00:00:13 Sgeo is taking a course of some sort on i dunno elementary school math i guess 00:00:22 oklopol, multivariable calculus 00:00:26 yeah that stuff 00:00:27 :P 00:00:30 http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-02sc-multivariable-calculus-fall-2010/part-a-vectors-determinants-and-planes/session-1-vectors/ 00:00:55 the multivariable calculus course we had here is horribly hard, i barely got a 5 from it 00:02:47 mit, huh? that's a big name, maybe they know what's useful to learn better than me 00:09:07 -!- pumpkin has joined. 00:09:07 -!- pumpkin has quit (Changing host). 00:09:07 -!- pumpkin has joined. 00:09:13 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:11:41 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:12:54 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:14:43 -!- FireFly has quit (Quit: swatted to death). 00:19:05 hey i just got a great idea 00:19:20 if i don't sleep at all, i get to go to the university now! 00:19:58 there's one small but, i don't get to sleep at all 00:20:11 i'm in quite a pickle 00:23:21 -!- copumpkin has joined. 00:23:24 -!- pumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:32:16 -!- cheater00 has joined. 00:35:42 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 00:59:41 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 01:04:25 -!- Behold has joined. 01:06:50 -!- BeholdMyGlory has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 01:11:40 The PDF didn't say i-hat, it said i 01:11:41 :( 01:18:13 -!- augur has joined. 01:19:04 :| 01:19:07 where the fuck is oerjan 01:22:00 -!- copumpkin has joined. 01:22:41 copumpkin! \o/ 01:22:42 | 01:22:42 |\ 01:22:45 :X 01:25:07 hi augur 01:26:25 hey :D 01:26:43 http://www.wellnowwhat.net/puzzles/1/ 01:26:46 have more puzzle! 01:29:35 @tell oerjan i was wrong about the 2 2-cycles 3 4-cycles one :x 01:29:36 Consider it noted. 01:30:08 Someone in the class just asked the question I was thinking, and was going to ask here 01:32:57 creat@libc.so: STILL AVAILABLE 01:33:38 -!- wareya_ has joined. 01:37:01 -!- wareya has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:41:51 MIT professors have awesome blackboards 01:47:11 blackboards suck 01:47:55 -!- Behold has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:48:24 http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-02sc-multivariable-calculus-fall-2010/part-a-vectors-determinants-and-planes/session-1-vectors/MIT18_02SC_we_3_comb.pdf 01:48:37 It took me way too long to remember the trig behind that answer 01:50:37 The midpoint P = ⇒ (B + A) − C 01:50:38 Gah 01:50:51 The midpoint P = ⇒ (B + A) − C. 01:51:00 It won't let me copy what I need to copy 01:51:06 http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-02sc-multivariable-calculus-fall-2010/part-a-vectors-determinants-and-planes/session-1-vectors/MIT18_02SC_we_4_comb.pdf 01:51:16 I see.. how that works, but I don't think I'd be able to do it myself 01:52:49 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 01:59:44 Gaaah, Glee. Perhaps the worst thing about it is that its obnoxious focus on modern popular music. 02:08:01 * Sgeo 's eyes light up when he realizes that the first question requires no trig... wait 02:08:16 The answer has to be in terms of... angle ? So it does 02:10:52 * Sgeo WTFs 02:13:03 Como se dice "right angle" in vectorese? 02:14:25 I know what I'm subtracting. I'll just draw that 02:16:14 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 02:16:16 -!- pikhq has joined. 02:17:24 Now that I know what I'm doing, WTF does this problem have to do with vectors? 02:17:29 It's just a trig problem 02:20:25 "a) A river ﬂows at 3 mph and a rower rows at 6 mph. What heading should the rower 02:20:25 take to go straight across a river?" 