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00:26:11 <Vorpal> <ais523> #feather-lang <ais523> heh, Vorpal's still there, as well <-- of course
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01:02:26 <Lymia> pikhq, and there's a chance Microsoft wouldn't be suing alone?
01:16:42 <pikhq> Lymia: It'd be easy to make it a class action.
01:27:31 <Gregor> Wow, the other guy on the ld-linux.so auction actually bid :P
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01:41:11 <oerjan> quite.so
01:42:15 <Sgeo> Gregor, bidding started?
01:42:19 <Sgeo> How's libc.so doing?
01:42:26 <Gregor> libc.so's auction has not started.
01:42:58 <oerjan> Gregor: so have you managed to get any of them yet?
01:43:11 <Gregor> None of the auctions have ended either.
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02:28:19 <Lymia> Gregor, you troll.
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02:45:42 <zzo38> I have implemented in TeX, the Zeller's Card method for day of week. Now I will implement the date for Easter, as well.
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02:47:03 <Gregor> Lymia: ...?
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02:51:56 <lament> is j-invariant vixey?
02:52:11 <zzo38> 23. Ge4 pass!!
02:52:24 <oerjan> lament: i don't know who vixey is
02:52:31 <zzo38> lament: I don't know?
02:52:43 <lament> oerjan: misspiggy is another nick
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02:53:08 <oerjan> hm i think misspiggy is one of j-invariant's nicks, yes
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02:54:30 <Lymia> http://bash.org/?577451
02:54:31 <oerjan> of those nicks, only j-invariant is currently registered
02:54:42 <oerjan> (and online)
02:54:53 <lament> yeah
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02:57:28 <Sgeo> I thought MissPiggy == fax?
02:57:54 <oerjan> that too.
02:58:13 <lament> she uses a lot of nicks
02:58:21 <lament> mostly for ban evasion reasons, i think
02:58:53 <oerjan> well he ran away from here recently just for being revealed...
02:59:10 <lament> ahh
02:59:32 <lament> she's definitely a girl
02:59:44 <oerjan> hm
03:00:28 <oerjan> iirc it's much more complicated than that
03:00:56 <lament> isn't it always.
03:00:59 <lament> (no)
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03:04:41 <oerjan> i vaguely recall someone said she exploded from being called a girl, once.
03:07:33 <Gregor> Maybe that's not because she's a he, but because an adult female is a "woman" :P
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03:15:01 <variable> Gregor: I just found your color picking thing
03:15:03 <variable> tis cool
03:15:34 <Sgeo> <3 Vulture music
03:15:36 <Gregor> YES IT IS
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03:19:52 <augur> oerjan: "he"?
03:19:58 <augur> oh ok
03:20:00 <augur> well
03:20:09 <augur> it is much more complicated, in some boring fashion, or something
03:20:30 <oerjan> mhm
03:20:36 <Sgeo> My childhood memories!
03:20:44 <Sgeo> Vulture Hack
03:20:48 <augur> culture vulture
03:20:52 <Sgeo> 's music is butchering my memories!
03:21:54 <Sgeo> And VLC is butchering its predictions of how long music lasts
03:22:20 <Sgeo> instruments.xm
03:22:22 <Sgeo> What is that?
03:22:49 <Sgeo> Something that tells some.. thingy what each instrument should sound like? Like a soundfont?
03:26:42 <Gregor> Old data is back in glogbot btw
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03:28:43 * Sgeo has a question about copyright
03:29:11 <Gregor> It's evil, don't do it.
03:29:25 <Sgeo> If someone takes a game under the NetHack GPL and adds music to it, will that music also be under the NetHack GPL?
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03:29:50 <Sgeo> "cause the whole of any work that you distribute or publish, that in
03:29:50 <Sgeo> whole or in part contains or is a derivative of NetHack or any part
03:29:50 <Sgeo> thereof, to be licensed at no charge to all third parties on terms
03:29:50 <Sgeo> identical to those contained in this License Agreement (except that you
03:29:50 <Sgeo> may choose to grant more extensive warranty protection to some or all
03:29:50 <Sgeo> third parties, at your option)"
03:30:07 <Sgeo> That looks like a yes. I think
03:30:19 <Gregor> There attempts to explain the GPL do not actually change the effect of the GPL.
