< 1299542667 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the LaTeX for the irrational numbers?
< 1299542730 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ir_rational?
< 1299542761 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot quite recall a frequent single symbol for those
< 1299542794 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Contrasting to last years, how soon would that amount be used: 2010: July 1st. 2009: August 20th. 2008: August 5th. 2007: September 2nd. 2006: Would last entiere year.
< 1299543004 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :We aren't even out of 1Q2011 and already APNIC has used more addresses than the entiere 1H2010 (and that year was pretty crazy there).
< 1299543167 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old saying was that APNIC uses up a block in 6 weeks. The rate now is block in 3 weeks.
< 1299543320 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this rate, the depletion would be end of April, begnning of May. And the rate might very well be underestimated.
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< 1299554495 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The US national motto is "In God we trust".
< 1299554539 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source, 36 U.S.C. § 302.
< 1299554567 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any opinions on how that can possibly be anything *but* a law respecting the estabilishment of religion?
< 1299554571 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the law?
< 1299554585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/36/302.html
< 1299554585 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1299554621 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is simply a law of the motto. The reason for such motto would be becasuse the people who made up that law are religious.
< 1299554642 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that they are forbidden from doing such by a higher law.
< 1299554692 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also pretty shameful, when it could have been E PLVRIBVS VNVM.
< 1299554695 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, do you think wikisuperosity.com 's new policy is draconian?
< 1299554709 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What of it?
< 1299554726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's difficult for genuine new users to join
< 1299554727 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I do not live in United States.
< 1299554767 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: 1st Amendment to the Consitutition of the United States.
< 1299554790 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the first amendment?
< 1299554812 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
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< 1299555023 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see it is respecting the estabilishment of religion, but it does not prohibit free exercise, free speech, etc. There are other laws to prohibit the other things. I, howver, do not consider such motto law to be serious wrong thing because it is simply the motto and does nothing else.
< 1299555042 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you are free to not use it, it is OK.
< 1299555050 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on all of our currency.
< 1299555088 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And religious people use it as justification for this being a "Christian" nation.
< 1299555107 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have seen United States money, it is on there. However there are other problems with the United States currency, too, such as the ten cent coin saying "one dime" instead of "ten cents" (Canadian coins do say the amount of cents/dollars).
< 1299555153 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: They would have to make some statutory holidays based on some things of Christian, but then they should not call them Christian holidays in that context.
< 1299555181 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Sheesh
< 1299555232 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The only federal holiday which could be *considered* Christian is Christmas. Which, as you well know, is more a secular celebration and has been well into antiquity.
< 1299555250 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I do know that, too.
< 1299555274 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Canada we have other statutory holidays based on Christian too, not only Christmas.
< 1299555276 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention that the only thing that being a "federal holiday" means is that most federal employees get the day off.
< 1299555303 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but Canada is nominally ruled by a monarch with power bestowed by God.
< 1299555304 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, we should do the same, that you should not consider them Christian; just say they fall on these days
< 1299555346 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I also know Canada has the queen, although the queen is really the queen of England and Canada is no longer ruled directly by the queen anyways
< 1299555406 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However is probably better to have both queen/king and government in case one does bad thing, the other side can argue to them
< 1299555438 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, all power in your state comes, in name, from Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.
< 1299555455 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas here, all power in the states comes from the just consent of the governed.
< 1299555462 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/states/state/
< 1299555497 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that is their title, I did not know that. I think somewhere I read an even longer title for the queen...
< 1299555520 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is merely the title for her in her role as Queen of Canada.
< 1299555566 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She possesses an *extremely* long list of titles.
< 1299555638 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <zzo38> However is probably better to have both queen/king and government in case one does bad thing, the other side can argue to them
< 1299555658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> Whereas here, all power in the states comes from the just consent of the governed.
< 1299555658 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> s/states/state/
< 1299555660 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA, yeah right
< 1299555679 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*comes from the monopoly on force.
< 1299555693 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do *you* consent to be governed by the current administration?
< 1299555699 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am discussing the legal theory under which it operates, not the realities.
< 1299555707 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, yeah, I know :P
< 1299555718 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She is Queen of 14 states, Duke of Normandy, Lord of Mann, member of every order of the various commonwealth realms, an insane number of foreign honors, a number of hard-earned degrees and military awards.
< 1299555730 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the past they would have had to do it with God and religious stuff, in these days it is not necessary but the titles are kept because of tradition; still we can have separation of church and state without having to adjust these titles as long as you still have freedom of religion; Church of England can still be as long as they are not considered part of the government.
