< 1300233613 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is taking a course of some sort on i dunno elementary school math i guess < 1300233622 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, multivariable calculus < 1300233626 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that stuff < 1300233627 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300233630 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-02sc-multivariable-calculus-fall-2010/part-a-vectors-determinants-and-planes/session-1-vectors/ < 1300233655 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the multivariable calculus course we had here is horribly hard, i barely got a 5 from it < 1300233767 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mit, huh? that's a big name, maybe they know what's useful to learn better than me < 1300234147 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@17.101.89.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300234147 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300234147 0 :pumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300234153 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300234301 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300234374 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300234483 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death < 1300234745 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i just got a great idea < 1300234760 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i don't sleep at all, i get to go to the university now! < 1300234798 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one small but, i don't get to sleep at all < 1300234811 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in quite a pickle < 1300235001 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300235004 0 :pumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300235536 0 :cheater00!~cheater@g228062053.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300235742 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300237181 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300237465 0 :Behold!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300237610 0 :BeholdMyGlory!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300237900 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PDF didn't say i-hat, it said i < 1300237901 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300238293 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300238344 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1300238347 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the fuck is oerjan < 1300238520 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300238561 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin! \o/ < 1300238562 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           | < 1300238562 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :           |\ < 1300238565 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::X < 1300238707 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi augur < 1300238785 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey :D < 1300238803 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wellnowwhat.net/puzzles/1/ < 1300238806 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :have more puzzle! < 1300238975 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan i was wrong about the 2 2-cycles 3 4-cycles one :x < 1300238976 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1300239008 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone in the class just asked the question I was thinking, and was going to ask here < 1300239177 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :creat@libc.so: STILL AVAILABLE < 1300239218 0 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-74-70-142-220.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300239421 0 :wareya!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1300239711 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT professors have awesome blackboards < 1300240031 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :blackboards suck < 1300240075 0 :Behold!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300240104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-02sc-multivariable-calculus-fall-2010/part-a-vectors-determinants-and-planes/session-1-vectors/MIT18_02SC_we_3_comb.pdf < 1300240117 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me way too long to remember the trig behind that answer < 1300240237 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The midpoint P = ⇒ (B + A) − C < 1300240238 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah < 1300240251 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The midpoint P = ⇒ (B + A) − C. < 1300240260 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't let me copy what I need to copy < 1300240266 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-02sc-multivariable-calculus-fall-2010/part-a-vectors-determinants-and-planes/session-1-vectors/MIT18_02SC_we_4_comb.pdf < 1300240276 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.. how that works, but I don't think I'd be able to do it myself < 1300240369 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300240784 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gaaah, Glee. Perhaps the worst thing about it is that its obnoxious focus on modern popular music. < 1300241281 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's eyes light up when he realizes that the first question requires no trig... wait < 1300241296 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer has to be in terms of... angle ? So it does < 1300241452 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION WTFs < 1300241583 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Como se dice "right angle" in vectorese? < 1300241665 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what I'm subtracting. I'll just draw that < 1300241774 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300241776 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-180-165.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300241844 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I know what I'm doing, WTF does this problem have to do with vectors? < 1300241849 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a trig problem < 1300242025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a) A river flows at 3 mph and a rower rows at 6 mph. What heading should the rower < 1300242025 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :take to go straight across a river?" < 1300242040 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy enough once I decided to just ignore anything related to vectors < 1300242054 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except remembering subtraction, which helped me visualize it < 1300242420 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: right angle in vectorese is "orthogonal" which formulaically means "have a dot product of zero" < 1300242436 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't gotten to dot products yet < 1300242469 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of did glance ahead, but have no conception of what dot products mean geometrically. I'm going to watch the video, I think < 1300242530 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that problem in vectorese would be "find theta such that 6*[cos theta,sin theta]+[0,3]=[x,0]" < 1300242573 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can see reduces to solving 6sin theta=3 < 1300242589 0 :augur!~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300242591 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, just putting things in perspective :P < 1300242861 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION headaches in the shape of parallelograms < 1300242897 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to read the solutions and move on with my life < 1300242931 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And laziness means half of my solution for the first question is wrong < 1300243815 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you inadertantly gave me an answer to one of these problems < 1300243893 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i didn't < 1300243946 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, you haven't even seen the problem I'm referring to < 1300243972 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. therefore i couldn't give you the answer. < 1300243987 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, it is impossible to give an answer inadvertently < 1300244003 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have given you some information that made it possible for you to find the solution < 1300244010 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not exactly the same < 1300244366 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: Do not guess at cosines < 1300244397 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided that cos(30deg) = 1/sqrt(2) < 1300244629 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chants tau at Sgeo < 1300244800 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: did you check out the puzzles? < 1300244851 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be so terrible to write 2pi/2 everywhere? < 1300244868 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :2pi/8, etc. < 1300244875 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1300244885 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refuse to simplify! < 1300244888 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes nuts < 1300244899 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: checking now :) < 1300244970 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good *God* the Fukushima-Daiichi reactor is in a bad state. < 1300245040 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: do you have an answer yourself? :P < 1300245057 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: or did you just figure out how to express your usual question in graphical form and are hoping someone figures it out? :P < 1300245082 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the answer :) < 1300245082 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Containment breach, meltdown, too radioactive to allow humans near... < 1300245098 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the question is < 1300245104 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see that equations with x, y, and z, whether they are planes, or empty sets... using dot products somehow? < 1300245105 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burning spent fuel rods... < 1300245113 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I renounce my fear of dot products < 1300245152 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: the question is what explains it! < 1300245157 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1300245268 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :n/m < 1300245276 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ill be back in a bit < 1300245277 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300245279 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300245391 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300245392 0 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-243-6.