03:30:26 <Gregor> Including music is mere aggregation, and so not covered.
03:31:03 <Sgeo> NetHack GPL, not GNU GPL
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03:32:13 <Gregor> Oh, well I don't know the NetHack GPL :P
03:32:24 <Sgeo> http://www.nethack.org/common/license.html
03:32:35 <Gregor> tunes: 14:24:49 <Gregor> OK, /now/ it shouldn't be so screwy :P
03:32:36 <Gregor> glogbot: 22:13:25: <Gregor> OK, /now/ it shouldn't be so screwy :P
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03:34:32 <Sgeo> http://falconseye.sourceforge.net/
03:34:43 <Sgeo> Falcon's Eye is also distributed under the NetHack GPL
03:35:10 <Sgeo> The music in Vulture's Eye are all derivative works of the falcon's Eye music
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03:50:29 <Sgeo> instruments.xm is actually playable
03:50:44 <Sgeo> It sounds like a ... hollow wood instrument, followed by lots of silence
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03:55:35 <Sgeo> Seeking to anywhere else causes the tone to play again
03:55:39 <Sgeo> Then more silence
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05:14:26 <zzo38> Interwoven alignment preambles are not allowed O NO
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05:58:39 <zzo38> How many fortnights are there in a square kilogram?
06:00:51 <lament> 2
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07:34:04 <zzo38> Now I can include not only the Julian and Gregorian calendar, but also the Discordian calendar.
07:34:20 <Zwaarddijk> hm
07:34:42 <Zwaarddijk> how's that work?
07:35:12 <Zwaarddijk> ah boring
07:36:32 <zzo38> Discordian calendar is a 5 of 73 calendar.
07:37:02 <Zwaarddijk> yeah I found it
07:37:06 <Zwaarddijk> not v. interesting
07:37:16 <Zwaarddijk> could at the very least have the leap years out of phase
07:39:09 <zzo38> You can find on Wikipedia, various calendar including the one with the leap years out of phase.
07:42:09 <Zwaarddijk> obviously.
07:42:25 <Zwaarddijk> the point I was making was: I'd've expected the discordians to have a funnier calendar than that
07:57:01 <zzo38> I am making calendar program in TeX, so if you have other idea, I can add them in, too.
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08:12:57 * pikhq finally freaking watched "The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya"
08:13:07 <pikhq> That was good, but *absurdly* long.
08:13:50 <pikhq> Seriously, I think the LotR films were shorter.
08:22:33 <zzo38> Do you like daylight saving time? I don't like.
08:23:15 <pikhq> I absolutely despise it.
08:31:05 <zzo38> What is the calculation for the phase of moon by dates?
08:51:01 <Ilari> Oh, yeah, DST BS (Soon here).
08:53:39 <zzo38> In my area is currently DST. I do not like DST system.
08:54:45 <zzo38> I got the program to work for calculating date for Easter Sunday.
08:56:01 <Ilari> And then there's the automated DST logic. Messes things up if it has the wrong date. And sometimes messes things up even if it has... Making system clock observe DST is absolutely retarded and asking for trouble.
08:57:43 <Ilari> I had to force system timzone to UTC in order to make it keep system clock sane. And then force user account timezone to correct value.
08:58:05 <Ilari> Otherwise DST transition just plain messes up things.
09:01:39 <Ilari> And who thought DST was a good idea? Especially in the present situation? :-/
09:13:03 <zzo38> I don't know who made up DST. I also think it is bad idea, but some people I know like it, even if I tell them I don't like it and think it should be abolished.
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09:47:52 <Vorpal> hm I need ais523 or elliott now...
09:48:05 <Vorpal> hm who else might know...
09:48:07 <Vorpal> fizzie, there?
09:48:22 <zzo38> Need to know... what?
