< 1296604803 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nock? < 1296604846 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/nock-maxwells-equations-of-software.html, continued in http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html; relevantly, http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/decrement-in-reck.html < 1296604852 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first and the last are all you are likely to be interested in < 1296604972 0 :SimonRC!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1296604982 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1296605054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah at Nu being a very much non-Windows thing < 1296605120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why eek :) < 1296605151 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the sound of my brain going "too much work" < 1296605185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i think decrement is quite simple < 1296605223 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can get a conditional going, and recursion < 1296605241 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you have to construct the f such that *[s f] does it, not anything simpler :P < 1296605244 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the language is postfix kinda < 1296605608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:51:02 also -fpic NOT -fPIC < 1296605608 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:51:15 the lower case version is better on some platforms iirc < 1296605609 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_what_ < 1296605635 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1296605645 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1296605657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56:11 pikhq, well the difference is slight < 1296605657 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56:18 also x86-64 is the norm nowdyas < 1296605658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56:21 days* < 1296605658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:56:25 for linux < 1296605658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in Vorpal-land... < 1296605684 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was this? < 1296605707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :10.02.01 < 1296605738 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:04:06 At any rate, it's built. best not to think any more about it, right? :) <-- wrong. You always try to figure out *why* something unexpected happened < 1296605739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in Vorpal-land... < 1296606064 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1296606107 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1296606122 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:27:44 FP is STUPID!!!!!! < 1296606123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:28:02 anyone that wants to do functional programming without LAMBDA has lots his MARBLES < 1296606123 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :09:28:19 it's no coindicendec that LAMBDA is an anagram of MARBLES < 1296606140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you know, i don't think j-invariant is coming back... < 1296606219 0 :augur!~augur@pool-74-96-30-133.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296606462 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have lots my MARBLES < 1296606573 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, fun game < 1296606593 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: no < 1296606608 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSJBeV2hNUE < 1296606698 0 :pingveno!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1296606715 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music in that video is unfamiliar to me < 1296606773 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A closed door < 1296606773 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a rather obvious obstacle to any adventurer, but there are several < 1296606773 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ways to deal with one. Probably the most obvious method of getting < 1296606773 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :past a door is to try to open it; to do that, just try to walk into it < 1296606777 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1296606783 0 :pingveno!~pingveno@c-98-246-133-8.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296606783 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I FIND NETHACK IS NOT VERY REALISTIC < 1296606846 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T TESTED THAT METHOD ON SUFFICIENTLY MANY _REAL_ DOORS < 1296606852 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find *insert video game* not very realistic < 1296606859 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have. < 1296606865 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: usually doesn't work :( < 1296606896 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but if you do it _enough_ times, head first, i'm sure your sense of reality will start adjusting. < 1296606928 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the door might need some new hinges too < 1296606960 0 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1296607010 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if it works in nethack, it works on the first try < 1296607035 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: nethack adventurer is THE JUGGERNAUT, BITCH < 1296607088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1296607089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works on the first try in reality too. it's the repetitions that are a bitch. < 1296607100 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ deep truth < 1296607115 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Will you please stop saying you're sorry?" "Sorry" < 1296607120 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine doing that myself < 1296607224 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296607280 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: are you watching M*A*S*H? < 1296607286 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guesses today's square root of minus garfield was also inevitable. < 1296607317 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... \sqrt{-garfield}? < 1296607326 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1296607332 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/ < 1296607344 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, DS9 < 1296607385 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :summary of dwarf fortress after having played it for an afternoon: kind of like minecraft but with the micromanagement of widelands and the difficulty and GUI of nethack < 1296607387 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do they frequently feature bad puns? < 1296607403 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should I say UI rather than GUI perhaps < 1296607407 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my goodness. < 1296607419 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: they have an overly long gag based on the format you see there < 1296607425 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes. < 1296607431 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other puns too, probably < 1296607432 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, you never heard of \sqrt{-garfield} before? < 1296607438 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060015.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296607457 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I tell pikhq to read the entire Mezzacotta archive, will he do it? < 1296607475 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. he might _try_, perhaps. < 1296607525 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=9 *grin* < 1296607529 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Not only no but fuck no. < 1296607548 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I am not infinitely prolonged. < 1296607557 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hears his dad shouting on the phone at his step-mom < 1296607564 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Nope. < 1296607625 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296607706 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, huh. I was pretty sure you took part of discussions mentioning it before... < 1296607731 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1296607816 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1296608522 0 :cal153!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1296608773 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296608934 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296609031 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296610021 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1296610285 0 :cal153!~cal@c-24-4-207-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296610734 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296610801 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I make fun of coppro now? < 1296610832 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296611226 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On a clear disk, you can seek forever." -- HP-UX manual, circa 1985 < 1296611417 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2011/2/104395-puzzled-parsing-partitions < 1296611422 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting article < 1296611668 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296611932 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296612030 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296612407 0 :tswett!ihope@128.12.169.86 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296612412 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I ask this question in Finnish? < 1296612432 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translatefromto en fi How do I ask this question in Finnish? < 1296612432 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Heimo, Herobrine. Even though "heimo" isn't a greeting.) < 1296612452 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miten kysyä tätä kysymystä suomeksi? < 1296612491 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOOKS PLAUSIBLE < 1296612540 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I like what "mys" means in Swedish. What's the equivalent Norwegian word? < 1296612557 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translatefromto sv en mys < 1296612559 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mys < 1296612571 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it apparently means "coziness". < 1296612580 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1296612594 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kos", i suppose < 1296612667 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :translatefromto sv no mysigt < 1296612668 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :koselig < 1296612676 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look like a cognate, but then again, the English word "do" doesn't look like the Spanish word "hacer" even though they are cognates. < 1296612693 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's a cognate to "cozy", surely < 1296612696 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is full of natrual language geeks too? < 1296612696 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::V < 1296612704 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish is soo different < 1296612716 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: there's even a real linguist here (hi augur) < 1296612718 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look like one to "mys", though. < 1296612723 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like from an other planet < 1296612726 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, it's almost certainly a cognate to "cozy". < 1296612730 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ohai < 1296612733 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought people usually said that about Japanese. < 1296612737 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Finnish. < 1296612746 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: hi! Are you one of those one-language linguists? Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just wondering. < 1296612759 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: people also say that Finnish is just a cipher of Japanese. < 1296612769 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: there's a certain similarity between them, syllable structure and agglutination < 1296612780 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what do you mean one language linguists < 1296612789 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: THAT YOU ONLY SPEAK ENGLISH < 1296612792 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monolingual linguists. < 1296612794 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What oerjan said. < 1296612803 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, do i only speak one language? yes. < 1296612813 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, well. < 1296612815 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can say this. < 1296612820 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of that one before. < 1296612821 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :=p < 1296612835 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems... wise for a linguist to know multiple languages. < 1296612838 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, the non-computer science related communities I go to are usually anime related. < 1296612866 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But eh, if just knowing English works out for you. < 1296612879 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(An if-only sentence. There is no then, only an if.) < 1296612882 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: i mean you blather on about syntactic typed calculi and stuff, but do you _ever_ discuss in japanese like the real geeks here? nope. < 1296612895 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: knowing another language isnt terribly important. < 1296612904 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no what < 1296612911 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i discuss japanese < 1296612914 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats to discuss < 1296612921 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: THAT'S A JOKE < 1296612941 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sou ka < 1296612957 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: although this outsider _does_ feel it's somewhat suspicious to call yourself a linguist without any _actual_ breadth of language experience < 1296612974 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which outsider < 1296612979 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- this one < 1296612980 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linguistics sure isn't *about* knowing lots of languages. < 1296612981 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1296612986 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one to oerjan's left. < 1296612989 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1296612995 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well its not like i dont have experience with other languages < 1296612998 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats tswett -----### < 1296612999 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linguists are assholes < 1296613004 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT ALMOST ALLITERATES < 1296613008 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just dont speak any well enough to say i speak them at all < 1296613019 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: you mean they're talking out their asses? < 1296613042 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're talking out of anything they can < 1296613053 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theres no music in it < 1296613084 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But knowing only English for a linguist is like knowing only about cats for a biologist. Sure, lots of facts that are true of cats are true of life in general. But many are not; if you only study cats, you never know what might be present in other animals. < 1296613089 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: good, good. i guess. < 1296613106 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i exaggerate a lil < 1296613110 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: whoa whoa you're making the wrong analogy < 1296613121 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :knowing only english for a linguist is like BEING only a human for a biologist < 1296613133 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine I am; I'm not the linguist here. < 1296613141 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tell you lots of things about other languages' grammars < 1296613158 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than most speakers know about the grammars < 1296613165 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just cant speak them < 1296613194 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, then you do know other languages well, for the purposes that you use them for. < 1296613209 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i dont _know_ them in any real sense < 1296613217 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know facts about them < 1296613223 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1296613255 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of The Mathematician's Lament < 1296613261 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lockhart's Lament? < 1296613262 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like lots of people know facts about caesar and brutus < 1296613268 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but noone _knows_ caesar or brutus < 1296613275 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*A < 1296613278 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes < 1296613282 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweez < 1296613286 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-z+t < 1296613292 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :analogy < 1296613296 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I met Caesar once. I put him on my salad. He was delicious. < 1296613303 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1296613304 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: are you making an analogy out of my surname? < 1296613309 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: how brutal < 1296613316 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i? < 1296613324 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you should. < 1296613357 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1296613852 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296613950 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296615051 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296615148 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://manageddreams.com/osmpbb/ < 1296615150 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a sad. < 1296615183 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: is it blue with a gold stripe across the head? < 1296615194 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lost my sad a little while back, been looking all over for it < 1296615241 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:::***)(~(~(:a~*):^))~(a)~^^SS < 1296615242 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((((~(~(:a~*):^))))) ...out of stack! < 1296615422 0 :Lymia_!