00:00:03 nock? 00:00:46 oerjan: http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/nock-maxwells-equations-of-software.html, continued in http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html; relevantly, http://moronlab.blogspot.com/2010/01/decrement-in-reck.html 00:00:52 the first and the last are all you are likely to be interested in 00:02:52 -!- SimonRC has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 00:03:02 eek 00:04:14 Blah at Nu being a very much non-Windows thing 00:05:20 oerjan: why eek :) 00:05:51 that's the sound of my brain going "too much work" 00:06:25 oerjan: well i think decrement is quite simple 00:07:03 if you can get a conditional going, and recursion 00:07:21 also you have to construct the f such that *[s f] does it, not anything simpler :P 00:07:24 i think the language is postfix kinda 00:13:28 12:51:02 also -fpic NOT -fPIC 00:13:28 12:51:15 the lower case version is better on some platforms iirc 00:13:29 _what_ 00:13:55 -!- copumpkin has joined. 00:14:05 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:14:17 12:56:11 pikhq, well the difference is slight 00:14:17 12:56:18 also x86-64 is the norm nowdyas 00:14:18 12:56:21 days* 00:14:18 12:56:25 for linux 00:14:18 maybe in Vorpal-land... 00:14:44 when was this? 00:15:07 10.02.01 00:15:38 13:04:06 At any rate, it's built. best not to think any more about it, right? :) <-- wrong. You always try to figure out *why* something unexpected happened 00:15:39 maybe in Vorpal-land... 00:21:04 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 00:21:47 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 00:22:02 09:27:44 FP is STUPID!!!!!! 00:22:03 09:28:02 anyone that wants to do functional programming without LAMBDA has lots his MARBLES 00:22:03 09:28:19 it's no coindicendec that LAMBDA is an anagram of MARBLES 00:22:20 oerjan: you know, i don't think j-invariant is coming back... 00:23:39 -!- augur has joined. 00:27:42 elliott: I have lots my MARBLES 00:29:33 quintopia, fun game 00:29:53 sgeo: no 00:30:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSJBeV2hNUE 00:31:38 -!- pingveno has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:31:55 The music in that video is unfamiliar to me 00:32:53 A closed door 00:32:53 is a rather obvious obstacle to any adventurer, but there are several 00:32:53 ways to deal with one. Probably the most obvious method of getting 00:32:53 past a door is to try to open it; to do that, just try to walk into it 00:32:57 OKAY 00:33:03 -!- pingveno has joined. 00:33:03 I FIND NETHACK IS NOT VERY REALISTIC 00:34:06 THAT'S JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T TESTED THAT METHOD ON SUFFICIENTLY MANY _REAL_ DOORS 00:34:12 i find *insert video game* not very realistic 00:34:19 oerjan: i have. 00:34:25 oerjan: usually doesn't work :( 00:34:56 yes, but if you do it _enough_ times, head first, i'm sure your sense of reality will start adjusting. 00:35:28 the door might need some new hinges too 00:36:00 -!- SimonRC has joined. 00:36:50 oerjan: if it works in nethack, it works on the first try 00:37:15 conclusion: nethack adventurer is THE JUGGERNAUT, BITCH 00:38:08 -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 00:38:09 it works on the first try in reality too. it's the repetitions that are a bitch. 00:38:20 ^ deep truth 00:38:35 "Will you please stop saying you're sorry?" "Sorry" 00:38:40 I can imagine doing that myself 00:40:24 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 00:41:20 sgeo: are you watching M*A*S*H? 00:41:26 * oerjan guesses today's square root of minus garfield was also inevitable. 00:41:57 ... \sqrt{-garfield}? 00:42:06 yes. 00:42:12 http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/ 00:42:24 quintopia, DS9 00:43:05 summary of dwarf fortress after having played it for an afternoon: kind of like minecraft but with the micromanagement of widelands and the difficulty and GUI of nethack 00:43:07 oerjan: do they frequently feature bad puns? 00:43:23 or should I say UI rather than GUI perhaps 00:43:27 Oh my goodness. 00:43:39 quintopia: they have an overly long gag based on the format you see there 00:43:45 so yes. 00:43:51 and other puns too, probably 00:43:52 pikhq, you never heard of \sqrt{-garfield} before? 00:43:58 -!- cheater00 has joined. 00:44:17 If I tell pikhq to read the entire Mezzacotta archive, will he do it? 00:44:35 no. he might _try_, perhaps. 00:45:25 http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=9 *grin* 00:45:29 Sgeo: Not only no but fuck no. 00:45:48 Sgeo: I am not infinitely prolonged. 