< 1295136004 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1295136005 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also who puts slipknot and evanescence on the same list :D what's their connection? < 1295136015 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"electric guitar -> metal!" < 1295136029 0 :Phantom__Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1295136050 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and who puts eminem and justin bieber on the same list < 1295136053 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's their connection < 1295136067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well umm maybe i shouldn't analyze this further < 1295136071 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both jokingly made fun of by some group < 1295136085 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1295136093 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you elaborate < 1295136100 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm referring to the thing i pasted < 1295136246 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People hate Justin Bieber for no reason, and I'm sure people hate Eminem for no reason < 1295136251 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SAY C++, I SAY BRAINFUCK!!!!! YOU SAY JAVA, I SAY UNLAMBDA!! 6% OF PEOPLE HAVE TURNED TO PROGRAMMING, IF YOU ARE IN THE 0.03% SUBSET THAT USES REAL PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES, COPY AND PASTE THIS TO 5 OTHER PROGRAMMING CHANNELS!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T LET THE SPIRIT OF ETC < 1295136251 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295136257 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1295136269 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would make a great retard < 1295136273 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i wouldn't have to change a thing < 1295136297 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU SAY C++, I SAY BRAINFUCK!!!!! YOU SAY JAVA, I SAY UNLAMBDA!! 6% OF PEOPLE HAVE TURNED TO PROGRAMMING, IF YOU ARE IN THE 0.03% SUBSET THAT USES REAL PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES, COPY AND PASTE THIS TO 5 OTHER PROGRAMMING CHANNELS!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T LET THE SPIRIT OF ETC < 1295136316 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: what were the channels? < 1295136320 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just this one < 1295136322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295136328 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, i wish elliott was here < 1295136336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not < 1295136342 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know < 1295136348 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"6% OF PEOPLE HAVE TURNED TO PROGRAMMING, IF YOU ARE IN THE 0.03% SUBSET THAT USES REAL PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES" < 1295136350 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise i would've said < 1295136353 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, elliott is here < 1295136354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there's a /prog/ meme like that :} < 1295136360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, was < 1295136384 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's kind of an obvious joke, so obvious that it took me quite a lot of effort to make myself write it. < 1295136398 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295136402 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in what sense? < 1295136413 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to see that youtube comment like daily < 1295136430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait Sgeo is still going to date ktat? < 1295136431 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAN YOU LOOK UP MEM < 1295136431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1295136472 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't he date ktat? < 1295136488 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: she believes vitamin c causes cancer, and that chemotherapy is essentially vitamin c < 1295136494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, cures < 1295136497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1295136502 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: (and is a cancer survivor herself, cured by chemotherapy, not vitamin c) < 1295136508 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i forgot, they're the same thing < 1295136511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because radiation is a vitamin < 1295136541 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think [hope] she knows radiation isn't a vitamin < 1295136553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: then how is chemotherapy vitamin c < 1295136562 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: everyone laughed at einstein when he told the world center of physics that the earth is actually the center of time but look what happened < 1295136571 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: marry me < 1295136579 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chemotherapy != radiation < 1295136588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i am aware, how's chemotherapy vitamin c < 1295136604 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She mentioned some documentary... < 1295136625 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295136625 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :chemotherapy != radiation? i thought that was the essential part < 1295136627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you see the thing is chemotherapy has nothing to do with vitamin c < 1295136630 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1295136630 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying < 1295136637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda important fact < 1295136664 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO WHO CARES WHAT A GIRL THINKS AS LONG AS THERE'S PROSPECT OF SEX < 1295136692 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that needed to be said i think < 1295136711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but Sgeo has said he's not sure he'd like sex before! all he wants is opinions on vitamin c < 1295136714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boy, these opinions are low-quality < 1295136735 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew this guy who said he didn't like sex, masturbation was better < 1295136753 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you have such a good memory? < 1295136758 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, Mike?/ < 1295136767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: because i remember things that are really strange, and you're fucking weird. < 1295136770 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a guy i went to high school with < 1295136772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that are strange < 1295136807 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you remember something i've said? < 1295136817 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dog food < 1295136824 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh eating that < 1295136844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it nice < 1295136845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've certainly dabbled in dogging < 1295136855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating doggy style < 1295136878 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am here now. I was away before sorry someone tried to call me < 1295136912 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if it's nice or bad, but it's certainly different from human food < 1295136924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why don't you want a funeral < 1295136925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've only tried the dry stuff < 1295136928 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there will be people with a serious fetish for behaving like a pet dog and eating dog food out of a bowl < 1295136946 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sexylosers.com/053.html [NSFW NSFW NSFW] < 1295136949 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to funeral for me and no bury me. The funeral and these things is cost money and I do not like it. < 1295136950 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't be surprising if it's called dogging too < 1295136977 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^relevant to what oklopol said about that guy < 1295136986 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make my body to use, such as making wig by the hair, making writing by the blood (perhaps some lie about how I died?), and the rest of the body for eating?? < 1295137001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how about sex? < 1295137005 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if eating is okay < 1295137029 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295137033 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No sex. (Of course I am dead and I will therefore not stop you, but surely sex of the dead is doesn't even make sense??) < 1295137034 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1295137040 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Necrophilia is real. < 1295137049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens :P < 1295137072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :necrophilia with a man would obviously have the dead guy as a bottom < 1295137087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i assume so < 1295137089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1295137093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well come on then" < 1295137095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'M WAITING" < 1295137101 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know since i'm a completely straight necrophiliac < 1295137104 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would assume it goes all ways < 1295137138 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay necro is just weeeeird < 1295137146 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more time you waste with sex from dead, the body will be rotten and then it will be no good for anything whatsoever (except, perhaps, source of carbon). < 1295137146 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just... always assume some people are weirder than you thought possible < 1295137174 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean come on, who wants to see two guys kiss each other and one is dead, two girls (one being dead), sure, everyone likes that but two guys.. (and one is dead) that's just sick < 1295137195 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :never leave us oklopol < 1295137203 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :necrophilic cannibals finish quick so they can have fresher meat < 1295137207 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to eat right away while it is still on the line of live and dead. But you also have to pull your hair, not only so you can see who is strong enough to pull the hair, but also so that you can make wig. < 1295137212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it will have been good for the sex, at least you can have sex multiple times, you can only eat a body once < 1295137220 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess you'll get a lot of meat from one body < 1295137232 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: But you cannot make proper sex with the dead! < 1295137247 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can if they're still warm! < 1295137254 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why? < 1295137259 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, it is possible to be bald when dead, and then you will have no hair to pull) < 1295137273 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meat should be cured for better taste though, I would assume this goes for humans too < 1295137308 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No! I disallowed you to sell human meats in the store! < 1295137338 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, are you drunk? < 1295137345 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why couldn't you have sex with someone who's dead, zzo38? < 1295137349 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Are you drunk? < 1295137358 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1295137358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why couldn't you have sex with someone who's dead, zzo38? < 1295137359 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just mean because it's gross, or like some physical reason < 1295137367 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Because it is not proper sex. < 1295137386 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't expect it to work so well or proper. < 1295137388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about sex with someone who's unconscious? < 1295137400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how is it not proper? < 1295137400 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yuck! that's just weird < 1295137415 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: In that case, they are still live, and they didn't tell you consent, so you should not do that either. < 1295137423 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But for different reason) < 1295137425 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1295137444 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can consent to unconscious sex just as you can for post-mortem sex < 1295137448 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295137454 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1295137461 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know they "didn't tell you consent"? and we're not talking about whether you should do it, but whether it'd be proper sex < 1295137475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well except that you're going to wake up if you're unconscious... and are also still a sentient being < 1295137475 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think legally you can't consent to post-mortem sex < 1295137480 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to write a note from blood of the recently deceased, about how they died? < 1295137484 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but legally, you can consent to unconscious sex, prolly < 1295137489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so post-mortem is a bit different < 1295137495 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "I died getting the blood to write this note" < 1295137498 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Well, I guess if they told you consent ahead of time for unconscious sex, it is different. < 1295137504 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so why can sex with a dead person not be proper? < 1295137533 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: we don't care about the consent part... or is sex somehow different depending on whether it's immoral or not? < 1295137534 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because sex must involve two people and their body of sex is not function properly once dead, therefore it is improper. < 1295137544 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295137548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :improper as in "wrong"? < 1295137549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how does it not function properly, like, how does that stop sex being proper? < 1295137550 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what < 1295137559 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the legalities, of course, but if someone decides their burial should involve sex shouldn't that be exactly like deciding you want to be cremated? < 1295137563 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as in -- what parts of the body are (1) required for sex to be proper and (2) not functioning past death? < 1295137583 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ashes to ashes... dust to dust... genitalia to genitalia... < 1295137584 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know, I am not a doctor. Nor do I know about sex. Maybe you should ask a sex doctor. < 1295137595 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: unless it's just plain illegal to fuck a dead body < 1295137595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: then i don't see how you can say post-mortem sex is not proper < 1295137603 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1295137617 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Of course I can say whatever I want, it doesn't make it necessarily true! < 1295137617 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose this gets a bit fine-grained, maybe you can still make the contract legally or something < 1295137624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well that's a bit silly < 1295137633 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you can't make a contract saying someone can murder you < 1295137634 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think burning a dead body is illegal too, except when part of the procedures < 1295137636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's probably similar < 1295137659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine most necrophiliacs wouldn't actually fuck a dead guy < 1295137661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for, you know, safety reasons < 1295137663 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you hump the body so fast the friction creates spontaneous combustion < 1295137670 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count as cremation < 1295137684 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that also cause self-immolation? < 1295137686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fucking a fresh body doesn't sound very dangerous tho < 1295137696 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you're wearing an asbestos condom < 1295137706 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and besides, we're not even debating that aspect really :D < 1295137707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well it'd be a bit cold still < 1295137718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :muscles frozen up and stuff < 1295137729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno it still sounds unsanitary :D < 1295137740 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1295137755 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :asses are full of shit and still we stick our dicks in them without protection < 1295137768 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food Matters < 1295137774 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the name of the bullshit that she saw < 1295137823 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think the coldness would just be really hot if your fantasy is to fuck a dead body < 1295137850 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tried a cold fleshlight for instance and that works fine < 1295137867 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably will not die by writing a note from your own blood if it is one small part. But if you played mahjong with blood and your opponent won everything and they must remove all of your blood from one small hole in your arm (which is sterilized too), then it is different. < 1295137870 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for that purpose tho :D < 1295137885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: chilled with ice? < 1295137886 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295137889 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you say weird things < 1295137892 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1295137895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also, sane people don't stick their dicks in asses without protection :P < 1295137899 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a dead body would be room temperature, wouldn't it < 1295137921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: doesn't even have a wp page < 1295137922 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :with time, a dead body will approach ambient temperature < 1295137923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1528734/ < 1295137925 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in uncharted asses, no < 1295137930 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but asses in general < 1295137952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : You probably will not die by writing a note from your own blood if it is one small part. But if you played mahjong with blood and your opponent won everything and they must remove all of your blood from one small hole in your arm (which is sterilized too), then it is different. < 1295137953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what :D < 1295137958 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1TSND_enUS401US401&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Food+Matters%22 < 1295137977 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you play mahjong? Can you read Akagi manga book? < 1295137987 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g230229189.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1295137988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. it is physically impossible for me to read Akagi < 1295137990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would combust. < 1295138007 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the probabilities of catching std's are highly overestimated to scare young ppl into being safer, i've had unprotected sex with non-regular gf at least 4 times and i've caught only one std < 1295138008 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why would you? < 1295138012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic < 1295138013 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295138013 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if he/she dies during the act? that wouldn't be so unsanitary. i mean it's not like 50 milliseconds after death the corpse becomes a juicy tender sack of disease, riddled with bugs. it's not an old apple that's been in tupperware on the back of your car in the sun for too long < 1295138023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i have no words :D < 1295138029 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These books are real books they are not magic. < 1295138042 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:36 < oklopol> and the probabilities of catching std's are highly overestimated to scare young ppl into being safer, i've had unprotected sex with non-regular gf at least 4 times and i've caught only one std < 1295138044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy fuck < 1295138046 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not reassuring < 1295138049 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saw the trailer < 1295138054 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have *all* of the Akagi books, including the special edition. < 1295138057 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it was a joke < 1295138062 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you missed that < 1295138070 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the series is still on-going. < 1295138070 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow 0.999... = 1 discussion in #haskell < 1295138071 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1295138075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: but i already quoted it to everyone... < 1295138076 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's true, sure) < 1295138083 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it was a joke) < 1295138097 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: TROLL TIME < 1295138106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: IS IT TRUE OR NOT < 1295138124 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1295138130 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've caught an std < 1295138157 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. it was kinda unclear, they told me i MUST HAVE CAUGHT IT, and that they'd call me when it's confirmed, gave me the treatment and sent me away < 1295138161 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but didn't call me < 1295138177 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i suppose i didn't have it, or i had such a strong strain that they figured i'll just die anyway < 1295138261 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i suppose it's more likely that they were actually never going to call in the first place and i just misunderstood < 1295138264 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never listen to ppl < 1295138292 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: here? < 1295138305 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295138306 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in D&D game, my character had blue blood so I cut myself to use it to cover a potion to disguise its colors, so someone else doesn't know what color it is. < 1295138310 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1295138311 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: here? < 1295138317 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm here! < 1295138321 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but are you here? < 1295138327 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes. < 1295138330 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1295138332 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: they took a sample of your blood but there were no blood cells in there, only cancer cells infested by HIV < 1295138339 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you not here? < 1295138347 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you unignored cheater00 right? < 1295138350 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am not in your house. < 1295138358 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes I did. < 1295138359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you not not here? < 1295138367 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: :D < 1295138372 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not not where, to be specific? < 1295138379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not not there. < 1295138408 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: i've decided my body is naturally resistant to all forms of cancer < 1295138425 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I only ignored cheater00 for a short time, and even if I did not remove the ignore it is not persistent across sessions unless I put it in the init file for the IRC client) < 1295138428 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you're an Oklopol Realdoll < 1295138429 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are all gay about how dangerous it is, i've decided to take the higher road < 1295138452 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: aka mr. floppy < 1295138462 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how-ever-the-hell-you-call-it < 1295138465 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now they're using inconsistent theories < 1295138470 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED < 1295138481 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: the 0.999 vs 1 thing? < 1295138489 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, need to say bye to my friends who're off on a trip < 1295138490 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbs < 1295138522 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah say bye to your friend's whore < 1295138576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone copy and paste the interesting bits of the convo somewhee < 1295138577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*where < 1295138581 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: cale doesn't believe in an objective universe < 1295138590 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Cale the one who's being stupid? < 1295138598 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought he's like the smartest guy on ever < 1295138611 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no he isn't being stupid apart from that < 1295138627 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well I am not sure what it means, I'm interested < 1295138641 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which IRC clients do and do not persist ignores (and/or other things) across sessions? < 1295138653 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat persists it < 1295138688 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Does xchat have a init file? < 1295138691 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what a session is < 1295138696 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a pretty useless concept < 1295138697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1295138700 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: indeed < 1295138727 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What I mean by a session is when the program is loaded and then closed. Next time you run the program is the next session, memory from the previous session is gone. < 1295138733 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295138739 0 :sshc!