< 1299555745 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :329) <zzo38> However is probably better to have both queen/king and government in case one does bad thing, the other side can argue to them
< 1299555761 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The Church of England is not merely *part* of the government.
< 1299555764 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that no religious law exist. Statutory holidays are different thing because you can simply make the law saying which days of the year are statutory holiday, such as December 25, and so on.
< 1299555777 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Certain bishops are in the legislature, *by merit of being bishops*.
< 1299555786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<pikhq> She is Queen of 14 states, Duke of Normandy, Lord of Mann, member of every order of the various commonwealth realms, an insane number of foreign honors, a number of hard-earned degrees and military awards.
< 1299555787 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :degrees?
< 1299555788 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like phd? :D
< 1299555795 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes.
< 1299555797 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1299555804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: honorary i presume
< 1299555805 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: She refuses to accept honorary degrees.
< 1299555808 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1299555809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun :D
< 1299555813 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But she has 4 doctorates.
< 1299555826 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Are they "not honorary" in that she had to do the absolute minimum required work?
< 1299555858 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She received them before becoming Queen.
< 1299555883 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She was still royal.
< 1299555972 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and she wasn't expected to become Queen.
< 1299555984 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT SHE WAS A WOMAN
< 1299556051 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She was 3rd in line of succession when she was born.
< 1299556062 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is their gender relevant, except for the words you use that you are crowned with the title "Queen"?
< 1299556090 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't.
< 1299556096 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then shit happened.
< 1299557044 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/net.lang.c/browse_thread/thread/afe9a2e964cffb6d#
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< 1299557162 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW
< 1299557164 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The invention of Python
< 1299557166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :October 1982
< 1299557166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/net.lang.c/browse_thread/thread/429e89764b656e3c#
< 1299557168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Second message)
< 1299557253 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://groups.google.com/group/net.lang.c/browse_thread/thread/1b454ad8916c2ef8# so glad this didn't catch on
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< 1299557924 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Jeeze* I've got some crazy-ass bufferbloat happening somewhere on this network.
< 1299557942 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No joke, 40ms latency to the home router.
< 1299558150 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's just saturating my uplink.
< 1299558156 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Internet* uplink.
< 1299558190 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 100Mbps link should not be showing bufferbloat from that load.
< 1299558193 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is.
< 1299558207 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries swapping out the switch with an old 10Mbps hub
< 1299558443 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, not the switch at all.
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< 1299559395 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that switch seems to have immense trouble starting.
< 1299559409 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LAWL, BROADCAST PACKETS? WUT R THOSE"
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< 1299561907 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invented some metamagic and 'patamagic feats.
< 1299561918 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :'patamagic?
< 1299561941 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, 'patamagic is something I invented.
< 1299561944 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1299561948 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to know
< 1299562001 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you want to know?
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< 1299563210 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How heavy is a 12 cu.ft. solid block of gold-plated lead?
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< 1299563528 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I figured out its mass (and a lot of other information) on Wolfram|Alpha.
< 1299563786 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dips zzo38 in.. stuff... and makes gold-plated zzo38
< 1299563795 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Electroplating?
< 1299563913 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need gold-plated zzo38?
< 1299563914 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... People are convinced that Wiccans do animal and/or human sacrifice?
< 1299563980 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure the basic tenant is "An it harm none, do what ye will"...
< 1299564027 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that things, but many people are ignorant of things
< 1299564046 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ignorant/maliciously wrong/
< 1299564130 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are wrong about Christians (including Catholics) too, not only Wiccans and Pagans. Perhaps "maliciously wrong" is what Jack Chick is... his stuff is not even logical.
< 1299564201 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing is, Chick is quite genuine in presenting his own beliefs.
< 1299564267 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, he might be, but it is still illogical.
< 1299564295 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not only the words, but the pictures are also inconsistent with each other.)
< 1299564301 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Chick is maliciously wrong, so's every religious person, to an extent.
< 1299564326 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, regarding his presentation of his own religious beliefs.
< 1299564339 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He most *certainly* is maliciously wrong about almost everything else.
< 1299564350 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C.S. Lewis a Satanist? Wut?)
< 1299564374 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, is what I meant, I meant maliciously wrong about everything else.
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< 1299568503 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to printout the TeX logo in Wikipedia but it won't let me.
< 1299568690 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a SVG file, I can use that.
