good reason < 1295035959 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^distracting everyone from the war so they can talk about my liveblkgging nonsense < 1295035966 0 :cheater777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i'm not being annoying, i just thought you were talking about me and made a typo, just like j-invariant a couple minutes earlier. what's so annoying about that? < 1295035975 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I was there, it was a rhetorical question. < 1295035986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Enjoy your regular whine-about-elliott rant alone. < 1295035998 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, as a sign of how desperate I am, please start liveblogging to your full capacity. < 1295036010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? I don't really enjoy this discussion. And it is no rant. < 1295036028 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, LIVEBLOG < 1295036031 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on my second to.last bus < 1295036057 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm upset that I didn't see her today, butthrilldd for tomorrow < 1295036065 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still if you can't be decent towards me, then don't expect me to listen to your pleas < 1295036074 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hands are to cold to.type properly in this phone < 1295036092 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, can't you type with gloves on? < 1295036102 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1 is actually dying of cold somewhere in the frigid wastes of New York. < 1295036116 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, the. Us is warm, but my hands are still stiff < 1295036139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US is warm indeed. < 1295036144 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. The Us < 1295036147 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, yes I'm sure parts of US is warm. Like Hawaii. But I suspect Alaska is rather cold. < 1295036155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the average temperature is < 1295036198 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe tomorrow I'll see her for more than the 1.5 hours I thought I'd see her today < 1295036199 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1295036200 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokoko < 1295036203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokoko < 1295036204 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokoko < 1295036206 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1295036209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my 2 cents < 1295036209 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oko! < 1295036222 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope i didn't interrupt anything important < 1295036233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, indeed you didn't < 1295036235 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be embarrassing < 1295036241 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay good < 1295036305 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My toes ads still in pain < 1295036334 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every period, when courses start, i have this really hard time doing homework because i'm afraid i just can't do it anymore < 1295036342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i've gotten old, and can't math anymore < 1295036350 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, things got so bad I had to get Sgeo to liveblog. < 1295036368 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: they give you homework that actualyl requires thinking? wow < 1295036370 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I doubt that. How old are you? < 1295036404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm err < 1295036407 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck do i know < 1295036408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295036411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1295036411 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 < 1295036415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 21 < 1295036421 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck... < 1295036422 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, it is very unlikely to happen until you are at least 40 I bet. And even then unlikely for many years < 1295036423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me calculate < 1295036436 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-173-37.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295036436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011 - 1989, so that means i turn 22 this year < 1295036439 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, anyway if you are around 20-25 then you are not getting too old yet < 1295036441 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm 21 < 1295036458 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, hey we are equally old (excluding month and day I guess) < 1295036461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but what if i've just gotten totally rusty at math < 1295036472 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm same age < 1295036474 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, did you just finish a course with math? < 1295036475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when do you turn 22? < 1295036479 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, get some WD-40 on those brain cells. < 1295036482 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :May < 1295036483 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, December < 1295036484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, i had an exam on monday < 1295036494 0 :cheater777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sweet 22! < 1295036496 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, then you are unlikely to be rusty already < 1295036500 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1, yes, but you have allowed your development to be retarded to the extent that you are effectively 14. < 1295036506 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, a year without math, then maybe < 1295036523 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, be fair. 15 < 1295036529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, have a little croft in some hinterlands. < 1295036532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how to make xchat ignore mentions of a name? < 1295036550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: As an ex-14-year-old, I take offence. < 1295036551 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you could use the python or perl scripting plugin < 1295036553 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION discovers that "hinterland" does not actually mean what he thought it meant.
< 1295036569 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what did you think it meant? < 1295036573 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that's clearly because you are an immature and stupid 15-year-old. < 1295036575 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hunter2land < 1295036579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: INDEED < 1295036583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I smell funny too. < 1295036602 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no understanding of the deeper meaning of things, unlike those of us who are fortunate enough to have the wisdom of age. < 1295036605 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is also homo and a nigger < 1295036610 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1295036614 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a fag no less < 1295036615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a homo fag < 1295036619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :additionally a kike < 1295036620 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, OK, a croft in the highlands. < 1295036649 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so what did you think "hinterland" meant? < 1295036667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :backland < 1295036668 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Middle of nowhere". < 1295036699 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm I thought that too. In a somewhat negative sense. < 1295036712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what do you mean? < 1295036717 0 :cheater777!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard elliott programs in php < 1295036720 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean have one < 1295036730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, huh: "The hinterland is the land or district behind the borders of a coast or river. Specifically, by the doctrine of the hinterland, the word is applied to the inland region lying behind a port, claimed by the state that owns the coast. ..." < 1295036733 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, get one. < 1295036735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb -> < 1295036738 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will < 1295036738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grow stuff. Eat it. < 1295036746 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, food < 1295036779 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is, admittedly, not the standard location for crofting, but I am assuming that it's sufficiently similar to the Highlands to be used for the purpose. < 1295036821 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You have no understanding of the deeper meaning of things, unlike those of us who are fortunate enough to have the wisdom of age. <-- wait, aren't you younger than elliott even? < 1295036832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, where did you get that idea from? < 1295036837 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, from elliott iirc. < 1295036841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am far older and more mature than elliott. < 1295036850 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, more mature, I don't dispute that < 1295036855 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly that lie is just his vast immaturity showing through. < 1295036858 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover must be at least 20 < 1295036865 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might even be 23 < 1295036865 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1295036876 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW OLD ARE YOU PH < 1295036883 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, recommended reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crofting < 1295036884 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, no I don't think so. Could be older than elliott yes. < 1295036928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah maybe closer to 20 < 1295036938 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, more like 16-20 < 1295036942 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm < 1295036947 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph: age? < 1295036954 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but yeah I thought elliott said you were 12 or 13? < 1295036955 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :15^W16. < 1295036970 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason for my guess was the similarity to pikhq < 1295036976 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know where i get that from < 1295036987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ph is actually 7 < 1295036993 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise i might've guessed he's overcompensating for his age < 1295036994 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, there was a complicated accident with a relativistic spaceship and I aged 3 years. < 1295037009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by being careful about what he says < 1295037010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like me < 1295037034 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually think a penis hours about what i'm gonna say before hand < 1295037054 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was pretty obvious that I was less than 18, what with me mentioning school all the time < 1295037071 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i don't actually listen to the *content* < 1295037079 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, ah < 1295037080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read the tone of voice of all you < 1295037083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppl < 1295037095 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, tone of voice over IRC? :D < 1295037110 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you know, punctuation < 1295037117 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1295037127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of that Pratchett character who pronounced brackets. < 1295037141 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i see, dots and uppercase vs lowercase < 1295037160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, http://www.crofting.org/ < 1295037166 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm yes. What was his name? And which book was it? < 1295037168 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: complaints about immaturity are _always_ hypocritical. no exceptions. < 1295037169 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you must start the Finnish crofting foundation. < 1295037186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, Kirsty from the Johnny Maxwell series. < 1295037186 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maturity is a silly concept < 1295037195 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not in cheese! < 1295037200 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when said as joke. < 1295037201 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh I thought it happened in Discworld too? < 1295037205 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a joke. < 1295037230 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, some lawyer or something? Probably wee free men or such? < 1295037231 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: above comment is hypocritical. < 1295037257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I got topographic sorting of changes working, at least < 1295037280 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: topographic sorting is trivial, please try to grow up. < 1295037288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: xD < 1295037297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't actually impl the topographic sorting, just got it working on this structure :p < 1295037297 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use a fucking php function script kiddo < 1295037306 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol@ implication that php has tsort < 1295037309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295037313 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :too complicated to implement! < 1295037316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1295037319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/cGcj pretty this please < 1295037337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish haskell let me do "f x x" for "f x x' | x == x'" :( < 1295037342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't checked this, but i imagine from the millions of php functions, you can actually never find any algorithms you need for your basic stuff < 1295037344 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah same < 1295037371 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're doing something stupid like web stuff < 1295037390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oklotalk lets you do that < 