~sshc@unaffiliated/sshc JOIN :#esoteric < 1295138753 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh alright < 1295138771 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Call it something else if you want to. < 1295138795 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sensible program ever had that concept, when you close a program and reopen it, obviously you start in the same state < 1295138823 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No, many program do not start automatically from where you left off. < 1295138838 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: they are retarded programs and can be ignored for the purposes of this argument < 1295138853 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :studying the empty set is much easier and purer < 1295138858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in @, it's impossible to write a program that obeys differently when you close it! < 1295138859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1295138860 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TeX will save state if you use \dump otherwise it will not do so) < 1295138863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could hook into disk save/disk load < 1295138870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't correspond to start/stop using necessarily at all < 1295138940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only way a program can tell it has been closed and reopened is that the system clock suddenly jumps < 1295138962 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would someone associate with this event the emptying of all state < 1295138987 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I suppose if that is the way, you can make it if you do not want to save state, instead delete it when you close and create a new copy with a nwe session ID and everything when you start back up. < 1295139008 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program does not need to be able to tell when it has been closed or not, because you can set state by user setting instead of by program setting. < 1295139021 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try to work my way through what you just said < 1295139024 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would also be useful to have multiple sessions, sometimes, such as working on multiple things. < 1295139031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol all mobs are invisible for me how amazing is that < 1295139042 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"delete it when you close" < 1295139069 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's the way it should be, even scarier than as is < 1295139107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D < 1295139125 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean is delete the copy of the session, and then you can create a new session from the copy of the initial program. < 1295139161 0 :sshc!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295139169 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" It would also be useful to have multiple sessions, sometimes, such as working on multiple things." <<< that is actually very true < 1295139182 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure starting and closing programs is the way to do that < 1295139202 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why the session should be separate from the program itself, even if sessions are allowed to persist. < 1295139212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why are they invisible? < 1295139218 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah < 1295139237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: some bug < 1295139248 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that actually sounds so scary < 1295139260 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd just occasionally hear the sound of something < 1295139271 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, perhaps, allow you to copy a session. < 1295139276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'm muted < 1295139276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oh god, where is it < 1295139283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so actually, i just started losing damage < 1295139284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being pushed < 1295139288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tried to run away but couldnt < 1295139289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*couldn't < 1295139290 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295139292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i didn't know where it was < 1295139293 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so cool < 1295139294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it killed me < 1295139300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1295139302 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghosts < 1295139317 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it should play monster sounds completely uncorrelated with actual monsters < 1295139318 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a game based on that < 1295139326 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hear a spider, nothing's there, but you walk a bit, and there's a zombie, totally silent, start losing health < 1295139330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fight it like a spider < 1295139331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :die horribly < 1295139348 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some games with some things invisible. < 1295139363 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including I modified the ROM for Super Mario game to make Mario to be invisible, too. < 1295139364 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of games? < 1295139376 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mario being invisible would be just annoying < 1295139383 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also one pinball game with the ball is invisible. < 1295139383 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as would mario enemies being invisible < 1295139383 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything should be invisible < 1295139386 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from terrain < 1295139387 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :third-person < 1295139393 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also that sounds just annoying :D < 1295139396 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrolling pseudorandomly triggered so you can't deduce your position from it < 1295139403 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all items, enemies, yourself, etc. are invisible and inaudible < 1295139412 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a game of luck isn't it < 1295139415 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pong < 1295139416 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there is invisible tetris (it is a mode in Lockjaw). < 1295139419 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm pinball < 1295139428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in pinball you already whack the flippers madly constantly anyway < 1295139434 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :invisible tetris xD < 1295139434 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Pinball is not just a game of luck, invisible or not; flippers or not. < 1295139435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst game ever < 1295139439 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes it is < 1295139446 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a game of < 1295139453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) pressing flippers when you see the ball (a monkey could do this) < 1295139453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1295139454 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do not whack the flippers madly. < 1295139458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) hoping it doesn't go straight in the middle < 1295139462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it does, constantly < 1295139463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's it < 1295139467 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it isn't. You also bump the table. < 1295139470 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should make a game that's like totally awesome, with contemporary 3d graphics, but everything is actually rendered as a black screen without sound < 1295139471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless < 1295139473 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if it is flipperless game. < 1295139474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it completely stops < 1295139476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case bump it once < 1295139481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: xD < 1295139482 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer flipperless pinball game. < 1295139505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh < 1295139507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :one control? < 1295139509 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no game with one control can be good < 1295139511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1295139512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need two < 1295139513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly two < 1295139518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or infinite < 1295139518 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1295139519 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like when we were making this one game which never came to be, we decided to make this big elaborate secret area that you *actually can't access in any way* < 1295139531 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, you have multiple controls. You can bump it in many different directions, and you can control the plunger. < 1295139539 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: stfu < 1295139543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: what game < 1295139547 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blends oklopol < 1295139548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ulimon! < 1295139553 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295139555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: also, there was one of those in some nintendo or something game < 1295139556 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1295139559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: contest winner got a special room < 1295139567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: except that it was only in the american version < 1295139568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokemon but with ulis... although it didn't have much to do with pokemon < 1295139572 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: and the american localisers removed the door < 1295139576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it was impossible to get to < 1295139582 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1295139590 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey elliott < 1295139596 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever read up on hyperreal numberz < 1295139599 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a real flipperless pinball game (without computer), you can bump in any direction you want and with different amounts of force. < 1295139618 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinball is rubbish < 1295139624 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so how goes oklocraft < 1295139630 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: guess! < 1295139636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: almost developed? < 1295139642 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Probably because you do not understand the strategy for playing the game. < 1295139650 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a strategy? < 1295139660 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: For pinball game, yes. < 1295139663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no, no, you see, my opinion is that it's rubbish < 1295139668 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a few bumps, the movement of the ball is random < 1295139686 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it usually bumps like 30 times before falling < 1295139708 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Timing is important. You cannot just bump it at randomly, you will almost certainly lose that way. < 1295139721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the flippers extended to the middle < 1295139724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone could beat the world record for pinball < 1295139729 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some pinballs there's some sort of plot like you have to hit a certain thing and then another thing etc, so you have aim those couple of first bumps right < 1295139729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :easily < 1295139746 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not because the ball could still fall between flippers in an unlucky situation! < 1295139752 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also have to pay attention to all of the lights and everything, and order of targets if it is important, the velocity of the ball, and more. < 1295139755 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then someone who's extremely unlucky will always keep on doing that < 1295139766 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you call aiming the first bump of the ball to be somewhere that gives a high amount of points "strategy"? < 1295139782 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: What is the elasticity of the flippers? < 1295139792 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No, that is only a small part of the game. < 1295139801 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to think about the entire game which is a lot more than just that. < 1295139828 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you do realize when you hit the ball, it hits the first couple things as you like, and then it just jumps around randomly < 1295139828 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1295139829 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The elasticity of the various objects in the table is very important. < 1295139845 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you make very precise hits that come back right away, is that the way pros play it? < 1295139848 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: speaking of elasticity.. i should play some gish < 1295139852 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gish! < 1295139854 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<4 < 1295139860 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1295139865 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you been playing it again? < 1295139869 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes it does do that sometimes, which is why you have to make precision and timing, and to think of how to recover from some things. < 1295139871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah no pinball is boring and unstrategic < 1295139875 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in ages < 1295139885 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1295139891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes it does do that sometimes" < 1295139892 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what? < 1295139923 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Moves in the different way than expected. < 1295139929 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you let the ball jump more then 2 times, you certainly can't predict *at all* what it's going to do < 1295139949 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what makes pinball a good game, you can do like that. < 1295139950 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@69.157.44.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295139954 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you can in (good) real pinballs < 1295139973 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like the pinball that came with windows nt 4 < 1295139974 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that hard to believe < 1295139984 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in start > programs > accessories < 1295139985 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295139991 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay maybe like 4 < 1295139991 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Which is why you might attempt to hit certain targets in order to turn on and off lights in order to improve the advantage that you might get with the ball moving different way. < 1295140039 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: as long as you really play the game in such a way that the ball returns down at least say every 3 bumps, i believe you're actually controlling the game. < 1295140054 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not just being good at catching the drops that almost go in the middle < 1295140073 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't *believe* that, but at least it could theoretically be possible < 1295140095 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play a pinball game called "JiggleBox". There are bumpers and drop targets and rollover targets with lights and stuff, but near the bottom, the ball can reenter the launch area, and then there is some holes, labeled "50", "100", "0", and "game over". < 1295140133 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you get the ball in a hole you get that many points and you lose the current ball (you get nine balls per game). If you get the ball in the hole labeled "game over", the game ends immediately, you lose all of your balls to play. < 1295140205 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when the ball is up high you try generally to hit targets and lights and points, and try not to make it too fast into the lower area; when it is in the lower area, try to recover so that the ball will touch the launch area, or the "100" hole, at least. < 1295140226 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the ball is high, you can control its movement? < 1295140256 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: By hitting the table so that the ball deflects off of bumpers and pins and walls and drop targets in various ways. < 1295140278 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Apparently you spawn in a random location of the first chunk in SMP. (reddit hearsay.) < 1295140281 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does hitting do? < 1295140322 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never used that because in all the pinballs i've played, it's just a small random move that is not really good for anything < 1295140322 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: When you hit the table it gives force to the table in the direction you hit it, moving everything in one way for a short time. < 1295140341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the ball's trajectory change? < 1295140366 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you just make the ball touch an object if it was already going near it < 1295140420 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It can, a little bit, depending on friction and stuff. But usually you just make the ball touch an object that it is near, in a certain way, to increase or reduce the force with which the ball touches that object. < 1295140423 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the trajectory doesn't change, that's just silly optimization < 1295140442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i think it's to make it bounce harder < 1295140452 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course the force is a vector quantity, which is also important. < 1295140465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in that case the trajectory certainly does change < 1295140477 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what? < 1295140493 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you're not really convinving me at all < 1295140494 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, to make it bounce harder or in a different direction. (Or, sometimes less hard) < 1295140507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah these are not good arguments < 1295140530 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not really telling me anything i didn't know < 1295140548 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i suppose it's hard to prove something that's not true < 1295140551 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD < 1295140563 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pinball is all based on physics. < 1295140576 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1295140582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is solitaire < 1295140585 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put the cards on top of each other < 1295140588 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's physcs < 1295140589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*physics < 1295140593 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, that doesn't count. < 1295140599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also chess, how do you think those pieces stay on the board < 1295140601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FRICTION bitches < 1295140619 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's based on physics, point is there's so little control the movement of the ball is essentially random < 1295140629 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Of course the games work because of physics, but chess is not a game of physics. < 1295140677 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It isn't. I know because I play pinball a lot and the control you have can improve the game a lot, even though there are many random movements of the ball. < 1295140712 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't seem to find youtube vids of people being good a pinball < 1295140716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might convince me a bit < 1295140751 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1295140777 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :See a picture of the pinball game http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_12/jigglebox.png < 1295140801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like pinball, it's bad < 1295140806 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with oklopol < 1295140808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :give us youtube videos < 1295140810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of good pinballing < 1295140890 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1295140915 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think she might not think that chemo is literally vit. C, just that it has the same effect as far as destroying cancer is conc.. wait, no < 1295140928 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume people can become really awesome in these games, but i still think 1) it's mostly about very rough estimates of how to stay safe, and never failing when it's possible to catch the ball 2) a casual player will never reach anything above randomness < 1295140982 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You are probably correct < 1295141027 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oklopol you're good at x86-64 asm right < 1295141029 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's possible the pro way is indeed to either 1) actually control the ball by hitting 2) make short between-control runs by hitting in places so that the ball just falls back < 1295141042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wait no why < 1295141043 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've read a book about it, i don't remember any of the actual operations though < 1295141045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*why "wait no" < 1295141046 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295141050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: right, so you get to write @'s kernel < 1295141072 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if either of 1 or 2 is used, i believe the game can become non-random < 1295141079 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked her how there could be different types of chemo, and she said different doses < 1295141112 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You can also use a combination of those techniques. < 1295141113 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't chemo = injecting some shit for fun + radiation < 1295141190 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so like, do you actually decide "okay, i'm going to hit that target, and then let the ball go to that other target there, then come back", or do you go "okay ima hit there", and then when it hits those two targets you go like yay i hit exactly what i wanted! < 1295141202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do the latter < 1295141211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've played a lot of pinball < 1295141237 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, only the windows pinball, so maybe there is essential difference in amount of control, but anyway. < 1295141262 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in windows pinball, you always choose like a mission by hitting these targets < 1295141270 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It is selected based on a few factors, such as the current velocity of the ball and the probability of certain things working. < 1295141272 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then based on that mission, you have to hit certain kinds of targets < 1295141301 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was all very random < 1295141323 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "put numbers in this prng and try to get 3452 to appear in the first 30 digits!" random < 1295141324 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so can you give us a youtube thing < 1295141337 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no YouTube things. < 1295141352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well get one, to show us pinball < 1295141363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : like "put numbers in this prng and try to get 3452 to appear in the first 30 digits!" random < 1295141365 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would play that < 1295141367 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there are no youtube videos of pinballing, then it's pretty obvious no one has ever become good at pinball < 1295141396 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a video where this guy picks a whole glass of snot from his nose in one minute < 1295141404 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pinball shouldn't really be excluded < 1295141409 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a lie < 1295141416 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1295141419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks i can taste snot now < 1295141436 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :once me and a friend tested whether you can drink coke through your nose and i drink a whole glass < 1295141446 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*drank < 1295141447 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I have played the Windows pinball. The up arrow is a dumb key for forward bump, so you can change it to spacebar (and set the plunger key to enter). But if you hold down the bump key for more than a small fraction of a second it goes on tilt, so release the keys very quickly after pushing them. < 1295141465 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah tilt is kinda stupid < 1295141496 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :either make hitting an essential part of the game mechanics and make like a bar that shows how much you have left to use or something, or just leave it out... < 1295141516 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tilt penalty is found less often on flipperless games than on flippered games. < 1295141532 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1295141538 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right, because it's copied from irl machines < 1295141549 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitting *is* an essential part of the game. < 1295141566 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the penalty is done completely wrong < 1295141566 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: did it burn your nose < 1295141572 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many flipperless games do not detect tilt. < 1295141586 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's copied from irl games where the system WAS MADE SO THAT NO ONE COULD HIT THE BOARD EVER < 1295141593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the tilt penalty, yeah < 1295141593 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like < 1295141595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :STOP THAT < 1295141598 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in real life does it beep < 1295141599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and punch you < 1295141601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you tilt it too hard < 1295141652 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It won't punch you, but some games will reboot if you tilt it too hard. < 1295141702 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose the point of tilt penalty is exactly that hitting makes the game less random, and you generally want your games to be random if people are paying to play them < 1295141711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise good players can play longer < 1295141716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want