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< 1299570416 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia has some technical difficulties now
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< 1299571726 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1299571736 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got a captcha from a maths book
< 1299571748 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's A with the subscript ij
< 1299571759 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how on earth would i enter that :)
< 1299571764 0 :GreaseMonkey!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: The Other Game
< 1299571773 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i entered A_ij
< 1299572795 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've put in A_{ij} instead, but that's just me.
< 1299572817 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :reCAPTCHA does pull in math from time to time. And also non-latin scripts.
< 1299572873 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have put "Aij" there since it is probably how most people would have filled it in. However there was one Greek text once, I tried to do the best I could by selecting the Greek letters from the character map.
< 1299572897 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it did accept that.)
< 1299572917 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :These three are all from reCAPTCHA: http://zem.fi/~fis/faircaptcha.png
< 1299572958 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a commenting thing somewhere-or-other and I didn't have anything to say, so I didn't try filling those.)
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< 1299573067 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect those will get thrown out because too many people who get the other word of the pair right get those wrong.
< 1299573090 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. thrown out before being used to block access...)
< 1299573099 0 :dbc!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the Greek one.
< 1299573349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In ScienceSLAM each participant has 10 minutes to present their research topic to the critical audience and win their support. The form of presentation is free and can range from a more traditional talk to a dance choreography or a self-composed song. But watch out, an entertaining and informative performance is at least as important as pure scientific value! Everything is allowed to win the hearts of the crowd. And it is them to choose the hero of the night,
< 1299573349 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the winner of ScienceSLAM!"
< 1299573352 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What."
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< 1299574337 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1299574390 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ScienceSLAM does seem strange thing, but they can do that if they want to.
< 1299574446 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, there's no actual prize: the winner... wins, but that's it.
< 1299574490 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I guess that is good enough. I sometimes do things and win without expecting to win a prize.
< 1299574502 0 :zzo38!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So probably other people do, too.
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< 1299580117 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookit tyhat thing
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< 1299594818 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that, trivial clone of waterfall3!
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< 1299597832 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/fanart/in-soviet-russia.png
< 1299597834 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
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< 1299598295 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.03: 38x256(???)+32k+256k+/48 to Australia, 16k to Japan, 2k+256+/48 to India, 64k to China, 256 to Pakistan, 512+/32 to Indonesia, 8k to Taiwan.
< 1299598313 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess most of those 38 /24s to AU were for reachability testing.
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< 1299598913 0 :cheater-!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ilari: what is reachability testing?
< 1299598915 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :logs today were so boring.
< 1299598919 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so disappointed.
< 1299598985 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, quality-testing the newly-allocated blocks. How largely BGP annoucements for those propagate and how much junk traffict those blocks have.
< 1299599036 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you keeping this record?
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< 1299604241 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a9wWRxYSko
< 1299604325 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian is irrelevant, ZDNet confirms it.
< 1299604337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: o god
< 1299604367 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The rattling makes it bearable!
< 1299604498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example, the default Debian distributions won’t include any proprietary firmware binary files. While that will be popular with die-hard free software fans, users who just want to use their Wi-Fi hardware and to get the most from their graphics cards won’t be happy."
< 1299604500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the worst article ever.
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< 1299605860 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Can't watch now, qu� es?
< 1299605917 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, Pachalbel's Canon on 4 music boxes and 2 tapes.
< 1299605924 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of which is a small loop.
< 1299605971 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee, if only Pachelbel's Canon wasn't SATAN'S MUSIC.
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< 1299606688 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, that's why I linked you it.
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< 1299609322 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if BSD has something similar to GNU's backtrace(3) ...
< 1299609491 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC has builtins for getting stack traces, but I'm not sure if it supported symbol extraction. Perhaps not.
< 1299609518 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my case I actually don't care about symbol extraction since most of the backtrace is functions I built at runtime :P
< 1299609682 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :__builtin_return_address takes a "level" parameter and looks that many levs up the stack.
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< 1299609850 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"On some machines it may be impossible to determine the return address of any function other than the current one; in such cases, or when the top of the stack has been reached, this function will return 0 or a random value."
< 1299609864 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a very friendly function.
< 1299609871 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those machines suck and are boring.
< 1299609871 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially that last bit.
< 1299610034 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Heh.
< 1299610051 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Psht, I'm trying to stay strictly GNU C99-conformant in mcmap!
< 1299610068 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This includes not assuming that any pointer can fit into a pointer of any other type :P
< 1299610071 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Only (void *).)
< 1299610091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even have it marked as a bug that I assume a SCM object can fit inside a (void *), even though not doing so would make passing SCM arguments around SO SLOW.