~moe@adsl-69-149-49-147.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296615428 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1296615429 0 :Lymia_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Lymia < 1296615430 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1296615430 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1296616447 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((:::***)(~(~(:a~*):^))~(a)~^^())((:^(:)~*(*)*a~a~*(((T)(F))~*^(^)~^^^S!)~a*^)~:a~**^):^ < 1296616447 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((~(~(:a~*):^)))(~(~(:a~*):^))~(~(:a~*):^)~(:a~*):^(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a ...too much output! < 1296616467 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((:::***)(~(~(:a~*):^))~(a)~^^())((:^(:)~*(*)*a~a~*(((T)(F))~*^(^)~^^^!S!)~a*^)~:a~**^):^ < 1296616468 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :FFFTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ...out of time! < 1296618838 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :- < 1296618839 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1296618987 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to stop it with the ugly-ass backtick "face" or at least put a space in front of it < 1296619096 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1296619785 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [00:33:42] afaik we don't have any indians or chinese here, though < 1296619785 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : [00:34:26] hm wait that was during european day wasn't it < 1296619798 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhm yeah it was night for east and south Asia by that time already < 1296619966 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296620035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my mind triggered on the mention of "2 billions" --> china + india < 1296620115 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposed to be Europe + Africa + west Asia :p < 1296620894 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296622358 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296624385 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The enzo" wtf < 1296624396 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wrapanap.com/order.html < 1296624558 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :same color as the car? < 1296624646 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is too good at procrastination. < 1296624659 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been home for 8 hours. I have done nothing so far. < 1296624667 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8. Fucking. Hours. < 1296624726 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you could get outraged over sony's lawsuits a bit more < 1296624737 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a fairly productive pastime < 1296624747 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296624857 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296624967 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Nothing new on that front, so *shrug* < 1296624978 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there a car named after the Active Worlds CEO? < 1296625047 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.activeworlds.com/index.php?title=User:E_N_Z_O&oldid=18626 < 1296625075 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Anki, how you make it so easy for a having-done-nothing day to have actual accomplishments in it. < 1296625109 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anki? < 1296625126 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :flashcards? < 1296625170 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anki is a fairly good SRS (spaced repetition system) program... < 1296625175 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use it for studying Japanese. < 1296625206 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, flashcards with an algorithm that prevents you from wasting too much time. < 1296625249 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it attempts to model when you're likely to forget a card, so that it only shows up when seeing the card will actually be helpful. < 1296625262 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than, say, showing the same damned cards every day. < 1296625544 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it almost *necessary* for learning kanji. < 1296625723 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1296625730 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to be a double red cell donor < 1296625757 0 :benmoreassynt!~roland@d24-150-44-163.home.cgocable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296625836 0 :benmoreassynt!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1296626066 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: BTW, thank you so much for cluing me in on Heisig. It's been about a year since, and, well, it's been amazing. < 1296626074 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heisig? < 1296626085 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Heisig's "Remembering the Kanji". < 1296626090 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1296626094 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Also essential. < 1296626117 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Learn (roughly) the meaning and (exactly) the writing of the commonly used kanji! < 1296626156 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: no problem :) glad you made it through it! that's more than I did :P < 1296626171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I've gone from struggling to understand stuff for 2nd graders to struggling to understand ja.wikipedia.org courtesy of that. < 1296626207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I read untranslated manga for pleasure now. Yay. < 1296626223 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's verbal? < 1296626235 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoken japanese and grammar are actually pretty easy < 1296626251 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in some ways, anyway < 1296626256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Quite a bit below my reading comprehension, but it's improved by leaps and bounds. < 1296626565 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296626660 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296627494 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I shocked by Moove still existing? < 1296627859 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5uptErhetY how did this embed itself into my subconsious so quickly that when I found it on YouTube, I was certain it was a different song < 1296627893 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1296627895 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1296627915 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant I thought that I thought what was playing in my head when I f... argh < 1296628364 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296628473 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296628857 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033089.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1296629123 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296629126 0 :Zuu_!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1296629563 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296629673 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296630125 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296630370 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1296630492 0 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d9329d69.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296630763 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296630874 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296630891 0 :hi2u!hi2u@CPE0026f326c940-CM0026f326c93d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296630930 0 :hi2u!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1296631355 0 :Zuu_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296631632 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1296631962 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296632071 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296632593 0 :evincar!~chatzilla@daffa.student.rit.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1296632636 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, here I am, more than twelve hours later than I planned. < 1296632700 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's relatively lousy timing for this channel < 1296632736 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, do you mean you've been traveling or something? < 1296632996 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall go to sleep. < 1296633126 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (()~:a(~^)*~(()(~(~(:a~*):^))(a))~*^^)(::**)~^ < 1296633147 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (()~:a(~^)*~(()(~(~(:a~*):^))(a))~*^^)(::**)~^(~aS:^):^ < 1296633147 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :((((~(~(:a~*):^)))))()((::**)~^)() ...out of stack! < 1296633171 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1296633295 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, I mean I told elliott to look at something I was talking about earlier with ais523, and that I'd be back in a couple hours after a nap. Twelve hours later... < 1296633303 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1296633308 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...though not nearly all of that time was sleeping. < 1296633514 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1296633599 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1296633600 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1296633781 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296633872 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS:):((:*)~^(::**)~^(:*)~^)^ < 1296633872 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:*)(::**)(:*) < 1296633924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS:):((:*)~^(::**)~^(:*)~^)^S < 1296633924 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:*)(::**)(:*)aS: < 1296633946 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS:):((:*)~^(::**)~^(:*)~^)^(aS:^):^ < 1296633946 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:*)(::**)(:*)(aS:^)(aS:) < 1296633966 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS:):((:*)~^(::**)~^(:*)~^)^(~aS:^):^ < 1296633966 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:*)(::**)(:*)(aS:)(aS:) ...out of stack! < 1296634172 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor, poor fungot. < 1296634173 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: it can say " make this a bit and watch it toast? or decide the project is quite quixotic. that being said, it comes to mobile code it has good parts and bad parts. the dynamic environment < 1296634193 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. < 1296634198 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight. < 1296634205 0 :evincar!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Toast... < 1296634343 0 :aloril_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296634882 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296634981 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296635044 0 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1296635126 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296635188 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228060150.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296635354 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS:):(:((0)(!(1)(!(2)(!(3)(_))))(^))~*^^!Sa(~^)*~a*(:)*^)((:*)~^(::**)~^(:*)~^)^(~aS:^):^ < 1296635354 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2(:*) ...out of stack! < 1296635409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS:):(:((0)(!(1)(!(2)(!(3)(_))))(^))~*^^!Sa(~^)*~a*(:)*^):((:*)~^(::**)~^(:*)~^)^(~aS:^):^ < 1296635409 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2(:*)3(::**)2(:*)(:((0)(!(1)(!(2)(!(3)(_))))(^))~*^^!Sa(~^)*~a*(:)*^)(:((0)(!(1)(!(2)(!(3)(_))))(^))~*^^!Sa(~^)*~a*(:)*^)(aS:)(aS:) ...out of stack! < 1296635538 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS:):(:((0)(!(1)(!(2)(!(3)(_))))(^))~*^^!Sa(~^)*~a*(:)*^):((:*)~^(!())~^(:*:*)~^)^(~aS:^):^ < 1296635538 0 :fungot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2(:*)0(!()) ...bad insn! < 1296636081 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296636180 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296637281 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296637379 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296638480 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296638485 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296638579 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296638613 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131210.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296639093 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1296639441 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1296639612 0 :Tritonio!~TrT@ppp-94-64-124-86.home.otenet.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1296639779 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296640380 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296640880 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296640979 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296641712 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296641912 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1296642105 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296642555 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:37:53 oerjan: you know, i don't think j-invariant is coming back... ← we didn't think he was coming back when he was fax either. < 1296642591 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know him from #haskell, was he a great contributor to this channel? < 1296642839 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a long story which I a) don't know the entirety of and b) can't be bothered recounting. < 1296643177 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296643273 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296643665 0 :cheater-!~cheater@e181132027.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296643731 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1296643940 0 :Tritonio!