everyone to play for a short time < 1295141855 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, why not take hitting - a misfeature provided by reality in the irl pinballs - and then also add tilt penalty - a misfeature provided by the fact games are not actually made to be interesting, but to make money - to your computer game < 1295141868 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is wrong with these people < 1295141891 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really care < 1295142238 0 :drakhan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1295142268 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if you will be able to help to write user-documentation/tutorials for TeXnicard? < 1295142587 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know *i* can't, if that helps! < 1295142589 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1295142597 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just weird < 1295142604 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :pikhq < 1295142613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i fell on some crap earlier today and now my pants are all smelly < 1295142617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no what < 1295142631 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well you know that question you once asked < 1295142641 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: You can't? Do you know why you can't? < 1295142647 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh the dog food right < 1295142653 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1295142660 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: one of the other ones < 1295142661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what < 1295142667 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1295142667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1295142672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey pikhq < 1295142673 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me copy it for you < 1295142681 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you seem to be a bit short on the brain today. < 1295142681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> eval (Lam (\x -> Lam (\y -> x))) < 1295142681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval (Lam (\v0 -> (Lam (\v1 -> v0)))) < 1295142705 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oklopol: did it burn your nose" < 1295142708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295142718 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coke burns my nose < 1295142732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try < 1295142740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but i've had it come out of my nose < 1295142741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that burns < 1295142746 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i wrote the most lovely lambda calculus in haskell just now < 1295142752 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :realy < 1295142758 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAT < 1295142763 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:54 < elliott> *Main> eval (Lam (\x -> Lam (\y -> x))) < 1295142763 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:54 < elliott> eval (Lam (\v0 -> (Lam (\v1 -> v0)))) < 1295142766 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail < 1295142773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: howso < 1295142775 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alpha evaluation LOL < 1295142779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: nope < 1295142780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not how it works < 1295142780 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just being silly < 1295142782 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1295142800 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i based it on http://sneezy.cs.nott.ac.uk/fplunch/weblog/?p=95 which you've probably seen < 1295142803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be down < 1295142804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:joFRT78UzLkJ:sneezy.cs.nott.ac.uk/fplunch/weblog/%3Fp%3D95+http://sneezy.cs.nott.ac.uk/fplunch/weblog/%3Fp%3D95&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk < 1295142813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but, i used HOAS instead of de bruijn < 1295142823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: and now the evaluator and the quoter are crazy bidirectional! < 1295142843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: http://sprunge.us/ZEeS < 1295142856 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: obviously if you just want an evaluator, you can ditch Var, SVar, showSyn and the Show instances < 1295142858 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1295142859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even nf < 1295142870 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes it literally just... 7 lines < 1295142875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i counted) < 1295142882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Syn = Lam (Syn -> Syn) | App Syn Syn < 1295142882 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found what report DVItype is part of (which is why it starts on page 402 instead of page 1), it is TeXware, it is listed in the bibliography for TeX. But there is no ISBN? < 1295142885 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Sem = Sem (Sem -> Sem) < 1295142886 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1295142888 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval :: Syn -> Sem < 1295142893 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval (Lam f) = Sem (\x -> eval (f (quote x))) < 1295142895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval (App f x) = f' (eval x) where Sem f' = eval f < 1295142899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote :: Sem -> Syn < 1295142899 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote (Sem f) = Lam (\x -> quote (f (eval x))) < 1295142901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: that's all you need < 1295142910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey those functions are eval . f . quote < 1295142912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quote . f . eval :DD < 1295142917 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice < 1295142963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> nf (Lam (\x -> Lam (\y -> Lam (\z -> App (App x y) z)))) < 1295142963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lam (\v0 -> (Lam (\v1 -> (Lam (\v2 -> *** Exception: /home/elliott/Code/lc/second.hs:9:35-49: Irrefutable pattern failed for pattern Main.Sem f' < 1295142964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1295142966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll fix that < 1295142970 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll get uglier < 1295142997 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/img_12/jigglebox.png < 1295143001 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /home/elliott/Code/lc/second.hs:9:35-49: Irrefutable pattern failed < 1295143001 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the flippers floppers < 1295143004 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : for pattern Main.Sem f' < 1295143007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yeah < 1295143008 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONT USE TYPES HE SAID, IT WILL BE OKAY HE SAID. < 1295143012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::DD < 1295143013 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: That is a flipperless game, there are no flippers. < 1295143023 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: basically the problem is, (App (SVar i) ...) doesn't work < 1295143027 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1295143028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not sure how to fix that without it being horrible < 1295143032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :any ideas? < 1295143035 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh? just hitting or? < 1295143052 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or no control at all? :D < 1295143055 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be cool < 1295143060 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, just hitting. (Actually there is one more thing you can control -- the launch strength.) < 1295143088 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer allows hitting in five directions. < 1295143089 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... that's fortuna, not pinball? < 1295143102 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is fortuna? < 1295143103 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more pointless a game < 1295143158 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet is not flowing so i can't check if the name is international or just the name of a particular type of that game no one knows outside my apartment < 1295143159 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :JiggleBox is a pinball game, just without flippers. If you are good at it you might be able to hit all of the drop targets twice per game. < 1295143187 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, pinball games last for like 15 minutes before ball drops out.. < 1295143202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly a game of stamina... < 1295143205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: oh i know... < 1295143214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: if i just implement an evaluator that works on pure Syn it would work :D < 1295143215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uglyyy < 1295143222 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: If you are good at it you can make it last longer. < 1295143250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: or actually, I could put Add in Sem, but that is ugly! < 1295143261 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:02 < Mahcaut> ⓘⓢ ⓘⓣ ⓣⓡⓤⓔ ⓣⓗⓐⓣ ⓘⓝⓣ ⓢⓘⓝ(ⓧ) ⓘⓝⓕ ❸.1❹ < 1295143265 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:02 < Mahcaut> ⓞⓞⓟⓢ < 1295143270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ...xDDDD < 1295143274 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :longer than 15 minutes? sure, that was just an indication of what kind of game pinball is, since "you might be able to hit all of the drop targets twice per game" sounded a bit less < 1295143276 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :than 15 minutes < 1295143279 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that #math < 1295143317 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes it does usually last less than 15 minutes. But sometimes it will go on longer. < 1295143335 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, the drop targets are not the entire game; mostly you hit the other things.) < 1295143343 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you don't hit at all, it just falls down or? < 1295143355 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or jumps around just as long < 1295143358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just as randomly < 1295143381 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: The ball might just fall down, but it might also jump around. Usually it will jump around for a while and then fall down before you have many points. < 1295143395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: < 1295143397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> (Lam (\x -> Lam (\y -> Lam (\z -> App (App x y) z)))) < 1295143397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lam (\v0 -> (Lam (\v1 -> (Lam (\v2 -> (App (App v0 v1) v2))))))) < 1295143397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> eval (Lam (\x -> Lam (\y -> Lam (\z -> App (App x y) z)))) < 1295143397 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval (Lam (\v0 -> (Lam (\v1 -> (Lam (\v2 -> *** Exception: /home/elliott/Code/lc/second.hs:9:35-49: Irrefutable pattern failed for pattern Main.Fun f' < 1295143401 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yep, my Sem is insufficient < 1295143407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. quote isn't total) < 1295143471 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are not good at the game, you will probably fail to hit all of the drop targets even once. < 1295143505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> eval (Lam (\x -> Lam (\y -> Lam (\z -> App (App x y) z)))) < 1295143505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval (Lam (\v0 -> (Lam (\v1 -> (Lam (\v2 -> (App (App v0 v1) v2))))))) < 1295143506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1295143506 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1295143506 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /'\ < 1295143550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> eval (App (Lam (\x -> x)) (Lam (\x -> x))) < 1295143550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval (Lam (\v0 -> v0)) < 1295143553 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it works, how amazing is that < 1295143557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 lines < 1295143570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-lines extended with full printing functionality that actually works as Show < 1295143574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the result is valid Haskell < 1295143574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295143579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with the same result always) < 1295143602 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:08 < gnee> lol 50% IS math < 1295143602 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:09 < joo> It's like undone math cake. < 1295143602 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:09 < gnee> lol < 1295143602 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:09 < Mahcaut> ⓘⓢ ⓘⓣ ⓣⓡⓤⓔ ⓣⓗⓐⓣ ʃ ⓢⓘⓝ(ⓧ/ⓨ) ∝ ξ < 1295143605 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1295143759 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: what the fuck is this xD < 1295143787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok i need a tip < 1295143787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : how do you get the limits of factorials < 1295143787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ? < 1295143811 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1295143832 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: is it bad if my Sem type contains things that could be evaluated further? < 1295143838 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my defence, my functions never produce such values < 1295143898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i'm asking for, like, spiritual guidance here < 1295143935 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is bad < 1295143961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but i need it to do proper showing! :P < 1295143977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: the only other way is to have an extra type with its own evaluator for no real reason... < 1295143990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: basically, you could say (SApp (Fun ...) ...), even though that should never happen < 1295143992 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really for < 1295143997 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SApp (SVar 42) ...) < 1295143998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the like < 1295143999 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whta is it trying to do? < 1295144034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: http://sprunge.us/dCVK < 1295144048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Var, SApp, and SVar exist solely to support showing < 1295144053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but the only problematic one is SApp < 1295144067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that you can construct (SApp (Fun ...) ...), which should be reduced to ((...) ...) < 1295144078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no function there ever constructs that < 1295144080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can manually < 1295144097 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sem shouldn't be the same as Syn < 1295144108 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: well it isn't < 1295144110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just grew into that < 1295144112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this one special case < 1295144115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is _not_ a mirror < 1295144119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SApp is used differently to App < 1295144125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you suggest I do this? < 1295144140 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what? < 1295144144 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1295144145 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1295144153 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know what the goal is < 1295144167 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: < 1295144172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Syn = Lam (Syn -> Syn) | App Syn Syn < 1295144172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Sem = Fun (Sem -> Sem) < 1295144172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval :: Syn -> Sem < 1295144172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval (Lam f) = Fun (eval . f . quote) < 1295144172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval (App f x) = f' (eval x) where Fun f' = eval f < 1295144173 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote :: Sem -> Syn < 1295144175 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote (Fun f) = Lam (quote . f . eval) < 1295144182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend Syn and preferably Sem to have a Show instance < 1295144189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the most elegant, clean and short way possible < 1295144197 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait how you can quote that Sem < 1295144202 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tohught you have to have a variable thing in there < 1295144208 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: HOA < 1295144209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*HOAS < 1295144224 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it's beautiful :D < 1295144234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how the Lam and Fun cases are mirrors of each other < 1295144451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: any ideas on how to extend it? < 1295144468 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ext,md < 1295144471 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend to what/? < 1295144489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : extend Syn and preferably Sem to have a Show instance < 1295144489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : in the most elegant, clean and short way possible < 1295144504 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need a syntax without lambda in is < 1295144505 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in it < 1295144514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: eh? < 1295144520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it works fine with those, you just pass a gensym < 1295144521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much < 1295144530 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like SYN = Lam Name SYN | ... < 1295144543 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yeah but isn't that the same as basically passing a gensym < 1295144551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's because you can't really evaluate (f x) where f is a free variable < 1295144556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ok so do you suggest i make this a third type? < 1295144562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syn, Sem, NameSyn? < 1295144589 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well maybe it is the same as GENSYM, but what I mean is that the lambda in Syn is completely cosmetic. Whereas the lambda in Sem is actually essential < 1295144604 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/dhld6 < 1295144604 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/dhld6 < 1295144605 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/a/dhld6 < 1295144637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1295144648 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Fortytwo < 1295144680 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm what should i call the new type :D < 1295144683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NamedSyn is so ugly < 1295144723 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: TrueType < 1295144855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i can't write Syn -> Named < 1295144859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'd have to pass a gensym < 1295144878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I don't think there is *any* way of doing this without introducing a dummy Var type into Syn < 1295144883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which then requires a brother in Sem < 1295145025 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S < 1295145026 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=65201 stole my fucking name < 1295145041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yeah i'm lost as to how to do it... < 1295145045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is where HOAS fails < 1295145052 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HOAS is stupid :/ < 1295145055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i know...maybe... < 1295145058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but really elegant for this < 1295145061 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's no fold on it < 1295145068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1295145070 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC) < 1295145120 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, http://i.imgur.com/m4W5N.png < 1295145252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: hey wow how did you get it rendering like that < 1295145253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is sweet < 1295145259 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: LaTeX < 1295145270 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which is just hte problem.... < 1295145277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but, err, it looks like you're mixing up your polynomials and your renderings of polynomials < 1295145287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I would put the rendering code in another module or whatever to avoid clashing? < 1295145301 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is amazing though < 1295145309 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's the problem X)_ < 1295145315 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: why can't you do that :) < 1295145333 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can do polynomials on their own, and modular arithmetic on it's own.. But how do I do polynomials with modular arithmetic coefficients? < 1295145354 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I have to start combining LaTeX cleverly) < 1295145418 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: every. single. thing... I add to this program ends up being a huge hassle < 1295145431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ok i need to ask you < 1295145441 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: why are you representing things with their latex display?!?!??!! < 1295145448 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wdhat do you mean < 1295145449 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1295145453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maintain polynomials as abstract objects and then handle rendering to latex in another module < 1295145457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like the only sane thing to do by far ... < 1295145565 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I cna't be bothered fixing this I just wish it waws done < 1295145582 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: well it seems like your program is structured very wrongly < 1295145584 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*structured very < 1295145591 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :realyl? :P < 1295145596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it's like you've defined + on IO Ints instead of Ints < 1295145603 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1295145604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, why would you even do that < 1295145609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :latex is a separate thing! < 1295145756 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fix my program < 1295145761 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1295145766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: gimme the file :P < 1295145774 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a whole bunch of fiels < 1295145776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, only if you help program scapegoat < 1295145779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: tar it up then < 1295145780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or put it in < 1295145781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1295145783 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scapegoat repository < 1295145792 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolj < 1295145807 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1 of putting smoething in a scapegoat repo: Implement scapegoat? < 1295145808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> showVarred 0 (varify (Lam (\x -> x))) < 1295145808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(\\v0 -> ((\\v1 -> ((\\v2 -> ((\\v3 -> ((\\v4 -> ((\\v5 -> ((\\v6 -> ((\\v7 -> ((\\v8 -> ((\\v9 -> ((\\v10 -> ((\\v11 -> ((\\v12 -> ((\\v13 -> ((\\v14 -> ((\\v15 -> ((\\v16 -> ((\\v17 -> ((\\v18 -> ((\\v19 -> ((\\v20 -> ((\\v21 -> ((\\v22 -> ((\\v23 -> ((\\v24 -> ((\\v25 -> ((\\v26 -> ((\\v27 -> ((\\v28 -> ((\\v29 -> ((\\v30 -> ((\\v31 -> ((\\v32 -> ((\\v33 -> ((\\v34 -> ((\\v35 -> ((\\v36 -> ((\\v37 -> ((\\v38 -> ((\\v39 -> ((\\v40 -> ((\\v41 - < 1295145808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((\\v42 -> ((\\v43 -> ((\\v44 -> ((\\v45 -> ((\\v46 -> ((\\v47 -> ((\\v48 -> ((\\v49 -> ((\\v50 -> ((\\v51 -> ((\\v52 -> ((\\v53 -> ((\\v54 -> ((\\v55 -> ((\\v56 -> ((\\v57 -> ((\\v58 -> ((\\v59 -> ((\\v60 -> ((\\v61 -> ((\\v62 -> ((\\v63 -> ((\\v64 -> ((\\v65 -> ((\\v66 -> ((\\v67 -> ((\\v68 -> ((\\v69 -> ((\\v70 -> ((\\v71 -> ((\\v72 -> ((\\v73 -> ((\\v74 -> ((\\v75 -> ((\\v76 -> ((\\v77 -> ((\\v78 -> ((\\v79 -> ((\\v80 -> ((\\v81 -> ((\\v82 < 1295145809 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `->' < 1295145811 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> ((\\v83 -> ((\\v84 -> ((\\v85 -> ((\\v86 -> ((\\v87 -> ((\\v88 -> ((\\v89 -> ((\\v90 -> ((\\v91 -> ((\\v92 -> ((\\v93 -> ((\\v94 -> ((\\v95 -> ((\\v96 -> ((\\v97 -> ((\\v98 -> ((\\v99 -> ((\\v100 -> ((\\v101 -> ((\\v102 -> ((\\v103 -> ((\\v104 -> ((\\v105 -> ((\\v106 -> ((\\v107 -> ((\\v108 -> ((\\v109 -> ((\\v110 -> ((\\v111 -> ((\\v112 -> ((\\v113 -> ((\\v114 -> ((\\v115 -> ((\\v116 -> ((\\v117 -> ((\\v118 -> ((\\v119 -> ((\\v120 -> ((\\v121 < 1295145816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> ((\\v122 -> ((\\v123 -> ((\\v124 -> ((\\v125 -> ((\\v126 -> ((\\v127 -> ((\\v128 -> ((\\v129 -> ((\\v130 -> ((\\v131 -> ((\\v132 -> ((\\v133 -> ((\\v134 -> ((\\v135 -> ((\\v136 -> ((\\v137 -> ((\\v138 -> ((\\v139 -> ((\\v140 -> ((\\v141 -> ((\\v142 -> ((\\v143 -> ((\\v144 -> ((\\v145 -> ((\\v146 -> ((\\v147 -> ((\\v148 -> ((\\v149 -> ((\\v150 -> ((\\v151 -> ((\\v152 -> ((\\v153 -> ((\\v154 -> ((\\v155 -> ((\\v156 -> ((\\v157 -> ((\\v158 -> < 1295145821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i think my code is broken < 1295145823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that's step one < 1295145824 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why you shouldn't use /exec -o ^ < 1295145830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wasn't exec -o < 1295145833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was copy and paste magic! < 1295145923 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea didn't work :( < 1295145924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoas is lame < 1295145925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1295145931 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1295145935 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people really love HOAS I think < 1295145982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it's so cool except you CAN'T FUCKING PRINT SHIT OUT < 1295145996 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: so are you totally coding scapegoat < 1295146029 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1295146040 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you never said how it works < 1295146051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: quite well! < 1295146056 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1295146087 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dogs got no nose < 1295146103 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like a pair of curtains < 1295146133 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pull yourself terrible < 1295146542 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: A LaTeX object will render "\\sqrt{2}" for example... what should that stsring be called? < 1295146558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: where it can be any object being rendered? < 1295146559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: "latex" < 1295146588 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(struct latex (string) ...) <-- need a better name for the string :/ < 1295146591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: seriously though... you want to make polynomial an abstract structure, now, and have one function to do latex rendering < 1295146594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd do < 1295146599 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to-latex poly1) < 1295146600 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm rewriting it now :P < 1295146602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get that picture out < 1295146603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1295146604 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: make it < 1295146606 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: uh < 1295146609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: call it "code" < 1295146619 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: wait, what is the rest of struct latex < 1295146620 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1295146624 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this doesn't even work < 1295146627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: wait, what is the rest of struct latex < 1295146644 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna know :) < 1295146685 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it has a custom print method to render and display itself < 1295146695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: so it has only one field? < 1295146699 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1295146707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I suggest you ditch that model. < 1295146729 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1295146730 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Have to-latex, taking a polynomial, and outputting a LaTeX string. Then have render-latex, taking a LaTeX string, and outputting a Racket picture. < 1295146738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Then have render, which is just render-latex . to-latex < 1295146747 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: This will be much simpler, and you don't have to come up with variable names :-) < 1295146756 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Structures with one element are a bit iffy in Scheme I would say, they feel wrong < 1295146772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that you can use a single type for many semantic meanings in Scheme and derivatives < 1295146786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you can do things nicely with an existing type, such as strings and pictures, you should < 1295146797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: try that model, I think it'll turn out cleanly < 1295146844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why did you remove the gio dependency from mcmap? < 1295146887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also: Can I factor out the platform-specific bits (i.e. the ifdef WIN32/else) into a win32.c and a posix.c, so that the rest of the code just calls functions? ifdef-portability really irks me. < 1295147006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: Oh, look at that; hMod isn't going to be updated. < 1295147007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ^ < 1295147015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stock Minecraft server until Bukkit comes out which will take months. < 1295147053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1295149507 0 :res0001!