02:20:40 Easy enough once I decided to just ignore anything related to vectors 02:20:54 Well, except remembering subtraction, which helped me visualize it 02:27:00 sgeo: right angle in vectorese is "orthogonal" which formulaically means "have a dot product of zero" 02:27:16 I haven't gotten to dot products yet 02:27:49 I kind of did glance ahead, but have no conception of what dot products mean geometrically. I'm going to watch the video, I think 02:28:50 that problem in vectorese would be "find theta such that 6*[cos theta,sin theta]+[0,3]=[x,0]" 02:29:33 which you can see reduces to solving 6sin theta=3 02:29:49 -!- augur has joined. 02:29:51 but yeah, just putting things in perspective :P 02:34:21 * Sgeo headaches in the shape of parallelograms 02:34:57 I'm just going to read the solutions and move on with my life 02:35:31 And laziness means half of my solution for the first question is wrong 02:50:15 quintopia, you inadertantly gave me an answer to one of these problems 02:51:33 no i didn't 02:52:26 quintopia, you haven't even seen the problem I'm referring to 02:52:52 exactly. therefore i couldn't give you the answer. 02:53:07 indeed, it is impossible to give an answer inadvertently 02:53:23 i may have given you some information that made it possible for you to find the solution 02:53:30 but that's not exactly the same 02:59:26 Note to self: Do not guess at cosines 02:59:57 I decided that cos(30deg) = 1/sqrt(2) 03:03:49 * pikhq chants tau at Sgeo 03:06:40 copumpkin: did you check out the puzzles? 03:07:31 Would it be so terrible to write 2pi/2 everywhere? 03:07:48 2pi/8, etc. 03:07:55 >.> 03:08:05 Refuse to simplify! 03:08:08 * Sgeo goes nuts 03:08:19 augur: checking now :) 03:09:30 Good *God* the Fukushima-Daiichi reactor is in a bad state. 03:10:40 augur: do you have an answer yourself? :P 03:10:57 augur: or did you just figure out how to express your usual question in graphical form and are hoping someone figures it out? :P 03:11:22 i have the answer :) 03:11:22 Containment breach, meltdown, too radioactive to allow humans near... 03:11:38 * copumpkin wonders what the question is 03:11:44 You can see that equations with x, y, and z, whether they are planes, or empty sets... using dot products somehow? 03:11:45 Burning spent fuel rods... 03:11:53 Ok, I renounce my fear of dot products 03:12:32 copumpkin: the question is what explains it! 03:12:37 :o 03:14:28 n/m 03:14:36 ok ill be back in a bit 03:14:37 :) 03:14:39 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:16:31 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:16:32 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 03:16:49 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 03:17:26 -!- poiuy_qwert has joined. 03:17:30 hmm 03:17:41 a friend brought up an interesting question to me, maybe some of you dudes have ideas 03:17:57 he's trying to optimize deflate compression on a wordlist 03:18:03 the list doesn't need to be in order 03:18:24 so the question is, is there a method that could be used to squeeze a bit extra out of deflate by rearranging the order of the words? 03:26:23 Take points P = (a, 1, −1), Q = (0, 1, 1), R = (a, −1, 3). For what value(s) of a is P QR 03:26:23 a right angle 03:26:25 WTF 03:26:31 QR is never a right angle 03:26:52 And is it asking for all 3 2d angles to be right angles at once? Because QR is never a right angle 03:27:43 O...k 03:27:48 I misunderstood the question 03:28:15 Let's all laugh at Sgeo for forgetting basic geometry! 03:28:47 Well, basic notation regarding geometry 03:29:42 -!- augur has joined. 03:29:53 augur, feel free to laugh at me 03:30:26 Sgeo: ok 03:30:45 why? 03:30:55 copumpkin: sussed it yet? 03:31:03 augur: nope :/ 03:31:08 :( 03:31:11 ask me questions! 03:31:20 augur, not understanding what was meant by "angle PQR" 03:31:30 Sgeo: what 03:31:47 As in, I failed to properly comprehend the question 03:31:56 what question 03:32:08 In this OpenCourseWare course I'm doing 03:32:22 ok 03:32:22 well 03:32:24 i dont care 03:41:39 augur: are there infinite non-isomorphic pictures you could provide? 03:41:49 what do you mean 03:42:03 would you run out of pictures, eventually? 