00:45:57 * Sgeo hears his dad shouting on the phone at his step-mom 00:46:04 Vorpal: Nope. 00:47:05 -!- cheater- has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:48:26 pikhq, huh. I was pretty sure you took part of discussions mentioning it before... 00:48:51 Nope. 00:50:16 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 01:02:02 -!- cal153 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 01:06:13 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:08:54 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:10:31 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 01:27:01 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:31:25 -!- cal153 has joined. 01:38:54 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:40:01 Can I make fun of coppro now? 01:40:32 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 01:47:06 "On a clear disk, you can seek forever." -- HP-UX manual, circa 1985 01:50:17 http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2011/2/104395-puzzled-parsing-partitions 01:50:22 interesting article 01:54:28 -!- augur has joined. 01:58:52 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:00:30 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 02:06:47 -!- tswett has joined. 02:06:52 How do I ask this question in Finnish? 02:07:12 `translatefromto en fi How do I ask this question in Finnish? 02:07:12 (Heimo, Herobrine. Even though "heimo" isn't a greeting.) 02:07:32 Miten kysyä tätä kysymystä suomeksi? 02:08:11 LOOKS PLAUSIBLE 02:09:00 Hm, I like what "mys" means in Swedish. What's the equivalent Norwegian word? 02:09:17 `translatefromto sv en mys 02:09:19 mys 02:09:31 Because it apparently means "coziness". 02:09:40 oh. 02:09:54 "kos", i suppose 02:11:07 `translatefromto sv no mysigt 02:11:08 koselig 02:11:16 That doesn't look like a cognate, but then again, the English word "do" doesn't look like the Spanish word "hacer" even though they are cognates. 02:11:33 um it's a cognate to "cozy", surely 02:11:36 This channel is full of natrual language geeks too? 02:11:36 :V 02:11:44 finnish is soo different 02:11:56 Lymia: there's even a real linguist here (hi augur) 02:11:58 It doesn't look like one to "mys", though. 02:12:03 like from an other planet 02:12:06 But yeah, it's almost certainly a cognate to "cozy". 02:12:10 oerjan: ohai 02:12:13 I thought people usually said that about Japanese. 02:12:17 Not Finnish. 02:12:26 augur: hi! Are you one of those one-language linguists? Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just wondering. 02:12:39 Lymia: people also say that Finnish is just a cipher of Japanese. 02:12:49 Lymia: there's a certain similarity between them, syllable structure and agglutination 02:13:00 tswett: what do you mean one language linguists 02:13:09 augur: THAT YOU ONLY SPEAK ENGLISH 02:13:12 Monolingual linguists. 02:13:14 What oerjan said. 02:13:23 oh, do i only speak one language? yes. 02:13:33 tswett, well. 02:13:35 I can say this. 02:13:40 I've never heard of that one before. 02:13:41 =p 02:13:55 It seems... wise for a linguist to know multiple languages. 02:13:58 Then again, the non-computer science related communities I go to are usually anime related. 02:14:26 But eh, if just knowing English works out for you. 02:14:39 (An if-only sentence. There is no then, only an if.) 02:14:42 augur: i mean you blather on about syntactic typed calculi and stuff, but do you _ever_ discuss in japanese like the real geeks here? nope. 02:14:55 tswett: knowing another language isnt terribly important. 02:15:04 oerjan: no what 02:15:11 why would i discuss japanese 02:15:14 whats to discuss 02:15:21 augur: THAT'S A JOKE 02:15:41 sou ka 02:15:57 augur: although this outsider _does_ feel it's somewhat suspicious to call yourself a linguist without any _actual_ breadth of language experience 02:16:14 which outsider 02:16:19 <- this one 02:16:20 Linguistics sure isn't *about* knowing lots of languages. 02:16:21 oh 02:16:26 The one to oerjan's left. 02:16:29 :P 02:16:35 well its not like i dont have experience with other languages 02:16:38 * oerjan swats tswett -----### 02:16:39 linguists are assholes 02:16:44 THAT ALMOST ALLITERATES 02:16:48 i just dont speak any well enough to say i speak them at all 02:16:59 hagb4rd: you mean they're talking out their asses? 02:17:22 they're talking out of anything they can 02:17:33 but theres no music in it 02:18:04 But knowing only English for a linguist is like knowing only about cats for a biologist. Sure, lots of facts that are true of cats are true of life in general. But many are not; if you only study cats, you never know what might be present in other animals. 