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300245409 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1300245446 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300245450 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1300245461 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend brought up an interesting question to me, maybe some of you dudes have ideas < 1300245477 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's trying to optimize deflate compression on a wordlist < 1300245483 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list doesn't need to be in order < 1300245504 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the question is, is there a method that could be used to squeeze a bit extra out of deflate by rearranging the order of the words? < 1300245983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Take points P = (a, 1, −1), Q = (0, 1, 1), R = (a, −1, 3). For what value(s) of a is P QR < 1300245983 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a right angle < 1300245985 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1300245991 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :QR is never a right angle < 1300246012 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is it asking for all 3 2d angles to be right angles at once? Because QR is never a right angle < 1300246063 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :O...k < 1300246068 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misunderstood the question < 1300246095 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's all laugh at Sgeo for forgetting basic geometry! < 1300246127 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, basic notation regarding geometry < 1300246182 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300246193 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, feel free to laugh at me < 1300246226 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ok < 1300246245 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1300246255 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: sussed it yet? < 1300246263 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: nope :/ < 1300246268 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300246271 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask me questions! < 1300246280 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur, not understanding what was meant by "angle PQR" < 1300246290 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what < 1300246307 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, I failed to properly comprehend the question < 1300246316 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what question < 1300246328 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this OpenCourseWare course I'm doing < 1300246342 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1300246342 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300246344 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont care < 1300246899 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: are there infinite non-isomorphic pictures you could provide? < 1300246909 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1300246923 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you run out of pictures, eventually? < 1300246926 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for this particular problem < 1300246930 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1300247084 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: tho keep in mind that this is entailed by the fact that oerjan discovered, which is that the disjoint union of graphs is always a member < 1300247199 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1300247204 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats not why < 1300247207 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :its merely entailed < 1300247213 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, its part of why < 1300247216 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but even without that < 1300247472 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1300247477 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1300247484 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno :P < 1300247489 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask questions about it! < 1300247689 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I wasting time by writing an Mandelbrot set generator in C? < 1300247697 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. I guess I could count this as C practice. < 1300247697 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :inda < 1300247699 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda* < 1300247699 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: its really simple and elegant underlyingly :) < 1300247735 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it is :P < 1300247748 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300247890 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: no questions? :( < 1300247927 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, doing other stuff too < 1300247932 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :o ok < 1300248061 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: are all the words unique? < 1300248078 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1300248093 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously myndzi is dead < 1300248213 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tes < 1300248217 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes < 1300248231 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's still online because \o/ still works < 1300248232 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                  ¦ < 1300248232 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                 ´¸¨ < 1300248238 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1300248238 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1300248241 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1300248245 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi hates me :() < 1300248247 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1300248248 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :try adding some leading spaces < 1300248252 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o/ < 1300248252 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                | < 1300248253 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :                >\ < 1300248255 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1300248256 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :>| < 1300248266 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that complicated < 1300248273 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will murder you, myndzi < 1300248304 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: change your nick to "my" or "zi" or "dz" or something so people will stop complaining when it doesn't work :P < 1300248332 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1300248397 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-200-60.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300248416 0 :pikhq_!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1300248427 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, apparently the OCW Multivariable calculus course includes stuff about matrices and determinants < 1300248454 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a major component of linear algebra? Is this course going to give me knowledge of linear algebra on the side? < 1300248483 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a major overlap between calculus and lin alg < 1300248662 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe people should just figure out that i can't put a foot in my nick < 1300248663 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1300248664 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That overlap is an example of the solid FAIL of mathematics education. < 1300248666 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I should do the later stuff in the earlier calculus < 1300248681 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah, that's pretty normal. < 1300248707 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know about Taylor series, about improper integrals, I don't remember more advanced integration stuff.. < 1300248726 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I deliberately pushed all introduction of trig where the original problem doesn't have trig out of my mind < 1300248737 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need trig. < 1300248767 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can do the derivatives and integrals of sine and cosine... < 1300248782 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And derivative of tangent given a bit of time, since I haven't memorized it < 1300248796 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memorise trig identities. And when you're done with that, do it again. < 1300248812 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin/cos=tan < 1300248818 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sin^2+cos^2=1 < 1300249062 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: what? foot in your nick? < 1300249063 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont get it < 1300249205 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i don't consider it fail. i think calc 3 should have strong lin alg elements in it. you should know basic lin alg coming in and not have to be retaught it, but calculus techniques should be added to your lin alg arsenal < 1300249309 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I think linear algebra should be taught long before then. < 1300249333 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: exactly. i just said the same thing. < 1300249361 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you said "the status quo is just fine". < 1300249371 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the exact *opposite* of what I'm saying. < 1300249538 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the status quo of math in general is not fine < 1300249553 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this particular part of the curriculum's organization makes sense to me < 1300249558 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you change specifically < 1300249594 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Teach linear algebra before, not after & during, calc 3. < 1300249627 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And beat whoever thought that teaching vectors 4 or 5 seperate fucking times was a good idea. < 1300249628 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which is how it is done now. i was asking what you