03:42:06 for this particular problem 03:42:10 no 03:44:44 copumpkin: tho keep in mind that this is entailed by the fact that oerjan discovered, which is that the disjoint union of graphs is always a member 03:46:39 I see 03:46:44 but thats not why 03:46:47 its merely entailed 03:46:53 i mean, its part of why 03:46:56 but even without that 03:51:12 :o 03:51:17 hmm? 03:51:24 I dunno :P 03:51:29 ask questions about it! 03:54:49 Why am I wasting time by writing an Mandelbrot set generator in C? 03:54:57 Oh well. I guess I could count this as C practice. 03:54:57 inda 03:54:59 kinda* 03:54:59 copumpkin: its really simple and elegant underlyingly :) 03:55:35 I'm sure it is :P 03:55:48 :) 03:58:10 copumpkin: no questions? :( 03:58:47 sorry, doing other stuff too 03:58:52 o ok 04:01:01 myndzi: are all the words unique? 04:01:18 \o/ 04:01:33 obviously myndzi is dead 04:03:33 tes 04:03:37 *yes 04:03:51 but he's still online because \o/ still works 04:03:52 ¦ 04:03:52 ´¸¨ 04:03:58 wat 04:03:58 :| 04:04:01 \o/ 04:04:05 myndzi hates me :() 04:04:07 \o/ 04:04:08 try adding some leading spaces 04:04:12 \o/ 04:04:12 | 04:04:13 >\ 04:04:15 :| 04:04:16 >| 04:04:26 it's not that complicated 04:04:33 i will murder you, myndzi 04:05:04 myndzi: change your nick to "my" or "zi" or "dz" or something so people will stop complaining when it doesn't work :P 04:05:32 what 04:06:37 -!- pikhq has joined. 04:06:56 -!- pikhq_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 04:07:07 pikhq, apparently the OCW Multivariable calculus course includes stuff about matrices and determinants 04:07:34 Is this a major component of linear algebra? Is this course going to give me knowledge of linear algebra on the side? 04:08:03 there is a major overlap between calculus and lin alg 04:11:02 maybe people should just figure out that i can't put a foot in my nick 04:11:03 :P 04:11:04 That overlap is an example of the solid FAIL of mathematics education. 04:11:06 I wonder if I should do the later stuff in the earlier calculus 04:11:21 But, yeah, that's pretty normal. 04:11:47 I don't really know about Taylor series, about improper integrals, I don't remember more advanced integration stuff.. 04:12:06 And I deliberately pushed all introduction of trig where the original problem doesn't have trig out of my mind 04:12:17 You need trig. 04:12:47 I can do the derivatives and integrals of sine and cosine... 04:13:02 And derivative of tangent given a bit of time, since I haven't memorized it 04:13:16 Memorise trig identities. And when you're done with that, do it again. 04:13:32 sin/cos=tan 04:13:38 sin^2+cos^2=1 04:17:42 myndzi: what? foot in your nick? 04:17:43 i dont get it 04:20:05 pikhq: i don't consider it fail. i think calc 3 should have strong lin alg elements in it. you should know basic lin alg coming in and not have to be retaught it, but calculus techniques should be added to your lin alg arsenal 04:21:49 quintopia: I think linear algebra should be taught long before then. 04:22:13 pikhq: exactly. i just said the same thing. 04:22:41 No, you said "the status quo is just fine". 04:22:51 Which is the exact *opposite* of what I'm saying. 04:25:38 the status quo of math in general is not fine 04:25:53 but this particular part of the curriculum's organization makes sense to me 04:25:58 what would you change specifically 04:26:34 Teach linear algebra before, not after & during, calc 3. 04:27:07 And beat whoever thought that teaching vectors 4 or 5 seperate fucking times was a good idea. 04:27:08 ...which is how it is done now. i was asking what you wanted to change. 04:27:27 News to me! 04:27:47 something must be wrong with your school 04:28:06 Where do you reside? 04:28:13 atlanta 04:28:31 I can only conclude your school is less stupid than most. 04:30:37 here at gatech, lin alg is done during the first 1/3 of calc 2 (the last 2/3 are actual calculus topics) 04:30:50 oh 04:30:51 I just took a peek at the final exam 04:30:53 got that backwards 04:31:04 It states a trigonometric identity right there 04:31:07 At the top of the exam 04:31:09 the first 1/3 is single variable calc and the last 2/3 is lin alg 04:31:29 Congrats, GA Tech isn't quite as stupid as some other places. 