1295037414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1295037419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: impl http://sprunge.us/cGcj in oklotalk please < 1295037443 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I want to know how Scapegoat works. Please give me basic direction on where to look for Git help. < 1295037456 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i dunno, ask ais523 < 1295037459 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's good at answers < 1295037493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, where do I look for Git help? < 1295037495 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when where the three differen types of tree introduced? < 1295037498 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that very recent? < 1295037502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, yesterday. < 1295037506 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah!! < 1295037518 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the minecraft world is not all generated when you start a new game < 1295037529 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not. < 1295037535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Considering it's practically infinite, of course not :P < 1295037536 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you seriously think it was? < 1295037541 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's LAZILY EVALUATED. < 1295037550 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it wasn't: This proves it < 1295037555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that sometimes the function changes half-way through evaluation and you get biome discontinuities! < 1295037560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: It has been proved much earlier. < 1295037566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ALSO, all trees regenerated with the update. < 1295037566 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by someone else < 1295037573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally you wouldn't see the new type. < 1295037577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until venturing out into new terrain. < 1295037583 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did go to new terrain < 1295037622 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "Combinatorial Algorithms" any good? (Donald Knuth) < 1295037646 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's knuth so probably? < 1295037649 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1295037714 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# 7.9. Herculean tasks (aka NP-hard problems) < 1295037716 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good < 1295037798 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RAjfNdZ0hw NOTHIN' TO REPORT TODAY JUUUUUUUD < 1295037864 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF lol < 1295037887 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I already linked to that. < 1295037904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, your mother. < 1295037919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/eS9fx.jpg BEST EVER < 1295037920 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001f5b00390f-CM001e6b2335dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295037940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BTW, I will never forgive Jeb for taking up bluestone for lapis POOPLI. < 1295037972 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lapis lazuli" is objectively the coolest name for anything ever. < 1295037983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I want there to be some secret conspiracy where you can make a portal out of Lapis Lazuli blocks and get into heaven." < 1295037993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Heaven portals. Fuckin' DISCUSS. < 1295038015 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when you go there, there's a Jesus mob. < 1295038025 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's all made of cloudstone. < 1295038025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1295038031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloudstone YES < 1295038040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sand falls, but cloudstone RISES. < 1295038050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to put stuff above it to stop it going above level 127 and evaporating. < 1295038054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Canon: It becomes cloud.) < 1295038070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Putting cloudstone below sand makes an explosion, naturally. < 1295038074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: (Or just swaps them.) < 1295038102 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1295038109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/f20n0/efficiency_of_making_coal_instead_of_mining_coal/ < 1295038109 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :help :( < 1295038110 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: < 1295038112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ? < 1295038159 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the CPU level for minecraft is a whole load of .dat files, but in ~/.minecraft/saves it's all categorized into folders < 1295038166 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a version mismatch < 1295038182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you have to put it in a world directory < 1295038183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1295038185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :World[12345] < 1295038189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :use an unused one < 1295038190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1295038207 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eah but World1 has folders like 0,1,1c etc < 1295038209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: or do you mean the 0/ 1/ 1c/ etc. folders? < 1295038212 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1295038215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: put the dat files in anyway, i think it'll auto-convert < 1295038216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you load it < 1295038223 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay ill try it < 1295038348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have individual change application and changeset application, what do you suggest I add next? I already have merging, right? since it's based into change application < 1295038362 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you might want some more @'s in apply to share the tuples from the original line. also .Set.map needs a space after the . < 1295038393 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no, it doesn't, actually < 1295038397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but good catch, it should have one < 1295038407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, OK, I'll add more @s < 1295038409 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it's quite ugly :( < 1295038413 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"needs" in the pretty sense here < 1295038471 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u350uod6Xzo < 1295038475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well alas i don't know how to solve your ugly =='s problem < 1295038481 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrow trap, but on FIRE. < 1295038516 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm, server hasn't been updated or anything? < 1295038516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/HIHO it's better now, thanks, but apply is still pretty ugly < 1295038526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: indeed < 1295038536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the ==s aren't even the ugliest part, probably < 1295038537 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, just heard something about some new stuff < 1295038551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's just that every case is very very similar < 1295038558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and it irritates me that i can't fix the duplication < 1295038576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Dear god. Do they ... hurt more like that? < 1295038581 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1295038590 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no functional difference. < 1295038594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm still scared. Especially because of the door opening. < 1295038604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like, HI I NOTICED YOU, SO TAKE A LOOK AT HELL. < 1295038611 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1295038632 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle foldrM < 1295038633 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable foldrM :: (Foldable t, Monad m) => (a -> b -> m b) -> b -> t a -> m b < 1295038638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it exists, yay < 1295038654 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a->b-> m b) -> b -> [a] -> m b < 1295038655 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable foldrM :: (Foldable t, Monad m) => (a -> b -> m b) -> b -> t a -> m b < 1295038655 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad zipWithM_ :: Monad m => (a -> b -> m c) -> [a] -> [b] -> m () < 1295038655 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad foldM :: Monad m => (a -> b -> m a) -> a -> [b] -> m a < 1295038721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is my ordering function inefficient? I use the changes themselves as the keys < 1295038723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems wonky < 1295038730 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah this is crap < 1295038735 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can#t load the CPU level < 1295038770 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least I managed not to destroy my own saved game < 1295038813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zip [0..] [1,2,3,4] < 1295038815 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,1),(1,2),(2,3),(3,4)] < 1295038821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll use that for the keys i guess < 1295039027 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if anyone plays in WorldForge
< 1295039053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ugh, I can't use integers as the keys, because deps returns [Change] < 1295039060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and changes don't know about their list indices obviously < 1295039094 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://worldforge.org/dev/metaserver < 1295039102 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's 21 clients on one of the servers < 1295039218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1295039220 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm not one to ask about efficiency optimization < 1295039256 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mushrooms cannot be grown? < 1295039263 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks I was going to grow some < 1295039299 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they can < 1295039312 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: interesting i think most of your apply guards are equivalent to deps c `isPrefixOf` map fst line < 1295039399 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lines < 1295039560 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: i don't think so, i just happened to read a reddit mc thread in which allowing mushroom farming was suggested < 1295039579 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(browsing r/all) < 1295039609 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295039688 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pointed out that allowing this would make some other foods essentially useless < 1295040158 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there was a way to sleep < 1295040174 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft: More than 500 sold <-- WTF??? < 1295040186 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it would be in the trillions by now < 1295040257 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1295040266 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://omnium-gatherum.appspot.com/pages/tile.html < 1295040270 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think this is trivial? < 1295040293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or easy < 1295040315 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :62% packet loss to ineiros :/ < 1295040330 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be what cause the lag in general < 1295040351 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, lemme guess, it's an open problem. < 1295040422 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295040433 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's periodic, although i already closed my solution < 1295040500 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually took me quite a while because i figured it's aperiodic < 1295040508 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of "convince yourself" < 1295040567 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what's the smallest period you can get < 1295040573 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have the smallest possible < 1295040589 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1295040946 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think I did it < 1295041057 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: interesting i think most of your apply guards are equivalent to deps c `isPrefixOf` map fst line < 1295041060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh that's intriguing < 1295041075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Minecraft: More than 500 sold <-- WTF??? < 1295041078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it's 1 million < 1295041079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of lately < 1295041115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you think abusing that would be evil? :) < 1295041129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the thing is that i'd have to pattern-match anyway, so it would just be weird... but i could do it as a subfunction < 1295041168 0 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295041178 0 :Sgeo_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1295041196 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIE SGEO_ DIE < 1295041227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw trying to replace or delete SOF/EOF should also be disallowed, but < 1295041449 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: periodic? what period? < 1295041487 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: omg, it's insanely nice < 1295041496 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295041503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how many of each block do you use < 1295041512 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a repeating pattern < 1295041521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/NKJI < 1295041531 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Now you tell me why that's incorrect :P < 1295041553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that erroneously accepts SOF/EOF as a change but whatever < 1295041575 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually given the symmetry of the blocs, neither of those tells me much < 1295041594 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe that great minds think alike < 1295041599 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and me as well < 1295041643 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*blocks < 1295041741 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION vaguely remembers reading somewhere that Red Dwarf survived in the BBC because the director general thought it was mocking SF, but can't remember where he heard it.