02:18:09 augur: good, good. i guess. 02:18:26 maybe i exaggerate a lil 02:18:30 tswett: whoa whoa you're making the wrong analogy 02:18:41 knowing only english for a linguist is like BEING only a human for a biologist 02:18:53 I imagine I am; I'm not the linguist here. 02:19:01 i can tell you lots of things about other languages' grammars 02:19:18 more than most speakers know about the grammars 02:19:25 i just cant speak them 02:19:54 Ah, then you do know other languages well, for the purposes that you use them for. 02:20:09 no, i dont _know_ them in any real sense 02:20:17 i know facts about them 02:20:23 Right. 02:20:55 * oerjan is reminded of The Mathematician's Lament 02:21:01 Lockhart's Lament? 02:21:02 just like lots of people know facts about caesar and brutus 02:21:08 but noone _knows_ caesar or brutus 02:21:15 *A 02:21:18 tswett: yes 02:21:22 sweez 02:21:26 -z+t 02:21:32 analogy 02:21:36 I met Caesar once. I put him on my salad. He was delicious. 02:21:43 hehe 02:21:44 hagb4rd: are you making an analogy out of my surname? 02:21:49 tswett: how brutal 02:21:56 should i? 02:22:04 Yes, you should. 02:22:37 hehe 02:30:52 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:32:30 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 02:50:51 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:52:28 http://manageddreams.com/osmpbb/ 02:52:30 I have a sad. 02:53:03 sgeo: is it blue with a gold stripe across the head? 02:53:14 i lost my sad a little while back, been looking all over for it 02:54:01 ^ul (:::***)(~(~(:a~*):^))~(a)~^^SS 02:54:02 ((((~(~(:a~*):^))))) ...out of stack! 02:57:02 -!- Lymia_ has joined. 02:57:08 -!- Lymia has quit (Disconnected by services). 02:57:09 -!- Lymia_ has changed nick to Lymia. 02:57:10 -!- Lymia has quit (Changing host). 02:57:10 -!- Lymia has joined. 03:14:07 ^ul ((:::***)(~(~(:a~*):^))~(a)~^^())((:^(:)~*(*)*a~a~*(((T)(F))~*^(^)~^^^S!)~a*^)~:a~**^):^ 03:14:07 ((~(~(:a~*):^)))(~(~(:a~*):^))~(~(:a~*):^)~(:a~*):^(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a~*):a~*(:a ...too much output! 03:14:27 ^ul ((:::***)(~(~(:a~*):^))~(a)~^^())((:^(:)~*(*)*a~a~*(((T)(F))~*^(^)~^^^!S!)~a*^)~:a~**^):^ 03:14:28 FFFTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ...out of time! 03:53:58 `-` 03:53:59 No output. 03:56:27 you need to stop it with the ugly-ass backtick "face" or at least put a space in front of it 03:58:16 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:09:45 [00:33:42] afaik we don't have any indians or chinese here, though 04:09:45 [00:34:26] hm wait that was during european day wasn't it 04:09:58 Uhm yeah it was night for east and south Asia by that time already 04:12:46 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:13:55 i think my mind triggered on the mention of "2 billions" --> china + india 04:15:15 It was supposed to be Europe + Africa + west Asia :p 04:28:14 -!- augur has joined. 04:52:38 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 05:26:25 "The enzo" wtf 05:26:36 http://www.wrapanap.com/order.html 05:29:18 same color as the car? 05:30:46 * pikhq is too good at procrastination. 05:30:59 I have been home for 8 hours. I have done nothing so far. 05:31:07 8. Fucking. Hours. 05:32:06 pikhq: you could get outraged over sony's lawsuits a bit more 05:32:17 that's a fairly productive pastime 05:32:27 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:34:17 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 05:36:07 copumpkin: Nothing new on that front, so *shrug* 05:36:18 Why is there a car named after the Active Worlds CEO? 05:37:27 http://wiki.activeworlds.com/index.php?title=User:E_N_Z_O&oldid=18626 05:37:55 Ah, Anki, how you make it so easy for a having-done-nothing day to have actual accomplishments in it. 05:38:29 Anki? 05:38:46 flashcards? 05:39:30 Anki is a fairly good SRS (spaced repetition system) program... 05:39:35 I use it for studying Japanese. 05:40:06 Yes, flashcards with an algorithm that prevents you from wasting too much time. 05:40:49 Basically, it attempts to model when you're likely to forget a card, so that it only shows up when seeing the card will actually be helpful. 05:41:02 Rather than, say, showing the same damned cards every day. 05:45:44 I find it almost *necessary* for learning kanji. 05:48:43 Well 05:48:50 I'm not going to be a double red cell donor 05:49:17 -!- benmoreassynt has joined. 05:50:36 -!- benmoreassynt has left (?). 