04:31:30 http://i53.tinypic.com/hwd6is.png 04:31:34 http://i52.tinypic.com/b9dkzb.png 04:31:37 so taken as a series, calc I,II,III is svc, then lin alg, then MVC 04:31:40 This is the difference between abs and fabsf. 04:31:55 opps 04:32:06 In my experience, calc II has consisted of more single variable calculus, and calc III has been multivariable calculus. 04:32:20 And then comes linear algebra. 04:32:30 what school are you at 04:32:52 http://www.math.gatech.edu/course/math/1502 04:32:55 Currently, local community college, but this is the *third* fucking school I've been to. 04:33:44 calculus and then linear algebra? 04:33:45 :( 04:33:47 i didn't take calc I or calc II here though 04:33:52 I did calc I as an AP class, calc II at University of Colorado, and calc III at Missouri University of Science & Technology, and am now doing linear algebra at the community college. 04:34:05 incidentally, anyone familiar with voting system research? 04:34:10 (like, actual research) 04:34:14 pikhq: depends which country your in. in the US you would be right 04:34:19 variable: I'm in the US. 04:34:19 i took AP calc in high school to exempt calc I, then adv calc and lin alg as separate courses at a community college while in high school to exempt calc II 04:34:25 As is quintopia. 04:34:29 coppro: minimally I've read some studies but I don't know it well 04:34:38 coppro: i know the arrow thm 04:34:44 i don't know any modern stuff 04:35:01 coppro: Calc II is a hard prereq for linear algebra. 04:35:16 Which is basically "single-variable calculus we didn't teach you in calc I". 04:35:41 which...doesn't make any sense 04:36:01 how about they just squeeze that stuff into calc I and then teach a whole course on lin alg :P 04:36:43 quintopia: in the EU system they do that. EU Calc I is == US Calc I and Calc II; and EU calc II is == calc III + more 04:36:49 quintopia: arrow theorem? 04:37:00 coppro: basically: there is no perfect voting system 04:37:10 variable: oh yeah, that's not the exciting one 04:37:20 Random voting FTW? :P 04:37:28 pikhq: what we have at UW is calc 1, 2, and 3, with 3 being multivariate 04:37:31 or more accurately: one can't convert a ranked order of preferences into a group pref 04:37:37 coppro: Likewise. 04:37:45 algebra is given in Algebra, Lin Alg I, Lin Alg II 04:37:47 it's a spearate stream 04:38:00 variable: rather, there is no system where more than 2 candidates can be voted on that satisfies 3 specific "fairness" principles. there can still be a "perfect" system if you redefine "fair" 04:38:17 Algebra is a singular course that is basically 'learn to proof' 04:38:27 linear algebra teaches, unsurprisingly, linear algebra 04:38:27 Single linear algebra course, a presumption you're familiar with elementary algebra, and that's about it on the algebra front unless you're seeking a math degree. 04:38:30 quintopia: yes. I wasn't giving a precise definition 04:38:36 pikhq: oh yeah, this is math faculty 04:38:42 dunno what other faculties do 04:38:57 rank preferences are kind of a shitty way to vote anyway 04:39:08 At which point you, of course, actually have all the fun stuff in the cirriculum. :) 04:39:17 Curriculum, even. 04:39:43 aka 04:39:46 (there's also calculus 4 and 5 for amath) 04:39:47 discrete math <3 04:39:51 pikhq: who? 04:39:55 students or me in particular? 04:40:05 dmath > amath 04:40:13 22:24 < pikhq> Single linear algebra course, a presumption you're familiar with elementary algebra, and that's about it on the algebra front unless you're seeking a math degree. 04:40:16 Following that. 04:40:50 quintopia: fair for the arrow thm is basically if all people like A > B then A will be chosen, no person has more power than another, and something about changing votes 04:40:52 coppro: Calc 4 and 5? What's in those? 