< 1295041789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well it's broken so far < 1295041867 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so hey, what structures are Changes and [Line]s :D < 1295041869 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they FUNCTORS < 1295041917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rely on oerjan to do all my thinking for me < 1295041925 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295041950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The BBC is so strange. < 1295041977 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the times fit too, since it was airing while Doctor Who was being cancelled. < 1295042121 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Functors in String, probably < 1295042133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: boring! < 1295042144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are they APPLICATIVE functors?!!?!!!!! < 1295042153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey the toaster changed shape by series 4! < 1295042164 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCH A VIOLATION OF CONTINUITY CANNOT BE TOLERATED < 1295042183 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it has period 3 horizontally and period 4 vertically (with a shift of 1 block horizontally) < 1295042215 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there is a tiling with rotational symmetry < 1295042216 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sounds awkward < 1295042234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just want to be a pseudomathematician and reek, like all haskellers are known to do < 1295042243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sorry i forgot: also i want to be part of a cargo cult < 1295042246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so please give me structures that it is < 1295042250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if i have to break the laws of those structures < 1295042261 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: someone said "cargomorphism" in #haskell and got banned < 1295042274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: are you sure they were banned for _just_ that :p < 1295042281 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not just that < 1295042286 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was the last straw on the camels back < 1295042293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: was it that guy talking about a basic program < 1295042295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with line numbers! < 1295042298 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1295042299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and clearly i can't do it simply in haskell < 1295042300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1295042313 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you probably want the Changeset case to be before the general one. could also put an SOF test there i think < 1295042317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell used to be such a nice channel, but haskell's recent surge in popularity hasn't done it good :( < 1295042320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah i did :P < 1295042355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t isInfixOf < 1295042356 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Eq a) => [a] -> [a] -> Bool < 1295042363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t elem < 1295042364 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Eq a) => a -> [a] -> Bool < 1295042374 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\c -> elem SOF (deps c) || elem EOF (deps c)) < 1295042374 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap ((||) . elem SOF . deps) (elem EOF . deps) < 1295042377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1295042387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\c -> elem SOF (deps c) || elem EOF (deps c)) c < 1295042388 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elem SOF (deps c) || elem EOF (deps c) < 1295042392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1295042398 0 :Ahoalton!IceChat09@dialup-4.249.228.55.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295042468 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: strictly speaking SOF and EOF shouldn't be allowed in the deps of a Change, should they? < 1295042479 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh someone on MO posted "question which, I suppose, is as easy as abc for an expert" < 1295042481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (Insert "hello" SOF EOF) < 1295042488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that inserts the line "hello" into the empty file < 1295042490 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295042500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: remember that it's blame-based: you insert things in-between _changes_ < 1295042504 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so Insert is an exception... < 1295042504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a line is identified by the change that created it < 1295042514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh... indeed... < 1295042526 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have a feeling this SOF/EOF thing is crufty and could be improved, but ais at least hasn't thought of anything better < 1295042545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: link? < 1295042548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i have period (4, 1) < 1295042555 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1295042566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah okay you explained both periods < 1295042587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just gave the bigger one, i think we have the same one then < 1295042599 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it may be the smallest tiling then < 1295042611 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/52116/quadratic-forms-without-common-zeroes < 1295042655 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh, what is this chan < 1295042660 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how did I wind up here? < 1295042662 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a quadratic form :P < 1295042673 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i feel like i should remember the def < 1295042684 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: linear combination of squares < 1295042685 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: esoteric programming languages. except we're almost never on topic < 1295042696 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should invent an esoteric programming language < 1295042701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: spiritualism, mysticism, and magick! note: lies < 1295042711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're actually a figment of your imagination < 1295042726 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: otherwise, anything weird from programming or sometimes math < 1295042761 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're basically one big family that's constantly fighting and wishing certain members would die < 1295042766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having a constant christmas reunion < 1295042767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1295042773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretending to like each other < 1295042774 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1295042784 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey we're not _that_ bad < 1295042784 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295042795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well we wouldn't be, if only Vorpal choked on his own vomit! < 1295042797 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are esoteric programming languages? < 1295042805 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll check teh wiki < 1295042811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: ones that you wouldn't want to actually, you know, use < 1295042842 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: quadratic form on F^5 means you have a quadratic form in 5 variables? < 1295042847 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like wolfram mathematica < 1295042855 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone used the software? < 1295042876 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: mathematica is the buggiest, slowest piece of rubbish ever < 1295042889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to use it when i had integration in my courses < 1295042916 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1295042921 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't need that shit anymore so i don't really use mathematica either < 1295042929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i don't think that would be abc for an expert < 1295042934 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: I write my own < 1295042948 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may be wrong ofc, but that seems like a nontrivial prob < 1295042963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: we have a guy in here that wolfram gave $25,000 to and even he hates mathematica :D < 1295042968 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's a (consequence of a) really neat theorem < 1295042975 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which version elliott it got better < 1295042982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: no it didn't, this was with 7 < 1295042984 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The Chevally-Warning thing, the proof is pretty easy < 1295042990 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whoops lol < 1295042990 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: (I mean to read... not to come up with) < 1295042997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: i'm referring to the winner of http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/solved.html who is ais523 in here < 1295043009 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i thought that was a *warning* for when he starts proving the thing :D < 1295043010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1295043013 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1295043017 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: warning, elliott is the resident channel cynic < 1295043019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: the wolfram guys gave him some mathematica code that reimplemented his submitted Perl, and it made mathematica crash, as in a segfault < 1295043031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey now, the fact that mathematica sucks is well-known :) < 1295043033 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although some others seem to be converting < 1295043046 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm speaking generally here < 1295043059 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i guess i just don't know anything about multivariate stuff < 1295043062 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ørjan < 1295043063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: warning, oerjan is the resident channel superstitious guy < 1295043064 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme check proof < 1295043068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: speaking generally! < 1295043077 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://math.uga.edu/~pete/4400ChevalleyWarning.pdf < 1295043077 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: O KAY < 1295043083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: >:D < 1295043094 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and the EGZ theorem is super cool < 1295043124 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295043125 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-variant what is? < 1295043133 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ? < 1295043140 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGZ thm < 1295043141 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to write down maths homework half the time in LaTeX, the other half in a Mathematica notebook. It wasn't that bad for that, and at least you had it open for checking things. < 1295043144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: what IS < 1295043148 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it in that paper? < 1295043151 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :D < 1295043157 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes < 1295043157 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: answer his question! < 1295043160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1295043162 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what *is* < 1295043163 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what is?" "yes" < 1295043169 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all makes sense now < 1295043177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION achieves nirvana