05:54:26 copumpkin: BTW, thank you so much for cluing me in on Heisig. It's been about a year since, and, well, it's been amazing. 05:54:34 Heisig? 05:54:45 Sgeo: Heisig's "Remembering the Kanji". 05:54:50 oh 05:54:54 Sgeo: Also essential. 05:55:17 Sgeo: Learn (roughly) the meaning and (exactly) the writing of the commonly used kanji! 05:55:56 pikhq: no problem :) glad you made it through it! that's more than I did :P 05:56:11 Sgeo: I've gone from struggling to understand stuff for 2nd graders to struggling to understand ja.wikipedia.org courtesy of that. 05:56:47 And I read untranslated manga for pleasure now. Yay. 05:57:03 how's verbal? 05:57:15 spoken japanese and grammar are actually pretty easy 05:57:31 well, in some ways, anyway 05:57:36 copumpkin: Quite a bit below my reading comprehension, but it's improved by leaps and bounds. 06:02:45 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:04:20 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 06:18:14 Why am I shocked by Moove still existing? 06:24:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5uptErhetY how did this embed itself into my subconsious so quickly that when I found it on YouTube, I was certain it was a different song 06:24:53 No 06:24:55 Hmm 06:25:15 I meant I thought that I thought what was playing in my head when I f... argh 06:32:44 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:34:33 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 06:40:57 -!- asiekierka has joined. 06:45:23 -!- Zuu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:45:26 -!- Zuu_ has joined. 06:52:43 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:54:33 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 07:02:05 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 07:06:10 -!- FireFly has joined. 07:08:12 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 07:12:43 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:14:34 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 07:14:51 -!- hi2u has joined. 07:15:30 -!- hi2u has left (?). 07:22:35 -!- Zuu_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:27:12 -!- Zuu has joined. 07:32:42 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:34:31 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 07:43:13 -!- evincar has joined. 07:43:56 Well, here I am, more than twelve hours later than I planned. 07:45:00 that's relatively lousy timing for this channel 07:45:36 wait, do you mean you've been traveling or something? 07:49:56 * pikhq shall go to sleep. 07:52:06 ^ul (()~:a(~^)*~(()(~(~(:a~*):^))(a))~*^^)(::**)~^ 07:52:27 ^ul (()~:a(~^)*~(()(~(~(:a~*):^))(a))~*^^)(::**)~^(~aS:^):^ 07:52:27 ((((~(~(:a~*):^)))))()((::**)~^)() ...out of stack! 07:52:51 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 07:54:55 oerjan: No, I mean I told elliott to look at something I was talking about earlier with ais523, and that I'd be back in a couple hours after a nap. Twelve hours later... 07:55:03 heh 07:55:08 ...though not nearly all of that time was sleeping. 07:58:34 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:03:01 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 08:04:32 ^ul (aS:):((:*)~^(::**)~^(:*)~^)^ 08:04:32 (:*)(::**)(:*) 08:05:24 ^ul (aS:):((:*)~^(::**)~^(:*)~^)^S 08:05:24 (:*)(::**)(:*)aS: 08:05:46 ^ul (aS:):((:*)~^(::**)~^(:*)~^)^(aS:^):^ 08:05:46 (:*)(::**)(:*)(aS:^)(aS:) 08:06:06 ^ul (aS:):((:*)~^(::**)~^(:*)~^)^(~aS:^):^ 08:06:06 (:*)(::**)(:*)(aS:)(aS:) ...out of stack! 08:09:32 Poor, poor fungot. 08:09:33 evincar: it can say " make this a bit and watch it toast? or decide the project is quite quixotic. that being said, it comes to mobile code it has good parts and bad parts. the dynamic environment 08:09:53 Thanks. 08:09:58 Goodnight. 08:10:05 -!- evincar has quit (Quit: Toast...). 08:12:23 -!- aloril_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:21:22 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:23:01 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 08:24:04 -!- aloril has joined. 08:25:26 -!- cheater00 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:26:28 -!- cheater00 has joined. 08:29:14 ^ul (aS:):(:((0)(!(1)(!(2)(!(3)(_))))(^))~*^^!Sa(~^)*~a*(:)*^)((:*)~^(::**)~^(:*)~^)^(~aS:^):^ 08:29:14 2(:*) ...out of stack! 08:30:09 ^ul (aS:):(:((0)(!(1)(!(2)(!(3)(_))))(^))~*^^!Sa(~^)*~a*(:)*^):((:*)~^(::**)~^(:*)~^)^(~aS:^):^ 08:30:09 2(:*)3(::**)2(:*)(:((0)(!(1)(!(2)(!(3)(_))))(^))~*^^!Sa(~^)*~a*(:)*^)(:((0)(!(1)(!(2)(!(3)(_))))(^))~*^^!Sa(~^)*~a*(:)*^)(aS:)(aS:) ...out of stack! 