< 1299610096 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Uhh, talkin' about something totally unrelated here.
< 1299610099 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even despite the fact that Guile's internal architecture assumes that.
< 1299610100 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I know.
< 1299610106 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm saying that your rabid standards incompliance SICKENS me.
< 1299610110 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With its CONVENIENCE.
< 1299610112 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You realize of course I write almost all C code to compile with -Wall -Werror -ansi -pedantic :P
< 1299610138 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And although I would be willing to use backtrace(3), I would conditionalize it on the appropriate support and autoconf it to detect.
< 1299610139 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I was about to ask why not C99, but OH YEAH, there's no full C99 compilers out there!
< 1299610142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe one or two.
< 1299610168 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ah! Autoconf! So that all your portability effort is worth naught on any machine that isn't at least vaguely GNU-or-modern-Unix and has a shell. :p
< 1299610170 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*autoconf!
< 1299610176 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose you could write your own Makefile for the rest.)
< 1299610199 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to be clear, all my portability effort is for naught if I run it on ... OS/2?
< 1299610205 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should write K&R-compliant code instead; after all, there's that compiler C-INTERCAL works with, that compiles K&R C to 16-bit real mode code.
< 1299610227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also, uh, last I checked Windows doesn't have a shell. (OK, you can get a native bash/zsh for Windows, but I've never been able to run a configure with those + GNU ports.)
< 1299610239 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cygwin hardly counts, since it can't really create a Makefile that compiles with a native compiler.
< 1299610246 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH SOFTWARE is ported that way to Windows.
< 1299610247 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MUCH
< 1299610255 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But elliott's too lazy, therefore it doesn't work.
< 1299610260 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What way?
< 1299610272 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: By **native** port, I mean **native**.
< 1299610275 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, no cygwin DLL or similar.
< 1299610276 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do I
< 1299610281 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MingW == native
< 1299610287 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: MSYS != native
< 1299610290 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSYS = fork of old cygwin
< 1299610293 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSYS = sh, make
< 1299610297 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? That's just compile-time.
< 1299610307 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's also a (pseudo-)GNU.
< 1299610313 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So?
< 1299610318 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you still can't compile it on a non-pseudo-GNU-or-modern-Unix system.
< 1299610327 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not even vaguely true.
< 1299610328 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I'm saying is, write a configure.c.
< 1299610334 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ORLY?
< 1299610337 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto* work on fucking SunOS 2.6
< 1299610342 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And HP-UX.
< 1299610344 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's "modern" Unix.
< 1299610345 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing works on HP-UX :P
< 1299610375 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.6 came out before February 1986; modern.
< 1299610386 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1299610405 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're using a version of Unix that's older than I am, there will be NO portable build solution that works both there and on modern systems.
< 1299610415 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Like I said, configure.c.
< 1299610418 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you have any recollection of the fact that I worked for years at Intel doing builds of F/OSS software across various unixen on various architectures? We PRAYED for autoconf.
< 1299610427 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You realise I'm basically trolling you?
< 1299610431 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1299610435 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poorly.
< 1299610435 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For reference, 7th Edition Unix is not modern.
< 1299610439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, inaccurately :P
< 1299610440 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :8th Edition is (it's just a modified BSD).
< 1299610463 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you coded in K&R C and had a configure.c script, you could easily work on both V7 Unix and modern-day Linux.
< 1299610472 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"script"
< 1299610474 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program.
< 1299610498 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I could easily work on exactly those two platforms :P
< 1299610504 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I could add support for one more platform at a time!
< 1299610505 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YEE HAW
< 1299610527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you write portable code, you will not require many checks at all. :p
< 1299610548 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And you can cut out all the broken-sh-workarounds in configure.
< 1299610552 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead you get broken-libc-workarounds.
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< 1299610569 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yay? :P
< 1299610589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yay.
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< 1299613106 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The great thing about #!/usr/bin/env is that even though #! only allows binaries, /usr/bin/env lets you use scripts as the interpreters for scripts.
< 1299613120 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :With #!/usr/bin/env, it's turtles all the way down.
< 1299613124 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except not)
< 1299613254 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The great thing about #!/usr/bin/env is that WHY DOESN'T UNIX ALLOW MORE THAN ONE ARGUMENT
< 1299613264 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yeah, that's very annoying ...