< 1295043191 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps dropping my pronouns around you people is a bad idea < 1295043199 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: you're on DIALUP? < 1295043203 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a spane or something < 1295043205 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for being lazy but i am@typing on my phone so... < 1295043207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: my condolences < 1295043217 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i found out i can do it with gloves on < 1295043225 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean rub your penis < 1295043247 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1295043251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the phone thing? < 1295043263 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe Level3 just already ran out of IP addresses and started reusing dialup-named ones. < 1295043267 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need both hands wide open to rub my penis < 1295043278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :D < 1295043279 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: If you have a collection of n different numbers, there is a subset of size <= 2n which sums to 0 (mod n) < 1295043289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I need my arms < 1295043295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really inconvenient < 1295043306 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < < 1295043311 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: isn't that a bit too much on the safe side? < 1295043312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hey oerjan change the model so that insert isn't a special case : < 1295043316 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hm? < 1295043324 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know my connection elliott < 1295043327 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's in their old 4.0.0.0/8 net, so you can't really tell much from the address.) < 1295043328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you just need n < 1295043330 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: mdaning multiset? < 1295043332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: it's in your /whoi < 1295043333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1295043333 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers < 1295043338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* [Ahoalton] (IceChat09@dialup-4.249.228.55.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net): The Chat Cool People Use < 1295043339 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oops! I meant n/2 < 1295043341 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 2n < 1295043348 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295043352 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense < 1295043357 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah sorry multiset < 1295043365 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh n/3 < 1295043369 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*n/2 < 1295043372 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, well it works well < 1295043373 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough < 1295043380 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm how about 1 n/2 times < 1295043382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it really doesn't < 1295043383 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001f5b00390f-CM001e6b2335dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295043384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a multiset < 1295043387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you like, use gopher < 1295043390 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the subset is < 1295043391 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a multiset < 1295043392 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what I do it does < 1295043399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: use gopher? < 1295043399 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do everything but watch videos < 1295043404 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you need n different numbers in the multiset < 1295043405 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is gopher < 1295043406 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :read man < 1295043418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: like the web except usable on dialup and also useless < 1295043437 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but umm < 1295043441 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh, no I use firefox and the normal internet with noscript and adblock < 1295043445 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes things faster < 1295043446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just take any number n times? < 1295043454 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone state the problem without errors? < 1295043455 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahoalton: right, so loading google.com prolly only takes you about 4 minutes? < 1295043467 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can even torrent, if not slowly a < 1295043473 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and google isn't slow < 1295043499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :torrent??? like what < 1295043501 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google's rather bandwith-optimized, for obvious reasons. < 1295043503 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine torrenting anything on dialup < 1295043503 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i assume it is in the linked paper < 1295043505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe like < 1295043506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 jpegs < 1295043512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could be torrentable < 1295043534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey i can do a HACK < 1295043538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: | dps == [SOF} || dps == [EOF] < 1295043542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: since non-Insert deps lists are only one long < 1295043543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*] < 1295043544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDD < 1295043549 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya'll are annoying, < 1295043550 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1295043550 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they don't call them torrents. < 1295043552 0 :Ahoalton!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1295043558 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever heard of "bittrickle"? < 1295043562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, another newbie scared away < 1295043569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that one didn't know what esolangs are < 1295043577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: bitdrip < 1295043623 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was he even asking for? < 1295043637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nothing < 1295043641 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so < 1295043641 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just came in and then asked how the hell he got here < 1295043644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then defended mathematica < 1295043646 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, dialup's not *that* slow, I think I used to get something like 30-40 kbps from the theoretically-56k connection. < 1295043646 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was no n/2 i suppose < 1295043647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and asked what esolangs are < 1295043651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and USED DIALUP < 1295043661 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And then you ANNOYED him away. < 1295043672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he said YA'LL, not ELLIOTT < 1295043678 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame quintopia personally < 1295043687 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Hash function that blows up if you feed 65536YiB to it in one message... Meh. < 1295043691 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was the non-royal ya'll, meaning "you", in this particular case "just you". < 1295043695 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was definitely my fault < 1295043696 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Oh no, how horrible :P < 1295043700 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it always < 1295043709 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION scurries away
< 1295043711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The non-royal ya'll... the most USELESS WORD EVER < 1295043723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only purpose of y'all existing is to be a plural you :P < 1295043759 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all y'all think that, elliott < 1295043761 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya'll is short for "ya will" i.e. "you will" < 1295043769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295043778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: True, I will indeed are annoying at some point. < 1295043824 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:24 < oerjan> if all y'all think that, elliott < 1295043826 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1295043827 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all yell a lot < 1295043831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: That compares favorably to SHA-1/SHA-2, which both have a maximum message length of 2^64-1 bits, i.e. 2 EiB (minus one bit). < 1295043837 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: STOP COPYING OUR MESSAGES < 1295043862 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, SHA-256 variant of SHA-2; SHA-512 has 2^128-1 bits.) < 1295043863 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S INFRINGEDEMENT < 1295043864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it is certainly obvious floor(n/2) works) < 1295043914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey why isn't there a name for foldr . reverse (modulo making that correct) < 1295043932 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: foldl < 1295043938 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i.e. if i have a list of changes [a,b,c,d] and a must come before b, b must come before c, etc., then the right thing is "foldrM apply xs (reverse listOfChanges)" < 1295043941 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: er not really? < 1295043960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it? < 1295043960 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1295043967 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1295043986 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl (flip f) end [a,b,c,d] < 1295043988 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `end' < 1295043991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl (flip f) x [a,b,c,d] < 1295043994 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : f d (f c (f b (f a x))) < 1295043999 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDD < 1295044004 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: is n/2 optimal? < 1295044017 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for distinct numbers < 1295044019 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well the theorem says you have 2n-1 things, and there is a subsequence of size at most n < 1295044033 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if it's optimal it will be optimal on oen of the prime numbers < 1295044039 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't checked myself < 1295044078 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looks like one of the rare possible uses for foldl rather than foldl' < 1295044085 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldl < 1295044086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldl' < 1295044086 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b -> a) -> a -> [b] -> a < 1295044087 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b -> a) -> a -> [b] -> a < 1295044091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm why < 1295044100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i guess it might be marginally more efficient < 1295044102 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: non-strictness < 1295044105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if a change overwrites another change? < 1295044111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1295044126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh well then maybe you want foldl' anyhow < 1295044133 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not... < 1295044135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i just wonder why you think foldl would help < 1295044138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs foldl' < 1295044156 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i mean for that foldr ... . reverse thing in general < 1295044166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1295044170 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that hashing even a 1PiB in single message would take a fast computer with a fast hash algorithm about 24 days... < 1295044174 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: foldl' just makes me feel bad in general < 1295044178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: actually so does foldl < 1295044183 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just seems wrong < 1295044192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: note that in this case it's _actually_ foldM < 1295044195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because applies can fail < 1295044207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so I think it's already the equivalent of foldl' < 