wanted to change. < 1300249647 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :News to me! < 1300249667 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :something must be wrong with your school < 1300249686 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do you reside? < 1300249693 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :atlanta < 1300249711 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only conclude your school is less stupid than most. < 1300249837 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :here at gatech, lin alg is done during the first 1/3 of calc 2 (the last 2/3 are actual calculus topics) < 1300249850 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1300249851 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just took a peek at the final exam < 1300249853 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :got that backwards < 1300249864 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It states a trigonometric identity right there < 1300249867 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the top of the exam < 1300249869 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first 1/3 is single variable calc and the last 2/3 is lin alg < 1300249889 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats, GA Tech isn't quite as stupid as some other places. < 1300249890 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i53.tinypic.com/hwd6is.png < 1300249894 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i52.tinypic.com/b9dkzb.png < 1300249897 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so taken as a series, calc I,II,III is svc, then lin alg, then MVC < 1300249900 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the difference between abs and fabsf. < 1300249915 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :opps < 1300249926 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my experience, calc II has consisted of more single variable calculus, and calc III has been multivariable calculus. < 1300249940 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then comes linear algebra. < 1300249950 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what school are you at < 1300249972 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.math.gatech.edu/course/math/1502 < 1300249975 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, local community college, but this is the *third* fucking school I've been to. < 1300250024 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :calculus and then linear algebra? < 1300250025 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1300250027 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't take calc I or calc II here though < 1300250032 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did calc I as an AP class, calc II at University of Colorado, and calc III at Missouri University of Science & Technology, and am now doing linear algebra at the community college. < 1300250045 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, anyone familiar with voting system research? < 1300250050 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like, actual research) < 1300250054 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: depends which country your in. in the US you would be right < 1300250059 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: I'm in the US. < 1300250059 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took AP calc in high school to exempt calc I, then adv calc and lin alg as separate courses at a community college while in high school to exempt calc II < 1300250065 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is quintopia. < 1300250069 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: minimally I've read some studies but I don't know it well < 1300250078 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i know the arrow thm < 1300250084 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any modern stuff < 1300250101 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Calc II is a hard prereq for linear algebra. < 1300250116 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is basically "single-variable calculus we didn't teach you in calc I". < 1300250141 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which...doesn't make any sense < 1300250161 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about they just squeeze that stuff into calc I and then teach a whole course on lin alg :P < 1300250203 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: in the EU system they do that. EU Calc I is == US Calc I and Calc II; and EU calc II is == calc III + more < 1300250209 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: arrow theorem? < 1300250220 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: basically: there is no perfect voting system < 1300250230 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: oh yeah, that's not the exciting one < 1300250240 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random voting FTW? :P < 1300250248 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what we have at UW is calc 1, 2, and 3, with 3 being multivariate < 1300250251 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more accurately: one can't convert a ranked order of preferences into a group pref < 1300250257 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Likewise. < 1300250265 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebra is given in Algebra, Lin Alg I, Lin Alg II < 1300250267 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a spearate stream < 1300250280 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: rather, there is no system where more than 2 candidates can be voted on that satisfies 3 specific "fairness" principles. there can still be a "perfect" system if you redefine "fair" < 1300250297 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algebra is a singular course that is basically 'learn to proof' < 1300250307 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear algebra teaches, unsurprisingly, linear algebra < 1300250307 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single linear algebra course, a presumption you're familiar with elementary algebra, and that's about it on the algebra front unless you're seeking a math degree. < 1300250310 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yes. I wasn't giving a precise definition < 1300250316 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh yeah, this is math faculty < 1300250322 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno what other faculties do < 1300250337 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank preferences are kind of a shitty way to vote anyway < 1300250348 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :At which point you, of course, actually have all the fun stuff in the cirriculum. :) < 1300250357 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curriculum, even. < 1300250383 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka < 1300250386 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there's also calculus 4 and 5 for amath) < 1300250387 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :discrete math <3 < 1300250391 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: who? < 1300250395 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :students or me in particular? < 1300250405 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :dmath > amath < 1300250413 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:24 < pikhq> Single linear algebra course, a presumption you're familiar with elementary algebra, and that's about it on the algebra front unless you're seeking a math degree. < 1300250416 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Following that. < 1300250450 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: fair for the arrow thm is basically if all people like A > B then A will be chosen, no person has more power than another, and something about changing votes < 1300250452 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Calc 4 and 5? What's in those? < 1300250467 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: typically formal proofs of Calc 1 and Calc 2 < 1300250503 0 :variable!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight all! < 1300250507 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :variable: night < 1300250519 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is Vector integral calculus-line integrals, surface integrals and vector fields, Green's theorem, the Divergence theorem, and Stokes' theorem. Applications include conservation laws, fluid flow and electromagnetic fields. An introduction to Fourier analysis. Fourier series and the Fourier transform. Parseval's formula. Frequency analysis of signals. Discrete and continuous spectra. < 1300250540 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah. < 1300250546 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is actually an informal name; I can't remember which course it actually is at the moment < 1300250588 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think it's partial DEs 1 or something like that < 1300250602 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and yes, there is a partial DEs 2 < 1300250625 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Damn you people and your genuinely good education. < 1300250626 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never took diffeq >.> < 1300250635 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you should come to UW! < 1300250638 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took the required calc stuff and moved on the discrete stuff as fast as possible < 1300250668 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what? i've never had cause to solve an ODE since then! < 1300250676 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for engineers to do, i suppose < 1300250677 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Cash is, no doubt, a limiting factor. < 1300250753 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention my current GPA making going to a high-quality school nigh-impossible. Damned past me doing stupid shit. < 1300250759 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: very true, unfortunately. UW does have a program by which they'll waive fees if they're convinced you're giving them everything you can, but I'm not familiar with it < 1300250762 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh :( < 1300250882 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPA's a much harder point < 1300250898 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't really understand how they determine transfer admissions < 1300250931 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, cost would be insanely prohibitive for me as an international student. < 1300251050 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I said, they do have a "you're doing your best, we will bite the bullet to let you learn" program, which you might be able to get < 1300251064 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I know little about it < 1300251288 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, seems that I'd actually be able to transfer in, but financing is... Not fucking happening at all. < 1300251316 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300251328 0 :augur!