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296644377 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296644473 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296645577 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296645673 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296646196 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1296646776 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296646843 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1296646870 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1296646873 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296647976 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296648072 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296648594 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha... Lagerhom apparently tried to make countdown to first RIR depletion but apparently the code is quite buggy... < 1296649178 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296649272 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296650375 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296650474 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296650739 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1296650766 0 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-27-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1296651291 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1296651318 0 :Deewiant!~deewiant@cs186230.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1296651541 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1296651575 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296651674 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296652065 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296652775 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296652876 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296653039 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033089.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1296653133 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1296653382 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1296653953 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296654362 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1296654476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:58:38 summary of dwarf fortress after having played it for an afternoon: kind of like minecraft but with the micromanagement of widelands and the difficulty and GUI of nethack < 1296654485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Er, DF is *much* more difficult than NetHack. < 1296654555 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296654623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:22:49 (Heimo, Herobrine. Even though "heimo" isn't a greeting.) < 1296654625 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it's a bot < 1296654667 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:28:02 augur: hi! Are you one of those one-language linguists? Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just wondering. < 1296654668 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how many diseases do you have, resident doctor? < 1296654672 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ais523 < 1296654677 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1296654690 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you know when I couldn't access anything? < 1296654711 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the system started working again, programs were working but Gnome was frozen (the shell, that is) < 1296654711 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1296654713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1296654719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't say Gnome and shell in the same sentence < 1296654721 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had to log out via control-alt-backspace to get anything done < 1296654745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:31:34 augur: although this outsider _does_ feel it's somewhat suspicious to call yourself a linguist without any _actual_ breadth of language experience < 1296654750 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems that that didn't work properly, I just got an automated email to tell me that I'd left gnome-panel running for over two days and it was killed automatically < 1296654762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :again... "Asking a linguist how many languages they know is like asking a doctor how many diseases they have." < 1296654793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, it's a fairly stupid aphorism) < 1296654796 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it's amusing) < 1296654877 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, with "linguist" there, the analogy does actually hold up < 1296654890 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that a doctor would be trying to get rid of diseases they had < 1296654900 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a linguist wouldn't have any motive to forget languages they happened to know < 1296654917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although they wouldn't have a massive motive to learn new ones either) < 1296654918 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: linguist != someone who knows languages < 1296654930 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, off-topically, http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/odd/news/a300850/diddy-sued-for-causing-911-attack.html < 1296654940 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose it's rather esoteric < 1296654978 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: linguist != someone who knows languages <--- I know, what about my comment would have given a different impression? < 1296654992 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that URL is pretty freakish as it is < 1296655002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not just because of the random string of hex (or possibly, letter+decimal) < 1296655006 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A woman named Valerie Turks filed the suit against Diddy, whose real name is Sean Combs, alleging that he was the cause behind the collapse of the World Trade Centre in 2001 and stole a poker chip from her worth "100 zillions of dollars"." < 1296655022 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[Diddy] went through Kim Porter and Rodney King and knocked down the WTC and then they all came and knocked my children down. Set me up to be on disability and disabled my baby. He put my baby in a wheelchair," Billboard quotes Turks as saying in her legal papers. < 1296655035 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you get lawsuits that silly once in a while < 1296655045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was one during the SCO vs. Novell case < 1296655049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"- -and then for lunch, I knocked down the World Trade Centre -- but anyway, how was your day?" < 1296655051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-- and < 1296655063 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(debate: is World Trade Centre a correct spelling?) < 1296655079 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not SCO vs. Novell itself, although that was pretty silly as it was; someone who was in prison at the time decided to try to intervene in the case) < 1296655095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It all started with tarsorrhaphy. Really." --Google < 1296655107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh, on which side? < 1296655114 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw something on Fark saying that Wikipedia had a redirect... < 1296655118 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Turks, who is asking for $900 billion dollars in child support and$100 billion dollars for 'loss of income', --" -- well, that sounds eminently reasonable! You can hardly raise a child with less. < 1296655130 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[We created about 100 “synthetic queries”—queries that you would never expect a user to type, such as [hiybbprqag]. As a one-time experiment, for each synthetic query we inserted as Google’s top result a unique (real) webpage which had nothing to do with the query. Below is an example:]] < 1296655131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1296655139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine finding those before they revealed it :D < 1296655140 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they wanted to replace SCO in the case, on the basis that they were being incompetent < 1296655146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh: http://www.google.com/search?q=hiybbprqag < 1296655159 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it returns genuine results now < 1296655160 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiybbprqag.com goes to a Google job site now < 1296655163 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly talking about the story in question < 1296655180 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :For the discussion of hiybbprqag and mbzrxpgjys | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1296655221 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1296655233 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :delhipublicschool40 chdjob! < 1296655248 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently Comcast have moved some of their customers to IPv4/IPv6 dual stack < 1296655250 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would happen if some poor sap really wanted to find information about these things?! < 1296655261 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Slashdot comments say it's because they ran out of space in 10/8 < 1296655268 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aren't Comcast terrible in every other aspect, though? < 1296655284 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think so < 1296655287 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did run out of space in 10/8 for their "control plane" network, and had to register public addresses for it. < 1296655292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, reddit has "joined" the Free Software Foundation, but I'm not sure what they mean < 1296655293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, FSF associate < 1296655301 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also vaguely recall Comcast doing a largeish trial of 6rd. < 1296655309 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels odd < 1296655311 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :running out of space in a class A for your own control network is pretty impressive < 1296655312 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though reddit is mostly open < 1296655325 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't reddit full of ads? < 1296655334 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Games are ads! < 1296655363 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I got an advert for a Windows registry scanner < 1296655370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to actually click on it just to see what will happen < 1296655383 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my theory is that it'll load in Wine, and scan the Wine registry, if I do < 1296655390 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1296655390 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1296655392 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[By the way, your replies in this thread strongly suggest to me that you're trying to adjust your definition of "generalisation" to fit the responses, rather than taking them into account.]] <-- probability of them taking this seriously: 0 < 1296655399 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go to school, don't I? < 1296655399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Erm, usually they don't actually scan the registry. < 1296655404 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a tremendous milestone for Comcast, cable operators, and the Internet community at large, and it is a critical milestone in our many years of work to prepare IPv6 to work seamlessly in a residential broadband Internet network. Each user has been delegated a /64 block of [--]." < 1296655405 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would hide the Z: drive first. :p < 1296655407 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a chroot. < 1296655417 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: BROUGHT TO YOU BY WOLFRAM RESEARCH < 1296655421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, I'm unlikely to actually /do/ it < 1296655429 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might also make a user for the purpose < 1296655443 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah blah your "tremendous milestone for -- the Internet community at large"; there's a whole pile of ISPs that have been doing that for who knows how long. < 1296655453 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol, not in the US < 1296655462 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I run closed-source Windows programs that I suspect are either a) potentially malware, or b) have ridiculous DRM, I use a separate user without write access to anywhere but /tmp, /var/tmp, and its own home dir < 1296655466 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in the UK, it's non-trivial to find an IPv6 ISP < 1296655470 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all small < 1296655478 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not smaller than the Comcast trial. :p < 1296655485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, tru. < 1296655490 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On January 11th, 2011, our first 25 IPv6-enabled users came online in the Littleton, Colorado area." < 1296655503 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, so they've expanded now to an unspecified, larger number, but still.) < 1296655505 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, MPLAB C30 definitely counts as ridiculous DRM < 1296655506 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even BE have IPv6, which is kind of annoying. < 1296655510 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because it's GPLed < 1296655513 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog/2011/02/02/egypt-is-back-online-2 < 1296655513 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: all DRM counts as ridiculous DRM < 1296655520 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so patching the DRM out was surprisingly simple < 1296655538 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, theory: GPLv4 will prohibit obfuscating the source < 1296655544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that DRM is always easy to remove < 1296655545 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GPLv2 did that < 1296655550 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: really? :D < 1296655567 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, their definition of source excludes obfuscated source < 1296655578 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so idiots won't be allowed to program anymore? < 1296655596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, new theory, taking into account the fact that the GPL is already crazy: GPLv4 will prohibit writing unreadable code < 1296655599 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to go put clothing on and go to school < 1296655607 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPLv5, then, will mandate the GNU coding standards be used, and that the code is eminently readable < 1296655622 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPLv6 will specify which fonts you are allowed to use when editing the code. < 1296655627 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPLv6 will just be a requirement to hand your project over to the FSF> < 1296655627 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... Ubuntu wants to upgrade the kernel from 2.6.32.28.31 to 2.6.32.28.32 < 1296655633 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently as a security update < 1296655645 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, that kernel is from like 2009 < 1296655647 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty recent < 1296655649 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the most minor version number bump I've ever seen for that sort of update < 1296655650 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't even see his updates < 1296655655 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just go automatically < 1296655663 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The duck go. < 1296655665 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that sounds like a local patch version < 1296655671 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think kernel.org kernels come in such versions < 1296655675 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My router is still running .33 but it's been running for quite a while now so it's excusable < 1296655675 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6.32.28 was released in 2011-01-07. < 1296655680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not exactly "like 2009". < 1296655693 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*The pig go < 1296655694 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1296655695 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kfr: well, I reboot every time I go home or to work < 1296655695 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not all updates can be installed" uh oh < 1296655699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's