04:41:07 pikhq: typically formal proofs of Calc 1 and Calc 2 04:41:43 gnight all! 04:41:47 variable: night 04:41:59 4 is Vector integral calculus-line integrals, surface integrals and vector fields, Green's theorem, the Divergence theorem, and Stokes' theorem. Applications include conservation laws, fluid flow and electromagnetic fields. An introduction to Fourier analysis. Fourier series and the Fourier transform. Parseval's formula. Frequency analysis of signals. Discrete and continuous spectra. 04:42:20 Aaah. 04:42:26 5 is actually an informal name; I can't remember which course it actually is at the moment 04:43:08 oh, I think it's partial DEs 1 or something like that 04:43:22 (and yes, there is a partial DEs 2 04:43:45 coppro: Damn you people and your genuinely good education. 04:43:46 i never took diffeq >.> 04:43:55 pikhq: you should come to UW! 04:43:58 i took the required calc stuff and moved on the discrete stuff as fast as possible 04:44:28 guess what? i've never had cause to solve an ODE since then! 04:44:36 that's for engineers to do, i suppose 04:44:37 coppro: Cash is, no doubt, a limiting factor. 04:45:53 Not to mention my current GPA making going to a high-quality school nigh-impossible. Damned past me doing stupid shit. 04:45:59 pikhq: very true, unfortunately. UW does have a program by which they'll waive fees if they're convinced you're giving them everything you can, but I'm not familiar with it 04:46:02 Ooh :( 04:48:02 GPA's a much harder point 04:48:18 and I don't really understand how they determine transfer admissions 04:48:51 Yup, cost would be insanely prohibitive for me as an international student. 04:50:50 as I said, they do have a "you're doing your best, we will bite the bullet to let you learn" program, which you might be able to get 04:51:04 but I know little about it 04:54:48 Hmm, seems that I'd actually be able to transfer in, but financing is... Not fucking happening at all. 04:55:16 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:55:28 -!- augur has joined. 05:01:50 pikhq: again, they do have that financing option; no clue if it's reasonable and life would probably suck 05:02:04 it doesn't seem well-advertised on the website, but it's probably not the sort of thing you want to advertise 05:03:22 If I were Canadian, I would have already been going there, though. 05:04:03 it pains me to see someone not able to get a good education because of $$$ 05:04:08 I'd help you out if I had the money 05:04:42 Blame the US post-secondary education. 05:05:06 Your international tuition rates are comparable to domestic tuition rates at some schools. 05:05:14 yeah, I know, it's crazy 05:05:35 I remember talking to a guy /from Pennsylvania/ for whom it was cheaper to go to McGill than Penn State 05:05:44 I believe it. 05:08:19 hah, epic 05:08:31 ? 05:08:43 we have a magic rules help channel on EFNet with a bot that prints card text 05:08:57 a guy joined and called up two card texts; me an another judge both answered his question before he asked it 05:09:20 Hah. 05:09:24 Which two cards? 05:10:02 hero of bladehold and gideon 05:11:52 Obvious question is obvious. 05:13:28 yeah 05:13:29 I don't get it 05:15:12 lol 05:15:21 i've done similar things with scripting 05:15:27 i don't know any magic cards these days 05:15:33 I know vaguely the rules of MtG, but none of the cards 05:15:36 i used to run a bot for some mtg channel that did scramble text 05:15:37 Except lands, of course 05:15:47 Um, the basic lands, I mean 05:15:47 there were like 5800 cards or something at the time(?) 05:15:52 and that was like a decade ago 05:16:00 5800 that doesn't sound right 05:16:25 but i don't know where the script is now 05:18:12 i guess that might be correct after all 05:18:16 google says there's like 15k now 05:18:19 jesus 05:18:49 What was the card text an question>' 05:20:00 http://images.google.com/images?q=hero%20of%20bladehold&hl=en&biw=1236&bih=599 05:20:08 http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&biw=1236&bih=599&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=gideon+magic&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= 05:21:32 but i don't actually know what that shit is on the planeswalker card 05:22:00 It starts with 6 .. I don't remember the term 05:22:21 Then add +2 or -2 or 0 for the relevent ability, I think 05:22:24 I have seen it before 05:22:30 But my memory may be bad 05:22:38 loyalty 05:22:50 iirc 05:22:52 so you can just increase it indefinitely? 