1295044209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src foldM < 1295044209 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldM _ a [] = return a < 1295044210 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldM f a (x:xs) = f a x >>= \fax -> foldM f fax xs < 1295044218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ fax as arg nam < 1295044218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1295044220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*name < 1295044236 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in your opinion, does making a language easier to implement make it worth crippling the language? < 1295044247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. Never. < 1295044250 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, by easier, I think he means nicer < 1295044257 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ...why on earth would that be worthwhile. < 1295044262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, unless it's to make a theoretical model. < 1295044266 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Who, what language, and what crippling? < 1295044269 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want a language to use, not to stare at the interpreter. < 1295044276 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so esolangs exempt. < 1295044282 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://raynes.me/logs/irc.freenode.net/atomo/today.txt < 1295044290 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295044298 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Another exception: Toy languages like Atomo. < 1295044301 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But most implemented esolangs *are* an interpreter. < 1295044317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i.e., if you're just exploring the design space, you can do whatever. < 1295044323 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And generally implementation ease wins out there. < 1295044332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the word "isoblorphism" < 1295044346 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*turned up in my head, and I want to know what it's supposed to mean. < 1295044354 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I misinterpreting what he's saying? < 1295044355 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm yeah it's foldl' except in the rare case where you can deduce a Nothing as the result from only the outer part of it < 1295044368 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know, I don't know Atomo. < 1295044372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Summarise. < 1295044399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you make ais appear here < 1295044403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to ask him qs about scapegoat! < 1295044403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He removed the ability to change an object's delegate so that the implementation becomes much nicer < 1295044413 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: How did you arrive to that number? Because I went by Skein, which reportedly does 500 GiB/s on a 3.1 GHz x64 Core 2 Duo, and that gives 1*1024*1024/0.5/60/60/24 ~ 24.27, which is suspiciously similar. < 1295044416 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: or wait, the definition of foldM makes that foldl' for Maybes < 1295044429 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If changing delegates is a Bad Thing to do anyway, then it's a good decision. < 1295044434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I suspect it is a bad decision. < 1295044437 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/GiB/MiB/ < 1295044449 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(500 gigabytes/sec would be pretty impressive.) < 1295044474 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://files.slatelanguage.org/doc/pmd/talk.pdf argues that the ability to change delegates is a very, very good thing < 1295044488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutation is always bad. < 1295044491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, no it isn't < 1295044491 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Store a piece of state as "which ancestor" instead of as a slot on the object < 1295044493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*isn't. < 1295044517 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, he wrote another toy language, "Atomy", with a much simpler model for objects, then backported the changes < 1295044530 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddamn it, why are there no Linux browsers with built-in PDF readers. < 1295044536 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Chrome. < 1295044542 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Its built-in reader renders text really badly though. < 1295044554 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314, uh? < 1295044560 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295044575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: i see no evidence for that < 1295044597 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ask him yourself. < 1295044624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathnerd314: considering that his github has no atomy repo, and you haven't provided any sort of evidence at all, I don't see why I should < 1295044628 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he tell you that, or osmething? < 1295044629 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it doesn't seem to... < 1295044630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something? < 1295044630 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://bitbucket.org/alex/atomy/ < 1295044639 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I click on links to PDFs, it downloads as normal. < 1295044642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, bitbucket < 1295044653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: by chrome, do you mean Debian's chromium package? < 1295044657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it doesn't come with the pdf reader < 1295044663 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here like beer? < 1295044665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's a bad reader though, I don't recommend it, text is really ugly < 1295044666 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Is it terribly outdated or crippled? < 1295044675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Uh, it's fairly outdated I think. < 1295044683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Chrome gets updated roughly every millisecond. < 1295044692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Silently, and automatically, like Minecraft!) < 1295044693 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beer? anyone? < 1295044697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, not really.) < 1295044700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: nope! < 1295044707 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295044712 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know you don't < 1295044718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just providin' a data point < 1295044736 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :datum is shorter < 1295044749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your face is shorter. < 1295044752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than a datum. < 1295044756 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my face has a beer < 1295044763 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders how to most effectively compress music to fit in MC music circuits.
< 1295044765 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :your beer is a datum. < 1295044769 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: mp3! < 1295044771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRACTICAL < 1295044772 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a beard but that is irrelevant) < 1295044778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh my god, let's wire one up to the CPU. < 1295044783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IT MUST BE DONE < 1295044783 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we're talking note-level. < 1295044790 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION likes the occasional beer but hasn't had one for months
< 1295044813 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you *seen* the time that thing takes per iteration? < 1295044815 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd buy you a beer < 1295044824 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you would promise not to swat me < 1295044824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IT'D BE A VERY SLOW SONG < 1295044835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Do the rendition of the Lincolnshire Poacher heard on the numbers station of the same name. < 1295044842 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It creeps me out. Like a creeper. < 1295044843 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i don't like beer _that_ much < 1295044849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTFAD < 1295044850 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1295044854 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION whistles innocently
< 1295044856 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Well, we're talking note-level. <-- some MIDI? < 1295044859 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I used bit higher clock rate (i7 can have one) and 6 clocks per byte. < 1295044868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: In fact, make it activated by a pressure plate, and surround your house with them, so that when a creeper steps on them, it plays it. < 1295044870 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has people smelling clean sheets, then narrator says they were washed 7 days ago < 1295044876 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that interesting?/ < 1295044877 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, dunno, just as in sheet music. < 1295044879 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, though a different scheme is probably better < 1295044879 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Poacher.ogg < 1295044884 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, maybe after 7 days of regular use, etc. < 1295044929 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: it's a commentary on people who like the smell of sweat < 1295044958 0 :SgeoN1!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1295045120 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: Well, Skein is also described a 6.1 clocks/byte; does something else do 6? < 1295045181 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some other implementation reportedly did 5.99. < 1295045219 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on what operation? < 1295045234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :skein. < 1295045239 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i like beer < 1295045262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost never drink it < 1295045281 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does skein even mean? < 1295045290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's one of the SHA-3 contest hash functions. < 1295045301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite likely to win. < 1295045303 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, a measure of wool? < 1295045305 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295045309 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it < 1295045333 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel tempted to say "Schneier's one", but it *does* have other authors, and I don't want to slight them. < 1295045352 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of contests, I haven't checked up on the netflix prize in almost a year.... < 1295045376 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they already award it to someone? < 1295045388 0 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295045405 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno. like i said...haven't checked < 1295045444 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On September 18, 2009, Netflix announced team "BellKor's Pragmatic Chaos" as the prize winner, and the prize was awarded to the team in a ceremony on September 21, 2009.