~res@96-35-248-155.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295150745 0 :res0001!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1295152949 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1295154796 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1295158953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to do it with raw sockets to fix the Windows build (since GIO sockets there are just too broken); since I had that in place already I realized I could just use the same code for both. Also "yes", assuming it doesn't go all messy-looking from that. < 1295160287 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1295160430 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, so hMod won't be updated because they couldn't figure out how to do that even after being "all day" at it; everyone knows that either you can do it in a day or else it's just impossible. < 1295160472 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, just because they won't doesn't mean someone else won't go through the trouble of cobbling together a build. < 1295160653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Bukkit is enterprisey enough to have trouble with "licensing issues" such that they need to "get in contact with Mojang to discuss what we're doing". < 1295160685 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft server mods seem to be serious business. < 1295160924 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, someone's public server (the alarmingly named "FurMine") is listed as to having a beta 1.2 hMod build. < 1295161040 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a Finnish server ("Kemicraft") says they're running 1.2_01 with their own unofficial hMod build. < 1295161234 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They also sell "VIP privileges" == access to a kit for 3/5/10 EUR -- steel/diamond/both kits -- on Kemicraft. That's enterprisey in a whole another way.) < 1295161856 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295162028 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIICHI!!! < 1295162074 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rîti? < 1295162139 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, same thing. < 1295162152 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Care to explain the significance thereof? < 1295162174 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Mahjong. < 1295162181 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, *duh*. < 1295162277 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how many different names the normal chess game is called by? < 1295162323 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1295162455 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can you make out from this chess position? http://play.chessvariants.org/pbm/play.php?game=123456+Chess&log=maeko-makov333-2009-359-344 < 1295162584 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Probably gets worse when you realise that chess has a freaking *family tree* going on. < 1295162596 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that each one has its own name. < 1295162740 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The normal chess game is called FIDE chess, Orthochess, Orthodox chess, International chess, Western chess, and the "Mad Queen" variant. < 1295162801 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's just in English. >:D < 1295162926 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's just in English. < 1295163143 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know any more that are used in English? < 1295163191 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Normal chess". < 1295163250 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, of course. And also "chess" < 1295163645 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1295163650 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What can you figure out from this chess position? < 1295163672 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the black player's turn. What move? < 1295163777 0 :unenana!~unenana@ANantes-552-1-149-251.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1295163848 0 :unenana!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1295163997 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see five ways to get out of check. Can you find more? < 1295164266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roll one of those d6's? < 1295164276 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not allowed. < 1295164310 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You may increase one of them by one, though. But doing so would not get you out of check, anyways.) < 1295164566 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1295164799 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1295164800 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1295165409 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@p4FF6817C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1295165412 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1295165412 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295165965 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295165967 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The black player is going to lose the queen. < 1295165996 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295166471 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1295167555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ineiros: Oh, look at that; hMod isn't going to be updated. < 1295167555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: ^ < 1295167555 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stock Minecraft server until Bukkit comes out which will take months. < 1295167560 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, nothing to do about it < 1295167563 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(source?) < 1295167619 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1295167621 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1295169951 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295170680 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to knock a channel because I was not invited, but I do not believe there is anyone there. < 1295170831 0 :MigoMipo!~John@84-217-14-42.tn.glocalnet.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295172365 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer me! < 1295172368 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Answer me! < 1295173060 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@86.241.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295173066 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1295173130 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone have a TRS-80? < 1295173832 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=65201 <<< this guy is an idiot, you have 3 dimensions in minecraft, which basically lets you do this already, and even his trivial diagrams aren't optimal < 1295173839 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait umm < 1295173864 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :scratch that < 1295173871 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's so stupid i don't need an argument < 1295173970 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you could color more objects than just wool < 1295173978 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then redstone would be one of those < 1295174028 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and also i think that's a good idea, just that the guy is an idiot :D < 1295174067 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"only an idiot would come up with this particular good idea" < 1295174087 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : o < 1295174336 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psssht, bluestone is bettr. < 1295174339 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*better < 1295174499 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely, that would be a very small-scale thing only useful, but it'd take 3 minutes to implement < 1295174506 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-only useful < 1295174517 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did some heavy refactoring on that sentence < 1295174560 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is your bluestone like exactly < 1295174580 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just a general idea of what you can do with it or some actual spex < 1295174638 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It allows more interactions with the environment and requires constant power, basically. < 1295174736 0 :Wamanuz4!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295174803 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what are those interactions < 1295174894 0 :Wamanuz3!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1295174934 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if i find bluestone ore, what can i do with it, can i make a bluestone block? can i eat it? can i feed it to a creeper to make it walk backwards? < 1295175044 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, well, you can wire things together with it. < 1295175092 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, okay? < 1295175102 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make them move? < 1295175121 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the things to do was to have a more elegant wiring system. < 1295175130 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Redstone's is too clunky. < 1295175202 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err k < 1295175212 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you had moving blocks and shit < 1295175219 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how is the wiring system more elegant? < 1295175241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :More compact, can be put on roofs and walls etc. < 1295175257 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just make redstone do thate < 1295175258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1295175271 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, probably. < 1295175331 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1295175341 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should've asked elliott < 1295175358 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'd've been all like AND THEN LET ME IMPROVISE SOME SEMANTICS FOR HOW BLUESTONE MOVES BLOCKS AROUND < 1295175658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe if you could color more objects than just wool <-- iirc someone was working on a mod for stained glass < 1295175690 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't work on SMP as it currently stands due to needing to add new stuff client side for it < 1295175726 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1295175836 0 :drakhan!~drakhan@c34-243.icpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1295175846 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, he would also be be like "omg lets add lava and TNT to it" or such. < 1295175867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nothing wrong with that, in moderation) < 1295176210 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a bluestone signal is sent to lav < 1295176211 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1295176216 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a huge lava monster is born < 1295176231 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also < 1295176238 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when bluestone signal is applied to tnt < 1295176245 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a huge tnt monster is born < 1295176258 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a creeper but slightly deadlier. < 1295176560 0 :acetoline!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1295177043 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1295177327 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, "slightly"? < 1295177409 0 :drakhan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi there. < 1295177443 0 :drakhan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I think, many people in here are interested in esoteric, spiritual development, occult, yes? < 1295177502 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drakhan, no. It is about esoteric programming languages < 1295177640 0 :drakhan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, my bad :x < 1295177726 0 :Tritonio_GR!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295177914 0 :drakhan!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1295178493 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been a while since we had a neopagan. < 1295178958 0 :Wamanuz5!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295179073 0 :Wamanuz4!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295179220 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome doesn't have AdBlock Plus. < 1295179225 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1295180171 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295180316 0 :Wamanuz5!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1295182888 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1295183135 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1295183828 0 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295183966 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295184149 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1295184525 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1295184667 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1295184897 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1295185130 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295185189 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295186186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295186489 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295187083 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295187236 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295187415 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1295188108 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1295189506 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1295189850 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1295189984 0 :Wamanuz!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295190472 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"B has got it into her nut that A is in love with her. Now until recently, B was engaged to ... errr" "Shall we call him C, sir?" "Well alright, Caesar is as good a name as any." < 1295190536 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1295190783 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295190812 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181136042.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1295190834 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember the names one cryptologist used that were real names but pronounced like A and B < 1295190842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Bea was one of them < 1295190850 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1295190873 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one was something irish-like and thus impossible to guess the spelling of < 1295190944 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abhmnghe? < 1295190948 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and iirc it was male < 1295190954 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not _that_ absurd < 1295190969 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like aeion or the like, i think < 1295191268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1295191270 0 :Tritonio!~TrT@athedsl-259991.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1295191272 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aodh and Bea < 1295191279 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1295191318 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wikipedia's Irish name article to the rescue) < 1295191359 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Card Colm's column is where i saw it first < 1295191521 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um *-'s < 1295191548 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaoSzCfa9OM < 1295191554 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1295191681 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1295191847 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable! < 1295191998 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1295192003 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant! < 1295192020 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Phantom_Hoover < 1295192027 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows it going < 1295192053 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left. < 1295192100 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :07:13:54 * oerjan tries to remember the names one cryptologist used that were real names but pronounced like A and B < 1295192112 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone deviated form Alice and Bob? TREASON < 1295192114 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, neat < 1295192153 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it wasn't actually cryptology btw, it was mathematical card games < 1295192159 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially like how it's all sunk into the ground to what must be the same depth as the height of those example cells < 1295192348 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1295192368 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1295192756 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1295192790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1295192830 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't beleive in caetgory theory you will be eater by sabre toothed tigers < 1295192855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :category theory is like GOD, how can you BELIEVE in it!!!OI < 1295192858 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time you say you don't believe in category theory a fairy dies. < 1295192874 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0894694/agda-course/ < 1295192877 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wdat's it going to teach? < 1295192877 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Uncomment to get a beep at grub start < 1295192878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#GRUB_INIT_TUNE="480 440 1" < 1295192880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1295192883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can make it play a tune < 1295192887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best day < 1295192894 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: so you'll be gored by big cats? < 1295192903 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*groan* < 1295192925 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hey i wouldn't even have noticed if not for the egregious misspellings < 1295192933 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295193042 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1295193091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1295193142 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1295193295 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant, I could always break in if given suitable payment. < 1295193326 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, and I can use the opportunity to kidnap Conor McBride. < 1295193398 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295193545 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you have to pay? < 1295193566 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1295193568 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1295193578 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://i.imgur.com/J0U4t.png < 1295193580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have other things to waste my time on. < 1295193587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Kernel modesetting isn't supported by the native nvidia drivers, right? < 1295193613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: great! did you try my idea of ditching the latex type? < 1295193616 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1295193621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :psht :p < 1295193630 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this? < 1295193636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, did you still not make polynomials abstract objects? < 1295193643 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.lisp.org/display/118670 < 1295193658 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my generic function system < 1295193663 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ouch... i'm not sure you want to do that < 1295193670 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do what < 1295193672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that < 1295193679 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :be specific < 1295193680 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming, ever again < 1295193683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that whole paste :P < 1295193697 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't actually open the file < 1295193764 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Okay you should see my actual code first, because maybe you have imagined it is different than it is < 1295193773 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible < 1295193881 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reboots < 1295193926 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : programming, ever again <-- what < 1295193962 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://i.imgur.com/sI2Ot.png & http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=XWS1MuCj < 1295194033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295194080 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" do what" " programming, ever again" < 1295194127 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured if elliott isn't direct about it, it must be pretty devastating < 1295194155 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if elliott was a doctor and a guy had cancer he'd go to the guy and say "hey mister X, you have cancer" < 1295194169 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1295194183 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the guy'd be like "oh my god, is it terminal" and elliott would be all like "yes." < 1295194222 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1295194234 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU KILLED THEM BOTH < 1295194243 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts getting nervous < 1295194258 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1295194266 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, zombie < 1295194300 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the me who'd be his secretary would go all like isn't terminal cancer one despair-filled can, sir < 1295194309 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and elliott would go like "lol, classic oklo" < 1295194329 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the guy would leave because he thought elliott was an occultist doctor < 1295194352 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295194372 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's actually just a completely insane doctor that specializes in curing methods that aren't at all practical, just weird. < 1295194388 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone would be mining the walls of the hospital all day < 1295194400 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm having a dream < 1295194404 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft hospital! < 1295194410 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to go steal some yoghurt -> < 1295194419 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, extcore! I think I could build jonguilexiphonaugh on that (http://hackage.haskell.org/package/extcore) < 1295194430 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: beware of creepers in the corridors! < 1295194447 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You pay taxes in the form of wheat and then there's just a dispenser that throws bread at you. < 1295194451 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1295194451 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm yohgurt < 1295194458 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a typo < 1295194469 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo, hgurt < 1295194477 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My yog hurts! < 1295194493 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: too much yoga! < 1295194542 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :beware of yog sothoth < 1295194687 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295194860 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION falls into a pit of boredom < 1295194866 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1295194875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ubuntu is working stupidly well < 1295194904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:09:15 if elliott was a doctor and a guy had cancer he'd go to the guy and say "hey mister X, you have cancer" < 1295194904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:09:43 and then the guy'd be like "oh my god, is it terminal" and elliott would be all like "yes." < 1295194904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1295194912 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's certainly good to hear that ubuntu is so good at working stupidly! < 1295194919 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have caused the cancer, naturally. < 1295194927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i see that code but i still think you should do it my way :) < 1295194942 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i'm awesome, you see < 1295194983 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but then j-invariant might get an awesomeness overdose! have you thought of THAT? < 1295194989 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tru < 1295195002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: what I would do is: (define (render x) (texvc-render (to-latex x))) < 1295195006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: then, using your generic thing < 1295195014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(define-generic-procedure (to-latex x) define-latex) < 1295195019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: and they return strings < 1295195022 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :render flesh < 1295195033 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: then you can just do (to-latex 3) to get "3" and (render 3) to get $3$ < 1295195050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: oh and btw i'm sure Racket already has a library for multiple-dispatch style stuff like you are doing with define-generic procedure < 1295195059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a proper type system too rather than using predicates like that < 1295195074 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295195153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:13:39 ah, extcore! I think I could build jonguilexiphonaugh on that (http://hackage.haskell.org/package/extcore) < 1295195153 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally < 1295195219 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You know, Minecraft is sorta like Eversion Lite. < 1295195236 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the major obstacle for making progress on that is that I need a frontend for the source language, and I think haskell should be fine as that source language < 1295195267 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ...*how*? < 1295195288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, it's like *LEGO*. For kids." "Sheesh, this grass is obnoxiously bright. And I'm this stupid block-guy?" "And I make a little cute house. How wonderful and mature." "Hey, this cave looks interesting." "Bit dark in here, oh well." [hurrrrrrrrng] "WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT" [slrrrrrrp] "AH OH GOD WHAT ARE YOU I'M DYING OH FUCK" [You died!] < 1295195293 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, I'll need to check that I can actually use GHC Core directly :) < 1295195308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I said SORTA < 1295195318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what is it, again? < 1295195327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kim jong-ilasjoifjofdgjkhklfjgh < 1295195337 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not much more than a name :) < 1295195448 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: jonguilexiphonaugh, I don't see why you have such problems spelling it :P < 1295195454 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1295195467 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so you are totally going to use SCAPEGOAT to manage the jonguilexiphonaugh repository??????? < 1295195470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes???? < 1295195477 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might if you tell me what the heck that is < 1295195497 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have an implementation yet? < 1295195599 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1295196057 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, down? < 1295196081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not _yet_, but i am actually working on it < 1295196090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : j-invariant: what I would do is: (define (render x) (texvc-render (to-latex x))) < 1295196090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : j-invariant: then, using your generic thing < 1295196090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : (define-generic-procedure (to-latex x) define-latex) < 1295196090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : j-invariant: and they return strings < 1295196090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : j-invariant: then you can just do (to-latex 3) to get "3" and (render 3) to get $3$ < 1295196093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : j-invariant: oh and btw i'm sure Racket already has a library for multiple-dispatch style stuff like you are doing with define-generic procedure < 1295196096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : and a proper type system too rather than using predicates like that < 1295196123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to assume Vorpal has said "down?" < 1295196124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reply yes < 1295196185 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1295196186 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you see my image and source code paste < 1295196190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1295196194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replied with that suggestion :> < 1295196665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://ompldr.org/vNzA1Nw < 1295196680 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1295196682 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1295196712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That screenshot really makes me wish for biome-compliant grass in Painterly that worked on the side (Notch's bug).) < 1295196715 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Lovely colour of grass.) < 1295196721 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blends in really well with the scenery. < 1295196823 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TLUL|afk < 1295196824 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1295196836 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure how to remap a key < 1295196880 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: in what < 1295196889 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :UBUNTU < 1295196894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: what key to what other key < 1295196964 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295197033 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "turn off internet" key to do nothing < 1295197065 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Run "xev" from terminal and focus the window it pops up, wait a second, press the key, and look (without moving mouse or anything) at the last event in the terminla < 1295197086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically the "keycode" part of a KeyPress/KeyRelease event pair. < 1295197087 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I tried that :( then xmodmapping it to NoSymbol < 1295197096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What went wrong? < 1295197108 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there was no error messages at all, but it doesn't do anything < 1295197114 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the key just continued to do what it does < 1295197131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: what file did you put it in? < 1295197148 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what file? no file < 1295197156 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what command did you run < 1295197157 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use xmodmap -e 'keycode ... < 1295197202 0 :TLUL|afk!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295197207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: right... just _have_ to check, you didn't reboot after right? :-P < 1295197215 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I didn't < 1295197226 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Itried putting the command into .xinitrc and rebotting though < 1295197230 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ddidn't do anything either < 1295197233 0 :TLUL|afk!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1295197253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you did "keycode 358934593475345 = NoSymbol"? < 1295197259 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1295197265 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except its' a 3 digit number < 1295197270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1295197276 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: probably what happens is that it turns it off in hardware, and then sends the key < 1295197280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's nothing you can do < 1295197281 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :/ < 1295197285 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try BIOS < 1295197289 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is a configure option there < 1295197292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the best idea, yeah < 1295197295 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't knoww hot to access that. < 1295197355 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: erm when you boot your pc up hammer delete and f2 < 1295197358 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are the most common keys < 1295197366 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it usually says on the screen somewhere what key will do it < 1295197373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but try del and f2 first, just hammer them constantly :P < 1295197383 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the OS can't see anything when you press the brightness keys, it could be because they're handled directly by the BIOS. The battle is not completely lost — it is in principle possible to hack the BIOS — but the difficulty level is considerably raised." < 1295197420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: just try booting into the bios, sometimes they have options to disable the keys < 1295197424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not hard to use the bios :-P < 1295197457 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you do it? < 1295197464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: j-invariant: erm when you boot your pc up hammer delete and f2 < 1295197464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : those are the most common keys < 1295197464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : it usually says on the screen somewhere what key will do it < 1295197464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : but try del and f2 first, just hammer them constantly :P < 1295197476 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay thanks ill try! < 1295197479 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it's just an easy menu-driven interface :P < 1295197483 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1295197708 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1295197718 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: great! that fixed it, thanks < 1295197724 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: :) < 1295197725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem < 1295197730 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181142091.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1295197738 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINALLY < 1295197744 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was annoying me for ages < 1295197749 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kept pressing "turn off internet" by accident < 1295197931 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1295199326 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I g9ess I will dgo on minecraft < 1295199340 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :h I can intall stuff now < 1295199360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes? < 1295199370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "I would like detailed birch bark for my birch trees." or "I would like detailed dark birch bark for my birch trees.", latter is best, see the customiser's previews < 1295199379 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is just too high contrast, *really* ugly < 1295199394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's brighter in-game than it looks there, btw, for both of them < 1295199396 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the former I think. well, I'll see how it looks when I find a birch < 1295199404 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they biome specific? < 1295199410 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not relaly < 1295199411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*really < 1295199418 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try tree farming < 1295199424 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just going to ungenerated terrain :D < 1295199475 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do I find the most recent versions of e.g. optimine? < 1295199476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : or just going to ungenerated terrain :D <--- that would be far and take ages < 1295199486 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: um you get them from the forum < 1295199491 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=132717 < 1295199504 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah how do you know that's the most recent one? < 1295199505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I can link you to all the mods I mentioned if you want, they can be hard to google < 1295199512 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: um because it's started by the mod author < 1295199514 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who keeps the thread updated < 1295199519 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1295199522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can edit the fpost < 1295199523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the post < 1295199530 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,elliott I just didnt'w atn to install a bunch of weird versions like an idiot :P < 1295199554 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: with mip mapping, the link in the first post is actuallywrong < 1295199560 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I can link you to the correct one, but remember the order :P < 1295199577 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mipmapping, please be more careful about typos < 1295199580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimine -> mcregion -> mipmapping -> better light+grass -> texture pack < 1295199589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it's actually MIP mapping < 1295199591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :shortened to mipmapping < 1295199597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mip mapping is correct if you eschew lowercase < 1295199601 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergo f u < 1295199637 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just needed to point out j-invariant's awesomely typo filled message < 1295199655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which admittedly just had two centers of typoty < 1295199661 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :typoty? < 1295199663 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow < 1295199671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: when you get to mipmapping let me know and i'll link you to the right version for the new beta < 1295199685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: do you use painterly already? < 1295199691 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I don't use any mods of anything yet < 1295199698 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying optimine now < 1295199705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1295199709 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is mipmapping from the latin word MIP < 1295199711 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1295199713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes < 1295199713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1295199716 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i ask this already < 1295199725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: multium in parvo or something < 1295199727 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't, but i asked something related < 1295199731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :multum in parvo < 1295199732 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :parvo? < 1295199735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :many in one < 1295199738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1295199741 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"much in a small space" < 1295199747 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do I check if optimine is working :| < 1295199751 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you don't, it is < 1295199757 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you did the steps, and it starts, then it's working :) < 1295199760 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guh < 1295199766 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you forgot to delete META-INF it wouldn't even start < 1295199768 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you did it right < 1295199771 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea whether this is any different from the normal one < 1295199779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, don't worry < 1295199780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do mcregion next < 1295199791 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also elliott, don't you have to reinstall these mods every time there is an update < 1295199791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: painterly has rather bad defaults and HUNDREDS of customisation options, so you'll want to go through http://painterlypack.net/customizer.php sometime soon < 1295199796 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, still no sign of a server? < 1295199799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, but it really doesn't take that long < 1295199801 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no, it's updated < 1295199808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I can apply all these mods in like... 3 minutes < 1295199812 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: besides, you won't have to do it every update < 1295199815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they won't be updated themselves yet < 1295199821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's really every update plus a few days < 1295199822 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, I mean that SSP one. < 1295199826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh. Indeed. < 1295199830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *SMP < 1295199838 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: man I dunno if I like this it sounds like a problematic thing < 1295199845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: But a322 is back up! < 1295199847 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: like what? < 1295199847 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :having to convert saves back and forth if an update comes out < 1295199852 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yaaaaay! < 1295199859 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: You don't have to install it, but it's only one command to convert them. < 1295199863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it speeds up single-player immensely. < 1295199866 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's your game ofc :P < 1295199876 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sounds like somethign that might go wrong < 1295199896 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Scaevolus is a very well-respected modder < 1295199902 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: in fact part of optimine was included in the latest update < 1295199906 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by Mojang < 1295199910 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd trust it, but it's up to you :P < 1295199914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a big speedup < 1295199945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Notch and the Mojangs: http://i.imgur.com/CVAYf.jpg (via reddit) < 1295199953 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw. < 1295199955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you can skip mcregion, all the other mods will still work fine < 1295199982 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: i'll link you to the right mipmapping download < 1295199994 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: http://up.dafk.net/files/9de39/minecraftmipmap4dev.zip < 1295199995 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do I know if mcregion has installed properly :/ < 1295200001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it is < 1295200002 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry < 1295200006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible to install it wrongly < 1295200009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you copied the files over < 1295200011 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it starts < 1295200014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you did it right < 1295200030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you don't have to delete META-INF in future btw, since you already did < 1295200048 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: note that Better Light/Grass are applied differently to most other mods < 1295200063 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does feel faster but I don't know if it REALLY is < 1295200071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it's not slower, so who cares :P < 1295200072 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, has mcmap been updated for Beta 1.2? < 1295200075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. < 1295200093 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED < 1295200096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: http://www.multiupload.com/ZJWVAP6EUB this is better light/grass -- unpack the zip into ~/.minecraft, you don't need to touch the jar < 1295200105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: then do "java -jar MrMPatcher.jar" inside .minecraft < 1295200122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: tick Better Light, Better Grass, and SMChat if you want (simplemap doesn't work without tweaking in the latest version), and click patch < 1295200136 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: only do that after mipmapping though < 1295200149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise mipmapping will overwrite better light & better grass < 1295200166 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1295200193 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, but now that there's a vanilla 1.2_01 up, I think I'll update it. < 1295200207 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as this render finishes. < 1295200218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'll factor out portamability stuff into separate files first. < 1295200228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll test OS X compilation sometime too. < 1295200248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: SO CAN I MOVE THE MCMAP REPOSITORY TO GOATPEN, THE ONLY SCAPEGOAT HOST < 1295200252 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*THAT MATTERS < 1295200261 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it'll really overlap. < 1295200267 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can host your ML rewrite there. :p < 1295200351 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I installed MrMMods but it doesn't show in mods < 1295200359 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: it shouldn't < 1295200361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no official mod support yet < 1295200367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: did you run the patcher and everything? < 1295200380 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1295200384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: just load a world < 1295200386 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lighting has improved ;D < 1295200388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: and look at the lighting of blocks < 1295200388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1295200391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: and also, look at grass on a hill < 1295200394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll see it goes down all the way < 1295200407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: btw you have to use better grass for now, better light on its own doesn't work properly < 1295200411 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I found a way to get infinite wool < 1295200414 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: did you get mipmapping installed? < 1295200425 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take some wool, drown yourself go and pick it up again and the sheep will have its wool back < 1295200436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1295200439 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have no idea, I did "install it" but there is no confirmation that it worked < 1295200451 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: go to the top of a mountain and look at a mountain further away < 1295200457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it looks smooth, then mipmapping is working < 1295200470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you stand on some land and look at where it meets the first block on top < 1295200474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's smoothed, then it's working < 1295200475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1295200478 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look at a big sea < 1295200483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it just becomes blue the further away it is < 1295200484 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's working < 1295200509 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hah, a squid on land < 1295200518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Screenshot? < 1295200522 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SILLY SQUID. YOU'RE NOT MEANT TO BE THERE. < 1295200538 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is next to the water stream near subrary bridge < 1295200546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It'll probably be gone by the time I get there. < 1295200557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm standing there atm. Just get on now and walk there? < 1295200559 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I do mcpatcher now < 1295200570 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: no < 1295200571 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, now it went away < 1295200578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you use that to apply the texture pac < 1295200579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1295200586 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: go through http://painterlypack.net/customizer.php and make your selections < 1295200593 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well it was moving weirdly, that a screenshot can't capture < 1295200601 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how pigs move when on fire < 1295200613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: mcpatcher's checkboxes are confusingly named, but basically you want to have them all ticked apart from Custom Water and Animated Water (trust me, even if this makes no sense, this gives you painterly water and keeps the rest working) < 1295200620 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: but you need to feed it a texture pack < 1295200620 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit instead of up/down, it did it horizontally < 1295200622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus http://painterlypack.net/customizer.php < 1295200622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but* < 1295200645 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: http://github.com/downloads/pclewis/mcpatcher/mcpatcher-1.1.11.jar put this wherever, but yeah, you need to customise painterly first < 1295200648 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no it is there < 1295200650 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just timed out < 1295200651 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I can give you the painterly pack I use < 1295200655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I used to take that screenshot you saw < 1295200659 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't wanna bother customising everything < 1295200742 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: just ping me if you want me to upload it < 1295200749 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1295200894 0 :j-invariant!