08:32:18 ^ul (aS:):(:((0)(!(1)(!(2)(!(3)(_))))(^))~*^^!Sa(~^)*~a*(:)*^):((:*)~^(!())~^(:*:*)~^)^(~aS:^):^ 08:32:18 2(:*)0(!()) ...bad insn! 08:41:21 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:43:00 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 09:01:21 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:02:59 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 09:21:20 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:21:25 -!- cheater00 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:22:59 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 09:23:33 -!- cheater00 has joined. 09:31:33 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 09:37:21 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 09:40:12 -!- Tritonio has joined. 09:42:59 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 09:53:00 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:01:20 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:02:59 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 10:15:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:18:32 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 10:21:45 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 10:29:15 00:37:53 oerjan: you know, i don't think j-invariant is coming back... ← we didn't think he was coming back when he was fax either. 10:29:51 I know him from #haskell, was he a great contributor to this channel? 10:33:59 That's a long story which I a) don't know the entirety of and b) can't be bothered recounting. 10:39:37 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:41:13 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 10:47:45 -!- cheater- has joined. 10:48:51 -!- cheater00 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 10:52:20 -!- Tritonio has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:59:37 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:01:13 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 11:19:37 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:21:13 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 11:29:56 -!- asiekierka has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:39:36 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:40:43 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:41:10 -!- copumpkin has joined. 11:41:13 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 11:59:36 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:01:12 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 12:09:54 Haha... Lagerhom apparently tried to make countdown to first RIR depletion but apparently the code is quite buggy... 12:19:38 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:21:12 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 12:39:35 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:41:14 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 12:45:39 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 12:46:06 -!- sebbu has joined. 12:54:51 -!- Deewiant has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:55:18 -!- Deewiant has joined. 12:59:01 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:59:35 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:01:14 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 13:07:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:19:35 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:21:16 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 13:23:59 -!- asiekierka has joined. 13:25:33 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 13:29:42 -!- FireFly has joined. 13:39:13 -!- augur has joined. 13:46:02 -!- elliott has joined. 13:47:56 00:58:38 summary of dwarf fortress after having played it for an afternoon: kind of like minecraft but with the micromanagement of widelands and the difficulty and GUI of nethack 13:48:05 Vorpal: Er, DF is *much* more difficult than NetHack. 13:49:15 -!- ais523 has joined. 13:50:23 02:22:49 (Heimo, Herobrine. Even though "heimo" isn't a greeting.) 13:50:25 tswett: it's a bot 13:51:07 02:28:02 augur: hi! Are you one of those one-language linguists? Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just wondering. 13:51:08 and how many diseases do you have, resident doctor? 13:51:12 hi ais523 13:51:17 hi 13:51:30 hmm, you know when I couldn't access anything? 