[22] "The Ensemble" team had in fact succeeded to match BellKor's result, but since BellKor submitted their results 20 minutes earlier, the rules award the prize to them." < 1295045446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: ping. < 1295045451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a dramatic moment. < 1295045472 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1295045478 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a close call < 1295045489 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they started a new one? < 1295045551 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1295045573 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legal troubles. < 1295045575 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i assume they have implemented that algorithm on their servers now < 1295045577 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the past few months, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) asked us how a Netflix Prize sequel might affect Netflix members' privacy, and a lawsuit was filed by KamberLaw LLC pertaining to the sequel." < 1295045578 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1295045584 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In light of all this, we have decided to not pursue the Netflix Prize sequel that we announced on August 6, 2009." < 1295045603 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember reading about the lawsuit, but not that they decided to cancel the new competition. < 1295045624 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i recall, all their test data were anonymouse < 1295045634 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, anonymized to some degree. < 1295045641 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always arguable how much of that can be done. < 1295045642 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would the sequel dompromise privacy' < 1295045665 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were worried about the first contest already. < 1295045677 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people identified particular users by cross-correlating against IMDB ratings. < 1295045688 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anonymized inasmuch as they removed all references to actual people and randomize some of the data < 1295045698 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295045700 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1295045734 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The ratings of less-popular films, coupled with the dates they're rated, form a kind of movie-preference fingerprint that can be used to make matches, the researchers concluded." < 1295045763 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't add too much random noise before their data set goes too far from the real data for sensible algorithm evaluation and such. < 1295045769 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit. ghey can find out what movies people like! < 1295045780 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an invasion of privacy < 1295045788 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might like /porn/! < 1295045810 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1295045816 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, indeed. < 1295045816 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay phone is dying < 1295045818 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1295045824 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So. Minecraft is really, really, really addictive. < 1295045841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Told you. < 1295045842 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't find it tat bad < 1295045842 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think also Netflix people may have said in their Terms that they won't tell other people what they're renting. < 1295045845 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot of fun though < 1295045847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You've had it for, what, 3 hours? :P < 1295045860 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Guess how long I've been playing it! < 1295045868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SEVEN HOURS? < 1295045878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:39:30 does the minecraft world wrap around? < 1295045878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:39:37 ilke a donus < 1295045882 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me, I should be playing minecraft < 1295045885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: dunno, why not walk to the edge and find out :D < 1295045896 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You are an evil man. < 1295045897 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I thought I hade looped but turns out I just went in a circle < 1295045899 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's clearly an Orbital. < 1295045902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: LOL < 1295045908 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it has 4x the surface area of the earth < 1295045914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you will nevereverever find the edgee < 1295045915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*edge < 1295045916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVER < 1295045924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you walked for real-world years constantly ... still no < 1295045939 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not without our top-secret SMP teleporter. < 1295045947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah then it'd just lag forever < 1295045948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't they always say 8x? < 1295045949 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing which sucks is I can't leave minecraft running the background while I am here on IRC < 1295045953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: er maybe < 1295045955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yes you can? < 1295045987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: btw re: source code, minecraft is "open" in that decompiling java produces something almost identical to the original code minus variable names, and there's a bunch of batch files (apparently with a shell script version) that deobfuscate most of the class, variable and method names < 1295045990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can use this for modding < 1295045998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:21:47 4.27 m/s, http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Transportation < 1295046002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Scale that to the Minecraft day. < 1295046005 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: geez he should just release the code :P < 1295046007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i.e., 20 minutes vs. 24 hours < 1295046020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*17 minutes < 1295046024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Yeah, well, Asteroids II will come with full Amber source code. < 1295046066 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: um? < 1295046069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the days are 20 minutes < 1295046089 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nights are 7. Days are 10. < 1295046095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sunrise/set are 1.5 each. < 1295046097 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And dusk/dawn are the other 3. < 1295046097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Day/night_cycle. < 1295046099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1295046103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := 20. < 1295046108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : one thing which sucks is I can't leave minecraft running the background while I am here on IRC < 1295046109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: why not? < 1295046121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Phantom_Hoover: Gem from that page: "Actual time of Sunset will not change if the texture for the sun is changed. The day/night cycle will be the same length with the same effects even if the sun is visibly larger or smaller." < 1295046122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O RLY < 1295046218 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish you could put a collar around animals so they don't disappear < 1295046228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu is getting really great lately < 1295046232 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.10 is very polished < 1295046233 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well that doesn't seem too insane really. Maybe texture packs should be able to provide a parameter for it < 1295046257 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OMG < 1295046258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellworld < 1295046258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This option has shown up in the 0.2.2_01 release. < 1295046258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valid values: < 1295046258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true - the server will behave like The Nether; red sky, zombie pigmen and ghasts spawning. The map will stay the same, however, so don't set this flag if you don't want pigmen stomping all over your flower garden. < 1295046268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You can get red sky, zombie pigmen, and ghasts on a normal map. < 1295046271 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be ... so amazing < 1295046281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look: < 1295046281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :online-mode < 1295046281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server checks connecting players against minecraft's account database. Only set this to false if your server is not connected to the Internet. Hackers with fake accounts can connect if this is set to false! < 1295046282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Valid values: < 1295046282 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :true - Enabled. The server will assume it has an Internet connection and check every player. < 1295046283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :false - Disabled. The server will not attempt to check connecting players. < 1295046285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't even need a mod. < 1295046302 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not. But to provide any level of security you do < 1295046303 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is this *official*? < 1295046312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's in server.properties, at least. < 1295046318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Server.properties < 1295046327 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeb is the best thing to happen to MC since forever. < 1295046335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:25:39 Phantom_Hoover: He wanted to be the guy who's been furthest away from spawn, so I was computerizing how much walking would it take to get to (100k,100k). < 1295046338 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, online-mode would allow me to log in as you and dump your inventory in one of my chests for example. And that thing has been around for ages. < 1295046339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: me and Phantom_Hoover have been there. < 1295046353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't think that's new. < 1295046354 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psssht. < 1295046376 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHUTUPFACTSCAN'TDISSUADEMYJEBFANBOYISM < 1295046418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Jeb still WORKS FOR NOTCH and ostensibly agrees with his main opinions. < 1295046424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: And didn't veto the switch from git to svn. < 1295046425 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, 4.27 blocks/IRL-second → 4.27/72 game-metres/game-second → 213.5 metres/hour. Okay, that's not a very fast walk. < 1295046427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not like him too much. < 1295046444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 0.1 mph :D < 1295046461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have verified my theory that everything in the Minecraft world is really, really slow and we just view it from a zoom lens. < 1295046478 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295046503 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but you hate git now...? < 1295046505 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, minecarts can travel up to 0.25 mph. < 1295046508 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a mathematical proof that a programming language cannot be both turing-complete and reversible? < 1295046535 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ZOMG < 1295046537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, because it can be. < 1295046552 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and in km/h? < 1295046567 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I forgot the conversion factor for that) < 1295046588 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is what I thought, yes it can be both. < 1295046663 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 0.4 km/h. < 1295046706 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(28.8 km/h if you count metres in game-blocks but time in IRL terms.) < 1295046717 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone mentioned a proof: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:2D-Reverse < 1295046771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The Art of Computer Programming, Volume 4A: Combinatorial Algorithms, Part I, has been released. < 1295046807 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Part 1 < 1295046815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: hey is that the book you were referring to? < 1295046826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: of course you should by TAoCP! all of it! NOWWWW < 1295046845 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I get TAoCP? < 1295046867 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have it but I would like to buy it too. < 1295046889 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazon sells a reasonably priced reasonably pretty box of TAoCP 1-3. < 1295046894 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are turing equivalent reverseible prorgamming languages < 1295046919 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there is also a notation of "reversibly