~augur@208.58.6.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300251710 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: again, they do have that financing option; no clue if it's reasonable and life would probably suck < 1300251724 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem well-advertised on the website, but it's probably not the sort of thing you want to advertise < 1300251802 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I were Canadian, I would have already been going there, though. < 1300251843 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it pains me to see someone not able to get a good education because of $$$ < 1300251848 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd help you out if I had the money < 1300251882 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame the US post-secondary education. < 1300251906 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your international tuition rates are comparable to domestic tuition rates at some schools. < 1300251914 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I know, it's crazy < 1300251935 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember talking to a guy /from Pennsylvania/ for whom it was cheaper to go to McGill than Penn State < 1300251944 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it. < 1300252099 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, epic < 1300252111 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1300252123 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a magic rules help channel on EFNet with a bot that prints card text < 1300252137 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a guy joined and called up two card texts; me an another judge both answered his question before he asked it < 1300252160 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1300252164 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which two cards? < 1300252202 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hero of bladehold and gideon < 1300252312 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obvious question is obvious. < 1300252408 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1300252409 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1300252512 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300252521 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done similar things with scripting < 1300252527 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any magic cards these days < 1300252533 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know vaguely the rules of MtG, but none of the cards < 1300252536 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to run a bot for some mtg channel that did scramble text < 1300252537 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except lands, of course < 1300252547 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, the basic lands, I mean < 1300252547 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were like 5800 cards or something at the time(?) < 1300252552 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was like a decade ago < 1300252560 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :5800 that doesn't sound right < 1300252585 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know where the script is now < 1300252692 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that might be correct after all < 1300252696 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :google says there's like 15k now < 1300252699 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1300252729 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the card text an question>' < 1300252800 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.google.com/images?q=hero%20of%20bladehold&hl=en&biw=1236&bih=599 < 1300252808 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&biw=1236&bih=599&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=gideon+magic&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= < 1300252892 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't actually know what that shit is on the planeswalker card < 1300252920 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It starts with 6 .. I don't remember the term < 1300252941 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then add +2 or -2 or 0 for the relevent ability, I think < 1300252944 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen it before < 1300252950 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my memory may be bad < 1300252958 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loyalty < 1300252970 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1300252972 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just increase it indefinitely? < 1300252980 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes away if 0? < 1300252982 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this < 1300252987 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's some other new card type, 'tribal'? < 1300252987 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :loyalty < 1300252989 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly magic < 1300252993 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: oh yeah, tribal < 1300252994 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's become such a money grab < 1300252995 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1300252996 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to be a good game < 1300253002 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is still a good game < 1300253007 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :better game, I'd argue < 1300253008 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it just reinvents itself with trilogies over and over to make people spend money < 1300253024 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is true, but that's part of the fun; it changes < 1300253033 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, but it's too greedy for my taste < 1300253044 0 :coppro!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :drafting is really popular < 1300253047 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't suppose they could maintain the community they have without doing something like that though i guess < 1300253054 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not in the same way < 1300253063 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'd prefer a self contained game really < 1300253067 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to ... stop, at some point < 1300253072 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a new game instead or something, i dunon < 1300253099 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :earlier tonight i figured out most of how to make mafia a two player card game < 1300253114 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a dvorak project perhaps ;p < 1300253126 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i've ever played mafia though < 1300253136 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit funny since it seems popular on the internet < 1300253221 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never played it on the internet < 1300253229 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a great game in real life < 1300254663 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300254700 0 :ChanServ!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :+o oerjan < 1300254717 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-b *!*optbot@208.78.103.* < 1300254727 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid MODE #esoteric :-o oerjan < 1300254770 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Client Quit < 1300254838 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300255183 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300256128 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: boo! < 1300256134 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1300256134 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1300256166 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : @tell oerjan i was wrong about the 2 2-cycles 3 4-cycles one :x < 1300256170 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*MWAHAHAHA* < 1300256444 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300256566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then 2 2-cycles + n 4-cycles should be in general < 1300256569 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300256866 0 :cheater99!~cheater@g230231245.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300256899 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300257285 0 :sftp!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300258482 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :" dmath > amath" <<< ! < 1300258758 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: is discrete math considered math where you do your stuff? :) < 1300258805 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask me these questions when i'm trying to pretend to be asleep < 1300258810 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get a lot of students from france but they are all from the cs dep because the math dep just does analysis and we don't have that much of that < 1300258836 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :their math dep just does analysis i mean < 1300258940 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have it all backwards there < 1300259195 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :upside down land < 1300259197 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1300260924 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up oklo < 1300261064 0 :Zuu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300261312 0 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300262399 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :ended < 1300262400 0 :clog!unknown@unknown.invalid JOIN :#esoteric < 1300265276 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: haha < 1300266213 0 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-d93295ad.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300268146 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300268209 0 :EgoBot!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300268247 0 :EgoBot!~EgoBot@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300268251 0 :Gregor!~Gregor@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1300268277 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Guest945 < 1300270446 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300271017 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1300271446 0 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db429cf.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300271525 0 :cheater99!~cheater@e181132233.