fast enough anyway < 1296655713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need strong AI in my IRC client. < 1296655719 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the fifth number is Ubuntu-specific there. < 1296655733 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is there a new major Ubuntu release? < 1296655737 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: normally that's because two or more clash, and is relatively common in -proposed versions of Ubuntu, at least < 1296655739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1296655745 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is it showing me the distribution upgrade screen? < 1296655746 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, those happen in April and October < 1296655758 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because the distribution updater is the only one that knows how to handle that sort of clash < 1296655762 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1296655763 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the regular one can't < 1296655764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just cancelled it < 1296655767 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now the regular one pops up < 1296655771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i get it back :D < 1296655784 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo aptitude dist-upgrade from the terminal < 1296655791 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the synaptic equivalent is < 1296655795 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ouch! < 1296655797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dist-upgrade is NOT the same < 1296655810 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1296655814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : full-upgrade < 1296655814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Upgrades installed packages to their most recent version, removing < 1296655814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : or installing packages as necessary. This command is less < 1296655814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : conservative than safe-upgrade and thus more likely to perform < 1296655814 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : unwanted actions. However, it is capable of upgrading packages that < 1296655815 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : safe-upgrade cannot upgrade. < 1296655818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it isn't actually called dist-upgrade) < 1296655826 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it was renamed slightly < 1296655855 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1296655857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :update-manager --dist-upgrade < 1296655858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1296655868 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1296655880 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it easier to use a rolling release distro? I always found this whole staged distro stuff somewhat irritating < 1296655898 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it wants to install ttf-droid < 1296655917 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really finish up kitten < 1296655920 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kfr: it depends on what you want to do; staged lets you control when your system is most likely to randomly break, which helps if you're using it for something important < 1296655920 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid this ubuntu mayhem < 1296655931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what did kfr say? < 1296655959 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he or she asked why people would use a staged distro over a rolling release distro < 1296655963 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I used Debian for quite a while < 1296655988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because staged distros are often less hassle to manage, obviously... a rolling release distro with someone sane and conservative enough in charge works fine < 1296656007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but e.g. Arch is run by crackheaded monkeys running off the cliff of stability into a gigantic pit of lava marked "THE FUTURE" < 1296656023 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Arch on my servers, the router and the notebook :D < 1296656040 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run yes | pacman -Syu in a daily cronjob < 1296656043 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My good luck charm < 1296656095 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it repeatedly broke stuff with PostgreSQL and Apache) < 1296656102 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sites were down for days until I noticed that) < 1296656113 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course what everyone should use is Kitten. < 1296656132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's the only Linux distro that manages to say with its very existence, "get off my lawn" < 1296656132 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Kitten? < 1296656140 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I have never heard of it before < 1296656144 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's vaporware Linux distro < 1296656144 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall google it < 1296656149 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaporware? :D < 1296656151 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not vapourware, just too-busy-for-it-ware < 1296656152 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :googling it probably wouldn't work very well < 1296656167 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kittenlinux.com/index.shtml < 1296656171 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same? < 1296656182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I could assemble a system that I'd call "Kitten" right now, but I'd prefer to get a package manager going first < 1296656190 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of nice to have < 1296656192 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes :P < 1296656197 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: according to kfr's link, you probably have a naming clash < 1296656202 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm pretty sure you don't own kittenlinux.com < 1296656203 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1296656214 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, they stole my fucking logo < 1296656216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1296656228 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...who cares about some Fedora user :D < 1296656243 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm sure I can usurp it, since when is first-come first-serve a reasonable policy? < 1296656248 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :KITTEN LINUX EHIRD KITTEN LINUX EHIRD KITTEN LINUX EHIRD KITTEN LINUX EHIRD KITTEN LINUX EHIRD KITTEN LINUX EHIRD KITTEN LINUX EHIRD KITTEN LINUX EHIRD KITTEN LINUX EHIRD KITTEN LINUX EHIRD < 1296656273 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, it's just as vapourware as mine, except it has a vaguely self-congratulatory website with way too many italics < 1296656274 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so bah < 1296656288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, all it has is the top google spot; the rest of the results are false positives < 1296656296 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, apart from: 8 Dec 2008 ... Kitten is based on Linux in part, but makes different design choices that are targeted at scalability (low noise, deterministic behavior) ... < 1296656303 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296656305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's hardly relevant: https://software.sandia.gov/trac/kitten < 1296656316 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, i never consciously named it Kitten < 1296656329 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had some name ideas, but called it Kitten as a joke until I decided on one, and then I forgot them < 1296656329 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name just happened? < 1296656335 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it just kept being called Kitten < 1296656349 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was originally a joke a la "and a pony!" < 1296656354 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1296656458 0 :cheater-!~cheater@g230230231.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1296656468 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1296656488 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@86.241.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296656492 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi :-) < 1296656495 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1296656515 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi impomatic < 1296656650 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you need to make a patch that does undo! < 1296656651 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1296656676 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I met somebody in ##asm who had written an assembler in Prolog, I was very impressed by that < 1296656689 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: err, wrong channel? < 1296656691 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't really tried Prolog but I'm told it's very interesting < 1296656697 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Food for thought < 1296656701 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i don't want to talk there :) < 1296656703 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we're both in both #esoteric and #nethack, and your comment would make sense in #nethack but not #esoteric) < 1296656715 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes! it's for secrecy < 1296656729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you don't want to admit you're a savescummer? < 1296656739 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: :troll-feeding: < 1296656750 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything can be expressed with a fake emoticon name; that's my theory of life < 1296656752 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: meh, it can be amusing sometimes < 1296656763 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, ok, but very annoying for everyone else < 1296656771 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in #esoteric, isn't our typical response to trolls to countertroll them until they give up? < 1296656784 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why are you refering to me as a troll? < 1296656789 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I can't figure out if it's cheater- trolling, or me < 1296656793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: I'm not, I'm responding to elliott < 1296656809 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: elliott is an idiot. never mind him. < 1296656816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, cheater- is either very idiotic or a troll, but it's irrelevant because what he does is the same < 1296656834 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iddiott: sorry, i reserved the idiot insult first! < 1296656939 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: returning to what we were talking about before we were so rudely interrupted, an undo feature would be fun to learn the different outcomes from a single situation < 1296656948 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for newbies definitely a fun way to play the game < 1296656966 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably, wizmode is more useful in the first case < 1296656989 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NetHack tends to be kind-of unsatisfactory with savescumming, especially to a new player < 1296657000 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as bad when you're experienced and know the sort of things it would be interesting to test < 1296657004 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but wizard mode gives you abilities beyond what you normally would be able to do < 1296657009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point? < 1296657010 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore it's not as useful for learning < 1296657019 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you set the situations you want to test up < 1296657024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than have to have them happen naturally < 1296657024 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when learning you want to be confronted with situations that normally come up < 1296657030 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, you don't < 1296657032 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :savescumming to learning? < 1296657033 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want them to happen naturally < 1296657034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*learn? < 1296657036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1296657050 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to use wizmode precisely to test things that only come up once in a blue moon < 1296657050 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a great way to become someone who gives up every time they die, i guess < 1296657064 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the stuff that comes up all the time comes up all the time, so you learn it quickly enough < 1296657067 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. i want to use undo to test things that come up naturally. < 1296657074 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not quickly enough for me < 1296657096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think NetHack is possibly the wrong game for you < 1296657123 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1296657128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys, i want to learn dwarf fortress < 1296657129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :except < 1296657131 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think you're trying to patronize me by following the general beaten path way of playing nethack as opposed to being creative and finding fun new ways to enjoy it. < 1296657132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to be able to go back in time < 1296657135 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that whenever i fuck up < 1296657140 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have to lose my precious fortress < 1296657149 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can |_| plz hax0r it 4 me ais523? < 1296657155 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;;)) < 1296657181 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: as Dwarf Fortress is a sandbox game in a way, I can see more reason to savescum it than I can to savescum NetHack < 1296657194 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack's a sandbox game in wizmode too, but it doesn't make for a very /good/ sandbox game < 1296657198 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Fun < 1296657201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(redirect to http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Losing) < 1296657207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Losing is fun! < 1296657207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, it keeps you busy. < 1296657207 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no internal end point, single goal, final Easter egg or "You Win!" announcement in Dwarf Fortress. Therefore, eventually, almost every fortress will fall. The only ones that don't tend to be very conservative and very boring—and what fun is that? Therefore, DF = losing /\ DF = fun => losing = fun, and that's okay! It's a game philosophy, so embrace it, own it, and have fun with it! < 1296657209 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most new players will lose their first few forts sooner rather than later; when you lose a fortress, don't feel like you don't understand the game. Dwarf Fortress has a steep learning curve, and part of the process (and fun!) is discovering things for yourself. However, this Wiki serves as an excellent place to speed up the learning process. < 1296657212 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it so unimaginable to play nethack in a way that it's not played normally? < 1296657213 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you lose, you can always reclaim fortress or go visit it in adventurer mode. < 1296657215 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're looking for more ways to test yourself, try either the mega construction or the Challenges articles.]] < 1296657218 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if Dwarf Fortress didn't have losing, it wouldn't be a game < 1296657234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Minecraft is a game on a technicality -- you can die by being killed, which counts as losing) < 1296657239 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1296657240 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't lose in