05:23:00 goes away if 0? 05:23:02 what is this 05:23:07 also there's some other new card type, 'tribal'? 05:23:07 loyalty 05:23:09 silly magic 05:23:13 myndzi: oh yeah, tribal 05:23:14 it's become such a money grab 05:23:15 hehehe 05:23:16 used to be a good game 05:23:22 it is still a good game 05:23:27 better game, I'd argue 05:23:28 now it just reinvents itself with trilogies over and over to make people spend money 05:23:44 this is true, but that's part of the fun; it changes 05:23:53 perhaps, but it's too greedy for my taste 05:24:04 drafting is really popular 05:24:07 i don't suppose they could maintain the community they have without doing something like that though i guess 05:24:14 at least not in the same way 05:24:23 but i'd prefer a self contained game really 05:24:27 you just have to ... stop, at some point 05:24:32 make a new game instead or something, i dunon 05:24:59 earlier tonight i figured out most of how to make mafia a two player card game 05:25:14 sounds like a dvorak project perhaps ;p 05:25:26 i don't think i've ever played mafia though 05:25:36 which is a bit funny since it seems popular on the internet 05:27:01 i've never played it on the internet 05:27:09 but it's a great game in real life 05:51:03 -!- oerjan has joined. 05:51:40 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 05:51:57 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -b *!*optbot@208.78.103.*. 05:52:07 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 05:52:50 -!- oerjan has quit (Client Quit). 05:53:58 -!- asiekierka has joined. 05:59:43 -!- oerjan has joined. 06:15:28 lambdabot: boo! 06:15:34 what 06:15:34 oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 06:16:06 @tell oerjan i was wrong about the 2 2-cycles 3 4-cycles one :x 06:16:10 *MWAHAHAHA* 06:20:44 -!- lambdabot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 06:22:46 well then 2 2-cycles + n 4-cycles should be in general 06:22:49 -!- asiekierka has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 06:27:46 -!- cheater99 has joined. 06:28:19 -!- cheater00 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 06:34:45 -!- sftp has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:54:42 " dmath > amath" <<< ! 06:59:18 quintopia: is discrete math considered math where you do your stuff? :) 07:00:05 don't ask me these questions when i'm trying to pretend to be asleep 07:00:10 we get a lot of students from france but they are all from the cs dep because the math dep just does analysis and we don't have that much of that 07:00:36 their math dep just does analysis i mean 07:02:20 they have it all backwards there 07:06:35 upside down land 07:06:37 -> 07:35:24 what's up oklo 07:37:44 -!- Zuu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:41:52 -!- Zuu has joined. 07:59:59 -!- clog has quit (ended). 08:00:00 -!- clog has joined. 08:47:56 oklopol: haha 09:03:33 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 09:35:46 -!- Gregor has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 09:36:49 -!- EgoBot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 09:37:27 -!- EgoBot has joined. 09:37:31 -!- Gregor has joined. 09:37:57 -!- Gregor has changed nick to Guest945. 10:14:06 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 10:23:37 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Quit: hagb4rd). 10:30:46 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 10:32:05 -!- cheater99 has joined. 