< 1299613265 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env some-interp --behave-sanely --disable-breakage
< 1299613271 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a #!/usr/bin/args :P
< 1299613281 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Except that Unices can chop it after like 15 chars, I think :P
< 1299613289 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturalismo :P
< 1299613292 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: At least with #!/usr/bin/perl you can stick a "-w" after; admittedly most languages are unbroken enough to let you do it directly.
< 1299613298 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But more than once I have had to use a fugly #!/bin/sh polyglot.
< 1299613303 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then promptly shot myself.
< 1299613322 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/env perl\nuse strict;\nuse warnings;\n :P
< 1299613339 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: SO UGLY
< 1299613349 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I NOSE ITS AWESOME
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< 1299617382 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1299617635 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned how much describing 2 as the "only even prime" annoys me.
< 1299617765 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1299617774 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... why?
< 1299617785 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's such a stupidly trivial property.
< 1299617802 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So?
< 1299617818 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, yes, its own primality guarantees it to be the only even prime, but that doesn't make it untrue :P
< 1299617856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but there are so many more interesting properties of numbers that it cheapens the rest.
< 1299617955 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric
< 1299618162 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... lol
< 1299618189 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, WHAT DO YOU KNOW YOU WORKED FOR MICROSOFT
< 1299618246 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1299618248 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1299618814 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1299619109 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, wait, what do you actually specialise in?
< 1299619164 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PL, or do you want more specific than that?
< 1299619170 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PL?
< 1299619179 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming languages.
< 1299619203 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you take at university?
< 1299619210 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... CS.
< 1299619217 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR ABILITY TO OPINE ON MATHEMATICS HANGS IN THE BALANCE
< 1299619226 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you're a grad student, CS is no longer a "specialty" :P
< 1299619242 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gathered.
< 1299619256 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If done properly, CS is a form of math degree, so hey.
< 1299619297 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, well, yes, but it's still a (broad) specialisation.
< 1299619302 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1299619331 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And depressingly few places do it properly, as APT Guy shows.)
< 1299619376 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1299619416 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1299619491 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APT Guy is a guy at my school who is involved at a rather hazy (but probably low) level with Ubuntu; he is pretty awful at maths, having failed the qualification you do in 5th year, and has an offer to go to Strathclyde (current home of Epigram, no less) conditional on him getting a C on his second attempt.
< 1299619502 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :He also hates functional programming.
< 1299619511 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1299619512 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shock*
< 1299619544 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strathclyde *appeared* to be one of the places that did it properly.
< 1299619593 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1299620084 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "1" :: Double
< 1299620085 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1.0
< 1299620465 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why?
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< 1299620725 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :xqz
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< 1299621222 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@d83-183-183-70.cust.tele2.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1299621223 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host
< 1299621224 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1299621244 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1299621328 0 :elliott_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1299621337 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear to god this thing is less stable than recent Windowses.
< 1299621343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLOSING MINECRAFT CRASHES X
< 1299621427 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1299621467 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lol X
< 1299621498 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I swear they're deliberately trying to make X worse.
< 1299621503 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is X?
< 1299621507 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: X11.
< 1299621510 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought you guys would be above playing minecraft :p
< 1299621512 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possible joke???)
< 1299621516 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a big, big program that does nothing at all for you.
< 1299621519 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The X Windowing System, Version 11.
< 1299621523 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: #esoteric-minecraft :-P
< 1299621525 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an evil plot from the X maintainers to make wayland take over faster so they don't have to maintain the shit anymore
< 1299621526 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1299621530 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu, the thing which displays windows and stuff on basically all the Unix systems.
< 1299621539 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: *fails to display
< 1299621545 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AKA a program that exists to get in between programs and devices for no reason.
< 1299621546 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: brilliant
< 1299621548 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah
< 1299621564 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... "evil" plot
< 1299621572 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though until recently it had effectively all the drivers for the GUI.
< 1299621579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: maybe i'll just use the console until wayland takes over.
< 1299621596 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll switch to Windows :P
< 1299621690 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.33 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1299621700 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :switch to wayland, then use X-on-wayland for compatibility?
< 1299621716 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: compatibility: with everything, i.e. X will still own me
< 1299621728 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just boot into OS X, except everything else about OS X sucks
< 1299621772 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno how the X-on-wayland stuff works, but if there's either a separate "X server" for each program, or it's just libX pretending to talk to a server, you'd only crash the program itself and nothing else
< 1299621804 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly. bet wayland is quite buggy right now though :)
< 1299621805 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems a bit more likely that the thing that exists is a single X server that has all the X windows and puts them all on wayland
< 1299621815 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's a rootless X server, as on OS X.