WoW < 1296657244 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-1hk-whXJI < 1296657266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry, that's close to the perfect comeback but I had to look up the link) < 1296657289 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, you guys actually released the TAS? < 1296657293 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1296657293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is the project still ongoing? < 1296657296 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :still ongoing < 1296657300 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the start < 1296657305 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is happening :D < 1296657307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how you're called F < 1296657332 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please get hallu at some point < 1296657334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, are you? < 1296657340 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: say what? < 1296657344 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallu would cause a desync the way we're doing things < 1296657350 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: ais523: is it so unimaginable to play nethack in a way that it's not played normally? < 1296657370 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it this way, if you're going to savescum, you want to do it /properly/ < 1296657375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater-: you could always code your own cheating code rather than telling ais523 to do something he obviously isn't going to do < 1296657388 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would also have the side-effect of not polluting #esoteric with lines both idiotic and offtopic < 1296657389 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iddiott: you could always just /ignore me < 1296657395 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's _my_ job) < 1296657434 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : what the fuck is happening :D <-- http://gitorious.org/nethack-tas-tools/mainline/blobs/raw/master/turnbyturn.txt < 1296657445 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's over ten thousand words now, and I felt the need to write it just to explain what was happening < 1296657447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you think that will answer my question? < 1296657457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not a very good NetHack player :) < 1296657466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's designed to be understood by people who don't know about NetHack much < 1296657474 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that long partly because it explains all the relevant mechanics < 1296657475 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: will you do another TAS on the most favourable day? < 1296657497 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, most of the relevant mechanics are ones that never come up in "real" games, so I need to explain them to veterans too < 1296657504 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no, because it would look basically the same < 1296657528 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1296657552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that there have been < 1296657552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :none at all since the release of NetHack 3.4.3, < 1296657557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: can you not play a release on a day before it was released? < 1296657557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1296657568 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: obviously not, that would be unrealistic! < 1296657576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. unlike minecraft! < 1296657578 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1296657580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. unlike nethack! < 1296657583 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tend to take the "theoretically possible" bit rather pedantically) < 1296657592 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so the game doesn't actually stop you :) < 1296657597 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's theoretically possible to set your clock back! < 1296657611 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes < 1296657619 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would be illegally modified hardware < 1296657628 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, probably not, I'm just being excessively pedantic) < 1296657636 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and there's no reason /not/ to pick a date after the release of 3.4.3) < 1296657651 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be theoretically possible to be someone who has left earth at light speed and used the twin effect to result in them being in the most favourable day < 1296657680 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did something similar in the Pokémon World Championships, using a more difficult method to control the RNG to produce perfect Pokémon just in order to leave them with possible timestamps < 1296657688 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, I left the timestamp as close to the actual time as I could < 1296657699 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I made sure it was neither before I bought the game, nor in the future < 1296657749 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1296657771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Amusingly, this dependence on the moon phase can < 1296657771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause desyncs on occasion; this is likely the only TAS that will have < 1296657771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :been desynced by running a script on a full moon by mistake." < 1296657771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1296657775 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to make a roguelike now < 1296657782 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and devote 20 pages to the RNG < 1296657793 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might theoretically have practical advantages, in that I was vaguely expecting them to ban Pokémon caught with impossible dates in order to exclude the majority of RNG controllers in a way that wasn't clearly impossible to enforce < 1296657805 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will take into account the phase of the moon, the stock market (using the Internet) and its difference from predictions of the stock market, < 1296657817 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1296657818 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the day on which Easter falls in that year, ... < 1296657831 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : this might theoretically have practical advantages, in that I was vaguely expecting them to ban Pokémon caught with impossible dates in order to exclude the majority of RNG controllers in a way that wasn't clearly impossible to enforce < 1296657832 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I translated an Easter-finding algorithm from Algol-68 into C once < 1296657836 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I could actually run it < 1296657839 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you cheated in a way people didn't want you to? :) < 1296657840 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how un-ais523 < 1296657845 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was completely legal < 1296657854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, just against the spirit < 1296657863 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone actually asked the people in charge of the tournament, and said that they didn't like it but couldn't think up a way to ban it, so it was legal < 1296657894 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides ais523 is Lawful Neutral < 1296657901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a really insidious way < 1296657915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, Lawful isn't referring to following the letter strictly) < 1296657937 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: normally I wouldn't act like that, but it was a world championship qualifier < 1296657940 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm going to do the best I can within the rules < 1296657965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This means that there's a hard < 1296657965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :limit of 46 minutes 58 seconds for the run, because at 1am, the game < 1296657965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would become slightly less difficult as undead damage reverted to < 1296657965 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normal, so we would no longer be playing at highest difficulty." < 1296657966 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1296657969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're crazy < 1296657972 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yep. < 1296657978 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with that thing you said earlier. < 1296657984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: WELL I DON'T < 1296658015 0 :Vonlebio_!5ead0b15@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.173.11.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296658039 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a _gnome+? :D < 1296658042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*_gnome_ < 1296658058 0 :tswett!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, then, I don't agree with it either. < 1296658067 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that's a good starting inventory, ais523 < 1296658340 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296658672 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@CPE001f5b00390f-CM001225d878d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1296658926 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1296659072 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what? < 1296659080 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_: ...what? < 1296659084 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh, comma pings. < 1296659093 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you going on about gnomes? < 1296659105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why... do you have gnome... on ping. < 1296659111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_: See logs. < 1296659165 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1296659166 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waitwhat < 1296659239 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no mention that lets that make sense in today's logs. < 1296659246 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The .txt. < 1296659430 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1296659968 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_: -minecraft < 1296660139 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296660191 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :~47 minute time limit vs. one WIP (apparently almost the latest I found) being 25 seconds long... I'll check what the final turn number is... < 1296660349 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1296660477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-1hk-whXJI is rather longer than 20 seconds < 1296660647 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I found a input movie file dated 2011-01-09. According to emulator's computation of length, it is 24997ms long (rounded down)... < 1296660718 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how up to date it is (I'm checking that now). < 1296660895 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296660930 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1296661038 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: elliott == copumpkin. < 1296661065 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1296661091 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ Quit ] elliott (~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott): Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1296661091 0 :kfr!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ Join ] copumpkin (~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod) < 1296661103 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1296661106 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1296661527 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@178235033089.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1296661623 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296661713 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one get an unaffiliated hostname? < 1296661723 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: by asking in #freenode < 1296661745 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just go there, identify to nickserv if you haven't already, and ask for an unaffilated cloak < 1296661751 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wait for one of the Freenode staff to notice < 1296661751 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just hand them out? < 1296661753 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1296661753 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nifty < 1296661787 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do they do that instead of traditional hash cloaking? < 1296661865 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1296661872 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps in case someone bruteforces the hash < 1296661883 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no matter how secure the hash, that would be pretty easy due to the limited space in IPv4 < 1296661896 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1296661904 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1296661906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention, dynamic IPs would hash to completely different strings, thus defeating the point < 1296661953 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1296661987 0 :nddrylliog!~ndd@gprs23.swisscom-mobile.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1296661987 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, autopickup doesn't waste a turn? < 1296661990 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a bug to me < 1296662003 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai! < 1296662009 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes the game go better < 1296662010 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wouldn't that actually make you more secure? < 1296662010 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nddrylliog < 1296662018 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, there's a balance < 1296662024 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it show that part of the name anyway? < 1296662028 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so you can ban trolls < 1296662031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, then pickups should take 0 turns < 1296662038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've been wondering about it < 1296662057 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's another fun one: while blind, : takes 1 turn, m, takes 0 turns if you cancel it and gives basically the same information < 1296662058 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: trolls aren't asking for unaffiliated cloaks. and they already benefit from dynamic IP allocation :P < 1296662068 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I've done 1 year worth of research in two days < 1296662072 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well, dynamic IPs tend to stay within the same block < 1296662080 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: that's entirely possible < 1296662086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: wat < 1296662090 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they the first 2 days of the year? or the last 2? < 1296662119 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, I just have extra wikipedia+paper-reading skillz < 1296662126 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.05 from APNIC today. < 1296662156 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the feeling that the Curry-Howard correspondence has been *way* under-exploited < 1296662196 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: it really hasn't :) < 1296662201 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coq and Agda use it to fullest effect < 1296662216 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: you'd like j-invariant. if e was still here. < 1296662216 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1296662221 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: is that, that APNIC allocated 5% of a /8 today? < 1296662225 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. two, maybe three languages. that's not what I call properly exploited < 1296662227 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he still posts on reddit < 1296662251 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: hm. last time he got banned from here, he left the internet entirely for months. < 1296662252 