10:49:56 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 12:12:41 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:16:13 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 12:16:13 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 12:16:13 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 12:18:36 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:41:10 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:41:21 -!- pikhq has joined. 12:42:05 -!- cheater00 has joined. 12:43:25 -!- lifthras1ir has joined. 12:43:48 -!- lifthrasiir has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:44:20 -!- cheater99 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:48:25 -!- Guest945 has changed nick to Gregor. 12:58:12 -!- augur has joined. 12:59:21 @tell oerjan i'll have to generate more to confirm your predictions up to some level of accuracy 13:01:29 damnit lambdabot :| 13:05:15 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:05:41 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:22:51 -!- rodgort has quit (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)). 13:23:13 -!- rodgort has joined. 13:28:22 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:31:30 -!- augur has joined. 13:39:42 -!- sftp has joined. 13:47:25 -!- FireFly has joined. 14:04:30 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 14:06:05 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:07:23 -!- poiuy_qwert has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep). 14:31:52 -!- copumpkin has joined. 14:32:43 -!- BeholdMyGlory has joined. 14:34:54 -!- ais523 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:36:42 -!- ais523 has joined. 15:26:45 -!- asiekierka has joined. 15:37:16 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 15:38:46 -!- lambdabot has joined. 15:42:17 can there be two programs A and B where A is a plugin for B, but B is a plugin for A (depending on the situation)? what is an actual use case for this? 15:43:32 Depends on your definition of "plugin". If piping data to each other is considered to be a "plugin", then practically every application in the standard Unix toolchest fits that description. 15:43:36 cheater00: Word and Excel ever since Windows 3.1 15:43:46 so you can embed Word documents into Excel documents, and vice versa 15:44:05 That's a less-ambiguously-plugin example, innit X-P 15:44:07 IMO, the concept's of dubious utility 15:44:14 ais523: aha 15:45:05 Gregor: basically, X is a plugin of Y if X registers for callbacks in Y and executes them, later passing control back to Y right after the callbacks are executed. 16:02:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:02:54 Still no sign of elliott growing up, I see. 16:11:07 Phantom_Hoover, what happened? 16:11:29 You are the last person I am going to discuss this with. 16:11:35 I thought I had you on ignore... 16:11:47 I see. 16:11:57 There, fixed it. 16:12:07 It mustn't have been persistent. 16:13:26 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:13:34 You people are so... lively, I think is the word. 16:19:15 Possibly not the right word. 16:20:14 Well, it's *a* word. 16:27:43 So's "circumspect". 16:32:09 -!- ais523 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:34:09 APNIC down 0.03: 2x1k to Nepal, 1k to Hong Kong, 3x64k+3x32k to China, 2k to Fiji, 128k to Taiwan, 512+256 to India, /48 to Australia 16:43:22 http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/faked-data-unsubstantiated-claims-and-spirituality-add-up-to-a-math-journal-retraction/ 16:43:25 Retractions. 16:43:31 In a mathematics journal. 16:43:34 YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG 16:45:01 -!- augur has joined. 16:53:31 Vorpal: I made an antioptbot that reverted all of optbot's topic changes, then somebody made an antiantioptbot and oerjan banned it. elliott got all bitchy then modified optbot to change its nick randomly before changing the /topic, then oerjan banned both optbot and antioptbot (the latter being totally useless without optbot anyway). elliott left in a huff, taking Herobrine with him. 17:06:40 elliott can't stand the situation when the whole world isn't spinning around him. 17:07:20