< 1299621833 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly, i.e. you'd be just as screwed when it crashes
< 1299621835 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I know! I'll run a Windows VM with a Windows X server on it, and X-forward-via-ssh all my Linux programs there
< 1299621845 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to make virtualbox output to a framebuffer
< 1299621986 0 :MigoMipo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1299622035 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> oerjan, why? <-- i was just checking that the read function doesn't require a decimal point in the input for Doubles
< 1299622045 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1299622049 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why would it?
< 1299622091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :becauase
< 1299622093 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*because
< 1299622096 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show (1 :: Double)
< 1299622097 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "1.0"
< 1299622107 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since "1" is valid syntax for a Double, it should read like that too
< 1299622263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Read and Show don't attempt to be completely compatible with all haskell syntax you'd use in a program
< 1299622314 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day we noted it ignores associativity of operator constructors in data types
< 1299622353 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the main real requirement is that what show outputs should be parsable by read
< 1299622409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter...
< 1299622415 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show (1/0)
< 1299622416 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Infinity"
< 1299622439 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinity is _not_ a legal Double value as a haskell expression
< 1299622540 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well that's a bug.
< 1299622549 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: IMO, at least
< 1299622551 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<oerjan> the other day we noted it ignores associativity of operator constructors in data types
< 1299622556 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it produces valid output anyway
< 1299622558 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :just inefficient output
< 1299622569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd have that output infinity and have
< 1299622569 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: except the haskell standard _has_ no portable expression for infinity
< 1299622573 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity :: Whatever a => a
< 1299622574 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity = 1/0
< 1299622589 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well then I'd do it the Scheme way, have invalid expressions show specially
< 1299622591 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. #Infinity
< 1299622717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :might have used "(1/0)", perhaps
< 1299622777 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow my impression is Read is discouraged for "real" parsing
< 1299622786 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(inefficient etc.)
< 1299622892 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who cares about efficiency, this is about purity!
< 1299622912 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, 1/0 would be nice because it's valid in exactly the places the input is
< 1299623007 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inefficient? that can all be optimized away!
< 1299623041 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X11 applications are supported through an X server, optionally rootless, running as Wayland client, although currently it only supports Intel X.org drivers.[21]
< 1299623045 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use Wayland then :)
< 1299623052 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1299623056 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/0 is complex infinity because you don't know if it's positive or negative
< 1299623060 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it just 'infinity' is a loss of information
< 1299623076 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X
< 1299623079 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: Lern2floatingpoint
< 1299623107 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehu
< 1299623111 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric
< 1299623117 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the real answer is 'you'll never need that information ever'
< 1299623117 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SWAT THE TROLL
< 1299623119 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1299623126 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patashu: that's not necessarily true
< 1299623131 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Patashu -----###
< 1299623131 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider interval notation
< 1299623141 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1299623142 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1/0,42]!
< 1299623145 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo, interval notation
< 1299623146 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prepares for swattage
< 1299623153 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1299623170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp*
< 1299623227 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: implicit admission that you used 1/0 to stand for an infinity in interval notation in your phd thesis!
< 1299623231 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1299623234 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND BECAUSE OF THAT ONE AMBIGUITY OF SIGN
< 1299623234 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL
< 1299623240 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOUR WORK'S INHERENT FALLACIOUSNESS WENT UNDISCOVERED FOR ALL THESE YEARS
< 1299623246 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait I know how to solve this
< 1299623248 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need -0 and +0
< 1299623249 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D
< 1299623254 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nullity
< 1299623265 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-226-48.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1299623265 0 :olsner!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oerjan's INHERENT FALLACIOUSNESS
< 1299623268 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: doubtful, i'd have used \infty (iirc)
< 1299623277 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that's positive infinity! maybe!
< 1299623387 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i'm thinking that if you use the one point compactification of the real line, there's only one, and you get a circle, and if you interpret intervals as alway going the same way around the circle, the notation makes sense.  also [2, 0] becomes everything >= 2 _or_ <= 0.
< 1299623397 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*always
< 1299623400 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha, nice try.
< 1299623406 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your degree is as good as revoked.
< 1299623414 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott -----###
< 1299623445 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you loop through infinity and come around the other side
< 1299623450 0 :Patashu!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with negative temperatures?
< 1299623451 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
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< 1299623502 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks the interval exchange systems article in his thesis _might_ be sort of close to this, vaguely
< 1299623520 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION starts writing Ørjan Johansen: Fraud, or Nazi?