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300272596 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300277561 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300277773 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-16-132.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300277773 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300277773 0 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1300277916 0 :sebbu!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300279270 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300279281 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-201-185.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300279325 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131042.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300279405 0 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@61.251.165.38 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300279428 0 :lifthrasiir!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1300279460 0 :cheater99!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300279705 0 :Guest945!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Gregor < 1300280292 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300280361 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan i'll have to generate more to confirm your predictions up to some level of accuracy < 1300280489 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit lambdabot :| < 1300280715 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300280741 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300281771 0 :rodgort!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1300281793 0 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300282102 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300282290 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300282782 0 :sftp!~sftp@79.174.49.11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300283245 0 :FireFly!~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly JOIN :#esoteric < 1300284270 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300284365 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300284443 0 :poiuy_qwert!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1300285912 0 :copumpkin!~pumpkin@unaffiliated/pumpkingod JOIN :#esoteric < 1300285963 0 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory JOIN :#esoteric < 1300286094 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300286202 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300289205 0 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172176.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1300289836 0 :sebbu2!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :sebbu < 1300289926 0 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300290137 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :can there be two programs A and B where A is a plugin for B, but B is a plugin for A (depending on the situation)? what is an actual use case for this? < 1300290212 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on your definition of "plugin". If piping data to each other is considered to be a "plugin", then practically every application in the standard Unix toolchest fits that description. < 1300290216 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater00: Word and Excel ever since Windows 3.1 < 1300290226 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can embed Word documents into Excel documents, and vice versa < 1300290245 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a less-ambiguously-plugin example, innit X-P < 1300290247 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, the concept's of dubious utility < 1300290254 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: aha < 1300290305 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: basically, X is a plugin of Y if X registers for callbacks in Y and executes them, later passing control back to Y right after the callbacks are executed. < 1300291360 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300291374 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still no sign of elliott growing up, I see. < 1300291867 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what happened? < 1300291889 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are the last person I am going to discuss this with. < 1300291895 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I had you on ignore... < 1300291907 0 :Vorpal!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1300291917 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, fixed it. < 1300291927 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It mustn't have been persistent. < 1300292006 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300292014 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people are so... lively, I think is the word. < 1300292355 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly not the right word. < 1300292414 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's *a* word. < 1300292863 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's "circumspect". < 1300293129 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300293249 0 :Ilari!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC down 0.03: 2x1k to Nepal, 1k to Hong Kong, 3x64k+3x32k to China, 2k to Fiji, 128k to Taiwan, 512+256 to India, /48 to Australia < 1300293802 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/faked-data-unsubstantiated-claims-and-spirituality-add-up-to-a-math-journal-retraction/ < 1300293805 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retractions. < 1300293811 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a mathematics journal. < 1300293814 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG < 1300293901 0 :augur!~augur@129.2.129.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300294411 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I made an antioptbot that reverted all of optbot's topic changes, then somebody made an antiantioptbot and oerjan banned it. elliott got all bitchy then modified optbot to change its nick randomly before changing the /topic, then oerjan banned both optbot and antioptbot (the latter being totally useless without optbot anyway). elliott left in a huff, taking Herobrine with him. < 1300295200 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott can't stand the situation when the whole world isn't spinning around him. < 1300295240 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that retraction is great < 1300295256 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got one crazy maths book written by rev. something-or-another. it's full of crazy bs. < 1300295327 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cartesian and Argand Values, by The Rev. P. H. Francis, M.A. < 1300295407 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan you're right, (2,n) is always a member < 1300295407 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1300295524 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in short, elliott has issues understanding "DEAR GOD MAKE IT STOP". < 1300295531 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :PREFACE: The author from a study of properties of infinity gave some elementary deductions from these properties, in a short work /Mathematics of Infinity/, in 1968. (...) [F]urther study allowed Parts I-III of the present work to be composed. It then occured to the author to give the coordinate axes electrical units; and Parts IV and V were added, in which the cause of gravity, and the ways in which the earth is heated and lighted are i < 1300295531 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ndicated. But the author has little knowledge of electricity, and less chemistry, and knows little of atomic theories (...) < 1300295680 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially. < 1300295745 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I actually liked optbot, but if someone goes to the effort of *making an antioptbot*, just fucking stop. < 1300295788 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Seems that a massive update hit Debian. < 1300295799 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptitude's spent the last 5 minutes resolving dependencies. < 1300295833 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was mainly because he'd been told to implement a fix by oerjan to make the topic-overriding less obnoxious, but then went to sleep and left optbot running unmodified. < 1300295937 0 :cal153!~cal@70.36.237.178 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300296006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor made antioptbot and elliott refused to implement the fix until oerjan banned it, and oerjan refused to ban it until elliott made the fix. < 1300296266 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300296374 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-208-53.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300297756 0 :hagb4rd!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300298359 0 :oerjan!oerjan@tyrell.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1300298401 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1300298409 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1300298409 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1300298417 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1300298417 0 :lambdabot!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur said 50m 12s ago: you're right, (2,n) is always a member < 1300298446 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: well that follows from your (2,3) change of mind + the disjoint union rule < 1300298456 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1300298465 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh.. does it? < 1300298470 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. < 1300298475 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1300298521 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, i guess it sort of makes sense < 1300298566 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have (2,0), (2,1) and (2,2) as examples. (2,3) you say is also there. now add (0,4) to those repeatedly. < 1300298595 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :since (2,1) and (0,2) are members, then (2,1) + n*(0,2) will be too so that gives you 2n+1 < 1300298604 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie the odd numbers < 1300298626 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you don't have (0,2) < 1300298637 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehh < 1300298639 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're right :) < 1300298658 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300298662 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-208-53.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300298668 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh holy crap it's *still going*. < 1300298685 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is? < 1300298707 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptitude < 1300298708 0 :augur!