~aaaa@unaffiliated/j-invariant JOIN :#esoteric < 1295200900 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, he's added a yet another complicated "stream of variable-sized items" packet field format that needs to be completely decoded in order to be skipped over. GRAA, why can't he just add a length field in the protocol. < 1295200940 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://i.imgur.com/emifw.png < 1295200942 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that normal? < 1295200956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: press F5 < 1295200976 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: did you use the mipmapping link i gave you? the one in the post is wrong < 1295200981 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell from the screeny but i'm not sure you have mipmapping < 1295200998 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why do you undef main on win32? < 1295201018 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mean the grass http://i.imgur.com/gFNHg.png < 1295201035 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: that's Better Grass :) < 1295201042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you do have mipmapping < 1295201047 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why do you use such a tiny window to play in?! < 1295201062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: btw better grass looks nicer with painterly < 1295201063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by far < 1295201070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since with painterly, normal grass goes down 2/3rds of the way < 1295201091 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay im configuring paintlerly :) < 1295201097 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Because otherwise SDL.h redefines it to SDL_main, but that causes mingw to go all "there is no main() method in the application, I'll use WinMain as the entry point" even if I statically link against libSDLmain. < 1295201103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: my configuration is the BESTEST!!! < 1295201114 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, I'll put it in platform.h then, as ugly as that is. < 1295201134 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like a crude creeper large pumpkin. < 1295201176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: that's what i have :D < 1295201189 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: btw you probably do not want biome compliant grass < 1295201194 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(biome-compliant leaves are fine) < 1295201200 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't work for side-grass, because Notch sucks < 1295201215 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Jeeves and Wooster went downright crazy in the last season. < 1295201250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: btw I'd do "cp ~/.minecraft/bin/{minecraft.jar,minecraft.good.jar}" now < 1295201256 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case you mess up mcpatcher, happens to the best of us :P < 1295201269 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh for goodness sake this customizer is MASSIVE < 1295201277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yes it is, want my precustomised pack? :P < 1295201285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of us take our painterly customisation err...quite seriously < 1295201292 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btr < 1295201300 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btr? < 1295201307 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have minecraft.jar, minercaft (copy).jar and minecraft.mrm2011-1-16-0 < 1295201312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1295201319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make minecraft.patched.up.the.wazoo.jar < 1295201320 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1295201324 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(copy) is my backup, I think mrm is Mr... backup < 1295201331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1295201336 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want a backup with all the patches though < 1295201338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :before mcpatcher < 1295201341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If I turn -DWIN32 into -DPLATFORM=win32, is that okay? < 1295201386 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no -DWIN32 at the moment. < 1295201390 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mingw-defined automagically. < 1295201403 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can do -DPLATFORM=win32 if you want. < 1295201419 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or even BETTER < 1295201422 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ifdef WIN32 < 1295201426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define PLATFORM win32 < 1295201428 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1295201430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEST IDEA?? < 1295201451 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, why nots, assuming it ends up in all the places that test for PLATFORM. < 1295201530 0 :acetoline!~acetoline@125-237-12-196.jetstream.xtra.co.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1295201547 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1295201566 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1295201573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :platform.h:9: error: pasting "PLATFORM" and "." does not give a valid preprocessing token < 1295201576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, how are you meant to do that, again? < 1295201594 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1295201602 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I should just use a conditional, wacky. < 1295201604 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you need a separate macro, if you want it to expand PLATFORM. < 1295201615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define PLATFORM_HEADER_NAME_(x) x##.h < 1295201615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define PLATFORM_HEADER_NAME PLATFORM_HEADER_NAME_(PLATFORM) < 1295201615 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1295201615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define QUOTE_(x) #x < 1295201615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define QUOTE(x) QUOTE_(x) < 1295201615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define PLATFORM_HEADER QUOTE(PLATFORM_HEADER_NAME) < 1295201615 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#include PLATFORM_HEADER < 1295201622 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I actually just want that first macro there to work without erroring :-P < 1295201625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORRRR I could just do it manually. < 1295201673 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or, wait, I'll just pass -iwin32.h to the compiler. < 1295201675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the "sanest" thing. < 1295201701 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, *-include win32.h < 1295201756 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see what's so unsane about just a single #if .. #include "win32.h" #elif .. #include "posix.h" #else #error "your platform is bad" #endif chain somewhere. (As opposed to trying to autodefine the header name like that. < 1295201763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Mind if I ditch useful.make? It's bugging me. < 1295201765 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Jeeves and Wooster managed to go three and half seasons with no transvestites, but being British and all just couldn't make it much further. < 1295201772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, yes, so HYPOCRITICAL.) < 1295201776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Verily. < 1295201788 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You added it, of course you can get rid of it too if you like. < 1295201792 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, I'm gonna delete all the files I added. For anarchy! < 1295201823 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cant' decide between: < 1295201823 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The core of my world is delicious candycane. ◊ < 1295201823 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PreviewPreview < 1295201824 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to live on the back of a cosmic space turtle. < 1295201839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I use boring ol' bedrock, but I'd go for space-turtle. < 1295201846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The candycane is rather glaring when you're in a dark mine at bedrock. < 1295201899 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1295201901 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/c179 -- *so* pretty. (The new packet field format is: read records until id byte == 127; record size depends on three top bits of ID byte, with 0 → 1 byte, 1 → 2 bytes, 2/3 → 4 bytes, 4 → length-prefixed UTF-8 string, 5 → 5 bytes.) < 1295201903 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, working on mcmap update? < 1295201908 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yet another place where it can get broken.) < 1295201927 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, the whole protocol changed fundamentally? < 1295201941 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he just added yet another field type that doesn't have a fixed length. < 1295201946 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1295201956 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's used for something mob-related. < 1295201964 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1295202106 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1295202340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What would be your most approved-of renaming of main? (The platforms will handle main() itself.) < 1295202379 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what's up with all the non-square moons and suns? Weird < 1295202388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I use them :P < 1295202394 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Plain circular moon, circular sun) < 1295202431 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything, really; but preferrably something that includes the substring "main". (And no, something incorporating the verb "remain" doesn't quite count.) < 1295202471 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make it mcmap_main. < 1295202492 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's this setlocale(LC_ALL, "") nonsense? < 1295202496 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Finally made my pack < 1295202497 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we a locale-friendly app now? < 1295202497 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 504 for URL: http://www.minecraft.net/game/joinserver.jsp?[...] -- is there some sort of a problem, or is that just me? < 1295202498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1295202501 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: \o/ < 1295202501 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :               | < 1295202501 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :               >\ < 1295202516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Download mcpatcher, tick all except Custom Water and Animated Water, specify pack location < 1295202518 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Press Patch < 1295202520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start Minecraft < 1295202521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rejoice < 1295202523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It manages to localize the glib help messages (partially) and something else. I don't remember what I thought when adding it. < 1295202529 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: (Assuming you ticked a water you like in the customiser.) < 1295202662 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not have custom water? < 1295202671 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should tile size be? < 1295202675 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: er, wait < 1295202677 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: OK, leave tile size < 1295202679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you want to: < 1295202681 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :untick custom lava < 1295202685 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :untick animated water < 1295202687 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure all others are ticked < 1295202695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Animated water actually *disables* Painterly's animated water.) < 1295202697 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So you want it UNTICKED.) < 1295202700 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tile size is 16x16 < 1295202703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1295202704 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's correct < 1295202708 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :click Patch, close the patcher, start minecraft normally < 1295202711 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::((( < 1295202714 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ? < 1295202725 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacing kf.class: java.io.FileNotFoundException: newcode/kf.class < 1295202731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1295202735 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: do the paths look right? < 1295202778 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the dialogue box < 1295202779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you select < 1295202802 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So are we going to have a fancy GTK launcher someday? :P < 1295202842 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1295202856 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really think so. :p < 1295202869 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got "Success ...probably" this time, with custom water off < 1295202870 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :laggy < 1295202894 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to have worked < 1295202907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: ah < 1295202913 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you forgot to enable water in painterly customiser!! < 1295202914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :go fix it < 1295202924 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not include MCPATCHER animation files for water. < 1295202925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Include MCPATCHER animation files for light water. < 1295202925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Include MCPATCHER animation files for dark water. < 1295202927 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :choose one of the latter two < 1295202928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark is best imo :P < 1295202935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw hover over the pictures to get previews < 1295202959 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose dark water < 1295203014 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: are you sure? :/ < 1295203022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you are on 1.2_01, right? < 1295203024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraft < 1295203052 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Should I name portable types and functions like socket() and the socket type with mcmap_ prefix or sth? < 1295203060 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: typedef int mcmap_socket; and the like. < 1295203063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or platform_socket? < 1295203067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'll go for platform_ prefix. < 1295203093 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITS SO BEAUTIFUL OMFG < 1295203128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: If you want to hear your hardware scream, set viewing distance to far and rendering to fancy. < 1295203186 0 :Wamanuz2!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295203392 0 :Wamanuz!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1295203436 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is it okay if the win32 console still gets threaded, even though it isn't quite required? < 1295203449 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how does a language like Slate manage to ... exist so long while going practically nowhere, generating little interest? < 1295203463 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the thread do anything there? I mean, the currently ifdef'd-out code won't compile on Windows. < 1295203483 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, the idea is that there'd be a few console_* functions in platform.h, that both posix.c and win32.c would implement. < 1295203489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And posix.c would use readline and win32.c just the usual read() stuff. < 1295203493 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, er, fread, whatever. < 1295203496 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgets. whatever. < 1295203505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So it'd be threaded in all cases. < 1295203518 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm'k. Well, why not. < 1295203521 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "going practically nowhere" is quite insulting to all the people who have been working on it for years. Besides, there was a dip in activity for years, this is a "revival". < 1295203523 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One more thread doesn't really matter. < 1295203548 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A revival that seems to consist of one person, as far as I can tell < 1295203573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Io is basically a one-man project too. < 1295203577 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pushed? < 1295203582 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'll push this protocol-update change; it only changes protocol.h (and there only the packet_id and field_type enums) and protocol.c, it should auto-merge without any problems. < 1295203586 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1295203594 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't believe he's done. < 1295203603 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so he is. < 1295203611 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am; I just testeded it a moment ago. < 1295203621 0 :TLUL|afk!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :TLUL < 1295203622 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right, he said in game he was about to push, then he left the game < 1295203625 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There it goes. < 1295203642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Actually, come to think of it, I can just only have the thread in posix.c. < 1295203662 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 files changed, 61 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) < 1295203668 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1295203776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is console_readline ever false on POSIX? < 1295203869 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there? Planning on that joint expedition still? < 1295203885 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1295203889 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1295203895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What joint expedition? < 1295203899 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, now seems like a perfect time to do it < 1295203900 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for lapis. < 1295203902 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, :) < 1295203907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updating mcmap... < 1295203912 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It can be if there is both atexit + regular-quit cleanup. < 1295203914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Filthy traitor! < 1295203916 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what colour is it in mcmap? < 1295203919 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ^ < 1295203927 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, mcmap doesn't have that block colored yet. < 1295203930 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'll be black. < 1295203935 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well I'll add it then I guess. < 1295203953 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can manually add it for now; I'll fix that (and note blocks and whatnot) a bit later. < 1295203973 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x15 < 1295203990 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-white cloth blocks will also be black at the moment. < 1295204018 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, any plans to make mcmap highlight specific blocks? < 1295204028 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, aren't they all the same id, but different durability? < 1295204036 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, with a //command. < 1295204053 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, right, they might be. The classic cloth block had different IDs. < 1295204059 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do pressure plates provide charge downwards? < 1295204080 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I'll need to get armour. < 1295204083 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yes. < 1295204111 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm. < 1295204125 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is mcmap working for you, BtW? < 1295204135 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, about how long do you estimate? I have an early morning tomorrow < 1295204148 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, however long it takes... < 1295204155 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1295204182 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what about NE approx? < 1295204187 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't be that long; we just need to branch mine at a specific depth/ < 1295204198 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, how about (-4000,-4000)? < 1295204209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I seem to recall you "not being interested" in lapis? < 1295204211 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well tell me if there is water to fall in there :P < 1295204223 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well I'm not HUGELY interested. But some will be fun :P < 1295204348 0 :BMG!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1295204418 0 :BMG!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1295204418 0 :BMG!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1295204421 0 :BMG!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :BeholdMyGlory < 1295204540 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what happened? < 1295204549 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1295204550 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Landed on a chunk error. < 1295204557 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1295204887 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed 's,\($*\)\.o[ :]*,\1.o $@ : ,g' > $@ < 1295204890 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What does that line noise do? < 1295204946 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It adds the depfile in the list of targets, so that it also depends on the dependencies. < 1295204952 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck minecraft.net being downish < 1295204954 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that GCC-specific option for it. < 1295204971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is there? < 1295204976 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It corresponds to "-MT $@" < 1295204979 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, new entry for "list of unreasonably difficult tasks for a PhD student": discovering exactly what page of a conference proceedings you don't have your paper starts on < 1295204986 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or -MT $(objdir)/$*.d in useful.make terms. < 1295204988 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, just discovering the name of the conference proceedings can be quite hard < 1295204993 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh, I already use -MT $(@:.d=.o) right now. < 1295205009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave your ugley script in. < 1295205024 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's picked from the GNU make manual. < 1295205044 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could change it to "-MT $(@:.d=.o) -MT $@" if you're using the MT flag in any case. < 1295205063 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you putting the Windows build in the same Makefile as the "sensible" build? < 1295205129 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, down? < 1295205148 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1295205242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No. < 1295205253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm making Makefile.common, Makefile.win32, Makefile.posix. < 1295205267 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: And then probably making Makefile just include Makefile.posix, unless there's a snazzy detect-win32 thing in make. < 1295205268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or mingw. < 1295205272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does mingw's uname output? < 1295205282 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, I just cross-build it. < 1295205483 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I wish Slate had up-to-date thorough documentation < 1295205507 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, at least, is better than Atomo's ... complete-looking, but secretly lacking, documentation < 1295205596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So win32 actually has no input facilities, right? < 1295205613 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are the console functions. < 1295205623 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But currently it doesn't have any, if that's what you meant. < 1295206228 0 :TLUL!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295206261 0 :TLUL!