< 1299623527 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be published in a mathematical journal near you
< 1299623607 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you that is sort of identifying 0 and 1, not -infinity and infinity.  or rather, we ended up splitting points _up_ a lot, and 0 and 1 becomes a split pair
< 1299623732 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to assume no one's interested in hearing about KT-AT?
< 1299623773 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interested in a morbid way, yes.
< 1299623786 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :She clarified that we're just friends.
< 1299623803 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re-clarified, I guess
< 1299623813 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, now go and be creepy to someone who isn't an idiot.
< 1299623932 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I'm downgrading by talking to Other
< 1299623958 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean computer idiot?
< 1299624000 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you just especially attracted to idiots or something?
< 1299624020 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ARE THEY THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL INDULGE YOUR SICK BLOOD FURRY FETISH)
< 1299624049 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> Are you just especially attracted to idiots or something?
< 1299624058 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think there's anyone who's NOT an idiot at his ""college""?
< 1299624065 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, nice terms for the (rented) cable modems of the local cable TV/ISP hybrid: if you "replace the firmware" (which I think includes also firmware upgrades from the manufacturer, not just third-party hacks) you're responsible for paying the operator the full purchase price. (Apparently because the device is permantently "tainted" after that, and unfit for any purpose.)
< 1299624068 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other does not go to this college
< 1299624070 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1299624086 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Even if wiped.
< 1299624091 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will always have the mark.
< 1299624093 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WATER MEMORY.
< 1299624098 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of like rape, except... firmware!
< 1299624111 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: CIRCUIT MEMORY; it's what SSDs are based on.
< 1299624115 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCIENCE FACTS.
< 1299624137 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the conductors remember every signal that has ever passed through them. That's how homeopathy works.
< 1299624146 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep
< 1299624153 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1299624166 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's electric water.
< 1299624404 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh, I heard homeopathy worked through nanobottery
< 1299624407 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recently, at least
< 1299624450 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pro-homeopathy people keep changing their explanation to whatever sciencey thing is not properly understood enough by enough people, so I never keep up
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< 1299625288 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweet, VirtualBox is non-deterministic.
< 1299625513 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it this is not the usual use of "non-deterministic" as found in complexity science and discussions of automata and such?
< 1299625569 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: No, it's the usual engineering sense.
< 1299625576 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is related, admittedly :P
< 1299625579 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm using it in a broad sense.
< 1299625582 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :engineering :|
< 1299625587 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software engineering.
< 1299625590 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh
< 1299625608 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of all people writing comp.sci. bachelor's theses at my uni currently
< 1299625613 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed an OS and now I can't reinstall it, getting the same error each time, with completely separate VMs :P
< 1299625620 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the only one writing a theoretical thesis :|
< 1299625621 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it updated and I just didn't notice, though.)
< 1299625626 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: SHAMEFUL.
< 1299625637 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: Transfer immediately.
< 1299625651 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :To my school!
< 1299625664 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is r/shittyadvice, right?
< 1299625674 0 :Deewiant!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bachelor's theses tend to be fairly nontheoretical at least around here.
< 1299625691 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bachelor's ... theses ...
< 1299625703 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HE HAS SO MANY OF THEM.
< 1299625706 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO. MANY.
< 1299625713 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's correct, though.
< 1299625719 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bachelor's thesis)s -> Bachelor's theses.
< 1299625721 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what I was referring to.
< 1299625728 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pluralization is clearly fine.
< 1299625729 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What then
< 1299625734 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*refering
< 1299625740 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The notion of a thesis for a bachelor's degree.
< 1299625746 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *referring
< 1299625757 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Apache
< 1299625762 0 :Apache!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Sgeo
< 1299625771 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Ha ha, America!
< 1299625772 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something.
< 1299625777 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That's not an Apache bug, it's an HTTP bug.
< 1299625778 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course Apache woulf be registered
< 1299625781 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: unless master's theses, these don't contain any theoretical advances, they're just .. summaries of some topic
< 1299625782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1299625786 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: *Roy_Fielding
< 1299625791 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not terribly advanced stuff
< 1299625809 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was actually Phillip Hallam-Baker, but that's boring.)
< 1299625825 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider trying to summarize why relativization doesn't cut it for the P=?NP problem
< 1299625827 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apavhe came to mind as some radnom web thing
< 1299625830 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwaarddijk: *unlike
< 1299625843 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wow, brainfart
< 1299625843 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha ha, you silly illiterate product of inbreeding. Wait what?