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk oerjan < 1300298765 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees added examples < 1300298845 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last two were already known by union, though < 1300298895 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that the last four < 1300298923 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, not the third last, that's the new (2,3) < 1300299062 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300299073 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-244-31.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300299093 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to implement scapegoat while elliott is pouting :P < 1300299125 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: does adding a 4-cycle to a member still give a member? < 1300299207 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is (1,0,1) _not_ a member < 1300299508 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: I made an antioptbot that reverted all of optbot's topic changes, then somebody made an antiantioptbot and oerjan banned it. elliott got all bitchy then modified optbot to change its nick randomly before changing the /topic, then oerjan banned both optbot and antioptbot (the latter being totally useless without optbot anyway). elliott left in a huff, taking Herobrine with him. < 1300299530 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you not in exactly that order (most of my bans came after elliott left) < 1300299551 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh they did? I faillol at log reading :P < 1300299560 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, still time to implement scapegoat while elliott is pouting. < 1300299590 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have since reverted all the bans except antioptbot, which after some reconsideration is the only one i should have banned in the first place, if any < 1300299820 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh piffle, it was just the implementation of a personal spat :P < 1300300015 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's the one action that i think wouldn't have added to the drama < 1300300053 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he says, naively) < 1300300258 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you know, making a rule "bots shall not change the topic" and ban them all. that seems the most fair. < 1300300300 0 :Sgeo!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1300300348 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the rule "bots shall not sabotage each other" is fairer ;( < 1300300371 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a winking frown? < 1300300391 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing it outlaws definitely disruptive behavior. < 1300300395 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see no reason bots shouldn't sabotage each other. < 1300300416 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the easiest way to deal with annoying bots without involving an op < 1300300445 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, i had already been involved with optbot, thank you very much. < 1300300465 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we were now speaking hypothetically < 1300300507 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the rule "you shall not make rules unnecessary, because there will always be some hypothetical reason to break them" is also nice... < 1300300515 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ily < 1300300555 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's essentially equivalent to "be as reasonable about exception-granting as you are about rules" < 1300300618 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, i think the rule of thumb for bots is "thou shalt not make an annoying bot" < 1300300651 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i define annoying as "does stuff without being deliberately provoked by a user with the intent to make it do that stuff" < 1300300669 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :welll < 1300300675 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"outputs stuff" i mean < 1300300874 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i'm sliding back into drama just by having this conversation. < 1300300914 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300301025 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's a reasonable discussion to have < 1300301031 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :every channel needs a bot policy < 1300301240 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-28-102.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300301525 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not all under-the-bed monsters are made equal http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/pondus/ < 1300301880 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't speak that language < 1300301915 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was mostly visual, so i linked it anyhow < 1300301922 0 :Slereah!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1300301924 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's norwegian of course) < 1300302015 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1300302026 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what was happening < 1300302032 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :a boy was talking to a monster < 1300302039 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that funny? < 1300302163 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :...helping it to apply nail polish? < 1300302197 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm. < 1300302225 0 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-4-105.w92-135.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1300302231 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed that < 1300302242 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it funny now that i know that? < 1300302247 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1300302263 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a bit funny < 1300303231 0 :asiekierka!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1300303255 0 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300304367 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote that's the joy of JS, it's your bitch < 1300304443 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :) that's the joy of JS, it's your bitch < 1300304481 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1300304487 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes < 1300304505 0 :HackEgo!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :131) insufficient time dilation. try running faster. < 1300304568 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i get it, it's funny because norwegian looks silly! < 1300305085 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually laughed at today's xkcd. something about that idea... < 1300305146 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at it, I missed the idea to start with due to confusion between the player/character distinction < 1300305171 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer game /characters/ can generally be safer abused due to, you know, not existing < 1300305172 0 :oklopol!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: all kinds of weird stuff gets accepted to math journals < 1300305183 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and luckily, harming the character doesn't harm the corresponding player, if there is one < 1300305377 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I am once again forced to solicit opinions on VPS providers: 10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 230.677 s, 45.5 kB/s < 1300305427 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anybody have a good VPS? < 1300305499 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Was that disk IO? < 1300305579 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And was it prgmr you used?) < 1300305798 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300305895 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know one http://www.linode.com/ user who hasn't been complaining, but of course that's not saying much. < 1300305928 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And another one who runs a server in Rackspace's cloud and complains about network bandwidth. < 1300306043 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's disk I/O, yes. And Linode charges too much for RAM, and I'm RAM-hungry :( < 1300306044 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most of the other VPS' broadly disallow all IRC bots because they're lame. < 1300306086 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: my vps has been great < 1300306100 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which i mean, they haven't bothered me except about paying them on time < 1300306100 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: And it is? < 1300306104 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :intovps.com < 1300306144 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :they give you two ipv4 addresses and 60GB disk for $20, which is a pretty fair price. < 1300306146 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I didn't even know people use OpenVZ in serious business. < 1300306161 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is pretty decent ... < 1300306170 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with OpenVZ? < 1300306182 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: what sort of bandwidth? < 1300306192 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1300306196 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :check the specs on the site < 1300306202 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't used it up yet :P < 1300306218 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IRC access is forbidden" < 1300306220 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :God wtf < 1300306221 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nothing that I know of, I just didn't know people were seriously using it. (And of course some might claim it's more of a fakertualization than virtualization, since you don't get to run your own kernal.) < 1300306230 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are they all so snippy about IRC. < 1300306266 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people using IRC often invite DDOS attacks < 1300306283 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :on certain servers, DOSing or DDOSing people you don't like seems commonplace, for whatever reason < 1300306320 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is just so durpy X_X < 1300306348 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"war bots/X-DCC are not allowed"; isn't that a bit redundant if IRC access in general is, too? < 1300306423 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think so. < 1300306423 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot and HackEgo both run (slowly) on VPS. I can't switch to a VPS that doesn't allow IRC. < 1300306423 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only reason why EgoBot and HackEgo are so slow is that my disk speed on prgmr is totally broken. < 1300306439 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm sure they wouldn't notice, by why step on their feet :P < 1300306583 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :My ISP sells VPS stuff too, but they're probably quite far in the expensive side of things. < 1300306680 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As in >2 times the Linode prices.) < 1300306792 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try using that huge table at http://www.comparevps.com/ too. < 1300306824 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not sure how up-to-date they are; at least quite many links are borken.) < 1300306870 0 :oerjan!