~TLUL@wikia/The-last-username-left JOIN :#esoteric < 1295206290 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems that LyX's "integrated version control" is in fact RCS < 1295206296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how to react, or how Vorpal will react < 1295206616 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It only uses RCS by default if it doesn't smell some other version control repository in the directory you've saved the file in. < 1295206628 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It does CVS and Subversion if it sees files related to those. < 1295206675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does any other systems yet, though. < 1295206710 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: chopping down trees form the comfort of my boat: If only I could get a workbench on it! < 1295206755 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah, that Minecraft protocol is ad-hoc. The format for packet 0x35 ("place a block") starts as "int, byte, int" (X, Y, Z) coordinates. For packet 0x36 ("play a note block") the first three fields are "int, short, int" (also X, Y, Z). And there are quite many packets that start with "int, int, int" (X, Y, Z). < 1295207461 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to start watching DS9 again < 1295207715 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I found some iron (and clay!) < 1295207921 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we're looking to compile at a rate very close to 100,000 lines of source code per second" < 1295207933 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously. What the hell is going on in "industry"? < 1295208008 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295208015 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like anarchy golf? < 1295208035 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it makes me feel stupid. I cna't do any of them < 1295208100 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: I can give a lot of hints. I know a lot of tricks that can be used. Each programming language usable has its own challenge. < 1295208221 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, Objective-C is a strict superset of C, so any solution in C should also be acceptable as a Objective-C code. < 1295208233 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, may I please request a chunk revert? < 1295208246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott has caused massive damage to the summit of Mt. Hoover. < 1295208253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accidentally! < 1295208260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in an agreement of war, no less. < 1295208264 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drrrrrama! < 1295208304 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you either recreate the entire terrain from scratch or you help me get ineiros to give me a revert. < 1295208312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He'll revert it anyway. < 1295208317 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened? < 1295208322 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, exactly, were you placing that much TNT near the summit? < 1295208331 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1295208331 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: We _agreed to war_. < 1295208341 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess elliott blew up Mt. Hoover < 1295208343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :War, as in, war where people die. < 1295208347 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, please stop acting like this is a joke. < 1295208347 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, does more TNT cause a bigger explosion? < 1295208356 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft: Serious Business < 1295208360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a comment in jest. < 1295208363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: A chunk revert takes two seconds, and I'm not acting like this is a joke, and for once Sgeo is right. < 1295208375 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1295208377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consulted you on the matter of war for a reason and you agreed. < 1295208386 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what? No, you didn't. < 1295208401 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you have chat logs on your terminal < 1295208411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :On IRC. < 1295208435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Anyway, the portability work is almost done. < 1295208447 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes < 1295208452 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, want them? < 1295208458 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need the strongest posible armor < 1295208462 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, will take a minute or so to sprunge < 1295208464 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some iron ore (not much) < 1295208482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: diamond < 1295208491 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure where to find dioamonad < 1295208496 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, dumped in a file. < 1295208498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does -O3 break windows? < 1295208516 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1295208519 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't tried, though. < 1295208532 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I have saved them to a file < 1295208584 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm? < 1295208675 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no ping reply from PH. I guess that is it < 1295208678 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295208700 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1295208968 0 :Phantom_Hoover!5ead0b15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295209003 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My parents have confiscated my laptop because I'm "addicted" and I'm doing it in favour of homework I don't have.] < 1295209019 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh: # renamed: console.c -> posix.c < 1295209030 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Permanently? :p < 1295209051 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: apparently it's "for tonight"/ < 1295209068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hate to ask the obvious question but what are you IRCing from :P < 1295209070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to demonstrate that I'm not addicted by doing something else, or something like that. < 1295209080 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Family Mac, which is in the study. < 1295209109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be long until they find me on this as well and force me off it. < 1295209121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pushed the portability stuff, probably broke Windows builds. < 1295209126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably broke POSIX builds come to think of it, but whatever. < 1295209136 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are incapable of grasping that addiction is not the same as being annoyed when you are forced off it in the middle of doing something. < 1295209171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: As a revolutionary, while opposed to you, I am also naturally opposed to all forms of authority, and so death to parents and etc.! But if you will excuse me, I must go and blow shit up. < 1295209175 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1295209180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I, on the other hand, am quite clearly addictd ^) < 1295209182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*addicted < 1295209288 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an interesting "clean" sequence: < 1295209290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ make clean < 1295209290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir build < 1295209290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -f build/mcmap build/posix.o build/cmd.o build/console.o build/main.o build/map.o build/nbt.o build/protocol.o build/world.o build/posix.d build/cmd.d build/console.d build/main.d build/map.d build/nbt.d build/protocol.d build/world.d < 1295209290 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rmdir build; true < 1295209297 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is my intel manual for compiler writers < 1295209323 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1295209338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, it generates all the dependencies. < 1295209345 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: useful.make hardcoded around this, but it was rather dumb. < 1295209350 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: For instance, "make clean all" broke. < 1295209352 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=40327 < 1295209391 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Of course, if you're cleaning without building in the first place, you're silly anyway. (You'll want to rm -rf _build and _debug, probably.) < 1295209399 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "The name is quite stupid", like they say. :p < 1295209430 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros: anyway, how about that chunk update? < 1295209437 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, *revert. < 1295209438 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Would you believe it, it actually works < 1295209444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ostensibly. < 1295209468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ make -f Makefile.win32 < 1295209468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In file included from platform.h:5, < 1295209468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from common.h:4, < 1295209468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : from world.c:13: < 1295209468 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :posix.h:6:19: error: netdb.h: No such file or directory < 1295209475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What. < 1295209476 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preprocessor == compares values, not strings. < 1295209489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, in-deed. I thought that was the case but forgot. < 1295209492 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both "posix" and "win32" have the value 0 if you don't define them to something. < 1295209500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I Can Fix That. < 1295209554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :down... < 1295209597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Come to think of it, I'll just make it -DPLATFORM_POSIX vs. -DPLATFORM_WIN32. < 1295209623 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could use the guaranteed-to-be-defined-on-all-win32-builds WIN32. :p < 1295209636 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's less generic! What if you port it to Classic Mac OS? < 1295209647 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you don't test against it. < 1295209661 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't you rather have to? < 1295209666 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see what you mean. < 1295209669 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a SPECIAL CASE. < 1295209677 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay. < 1295209688 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pushin' a fix. < 1295209786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://www.spieleplanet.eu/get/mcmap-gui.png <-- is *your* launcher this ugly? < 1295209820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is this launcher of yours? < 1295209822 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a lot smaller. < 1295209831 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximately equally ugly, though. < 1295209834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It launches nuclear warheads. < 1295209849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I added a small launcher dialog in the Win32 build that's shown if you don't include any command-line arguments. < 1295209854 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1295209898 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1295209935 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl < 1295209964 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1295209978 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pushed a three-line patch to fix the Windows builds. < 1295209980 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) < 1295209995 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it could be considered a four-line patch in some sense. < 1295210067 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link step needs $(objs) $(LDFLAGS) as opposed to $(LDFLAGS) $(objs), because otherwise it won't pick up the referred-to symbols from the DLL link stub libraries. (It only collects symbols that are used.) < 1295210195 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g231051083.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1295210236 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like the checkbox for "render the hell dimension" < 1295210483 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also pushed a Perl script that takes a protocol.txt and writes the ugly parts of packet-format structures from that. Got tired of updating three different places whenever the protocol changes. < 1295210500 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Didn't add that as a build step though, since conceivably someone might want to build on Windows without Perl. < 1295210707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: heh < 1295210731 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: But doesn't that -Wl thing need to come before iojdofgjsodigjhfgsihjfkglhjlfkdh? < 1295210732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before... < 1295210734 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the files? < 1295210738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you had it like that in the Makefile. < 1295210752 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. I don't really know. At least it builds. :p < 1295210776 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :notch talks on http://www.livestream.com/coesquest < 1295210782 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to some guyis playing his game < 1295210791 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: notch is the worst < 1295210797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE WORST < 1295210841 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Phantom_Hoover should destroy the remaining stocks of TNT < 1295210900 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :over 3000 people lol < 1295210968 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because he is there < 1295210998 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1295211003 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GODDAMMIT MINECRAFT < 1295211017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: PRAISE THE GLORIOUS NOTCH < 1295211109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fizzie: "4815162342 lines of code!" That would explain a lot.. < 1295211111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lot. < 1295211180 0 :trinithis!~trinithis@c-24-6-5-250.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295211212 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Congratulations on your DSL (the .txt) < 1295211242 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should probably add a rule to update protocol-data.{c,h}. < 1295211245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To Makefile.commo. < 1295211248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*common. < 1295211281 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, probably; I didn't want to make the build actually-depend on Perl, but OTOH it doesn't if those files do exist in the repo. < 1295211292 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is possible to interact with the environment while riding a cart, such as shooting a bow at enemies or laying down track in front of the minecart while it is moving." < 1295211294 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1295211304 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like it could be... useful for long journeys < 1295211305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cat coppro: i like how much the minecraft talk bothers you < 1295211305 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i like how much the minecraft talk bothers you < 1295211312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know fungot's inner desires.) < 1295211312 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have gotten a test binary file. < 1295211332 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott are you now speaking to me through fungot? < 1295211332 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i... just another instance of unix is no longer useable as a snarcstation-2. but these days? so what happened, and hardware manufacturers said the name of the < 1295211342 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When riding a falling minecart, landing will deal no damage." < 1295211354 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cat Stop accusing elliott of things, I'm a real human being who' sa bot. < 1295211354 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop accusing elliott of things, I'm a real human being who' sa bot. < 1295211360 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like an easy way to get down from high heights < 1295211361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cat *who's a. I even make mistakes! < 1295211361 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*who's a. I even make mistakes! < 1295211364 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, yes, yes he is < 1295211370 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1295211380 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A+ for creativity < 1295211403 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cat Of course, this means Sgeo can impersonate elliott within coppro's mind < 1295211404 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this means Sgeo can impersonate elliott within coppro's mind < 1295211421 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I can see Sgeo issue the command < 1295211423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cat dfjghdfgkjljsdfzl;dfkjgophs94gsozf\dzf < 1295211423 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfjghdfgkjljsdfzl;dfkjgophs94gsozf\dzf < 1295211428 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..Oh right < 1295211433 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cat MY BRAIN IS A WALRUS < 1295211433 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY BRAIN IS A WALRUS < 1295211440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think fungot is having a nervous breakdown. < 1295211440 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the other hand, given the poor are terribly poor and the program. < 1295211515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, mipmapping is forcing the volume to 0 or something... < 1295211546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Changing volume when music and sound are both off crashes Minecraft" < 1295211549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTCH QUALITY ENGINEERING < 1295211581 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to catch chickens: Use a fishing rod to pull them into a cactus < 1295211595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: X-D < 1295211805 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1295211844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it worth using powered minecarts? < 1295211872 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :English guys: how does a name "cardernet" (for an internet service) sounds to you? < 1295211909 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: a bit cheesey < 1295211927 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1295211930 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought so < 1295211933 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: approve < 1295211957 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather name it cardsnet or something like that < 1295211969 0 :nooga!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because AFAIK carder is something weird < 1295212015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :paulscode.sound.SoundSystemException: The specified class does not implement interface 'ICodec' in method 'setCodec' < 1295212015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : at paulscode.sound.SoundSystemConfig.setCodec(SourceFile:584) < 1295212015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : at sg.d(SourceFile:47) < 1295212015 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : at sg.a(SourceFile:31) < 1295212016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.a(SourceFile:331) < 1295212018 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : at net.minecraft.client.Minecraft.run(SourceFile:643) < 1295212020 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636) < 1295212022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :error linking with the LibraryJavaSound plug-in < 1295212024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1295212033 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah the water in minecraft is not confluent < 1295212046 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: wat < 1295212127 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way it flows is dependent on the order in which its path is cleared < 1295212128 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might Minecart boosters eventually be nerfed? < 1295212131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sound is so boooorken for me :( < 1295212132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes < 1295212135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: indeed < 1295212139 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The current system seems to have bit of a rebuild problem: http://p.zem.fi/fkwv -- based on make -d at http://p.zem.fi/7nwt it's because you depend on the build directory, and that is always newer because any file-change inside there will update its timestamp. < 1295212150 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much stuff will break? < 1295212160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Everything. < 1295212163 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And will powered minecarts then become useful? < 1295212171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh for chrissakes. Change the dependency on $(objdir) to | $(objdir). < 1295212172 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ask Notch. < 1295212207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That will fix it. < 1295212212 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems to. < 1295212281 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can also ride "them" and they'll move nearly forever if there is no dead end. It also moves slower off track and can move through water. < 1295212281 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1295212282 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh < 1295212293 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word confluent comes from the behavior of water < 1295212358 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait how dum < 1295212369 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a dumb way for water to work < 1295212420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Eh? < 1295212427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1295212430 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The really buggy ones < 1295212432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ones. < 1295212442 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you had any audio issues? < 1295212519 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Shall I add the auto-update of the protocol-data files to the build system? It'll only trigger when the files are out of date, obviously. < 1295212644 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played Minecraft with sound more than once or so. < 1295212647 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I heard the "ouch" but saw nothing that could hurt you < 1295212650 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can. I was going to, but forgot. < 1295212656 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Fell down the stairs. :p < 1295212658 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1295212695 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Minecart_booster#Double_Booster < 1295212698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Pushing. < 1295212716 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what were you going to screenshot? < 1295212720 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah, that _will_ be fixed. It's a crazy bug. < 1295212726 0 :trinithis!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1295212736 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, here's what I got when I tried to add "show block light levels in surface map for nice night-time look" in mcmap: http://zem.fi/~fis/mcmap-lights.png < 1295212739 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not quite it. < 1295212752 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1295212755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I WANT TO MAKE AN ALBUM JUST SO I CAN USE THAT AS THE COVER. < 1295212763 0 :zzo38!~zzo38@h24-207-49-17.dlt.dccnet.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295212779 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made a list of some hints for anarchy golf gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0phlog*c_golf.anagol-tricks < 1295212780 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think boosters period are a crazy bug < 1295212786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But a useful one. < 1295212789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: SRSLY THAT IS AWESOME < 1295212801 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, found out anything about the corruption bug btw? < 1295212849 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet either. I should really take a look at some point. < 1295212858 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Item duplication glitches are useful bugs < 1295212893 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://i.imgur.com/moAMH.png < 1295212898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't stop staring at http://zem.fi/~fis/mcmap-lights.png < 1295212900 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so pretty < 1295212905 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :free string every time I spend the night in my house < 1295212915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: great :) < 1295212928 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :works well because I can get fish with it < 1295212928 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: add some logs on fire there, hehehe < 1295212932 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: have you built a portal to the Nether yet? < 1295212939 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no I don't have any obsidian :( < 1295212947 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found clay and iron for the fisrst time today thoug < 1295212949 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: you want buckets of lava and water, to build it in-place < 1295212957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you don't have to mine it either < 1295212964 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah I do know where there is some lava < 1295212967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: If it has taken this long for you to find iron you are doing something very wrong :) < 1295212968 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: string is useless though < 1295212971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make a bucket you need iron < 1295212975 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I can make a fishing rod with it < 1295212987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: also, wow, you really need to play at a higher resolution :P < 1295212996 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use 5 of it in the whole game < 1295213021 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295213024 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: http://zem.fi/~fis/mcmap-lights.png has PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL in it, I am disgusted. < 1295213028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Found ANOTHER computer? < 1295213044 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:Quarry_1.png < 1295213051 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ineiros, I really, *really* need that revert. < 1295213052 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to make a swimming pool that size < 1295213088 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The damage is effectively irreparable. < 1295213119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do squares in the gimp? :p < 1295213131 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cobblestone factory + tree farm = plenty of smooth stone < 1295213148 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Cobblestone factory = useless. < 1295213152 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x faster to mine. < 1295213160 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, do you have any idea of the rate of production in a cobble factory? < 1295213161 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Second attempt: http://zem.fi/~fis/mcmap-lights2.png < 1295213177 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice < 1295213177 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's the cover to the accompanying EP. < 1295213184 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it correct? < 1295213186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you save the version that generated mcmap-lights.png? < 1295213188 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Literally the only place it would be useful would be in the Nether. < 1295213188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really wanna use it :p < 1295213190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it. :p < 1295213194 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, can't be lower than mining, right? < 1295213201 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it's *far* lower. < 1295213205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How? < 1295213214 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a block a second" lower. < 1295213217 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Because the cobble don't regenerate instantly. < 1295213219 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I already messed it up. :/ < 1295213230 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the cobble magically reappeared AS SOON as you finished mining (not even a ms delay) it would be as fast. < 1295213237 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it takes like a second. < 1295213239 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: http://zem.fi/~fis/mcmap-lights.png has PORNOGRAPHIC MATERIAL in it, I am disgusted. // worst - porn -e ver < 1295213241 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*- ever < 1295213253 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mining isn't as safe < 1295213258 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm trying to highlight the pornographic material now :P < 1295213270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes... it is. < 1295213277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do a corridor, it's completely safe and you get iron and coal too. < 1295213309 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as ecological < 1295213310 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1295213311 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do it chunk-wise then < 1295213319 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll run out eventually < 1295213328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have to walk a distance to find more < 1295213332 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I made some cool stuff such as a note based warning system when someone enters my place < 1295213352 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, note? < 1295213354 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, do what chunk-wise? < 1295213360 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the revert < 1295213362 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "Run out"? Not underground. < 1295213370 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the world is fucking infinite, there is nothing to conserve. < 1295213373 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you mean list the chunks necessary? < 1295213380 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yeah. < 1295213383 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This means war!! < 1295213385 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, how? < 1295213395 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, well the worldedit plugin for bukkit could do it < 1295213396 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, the world is infinite, but if you run out in a fixed area, you have to leave that area < 1295213419 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, for a very short time while you get cobble. < 1295213421 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, wait, dump with mcmap. then figure out the file names < 1295213423 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DO YOU DRAW A SQUARE WITH THE GIMP < 1295213431 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Wrong. < 1295213435 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I assume they would be the same for mcmap and for the server < 1295213435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The underground extends forever. < 1295213437 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative the world dir < 1295213452 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll *already* have more cobble than you need from mining. < 1295213464 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I doubt it. < 1295213475 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Usually I just select a rectangle, then select->border, then fill that. < 1295213475 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcmap has absolutely no idea what the server calls the chunks. < 1295213496 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : HOW DO YOU DRAW A SQUARE WITH THE GIMP <-- make a rectangle selection, shift or ctrl or something to ensure all sides equally long < 1295213503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The file names are just base36-encoded integers of the chunk position. < 1295213507 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, isn't it determnistic from the coords? < 1295213515 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh? < 1295213607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Gregor: PROOF OF EVIL PORNOGRAPHY: http://i.imgur.com/c37jR.png < 1295213653 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes. The path for chunk at (X,Z) is "%s/%s/c.