13:51:51 when the system started working again, programs were working but Gnome was frozen (the shell, that is) 13:51:51 yes 13:51:53 heh 13:51:59 ais523: don't say Gnome and shell in the same sentence 13:52:01 so I had to log out via control-alt-backspace to get anything done 13:52:25 02:31:34 augur: although this outsider _does_ feel it's somewhat suspicious to call yourself a linguist without any _actual_ breadth of language experience 13:52:30 it seems that that didn't work properly, I just got an automated email to tell me that I'd left gnome-panel running for over two days and it was killed automatically 13:52:42 again... "Asking a linguist how many languages they know is like asking a doctor how many diseases they have." 13:53:13 (OK, it's a fairly stupid aphorism) 13:53:16 (but it's amusing) 13:54:37 hmm, with "linguist" there, the analogy does actually hold up 13:54:50 except that a doctor would be trying to get rid of diseases they had 13:55:00 and a linguist wouldn't have any motive to forget languages they happened to know 13:55:17 (although they wouldn't have a massive motive to learn new ones either) 13:55:18 ais523: linguist != someone who knows languages 13:55:30 meanwhile, off-topically, http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/odd/news/a300850/diddy-sued-for-causing-911-attack.html 13:55:40 well, I suppose it's rather esoteric 13:56:18 ais523: linguist != someone who knows languages <--- I know, what about my comment would have given a different impression? 13:56:32 hmm, that URL is pretty freakish as it is 13:56:42 and not just because of the random string of hex (or possibly, letter+decimal) 13:56:46 "A woman named Valerie Turks filed the suit against Diddy, whose real name is Sean Combs, alleging that he was the cause behind the collapse of the World Trade Centre in 2001 and stole a poker chip from her worth "100 zillions of dollars"." 13:57:02 "[Diddy] went through Kim Porter and Rodney King and knocked down the WTC and then they all came and knocked my children down. Set me up to be on disability and disabled my baby. He put my baby in a wheelchair," Billboard quotes Turks as saying in her legal papers. 13:57:15 elliott: you get lawsuits that silly once in a while 13:57:25 there was one during the SCO vs. Novell case 13:57:29 "- -and then for lunch, I knocked down the World Trade Centre -- but anyway, how was your day?" 13:57:31 *-- and 13:57:43 (debate: is World Trade Centre a correct spelling?) 13:57:59 (not SCO vs. Novell itself, although that was pretty silly as it was; someone who was in prison at the time decided to try to intervene in the case) 13:58:15 "It all started with tarsorrhaphy. Really." --Google 13:58:27 ais523: heh, on which side? 13:58:34 I saw something on Fark saying that Wikipedia had a redirect... 13:58:38 "Turks, who is asking for $900 billion dollars in child support and $100 billion dollars for 'loss of income', --" -- well, that sounds eminently reasonable! You can hardly raise a child with less. 13:58:50 [[We created about 100 “synthetic queries”—queries that you would never expect a user to type, such as [hiybbprqag]. As a one-time experiment, for each synthetic query we inserted as Google’s top result a unique (real) webpage which had nothing to do with the query. Below is an example:]] 13:58:51 omg 13:58:59 imagine finding those before they revealed it :D 13:59:00 elliott: they wanted to replace SCO in the case, on the basis that they were being incompetent 13:59:06 heh: http://www.google.com/search?q=hiybbprqag 13:59:19 elliott: it returns genuine results now 13:59:20 hiybbprqag.com goes to a Google job site now 13:59:23 mostly talking about the story in question 13:59:40 -!- elliott has set topic: For the discussion of hiybbprqag and mbzrxpgjys | http://208.78.103.223/esoteric/ | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 14:00:21 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:00:33 delhipublicschool40 chdjob! 14:00:48 hmm, apparently Comcast have moved some of their customers to IPv4/IPv6 dual stack 14:00:50 what would happen if some poor sap really wanted to find information about these things?! 14:01:01 the Slashdot comments say it's because they ran out of space in 10/8 14:01:08 ais523: aren't Comcast terrible in every other aspect, though? 