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1300307170 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they say it's forbidden, but i'm connecting from them right now. they've never said anything about it. < 1300307201 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's some particular reason this Amsterdam-based VPS shop ("Tilaa") has a name that's a Finnish word. (It's, among others, the third-person singular "to order", or the second-person imperative of it, or the partitive of the noun "space" (as in "yes, we have space for you", not "space, the final frontier").) < 1300307245 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i think they just put it in the rules so they can cancel users for whom it actually becomes a problem. it's like the rule against alcohol in nat'l parks. they don't enforce it unless you get rowdy. < 1300307572 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@cpc3-sgyl21-0-0-cust116.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300307580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Changing host < 1300307580 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300307898 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I mean, I'm sure they wouldn't notice, by why step on their feet :P < 1300308007 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: because it gets you a huge slice of computer for a very low price. is there any better reason? < 1300308052 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I just really don't want to wake up one day and find that codu.org is down because they found out I had a connection to port 6667. < 1300308099 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also you can be sure that someone from there would send anonymous tip-offs to them. < 1300308124 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I make a bot that undoes all their bot's actions :P < 1300308158 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/there/here/, and yes. < 1300308292 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides, I host Hackiki (also only slow because of abysmal disk performance), and some hosts may find that offensive :P < 1300308304 0 :impomatic!~chatzilla@81.3.gr6.adsl.brightview.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300308446 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: this is why i try to make regular backups of my data and a backup vps in mind. i can switch vps's in a couple hours if that happens. < 1300308515 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I back up all my data, but don't have a backup VPS in mind, and even if I did it would take more than a couple hours to get it up ... < 1300308653 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid TOPIC #esoteric :Try out yoob @ http://catseye.tc/lab/yoob/applet.html | logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1300308654 0 :myndzi!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1300308669 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He took the server down as well as Herobrine.) < 1300308673 0 :myndzi!myndzi@c-76-28-158-10.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300308796 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, this VPS' terms of service includes: "User may not: ... b) Run stand-alone, unattended server-side processes at any point in time on the server. This includes any and all daemons, such as IRCD." < 1300308804 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh, that also includes all daemons SUCH AS APACHE < 1300308850 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :which VPS? < 1300308853 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like... not a server < 1300308863 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Donno, I already closed it, it was too stupid ;P < 1300308872 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the rest of their page talked about using the VPS as a web server. < 1300308880 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So pretty much they're made of fail. < 1300308932 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what would be a client-side process in that context? < 1300308979 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You just need to run all servers in a non-daemonizing mode, and keep a SSH connection open to watch them. (Maybe you could put the ssh in a screen on another VPS.) < 1300308993 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sshd is a server < 1300309028 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe netcat into a bash. < 1300309155 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: netcat is a server < 1300309188 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has to be unattended in order to get it to run on the VPS (emphasis on 'S') in the first place. < 1300309264 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bestdealvps.com/tos <-- ahh, here it is < 1300309278 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if there's no sshd, how do you connect to it at all? < 1300309312 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably there is an sshd, but their server as preconfigured by them violates their own TOS. < 1300309434 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vpszone.com/tos.html <-- here's a TOS I can actually work with < 1300309620 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Offering UNLIMITED Space and or Bandwidth will result in instant termination of your account. We will not contact you before we delete your files." bahahaha < 1300309649 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume that's targeted at would-be resellers. < 1300309657 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1300309667 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just love the fact that people do that < 1300309683 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :get a limited vps and then resell it as unlimited < 1300309705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point? < 1300309712 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that they can't possibly make good on their promise? < 1300309713 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONEY < 1300309714 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like their TOS, but the $15 extra a month just kills it for me :P < 1300309749 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they scam as many people as they can. then, when they run out of resources, they close up shop and run, or something like that. < 1300309767 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I was going to go with the slightly-lesser $19/mo plan < 1300309780 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/was going to go with/would go with/ < 1300309789 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :128MB less RAM :/ < 1300309791 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i <3 RAM < 1300309819 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a RAM hog too, but intovps just isn't on the list. < 1300309827 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Violating the TOS isn't something I'm willing to do, too risky. < 1300309876 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's probs more risky for you < 1300309898 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like the most i can lose is a few hours of installing software again on the next vps < 1300309908 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they ever even say anything about it < 1300309918 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :768 = 1024 - 256. < 1300309926 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens to Gregor if he violates them? < 1300309929 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :even worse :P < 1300309936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they go at him with a cudgel? < 1300309941 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides in the corner < 1300309984 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BLEH < 1300309987 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY PRGMR WHY < 1300310004 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :By all respects I should be WILDLY underutilizing this machine. < 1300310013 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead it crawls, and not because of CPU or memory, but because of the friggin' HARD DISK. < 1300310015 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeesh. < 1300310026 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what about using a tmpfs? < 1300310035 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a VPS (emphasis on the V), maybe their fair IO scheduling isn't so fair. < 1300310037 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else on your box is a disk hog and their scheduler is faulty < 1300310046 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka what fizzie said < 1300310066 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what THEY said. < 1300310073 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THEY = prgmr) < 1300310080 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I need the RAM too much. < 1300310089 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And there are too many things that (briefly) need the HD. < 1300310135 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Maybe you can open a new prgmr account under an assumed name, hope it gets assigned to some better physical place, then move all data and close the old?-) < 1300310153 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just let prgmr know that the HD access times are unexpectedly slow < 1300310162 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see if they draw the same conclusion you do < 1300310168 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have, they've tried to fix it rather than just doing as I ask and moving me to a different system. < 1300310238 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please note; this means all plans come with $4/month worth of support." I guess you've used your $4 already. :p < 1300310255 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes :P < 1300310294 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually in spite of what that says, that has more to do with "we won't help you if you're a Linux noob" than "we won't help you if there are problems with our hardware" < 1300310379 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :real 3m26.984s user 0m3.320s sys 0m1.828s < 1300310380 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1300310401 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could just have had a /really small/ proportion of hte timeslices < 1300310402 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the < 1300310402 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes 3.5 min to copy 200MB < 1300310622 0 :Mathnerd314!