09:48:30 <Vorpal> zzo38, advice on memtest results.
09:48:38 <fizzie> Sort of here, but pretty busy.
09:49:43 <Vorpal> fizzie, well quick question: new HP laptop (setting it up for my dad who bought it). Ran memtest the night before yesterday, found a single error. Been running memtest since then, no more errors. Something like 50 passes so far...
09:50:01 <Vorpal> fizzie, what to do: call HP support and complain or assume it was a random cosmic ray?
09:50:30 <zzo38> Call HP support and ask them if they know anything about random cosmic rays.
09:50:52 <Vorpal> I don't think that is very sensible... At least not when stated like that
09:51:20 <fizzie> It could have been a random bit-flip, I guess: I mean, there must be a reason they sell ECC memory.
09:51:56 <Vorpal> fizzie, yes indeed. It wrote 1010101... pattern but read out all zeros according to the message memtest gave me.
09:52:16 <Vorpal> which seems somewhat non-random somehow
09:52:22 <fizzie> Hm, that's perhaps curiouser.
09:52:23 <zzo38> In which cases was it plugged in? And what battery states? Are these things important sometimes?
09:52:42 <Vorpal> fizzie, yep.
09:58:34 <Vorpal> fizzie, actually it seems it was two errors. I misread the addresses as it being a 16 bit area that was affected but there is actually a gap between the two messages hm. Small gap (0x...618 and 0x...61c) but still.
10:00:17 <zzo38> Does it store the addresses and testing information in registers or in memory?
10:00:56 <Vorpal> don't know
10:00:59 <Vorpal> why?
10:01:32 <zzo38> I am just curious to know, that is alll.
10:01:45 <Vorpal> memtest86+ is open source I think, you could check it out
10:01:57 <zzo38> OK
10:03:09 <Vorpal> took a photo of the error earlier: http://sporksirc.net/~anmaster/tmp/memtest.jpg
10:06:21 <zzo38> They have computers at Free Geek which are only used for RAM testing (using memtest86+), and they share a single keyboard and monitor. For that purpose, I would have it a bit different. Put the memory testing program in ROM and have it use registers for status information, displaying status on a POST code or a LED connected to the PC speaker or something like that
10:07:39 <Vorpal> probably but rom is unpractical. And expensive
10:08:00 <Vorpal> cheaper to use NOR flash probably
10:08:22 <Vorpal> or EPROM if they still make those
10:09:04 <Vorpal> need to support execute in place of course
10:10:51 <zzo38> Yes, it does not have to be actual ROM, it could be NOR or EPROM or whatever.
10:12:23 <Vorpal> wait a second... does that screenshot indicate ECC?
10:12:39 <Vorpal> if so, that's even more confusing...
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12:39:42 <Ilari> Vorpal: As far as I can see, nope, ECC doesn't seem to be enabled.
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12:49:47 <Vorpal> Ilari, hm right
12:50:13 <Vorpal> Ilari, it was that line about "ECC : Detect / Correct" that made me wonder
12:50:36 <Vorpal> or maybe that just means the chipset supports ECC
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13:30:25 <Gregor> Not having Internet access at home: pretty great.
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14:44:44 <Vorpal> Gregor, ouch
14:44:46 <Vorpal> Gregor, why?
14:45:21 <Gregor> Because my ISP is made of fail?
14:45:31 <Vorpal> Gregor, so any ETA on the issues?
14:45:44 <Gregor> Of course not.
14:45:46 <Gregor> Made of /fail/
14:45:58 <Vorpal> Gregor, also hm, I know the US phone market is weird, so this might not be a viable option over there... But couldn't you do tethering for now?
14:46:48 <Gregor> Yes, but that does not give me 100% uptime of my home computer since my phone does not stay at home.
14:47:43 <Vorpal> Gregor, true
14:58:59 <Gregor> glogbot's rsyncd is now active.
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15:19:36 <ais523> haha, Duke Nukem Forever was just delayed again
15:20:26 <Vorpal> ais523, wait what, wasn't it abandoned officially some time ago I thought?