turing complete" which means it does not store its whole execution trace (while still being reversible) < 1295046937 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: YES. (Note: It costs like £100 for the box set.) < 1295046943 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm < 1295046960 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Volume 4, I think I'll wait until they sell a box with at least 4A, 4B and 4C. < 1295046962 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random things that immensely annoy me about Doctor Who part n: how many times is humanity going to make first contact? < 1295046964 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295046986 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I expect 2D-Reverse is reversible and turing-complete. < 1295047002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D < 1295047006 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1295047019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I like how everyone acts completely normally even though aliens have been shown to definitely exist, rather dramatically. < 1295047025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nobody ever talks about them. Ever. < 1295047028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, Amazon already has a Volume 1-4A box (for pre-order). < 1295047038 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except when it's a plot point, naturally. < 1295047059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "ridiculous. ant/nant is already the ultimate build system." --actual person expressing actual, non-sarcastic opinion < 1295047075 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got particularly ridiculous when noöne bothered to tell Donna that she had missed about 3 alien invasions. < 1295047126 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Art-Computer-Programming-Volumes-Boxed/dp/0201485419/ -- this is the version I have, and it's sort-of reasonably priced; but of course if you don't have volumes 1-3, the new box -- http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Programming-Volumes-1-4A-Boxed/dp/0321751043/ -- probably has updates in 1-3 too. (Since it's called "third edition" and all.) < 1295047173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish ais was here so I could ask if all changesets should just be stored topographically sorted to avoid recomputing, or if there's some reason why that can't work. < 1295047173 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anything happen while I was away?" "Well, some aliens invaded and killed a bunch of people, but that's old news." < 1295047212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're forgetting the part where the Earth got TRANSPORTED TO ANOTHER SOLAR SYSTEM, which apparently made the sky transparent for some reason. < 1295047218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was Donna there for that? < 1295047221 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point is, nobody's mentioned it since. < 1295047227 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm, the sky kind of is transparent. < 1295047235 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, yes. < 1295047239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there was another planet nearby in the sky, we'd see it clearly. < 1295047242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But I mean, it became black with planets dotted in it. < 1295047250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *Yes*, but there was a suspicious lack of *blue*. < 1295047270 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there wasn't exactly a star nearby. < 1295047277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Err, wasn't there? < 1295047290 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not IIRC. < 1295047294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1295047299 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rest of my line still stands. < 1295047359 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit about everyone forgetting and going about their lives? < 1295047360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I now know what causes the lag to ineiros. Packet loss. < 1295047380 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal had finally solved the greatest problem of his existence. < 1295047406 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION ponders redownloading ... those links elliott mentioned
< 1295047426 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did I claim that...? < 1295047436 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, where did you get that idea from < 1295047440 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, nowhere. < 1295047448 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACK TO THE AMNESIA OF DOCTOR WHO CHARACTERS < 1295047458 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, they do poke fun at it. < 1295047480 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the timeline and continuity is irrevocably screwed up, probably because RTD is a grade-A idiot. < 1295047484 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4A has a pretty limited topic (7.1 zeros and ones, incl. 7.1.3 bitwise tricks and techniques, plus 7.2.1 combinatorial generators), leaving many juicy bits (7.3 shortest paths, 7.4 graph algos, 7.5 network algos, etc.) for volumes 4B, 4C, ...; even given that it manages to be 912 pages. So my guess is it's rather knuthian in depth. < 1295047532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They should devote two whole series to reconstructing the timeline. < 1295047533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like DC Comics. < 1295047539 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, even then. < 1295047552 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider that it can't possibly be in sync with the real-world time. < 1295047595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Have it start with the "wibbly wobbly timey wimey" speech from Blink! < 1295047599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That solves everything < 1295047615 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doctor Who quite clearly has 2D time. < 1295047644 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, your links don't work < 1295047653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes they do. < 1295047658 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1295047669 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, trying to use the downloaded files doens't work < 1295047701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They do if you have a friend who's willing to let you access their MC account once. < 1295047703 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, from Knuth's page: "Volume 5, Syntactic Algorithms, in preparation: 9. Lexical scanning (includes also string search and data compression); 10. Parsing techniques. Estimated to be ready by 2020." Well, he certainly is optimistic. < 1295047706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask KTAT < 1295047708 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from .." < 1295047726 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: He has discovered the Fountain of Youth. < 1295047727 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After Volume 5 has been completed, I will revise Volumes 1--3 again to bring them up to date. In particular, the new material for those volumes that has been issued in beta-test fascicles will be incorporated at that time. < 1295047728 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I will publish a ``reader's digest'' edition of Volumes 1--5, condensing the most important material into a single book. < 1295047728 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And after Volumes 1--5 are done, God willing, I plan to publish Volume 6 (the theory of context-free languages) and Volume 7 (Compiler techniques), but only if the things I want to say about those topics are still relevant and still haven't been said." That's probably around 2100 or so, then. < 1295047742 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\Users\Sgeo\Downloads\MinecraftNew\minecraft.jar" < 1295047761 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, *KT-AT < 1295047780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ktat. < 1295047783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Fail. < 1295047790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes in %APPDATA%\.minecraft\bin. < 1295047803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you need Minecraft.jar (uppercase M) from the minecraft.net site (placed anywhere) to launch it. < 1295047843 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there a Minecraft.jar and a minecraft.jar? < 1295047850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notch-quality naming scheme < 1295047852 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1295047878 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the Minecraft.jar have to be up to date? < 1295047889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, it's a free download. < 1295047947 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what will happen to my alpha save? < 1295047952 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I just delete it? < 1295047961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It will work fine. < 1295047975 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More grievances with Doctor Who: what was with everyone acting like everything was fine after they rewound time in the series 3 finale? < 1295047980 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is happy that he won't need to go coal hunting
< 1295047988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Um, you'll need to mine. < 1295047990 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people still *died*, you stupid twats. < 1295047991 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And mining of any sort = tons of coal. < 1295048020 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't strictly speaking need to mine, if I'm fine being bored on the surface the whole time < 1295048023 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1295048028 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because you've pulled yourselves out of the situation doesn't magically fix everything. < 1295048029 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it means I won't need to rush to get coal < 1295048046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you're not on Peaceful, you need to mine to get the stuff you need to not die. < 1295048128 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can just avoid things that kill you. < 1295048143 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can cower in a hole in a cliffside like I do. < 1295048145 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, shelter, lighting, what else? < 1295048170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm way ahead of you: I *won* Minecraft. < 1295048178 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How to win Minecraft: < 1295048181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find a hill made out of dirt. < 1295048193 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take two blocks, one above the other, starting at ground level, from the hill. < 1295048195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk inside. < 1295048201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Place them just in front of you, looking outwards. < 1295048215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congratulations, you have mined two blocks, placed two blocks, and are in an invincible shelter. < 1295048219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monsters can never harm you. < 1295048220 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Win! < 1295048227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, I did this.) < 1295048237 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you want to enjoy yourself. < 1295048252 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you can also use the patented HHI Airbase. < 1295048256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, but it's the winning that's important. < 1295048259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: DON'T REVEAL THE PLANS. < 1295048262 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are state secrets. < 1295048277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: BTW, if the airbase gets big enough, we'll need a ceiling (glass, probably); otherwise monsters will spawn like 40 blocks away. < 1295048279 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Or you can just put it on peaceful and mine the fuck out of everything. < 1295048294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Peaceful single-player is rather boring most of the time. < 1295048298 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, erm, lighting? < 1295048307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, sure. < 1295048314 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Or... MAKE THE AIRBASE OUT OF STEPS < 1295048317 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mouse will STILL not stay in the window < 1295048320 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA a trivial requirement? < 1295048328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION gives up for now