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously, there are only a handful of teams that work on it. that's insane < 1296662257 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: I've exploited it in haskell too < 1296662260 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1296662263 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he got banned in here? < 1296662267 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why did he get banned? < 1296662268 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he just left cause I'm a twat < 1296662272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: but the teams are really big < 1296662286 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: j-invariant = soupdragon = fax = MissPiggy = quantumEd = infinite number of nicknames < 1296662288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric := faxathisia < 1296662292 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: e got banned /months/ ago in 2010 < 1296662296 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget vixey < 1296662297 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: and then came back recently < 1296662310 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: was the huge number of nicks against some rule? if not, you didn't answer my question < 1296662312 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :j-invariant was the first one I've come across that actually used a new nickserv < 1296662319 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for spamming "FUCK YOU" in-channel < 1296662321 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.05x/8 that is... So 5%... < 1296662324 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah < 1296662329 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, what did you do in haskell regarding curry-howard ? < 1296662335 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: it's not going to last more than a couple of months at that rate < 1296662340 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: after Vonlebio_ (Phantom_Hoover) said "You fail at Life", where life there means the /Game/ of Life < 1296662360 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more a straw-camel-back type situation though, e'd been going a bit crazy before that < 1296662371 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.16x/8 left before phase 3... < 1296662373 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: I did some trivial "proofs" (you have to trust that I didn't put any bottoms in) of properties of the naturals < 1296662408 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin, I see. Well proofs are fancy and all but I'm more interested in carrying computations from proofs than the other way around < 1296662411 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell as a theorem prover < 1296662413 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1296662420 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: that doesn't really happen < 1296662426 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :proofs are usually erased at compilation time < 1296662432 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you could get much useful computation out of them < 1296662440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you can, it's likely that they're actually more functions than proofs < 1296662444 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, they happen to prove something too < 1296662477 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: does that even make sense? < 1296662488 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well my thinking is that if you 1) express properties 2) hint on how to develop algorithms the compiler should be able to do wonders. But I still have to prove that (with, like, a proof-of-concept, not a proof) < 1296662495 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1296662502 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of agree with nddrylliog < 1296662502 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_, I'm not sure, apparently I'll find out in 9 years < 1296662505 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proofs in a Curry-Howard setup tend to just be some function whose final result is a proposition. < 1296662505 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: uh huh :) < 1296662511 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: well yes I kind of agree < 1296662515 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: but < 1296662528 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call my language "kindof" < 1296662533 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, does "kindof" works? < 1296662535 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more invariants you can specify in your inductive types (à la GADT) the easier it is to prove properties about your programs, without writing explicit proofs for most of it, because your algorithms are carrying proofs with them < 1296662537 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: the way you talk reminds me more of the overly-optimistic side of visionary :P < 1296662543 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit like conor's sort algorithm in epigram < 1296662554 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that provably sorts the list, but has no real proof in it < 1296662571 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the really optimistic way would be to forget about the "hint" part < 1296662596 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole challenge is how to express hints that aren't too overly-verbose (otherwise you could just as well go imperative and be done with it) nor too hard on the compiler / too implicit < 1296662610 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm only using "compiler" because I have no better term right now and that "proof assistant" gives me chills < 1296662652 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: why are you interested in this stuff? < 1296662704 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_, well, I've already exhausted the whole Java/C++/C#/whatever object-oriented fraud there is universe by re-implementing mine and being unhappy with it as well. So I'm trying something new < 1296662725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, some option values were chosen < 1296662725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to make the game look visually better and to remove < 1296662725 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :timeconsuming animations: < 1296662729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: visuals? setting that option takes time!!! < 1296662760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: you should get interested in ursala! instant guaranteed obscurity < 1296662766 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: my brain cannot cope with that statement. < 1296662786 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_, would you like me to rewrite it to normal form? < 1296662789 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/nddrylliog/fe2/blob/master/array-second.fe2 I demand royalties, nddrylliog. < 1296662793 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is there *any* kind of doc? < 1296662793 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand endless fucking royalties. < 1296662795 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: yes. < 1296662804 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'll give you candy < 1296662804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: there's a whole book-manual < 1296662809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: http://www.basis.netii.net/ursala/manual.pdf < 1296662813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepare for insanity! < 1296662820 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is our resident Ursala know-it-all* fan* < 1296662823 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*know-it-nothing < 1296662824 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not fan < 1296662839 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 2.6Mb? are you trying to make my mobile subscription explode? < 1296662858 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: you're in Switzerland, surely you are rich! < 1296662878 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : YOUR ARGUMENT IS INFALLIBLE < 1296662883 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm also in a train. < 1296662887 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to be completely ignoring my request >_> < 1296662891 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: what's .ooc? < 1296662901 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_: http://ooc-lang.org/ < 1296662904 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog's regret. < 1296662905 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_, I'd rather not talk about it < 1296662906 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, can anyone here think of a remotely sane way of automatically testing Linux kernel-mode keyloggers? < 1296662909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ? < 1296662910 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_, go ask on #ooc-lang < 1296662925 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: give it to someone evil, wait to see if security advisories trickle in < 1296662939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: omg i want to troll them < 1296662947 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: "so hey, this nddrylliog guy says ooc sucks, is he right?" < 1296662948 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, assume I have a great number of them, most of which will probably lock up the kernel < 1296662950 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i troll them < 1296662954 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, haha, try < 1296662956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: give them to LOTS of evil people < 1296662969 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : nddrylliog: Fe2 looks very cool, but also very academic (i.e. I don't understand a nugget of it) < 1296662970 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i asked in #freenode for an unaffiliated cloak and the +v's are saying stuff like i never asked... < 1296662983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you just have to keep asking every three hours < 1296662991 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1296662999 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That movie is the latest. Ends on turn 426. And as said, the length is bit less than 25 seconds. < 1296663002 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how many tries should i expect it to take? < 1296663007 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: cool < 1296663012 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 2-3 is typical for #freenode < 1296663056 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The one in youtube is slowed down a lot (to avoid dropping frames). < 1296663063 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it depends on if any staffers are paying attention < 1296663070 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :DISCUSSION OF GOATS | HTTP://GOAT.ORG/ | NO NON-GOAT-RELATED TALK | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | NO < 1296663075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RED ALERT < 1296663079 0 :locks!u130@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fbtyqmhwoifzohzz JOIN :#esoteric < 1296663088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locks: GOATS < 1296663090 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides beneath the bleachers < 1296663097 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O GOD IT HAS STARTED < 1296663105 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES < 1296663106 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you'll handle the influx < 1296663108 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I don't like that topic < 1296663109 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAN THE LIFEBOATS! < 1296663110 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wot? discussion of goatse? < 1296663115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ssssh! < 1296663117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nddrylliog mentioned us in #ooc-lang! < 1296663120 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's our only hope! < 1296663123 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :secure secure secure shell! < 1296663129 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a REALLY secure shell < 1296663186 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296663197 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much is happening so far... < 1296663212 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :told ya < 1296663213 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296663224 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That level of security must obviously involve X.509 and PKI up the wazoo... No matter if those working with X.509 wouldn't trust it for access control to beer fridge... < 1296663245 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they're too boring < 1296663264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :For the discussion of hiybbprqag and mbzrxpgjys | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1296663293 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Ex-Chat < 1296663305 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog's nick would not be out of place in the topic < 1296663322 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this place bombs < 1296663330 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locks: It totally bombs. < 1296663341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locks: http://esolangs.org/ may be enlightening. < 1296663352 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog is in here because ooc is so bad it counts as an esolang HAHA < 1296663414 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't diss ndd, poor fellow < 1296663457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locks: we love him, it's just that he gets unhappy if we mention ooc < 1296663458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that regret < 1296663476 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vonlebio_, well, I've already exhausted the whole Java/C++/C#/whatever object-oriented fraud there is universe by re-implementing mine and being unhappy with it as well. So I'm trying something new <-- maybe I'll put that in the #ooc-lang topic < 1296663479 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now I'm trying to figure out just who you're trolling < 1296663481 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's +t < 1296663485 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: EVERY OOC USER < 1296663489 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all 3 of them < 1296663586 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR having a pleasant conversation with nddrylliog once, but I can't remember what it was for the life of me. < 1296663617 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_: http://i.imgur.com/KEujW.jpg < 1296663623 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you say to becoming invisible and killing everyone? < 1296663623 0 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296663625 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, offtopic #esoteric has really shifted < 1296663626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry, -minecraft ->) < 1296663631 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be all about trolling nowadays < 1296663637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does? < 1296663657 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all 3 of them", I laughed < 1296663672 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, more today specifically, than nowadays < 1296663734 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are a funny bastard < 1296663740 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm not < 1296663741 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least so far < 1296663753 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does that mean i have expectations to keep up? < 1296663758 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :worrying < 1296663771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally people just accept that I'm irritating and I go about my day < 1296663780 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :noone < 1296663786 0 :noone!