15:20:32 <fizzie> Just one more month or so: does that even count any more?
15:20:47 <ais523> Vorpal: it was, but someone else bought the rights to it and decided to finish it
15:20:57 <ais523> fizzie: well, it's still amusing
15:21:09 <ais523> for some reason, when it was finally given a release date, I assumed it'd stick to that release date
15:21:24 <Vorpal> ais523, the name is haunted
15:21:32 <ais523> *codebase?
15:21:36 <Vorpal> ais523, no the name
15:21:41 <Vorpal> it will take forever. As it says
15:21:46 <ais523> the reason it was taking so long was because it was repeatedly ported from engine to engine
15:21:48 <Gregor> ais523: I'm going to make a bold Scapegoat statement: Calculating the tip is not useful.
15:22:13 <ais523> Gregor: I think it depends on how you define a repository
15:22:20 <ais523> it clearly isn't useful if you're purely whitelisting
15:22:34 <ais523> except if someone else wants to pull from your repository, and yours currently contains a conflict
15:24:56 <ais523> also, wow, I deleted a page on Esolang that wasn't spambot-created
15:25:06 <ais523> (it was created at the wrong title by its author, and then recreated at a different location)
15:25:16 <fizzie> Anyway, 3D Realms (who were developing it) did fire the development team, and got sued (and settled out of court) by Take-Two, who owned the publishing rights, for not managing to deliver them a game.
15:31:50 <fizzie> They did make a rather amusing and non-serious video about the latest delay, though, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VFFR-5a-Ko
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15:46:42 <Ilari> APNIC down 0.01: 4k+2k to Australia, 4k+1k+/32 to Japan, 1k+2x/32 to Malaysia, 32k to Thailand, 64k to China, 64k+/32 to India.
15:46:54 <Ilari> ... Slow week apparently.
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17:23:15 <Ilari> Picking some semi-random assumptions I get April 18th for APNIC depletion date. Of course, that estimate assumes some questionable assumptions.
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17:33:43 <Gregor> How questionable? :P
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19:29:41 <Phantom__Hoover> [[Alex Smith, an electrical and computer engineering undergraduate, first heard about the prize in an internet chatroom earlier this year.]]
19:29:47 <Phantom__Hoover> I'm assuming that was here?
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19:37:59 <Gregor> Quite possibly X-D
19:43:43 <pikhq_> Duke Nukem Forever delayed again. XD
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20:43:03 <Phantom__Hoover> Hmm, apparently there have been sexual harassment cases in which the defendant escaped a harassment verdict by harassing both males and females.
20:45:29 <pikhq_> How bizarre.
20:45:49 <pikhq_> I know of no reason to believe that the harasser isn't bisexual.
20:46:00 <pikhq_> Or even asexual and just likes making people uncomfortable. Sexually.
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21:14:53 <Gregor> Or straight or gay and just likes making people sexually uncomfortable.
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21:21:42 <pikhq_> Of course.
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21:49:19 <Phantom__Hoover> <pikhq_> Duke Nukem Forever delayed again. XD ← DUKE NEVER COMES EARLY
21:54:31 <Gregor> Having Internet at home again: So much better than the alternative.
21:57:21 <Slereah> THAT'S THE JOKE
21:58:35 <Phantom__Hoover> Gregor, which is...?
22:00:16 <Gregor> Phantom__Hoover: ... not having Internet at home. Duh.
22:00:28 <Phantom__Hoover> I CANNOT CONCEIVE OF THIS
22:00:49 <Phantom__Hoover> Dammit, I need some books to read.
22:03:01 <pikhq_> Wisdom teeth hurt. :(
22:03:13 <Phantom__Hoover> Mine haven't yet.
22:03:56 <Phantom__Hoover> OTOH I'm only 16, so there's plenty of time for them to exact their revenge.
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22:05:54 <Phantom__Hoover> cpressey!
22:06:15 <Phantom__Hoover> Is it bad that I knew it was you the moment I saw "Illinois" in your hostname/
22:07:11 <cpressey> As long as you pronounce it "ill-a-noise" in your head, everything's fine.