%s.%s.dat", base36(X&63), base36(Z&63), base36(X), base36(Z). < 1295213660 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ...what. < 1295213683 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need me to colour it according to how an EVIL PORNOGRAPHIST would, I can do that too, but I figured I'd rely on your OWN EYES. < 1295213713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is it Cthulhu's secret porn stash? < 1295213723 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1295213735 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ... must have an extremely dirty mind to see anything in that :P < 1295213738 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With a base36 digit set of "0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz".) < 1295213810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Obviously the woman on the right is screaming in horror at what a horrible picture she is in, while wearing a necklace with a Christian cross on it, and apparently with no neck separating her face and breasts. IT'S OBVIOUS! < 1295213821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE the pervert! < 1295213825 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe YOU'RE Cthulhu. < 1295213855 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ... a parrot on her shoulder? < 1295213859 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is smelting with lava ever worth it? < 1295213898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's clearly a tentacle. < 1295213901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No. < 1295213906 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh dear. < 1295213918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SEE? < 1295213948 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: Here's incentive to play at a higher resolution: http://ompldr.org/vNzBuNg < 1295214074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does 2 TNT next to eachother make more of an explosion than 1? < 1295214082 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Obviously. < 1295214106 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can that be used to explode past obsidian, or is it just size of explosion? < 1295214124 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would need a LOT of TNT to explode obsidian. < 1295214140 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's theoretically doable? < 1295214161 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much TNT would you need to explode past water? < 1295214161 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably crash the game well before you ever got past TNT. < 1295214163 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think that's bigger than my maximum res :S < 1295214164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*past obsidian. < 1295214166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Infinite. < 1295214171 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: just press F11 :P < 1295214178 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BTW, turns out my security system isn't completely watertight http://i.imgur.com/dUR5V.png < 1295214179 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, water is literally unbreakable? < 1295214181 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might take pressing it thrice, if it doesn't get rid of your top/bottom panels < 1295214186 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yes. < 1295214188 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1295214203 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yikes < 1295214209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: did it come down? < 1295214215 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Explosion#Block_Resistance has smaller numbers for water than obsidian, but I really don't know how those are calculated. < 1295214216 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Explosion#Block_Resistance, water has a lower resistance than obsidian < 1295214218 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha it can't come down but I can't go up either < 1295214221 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1295214226 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m the oh < 1295214229 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Underwater explosions are a different thing, though. < 1295214241 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasnt asking about underwater explosions < 1295214254 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to know how well a wall of stationary water would hold up < 1295214270 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1295214386 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What... was the point of Notch programming in the spring duplication? < 1295214465 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do people actually eat weetabix? < 1295214467 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spring duplication? < 1295214473 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yes. It's nice. < 1295214476 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the way water behaves < 1295214499 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, there's a certain maximum damage a single TNT block can deal. < 1295214513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, with more TNT, can more damage be delt? < 1295214527 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I don't think so. < 1295214546 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it additive if exploding exactly at the same time < 1295214547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So elliott's wrong then. Ok < 1295214552 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The explosion algorithm is insane, and I think it's the reason TNT is woefully resource-heavy. < 1295214554 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was how TNT cannons worked < 1295214561 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, they have been rewritten in 1.2 < 1295214562 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Weetabix.jpg <-- this looks like something you'd be served as an indentured slave to the military. < 1295214623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Optimine stops TNT lagging things. < 1295214627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not really. < 1295214637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That picture is awful. < 1295214637 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optimine? < 1295214642 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also what, you soak them in milk. < 1295214652 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: They... really don't look like that :P < 1295214662 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: With some sugar and soaked in milk it's actually really tasty. < 1295214676 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It isn't hard or anything, when milk'd. < 1295214677 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hatred for milk makes that even worse :P < 1295214686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh... well you're just weird then. < 1295214692 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Srsly, it's nice :P < 1295214711 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minepedia explains the block-destroying process reasonably well, but not the interaction of multiple TNT blocks, except by noting that other TNT blocks may ignite from the explosion; it doesn't mention at which point it resets the damage-to-blocks counters. < 1295214716 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, use then. < 1295214725 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coca-Cola? < 1295214729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1295214732 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that article is on block interactions, isn't it? < 1295214732 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weetabix in coca-cola. < 1295214740 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not entities, which is what lit TNT is. < 1295214754 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The only dangers that a quarry presents are death from falling into the pit, death from hitting a magma flow, or by falling into a cavern due to recklessness and getting killed by a mob underground." < 1295214762 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES! You could also die of boredom < 1295214830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.minecraftwiki.net/index.php?title=Template:Blocks&diff=40037&oldid=39916 How annoying. < 1295214841 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, or from spiders getting into the pit. < 1295214853 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well yes, though it has an "interactions with entities" paragraph too, but that's just about how creatures and players get damage. < 1295214857 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you dipped it in chocolate, I could see it being food. < 1295214863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the dangers presented by mining plus one more. < 1295214875 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Sure :-P < 1295214906 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a very confusing sentence about high-resistance blocks: "The minimum block resistance required to absorb maximum blast force of TNT explosion (with at least attenuation of 2 steps) is 77.67, 63.5 of creeper explosion, 20.17 of fireball explosion. So water, stationary lava, obsidian, and bedrock are always indestructible, and furnaces and less resistant blocks can be destroyed by fireballs." < 1295214913 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what they mean by that. < 1295214948 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess "with at least attenuation of 2 steps" means that it takes 2 steps to get out of the TNT block itself. < 1295215060 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just thinking that bomb shelters made out of water are more economical than those made of obsidian < 1295215073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping < 1295215106 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Daemon escaped from pentagram < 1295215127 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, an interesting result of TNT resistance is that the Cube would be extremely resistant to single-floor TNT detonations. < 1295215192 0 :variable!~variable@unaffiliated/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1295215205 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? o.O? < 1295215239 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it would destroy the floor and ceiling of the level it was on (near the blast zone, at least). < 1295215246 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the damage would stop there. < 1295215321 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Cube made of? Also I don't know what it is, but I guess vertically it alternates block air block air? < 1295215375 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has lava between the floors for lighting. < 1295215403 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the cube fly < 1295215449 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1295215452 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it's glass with lava sandwiched between things like fizzie said. < 1295215471 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, lava sandwiches. < 1295215471 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lighting? < 1295215479 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's no air to move around in? < 1295215491 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1295215509 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :glass lava glass air air repeat? < 1295215513 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1295215519 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome < 1295215559 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see pictures < 1295215587 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, then buy MC and get to doing drudge work on it. < 1295215610 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Cube site is going to be a deathtrap now that health is on... < 1295215612 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just show me a screenshot? < 1295215631 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, it doesn't exist yet? < 1295215637 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1295215664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume there is easy access to a lava lake near the site? < 1295215670 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1295215698 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, there is not. < 1295215712 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to have renewable lava, but server-side inventory broke it. < 1295215738 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we sit and wait for Bukkit to be released and then bug ineiros for a lava kit and a chunk revert on Mt. Hoover. < 1295215752 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just abandon the site < 1295215756 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Find a lava lake < 1295215769 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or minecart system between current site and lava lake < 1295215771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mcmap is a lot shorter than I thought: < 1295215775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Totals grouped by language (dominant language first): < 1295215776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ansic: 2609 (89.20%) < 1295215776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh: 242 (8.27%) < 1295215776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl: 74 (2.53%) < 1295215776 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 2,925 < 1295215781 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Abandon the site that's had so much work done on it? I think not. < 1295215784 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Besides, one lava lake is NOT enough. < 1295215790 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: We need 16 thousand lava blocks per floor. < 1295215805 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecart system it is < 1295215837 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, 4000x4000? Why? < 1295215839 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1295215850 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :400x400 < 1295215867 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does a single lake hold? < 1295215876 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it depends on the lake. < 1295215888 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not enough" is invariably going to be the answer, though. < 1295215901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, can you estimate how many lakes you need per floor? < 1295215916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 400x400? < 1295215921 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 128x128. < 1295215952 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :126x126 (accounting for the edge) = 15,876. < 1295215961 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Far, far too many. Lakes are incredibly rare. < 1295215962 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And small. < 1295215963 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1295215964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so rare. < 1295215969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we'd have to basically go down to bedrock EVERYWHERE. < 1295216007 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait for update in which portals work in SMP? < 1295216042 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, AKA never. < 1295216055 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's not going to happen. < 1295216133 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1295216399 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How far away can a ditch be before it doesn't influence where water flows? < 1295216728 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: That's not going to happen. <-- oh? < 1295216748 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, check wiki? Page on fluids iirc < 1295216752 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portals are going to go to another server, apparently, but definitely never the Nether. < 1295216753 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot exact count < 1295216765 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the point was that the other server could hold nether. < 1295216770 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so one admin would run two servers < 1295216782 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and let portals work between them < 1295216788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That requires running two servers. < 1295216793 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, indeed < 1295216795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is impractical. < 1295216796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For most people. < 1295216798 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1295216812 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, reddit minecraft server could probably manage that < 1295216820 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt they would want to < 1295216827 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They already run TWO servers :P < 1295216830 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1295216836 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, creative/survival? < 1295216876 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and what happened to that server after hmod was gone (didn't they use hmod?) < 1295216945 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think some of the "big" servers are using their own hMod development builds. < 1295216953 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, yes, creatie/survival. < 1295216957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*creative/ < 1295216964 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1295216966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nerd.nu/ < 1295216971 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they're just downgraded. < 1295216975 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also have an additional beta server. < 1295216980 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that texture pack I wonder. < 1295217010 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, looks HD < 1295217017 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks quite nice, like Painterly HD. < 1295217051 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, boring: http://redditpublic.com/wiki/Rules#Creative < 1295217059 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay a few make sense < 1295217061 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot does not < 1295217062 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Looks like the creative server is running Bukkit. < 1295217068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sekrit build, presumably. < 1295217074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Redstone ore????? < 1295217080 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I have no idea < 1295217080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I can understand water and shit, even if it is stupid. < 1295217083 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But REDSTONE ORE??? < 1295217089 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FISHING ROD? < 1295217311 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flowing lava is banned in Survival, stationary lava isn't/ < 1295217654 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.208 JOIN :#esoteric < 1295217875 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, classic poetry ala moron ala Gregor: < 1295217876 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bird flew. < 1295217877 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why cant they stop, < 1295217877 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bird flew. < 1295217877 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they hav a cewre for canser, < 1295217878 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be able to stop a simple, < 1295217880 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flew. < 1295217900 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295217907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1295217913 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1295218610 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Exasperated < 1295218725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Should .d files go in build/ even for debug builds, since they're common to both? < 1295218824 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dependencies will depend on the macros that are defined though, so that's not guaranteed to be safe :) < 1295218875 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... it'll be "safe" but not necessarily correct < 1295218907 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh, you are right, it'll have $platform.{c,h} deps < 1295218914 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can't really do that without forcing both in or whatever < 1295218916 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1295218951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there needs to be a build system that considers make variables (including cflags) as dependencies :) < 1295218954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, uh, oh so much more < 1295218954 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1295218955 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc --make < 1295218957 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1295218968 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :) < 1295219104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: actually such dependency tracking should probably go in the OS ... < 1295219113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace can work for a lot of things, fabricate uses that, but it's imperfect < 1295219132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: again a case of forcing things to go at a higher level of abstraction allowing greater system integration :P < 1295219309 0 :acetoline!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1295220412 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :MOTHERFUCKING WEETABIX TASTE LIKE CARDBOARD | WEETABIX: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | WEETABIX WITH MOTHERFUCKING MERCURY IN IT: http://codu.org/projects/esotericlogs/hg/ | PAGES ABOUT WEETABIX: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page | WEETABIX, FUCKING WEETABIX | The Weetabix company would like to deny the claim that Weetabix tastes like cardboard. Having sampled a wide var < 1295220418 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'awwwww < 1295220467 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :WEETABIX TASTE LIKE CARDBOARD | WEETABIX: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | WEETABIX WITH MERCURY IN IT: http://codu.org/projects/esotericlogs/hg/ | PAGES ABOUT WEETABIX: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page | FUCKING WEETABIX | The Weetabix company denies the claim that Weetabix tastes like cardboard. Having sampled a wide variety of cardboard, the vast majority are not any m < 1295220499 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :WEETABIX TASTE LIKE CARDBOARD | WEETABIX: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | WEETABIX WITH MERCURY IN IT: http://codu.org/projects/esotericlogs/hg/ | PAGES ABOUT WEETABIX: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page | FUCKING WEETABIX | The Weetabix company denies the claim that Weetabix tastes like cardboard. Our fine natural additives completely eliminate cardboard flavor. < 1295220516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Weetabix tastes like cardboard" is possibly the first thing Americans ever said, so shut your face. < 1295220527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :MOTHER | FUCKING | WEETABIX | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1295220553 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :ELLIOTT'S MOTHER IS | FUCKING | WEETABIX | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1295220612 0 :Weetabix!~RawIRC@wb-dhcp2-38.wmiscable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1295220622 0 :Weetabix!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I AM YOUR FATHER < 1295220640 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Beet a wix | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1295220643 0 :Wamanuz3!~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1295220657 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time i read weetabix i think of Mr. Bix from the redmeat comic book < 1295220676 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Beet a wix | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | elliott denies claim of wheat-based parentage. More at 11. < 1295220679 0 :Wamanuz2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1295220706 0 :Weetabix!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1295220713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll beet YOUR wixed parentage. < 1295220917 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried a weetabix once... I threw it up. < 1295220981 0 :Mathnerd314!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because it was 3 months old < 1295221151 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :....did I have a dream about using Linux Mint? < 1295221152 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WTFs < 1295221485 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should I do next? < 1295221488 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a coulple hours < 1295221765 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :minecraft < 1295221835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t forM < 1295221836 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *) b. (Monad m) => [a] -> (a -> m b) -> m [b] < 1295221836 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yep! < 1295221853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mapM < 1295221854 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *) b. (Monad m) => (a -> m b) -> [a] -> m [b] < 1295221857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1295221882 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, not 3 or 4 lakes per floor, then? < 1295221890 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would have been survivable < 1295221948 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't pick up lava in my bucket :/ < 1295221953 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because it's a waterfall < 1295221959 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: yeah you have to get a source block < 1295221967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what? < 1295221975 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the cube < 1295222066 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I need something special to mine gold/redstone? < 1295222083 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or because it had so many suspicious chemicals in it? < 1295222259 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: ...? < 1295222283 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Redstone_(Ore) < 1295222285 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: iron or diamond pickaxe < 1295222295 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant: same for gold < 1295222376 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if I could make a web framework that's horrific as possible, to ensure that my prediction about Haskell comes true, while still not writing, you know, a *web framework*, because i'd feel awful < 1295222388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i make it out of category theory! < 1295222394 0 :j-invariant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1295222399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, best idea ever