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :elliott < 1296663813 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: paste your self-uudecoder again? < 1296663837 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which version specifically? < 1296663838 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C code that generates it? < 1296663842 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean uudecoding it produces itself? < 1296663844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the actual machine code < 1296663844 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the executable that does the encoding? < 1296663850 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eigenstring for uudecoding? < 1296663854 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_: no, it's a printable x86 executable < 1296663857 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that uudecodes things < 1296663860 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why it's self- < 1296663860 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the executable that prints out the C code that does the encoding? < 1296663866 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it doesn't uudecode < 1296663871 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I just want the thing that's x86 machine code. :p < 1296663873 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And printable. < 1296663882 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to find eigenvalues for EVERYTHING. < 1296663884 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a program that generates printable executables that print arbitrary binary < 1296663909 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: an executable that prints the C code, then < 1296664002 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP_W^VH%35%DCPYXPH%=5%=CP[]UM#(UX%??t&* * * * ZR 1() !GFF=\ouU0_0<0^3L1L0^292L1^1Q1L2Y1D1\3R3P0A3B2D0<1p3p3o11131p3>2D0<3:0<18253<2:170D021p3D0>0A0D0<183<3:1:1D0432041p24143o031p2D0p331o0A2D0B2A3I1J2I1J2D321124310o13031D0=0p3o0302113A220=2I1J2I1J22112o0D011412112B02112o0D042A0D0432041p2B2B2D0o2B1I1J2n3I1J2p231o0o1p212D0B042=0?0B1B2B042B242A142B1B2B042A1@2B1=342B3@1m0m032p0o1o0p3B0D2<2@090@061@1;0@15050@382@380@0D2A0B0o2132130B2B1@263o251B1A042A1@ < 1296664004 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :3=342B3@3=3I1J2B0B2B02112o0B2B1B2o2=1323331o043B0B0o2132130B2B1@163o251B1B1A1;193;2=311412112B011412112B0A1@3A0o2B1A0o2B1>2@1>2A132p0p22112o032B0B0o2132130B2B1@263o251A0I1J2D2C143C143D2A0C380C3B3C3=0C3A1B2B02112o0B2B1B2o2A3?0A1B0B2B02112o0B2B1B2o2=0C3p0C3B1B2C3<0C3A0C3@0C3B3B2B02112o0B2B1B2o2C1?0B1>2D1B0B0@163o251=1B0o2132130I1J2B2B13213p03112B0B0o2132130B2B1@163o251A0D2p242D2B1B1C2C2B0@263o251=1B0o2132130B2B13213p03112B0B0o2132130B2B1@ < 1296664006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :263o251A0D2o3B342D2B1B1C2C2@2@2B332p0o1o0p3B0I1J2D2608053735272:0C1@3?1C1;0<380616080:0C1=1?1C1=1<38063517191D3B07160C1=350=3o0C2B2D0B2D0B2D0B2D06282D0@1B0B1D0D1;3;2;2=1505013o171@053@0=0@052@390@1D2I1J2D290@052@2>1@290@152@1D2A0B0o2132130B2B1@263o251B1C2C211412112B0A1@1A0o2B1C2C232p0o1o0p3B0D2<0<0<1?1D2A0B0o2132130B2B1@263o251B1C2C2B0C3m2C3B332p3313123B0I1J2B0o2132130B2B1@263o251A0>0@1A0@0B1A0@ < 1296664007 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1B1C2C2B0B0B2B02112o0B2B1B2o2=132o0311010B0B0o2132130B2B1@163o251B1C1@2?1?2B1A011412112B0A1@3A0o2B1A0B0B2B02112o0B2B1I1J2B2o2=132o0311010B0B0o2132130B2B1@163o251B1A3?0A3?2?0B1A011412112B0A1@3A0o2B1A032431013p331B0B0o2132130B2B1@163o251B1A032431013p331B0B0o2132130B2B1@263o251I1J2B1B2@0B1B1>2@1>3I1J2m1I1J2@@A5 < 1296664016 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there is no whitespace past the end of the first line) < 1296664021 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :did all four lines arrive? < 1296664031 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yikes, don't you have something shorter? < 1296664036 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the one that ended with "AIS" < 1296664038 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me get a hello world < 1296664041 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they all end @@A5 < 1296664045 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where A5 are my initials < 1296664068 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP_W^VH%35%DCPYXPH%=5%=CP[]UM#(UX%??t&* * * * ZR 1() !GFF=\ouU0_0<0^3L1L0^292L1^1I2L0Y1D1\3R3P0:031101013A0D0o313p21030D1J2@@A < 1296664070 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that's a hello world < 1296664084 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think it ends with a UNIX newline < 1296664095 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, it does < 1296664125 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you forgot the last 5 < 1296664130 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes, copy/paste fail < 1296664139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: works as a COM, right? < 1296664141 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it actually matters < 1296664143 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, .com < 1296664158 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does the newline matter? < 1296664169 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the A5 at the end is to cause the loading to fail noisily rather than silently if there's enough space to load the executable, but not enough stack space to run it < 1296664178 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which only happens if your memory below 640K is almost exhausted < 1296664182 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1296664185 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does the newline matter, though? < 1296664188 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably not, but it feels weird printing a UNIX newline on a DOS system < 1296664232 0 :nddrylliog!~ndd@dhcp-83-219-106-130.customers.tvtnet.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1296664247 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1296664250 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you actually assemble that, or? < 1296664258 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XP_W^VH%35%DCPYXPH%=5%=CP[]UM#(UX%??t&* * * * ZR 1() !GFF=\ouU0_0<0^3L1L0^292L1^1I3L0Y1D1\3R3P0:031101013A0D0o313p21030D1I1J2@@A5 < 1296664260 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, that's better < 1296664264 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_: no, I wrote the machine code by hand < 1296664281 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that there aren't any control flow instructions made entirely out of printable characters < 1296664292 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead, you have to construct them at runtime using instructions that are < 1296664317 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: wait, is that second one functioning? < 1296664325 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vonlebio_: ? < 1296664327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works in DOSBox, IIRC < 1296664335 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1296664347 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're interested in Eigenratios, this blog is pretty interesting http://eigenratios.blogspot.com < 1296664347 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work on wineconsole, though < 1296664370 0 :nddrylliog!~ndd@dhcp-83-219-106-130.customers.tvtnet.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1296664376 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also exploits a few features of DOS which were there for backwards compatibility even in DOS 1 < 1296664387 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are incredibly obsolete nowadays, but preserved just in case anyone still cares about them < 1296664399 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :backwards compatibility in DOS 1? O_o < 1296664421 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, it misinterprets the CP/M compatibility return address as a character in order to initialise registers < 1296664439 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the very first instruction, the X, is actually a pop instruction < 1296664474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: very unupdated though < 1296664512 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the P is a push that puts the 0 back onto the stack so I can use it for other things < 1296664522 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should disassemble that sometime, although the disassembly goes crazy after a while < 1296664586 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: There's quite a few oddities in DOS because of its odd history... < 1296664609 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: btw, which DOS are we talking about? There was a few different flavours, IIRC < 1296664643 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used the MS-DOS 3 manual to write suuda, although I wouldn't be be surprised if it worked on other DOS flavours too < 1296664644 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS-DOS and related OSes.\ < 1296664663 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, MS-DOS 3 was massively obsolete when I wrote it) < 1296664682 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS-DOS 1 didn't even have directories < 1296664696 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, but MS-DOS 3 had pretty much all the features that you'd care about. < 1296664727 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And it ought to be compatible with everything that you'd find called "DOS"... < 1296664958 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, \ and / are both valid path seperators on DOS. < 1296664966 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a *UNIX* "compatibility" feature. < 1296665059 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1296665239 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296665364 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-49-88.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1296665433 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I care... Obsolete stuff needs to be preserved :-) < 1296665454 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there probably is a "your mom" joke hiding in there < 1296665460 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: about what? < 1296665466 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, those features in DOS < 1296665470 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I care too, because I used them < 1296665485 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I wonder if nowadays, CP/M executables /still/ run correctly in NTVDM? < 1296665534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: meanwhile, in #ooc-lang, somebody is arguing that you can store Chaitin's constant in a number variable, "with enough laziness" < 1296665540 0 :Vonlebio_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1296665547 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog why don't you like disown these people and go on a pilgrimage ... a pilgrimage of fire < 1296665553 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's even worse than merely stupid to ask a linguist those questions < 1296665562 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: it's RACISM < 1296665574 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: heh, that's hilarious; it'd work up to a point, and I'm not even sure it's decidable where that point is < 1296665580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : wandernauta: I suggest you look up "computable number" on WP. < 1296665580 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : WordPress? < 1296665585 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we expect humans to have any sort of insight into their language, we expect only native speakers to have such insights < 1296665587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn nddrylliog, don't you have ops in this thing so you can ban everyone :( < 1296665590 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait locks is in here < 1296665595 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY OERJAN WE NEED BANS < 1296665595 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: about CP/M compatible file i/o. < 1296665597 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1296665605 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, let's recap 1) I'm not responsible of whatever is on ooc-lang.org 2) I'm not responsible of whoever is on #ooc-lang 3) I'm not responsible. EOL < 1296665617 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost by necessity, since the object of study in linguistics is naturally acquired language < 1296665634 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: then who do i blame :( < 1296665635 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :god? < 1296665668 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ask your mirror < 1296665668 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame yourself, fool < 1296665682 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I _erase_ stupidity from this world. with knives. < 1296665686 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::} < 1296665690 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :everytime I come back to IRC, I wonder why I left < 1296665695 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :then eventually I remember < 1296665697 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I remember < 1296665705 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: don't worry < 1296665707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all nice in here < 1296665712 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stay here, forever < 1296665724 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you kidding? you're horrible, horrible people. That's why I feel at home here. < 1296665735 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote elliott: are you kidding? you're horrible, horrible people. That's why I feel at home here. < 1296665740 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1296665742 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, some of us are more horrible than others < 1296665747 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :285) elliott: are you kidding? you're horrible, horrible people. That's why I feel at home here. < 1296665755 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're really nice horrible people < 1296665761 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have several quotes in there < 1296665764 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :best way to erase stupidity is to educate < 1296665765 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you search? < 1296665778 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, up to a certain point. then it's time for knives < 1296665799 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :educating people is hard. they say stupid things and it hurts. < 1296665803 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: quote foo < 1296665808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :searches with spaces don't work because i don't know why < 1296665816 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: pastequotes foo links you to all the results for that < 1296665821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote this system, it's totally expert. < 1296665822 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably screwed up your shell escaping < 1296665825 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote elliott < 1296665826 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :208) elliott: i like scsh's mechanism best: it's most transparent and doesn't really serve a very useful feature. \ 211) elliott: it's hard to debug havoc on your mirror if you accidentally hit r, then a character could be multiple words long, depending on the task. \ 220) elliott: My university has < 1296665833 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i didn't < 1296665835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :url bin/quote < 1296665836 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/quote < 1296665837 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote nddrylliog < 1296665839 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :276) are you always careful to have a small enough margin so that it can't contain the proof? nddrylliog: i usually use latex, and make sure my hd is almost full \ 277) I went to chat with him after his talk at the ELC and he was like "hum, right - humans. How do they work again... oh, hi!" \ 278) < 1296665841 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: see for yourself < 1296665851 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: note that in hackego, \$1 contains the whole argument line < 1296665863 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastequotes nddrylliog < 1296665863 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21628 < 1296665882 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he doesn't know what rationals are :( < 1296665908 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the "heavy liquor" one is good. < 1296665919 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately 277 lacks context :/ I was talking about Walter Bright < 1296665926 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: we just remember context < 1296665931 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier than stuffing it all into one irc line :P < 1296665939 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably should have put [on Walter Bright] before, though < 1296665946 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can you edit? < 1296665951 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: well technically yes. < 1296665956 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: will you edit? < 1296665956 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run grep humans. quotes < 1296665958 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : I went to chat with him after his talk at the ELC and he was like "hum, right - humans. How do they work again... oh, hi!" < 1296665966 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's walter bright and why is he so bright < 1296665979 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locks: he's to D what I'm to ooc < 1296665980 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locks: guilty < 1296665985 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: [about Walter Bright] or [on Walter Bright] < 1296665996 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I prefer "on", it can be mis-interpreted < 1296666000 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :run sed -i 's/$$.