22:09:11 <Phantom__Hoover> I used to think it was "illowwanis" for some reason, but then Barack Obama ran for president.
22:10:11 <cpressey> Phantom__Hoover: so what's with the "dunder"?
22:10:23 <Phantom__Hoover> Dunder?
22:10:37 <cpressey> Oh, I'm so evil. I said that just to make you say that.
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22:10:46 <Phantom__Hoover> -_-
22:10:58 <cpressey> "Dunder" is slang for "double underscore" in... certain communities which shall go unnamed.
22:11:11 <cpressey> Who use double underscores a lot.
22:11:16 <cpressey> There's one in your name.
22:11:20 <cpressey> Today.
22:11:43 <Phantom__Hoover> Oh, that's just my "ONOEZ I'M ALREADY CONNECTED" nick.
22:11:52 <Phantom__Hoover> I got bored with Phantom_Hoover_.
22:11:59 <cpressey> I see.
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22:12:28 <Phantom_Hoover> UD gives "dunder" as "dirty underwear", but that's neither here nor there.
22:12:39 <cpressey> Righteous.
22:13:43 <cpressey> So, there should be 3 new languages in the next release of yoob, if I ever find the time: brainfuck, Befunge-93 and Ypsilax.
22:14:31 <cpressey> I mean, they're all basically implemented -- if I can ever find the time to actually release them.
22:15:15 <cpressey> Little stuff like letting you enter an ASCII NUL so you can convince brainfuck that input is at EOF.
22:26:00 <cpressey> I like how "beg the question" has been completely diluted as an idiom. Every time I've seen it used recently, it's just been another way of saying "raises the question".
22:26:19 <Phantom_Hoover> Yeah, damn people, using the meaning that makes sense.
22:27:31 <cpressey> *raise
22:28:16 <cpressey> And yeah, occurences of "begging the question" with its old-school meaning are pretty rare.
22:28:31 <cpressey> I mean, of things where it makes sense to describe them that way
22:28:51 <Phantom_Hoover> Begging the question in the old-school way is effectively just asking a leading question, isn't it?
22:30:27 <cpressey> In debating, "begging the question" refers to a chain of reasoning based on the assumption (possibly hidden) that the conclusion is true to begin with.
22:32:03 <cpressey> Oh, I see Wikipedia agrees with me on that, good.
22:35:12 <cpressey> Although perhaps I misspoke about it being rare. I don't know, I think blatant circular reasoning you don't see often, but maybe there's more subtly circular argument out there than I'm acknowledging, I dunno.
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22:38:35 <pikhq_> cpressey: Perhaps you only pay attention to rational discourse.
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22:40:25 <cpressey> I do tend to have a hard time maintaining attention on what people are saying when it's clearly garbage, and there does seem to be an awful lot of that out there, yes.
22:40:28 <cpressey> night Phantom_Hoover
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22:57:09 <zzo38> There is the ASCII phase of moon, it has "GREENCHEESE" on it. gopher://gopher4.intercal.org.uk:70/0moon
22:59:47 <cpressey> TIL Gnome Terminal does not allow you to navigate to gopher:// URLs by right-clicking on them.
23:00:03 <cpressey> That's some impressive GREENCHEESE though.
23:00:06 <cpressey> Later all.
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23:15:16 <Gregor> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2011-03-24/ <-- hey guys, remember how Dilbert is far funnier and overall more tolerable than XKCD?
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23:21:16 <zzo38> Now you can type \First\Tue\Feb and \Jan30 \AfterOn\Sat and stuff like that.
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23:55:21 <zzo38> Is the calculation of Easter a part of Canadian law?
23:55:59 <oerjan> i'd imagine canada does it in the standard way for western christianity...
23:56:48 <zzo38> oerjan: It is on the same day that is Western Christianity, but that is not what I am asking.
23:58:07 <Slereah> http://img.lulz.net/src/2.jpg
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23:58:51 <oerjan> that's his hand blowing up, i assume
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