~mathnerd3@dsl.6.28.53.206.cos.dyn.pcisys.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300311323 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, turns out the technician in my school's science department is awesome. < 1300311472 0 :impomatic!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.17/20110121150729] < 1300311646 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, the BBC seems to think that WP is still GDFL. < 1300311665 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dual-licensed, the GDFL is one of the licenses < 1300311675 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but CC-by-sa is normally more convenient for reuse < 1300311675 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1300311694 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :it allows CC-only imports, but they have to be marked < 1300311702 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything's CC-by-ssa+GDFL by default < 1300311705 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :*CC-by-sa < 1300311716 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders how you make things creative commons via single static assignment < 1300311729 0 :ais523!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, Creative Commons is who you'd assign it to, but how do you get the static in? < 1300311952 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers that Googling the manufacture of TNT is possibly not the least incriminating of actions < 1300312220 0 :bitmsk!5cec1f78@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.236.31.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300312332 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out it's perfectly plausible that my uncle made it in his chemistry lesson, though. < 1300312567 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :my flatmate's uncle once did some thing in chemistry where he dissolved a fish < 1300312577 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :when he went to sleep he started thinking about that < 1300312583 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :and realized oh shit it will go pretty explosive soon < 1300312587 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he had left it at uni overnight9 < 1300312593 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can only end well. < 1300312614 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he had to hurry back and try to concoct a way to cancel out the explosiveness < 1300312633 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, apparently, if you dissolve some kinds of fish in the right acids, you get pretty strong explosives < 1300312659 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds plausible. < 1300312675 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it was trinitrotoluene though < 1300312704 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was more similar to nitroglycerin though < 1300312725 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as he was very careful in handling it, pretty much sweating all the time... something like "one false move and this goes all the way to hell" < 1300312846 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I started on this was that some of the chemistry students in the year above me at school were trying to make gunpowder. < 1300312906 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they needed stuff from the technician, and he cottoned on after they asked for sulphur and potassium nitrate in short succession. < 1300312936 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he told them how to make nitrogen triïodide instead, which is much more fun. < 1300312962 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :explodes when touched? < 1300312967 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep/ < 1300312969 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun. < 1300313006 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tested it by leaving some bits of paper soaked in it in the corridors just before lunch break started. < 1300313034 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alpha particles trigger it? < 1300313037 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, that's sensitive. < 1300313059 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's weak enough not to be dangerous in such amounts? < 1300313067 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *single* alpha particles, surely? < 1300313077 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I think it just makes a bang. < 1300313110 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only when the alpha particles are dating do they set it off. < 1300313126 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Gregor. < 1300313278 0 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4db40a44.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300313553 0 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-18bf618a.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300313739 0 :pikhq!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1300313759 0 :cheater00!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1300313784 0 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-171-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1300313922 0 :wareya_!unknown@unknown.invalid NICK :Alex_Megaroide < 1300314550 0 :alegend45!~chatzilla@68-116-252-37.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1300314562 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back, guys! < 1300314606 0 :Gregor!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :And naturally we all remember who you are, because you're a legend :P < 1300314678 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1300314689 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alegend on esolangs. < 1300314831 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PART #esoteric :? < 1300314837 0 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300314856 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :alegend45, I SUSPECT THAT YOU HAVE MADE MULTIPLE BRAINFUCK DERIVATIVES < 1300314867 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1300314876 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE < 1300314878 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple are 2D. < 1300314889 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh stop. < 1300314900 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make mixes. < 1300314905 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :made. < 1300314907 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRAAAAAAAAAAAH < 1300314912 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOTE MY USER PAGE ON THE WIKI < 1300315012 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find it. < 1300315069 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Phantom_Hoover < 1300315194 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, it's taking so long to load! < 1300315206 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH GOD. < 1300315222 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :BRICK < 1300315224 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEAD < 1300315274 0 :alegend45!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.15/20110303171539] < 1300315486 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :rofl < 1300315498 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy to get rid of noobs < 1300315567 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why don't you fuck their brains with a brick instead? < 1300315576 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you snap < 1300315582 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :as that punishment sounds kind of called for? < 1300315589 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transplants are more civilised. < 1300315597 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise they are effectively the same. < 1300315600 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would truly be a punishment fit for the crime < 1300315614 0 :quintopia!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly does Kaksikymmentäneljätuntiaikakausitämänhetkinen mean? < 1300315643 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a program in FinnLang. < 1300315664 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :twentyfourhourtimeunitthismomenty < 1300315675 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very well formed < 1300315896 0 :fizzie!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tämänhetkinen kahdenkymmenenneljän tunnin aikakausi" would be more-or-less proper Finnish for "the current twenty-four hour period". < 1300316277 0 :cheater00!~cheater@e181131198.adsl.alicedsl.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1300316817 0 :Lymia!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1300316851 0 :Lymia!~moe@unaffiliated/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1300317050 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what's actual Finnish for "today"? < 1300317122 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :tänään < 1300317133 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO MANY DOTS < 1300317143 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just write them as lines < 1300317155 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't recall what that diacritic usually is called < 1300317161 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :saves muscle usage in the hand < 1300317170 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i will have much muscle usage left when I die < 1300317173 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :more so than the average finn < 1300317179 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :The diaresis, in English. < 1300317186 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's very rarely used. < 1300317193 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I mean the --shaped one < 1300317195 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the ..-shaped one < 1300317217 0 :Zwaarddijk!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :macron < 1300317226 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION → sleep < 1300317242 0 :Phantom_Hoover!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1300317352 0 :poiuy_qwert!~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151 JOIN :#esoteric < 1300318537 0 :copumpkin!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1300319214 0 :FireFly!unknown@unknown.invalid QUIT :Quit: swatted to death