14:01:24 elliott: I think so 14:01:27 They did run out of space in 10/8 for their "control plane" network, and had to register public addresses for it. 14:01:32 so, reddit has "joined" the Free Software Foundation, but I'm not sure what they mean 14:01:33 oh, FSF associate 14:01:41 I also vaguely recall Comcast doing a largeish trial of 6rd. 14:01:49 it feels odd 14:01:51 running out of space in a class A for your own control network is pretty impressive 14:01:52 even though reddit is mostly open 14:02:05 Isn't reddit full of ads? 14:02:14 Games are ads! 14:02:43 ooh, I got an advert for a Windows registry scanner 14:02:50 I'm tempted to actually click on it just to see what will happen 14:03:03 my theory is that it'll load in Wine, and scan the Wine registry, if I do 14:03:10 lol 14:03:10 Ugh. 14:03:12 [[By the way, your replies in this thread strongly suggest to me that you're trying to adjust your definition of "generalisation" to fit the responses, rather than taking them into account.]] <-- probability of them taking this seriously: 0 14:03:19 I have to go to school, don't I? 14:03:19 ais523: Erm, usually they don't actually scan the registry. 14:03:24 "This is a tremendous milestone for Comcast, cable operators, and the Internet community at large, and it is a critical milestone in our many years of work to prepare IPv6 to work seamlessly in a residential broadband Internet network. Each user has been delegated a /64 block of [--]." 14:03:25 ais523: I would hide the Z: drive first. :p 14:03:27 Maybe a chroot. 14:03:37 fizzie: BROUGHT TO YOU BY WOLFRAM RESEARCH 14:03:41 yep, I'm unlikely to actually /do/ it 14:03:49 I might also make a user for the purpose 14:04:03 Blah blah your "tremendous milestone for -- the Internet community at large"; there's a whole pile of ISPs that have been doing that for who knows how long. 14:04:13 fizzie: lol, not in the US 14:04:22 when I run closed-source Windows programs that I suspect are either a) potentially malware, or b) have ridiculous DRM, I use a separate user without write access to anywhere but /tmp, /var/tmp, and its own home dir 14:04:26 even in the UK, it's non-trivial to find an IPv6 ISP 14:04:30 they're all small 14:04:38 They're not smaller than the Comcast trial. :p 14:04:45 Well, tru. 14:04:50 "On January 11th, 2011, our first 25 IPv6-enabled users came online in the Littleton, Colorado area." 14:05:03 (Okay, so they've expanded now to an unspecified, larger number, but still.) 14:05:05 btw, MPLAB C30 definitely counts as ridiculous DRM 14:05:06 Not even BE have IPv6, which is kind of annoying. 14:05:10 mostly because it's GPLed 14:05:13 http://my.opera.com/chooseopera/blog/2011/02/02/egypt-is-back-online-2 14:05:13 ais523: all DRM counts as ridiculous DRM 14:05:20 so patching the DRM out was surprisingly simple 14:05:38 ais523: hmm, theory: GPLv4 will prohibit obfuscating the source 14:05:44 so that DRM is always easy to remove 14:05:45 elliott: GPLv2 did that 14:05:50 ais523: really? :D 14:06:07 yep, their definition of source excludes obfuscated source 14:06:18 elliott, so idiots won't be allowed to program anymore? 14:06:36 ais523: OK, new theory, taking into account the fact that the GPL is already crazy: GPLv4 will prohibit writing unreadable code 14:06:39 * Sgeo needs to go put clothing on and go to school 14:06:47 GPLv5, then, will mandate the GNU coding standards be used, and that the code is eminently readable 14:07:02 GPLv6 will specify which fonts you are allowed to use when editing the code. 14:07:07 GPLv6 will just be a requirement to hand your project over to the FSF> 14:07:07 hmm... Ubuntu wants to upgrade the kernel from 2.6.32.28.31 to 2.6.32.28.32 14:07:13 apparently as a security update 14:07:25 Nice, that kernel is from like 2009 14:07:27 Pretty recent 14:07:29 that's the most minor version number bump I've ever seen for that sort of update 14:07:30 * elliott doesn't even see his updates 14:07:35 they just go automatically 14:07:43 The duck go. 14:07:45 ais523: that sounds like a local patch version 14:07:51 I don't think kernel.org kernels come in such versions 14:07:55 My router is still running .33 but it's been running for quite a while now so it's excusable 14:07:55 2.6.32.28 was released in 2011-01-07. 14:08:00 That's not exactly "like 2009". 14:08:13 *The pig go 14:08:14 Dammit 14:08:15 kfr: well, I reboot every time I go home or to work 14:08:15 "Not all updates can be installed" uh oh 14:08:19 because it's fast enough anyway 14:08:33 I need strong AI in my IRC client. 14:08:39 And the fifth number is Ubuntu-specific there. 14:08:53 wait, is there a new major Ubuntu release? 14:08:57 elliott: normally that's because two or more clash, and is relatively common in -proposed versions of Ubuntu, at least 14:08:59 no 14:09:05 so why is it showing me the distribution upgrade screen? 14:09:06 and no, those happen in April and October 14:09:18 elliott: because the distribution updater is the only one that knows how to handle that sort of clash 14:09:22