*humans\..*$$/[on Walter Bright] \1/' quotes < 1296666000 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on < 1296666003 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1296666003 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote 277 < 1296666004 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :277) [on Walter Bright] I went to chat with him after his talk at the ELC and he was like "hum, right - humans. How do they work again... oh, hi!" < 1296666009 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1296666010 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPERT SED < 1296666012 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks a lot < 1296666016 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote who's walter bright and why is he so bright locks: he's to D what I'm to ooc locks: guilty < 1296666017 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :286) who's walter bright and why is he so bright locks: he's to D what I'm to ooc locks: guilty < 1296666020 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, subtitle "ELC" as "Emerging Languages Conference" < 1296666025 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: no, fuck you < 1296666028 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1296666032 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: \o/ < 1296666032 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :              | < 1296666032 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :             /`\ < 1296666037 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we need a substring-based annotation system < 1296666038 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and comments < 1296666042 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and folksonomic tags < 1296666049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coded in Ruby < 1296666053 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for hipsters < 1296666054 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why Ruby? < 1296666058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :working only on OS X < 1296666058 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for hipsters < 1296666058 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stopwait wtf @ myndzi < 1296666060 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ag < 1296666061 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ah < 1296666069 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: because it /was/ hip, but then it wasn't < 1296666069 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUBY IS AWESOME SUKER < 1296666070 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi is tabbig wrong :/ < 1296666073 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's hip again, because it's retro < 1296666074 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o < 1296666075 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1296666075 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  | < 1296666075 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  >\ < 1296666077 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: it's for mirc users < 1296666078 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o < 1296666081 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :,o, < 1296666084 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/ < 1296666086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :grr < 1296666086 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what \o/ < 1296666086 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     | < 1296666086 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     |\ < 1296666088 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget what triggers it < 1296666091 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1296666091 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     | < 1296666091 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :     >\ < 1296666092 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: they fail at spaces < 1296666095 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/\o/\o/ < 1296666095 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  |  |  | < 1296666095 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : /´\ >\/| < 1296666096 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thiought /o/ triggered it too < 1296666096 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :            | < 1296666096 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           /| < 1296666096 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1296666099 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1296666103 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi sucks < 1296666103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :/o/ \o/ \o\ < 1296666103 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ¦   ¦   | < 1296666103 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : ´¸¨ ´¸¨  >\ < 1296666104 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try this again /o/ < 1296666104 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                          | < 1296666104 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                         /| < 1296666107 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh. < 1296666110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use a proportional font :D < 1296666110 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M GONAN /o/ OUT OF HERE < 1296666110 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          | < 1296666111 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :          |\ < 1296666116 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so do I < 1296666125 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC has no inherent reason to line up in columns < 1296666324 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just tradition. < 1296666335 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296666380 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you here? < 1296666399 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: you here? < 1296666427 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: let's talk about hiybbprqag. < 1296666461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1296666461 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :very. < 1296666472 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :about what? < 1296666485 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer mbzrxpgjys myself. < 1296666492 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locks: we could talk about mbzrxpgjys if you prefer < 1296666508 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :both, at the same time < 1296666533 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ijoijioj < 1296666562 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, get out of here, you pervert. < 1296666577 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwljqw < 1296666581 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pedohiybbprqag. < 1296666585 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds dirty < 1296666613 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ssadasdsn!!! < 1296666638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pedo hi! Why BB... prqag? < 1296666680 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have done something more interesting with the prqag. poor qag :( < 1296666680 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*public relation gag. < 1296666723 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes having a "fuck it's cold" day. < 1296666733 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have had one yesterday, but oh well.. < 1296666854 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it. Are you speaking some kind of esoteric human language? < 1296666892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLEARLY < 1296666942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :motirontà'tehàyo! < 1296666944 0 :addyf3!~addyf3@118.100.77.224 JOIN :#esoteric < 1296666955 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name is iniguo montoya < 1296666957 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've killed my father < 1296666959 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :prepare to die < 1296666964 0 :addyf3!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooo < 1296666967 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :addyf3: c < 1296666969 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: ouch, you screwed up that quote badly < 1296666972 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1296666972 0 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1296666977 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn the witch < 1296666978 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: bahh. my cloudy brain doesn't care < 1296666983 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: TADA < 1296666987 0 :addyf3!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1296666988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* quintopia has quit (Changing host) < 1296666988 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :* quintopia (~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia) has joined #esoteric < 1296666996 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, it's inigo, not iniguo < 1296666998 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die. < 1296666998 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, someone useful appeared! < 1296667001 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: you scared addyf3 away quickly! < 1296667003 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's you, not you'ved. < 1296667004 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i had to ask again) < 1296667013 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :7yaukdjlflsd/fadsf < 1296667036 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: Well, yes. Given that he is exacting revenge *decades* later... < 1296667050 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jgs v fgvyy qba'g trg vg :-( < 1296667067 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, regardless, I didn't say *you've _just_ killed my father*. < 1296667076 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ssddfdfwew3 < 1296667084 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nddrylliog: "You've killed my father" kinda suggests that it just happened. < 1296667093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Inigo Montoya isn't the protagonist? maybe i should actually watch the films :D < 1296667103 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: s/films/film/ < 1296667103 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1296667104 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1296667104 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is A protagonist < 1296667105 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this time < 1296667107 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Or read the book. < 1296667109 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are several < 1296667112 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought Inigo Montoya was from Kill Bill ... I swear to god < 1296667115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm really confused < 1296667119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol i'm not kidding < 1296667121 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did i even < 1296667121 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The Princess Bride. < 1296667124 0 :nddrylliog!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......... < 1296667127 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Princess Bride FAIL you are terrible person < 1296667128 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm gonna crawl up into a hole now and wonder what happened to my life < 1296667129 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is one of the best movies ever. < 1296667132 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Watch it now. < 1296667132 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i'm just < 1296667134 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did i < 1296667138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1296667138 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1296667144 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :good boy < 1296667169 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a "My name is Inigo Montoya" t-shirt < 1296667185 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to remember where I put my copy of that book. < 1296667187 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Princess Bride is famous for all sorts of things < 1296667188 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went into #irssi and was like "are there any experts here?" and they're all "ask your real question" and i'm like "here's my real question:" and they're all "" < 1296667204 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna take that as a no, no experts today < 1296667214 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao < 1296667230 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is everyone in here a bitch? < 1296667238 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask your real question, locks < 1296667244 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :locks: I doubt there's any female dogs on IRC. < 1296667261 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are on twitter < 1296667264 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nothing if you're not an idiot. i do it all the time. < 1296667271 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : i thought Inigo Montoya was from Kill Bill ... I swear to god ← CURL UP IN A HOLE AND DIE < 1296667289 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is your copy the one with red/black text? < 1296667291 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1296667294 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you all forgotten yet < 1296667300 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I don't think so. < 1296667305 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that kid who didn't know where inigo montoya was from is back < 1296667308 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1296667330 0 :locks!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1296667550 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1296667555 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1296667734 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... A graph predicting APNIC exhaustion end-May... Then RIPE in end-August and ARIN in end-September... < 1296667917 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARIN's more likely than the others to get /8s handed back to it, I think < 1296667927 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when's the press conference happening? < 1296667948 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow at ? < 1296668006 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ? is a metasyntactic variable, rather than a punctuation mark? < 1296668052 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK, 1430Z or something like that... < 1296668068 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. < 1296668102 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, at least there's /no way/ IPv4 will last out until 20123 < 1296668104 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2102 < 1296668105 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*2012 < 1296668121 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus, won't lead to the end of the world < 1296668157 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This graph would show depletion of 3 of 5 RIRs before this year is over... < 1296668171 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: That's crazy. < 1296668241 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AfriNIC will likely start depleting a lot faster when people who need IPv4s get a colo in Africa just so they can get at them < 1296668376 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, LACNIC... LACNIC also includes the caribean (which should have better connectivity than Africa...) < 1296668449 0 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1296668457 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please tell me the TAS run will end up killing Ischak < 1296668464 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is that how you spell it? < 1296668475 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Izchak", and we never meet him < 1296668477 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Izchak < 1296668482 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how far along are you? < 1296668483 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's in an optional part of the game, and we have no reason to go there < 1296668486 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... Do requests for