< 1295048342 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Your computer is broken. < 1295048345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1295048352 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lighting. < 1295048353 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What OS? < 1295048354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Right. < 1295048360 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows < 1295048371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not helpful. < 1295048372 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What OS? < 1295048377 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 7 < 1295048389 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What JVM? < 1295048395 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1295048408 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on < 1295048451 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1295048506 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :C:\Users\Sgeo>java -version < 1295048506 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java version "1.6.0_22" < 1295048506 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_22-b04) < 1295048506 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 17.1-b03, mixed mode) < 1295048550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Screenshot of Minecraft running? < 1295048559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With your mouse inside the window. < 1295048562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And clicking. < 1295048584 0 :GreaseMonkey!~gm@unaffiliated/greasemonkey JOIN :#esoteric < 1295048587 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the .minecraft is an amalgamation of those files and nooga's source's files < 1295048590 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably it < 1295048602 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know how to fix it < 1295048625 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, buy the game < 1295048627 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fixes it < 1295048634 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I intend to soon < 1295048637 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the amalgation of files) < 1295048648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :amalgamation* < 1295048656 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am very happy to have bought it, it was well worth it < 1295048680 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, and I'm sure ineiros will let you on then. Even if elliott will hate that. < 1295048703 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, the only issue is the addiction. But I guess Sgeo has that already < 1295048705 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wants me on so I can do drudge work < 1295048730 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, refuse to once you get on and instead go build some awesome thing some distance away :) < 1295048773 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a boring idea < 1295048782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, oh? < 1295048785 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Binary < 1295048791 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, binary what? < 1295048834 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One block, then to the left block above air, then to the left, block block, then to the left, block air air, etc < 1295048835 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, better idea: build a houseboat as your base. Won't be able to move yet (perhaps if we get movecraft!). But awesome < 1295048889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so? < 1295048901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I did say my idea was boring < 1295048902 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you build cars of some sort in movecraft < 1295048915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: if they hover in the air, i guess < 1295048921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it empties chests though < 1295048934 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that will likely be fixed soon < 1295048936 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will it not empty chests? < 1295048939 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spoke to the authors < 1295048942 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :author* < 1295048953 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :movecraft is cool, and getting cooler every day < 1295048957 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to use water to get down from any height safely?/ < 1295048965 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes < 1295048968 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295048973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, 2 deep pool at the bottom < 1295048977 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, 1 deep won't work < 1295048983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um < 1295048986 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you need 2 deep or deeper < 1295048990 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't have access to the bottom? < 1295048998 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And are spilling the water from a height? < 1295049000 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1295049005 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I guess you could carefully go down a waterfall < 1295049008 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it theoretically impossible to get down safely from a single block up in the air? < 1295049010 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do normal people get down from a scaffold? < 1295049010 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1295049024 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not if you have a bucket of water with you < 1295049027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: hmm < 1295049028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no < 1295049029 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: of course not < 1295049032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sand < 1295049040 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1295049043 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, you walk down it if you built it that way < 1295049046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneak to the edge of the block, place one sand, run back onto the block so you don't fall < 1295049050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat until there's a full tower < 1295049051 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :using just dirt, that was kinda important < 1295049052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step on < 1295049053 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, or if it is a 1x1 pillar then you dig down < 1295049054 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :destroy sand below you < 1295049063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: are we to assume that there is no terrain nearby? < 1295049071 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1295049083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all terrain in the world is 10 lower than you < 1295049091 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you can move arbitrarily far at your height < 1295049096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes, you can use water to get down. you can even remove the water and dirt first < 1295049105 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you have an infinite amount of dirt at least < 1295049107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :place water, step on water, carefully remove dirt, bucket water, follow stream down < 1295049116 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: trivially impossible then afaics < 1295049147 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What dirt? < 1295049149 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, if all terrain is 10 below you < 1295049158 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, then built out until you are above 2 deep water < 1295049162 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, then jump down < 1295049174 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, I think elliott has me on ignore so tell him I solved it < 1295049174 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1295049175 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously all that terrain is dirt < 1295049180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if you're on one block of dirt < 1295049187 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, not obviously. You didn't say that :P < 1295049201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: maybe if you remove the dirt block below you, wait until you're in placing-range of the terrain below, then rapid-fire :D < 1295049209 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's the natural question < 1295049211 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you follow a stream down, and it ends up not being 2 deep at the bottom < 1295049213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd only fall 4 blocks, if you can place blocks instantly < 1295049218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 10 is enough to forbid that < 1295049219 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't think that will work < 1295049223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no it isn't < 1295049226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by a couple blocks < 1295049226 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you can place from 6 blocks < 1295049229 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fall 4 blocks < 1295049229 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1295049230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :place madly < 1295049233 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 hurts < 1295049236 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :until there's a block below you < 1295049237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it does? < 1295049240 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so < 1295049240 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1295049243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :test it :p < 1295049250 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 does not hurt. 4 does < 1295049251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why 10. that's a lie, i just chose it arbitrarily. < 1295049281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Bees, bees, bees, bees!" --slogan < 1295049288 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i was thinking was something crazy like jumping down so you can start putting stuff under your original block, but obviously you still can't put a block under yourself... < 1295049306 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION attempts to examine schedules again
< 1295049311 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And trying not to go mad < 1295049377 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah: http://i.imgur.com/uWV6r.jpg < 1295049382 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover logreading: Bad thing about skybase: Respawning often offsets you enough that you fall to your death. < 1295049467 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: haha < 1295049489 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have sand and dirt, you can actually reach any cell from any cell < 1295049501 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting and ending on top of single block < 1295049503 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :without tower < 1295049509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, also this is seriously cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEPVYrltke4 < 1295049516 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit glitchy in the middle < 1295049518 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1295049527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well er... maybe < 1295049532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how you could get up again to a single block < 1295049533 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit waste of space though to not reuse block for same tone < 1295049537 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! that's great < 1295049553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: using dirt, just make a staircase and break it as you go up for instance < 1295049569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: how can you break the block before your current one < 1295049570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1295049571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :below < 1295049572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i.e. < 1295049574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : # < 1295049575 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## < 1295049577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1295049578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.# < 1295049579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :## < 1295049581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you break bottom-right < 1295049582 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, by shifting out on the edge < 1295049586 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1295049588 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can even just break the block two down from you, then jump up and place under you' < 1295049589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it's possible... maybe starting on the < 1295049589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1295049590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# < 1295049590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :part < 1295049593 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-