< 1299625853 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Swedish and Finnish at the same time; twice as bad.
< 1299625860 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, worst kind
< 1299625864 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No drives were found." Well that's a new one.
< 1299625953 0 :azaq23!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
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< 1299626149 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death
< 1299626239 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> "No drives were found." Well that's a new one. <-- where is that from?
< 1299626264 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Windows 7 installer. Why I'm installing it in a VM, I'm not sure. Why it isn't working, I'm even less sure.
< 1299626280 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, dammit, I can't let any problem go unresolved.
< 1299626284 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including cancer.
< 1299626309 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I managed to install windows 7 pro in virtualbox. 64-bit.
< 1299626323 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was some time ago though
< 1299626327 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm trying Ultimate (pirated of course) 64-bit ... and this worked just days/weeks ago.
< 1299626333 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinkin' some VirtualBox update broke compatibility.
< 1299626338 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you'd think they'd test this stuff.
< 1299626341 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The old VM still /boots/>0
< 1299626343 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/boots/.)
< 1299626357 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also I think mine is RTM. Since I got it from MSDNAA before windows 7 was available in the stores.
< 1299626361 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, still 3.2.8; I think that's what I had before. And this is stable Ubuntu so they wouldn't really update.
< 1299626363 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :How confusing.
< 1299626377 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think I have the release candidate on some drive somewhere. :p
< 1299626384 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But the whole Internet got access to that.)
< 1299626388 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, RC != RTM
< 1299626390 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know.
< 1299626452 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still the same error past the first bootup.
< 1299626458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xc0000225.
< 1299626460 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gugls
< 1299626499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That error code is often due to the BIOS not being recognised as fully ACPI
< 1299626499 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :compatible. Do you have the latest BIOS update on the laptop?"
< 1299626500 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1299626533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think this problem may be associated with APIC (Advanced Programmable
< 1299626533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interrupt Controller, not ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power
< 1299626533 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interface)."
< 1299626534 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm-hm.
< 1299626545 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently enabling APIC might help, but that's strange because I did not enable it in the other VM...
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< 1299627211 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did indeed work.
< 1299627333 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1299627371 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ x = {valueOf: function () { fire_ze_missiles(); return 42; }}; y = 69; /* now var z=0; for(i=0;i<x;i++) z += y; and x*y both fire ze missiles, but a different number of times */ }
< 1299627373 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: LOL JS
< 1299627381 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No but seriously, who's idea was valueOf?)
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< 1299627436 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG, things can have side effects NOOOO
< 1299627447 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I wouldn't mind e.g. + being overloadable...
< 1299627458 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: But you can make an object that acts exactly like an integer except that mentioning it has side-effects.
< 1299627462 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF.
< 1299627474 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/mentioning it/using it in math/
< 1299627532 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Surely it triggers for == too?
< 1299627538 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1299627544 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well that's just even more fux0red.
< 1299627551 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errrrwait, for == not for ===
< 1299627552 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure actually :P
< 1299627557 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Greaaaat.
< 1299627559 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :For < presumably.
< 1299627567 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And comparisons + arithmetic == pretty much all you can do with an integer :P
< 1299627618 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Gregor> js> var x = {valueOf: function() { this.acc++; return 42; }, acc: 0}; var z = false; if (x == 42) z = true; [x.acc, z]
< 1299627618 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<gbot2> Gregor: [1,true]
< 1299627625 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, it triggers for ==
< 1299627631 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, for math *shrugs*
< 1299627691 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What about array indexing. Ohwait, forgot you don't have arrays.
< 1299627698 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol @ your language is a language that is a toy language
< 1299627716 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... uhh, yeah, JS has arrays, it just doesn't have a uniquely array indexing operator.
< 1299627741 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, since the index has to be a primitive, I suspect that'd valueOf too.
< 1299627760 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Gregor> ... uhh, yeah, JS has arrays, it just doesn't have a uniquely array indexing operator.
< 1299627764 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it has objects that pretend to be arrays. :p
< 1299627779 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By being half-array, half-monstrosity.)
< 1299627796 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yeaaaaaaaaaah, OK.
< 1299627807 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I care not for your trollery.
< 1299627821 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: >:)
< 1299627834 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously though, JS is a terrible language.
< 1299627844 0 :elliott!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost as bad as Italian or your mom.
< 1299627902 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pours elliott a cup of Objective-J
< 1299627974 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yawn*
< 1299628542 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throw the DOM and various DOM incompatiblities on top and it is even worse. :-)